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What happens if the Minister of Education Livanova is dismissed?

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It seems that in the absence of such a person as Anatoly Serdyukov in the Russian government, all popular “love” has spread to the head of the Ministry of Education and Science, Mr. Livanov. And if the publication “Military Review”, which is not indifferent to the present and future of the Russian education system, began to draw readers' attention to Lebanon, excuse me, for a long time, then only today the activities of the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation and the ministry headed by him began to be interested, let's say, real wide.


The matter even reached the point that the main educational reformer of the country, who continued Andrei Fursenko’s “great achievements”, got into the topical issues of the Russian Twitter segment. The name of Dmitry Viktorovich was thoroughly highlighted in the service of microblogging in a very eloquent form. #LivanovDavayDOsVidaniya...

This phrase is the quintessence of that all-Russian discontent with the policies of the ministry as a whole and its leader in particular, which has been rapidly gaining momentum lately. The Russian public, expecting “in exchange” for Fursenko, an initiative and soul-sick minister for the domestic system of education and science, received a kind of clone, which periodically allowed itself to issue such tirades from which people from that very environment of education and science looked at each other and turned their eyes to the side.

What happens if the Minister of Education Livanova is dismissed?
Minister of Education and Science of Russia Dmitry Livanov. Photo: Dmitry Dukhanin / Kommersant


We present to your attention a selection of quotes that have made a lot of noise from the currently acting Minister of Education of the Russian Federation.

Dmitry Livanov about Russian science:

I believe that this form of organization of science in the 21-th century is unpromising. She will not live, she is not viable. But she lives with us ... What I depend on, I will do in order for this situation to change.

It turns out that Dmitry Viktorovich directly declares that he is ready to go to any length, so that the system of organization of Russian science ceases to live at all. Well, if translated into the category of medicine, then the meaning is approximately as follows. The doctor bent over the patient and said: of course, the patient will not live, but while he is still breathing. And I will do everything that depends on me to stop breathing as quickly as possible ...

A sort of Mr. Euthanasia for education and science.

Dmitry Livanov on education reform:

If in 10-15 years such a public consensus is fixed, one can safely say that we have achieved the final result of the changes that are taking place today.


Analyzing this statement, one can come to the conclusion that, in the opinion of the Minister of Education, only after a decade and a half Russia will be able to reach a common opinion on the reform. But here Dmitry Viktorovich should uncover the mystery: the public consensus on the implemented model of education reform in Russia has already been reached: the overwhelming majority of people see the variations of educational system reform evident in the chosen Ministry of Education as obvious and huge drawbacks, beyond which any existing advantages are barely distinguishable.

Dmitry Livanov on closing or transforming "inefficient" universities:

We voted, colleagues, why go back?


This is a kind of ministerial version of the famous phrase "Carthage must be destroyed." Indeed, if we started to tear down, then “why go back” and think about the deed, giving in to the desire to fix something after all ...

Dmitry Livanov on paid higher education:

As soon as we get away from universal free higher education, mechanisms will appear that will help attract valuable personnel to enterprises. For example, an educational loan. If a good education is expensive and the person is forced to pay for it, he will be able to take out a loan, and the future employer will pay it in exchange for obligations.


Amazing words for a person who positions himself as a government official, advocating the development of Russian science and education. If we even reach the point where the educational sphere is relocated on credit rails, then this system will have to put a large oak cross. Can you imagine the crowd of employers who will repay their educational loans for their potential subordinates? .. If such employers exist in Russia, then they will be able to erect bronze monuments with statues up to their full height.

Well, and finally, the main pearl Dmitry Livanov on how to properly vote on a particular issue:

You're about ... Look here.


Unfortunately, we cannot give the full version of this ministerial quote to our subordinate, which appeared not so long ago on live television, for moral and ethical reasons. But on 99%, the activists of the notorious movement FEMEN, who quoted Dmitry Viktorovich with small bills on their half-naked bodies, could afford it, and also entering the trend, demanded the resignation of Livanov ... It is noteworthy that the “vocal” girls “excited” news not about the strangeness of reforming the education system in Russia, but the total introduction of the Antiplagiat system in Russian universities. This introduction, according to FEMEN, can provoke widespread harassment of female students by university professors. They say, Livanov, do not block off the oxygen they write off ... Well, a kind of answer to the Lebanon logic ...

However, all twitter trends and performances of girls with a naked torso is one thing, but the collection of signatures by State Duma deputies for the resignation of an ineffective minister is quite another. The initiative to "build" Dmitry Livanov in the "rank" of the EX-Minister is being acted upon at once by three Duma factions: the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, justice and the Liberal Democratic Party. In addition, supporters of the resignation of the Minister of Education and Science are in the party of power. In particular, a deputy from the United Russia faction Vladimir Burmatov (deputy chairman of the Duma Committee on Education and Science), who not so long ago, responding to the Military Review question about why the Committee could not counteract the promotion of the ambiguous Education Act, said that this document was concocted at the Ministry of Education and Science, and the Committee could not counteract these developments, decided to strike at the Ministry of Education from the other side. Burmatov decided to check the activities of such a university as MISiS for the period when Dmitry Livanov was at the helm of this university. According to Vladimir Burmatov, it was precisely at that time that the 57 of millions of budget rubles evaporated at the university, and the criminal case on this issue was hushed up. Now the Chamber has to verify this information. If the data about which the deputy Burmatov speaks turns out to be reliable, then new questions will be added to Livanov, and not only in terms of educational reform ...

And now about what will happen if Livanov is really decided to dismiss. If we take into account that we (something to hide) were happy about the resignation of the previous minister Fursenko and pinned hopes on the minister of the new (Livanov, in fact), will the Lebanon resignation bring positive results for Russian education and science? Since the task is to complete the initiated (dubious reform option) to the end, here Livanov is just an ordinary member of this reform, who conducted it on certain patterns that he inherited from the previous leadership of the ministry. And so one Livanov will leave - another Livanov will come, who will also first be met with applause, and then we will begin to scratch our heads ...

It turns out that the change of the Fursenko-Livanovs' places will not change the result as long as the plans of the chosen reform option themselves are methodically put into practice.

In general, Dmitry Viktorovich, if you really stand up for the development of the Russian scientific and educational system, then it is time to finish making a garden. You did not take loans for training at one time ... But your university, because there were no “sufficient” foreigners in it, and you clearly had problems with “self-sufficiency”, did not record ineffective ones. And the system in which the Nobel Prize winners in physics work was not recorded as unviable. And for some reason, at that time no one had any questions about the quality of education and science in the country. So, the dog is buried in a slightly different place ...
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  1. mark1
    mark1 April 17 2013 08: 55 New
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    "What happens if Education Minister Livanov is fired?"
    And the same as after the resignation of Serdyukov - the directors and rectors will drink for a week.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky April 17 2013 09: 01 New
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      Quote: mark1
      And the same as after the resignation of Serdyukov - the directors and rectors will drink for a week.

      What the grandmother would whisper, only the author of the article is right
      And therefore, one Livanov will leave - the other Livanov will come, whom we will also first meet with applause, and then we will begin to scratch the back of his head ...
      not Livanov’s business .... yes, and in those who appoint the Livanovs ..
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 17 2013 09: 23 New
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        Quote: Tersky
        not Livanov’s business .... but in those who appoint Livanov’s ..


        The Yeltsin case Lives and conquers
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort April 17 2013 09: 35 New
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          Quote: Vadivak
          The Yeltsin case Lives and conquers

          But what’s already there ... Let’s immediately remember Rurik, it’s not from there the roots of all troubles lol Boriska, of course, is still the same ... But after him 12 years have passed, as it were. No?
        2. Tersky
          Tersky April 17 2013 10: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: Vadivak
          The Yeltsin case Lives and conquers

          Vadim, good health! That’s shitty that lives and in addition wins. Initially, everything is cut down in the bud ..
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 17 2013 16: 30 New
            +5
            Quote: Tersky
            Vadim, good health! This is shitty that lives


            Vitya and hello to you. And where to go if that team didn’t die yet
        3. vezunchik
          vezunchik April 17 2013 10: 29 New
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          All practically reforms led the country to a standstill. And it must be admitted! Education medicine is a retirement economic military1 And joining the WTO did not bring tangible results. GDP is practically at zero ... What next ????
          As guys don’t sit down, everyone is not good at musicians ....
          1. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt April 17 2013 11: 07 New
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            By joining the WTO, we documented the fact that we opened our market. And it was open since the time of EBN, so that nifiga has not changed, and could not change.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic April 18 2013 00: 12 New
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              Quote: Grishka100watt
              By joining the WTO, we documented the fact that we opened our market. And it was open since the time of EBN, so that nifiga has not changed, and could not change.


              Throughout the WTO, the fact of the matter is that we haven’t documented a damn thing ... We entered in order to enter ... even without really reading the documents. and now officials from the government themselves do not know how they now continue to work in the conditions of the WTO or do not want to know because the absence of Russian regulatory acts in no way hits their own pockets and does not affect the amount of rollback. It’s easier to admit, as the Ministry of Agriculture did, that 3/4 of the country's territory is unfavorable for agriculture, than to defend the interests of their own country within the framework of that organization, for which they, the liberals, advocated joining. All industrial countries developed in the conditions of protectionism, that is, strict protection of own production from any competitors from outside. And the WTO is precisely the organization that prohibits such protectionism. Any subsidies to enterprises, protection of their products from similar imports, and so on. In order to master a new production, it is necessary to protect it from any competition for some time, otherwise the development of such a production will simply be unprofitable,
              China, India, South Korea, France, Great Britain, Germany and other countries were first modernized, and then joined the WTO.
              And here is an example of Ukraine. Ukraine is the breadbasket. Fertile soil, hardworking peasants. But in 2008, the country joined the WTO ...
              “In the 2009st quarter of 6,9, 103 thousand tons of oil and fats were imported to Ukraine, which is 0,5 times more than the corresponding period. As a result, the share of imports in the total supply of oil in the domestic market increased from 2008% in 40 to XNUMX% in the current. This was reported in the Ukrainian Agrarian Confederation (UAK). “If this trend continues, then Ukraine will be thrown with imported oil and domestic producers, at best, all that remains is to pack imported products”
              , - believes the head of the UAK project Alexander Yaroslavsky.
              “Ukraine, in connection with its membership in the WTO, refused to introduce export subsidies, and it will be problematic for it to increase the import duty,” A. Yaroslavsky is convinced. - The level of state support, given the limited means of the state budget, is significantly limited. Thus, domestic producers of raw milk and milk processing enterprises were left face to face with global problems. ”

              It is known that in the West, dairy products are subsidized. After lowering import duties, it will be almost impossible to compete with Western manufacturers, and many enterprises across the country will be on the verge of bankruptcy. As a result, all or almost all of Russia's dairy industry will be bent, and thousands of people in villages will be left without work. Well, as we sold oil and gas, we will continue to sell it because they are not regulated by any WTO rules.
              A dairy can fight cheap imported yoghurts (which are cheap because their producer was cheap) for several years, but sooner or later it will go bankrupt. The cheapness of money abroad - namely, in the WTO member countries for which we open our domestic markets - will lead to the defeat of our industry. This is one of the most painful consequences of Russia's entry into the WTO. Since the fact that the markets of the “civilized” world will open to us, we are neither cold nor hot - because we have nothing to export there.
              1. Kaa
                Kaa April 18 2013 00: 47 New
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                Quote: Ascetic
                With the omission of the WTO, the fact of the matter is that not a damn documented.
                Or maybe this is the homespun truth of life, is it homespun, scanty and condo? There are documents - there is a problem, no - no and no trial ...
                While the Russian Gazprom
                there is a mixture of methane-propane-butane
                In his calm home
                Ivan sneezed at the WTO!
                "And they will not take it - turn off the gas!" An example comes from the USSR. We officially recognized patent law, and we copied Tu-4. 70% of the drugs were "native to the West", only with Soviet names. When did they pay the tsar’s debts? Someone imposed penalties? Unless in pants, sorry. That's when we switched in 1991, then all sorts of sanctions, fines, etc. will come in. There will be power - we will adjust the WTO to fit our vision. Actually, I’m a pessimist, but it’s a well-informed optimist. an optimist clutches his head in the belief that it will not be worse, and a pessimist - confident that it will be even worse. And worse than in the 90s it is unlikely to be ... if no one "blows the fire of the world"
        4. vadimN
          vadimN April 17 2013 12: 36 New
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          Quote: Vadivak
          The Yeltsin case Lives and conquers


          Stop kicking the corpse already. After Yeltsin for nearly 20 years, someone else steers ... (remind a surname?). Although, you are right - having replaced verbal husk with clever-patriotic speeches, the thing is he continues the previous one - a quiet ditching of Russia as a powerful state.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 17 2013 16: 31 New
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            Quote: vadimN
            Stop kicking the corpse already. After Yeltsin for nearly 20 years, someone else steers ...


            Namesake forgot to add, someone successor
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 17 2013 09: 27 New
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        Quote: Tersky
        not Livanov’s business .... but to those who appoint Livanov’s ..

        Livanov, no one will argue, a furious successor to the Fursenko affair.
        The question is where is Fursenko right now? Answer: Advisor to the President, in the presidential administration.
        I think there is no doubt that the fact that everything that Livanov does is agreed with the president and his administration.
        Even if Livanov is dismissed, nothing will change in education, the concept adopted by Fursenko in 2004 with the blessing of Putin will continue to be implemented.
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt April 17 2013 11: 08 New
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          Putin must be removed and put you.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 April 17 2013 11: 14 New
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            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Putin must be removed and put you.

            I'm not against.
            Elite coffins began to cook. 700 thousand is not such a big price for the happiness of our children.
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt April 17 2013 11: 39 New
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              I'm not against.

              And your gut will not be thin? And the people will be against it.
              1. Normal
                Normal April 17 2013 11: 59 New
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                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Putin must be removed and put you.

                Quote: baltika-18
                I'm not against.

                Quote: Grishka100watt
                And your gut will not be thin?


                Then let's put you down. Your gut seems to be quite thick. You 140 press from the chest. laughing
                1. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt April 17 2013 12: 09 New
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                  Then let's put you down. Your gut seems to be quite thick. You 140 press from the chest.


                  Our thinking is different. I do not seek power. I wish the country good, and I know that I can’t manage it.

                  But I have enough mind to see what is happening and draw conclusions.
                  Russia was lucky to have such a leader.

                  As for my athletic performance - well, there’s nothing to laugh at objectively.

                  And the fourth: you trolls, stupid initiative tips and Judas.
                  1. d.gksueyjd
                    d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 12: 51 New
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                    Such people who wished "a country of good" brought Yeltsin to power with Chubais and Gaidar, and then voted for Medvedev, etc., etc. From such "well-wishers", Russia has been on its knees for over 20 years!
                    1. Grishka100watt
                      Grishka100watt April 17 2013 15: 02 New
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                      Such people who wished "a country of good" brought Yeltsin to power with Chubais and Gaidar, and then voted for Medvedev, etc., etc. From such "well-wishers", Russia has been on its knees for over 20 years!


                      I did not vote for Medvedev; I do not put Chubais Gaidar and Yeltsin on a par with Putin.
                      Who they are, I know, childhood passed in 90 - this is not forgotten.

                      Livanov must be kicked in the ass, put the one who will comply with the instructions of the president, not the State Department.

                      In general, it’s a pity that you personally didn’t want to say this to me, and so I wrote on the forum. You fell a little, since you write this.
                      I didn’t answer you - I explained to people who are on the forum thread.
                      1. vadimN
                        vadimN April 17 2013 15: 29 New
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                        Quote: Grishka100watt
                        I did not vote for Medvedev; I do not put Chubais Gaidar and Yeltsin on a par with Putin.
                        Who they are, I know, childhood passed in 90 - this is not forgotten.


                        And here in 90 I was the very age to watch, think, compare ... And I remember where Putin came from. I remember how in the same 90 in St. Petersburg about Putin there were a lot of publications about his participation in all kinds of gray business at Sobchak’s court ... I remember how the same Yeltsin presented his country as a successor ... And does anyone really think that under the total rule of the Americans in the Russian government in Yeltsin’s times, would they allow the “patriotic personality” to be enthroned ?? Haha

                        After the Yeltsin mess, Putin was in demand both by the people of the country and the ruling backstage! And then their interests coincided with ours.
                        And here's the thing: a further mess threatened with a social explosion. And as you know from history, any social explosion in Russia ends with a lot of blood, devastation and the revival of the country, but already behind the Iron Curtain and even stronger. And who needs it? None of those who "rule the world."
                        they need a calm, moronic, religious, ruled country that will obediently pump resources to the West and not pretend to anything ... And this can be achieved by calm, non-military methods - Fursenkov’s reforms of education and science (so that they won’t be smart), health care reform (to make the excess faster), by destroying their high-tech industry (they will do television for us in China, our destiny is to pump oil), and replace the obstinate Russian population with foreign migrants.

                        And for all this to come to life peacefully, we need a bayan cat who can sing patriotic tales, calm the people and pretend to be a struggle for the country ... Putin was ideally suited for this role from the whole Yeltsin circle. he was chosen by the ruling imperialist and Zionist “backstage”.
                        ... Do not worship the words! Analyze actions and compare them with words! And everything will become clear ...
                      2. Grishka100watt
                        Grishka100watt April 17 2013 16: 10 New
                        +2
                        Putin was perfect. he was chosen by the ruling imperialist and Zionist “backstage”.
                        ... Do not worship the words! Analyze actions and compare them with words! And everything will become clear.


                        Putin remained in power because Yeltsin put him in such a way that it was impossible to do anything - he announced this in a New Year’s speech.
                        Perhaps he hoped that he would be able to save the country (although I do not condone Yeltsin and treat him sharply negatively).

                        Moderately patriotic power came to power in the person of Putin (moderately because there was not much real power). After 1991, Russia was ruled, and now it is partially ruled by America, and a sharp change of course could only occur through an armed uprising (which, incidentally, was in 1993 and was drowned in its own blood).

                        And now the facts.

                        So, Putin came to power and began to struggle with the American occupation management system. First of all, he dealt with the question of the Chechen Republic, preventing the collapse of Russia, which was documented in the Khasavyurt agreements signed by A. Lebed. According to them, Chechnya itself could determine its status and sovereignty 3 years after their signing. This means that it would 100% withdraw from the Russian Federation. Try to explain this to other subjects of the federation. Decay.

                        Secondly, Putin broke off production-sharing agreements, according to which foreign oil companies operating in the territory of the Russian Federation, paid off their expenses at the expense of Russian oil itself. They entered the costs the devil knows that, and Russia, of course, did not get any profit from the extracted oil.
                        This contract was torn.

                        And how, do you still think that Putin has put the world behind the scenes ??
                      3. Alex_g23r
                        Alex_g23r April 18 2013 13: 48 New
                        +1
                        > And how, do you still think that Putin put the world behind the scenes ??

                        It's not about the world behind the scenes, but about the fact that Education is heading into the abyss, people are getting dull.
                      4. Grishka100watt
                        Grishka100watt April 19 2013 18: 27 New
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                        It's about her. I replied to the comment.
                  2. Alexander
                    Alexander April 17 2013 17: 19 New
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                    Well, you don’t just have to talk about TVs **. In Russia, 70% of TVs (and plasma, LCD) of the domestic production, however, are licensed.
                  3. Waterfall
                    Waterfall April 17 2013 17: 23 New
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                    Glue stickers "maid in rush" is not domestic production at all.
                  4. kostella85
                    kostella85 April 17 2013 18: 45 New
                    +3
                    With me in 2008, the plasma TV AELITA exploded right at a meeting dedicated to improving the quality of these TVs !!! laughing (Plasma was Chinese Samsung) Very much after that the meeting revived laughing
                  5. vadimN
                    vadimN April 18 2013 14: 57 New
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                    Quote: Alexander
                    Well, you don’t just have to talk about TVs **. In Russia, 70% of TVs (and plasma, LCD) of the domestic production, however, are licensed.


                    And here we collect cool cars! Ford, Hyundai, Nissan, GM, VW, Mazda ....
                    .... ONLY WHAT DOES THE RUSSIAN SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, TECHNOLOGY HAVE ATTITUDE TO THIS? ... only such that yesterday's Russian engineers, having left the shuttle shuttle, stood up as hard workers on conveyors. And what we develop ourselves (AVTOVAZ) - as it was a bucket, so it remains ...
          2. Normal
            Normal April 17 2013 16: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Our thinking is different.


            It is obvious.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            . I do not seek power.


            Similarly.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            I wish the country good, and I know that I can’t manage it.


            Imagine that not only those who are for the GDP wish the country good. And I will even say more; judging by the reforms carried out under the guise of Putin, critics of his course want the country well more than its supporters.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            But I have enough mind to see what is happening and draw conclusions.


            Judging by your posts, this is not true.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Russia was lucky to have such a leader.


            Here is the confirmation.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            As for my athletic performance - well, there’s nothing to laugh at objectively.


            Of course. Your athletic performance is worthy of respect. But this is not a bodybuilding site. It’s not funny results, but the fact that you boast about them.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            And the fourth: you trolls, stupid initiative tips and Judas.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            You fell a little, since you write this.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            bother come on yes smelling green work?

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            I think you go to the plus site to earn yes to drain the negative without an answer. Your place is on a par with bulk and German.

            I have no desire to argue with you anymore. For me your identity is clear
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt April 17 2013 16: 22 New
              -2
              Sorry, I do not want to feed the trololo sitting inside you.
            2. Normal
              Normal April 17 2013 18: 06 New
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              To the previous post.

              The above quotes from your posts show that you have no arguments and this is compensated by evaluative statements.
              The reception is old and famous. You can also, if not with what to answer, accuse your opponent of trolling:
              Quote: Grishka100watt
              I do not want to feed the trololo sitting inside you

              Do not want - do not laughing Not really wanted. We are too full today lol You have to go to the rocking chair; there you get better. hi
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 17 2013 12: 01 New
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        Quote: Grishka100watt
        And your gut will not be thin? And the people will be against it.

        The intestines of all are the same, dear Grisha.
        Well, if you consider yourself an spokesman for the will of the people ..... what
        Perhaps I will not say anything.
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt April 17 2013 12: 19 New
          +1
          Well, if you consider yourself an spokesman for the will of the people .....
          Perhaps I will not say anything.

          It would be nice.
          So, have you imagined yourself as such? Where do you live in general? In Russia?

          Are you here of your own free will, on the site?

          Do you have any idea what to do and whom to put in place of the current president?

          Or are you so, go bother and go smelling green to work?
          1. d.gksueyjd
            d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 12: 53 New
            -1
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Do you have any idea what to do and whom to put in place of the current president?

            Kvachkova!
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 April 17 2013 13: 54 New
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            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Where do you live in general? In Russia?

            In the Ivanovo region.
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Are you here of your own free will, on the site?

            And you see by the will of rock?
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Do you have any idea what to do and whom to put in place of the current president?

            Well, I suggested myself. At first, few knew Stalin either.
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Or are you so, go bother

            Sometimes yes.....
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            yes smelling green work

            Well, this is a standard argument for you guys when there’s nothing to answer. We’re the "State Department agent", the main thing is louder, what would ........ (Here I will rephrase Pushkin)
            "Sovereign Putin noticed us
            And going down into the coffin he blessed ... "
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt April 17 2013 14: 33 New
              0
              Well, I suggested myself. At first, few knew Stalin either.


              laughing
              Well, you are not doing that activity then.
              Go to deputies and so on and so forth. Well, I will not explain to you, a promising future politician, yes)

              Stalin still inserted, but how, without populist slogans nowhere now)

              I think you go to the plus site to earn yes to drain the negative without an answer. Your place is on a par with bulk and German.

              I have no desire to argue with you anymore. For me, your identity is clear. And yes, I forgot - you are far from Stalin yes
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 April 17 2013 15: 05 New
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                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Well, you are not doing that activity then.

                I have a funeral home. wassat
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Stalin still inserted

                Closest to the ideal of a leader.
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                I think you go to the plus site to earn

                Find out what people think.
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Your place is on a par with bulk and German.

                Well, if you think I’m with them, then you, dear, are among Fursenko, Golikov, Serdyukov.
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                I have no desire to argue with you anymore

                So don’t argue, take it for granted and enjoy.
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                For me your identity is clear

                Well, for me, in principle, too. You can still be corrected, a person who is not completely lost for the country.
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                And yes, I forgot - you are far from Stalin

                Of course not. Everyone is good in the strictly allotted time for him.
                It is impossible not to play any role if the game did not assume this role.
                You do not know what will happen tomorrow, you are afraid. For you, change, this is the collapse of everything.
                A well-functioning life, a feeding trough, some respect in society, in the circle of those with whom you communicate. A comfortable chair after work, slippers, a TV with a computer, a beloved woman nearby. What else is needed? What changes? Everything is good and true.
                Petty bourgeoisie ruined many individual individuals.
              2. dmb
                dmb April 17 2013 19: 55 New
                +1
                Guys, what are you, right. The devils got in touch with the Arkhangelsk baby. Not only was he not aware of the rules of decency (strangers weren’t allowed to poke, he wasn’t reading anything from printed matter except for comments like Putinists). The conclusion was drawn from the set of “accusations” he hangs on opponents (practicing "green; friends Nemtsov and Navalny; live in Russia) Surprised that the agents of the State Department and Zh-Mna are not mentioned in addition. Does this not remind you of" squadrons "and American" movie heroes "?
              3. baltika-18
                baltika-18 April 17 2013 20: 15 New
                0
                Quote: dmb
                Guys, what are you, right. Contact the devils with the Arkhangelsk baby

                Well said. smile
              4. Normal
                Normal April 17 2013 22: 13 New
                0
                Quote: dmb
                The devils got in touch with the Arkhangelsk baby. Not only was he not aware of the rules of decency (strangers weren’t allowed to poke, he still reads nothing from printed materials except for comments like Putinists.
                Greetings, Dmitry.
                Well, it’s completely impossible to endure.
                At first there was a policeman. Well, it happens ...
                Then KaAtlon. These are not stupid. But the first is touchy like a boa constrictor
                "-They called the frog?"
                “Yes, a frog, and also an earthworm!” (Brought me to the emergency, moderator, because I pointed to his flood laughing ) The second is rude and narcissistic. But what to do - the world is not perfect.
                Then three-volt. wassat Here, at least take out the saints, but he is at least not touchy, and not vindictive. For this much is forgiven him.
                And here you are! Static Grishka angry from the gym. This is already a bust. Well, you can’t do that ... negative
              5. Kaa
                Kaa April 17 2013 22: 31 New
                0
                Quote: Normal
                But the first is touchy like a boa constrictor
                "-They called the frog?"
                “Yes, a frog, and also an earthworm!” (Brought me to the emergency, moderator, because I pointed to his flood

                Found something to be proud of, emergency ... laughing "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU" tongue
              6. Normal
                Normal April 17 2013 22: 37 New
                0
                Kaa
                Alas, I can’t answer because I don’t see your post. I’m not a moderator. laughing
              7. Normal
                Normal April 17 2013 22: 48 New
                0
                Kaa
                IM proud of? But how can you, BIG BROTHER? This is not my quality, but your flaw. tongue
                I can be proud (but I will not) that MY EM is empty, and YOUR EM are your skeletons in your closet. By the way, do you have them there? wink
            2. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt April 19 2013 18: 52 New
              0
              Ah ha haaa))) That's it, hell)))
              Support each other, such is your share
      4. Earthman
        Earthman April 17 2013 20: 06 New
        -1
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        Stalin still inserted, but how, without populist slogans nowhere now)

        Grishka, it seems to me you are from neoconspirologists of BER. you can convict me by calling a trololo, but an adherent of KOBy - that's for sure
  • k220150
    k220150 April 18 2013 13: 46 New
    0
    And without "E-rrroy" anywhere. The horror is not in him, but in us, those who have a bad head - read IP Pavlova "About the Russian mind."
  • Ustas
    Ustas April 17 2013 09: 41 New
    10
    Quote: Tersky
    And therefore, one Livanov will leave - the other Livanov will come, whom we will also first meet with applause, and then we will begin to scratch the back of his head ...
    not Livanov’s business .... but to those who appoint Livanov’s ..

    It’s necessary to leave the whole Cabinet, headed by the Prime Minister.
    1. Normal
      Normal April 17 2013 12: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Ustas
      It’s necessary to leave the whole Cabinet, headed by the Prime Minister.

      It's time.
      Only I think that the president will instruct DAMU to form the new cabinet again.
      The result is known in advance.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 17 2013 09: 56 New
    +2
    I applaud standing ... beautiful! said to the point .. hi
  • Rudakov
    Rudakov April 17 2013 11: 20 New
    0
    Not one, I would put 100 pluses.
  • vadimN
    vadimN April 17 2013 12: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Tersky
    not Livanov’s business .... but to those who appoint Livanov’s ..


    Exactly ... remember where Fursenko moved. Right! To the rank of Presidential Advisor on Education. Why wait for a change of course in this matter, if everyone remained in their places, only the names changed. And the course is carried out the same - the destruction of science and education, the lowering of the intellectual level of the Russian population, the inhibition of scientific and technological progress in the country in order to firmly settle in the outskirts of civilization. To pump oil to the west, you do not need a lot of literate ...
    These are the facts. And the rest of the word ...
  • k220150
    k220150 April 18 2013 13: 41 New
    0
    Sorrowful thoughts gnaw - the Ministry of Finance, the Central Bank, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Defense, ... Apparently something is wrong in the "conservatory".
  • donchepano
    donchepano April 17 2013 09: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: mark1
    What happens if Education Minister Livanov is fired? "


    It's time to drive
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. April 17 2013 09: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: donchepano
      It's time to drive


      Yeah ... like Golikov laughing

      Putin has rotation, rotation, and rotation again. About Medvedev, and no question, so - "man".
      1. Uncle
        Uncle April 17 2013 12: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        About Medvedev, and there is no question, so - "humane."

        This is the meaning of his mysterious appearance in the Kremlin. He was nothing, but became president.
  • Krilion
    Krilion April 17 2013 12: 06 New
    +2
    one idiot in the government will be less ...
  • starshina78
    starshina78 April 17 2013 20: 14 New
    +4
    This is a good optimistic comment about the booze, but the problem still exists, and this problem is not in Fursenko, and not in Livanov, but in the reform of education in general. They are only executors of what the Government intended. And it intended to completely abandon the Soviet model of education, in which we all (who studied in the USSR and after that captured this system) received multilateral knowledge and left the school with specific knowledge in all subjects . Those who wanted to get additional knowledge on subjects of interest to him, then went to electives, and FREE. The teachers had a plan for electives, and they were paid extra for them. At the end of the school (after 8 and 10 classes), full-fledged exams were conducted, on which the knowledge acquired by the student over the years of training was checked. Writings were written, exam papers in mathematics, that is, the student thought. It was not for nothing that Soviet education was considered the best in the world, which was repeatedly proved by students of Soviet schools at international general Olympiads. And most importantly, education was free and affordable. Now they are striving to smoothly switch to paid education from the first grade. That is, there is money, your child learns for a fee according to a special program, which is essentially a revised Soviet program, there is no money, your child studies according to a program where there is one lesson in mathematics per week, one in Russian, one in literature, etc. d. but a lot of physical education and labor training. See the difference in the programs? The trained rich elite is preparing, and the poor poorly educated, but physically strong, trained, the remaining mass is working. Higher education is again paid, and this is again a barrier to getting higher education by the poor, which means that the new education system will prepare boyars and slaves. Do you need this?
  • alex_asch
    alex_asch April 18 2013 18: 56 New
    0
    give Shoigu in the Ministry of Education !!!
  • fenix57
    fenix57 April 17 2013 08: 57 New
    15
    It would be very nice after Livanov to dismiss the entire Cabinet of Ministers. hiNaturally led by the "esteemed" LADIES.
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 17 2013 09: 01 New
      13
      DAM skip ahead
      1. Gari
        Gari April 17 2013 10: 52 New
        +3
        A photographer well done over his head as if the horns had grown
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr April 17 2013 15: 47 New
          +3
          Not the horn, but the halo of the holy great martyr. Everything is against him, and he "suffers" for Russian education
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 April 17 2013 15: 55 New
            0
            I like the first one in the column, but her breast would be from the third .......... winked
    2. INTER
      INTER April 17 2013 09: 36 New
      +3
      If sent, it will not be worse. Nowhere else to go!
  • albanec
    albanec April 17 2013 08: 58 New
    +8
    What happens if the Minister of Education Livanova is dismissed?
    I am sure that it will not get worse!
    laughing
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius April 17 2013 09: 00 New
    +2
    "What happens if Education Minister Livanov is fired?"

    Nothing good will happen. I do not see a single official who is able to take up this position with a positive effect. The collapse of the education system has passed the point of no return. Whoever now stands at the helm, but the chain reaction of decay can no longer be stopped. I am pessimistic. But, alas, the facts are on my side. recourse
    1. UFO
      UFO April 17 2013 09: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Iraclius
      I do not see a single official who is able to take up this position with a positive effect

      What candidates have already suggested? Am I overslept something? what I am sure that there are worthy ones; there are many smart people in this area. yes
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius April 17 2013 09: 25 New
        -2
        For example? From the scientific community, I do not know a single sensible administrator.
        Correct?
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. April 17 2013 10: 27 New
          -1
          I think that any honest person will do less harm if he had the opportunity to lead.
          And the Minister of Education, whoever leads them, I doubt that there would be freedom of action. I think the situation here and with how the Central Bank, we have no influence.
    2. ole
      ole April 17 2013 09: 15 New
      +1
      I read everything correctly and somewhere that these are the bison of the Yeltsin team that are reforming the education at the Higher School of Economics, so there will be no sense in changing the terms.
    3. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 17 2013 09: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Iraclius
      The collapse of the education system has passed the point of no return.

      "A nightmare of education: Bazarov drowned Mumu! (Video) trueinform.ru
    4. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 17 2013 09: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Iraclius
      The collapse of the education system has passed the point of no return.

      "A nightmare of education: Bazarov drowned Mumu (video)"
    5. albanec
      albanec April 17 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      I do not see a single official who is able to take up this position with a positive effect.
      Eh, again Sergei Kuzhugetovich call to have to smile
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 17 2013 11: 29 New
        +1
        So he is also an expert in education !!! belay
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 April 17 2013 12: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: albanec
          Eh, again Sergei Kuzhugetovich call to have to

          Quote: kostella85
          So he is also an expert in education !!!

          And still in construction ...... Fock at all times of the dock ....
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 April 17 2013 12: 16 New
            +3
            As they say - a gynecologist !!! laughing
      2. k220150
        k220150 April 18 2013 13: 57 New
        +1
        Knight and Cavalier of the Order of Malta ????
    6. pechv
      pechv April 17 2013 11: 59 New
      0
      It is important not to lose the main goal in particular. And the goal is the complete privatization of education, removing this burden from government agencies. It would be possible if we had at least a percent of 10 education support mechanisms in place in the United States (funds, programs, educational loans). But with our reality - how fast, how fast do we have an educational loan? - it ceases to be funny.
      The boss said, "To the morgue," then to the morgue.
  • krasin
    krasin April 17 2013 09: 01 New
    +5
    Medvedev is a steam locomotive, and Livanova is closing and order !!! drinks
    1. Alexander
      Alexander April 17 2013 20: 53 New
      +1
      Where? To hard labor?
  • Olego48
    Olego48 April 17 2013 09: 02 New
    +3
    Cool photo, like a "bull with horns" in the subject
  • Tersky
    Tersky April 17 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    Quote: mark1
    And the same as after the resignation of Serdyukov - the directors and rectors will drink for a week.

    What the grandmother would whisper, only the author of the article is right
    And therefore, one Livanov will leave - the other Livanov will come, whom we will also first meet with applause, and then we will begin to scratch the back of his head ...
    not Livanov’s business .... yes
    , and in those who appoint the Livanovs ..
  • Ribwort
    Ribwort April 17 2013 09: 08 New
    18
    Quote: "If a good education is expensive and a person is forced to pay for it, he will be able to take a loan ..."
    And if you can’t ??? The prospect of further debilitation of society is seen more clearly.
    What kind of "geniuses" need to be so easy and at one moment to do everything that they have been able to achieve over the past 70 years: free medicine, education, affordable housing, patriotic and moral education of youth ... Gentlemen, maybe I'm not objective? In addition to money, does our government care at all? What do we have in return from these ghouls? And why do we need this?
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 17 2013 11: 18 New
      +7
      Quote: Ribwort
      Quote: "If a good education is expensive and a person is forced to pay for it, he will be able to take a loan ..." And if he can’t ??? The prospect of further debilitation of society is seen more clearly.


      Everything is clear here - artificial selection !!!! There is a lot of money (Quote: "If a good education is expensive) - the children will be educated, there is no money - the way for children to caretakers !!!!
    2. Uncle
      Uncle April 17 2013 12: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Ribwort
      Gentlemen, maybe I'm not objective? In addition to money, does our government care at all?

      I agree, only the problem is even deeper, if only money bothered the minds of those in power, they don’t think about money at that level.
      Here was the story: [i] [i] After three hours of walking around the exhibition of the MAKS-2011 air show, the Prime Minister wanted ice cream. Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov, walking next to him, asked to buy him, promising to return 60 rubles later.

      The head of the Russian Technologies State Corporation Sergey Chemezov also wanted ice cream. The prime minister gave the seller 300 rubles, a voice was heard from behind: "Just give change." However, the seller did not have time to return 120 rubles.

      “I didn’t want to change 500 rubles,” explained Mr. Ivanov to the desire to borrow.

      “Fisted man Sergey Borisovich,” said Vladimir Putin. - After all, I received a pay yesterday. [/ I]
      The fate of Russia is there! Who are they? How many take on themselves?
      1. Normal
        Normal April 17 2013 12: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Uncle
        How many take on themselves?

        A lot ... Oh, a lot! They have entrusted themselves and bear ... They will not give this burden to anyone an unprecedented responsibility laughing
  • Arberes
    Arberes April 17 2013 09: 12 New
    17
    If this unfortunate bureaucrat is fired, the state system will save itself from a rare idiot! Justify your position.
    Probably everyone remembers how in DAGESTAN about three months ago several schoolgirls started going to school in hijabs? A scandal with religious overtones flared up. If some of the students begin to go to state school in Islamic attire and sit separately from other classmates, then personally, in my understanding, is this already a split in society on religious and national grounds? (This is my personal point of view).
    The school principal stops letting these schoolgirls go to school, the situation is heating up !!!
    And what does this rank minister LIVANOV do? HE publicly states that he is not at all against schoolgirls coming to school in hijabs !!!
    HE actually poured live water on the first trial shoots of our split with YOU friends of society!
    But interestingly, he did not even understand with his own brains that he was opening a PANDORA box! The next day, he used “suffocating” GDP on the Kremlin’s carpet, probably?
    AS THE CLASSIC “HE IS DELIVERED FROM MIND,” said, and I don’t even want to comment on his run over to the RAS!
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort April 17 2013 09: 19 New
      10
      Quote: Arberes
      AS THE CLASSIC SAID, “HE IS DELIVERED FROM MIND”

      And here is one more thing:
      "At the Academy of Sciences
      sits Prince Dunduk,
      They say, not by rank
      Dunduk is such an honor ...
      Why is he sitting?
      Because ..op there! "
      Pushkin
    2. SPQR1977
      SPQR1977 April 17 2013 10: 11 New
      +1
      Well, not in Dagestan, it was, but in the Stavropol Territory.
    3. Arberes
      Arberes April 17 2013 10: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: SPQR1977
      Well, not in Dagestan, it was, but in the Stavropol Territory.

      Yes you are right dear! hi
      I apologize!
      STAVROPOLIE!
    4. Shkodnik65
      Shkodnik65 April 17 2013 10: 56 New
      +4
      Probably everyone remembers how in DAGESTAN about three months ago several schoolgirls started going to school in hijabs?

      Correction - it was in Stavrapolye. But they were going to leave (so that the children could safely wear a zhizhab to school) in Dagestan. Well, the case, I agree, is out of the ordinary. In general, then Livanov was very similar to sorry ... tutu. Looking at him is a continuous gag reflex.
    5. Uncle
      Uncle April 17 2013 12: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Arberes
      But interestingly, he did not even understand with his own brains that he was opening a PANDORA box!

      Or maybe this is a calculated move? Is the minister bowing down to the comments of a teacher from a mountain village? Amid the flood of Russia by "Muslims" from Asia, this is water at a split mill, as you rightly noted. Why are "Muslims" in quotation marks? By the fact that they are mainly illiterate peasants who do not understand what they believe in and who cover their selfish interests with Islam. No offense, Christians have such a lot.
    6. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 13: 11 New
      +3
      YOU are absolutely right, the Constitution of the Russian Federation is violated by the "democrats" constantly and in all areas. If you want to go in Islamic attire, go this is your right, but not to state school, but to religious. It also happens 40 hours on a working day, first small changes - 30 minutes earlier to prepare the workplace and 30 minutes later to clean the slave. places. Now - not afraid of anything 12 hours a day. (For the same salary), the motivation is the same everywhere: "Do not like it, quit." Maybe it's time to “fire” all this “elite” and live according to the Constitution?
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 17 2013 09: 13 New
    +8
    However, the minister is still one! I'm talking about his troubles in relation to the RAS. Livanov was also not in the project, when the brightest heads of academics who received a penny, not today's mummers, but our DESERVED in their laboratories and institutes gave the world this ...
    1. Uncle
      Uncle April 17 2013 12: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      the brightest heads of academicians who received a penny, not today's mummers

      I had a visitor, offered some services, and took out a business card, I read "Academician", I looked at him, sneak, I laughed so hard that the meeting went to dust. I ask, are you an academician of the RAS? No, some new academy, but where did it come from? What the hell is she for?
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 17 2013 12: 29 New
        +2
        Likely RANS (Russian Academy of Natural Sciences), there whoever you want to give such xivas, at least recall the "Academician" Petrik (who are interested in google, an interesting type)
  • lecturer
    lecturer April 17 2013 09: 15 New
    11
    Dmitry Livanov about Russian science:
    “I believe that this form of organization of science in the 21st century is unpromising. It will not live, it is not viable. But it lives with us ... I will do what I can to make this situation change.” -
    - A pig under the centuries-old Oak
    I have eaten enough acorns to the full;
    After eating, she slept under it;
    Then, having grown up, I got up
    And to dig a snout from Oak roots has become.
    "It hurts the tree,"
    The raven says to her from Dubu:
    "If you expose the roots, it can dry."
    “Let it dry,” says the Pig:
    "It doesn’t bother me at all;
    I see little use in it; .........................
  • Belogor
    Belogor April 17 2013 09: 20 New
    +4
    When Fursenko is not in power, then there will be no different Lebanese. Indeed, in fact, all these innovations in education are managed by Fursenko, although not publicly. Livanov is only a performer
    1. Normal
      Normal April 17 2013 12: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Belogor
      managed by Fursenko, although not publicly. Livanov is only a performer

      Well, then you stopped. Continue your thought.

      Livanov - Fursenko - Putin - ???

      Or am I wrong?

      Whose will does Putin mediate with the mediation of Livanov and Fursenko? Here is the main question
      1. Uncle
        Uncle April 17 2013 12: 22 New
        -2
        Quote: Normal
        Livanov - Fursenko - Putin - ???

        Do you think Putin is the last resort? In this world, the last resort is one - a fierce peacekeeper, whose name we do not remember the stench.
        1. Normal
          Normal April 17 2013 13: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Uncle
          Do you think Putin is the last resort?


          Well of course not. About that and is written.

          Quote: Uncle
          In this world, the last resort is one - a fierce peacekeeper,


          Undoubtedly! But let's not climb so high (sink so low)
          I’m interested in two or three steps higher (in rank) of GDP. Those whose order he fulfills.
          Or do you think that all the “reforms” about which good words cannot be said are his ideas, Putin?
          1. Uncle
            Uncle April 17 2013 14: 23 New
            -1
            I believe that “reform” is a tribute to the West, their emissaries and our traitors are very strong, sometimes it seems that the government consists of only enemies of Russia. Although it is reliably known that there are Christians (not only upon baptism) and patriots.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin April 18 2013 19: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Uncle
              Although it is reliably known that there are Christians (not only upon baptism) and patriots.

              Judging by the actions of the government, they were trotted out.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 April 17 2013 20: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Uncle
          Do you think Putin is the last resort? In this world, the last resort is one - a fierce peacekeeper,

          Dima, and you are not so far from the truth, as it might seem at first glance.
    2. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 12: 22 New
      0
      Fursenko then, "who pays, that girl dances." Fursenko and Serdyukov, what did they appoint themselves?
  • Black
    Black April 17 2013 09: 25 New
    +1
    The kaledoscope is twisted ... the pictures are different .... the filling is one !!!
  • SPACE
    SPACE April 17 2013 09: 25 New
    +3
    Education should be free! This is a social elevator for everyone. Education can not be bought, you can buy a diploma, and this is an elevator for morons.
    Z.Y. Where is Putin looking? "retinue makes the king" of Serdyukov, Lebanon, Chubais ... these people are like labels ... People are watching and drawing conclusions ...
  • Canep
    Canep April 17 2013 09: 26 New
    +2
    This is his (in the photo) a halo or horn. I think horns. Why destroy the Soviet education system?
  • Petrovich-2
    Petrovich-2 April 17 2013 09: 27 New
    +5
    It is already clear that Livanov is not a minister, or rather, the worst of all.
    Education he ruins. It is clear.
    What, in figs, loans? Previously, education was normal because on budgetary places the competition was on average from 3 to 15 people per place, that is, the BEST were SELECTED, and were not afraid to SEPARATE them due to poor performance.
    And now in universities there is a system of "saving" paid / commercial students. Try this deductible - tomorrow you yourself will fail under the deduction. After all, a commercial student brings the university (judging by the salaries, not the university, but the rector) money. Thus, we are not saving students, but their laziness and unwillingness to learn. These are the shots that laugh in the face of teachers, like, you still won’t do anything, and they will come to our economy, to production. Yes, what a production! They can only trade. which ones are engineers? Doctors (50 thousand medical errors per year)? Pilots?
    Down with Livanov and people like Livanov!
    Medvedev should have thought for a long time, and not act like a person covering enemies of the people.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT April 17 2013 09: 46 New
    +8
    The State Department’s infernal plan to corrupt our young generation is brought into action precisely through the "reform reform". Gentlemen, the ministers "thank you for the reform of abrazavaniya"!
    1. Masterzserg
      Masterzserg April 17 2013 11: 24 New
      +4
      Yes, maybe not the State Department! An educated person has increased freethinking. The mass of educated is difficult to manage, inspire. Heating dumber people, the easier it is to download them in unison, to make them do what they need. The flip side of this coin is that not those in power can take possession of the minds of stupid masses. Take them to the swamp, for example. Make screaming slogans like "crooks and thieves."
      In the United States, the percentage of educated people is less than even now in Russia, and the result is a programmed society that considers itself the freest, even though the policeman can, without giving any reason, put them on their knees and undress to the goal. Another example about Americans, he told how not the weird Americanist Posner, how they forced people to smoke in the USA in droves. They made smoking through the media stupidly not fashionable. Individualists, who are most often smart people, care little about the opinion of the majority, fashion, and the dull mass is very important, this is their guide to life. Maybe that's why there is such an active debilitation of society in our country?
  • DeerIvanovich
    DeerIvanovich April 17 2013 09: 48 New
    +5
    I hope that Livanov, Chubais, Medvedev and other compradors will fly soon, not in vain for the first two, more precisely for the structures, the checks of the Accounts Chamber are going to this or that being connected with these two “individuals” ...
    not so long ago there were checks of structures related to Bilalov ... not for nothing that he is now sitting out in a German resort.
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik April 17 2013 12: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: DeerIvanovich
      I hope that Livanov, Chubais, and Medvedev will fly soon


      But it seems that the Accounts Chamber in the person of Stepashin will "fly" ..
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich April 17 2013 12: 59 New
        -3
        Yes, it’s also a long time to shake it up: instead of collecting information on Bilalov, they started banal raiding.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 17 2013 13: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: DeerIvanovich
          instead of collecting information on Bilalov


          On the Belalovs it was impossible, their cousin Zumrud, wife of A. Dvorkovich !!!!
          1. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich April 18 2013 13: 29 New
            0
            from the accounting chamber or what?
            as we without you know about the close mafia ties between Bilalov and Dvorkovich.
            it would be better to work honestly, and not raiding engaged.
      2. kostella85
        kostella85 April 17 2013 13: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: sanyabasik
        But it seems that the Accounts Chamber in the person of Stepashin will "fly" ..


        Taburetkin is already tired of flying, but everything can’t land ....

        Ginger, if removed, they will find a new position, and certainly with a raise, since MOST effective !!!
        1. Normal
          Normal April 17 2013 14: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: kostella85
          Taburetkin is already tired of flying, but everything can’t land ....

          + + + good

          Over the gray plain of the sea.
          Proudly flies .... fat penguin!
          Black lightning similar ...
          He soars for the sixth day ...
          He himself no longer remembers
          How he managed to rise to the sky ...
          wassat laughing
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 April 17 2013 14: 17 New
            0
            By the way, right now I was watching the news, so Shoigu said that Oboronservis acted behind Serdyukov ......... belay wassat

            So that everything is fine ........
            1. Normal
              Normal April 17 2013 15: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: kostella85
              Oboronservis acted behind Serdyukov ........

              Well, the stump is clear! How else? After all, Medvedev and all the other liberals are acting, and Westerners are in power behind the back of a statesman of GDP. lol
              1. Karabin
                Karabin April 18 2013 19: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: Normal
                After all, Medvedev and all the other liberals are acting, and Westerners are in power behind the back of a statesman of GDP.

                “Devoured” and “Obscured” Anatoly Serdyukov ... (C)
                "Medved" and "cheated" Vladimir Putin. lol
  • sanyabasik
    sanyabasik April 17 2013 10: 01 New
    +6
    And how quickly we forgot Fursenko .. But this one is no worse, but no better. Maybe it's not the ministers, but those who appoint them? From the first, then hundreds of presidential reserves? Imagine who in the second hundred .. sad
  • 120352
    120352 April 17 2013 10: 09 New
    +1
    Good photo. Horns to his face!
    A new concept of education is needed, then the ministers will not look like idiots. Higher and secondary specialized education is one thing, science is another, but secondary general education is a completely independent field of activity.
  • Suhov
    Suhov April 17 2013 10: 11 New
    0
    What happens if the Minister of Education Livanova is dismissed?


    Earth from orbit will definitely not come off!
    wassat
    1. Suhov
      Suhov April 17 2013 12: 43 New
      0

      What happens if the Minister of Education Livanova is dismissed?

      Earth from orbit will definitely not come off!
      [/ Quote]
  • SPQR1977
    SPQR1977 April 17 2013 10: 13 New
    +2
    It is necessary to work out $ 200 million even with the "Fursenka" issued by the geyropa for educational reform (
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. April 17 2013 10: 18 New
    0
    "Can you imagine the crowds of employers who will repay their educational loans for their potential subordinates?"
    - it’s easy, and I don’t envy the helpless slave who will work for them.
    “It is noteworthy that the“ voiced ”girls were“ excited ”by the news not about the oddities of reforming the education system in Russia, but the total introduction of the“ Anti-plagiarism ”system in Russian universities. This introduction, according to FEMEN, can provoke widespread harassment of students by university teachers "
    - so that's where the sabaka rummaged they are ignored but they want to! And even their regular half-naked does not help the lack of femininity. But seriously, this is a fact confirming their nature to NPOs, it remains only to find and block funding and we will not hear about them anymore.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 17 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    We all say that it cannot be worse, but how it can and how it can. Rightly, someone said that laws should be called by the names of their senders, the country should know its “heroes”.
  • Masterzserg
    Masterzserg April 17 2013 10: 26 New
    +5
    "The Ministry of Defense was recognized as the victim in the case of large-scale thefts in the OJSC" Oboronservis ". According to the head of the military department Sergei Shoigu, his predecessor Anatoly Serdyukov misled. The ministry sued Yevgenia Vasilyeva, Yekaterina Smetanova, and Maxim Zakutailo - for a total of 277 million rubles.
    In the lawsuit of the defense department, only one of a dozen episodes appears - the sale of the 31st State Design Institute of Special Construction (GPISS), which is engaged in the design of facilities in the interests of national security. Sergei Shoigu wrote a statement to the Chairman of the Investigative Committee of Russia (TFR) Alexander Bastrykin. "


    Now he will sell a couple of buildings of "inefficient" universities and can be resigned, for the first time enough. Well, then he will be recognized as a victim. I have suffered so much from luxury and millions ... poor thing ...
  • lecturer
    lecturer April 17 2013 10: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: Canep
    This is his (in the photo) a halo or horn. I think horns. Why destroy the Soviet education system?

    ANSWER:
    In that office, labor was slavish,
    and the payment is ridiculous,
    but goats have a womanish character -
    outrageously submissive ...

    Labor is joy! But annoyingly
    that the office was flourishing
    and the goat was very greedy
    and paid those goats a little.

    The goat looked good,
    but the scoundrel of the purest water -
    he paid more alone
    and another smaller goat ...
  • irka_65. irina
    irka_65. irina April 17 2013 10: 30 New
    0
    That one reformer was neither good nor good. While all the current “improvers” in our lives will not leave posts in even rows, improvements are not worth the wait.
  • krez-74
    krez-74 April 17 2013 10: 54 New
    +2
    Now, if they start to plant such people, then it will happen, UNIVERSAL BLESSING!
  • Humpty
    Humpty April 17 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    What will happen? No one will notice.
  • Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 April 17 2013 11: 00 New
    +9
    After reading the article and the posts, I thought about who is in charge of the country itself. He went through the ministers (led by the Prime Minister) and realized: NOBODY DOES NOT LEAD THE COUNTRY. Because those people who are in power (including those with iPhones in their hands) have only one working body - LANGUAGE.
    1. Normal
      Normal April 17 2013 12: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: Shkodnik65
      and understood:

      Anecdote from the time of the presidency of DAM:

      Lenin proved that the country can be controlled.

      Stalin proved that one person can rule a country.

      Khrushchev proved that not only Stalin could rule the country.

      Brezhnev proved that a sick person can rule the country.

      Yeltsin proved that a country can be ruled by a bukh.

      Putin has proven that anyone can rule a country.

      Medvedev proved that the country can not be controlled at all ....
  • optimist
    optimist April 17 2013 11: 09 New
    +3
    Another question for the Putinoids: do you still believe that Lebanese, Serdyukov, hermits, etc. "bad", and -vvp, which puts them in the appropriate posts, "good"? It seems to me that even the most accomplished bfd is able to understand the elementary truth: "What a pop, so is the parish!" angry
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 17 2013 11: 32 New
      +1
      Just before the appointment they are more good, and besides relatives, well, after that they simply overlooked ........ smile
      1. folds
        folds April 17 2013 12: 01 New
        +3
        not, after - "they were misled" :)
  • Larus
    Larus April 17 2013 11: 16 New
    0
    What difference does it make who sits in his place, all the same it will be the same mediocrity and lack of professionalism, because others are not kept there, that would not stand out against the background of the bureaucrats
  • Normal
    Normal April 17 2013 11: 42 New
    +1
    ... the dog is buried somewhat elsewhere.


    Well, of course! Who would doubt that...
    At a meeting in Elista, GDP said so yesterday; they say that I alone work efficiently, but the government and local authorities do not. Scared that he would fire everyone ... lol
    1. Karabin
      Karabin April 18 2013 19: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      At a meeting in Elista, GDP said so yesterday; they say that I alone work efficiently, but the government and local authorities do not. Scared that he would fire everyone ...

      And in the evening, his secretary Peskov told everyone that the president was generally pleased with the work of the government. The parrot is a little and good.
  • folds
    folds April 17 2013 11: 49 New
    +7
    I sometimes look at the leadership of the country - and somehow all their activities look strange. Illogical. No reforms will work if there are no competent, educated and hardworking executors of these reforms in the country. Everything that you want to change in the country - you need to start with education. From kindergartens, from elementary school. To establish such salaries there, conditions so that the crowds of people who want to work with children will allow them to select the best for this work, and through them to educate new generations of citizens in the spirit you need. Use the same Western media products as a good example - look, you’ll become - you’ll watch home2 all your life, and there will be nothing interesting in your life. And in order for life to be interesting, you need to study, strive for personal growth and development of your country. No modernization with innovation will give anything to a country inhabited by stupid, uneducated consumer goods. No effective management will build a country's defense if the citizens of this country are not ready to fight for it, to give their lives. Everything that is needed for the existence of a country, a state is laid from a very early age. And we are putting education on commercial footing, not realizing that this is the most important strategic resource. And irreplaceable - uneducated teachers will not be able to teach children anything.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. April 17 2013 12: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: plis
      if the country does not have competent, educated and hardworking performers

      Educated? What for? Astronomy has long been canceled. Why is she ... 21st century.
      Better like this -"Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin ordered to speed up the church building program so that put into operation one Orthodox church per month. He stated this at a meeting of the board of trustees of the Fund for the Support of the Construction of Temples, Kommersant reports.
      I have nothing against faith ... But somehow ... bust.
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 17 2013 12: 23 New
        +3
        In our Kurgan, churches are being built right at the factories, they will buy a new machine - they’ll call the priest to light (this is the kind of savings on the discussion staff !!!!), screwdrivers will soon begin to light !!!!
        1. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 12: 32 New
          +4
          "Religion, opium for the people" Uneducated, drugged by religion, easier to manage - the main policy of the "democrats"
        2. Karabin
          Karabin April 18 2013 19: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: kostella85
          buy a new machine - the name of the priest to light

          We had an incident. They invited the priest to consecrate a combine harvester. The next day, the harvester in the field burned out.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. April 18 2013 22: 38 New
            0
            And the combine was not after yesterday? Maybe the "holy" harvester simply could not stand the fume?
  • d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 12: 15 New
    +5
    "The fish starts to stink from the head!" Yes, the ranks of successful reformers are expanding significantly: Serdyukov, Lebanon, Skrypnik, Chubais, Medvedev, and these are only idiotic figures, "people’s favorites," reported by the media. How many unknown “heroes” are still in the shadows. It's time to change the director!
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 17 2013 12: 28 New
    0
    It is necessary to dismiss this Medvedev government altogether - only talk, but no business (as they collected tribute in the housing and communal services, they collect it by doing nothing, etc. etc.).
    1. Normal
      Normal April 17 2013 12: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Semen Albertovich
      It is necessary to dismiss this Medvedev government


      Yeah ... And instruct Medvedev to form a new one ...
      Here are the ways they constantly ask a question; Who. if not Putin?
      You can also ask; who, if not Medvedev?
      Dvorkovich? Shoigu? Or maybe right away ... SERDYUKOV? Or in the extreme case of Golikov? No, better Shuvalov ...
      Ну belay how are the prospects?
  • Hey
    Hey April 17 2013 12: 34 New
    +3
    Today, Medvedev will report on the work of the government in the Duma. The deputies specifically want to raise a question about Livanov, about his resignation. And I won’t be surprised that there will be an answer about an effective minister.
  • SEM
    SEM April 17 2013 12: 34 New
    0
    Is that in the picture Horn on the head ???
    1. Normal
      Normal April 17 2013 12: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: SEM
      Is that in the picture Horn on the head ???


      No, these are angel wings ....
      They just grew up there ... Ecology, electric fields, nitrates. Well, in general, a mutation is ... laughing
  • fenix57
    fenix57 April 17 2013 13: 04 New
    0
    Quote: MUD
    Today, Medvedev will report on the work of the government in the Duma

    , Already reported and here is what he issued: "The government has a vision of what needs to be done to rectify the economic situation, but these measures require wide discussion, said Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, reporting on Wednesday to State Duma deputies" more details: http: //rus.ruvr.ru/2013_04_17/Medvedev-u-pravitelstva-est-videnie-chto
    -nuzhno-predprinjat-dlja-vipravlenija-jekonomicheskoj-situacii /
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 17 2013 13: 38 New
    +3
    How hard and long (as to a giraffe) it comes to our power that a person is NOT IN OWN PLACE, he does not correspond to his position and must be urgently invited for an EXIT, along with his concept of education! WHY is it necessary for a person to necessarily “twist”, as they say, more horse to be removed? Why is it necessary to wait for the damage from the official’s activities to reach MILLION and BILLION rubles and that this activity is already, so to say, “not climbing into any gates”? And this happens everywhere! Where does such patience, tolerance come from? Maybe the authorities believe that all of these and others are not? NOT TRUE! THERE are normal people, you just need to give them a way by decisively clearing government structures from the mafia liberal market trash that has been digging there since Gorbachev-Yeltsin times, and you need to do this quickly, otherwise the mafia swamp tends to suck in!
  • albi77
    albi77 April 17 2013 14: 46 New
    +1
    If they dismiss Livanov and will be engaged in normal education (restoration) ... then the next in line will probably be medicine .... although Golikova was removed there .. but I’d think it would be worth looking at what Golikova and Fursenko were doing the previous years.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 16: 24 New
      0
      Golikova was far from the worst leader for the entire period of the development of "democracy" in the Russian Federation. If she had financing, like a thief Serdyukov, then there would be no complaints about her at all.
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius April 17 2013 15: 06 New
    +6
    And Medvedko in his speech (now watching) defended Livanov. The question is - why are we all going broke? Serdyukov, bleat, effective manager, and Livanov, bleat, outgoing minister and not a ruble, so that everyone likes. request
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 17 2013 15: 51 New
      +5
      Also looked past the eye !!!! Then I watched the comments on the RBC channel, there the experts, when they heard that “there was no state money in Cyprus”, they were stunned .... In general, this iPhone iPhone player, constantly piz ... deceives, it’s good to forget the word “innovation” by quietly started .....
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr April 17 2013 15: 40 New
    +5
    17 April 14: 11
    Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev did not support the proposal of the deputies to dismiss Education Minister Dmitry Livanov, RIA Novosti reports.

    “I do not think that you expect from me that I agree with this. I will say one thing: the minister, of course, this is not the ruble, so that everyone likes it, ”said Medvedev, answering a question from the Liberal Democratic Party deputy Igor Lebedev.

    According to the Prime Minister, there are a number of posts in the government that are called "execution". Among them, he named the posts of ministers of education and health.

    And we argue that the spears are broken. And I will give it to everyone. I myself have decided ..........................
  • cumastra1
    cumastra1 April 17 2013 15: 44 New
    +2
    Great photo! + I directly caught the content of the human soul. And not euthanasia of education, but a quartering!
  • Apollo
    Apollo April 17 2013 16: 12 New
    +2
    regarding the title and content of the article.

    Yes, nothing will happen, the entire government, headed by the prime minister, will resign, with the exception of the ministers of the power bloc, while Russia will breathe a sigh of relief.

    Vladimir Putin threatens to dissolve the government

    At a private meeting with ministers in Kalmykia, the president said he was inclined to dismiss the Cabinet of Ministers.


    At the disposal of Life News was a sensational video from the closed part of the meeting of the head of state with ministers and governors, which was held on Tuesday evening in Elista and was devoted to the problems of resettlement of residents of dilapidated and emergency housing.
    Vladimir Putin, not embarrassed in expressions, criticized members of the government and regional leaders for their sluggishness in implementing the May decrees, in which his election promises are enshrined.
    The head of state stated that if the government and governors do not improve, they will have to part with them. And he tried to set the officials to work.
    If in the presence of the press the president only gently criticized the heads of the regions for failing to meet the deadlines for resettlement and failure to complete the relevant programs on time, then when the journalists left, Putin arranged a real debriefing.
    The President reminded his subordinates that the May decrees should be under special control. They contain the election promises of the head of state - raising salaries in the social sphere, eliminating queues in kindergartens or minimizing them, as well as relocating the emergency housing stock.

    - How we are working?! The quality of work is negligible. We do everything superficially. If we work like that, we won’t do a damn thing! And if we work more persistently and professionally, we will do it, ”Putin began the rout. - Let's improve the quality of our work.

    - This (execute orders. - Ed.) Must be done! - said the president. - If we do not, we will have to admit that either I am not working efficiently, or you are all working poorly and you need to leave! I draw your attention to the fact that today I am inclined to the second option! I think this is understandable. That there were no illusions.

    The meeting was attended by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak, Minister of Economic Development Andrei Belousov, Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov, Director of the Ministry of Regional Development Igor Slyunyaev, Director General of the State Corporation - Housing and Utilities Reform Support Fund Konstantin Tsitsin, Director General of the Federal Housing Development Promotion Fund Alexander Braverman, Director General of the Agency for Housing Mortgage lending Alexander Semenyaka, envoy Vladimir Ustinov, as well as the heads of the republics of Buryatia, Kalmykia and the governors of the Tula and Astrakhan regions stei and others.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo April 17 2013 16: 17 New
      0
      this is the video

      [media=http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/0kI7RJ3j3M4/mqdefault.jpg]
    2. Apollo
      Apollo April 17 2013 16: 17 New
      +2
      this is the video
      1. Normal
        Normal April 17 2013 18: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        this is the video

        Dear Apollon. Do you believe that this is not PR?
        He is being shot at point blank; he is looking directly at the person shooting at the beginning of the video and not seeing it? That's all ... This is from a series of randomly found amphoras.

        I especially liked the fact that it works efficiently, but everyone else does not.
        The whole system is not keeping up, but Putin alone is keeping up.
        Although ... there was a reservation "I am leaning towards ... the second option ..." That's right, Vladimir Vladimirovich, laughing more and more people are inclined to the first option.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 17 2013 18: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: Normal
          He is being shot at point blank; he is looking directly at the person shooting at the beginning of the video and not seeing it?


          smile To prevent such incidents, a red flashlight burns in front of the cameras when the recording is in progress ..... Well, I didn’t notice the interface in a fit of “righteous anger” ...... request By the way, in the news "the president positively commented on the meeting of the prime minister with the deputies"
        2. Garrin
          Garrin April 17 2013 19: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          He is being shot at point blank; he is looking directly at the person shooting at the beginning of the video and not seeing it? That's all ... This is from a series of randomly found amphoras.

          Also drew attention to this. And what was the presidential guard watching at this time? How is it filmed by a "hidden camera"? It turns out that the president is at the level of a gay bribe-taker, who was quietly removed to the phone.
        3. Apollo
          Apollo April 17 2013 20: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Normal
          Do you believe that this is not PR?


          Good evening Vladimir hi Alas, this is not PR.

          Dmitry Peskov criticized Life News for publishing a video with Putin
          A spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Peskov, called the publication of Life News on Vladimir Putin ethically unacceptable. Today the site published a video in which the Russian president criticized officials. The video was recorded at the closed part of the meeting of the president with members of the government and governors in Elista .........
          “The published material, as follows from the words of the president himself, related to the closed part of the meeting. We always assume that journalists who work in the Kremlin pool have very wide access to information. At the same time, they listen to requests when it is necessary to work behind closed doors, ”Peskov noted.
          Representatives of the presidential administration will contact the leadership of Life News and demand their explanation about the publication of the video, Peskov noted.

          “What is published, said in the closed part, is outrageous and unacceptable from an ethical point of view. We mean in the near future to contact the management of the publication in order to request an explanation from them, ”said Peskov.
          http://russian.rt.com/article/7436
          1. Normal
            Normal April 17 2013 21: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Apollon
            Good evening, Vladimir Alas, this is not PR.

            Dmitry Peskov criticized Life News for publishing a video with Putin

            Good evening, Apollon.
            "Of course, I wildly apologize," but believe Peskov ?! Dismiss ....
            Then it’s better to trust Putin as a higher authority.
            And since I don’t have faith in GDP and never have (I have described the reasons more than once), I can’t believe his spokesperson in principle. Peskov’s position itself implies the ability and duty to lie, how to breathe - easily and without thinking. Then they hold.
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov April 18 2013 00: 32 New
              0
              Why are you so worried-this is not even Putin. Take the shoot with Merkel and other leaders and compare ... look younger counterparts, slightly different hair - this is a movie with a theater.
              By the number of doubles, Pu is comparable to Stalin and also sends them to pioneers and retirees, to an empty talking room ...
              I wonder where the original was. Stalin personally inspected samples of equipment, but there was a trip to the Caspian ...
  • Northerner
    Northerner April 17 2013 16: 16 New
    +5
    Good afternoon! Unfortunately, there is some bad news. Pakhan Livanova, who also covers another abomination, officially announced that he did not see the need for Livanov's resignation! Here is such a hello from Dimon to all Russians (Slavs)!
    P.S. If the puppeteers decided that history and education are the destiny of the elect and can only be with the chosen people, their puppets act like that, uprooting everything sacred from our education, our culture, our identity so that we don’t have anything of our own!
    Yours!
    1. Karabin
      Karabin April 18 2013 19: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Northerner
      Here is such a hello from Dimon to all Russians (Slavs)!

      If the Russians (Slavs) will continue to consider that this is only from Dimon, and Vovan should not be taken into account, then really
      Quote: Northerner
      we had nothing of our own!
  • d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 16: 19 New
    +5
    While the discussion was about the next "reformer", Medvedev refused to dismiss Lebanon, the conclusion is that Medvedev himself must be resigned. The people who care about the fate of their children and grandchildren should go to rallies with one slogan - Medvedev’s complete resignation. UNTIL IT'S NOT TOO LATE!
  • Fox
    Fox April 17 2013 17: 47 New
    0
    and I’m for Lebanon! and then here on the forum everyone is smart, read, write ... they know how to COMBINE, stsuki ... and our state needs stupid cattle who can only mumble. so what? is the government worthy of your education? made a choice.
    1. Northerner
      Northerner April 17 2013 17: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Fox
      and I’m for Lebanon! and then here on the forum everyone is smart, read, write ... they know how to COMBINE, stsuki ... and our state needs stupid cattle who can only mumble. so what? is the government worthy of your education? made a choice.


      Fox request Is that a banter? If yes, then lol
  • darksoul
    darksoul April 17 2013 17: 48 New
    +2
    The choice of education ministers scares ... from time to time they are getting worse and worse ... who is next?
  • Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 17 2013 18: 12 New
    +2
    Livanov will resign only after Medvedev .... But Medvedev, it feels a long time sent to us ... Probably until the country is completely seized ....
    1. Karabin
      Karabin April 18 2013 20: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Gorchakov
      .A Medvedev, it feels a long time sent to us ...

      Who! Martians?