The Collapse of Eurasianism

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The Collapse of Eurasianism
Illustration from the book by A. Blok "The Twelve. Scythians". Paris, 1920. Artist M. Larionov


After the revolution and civil war, monarchism, as a system of governance under feudalism, was becoming a thing of the past, and the petty-bourgeois White Guard milieu needed a “new ideology” or “ideologies.” One such example of “ideology” was Eurasianism, as a cultural-political and historical movement. Not the least important factor in the formation of this theory was the resentment towards “civilized Europe”, which did not provide the necessary assistance to the Whites in the fight against the Bolshevik infection, “ungratefully” abandoned those who from 1914 to 1917 shed blood for the “common European cause”, contrary to the interests of Russia. But Eurasianism, like other local ideologies of the White emigration, did not become a support for the dispersing diaspora.



In fact, Eurasianism was not some kind of special ideology, but a theory that assumed that Russia is a special Eurasian, and not European, civilization.

According to some supporters of this theory, Russia's development was more influenced by its eastern neighbors than by Europe. Some Eurasians traced the Russian state itself to the Mongol "empire." And Russia's expansion by lands in the east, in their opinion, only emphasized this. If we call a spade a spade, Russia is not Europe, but a Eurasian or eastern country. This opinion was in tune with the ideas of conservative and fascist European leaders of the time about Soviet Russia: yes, Russia is Soviet-era Asiaticism.

Based on the Eurasian “structure” of Russia, it was assumed that in the event of the fall of the Bolshevik government, the eastern peoples and ethnic groups would not flee to their separatist apartments, because they were united not by the communist ideology of the equality of workers and peoples, but by the Eurasian common origin of the Russians and other peoples and ethnic groups that became part of the empire, and then the USSR.

After some enthusiasm for Eurasianism in the émigré community, including such historians as G. V. Vernadsky, it became the property of historiography. And, it would seem, forever. But it was not to be.

Its revival took place in the last decade of Soviet power.

Serious external threats forced the USSR to industrialize and urbanize at the highest rates. Public consciousness could not keep up with these rates, which became especially noticeable in the early 70s. This gap between the material and the mental caused a crisis of collective consciousness: the influence of the agrarian mentality left its mark.

The first prosperous years without wars and competition in Russian history, as if out of nowhere, gave rise to a search for ideological “alternatives” to the surrounding reality, especially among the “rushing” intelligentsia. A place was found for White Guard Eurasianism.

In fact, it was revived by Lev Nikolaevich Gumilev, a man with a difficult fate. He seemed to want to talk about "Ethnogenesis and the Earth's biosphere", but returned Eurasianism. Of course, he did not claim that Rus' became the successor of the Mongol "empire", but he stubbornly defended the symbiosis of the Steppe and Russian principalities.

With perestroika, Gumilev's word began to sound stronger, whether he wanted it or not, it entered the mainstream. And it would be fine if these ideas were only mastered by exalted ladies admiring the author. But gradually, despite all scientific data, the theory penetrated both political science and politics, and famous writers and home-grown philosophers began to propagate it and take it into service.

In search of Eurasian roots?


And what do we have there in Russian history, how did things stand with Asian roots?

The following fact of early Russian history is important for us. The tribal structures of the Eastern Slavs of the 8th–9th centuries were formed in the process of colonization in the forest-steppe and forest, completely undeveloped part of Eastern Europe, while in Western Europe feudalism had already begun to form in territories partly cultivated by the Romans, with cities and Roman roads. This and only this is connected with the “lag” of the Eastern Slavic and Russian ethnic groups, which entered the path of historical development much later than their Western neighbors.

In all other respects, the Russian ethnic group developed and followed a similar path to other European states.

After the Mongol invasion, external power was established over the "sovereign" lands of Rus'. On the part of the khans, it consisted of the confiscation of surplus product, tribute, and everything that was connected with this (control over Russian princes, periodic raids, etc.).

The conquerors needed to establish a constant flow of income from the conquered lands with as little effort as possible. And the Russian lands also needed to build relationships, protecting them from devastating raids by the steppe dwellers. In this regard, it is completely untenable to talk about some kind of symbiosis between Rus and the Horde; all relationships between the Horde and Rus clearly demonstrate the relationship of conquerors and conquered tributaries. Throughout the Tatar-Mongol yoke, these relationships changed and evolved, but as soon as Rus was able to gather the necessary forces, the struggle for the abolition of tribute in favor of the steppe dwellers began.

The conquerors certainly influenced the socio-economic processes in the fragile agrarian economy, in the conditions of the risky farming zone, Ancient Rus, but did not change the path of its development. The nomadic state stood outside Rus, nearby, but outside, unlike, for example, Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, included in the Ottoman Empire.

The defeat of the Russian Lands and their fall under external control led to the dying out of the old form of governance of Rus', which could not cope with external challenges: from city-states (Land) to a military-service state. All this, within the framework of the communal-territorial structure both in north-eastern Rus' and in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. At the same time, as a response to the challenge, the early Russian state is formed at the end of the 15th century. Within the framework of which the system of governance of the already class state, the monarchy, is formed.

Rus' is still following the same path of organic development; there is no need to talk about any transition from the “European” to the “Asian” path.

The only alternative to this path could be a complete copying of the structure of a nomadic society, which we do not observe in Rus'. If an agricultural society had become structurally a nomadic society, and each farmer had become a warrior-rider, then we could talk about the "Asian (!) path of development." But the agrarian technological cycle excludes such a situation and requires control over work for almost the entire year, unlike the nomadic way of life, especially in the Eastern European steppe, where the key labor activity was war. It was this constant external threat that stimulated the emergence of feudalism in Rus'.

The great Russian princes, beginning with Ivan III, consider themselves not so much as thrifty masters of their court, volosts, cities and coffers, but rulers of the state, equal only to outstanding foreign monarchs. The "Queen of Constantinople" and Greek emigrants from Italy strengthened the Russian great princes in this. Incidentally, Byzantium from the 6th to the 12th centuries had its main territories in Asia, but this did not make this Christian empire an Asian country or satrapy.

In the 15th century, Muscovite Rus' was the only Orthodox country with such capabilities and powers in Europe. The only fully autocratic (sovereign) state. Therefore, the Eurocentric and Christian formula "Moscow is the third Rome" was and is absolutely logical. Note, not the "third Sarai" or Karakorum, but Rome.

The key factor in the formation of the monarchy as an institution of governance under feudalism was Christianity. Which was fully reflected, as in all of feudal Europe, in the ideology of Rus'. Or governance in the "image and likeness of God." Joseph Volotsky pointed out that the Grand Prince of Moscow was not the first among equals, but the "sovereign of sovereigns." No Russian prince had previously possessed such divine legitimacy.

As soon as Ivan III placed the “children of the boyars” (nobles) on border lands and lands under threat of invasion, the process of formation of feudalism began, legally finally formalized by the Cathedral Code of 1649.
How detailed was this process, based on modern scientific historiography, I described in a number of articles on VO, which I suggest that all those who have questions about these events in our history read.

Thus, at the end of one social system and the transition to another, feudalism, Russia (the authentic term) freed itself from external tributary dependence, and thanks to the feudal army, the first Russian monarch and tsar, the Orthodox Christian sovereign of the Holy Russian Empire, according to Kurbsky, Ivan the Terrible, defeated the nearest Tatar kingdoms. It should be noted that no Christian and highly educated person for his era, Ivan Vasilyevich, would have thought of connecting the history of Holy Rus' with its eastern origin.

It should be noted that, contrary to the stable historiographical tradition, which was especially actively promoted at the beginning of the 21st century, Rus and Russiya developed primarily as a Russian state. Despite the fact that ethnicity was secondary during this period, neighboring ethnic groups, such as the Finno-Ugric, were integrated into its composition by force. Service foreigners were incorporated exclusively through Christianization.

Throughout Russian history up to and including the 17th century, no symbiosis or borrowing of governance systems or institutions from the East is observed. We observe this even less during the period associated with the beginning of "modernization" or the forced total borrowing of technologies from the West. According to A. Toynbee, due to Russia's historical closeness to Europe, unlike Turkey or Iran, this modernization was successful both under Peter the Great and his immediate followers.

The wars that Russia waged against various European states in the 18th–19th centuries within the framework of various coalitions also in no way turn Russia into a Eurasian power.

Moreover, the ruling class in Russia acquired European habits, and its representatives, beginning with Prince V.V. Golitsyn (1643–1714), who had "the most European palace" in Europe, were often more European than the Europeans themselves.

Catherine the Great corresponded with outstanding philosophers of France, not Asia, and a huge number of foreign specialists from Europe worked in the field of creating modern development institutions of that time in Russia.

The inclusion of the Bashkir tribes or Kazakh zhuzes into the Russian Empire did not change the structure of its governance; no governance mechanisms were borrowed from the Kalmyks, Chukchi, Nogai or Daur.

But modern Russian literature (represented by the “sun of our poetry” A.S. Pushkin) and modern music (represented by M.I. Glinka), like painting, have European roots and foundations.

Yes, at the Russian court they spoke foreign European languages for a long time, Nicholas I called himself an "Old Prussian", and the Third Section wrote reports in French. And we do not want to say that all this is very wonderful. But such is the historical situation, and to ignore it would be absurd. And all this, we repeat, does not exclude the fact that we have more than once or twice confronted European military threats.

The natural advance to the east served as the beginning of the inclusion of Asian peoples into the Russian Empire, and here, due to historical circumstances, the empire acted as a colonizer. The few Russian officials were forced to fight the customs and traditions of the annexed ethnic groups, openly calling them "savage". But, let us repeat, what borrowings could Russia have made during its conquests in Transcaucasia, the North Caucasus or Central Asia?

Of course, some external attributes, as part of the fashion for everything oriental in colonial countries, appeared in Russia (Circassian coat, hookah, shashlik or kefir, etc.), but there is no need to talk about serious cultural and social borrowings.

In socio-economic terms, Russia stood significantly higher than any neighboring Asian country or the peoples or ethnic groups included in Russia. And as I already wrote in detail in the article on VO “The Great Mistakes of the USSR: The Ethnic Question at the End of the Russian Empire"The ethnic outskirts were held together solely by the knowledge that the white tsar had military power, and with the disappearance of the feudal monarchy in 1917, nothing held them together in a single space...

In the Soviet period, first of all, it is necessary to talk about “pulling up” the peoples and ethnic groups of the former Russian Empire to the level of indigenous Russia, the Europeanization of these territories in the literal sense of the word, as the slogan in the film: “Down with prejudices. A woman is also a human being!

In Soviet times, both alphabets and even ethnic cuisines for the peoples and ethnic groups of the USSR were developed according to plan. The task of raising the cultural level was also for the Russian people, not to mention the ethnic groups of the east of our country.
The equality of all peoples of the late USSR was not declarative, but history did not give time for the leveling of the country's cultural and mental situation: time was needed to assimilate secular and European culture. But after the destruction of the system-forming communist ideology, "traditional values" returned many nationalities and ethnic groups of the USSR to the past, caused bloody events throughout Central Asia and two counter-terrorist operations in the Caucasus.
Thus, the Eurasian theory has no historical basis.

Eurasianism as a political dead end


Today it is obvious that Eurasianism is a completely unworkable and, one might even say, harmful theory for the foreign policy of our country.

The fact that we, as a country, will consider ourselves part of Asia, and not, say, Europe or the Moon, does not change anything, because diplomacy is not built around the illusory theories of “we are also yours” – bourgeois, Asian, globally southern, etc.

The basis of diplomacy is the awareness of the self-sufficiency of one’s own country, an understanding of the self-sufficiency of its history and culture.

Regardless of Eurasianism, the process of reintegration with the eastern republics of the USSR, due to the orientation of the former Soviet republics, starting with Russia, to the West, was completely missed. That is why the integration processes on the territory of the former USSR, which found their embodiment in various forms, including the still existing CIS or EurAsEC, did not develop, and the "multi-vector" declared by our country was infectious. Moreover, Russia did not exist in a vacuum, but in a tough competitive environment.

Even the important thing that united Russia and the former Soviet republics of Central Asia and Transcaucasia cannot be a reason for integration, because anti-Sovietism, as the only working ideology in the post-Soviet space, further divides all the former peoples and ethnic groups of the USSR not only internationally, but also within our country, which is worth only "Zuleikha Opens Her Eyes."

It is difficult to distinguish real planned work in the activities of our embassies in the former republics of Transcaucasia and Central Asia, and not situational reflection. Therefore, in the comments of citizens of our country, one can see such questions: why do we need this integration? Why are we feeding them? Are we being used, etc.

Neighboring countries are actively using the current difficult foreign policy and logistics (finances and goods) situation of Russia to their advantage. Thus, of course, helping our country. Despite the external demonstration of good neighborliness, the leadership of these republics has no desire to have closer political contacts with our country. Now they are focused on "multi-vectorism", and they have something to "trade" with other global players. The current situation suits them. Russia's positions in Central Asia and Transcaucasia, we must call things by their proper names, are weakening, so the dreams of the "new Eurasians" for a "rigid coupling" in our time are similar to plans to build New Vasyuki.

Post scriptum
Based on modern realities, it is obvious that in interaction with the countries of the East, we need to, first of all, realize what we need and what we want, we need clear positioning and real, not formal planning to achieve these goals. And even greater control over execution.

Copying the actions of the USSR, based on a different, directly opposite ideological basis, and especially the fantasies of the Eurasian theory, will only harm this process.
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  1. +5
    1 August 2025 04: 24
    Anti-Sovietism, as the only working ideology in the post-Soviet space, further divides all former peoples and ethnic groups of the USSR
    And without any Eurasianism!
    1. -6
      1 August 2025 06: 39
      And without any Eurasianism!
      Well, how can we live without it...??? We are not Europe or Asia - we are a bridge between them - we are Eurasia... Perhaps someday this will become one of the main advantages of our Eurasian civilization...
      1. +11
        1 August 2025 07: 59
        All these attempts to come up with explanations for why Russia returned to the pre-revolutionary form of feudal capitalism are ridiculous in the 21st century. How were these issues resolved in the USSR? Very simply and complexly at the same time:
        Bazin gave the answer in "Courier":
        - The main principle of my existence is serving the human... human... humanistic ideals of humanity.
        To recognize these ideals in Russia means for the ruling class to recognize the rest of the population as equals. It is easier to obfuscate "Eurasianism"... "a special path"... "not for the sake of self-interest"...
        1. -6
          1 August 2025 08: 20
          Who and when admitted this? Is it really the American elite? Well, well, well, American billionaires consider local homeless people and unemployed people equal. lol
          And as for the "special path", who called themselves an "exceptional nation" and spits in the face of these very same Europeans at every opportunity?
          Yes, there was such an Adolf... but his current overseas colleagues are not far behind.
          1. +1
            1 August 2025 09: 24
            Who and when admitted this? Is it really the American elite? Well, well, well, American billionaires consider local homeless people and unemployed people equal.

            We don't give a damn about American billionaires. Answer for yourself. We are only interested in life in Russia.
            And as for the "special path", who called themselves an "exceptional nation" and spits in the face of these very same Europeans at every opportunity?

            And I don't give a damn about the Europeans either. Let them sort it out for themselves.
            Yes, there was such an Adolf... but his current overseas colleagues are not far behind.

            Let them go to the forest with Adolf. We are talking about Russia. About everything being fair.
            1. +2
              1 August 2025 13: 24
              Well, go ahead and sing, drum on your neck. You want justice? Well, what are you personally ready to do to make this justice greater? Spitting on your neighbors is clearly not enough for this. Or do you think that kind uncles will bring you this justice on a silver platter? There are no such kind uncles. And our "partners" are ready to do everything to make sure that such people never appear among us.
              To continue to remain "exceptional"...
              1. -4
                1 August 2025 13: 40
                Well, go ahead and sing, drum on your neck. You want justice? Well, what are you personally ready to do to make this justice greater? Spitting on your neighbors is clearly not enough for this. Or do you think that kind uncles will bring this justice to you on a silver platter? There are no such kind uncles.

                We don't need revolutions. You will die out on your own due to natural causes. And your children and grandchildren will remain there abroad. And they are weak, having grown up in hothouse conditions.
                And our "partners" are ready to do everything to ensure that such people never appear among us.

                Your partners are your partners.
                To continue to remain "exceptional"...

                We don't care about them. Read carefully.
                1. 0
                  2 August 2025 08: 36
                  Quote: Civil
                  We don't need revolutions. You will die out on your own due to natural causes. And your children and grandchildren will remain there abroad. And they are weak, having grown up in hothouse conditions.


                  We'll all be there, though. Or are we planning to live forever?
                  Where my children and grandchildren live is definitely not up to you to decide.
                  Who cares about your attitude? Who are you in real life, anyway? Who cares about the attitude and judgment of someone who is only capable of indulging in their own desires and tapping their fingers on the keyboard. You are clearly not one of those who are capable of taking concrete action.
                  And for now, the agenda is determined by these same “partners”, whether you like it or not.
      2. 0
        2 January 2026 16: 54
        Why is everything in Russia done through the fillet?
  2. -8
    1 August 2025 04: 31
    Eurasianism was just beginning to gain momentum.
    that's why the first people the Anglo-Saxons tried to remove were not the military correspondents or even the military-industrial complex officers or engineers, but the person who is very far from the SVO, Dugin.
    Eurasianism is the unification of Europe and Asia into one economic and cultural space and, most importantly, under the leadership of Russia (because only Russia is both Europe and Asia, all sorts of Turkeys have taken only small pieces of territory from Europe and Asia, and Russia occupies half of Europe and half of Asia).
    and now after the SVO there will be big purges in politics, and not only in our country. They will also purge the States and the EU. and then they will build a new world, and this world will be very different from the world we saw before.
    because AI and robots will greatly change both the economy and human life in general.
    and despite fears about Skynet and the world government that will build a digital gulag (in China, the "Komsomol" is trying to do this and it is essentially a testing ground for these technologies), in the end everything will be fine.
    1. +6
      1 August 2025 05: 01
      and now after the SVO there will be big purges in politics, and not only in our country. They will also purge the States and the EU. and then they will build a new world, and this world will be very different from the world we saw before.
      - I am always so pleased with the unbridled flight of fantasy, because it is not limited by anything, no connection to reality is needed laughing
      1. -4
        1 August 2025 05: 02
        Actually, I'm a realist in this regard.
        It's just that some citizens can't prove anything anyway, they don't want to see anything positive, they only want to see something negative, then they can feel sorry for themselves.
        1. +4
          1 August 2025 05: 04
          It's just that some citizens can't prove anything anyway, they don't want to see anything positive, they only want to see something negative, then they can feel sorry for themselves.
          - I'm saying: fantasy is a good thing, it calms you down when reality doesn't match what you want laughing
          1. -3
            1 August 2025 05: 10
            Actually, this is not fantasy, but specific statements by specific people, then local events, then global ones.
            and you don't even know who Klaus Schwab is, or what kind of sharaga he represents. So my intuition tells me that you have no idea what Stratfor is in reality, not according to BBC and SNN, and you haven't watched the speeches of their leaders, or the description of their plans (by the way, there were such reservations as that they have not allowed Russia and Germany to unite for 400 years, but 400 years ago there were no states or Stratfor. But English interests appeared then).
            but at the same time I fly in my fantasies.
            Well, if you want to live in darkness, you live there, who am I to stop you from living like that?
            Well, do you at least know what AGI is?
            1. +1
              1 August 2025 05: 41
              So, the new world, or rather the digital gulag, is to your taste? "... in the end everything will be fine..." wink I don't understand slaves who like slavery... "...they will kneel and rebel..."
              1. -4
                1 August 2025 05: 49
                try to read again what I wrote. I think it was written in Russian
                1. +1
                  1 August 2025 06: 08
                  laughing Have you read your first comment? Or have you forgotten what you wrote...
                  1. -3
                    1 August 2025 06: 19
                    I remember what I wrote. But someone else apparently couldn't get through the text in Russian.
                    My condolences to your teachers.
    2. +7
      1 August 2025 09: 22
      and the person who is very far from the SVO is Dugin.
      Dear Sir, if you don't know, Dugin is a fascist. Read who he worships. Read what he writes himself. And before the SVO, he exchanged experiences with Banderovites. And they took his "patriotic" rebound for betrayal. Fascists and liberals, as history has shown, are just two sides of the same coin (not a medal).
      1. -10
        1 August 2025 09: 36
        and now the Semitic tales have come up.
        I know that liberal citizens have a favorite technique of accusing opponents of fascism during any uproar, just like Jews immediately accuse of anti-Semitism, and blacks of racism.
        Dugin is probably the tenth person to be labeled a fascist because they did not sell out Russia and its people.
        1. +2
          1 August 2025 09: 44
          Dugin is probably the tenth person to be labeled a fascist because they did not sell out Russia and its people.
          You seem to know how to use the Internet, since you went to the VO website and were able to register? Or did "uncle" do it for you? And are you aware that Zionists first of all accuse others of anti-Semitism?! If you don't know, here you go. If you have problems understanding my reference to search engines, then I feel sorry for you.
          1. -6
            1 August 2025 09: 46
            hmm, for some reason you transferred my hint to me.
            which further convinces us that you are deliberately discrediting Dugin.
            My gut feeling tells me that you will continue to answer questions with questions.
            1. +1
              1 August 2025 09: 52
              hmm, for some reason you transferred my hint to me.
              So history has taught you nothing, and it seems you haven’t studied history, even in the slightest.
              1. -3
                1 August 2025 09: 54
                Well, I, the winner of district history olympiads, am no match for anonymous commentators. After all, if an anonymous person wrote that Dugin is a fascist, then that's how it is, anonymous people won't lie. Edmond Dantes will confirm.
                1. 0
                  1 August 2025 09: 57
                  Well, how can I, the winner of district history olympiads, compare to anonymous commentators? After all, if an anonymous person wrote that Dugin is a fascist, then that means it is so, anonymous people won't lie. Edmond Dantes won't let you lie.
                  To understand that Dugin is a fascist, you just need to read what he writes and whose mill he is playing into. And that his idol is Ilyin, who served Hitler. If you don't know this, you can use your certificates for "winning district olympiads" in a different capacity. Oh, I get it, you are "an officer's daughter - a native Crimean."
                  1. -4
                    1 August 2025 10: 05
                    I read Dugin's books as a child. And as a fan of mythology and conspiracy theories, I found a hell of a lot of stuff in his works. And most importantly, he exposed Saxon geopolitics.
                    and in several books that I read about his idols there was nothing. Dugin is simply inconvenient for the English, that they even reached the Crimean women, and inconvenient because he also illuminated their geopolitics and was one of those who in the 90s did not allow Russia to finally lose its self under the onslaught of Western values.
                    PS don't read myths, otherwise you'll get to Gnosticism and there it will turn out that even Serrano wrote wonderful books, they are truly magnificent. But only those concerning mythology. Which didn't stop him from idolizing Hitler and holding almost masses for Hitler as an avatar.
                    and you shouldn't get into arguments in which you don't understand anything at all.
                    spoiler, if you unravel this ball of thread that is being discussed now, you will come to the Paleolithic Venus (Golden Woman), and the struggle between matriarchy and male homosexuality (patriarchy).
                    but this is a loooooong path, and if you don’t panic and start to unravel this ball, you will see the world completely differently than you saw it before.
                    1. +6
                      1 August 2025 10: 06
                      I admit I was wrong. In your case, medicine is powerless.
                      1. -4
                        1 August 2025 10: 14
                        I told you that you don't understand what we're talking about, you just read about an idol in some pedigree and started trashing it all over the RuNet. And the fact that you're talking nonsense doesn't bother you at all. The main thing is to show that you're not a fascist, but a tolerant non-racist. And some of the less literate people will also think you're smart. You haven't even read Dugin's main book to understand why mythology is the main thing in this topic, because it's where it all started.
                        that is why the 3rd Reich is first and foremost a mystical order, and within it there were at least 3 more orders that few people know about, and of these critics, one in a hundred has heard of Irminism and of them only one in a hundred knows what it is.
                        therefore, for those who are especially gifted - do not get involved in topics for which you are not ready, either morally or educationally.
                        and I will remind you once again - at first people had faith in spirits, then faith in the Mother and fertility, and only then gods, then the priesthood that controlled everything (Brahmins), and only then came the army and after it the merchants.
                        You simply don't know the basics, but you pretend to be...
                      2. +1
                        1 August 2025 11: 11
                        Yes, of course. Phone 103, your everything. Free advice.
                      3. -2
                        1 August 2025 11: 48
                        When education does not allow for a reasoned debate, then they usually resort to personal attacks. A technique as old as dust on your ears.
                        driven over many times and is of no interest.
                        go to the library at least once and read the material on the topic you are trying to argue about so as not to put yourself in an awkward light.
                        because any person interested in these topics can make logical conclusions even without materials, and with materials even more so.
                        You didn't even have enough logic, I won't even mention the materials. pedivikiya is your everything. Alas, I'm bored at this level.
                      4. 0
                        1 August 2025 14: 36
                        When education does not allow for a reasoned debate, then they usually resort to personal attacks.
                        Let me remind you, the emergency medical helpline is 103.
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            2. 0
              8 August 2025 08: 18
              Dugin discredits himself very well. Considering his past, it is quite possible that he does it unconsciously... 😂
    3. +3
      1 August 2025 13: 36
      Quote: Pavel Kislyakov
      all sorts of Turkey and Europe and Asia took only small pieces of territory
      In Turkey, the ideas of Eurasianism are very strong and they also reject the Western way of life and consider themselves a separate civilization. It is civilization, and not simply by belonging to another civilization - Islamic...
      1. -4
        1 August 2025 13: 45
        The Turks have Islam. And this is not the idea of Eurasianism, it is a religion, and religion never stops at what has been achieved and will go to other continents. Initially, Islam arose on the Arabian Peninsula, which is not exactly Eurasia. The Turks have the Great Turan as an analogue to Eurasianism. They strive for it and the British are pushing them towards it in every possible way. And we will be fighting the Turks again.
        The British are pressuring the Turks to create an empire that will be greater than the Ottoman Empire. The Turks are being led astray and are inciting other Turks to do the same. The Kazakhs are already lost, as is Azerbaijan. We will most likely have to fight them. And not because they want it, but because the Turks and the British will put pressure on them and promise them a ton of support and secret plans. The British already know that all these star Turks will get their fill of money, but they will promise their "torpedoes" mountains of everything, victories and trophies, and will remain silent about the fact that they were doomed even BEFORE the wars began.
        that is, in essence, the same game will continue that has been going on for thousands of years, just with different pawns.
      2. 0
        2 August 2025 08: 46
        Well, you can consider yourself whatever you want, but since Turkey is a member of NATO and is forced to dance (at least for now) to the tune of the Yankees, Turkey still does not qualify as a separate civilization. If a "civilization" is integrated (absorbed) and partially digested by an external subjective force, alien from the start, it ceases to be an independent civilization.
        Earlier, during the heyday of the Ottoman Porte, the Turks could claim some kind of specialness, their own path, etc.... in modern conditions - alas, alas.
    4. -1
      2 August 2025 22: 46
      The product itself is possible with Victory in the Northern Military District.
    5. 0
      2 January 2026 16: 58
      What purges in politics? As long as Putin is alive and we have a State Duma, and Edim Rossii, we have nowhere to go.
      And I will sell gas and oil cheaply, pushing basins of AvtoVAZ bolts onto people.
  3. +6
    1 August 2025 04: 36
    Frankly speaking, in my youth I also fell under the influence of Gumilev and read his books. However, along with mental and spiritual maturation came the understanding that the ruler and the tributary cannot be allies.
    I have a question for the author (or for those who know history). Gumilev claims that the concept of "yoke" appeared much later than the period in question and came from Poland. Can you comment?
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      1 August 2025 04: 54
      perhaps this is because of the alternative version about the Tatar-Mongol invasion.
      because there is a version that there was no yoke, but simply pagan and Christian Rus' fought. In fact, it was the SVO of that time, and then they went further. They reached France.
      and Poland could well have participated in the falsification of history. If I remember correctly, there was a monument in Poland where a shlikhtich tramples a "Mongol-Tatar" underfoot, but that Tatar-Mongol had a European appearance.
      and in the drawings of the same Battle of Kulikovo both sides look the same. whereas the drawings of Nevsky's battle with the Swedes looked different. there the Swedes are different from the Russians.
      1. +2
        1 August 2025 07: 37
        Quote: Pavel Kislyakov
        That Tatar-Mongol had a European appearance
        Can you explain to me the mysterious term "Tatar-Mongol". What is it? wink
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          1 August 2025 07: 47
          it's like the one who kept Rus' in the "yoke".
          1. +4
            1 August 2025 07: 52
            Quote: Pavel Kislyakov
            it's like the one who kept Rus' in the "yoke"
            Why not Gallo-Chinese or Eskimo-Masai? wink
            1. -4
              1 August 2025 07: 53
              ask Karamzin.....................
              1. +5
                1 August 2025 10: 44
                Quote: Pavel Kislyakov
                ask Karamzin.
                I would ask, but he hasn't been alive for two hundred years. wink
                1. -1
                  1 August 2025 13: 52
                  and do you constantly ask the question about why some person said exactly this or that to other people?
                  For example, you're riding on a trolleybus and there's a ticket inspector, he asks you for a ticket, and you ask him/her - why did Polipov decide to add acetone to White's solution?
            2. 0
              9 August 2025 06: 30
              Why not Gallo-Chinese or Eskimo-Masai?

              Or the Austro-Hungarians. Or the Novgorod Republic, which never suspected that it was a republic. Or Byzantium, which never called itself that. You shouldn't confuse designations with names.
        2. -1
          1 August 2025 13: 29
          Well, Mongol - from the Latin "magnum", which means "great". You can also remember the Polish - "magnate". The gentry, however, are also "Mongols".

          Tatar - from the Old Russian "tat'", which means robber.

          So "Mongol-Tatars" = "great robbers".
        3. 0
          9 August 2025 06: 28
          the mysterious term "Tatar-Mongol". What is it?

          Not a Tatar-Mongol. And the Mongol-Tatars. Tatar-Mongols are a distortion of the term.
          This term was born from the famous title of the work of Plano Carpini "Historia Mongalorum quos nos Tartaros appellamus" ("History of the Mongols, whom we call Tatars")
    2. +13
      1 August 2025 07: 09
      Good afternoon,
      You are right about the term "yoke", it appeared in the chronicle of Jan Dlugosz, and it was introduced into scientific circulation by N.M. Karamzin. It is now an established scientific term.
      But if a phenomenon was not named in any way in the current era, this does not mean that it did not exist.
      "!The inexorable tribute" lay as a heavy burden on the Russians, who did not particularly know about tribute before the Mongols, and mostly took it themselves.
      For example, the term "smuta" (troubles), which became, thanks to scientific research, an established definition of the period of the early 17th century in Russia. Of course, his contemporaries did not call it that. It first appeared in Kotoshikhin's work as a definition for all the uprisings at the end of the 17th century.
      Well, let's say that the Great Socialist October Revolution, in October 1917, was also called an uprising.
      Etc.
      1. +5
        1 August 2025 09: 20
        Hello dear Eduard hi
        The Great Socialist October Revolution.....in October 1917 was called an uprising

        And didn't the Bolsheviks themselves call it in the post-revolutionary period? a coup?
        After all, the holiday of November 7th itself was called differently? Very interesting topic.
        1. +1
          1 August 2025 12: 49
          Dmitry, good afternoon,
          of course.
          Best regards,
          hi
          1. 0
            1 August 2025 17: 05
            I don't understand Dugin, most often. Or maybe I don't accept him. recourse I like some articles about Russia. About how it should be strong. But it happens that liberalism, Nazism and Communism are put in the same row as harmful, terrible phenomena, criminal ones at that. I don't accept this categorically. Or, for example, about Orthodoxy in Russia. But isn't religion a voluntary matter? V.I. LENIN wanted freedom, a decent life, education, medicine, state support ---- for all layers of society. And not just for the Orthodox.
            1. +2
              1 August 2025 18: 09
              Yes, Dugin is a strange guy. As a human being, one can only deeply sympathize with him.
              Everything else is the greatest confusion.
              1. +1
                1 August 2025 20: 11
                Yes, indeed, dear Eduard! Sometimes the articles are so different, as if different people were writing them.
            2. 0
              3 August 2025 20: 26
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Liberalism, Nazism and Communism are placed in the same row

              Communism is superfluous in this series, but this would be correct.
              1. 0
                3 August 2025 21: 14
                Extra! that's what I'm talking about. That's why I don't accept it. This is the article THE BLACK BOOK OF LIBERALISM.
        2. +4
          1 August 2025 13: 30
          Quote: Reptiloid
          But didn’t the Bolsheviks themselves call it a coup in the post-revolutionary period?
          Until 1927 the holiday was called - October coupBut then Comrade Stalin came up with a new name for it - The Great October Socialist Revolution...
          1. +1
            1 August 2025 13: 38
            I read somewhere that there was some name associated with the World Revolution, but no matter how much I searched, I couldn’t find it. recourse Or something like ---- First day of the New World..... recourse
          2. +2
            1 August 2025 16: 13
            in essence, it is one and the same thing. Revolution (from the late Latin revolutio - "rotation, revolution, transformation, conversion") is a radical, sharp, jump-like transition from one qualitative state to another, a profound change, переворот.
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              3 August 2025 18: 29
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              in essence, it is one and the same thing. Revolution (from the late Latin revolutio - "rotation, revolution, transformation, conversion") is a radical, sharp, jump-like transition from one qualitative state to another, a profound change, a revolution.

              This clinging to words reveals in people a complete lack of understanding of the processes that took place then. It seems to them that this manipulation of words will reveal some secret meaning to them. But no matter what you call it, the meaning will not change. Yes, translated from Latin, it is a coup. Here, the word "revolution" in essence simply emphasizes the nature of what happened. That this was not a banal change of power within the framework of an unchanged economic and political system. But a fundamental change in both the economy and the system of power.
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                3 August 2025 20: 17
                even if you don't agree, it was
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                not a banal change of power within the framework of an unchanged economic and political system. But a fundamental change of both the economy and the system of power.

                Well, at least hit yourself against the wall... it was a coup..
                1. 0
                  9 August 2025 06: 24
                  Did the form of ownership transfer or not? If it didn't transfer, then it was a coup. If it did transfer, then it was a revolution?
                  1. 0
                    9 August 2025 06: 46
                    Quote: Redoubt
                    Did the form of ownership transfer or not? If it didn't transfer, then it was a coup. If it did transfer, then it was a revolution?

                    This is a dispute about what is more correct to say - to start moving or to move from a place.
      2. 0
        1 August 2025 18: 23
        Thank you very much for your detailed answer!
        "The inexorable tribute" lay as a heavy burden on the Russians,

        Could you at least roughly estimate the size of this tribute? The idea of "tithe" is spinning in my head, i.e. a tribute of 10% of all property (or of the manufactured product, i.e. of "GDP"?). Or some other amount? And with an income tax of 13% (not to mention the taxes paid by enterprises), maybe the tribute is not so terrible? And did Rus' pay tribute in people?
        1. +4
          1 August 2025 21: 16
          Yes, in short.
          At the first stage, we do not know the exact figures, 10% or 20% - these figures are not confirmed by anything.
          It can be assumed that the tribute was significantly higher than the indicated percentages, because processes that had previously been slow in Rus' began to develop quickly. The steppe dwellers imposed an arbitrary tribute, later it became a "tradition", and its distribution gradually turned into a "tax".
          We only have data on later figures.
          Edigey was given 3000 rubles when he almost took Moscow, and he repeatedly demanded payments for the old times, but Vasily the Dark paid Ulug-Muhammad 200 thousand, a colossal sum for Rus', which led to Vasily's fall: the Moscow lands were exhausted by such a sum. Novgorod saved, which separately paid "black forest" to Moscow, which went to the Tatars, since Moscow took "black forest" from Novgorod (arbitrarily), which covered all of Moscow's debt to the Horde.

          hi
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          1 August 2025 22: 32
          Data on the amount of tribute to Rus' during the Mongol yoke is based on various historical sources and studies.

          Russian Chronicles
          The Tale of Bygone Years and later chronicles (for example, Nikon, Ipatiev, Laurentian) contain information about the Mongol invasion, the establishment of tribute and the relationship between Russian princes and the Horde khans.
          They describe population censuses, mentions of baskaks and tax collections.
          Agreements and charters
          Treaties between Russian princes and the khans of the Golden Horde have been preserved, which set out the terms of tribute payment and the rights of the princes.
          An example is the “labels” (khan’s charters), which gave princes the right to reign on condition of paying tribute.
          Chronicles and writings of foreign travelers and diplomats
          The records of Western European and Byzantine chroniclers, as well as Arab and Persian geographers and historians (for example, Rashid ad-Din), describe the taxation system and the amount of tribute in the Golden Horde.
          These sources provide indirect information about the tax burden on Russian lands.
          Archaeological and economic research
          Excavations of coin hoards and analysis of economic activity and crafts make it possible to assess the economic level and tax obligations.
          Modern historical research and reconstruction based on the analysis of written and material sources.
          Population censuses and tax records
          Some documents contain information about population and property censuses, which served as the basis for calculating tribute.
          These documents have been partially preserved and require interpretation.
          A comprehensive study of chronicles, treaties, chronicles, as well as archaeological data and modern research allows us to reconstruct the scale and nature of tribute to Rus' during the Mongol yoke. However, due to the limited and fragmentary nature of the sources, the exact figures are often approximate.
          The size of the tribute
          The exact amount of tribute is difficult to determine due to the fragmentation of sources and differences between the different principalities.
          According to some sources, the annual tribute was about 10-15 thousand silver rubles for all of Rus', but these figures are approximate. For comparison, in the 5th century, the Moscow land paid about XNUMX thousand silver rubles per year.
          In addition to money, tribute in kind was paid: grain, cattle, furs, and handicrafts.
          Collection methods
          The Horde appointed baskaks - officials who collected tribute from the population.
          Population and property censuses (census of the "written" population) were also conducted to determine the tax base.
          In case of non-payment, repression and destruction of territories could be applied.
          Economic impact
          High taxes and tribute slowed down the economic development of Rus' and created a burden on peasants and townspeople.
          However, tribute also served as a form of recognition of the Horde's power and provided relative security from new raids.

          The economy of Rus' was predominantly agrarian, with developed crafts and trade.
          Modern historians and economists, reconstructing medieval economies, estimate the GDP of Russian lands at several tens of thousands of silver rubles per year (taking into account all sectors). There are no exact figures, but the scale can be compared with the size of the tribute.
          If we assume that the GDP of Rus' was about 50-100 thousand silver rubles per year, then the tribute could have been approximately 10-20% of the economic product.
          This is a high tax level, comparable to the heavy tax burden in agrarian societies.

          Comparison with other regions and eras
          For medieval states, a tax burden of 10–20% of GDP was quite typical, especially in conditions of conquest and dependence.
          Moreover, the tribute included not only money, but also payments in kind, which increased the burden.
          Limitations of the assessment
          Sources do not provide direct data on GDP and tax revenues.
          The economy was heterogeneous, with different levels of development in the regions.
          Payments in kind are difficult to convert into monetary equivalent.
          1. +1
            9 August 2025 06: 22
            At the same time, we must also remember that the Horde and the khans scooped up warriors and slaves (who could work the land) from Rus', and all Horde trade was in the hands of non-Russian merchants.
    3. +1
      1 August 2025 08: 28
      And the word "yoke" has Mongolian origins?
      Well, yes, there is an opinion that it comes from the Latin "ignum", which means yoke.

      The ruler and the tributary - cannot be allies?
      They certainly can. Here is Khan Trump demanding that conquered Germany increase the tribute - "give 5% of GDP to the NATO budget". The submissive Germans are a little shaken, but going against the Khan of the American Horde is more expensive for themselves. They will pay. And this money will go to buying American weapons, which is pure pleasure for the Great Khan Donald.

      By the way, can the privileged class of warrior nobles and serf peasants (who can be bought and sold like cattle) be one people? Think about it at your leisure.
      1. +1
        9 August 2025 06: 19
        The suzerain-vassal system is the absolute norm for the Middle Ages. From this point of view, the whole of Western Europe can be declared to be under the yoke.
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  4. +12
    1 August 2025 04: 39
    Copying the actions of the USSR, based on a different, directly opposite ideological basis, and especially the fantasies of the Eurasian theory, will only harm this process.

    Especially the piecemeal one - let's go down there, live, work and love the Motherland like the Soviets, and we up here will be like the bourgeoisie, or even like the feudal ones, spit on the laws, we will milk you, and if you don't like it, we will replace you with dildos.
    1. +6
      1 August 2025 09: 35
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      ...... Especially the piecemeal one - let's live, work and love the Motherland like the Soviets down there, and we up here will be like the bourgeoisie, or even like the feudal ones, spit on the laws, we will milk you, and if you don't like it, we will replace you with dildos.

      This duplicity is clearly visible. For example, the millionaire construction worker deputy with the slogans PEACE LABOR MAY! and the desire to create labor camps for forced labor of the population. Otherwise --- Look! They don't want to work am am am
    2. 0
      9 August 2025 06: 17
      The right-wing political elite is always more solid in its justifications. Due to its progress. It is the left-wing intellectuals who need to invent something. And the right-wingers need to decide, agree, settle, supplement...
  5. +4
    1 August 2025 04: 46
    Take a closer look at how migrants, a wife and husband, walk on our streets from the villages of Central Asia and the Caucasus...and you will understand everything. smile
    If, of course, you know their standards of behavior and morals.
    Well I do not know... what How will this be affected by the digital concentration camp being built in Russia...the contours of which I see more and more in our lives.
  6. +1
    1 August 2025 05: 37
    The Eurasianism of that time was just a baby in diapers, compared to today's teenager who needs to be registered with a juvenile affairs inspector, but Russia itself drags this ill-mannered young impudent boy who dreams that he is already a criminal and Russia owes him, Russia itself drags him by the hand and leads him to all sorts of international organizations, starting from the DOKB and ending with all sorts of BRICS, EurAsEC, CIS, SCO, and as an equal with Russia and equivalent to Russia!
  7. +4
    1 August 2025 05: 38
    The works of L. Gumilev were based on the rejection of the Romano-Germanic civilization, alien to the Slavs, Finns and Turks, and contributed to the further development of Eurasianism, emphasizing the special cultural and historical identity of the Euro-Asian continent, in particular the country in which most of the readers of VO now live. The Scythian states, the Turkic Khaganate, Rus', the Great Steppe, the Mongol Empire, the Russian Empire, and then the USSR - this is the basis on which the destinies of the interacting peoples of Eurasia were realized over the course of centuries and millennia.

    And such a diversity of Eurasian landscapes had a beneficial effect on the ethnogenesis of the peoples inhabiting it. The Russians had forests, the nomadic peoples (Turks and Mongols) had steppes, and the Finno-Ugrians had forests and rivers, and the peoples of the North had tundra. And as someone (Gumilyov?) very aptly noted - Geography is destiny! And the Eurasians consider Russia a civilization, not just a country. By the way, Toynbee thought exactly the same...

    And Eurasianism has not died at all, it has its followers in the form of neo-Eurasianism - well known to everyone A. Dugin, arguing that Russia should play the role of a bridge between East and West and S. Glazyev, advocating for the development of the core of Eurasian integration - the EAEU, which will replace today's liberal era. Well, something like that...
    1. +6
      1 August 2025 07: 17
      I greet you!
      Not to argue, but for clarification.
      The EAEU, which will replace today's liberal era.

      Glazyev is a muddlehead both in economics and in politics, probably a positive person... but his inconsistency with the EAEU is obvious, that's why we have articles about criminal migration every day...
      Like Dugin, he will generally get lost in three pines and will create a theory for it.
      Why should we be a “bridge between East and West”, a “shield of Europe”, now a “bridge”?
      I think that this is the problem, we are not this, we are not this, we ARE A SELF-SUFFICIENT PERSON IN OURSELVES!
      Neither Ivan III, nor his grandson, nor Alexei Mikhailovich, nor Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Alexander I, etc. - - wanted to be "a bridge where merchants sit and sell all sorts of useful things to the peasants."
      This is a dream about a "bridge", MANILOVSHCHINA.
      We ourselves are Greatness - and we must always remember this!
      Best regards,
      hi
      1. +5
        1 August 2025 08: 35
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        I think that this is the problem, we are not this, we are not this, we ARE A SELF-SUFFICIENT PERSON IN OURSELVES!


        Seriously? But most of your colleagues think that "Russia is part of European civilization".
        A part cannot be self-sufficient a priori; it is too tied to the whole.
        By the way, if we are self-sufficient, then why not call such a self-sufficient culture-civilization Eurasian? After all, this emphasizes the self-sufficiency and dissimilarity, originality of Russians.
        After all, there are simply no other "Eurasian countries". The others are either European or Asian. That is, the definition of "Eurasianism" is a free term, unoccupied by anyone. What prevents us from occupying it and filling it with the meaning that we ourselves deem necessary? And looking back at Gumilev or Dugin is not at all necessary. What these "authorities" have done is just their IMHO and nothing more.
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          1 August 2025 10: 47
          Quote: Illanatol
          After all, no other "Eurasian countries" simply exist.
          Türkiye. A small piece of Thrace on the European coast
          1. +2
            1 August 2025 13: 45
            Türkiye is a purely Asian country, partially subjected to Westernization "from above". Moreover, the Turks are already beginning to feel burdened by the fruits of this Westernization and are ready to "return to the roots".
            It is located on the peninsula of "Asia Minor", which gave its name to the entire part of the world - "Asia".
            Turkey can only be called Eurasian purely geographically - after all, it is on the continent of "Eurasia".
            Well, the whole of Europe is just a part of the Eurasian continent.
        2. +3
          1 August 2025 12: 51
          Anatoly,
          It seems to me,
          that Russia is a European, but independent, civilization.
          Just like the Byzantine Empire once was.
          But everyone has their own approach.
          hi
          1. 0
            1 August 2025 13: 56
            No way. Either European or independent. "It's impossible to sit with the same butt on different trains."
            Strictly speaking, the Byzantine Empire could only be called a European civilization with a big stretch. And whether Europe existed as a single civilization at that time is a big question.
            And even now Europe is a certain civilizational set. There is German-Protestant Europe, there is Roman Catholic Europe, there is Eastern Europe (Slavic for the most part). These "Europes" are very diverse, although there are common features.
            But we are quite different even from the Poles and Slovaks. As for the other parts - not even close.
            What is European in us is only superficial and superficial. Well, yes, the elite part of culture (not very close to most), education... technology? Well, technology and other elements of the technosphere are cosmopolitan and can integrate into any culture.
            But for the intelligentsia (a purely Russian phenomenon, by the way) your point of view is quite acceptable and predictable. An intellectual is like a "Mowgli" in a wolf pack. A person with a European mentality among people with a different, distinct mentality.

            "I have been embraced by a foreign nation..." Admit it, you are familiar with this worldview, right?
            1. +2
              2 August 2025 02: 13
              Quote: Illanatol
              No way. Either European or independent.

              Is European civilization monolithic? We are now seeing a division between the US and Great Britain on one side and the German nations on the other. Trump openly demands that Denmark hand over Greenland to the US. Maybe there is a German, French, Spanish, Italian, Anglo-American civilization? And also a Slavic-Catholic and Slavic-Protestant one. Serbia is very hostile to Croatia. Bulgaria fought against Russia much more often in the 20th century than Türkiye.
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                2 August 2025 08: 14
                No. I wrote about it myself. As well as about the fact that we are noticeably different even from Eastern Europe.
                Military conflicts themselves are not a sign of civilizational division. Often, close people also conflict.

                "Man is brother to man." (Epitaph on Abel's grave).
        3. 0
          9 August 2025 06: 11
          Russia is the Orthodox part of European civilization. And this is a big difference. By the way, Europeans furiously cut each other, dividing into Lutherans and Catholics.
          1. 0
            9 August 2025 07: 55
            Controversial, controversial. We differ greatly even from the Eastern Slavs. They (the Poles, in particular), by the way, loved to call us "schismatics", that is, heretics. Including because our "Orthodoxy" is in fact a completely original hybrid of Byzantine Orthodox Christianity and the remnants of paganism.
            No, we are too unique, so strong integration with any part of Europe is impossible for us in principle. We were strangers to Europeans, we will remain strangers.
      2. 0
        1 August 2025 10: 07
        The article turned out to be some kind of agitprop.
        Eduard, I have a question for you. By what criteria did you determine that Eurasianism has collapsed? Or do you think that your article, which is quite chaotic, by the way, will deal a devastating blow to Eurasianism? Reality shows that the collapse is still far away. The Eurasian Development Bank (EDB) is thriving, and the director of the Center for Integration Studies of this bank, Doctor of Economics and Professor of the Russian Academy of Sciences Evgeny Yuryevich Vinokurov is successfully promoting his concept of pragmatic Eurasianism. And he has all the conditions for promotion - the Eurasian Association of Universities has 140 universities from 18 countries. And Vinokurov presents his concept much more reasonably than the author of the article presents his "collapse theory", those who wish can compare - https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/pragmaticheskoe-evraziystvo.
        1. +3
          1 August 2025 12: 48
          Good afternoon,
          I do not have the goal of bringing about the collapse of Eurasianism with a “confused” article.
          This is simply a statement of fact: Eurasianism is a simulacrum.
          The existence of a thriving Eurasian Development Bank does not change the situation in any way, as would, say, the existence of some kind of Super-Industrial Development Bank.
          The bank is thriving not because there is a Eurasian theory, but because it works well.
          I wrote that most countries use the situation to their advantage, but this can in no way be called integration. Let's compare it, for example, with the same CMEA in the situation with sanctions during the construction of the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline.
          By the way.
          And the fact that someone created, for example, the theory of “pragmatic bankruptcy” or “effective unemployment” does not in any way change the essence.
          The point is that whether Russia calls itself a pragmatic Asian, Eurasian, Martian country, or super-pragmatic, nothing changes.
          Best regards,
          hi
          1. 0
            1 August 2025 13: 09
            The point is that Russia will call itself

            Here we can agree - nothing will change if the country is called something, for example, self-sufficient. A striking example of the ideology of self-sufficiency - Juche. "Let us further embody the revolutionary spirit of independence, autonomy and self-defense in all areas of state activity" - this is from Kim Il Sung's speech in 1967. Didn't Dima Kostenko order this article for you?
            1. +4
              1 August 2025 14: 36
              Didn't Dima Kostenko order the article from you?

              I don't even know who this is?
              laughing
              hi
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                1 August 2025 21: 22
                I don't even know who this is?

                Head of the Russian Society for the Study of the Juche Idea.
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                  1 August 2025 21: 23
                  Got it. Thank.
                  good good good


                  short text
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                    1 August 2025 21: 27
                    No need to thank me. Contact me if anything happens.
                    1. +3
                      1 August 2025 21: 28
                      No need to thank me. Contact me if anything happens.

                      According to the Juche idea, it is imperative...
                      1. -1
                        1 August 2025 21: 32
                        As for the ideas of Juche - this is not for me. In Russia there is the Institute of Kimilsungism-Kimjonilism in St. Petersburg. It is better to go to them.
                2. +1
                  3 August 2025 18: 41
                  Quote: Nikname2025
                  Head of the Russian Society for the Study of the Juche Idea.

                  What a horror. We even have something like that.
          2. +4
            1 August 2025 13: 26
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            Whether it calls itself a pragmatic Asian, Eurasian, Martian country or a super-pragmatic one, nothing changes.

            Whatever you call it, whatever concepts you throw at it, but thoughts and words must be followed by action. If there is none, then these are just wishes/fantasies/desires and nothing more...
            To be called a "civilization" (no more, no less) is also quite a challenge. Civilization is, in my opinion, too serious (if we do not take the local concept: a society existing in specific time and space frames, then almost every state with a nationality living on its territory can be considered a "civilization"), and in a broad sense - it should be completely (maybe even phenomenally) different/distinct, it should be compared, taken into account, studied, followed (imitated) or opposed. Now, it seems, the line between the civilizations of the past has been erased. Everywhere the power of capital establishes rules alien to peoples, everything is reduced to the accumulation of candy wrappers from which a feeling of "superiority" is formed, progress has been reduced to technical "toys", and not to the progress of an individual, humanity... Even national-cultural identity is erased, constantly losing to imposed advertising narratives.
            1. +3
              1 August 2025 14: 32
              No matter what you call it, no matter what concepts you throw at it, but thought and word must be followed by action

              + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
          3. 0
            1 August 2025 14: 03
            From the name - really changes little. But a lot changes from the change of foreign economic and foreign policy guidelines.
            Russia has been too attached to the West in recent times, seeing it as a role model. It is time to reconsider all this, because the future will belong not to Europe and North America, but to the great powers of Asia and Africa (yes, Africa).
            For most of human history, the main trend of development was not set by Europe. Sumer, Akkad, Egypt and so on are not Europe. The short (on the scale of History) period of Western dominance is ending. And the West itself risks sharing the fate of the Etruscans and Celts. Why should we follow a route that leads to the abyss? It is time to change the route.
      3. +3
        1 August 2025 13: 20
        Quote: Edward Vashchenko
        We ourselves are Greatness - and we must always remember this!
        This is exactly what I was trying to convey, with the amendment that Russia is an independent civilization, and not at all European or Asian...
      4. +2
        1 August 2025 13: 55
        Yes, Eduard! I absolutely agree with you about the bridge. Because the bridge is just a tool, albeit a large one, and it belongs to someone and can be destroyed.
        But I don't understand, if we completely abandon the theory of Eurasianism, won't it be to the benefit of those who argue that everything beyond the Ural Mountains should be torn away from the Russian Federation, since it has captured and colonized it? The cries for the decolonization of Russia may intensify.
        What's interesting is that relatively recently, illiterate newcomers began to proudly declare that Allah created everything and therefore they have the right to live wherever they want. And in Russia... And to behave as they want. And you can't test them on their knowledge of the Russian language. Only Allah can. That is, work is underway. How can you counter this?
    2. +2
      1 August 2025 13: 05
      Quote: Luminman
      L. Gumilyov's works were based on the rejection of the Romano-Germanic civilization, which was alien to the Slavs, Finns and Turks........

      There are many strange things in L. Gumilyov for me. For example, he called Buddhism "anti-system", and in general had a very negative attitude towards it. In the book "Ethnogenesis and the Biosphere of the Earth" he is sharply against Buddhism. It is not clear.
      1. +2
        1 August 2025 13: 16
        Quote: Reptiloid
        For example, he called Buddhism an "anti-system"
        Frankly, I don’t remember this, I read it a long time ago, but he has a work dedicated to ancient Tibet, where he tries to analyze how Buddhism influenced the Tibetan Empire...
        1. +1
          1 August 2025 13: 21
          I haven't read anything like that.
          In the past, Tibet had an ancient religion --- Bon-po, a form of Zoroastrianism. It survives today in some places in Tibet. Bonpo shamans are credited with supernatural powers.
          1. +1
            1 August 2025 13: 26
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Tibet used to have an ancient religion
            I'm not very good at those things... wink
          2. 0
            1 August 2025 14: 09
            Bon-po is closer in spirit to the teachings of Mani (Manichaeism). In essence, it is a type of Satanism. And it was the priests of Bon-po (not the Buddhists) who were popular in Nazi Germany.
            1. 0
              1 August 2025 14: 17
              Now both religions coexist in Tibet. And the fact that the Nazis attracted someone is nothing. They attracted many things --- the Sun-turn, and the Runes, the ideas of Hinduism and others. And who wasn't branded as satinists! Even black cats were accused and executed. The Inquisition, the Holy One, tried. And beautiful women were also subjected to it. On this basis
      2. +1
        1 August 2025 22: 22
        I didn't get the impression that Gumilev evaluated anything as good or bad. He even described a chimera as a phenomenon leading to the death of an ethnic group, but without evaluating it. Like "it happens like that."
        In his works, he introduces the concept of the "old ethnic system" as a stable, conservative model of an ethnic group based on deeply rooted traditions, worldviews and spiritual practices. Buddhism, in his opinion, is the religion of precisely such an old ethnic system.

        Buddhism, being a religion with an ancient history and a strong traditional base, helps to preserve ethnic identity and cultural norms within an ethnic group. Gumilev noted that such religions support the stability of ethnic systems, preventing their rapid transformation or disintegration.

        An ethnos is a living organism closely connected with the natural environment. Buddhism preaches respect for nature and internal harmony, which contributes to the balanced interaction of an ethnos with the biosphere, characteristic of old ethnic systems.

        Unlike religions that encourage active conquest and territorial expansion (for example, some forms of monotheistic religions), Buddhism does not contain aggressive expansionism. This corresponds to the model of the old ethnic system, oriented toward preservation and internal development, rather than external expansion.

        Rituals and symbols as elements of ethnic memory
        Buddhism preserves a complex system of rituals, symbols and myths that serve as a mechanism for transmitting ethnic memory and values from generation to generation - an important aspect of the old ethnic system according to Gumilev.

        Buddhism is presented as a religion closely associated with stable, conservative ethnic structures, ensuring their harmonious existence in the Earth's biosphere and promoting the preservation of ethnic identity over a long period of time.
        Somewhere he had this idea that the Greeks religion is about life (there is little about Hades, it is boring and gray), in Christianity and Islam how to live so as not to suffer after death and wait for a new life, then Buddhism is not interested in today's life, certain death, and most importantly, projection into future incarnations. It came out clumsily, but the idea is clear, I hope.
  8. 0
    1 August 2025 07: 57
    The Collapse of Eurasianism


    I would like to understand what is meant by the definition "The Collapse of Eurasianism"
    ".
    It is hardly possible to understand the meaning and place of Russia, the USSR, or the Russian Empire in Eurasia based on the views of the Soviet period. In fact, it is only thanks to the discoveries of the last 40 years, primarily in the field of DNA, that humanity has been able to assess quite accurately the movement and areas of settlement of certain populations of people and nations.
    Only thanks to this tool can we understand why Russia occupies such a huge territory. Without analyzing the relationship of Russians with the Aryans and other related ancestral cultures, it is impossible to understand the essence of the "Eurasian" definition of Russia, especially if we are guided exclusively by the last millennium. Despite the fact that the Orthodox calendar is more than 7000 years old, most authors try to operate exclusively with the last millennium.
  9. +2
    1 August 2025 08: 10
    Good afternoon.
    Let's break the problem down into three main blocks:
    1. Ancient ancestors of the Slavs.
    2. Integration of early Slavic tribes into tribal unions under the control of the Scythians in the Black Sea region; in the Sarmatian world; during the time of the Western Turkic Khaganate; in the kingdom of the Goths; Great Bulgaria.
    3. Modern relations between Russia and the "emirates" that broke away from the USSR.

    If you are interested, I will comment in more detail or answer in a private message.
    1. +1
      1 August 2025 09: 53
      the biggest problem is that in history it is not accepted to consider that the Slavs had ancestors. they simply accepted the point of view that there was an empty land and then bam, out of nowhere, the Slavs appeared. and it doesn't matter that Sanskrit is almost the same language. the Jesuits didn't have a book where it is written that the Slavs existed, which means the Slavs didn't exist. and then, apparently, the reptilians brought them from Nibiru.
      1. 0
        2 August 2025 07: 44
        Thank you for your reply. For many years I have been holding discussions with both Russian historians and European pan-Slavists. The general aggressive reaction has long been the same:
        1. The Slavs had no ancient ancestors
        2. The Slavs spontaneously emerged in the territory of forests and swamps in the fifth century, and aggressively set out to destroy the highly developed Byzantium along with the Avars.
        6. There were no Macedonians, they were Greeks, but different.
        7. There are no written records of the languages of the Thracians, Illyrians and Macedonians (everything burned in the Alexandrian Library), so they are not the ancestors of the Slavs.
        8. After the conquest of the Dacians, Illyrians and Thracians, some of them switched completely to Latin, others to Greek.
        (Nonsense, the Essenes, the peoples of India, the Iranians, the Chinese, the aborigines of Australia did not forget their languages, but the Thracians and Illyrians forgot, and instantly, without schools and newspapers, instantly switched to Latin to the north and to Greek to the south. In science, this was called "rapid Romanization")
  10. +1
    1 August 2025 08: 13
    It is not entirely clear what the petty-bourgeois White Guard environment is, and it is not clear why this environment needed a new ideology - Eurasianism, as a historical and cultural-political movement (according to the author of the article)
    All supporters of Eurasianism are Gnostics, pagans and postmodernists + the National Bolsheviks who joined them (!), and they are also in Eurasianism.
    In short, intellectuals are muddying the waters.
  11. 0
    1 August 2025 09: 07
    In the context of confrontation with the West, Eurasianism is a common slogan.
    Moreover, the slogan is completely within the framework of the notorious “realpolitik”, even taking into account the fact that it is sometimes voiced by freaks.
    1. 0
      9 August 2025 06: 09
      I remembered Peter the Great, who is considered a Westerner, but who actually said, “We need to learn a lot from Europe, and then turn away from it.”
  12. -2
    1 August 2025 09: 10
    The first fundamental question of the origin of the Slavs is the ancient period.
    Studying the history of Slavic languages, I came to the conclusion that the Slavs are the Macedonians, Gauls, Thracians, and Illyrians who were driven out of their habitats. They were driven out by the legions of Rome, and the maximum resistance occurred during the wars of Mithridates Eupator. While in exile, these tribes identified themselves by the similarity of their dialects and a single word. Hence the self-name "Slovenes". These are plowmen driven out of their habitats into the forests. Having lived in the territories previously occupied by the Vandals and Goths, they partly returned to the Balkans, and partly went to settle in the forest zone, mastering slash-and-burn agriculture.

    There was no single ancient Slavic people.

    For a people to emerge, a certain tribe, united by a common economic structure, religion, customs, and blood relationship, must find itself in a “place of multiplication,” where, due to the abundance of food, its numbers will begin to grow exponentially.


    There are only three such places in Northern Eurasia:

    - Mongolian steppes - nomadic livestock farming, excess protein, severe deficit of carbohydrates. Upon reaching the maximum possible number, the formed people move towards sources of carbohydrates - grain food.
    The homeland of the Turks, Mongols, and related tribes.

    - The Fertile Crescent and its extension to the Balkans and Southern Europe. Abundance of grain, relative deficiency of protein. When the maximum population ceiling is reached, peoples go to seize the arable lands of their neighbors.
    Homeland of the Iranian and southern European peoples.

    - Danish peninsula. Excess of protein - whales, dolphins, fish. Sharp deficit of carbohydrates. Upon reaching the population ceiling, the formed nations move towards the centers of grain production along the river beds. Homeland of the Gauls and Germans.

    The Slavs do not fit into the concept of originating in the "center of animation".
    The tribes historically called Slavs appeared in the "forest zone of famine" - these were tribes of plowmen expelled from their fields by the Romans. They "prowled the mountains and forests" somewhere in the Carpathian region, or hid in the reeds along the Danube, where they were caught by nomads who planted them in their fields in the Northern Black Sea region.

    Some of the exiles retreated to the territory of Asia Minor.
    As early as the first century BC, the ancestors of the Slavs lived in the territory of modern France, Italy, Austria, the Balkans, and Asia Minor.
    The migration of the ancestors of the Slavs to Asia Minor began after the conquests of Alexander the Great, when the opportunity to populate the liberated lands opened up for them. In addition to the Macedonians, the Gauls/Celts migrated there, founding the state of Galatia on the territory of present-day Turkey, where the city of Ankara now stands.

    The migration continued later, but not as a conquest, but as a flight, expulsion from their inhabited places by the legions of Rome. The plowmen had no chance to resist the Roman army. It was enough for the Romans to prevent them from harvesting for several years in a row, and the fate of Gaul was decided. The same fate befell the Italians of non-Latin origin, the Dacians, the Wends. By the way, part of Gaul was on the Italian side of the Alps, in the north of the Apennine Peninsula, and nature itself destined them to go east.

    The peoples of the common word/language, squeezed out by the Romans, accumulated in Asia Minor.
    During the era of the wars of Mithridates Eupator, the final division of peoples took place. People of the Greek language became loyal to Rome, and they were left on the territory of the empire, incorporated into its people. The empire became Greco-Roman. And the peoples of the single word remained in the army of Mithridates Eupator to the last, retreating with him to the Crimea, to the Bosphorus Kingdom.

    The Gauls and Dacians were gathered there until the death of Mithridates. But the Greek population of the Bosporan Kingdom made a deal with the Romans, betraying Mithridates.
    Gaul Bitoit (Vitoit, Vitovt?) fulfilled Mithridates' request to kill him. There were no major battles, or small ones, after that in Crimea. However, the Gauls and Dacians, the descendants of the Macedonians, disappeared from European history after that.
    And 400 years later, “out of nowhere,” numerous, brave, combat-ready tribes of Slavic grain-growers appeared, who knew the way to the Greco-Roman Empire very well.
  13. 0
    1 August 2025 10: 57
    First, a little about spelling. I know that in modern Russia they are "flexible" about spelling, but the spelling "bolshevitsky" is jarring. According to the rules of the Russian language, the correct spelling is "bolshevistsky".

    Now about "civilizations" and "civilizational ideologies". There is one species of intelligent beings on planet Earth - "Homo sapiens" and it is he who created civilization, that is, organized society. There is no other intelligent species on Earth, and accordingly there is no other civilization. All sorts of "European", "Asian" and other regional varieties of the term "civilization" are the result of a distorted understanding of this term. This distortion arises from a class-motivated (politically) desire to move away from the ideas of Marxism. This desire arose in a specific socio-economic class - the capitalist bourgeoisie, which seeks a socio-philosophical justification for its economic and political dominance. And the economic interests of the capitalist bourgeoisie require precisely the division of civilization, that is, organized human community, into various groups united according to some criteria around some centers. This is how “civilization theories” appeared - to disperse people into different blocks of countries and territories to mobilize resources in order to protect the interests of large capitalists.
    The interests of the class of hired workers, on the contrary, require the unity of humanity in joint free labor for the development of civilization.
    1. +5
      1 August 2025 13: 19
      Yuri, if following the spelling can be welcomed, then categorically narrowing the meaning of "rich" according to the meaning of terms is not constructive.
      The term "civilization" has many interpretations across disciplines and cultural contexts.
      Historical and cultural approach
      Civilization is considered as a complex of achievements of a certain society or group of societies, including a developed urban culture, writing, complex social institutions, technologies and art. For example, the ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Indus civilizations.

      Anthropological approach
      In anthropology, civilization is often contrasted with "savagery" or "primitiveness" and is defined by the level of social organization, the presence of a state, writing, a developed economy, and technology. This approach is sometimes criticized for ethnocentrism.

      Technical and technological aspect
      Civilization is a level of development of technology and material culture that allows for the creation of complex structures, transport, production and communications.

      Socio-political approach
      Civilization is understood as an organized society with established laws, a system of governance, social stratification and institutions of power.

      Cultural and philosophical approach
      Civilization is a set of spiritual values, norms, traditions, religion, ethics and art that form the unique cultural identity of a society.

      Global or universalistic approach
      Sometimes civilization is interpreted as a general state of human society as a whole, characterized by progress, urbanization and the development of science.

      Critical and postcolonial interpretations
      In these approaches, the concept of civilization is seen as an instrument of ideological dominance, a justification for colonialism and the cultural superiority of some peoples over others.


      The term "civilization" has many meanings and depends on the context. It can denote specific historical societies with developed culture and statehood, the level of technological and social development, and also serve as a subject of criticism in connection with issues of cultural superiority and colonialism.
      1. -1
        1 August 2025 19: 13
        The "approach" that the author uses, and which is now in fashion among "experts", means exactly what I described: an attempt to ideologically move away from Marxist political economy and the theory of class struggle. In other words, the bourgeois ideology of solidarism in its purest form.
        1. 0
          1 August 2025 22: 42
          I didn't quite understand your idea, but I don't see anything surprising in the fact that the conditions for applying "Marxist political economy and the theory of class struggle" have changed in 150 years. The world is different, the influence of previous factors has weakened, new tendencies have emerged. Another dialectical turn of knowledge - phenomenology, analysis, synthesis.
    2. +1
      1 August 2025 14: 04
      It is clear that the author of this text does not understand what civilization is.
  14. 0
    1 August 2025 11: 01
    If the agricultural society had become structurally a nomadic society, and every farmer had become a warrior-rider, then we could talk about "Asian (!) path of developmentя
    Asia is not only nomads, but also the ancient civilization of China and others, during whose times Europeans still jumped on trees.

    The empire acted as a colonizer.
    Russia had no colonies - see the definition of "colony"
    the ethnic outskirts were held together solely by the knowledge that the white tsar had military power, and with the disappearance of the feudal monarchy in 1917 there was nothing to hold them together in a single space
    ...
    the authorities before the VORs turned them into Russia, intensively settling them redundant Russian population.. The Bolsheviks, on the contrary, turned the outskirts into antiRussia, turning Russians there into hostages of local Nazis, sending them from dying out already Russia
    In the Soviet period, first of all, it is necessary to talk about “pulling up” the peoples and ethnic groups of the former Russian Empire to the level of indigenous Russia

    In the VOR period it is necessary to talk about the lowering and plundering of the native Russia to the level of the outskirts - let us remember that in the Smolensk region electricity was brought to many villages in....1970 g
    1. +3
      1 August 2025 14: 02
      Quote: Olgovich
      it is necessary to talk about the lowering and plundering of the native Russia to the level of the outskirts - let us remember that in the Smolensk region electricity was installed in many villages in... 1970

      My wife is from the old Russian town of Lezhnev, which is in the Ivanovo region - the heart of Russia.
      The town was founded in 1230.
      Well, the running water in her house appeared in 2010, but street lighting is a thing of the past.
    2. 0
      9 August 2025 06: 07
      about the lowering and plundering of the native Russia to the level of the outskirts - let's remember that in the Smolensk region electricity was installed in many villages in... 1970

      Well, and now the indigenous Pskov region is poor compared to some non-Russian autonomous regions. Is this also done by the Bolsheviks?
      turned the outskirts into anti-Russia, turning Russians there into hostages of local Nazis
      Amazing. And how did all the outskirts speak Russian under the Bolsheviks, serve in the army, unlike during WWI, and the Bolsheviks removed the burqa from outskirts women back in the 1930s?
      1. 0
        9 August 2025 12: 12
        Quote: Redoubt
        Do the Bolsheviks do this too?

        Yes, that's what they did: the union republics were a priority, then the autonomous regions of Russia, then southern Russia, then the North and the rest.
        Quote: Redoubt
        And how did all the outskirts speak Russian under the Bolsheviks, serve in the army, unlike during WWI, and the Bolsheviks removed the burqa from outskirts women back in the 1930s?

        And they served in WWI and spoke Russian, except for those who had just become part of Russia. And NO ONE from Russia's citizens fought against Russia in WWI, but 1 million USSR CITIZENS fought against the USSR - divisions, armies, brigades of whoever you want.
        1. 0
          6 September 2025 04: 28
          How cleverly you called the Pskov region an autonomy...
          They also served in WWI and spoke Russian, except for those who had just become part of Russia.

          You are distorting things. You are well aware of the imperial conscription order, according to which foreigners were not taken into the army. You probably also remember the 1916 uprising in Central Asia.
          And NO ONE from among the citizens of Russia fought against Russia in WWI, but 1 million CITIZENS of the USSR fought against the USSR - divisions, armies, brigades of anyone you want.

          What a strange logic you have, you call the Bolsheviks traitors who destroyed the country and you assure that "none of its citizens fought against tsarist Russia". So decide, are they traitors or did they not fight?
          The USSR did not collapse in the world war. The Russian Empire collapsed. A million citizens who fought against the enemy included Banderites, forest brothers, prisoners who went over to the enemy under threat of death. With all this, their number is insignificant compared to those who fought for the USSR. No more than two or three percent. Just as many as were repressed.
  15. -1
    1 August 2025 11: 52
    After the Mongol invasion, external authority was established over the “sovereign” lands of Rus'

    These mythical Mongols are really annoying. Is there any evidence of their presence?
    And so it’s a good article for the President.
    1. 0
      9 August 2025 06: 03
      Of course there is. For example, Buddhism on the Volga among the Kalmyks.
      As is usually the case, the modern Republic of Mongolia is mistakenly associated with ancient Mongolia. But even now, in addition to Mongolia proper, there is Inner Mongolia and the Mongolian prefectures of Xinjiang, where the Kalmyks live, and the prefectures of Gansu, where the Mongolian-speaking Sarts live, Buryatia and the former territories of Dzungaria, in particular, the Semipalatinsk region and the Altai region.
      The Chinggisid dynasty also ruled Russia. The last people to come from the steppes to Rus' were the Kalmyks.
  16. +3
    1 August 2025 12: 16
    Today it is obvious that Eurasianism is a completely unworkable and, one might even say, harmful theory for the foreign policy of our country.

    In my opinion, the author simply does not understand the essence of Eurasianism. Eurasianism is not the state structure of Rus, Russia, or the USSR.
    Eurasianism is an ideological and worldview direction of development of social thought of a part of the Russian elite, which explains the symbiosis of the unity of the steppe and agricultural civilizations, European and Asian cultures among the population of Rus and Russia and the need for its further preservation and development. This is due, in their opinion, to the unique landscape and climate space, a special ethnocultural area, and the dominant role of Orthodoxy.
    Instead of examining the main provisions of the Eurasian concept of Russia or criticizing them, the author engages in delirious discussions about the possibility of an agricultural society becoming nomadic and following the Asian path, which can only cause laughter.
    "If the agricultural society had become structurally a nomadic society, and every farmer had become a warrior-rider, then we could talk about the "Asian (!) path of development."
    Where did Comrade Vaschenko see or know such examples? There are none and there cannot be.
    What is the Asian path of development? Again, not a word.
    Give a definition and then reason.
    It is clear from the text that the author considers nomadism to be the Asian way. But this is nonsense.
    There were no nomadic states and there are none. But there are plenty of states formed by nomads. This is a one-way street. There is no way back.
    He then tries to reason about the alternatives to such state development.
    "The only alternative to this path could be a complete copying of the structure of a nomadic society, which we do not observe in Rus'."
    Yes, we do not see what does not happen and cannot happen.

    "It should be noted that, contrary to the stable historiographic tradition, which was especially actively promoted at the beginning of the 21st century, Rus and Russia developed primarily as a Russian state."
    The Russian state is Eurasian.
    1. +2
      1 August 2025 13: 04
      Good afternoon,
      symbiosis of the unity of steppe and agricultural civilizations

      the point is that symbiosis never existed.
      It could just as easily be said that during the period when Genghis Khan was conquering Central Asia, in Southeast Asia there was a symbiosis of the Mongols and the Xi Xia Empire, or during the period when the Jin Empire was being finished off, there was a symbiosis of the Mongols and the Southern Sun Empire.
      Or the Yuan Empire is a symbiosis of the steppe and agricultural China. laughing
      Or the Manchus created a symbiosis of nomads and Chinese in the 17th century.
      laughing
      1. +2
        1 August 2025 13: 53
        Symbiosis of civilizations is not through the conquest of one state by another, but through the interpenetration and mutual influence of two different cultures - steppe and agricultural. Russian civilization was formed on the basis of this symbiosis, which did not happen in Western Europe and this is what distinguishes Russia from it.
        This interpenetration and mutual influence occurs in border territories and then, to one degree or another, spreads into the spiritual and moral life of the entire people.
        If Russian princes successfully married steppe beauties, then there is reason to believe that the same thing happened with the common people. Women, raising children, inevitably brought the culture of their people, its spiritual and moral values, which, of course, were transformed to a certain extent, but did not disappear anywhere.
        These processes are the basis for understanding the essence of Eurasianism, and not all this stuff of yours connected with wars. Farmers never conquer nomads, and nomads never conquer farmers. They coexist in peace and war with each other.
      2. +2
        1 August 2025 14: 18
        And why can't the nomadic, cattle-breeding way of life coexist harmoniously with the agricultural way of life? In my opinion, they complement each other perfectly.
        By the way, were our ancestors only farmers? Are you sure about that? What prevented them from breeding cattle? It is known that the Russo-Slavs successfully crossed domestic cattle with wild species, obtaining good hybrids. Cows with bison, domestic horses with tarpans.
        And weren't there such mixtures of ways of life among the Turks, for example? Or among the Scythians? The latter were cattle breeders, but they were also artisans and traded grain.
        So, I don’t see anything impossible.
        1. +1
          1 August 2025 19: 40
          Why can't the nomadic, pastoral way of life coexist harmoniously with the agricultural way of life?
          Perhaps, in stable climatic conditions, a balance of forces is established. But the climate is constantly changing, with aridization, farmers fall into decline and nomads come to the dried-up fields of hungry farmers.
          When it gets wet, nomads suffer, snow is death for nomads, if not snow, farmers simply multiply greatly, agriculture is much more productive and drives nomads into the driest conditions.
          Farmers almost always engage in cattle breeding, but unlike nomads, they prepare food and feed the cattle or feed them at all.
          Before the Mongols came galloping to Rus', Mongolia came there, the fields are burning, the forests are burning, there is nothing to eat, everyone is cutting each other down, shrinking, and then there are the Mongols, and they like this kind of weather, they have no equal in this kind of landscape.
        2. 0
          9 August 2025 05: 57
          nomadic, pastoral way of life cannot coexist harmoniously with agricultural way of life? In my opinion, they complement each other perfectly.

          Medieval Hungary is such an example. The Hungarians even had one Polovtsian king. And Hungary flourished in the Middle Ages. Only the century-long clash with the Ottomans prevented it from developing further.
      3. 0
        3 August 2025 18: 52
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        Or the Manchus created a symbiosis of nomads and Chinese in the 17th century.

        The entire colonial era is made up of various types of symbiosis. laughing
        1. +1
          3 August 2025 19: 58
          The entire colonial era was the subordination of some ethnic groups or states to others.
          What kind of symbiosis is there in the Russian Empire with the Kazakh dzhuzes? Maybe they were applied to the system of customs throughout the empire?
          Or maybe the customs and orders of the Turkmens or Bashkirs were determined for the entire empire?
          What kind of symbiosis of the Russian Empire with the conquered lands of Transcaucasia, perhaps the order of the Azerbaijani Tatars (as they said then) or Armenian peasants was spread throughout the empire?
          Was it recorded in the code of laws of the Russian Empire?
          Somewhere in the Russian Truth, a collection of customary law, is there a procedure for resolving interactions like the Polovtsians or the Khazars?
          Or maybe this symbiosis was reflected in the Code of Laws of Ivan III?
          In the Pskov Judicial Charter?
          At least in one article?
          In the Cathedral Code of 1649, was there a place for “symbiosis” with the Kalmyks?
          hi
      4. 0
        9 August 2025 05: 59
        So conquest is not symbiosis.
  17. +2
    1 August 2025 13: 07
    And what did the author want to say? The author actually tries very hard to prove that we are not Asians, but what does Eurasianism have to do with it? And the assertion that Christianity is a European religion does not correspond to reality.
    1. 0
      2 August 2025 07: 57
      For the author of this opus, Asia and Asianism are the former Central Asian republics of the USSR, which he calls "Eastern countries". He says that if they left, then the entire theory of Eurasianism failed and turned out to be untenable. There is nothing to be confused about, he asserts:
      "Today it is obvious that Eurasianism is a completely unworkable and, one might even say, harmful theory for the foreign policy of our country."
      The point is that this message only confirms his misunderstanding of the essence of Eurasianism as a justification for the right to exist as Russian, the unique identity of the Russian people, which was formed not only in the interaction and interpenetration of agricultural and nomadic cultures of the population, but also in interaction with the Asian peoples of Siberia and the Far East. And this is the largest part of the territory of Russia. Comrade Vashchenko completely missed this side of Eurasianism.
      1. 0
        9 August 2025 05: 53
        Siberia is the north, not the east
  18. +4
    1 August 2025 13: 40
    Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
    "The "inexpensive tribute" lay as a heavy burden on the Russians, who did not particularly know about tribute before the Mongols, and mostly took it themselves.


    Fairy tales, however. Remind me why the Slavic Drevlians of Prince Igor... a little bit, sequestered?
    Any state cannot exist without taxes, duties, as they used to say back then.
    The princes (not only the descendants of Rurik, by the way) took taxes (if you like, tribute), and later the Horde began to take them too.
    Yes, the Horde took 10% of the income. But in return, it provided military protection from external enemies. Which the Russian princes themselves could not always cope with, for quite objective reasons (low surplus product, small number of troops and endless civil strife in the vast expanses, poor logistics and the absence of natural protection in the form of turbulent rivers and high mountains).
    The Horde fought more than once in the same ranks with the Russians, the Slavs, if you like. They seem to have distinguished themselves at Lake Peipus and even at Grunwald.
    For me, there is no doubt that if it were not for the Horde "roof", our neighbors (mainly Western ones) would have torn apart the then Rus', which was fragmented like a dog a hot water bottle. And it is very indicative to compare the fate of the southern Russian lands that left the notorious "yoke" (thanks to the Lithuanians and Poles) with the fate of those Russian lands that remained with the Horde and Moscow. The former turned into a backwater, a preserve of the serf spirit, the latter became a great power.
    1. 0
      1 August 2025 17: 00
      Quote: Illanatol
      if it weren't for the Horde "roof", our neighbors (mainly Western ones) would have torn apart the then Rus', which was fragmented like a dog and a hot water bottle
      I am ready to sign under every word you say...
    2. 0
      9 August 2025 05: 44
      The Horde took 10% of the income. But in return, it provided military protection from external enemies.

      Tithes are a lot. Only the Church received that.
      The Horde provided military protection only at the last moment, for its own interests. You can remember how many attacks there were from the West during the Horde's time.
      for entirely objective reasons (low surplus product, small number of squads

      Well, you see where this tithe could come in handy.
      The Horde fought more than once in the same ranks with the Russians, the Slavs, if you like. They seem to have distinguished themselves at Lake Peipus and even at Grunwald.
      Is there a guarantee that the Horde mercenaries were not paid separately?
      if it were not for the Horde "roof", our neighbors (mainly Western) would have torn apart the then Rus', which was fragmented like a dog and a hot water bottle. And it is very indicative to compare the fate of the southern Russian lands

      So it means they broke up after all, since southern and western Rus' broke away?
      turned into a backwater,

      They became a backwater due to trade logistics. Trade along the Dnieper became local after the crisis in Byzantium and the occupation of the Baltics by the knights.
      Yes, the Horde took 10% of the income. But in return, it provided military protection from external enemies.

      At the same time, all trade in the Horde was in the hands of Muslims. At the same time, the Horde also raked in military contingents from Rus' for its own needs. And most importantly, it traded in slaves, and this is a loss from cultivated lands.
  19. 0
    1 August 2025 15: 46
    The author distorts our history. Ivan the Terrible perfectly recognized the primacy of the Chingizid Horde, which is why he yielded the throne to a Chingizid:
    In 1575, Tsar Ivan the Terrible made an amazing move that astounded all the courtiers and foreign diplomats. He renounced the Grand Duke's throne and took the name Ivan of Moscow, moved out of the royal chambers, and elevated the Kasimov prince, Khan Sain-Bulat, to the throne. The Kasimov prince was a descendant of Khan Akhmat, the same one who tried to capture Moscow, but stopped at the Ugra River. The prince's father, Bek-Bulat, was a direct descendant of Genghis Khan - in the middle of the XNUMXth century, he swore allegiance to Ivan the Terrible, going into Russian service. Here he married Altynchach, the sister of the second wife of the Moscow sovereign, Maria Temrikovna.

    Source: Why Ivan the Terrible handed over power to a descendant of Genghis Khan in 1575 - Russian Seven
    Our ancestors came from Siberia, as did many Europeans. Therefore, the Eurasians are historically right.

    © Russian Seven russian7.ru
    1. +1
      2 August 2025 08: 25
      Quote: Ross
      The author distorts our history. Ivan the Terrible perfectly recognized the primacy of the Chingizid Horde, which is why he yielded the throne to a Chingizid:


      No, it was exactly the opposite. By giving the throne to the "Tatar prince", Ivan emphasized the subordinate position of the Tatars in his state. Because Ivan gave away power over the "zemshchina", and left himself power over the oprichnina, which was a privileged part of the state.
      Previously, the Russians ruled the "zemshchina", that is, the civil, rear part, and the Horde, in essence, was the then "oprichnina", played the functions of the highest military class. The rear and the front of a two-faced sphinx-state, albeit not yet completely united.
      Later, a similar position will be occupied by the Cossacks, in a sense - direct descendants of the Horde. The word "Cossack" itself is of Tatar origin. And the Cossacks from earlier times will retain a certain arrogance and disdain towards the "peasants". And some Cossack atamans-leaders will show a desire to create some kind of autonomous "Cossack state", and in very recent times (Kaledin, Semenov).
    2. 0
      9 August 2025 05: 51
      Ivan the Terrible placed Simeon Bekbulatovich on the throne in order to show that the throne of Moscow was also the throne of the Genghisids. In this way, the loyalty of the Horde lands that had entered Rus' was ensured. In the eyes of the Horde nobility and the Horde population, the throne of Moscow became the throne of the Horde.
      At the same time, Ivan the Terrible also ran for election in Poland, where the Moscow Tsar could not be a candidate.
  20. 0
    1 August 2025 20: 58
    In short, Eurasianism is an old version of Central Europeanism, just as ridiculous and unviable.
  21. 0
    2 August 2025 08: 06
    Now about the connection between plowmen and cattle breeders.
    Let's first figure out how plowmen appeared in the steppe.
    1. The tradition of tillage is very conservative, it is impossible to impose it by force. In Europe, tillage was a continuation of the "Fertile Crescent", through Asia Minor and the Balkans to Italy, and further to the territory of today's France and Spain.
    The basis of the ancient economy was agriculture, but there was also pig and sheep breeding. It was due to pig and sheep breeding that the plowmen expelled by Rome survived in the mountain and forest zone.
    The Scythians and Sarmatians were nomads with an appropriative type of economy; they did not plow themselves, but protected the plowmen.
    Both the Scythians and the Sarmatians viewed the plowmen as a source of profit, as well as fords and crossings where they could collect tribute from merchants.
    Scythian gold is the gold of the Greeks, which they received for trading grain. And there the Scythians are shown with photographic accuracy, but there is no agricultural symbolism there.
    Therefore, the steppe civilization of the Black Sea region had centuries-old traditions of coexistence with the plowmen, but on the basis of protection, which is well known to us from the 90s.
    Yes, the issues of who exactly collects taxes were resolved, but there was no fundamental idea of eradicating the plowmen.
    The exception was Attila and the Avars at the initial stage, but then they too understood the profitability of breeding a subordinate arable people.
    2. Forest nomads, the Drevlyans. What remains of them now are the Laplander tribes. They were European Indians, to put it simply.
    As slash-and-burn agriculture developed, some of them gradually mixed with the Slavs (Polyans, Poles from the word palit, pal, glade, pole), and moved from the darkness of the forest to Rus (from the word rus also rusy, svetly). Thus, the Slavs were enriched with the skills of life in the forest, and the Drevlyans moved to a settled way of life.
    3. The Vyatichi tribes with their cult of the cow, the nomads of the forest-steppe with Aryan traditions, cattle breeders (but not sheep breeders) also gradually mixed with the Polyans, enriching Rus' with the tradition of dairy farming.
    1. 0
      9 August 2025 05: 52
      Throughout its history, Rus' has strived to reach the Black Earth Region from the Forest.
      1. 0
        9 August 2025 12: 52
        Throughout its history, Rus' has strived to reach the Black Earth Region from the Forest.

        But first I reached Ladoga.
        Svyatoslav defeated the Khazars in alliance with Byzantium, but after that the Pechenegs took complete control of the steppe.
        After this, it was possible to “drink the Don with a helmet” under Dmitry Donskoy (which is doubtful), but in reality it was under Ivan the Terrible.
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          6 September 2025 04: 20
          The Slavs were originally in Ladoga. In Ladoga there was an alliance with the Varangians who showed that they could pass through the Khazar possessions.
  22. 0
    2 August 2025 08: 30
    Relations between the early Slavic state and the Sarmatians.
    As soon as the plowmen create their state with a strong infantry (the tradition of horse combat is also very conservative, and also very difficult to pass on), the princes begin recruiting Sarmatians into their squad.
    Thus, gradually, some mixing of traditions occurs, although until recently, the Cossacks considered themselves a separate part of the Russians.
    The strong state of farmers thus begins to gradually assimilate the nomads with their appropriative type of economy.
    Thus, the Sarmatians entered the elite of Poland and Rus', and other families of conquered nomads often became part of the Russian elite, such as the Akhmatov and Yusupov families.

    But the separation of the modern "emirates" from Russia (USSR) instantly returned the situation to the norm of an appropriative economy. The former nomads immediately recognized themselves as the masters of the former ploughmen.
    And, in fact, it is on this basis that they build their relations with today’s Russia.
  23. 0
    2 August 2025 08: 49
    Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
    Well, let's say that the Great Socialist October Revolution, in October 1917, was also called an uprising.


    At that time it could have been called both an uprising and a coup. But then, taking into account the consequences of such a regime change in all spheres of public life, the most correct definition became precisely "Revolution".
    The seizure of power is only a means and a prerequisite for the implementation of socio-economic transformations.
  24. 0
    9 August 2025 05: 31
    Russia is neither east nor west. Russia is north.
  25. -1
    25 August 2025 09: 14
    Neighboring countries are actively using the current difficult foreign policy and logistics (finances and goods) situation of Russia to their advantage. Thus, of course, helping our country.
    And actively conquering it from within
  26. 0
    31 August 2025 14: 56
    I know only one thing - Russia is not on the same path with Asia. Everyone must go their own way. And there was no "natural" movement to the south (what does the author mean by this term? What natural force drove the army to the khanates?). The annexation of Asia was a mistake that we are trying to correct even now, and quite unsuccessfully.
    1. 0
      6 September 2025 04: 30
      Then the British or Americans would be in Asia. And Russia would have much greater expenses and losses.
      1. 0
        9 September 2025 16: 02
        How were the calculations made? And is only mathematics appropriate here, given the real historical catastrophe for Russia with the occupation?
  27. +1
    20 November 2025 00: 32
    This person clearly doesn't understand what they're talking about. Not even the term itself. Eurasianism doesn't equal Asianism. Russia is a distinct civilization, one that has absorbed both European and Asian influences. At least in terms of geography. And the fact that Eurasianist ideologists look primarily to the East is a tribute to Europe, which for centuries tried to destroy Rus'—Russia. Beginning with the Crusades against the "schismatics" and ending with World War II and NATO.