Demographics cannot be corrected by evicting families from cities

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Demographics cannot be corrected by evicting families from cities
Here is a typical place reserved for families with children: at least the streets have been filled and electricity has been installed, but for the rest, you'll have to take care of it yourself.


I read the article by Evgeniy Beloshapko "Megacities as a brake on industrialization" several times. There was clearly some flavor in it, but I couldn't catch it for a long time. No, this is not the author's assertion that megacities are not friends with industry. Anyone more or less familiar with the economics history Europe, it is known that megalopolises were created by industry, especially large industry. Or Beloshapko cites data that there are 725 thousand industrial workers in Moscow. This, by the way, is 7,1% of the total number of industrial workers in Russia - a very considerable concentration of labor force. This is not it. This is a dispute around the obvious and well-known.



In the end, I managed to grasp what was wrong with the article, or rather, with the method it presented. And I will formulate it in my characteristic spirit: "Don't stop us from eating!"

However, first things first.

People perform functions


Although the discussion began with economic issues, the root of the demographic problem is nonetheless: why do we need children at all? That is, in a more precise sense, why do we need a younger generation of people?

Historically, there were usually no problems with answering this question. For example, the Russian State was in great need of peasants and soldiers, which is why it encouraged families and childbearing in them in every possible way, right up to the legislative ban on spouses living separately. It is understandable. Peasants are bread, the basis of everything. Soldiers in various forms are the protection of all the sovereign, master's and people's property from foreign robbers. The people had no doubts about the need for soldiers and peasants who feed the soldiers, and those who doubted were dispelled, for example, by the raids of the Crimean Tatars.

In any more or less developed society and, especially, in any state, each person has a certain social and economic function that he or she performs at working age. And, therefore, the same generalized functions are present in communities of people that form populated areas. Somewhere there are peasant villages where the land is plowed and grain is grown, somewhere there are troops, somewhere there are mines and factories that extract and produce something, somewhere there is horse-drawn transport, water transport, and railway transport. Everywhere there are people who perform the functions assigned to these places.

Accordingly, by placing the population in certain places or creating conditions for placing the population in these places, we are dealing with the reinforcement of a certain function imposed on these people. Children who are born into families in these places are, in principle, thought of as people who will inherit the performance of these same functions - the place of their fathers and grandfathers. "Instead of" and "patrimony" are words that have already become half-erased, like an old coin, but the meaning is clear: a grown-up son takes his father's sabre, puts his foot in the stirrup and goes to war, since the sovereign has ordered it. This principle concerned almost everyone, except, perhaps, the most inveterate rabble.

Since most public and state functions were related to material production, people were generally considered to be a workforce. In an economic sense, workers are part of fixed assets, and the costs of developing, educating and training children and youth are equivalent to investments in fixed assets, like buying a machine tool in installments over 20 years. For a number of reasons, it was not customary for us to look at the issue in this way, and therefore the costs of reproducing the workforce, equivalent to capital investments, dissolved in the total volume of consumption. But necessity forced us to do so.

If anyone is interested, from this point of view, migrants are rented fixed assets. If a migrant works for a long time and then naturalizes, this is a kind of leasing. We will not develop this now.

Eviction of families from cities


In our modern society, why do we need children, that is, a new generation of people? Thinking about this question, you come to the conclusion that, in general, there is no need. We have no large-scale ideas and programs, no long-term plans and intentions, not even a clear understanding of the unity of the national economy, in which production and consumption are very closely connected and intertwined. The general impression from the behavior and morals of our society: to gobble everything up. By the way, reinforced by the cult of shashlik and entire departments in large stores with shashlik accessories.

Such a society does not need children. Moreover, in such a society children are competitors in consumption.

Now let's turn to the ideas of evicting families somewhere to the countryside, outlined in the article by Evgeny Beloshapko. He, however, is far from being the inventor of this method. Many years ago, at least 15 years ago, I had to visit Omsk and discuss there the idea of giving large families land plots. They were given practically former arable land, without roads, communications, on the outskirts and next to the 500-volt power line. Even then, this was presented as something progressive.

But in essence, such an approach is the desire of a family with children or planning to evict children. This is where it gets interesting. Where to evict is more or less clear: rural areas or poorly developed outskirts. But from where? It turns out, from megacities or more or less large cities. Let's not forget that 75% of the population of Russia lives in cities, and about 25% of the country's population lives in megacities. That is, out of four families planning to have children, three will be from cities, and one will be from a megalopolis, that is, a million-plus city.

Given that in cities and especially megacities our standard of living is noticeably higher, it turns out that the approach described by Beloshapko, with which many agree, actually involves depriving families with children or planning to have children of this standard of living.

How else can this be described if not as: "Don't interfere with us while we eat"?!

Moreover, the conversation in the comments under his article became very interesting. The assertion of some cheapness of individual housing construction for families began. And this cheapness soon began to be supported by assertions that, supposedly, asphalt roads are not needed, a dirt road will do. Well, yes, heavy trucks with building materials will drive along this dirt road, fill the track, then it will rain, and the dirt road will turn into an impassable swamp.


Great photo: "Family Values" - right where the asphalt ends.

You can save on the water supply - they will carry water from a well or a borehole. You can save on the sewerage - they will carry a garbage can. You can save on the power grid - a wind turbine or a solar battery for a couple of light bulbs, and also for discussions about the development of "green energy". And so on.

You have to pay for everything. Utility systems greatly save on household labor costs, and their absence or insufficient development means that families are burdened with labor costs. And not instead of the main work, but along with it and after it. Tired or not, but carry a bucket of water or carry coal for the stove. No sewerage or running water - you can't use a washing machine, and then washing clothes turns into a non-trivial and very labor-intensive task. During the era of illiteracy, women had a term - "recurrent illiteracy", that is, when a woman who learned to read and write forgot these skills, crushed by household chores, especially laundry.


As a reminder of what hand washing was like before the era of communal amenities and washing machines

Well, okay, these families will get a hernia, but they will build a house, have 3-4 children, and somehow raise them in an unsettled, labor-intensive life... And what, will the gentlemen from the megalopolises accept these children with open arms? Don't make me laugh!

First there was a goal


To understand why we need children, we need to set some kind of goal. And not for 2-3 years or so. The planning horizon is at least 50 years. Because children born in 2025 will become adults in 2043, and their prime of strength and skills will come in the 2050s and even the 2060s.

If we are talking about demographic policy, that is, the reproduction of at least 3-4 generations, then the planning horizon will be about 100 years. Of course, it is difficult or impossible to make precise plans for such a period, but some intention for this period must be formulated, and it must become guiding.

Then, from the nature of the goal, it is quite easy to derive the social and economic measures necessary for its achievement, and from them, the functions that people must perform in certain places are derived. When there is a function, then it is possible to plan the construction or reconstruction of some settlement, and there to provide conditions, including housing and economic ones, for families with children or planning to have children.


A good example of functional housing: houses for railway employees, built before the revolution. This house at the Bologoye-Polotskoye station. Very high-quality housing for those times, including for a family whose children would also be railway workers.

Moreover, based on the set of functions required to achieve the goal, one can even calculate how many people will be needed for this, how many should be born, what the population growth should be and where exactly, and what material resources need to be invested to ensure this growth. The entire plan becomes calculable, and therefore feasible. Only on this basis can the demographic problem be solved.

In other words, to resolve the demographic crisis, we need exactly what we have been despising, trampling on and eradicating for more than 50 years – ideas that go beyond the life of a specific person, both in terms of time and scale, and the activities associated with this. You know: “Why are you daydreaming?”, “You have to live now!”, “You have to know how to get by in life!” and so on. This is the pseudo-worldly “wisdom” that we have been cultivating for decades and for about three generations. This is what has given rise to the demographic nosedive.

The point is that children are born in principle so that they inherit the business that their parents were engaged in, in the form of results, experience, skills, transmitted in the process of upbringing. That is, the purpose of childbearing is to pass on to them its function.

If society is only occupied with consumerism and sees this as the only basis for its existence, then what can it pass on to its children? Even the contents of the toilet, left after tasting delicacies, have long been washed away by the still-functioning sewer system. There is nothing to leave, and there is no reason to. This senselessness of consumer existence blocks childbearing, leads to a reduction in population with the prospect of complete or almost complete disappearance.

I don't know if Yevgeny Beloshapko will understand or accept my reasoning. However, it doesn't matter. People with the slogan "Consume!" will inevitably disappear, and they will be replaced by other people. Whether these other people will be bearded or shaved - it's up to the cards.
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  1. +4
    30 July 2025 04: 50
    A complicated explanation of the idea, to be honest, like demography, at the end of the thought that people need as many as needed, apparently needed for maintenance and extraction of minerals, due to which the top brass lives beautifully? If you want to resettle residents, you need to provide conditions for this, otherwise people simply will not go, trivially provide work, in large cities there is no work, this is not about fairy tales that now there is a shortage of workers, there is a shortage of qualified people, but at the same time every employer still thinks that there is a queue behind the fence, and when the staff leaves, sheds crocodile tears that there is not enough staff, in fact 50% of vacancies are empty or fraudulent. And the plan for jobs has not gone anywhere, this is when the administrations need a figure of created jobs, and enterprises allegedly create them, and when the applicant comes to the interview, he is politely refused, not because he is bad, there are simply no jobs in reality. So it's not surprising that people are taken out to a bare field and told how great it will be to live here, and then they jump into cars and happily run away from there, while families stand confused in the rain and "rejoice" in their "happiness"...
    1. +4
      30 July 2025 08: 57
      It's too late to do anything. The management probably knows about it.
    2. +4
      30 July 2025 13: 31
      There is work in large cities. And it is varied. But in villages and small towns there are problems with employment.
      This is precisely why people are fleeing from the "hinterlands" to large cities.
      By the way, are there many migrant workers in the villages? You should also look for "Rafshans and Dzhamshuts" there. There are plenty of such people in large cities.

      I don't know where the fake jobs are, but in real production, the shortage of workers is not a fake. And this has led to a good welder receiving a salary that office plankton can't even dream of.
  2. +14
    30 July 2025 05: 29
    To live in the countryside, you need an economic base. Like in the USSR: in a small town there is some kind of production, a factory, a collective farm. A person understands that in the countryside he will have everything else for life.
    Why do people from villages go to the city? There is no work, the level of medicine leaves much to be desired. The school can be in the neighboring settlement, and much more.
    In general, for the “high-minded” initiatives of individual Duma members, they should be stripped of their powers.
    1. +5
      30 July 2025 06: 25
      In general, Verkhotuitsev speaks interestingly. Especially about the encouragement of the Russian state to have children. Then. Yes, there was no encouragement, there was a vital necessity. In the peasant community, workers were needed, and there was no medicine. Hence the high infant mortality rate, hence the need for more children. That was all the concern then. About moving from the city to the land. My family moved fifteen years ago from glorious Smolensk to the countryside, to Kuban. The reason? The climate was needed dry, because of the health problems of the wife. Of course, they chose a place where you can find work and housing.. We would not go to a place where you need to carry a garbage can and get water from a well.
      1. +1
        30 July 2025 08: 07
        There was no encouragement, there was a vital necessity. The peasant community needed workers.

        don't forget about the land, it's only for male workers
    2. -8
      30 July 2025 08: 27
      "We were born to make fairy tales come true!"

      Quote: kebeskin
      To live in a rural area, you need an economic base.

      There are outlines of such a base. The simplest thing is greenhouses.

      In the future, let's say, 1 hectare will be "driven" under a roof, and in about 20 floors (already 20 hectares). And they will grow there everything that "the party orders". And the harvest will not depend on the weather... And not in the ground, but in a biosaturated solution for different crops is different... And new "collective farmers" will walk around in white coats and only press buttons when to plant, when to harvest. And they will have a strictly regulated working day of 8 hours, a forty-hour work week with two days off and a thirty-day vacation - in general, everything that our grandfathers fought for in 1917.

      Do you think it's fantasy? Not at all. All of this already exists, but in a fragmented form and spread thinly across the entire country.
      1. 0
        30 July 2025 11: 13
        Yeah, only for modern Russia - "We were born to make a fairy tale into Pain!" laughing Yes
    3. -2
      30 July 2025 13: 36
      "Pre-revolutionary Russia occupied first place in terms of capital concentration."
      Where capital is concentrated, the population increases. In the conditions of our vast expanses and poor road infrastructure, the concentration of capital and labor resources is due to entirely objective reasons. So megalopolises will continue to grow. And not only in Russia. No "initiatives" will be able to stop this trend.
      Well, those who are richer will move to the suburbs, to abandoned villages and hamlets around big cities. But the tentacles of megalopolises will eventually reach there too.
    4. 0
      31 July 2025 14: 00
      >> To live in a rural area, you need an economic base.

      Can you imagine, that's where I started laughing
      Resolving the demographic crisis and reindustrialization are tasks that can and should be solved simultaneously.
      But comrade Verkhoturov again reduced everything to the village smile
    5. P
      +1
      2 August 2025 14: 23
      more: dirt, pointless housework, insects (which were actually easily and simply exterminated by regions during the Soviet Union), lack of leisure and public spaces, lack of peers for children, field and garden work, interruption of transport in winter and spring
  3. +12
    30 July 2025 05: 41
    If anyone is interested, from this point of view, migrants are rented fixed assets. If a migrant works for a long time and then naturalizes, this is a kind of leasing

    Using this principle, it would be possible to hire an army and officials on lease.
    Why waste time on trifles... let's take on the presidential administration together with him right away... let's lease the Swiss with their standard of living. smile
    In my region there is so much space and land for building new settlements... France could fit in.
    But how to do this with such a system of the state’s attitude towards an individual person, oppressed by all sorts of levies, fines, taxes, obligations, prohibitions... I can’t even imagine.
    It's all empty... building the foundation of your future on sand and swamp.
    1. +6
      30 July 2025 06: 47
      But inviting the Varangians isn't the worst idea.
      1. +12
        30 July 2025 06: 51
        Quote: Enny
        But inviting the Varangians isn't the worst idea.

        Catherine had such an experience with the resettlement of Germans to the southern provinces of Russia...quite successful.
        German settlements with their neat houses and streets still exist.
        It’s true that many Germans left for Germany in the 90s.
        Better these...than the Tajiks and Uzbeks with their village traditions that are destroying our lives.
      2. +8
        30 July 2025 06: 58
        Only for some reason they call the Pechenegs and Polovtsians.
    2. +1
      30 July 2025 08: 35
      Let's lease the Swiss with their standard of living.

      I advise you to visit tpm. Most likely you will doubt their standard of living... At least if you leave the main streets of the cities. And if you go to a disco at 21:00, you will definitely remember our 90s.
      1. +1
        30 July 2025 12: 41
        I wonder what you would say about the standard of living in England after visiting a garage rave in south London smile .
    3. P
      -1
      2 August 2025 14: 27
      this fraternity is replaced by 99.9999 corporate planning and management systems (ERP) + AI. The remaining positions - strategic planning and control can and should be replaced by elected ones from a step-by-step system of councils
      1. 0
        3 August 2025 14: 22
        Why do we need elected ones? They are also not needed in this case.
        1. P
          +1
          4 August 2025 22: 33
          1 AI can't set strategic goals 2 The off button must be in someone's hands 3 Mistakes are inevitable, control is mandatory
  4. +14
    30 July 2025 05: 56
    Try to correct the demographics by paying people the same salaries as in Moscow for the same work. Make the same social security. There will be no need to move.
    Allow producers in the villages to sell their own products (grain, timber) and process them, rather than sell them to speculators at low prices. In the villages, it would be possible to produce their own bakery products, make their own furniture from their own timber, etc.
    1. +2
      30 July 2025 08: 03
      Tell me, how will the same farmer, let's take an average one, sell his harvest directly, for example, for export? Yes, many large flour mills have a large staff of buyers and regional ones too, who directly buy grain from farmers. And don't think that the former will give away his harvest for cheap now, they closely monitor prices, the market and are well aware of the situation and many have excellent storage facilities that allow them to calmly store the grain harvest without any losses. There are plenty of small bakeries, in our city the bread factory stopped baking bread, because there are bakeries baking tasty bread and not at exorbitant prices, and switched to the production of bread crumbs and something else, so study the material a little.
    2. +2
      30 July 2025 08: 11
      Try to correct the demographics by paying people the same salaries as in Moscow for the same work. Make the same social security. There will be no need to move.

      exactly!
      for example: an electric train from St. Petersburg to a village (a neighboring region) for St. Petersburgers costs 1 ruble, and for locals - at full price...
      and so on - all around...
    3. +3
      31 July 2025 14: 03
      And people won't give birth with such salaries, just like that. Read some forum of representatives of the banned social movement with the letter F, they will write to you that if a woman gets a million a month, and then is forced to get more because of childcare (or sacrifice part of her salary to a nanny) - then these are "reproductive costs" and they need to be paid for separately.
    4. 0
      31 July 2025 15: 43
      Sorry, typo: receive not more, but, naturally, less.
    5. +1
      1 August 2025 12: 27
      That's why in Moscow they pay 3 times more than, say, in Bologoye. For the same work. That the provinces are 3rd grade. Then they wonder why everyone is flocking to the capitals.
      1. P
        0
        2 August 2025 14: 31
        you are wrong. In Moscow they pay more because no one will go for less, and those who are there will leave. In Bologoye there is nowhere to go and you can't go on strike with your feet. IT specialists similarly get paid more not only because the job requires unique skills, but because they can go on strike with their feet not only against a specific bourgeois, but also against the entire state machine of parasites. And successfully, too.
        1. 0
          2 August 2025 15: 10
          Quote: Pandemic
          you are wrong. In Moscow they pay more because no one will go for less, and those who are there will leave. In Bologoye there is nowhere to go and you can't go on strike with your feet. IT specialists similarly get paid more not only because the job requires unique skills, but because they can go on strike with their feet not only against a specific bourgeois, but also against the entire state machine of parasites. And successfully, too.

          I'll tell you more - there is the Internet. Thanks to which the average IT specialist can work... anywhere, practically. Even in Australia, sitting at home, in the Russian Federation. I am one of them, I know what I am talking about Yes
  5. +3
    30 July 2025 06: 44
    I've been saying this for several years now. There's nowhere to work and there are no plans to.
  6. +7
    30 July 2025 06: 44
    I liked Dmitry's reasoning. I managed to live in a barracks with stove heating in the city and in my own house in the suburbs in my mother-in-law's. And all the technological progress in everyday life happened before my eyes. This includes the first TV and washing machine, sewing machines in almost every family.
    Here the Soviet power after the war freely distributed land of five hundred square meters in the suburbs for individual construction for free use. Then they laid water pipes and electricity. The roads are unpaved. These settlements still stand around the cities. After the coup of 91 they were allowed to privatize them. Houses were molded from whatever was available. Now they are undergoing private modernization and are being transformed into cottage settlements, sometimes with hot heating. As a rule, young families built them and then usually had two or three children.
    What was good about these villages then and now is the presence of kindergartens, city schools and a clinic and hospital with the proper level, and you could walk to them, which is not unimportant. This is one of the directions for improving demography. So to speak, tested by life itself. hi
  7. +6
    30 July 2025 07: 14
    The image of a happy family with many children does not fit into the tight confines of nearby multi-story buildings-human anthills. But it can be easily imagined in your own modern home against the backdrop of beautiful nature.

    What awaits us in the future? And here it is useful to look at global trends. And the world is moving towards the growth of "satellite cities" (compact settlements with good infrastructure near megacities). A return to low-rise construction in developed countries (Europe, USA). The densification of development is happening in Asia and Africa due to population growth.

    And what do we see in Russia? The extinction of small towns and villages. Overload of capitals (transport, housing, ecology). Growing inequality between the center and the regions: the capital elite and the abandoned provinces. "Krasnodarization": more and more people from Siberia and the central regions are trying to move to the south.

    Russia is at a crossroads. Without systemic reforms (in the economy, demography, regional policy) — it will face increased inequality, the extinction of regions and dependence on migrants.
    1. +6
      30 July 2025 09: 35
      Quote: Stas157
      We can expect increasing inequality, the extinction of regions and dependence on migrants.

      Why wait? It already exists.
      1. P
        +1
        2 August 2025 14: 33
        Norilsk. Try selling an apartment there, yeah.
        1. +2
          2 August 2025 14: 51
          Quote: Pandemic
          Norilsk. Try selling an apartment there, yeah.

          A wonderful city, houses on stilts... apartments there are not in great demand now, yes.
  8. +7
    30 July 2025 07: 17
    Why keep pouring the same thing over and over again, we have a decline in the Slavic population and this cannot be changed! They have written everywhere that the point of no return has long been passed, they do not want to give birth, many are fine as is. Large families, of which there are not many, do not change anything at all. All state programs are more of a show. Ardent patriots will die out, and the country will dissolve into bearded and cross-eyed people, and they certainly do not need such open spaces that will quickly be snatched up by neighbors. Those grabbers who rule us and their degenerates think that they will parasitize forever, but their descendants will get their fill
    1. +4
      30 July 2025 07: 51
      We will depend more and more on labor migrants. Then the integration of migrants into politics, business, culture is inevitable... The Islamization of the country has long been in full swing. And at some point the bearded ones will ask the towers to share power. And the towers will no longer be able to refuse.
      Orthodox Byzantium in the Middle Ages turned into Muslim Turkey (Ottoman Empire). Isn't a similar fate awaiting us?
  9. +6
    30 July 2025 07: 28
    We need to stop believing the slogans of the Kremlin towers, we need to understand the essence that for the founders of the state existing in the Russian Federation, there is only one goal - to extract profit, and the rest - victory in the war in Ukraine, demography, etc. - is secondary. In order to change the situation, we need to change the founders. But this is already a question of the presence of a political system in the country.
  10. +1
    30 July 2025 07: 41
    The manual washing machine is still lying on the balcony. Just in case.
  11. +4
    30 July 2025 07: 50
    Let's not forget that 75% of the population of Russia lives in cities, and approximately 25% of the population — in megacities.

    and the villages and their inhabitants were written off "to the shore"?
    or 100% of the population is not 100?
    1. +2
      30 July 2025 20: 59
      Learn Boolean sets. All megacities are cities, but not all cities are megacities.
  12. +4
    30 July 2025 07: 57
    The author apparently doesn't like shashlik? What does the sale of shashlik devices and other gadgets have to do with demography? Do people go out somewhere every day or eat shashlik in their own yard? Total nonsense. What's wrong with an individual well and why can't you install a washing machine? There are as many pumps of various types and capacities as you like. Sewage? Septic tanks for every taste and capacity have been invented for a long time. In general, one gets the impression that the authors who squeeze the same type of articles about demography here do it exclusively for a fee, or to collect more comments with all the ensuing consequences.
    1. -3
      30 July 2025 08: 22
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      the authors who put up similar articles about demography here do so solely for a fee, or to get more comments

      Do you think there is no problem or it is not worth writing about?
      I have a different opinion. Demography is destiny. Without people there is no economy, army and future.
      The president himself told us about the most serious problems in demography. You won't argue with him? Or do you think he did this for likes and a fee?
      1. +3
        30 July 2025 08: 25
        There is a problem, and it is the most acute, but writing the same thing, and often with really unrealistic ideas and fantasies...all the authors voice, but as for suggestions...look, as they say, in the comments, and maybe you'll find some pearl.
    2. -2
      30 July 2025 10: 09
      I have read Evgeny Beloshapko’s article “Megacities as a Brake to Industrialization” several times.

      At the very beginning of the article. It's like a big commentary to it. So, Beloshapko claims that it's worth building a cheap village, without wells, septic tanks and asphalt roads.
      1. 0
        31 July 2025 14: 07
        "Without wells and septic tanks" - you came up with that laughing
        Boiler houses or gas, common water pumping station and common sewerage with aeration fields - this is how we will raise the demographics, and not with your fantasies about houses with a stove )))
        And without asphalt roads. At least it is not a mandatory condition winked
  13. -1
    30 July 2025 08: 03
    We have no large-scale ideas and programs, no long-term plans and intentions, we don’t even have a clear understanding of the unity of the national economy.

    We have them, but our authorities don’t...
  14. +3
    30 July 2025 08: 15
    Until optimizations are made: work, medicine, kindergartens and schools in the villages are not provided, no one will go there.
    1. +1
      30 July 2025 08: 27
      Villages are not all the same, well that was the case before - one collective farm or state farm and the villages that are part of it are thriving, but literally across the road, pardon me, everything is drowning in shit and rusty combines and tractors.
    2. +2
      30 July 2025 21: 50
      Quote: born007
      Until optimizations are made: work, medicine, kindergartens and schools in the villages are not provided, no one will go there.

      There is so much work in the village - but not office work.
      Migrant workers are leaving, ours don't want to plow the fields for 50. And paying more is pointless - the products will be more expensive and they will take less of them
      1. P
        +1
        2 August 2025 14: 39
        People have not had to plow the fields for a long time. Tractors and combines can plow without a person day and night without any problems. But for this to work we need: industry and space, science and education, cities for technicians and agronomists, small aircraft to deliver repairmen to broken equipment. All this will pay off beautifully, but it only works together and in a planned economy. For which, naturally, the current system is not suitable.
        1. 0
          2 August 2025 14: 47
          Quote: Pandemic
          For which, naturally, the current system is not suitable

          Stop this world - I'll get off. It just came to mind, sorry request
          1. P
            -1
            2 August 2025 14: 51
            A person's salary will always be more expensive than a car. It's a fact
            1. +1
              2 August 2025 14: 52
              Quote: Pandemic
              A person's salary will always be more expensive than a car. It's a fact

              Hm. I didn't get it, translate it into Russian. What is more important to whom?
              1. P
                -1
                2 August 2025 14: 53
                unmanned systems do not require salaries for driving equipment, it is always cheaper
                1. 0
                  2 August 2025 14: 54
                  Quote: Pandemic
                  unmanned systems do not require salaries for driving equipment, it is always cheaper

                  I will never get into an "unmanned system".
            2. +1
              2 August 2025 23: 30
              Quote: Pandemic
              A person's salary will always be more expensive than a car. It's a fact
              belay belay belay
              The Case 2025 combine costs about 30 million, the combine operator's salary during the harvesting period is 150.
              harvesting month, or even 3 weeks
              thus the salary of a combine operator for 100 belay belay years will be only half belay cost of the combine
              with a completely abstract salary in 1 million for harvesting - only 30 years old lol lol
              https://www.gruzovik.com/selskohozyaystvennaya-tehnika/zernouborochnye-kombayny/case-ih-8250-axial-flow-new-and-unused-combine-a9492330.html

              but even if you buy a used combine harvester for 3 million from 1999, your salary will only catch up with the cost in 20 years belay years
              with a completely abstract price of 1 million for harvesting
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                2 August 2025 23: 45
                1 Payroll is approximately twice as much as the salary (x2) 300000 2 The machine works without rest, that is, for 2-3 people (x2-x3) 600000 3 The delta between the inhabited and uninhabited combine is compared (or the system that converts the inhabited into uninhabited), so 600000 (900000, if working in three shifts) rubles per month is a completely realistic budget that is spent on piloting one combine by a person and for this money it is quite possible to consider a converter system for 1.2 million, which will pay for itself in the second month and in hiring which you do not need to invest x (and hiring is an EXPENSIVE matter)
                1. +1
                  3 August 2025 00: 05
                  Quote: Pandemic
                  so 600000 (900000 if working in three shifts) rubles per month
                  - when working in 2 shifts, harvesting is completed in 2 weeks - and 150 goes to 2 people, not 1.
                  but even at 1 million a month
                  Quote: your1970
                  with a completely abstract salary of 1 million for harvesting - only 30 years

                  Quote: Pandemic
                  for this money, you can easily consider a converter system for 1.2 million, which will pay for itself in the second month
                  -the second month will be in a year belay
                  But let me remind you - you will pay the worker 300 for this time.
                  And yes, no one will pay anything to the FOT - a person from the outside will receive cash and go to the next farmer to mow.
                  This unmanned heresy is only profitable in large farms where there are many workers on WHITE wages and payroll.
                  That's why it is not being implemented in our country - it is not profitable for farmers.
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                    3 August 2025 00: 10
                    1 Of course, it is possible to cut on the rights of workers, although it is fraught 2 Who even considers farmers? This is a dead phenomenon, which, as you can see, is not able to master the most profitable approaches. The farm, where harvesting occurs with a time lag, will quite profitably use equipment, moving it between lands
                2. 0
                  6 August 2025 19: 32
                  Quote: Pandemic
                  2 The machine works without rest, that is, for 2-3 people (x2-x3) 600000

                  Even a non-working machine also requires maintenance: recharging batteries and changing the oil, sometimes it is advisable to turn it on once every few months if there are some types of capacitors in the electrics. In addition, unmanned equipment also requires a repairman, adjuster and programmer on its staff. And a free specialist of this level must be found. In addition, an expensive machine requires a one-time investment. Now in Russia, loans for private individuals are 20% ... 30% per year. This is about 2% per month. You bought a machine on credit for 5 million and in fact you will be forced to pay only 100 in interest every month, regardless of whether the machine works or not. And if there is no order, you simply stop the cheap machine and fire the cheap worker.
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                    9 August 2025 00: 07
                    I have given the price range for converting habitable equipment into uninhabitable equipment above. Yes, it requires implementation and maintenance, but these costs are spread over many units. At the same time, the return on the same multi-shift work and the predictability of the result will cover everything
                    1. -1
                      9 August 2025 00: 26
                      Quote: Pandemic
                      Yes, it requires implementation and maintenance, but these costs are spread over many units.
                      Imagine, for example, that your adjuster was bribed by competitors and your equipment stopped at the moment when you are threatened with ruin for not fulfilling the contract? I was at one very large greenhouse company. There, the leading adjuster is considered a loser by Russian effective managers who spend too much time on work and self-training and, apparently, because of this, does not have a family. And suddenly Azerbaijan hires him for a part-time job. He immediately pretends to be an alcoholic and declares that he has gone on a drinking binge. And he himself goes to Azerbaijan, where he is received royally. A modern businessman is very afraid to interfere with automation and give power to a smart engineer who can easily find an investor from Muslim countries and create a competitive production on an equal footing. The PRC began to develop rapidly in the military field only when the CPC began to share power with successful engineers who completed tasks, promoting them to high positions or giving funds to open a private enterprise. The Russian government and business are not ready for this and there will be no automation yet.
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                        9 August 2025 00: 32
                        failure to develop technology = military defeat. There are no alternatives to development
                      2. -1
                        9 August 2025 00: 47
                        Quote: Pandemic
                        failure to develop technology = military defeat.

                        I discussed 2 promising orders. In one case, the customer is looking for a partner who will completely assemble the plant for him, not wanting to delve into the intricacies of the technical specifications and discuss them. Moreover, the contractor, in his opinion, must be able to completely modernize the plant. Only a successful competitor can have such skills. In the other, he is waiting for a partner who will provide access to the market, organize production on the customer's territory and will pay the customer compensation for the right to use the premises and security. What kind of development and desire to win is there? Presumptuous effective managers hope to simply sell someone at a high price, like Yeltsin and Gorbachev sold the USSR for shopping in South Korea and Great Britain. Take D. Medvedev, who scared the simple-minded Trump so much that he took Medvedev's words for the truth and equipped 2 submarines. In the real world, Medvedev runs the yeast production business in Russia. He gave this segment to the mercy of the French, who definitely do not need either the development of Russia or its victories. Medvedev simply pays the French approximately 30 billion for the plant from the state budget, and the Chinese 20 billion, although the Russians were ready to build him a plant for approximately 3 billion.
                      3. 0
                        23 August 2025 12: 47
                        That's what the West claimed. For decades. Then the Second World War happened and it turned out that technology isn't everything. That the Alyosha tank wins, not the tricked-out Challenger. That it's better to have three shells that fly 24 km than one that flies 43 km.
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                        23 August 2025 13: 02
                        1 The Challenger is not fancy 2 Alyosha is a product of a huge scientific school and huge industry of the Union, now the main weapon is the assembly of imported components. This is not how world wars are won, this is the path to destruction 3 Three shells are SUDDENLY also technologies and they will not be there VERY soon. For example, technologists are dying out as a profession, metrologists too
                      5. 0
                        23 August 2025 13: 31
                        The Challenger was always advertised as being advanced and sophisticated, while the "Alyosha" didn't even have a decent connection. You saw for yourself who destroyed the BTT column.
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                        23 August 2025 13: 39
                        lack of communication is a death sentence for a mass army and the heroism of soldiers here will not help in any way in the masses. And the challenger has never been the forerunner
      2. +1
        8 August 2025 13: 45
        Our people don't want to plow the field for 50

        Depends on how you plow. You can do modernization and manage 3 tractors at once, and earn much more. But how can you do it if, with a business rate of 30%, such investments will never pay off?
  15. +2
    30 July 2025 08: 48
    Author, bravo!
    The general impression of the behavior and morals of our society: eat everything

    This explains absolutely everything that is happening in our society. From passionaries and engines of progress, our society has turned into indifferent philistines striving for the bourgeois. And this happened just when a high standard of living was achieved. The expression "why breed poverty" is a priori incorrect. And all developed countries are facing such problems. England, the USA, France, Germany and Russia. Even China is expecting a demographic hole, this has already been predicted. And giving young people apartments, houses, cars right now will not change the situation, as many mistakenly think. The problem is in thinking, the rest is far-fetched.
    1. +2
      30 July 2025 09: 13
      How can you change your thinking?
      I'm afraid only a few are capable of answering this question correctly, without thoughtless prohibitions and talk about overcoming in the name of God knows what.

      Even in Soviet science fiction films, people worked in jobs that were far from “classic” blue-collar jobs.
      The same robots were responsible for cargo transportation and maintaining cleanliness. Can they be blamed for wanting the wrong future, without yokes and buckets?
      1. 0
        30 July 2025 09: 51
        How can you change your thinking?

        It seems that the idea of resettling us to the 19th century, where the birth rate was high, is prevalent in the ruling circles. laughing
    2. 0
      30 July 2025 09: 40
      Quote: a.shlidt
      Even China faces a demographic pitfall

      So he's already in the hole. What's there to predict? It's a fact.
    3. +1
      30 July 2025 09: 42
      Quote: a.shlidt
      And giving young people apartments, houses, cars right now will not change the situation, as many mistakenly think. The problem is in thinking, the rest is far-fetched.

      It won't change. Because it's not enough to give out a car and an apartment. And the problem is not in thinking. But in economics. Public consciousness is formed on the basis of economic realities.
      1. -2
        30 July 2025 09: 48
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Public consciousness is formed on the basis of economic realities.

        Are you suggesting a return to serfdom, when seven men sat on benches?
        1. 0
          30 July 2025 10: 00
          Quote: Boris55
          Are you suggesting a return to serfdom, when seven men sat on benches?

          I suggest you read carefully and try to comprehend what you read. So that you don't have to ask questions like these.
          1. -3
            30 July 2025 10: 08
            Devastation begins in our heads!

            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            The problem is not in thinking. It's in economics.

            You are not right. In "developed" countries, the aborigines are dying out.
            In the non-developed countries, everything is fine with demography.

            First thought, then action.
            As we think, so we act.
            As we act, so we live.

            If we change the concept of life and the structure of society, the attitude towards the family will change, but for now all the efforts of the dominant concept (Biblical) are aimed at the destruction of humanity, nothing changes.
            1. +1
              30 July 2025 10: 14
              Quote: Boris55
              You are not right. In "developed" countries extinction is taking place.
              In the non-developed countries, everything is fine with demography.

              I'm already tired of explaining the obvious. Try not only to swim on the surface, looking at the world with the eyes of a naive layman, but at least dive a little deeper. And then you will be able to see how the economy really influences demography. And not this stereotypical "in poor countries they give birth, in rich countries they don't".
              1. -1
                30 July 2025 10: 21
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                your stereotypical "people give birth in poor countries, people don't give birth in rich countries"

                Is not it so?

                Economy is secondary. The higher the rating of countries in economic development, the lower the birth rate, the more emigrants. Here we are already first in Europe and fourth in the world in economy...
                1. 0
                  30 July 2025 10: 59
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Economics is secondary.

                  We can end the conversation here. Because you don't understand the most basic things.
                  Quote: Boris55
                  The higher the ranking of countries in economic development, the lower the birth rate, the more emigrants.

                  I thought I wrote about stereotypes. Why are you making me repeat the same thing twice? The birth rate is lower because the capitalist economy has created such conditions. That one or two children at most are optimal for a family.
                  1. -2
                    30 July 2025 11: 07
                    The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    The birth rate is lower because the capitalist economy has created such conditions.

                    I completely agree with this. It would be nice to replace "Developed" countries with "Dying" countries of the World.

                    That's all for now. Thanks for chatting. Bye. hi
                2. 0
                  30 July 2025 12: 47
                  Boris, have you been to Europe at least to see it? laughing ?
            2. -1
              6 August 2025 19: 41
              Quote: Boris55
              You are not right. In "developed" countries, the aborigines are dying out.
              In the non-developed countries, everything is fine with demography.

              In Russia, there is a very false impression about the level of well-being of the population of Afghanistan, Moldova and Russia. In reality, for example, Moldovans and Afghans consider themselves wealthier than Russians. A Russian works at a factory where the salary ceiling is 70% of workers 70 rubles per month. A Moldovan goes to Europe where a builder earns about 000 rubles per month. He spends the money at home. There are no protective duties in Moldova to protect its auto industry and other industries. Therefore, a Moldovan can buy goods from Europe and China much cheaper than a Russian. The same is true in Afghanistan. There, people simply go to the Persian Gulf countries to earn money. Now Uzbeks and Kyrgyz have discovered the advantages of working in South Korea and China. For example, the Chinese have a fashionable trend of hiring Tajik translators, at least for work in Russia.
              1. 0
                7 August 2025 18: 13
                Does everyone go abroad to earn money? laughing
                1. -1
                  7 August 2025 18: 23
                  Quote from Evil Eye
                  Does everyone go abroad to earn money?

                  Do you see many Moldovan and Ukrainian builders in Russia after 2016? They are now going to work in Europe.
                  1. 0
                    8 August 2025 10: 36
                    And what, all adult Moldovans, including Moldovan women, worked as builders in Russia? And before 2016, why didn't they go to Europe, out of stupidity or is Europe further from Moldova than Russia? ))))
                    You are either not telling us something, or you see the situation in an embellished light.
                    1. -1
                      8 August 2025 12: 54
                      Quote from Evil Eye
                      So, all adult Moldovans, including Moldovan women, worked as builders in Russia?

                      I am not an expert on the economy of Moldova. But in life I have encountered Ukrainians and Moldovans working in construction. This is the information from them that now it is easier to work in Europe than in Russia and the salary of an average builder there is 250 rubles. I was offered to try moving to Austria to change light bulbs in a migration center for 000 euros. An acquaintance works as a security guard for about this money. But he is an ethnic Afghan.
                      Quote from Evil Eye
                      you see the situation in an embellished light.

                      For the common man, life is difficult everywhere. It's just that in Europe it's no more difficult for Moldovans than in Russia.
      2. +1
        30 July 2025 09: 54
        Oh, what a sly one. A car and an apartment are not enough for him, he also needs a favorable economic situation to create the right public consciousness lol Or maybe it’s just that people aren’t ready to limit their comfort when having children?
        1. +2
          30 July 2025 09: 59
          Quote: a.shlidt
          Or maybe it’s just that people aren’t ready to limit their comfort when having children?

          Which brings us back to economics.
          1. -2
            30 July 2025 10: 12
            How? In the 7-8th month you can't really eat anything, it's hard to walk, you can't dance in a bar, etc. And then you have to look after a child for another 3 years, which is also hard. Many people complain about the settlement of migrants with large families. What do they like about our economy, that they give birth to a football team?
            1. -1
              30 July 2025 10: 30
              Quote: a.shlidt
              How? At 7-8 months you can't really eat anything, it's hard to walk, you can't dance in a bar, etc. And then you have to look after the child for another 3 years, which is also hard.

              Ordinary. Everything you talk about again leads to economics. Comfort for pregnant women, raising a child - all this is money.
              1. -2
                30 July 2025 10: 36
                Many people complain about the settlement of migrants with large families. What do they like about our economy, that they give birth to a football team?
                1. +1
                  30 July 2025 11: 02
                  Quote: a.shlidt
                  Many people complain about the settlement of migrants with large families. What do they like about our economy, that they give birth to a football team?

                  These are people with an archaic social consciousness, which, however, also successfully deteriorates over time in subsequent generations and the birth rate falls. This has already been discussed a hundred and fifty times on VO. But the writers of comments like yours are apparently not readers.
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2025 11: 31
                    archaic social consciousness

                    What does it include?
                    And how does it differ from the consciousness that our youth has at the moment?
                    Well, how does the economic situation affect all this?
      3. -1
        30 July 2025 11: 43
        Public consciousness is formed on the basis of economic realities.

        this is yesterday's view: "public consciousness" is formed first of all - in "heads", and at the moment the formation is no longer through the "box", but through the Internet, and there is everything there - social networks, instant messengers, bloggers...
        and there they tell/show/explain to these "heads" what is "good" and what is "bad"...
        If young people in front of me (at work) discuss whether it is worth having a child - they say I have a dog/cat and I don’t need anything else...
        and when a smart specialist/guy says, why do I need a wife like that - everyone rushes at him screaming...
        and the words "economics, economic" sound there only as an appendix - how much will you give me today for my nails, to sit with my girlfriends, etc. and nothing more..
      4. +1
        30 July 2025 21: 57
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Quote: a.shlidt
        And giving young people apartments, houses, cars right now will not change the situation, as many mistakenly think. The problem is in thinking, the rest is far-fetched.

        It won't change. Because it's not enough to give out a car and an apartment. And the problem is not in thinking. But in economics. Public consciousness is formed on the basis of economic realities.

        And in the next article they beat their chests - like, give us an apartment, a salary, a car, and we'll stamp out 10 children for you.
        It's all about thinking.
        In the father-in-law's family (1947) there were three adults, a mother, a father, a grandmother and 11 children. On a 68 sq.m. house in the village..
        Modern parents would die from the sight of their children sleeping on mats on the floor - a clay floor.
    4. +1
      30 July 2025 11: 26
      The expression "why breed poverty" is a priori incorrect. And all developed countries are facing such problems. England, the USA, France, Germany and Russia. Even China is expecting a demographic hole, this has already been predicted. And giving young people apartments, houses, cars right now will not change the situation, as many mistakenly think.

      drinks
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      2 August 2025 14: 40
      another idealist. And a subjective one at that
  16. -1
    30 July 2025 09: 18
    Quote: a.shlidt
    At least if you leave the main streets of the cities. And if you go to a disco at 21:00, you will definitely remember our 90s.

    Has Switzerland really changed that much?
    You've intrigued me...I need to dig deeper. hi
    1. +3
      30 July 2025 09: 46
      Swiss bar, 21:30 PM. Music is playing, everyone is relaxing. But a couple of cars pull up and out come... Albanians! They enter the drinking establishment slowly, smoking a cigarette and talking loudly, casting sharp glances at everyone. The brave descendants of de Bronstatt retreat from the premises. All this to the laughter of the Russians, with a nostalgic grin. But they also have to leave, because why bother, we've been through this at home. That's how it is...
  17. 0
    30 July 2025 09: 49
    The authors of these similar flocks completely forget about such a concept as an urban agglomeration. Moreover, sometimes some settlements that are legally separate settlements have in fact long ago merged with megacities. In fact, the percentage of people living in megacities is actually higher. And the nearest satellite cities around the megalopolis, included in the agglomerations, should also be taken into account. Give not only the percentage of people living in megacities as administrative units, but also the percentage of people living in agglomerations with centers in these megacities. And there are also agglomerations with centers in sub-million cities and with centers in cities with a population of 500 thousand. Monocentric agglomerations predominate in our country, but there are also bi-nuclear ones like Samara-Olyatti. There are also polycentric ones like Kuzbass.
  18. BAI
    +3
    30 July 2025 09: 55
    Children should continue the work of their parents.
    This is only good for oligarchs (and for those who are well-off in life - and there are not many of them in the general population).
    Parents with insufficient income (and the overwhelming majority of them are rural residents) do not want their children to repeat their fate
  19. 0
    30 July 2025 10: 35
    Belarus has already experimented with agro-towns. It didn't work out...
  20. 0
    30 July 2025 11: 22
    the question is not about "why do we need children" but about "why do they need children" i.e. everything is decided for the citizens and that's where phrases like "the state didn't ask you to give birth" come from; there is us and there is them - we who should disappear and they who are interested in this
  21. +3
    30 July 2025 11: 22
    I read Yevgeny Beloshapko's article "Megacities as a Brake for Industrialization" several times. There was definitely some flavor in it, but I couldn't catch it for a long time. No, this is not the author's assertion that megacities are not friends with industry. Anyone more or less familiar with the economic history of Europe knows that megacities were created by industry, especially large-scale industry.

    Dmitry, judging by these lines, you should read the mentioned article a couple of times more. Because, judging by the "conclusions", you did not understand it at all.
    Or they simply created a reason for themselves to write their own article.
    1. -3
      30 July 2025 11: 48
      So what didn't I understand there? laughing
      What great wisdom is there that I supposedly have not comprehended?
      1. +2
        30 July 2025 11: 59
        So what didn't I understand there?

        Judging by the argumentation, "anyone familiar with the economic history of Europe knows that megacities were created by industry, especially large-scale industry." - that's all.
        After all, that article clearly states:
        But these views are 50 years out of date. Large cities are experiencing deindustrialization just as small ones, which is even influenced by additional factors, such as: the cost of land (it is more profitable to build up a Soviet industrial zone with expensive housing), environmental requirements (no one wants to breathe industrial smog anymore, and there is also noise and vibration pollution) and automation of production (the columns of proletarians marching in formation to the workshops have significantly diminished even where the workshops continue to operate).
        So it turns out that the need to have millions of workers living in huge neighborhoods near huge industrial zones is an artifact of the 20th century. And it turns out that people are concentrated in “human anthills” not because they are looking for work in a factory., to leave the village (as in the middle of the last century and earlier), а vice versa - because against the background of general degradation industry big cities look like oases, to which people simply run in the hopes of at least finding work in the service sector.
        1. -5
          30 July 2025 12: 03
          Will you claim that Berlin, say, arose by itself, without the participation of the huge Borsig locomotive factory?
          Or did textile factories in Moscow have no impact on the growth of the city? Or did the St. Petersburg shipyards and metal factories contribute nothing to the growth of St. Petersburg? laughing
          Let's not lie, replacing black with white.
          But you are unlikely to be able to, since without this substitution your thesis about “human anthills” collapses.
          1. +1
            30 July 2025 12: 24
            You will argue that Berlin, say...

            I will argue that you are replacing the situation "now and here" with the position "then and there". You have once again confirmed this with this new message of yours.
            Let's not lie, replacing black with white.

            Let's not make unfounded statements about someone's lies and substitutions.
            1. -3
              30 July 2025 12: 41
              And now Moscow, Pomoskovie and St. Petersburg are large industrial centers. Volume of shipped manufacturing products in 2024; Rosstat.
              Russia - 82,8 trillion rubles
              Moscow - 11,7 trillion rubles 14,1%
              Moscow region - 6,6 trillion rubles 7,9%
              Saint Petersburg - 5,2 trillion rubles 6,2%
              In total, 28,2% of all-Russian production.

              What, are you going to argue that megacities are only for service? laughing
              1. +1
                30 July 2025 13: 30
                Volume of shipped manufacturing products in 2024; Rosstat.

                Well, you can’t be so out of touch with reality that you can’t distinguish between the place of tax registration of legal entities and the actual location of production facilities.
                1. -3
                  30 July 2025 13: 41
                  There are 4,5 thousand industrial enterprises operating in Moscow at the beginning of 2025.
                  Even in the Central Administrative District of Moscow there are industrial enterprises: the Ilyich Depot, the Krasnaya Presnya Electric Depot and some others. The South Administrative District and the South-East Administrative District are the largest industrial zones in Moscow, including the Moscow Oil Refinery in Kapotnya - traditionally the number one target in American nuclear strike plans. laughing .
                  I hope you won’t claim that the Moscow Oil Refinery refines oil somewhere else?
                  1. +4
                    30 July 2025 13: 56
                    There are industrial enterprises: the Ilyich depot, the Krasnaya Presnya electric depot

                    I don’t understand how I can explain more complex things to a person if the person gives as an example the maintenance and repair enterprises of the city infrastructure itself (which should be at the proper level, but which in megacities can swell to completely indecent sizes).
                    I hope you won’t claim that the Moscow Oil Refinery refines oil somewhere else?

                    I just thought that you would not reduce my words to absurdity. I never claimed that there are no production facilities in Moscow. I pointed out that your 14% from the previous message is in fact inflated, since it reflects the reporting data for the place of registration, which is not the same as the place of production.
                    P.S. Can you name how many of these 4,5 thousand enterprises work to service Moscow itself? - because, for example, a 5-person sole proprietorship that manually packs food into polystyrene containers, which is then distributed to Moscow offices... this is also an industrial enterprise for the sake of statistics lol
                    1. -3
                      30 July 2025 14: 15
                      Before you can claim something, you have to prove it. I have provided data from Rosstat and the Moscow mayor's office. On your part, there are only unfounded assertions and childish grievances.
                      Now go ahead and prove that Moscow industry is only registered in Moscow.
                      1. 0
                        30 July 2025 14: 24
                        Before you can claim something, you have to prove it. I cited data from Rosstat and the Moscow mayor's office.

                        And they explained to you why this figure does not show the actual industrial production of Moscow.
                        Go ahead and prove it

                        Me? You're not getting anything mixed up?
                      2. -3
                        30 July 2025 14: 26
                        This is not an explanation, but an unfounded assertion = a lie.
                        Yes. You claim this, therefore the proof of this claim lies with you.
                      3. 0
                        30 July 2025 14: 38
                        This is not an explanation, but an unfounded assertion = a lie.

                        What's a lie? Quote my specific phrase.
                        Yes, you say so.

                        Quote where I say this.
                      4. -1
                        30 July 2025 14: 50
                        Well, you can’t be so out of touch with reality that you can’t distinguish between the place of tax registration of legal entities and the actual location of production facilities.


                        Now prove it with statistical data.
                      5. 0
                        30 July 2025 16: 01
                        Decided to act according to "Brandolini's law"? Not nice.
                        How can you find me where in Moscow JSC "TVEL" with OKVED 24.46 makes fuel assemblies for reactors, demonstrating operational indicators at Moscow checkpoint 770601001 in hundreds of billions of revenue for the city of Moscow, so we will continue this clown show.
                      6. -1
                        30 July 2025 16: 45
                        JSC "Moscow Polymetal Plant" from JSC "TVEL" on Kashirskoe shosse. The fuel assembly body is made in Elektrostal.

                        Do you seriously believe that all of TVEL JSC's revenue of 210 billion rubles in 2020 (the most recent available report) went to Moscow down to the last penny?
                        Ha-ha-ha!
                        Firstly, of its minus 31 billion rubles is the salary of workers who pay personal income tax at their place of registration, Muscovites in Moscow, Novosibirsk residents in Novosibirsk.
                        Secondly, minus 68,5 billion rubles is the cost of materials.
                        Thirdly, minus 17 billion rubles in depreciation
                        Fourthly, minus 10 billion rubles for electricity, gas and heat, mainly in the regions.
                        Fifth, minus 28 billion rubles in operating expenses.

                        There remains 61,3 billion rubles of profit. Income tax is 12,3 billion rubles at the 2020 rate of 20%. Moscow received 17% or 10,4 billion rubles of it. 3% goes to the federal budget.
                        VAT goes 100% to the federal budget everywhere, and mineral extraction tax also goes to the federal budget.
                        Property tax for organizations is paid at the location of this property.

                        So where are these "hundreds of billions in revenue for the city of Moscow" of yours?
                        In general, if you don’t know economics, then don’t try to judge. laughing
                      7. +1
                        30 July 2025 17: 13
                        JSC "Moscow Polymetal Plant" from JSC "TVEL" on Kashirskoe shosse.

                        Here's the problem: a fuel assembly without fuel is not a fuel assembly.
                        Not just singled out in the previous sentence OKVED 24.46, which is the main one for JSC TVEL - "Nuclear fuel production" (- production of metallic uranium from pitchblende or other ores;
                        - smelting and refining of uranium

                        And JSC MZP has OKVED 25.30.2 “Production of nuclear installations and their components, including for vehicles”.
                        Doesn't it bother you that 24.46 and 25.30.2 have slightly different sets of characters?
                        So tell me where in Moscow JSC TVEL smelts uranium? Moscow has not yet expanded to Angarsk wassat
                        Do you seriously believe that all of TVEL JSC's revenue of 210 billion rubles in 2020 (the most recent available report) went to Moscow down to the last penny? Ha-ha-ha!
                        Firstly...

                        So where are these "hundreds of billions of revenue for the city of Moscow"? In general, if you don't know economics, don't bother judging.

                        wassat "The expert in economics" for some reason decided to transform revenue into profit. Otherwise, there is no way to explain the meaning of this sheet of text with "firstly... tenthly".

                        But that's not even the main thing - you tried hard to get off topic. It didn't work. Let me remind you of your complaint about these words:
                        Well, you can’t be so out of touch with reality that you can’t distinguish between the place of tax registration of legal entities and the actual location of production facilities.

                        In the context of this claim, your scribbling "firstly... tenthly" makes no sense at all - JSC "TVEL" is registered in Moscow with a very specific OKVED, and the production facilities corresponding to this OKVED are located in other regions.
                      8. -1
                        30 July 2025 18: 05
                        What, you didn't like the tax distribution? Not what you expected? Well, that's the Tax Code of the Russian Federation, you can't do anything about it. laughing

                        If you don't know how, don't try it.

                        In addition, JSC TVEL has seven more OKVED codes, including trade, design, use of computer equipment, and scientific research and development.
                      9. +1
                        31 July 2025 11: 05
                        What, you didn't like the tax distribution?

                        I didn't like that you were not taking the conversation seriously. Your value as an interlocutor is rapidly fading.
                        How should "tax distribution" refute the quantitative indicator of the "revenue" parameter that JSC "TVEL" has? No way. What is the point of your machinations with the transition to the DERIVATIVE of this indicator, that is, to profit? Transition to the profit figure does not change revenue figure.

                        In addition, JSC TVEL has seven more OKVED codes, including trade, design, use of computer equipment, and scientific research and development.

                        And?
                        1) When you described JSC MZP as a manufacturer of assemblies, for some reason you focused on OKVED 25.30.2, and not 68.32.2 (Management of non-residential property exploitation for a fee or on a contractual basis) or 72.19 (Scientific research and development in the field of natural and technical sciences, etc.). So it's a no-no.
                        2) It turns out that you are not even able to perceive your own words:
                        Quote: wehr
                        Secondly, minus 68,5 billion rubles cost of materials.

                        Tell us how "trade, design, use of computer technology, construction control and author's supervision" etc. from other OKVED require the use of such a quantity of consumables.
                        By the way, why did you "shamefully" decide not to include 35.11.3 from "seven more OKVED codes"? - so that you wouldn't have to explain where there is a nuclear power plant in Moscow? lol tongue

                        All the best to you. But better in another field of activity.
                      10. 0
                        31 July 2025 12: 21
                        I consider this conversation to be absolutely pointless, since OKVED is a classifier for tax and statistical purposes, and it does not impose an obligation to engage in any activity designated by the code in a specific geographic location.
                      11. 0
                        31 July 2025 13: 57
                        I consider this conversation absolutely pointless.

                        And I think so. But it wasn't me who started this stupid squabble, just to not agree that "your 14% from the previous message is in fact inflated, since it reflects the reporting data for the place of registration, which is not the same as the place of production."
                        it does not impose an obligation to engage in any activity designated by the code in a particular geographical location.

                        However, the KPP imposes obligations “for tax and statistical purposes” to show “tax and statistical indicators” at the place of registration, and not at the place of actual activity according to the classifier.
                      12. 0
                        31 July 2025 14: 24
                        This issue should be studied in order to establish precisely the discrepancy associated with the peculiarity of statistical accounting.
                        But I don’t see any particular practical need for this, since the share of Moscow, the Moscow region (which are difficult to separate) and St. Petersburg is unlikely to fall below 20% of the total Russian industrial output, due to the concentration of the workforce and the high percentage of high-tech industries.
                        In other words, even if you receive these concessions from me, you will not be able to prove your thesis that megacities do not invest in industrial production.
                      13. 0
                        31 July 2025 14: 41
                        having received these concessions from me

                        You have me confused with someone else. I don't need your concessions.
                        You will not be able to prove your thesis that megacities do not invest in industrial production.

                        Of course I can't. After all, I didn't put forward such a thesis.
                      14. 0
                        31 July 2025 14: 42
                        Well then, why was there this dispute about OKVED of TVEL?
                        Dispute for the sake of dispute?
                        Or were they trying to discredit their opponent in this way? laughing

                        A heated argument with bad arguments always leads to embarrassment.
                      15. +1
                        31 July 2025 14: 49
                        Well then, why was there this dispute about OKVED of TVEL?

                        You asked. When you demanded proof of my thesis. An example is one of the methods of proof.
                        Dispute for the sake of dispute?

                        No. Although sometimes I argue for the sake of arguing, to exercise my brain.
                        Or were they trying to discredit their opponent in this way?

                        No.
                        A heated argument with bad arguments always leads to embarrassment.

                        Do you think I've embarrassed myself somewhere? Well, it's not like you consider your own arguments "unfit", judging by your last message. feel
                      16. 0
                        31 July 2025 14: 53
                        Yes, they embarrassed themselves because they dragged into the topic the OKVED for one enterprise, which does not prove or disprove anything.
                        You tried to challenge my data on the large share of megacities in industry in this way, but nothing came of it. laughing
                      17. 0
                        31 July 2025 15: 12
                        one enterprise at a time, which neither proves nor refutes anything.

                        The fact that you choose not to accept this example as evidence does not change its evidential force. For a proposition about a general to be true, it must be true of its particulars (logical "AND"). If the particular is shown to be inconsistent with the proposition, making the proposition about the particular false, then the general proposition of which the particular proposition is a part will also be false.
                        You tried to challenge my data on the large share of megacities in industry in this way

                        I didn't try. I challenged your data as not showing the true share of megacities, for the reason I stated, using a specific, private example. Without determining the absolute value, it is impossible to draw a conclusion about its relative value.
                        But now we have really moved so far away from the original content of our conversation that we have become closer to that very “argument for the sake of argument.”
                      18. 0
                        31 July 2025 14: 28
                        Thank you for your support, dear comrade drinks

                        As for Moscow industry, Dmitry is right in the sense that it is still alive in some places and has not been torn apart by developers. smile
                        Moreover, megacities in general and Moscow in particular, of course, remain transport hubs, so even if to a minimal degree, there will always be industry in them.
                        But there are no reserves for growth (or even for recovery). And a significant part of Moscow industry is actually Moscow region.
                        The fact that some Moscow enterprises serve Moscow itself is also completely correct.

                        By the way, with taxes, everything is not so obvious either, I myself at one time used the thesis "taxes are paid where the enterprise is registered", but, as we see, this mechanism does not work so straightforwardly. Although it works too. Much is tied to the cost of property and wage funds.
                        You can look at something else - at banks, financial organizations, advertising, at government institutions, which for some reason must be located in large cities, as well as the capital status itself (although the Americans moved the capital to a medium-sized city and nothing). At the support of the Moscow budget and Moscow organizations at the expense of the federal budget.
                        There are a lot of tricks here, but not all of them work head-on.
                      19. +1
                        31 July 2025 14: 43
                        then Dmitry is right in the sense that it is still alive in some places and has not been torn apart by developers

                        Where Dmitry is right, no one argues with him.
                        But I can clearly see that he did not understand the article he decided to criticize.
                      20. 0
                        31 July 2025 15: 09
                        Of course, I didn't get it. I seemed to have written about the relationship between construction and industrial development, but he still reduced everything to the eviction of citizens "to the countryside" lol
              2. +1
                30 July 2025 13: 39
                Of course, they named the places of mass registration of the largest taxpayers and hurray with the numbers, Moscow ships so much coal, timber and metal... well, let's grow up
                1. 0
                  31 July 2025 14: 30
                  It doesn't work so directly, many jobs are tied to property and salary funds, plus no one denies that there is some real sector in Moscow. There are simply no growth reserves for it, unless you squeeze out tasty pieces from the region and assign them administratively to Moscow.
                  1. -1
                    6 August 2025 19: 52
                    Quote from Evil Eye
                    There are simply no growth reserves for it, unless you squeeze out tasty pieces from the region and assign them administratively to Moscow.

                    In Moscow it is easy to organize production because it is easy to find an engineer for any production. In Siberia and the Urals it is more difficult due to the lack of qualified personnel.
                    1. 0
                      7 August 2025 18: 09
                      You're laughing. Is there only one engineer working at the plant? Where would you put the building itself?
                      And if there are few qualified engineers in the industrial Urals, then this is a problem of labor organization. If you spend money on normal houses for engineers and other highly qualified specialists (and wages and other working conditions), then it will not be difficult to find people among Muscovites who are ready to travel around the country. And you can parachute a person from Moscow even to Chukotka, and this will be easier than rebuilding residential areas back into industrial zones.
                      *Well, of course, there is still an opportunity to revive undeveloped industrial zones, I don’t argue*
                      1. -1
                        7 August 2025 18: 19
                        Quote from Evil Eye
                        If you spend money on normal houses for engineers and other highly qualified specialists

                        So far in Russia, employers and highly qualified specialists have not come to a common denominator about what is considered a normal house for them. In addition, the employer must include money in the lifting package for a specialist moving from Moscow to the Urals for the return of such a specialist to Moscow if he is not satisfied with the conditions in the Urals.
          2. 0
            31 July 2025 14: 32
            Dmitry, it was a long time ago. Now steam locomotives are not used in cities and will not be used without a zombie apocalypse or nuclear war. No one will breathe coal soot. That's what I wrote.
            But now it is not so. What was, has floated away, industrial zones are being built up, cities are losing the meaning of their existence, except for working as a "showcase of capitalism" or socialism.
            1. -1
              31 July 2025 14: 41
              What surprises me most about this topic is its aggressive stupidity.
              Instead of studying past experience and drawing certain conclusions from it, people have hammered an a priori idea into their heads and are trying to implement it at any cost. Well, maybe from some of their own, small and personal plans.
              The interesting thing is that even if they succeed, they will be defeated because they will have neither new population, nor industry, nor good settlements, and billions will be spent. And this is obvious to anyone who knows the issue to the extent of a couple of articles in Zen.
              1. 0
                31 July 2025 15: 14
                Solid emotions, why are you like this? laughing

                Megacities in their current form will die as soon as cheap oil and gas run out. And then - either stick a nuclear power plant right in the middle of residential areas, or breathe in soot, like in Beijing. So we are looking to the future.
                1. 0
                  2 August 2025 19: 22
                  Yes, we'll see. By calculation. Heat loss from buildings is mainly through enclosing structures and foundations.
                  A 9-storey residential building measuring 58x16x27 meters has a volume of 95,5 thousand cubic meters, and the area of enclosing structures and foundation is 9740 sq. m. In total, it comes out to 0,1 cubic meters of volume per 1 sq. m of external surface area.

                  The house of 121 sq.m. 11x11x7 meters has a volume of 847 cubic meters, the approximate area of enclosing structures and foundation is 550 sq.m. Total - 0,6 cubic meters per 1 sq.m. of external surfaces.
                  In other words, a small house has six times more volume per square meter of surface from which heat is lost than a multi-story building. It will also cool down six times faster and will also require more fuel in specific consumption.

                  In any case, a megalopolis will be more energy efficient than a bunch of small houses.
                  1. 0
                    5 August 2025 16: 36
                    Dmitry, if you really want to understand the problem, describe your calculations in more detail. Because I don't understand where everything comes from (the same thing happened with the access roads).
                    For example, why is your house 7 m high? You hardly mean that antediluvian giants will live in it. But if you took the height by the ridge, you should have taken into account that the attic is usually not heated. And it is not a parallelepiped, an attic.
                    Or is the house two-story? Then its area is not 120 square meters, but twice as much.

                    On the other hand, where did 95,5 thousand cubic meters come from for a multi-storey building? I didn't multiply 58x16x27, but I get a volume of 25 thousand. Are you sure you haven't made any mistakes?
                    1. 0
                      5 August 2025 18: 09
                      Does anyone need to figure this out?
                      I see that it is not necessary.
            2. -1
              6 August 2025 20: 04
              Quote from Evil Eye
              Steam locomotives are not used in cities now.

              Instead of a steam locomotive, an electric bus or an electric locomotive. All engineers designing new equipment live in cities. The rectifier, accumulator and charging station for the electric bus will have to be made in the city. Moreover, for production, you have to take some kind of screw or diode. It is easier to bring them if all the warehouses are collected in one city and not scattered across the farms.
    2. 0
      30 July 2025 14: 25
      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
      read the mentioned article a couple more times. Because, judging by the "conclusions"

      I have a completely similar impression after reading it... and everything is so far-fetched that I don't even want to argue... except for one more impression - there is probably an order to justify the human anthills (IMHO)
      1. +1
        30 July 2025 14: 28
        there is probably an order to justify the human anthills (IMHO)

        I don't think so. It's all simple here - who needs to justify themselves to? ))
        It's just the usual graphomania of an internet publicist, when he needs to "drive the plan to the max."
  22. +4
    30 July 2025 12: 59
    what a young family needs most of all, first of all a well-paid job, confidence in the future (that they won't lose their job tomorrow) and probably the most important thing - the housing issue (without which it is impossible to build a full-fledged family nest). All other supposed proposals and recommendations from the Duma and the government that have stopped thinking are senseless and even criminal
  23. +2
    30 July 2025 15: 08
    So I still don't understand whose problem this is. The people's or the state's or the authorities' problem in the state? If it's a common problem, then where is the free housing, and why is the income in trade higher than the income in production? And why are salaries and pensions in the provinces so low? The discrepancy is "swan, crayfish and pike".
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      2 August 2025 14: 45
      the state has no problems, it is an instrument of violence in the hands of the ruling class. "The people" do not exist, there are classes with opposing interests. Power is the ruling class, the vanguard of which is now the financial bourgeoisie, the consequences of whose dictatorship we are discussing
      1. 0
        2 August 2025 14: 49
        Quote: Pandemic
        Power is the ruling class, the vanguard of which is now the financial bourgeoisie, the consequences of whose dictatorship we are discussing

        You've eaten too much Marxism-Leninism, the result is poisoning. It's treated with an enema laughing
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          2 August 2025 14: 52
          I didn't overeat, Marxism provides a model that is quite suitable for forecasts.
          1. 0
            2 August 2025 14: 53
            Quote: Pandemic
            Marxism provides a model that is quite suitable for forecasting

            Hmm. It didn't help the Union, but will it help you? These forecasts are like weather forecasts. Either it will or it won't. laughing
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              2 August 2025 14: 54
              the union was destroyed due to Marxism.
              1. 0
                2 August 2025 14: 55
                Quote: Pandemic
                the union was destroyed due to Marxism

                Well? laughing
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                  2 August 2025 14: 56
                  what and ? Marxism, as a theory, was used to build the USSR, Marxism, as a theory, was used by the ruling class of the USSR to destroy it. The model is quite functional for understanding the processes taking place in the country and the world
                  1. 0
                    2 August 2025 14: 59
                    Quote: Pandemic
                    Marxism, as a theory, was used to build the USSR, Marxism, as a theory, was used by the ruling class of the USSR to destroy it

                    The chisel, as a tool, is used to make furniture. The same chisel can be used in the process of breaking this furniture, and quite successfully.

                    And water is wet. And what does Marxism have to do with it, it would seem? laughing
    2. -1
      6 August 2025 20: 10
      Quote: awdrgy
      So I still don't understand whose problem this is. The people's or the state's or the authorities' within the state?

      The state is always concerned with preserving its power and its material position. Often the authorities strive to prolong the existing state of affairs without doing anything instead of transforming their structure to meet the demands of technological progress. Some are still waiting for a return to Stalinism, although Stalinism's finest hour ended in the USSR in 1937 for party functionaries and in 1941 for NKVD employees, and in the PRC with the beginning of the cultural revolution.
  24. 0
    31 July 2025 02: 51
    "The thing is that children in principle are born so that they inherit the business that their parents were engaged in, in the form of results, experience, skills, transmitted in the process of education. That is, the purpose of childbearing is to pass on its function to them."
    To the author: are you sure? )))
  25. +1
    31 July 2025 08: 43
    All modern research shows that:
    1. In developed countries (where the birth rate is currently declining), the rich people have the greatest number of children - the richer, the more children, to the point that the richest people in the world often have ten children (from different women).
    And vice versa: people with low incomes not only have few children, but often do not have any at all, but that's not all: now an increasing number of poor people cannot even start families - this is shown by research.
    2. In developed countries, well-off families (those who can afford to have many children) are increasingly moving to live in the suburbs. This has been the case in the US for a long time, other developed countries are moving in this direction, including Russia. This is also statistics.

    What should the state do in connection with these observations?
    That's what:
    1. It is necessary to firmly understand these patterns and never forget about them, and discard other empty chaff.
    2. It is necessary to stimulate these processes - to promote the improvement of people's well-being and to facilitate the construction of suburban settlements.

    This can be done if there is the will of the state. For now, there is none.
    1. 0
      2 August 2025 13: 49
      Not exactly. Yes, rich families have many children. But many poor families also have many children... blacks, Latinos, Arabs and other such people.
      And the least number of children are in the families of the notorious "middle class". And the "child-free" epidemic has engulfed precisely the middle class in the West.
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        2 August 2025 14: 49
        a person cannot be born, a born creature can become a person in the process of upbringing and education. This is expensive and is called reproduction. For the super-rich, reproduction costs a tiny fraction of their income. For the super-poor, uneducated, sick, it may cost nothing, because they do not spend their money on it. But for specialists, reproduction costs from 13 million rubles per unit in 2019 prices. No 13 - there will be no new specialist and there is no need to howl that they are getting dogs and cats. The price range is different
  26. 0
    31 July 2025 15: 04
    Thank you for your reply, Dmitry. hi
    Although it was negative, I didn't expect everyone to agree with me right away.
    You see, I went through holy wars on a similar topic exactly 5 years ago, when there was nothing to do during the pandemic, so all your arguments are completely predictable to me, like moves in a standard chess game winked
    >> megacities were created precisely by industry, especially large-scale

    They were created in the coal era, and now it is not so. As the revolution devours its children, so the megalopolises have devoured the real sector.
    >> by the way, 7,1% of all industrial workers in Russia is a very significant concentration of labor force

    Not a little, but in comparison to our largest transport hub – it’s somehow too small. In Nizhny Novgorod, in Omsk, in Chelyabinsk the percentage of proletarians is higher.

    >> heavy trucks with construction materials will drive along this dirt road, they will make a rut, then it will rain, and the dirt road will turn into an impassable swamp.

    To do this, a dirt road must be built as a road, and not “named the direction in which the Russians are going to go a road,” as in the joke laughing
    Put up prohibitory signs, fine violators, dig roadside ditches for drainage, add soil where necessary, and make repairs.
    As if federal highways don't suffer from overloaded trucks.

    >> what we need is exactly what we have been despising, trampling and eradicating for more than 50 years - ideas that go beyond the life of a specific person

    First you wrote about how tiring manual household labor is, and now you write about how an idea is needed to overcome the demographic crisis. Don't you see the contradiction? Didn't we have ideas before, religious (before the revolution) and communist (after)? And why did ideology lose out to material interests? How is this connected with the principle of "being determines consciousness"? It can't be that the very way of life in a megalopolis inevitably gives rise to one single idea - that very "live here and now"? request
  27. 0
    31 July 2025 15: 07
    in Omsk [they discussed] the idea of giving large families land plots. They were given practically former arable land... such an approach is the desire of a family with children or planning to evict children... But from where? It turns out that from megalopolises or more or less large cities.


    Dmitry, what does "evict" mean? Anyone can go to the Omsk administration website (https://admomsk.gosuslugi.ru/ofitsialno/struktura-munitsipalnogo-obrazovaniya/administratsiya-goroda-omska/strukturnye-podrazdeleniya/departament-imuschestvennyh-otnosheniy/novosti-departamenta/novosti_5641.html), read about the conditions for obtaining a plot, look for the laws that the administration refers to. And see that large families are not obliged to somehow get rid of city property if they have it.
    Moreover, even in Brezhnev’s USSR, when the state limited the property rights of citizens, obtaining a plot of land did not necessarily lead to the loss of an apartment.
    At the same time, unlike in Soviet times, people can live outside the city and legally rent out or sell their apartment.
    And you keep trying to present it as if the Khmer Rouge are already knocking on the doors of city dwellers with hoes at the ready and offering prosperous bourgeois to leave with a minimum of things to work in a rice field and live in a hut, and to convert their house into a transfer hall laughing
    Moreover, Omsk residents with many children have the right to receive a one-time cash payment of as much as 200 rubles instead of a plot of land and spend it on paying off a mortgage loan for an apartment. So those who do not need a plot of land on arable land can take it in cash. Solomon's decision. One day, monuments will be erected throughout the country in honor of the employees of the Omsk city administration and streets will be named after them. soldier
  28. +2
    31 July 2025 15: 33
    I read all the comments and the article again...how can the author not tolerate criticism! It's just awful...and he is definitely right and the last word is his. Maybe you shouldn't be so stubborn and consider yourself the ultimate authority?
    1. -1
      2 August 2025 19: 38
      Truth is spelled with one letter "n" laughing
      And how can people who couldn’t even fully master the grammar of their native language still try to dispute me?!

      In the end, obviously wrong ideas will triumph in this way. But then you will still have to balance the debit and credit, and there will be a shortfall in the balance: time has passed, money has been spent, people have not been born, and nothing can be changed.
      Then bearded men with machine guns will come and demand that you immediately vacate the house, because they have a large family and they need it more. laughing
      1. 0
        2 August 2025 21: 17
        Well, of course, to latch onto a mistake and make a stunning conclusion. It would be more honest to say directly, like, yes, I can't stand criticism, such a narcissistic peacock.
        1. -1
          2 August 2025 22: 48
          Such mistakes say a lot about a person and especially about his level of education. I have never seen a person who regularly makes grammatical mistakes who would be in tune with logic.
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  30. 0
    2 August 2025 00: 27
    Yes, it is impossible to return the pre-revolutionary village. The products of large agricultural enterprises will always be cheaper than the products of small farms. To live normally on the land, you need at least 4 hectares per family and a lot of investment. However, there are non-trivial solutions to increase the birth rate - this is to legalize relationships with several partners at the same time, to have two wives or two husbands. And secondly, to sell the right to raise a future child to other families. Then children will stop being thrown into the trash or killed in maternity hospitals during abortions, because many families dream of children, but physically cannot have them.
  31. +1
    2 August 2025 13: 55
    In other words, to resolve the demographic crisis, we need exactly what we have been despising, trampling on and eradicating for more than 50 years – ideas that go beyond the life of a specific person, both in terms of time and scale, and the activities associated with this. You know: “Why are you daydreaming?”, “You have to live now!”, “You have to know how to get by in life!” and so on. This is the pseudo-worldly “wisdom” that we have been cultivating for decades and for about three generations. This is what has given rise to the demographic nosedive.
    Dear author, please clarify, be more specific, or better yet, decipher this vague phrase of yours. sad And by the way, what is this absurd figure - 50 years, what is it supposed to mean?
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    2 August 2025 14: 19
    the plan requires the consent of the participants, the consent of the participants requires being on the same page and some rules, justice or something. What plan is possible without disinfecting the foreheads of the privatizers?
  33. -1
    2 August 2025 21: 51
    It will be much more interesting and useful to learn the true reasons from the female audience, which is present in small numbers on the site. Otherwise, the articles will look like attempts by humanists to describe the meaning of the wave function formula of a quantum particle in their own words.
  34. +1
    3 August 2025 08: 40
    Author:
    The point is that children are born in principle so that they inherit the business that their parents were engaged in, in the form of results, experience, skills, transmitted in the process of upbringing. That is, the purpose of childbearing is to pass on to them its function.
    Wow! Also add debit - credit to this description. And based on this - unlock the fallopian tubes and sperm or lock them... Utter nonsense!

    Children are an expression of the main postulate of Life - life exists to continue. The desire for predictability of Life. All living things exist for this reason. Man is no exception. And in order to embody this main principle of Life, all living things either adapt or migrate in search of conditions acceptable for the individual.

    In short, children are born because they are a hope for the best - and this is not a necessary result of a new life - it has been like this forever and ever. In order not to think about the consequences of human birth, we are given instincts and hormones and orgasm as a reward for a person.

    And all this reasoning about functionality and practical reasons in each pair... is an expression of strategies of adaptation and migration.

    The day will come when robots with self-awareness and self-knowledge will take up the issue of Life and its necessity from the point of view of these creatures. And it is not at all clear that they will treat Life with understanding or respect - this is because the result of the development and education of these creatures by PEOPLE bears only the seeds of the destruction of Life. And so, of course, yes, until this breaking point it will be more comfortable and interesting for many...
  35. 0
    6 August 2025 19: 09
    Quote: Author
    ...children are born in principle so that they can inherit the business that they are doing
    parents were engaged in, in the form of results, experience, skills, transmitted in the process
    upbringing. That is, the purpose of childbearing is to pass on its function to them.

    what

    A controversial statement, unless the author judged by himself.
    Regarding the “inherited business”, if a financial empire is inherited, for example, then it is possible, although not a fact - there have been precedents.
    And if a crumbling wooden shack (a panel cell of 37 sq. m.) and a job with a beggarly salary are inherited, then the inherited “functions” are abandoned.
    Well, as a rule, parents want a better life for their children.
  36. 0
    6 August 2025 19: 21
    By the way, a certain part of the citizens of the Russian Federation (1%) has a burning desire to impose a caste system fertilized by a digital concentration camp, hence the crunching of a loaf of bread for the blessed aristocracy and the wise Tsar-father...
    1. -1
      9 August 2025 01: 02
      Quote: Gunter
      a burning desire to impose a caste system fertilized by a digital concentration camp,

      Caste system in the conditions of technological development? Today we need an assembler programmer, tomorrow a C programmer, then a Sodesis or a specialist in artificial vision and artificial intelligence. In this case, we have to put a person predisposed to a slightly different job in a management position and change managers very quickly. A delay in a deep reshuffling of castes for 5 or 8 years can lead the country to collapse. In addition, in reality, the system of propaganda and education of the Russian elite is such that their children dream of simply living peacefully abroad and holding a cushy position with a lot of free time. I observe this in industry, other aspects are not available to me.