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Briefly about the status of the Pacific Fleet

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Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, Pacific development fleet special priority was given. This operational-strategic association of the Soviet Navy carried out a number of especially important tasks, which were the reason for the corresponding attitude towards it. Nuclear strategic submarines of the Pacific Fleet were on combat patrol in the Pacific and Indian Oceans and were ready at any time to launch a nuclear missile strike on enemy territory. Surface ships and multipurpose submarines tracked the movement of ship groups and submarines of the likely enemy, and the specially created 8th operational squadron patrolled the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf. Unfortunately, after the collapse of the USSR, the Pacific Fleet, like other components of the country's defense, lost the necessary support at the state level. As a result, in a few years its potential decreased significantly and even two decades after the start of catastrophic changes, the Pacific Fleet is far from its previous capabilities.


Project 667BDR "Kalmar"


Currently, the Pacific Fleet has only three submarines capable of carrying strategic missiles. These are the ships of the Kalmar XNUMBDR project: K-667 Podolsk, K-223 Saint George the Victorious and K-433 Ryazan. The newest of them, Ryazan, began service in the 44 year and is now under repair. Three "Kalmar" Pacific Fleet - the last representatives of this project in the Russian Navy. Ten other submarines were decommissioned and disposed of or are being disposed of, and another one (K-1982 Orenburg) was converted into a carrier of ultra-small submarines. Thus, over the next few years, all the remaining boats of the 129BDR project will be withdrawn from the fleet due to moral and material obsolescence.

The state of the Pacific Fleet multipurpose nuclear submarines does not look so bad. The fleet includes five submarines of the 949A Antey and 971 Pike-B projects. Six multi-purpose submarines of both types are currently under repair. It is worth noting that the progress of repair of one of the submarines (K-391 "Bratsk" of the 971 project) was recently severely criticized by Defense Minister S. Shoigu. The fact is that this submarine has been at the dock for six years and the only noticeable result of such a repair is the enormous expenses of the Ministry of Defense. The date of the return of "Bratsk" in the composition of the combat-ready forces has not yet been named.

K-490 and K-391 Bratsk. Pacific Ocean, Avacha Bay, Krasheninnikov Bay


The best situation is observed with diesel-electric submarines. Of the eight submarines of the 877 "Halibut" project, at present, only two of them are B-187 and B-394. All the others are in the ranks and ready for combat service. At the same time, 877 boats are not the youngest in the Pacific Fleet. They began their service from 1988 to 1994 year. For comparison, the last "Antey" (K-150 "Tomsk") joined the fleet a little later, in 1996.

Briefly about the status of the Pacific Fleet
K-150 "Tomsk"

Nuclear-powered cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" of 1144 "Orlan" project


The situation with missile cruisers looks depressing. The largest ship of this class, the Admiral Lazarev of the 1144 Orlan project, has been in sludge since the end of the nineties. From time to time there are messages about the possible repair and modernization of the ship, but for now they remain just words. The second missile cruiser of the Pacific Fleet is in the ranks and is its flagship. This is “Varyag” of the 1164 “Atlant” project. This cruiser is actively involved in various exercises and campaigns. According to various estimates, “Varyag” will be able to serve another 15-20 years. With timely modernization, this period can be significantly increased.

The Varyag cruiser in Vladivostok in 2010


Admiral Tributs (large anti-submarine ship)


Against the background of other ships stand out large anti-submarine. All four BOD projects of the Pacific Fleet 1155 (Marshal Shaposhnikov, Admiral Tributs, Admiral Vinogradov and Admiral Panteleyev) are in service. Despite some minor problems inherent in the operation of any such ship, all large anti-submarine ships of the Pacific Fleet can perform the tasks assigned.

With the destroyers of the project 956 situation is much worse. Of the four such ships in the ranks, now only one is “Fast.” "Fighting", "Stormy" and "Bezboyaznny" are under repair or conservation. In the future, it is planned to modernize and return all these ships to the composition of the Pacific Fleet.

Ships and boats of other classes are fully operational, and not in the sludge or under repair. Thus, the Pacific Fleet has four small rocket ships of the 12341 project, eight small anti-submarine ships of the 1124 project and 11 rocket boats of the 12411 project. To ensure the landing of the marines in the bases of the Pacific Fleet there are four large landing ships of the projects 1171 and 775, as well as the same landing craft of the projects 1176 and 11770. Finally, there are nine minesweepers of 1265 and 266М projects in the Pacific Fleet.

It is easy to see that the Pacific Fleet lags far behind the North in terms of quantitative and qualitative composition. In addition, various sources claim that at least half of the ships and boats of the fleet are in operation with exceeding the recommended turnaround time. Also, a number of ships exceeded the estimated service life or is approaching it. In recent years, construction of several ships has begun, which will serve in the future in the Pacific Fleet. Over the next few years it is planned to seriously upgrade the material part of this operational-strategic alliance.

SSBN project 955 "Borey". "Alexander Nevskiy"


First of all, it is necessary to note the strategic submarines of the Borey 955 project. The Alexander Nevsky, the second submarine of this project, will be part of the Pacific Fleet. Also in the fleet bases in the coming years the first two universal landing ships of the Mistral type will come. The transfer of these ships is scheduled for 2014 and 2015 years. Before 2020, the Pacific Fleet will receive several 20380 project corvettes, anti-diversion boats of the 21980 Rooks project and several types of landing craft. In addition, repairs and upgrades of the heavy rocket cruiser Admiral Lazarev are possible, and similar work continues on destroyers of the 956 project and the submarine Ryazan.

In the future, it is planned to update a large number of surface ships and submarines of various types. Some time ago, a new organization appeared in the United Shipbuilding Corporation specifically: the Far Eastern Center for Shipbuilding and Ship Repair. The responsibilities of this organization include coordinating the actions of various enterprises and providing full service to ships and auxiliary vessels of the Pacific Fleet. Moreover, it should be noted that the creation of the Center is only the first step. Judging by the situation with the submarine "Bratsk", it will take a lot of checks and structural changes before the Far Eastern shipbuilding and ship repair enterprises can fully carry out the tasks entrusted to them.

It is also necessary to address the topic of infrastructure Ships cannot serve without properly equipped berths, etc. At the end of March, an article appeared in Izvestia, in which, with reference to a certain representative of the Ministry of Defense, they spoke about the degree of readiness of the base in Vilyuchinsk to receive the new Alexander Nevsky submarine. According to the source, the new pier and a number of auxiliary facilities necessary for the service of submarines were planned to be completed a year ago, but they are still not ready. In this regard, it is alleged that the Minister of Defense decided to personally inspect the planned location of the placement of the infrastructure and approve it. In addition, it is required to build infrastructure for submariners: houses, schools, hospitals, etc.

All the necessary work and measures are associated with large expenditures of finance, effort and time. However, there is no choice. During the time that has passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the number of ships of the Pacific Fleet has decreased by about two times. This accordingly hit both the prospects of the fleet itself and the defense capability of the whole country. Now there is an opportunity to engage in updating and improving the fleet and it needs to take advantage. Despite all the financial, political, social, etc. the problems that plagued our country in past years, the importance of the Pacific for the Russian Navy remains the same. It should still be powerful and combat-ready fleet.


On the materials of the sites:
http://russian-ships.info/
http://flot.com/
http://vpk-news.ru/
http://izvestia.ru/
http://lenta.ru/
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 17 2013 08: 57 New
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    According to the source, it was planned to complete the new pier and a number of auxiliary facilities necessary for the service of submarines a year ago, but they are still not ready. In this regard, it is alleged that the Minister of Defense decided to personally inspect the planned location of the infrastructure and approve it. In addition, it is required to build infrastructure for submariners: houses, schools, hospitals, etc.


    It is difficult to talk about the combat readiness of the fleet until its "ground" component is brought into a proper state. Our sailors are the "golden fund" and we must treat it with care. Our Minister, I wish you greater firmness and determination in resolving these issues, as well as reliable and skillful assistants. Although I understand how hard it is.
    1. vadimus
      vadimus April 17 2013 09: 05 New
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      We need to build a new and reliable! And urgently.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary April 18 2013 06: 47 New
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        Quote: vadimus
        We need to build a new and reliable! And urgently.

        Great comment on an extensive article ... lol
        It seems to me that either a lot, or reliably, or one of two ...
        Otherwise, it is better to once again arrange a joint viewing and discussion of any of the options for the film "Old Man Hottabych" ???????
        And damn it, I forgot - let go of my beard in advance before speaking secret code words ... request
        I-and-and-and-and-and-and, tr.ah-chibi doh toh-toh !!!!!!!!!! Damn me with this "great and mighty" - the program TRIES the secret word of the wizard - tr.ah... It turns out that Hottabych, the first word of the spell, convinces us that already thousands of years ago he knew what IT would be called ... good Rzhunemagu ................)))))))))))))))))) There are still such fast and nimble below ...
    2. Vashestambid
      Vashestambid April 17 2013 14: 20 New
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      So for me, the Pacific Fleet should be the most powerful, but better right away 2 drinks . Since there are all the heavyweights, China, the USA ... fellow
      So a lot of ships are not needed; there are 4 aircraft carriers, 8 cruisers, 20 destroyers and 15 multipurpose submarines !! A drop in the sea!! smile

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      1. Kavtorang
        Kavtorang April 17 2013 14: 49 New
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        Cool down. Your idiotic plan for building the Navy will not be pulled by any economy. wink
        1. Vashestambid
          Vashestambid April 17 2013 15: 02 New
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          Quote: Kavtorang
          feel free. Your idiotic plan for building the Navy will not be pulled by any economy.

          Then you need to create an economy that will pull !! smile

          USA and China give you an example !! drinks
          1. yurta2013
            yurta2013 1 May 2013 12: 26 New
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            To take an example from China, you must first resettle at least half of the poor, but hardworking Chinese workers and peasants who are ready to work for the same salary that they are paid in China. True, then our country will no longer be called Russia, but New China.
        2. Col.
          Col. April 17 2013 20: 13 New
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          Quote: Kavtorang
          Your idiotic plan for building the Navy will not be pulled by any economy.

          Why is it "idiotic"? The length of our maritime borders in the East has not decreased since the collapse of the USSR. The quantitative and qualitative composition of the Navy of the countries of the Pacific region has not practically decreased; on the contrary, there is a strengthening of the fleets (especially the Chinese). A number of reasons (reduction in the population and number of armed forces of the RF Armed Forces, decrepit communications, aging infrastructure, etc.) increase the potential "creeps" into our territory. And what will we defend ourselves with? Ladies' gadgets "throw? Why did the economy of the USSR contain a fleet that guaranteed the country's security, and now they tell us that "we cannot"? Or maybe we don’t want to? We produce oil and gas no less than in the USSR, there are no expenses for the maintenance and support of the socialist countries and the friendly countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America. So there is more money! Where are they? Any student knows the answer ...
          1. yurta2013
            yurta2013 1 May 2013 12: 32 New
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            You yourself answered your own question: population reduction. Compared with the USSR, it is almost 2 times less. The territory also significantly decreased after the collapse of the USSR, and the country's economic resources also decreased. What the USSR contained, in principle, cannot contain the Russian Federation. In addition, it was at the arms race of the USSR that he exploded.
      2. Su24
        Su24 April 18 2013 00: 21 New
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        Quote: VashEstambid
        So for me, the Pacific Fleet should be the most powerful, but better right away 2 drinks . Since there are all the heavyweights, China, the USA ... fellow
        So a lot of ships are not needed; there are 4 aircraft carriers, 8 cruisers, 20 destroyers and 15 multipurpose submarines !! A drop in the sea!! smile

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        Oh, yes, 4 AV is not much))

        Also in the coming years, the first two Mistral-class universal landing ships of the fleet will come to the fleet


        I didn’t understand, so there are only two of them, as it will abandoned construction in Russia.
    3. diletant
      diletant April 17 2013 19: 47 New
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      I would recall the famous Petrovsky: "The fleet is not ships, the fleet is sailors!"
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 1 May 2013 12: 34 New
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        Without a fleet, sailors are, at best, only marines.
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 April 17 2013 20: 35 New
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      I, who served in the Pacific Fleet as part of the Kamchatka Naval Flotilla in a crew of auxiliary vessels, are especially painful to read these lines. Our flotilla existed for only one purpose - the protection, provision and maintenance of a flotilla of nuclear submarines (the "Aspen Nest", as the name Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Americans). We have based in Kamchatka the largest flotilla of nuclear-powered ships, the diesel boat brigade in Bichevinka (commander of the counter-admiral Betz — the terrible swindler at that time), the water protection brigade (minesweepers, IPC, torpedo boats, and others), the best in the USSR Navy missile boat brigade, destroyer brigade (“Traceless”, “Influential”, “Secretive”, “Swift”?), TFR of various classes, including new projects 1135 “Intelligent”, Watchdog, “Frisky"?; our department of auxiliary vessels; a separate division of the emergency and rescue service; hydrographic vessels; vessels of the control and measuring complex: "Chumikan", "Chazhma" and others. In short, wherever you look at Avache, there are ships everywhere. And in Vladik there were so many ships and boats! And all this what is it? Not wrecking? I believe, and many will agree with me that this is real wrecking and connivance. It will be difficult to replenish the former military resource of the Pacific Fleet. And the “Mistral” will not help here. They themselves need good security, and the existing TF will not provide it.
      1. old man54
        old man54 6 May 2013 15: 44 New
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        I agree with you absolutely !!! That fleet 40 years after the Second World War was created by the efforts of the whole country, and now, with this "power", how much will we restore?
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 17 2013 09: 00 New
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    It is worth noting that the repair progress of one of the submarines (K-391 Bratsk of the 971 project) has recently been harshly criticized by Defense Minister S. Shoigu. The fact is that this submarine has been on the dock for six years and the only noticeable result of such a repair is the enormous expenses of the Ministry of Defense. The date of Bratsk’s return to service has not yet been announced.

    They dumped such loot, sawn it and still on the slipways. Before running, as back to Turkey. It's a shame! But for the last time!
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 17 2013 09: 43 New
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      I'm interested in the result of this criticism ???
      1. Kavtorang
        Kavtorang April 17 2013 11: 55 New
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        Mathematically-0, practically - nevermind, a little less than absolutely. According to rumors, the crew will throw at the loot in May and withhold payments for three years, when Moscow will be born. Roughly speaking, the boys will receive - 0 and still have to. What is especially important for Kamchatka price tags.
        Glory to Russia!!!.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 17 2013 13: 41 New
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          when Moscow will be born.

          So they steal from you, and again Moscow is to blame? Not ..., I understand the capital and all the consequences ... But Vladivostok seems to be a regional center ... No? How many times to clone Putin, what would become a stopper for each barrel? Or Shoigu? The cloner will break.
          I'm interested in the result of this criticism ???

          While limited to scandal and clucking.
          1. Kavtorang
            Kavtorang April 17 2013 13: 58 New
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            No, everything is not much different. ALL BABLO IN MOSCOW !!! Did I say something about Putler? He does not conclude contracts, does not conduct elementary accounting. But the financing system is built so that no one is interested in the direct execution of work - repair of the ship / boat. I am in front of the headquarters of the fleet, for many years I was on the Star. You can’t even imagine how many bugs, bugs, just worms and corpse eaters spin there. Yes, there, for years, I with a personnel PM in the territory of the plant drove away palladium lovers. Nothing, wrote off the store for firing wink
            1. ABV
              ABV April 18 2013 01: 03 New
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              What are you all-Moscow, Moscow ?? why spread rot? write to the Kremlin, a government like ... Muscovites (residents of the city and the suburbs) plow like dads Karl, as well as Ryazans, Belgorod residents, Smolensk, Yaroslavl, etc. and all the loot (as you say) passes by people and hangs at the top. and visiting dzhigits, one and a half dozen sons of bankers and a lot of visiting kids (in search of Happiness) walk around taverns and clubs ... are the salaries higher than the average for Russia? and you saw price tags in shops ?? and housing services in Moscow? travel ?? prices in pharmacies ?? and the crowds of dzhigits and Tajiks ... Ordinary people are the same everywhere and you don’t have to stir up interclass discord, in our country, and so on, in the country everyone is looking at each other almost like wolves, where are we going? what will happen next?
            2. TekhnarMAF
              TekhnarMAF April 18 2013 03: 53 New
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              KavtorangI put a plus sign and I can confirm everything that was said on Zvezda, I had the opportunity to work on a discharge to the reserve. I did a troubleshooting on Irkutsk, on special equipment the looting of a 40% element base containing rare earths and precious metals was bitten! The boat came to the factory under its own power. crying
          2. ABV
            ABV April 18 2013 00: 50 New
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            that’s what the man was blamed for? for what? for the opinion? or is it really pricking my eyes? personally, everyone who works as a Muscovite (and not freebies visiting winder clubs) and Putin personally destroy and plunder the country? wife does not give-Putin is to blame ??
          3. ABV
            ABV April 18 2013 01: 04 New
            0
            that’s what the man was blamed for? for what? for the opinion? or is it really pricking my eyes? personally, everyone who works as a Muscovite (and not freebies visiting winder clubs) and Putin personally destroy and plunder the country? wife does not give-Putin is to blame ??
          4. ABV
            ABV April 18 2013 01: 05 New
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            that’s what the man was blamed for? for what? for the opinion? or is it really pricking my eyes? personally, everyone who works as a Muscovite (and not freebies visiting winder clubs) and Putin personally destroy and plunder the country? wife does not give-Putin is to blame ??
          5. ABV
            ABV April 18 2013 01: 06 New
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            What are you all-Moscow, Moscow ?? why spread rot? write to the Kremlin, a government like ... and Muscovites (residents of the city and suburbs) plow like dads Karl, as well as Ryazans, Belgorod residents, Smolensk, Yaroslavl and others. And all the loot (as you say) passes by people and hangs at the top . and visiting dzhigits, one and a half dozen sons of bankers and a lot of visiting kids (in search of Happiness) walk around taverns and clubs ... salaries are higher than the average for Russia? (it's like a joke - compare the temperature in the hospital !!! - 150 people get one million, 2 million get 20 rubles each = average salary in Moscow - 000 rubles ha ha ...) and you saw price tags in stores ?? and housing services in Moscow? travel ?? prices in pharmacies ?? and the crowds of dzhigits and Tajiks ... Ordinary people are the same everywhere and you don’t have to stir up interclass discord, in our country, and so on, in the country everyone is looking at each other almost like wolves, where are we going? what will happen next?
          6. V. Ushakov
            V. Ushakov April 19 2013 14: 44 New
            0
            So you forget who was the Governor of Primorye and who he was before his governorship. And who appointed him? Not Moscow? ..
            1. Col.
              Col. April 19 2013 18: 14 New
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              Quote: V. Ushakov
              So you forget who was the Governor of Primorye and who he was before his governorship. And who appointed him? Not Moscow? ..

              Are you talking about that governor, who is known as the "Lisp Earring"? And it was not Moscow that appointed him, but Petersburg.
        2. old man54
          old man54 6 May 2013 15: 46 New
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          why and why did they punish them with a “ruble”?
      2. not good
        not good April 17 2013 23: 04 New
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        What would be the result, you should not be surprised where the money went, but to conduct a full audit and take the matter to court, when some are sent to confiscate the others without, then you look and the repair will accelerate. Impunity breeds permissiveness.
  3. Russian
    Russian April 17 2013 09: 09 New
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    The Pacific region has recently become increasingly tense, the growing military power of China is to blame for everything, and therefore, in contrast to it, the buildup of military forces of neighboring states, and the United States, has declared this region the most interesting for them. Concerning. we need to build up here not only naval forces, but also land forces. And then the appetites of China and Japan have only recently been increasing, it’s time to remind that although we may not be a superpower at the moment, we can defend our territory! As they say, we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up our own either!
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 April 17 2013 10: 57 New
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      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      And then the appetites of China and Japan have only recently increased


      We announced that if we deem it necessary we will smash nuclear weapons!


      Quote: Kavtorang
      because you didn’t think about suppressing the coastal batteries of anti-ship missiles at Hokaido and about neutralizing the Japanese Air Force


      Who said? What needs to be reported about everything?
      And it is not cost-effective to think fortunetelling. Covered by a nuclear umbrella and "reign lying on your side"
      1. Kavtorang
        Kavtorang April 17 2013 11: 51 New
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        Give me at least one example of the use of nuclear weapons after 1945.
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        We announced that if we deem it necessary we will smash nuclear weapons!

        Are you directly?
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        Who said? What needs to be reported about everything?

        Do not argue with the application operator wink
        For starters, you don’t need to fill someone with a coordinate grid somewhere to snap. For our GLONASS is a hideaway of a terrible kind and is not used in calculations.
  4. UFO
    UFO April 17 2013 09: 24 New
    +4
    And someone else spoke out against the Mistral, "we would have built an aircraft carrier ourselves." "Atantov" urgently need to be restored! And the Bison for the Marines. yes
    1. Kavtorang
      Kavtorang April 17 2013 10: 02 New
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      I spoke out in particular.
      Your beloved Mistrals will not go anywhere further than the basin of the Sea of ​​Japan - they will stupidly drown them, because you didn’t think about suppressing coastal batteries of anti-ship missiles at Hokaido and about neutralizing the Japanese Air Force UNO, which, for 50 years, have been specifically designed for anti-airborne use .
      1. Civil
        Civil April 17 2013 10: 30 New
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        Quote: Kavtorang
        I spoke out in particular.
        Your beloved Mistrals will not go anywhere further than the basin of the Sea of ​​Japan - they will stupidly drown them, because you didn’t think about suppressing coastal batteries of anti-ship missiles at Hokaido and about neutralizing the Japanese Air Force UNO, which, for 50 years, have been specifically designed for anti-airborne use .


        the drowning of the Pacific Fleet ship means a declaration of war, moreover, nuclear, so in words all Leo Tolstoy
        1. Kavtorang
          Kavtorang April 17 2013 10: 45 New
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          How did you decide that?
          I have given you a typical scenario of all KSHU / SKSHU over the past 5 years. There, the situation is being worked out for the use of nuclear weapons by submarine Pacific Fleet forces. Everything is simple: escalation of the situation, sea battles, exhaustion of forces and means - the use of nuclear weapons. In itself, the sinking of one ship, albeit with the MP battalion on board, is not a reason for the guaranteed use of nuclear weapons.
          To avoid unnecessary questions - literally, before the "Christmas tree", I was an officer-operator of one of the fleet headquarters control posts.
          1. Civil
            Civil April 17 2013 10: 58 New
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            Quote: Kavtorang
            How did you decide that?
            I have given you a typical scenario of all KSHU / SKSHU over the past 5 years. There, the situation is being worked out for the use of nuclear weapons by submarine Pacific Fleet forces. Everything is simple: escalation of the situation, sea battles, exhaustion of forces and means - the use of nuclear weapons. In itself, the sinking of one ship, albeit with the MP battalion on board, is not a reason for the guaranteed use of nuclear weapons.
            To avoid unnecessary questions - literally, before the "Christmas tree", I was an officer-operator of one of the fleet headquarters control posts.

            then do not violate the regime comrade, is your signature worth?
          2. alexander rus.
            alexander rus. April 17 2013 13: 22 New
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            You were and is the captain of the second rank of the Russian Navy. Our proud "VARIAG" does not surrender to the enemy !!!
            1. Kavtorang
              Kavtorang April 17 2013 13: 49 New
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              Well, what it is. There are better, but few wink
              There is a specialized site "Tsusisa.ru" where full downs cubature an alternative history of ships and battles: http://tsushima.su/
              They, for example, have this Lord (the Varyag Republican Liberal Democratic Republic of the Republic of Belarus with the support of the Korean gunboat) - she almost went out into the open sea, having melt everyone and everything to dog fuckers.
              But apparently the tan, the bastards from Bolotnaya Square, funded by the US State Department, Geyuropa and the damned Melkobrit and the Frogs did not read our site and allowed Rudnev to blow up the gunboat and flood the cruiser.
              Moreover, the cruiser was so successfully incapacitated that already on August 08, 1905 it was successfully raised and by appropriating the name "Soya" under the tugboats left for Japan.
              Mind for the explosion of boilers, stern shafts, guns, the delivery of the landing party - the "hero" Rudnev did not have enough. But his mind and diplomacy were enough to intern the team at foreign hospitals in Chemulpo.
              1. Selevc
                Selevc April 17 2013 21: 16 New
                +2
                Kavtorang incidentally your comment says a lot !!! Recently, it has become fashionable, with the filing of shit to idealize Tsarist Russia and its army ... They say everything was great - but the Bolsheviks appeared and all went wrong !!! But if you rummage around in archives and facts, then it turns out that in the Tsar’s army and in the navy everything was far from being as safe as they draw us !!!

                That is precisely why they lost the war with the Japs ...
                1. yurta2013
                  yurta2013 1 May 2013 12: 46 New
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                  The history of pre-revolutionary tsarist Russia and its army should not be idealized, but simply remembered. Yes, they were far from ideal, but it is also impossible to find fault with them, as was customary in Soviet times. Much of that experience can come in handy even today.
          3. atalef
            atalef April 17 2013 14: 31 New
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            Quote: Kavtorang
            To avoid unnecessary questions - literally, before the "Christmas tree", I was an officer-operator of one of the fleet headquarters control posts.

            the bulk of the people, besides the screams of the URY and the screams, will throw everyone in slippers and do not know on foreign territory. When confronted with a specialist, he either starts reproaching non-patriotism or quietly jumps off the topic, crawling out in a plastonic way to fuck brains of schoolchildren in other posts
            1. Civil
              Civil April 17 2013 20: 16 New
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              Quote: atalef
              Quote: Kavtorang
              To avoid unnecessary questions - literally, before the "Christmas tree", I was an officer-operator of one of the fleet headquarters control posts.

              the bulk of the people, besides the screams of the URY and the screams, will throw everyone in slippers and do not know on foreign territory. When confronted with a specialist, he either starts reproaching non-patriotism or quietly jumps off the topic, crawling out in a plastonic way to fuck brains of schoolchildren in other posts

              and all the Izgail trolls know, they see everything)
            2. old man54
              old man54 6 May 2013 16: 01 New
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              strong comment, laughed for a very long time and from the Soul, thanks! :))))
        2. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 17 2013 20: 52 New
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          “Drowning of the Pacific Fleet’s ship means a declaration of war, moreover, nuclear, so that all Leo Tolstoy’s words is“ have you already canceled the version of the sinking of the Kursk? Or did I miss the start of a nuclear war?
          the state doesn’t give a damn about the fleet, it’s not only drowned, but also cut up “on needles.” The Russian Federation will now rebuild the entire fleet with a full effort of about 10 years, and about the economy it’s written very expensive, and considering the raw material dependence of the budget it’s also dangerous. maybe one or two.
          I think at the moment I’m not up to the "ocean" fleet, I would have to cover my shores at the beginning. But "Mistral" -nah they do not need these Mistral, the Russian Federation has an amphibious fleet.
          1. Delta
            Delta April 17 2013 21: 08 New
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            Quote: fartfraer
            , the version of the sinking of the Kursk has been canceled?

            was such a version seriously considered by someone?
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 17 2013 21: 30 New
              +1
              Yes, for example, the French who shot the dock film on this topic. And there is nothing to cover these Franks, although I see you have a more convincing version explaining all the oddities of this disaster. Share it?
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop April 17 2013 22: 01 New
                +3
                Quote: fartfraer
                there is nothing to cover these Franks

                Mat cover them. That's enough. Well, where only this bullshit was not discussed. THE LOGGAGE IS COMPLETE, practically EVERYONE who at least once went to sea on a nuclear submarine is unanimous in this
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon April 4 2017 14: 58 New
                  +2
                  And here it is not necessary to distort. Who went to sea and who saw the first compartment of the Kursk (mine-torpedo officers) outside, they say that it was an explosion outside. And do not ask for last names: one took pictures, the other saw and told me.
              2. Delta
                Delta April 17 2013 23: 25 New
                +3
                Quote: fartfraer
                Yes, for example, the French who shot the dock film on this subject. And there is nothing to cover these Frenchmen

                yes, the French are certainly great authorities on our submarines. What is their authoritative statement about some kind of super-special warhead of the MK48 torpedo "burning copper"))))))))))) it is strange that the aliens were not dragged.
                And the strange thing in that disaster is just a little
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer April 18 2013 06: 36 New
                  0
                  Well, thanks for disbelieving me in this mess. With specialists, I don’t argue at all, it remains only to find out what happened to this boat. You don’t share the information, which version is correct? I ask without irony, God forbid
                  1. Delta
                    Delta April 18 2013 10: 16 New
                    0
                    Quote: fartfraer
                    which version is correct?

                    Explosion of your own torpedo. About the causes of the explosion is better not necessary. It will turn out for a long time
                    1. Dest.
                      Dest. 956 April 19 2013 13: 42 New
                      0
                      to fartfraer - go to AVTONOMKA.ORG. You will find out most of the reasons.
                    2. old man54
                      old man54 6 May 2013 16: 12 New
                      +1
                      I read the dialogue long and hard under the article about Kursk here on the site, about a year ago it was. So there you, "Delta", developed such a strange and suspicious activity, the essence of which was only, very generally, that you didn’t just have to kick at the amers either in the version with torpedoes or with a trivial collision with their boat during underwater maneuvering! :( And it was absolutely peremptory and sometimes rudely pushed through the official version of the accident among the forum, “mitigated” by its poor crew training and a general mess in the fleet. I just want to ask wildly why this is so, huh :)) You’re in the fleet department for an hour, and, uncle? :)))
  5. Wolland
    Wolland April 17 2013 09: 27 New
    0
    It was necessary to raise power to the knees, in Russia they slowly harness but quickly jump ...
    1. vadson
      vadson April 17 2013 11: 13 New
      +2
      if only they would not jump further into the nineties at an accelerated pace
    2. DimychDV
      DimychDV April 17 2013 12: 37 New
      +4
      One collective farm chairman recently said: So maybe we are harnessing something wrong? Or are we going the wrong way? Or do we really have nothing to harness?
      As for the Pacific Fleet forces, I would like to have more reasons for optimism. The appearance of the ships is exactly like that, I personally saw the Lazarev and the same ragged destroyer by the wall. And he visited Varyag - and read the year of its release. If two Mistral come to strengthen the forces, I would like to hope that they will be able to carry out their part of the tasks in the fleet as they should. In the Kuril Islands, in the end, water and air almost all year round near zero. But to Hawaii, by the way, it was from there that the Japanese started launching in November 1941. And gentlemen, the amers today have already agreed to support the territorial claims of the Japanese. Are you bored of the next Yamamot aircraft carriers?
  6. Silhouette
    Silhouette April 17 2013 09: 30 New
    +7
    The article did not answer the main question "Does the condition of the Pacific Fleet allow or not successfully counteract any probable enemy or not." Well, here is the "state ... so what? Pirates, parades, visits ... But there is no fleet. One appearance.
    1. Anon
      Anon April 17 2013 09: 40 New
      -5
      Well, of course not.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 17 2013 09: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Silhouette
      One visibility

      even this appearance, as you put it, is enough to cool someone’s dust fleet being built, what else is needed? Russia does not have a printing press like the United States, to print empty money and buy weapons from itself, this independent USSR could afford arm yourself almost for free, modern Russia does not have such an opportunity.

      Universal landing ship "Vladivostok".
      Laid on a slipway of Baltic Shipbuilding Plant LLC on October 1, 2012. As you can see in the photo, the formation of the building block in length is almost completed, the builders have reached the level of overlap between the dock chamber and the hangar for equipment.
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/32076/
    3. Kavtorang
      Kavtorang April 17 2013 09: 50 New
      +5
      Does not allow. If briefly.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 17 2013 22: 19 New
        0
        By the way, they did not notice that in the first photo in the article not 667BDR "Squid", but 667 BDRM "Dolphin". And they are only on the Federation Council.
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 17 2013 09: 47 New
    +5
    • In my opinion, it is no secret to anyone that all duties in the Navy are strictly distributed: lieutenant - must know everything and want to work; Senior lieutenant - must be able to work independently; lieutenant captain - must be able to organize work; captain of 3 rank - must know where and what is being done; captain of 2 rank - must be able to report where and what is being done; captain of 1 rank — must independently find the place in the papers where he needs to sign; admirals - must independently sign where indicated to them; The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy - must be able to clearly and clearly express his agreement with the opinion of the Minister of Defense; Minister of Defense - must be able to express in a sufficiently clear form what the Supreme Commander wants to hear from him;
  8. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 17 2013 09: 49 New
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    I "plyusanul" article - in general, right.
    But in particular: "... it is stated in the sources ..." - it is not stated in the sources, it’s taken, the beginning of the training period, we look and understand - everything is not as expected. Then, on the terrible roar of Lysy, delusional plans for elimination are born, which, of course, remain on paper.
    This, fucking, head of the Far East Project 20380, corvette / guard from Nikolaevsk-on-Amur, we have been waiting for six or seven years. Dizelyuha went to this ry Nikolaevsk, I don’t remember exactly which year, and got lost in -fig. The commander periodically leaves the binge and reports that no fig is being done.
    About destroyers - my cadet love, the author, this ... is not a bit of a topic. No one, except for the "Quick" is planned and even options are not considered. The last masterpiece of the technical management of the fleet was this: the applied GEM scheme does not correspond to the mental abilities and degree of assiduity of the operating personnel.
    Well, about the 100th brigade of landing ships - recently discussed. Before Cape Klerk, in other words, kirdyk, with the whole 155 BRMP (the part of it that can depict a BG can be two dshb, one sadd, one zrdn, one engineering and combat engineer bn, of incomplete composition). About the state of the available equipment - I will not say anything.
    Repair and modernization of TARKR "Admiral Lazarev" is not possible, in principle. Without touching on the general condition of this pile of rusty iron (from a distance resembling a formidable warship), at the time of the collapse of the USSR, there were 3 sets of reloading AZ of ship’s nuclear reactors KN-3. Two used on "Peter I". The gas stations of the Lazarev State Economic University have been unloaded, moreover, it’s unlikely that they will be loaded again ..., let’s say so. For example, I went into the reserve lol
    Well, about the state of coast-based infrastructure, the author, in general, correctly noted. Only, in fact, is still sadder.
    The Mistrals, in the current fleet, are crazy. We look at the map and straits of the Sea of ​​Japan. Where are we taking, where are we planting?
    1. UFO
      UFO April 17 2013 10: 07 New
      -1
      At least on Shikotan, at least on Kamchatka (or not?), At least on Hokkaido (if necessary), and the Indian Ocean is not in the Pacific Fleet’s area of ​​responsibility? Or Magadan on the outskirts, and spit on him? The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is far from being an "inland body of water."
      Quote: Kavtorang
      The Mistrals, in the current fleet, are crazy.

      You say this to the "islanders", not our "crazy" one. negative
      1. Kavtorang
        Kavtorang April 17 2013 10: 29 New
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        “Islanders” - using your term - this is 90% not our watch, not Pacific Fleet.
        This is a watch of the BBO and the forces of the regional border control of the FSB. They believe that the Pacific Fleet will provide everything - in due time, I coordinated plans with these digits for security on my fingers and on the map and explained how sad it would be.
        And why do you need Mistral in the Indian Ocean - can you imagine the escort / support group? Do we have national interests there or fuel to hell?
        About Magadan - forget it. A couple of months ago, our used prezik speech pushed that it wasn’t good to close a military airfield (by the presence of absence) because without it, an ass would come in civilian.
        Shikotan - Have you ever been on it? Imagine depth approaches ?. There, the "passengers" did not come ashore. The Mistral will sink, breaking everything from bow to stern. What is the MP assault battalion to do on this island? There parts of the PDO sit in bunkers.
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV April 17 2013 12: 51 New
          +2
          >> At one time, I agreed with these dolgob6esami plans for security and on the fingers and on the map explained how sad it would be. >>
          True, it was a long time ago, and I am not a prof. military. And a man in the rank of lieutenant general once told me in Sakhalin in 2003: “When I came to work in the apparatus for Pulikovsky, they asked me why I was not attracted to a career in the generals. I explained everything to them on a map with two sweeps of hands. that moment in time, flying at least a South Korean Boeing, at least some Powers from the Pacific Ocean over Sakhalin - and further to the West - there will be nobody to reach him to Novosibirsk. It’s not to be seen, not to catch up with a rocket, not by plane. " Maybe, now I think, in 10 years, at least some S-300s and S-400s have got hold of the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin? ..
          Or military secret?
          1. Kavtorang
            Kavtorang April 17 2013 13: 11 New
            +1
            No.
            All told you correctly. Ask air defense specialists. They will draw theoretical radii right on the map. True, they differ from the actual, somewhat wink
        2. yurta2013
          yurta2013 1 May 2013 13: 59 New
          0
          By the way, what is the sediment of the Mistral? Is it enough to stand at the pier even in Vladivostok? I remember that our Minsk had spilled all its life on a barrel in Rudnev Bay.
    2. abc_alex
      abc_alex April 17 2013 15: 09 New
      0
      Well, who said that the composition of the fleet will be current and beyond? In addition, Mistral is not only a landing ship, it is also a helicopter carrier. The Japanese, which is characteristic, do not suffer, but build Hyugi and do not steam. Moreover, they plan to buildоthe best helicopter carriers.

      Well, yes, like a landing ship Mistral across domestic naval traditions.
      1. TekhnarMAF
        TekhnarMAF April 18 2013 04: 18 New
        0
        Helicopter carrier? Is there an air force Pacific Fleet? What will he wear? Who will fly?
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 17 2013 16: 29 New
      +7
      Quote: Kavtorang
      The Mistrals, in the current fleet, are crazy. We look at the map and straits of the Sea of ​​Japan. Where are we taking, where are we planting?

      Well, thank God, a knowledgeable person. And then I just got tired of proving the obvious - the purchase of the Mistral (in the current state of the fleet) does not have military meaning. Only political corruption.
    4. Galleon
      Galleon April 4 2017 15: 04 New
      +2
      Destroyers are my love too. I’m on the “Burney” from the first crew - from 88 to the 93rd year. And how many years after that I dreamed about him!
  9. Belogor
    Belogor April 17 2013 09: 55 New
    0
    nothing, and at the Pacific Fleet everything will work out, in spite of the detractors of Russia.
  10. Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 April 17 2013 10: 27 New
    12
    Peace be to your home gentlemen !!! It is not clear one thing, our government allocates huge sums of money for the defense of the country, for modernization, and for the repair of what is, but for some reason, NOTHING IS DONE FOR THE DELIVERED TIME !!!! And is it possible for the President, the Minister of Defense, not I wonder WHERE MONEY!? Here the minister criticized Bratsk for the terms ..... And what ??? Did something change from his criticism? Maybe the boat was repaired right away? Dear Minister, would you call the people responsible for the progress of the work and ask would - The boat is worth it? It is worth it !! And where is the money Zin ???? Next, check where these people live, (how many storey mansion) what does his wife move his son and daughter .. Ask, Vasya, where is the good ??? Once a criminal case, with confiscation of property, and real landing !!!! We must clean out all the rot, especially if it concerns the DEFENSE OF OUR MOTHERLAND !! And with one criticism, you will not go far !!!!! Best regards !!!!
  11. Suhov
    Suhov April 17 2013 10: 29 New
    +1
    Also, in the coming years, the first two universal landing ships of the Mistral project will come to the fleet bases.

    Mistrals scold, but wait ... yes
  12. Suhov
    Suhov April 17 2013 10: 33 New
    +1
    All necessary work and measures are associated with large expenditures of finance, time and effort.
    However, there is no choice.

    It got all the same!
    yes
  13. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 17 2013 10: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Sukhov
    Mistrals scold but wait ... yes

    Shot? (C.)
  14. Evgan
    Evgan April 17 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    Interested in one moment. The article says that the Northern Fleet is significantly more powerful than the Pacific Fleet. At the same time, the Pacific Ocean (along with the Indian), in my (non-professional) opinion, are much more strategically important than the Arctic Ocean and the northern exit to the Atlantic. If so, until such a proportion between the two fleets is incomprehensible. Or am I mistaken in something?
    1. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 17 2013 11: 13 New
      0
      Base infrastructure and ship repair (especially) at Pacific Fleet in ...
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 17 2013 16: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: EvgAn
      At the same time, the Pacific Ocean (along with the Indian), in my (non-professional) opinion, are much more strategically important than the Arctic Ocean and the northern exit to the Atlantic.

      The Northern Fleet is important as an element of NATO’s strategic deterrence. On the whole, everything is correct.
      Quote: EvgAn
      If so, until such a proportion between the two fleets is incomprehensible.

      It’s just that the Northern Fleet is better preserved, but they also swear without new ships. Plus, the ground infrastructure there is more qualitative.
  15. Horla
    Horla April 17 2013 11: 06 New
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    Until the thieves in bureaucratic uniforms begin to answer legally for their actions, our fleet does not expect anything good. Shoigu was in the dock, he discovered obvious theft of huge amounts of money. So what? Nothing. From the speech of Medvedev-In 2012, about 40 milliard dollars were withdrawn from the country. / Or 1 trillion. 200 mln rubles / How many ships of the main classes could be built? Yes, the Pacific Fleet would definitely be enough. And will the promised ships be built by 2020? We have built a stadium in St. Petersburg for about 10 years. The cost is like that of an atomic aircraft carrier. And what? There is no money, there is no stadium and there are no guilty either. The most severe punishment is that a person was sent to head the Federation Council
  16. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 17 2013 11: 23 New
    13
    Quote: EvgAn
    are much more strategically important than the Arctic Ocean and the northern exit to the Atlantic. If so, until such a proportion between the two fleets is incomprehensible.

    But what is incomprehensible to you? Baltic and Arkhangelsk / Murmansk / Severodvinsk / Rosterdam, etc. any closer. And it’s warm in the Caspian, and there we have it! Only no one understood - so many figs recourse
    URA-PORCHETS will throw me rotten tomatoes right now, but I’ll give you an idea: during my service at the Pacific Fleet, I entered the combat unit of the Pacific Fleet: 1 small landing trough (just a barge with a ramp) and one hydrograph. Ah, yes: after ten years of painful childbirth on Zvezda, we commissioned the St. George the Victorious - order No. 397. To prevent this prostitution from drowning, we put in a priest. I got it.
    Glory to Russia!!!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 17 2013 11: 41 New
      +1
      Cautorang, could you answer such a question - are people in the fleet like? in the sense of specialists being debited to the shore? how is training going on for ships that have been "repaired" for years? what is the mood of the officers? well, and there’s something else to add.
      I have not been able to serve in the Navy, I ask, in order to compare with personal experience of service on the ground. Thanks for the answer (I hope it will be). Regards
      1. Kavtorang
        Kavtorang April 17 2013 12: 25 New
        10
        For those 3,5 months that I don’t wear epaulettes - I think that packing has not changed globally.
        Just a uniform whore. Commanders of ships of the 1st rank - complete. Although, getting in the region of 100t.r .. .... I’m all known to them either from the old-timers or before leaving for the Academy. The last specialists in the areas are born in 1974-1976, they leave, with the rank of captains of 2-3 ranks. New fainting, replacing absolute downs. The senior lieutenant on the BIP sits and meditates with the entry window in specialized software for a couple of days fellow And this is just about the defective statement.
        Summary: everything is very sad, there are no ships and no officers. About conscripts, I don’t even stutter - there are absolutely imbeciles there, of whom not only on board - you can’t launch them to the pier.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 17 2013 13: 08 New
          0
          ATP for the answer, I can share my personal experience (though on land) - I know a person (colleague) who for three years has been: 1-operator on BMP, 2-san.instructor company, 3-gunner peter.
          with all this, he didn’t have a medical education, he didn’t see anywhere except for exercises (and even then he didn’t shoot even once). for all this, he was an excellent person and, as far as possible, self-taught in vousov as best he could. from a platoon of snipers there was only one who knew svd and how to shoot from it)) commander’s platoon they had a ship foreman (foreman was an foreman) a torpedo player from a submarine. snipers also had a staff clerk and a “hacker,” but you still have to keep in mind that land (of the above) within the army average (if I may say so) is much easier than mastering the complex equipment of ships (it seems to me).
          I draw a conclusion from your comments and my experience that the "professional" army will not be waiting for us soon, the campaign will have to be trained as usual during wars, nothing else. Hope only for air defense
          sadly that's all
          1. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch April 17 2013 22: 36 New
            0
            Quote: fartfraer
            nothing else. Hope only for air defense

            Do you think there are no problems with specialists in air defense? The same sharaga, like all our armed forces, after all the reductions, modernizations, and all sorts of other "operations". On the one hand, it seems like they embarked on the path of the revival of the Army and Navy, and on the other hand, everything with such a creak.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 18 2013 06: 43 New
              +1
              “And what, in air defense, do you think there are no problems with specialists? The same sharaga, like all our armed forces,” “I just don’t have any acquaintances, so I hope naively
        2. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 April 18 2013 00: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Kavtorang
          About conscripts, I don’t even stutter - there are absolutely imbeciles there, of whom not only on board - you can’t launch them to the pier.

          Once, a couple of years ago, we were celebrating with the native day of the Navy, there was a former flagship mechanic 7 operative and his brother-in-law (capraze from the Headquarters of the KSF), and so he talked about contract soldiers.
        3. Dest.
          Dest. 956 April 19 2013 14: 00 New
          0
          What seriously and truly pleases me is that most of our ship commanders can safely rely on in the event of a global nuclear missile war. None of them will go crazy, because for this you need to at least have it, at least. Radzevsky G.A. commander of 7 OPESK SF
        4. yurta2013
          yurta2013 1 May 2013 13: 48 New
          0
          If everything is so bad, then how do TF ships go to sea and make ocean voyages? Indeed, a number of them have been regularly sailing to the shores of Somalia for several years now, and now a detachment of ships is moving into the Mediterranean Sea.
    2. TekhnarMAF
      TekhnarMAF April 18 2013 04: 40 New
      +1
      Kavtorang
      I participated in the repair of the SSBN s.z.№397. It was not a delivery, but a Caesarean section! But it was worse- 395 the order went half blind and deaf, though the BC2 were licked. The communication and location were made by third-party LLCs, ZAOs, which didn’t have a ear or a snout! crying
  17. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 17 2013 12: 23 New
    +3
    He served in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky 89-91 in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, and so our crews were re-equipped in terms of sailors and foremen (slept at combat posts), but the supplies were normal and they weren’t starving, but the naval ones came to us for food and the boys said that the crews are understaffed. I imagine what happened to these wild 90 with Pacific Fleet in general, not only in terms of ships and boats
  18. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 17 2013 13: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: fartfraer
    I draw a conclusion from your comments and my experience that the "professional" army will not be waiting for us soon, the campaign will have to be trained as usual during wars, nothing else. Hope only for air defense
    sadly that's all

    Do not worry! At us and at the level of military commissariats, merriment is going on. Here, my royal majesty, will be accepted for military registration on December 28, 2013 wink Fortunately, I’m now suing the Minister of Defense.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 17 2013 17: 44 New
      0
      even did not suck)) you kind of quit the fleet, so what's the problem of registration?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 17 2013 22: 32 New
        0
        Quote: fartfraer
        What is the problem of registration?

        In Russia, this is still Laf. For 20 years of my condition, a reserve officer of the Ukrainian Navy did not manage to issue me the corresponding document (they did not have forms). Fortunately, I never needed him. And now I'm retired and I don’t care ... laughing
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 18 2013 06: 41 New
          0
          honestly, I never had problems with the military registration and enlistment offices, that surprisingly they themselves fussed more than me on benefits, etc., when I arrived from the contract I didn’t even suspect “bonuses”, but they did everything to me “without my knowledge” and just called and they said to come and pick up the certificate, talked about benefits, etc., although the officers seem to have more difficulties.
  19. ded_73
    ded_73 April 17 2013 13: 33 New
    -1
    Interestingly, what are the criteria for combat readiness and combat readiness in the Russian Navy today?
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 17 2013 13: 51 New
      +3
      the ability to move away from the mooring wall.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 17 2013 13: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: dmitreach
        the ability to move away from the mooring wall.

        To do this, you also need to have the qualities of a seafarer. We had the first cap coming out and the bases for onboard small forward, the smoke from the diesels while the ship was already scattering in Avacha and the second one also came out just along the neighboring ships there was a team with fenders on board to stand, everyone hooked. smile
  20. Megatron
    Megatron April 17 2013 14: 16 New
    +1
    Orlan would be returned, we need such a club!
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex April 17 2013 14: 58 New
      -3
      What for? Someone to scare?
  21. ded_73
    ded_73 April 17 2013 14: 19 New
    -1
    In the Black Sea small Crimean city of my childhood in the summer, not on holiday, one could meet conscripted sailors in white uniforms. Ours, locals, were in the uval in the 2nd form, and these in the 1st (if I am mistaken, correct it). Most often on the demons was - the Pacific Fleet. Oh, where they looked.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop April 17 2013 22: 35 New
      0
      Quote: ded_73
      one could meet conscripted sailors in white uniforms.

      The white flank is form No. 2. Blue - form number 3. And form number 1 is also white pants
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 1 May 2013 13: 06 New
      0
      If your childhood was in the late 70s, then you may have met sailors from the Minsk carrier cruiser or its escort ships, which were preparing in 1978 for the transition to the Pacific Fleet.
  22. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 17 2013 14: 45 New
    +5
    Quote: Megatron
    Orlan would be returned, we need such a club

    I wrote everything about the Lazarev, the return to service of this ship is impossible, for technical reasons.
    But, if, personally you, order the delivery and full replacement of the BIOS for the KR Granit TARKR Admiral Lazarev. You will be able to convince, our management of the MIG concern, that the first thing is our carrier-based aircraft. Order all the anti-air shmatia - and there it is not enough. Give me the money to upgrade the GEM, because the bricks that depict the thermal insulation of the boilers there are just fucking shame at the beginning of the XNUMXst century.
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex April 17 2013 15: 22 New
      0
      As far as I know, the Eagles plan to re-equip Onyxes. The modernization of the Granites is connected with the violation of an agreement restricting the RCC range.

      Further, what side to the Orlanes carrier-based aircraft? And by the way, you are like a seaman, can you tell me at the same time WHAT is it needed? Shock Fighter? Intelligence? Provided that we have only one aircraft carrier? And then nodding at the MiG is one thing, and giving a clear order for the composition of an air wing is another. Today, at least three “branches” of Su-27, MiG-29 and Su-25 aircraft can be attributed to deck. Moreover, their roles are somewhat different :) Or maybe you need carrier-based AWACS?

      GEM - yes. Here most likely kirdyk.
  23. nfyrbcn1971
    nfyrbcn1971 April 17 2013 14: 53 New
    +1
    It’s hard to understand, or rather, everything is clear !!! In communist times, they kept a combat-ready army and navy, fed about a dozen regimes. What is going on now?
    1. Kavtorang
      Kavtorang April 17 2013 15: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: nfyrbcn1971
      In communist times, they kept a combat-ready army and navy, fed a dozen regimes. What is happening now

      You do not set off. How dare you not blame all the sins and calamities: damned tan, paid by the State Department of swamp-sweepers, Geyurop, Melkobritov and Lyagushatnikov ???
  24. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 17 2013 15: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: abc_alex
    Further, what side to the Orlanes carrier-based aircraft? And by the way, you are like a seaman, can you tell me at the same time WHAT is it needed? Shock Fighter? Intelligence? Provided that we have only one aircraft carrier? And then nodding at the MiG is one thing, and giving a clear order for the composition of an air wing is another. Today, at least three “branches” of Su-27, MiG-29 and Su-25 aircraft can be attributed to deck.

    But in such a sideways (we are only talking about ships that really could go out to sea): where is the main targeting complex to target - target designation - then no. Where will the Varangian go ?. Kuznetsov - under repair. Although crap, but there was an air group. BC Kuznetsova - on the shore. Videos about the preparation of our only regiment deck aviation, not a set-off. It has nothing to do with everyday life. It’s not even a question of quality - it’ll be overwhelmed with quantity
    What remains is the coast.
    So I missed. What kind of need is it (about marine aviation). It is all needed, from fighter-bombers to light turboprop attack aircraft, from marine missile carriers to heavy multi-purpose helicopters. Refueling. Clean or convertible transporters, Be-12, what's weak? Was the plane bad? Vietnam has at least one flies
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex April 17 2013 18: 02 New
      -1
      I get it. Then it's not for MiG. This is to Tu and Be. And even then without hope. Reproduction of Soviet models of the period 60-80 years is now impossible.

      Alas...
  25. zemlyak
    zemlyak April 17 2013 15: 58 New
    +3
    Fleet? Rather, the flotilla, it all began with the Siberian flotilla, the flotilla and ends.
  26. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov April 17 2013 16: 02 New
    +4
    Many thanks to the author for the article and the problem raised.
    The tension vector is now shifting towards the Asia-Pacific region. Everyone understands this, but the leadership of our country categorically refuse to understand it. Already now the potential of the Pacific Fleet is inferior to the Navy of the USA, Japan, China, South Korea. If this goes on, then soon we will be helped to overtake us and Vietnam. Last time, a rank 1 ship entered service with the Pacific Fleet in 1992. There were no incomes for 21 years (in general, “point”, full “point”). And in the coming year, there will also be two incomes. I believe that this is a gross negligence, and maybe even a betrayal. Perhaps the Far East is being prepared for surrender. If someone persuades me, then I will only be glad about it.
  27. zemlyak
    zemlyak April 17 2013 16: 30 New
    +2
    Three “admirals”, one “marshal” and forever young “Varangian”. In 91g I saw how Minsk was put to repair at the Dalzavod. Two feelings, admiration and pride! We did not know then that this was the beginning of the end ...
  28. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 17 2013 16: 36 New
    +1
    Thanks for the article. Although the condition of the Pacific Fleet is even somewhat worse than described in it.
    But the Pacific Fleet is main fleet .
    Therefore I constantly speak and I will speak-give new ships to the Pacific Fleet (except for the Mistral, of course). Not the Baltic, not the Black Sea, not the Caspian flotilla, but the Pacific Fleet.
    Moreover, unlike the North, where nuclear submarines are needed first of all, the Pacific needs both submarines and surface ships, and, of course, modernization of ground infrastructure.
  29. lazy
    lazy April 17 2013 16: 54 New
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    judging from the article, the fleet seems to be there, but it seems to be gone, the maximum of the flotilla although it looks beautiful in the parade
  30. lazy
    lazy April 17 2013 16: 56 New
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    probably the fleet needs such ships, and tell the land what kind of BGK?
    1. Delta
      Delta April 17 2013 18: 23 New
      +1
      large hydrographic boat
  31. lazy
    lazy April 17 2013 17: 00 New
    +1
    well, at least diesel submarines are not in one instance and that’s good
  32. lazy
    lazy April 17 2013 17: 01 New
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    is it a minesweeper?
  33. lazy
    lazy April 17 2013 17: 06 New
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    well, there’s still enough fleet on the show
  34. lazy
    lazy April 17 2013 17: 08 New
    +1
    but why such a disproportion in the Pacific Fleet is somewhat BDK ....
  35. xomaNN
    xomaNN April 17 2013 17: 09 New
    +2
    Well, if they come to the Mistral Pacific Fleet, the adversary will tremble with fear. The advantage of modern times is that the treacherous selling practice of selling scrap for the fleet abroad, especially in the past, is carried out by aircraft carriers “Kiev” and “Novorossiysk”.
    1. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 17 2013 17: 12 New
      -2
      Quote: xomaNN
      adversary trembles with fear

      Will fall off laughing soon. Frigates, corvettes? Modern diesel submarines, nuclear submarines? Modern skinny? There is nothing.
      Quote: xomaNN
      especially on the example of aircraft carriers "Kiev" and "Novorossiysk"

      This is another example of the need for a base and repair infrastructure, and not as in the USSR Navy.
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 1 May 2013 13: 16 New
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      I don’t know about “Kiev”. Minsk and Novorossiysk were sold to China.
  36. lazy
    lazy April 17 2013 17: 10 New
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    and one missile cruiser if the article is correct
  37. shinobi
    shinobi April 17 2013 17: 19 New
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    Russian strategists do not have a clear understanding of why the fleet is needed. That's the trouble. The military doctrine of the Russian Federation, and before the USSR did not provide for active wars in the oceans. That is, everyone understands that the fleet is needed as a be, but for what and what to do with it. The main stake is made on submarine missile carriers, but with this everything is clear and inside our navy they are a separate caste. World War II showed that the main military-political events developed on land (Europe, Africa, Asia, Arabia) where the USSR has access, and now Russia , eat by land. A clear understanding of the goals and objectives of the Navy will appear and everything will settle down.
    1. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 17 2013 17: 25 New
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      The main bet is on submarine missile carriers,

      If this is so, then why did the question of BU of the SSBNS relate to and remain "on from ***"?
  38. pinecone
    pinecone April 17 2013 18: 24 New
    +4
    As noted by the distinguished Kavtorang, the problem is not only in the ships and bases. I remember there was such a TV journalist, a Lithuanian by the name Matskevičius, who did not live and work in his very independent homeland, but preferred to feed on TV of the Russian Federation. He was a very liberal fellow, who, among other things, had access to the US Navy ships, from where he kept his reports, showing and telling the Racean audience how gloriously he lives and serves American sailors. Here, here is the galley, where all sorts of delicacies are prepared, and here it is a cockpit, similar to a resort hotel room, etc. And of course, take-off and landing of carrier-based fighters. The spectacle was spectacular, indisputable, but it was especially remembered for a very short, but highly characteristic interview with the aircraft carrier commander. When asked how he understands the task carried out by his subordinates, he, without hesitation, clearly and clearly answered: "Protecting democracy and our markets." There is no doubt that the personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have not yet "grown" to such a level of understanding the meaning of their service, and work in this area will be difficult and responsible. Regimental (brigade) and ship priests can not do here. The names of warships in honor of Orthodox saints, naval commanders, etc., as well as icons and banners, obviously do not work. A likely adversary, not counting the "international" terrorists and pirates, is not indicated. Question: what can the political leadership of the country offer as the basis for the ideological training of military personnel, and is it worth reviving some semblance of GLAVPUR.
  39. lazy
    lazy April 17 2013 18: 50 New
    0
    Thanks, otherwise I would have thought so. that b-battle, k- ship, but g-incomprehensible)))
  40. Naval
    Naval April 17 2013 19: 23 New
    +1
    Everything is as always: "We will destroy the whole world of violence / To the foundation, and then / We are ours, we will build a new world, / Who was nothing, that will become everything." First, to defeat everything, and then overcoming ..., with inhuman efforts .. rebuild. A colleague told me how they drove docks built in Finland for the needs of the Pacific Fleet and handed over to the fleet in the late 80s to scrap metal. The ships were 7-8 years old. The prosecutor's office took up this matter, the crew was dragged for interrogations, and they calmed down.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 1 May 2013 13: 23 New
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      As far as I remember, the first floating dock arrived in Chashma Bay from Japan, it seems, in 1984. And delivering them from Finland was hardly possible.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 1 May 2013 14: 31 New
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        I don’t know whose dock, but in 1983 I saw the Finnish floating ship in Kamchatka. Even lived on the experience
  41. Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 April 17 2013 20: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Colonel
    Why did the economy of the USSR contain a fleet that guaranteed the country's security, and now they tell us that "we cannot"?


    4 aircraft carrier 8 cruisers, 20 destroyers and 15 multipurpose nuclear submarines did not dream of our Navy even at the dawn of the USSR. To build such a fleet is not currently pocketed by the same China and the United States.
    1. Col.
      Col. April 17 2013 22: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Scythian 35
      4 aircraft carrier 8 cruisers, 20 destroyers and 15 multipurpose nuclear submarines did not dream of our Navy even at the dawn of the USSR. To build such a fleet is not currently pocketed by the same China and the United States.

      You are clearly “off topic” We didn’t have aircraft carriers, right (but the USA has only 11 atomic ones). Multipurpose submarines we had about 170 (one hundred seventy) units. Guess the number of ships of other classes yourself.
      1. Waterfall
        Waterfall April 18 2013 12: 10 New
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        Quote: Colonel
        Multipurpose submarines we had about 170 (one hundred seventy) units

        Two times less, about 80.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 April 18 2013 00: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Scythian 35
      4 aircraft carriers 8 cruisers, 20 destroyers and 15 multi-purpose submarines did not dream of our Navy even at the dawn of the USSR

      In the late 80s, the fleet forces (strategic and general purpose) included more than 100 squadrons and divisions, and the total number of personnel of the USSR Navy was about 450 (including 000 thousand in the marine corps). In the combat formation of the fleet were 12,6 surface ships of the ocean and far sea zones, 160 strategic nuclear submarines of the second generation, 83 multipurpose nuclear submarines and 113 diesel-electric ones.
      Here are some data on the composition of the USSR Navy at the end of the 1980s: 64 nuclear and 15 diesel submarines with ballistic missiles, 79 submarines with cruise missiles (including 63 nuclear), 80 multipurpose torpedo nuclear submarines (all data on submarines January 1, 1989), four aircraft carrying ships, 96 cruisers, destroyers and missile frigates, 174 patrol and small anti-submarine ships, 623 boats and minesweeper, 107 landing ships and boats. A total of 1380 warships (not counting auxiliary vessels), 1142 combat aircraft (all data on surface ships as of July 1, 1988).
      At 1991, the year at the shipbuilding enterprises of the USSR was built: two aircraft carriers (including one nuclear), 11 nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles, 18 multipurpose nuclear submarines, seven diesel submarines, two missile cruisers (including one nuclear), 10 destroyers and large anti-submarine ships, etc.
  42. Nikolai N
    Nikolai N April 17 2013 22: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: Kavtorang
    Quote: EvgAn
    are much more strategically important than the Arctic Ocean and the northern exit to the Atlantic. If so, until such a proportion between the two fleets is incomprehensible.

    But what is incomprehensible to you? Baltic and Arkhangelsk / Murmansk / Severodvinsk / Rosterdam, etc. any closer. And it’s warm in the Caspian, and there we have it! Only no one understood - so many figs recourse
    URA-PORCHETS will throw me rotten tomatoes right now, but I’ll give you an idea: during my service at the Pacific Fleet, I entered the combat unit of the Pacific Fleet: 1 small landing trough (just a barge with a ramp) and one hydrograph. Ah, yes: after ten years of painful childbirth on Zvezda, we commissioned the St. George the Victorious - order No. 397. To prevent this prostitution from drowning, we put in a priest. I got it.
    Glory to Russia!!!
    Didn’t throw you slippers? You see, thinking and knowing, it’s not a little, at least it pleases. Unlike the fleet. My heart hurts when the conversation about the fleet begins. And then there are these cheers patriots with their stupid cries. Where do they just come from?
  43. Onil
    Onil April 18 2013 03: 10 New
    0
    Yes, no one will send Mistrals to the Pacific Fleet to be killed there in 3 years. The highways for the "white" fleet are built for huge bucks. And at the Pacific Fleet, the mess full of dashing 90s continues!
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 18 2013 04: 10 New
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      Quote: Onil
      Yes, no one will send Mistrals to the Pacific Fleet to be killed there in 3 years. The highways for the "white" fleet are built for huge bucks. And at the Pacific Fleet, the mess full of dashing 90s continues!

      They will send it to the Pacific Fleet. On other fleets, it’s impossible to imagine tasks other than for use as a yacht.
      As for the mess in the spirit of the 90s, it’s everywhere. Only in the 90s there was a mess without money, but with still old shots. And now there is a mess with money (though they disappear all the time somewhere), but with an already corresponding " trained "personnel.
  44. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 18 2013 03: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Onil
    no one will send Mistrals to the Pacific Fleet to be killed there in 3 years. The highways for the "white" fleet are built for huge bucks. And at the Pacific Fleet, the mess full of dashing 90s continues!

    I am afraid that you are mistaken.
    Just because of the implementation of the political course, this couple will come to the Pacific Fleet. I’m not a prophet, but the hook-ups will begin immediately: what about the BIOS? where will we keep the ships? where is the deck-based squadron ?, which air base will it form? At least one crew, except for two drunks from Nikolaevka, has clearance for flights from the deck? Those. the use of this trough in the status of an aircraft carrier, at least, does not make sense, until the readiness of the air group.
    No air group - no ship with UDC status. Is not it?
    Or is it still a landing vehicle or a landing transport dock or a landing helicopter ship - a dock
    If you do not need an air group, then why do you need this "Armored Carrier"?
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 18 2013 04: 26 New
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      Quote: Kavtorang
      I am not a prophet, but the hook-ups will begin immediately: where will we keep the ships? where is the deck-based squadron?

      I am more "pleased" escort ships. Varangian without target designation and BOD. The Japanese immediately faint from such a sight.
  45. Jack Vosmerkin
    Jack Vosmerkin April 18 2013 04: 21 New
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    The fleet needs to be restored. And the faster the better !!
  46. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 18 2013 04: 26 New
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    Quote: Jack Vosmerkin
    The fleet needs to be restored. And the faster the better !!

    And we would be without you - hell would have guessed wink
    Your suggestions?
    1. Jack Vosmerkin
      Jack Vosmerkin April 18 2013 04: 43 New
      0
      Well, for starters, the order needs to be put in place, to disperse any sucker that sticks to the fleet
  47. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 18 2013 04: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Odyssey
    I am more "pleased" escort ships. Varangian without target designation and BOD. The Japanese immediately faint from such a sight.

    What would they hit especially? About the new Pacific Fleet ships - these are all higher. All our Pacific Fleet is in the palm of your hand. Polygon shooting. We calculated the appropriate outfit of aviation and naval weapons. Checked for the presence of countermeasures. Once again, their Patriots and guard duty numbed. Well, and if necessary - started. 400 KR in a salvo (these are only coastal) - I had wink
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 18 2013 05: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Kavtorang
      What would they hit especially?

      Yes, I'm ironic wink . To buy UDC without having at all one normal escort ship is strong. It only remains to laugh.
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 1 May 2013 13: 40 New
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      Already in Japan, then, I think, our ship missiles will fall without target designation from airplanes. No need to belittle the fighting capabilities of the Pacific Fleet. In addition, we also have air defense, including ship defense. I hope that it has not yet collapsed completely and is capable of covering at least ships and fleet facilities.
  48. I think so
    I think so April 19 2013 00: 04 New
    -1
    What are themselves and sledges ... Touching with a colorful coat of arms on the deck of the Premier League ... and an incomprehensible flag unknown to anyone in the world ...
    1. Col.
      Col. April 19 2013 18: 03 New
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      Quote: I think so
      and an incomprehensible flag unknown to anyone in the world ...

      This flag, my dear, is known to sailors of all the fleets of the world!
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 1 May 2013 13: 32 New
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      The history of your fleet needs to be known and respected at least a little.