August 1 - Day of Remembrance of Russian soldiers who died in the First World War

Until 1914 in the world stories there was not a single armed conflict that would be global in nature. That year, on July 28, the First World War began. Already on August XNUMX, when Germany declared war on the Russian Empire, our country became a participant in this grandiose slaughter.

The pretext for the war was the assassination of the Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo by the Serbian nationalist Gavrilo Princip.

For Russia, this armed conflict was a very difficult test. Our country lost up to two million of its citizens in it. It was even harder for it later – when the empire collapsed, and an even more terrible war – the Civil War – broke out on its ruins.

During the First World War, Russian soldiers and officers demonstrated courage and heroism. To a large extent, the victory of the Entente over Germany and Austria-Hungary is the merit of the Russian military. But Russia was not destined to be among the victorious countries. In 1917, two revolutions took place in our country, as a result of which the new Russian leadership, several months before the end of the First World War, concluded a separate peace with the Germans, temporarily giving them vast territories with a multi-million population.

In modern Russia, August 1 has become a memorial date as a result of the adoption of a corresponding law in 2012. It began to be officially called the Day of Remembrance of Russian Soldiers Who Died in the First World War.

But the first memorial events in honor of the soldiers who died in this conflict began to be held back in the 90s of the last century. Then, in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, church memorial services for the heroes of that distant war and the laying of flowers on their mass graves were held for the first time.

And today, on August 1, we remember the Russian soldiers and officers who honestly fulfilled their military duty during the Great War. Eternal memory and glory to them!

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[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ Day of Remembrance of Russian Soldiers Who Died in World War I❞ —

— “Nobody wanted war, war was inevitable” © ...
(From Barbara Tuchman's book on the causes of the First World War)

[K._2]

Eternal memory ❤️ (short)

[your vsr 66-67]

Today, August 1, we remember Russian soldiers and officers who honestly fulfilled their military duty during the Great War. Eternal memory and glory to them!

Eternal memory to our ancestors!
My father, or rather my paternal grandfather, had a large family, 13 people. My father was the youngest in the family, born in 1900. Some of his older brothers died in the First World War.
Then into the civil war. Then dispossession.
And the father was the only one left alive from such a large family!
I mourn for those who died in wars and innocent victims in peacetime. 😢

[Shooting]

There are respected opinions that this war was the very first world war. It is believed that the first world war was the Crimean War (in terms of the composition of the participants and the scale, since it was fought not only in the Crimea, but also in Arkhangelsk, Kamchatka, etc.), but since the name of the first world war was assigned to this one, the Crimean is called the zero world war.

[2 Level Advisor]

Glory to our ancestors! Three great-grandfathers fought... Grandma told me - the war was very hard according to their stories... and bloody...

[Reptiloid]

This war was a war of a new type. With new weapons, new technology, other means of destroying large masses of people.
I feel sorry for the dead Russian people who were forced to go there. My great-grandfather fought and came back with frostbitten feet.

[Hey]

That's why lie. Yes, Germany started the war with France. And only later, Russia was the first to declare war on Germany. Because Tsarist Russia had taken on debts from France, also for the Russo-Japanese War, and then Russian soldiers had to pay off this debt with blood.

[D-east]

World War I - Timeline of Declarations of War

Date Who declared war Who was declared war
July 28, 1914 Austria-Hungary Serbia
August 1, 1914 Germany Russia
August 3, 1914 Germany France
August 3, 1914 Germany Belgium
August 4, 1914 British Empire Germany

[glock-17]

The war that was called the Second Patriotic War in the Russian Empire, but was unfairly renamed the imperialist war. The main historical injustice is that Russia, which suffered the greatest losses, was never included in the ranks of the victors. There is no point in trying to figure out who is to blame for everything. All that remains is to honor the memory of the fallen Russian soldiers.

[tatra]

You, enemies of the USSR, always substitute concepts as it suits you. The Patriotic War is the defense of your Fatherland from an enemy who has attacked it. And Nicholas II dragged Russia and the Russian people into the First World War, which they did not need, only for the sake of obligations to France and Serbia. From the Book of Memories of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich

In a conversation with me he blurted out that he could have avoided the war if he had decided to betray France and Serbia, but that he did not want to. No matter how fatal and one-sided the Franco-Russian alliance was, Russia wanted to honor the obligations it had assumed.

[glock-17]

Ideologies come and go, but geopolitical interests remain. If we compare the goals that the Russian Empire set when entering WWI, they are very similar to those that the USSR set in WWII. If the goals of the First World War were unfair for Russia, then, in fairness, we must admit that the goals of the Second World War were also unfair.

[Galina Mylnikova]

What do you mean "for the sake of obligations only"? Do not judge what you do not understand in international intergovernmental obligations and treaties.

[comradChe]

Well, why doesn't it make sense? Are you from the "Lovers of Walking on a Rake" sect? Just recently there was a day when the admirers of False "bonds" held a religious procession to commemorate one family, the faces of whose members "decorate" EVERY temple of God. Today, FOR THE SAKE OF JUSTICE, we must look at these "holy and innocent" faces of the family (the family name is in question) with an HONEST look, FOR THE SAKE OF JUSTICE, remembering the millions who died during "slight misunderstandings" between RELATIVES of the reigning families.

[glock-17]

So the brutal execution of this family, including children and servants, is that fair in your opinion?

[comradChe]

I honestly admit that the grief over the death of millions of dead and tens of millions of unborn completely eclipses the grief over the death of the family of the culprit (the Tsar, after all). This is an HONEST LOOK at history, without any PROPAGANDA of the regime and the cult organization that assents to it.

[Reptiloid]

What's the problem? How many deaths of crowned heads have there been? At least here, in Russia, at least in Europe. And no one cries for anyone as much as for H2? Not long ago, the Olympics in France. The show --- the murder of the Queen! No repentance or complaints, suffering. There, too, the talk is about family.
And how many peasant families were killed in the Civil War. I feel sorry for them.

[Grancer81]

And the brutal executions of people without trial or investigation during the First Russian Revolution by order of the head of this family, is this fair?

[tatra]

Nicholas II wrote on June 2, 1906: “…The death penalty is unfortunately an inevitable phenomenon at the present time. But it is necessary that persons who have committed a crime punishable by death not languish for a long time in anticipation of it, and that sentences in these cases be passed and executed no later than 48 hours after the crime has been committed. Such a quick punishment will also have a more deterrent effect.” (TsGIA USSR, f. 1276, op. 1, d. 92, l. 11)

[Klausp]

and what was brutal there? Maybe the execution of the family of the FORMER head of state and members of his family was illegal, I'm not strong on that. But what can we say about justice in relation to the thousands of cats killed by Nikolai? The emperor equally easily took the lives of both cats and his subjects. Do you see this as fair?
Or should Emperor Paul be hit in the temple with an English snuffbox to death, is that fair?!

[AdAstra]

Your baguette is stale - it will be difficult to crunch.

[glock-17]

I'm not keen on carbohydrates. I prefer meat and vegetables with red wine for dessert.

[AdAstra]

No, it seems you like to crunch on a bun.

[glock-17]

Wake up and take a cold shower. It's good for your health.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Glock-17

I'm not into carbohydrates

Your opponent, who hints at a French roll, thinks it's something rich. In fact:

A French roll, another symbol of pre-revolutionary luxury, cost 3 kopecks before the revolution. I quote from Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov:
“I’ll take this loaf of bread with me if you give it to me,” said Alyosha, and taking the three-kopeck French loaf, he put it in the pocket of his cassock.

These French rolls were baked everywhere. But after the revolution they were given to nomenklatura workers in special canteens.

[Klausp]

pervert - red wine only with meat dishes - MAIN ones, and not with all of them. And certainly not for dessert. But anyway, everything is clear about you.

[glock-17]

There is no accounting for taste. Have you never heard of red sweet dessert wine or do you only indulge in moonshine?

[Klausp]

Sweet wine is bad form, ugh, to be like you! Are you still being coy?

[glock-17]

What hole did you crawl out of?

[Klausp]

pfff, at least I got out, and you are sitting in it, flooded with the filth of anti-Sovietism and globalism.

[glock-17]

So Lenin and Trotsky were the globalists' proxies for the destruction of Russian national capitalism. The execution of the royal family was part of this plan. Do you really naively believe that kindly grandfather Lenin loved his people so much that he decided to "bless" them with blood?

[Klausp]

You were standing right there, recording everything in a ledger, weren't you? Did you just picture Lenin and Trotsky destroying Russian capitalism? Wow! You've been sitting in your American-Jewish hole for too long, flooded with Russophobic filth! Remember, the Russian people were drenched in blood: the Whites, the monarchists, the Greens, the Entente, the British, the Nazis, the fascists, the Islamists, the collaborators, the Pindos, the Australians, the Canadians, the Japanese, the White Cossacks, and other scum like you. The Bolsheviks, however, having organized the Russian people, were able to defend their right to life and beat the crap out of all of them. I have no doubt that you will end your worthless lives in the same hole you refuse to leave. And the Russian people will live happily ever after.

[glock-17]

You've resorted to personal attacks and threats. Always be wary of your curses. They tend to come back.

[Klausp]

You're too self-important; it's not significant enough to be threatened, and besides, there are no immortals in this world. That means your life, like everyone else's, will end in death. That's an incontrovertible fact. But you'll end yours, as I wrote above, as the most worthless of the worthless, meaning absolutely incompetent. Besides, you've agreed that you're a fascist supporter. You'll burn in hell (if it even exists), assuming they even let you in.

[glock-17]

You'd better go see a psychiatrist, I don't need to pour out my filthy soul here.

[Klausp]

You have a rotten soul, don't blame others for your shortcomings. You're the real scumbag, don't try to twist your hips, it won't help.

[glock-17]

Even a psychiatrist won't help you anymore. The only thing left for you is the Cossack Nogai between the horns.

[Klausp]

You're in a real mess! You're no longer capable of it yourself... Foreign agents are becoming less and less important, they're always looking for others, like Krasnov and Vlasov, to push them ahead of themselves.

[snow mountain]

Alas, this war is completely unknown to the older generation, where two or three lines were written about it in school textbooks. I take my hat off to those who died in that war.

[tatra]

Well, there was no need for Soviet communists to praise Nicholas II, who dragged Russia and its people into the First World War, in which the Bolsheviks were against Russia’s participation from the very beginning.
And for the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, the history of the reign of Nicholas II, praised by them for the sake of their false and hypocritical anti-Sovietism, ends in 1913.

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: tatra

And the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people have a history of the reign of Nicholas II, who they praise for the sake of their false and hypocritical anti-Sovietism.

You can say that! It has already reached the point that in every city there is a monument, and not just one!

[glock-17]

Russia had no choice in this situation. Germany decided to march to the East. The German ambassador to Russia had two notes on the ultimatum to stop mobilization. Both options provided for declaring war on Russia. Besides, we know what it means to avoid war by means of shame.

[tatra]

Yes, if Nicholas II had cancelled the mobilization of the Russian army on the border with Austria-Hungary, then there would have been no war between Germany and the Russian Empire. And by doing so he would have saved millions of lives of his subjects, and quite possibly his own life and that of his relatives.
And at the same time, he also surrendered to the Germans territories in which more than 20 million of his subjects lived, and then abandoned Russia and its people.

[Grancer81]

Russia had a choice even before that. But the rejection of the Björkö Treaty and joining the Entente predetermined everything that followed.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

Soviet communists had no need to praise Nicholas II, who dragged Russia and its people into the First World War

Well, yes, especially since the Soviet communists themselves dragged Russia into the Civil War, which turned out to be more bloody and destructive than World War I. After which they had to pin the blame on someone, for their own justification.

Quote: tatra

the false and hypocritical anti-Sovietism of Nicholas II

To attribute anti-Soviet sentiments to Nicholas II is, of course, a strong statement.
Well, or the sentence should be constructed in such a way that the text does not look like a stream of consciousness. You received a Soviet education - you should be at least somewhat familiar with the grammar of your native language.

[tatra]

Lies and nonsense. The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people justify the crimes of the external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, including the crimes of those who unleashed the Civil War AGAINST the Bolsheviks and their supporters. And you brazenly falsified what I wrote.

the history of the reign of Nicholas II, praised by them for the sake of their false and hypocritical anti-Sovietism

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

crimes of those who started the Civil War AGAINST the Bolsheviks and their supporters

So, in your opinion, the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with the start of the Civil War?

[tatra]

You, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, are not just lying, you are lying even against all logic and common sense. The government CANNOT unleash a civil war in its own country, and the Bolsheviks were the government in Russia from October 25, 1917. It is always unleashed by the opponents of the government.
It is YOU who cannot live without unleashing wars - first you unleashed them against the Soviet people, and after you captured and dismembered the USSR, you immediately began unleashing them against each other.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

The Bolsheviks were in power in Russia from October 25, 1917

Well, strictly speaking, on October 25, 1917, the Bolsheviks were not even fully in power in all of St. Petersburg. Not to mention all of Russia.
By the way, according to your logic, the war in Ukraine was not started by the Maidanites either. Well, so what – they seized power, and therefore everyone else should meekly admit it and submit.

Quote: tatra

YOU cannot live without unleashing wars - first you unleashed them against the Soviet people

I am embarrassed to ask, but who are we, in your mind seething with indignation - imperialists, Masons, Jewish reptilians?

[tatra]

You, enemies of the USSR, are the same in relation to the Soviet period as in relation to your evil anti-Soviet period - first you do something YOURSELF, and then you cowardly shift the blame and responsibility onto others, and pretend to be “innocent victims.”

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

You are enemies of the USSR

Once again: and who are we, in your mind seething with indignation - imperialists, Masons, Jewish reptilians? Who are you fighting with?
By the way, have you noticed that the USSR, and therefore the Soviet people, have not existed for 34 years?

[tatra]

There is no need to cowardly wriggle out of it with meaningless flooding.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

No need to cowardly wriggle out of it with meaningless flooding

Is the desire to know who you consider your enemies a flood?

[Paranoid62]

Quote: tatra

first you do something YOURSELF, and then you cowardly shift the blame and responsibility onto others, and pretend to be "innocent victims"

Let's see how the widely known (in narrow circles) "Tatra" differs from the enemies of the USSR:

- Tatra survived the 1991 coup quietly. As did the enemies of the USSR. It didn't shoot Gorbachev, a la Fanya Kaplan, and didn't even stage any protests. At least I haven't heard of such a thing.
- after the coup - lived, like all enemies, quietly, peacefully... but here, attention
- "Tatra" has a home Internet. The enemies of the USSR did it, no doubt
- and "Tatra", in gratitude for this, began to angrily denigrate the "enemies of the USSR", blaming them for everything that she herself did (like millions of other similar "Tatras"), and did.

Question: So how does "Tatra" differ from "enemies of the USSR"? Answer: practically nothing

[Grancer81]

There was an article about this here a long time ago.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

There was an article here a long time ago

As the years have passed, history can be interpreted in ever more diverse ways, but... if we stick to the facts, there was no civil war after the February Revolution. Instead, a Provisional Government was created, which no one liked, but its powers ended in January 1918, when the Constituent Assembly was to decide the future of Russia.
The Civil War began after the Bolsheviks, who seized power as a result of the October Revolution, overthrew the Provisional Government, dispersed the Constituent Assembly and shot down demonstrations in its support.

[tatra]

If for you the October Revolution is a coup, then what is a revolution for you? Or is the intelligence of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people not enough to answer this question?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

If for you the October Revolution is a coup

Sorry, not for us, but for you:

“...it was pleasant and easy to observe how the revolution moved forward after the October Revolution…”
V. I. Lenin at the meeting of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on February 24, 1918

“It is now clear to everyone that without the October Revolution, Russia would not have emerged from the impasse of the imperialist war, the peasants would not have received land, the workers would not have run the factories and plants.”
I. V. Stalin in an article dedicated to the first anniversary of October.

[tatra]

Ha, the same primitive and predictable enemies of the USSR. I wanted to write that there was no need to drag Lenin into it, but still there was hope that you would have something else - from YOURSELF.
In general, you were unable to explain what revolution is for you. Which was required to be proven. Due to mental mendacity, the enemies of the USSR call revolution a coup, and their coups on the territory of the USSR they captured - they call revolutions.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

there was hope that you would have something different - from YOURSELF

I have no other facts for you from myself - only historical ones.
It would be possible to dig up quotes from Trotsky and Bukharin, but I’m lazy, so I collected what’s lying on the surface.

Quote: tatra

You couldn't explain what revolution is for you.

And I didn't intend to. It was you who wanted me to explain something, but I have no desire to live up to your expectations.

Quote: tatra

enemies of the USSR call the revolution a coup

Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky...

[Vladislav_V]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky...

Yes, this whole thing smells like a shooting.
We need to catch her before she goes abroad.

Our enemies' judgments about us are closer to the truth

[Grancer81]

The Constituent Assembly was dispersed by a detachment of anarchists led by the sailor A. Zheleznyak.
The October Revolution was carried out not only by the Bolsheviks, but in company with anarchists and Left Socialist Revolutionaries.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

The Constituent Assembly was dispersed by a detachment of anarchists led by sailor A. Zheleznyak

Well, yes, by order of the chairman of the Central Baltic, Pavel Dybenko, who in turn carried out the decree “On the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly” adopted on January 6 (19), 1918 by the All-Russian Central Executive Committee.
The draft of the decree was prepared by V. I. Lenin, and on the eve of the opening of the Constituent Assembly, Lenin prudently ordered that sailors be called from Kronstadt to disperse it.

Quote: Grencer81

The October Revolution was not carried out by the Bolsheviks alone, but in company with anarchists and Left Socialist Revolutionaries

Only the anarchists and Socialist Revolutionaries disappeared somewhere, but the Bolsheviks remained.

[Grancer81]

Look! There was a Decree! That means everything was legal!
Moreover, the Constituent Assembly did not provide anything for the country's population. Except...
What could she offer the peasants? Including those dressed in a soldier's greatcoat?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

There was a Decree! That means everything was legal!

Well, yes, as legal as, for example, the orders of the State Emergency Committee or the Maidan authorities.

Quote: Grencer81

The Constituent Assembly did not provide anything for the country's population

The Constituent Assembly could presumably provide a peaceful solution to the question of how to live on.
And the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly definitely led to a Civil War without any preconditions.

[Grancer81]

She could have, she could have not given... Fortune telling on boiled potatoes... Then the February coup was also "legal", so what? And if it was illegal, then what kind of "provisional government" and what kind of "constituent assembly"?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

the February coup is just as "legal"

In February there was a spontaneous rebellion, which ended with the government dissolving itself, the emperor abdicating, and dual power in the form of the Provisional Committee of the State Duma and the Petrograd Soviet of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies. They, however, agreed to create a Provisional Government and convene a Constituent Assembly, where the question of the form of government would be decided. Most likely, it would have been a constitutional democracy with a strong leftward bias, thanks to the very numerous factions of the Social Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks.
And in October, a secretly prepared and well-organized military coup took place, as a result of which power was seized by a group of conspirators.
This is if you stick to the facts only, without interpretation.

[Grancer81]

Yes, “spontaneous”, but well planned by a group of people, not at all from the Bolshevik Party, and not even anarchists.

[Klausp]

How did the Bolsheviks drag Russia into the Civil War? If you have facts, please state them, don't be lazy.

[Klausp]

The Bolsheviks, unlike some of the "unified" ones, were good at criticism and were not afraid of facts. That is why they chose 1913 as a starting point, because it was the MAXIMUM of imperialism's development in Mother Russia. After 1913, things got worse... But the Bolsheviks were able to change the situation, save the country, and develop it on new principles. So much so that the imperialists could not even dream of it.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: KlausP

After 1913 it got worse

Yeah, according to some indicators, right up until the reign of Khrushchev and even Brezhnev.

Quote: KlausP

the Bolsheviks were able to change the situation... in a way that the imperialists never dreamed of

Yes, some Soviet... "achievements" are not something you would dream of in your worst nightmare.

[Grancer81]

No worse than the "achievements" of the civilized West"...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

No worse than the "achievements" of the civilized West"

Unfortunately, in some cases it is much worse.

[Grancer81]

Yes, in many ways the "civilized West" is much worse.

[Klausp]

Give me the invoice, poor thing. He regrets it. We need proof!

[Klausp]

By what some? By the number of horses or women's clinics? Or by the number of engineers? Maybe by the amount of grain exported to the West? You, podslepniks, are visible from afar.

[Boris55]

History is not a teacher, but a warden:
She doesn't teach anything, but severely punishes for not knowing the lessons
Klyuchevsky V.O. (1841-1911)

...our country lost up to two million of its citizens. It was even harder for her later, when the empire collapsed....

It didn't collapse on its own. It was practically destroyed and they started dividing it up...

Many blame the Bolshevik Lenin for this. However, this is not true. They did not carry out the February Revolution. It was not the Bolsheviks, but the bourgeoisie who demanded the abdication of the supreme commander Nicholas II from the throne. It was they who, having carried out the February Revolution, brought down the front and led Russia to complete destruction.

The Bolsheviks saved Russia from oblivion. Today, some dream of overthrowing Putin... On VO, there is constant, completely unfounded criticism of the commander in chief... Do you understand what the consequences will be?

ps
The Party of Lenin is a political party created by the main intelligence department of the tsarist army as a counterweight to the Western parties in Russia working to destroy Russia.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Boris55

The Bolsheviks saved Russia from oblivion... Lenin's party is a political party created by the main intelligence department of the tsarist army

Picky.

[Klausp]

"Lenin's party is a political party created by the main intelligence department of the tsarist army as a counterweight to the Western parties in Russia working to destroy Russia." - you must not forget to take your pills, otherwise your recovery will be delayed.
The fact that half of the General Staff went over to the Bolsheviks does not prove that the General Staff was involved in their political victory. With the same success, one could bring in the gendarmes... or Benckendorff himself, about whom the Decembrists themselves spoke with sympathy.

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: KlausP

does not prove that the General Staff was involved in their political victory.

To their victory? Do you think the Bolsheviks won in 1917?

I don't think so. In fact, after the Great October Socialist Revolution, the majority in the party belonged to Trotskyists. For every Bolshevik there were about 8 Trotskyists, etc. Decisions in the party are made by a majority vote. In fact, after the revolution, the country was ruled by Trotskyists, from behind the Bolsheviks, which today allows them to accuse the Bolsheviks of the genocide that they committed.

In 1996, Trotskyist Zyuganov handed over power to Vlasovite Yeltsin. Tomorrow, Trotskyists will accuse Vlasovites of perestroika...

Only after the "Lenin Call" (1924) did the Bolsheviks' numbers "below" become dominant. Trotsky fled to Turkey only at the end of 1929. Stalin dissolved the International only in the spring of 1945. Only in 1945 can we consider that the Bolsheviks fully govern the country.

[Konnick]

My great-grandfather Tokunov Pavel Alekseevich, born in 1891, on the far left, was called up to the militia because he had completed his compulsory military service.

[Or me]

Eternal Memory! We stood firm then, we will stand firm now!

[foxes]

It was not just a "tough test"; this conflict became the gravedigger of monarchies.

[Galina Mylnikova]

Near Grodno, in the area of the Augustow Canal, there are half-ruined fortifications of the headquarters of the army of the Western Front of the Russian Empire (I can't vouch for the exact name), and next to them there are two obelisks to Russian and Polish soldiers who died in these places. Nearby I saw the house of the last worker-controller at the Augustow Canal locks, met his relative, a nice Polish woman, who showed me bullet holes on the houses where Russian and Polish soldiers fought shoulder to shoulder. I cried with her. This was in 2009. And again Europe smelled of gunpowder... It's terrible.

[Comrade Beria]

For Russia, this armed conflict was a very difficult test. Our country lost up to two million of its citizens in it. It was even harder for it later – when the empire collapsed, and an even more terrible war – the Civil War – broke out on its ruins.

Thanks to grandfather Lenin.

In 1915, after the war began, Lenin published an article, “On the Defeat of His Government in the Imperialist War,” where he spoke about the transformation of the imperialist war into a civil war.

The essence of this slogan is quite clear: Lenin used the natural desire of a person to "hide" from the war. The soldiers at that time were almost entirely peasants, who for obvious reasons were drawn home to farm. For them, the opportunity to leave the active army, save their lives and return to peaceful labor was very attractive. It is no coincidence that in 1917, reserve regiments, foolishly concentrated near the capital, immediately went over to the side of the revolution. Instead of sending them to the front, these regiments preferred to participate in a relatively safe coup.
Lenin's slogan found a response and everything happened exactly as it did. The civil war in Russia lasted until 1922. According to various estimates, from 10 to 17 million people died in it, mostly civilians. Another 2 million not the worst people left Russia. For comparison: before the abdication of the Tsar, Russia lost much less in the killed in the entire war - 0,8 million people.
Russia's withdrawal from the war, provoked by the Bolsheviks, led to heavy international and domestic losses. One of the consequences was that when concluding the Brest Peace, the Germans recognized the Ukrainian nationalists as an independent party to the negotiations. It seemed that Germany's military defeat, the return of Ukrainian territories and Lenin's generous territorial gifts had healed the situation, but no: everything is still seething. The Germans encouraged the Ukrainian Nazis during World War II, and they support them now. Considering that the idea of delivering Lenin to seething Russia was also thought up by the German General Staff, the entire political structure looks quite monolithic.
Russia, having betrayed its allies, did not receive the Bosphorus, which was promised to it by the Entente, therefore the Black Sea is today effectively “in charge” of Türkiye.
This is the price of political unprincipledness in the struggle for power. We saw a repeat of this in the late 80s and early 90s.

[glock-17]

A completely objective historical analysis of those tragic times. Unfortunately, most people here on the site do not want to see this. We must always remember that the original goal of the Bolsheviks was not the salvation of Russia, but a world proletarian revolution. This idea had to be abandoned only after Tukhachevsky's failed march on Warsaw.

[Grancer81]

And who came up with the idea of delivering comrade Trotsky from the USA to Russia? And what "generous" territorial gifts did the Germans receive from the Bolsheviks? If this is about Ukraine, then it is not so.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

And what "generous" territorial gifts did the Germans receive from the Bolsheviks?

Not small:

Brest peace

Under the terms of the Brest Peace of March 1918, the RSFSR was obligated to:
not to lay claim to the Baltics (see Baltic Duchy and Kingdom of Lithuania) and part of modern Belarus;
withdraw troops from Finland and Ukraine, recognize the Ukrainian People's Republic as an independent state;
withdraw troops from the territory of the Ottoman Empire, as well as transfer to it the districts of Ardahan, Batum and Kars;
accept the trade regime with the German Empire of 1904;
demobilize the army and disarm the navy;
stop revolutionary propaganda in the Central Powers and their allied states.

Territorial losses
There were discrepancies in the historical literature regarding the exact losses of territory of the former Russian Empire as a result of the peace treaty: thus, Pavlovich wrote that 707 square miles (or 000% of the total territory) and 4% of the population were ceded; however, in most cases it was said what part of European territory Russia lost (26%).
As a result, according to Diana Siebert’s calculations, the agreements provided for the separation of about 660 square miles (including Kholmshchyna) or 000 square miles together with the “Vistula provinces” (Polish lands, without Kholmshchyna). The Ottoman Empire received areas with an area of ​​760 square miles, and the loss of Finland added another 000 miles, which in total gave 17 square miles, or 000 square kilometers.

Human and industrial losses
To the west of the Hoffmann Line lived 56 million people (about a third of the population of the European part of the Russian Empire) and before 1917 there were: 27-33% of the cultivated agricultural land (37-48% of the grain harvested), 26% of the entire railway network, 33% of the textile industry, 73% of the iron and steel was smelted, 89% of the coal was mined and 90% of the sugar was produced; there were 918 textile factories, 574 breweries, 133 tobacco factories, 1685 distilleries, 244 chemical plants, 615 pulp mills, 1073 machine-building plants (which together constituted 32% of the state revenues) and where 40% of the industrial workers lived.

Fortunately, Germany capitulated in November 1918 and the Brest Peace Treaty could be forgotten.

[tatra]

Well, if Nicholas II had not surrendered huge territories of Russia to the Germans, then the Bolsheviks would not have had to clean up all of this after him.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

If Nicholas II had not surrendered huge territories of Russia to the Germans, then the Bolsheviks would not have had to clean up all of this after him

Well, since we started using the subjunctive mood, if the Bolsheviks had not seized power and concluded the Brest Peace Treaty to preserve it, all the territories surrendered by Russia would have returned after Germany's capitulation. Including Poland, Finland and the Baltics. Possibly even with the Bosphorus. And by the way, there would have been no trace of Ukraine either.
But history does not know the subjunctive mood, so we do not know what could have been if the Bolsheviks had not seized power. But we know for sure what happened - the Civil War, devastation, famine with total losses of up to twenty million people. Well, and equality, brotherhood, universal justice and national happiness, of course.

[Grancer81]

So they returned after 1945. And other states also found themselves in the sphere of influence.
And the Tsarist and Provisional governments did everything possible to ensure that the Bolsheviks, together with the Left Socialist Revolutionaries and anarchists, seized power. And the impossible, too.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

So they came back after 1945.

a) Poland, Finland, Bosphorus?
b) At what cost.

Quote: Grencer81

the tsarist and Provisional governments did everything possible to ensure that the Bolsheviks ... seized power

Exactly. If women didn't wear short skirts, they wouldn't be raped...

[Grancer81]

Bulgaria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, part of Germany...
The Tsarist and Provisional governments are not girls, in all places...
When 80% of the country’s population are peasants, and 80% of the land is not theirs, then sooner or later what happened would have happened, especially since before the Bolsheviks no one was going to resolve the land issue.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

Bulgaria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, part of Germany

Remind me where all these... comrades, allies, parasites - I don't know what the correct way to say it is - are now.

Quote: Grencer81

The Tsarist and Provisional governments are not girls, in all places

Likewise, the Bolsheviks are not lustful males.

Quote: Grencer81

When 80% of the country's population are peasants, and 80% of the land is not theirs, then sooner or later what happened would have happened.

Would... Or not. But after the revolution it definitely happened.

[Grancer81]

And so the revolution happened because of this... And how they "loved" Russian men and peasants, your honors, I personally saw on the back of my maternal grandfather.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

the revolution happened because of this

Which one exactly and why?

Quote: Grencer81

how they "loved" Russian men, peasants, your honors

I haven't seen anything like that. So what?
And my maternal grandfather, a simple Ural man, said that before the revolution, only those who were lazy to work lived poorly.

[Grancer81]

What does "lived poorly" have to do with it? I wrote about something completely different.

[Grancer81]

Russia would never have received any Bosphorus from the so-called "allies" of the Entente. England would never have agreed to such a transfer.

[glock-17]

If they had continued to put pressure on the Turks as Yudenich did and taken Constantinople, then England would have just thrown up its hands.

[Grancer81]

If it were at grandma's... It would be in the way. The Turks would have surrendered Constantinople to the same Englishmen faster...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

If grandma had... The Turks would have given up faster

Well, your “the Turks would” is also “if only grandma had.”

[Grancer81]

That is true, but it is based on the analysis of the behavior of the so-called "British allies".

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

based on analytics

And what analysts and their analytics are worth is well known.

[Grancer81]

"England has no friends. England has no enemies. England has only its own interests"...
And give the Straits to the Russians? Never!

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

And give the Straits to the Russians? Never!

After the First World War, England was in no condition to pump up rights and butt heads over some Turkish straits – their empire began to fall apart. Ireland had a war of independence, Mahatma Gandhi appeared in India, and even Canada and Australia began to look for an exit.

[Grancer81]

She could have fought quite decently for the Straits. The Grand Fleet was much stronger than the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

[Grancer81]

I wonder how to dispute this?

[glock-17]

Here we need to look at the context in which this was said and in what historical period. It is unlikely that he thought so before his execution by the Bolsheviks.

[Grancer81]

I wonder how the Bolsheviks could have "executed" him if he died in France in 1933?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Grencer81

and how can I dispute this?

Elementary, Watson: Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov could not have written the word "nobody" as "not who". This is the spelling of modern educated people, and not of an educated person of the early twentieth century. This is, first of all.
Secondly, there is not a single piece of proof of the original source on the Internet, and all links lead to pro-communist resources.

[tatra]

Well, of course, if the enemies of the USSR do not like the truth, you declare it a lie. These words are from the memoirs of the Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, written in exile. It is sold all over the Internet.

[Paranoid62]

Quote: tatra

It is sold all over the internet.

Is she words? Or a memoir?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: tatra

These words are from the memoirs of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich

You have, of course, read these memoirs, and therefore it would not be too much trouble for you to provide proof? Isn't it true?

[P]

1 to reset the cause and beneficiaries of the world war - absolutely correct 2 to reset the state that is throwing you for the sake of a benefit that has nothing to do with you - absolutely correct 3 a believer in the straits is a finalized person)

[kill the fascist]

"Sometimes there are no names left of the heroes of bygone times..." (c)
Everlasting memory!