A headache container for everyone without exception

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A headache container for everyone without exception

When the INF Treaty had not yet sunk into oblivion history, once, together with my colleague Staver, we almost seriously discussed a container with winged launchers missiles "Caliber" on a fire pontoon in the middle of Lake Peipus. At the time it looked pretty funny, but not without some justification, since cruise missiles from that lake easily shot across all of Europe.

Today, this does not look like a claim to humor, because the container is… being inhabited. The first to do this were the fighters of the Donbass people's militia, who placed automatic mortars "Vasilek" in the metal bodies of trucks, the baton was picked up by the Iranians, who created launch ramps for "Shaheds", then there was the famous operation "Web" performed by Ukrainian forces, who placed Drones in trailers of long-haul trucks.



And now Türkiye is turning shipping containers into launchers for the covert transportation of missiles.


Ordinary on the outside and extraordinary on the inside, the container is designed to transport and (naturally) launch six Kara Atmaca missiles, each capable of reaching targets over 200 km away.

What is this product?



Kara Atmaca or "Black Hawk" in translation is one of the latest creations of the Turkish concern Roketsan. It was developed since 2012 and was adopted into service in 2021.

This is a pretty good missile, with low radar signature, resistant to electronic countermeasures and can be used in any weather conditions.

According to the manufacturer, Roketsan, the missile operator can change the coordinates of the designated target after launch or cancel the mission altogether using the existing data link. The missile moves at extremely low altitudes relative to the water surface, making it a difficult target to intercept.

For guidance, in addition to the communication channel with the operator, it is equipped with an inertial navigation system and a GPS module.

Characteristics of the sea-based missile: length - 4,8 meters, weight - 750 kg, range - 250 km, warhead weight - 220 kg. The land-based missile has other capabilities: length - 5,2 meters, weight - 890 kg, range - 400 km, warhead weight - 250 kg. The missile is subsonic, maximum speed - 0,8-0,9 Mach.


In general, as you can see, there is nothing innovative or breakthrough, just a regular "average" weapon, like, in principle, all types of weapons developed in Turkey. The only thing that distinguishes it from many analogues is the size, which really allows the missiles to be placed in a standard container.

Now Türkiye has unveiled a new weapons system that can launch missiles from conventional shipping containers, offering a mobile and easily concealable strike platform that can be used on land or at sea.

The system, developed by Turkish defence firm Rocketsan, was unveiled at the IDEF 2025 defence exhibition in Istanbul.

Basically, nothing new. Why – will become clear at the end of the article, but it is true.

The launcher fits inside a standard 20- or 40-foot container, making it visually indistinguishable from commercial cargo. You can place a container with missiles and a crew of operators on almost any commercial vessel, and the container will look like civilian cargo, no different from dozens of other containers up to a certain point.

Considering how many ships are in classic “hot spots” like the Red Sea or the Persian Gulf, a small coastal vessel with a couple dozen containers, one of which (or more than one) will be “filled,” can easily get lost there.


And at the right moment, as in Operation Spider Web, the false walls will fall and a salvo will be fired at an unsuspecting ship at point-blank range (25-50 km) over sea distances.

Those who are not sure about the effectiveness – go to history, there was such an overconfident crew of the cruiser "Sydney". It is worth remembering how its meeting with a certain "Kormoran" ended. An attack at a minimum distance can negate all the capabilities of modern defense systems.

Such platforms provide a certain flexibility of logistics and operations. The containers can be transported by truck, train or ship without attracting attention and are especially valuable for coastal defense in the case of anti-ship missiles and strategic mobility and camouflage in the case of medium-range cruise missiles.

In general, weapon systems based on heavily camouflaged mobile platforms are not at all news. The best example from history is the nightmare of NATO generals, the Soviet BZhRK "Molodets". And today Russia could be in the leading roles, but alas, it did not work out again.


Today, military experts view containers as a new class of covert strike capabilities that could change the traditional rules of warfare.

Let's just look at the sea traffic map again.



See for yourself how easy it will be to find that very ship with missile containers on board in this flow. And literally a couple of such ships can do serious damage and paralyze traffic in a particular area.

The container is an ideal means of camouflage at sea. Simply because a huge number of ships carry containers. Accordingly, concealing launchers in commercial cargo containers provides several operational advantages.


They reduce the need for purpose-built missile carriers (destroyers, frigates, corvettes), expensive ships, and the use of conventional commercial vessels allows missile weapons to be unexpectedly deployed in remote areas without attracting attention.

Moreover, by placing missile containers on commercial vessels or coastal infrastructure (which would also not raise any suspicions, because what could be a more common sight in a port than a mountain of containers?), they could also be used to protect harbors or strategic waterways.

Another issue here is that target designation can be carried out from anywhere, from an airplane or helicopter to another ship located at a decent distance from the container.

The mobility and stealth of such a system are considered the main advantages. Since the containers can be easily moved by rail, road or sea transport, the missile launcher can be deployed quickly, without the need for specialized transport. Of course, a commercial truck is not comparable to a specialized multi-wheeled transporter in terms of cross-country ability, but it has a much higher speed. Then it is only a question of choosing a place for the position and nothing more.


This approach allows for flexible mission planning and makes it difficult for adversaries to predict or preemptively destroy deployed missiles. More precisely, it can make response simply impossible, as in the conflict in Donbass or the latest between Thailand and Cambodia, Grads fired from a stop right on the road. Preventing such strikes is not easy even today, with the development of UAVs.

Of course, disguising combat systems as civilian infrastructure will still generate a lot of controversy, since the question of the legality of their use is expected to arise. weapons from civilian vessels or commercial transport. Satellite and UAV surveillance in real time can provide some information to observers, but a truck on a highway along the coast is no reason to launch a missile at it. And even less so a commercial container ship on a busy route.

Lawyers will have to burn through many a tanker of ink, but Turkey is now quietly declaring its developments. Experts say the approach will indeed be useful for countries with long coastlines or those facing threats from the sea.

Well, if we are talking about “gray” zones, then such launchers can play a very, very significant role there.

Modern warfare is generally shifting toward unpredictability, improvisation, and rapid decision-making based on operationally available information. Today, when every move can be seen from orbit or by the cameras of dozens of hovering drones, the ability to hide in plain sight, whether on a pier, a cargo ship, or a freight yard, can be a critical asset for any country.

And the saddest thing is that we really could have been the first.


Around the time we were talking about a container with missiles in the middle of Lake Peipus (a little earlier than the moment when this thought occurred to us), exactly 15 years ago, at the MAKS-2011 exhibition, a new type of platform for launching cruise missiles was presented - a standard 20 and 40 foot container. And this container could accommodate from two to four Kalibr cruise missiles.


Unfortunately, for reasons that are not entirely clear, this method of deploying missiles was rejected by the Russian Ministry of Defense, and to this day, even in the fourth year of the SVO, they have not returned to it.

This in itself is not surprising, in 2011 there were many more "useful" projects, there was where to spend money. On the "Patriot" park, on funny games, on useless exhibitions. And the strikes are carried out on objects in Ukraine from a relatively safe distance, giving the enemy time to prepare.

Meanwhile, the enemy, as we have all observed, does not neglect such camouflage techniques at all. And strikes almost point-blank.

It is no wonder that the Turks have drawn the appropriate conclusions from the SVO. And now their Black Hawks, which, let us note, are not suitable for the Onyx underwings, may prove no less effective, because the Onyx will be launched from a much greater distance than the camouflaged Turkish Hawks.

Now many people in the world will have to think about it, but the fact is: it is not necessarily the strongest who wins, sometimes the one who has no special principles wins.
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  1. +13
    29 July 2025 03: 48
    Just imagine when such a container filled with missiles or UAVs appears somewhere near Irkutsk...what will happen to our strategic facilities then.
    Russia's borders in the southern direction are open and such gifts from enemies could very well leak through them. request
    Various threats are multiplying every day...from everywhere, at any moment in time...our country is today vulnerable to enemy attacks.
    That is the reality.
    1. 0
      29 July 2025 05: 31
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Various threats are multiplying every day...from everywhere, at any moment in time...our country is today vulnerable to enemy attacks.
      That is the reality.

      Who is to blame and what to do?
      1. +6
        29 July 2025 05: 31
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Who is to blame and what to do?

        I'll tell you straight... hi they will put him in jail.
        1. -1
          29 July 2025 05: 35
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          I'll tell you straight... they'll put me in jail.

          Well, at least, what to do?
          1. +4
            29 July 2025 05: 41
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Well, at least, what to do?

            If you act legally... in elections do not vote for people and parties that promote lawlessness of negativity... disseminate your point of view in all sources of information... when there are many like you... the authorities have to take into account the opinion of the masses. smile
            The process is not quick and requires a certain amount of patience.
            Of course, you can go down the revolutionary path...but this is always associated with bloodshed...which I don’t like. hi
            1. +17
              29 July 2025 06: 29
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              If you act legally... in elections do not vote for people and parties that promote

              Do you really think that there is a difference between United Russia, the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the bourgeois parliament? Apart from rhetoric? Or between Democrats and Republicans in the US Congress? Or... who is sitting in their Rada?
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              The authorities have to take into account the opinion of the masses.

              The authorities themselves shape the opinion of the masses, and quite successfully...
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Of course, you can take the revolutionary path...

              And for this, an organizing force is needed, like the Bolshevik Party. And there is no such force now. And there is none in sight! Bourgeois elections are a thimble-rig - you will end up a loser in any case...
              1. -6
                29 July 2025 08: 12
                Do you really think that there is a difference between United Russia, the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the bourgeois parliament? Apart from rhetoric?

                Do you know how to count votes?
                As long as the Communist Party of the Russian Federation can act within the law, the option of a peaceful social revolution cannot be ruled out.
                1. +18
                  29 July 2025 13: 03
                  Quote: October
                  As long as the Communist Party of the Russian Federation can act within the law, the option of a peaceful social revolution cannot be ruled out.

                  Does the current CPRF need it? They squandered their chance to act within the law 30 years ago, and now they are moving in the mainstream of a comfortable fight with the authorities. That is, they pretend to be active, not forgetting who feeds them.
                  1. -8
                    29 July 2025 13: 27
                    Does the current Communist Party of the Russian Federation need it?

                    And did you decide this for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation?
                    They squandered their chance to act within the law 30 years ago.

                    What was there 30 years ago is a big question.
                    That is, they depict vigorous activity, without forgetting who feeds them.

                    I would say that in comparison to them, this is what you are portraying, and only on this site.
                    Perhaps you have suggestions for new areas of work?
                    Speak up, you will be listened to with interest.
                    1. +9
                      29 July 2025 14: 22
                      Quote: October
                      And did you decide this for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation?

                      And what is it for me to decide - it is enough to look at the actions of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation after the elections of 1996. A cozy place of eternal opposition with gradual embourgeoisification.
                      Quote: October
                      I would say that in comparison to them, this is what you are portraying, and only on this site.

                      At least I don’t shoot moose and I don’t spend regional budgets on PR for the Communist Party. wink
                      1. 0
                        29 July 2025 14: 25
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        At least I don't shoot moose and I don't spend regional budgets on PR for the Communist Party.

                        About the moose - I really liked it good laughing
                      2. 0
                        29 July 2025 14: 29
                        And what is it for me to decide? It is enough to look at the actions of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation after the 1996 elections.

                        Your suggestions on how it should operate?
                        I asked you about them, but you kept quiet.
                        A cozy place of eternal opposition with gradual embourgeoisification.

                        So, are you in favor of abandoning legal methods of struggle?
                        At least I don’t shoot moose and I don’t spend regional budgets on PR for the Communist Party.

                        Well, yes and
                        The leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation faction in the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region, Ivan Apostolevsky, was detained at the Moscow railway station on the morning of July 29 by Center E officers.

                        No one is going to detain you either. What would that be for?
                      3. +2
                        29 July 2025 16: 36
                        The Communist Party of the Russian Federation can be forgotten as an opposition to the government. They are judged by their actions, not by slogans and inscriptions on fences. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is a left democratic party, of which there are many in the world, and is related to the Communist Party only in name. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation includes capitalists, bourgeoisie, convicted persons, etc. Yeltsin banned and liquidated the Communist Party, since then the Communists have been banned and officially do not exist. There is no opposition in the Russian Federation, the political field has been cleared so that not even a weed can grow on it.
                      4. -2
                        30 July 2025 13: 09
                        The decree of the EBN banning the Communist Party was cancelled by the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation after the democrats lost the court case against the communists (1992-1993). After that, the CPRF became a legal party and began to participate in domestic political life under its own name.

                        Can you remind me which party tried to initiate Yeltsin's impeachment? And who actually supported this party?
                        The communists were objectively weak. And the weakness was caused by the clearly insufficient support of those same "popular masses". For whom 100 types of sausage and beer turned out to be more valuable than some ideals.

                        No one really cleared the political field, there was no need. Paid demagogues like Navalny cannot be considered a real opposition.
                        Everyone is generally happy with everything. "Soft p..rno, hard video - life is so beautiful and amazing." The country has turned into a bourgeois swamp for the most part, in which the majority doesn't give a damn about anything... well, you get the idea.

                        All our bosses and leaders are to blame. And we ourselves are white and fluffy... fighters of the armchair troops.
                  2. 0
                    29 July 2025 17: 03
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    That is, they depict vigorous activity, without forgetting who feeds them.

                    A form of prostitution, however.
              2. 0
                29 July 2025 11: 00
                Moreover. So far, all workers in the country are disunited and do not see the general weak situation. It seems to them that the problems are due to migrants/neighbors/foolish deputies, etc.
                Most workers now do not understand that, having become poor, they are able to influence politics.
                1. +4
                  29 July 2025 13: 13
                  Quote: Mustachioed Kok
                  Most workers now do not understand that, having become poor, they are able to influence politics.

                  As a rule, no one unites on their own - an external unifying force is needed. Or to bring it to such a state when it becomes "nothing to lose but my chains" - then there will be a riot and leaders will appear from within. But the capitalist has also changed these days, he is savvy - brainwashing, advertising, marketing, a pretty wrapper... They will foist anything on you... Capitalism is not based on a handful of capitalists, but on the masses who dream of becoming capitalists. It's like in a scam - everyone buys tickets with their hard-earned money because they showed on TV that someone won a billion! laughing
                  1. -5
                    29 July 2025 13: 34
                    As a rule, no one unites on their own - an external unifying force is needed.

                    We need an organizing force, not an external unifying one. And right now the CPRF is the best option.
                    Or bring it to such a state when there will be “nothing to lose except your chains” - then there will be a riot and leaders will appear from within.

                    Rebellion will not lead to socialism. Just as its leaders without Marxism will not lead to anything other than capitalism.
                    But the capitalist these days is also different, savvy - brainwashing, advertising, marketing, pretty wrapping... They'll sell you anything...

                    But here we need propaganda of Marxism.
                    1. +4
                      29 July 2025 13: 50
                      Quote: October
                      We need an organizing force, not an external unifying one. And right now the CPRF is the best option.

                      The CPRF is a typical bourgeois party in a bourgeois parliament. In fact, they are Social Democrats, not communists!

                      Quote: October
                      Rebellion will not lead to socialism. Just as its leaders without Marxism will not lead to anything other than capitalism.

                      I agree. But I don't see any Marxist parties now? Who is against private ownership of the means of production?
                      1. -5
                        29 July 2025 14: 24
                        The CPRF is a typical bourgeois party in a bourgeois parliament. In fact, they are Social Democrats, not communists!

                        What are your reasons?
                        Who opposes private ownership of the means of production?

                        KPRF.
                      2. +1
                        29 July 2025 14: 54
                        Quote: October
                        What are your reasons?

                        And you read what Lenin writes about the possible (or rather impossible) representation of communists in the bourgeois parliament and participation in bourgeois elections...
                      3. 0
                        30 July 2025 07: 52
                        And you read what Lenin writes about the possible (or rather impossible) representation of communists in the bourgeois parliament and participation in bourgeois elections...

                        And you give his quote yourself.
                        For my part, I will say that Lenin always considered it NECESSARY to use all legal possibilities.
                        And the Bolsheviks had no dealings with those who voluntarily refused them.
                      4. 0
                        30 July 2025 15: 13
                        Quote: October
                        And you give his quote yourself.

                        And you haven’t read it and don’t know how to use the search?
                        There are a lot of such statements by Lenin! Here are a couple:
                        Only scoundrels or fools can think that the proletariat must first win a majority in elections held under the yoke of the bourgeoisie, under the yoke of wage slavery, and then must win power. This is the height of stupidity or hypocrisy, this is replacing class struggle and revolution with elections under the old system, under the old power.
                        PSS v.39 p.219
                        A bourgeois parliament, even the most democratic in the most democratic republic in which the property of the capitalists and their power are preserved, is a machine for the suppression of millions of workers by groups of exploiters.
                        PSS v.37, p.457
                        Next yourself.
                        I will add on my own behalf: 100 years ago it was still possible to put up with the evil of participating in a bourgeois parliament just for the sake of conducting Marxist propaganda - then the only tribune was parliament and newspapers. And now there is the Internet for the propaganda of Marxism, now there is no need to get into parliament - in our time, participation in the bourgeois Duma means support for the existing government. Now coming to the polling station and your signature in the journal means FULL support for the existing government in any form. And a boycott means a complete denial of bourgeois power.
                      5. +1
                        30 July 2025 21: 51
                        https://www.livelib.ru/book/123716/read-polnoe-sobranie-sochinenij-tom-20-noyabr-1910-noyabr-1911-vladimir-lenin/~74

                        not understanding the changed conditions of the party's activities after the repeal of the exceptional law against socialists (1878–1890), it denied the need to use legal forms of struggle,

                        Here Lenin writes about participation in elections, and the link speaks of those who refused legal forms.
                        Concerning
                        Only scoundrels or fools can think that the proletariat must first win a majority in elections carried out under the yoke of the bourgeoisie.

                        then let me remind you that we were talking about the time before 1917. Since then, there have been a number of countries where the revolution took place peacefully.
                        Moreover, at the Second Congress of Soviets convened on behalf of the First Congress of Soviets (June 1917), the Provisional Government was dismissed by a majority of votes of the Bolshevik Party (RSDPR(b)) and the Left Socialist Revolutionaries and a new one was elected – the Council of People's Commissars. At the congress, among the delegates, in addition to the Bolsheviks (390 people), there were 160 Socialist Revolutionaries, 72 Mensheviks, 14 United Internationalists, 6 Menshevik-Internationalists, 7 Ukrainian Socialists. And this moment can be considered the beginning of revolutionary transformations, it happened quite peacefully.
                      6. 0
                        24 August 2025 10: 26
                        Boycott means a complete denial of bourgeois power.

                        After the abolition of the turnout threshold, if you get at least 3 votes, the elections have already taken place...
                2. 0
                  30 July 2025 13: 12
                  Most workers have already mentally become petty bourgeois. They are not concerned with the revolutionary movement, but rather with how to renovate their car and improve their living conditions.
                  1. -1
                    25 August 2025 07: 32
                    Quote: Illanatol
                    Most workers have already mentally become petty bourgeois. They are not concerned with the revolutionary movement, but rather with how to renovate their car and improve their living conditions.

                    It's okay - the introduction of an 11-hour workday, unpaid overtime, working on weekends, further raising the retirement age... will bring them to their senses...
                    1. 0
                      25 August 2025 08: 13
                      This "medicine" has a strong side effect. A sharp decline in solvent demand, a decline in trade, then in industrial production (overstocking) and, ultimately, a large-scale economic crisis worse than the Great Depression.
                      Still, workers are the bulk of the population. If they are pushed down, forced to become classic proletarians again, then industry and the economy as a whole will roll back to the level of the 19th century. A bunch of rich people simply do not need such large-scale production for their own consumption.
                      The current economy in capitalist countries is largely a consumption economy. If there is no consumption, everything will collapse. It is not for nothing that modern economies are pumped with credits. Otherwise, it's a disaster.
                3. Egg
                  0
                  14 September 2025 19: 06
                  Quote: Mustachioed Kok
                  Most workers now do not understand that, having become poor, they are able to influence politics.

                  The majority and not only workers are entangled in chains of loans and mortgages, everyone is afraid to fart so as not to lose their job and the ability to pay interest, and you say to unite... but just stutter and you will fly out of work ahead of your squeal, and then from the apartment, car, children from the institute, since there will be nothing to pay with, etc. And the management has not been suckers for a long time, all the "trade unions" are the brainchild of the heads of enterprises and "their people" have been sitting there for a long time, well-fed.
                  1. 0
                    15 September 2025 13: 22
                    I agree that this discourages even the most concerned people from the idea of ​​showing an active civic position. But if this is 1-5% of the population, then the management really won't be able to fire/expel, etc.
                    But if 10-15% of the population, even once (for example, in the form of a national XNUMX-hour strike), show their position, then they will not be able to leave such a part of the population without work, it will hit their own income too hard. But to show such massive solidarity and gather all the workers of the country is almost impossible, certainly in the coming years.
            2. -1
              29 July 2025 08: 02
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              If you act legally...

              ...they'll still put you in jail!
            3. +1
              29 July 2025 12: 00
              Do you seriously believe that there is a direct connection between who the electorate votes for and who is declared the winner? I'm just personally not so sure about it.
              1. +2
                29 July 2025 20: 01
                Quote: realist
                is there a connection between who the electorate votes for and who is declared the winner? I'm just personally not a little sure about it.

                As soon as they talk about confidence, it immediately becomes clear that there is no knowledge or information, but there is someone who is trying to convince you (and through you and us) of something murky, for which there is no evidence. A point of view is formed in two ways - faith or knowledge... These ways are very different from each other. By the way, no one has yet been able to convincingly prove your uncertainty, although many are trying so hard...
                1. 0
                  30 July 2025 08: 37
                  I have knowledge. I saw what happened to the people who led the election process, and these are people close to me.
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2025 11: 15
                    Quote: realist
                    I have knowledge

                    First of all, you initially said
                    Quote: realist
                    I'm just personally not a little sure about it.

                    that is, about faith (confidence). Secondly, although you are talking about close people, you are not talking about yourself, and you still do not have any personal experience. And people always add their own subjective coloring to the information they transmit. Besides, what happened to these people? Were they fired, arrested, subjected to repression? For what exactly? I somehow participated in this process. True, as an observer. I underwent preliminary special training. I must say, it was very useful for a general understanding of the process and the subtleties with which some unscrupulous people sometimes try to openly pull the wool over our eyes, not for free. Thirdly, one or two polling stations out of almost a hundred thousand cannot be a full reflection of the general situation in the country. There are examples when violations occurred, for which voting at polling stations was recognized as invalid. And what's wrong with that, people can make mistakes... that's why they are punished. Deservedly so. And if not, then someone even cancels a traffic fine through the appellate courts. We are certainly not ideal. And the struggle for power is going on at all levels. But it is still too early to say that the country systematically votes for one thing and recognizes the victory of another.
                    1. 0
                      30 July 2025 11: 18
                      You haven't convinced me. I stuck to my guns. There is no change of power in Russia, for a long time now - everyone died at the helm, Stalin, Brezhnev, Andropov. Somehow it all worked out with Yeltsin, I don't know...
                      1. 0
                        30 July 2025 11: 23
                        Quote: realist
                        You didn't convince me. I stuck to my guns.

                        I am not trying to convince you of anything. Think as you wish. Another thing is that in large empires, the change of power is not a panacea. I hope you do not consider the change from Biden to Trump a change of power? And Britain remains faithful to its political traditions thanks to the constancy of the ruling elite.
                      2. 0
                        30 July 2025 12: 50
                        Biden's course and Trump's course are a little different, in America there is no change of power, the Committee of 300 rules there, but nevertheless they are different.
                      3. 0
                        30 July 2025 17: 35
                        Quote: realist
                        Biden's course and Trap's course are slightly different

                        In the political course of the American presidential administration, the main questions are "who is the enemy?" and "who to feed?" Show how Biden's line differs from Trump's.
                      4. +1
                        31 July 2025 09: 36
                        I have no desire to analyze the deep political views of these gentlemen, but one aimed his weapon at the outskirts, and the other one seems not to want to.
                2. -1
                  30 July 2025 13: 16
                  The padding of the presidential elections in 1996 was officially proven. But then they simply threw up their hands: "the train has already left."
                  In the Republic of Tatarstan alone, 600 thousand votes were taken away from Zyuganov and given to Yeltsin?
                  Well?
                  Let's assume that the fact of falsification in these elections had been revealed in a timely manner and had been acknowledged by Yeltsin's team. What, Yeltsin and his accomplices would have handed over their powers to Zyuganov?
                  Pardon me, but we are not Belarus, where Lukashenko peacefully took power. So a full-fledged Civil War would have begun. In which the communists would have had no chance of winning.
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2025 17: 31
                    Quote: Illanatol
                    The falsification of votes in the 1996 presidential elections was officially proven.

                    Today is not 1996...
                    1. 0
                      31 July 2025 14: 03
                      And has anything changed fundamentally?
            4. +2
              29 July 2025 12: 44
              First of all, you need to come to the elections. And not be brushed off with the words: They decided everything for us there.
              1. +1
                30 July 2025 08: 38
                I always go to elections. It's just a pity that it's in vain....
                1. 0
                  30 July 2025 09: 14
                  Not in vain! You go, I go. Tomorrow another couple of hundred and so you see, little by little, something will move.
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2025 09: 17
                    Considering how quickly and clearly competitors and simply all dissenters are eliminated, I will of course go to the elections, but there will be no olka from this.
                    1. 0
                      30 July 2025 09: 18
                      It will be. Let's do everything we can ourselves first.
                      1. 0
                        30 July 2025 11: 15
                        Anything is possible. I just don’t believe in it. There was an example with the sculptor Klykov, and I don’t want to play these games anymore.
            5. +1
              29 July 2025 19: 57
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              If you act legally... in elections do not vote for people and parties that promote lawlessness of negativity... disseminate your point of view in all sources of information... when there are many like you... the authorities have to take into account the opinion of the masses.
              The process is not quick and requires a certain amount of patience.
              Of course, you can take the revolutionary path...

              The meaning of what was said is clear. Who is meant is also clear. What is not clear is who do you consider yourself to be if your suggestions and hints coincide with the goals of the enemy? I think it is unnecessary to mention Gene Harp's methods. There is a war going on, and you want a change of power? Who should you propose as a replacement? Speak directly. Last name... I don't think you have anything intelligible to say. But you are already becoming an accomplice of the enemy... You should do some time in the Criminal Code, otherwise they will really put you in handcuffs and send you to the prison camp... lol
              1. +1
                29 July 2025 20: 11
                Quote: Hagen
                ... will be shod in handcuffs...

                good laughing good

                +100500 for this one phrase. Haven't laughed so hard in a long time.
              2. 0
                30 July 2025 09: 17
                Not a change, but a dilution of the overfed entourage of the supreme. The fact that in that swamp not a single correct decision passes is already obvious to everyone.

                This is akin to a person with gangrene in the leg and a high temperature from inflammation. The operation here is extremely complex, the patient must be stabilized and the temperature must be maintained during amputation. But this MUST be done... otherwise DEATH. And for our country, another division of its
                1. 0
                  30 July 2025 11: 32
                  Quote: PROXOR
                  It is already obvious to everyone that in that swamp not a single correct decision can be made.

                  I don't think anyone at VO has any idea what is happening there that should be happening. Our level of awareness in general does not stand up to any criticism. And I do not presume to judge how our "technology of power" works, and I will not listen to other "broadcasters". No matter how much our KGB "kept the temperature", the process was still missed by the authorities. It has always been like this - everyone walked around puffing out their cheeks, making forecasts, approving plans, but still lived "as it happened". And nothing happened to expect changes.
        2. -1
          29 July 2025 17: 13
          yeah...there's a good saying: a smart person won't be offended, but still won't understand.
      2. +1
        29 July 2025 09: 17
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Who is to blame and what to do?

        All the same familiar faces. A long stay on the "roost" does not guarantee an increase in egg production.
    2. +2
      29 July 2025 12: 04
      What to do? Put it underground - air defense won't take it all away. As North Korea and Iran do. Sabotage from the inside is unlikely to cause fatal damage. But MRAU can. Only a small part of NATO's non-nuclear arsenal will be enough to leave Russia without a military-industrial complex. And vulnerable objects that cannot be removed (stationary radars, air defense systems, chemical and oil refineries) need to be additionally protected, including from small drones.
      1. 0
        29 July 2025 13: 37
        What to do? Put it underground - the air defense won't take it all away. As the DPRK and Iran do

        The DPRK is not an argument; they have not fought on their own soil since the 1950s and their defense system has not been tested in practice.
        Iran was not helped much by their burying. So what if they burrowed? They still lost the ability to act effectively. The losses are incomparable, the volumes of strikes are incomparable.
        Burying them helped them survive an Israeli attack, but that's not enough. Whether it will help them survive an attack by a larger state, whether it will help them survive a direct ground invasion - that's a big question.
    3. +1
      29 July 2025 13: 29
      Russia's borders in the southern direction are open and such gifts from enemies could very well leak through them.

      Don't panic ahead of time. This is true in any country with long or difficult to control borders.
      In the same way, certain individuals have been importing tons of various substances into the country of the main enemy, the USA, for decades, and they can do nothing about it.
    4. -1
      29 July 2025 17: 09
      nothing good will happen!!! They will beg for money for restoration and assistance at a party meeting of the "party of crooks and thieves - United Russia" )))
    5. 0
      30 July 2025 01: 50
      Yes, Lech, I agree, but... As an experienced long-distance driver, I can EASILY find a way to prevent such "gifts" from penetrating into the adjacent territory: this is BORDER AND CUSTOMS CONTROL (provided, of course, that there is no corruption at the border, and such, alas, is present - I know WHAT I am talking about)...
      It is enough to simply OPEN the container/s - it's easy - at the border, and....
      As they say, everything is clear to the court...
      1. 0
        30 July 2025 02: 03
        Opening and checking a container at the border or in the port is a matter of a couple of minutes, and - DRUM on the seals, accompanying documents... For example, sealed containers of the MAERSK company are ALMOST NEVER!!! opened at the borders (due to the status and image of the company!). This is corrected within 5-10 minutes: at EVERY border crossing there is either a company representative, or an act of opening is drawn up, new seals are hung, and the container goes on, provided that EVERYTHING is OK with the cargo specified in the CMR, CORNET, and customs declarations.
        It's all as simple as a ruble twenty, I used to say...
    6. -1
      30 July 2025 01: 53
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Just imagine when such a container filled with missiles or UAVs appears somewhere near Irkutsk...

      The fact that Russia does not have a certain class of weapon does not make the likelihood of the enemy acquiring this weapon any less likely.
    7. 0
      31 July 2025 08: 50
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Russia's borders in the southern direction are open and such gifts from enemies could very well leak through them.

      Do you seriously believe that you can accidentally smuggle a container with missiles, or just a container, across the border?
  2. +7
    29 July 2025 04: 17
    our Mo categorically does not want to adopt MLRS with a launcher no larger than a container, for some reason they need 25 launch tubes with a missile length like a train car, on a 30-axis and a chassis height like a 3-story house that could be observed with binoculars from Ireland in the Moscow region
    1. -3
      29 July 2025 05: 32
      Quote from iommy
      MLRS with a launch tube no larger than a container, for some reason they need 25 launch tubes with missiles as long as a train car

      And what is the corresponding range?
    2. 0
      29 July 2025 13: 47
      For some reason they need 25 launch tubes with rockets as long as a train car, on a 30-axis chassis and as high as a 3-story house

      The dimensions of the missiles are the same.
  3. +1
    29 July 2025 04: 28
    Another issue here is that target designation can be carried out from anywhere, from an airplane or helicopter to another ship located at a decent distance from the container.

    This is if the launcher container is equipped with a satellite communication terminal and the operator is able to remotely test the equipment. Also, the missile itself must have a satellite communication channel in order to receive information about the target, otherwise it will be a launch wherever God sends. This is in the sense of hitting moving targets, where GPS data may become irrelevant. Otherwise, there must be a radar operator next to the container, respectively, with the radar and a launch preparation team, as in the case of Kara Atmaca.
    The Kara Atmaca container system is not a means of secretly introducing attack weapons into the civilian sector, but a means of reducing the cost and simplifying the logistics of an anti-ship system. That is, it is impossible to load a container with missiles onto a container ship and launch missiles while being hundreds of miles away.
  4. +3
    29 July 2025 04: 44
    Quote: Puncher
    It is impossible to load a container with missiles onto a container ship and launch missiles while being hundreds of miles away.

    Nothing is impossible in this case...you shouldn't lull yourself with such hopes.
    1. 0
      29 July 2025 17: 17
      That's right, Lyokha, there's no need to think, you have to jump!
  5. +6
    29 July 2025 04: 49
    Such a system can certainly be disguised in any way. But there is one "but"! Dozens of people are involved in servicing such a container, and thousands on a national scale, which means that leaks are possible. And all the efforts of our ill-wishers will be thrown into searching for such disguised containers. Here we can recall the juvenile idiots who set fire to and exploded transformer boxes
    1. 0
      29 July 2025 05: 34
      But how beautiful the sea traffic map looks at this scale laughing
  6. -1
    29 July 2025 06: 08
    It was exactly 15 years ago, at the MAKS-2011 exhibition, that a new type of platform for launching cruise missiles was presented - a standard 20 and 40 foot container. And this container could accommodate from two to four Kalibr cruise missiles

    So, the author is hinting that we were the first to start it?)))
    1. 0
      29 July 2025 07: 49
      Why not? Weren't we the ones who started it?
    2. 0
      29 July 2025 08: 09
      Quote: severok1979
      So, the author is hinting that we were the first to start it?)))

      Club System. Offered for export, but apparently not successful.
  7. +3
    29 July 2025 06: 30
    As a non-specialist in this field, I assume that if there were no problems and tasks with target designation and communication for cruise missiles launched from a container on foreign territory, then such missile container systems would have been used long ago. And so, if only used at a distance up to the radio horizon, then the sheepskin, perhaps, is not worth the candle. Another thing is such a container as a beehive for launching UAVs over a relatively short distance. Here, in my opinion, the "potential" is only just being "revealed". In terms of the effectiveness of some five or seven UAVs launched from such a container, the result will not be much less than from a cruise missile launched from such a container, but the price of a cruise missile is ten times more than the price of all these seven UAVs combined. By the way, the price of a guided aerial bomb plus the price of an aircraft flight is much less than the cost of a cruise missile launched from a container. And what if you have to drag an expensive radar behind the container? Can the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Security Service of Ukraine repeat this with missiles from containers, as they have already done with UAVs against Russian strategic aviation? They can. Russia's borders with SR. Asia without the strictest and total control of automobile and railway transport, probably the same with the "friendly multipolar partners" on the Caspian Sea, so Russia has quite a few options for catching something from a container from the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Security Service of Ukraine today.
    1. 0
      29 July 2025 10: 55
      And if the goal is terrorism, that is, to sink all ships within sight?
      And again, the transit container is sealed by the sender, how will you inspect it? X-ray? So they will stick a "do not scan" sign on the container, there is cargo that is afraid of radiation. Or screens to help us, it is difficult to add special screens so that the X-ray shows that the cargo corresponds to the declaration.
  8. +4
    29 July 2025 06: 35
    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
    There is no such force now. And there won't be any! Bourgeois elections are a thimble-rig - you'll end up a loser in any case...

    If the state and society do not develop, it will inevitably begin to rot from within and decompose... and as a result, it becomes weak to external influence.
    Well, for example...how will the government recruit into the army people who do not want to fight for the interests of the oligarchs in its ranks...
    In the history of countries, many states and empires have disappeared into oblivion under the weight of internal contradictions... the Kremlin towers should remember this so as not to share their fate. hi
    1. +2
      29 July 2025 07: 51
      So the towers are going exactly along this path! If you calmly analyze everything, then the path to nowhere, to dissolution, is clearly forming. The only question remains, is this being done on purpose or are they really already playing around and do not see
  9. +4
    29 July 2025 09: 01
    Soviet BZhRK - "Molodets". And "Barguzin" is an attempt to create a new Russian BZhRK based on the Yars missile.
    1. +1
      29 July 2025 15: 13
      Quote: Victor Masyuk
      Soviet BZhRK - "Well done"

      I've already sent a notification about the error. My friend served on Molodets, he doesn't remember a damn thing - they gave him something to drink. lol
  10. -1
    29 July 2025 09: 12
    A good topic has been raised. There are dozens of options for camouflage and unexpected use. However, I'd better get busy reading the comments and neutralizing the "crazy ones"...
  11. +1
    29 July 2025 10: 41
    This thing suits terrorists. And so, in case of an incident, ALL merchant ships under your flag or leaving your ports can be considered as terrorists or pirates with the corresponding consequences.
  12. -1
    29 July 2025 13: 27
    Once, together with my colleague Staver, we almost seriously discussed a container with a launcher for the Kalibr cruise missiles on a fire pontoon in the middle of Lake Peipus. At the time, it looked pretty funny, but not without certain grounds, since from that lake, cruise missiles could easily shoot across all of Europe.

    Even now it sounds funny.
    What's wrong with a PGRK with the same Kalibr missiles, disguised as a road train, driving around northwest Russia? In this case, the vehicle is even more camouflaged, is not limited to the boundaries of one lake, is much easier to maintain and operate, is more mobile and can always drive into a shelter (after all, your pontoon does not go under water).
    Unfortunately, for reasons that are not entirely clear, this method of deploying missiles was rejected by the Russian Ministry of Defense, and to this day, even in the fourth year of the SVO, they have not returned to it.

    The fact that you personally or the entire world were not publicly informed about the adoption of such a complex into service does not mean that it was definitely not adopted.
    The Americans also did not announce in the news that they were transporting weapons to Ukraine in civilian trucks and standard sea containers, and there were no signs on the railway cars with ICBMs saying "secret car, civilians should not approach."
    Sometimes the one who has no special principles wins.

    So, the Soviet engineers who put a nuclear bomb into a standard passenger car were people without principles?
    Leave the lyrics. War is the art of lies.
    1. 0
      29 July 2025 16: 53
      They did it in response to a fake American project. And they did it. Another question is that the BZhRK of that time was an absolutely flawed product in terms of stealth. Now, yes, it can be made much lighter and more compact. But why?
      1. -1
        29 July 2025 18: 58
        The BZhRK of that time was an absolutely flawed product in terms of stealth.

        From what?
        1. 0
          2 August 2025 16: 55
          Quote: English Tarantas
          The BZhRK of that time was an absolutely flawed product in terms of stealth.

          From what?

          I repeat again.
          I have written about this several times already.
          But apparently everyone needs to be explained.

          Paragraph 1.
          Ensuring the safety of this train on the route.
          Required.
          1. Provide a 100% guarantee of the serviceability of the trackbed, embankment, bridges, crossings, each switch mechanism on the route of the nuclear train. Nuclear = lettered.
          Accordingly, between the previous civil and nuclear letter, traffic stops at all distances several hours in advance, railcars with special equipment are launched to check both the tracks and analyzers for the presence of explosives and electronic equipment at a distance of up to 20 meters from the track.
          Accordingly, during the above-mentioned inspection at each such crossing, bridge, switch, the “correct” FSB officer must be on guard.
          2. The passage of every oncoming train should not just be controlled - every oncoming train should be searched and inspected for the presence of explosives, saboteurs, etc.
          3. Each station along the route of a nuclear train must be provided with appropriate safety measures.
          4. Train crews are on special watch.
          5. Locomotives - are serviced in special depots. Which also need to be built separately from the existing ones.
          6. The schedule of passenger and freight trains will be completely crumpled in favor of the movement of the nuclear letter train. The economy of freight turnover and passenger traffic will simply stop.
          The entire country's economy will then come to a standstill.

          To ensure the above minimum levels of safety is to fully disclose the entire nuclear train system, their routes, schedules, directions, dates and times.
          Because such an event is akin to the president’s visit to the village of Gadyukino.

          And if nothing is done, then the nuclear train will be endangered.
          It will still be very easy to detect with seismic and acoustic sensors by its specific signature.
          Sensors, disguised, can scatter even hundreds of thousands.
          Conduct radio and visual reconnaissance from space.
          And ground protection from traitors or saboteurs.
          And control the movement, analyze it.
          Then they can start monitoring the shift departure of specific drivers, the purchases of their families, and the location of their cell phones.
          How much fuel is delivered to service bases?
          What kind of people come there. What kind of cell phones are displayed there.
          Even if they are switched off immediately upon arrival and handed over to a black safe, their grouping before switching off is controlled. As is the subsequent switching on.
          Analyze and analyze.

          And as a result, they will have a guaranteed map with a 97% prediction of the expected location of nuclear trains at any given time.
  13. -1
    29 July 2025 13: 33
    Unfortunately, for reasons that are not entirely clear, this method of deploying missiles was rejected by the Russian Defense Ministry.

    Because you can’t saw it, because it’s cheap and cheerful.
  14. -1
    29 July 2025 17: 06
    The edros and the commies drank everything and created nothing worthwhile! This was decided in the USSR and they did everything wisely!!!
  15. +1
    29 July 2025 17: 07
    A headache container for everyone without exception
    First of all, for Turkey itself.
    When a state that does not have missile technology begins to be armed with missiles, it means that it is being prepared for war, which means it will be sent to slaughter.
    ---
    By this time, a third European company had already accused Azerbaijan of supplying contaminated oil: Austrian OMV, Italian Eni and British BP.
    What does this mean?
    They are pressuring Aliyev, demanding that he start a war for Zangezur, and this is a war with Iran, where his fellow tribesmen and co-religionists live.
    Among other things, the Turks are putting pressure on him, and as we can see, they are also preparing for war.
    It looks like Ataturk's brains are leaving Turkey.
  16. +1
    29 July 2025 17: 49
    I can assume that drones flying to Karelia or Sochi can also be launched from ships passing along the route in the Baltic or Black Sea.
  17. 0
    29 July 2025 19: 34
    october
    But here we need propaganda of Marxism.

    Agreed! Are the slogans old or new? Well, that's not the point! Land for the workers!
    And drive all the city dwellers into collective farms!
  18. +1
    30 July 2025 01: 06
    It seems to me that the very first use of such an attack option will entail a complete change in the rules of maritime transportation. Inspections will be carried out no longer in territorial waters or even in the economic zone, but wherever. The world is rushing at full speed toward a new world war. The inability to negotiate and the ambitions of the West will lead to this outcome one way or another. Almost all areas of the world economy are affected by the desires of the States and their accomplices like mold. The Cuban Missile Crisis is just child's play compared to the current intensity of passions.
    1. 0
      30 July 2025 01: 12
      Quote: avdkrd
      Almost all areas of the world economy are infected like mold by the desires of the States and their accomplices.

      Well, no one has either the will or the opportunity to somehow change this.
  19. -1
    30 July 2025 06: 10
    Interesting. How is the power supply problem solved? Batteries? And the security problem? Video surveillance from a satellite? And service maintenance? This is just a guess. Most likely there will be a sea of problems. As an option for special operations it is quite good, but as a permanent solution it is questionable.
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  21. -1
    30 July 2025 11: 50
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: October
    As long as the Communist Party of the Russian Federation can act within the law, the option of a peaceful social revolution cannot be ruled out.

    Does the current CPRF need it? They squandered their chance to act within the law 30 years ago, and now they are moving in the mainstream of a comfortable fight with the authorities. That is, they pretend to be active, not forgetting who feeds them.

    You are either unaware or disingenuous. The CPRF did not have a constitutional majority in the Duma at that time, when a decision could be made on any issue. In addition, the LDPR played the role of a strikebreaker during the voting. However, it was created in this capacity, as a spoiler. There were not enough 5 or 6 mandates for the decisions proposed by the CPRF to be made independently of the voting of other factions, as is happening now, when United Russia has an absolute constitutional majority. That's how it is, in this context. bully
  22. 0
    30 July 2025 21: 11
    The SVO with its "lack of principles" will set a new trend in the near future.
    The weapon will be developed based on three main principles.
    - Secrecy.
    - Mobility.
    - Power.
    Moreover, the priorities are precisely in the order listed. Very soon we will see that countries will no longer be embarrassed to place weapons among civilian objects, since it is easiest to disguise them there.
    And it will be placed on highly mobile platforms that are outwardly indistinguishable from civilian vehicles.
    The boundaries between military and civilian will be erased. But in case of war, civilians will fly in on par with the military.
    1. 0
      31 July 2025 09: 40
      The sea container is quite roomy, inside: length - 12 meters, width - 2,35 meters, height - 2,39 meters. . empty weight is about 4 tons, cargo weight is up to 30 tons, that is, missiles of the X-101 type with dimensions of about 7.5 m x 0.7 m x 0.7 m together with launch tubes will fit from 4 to 9 pieces, for comparison, the Tu-95 takes 8 missiles, that is, one train with a dozen containers on platforms will replace an unknown number of strategic aviation aircraft
  23. -1
    31 July 2025 17: 30
    No need to be shy. First of all, bring back the Club-K into service. Who dreamed of deploying missiles in Cuba? Why not? And the delivery is covert, and the deployment and range are quite decent, so if anything happens, we can screw up our sworn friends both in the USA and in Great Britain. And dry cargo ships are sailing in many places. And it would make sense to sort out legal cases if the Club-K were a unique weapon. And actually, who cares about cases, if here, not in the next few days, but sooner, the casus belli is in full swing?
  24. 0
    1 August 2025 03: 24
    someone has a short memory, probably due to their young age.. because back in 2012, the same resource discussed the prospects of the Russian CLUB-K complex in a container design... was the topic successfully suppressed or did it all end up in a budget embezzlement??? https://topwar.ru/18852-raketnyy-kompleks-club-k-kritika-i-perspektivy.html

    P.S. Apparently I'm already old enough to remember circumstances from such a long time ago...
  25. -1
    1 August 2025 08: 29
    Isn't it time to name the names of people who, due to their age, stupidity or "love for the West," did not allow the development of promising types of weapons and armaments... They must be judged!
  26. 0
    1 August 2025 23: 28
    Quote: Author
    The container is an ideal means of camouflage at sea.

    what

    Well, it looked smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines on the surface:
    1. We look at 8 photos of a container ship and draw a conclusion about how to insert the container so that it can open, and who will control this.
    2. The staff must be in the know, otherwise there may be some "subtleties" when unloading)))
    This is what is on the surface, but in general, containers with filling placed at various points on the earth's surface can be a formidable weapon.
  27. -1
    2 August 2025 08: 58
    This is about a retaliatory strike. Do our rulers still hope to detect an attack with the help of a satellite group? But they probably don't expect to receive a preventive strike from such containers, previously brought to Russian territory and placed discreetly under plausible pretexts in the right places? And in vain. Because the worst thing in war is to have bad brains.
  28. 0
    2 August 2025 21: 57
    Tell me, which party brought about all this capitalism? Who is the successor? Who had a party card during the USSR? And who sold their homeland for bucks? Why is a strong ruble bad? So the CPRF cannot claim leadership! There is no faith in such a party! There is no fight at the trough and there will be none, since everything suits them