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The hero of demand. What makes Dagestan call

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April 1 launched the spring call. One of its features is the full resumption of recruitment to the service of recruits from the North Caucasus, primarily from Dagestan. According to the order sent down by the Main Organizational-Mobilization Directorate (GOMU) of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces to the republican military registration and enlistment office, in the spring of the current year it is planned to call about four thousand Dagestanis to the security forces of the Russian Federation.


The reason for the freezing of recruitment to the army conscripts from solar Dagestan was a series of ugly cases - a manifestation of the so-called non-statutory relations. Thanks to the media, this topic has been particularly popular in the media space for some time, stirring up interest in an already problematic region. Call Dagestanis started again. Are commanders and future co-workers ready to receive such replenishment?

Ideological failure

A high military spirit is not created by itself, out of nothing, only by issuing an order from the commander of the unit. It is formed in the process of upbringing, maturing of a person, is based on traditions and is closely connected with the national and religious self-consciousness of a warrior. Compiled with the rich heritage and experience of the Russian (Soviet) army to the Dictionary of the spiritual qualities of the Russian army, prepared by the independent All-Russian Scientific Center “Fatherland and Warrior” at the Military University of Moscow Region, the following definition of the military spirit is given: “Internal state, essence, true meaning and character of the armed forces as organizations of people, a union of mind (consciousness), heart (morality) and will (energy) ”. A military spirit manifests itself, according to one of the prominent domestic specialists in the field of military psychology, a participant in the Russian-Japanese war, commander of a separate corps during the First World War, professor of the Academy of the General Staff, General Peter Izmestyev, “in independent actions and initiatives”.

Thus, one of the manifestations of the high morale of a warrior is his conscious readiness for independent action, the desire for reasonable initiative. Unfortunately, this ideology is hardly combined with the current realities of our army. In it, contrary to the requirements of the charter, every soldier very soon becomes convinced of the opposite - the initiative is punishable.

The lack of initiative turned out to be one of the pillars of well-being and even career growth in the Russian Armed Forces. After the disgraceful death of the Soviet army and the ensuing many years of excommunication of its remnants from regular combat training, after personnel "cleansing", when the officers who had combat experience and had their own opinion were primarily dismissed, the spirit in the modern army is largely lost.

To the credit of the current leadership of the Defense Ministry, measures in this area of ​​military construction are being taken and bored - today's soldiers will probably not be discouraged. But in addition to the multiple increase in hours for combat training, activation of other activities that increase the combat readiness and morale of the troops, the army leadership needs to pay attention to the “internal state, essence, true meaning and character of the armed force,” that is, to a man in uniform.

With what baggage of knowledge, stereotypes, norms and rules of behavior will today's army come to the army? In the presence of money and commander's will, it is much easier and faster to raise combat skills than combat spirit. The morale of the draft contingent and the entire Russian nation leaves much to be desired. According to Evgeny Burdinsky, Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, almost 250, thousands of draft-age citizens (the majority of whom are Russian), in 2012, declined from military service. And those who wish to serve from among the natives of Dagestan - more than enough. With both hands for military service and the parents of the Caucasian recruits. There is a failure of the entire ideological campaign to form high morale and military-patriotic education among the Russian pre-conscription youth. Although by and large this task was not closely followed by anyone.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

How is Shamil better than Chapaev?

Starting positions to prepare for military service in Dagestan and other regions of Russia are about the same. Some laws, similar problems. Referring to the traditional talk about the primordial militancy of the Caucasian peoples and the special love of the local men to arms and military uniform, it is appropriate to recall that representatives of the indigenous ethnos thirty years ago (judging by themselves) eagerly went to serve in the army, were eager to go to Afghanistan, rightly believing that they should take charge of the unworthy men. The favorite yard game of the boys was the war, and at home - the game of soldiers. Obviously, the breakdown, transformation, recoding of consciousness occurred during the last decades of restructuring and breaking the old system. It is not clear why the Russians suffered from this more than Caucasians.

The hero of demand. What makes Dagestan call

The answer, obviously, must be sought in the fact that we are initially spoiled by the perception of our heroic past. When we enthusiastically played chapaev, budenny, sailors and beetles, most Caucasian kids wanted to see themselves as shamils. History the legendary founder of the first highland state on the territory of Russia with a Sharia form of government did not leave the minds of several generations of the inhabitants of the Caucasus, first of all Dagestan. Contributed to this and privately pursued on-site policy of indulging residents of national suburbs on the principle of "Whatever the child laughed." Danger leaders of the USSR saw only in the revival of Russian nationalism.

The scale and goals that were set by such personalities as Chapaev or Matrosov and Shamil, of course, are incomparable. And if the heroes of our childhood were completely denationalized (who cared that Chapaev was Chuvash and Matrosov allegedly Bashkir) and initially party, then Shamil was first of all an Avar and a Muslim who sought to unite all orthodox Caucasians into a single supranational state - Imamat. Moreover, he fought (and not bad) against the Russians. This, too, was never forgotten, especially in the highland villages. How was the personality of Imam Shamil even served in Soviet schools? It is quite noble and heroic as the leader of the national liberation movement of the mountain peoples, who fought for independence with autocratic imperial Russia. What is not an example to follow for descendants, thirsting for fame and exploits?

It also contributes to us with Caucasians that with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the corresponding ideology, we very quickly learned the truth about former heroes: Vasily Chapaev and Semyon Budyonny, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and 28 panfilovtsy, Arkady Gaidar and Georgy Zhukove. In the non-stop mode, they continue to shed mud on them, which cannot be said about Imam Shamil. As if looking younger, he returned to his people to give him strength. In our time, I have repeatedly met portraits of the imam, lovingly hung in the office space, where most of the soldiers were Dagestanis. I do not remember that in the establishments or offices it was possible to see the images of Chapaev, Budyonny or even Suvorov, Zhukov. At best - Stalin or Dzerzhinsky. But these people were not our favorites from childhood, did not commit glorious military exploits.

Installation on optimism

The previous heroes were replaced by “idols”: pop tusnya, cinema brothers, supermen-strokes and glamorous skorobogachi - owners of yachts, villas and football clubs. People were intensely inspired by the idea of ​​renouncing the damned past, aggressively trying to erase our national memory. Fortunately, this did not happen completely. But the crisis in the minds of the state-forming people, alas, is obvious. The teleopros held a few years ago in order to reveal the national leader of all times did not give an unequivocal answer to the burning question. The top ten winners include such diverse figures as the holy Prince Alexander Nevsky and Communist Party leader Joseph Stalin, moderate reformer, conservative and monarchist Peter Stolypin and destroyer of the old-regime Russia Vladimir Lenin. In addition to the winner of the Germans and Swedes Alexander Nevsky, not a single warrior was named, the commander. Did our people really forget the exploits of Dmitry Pozharsky, Alexander Suvorov, Fyodor Ushakov, Peter Bagration, Alexei Yermolov, hundreds of other brilliant personalities, by the example of which one can bring up a wonderful generation of defenders of the Fatherland?

The absence of a universally recognized national leader combining the qualities of a warrior hero and a leader consolidating a nation is a serious problem. Unfortunately, this is not realized by all citizens. As a result of vague military ideals, the lack of exemplary examples, and sometimes their public humiliation or treacherous silence, disappointment is born in its past and an insult to the present, gradually turning into a dull expectation of the future. This is a symptom of the disease of the spirit of the nation. Defeatism is a natural product of extinct national identity. It’s impossible to live with the initiative or win with such a mental attitude that has been stretched for decades.

Isn't this the root of many of our problems, including those with a Caucasian footprint? Let me remind you of the aphorism of the modern philosopher and philologist Vasily (Fazil) Irzabekov: “When the Russians are getting weaker, the others will die”.

We can’t even imagine that we are weak, let alone reconcile with this thought as inappropriate to reality.

To reverse the decadent mood, assiduously inspired by us, we need not so much: to believe in ourselves, in our glorious history, to remember the true heroes of the Fatherland, who can inspire the nation. From here comes the main task of the “deputy people” who are returned to service, as well as the commanders themselves, who have broad rights in the process of educating subordinates. They should teach people to be proud of their country, to overcome despondency and defeatism, raising the spirit of warriors. This will require the help of writers, journalists, writers, authors of history textbooks, teachers, filmmakers, clergymen.

When the economic crisis was raging in America in the 30s of the last century, the Americans - military and civilian - experienced severe psychological problems. The country was saved by the attitude towards optimism and patriotism set by Franklin Roosevelt, the only president of the United States who was elected three times and supported by Hollywood, radio, newspapers, church preachers. It was during this period that new heroes appeared in the nation — white-toothed, discouraged cowboys (essentially ordinary shepherds), and all films surely ended with their victory over insidious Indians. A year after the start of this mass campaign, a change in sentiment was noted in the country, people gained strength, confidence in themselves, in their country, in the government. That is what led the United States to a way out of the crisis.

Just a hundred years ago, the inhabitants of the mighty Russian Empire felt completely happy, self-sufficient and self-confident, in their great country, boldly looking into the future. And if it were not for the lamentations of poets and writers, journalists of the Silver Age, who are always looking for a different, better lot and so embarrassing the minds of their fellow citizens, not a revolution, started with the money of the enemies of the Motherland and supported by the fifth column, then Russia would be the first country in the world absolutely indicators.

History lesson in Dagestan

The processes taking place today in Dagestan are not always faithfully reflected in the central media, which causes Dagestans a slight annoyance.

Not so long ago, an international scientific conference “Actual problems of the Caucasian war and the legacy of Imam Shamil” was held in the capital of the republic. The organizers were the Dagestan Center for Humanitarian Studies (DTSGI) named after Imam Shamil, the Avar Culture Center and the National Library. The chairman of the Center for Center for Pediatric Surgeon Studies, the doctor of historical sciences, the former professor of the Dagestan State University (DSU), Haji Murad Donnoy, who was known in the republic for his radical views, became the ideological inspirer of the event. Among the guests, including those from near and far abroad, there was also a group of young people. The hijabs in which the girls were wearing were not talking about her views.

Head of the Department of History of Dagestan, Professor DGU Omarov in his speech very subtly made it clear what the federal center in the republic will have to face if the Russian authorities continue to act ineffectively, indecisively, inconsistently, non-systematically, without taking into account the region’s historical experience and specifics. Among the politically correct speeches that fully answered the given topic there were also veiled calls for a revision of established views on Russian-Dagestan relations, provocative anti-Russian statements were made, sometimes resembling hidden threats. For example, it was heard in a speech by a foreign guest, candidate of historical sciences Mairbek Vachagayev - the former plenipotentiary of the destroyed Chechen separatist leader Maskhadov in Moscow, and now the president of the French Association of Caucasian Studies and Analyst of the American non-governmental Jamestown Foundation, whose leaders include Russia’s great "friend" Zbigniew Brzezinski and former CIA director James Woolsey.

Mr. Donoy and his like-minded doctor of historical sciences, a leading researcher at the Republican Institute of History, Archeology and Ethnography Dadaev in their speeches strongly emphasized the aggressiveness of Russian politics in the Caucasus, the chauvinism allegedly inherent in the Russian people, and the desire of the tsarist authorities to physically destroy the Muslims of the Caucasus, to eradicate them faith. In contrast to imperialist Russia, the Imamate’s state system was praised, which is a prototype for the “builders” of the current quasi-state of the Emirate of the Caucasus, where supposedly the peoples of present-day Russia, including Russian soldiers-defectors, lived and prospered in peace and prosperity.

I hope that this conference is just an annoying mistake made by the republican authorities because of the lack of it. But it fully reflects the moods of a certain part of Dagestan society, especially young people, who always with sympathy and sincere respect belonged to the truly national hero Shamil. Another thing is how to treat this person? After being captured by the Russians, the imam showed himself to the whole world as a sincere and loyal servant of the Russian sovereign and called his people to this. This period of his life at the conference was not even remembered. Do young Dagestans know about him, who are waiting for the agenda from the draft board?
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  1. Vadivak
    Vadivak April 16 2013 16: 29 New
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    It was a matter of writing letters to Shamil to his winner Baryatinsky

    "To His Excellency the famous Serdar, the magnanimous sovereign, possessing a high mind, perfection, glory, greatness, whose name is glorified everywhere, as well as among courageous people, whose dignity is high and the most exalted position, the emir of the great birth, the ruler of the Caucasus, Field Marshal Prince Baryatinsky. Yes. his power will be magnified and his days may be multiplied! I understand and feel that only thanks to you - I was so graciously received by the Emperor, having received a gift directly from his glorious hand, so that from this mercy the necks of my enemies were cut and the hearts of my friends rejoiced. He completely reassured me, saying that I would not regret that I submitted to Russia. The Empress, the entire royal family and all the chief leaders also showed me great attention and I owe all this to you. When the news reached us that the Great Sovereign Emperor ordered to accept the son of our Muhammad Shafi for military service in His Majesty's Own convoy and even showed him mercy granted with the rank of officer, we were incredibly happy about this, because the Emperor honored us and distinguished us between other people. "
    Imam Shamil

    "The Emperor most mercifully deigned to allow me, according to my request, to go with my family to Mecca. About such a monarch's mercy and great joy for me, received by a letter from the Minister of War on March 1 this March, I hasten to inform your Excellency. Pray from God for the preservation of your happy days in I remain with joy with a sense of deepest respect and devotion, decrepit old man Shamil. March 4, 1869, the city of Kiev. " (note - the centurion Onufriev translated the Don Army.)
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 17: 01 New
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      Yes, then we were struck by the nobility of the Russians ... We do not forget such things.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. April 16 2013 17: 52 New
        +1
        In this regard, my question is this is included in the educational program, or at least in the process of educating young people, this topic is raised?
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 20: 45 New
          +6
          Yes, the history of Dagestan, the Caucasian War is studied in schools. And we study the history of North America and the United States, and how 20 million. the indigenous population of the Indians disappeared somewhere, we know, and we are able to compare. After the collapse of the Union, the very concept of upbringing began to be perceived differently. Only old people with a sparkle in their eyes remember all the advantages of that streamlined value system in the former state, comparing it with regret with modern realities. And we, young people, have already taken on other values, and so far, they are relatively compatible with national ones.
          1. Cyanide
            Cyanide April 16 2013 20: 46 New
            -4
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            we study the history of North America and the USA

            That is correct.
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 16 2013 21: 48 New
              +4
              Quote: Cyanide
              That is correct.

              Well, yes, you need to know a potential enemy thoroughly, especially the disappeared Indians, an indicator of the "tolerance" of Americans
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. April 16 2013 22: 14 New
                +1
                Probably meant tourists, as Americans on reservations "chill out"
                1. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 April 16 2013 22: 21 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Ivan.
                  Probably meant tourists, as Americans on reservations "chill out"

                  I mean the indigenous population, I wonder what Americans are chilling out on "reservations"
                  1. Ivan.
                    Ivan. April 16 2013 23: 16 New
                    +5
                    I thought, and so it is clear, Americans are indigenous people, that is, Indians, and US citizens are tourists from Europe and Africa who do not like that such a large territory of America is disappearing. In general, almost like statements with Siberia "well, one country cannot have such wealth, this is not fair."
          2. enot555
            enot555 April 16 2013 22: 08 New
            +5
            here you are talking about historical examples, etc. and explain to me, my friend, that this often flashes in the reports of persons of Caucasian nationality under interesting circumstances? robberies, robbery, fights, drugs, etc. how does this happen?
            1. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 22: 55 New
              +7
              Therefore, we are losing not only the interethnic culture of communication (like you), but also our own traditional values. Now, instead of modest behavior and appearance according to Islam (as was customary with us), we choose a noisy image (clothes) and defiant behavior. But of course, do not forget about the media, they, too, want to eat, at least three days later ... But on robberies, fights, robberies and drug trafficking, perpetrated by the Russian population in relation to themselves, you won’t make much money ...
              1. DeerIvanovich
                DeerIvanovich April 17 2013 20: 51 New
                0
                and in everyday life, Caucasian youth is nevertheless more arrogant than anyone else. I judge in Moscow. in the province, those who arrived earlier than 5 years ago are still normal, but those who later are real scum.
                no one says that among Russians there are no moral freaks, they are everywhere, but among the Caucasian youth the number of freaks is over the top !!!
                yes, I’ll also take a look already divide us citizens of Russia into your Dagestanis, and not yours — Russians ... which is very unfortunate and means only one thing - you yourself are subject to Nazism.
                1. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 April 17 2013 21: 09 New
                  0
                  Quote: DeerIvanovich
                  Yes, I’ll also take a look already divide us Russian citizens into their Dagestanis, and not their own-Russian ... which is very unfortunate
                  - It’s good that you grieve over such an occasion, even though you have contrived it. And the stupidity of your conclusion, forgive.
                  1. DeerIvanovich
                    DeerIvanovich April 18 2013 13: 09 New
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                    as I glance at the pride of you laughing
                    and I’m not thinking anything up: the philistine has examined from the philological point of view the judgments you have constructed.
                    1. DAGESTAN333
                      DAGESTAN333 April 18 2013 19: 17 New
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                      Quote: DeerIvanovich
                      the pride of you is rushing
                      - a completely unfair accusation!

                      Quote: DeerIvanovich
                      parsed from a philological point of view

                      - speak with philological ..? If I also begin to cling to all your philological squiggles, then I’ll honestly roll you into the man once, for your insults. But I always honestly try to understand my interlocutor, fearing to misinterpret his words.
                      1. dark_65
                        dark_65 April 19 2013 19: 49 New
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                        I’ve read it, it seems like they started well, then as usual (as in Guinea .. whoever is longer, he is Papuan). It seems like normal people gather here ..
                      2. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 April 21 2013 20: 35 New
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                        It remains to find out who is a normal person.
              2. alexandr00070
                alexandr00070 April 17 2013 22: 59 New
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                Quote: DeerIvanovich
                and in everyday life, Caucasian youth is nevertheless more arrogant than anyone else. I judge in Moscow. in the province, those who arrived earlier than 5 years ago are still normal, but those who later are real scum.
                no one says that among Russians there are no moral freaks, they are everywhere, but among the Caucasian youth the number of freaks is over the top !!!

                the key word is "judging by Moscow", but you don’t think that Moscow has long ceased to be an indicator of the state of affairs in Russia, like normal Russians, normal Dagestanis, Ukrainians, Tatars, Moldovans, etc., who love their homeland (if you don’t understand, then the small homeland, the place where they were born) remain to live in their local area, get an education, work and work there for the good of the land of their ancestors, but adventurers, adventurers of all nationalities (far from the best representatives of their peoples) rush like sick people to Moscow , fill all the social voids, from bandits to janitors and hope for a miracle, but everyone does not get a miracle, so they stay there (it's a shame to go home, but Moscow won't let go) and degrade each in their own way. And in Russia, people are different and the morale is different than from the Moscow Ring Road to the center of Moscow, which is off the charts for everyone, and among the Nazis and among the Nashists, and among the liberals, and among the pi ... stov, so the example is not relevant
                And by the way, the lawlessness in the photo was made by Russian judges
                1. DeerIvanovich
                  DeerIvanovich April 18 2013 13: 11 New
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                  all right, but nevertheless, the last 5 years, this infection extends to the province. in fact, I also indicated this in a post above
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. April 16 2013 23: 03 New
          +5
          One more question. Old people, probably especially in the Caucasus, were considered the most respected people, authorities, you say that their eyes still have brilliance - they lost influence on young people, lost the battle for their souls? I am interested in generalizations, the specifics are contradictory.
          And I want to say that I really liked how you said "we were amazed ... We do not forget" despite the fact that you were not born then.
          P.S. could not resist at the end and switched to you. I consider the appeal "you" not respect but separation. A simple example is an example of politeness and good manners, a teacher, an adult and a strong person turns to the student, as a rule, to you (he didn’t deserve to say, he’s not mature enough, or something else) but they demand a different treatment to themselves, thereby creating a distance that excludes trusting relationships, double standards. This is probably why they turn to friends, relatives and God to you, eliminating the distance, and to the rest - be so kind, dear dear!
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 23: 48 New
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            Quote: Ivan.
            P.S. could not resist in the end and switched to you
            -))))) dear Ivan, I’m here myself))) I swear to people, only fearing that they will be offended by Poking. Anyone can turn to me on YOU, and this will not be offense to me.

            Quote: Ivan.
            they lost influence on youth, lost the battle for their souls?
            - The "Pepsi Generation" has grown up and we, for their souls, have lost the war for sure! "Live for yourself!" - this is their slogan.
            It seems to me that we can only talk about how to save the next generation.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 17 2013 02: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Anyone can turn to me on YOU, and this will not be offense to me.

              Well, let's try hi
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              - The "Pepsi Generation" has grown up and we, for their souls, have lost the war for sure! "Live for yourself!" - this is their slogan.

              Well, why respect your centuries-old traditions that you exchanged for several years for not the best lemonade? And what is your older generation worth who can control and educate young people only within their native village?
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. April 17 2013 09: 16 New
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                It is not necessary to respect traditions; they are changeable and inconstant and exist only for those who are not able to live consciously and responsibly, it is necessary to respect a person.
                "exchanged for not the best lemonade in a few years?" - and there are most of them in the world, it's a pity that the demand from them is not great.
                You say pain.
                By the way, I do not defend Caucasians, I already have an allergy to them, but I have to distinguish a person over nationality.
              2. DAGESTAN333
                DAGESTAN333 April 17 2013 20: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Well, why respect your centuries-old traditions
                - exactly because they respect the age-old traditions of your people.


                Quote: Ruslan67
                what is your older generation worth
                - Ruslan67, I’ll assume that you don’t specifically mean anything to my soul. The answer is that our older generation can influence young people, at least within the village.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 April 18 2013 03: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  I will assume that you are not specifically n **** to my soul.

                  Of course, not specifically, but only on the basis of what I see with my own eyes every day in my native St. Petersburg hi
                  1. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 April 18 2013 10: 47 New
                    +1
                    You can be malicious as much as you like. Everyone sees only what he wants to see.
    2. Bern
      Bern April 16 2013 19: 01 New
      +1
      Friend, I wish you had more of these! We are not evil ...
      1. Anon
        Anon April 16 2013 19: 12 New
        +5
        Would this tell my friend who died in the Caucasus in the late 90s?
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 20: 56 New
          +2
          Of course, we also have those who do not agree with people like me.
      2. mehanik27
        mehanik27 April 16 2013 22: 03 New
        -1
        We are not evil, but they are very cunning, they can say anything
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 22: 17 New
          0
          Well ... in the most interesting place .., came mehanik27, performed a simple mental operation, and figured out all our vileness ... It's a pity ...
  2. Kaa
    Kaa April 16 2013 17: 10 New
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    I took a book from a shelf in my hands. I read it.
    "In Kaluga, in the solemn atmosphere of the reception hall at the governor's office, an oath was taken. A copy of Shamil's oath was sent to the tsar. It said:" the whole family will be eternal subjects to the Emperor Alexander Nikolaevich, his heir and the Russian state.
    Truly, I will not leave the Russian state, except with the highest permission of his Imperial Majesty. I will not go into a foreign service, nor will I be either friend or accomplice to any of the enemies of the Russian state. I will not do anything that contradicts the essence of a worthy faithful subject. All that they order me to keep secret in the interests of the state, I will keep prudently, deliberately preventing any attempt to carry out anti-state acts.
    I ask the Almighty Allah to help me bodily and soulfully with his help and virtue, so that I can be faithful to my oath.
    With a great kiss of the holy Quran, I complete my oath. O Allah, so be it!
    Servant of God Shamil. "
    Alexander II, along with many gifts, received a response letter: “O excellent and perfect imam, wise by experience and knowledge!” Congratulations and bless you and your loved ones! I wish you well from the Almighty God and from people!
    You wrote that you were convinced that you were defeated not only by the force of arms, but also by the power of love for you. May our love and generosity to you be unlimited! Praise be to God, who made a great change in you! I am sure that you have become a faithful subject, without hypocrisy, for you are a great, honest and noble man.
    I have no doubt that you will all become the most noble among the native Russian nobles. Live in leisure and peace in the city in which your venerable lady is worshiped. Live a laudable life among our people.
    We are the Emperor of All Russia, Alexander II "-Mariam Ibragimova. Imam Shamil: Roman.-M.: Soviet writer, 1991.-608с. INTERESTING, IN THE NORTH CAUCASUS THIS BOOK IS IN THE SCHOOL PROGRAM?
    1. donchepano
      donchepano April 16 2013 17: 38 New
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      Quote: Kaa
      I promise the promise of faith and swear by Allah Almighty the organizer of everything! Truly, I commit myself to the fact that together with the whole family we will be eternal subjects to the Emperor Alexander Nikolayevich, his heir and the Russian state.

      Greetings to the wise Kaa!

      Guys! Dagestanis as a whole are very good and helpful people!
      Of course, a black sheep is found in the herd, but it is found among all peoples.
      It’s just someone who benefits from feuds between nations ... someone has a good bakshish from conflicts.
      And the goals of all these interethnic conflicts are far-reaching
      1. waisson
        waisson April 16 2013 18: 37 New
        +5
        a people can be who was brought up in the spirit of a single without a national citizen of the USSR but not the current youth who violates the customs and traditions of Russian brazenly behaving in the cities at home they are quiet like sheep. so in the army if you serve them but no more than 1-2 then they behave spontaneously. when they served me and there were few Chechens and relations with them were good, and when a lot of fraternity was still flourishing besides the old-timers
      2. predator.3
        predator.3 April 17 2013 08: 00 New
        +2
        The current Caucasian youth has come to Russian cities to lay bare, lead a free lifestyle!
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 17 2013 23: 04 New
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          Quote: predator.3
          The current Caucasian youth has come to Russian cities to lay bare, lead a free lifestyle!

          bullshit here is our answer lezginka

          imagine how could Caucasians
  3. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB April 16 2013 17: 21 New
    +5
    The void is filled either with a passion for religion or a passion for robberies and anti-social behavior. The ideological work in the Caucasus must be restored, otherwise Russia gets real bandits and fanatics controlled from abroad from potential heroes. As a resident of the Caucasus and a patriot of Russia, I urge the authorities to immediately take up this matter.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle April 16 2013 18: 52 New
      +3
      ShturmKGB
      Ideological work in the Caucasus should be restored

      Isn't it necessary to restore ideological work in Russia? Raise skinny beer and internet lovers, underage alcoholics, and just orphans with living parents. The youth of the Caucasus are spiritually healthier than the Russians, they honor their parents, their wives are submissive to their husbands. There are no drunks, neither are homosexuals. And we Russians are a herd without a shepherd. Only the Orthodox still preserve the true values, but worldly "values" penetrate our consciousness, poisoning it. So the entire population of Russia needs education, even the mountaineers, even the steppe people, even the townspeople. But who will be this teacher, that's the question ...
      1. rereture
        rereture April 16 2013 19: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Uncle
        And we Russians are a herd without a shepherd.


        Here again self-flagellation. "a flock without a shepherd" - are we sheep?

        We need the Leader who is being followed, and not the shepherd who is chasing the herd.
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich April 17 2013 20: 55 New
          0
          so the Jew for that and perverted Christianity in order to accustom the flock to walking for the shepherd
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 17 2013 23: 07 New
            0
            Quote: DeerIvanovich
            so the Jew for that and perverted Christianity in order to accustom the flock to walking for the shepherd
      2. Anon
        Anon April 16 2013 19: 06 New
        -9
        You say that beer is something bad. drinks
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 21: 10 New
          14
          At the moment, pivasik is Russia's primary enemy. Bukhariks and pivasik-worshipers actively "modify" their genetic heritage.
          1. yak69
            yak69 April 16 2013 23: 46 New
            +3
            There was time and there was a leader. He rallied, gave guidance and led to the goal. Now there is no leader. And everyone is free to make their choice.
            We say we have broken the ideology. And we, the bearers of this ideology, where have we gone? And our children? Or are they not our children? Or does genetics no longer work and the genetic program also broke down? Wisdom says: "Thorns do not give birth to figs" and "An apple does not fall far from an apple tree."
            So who are we ourselves? What are the fruits we give birth?
            Are we not capable of self-organization and self-discipline? Can't we figure out where to go and what to do without urging?
            It turns out that we all increased in size, but didn’t become adults? ...
  4. Su24
    Su24 April 17 2013 00: 28 New
    +2
    The top ten winners are such diverse figures as the holy noble prince Alexander Nevsky and the Communist Party leader Joseph Stalin, the moderate reformer, conservative and monarchist Peter Stolypin and the destroyer of old-regime Russia Vladimir Lenin. In addition to the winner of the Germans and Swedes, Alexander Nevsky was not named a single warrior, commander.


    Oh, something the author is 3,14 here. First, Stalin was the leader in the survey for a long time, and apparently, it was only thanks to the organizer of the competition that he was squeezed out. Secondly, Stalin is the winner of the Germans, and various other Swedes. In the political history of our country, Stalin and Alexander Nevsky (with all his merits) are incomparable, diverse orders of magnitude. Stalin is like Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Ivan the Terrible and Peter the First combined.
  • INTER
    INTER April 16 2013 16: 30 New
    11
    The Caucasus is quite conservative when, like the rest of Russia, it is influenced by the West. Thus, when making political decisions, it is necessary to take this fact into account. And not everything Western is also good for the Slavs, as they say. By this, the Russians lose their originality, culture, a kind of integrity and mixes up and creates in this situation a homogeneous mass. And I think the geyropa is not our way.
  • elmi
    elmi April 16 2013 16: 32 New
    +3
    It seems to me that it is not necessary to limit the call from the Caucasus, but to call on everyone BUT! provided that they will serve in the Caucasus and all together
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt April 16 2013 16: 38 New
      10
      It seems to me that it is not necessary to limit the call from the Caucasus, but to call all BUT! provided that they will serve in the Caucasus and all together



      Well, you give a pancake. And do you have any idea how this could end?
      1. elmi
        elmi April 16 2013 17: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        Well, you give a pancake. And do you have any idea how this could end?

        And what is surprising if it turns out that because of their mentality they bend all but the Caucasians for themselves, and so they will cook in their own juice))) Of course, under the control of officers, not from the Caucasus. I’m just saying from my own experience: during training at first, the Caucasians pressed us, then, having put together their groups, they did not dare to enter into a conflict with us.
        1. elmir15
          elmir15 April 25 2013 02: 12 New
          +4
          They are just cocky together, and how little of them are ordinary
    2. Manager
      Manager April 16 2013 16: 39 New
      10
      Quote: elmi


      It seems to me that it is not necessary to limit the call from the Caucasus, but to call all BUT! provided that they will serve in the Caucasus and all together


      Yes, they, together with machine guns, will go home.
      1. INTER
        INTER April 16 2013 17: 04 New
        10
        Quote: elmi
        It seems to me that it is not necessary to limit the call from the Caucasus, but to call all BUT! provided that they will serve in the Caucasus and all together

        What's the problem? Why can Dagestanis, like Caucasians, not serve throughout Russia? The problem is not in the Dagestanis, the problem is the lack of discipline and the non-fulfillment of the duties of the senior staff. The main thing in my opinion is the education of a military brotherhood, we are all Russians and the vast majority should have the idea that our homeland is Russia.
        From the book of Rasul Gamzatov.
        In August 1859, on Mount Gunib, Imam Shamil got off his war horse and appeared before Prince Baryatinsky as a great captive. Putting his left leg a little forward and putting it on a stone, and putting his right hand on the hilt of the saber, casting a blurred look at the surrounding mountains, Shamil said:
        “Sardar! 1 I fought for twenty-five years, defending the honor of these mountains and these highlanders.” My nineteen wounds hurt and never heal. Now I surrender and give my land into your hands.
        - To be completely sorry. Your land is good: only rocks and stones!
        “Tell me, Sardar, which of us was more right in this war: were we, who were dying for the land, considering it beautiful, are you, who were also dying for it, considering it was bad?”
        The captive Shamil was taken to Petersburg for a month.
        In Petersburg, the emperor asked him:
        - How did you find the road?
        - Big country. A very big country.
        “Tell me, Imam, if you knew that my state is so great and powerful, would you fight against it for so long, or would it prudently and in time lay down your arms?”
        “But you fought with us for so long, knowing that we have a small and weak country!”
        My father kept one letter from Shamil, or rather, his farewell. Here it is:
        "My mountaineers! Love your bare, wild rocks. They brought little good to you, but without these rocks your land will not be like yours, and without land there is no freedom for the poor mountaineers. Fight for them, take care of them. Let the sound of your sabers delight my grave dream. "
        Shamil has repeatedly heard the ringing and knock of mountain sabers, although the highlanders fought for another matter. The homeland of Dagestanis has now become wider. Their graves are scattered in the distant fields of Ukraine, Belarus, Moscow Region, Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Carpathians and the Balkans, as well as near Berlin.
        - Because of what people of one aul fought before?
        - Because of the span of land between the fields of the two highlanders, because of the small slope, because of the stone.
        - Because of what did people of two neighboring auls fight before?
        - Because of an inch of land between the fields of auls.
        - Because of what did Dagestan fight with other nations?
        - Because of an inch of land on the borders of Dagestan itself.
        - Because of what then Dagestan fought?
        - Because of the span of land on the borders of the great Land of Soviets.
        - What is Dagestan fighting for now?
        - For world peace.
        1. CaptainBlack
          CaptainBlack April 17 2013 01: 19 New
          +3
          Yes, let the guys serve! I had Dagestanis in my company. Served well. Sent to demobilization by foremen (in DISBAT all!). But, just let them now serve there! Better in parts of the GUS. With each replenishment, I became more and more convinced that giving them any weapon was a great stupidity! Or cripple yourself, or others! Yes, and our guys have always been in conflict lately. They do not recognize Russian commanders, do not respect, and are not afraid! My personal opinion: it is better to graze sheep in the mountains, pray to their allah a hundred times a day, and do not protrude from their villages! And in our Army there is someone to serve !!! Not everything is lost. This is OUR Army !!!
      2. elmi
        elmi April 16 2013 17: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Manager
        Yes, they, together with machine guns, will go home.

        There was a transfer not long ago, so it says that their elders will vouch for them. Can you imagine what a shame the guarantor and relatives of the fugitive will be ... No, I don’t think that they will run away, then many go to the army so that later, in a civilian, to go to work requiring a military card. They are not enemies to themselves.
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 April 16 2013 22: 06 New
          +3
          You are very far from reality - they wanted for a long time to be some kind of elders. Yes, in fact, the elders are not very happy and willingly vouch for, because they themselves know the outcome.
          1. elmi
            elmi April 16 2013 22: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: mehanik27
            You are very far from reality

            This is not my quote, but an excerpt from the news I just brought their opinion and gave it here for discussion. I understand that they can not give a damn for a guarantee, but I am convinced that they will not run away from the army, because they themselves are trying to get into the army for their money and they desperately need a military ID for subsequent employment.
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 April 16 2013 22: 52 New
              +1
              They will not run away, but they will also serve properly. Is the game worth the candle ????
              1. elmir15
                elmir15 April 25 2013 02: 14 New
                +2
                How to know? time will tell
        2. anarh
          anarh April 17 2013 01: 14 New
          -1
          There was one sly fox. And this fox’s name was BB.
          And he taught another fox - EB:
          - Yes, we won the war. And what do the losers expect from us? That we will impose our will on them.
          And we will be higher. We say we don’t need anything. And they will be surprised and submit.
          The sly fox was BB. Very cunning and very self-confident.
          So self-confident that he spoke about it from the screen of Channel One.
          Where is BB now?
          Where is the EB now?
          And you know, and I know.
          Why all this?
          Dear elmi, no need to go dear BB.
          1. elmi
            elmi April 17 2013 11: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: anarh
            There was one sly fox. And this fox’s name was BB.
            And he taught another fox - EB:
            - Yes, we won the war. And what do the losers expect from us? That we will impose our will on them.
            And we will be higher. We say we don’t need anything. And they will be surprised and submit.
            The sly fox was BB. Very cunning and very self-confident.
            So self-confident that he spoke about it from the screen of Channel One.
            Where is BB now?
            Where is the EB now?
            And you know, and I know.
            Why all this?
            Dear elmi, no need to go dear BB.

            anarh why do you have to decipher your statements - EB, BB -? give a decoding otherwise than to conduct a dialogue. Who are you encrypting from? and why do you ascribe “labels” to me without knowing me and my point of view. Let's debate and find out our positions. This is the second selection from you in camouflaged form, I am not encrypted, unlike you, and who after this is more cunning of us, as you say. I openly express my point of view and do not impose it on anyone. Let's talk about what doesn't suit you.
        3. elmir15
          elmir15 April 25 2013 02: 13 New
          +4
          Of course they won’t run. they are not cowards
      3. elmi
        elmi April 16 2013 22: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Manager
        Yes, they, together with machine guns, will go home.

        And why do many Caucasians even try to get into the army for money? in order to go home with machines as you say? They are insane to pay bribes to the military enlistment offices in order to get into the army, then to flee and doom themselves to criminal prosecution and the impossibility of finding a military ticket.
    3. datolith
      datolith April 16 2013 16: 57 New
      +1
      In SMEs, where officers are also from Dagestan
    4. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 16 2013 17: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: elmi
      It seems to me that it is not necessary to limit the call from the Caucasus, but to call all BUT! provided that they will serve in the Caucasus and all together

      That is, on the same rake, arm, teach, and then again knock out of the green and drive through the mountains ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, already passed.



      It’s necessary to call upon having developed the distribution program, to distribute throughout Russia and no more than 1-2 per division, in such numbers they are normal guys who adequately perceive the environment and by the way in my service I remember there were no problems with the Dagestanis, (year 88), and here the Chechens command quickly scattered 2 in each company (after they put 8 in one company, and they began to pump the right to the grandfathers, but the grandfather of the Soviet army convinced them that they were wrong, and they themselves asked for the second day of service from our platoon , the command went to meet the wishes and they were scattered around the companies within a radius of 300 km, we had 2 normal guys left)

      So military commissars need to immediately think over the distribution and preferably in the marine fleet
      1. elmi
        elmi April 16 2013 17: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: alexandr00070
        That is, on the same rake, arm, teach, and then again knock out of the green and drive through the mountains ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, already passed.

        I do not agree with you, but what about the Chechen battalions of the GRU "East" and "West"? They didn’t run into the greenery and the mountains and didn’t shoot at us.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 16 2013 18: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: elmi
          I do not agree with you, but what about the Chechen battalions of the GRU "East" and "West" ?, consisting of ethnic Chechens in the Georgian-Ossetian conflict, made such a rustle to the Georgians.

          You’re wrong, it's not conscripts, but we’re talking about stitching,
          1. elmi
            elmi April 16 2013 20: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: alexandr00070
            You’re wrong, it's not conscripts, but we’re talking about stitching,

            And what do you suggest? How to solve the problem? By 1 man in the company? it’s possible this is the way out, and it’s possible the harm is why: when I was in training, we had an incident in a border guard - in one of the frontier outposts of 1 a Caucasian shot at night the entire outpost of sleeping people. I can’t say the exact reason for the execution, but the guys say he was harassed by jokes, he was little familiar with modern technology, TV players, etc. he joked that when I shot everyone, no one believed and did not attach importance to the abandoned words, and when he shot them they understood but late. That such a story happened. When I got to the outpost myself, there wasn’t a lot of hazing because everyone had access to weapons, and we had a Caucasian at the outpost - (I don’t know the nationality, therefore I say Caucasian, I hope no one will be offended), so no one let go of offensive jokes to him.
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 16 2013 21: 54 New
              0
              Quote: elmi
              I can’t say the exact reason for the execution, but the guys say they persecuted him with jokes, he was little familiar with modern technology, TV players, etc. he joked that when I shot everyone, no one believed and did not attach importance to the abandoned words, and when he shot them they understood but late.

              Well, it's your own fault, in the army you need to rely on the one who will cover from behind, and those buried in battle can slap in the back themselves. We went "every other day on the belt", and so really when constantly with combat, it somehow disciplines. And the exit is only this 1-2 in different units and different types of troops,
              1. elmi
                elmi April 16 2013 22: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: alexandr00070
                and so it’s really when constantly fighting, it somehow disciplines

                I agree, I also had a case when a contractor tried to annoy me - he threw an apple stub and ordered it to be removed, and I was already the eldest of the draft. Naturally, I flared up at him, went to the clearing to "talk" during the fight, I realized that he was weaker and I tried to bring the disassembly to a draw, so I restrained myself so that he did not think that he had lost, so to speak, parted with the world. Note that this showdown was in Chechnya, and there should not be among our enemies.
            2. anarh
              anarh April 17 2013 01: 21 New
              0
              So, probably, he didn’t climb.
              1. elmi
                elmi April 17 2013 01: 31 New
                +3
                Quote: anarh
                So, probably, he didn’t climb.

                Do not quite understand s ... but I guess, maybe he didn’t want an extreme aggravation, but he, too, is afraid for himself like everyone else, it’s one thing to catch a bullet from the enemy, another thing from his own, from the sub.
      2. bask
        bask April 16 2013 18: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: alexandr00070
        wishes and they were scattered around the mouth within a radius of 300 km, we have 2 left normal guys

        That's right. In today's situation, there’s only one or two soldiers coming out of the Caucasus to the company. ((One soldier from the Caucasus is a friend, friend, golden man. Two so-and-so. Three gangs ....))) ) In another way, not like.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 16 2013 18: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: bask
          one soldier from the Caucasus is a friend, a friend, a golden man. Two so-so. Three gang ....)))) In another way, not like.

          and there is . and this is precisely what Caucasians first of all win. they start to think differently, and in a handful they won’t learn what
          1. kabizdox
            kabizdox April 16 2013 19: 18 New
            +1
            there are 40 Chechens, militants sitting in the local zone, they are building the entire 1500 zone, even their employees try not to touch them
            1. Anon
              Anon April 16 2013 19: 22 New
              +2
              I agree. We seemed to have it in 2002. Dagi was running the whole barn with us. Riot police even called the animals to put in place. I don’t know how.
    5. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 00: 54 New
      -1
      And the gang together will leave a well-coordinated and worked out team ...
      “What would you do, Brother Rabbit?”
      “Don’t throw it in the bushes, Brother Fox.” Just not in the bushes.
    6. elmir15
      elmir15 April 25 2013 02: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: elmi
      It seems to me that it is not necessary to limit the call from the Caucasus, but to call all BUT! provided that they will serve in the Caucasus and all together

      Right!!!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 16 2013 16: 36 New
    +7
    Well, here the author wrote incorrectly and fables!
    Article minus!
    Shamil at that time Avars idolized and then secretly, and so we all played Chapaev, not Shamil !!
    Just a different mentality all the same, other kindred attitude !!
    Generally a lot of different things basically attitude !!
    Even Russian living in the Caucasus are very different mentality and perception of Muscovites, for example, the same Cossacks !!
    I will give one more example!
    In Soviet times, in any small institution in the Caucasus, you would see photos of fellow countrymen, champions athletes, or generals and you were really proud of such people! You would not see pictures of singers or singers, models!
    1. INTER
      INTER April 16 2013 17: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      Even Russian living in the Caucasus are very different mentality and perception of Muscovites, for example, the same Cossacks !!

      Alibek You are right. Sometimes not entirely truthful articles appear on Internet resources, sometimes even funny ones. And at the expense of Shamil, Avars adore him even now. But this is a consequence of the prevailing misconception that Dagestanis live in Dagestan, in Dagestan there are more than 33 nationalities. This is similar to how people from Russia are called Russians. Recently they wrote here: "What did the Chechens from Dagestan do during the Second World War, they fled to the mountains correctly (It's good that they didn't write to the forest))))))))))))))) laughing
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 18: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: INTER
        Alibek you are right

        just to my shame, until the 90s I knew almost nothing about Shamil !!
        I knew about the war, but superficially!
        1. bask
          bask April 16 2013 18: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          to my shame, until the 90s I knew almost nothing about Shamil !!

          I greet Alibek. I knew. And I knew that the Dagestanis, under the Soviet regime, always remembered him.
          The Russians were inspired by the ideas of internationalism and inspired, and when they got into the army they faced terry national ... nationalism towards the Russians. In our unit, there were all nations against the Russians. One Kalmyk and two Kazakhs were for. The service was 2-1985. And then Chechnya. Kakya na..International ,, friendship ,,, Now the situation is much worse.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 16 2013 18: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: bask
            I greet Alibek. I knew. And I knew that the Dagestanis, under the Soviet regime, always remembered him.

            Hello!!
            Mostly Avars !!
            Quote: bask
            Russians were inspired by the ideas of internationalism

            this is not necessary and we were inspired by internationalism !!
            Believe me, you are wrong!
            Each then received nationalism lessons from representatives of other nations, in different ways!
            I had a memory in class 6 in Moscow when I gave way to a woman in the subway called me rude!
            In Georgia it was but there I thought a Georgian who did not know Georgian!
            but with the Armenians, they behind the back as the Turks spoke Turks!
            it is now that I understand that the Turks, then came to massacre, because Turkey was an enemy of the USSR!
            1. bask
              bask April 16 2013 18: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              this is not necessary and we were inspired by internationalism !!

              Maybe it is so. I say what I myself encountered.
              There were Chichens who saved Russian families in Chechnya in the 90s. But there were only a few. And they always warned (((God forbid our relatives know the end))).
              Once again. Now the situation is much worse. A Syrian scenario looms ahead with such a state .. national policy. On a national scale .. And this is reality.
              Quote: Yarbay
              I understand that the Turks, then it came to massacre, because Turkey was an enemy of the USSR!

              It has been historically, since the time of the Petrine, Azov campaign.
              1. skeptic
                skeptic April 16 2013 19: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: bask
                Now the situation is much worse. A Syrian scenario looms ahead with such a state .. national policy. On a national scale .. And this is reality.


                God forbid in a similar way, but attackers can awaken such Russian nationalism that at the genetic level, the very essence of SLAVES will revive. It is a pity that cleansing can happen only through huge rivers of blood.
            2. alitet
              alitet April 16 2013 22: 50 New
              +2
              Dear Yarbau, I have always respected the Dagestan. Why do young Dagestanis behave this way? After all, Dagestan without Russia ... I do not want to offend. Why Shamil (not offended and not humiliated) understood a lot, but you can’t admit that Dagestan lives thanks Russia. And Russia (by the way) is not only Russians. Why not drive our children from a young age that Russia is our homeland, and that it’s lucky to be born in it to someone Dagestan, someone Russian or Tatar. It is commendable to know the history of their people- but no reason to despise the history of others. In the place we are a force-apart colony of someone
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 16 2013 23: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: alitet
                Dear Yarbau. Always treated the Dagestan with respect.

                I, too, have always treated Dagestanis as well as Russian and other nationalities and treat them with respect!
                I am not a Dagestan!
                Quote: alitet
                I don’t want to offend

                Probably all the rest is not for me!
                As for Shamil, I have my own opinion!
                The fact that you wrote below is to blame for your leadership, imposed corruption, the princes there on the ground!
                This is my opinion from the outside!
      2. anarh
        anarh April 17 2013 01: 43 New
        0
        Good joke.
        Funny.
        And the forest in the mountains does not grow.
        And in Russia not Chechens live, but Chechens.
        It’s funny. In a foreign country.
        But you still need to learn Russian. Especially punctuation.
        Well, the story of geography - to the heap.
      3. anarh
        anarh April 17 2013 02: 12 New
        0
        Good joke.
        Funny.
        And the forest in the mountains does not grow.
        And in Russia not Chechens live, but Chechens.
        It’s funny. In a foreign country.
        But you still need to learn Russian. Especially punctuation.
        Well, the story of geography - to the heap.

        And about 33 nationalities - cool.
        A beautiful figure and terribly symbolic.
    2. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 16 2013 18: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Yarbay

      Even Russian living in the Caucasus are very different mentality and perception of Muscovites, for example, the same Cossacks !!

      Alibek, you’re right, I won’t say about the Cossacks, I don’t like them))) I fought with them once in their youth, they were to blame))) but about the Russians, yes, they live in our country and live nearby in the Stavropol Territory. There is a good friend of the Russian auto repairman, so his 14-year-old son does not take offense at school, healthy (more than his father), confident, although he is one Russian in the class, they do not contact him. And in the Stavropol Territory there are many frail, so to speak modern, or something with any earrings in your ears, with shaggy hairstyles, etc.
      1. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 16 2013 22: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Murat 09
        his 14-year-old son does not take offense at school, healthy (more than his father), confident, although he is one Russian in the class, they do not contact him. And in the Stavropol Territory there are many frail, so to speak modern, or something with any earrings in your ears, with shaggy hairstyles, etc.

        this is the problem, the Slavs go to the army not physically and ideologically prepared, Caucasians and in Soviet times physically pumped up the army plus were brought up (and probably brought up) as in the old days the Russians brought up (like Cossacks before the Civil) sons as future warriors, morally trained physically, and now the Russians have no common idea and ideologically weaker ones. We need to return students to schools and teach retired personnel, otherwise a physical education teacher is a woman at our school, she teaches machine guns to be sorted.
      2. anarh
        anarh April 17 2013 01: 53 New
        0
        And why love the Cossacks-not girls.
        And once it was enough to see.
        And so - of course, the Cossacks were to blame.
        And then who?
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 17 2013 07: 48 New
          0
          It was like this, in 1997 (when I unfortunately was young, stupid, walked and drank) the three of us and my friends were sitting in a restaurant in Kislovodsk, a little under a cafe, Cossacks suddenly ran in (then, like Cossack patrols roaming in Kislom with rubber clubs) 10-15 people and suddenly sitting seated on us. One at once with a baton on the head, he’s off, my friend and I (he’s a cool kid) back to back, a friend of three or four knocked down at once, I also kicked one in the stomach, put the other on the shin and knee, and the third Cossack behind the club on the back of the head and I passed out. I woke up in a wagon, we were held for 3 hours in advance, the documents were checked and released, they were not even detained. Then it turned out that the Caucasians beat two Cossacks, the Cossacks gathered in a heap and went to beat everyone on the road with the Caucasians who got in. But we had nothing to do with it, we sat in a restaurant and rested. Well, who is to blame ???
    3. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 04: 04 New
      0
      What is true is true.
      Somehow it is not customary in Russia to hang pictures in "small establishments".
  • wec
    wec April 16 2013 16: 42 New
    +2
    The reason for the freezing of recruits to the army of recruits from sunny Dagestan was a series of ugly cases - a manifestation of the so-called non-statutory relationships.

    What has changed? Contingent? Has the situation in the republic stabilized? In general, what measures have been taken to prevent repetition? Did something change? I don’t want a rake on the tezhe ...
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 16 2013 16: 46 New
    +1
    A couple of links:

    http://www.proza.ru/2010/01/03/340
    http://www.proza.ru/2010/01/03/344

    They have answers to many questions. But not all. The most important thing is to whom it is favorably discussed in another thread.
  • fight
    fight April 16 2013 16: 48 New
    +7
    Conscripts from Dagestan are overgrown, pumped up, in tracksuits, not able to practically speak Russian. For them, sending to the Army is a road to a big life, basically they then remain in the edges of the service, they adjoin the diaspora in that region and strengthen it respectively. Is there any sense in them? The question is rhetorical. The bulk is not. But there are worthy guys. It all depends on the education of the previous draft in the army.
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu April 16 2013 19: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: luta
      Draftees from Dagestan are overgrown, pumped up, in tracksuits, unable to practically speak Russian.

      Why lie so ?! Only deep old people living in alpine villages are not able to speak Russian in Dagestan, and even then I personally have never met such people. Young people speak Russian fluently, it cannot be otherwise in a multilingual republic, where Russian is the language of international communication.
      1. fight
        fight April 17 2013 07: 49 New
        +1
        Yes, I constantly came across the fact that they can’t write, do not know how to speak. Judge by the high balls of the USE? ha ha
      2. mehanik27
        mehanik27 April 17 2013 08: 15 New
        0
        oh well)))) I often came across those who did not know how to write and read in Russian, but at the same time had a higher pedagogical education)))) At first I thought that one of them was just bull-fed and didn’t want to read the charter. But then it turned out that he doesn’t just go by and don’t want to - he just can’t read. But at the same time he is a primary school teacher. So what are they teaching in elementary school in Dagestan ????
    2. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 01: 59 New
      0
      Quote: luta
      But there are worthy guys.

      Of course, there is.
      Only gold handy in the mines to wash, and not to evaporate from sea water.
  • krez-74
    krez-74 April 16 2013 16: 50 New
    +5
    The problem is that in Russia they are very quick and very often able to spit on their past, often without delving into the vicissitudes of the past tense. Of the heroes they quickly make villains, of success-failure, of memory - a laughing stock ... The Caucasian peoples are not angels, BUT, they are very kind to their past.
    As for the resumption of the draft and its termination, these are incomprehensible throwings of power, which add nothing but negativity! If the state is one, then the rights and obligations should be the same! They did not call on the Caucasians, but did hazing from this disappear? Moreover, in the current situation, an uninvited young man becomes an object of Islamic recruiters' hunt, it is a fact. People will be told at every corner - this is how the state treats you! He doesn’t need you! You are a man of the second grade! ...
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 16 2013 17: 42 New
      0
      "in Russia they very quickly and very often know how to spit on their past"

      Not quite so, in the USSR they actively fought against Russian self-awareness and, in general, with Russianism (the leadership is understandable), and the word Russian was generally withdrawn from the press, replaced by Soviet. Here the dog is buried. Books "The Last Ivan" "Occupation" by Ivan Drozdov testify to this http://ivandrozdov.ru/
      But the rest is true.
    2. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 16 2013 18: 39 New
      +1
      Croesus 74-100 pluses per post))
    3. skeptic
      skeptic April 16 2013 19: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: krez-74
      The problem is that in Russia they are very quick and very often able to spit on their past, often without delving into the vicissitudes of the past tense. Of heroes, villains are quickly made, of success-failure, of memory - a laughing stock ...


      There were always enough enemies of Russia. Bironov's Germans burned the archives of ancient Russia, and erased the entire history of the emergence of the Slavs. The revolutionary Semites etched out Slavism and Russianness, in order to transform the people of Russia into firewood, for the world revolution. It will work, it will not work, but there will be no Russian people. In the future, the multinational party nomenclature did everything to prevent the appearance of "Russian nationalism", while the nationalism of other peoples of Russia was cultivated on any, at least in some way, the same tribesmen. After the Great Thieves' redistribution, the entire Western "scientific thought" joined the local princelings to distort, denigrate Russian national heroes, Soviet, and socialist achievements. A host of NGOs strive to finish off everything we were good at, finish off education, medicine, culture, everything that is still sacred to us. Yes, through the media, the Internet (it’s a sin to conceal on the forums, the noncomplaints are trying to talk about ... our Army, and weapons, and history), many modern films, often using the principle of Goebbels propaganda - a lie must be terrible, so that in they believed her. Therefore, we still have one option, to convey the truth to the maximum number of Russians. Patriotism is born on the glory of ancestors and knowledge of the great history of the Fatherland. So, a lot also depends on us. The main thing is to believe in the truth.
  • Naval
    Naval April 16 2013 17: 00 New
    +6
    And we are not preparing the fifth column in our training courses? Won't they start shooting us in the back? I heard that our specialists trained Basayev, he thought he would confine himself only to Abkhazia, but that’s how it turned out .. hi
    1. krez-74
      krez-74 April 16 2013 17: 16 New
      11
      A strange opinion ... Are traitors to Russia from Caucasians alone? Look, in the West Russians, former officials, ministers, KGB officers, FSB officers, memoirs are writing off ... But this does not mean that all Russians are like that, and that they don’t need to be taken into the army, or somewhere else? Dai Bassaev did not start a war in Chechnya, although he is undeniably villain and Judah! That war was unleashed in Moscow in order to cut money under the guise, how many oligarchs appeared in those years, when people scared people of Caucasian ethnicity ... I am Caucasian, but in your opinion, I am not a full-fledged citizen of Russia.
      1. Murat 09
        Murat 09 April 16 2013 18: 41 New
        +1
        Croesus -74 +++++
      2. YuDDP
        YuDDP April 17 2013 00: 02 New
        0
        that war was unleashed by transnational corporations to prevent the construction of the Tengiz-Novorossiysk oil pipeline through Chechnya
        For this, nationalism in Chechnya was fueled in every way
        don't be naive ...
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 17: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Naval
      And we are not preparing the fifth column in our training courses?

      who wants to learn himself !!
      Against Basaev, then the teachers themselves could not do anything for a long time ??
    3. INTER
      INTER April 16 2013 17: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Naval
      And we are not preparing the fifth column in our training courses? Won't they start shooting us in the back? I heard that our specialists trained Basayev, he thought he would confine himself only to Abkhazia, but that’s how it turned out ..

      The main contingent of 5 columns you will find in Moscow part in St. Petersburg. Law 80/20 !!!!! Our recent deceased reason is Basaev’s investigation. But is it that 15 republics or the head are to blame for the collapse of the USSR (some did not know until recently that they had been kicked out of the composition)? I’ll answer reasonably your question, Everything is possible, as well as the capture of earthlings by UFOs, it all depends on what the will of the state, mainly the leadership, is if they want to shoot it. But at the moment the state does not want this. Since we are raising an army. hi hi hi hi soldier
      1. anarh
        anarh April 17 2013 02: 08 New
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        And the army.
        And the economy.
        FAQ is already there - and culture.

        "Recent deceased" - is this about Berezovsky?
        So is he yours?
    4. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 16 2013 17: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Naval
      And we are not preparing the fifth column in our training courses? Won't they start shooting us in the back? I heard that our specialists trained Basayev, he thought he would confine himself only to Abkhazia, but that’s how it turned out ..

      To be afraid not to walk into the forest, the Americans also created Osama and "Alkaida" for certain purposes
    5. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 16 2013 18: 40 New
      +5
      The fifth column is all sorts of Germans, bulk, etc. Not looking for her there)))
  • Alexei
    Alexei April 16 2013 17: 10 New
    +5
    What a beautiful article ... And the story, and about the mentality ... But in fact, everything is ordinary. The guys from the Caucasus are athletic and with a pronounced sense of their own exclusiveness due to their special "mentality". Which in translation from Russian into Russian means: until our boys cast aside their fears and start to fight back quickly, they will remain whipping boys, I apologize. "I was given a couple of ns - I instantly became healthy! serve, dig trenches and in boots --- what a blessing ... "
    1. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 02: 25 New
      +1
      The key word is "a sense of exclusivity."

      It is very important not to be confused with a sense of dignity.
  • timurpl
    timurpl April 16 2013 17: 11 New
    +2
    Yes, what problems, they want to serve, please ... Dagestan foreign legion!
    -and go ahead to prove to Mother Russia that you are her family, and not stepsons in red loafers!
    1. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 16 2013 17: 42 New
      0
      Quote: timurpl
      Yes, what problems, they want to serve, please ... Dagestan foreign legion!
      -and go ahead to prove to Mother Russia that you are her family, and not stepsons in red loafers!

      why divide parts by nationality, it is better to train them among Russians (I didn’t say Russians because the Tatars, Mordovians, Bashkirs Kalmyks and Nitshe serve, but here is a separate part, only because the mountaineer cannot adapt among the steppes)
  • lecturer
    lecturer April 16 2013 17: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: elmi
    High military spirit is not created by itself, out of nothing, by the mere publication of the order of the unit commander. It is formed in the process of upbringing, growing up of a person, is based on traditions and is closely connected with the national and religious identity of the warrior.

    With these words, it was possible to ONCE AGAIN (!) Finish the whole text. T.K. Raising a child depends on the position of the ego lifestyle - from CHILDHOOD, namely from 4 to 20 years old !!! IT IS TRUTH, said from ancient times the history of the development of patriotism in Russia.
  • optimist
    optimist April 16 2013 17: 37 New
    +1
    "How many wolves do not feed, but he keeps looking into the forest" .... Personally, it seems to me that preparing future militants at the state expense is not the best idea ...
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe April 16 2013 18: 19 New
      +5
      The problem with the Dagestanis is clearly a post-Soviet problem, because there were no problems with the Dagestanis in the USSR either in the institute or in the army. The most problematic were the Chechens and Georgians. The former stupidly checked everyone for lice and those who succumbed to the fullest, but Georgians are a special case, one out of a thousand was probably normal, but for the most part they are vile, cowardly, vindictive and cunning to manipulate and intrigue while lying to the marrow of bones.
      1. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 16 2013 18: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        The problem with the Dagestanis is clearly a post-Soviet problem, because there were no problems with the Dagestanis in the USSR

        Yes, and now the problem with the Dagestanis is far-fetched, from the Caucasians they are the most normal, but Chechnya, Ingushetia, there are problems there 9 and there is no need to compare the native Dagestanis with the glamorous Muscovite Dagestanis, most of whom did not serve, but in Dagestan last two years, if anyone didn’t know, such a policy was going on, did not serve, you won’t get normal work, especially in the power structures (we would have such
        1. Normal
          Normal April 16 2013 22: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: alexandr00070
          and in Dagestan in the last two years, if anyone didn’t know, such a policy was being pursued, he hadn’t served, you won’t get normal work, especially in the power structures (we would have such)

          Here! I thought I'd read the comments, then I’ll write. You literally took off the tongue.
          Our leadership, including the military, "does not know" how to cope with the Dag. they say they stray into community groups, (it is treated by distribution in parts, no more than three not part) do not obey the orders of the officers (Apparently such officers. I would like to see how someone would refuse to carry out the order of an officer in my time and in my unit. I would be a black man before demobilization, I would regret it a hundred times ...), they are engaged in extortion and other criminals (we revive disbats and punish them to the fullest extent).
          And then it is stated that the Dagestanis want to serve, they are just eager to join the army. Well known; what are you doing for that and cling. They want to serve - please! The most severe discipline and at the slightest disobedience to the sergeant or officer, dismissal with shame. Stamp the warrior! The ban on working in government agencies. An official notification to the homeland that the conscript did not justify the confidence of fellow countrymen disgraced his parents and his native village. In place of a new conscript from Dagestan who was fired right away with detailed instructions on who the soldier is and who the officer is.
          Failure to comply with the legitimate requirements of the commander - violation of the oath; guardhouse, the second violation - the term in disbath and with shame back to the mountains. They want to serve - let them serve according to the CHARTER! They want to hang out and mess around - with a shame, a kick from the ranks of the armed forces.
          We solve two problems at once - we increase the combat effectiveness, fighting spirit of the Armed Forces and educate young people both from the Caucasus and from Russia.
          True for all this, you need all-nothing: finally bring order to the sun. To make the CHARTER - the LAW, the law immutable and insurmountable for ALL.
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 16 2013 22: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Normal
            We solve two problems at once - we increase the combat effectiveness, fighting spirit of the Armed Forces and educate young people both from the Caucasus and from Russia.
            True for all this, you need all-nothing: finally bring order to the sun. To make the CHARTER - the LAW, the law immutable and insurmountable for ALL.

            It is precisely in most cases that the instability is with the connivance of the officers. from here you need to dance and educate not only Caucasians, but also, first of all, from Russian peasant defenders
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 16 2013 18: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: optimist
      "How many wolves do not feed, but he keeps looking into the forest" .... Personally, it seems to me that preparing future militants at the state expense is not the best idea ...

      Yes, listen to what the Caucasians prepare in the army? They don’t let them in high-tech units, they will learn how to disassemble and assemble the machine as much as possible. They are initially strong in sports. If they were small jerks, but they pumped them up in the army, taught the tricks and all that, then .And in the current army they are not in danger, except for studying Kalash, and even more so if they want to pick it up, it takes 1 day to figure out Kalash without going to the army.
      1. anarh
        anarh April 17 2013 02: 33 New
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        Convinced.
        Let them serve.
        "In the construction battalion there are such animals, such animals. They are not even given machine guns - only shovels, only shovels."
    3. waisson
      waisson April 16 2013 18: 39 New
      0
      full saglasen
  • elmi
    elmi April 16 2013 17: 52 New
    0
    Quote: alexandr00070
    That is, on the same rake, arm, teach, and then again knock out of the green and drive through the mountains ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, already passed.

    I do not agree with you, but what about the Chechen battalions of the GRU "East" and "West"? They didn’t run into the greenery and the mountains and didn’t shoot at us.
  • rereture
    rereture April 16 2013 18: 02 New
    +3
    Bl @, well, how many Russians can be spread rot, like deviators are all polls, wimps and cowards just do not want to serve, and over there dugs to break into the army means they are bl @ real men. Look who are the deviators - university students, and for health reasons (damn half of the patients are rowed), and what the hell is to lose a year of study, or to serve with flat feet, tachycordia, asthma?
    1. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 02: 38 New
      0
      Nah ... I doh ... I fuck ... yaril. Rass ... yar.
      The great and mighty Russian language.
      You can stand it all.
      Patriotism is good.
      But swearing is not a necessary, and not a sufficient sign of patriotism.
  • i-gor63
    i-gor63 April 16 2013 18: 12 New
    +3
    When serving at 12 months, the very word "hazing" is surprising. The question is different. When one Dagestani leads a group of young people and writes something there, when five take out almost a company and put them in a certain word, what is it. They are not sheep which can be led to the slaughter and they will silently go. I do not call for non-regulations, but if the fighters cannot stand up for themselves, how will they fight. Some come to leave, and behind their backs loom moms, dads, the so-called non-profit organizations "union of all mothers" - others break through, get the coveted ticket with a mark, then buy a place in the police or even in regional FSB. The first boys can only get lost in a gang and beat the janitor out of the doorway, and when he snapped back, they quickly hit me at their relatives, black bastards beat me. Further, it is clear that servicemen from the Caucasus never ask combat readiness. For them, the Russian army is zilch, springboard. Summoning them is a political move - you are all equal. For the army, they are useless. In any crisis, they will be the first to cross. Well, one more thing. We only hear about the Daghs, and where are the Kabardians, Balkars, Circassians, Karachais in the end. Or is it just Dagi that supermen build everyone?
    1. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 16 2013 18: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: i-gor63
      The question is different. When one Dagestani takes out a group of young people and writes something there, when five take out almost a company and put them in a certain word, that’s what it is. They are not sheep who can be slaughtered and they will go silently. I don’t call for graduation, but if the soldiers cannot stand up for themselves, how they will fight.

      just one sergeant of the Caucasus is enough to spoil the army’s life, and you’ll touch the building like glass containers, and this is a violation of the charter
    2. mehanik27
      mehanik27 April 17 2013 08: 18 New
      0
      Dags are usually understood as representatives of any nationality of the North Caucasus. And Kabarbins are good, and Balkars and Circassians and Karachais, and so on, including Abaza.
  • waisson
    waisson April 16 2013 18: 27 New
    0
    Guys! Dagestanis as a whole are very good and helpful people. people but maybe yes but not current youth
  • busido
    busido April 16 2013 18: 27 New
    +1
    Here are the words, unfortunately not named in the article, by Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev uttered in 1881.““ The experience of recent years has convinced us that if a Russian person accidentally remembers that, thanks to his history, he belongs to a great and strong people, if, God forbid, the same Russian person accidentally remembers that the Russian people are one family with the Slavic tribe, now tormented and trampled upon, then in the midst of homegrown and foreign foreigners cries of indignation rise ... ""

    "As a result of vague military ideals, a lack of worthy of imitation examples, and sometimes their public humiliation or treacherous suppression, disappointment in the past and resentment towards the present are born, smoothly turning into a dull expectation of the future. This is a symptom of the disease of the nation's spirit. Defeat is a natural product of extinct national self-awareness. . With such a mental attitude stretched over decades, it is impossible either to live with the initiative, or to win. "


    Dagestan peoples are few in number. This is already a question of self-preservation and self-identity. Therefore, they firmly hold on to each other at the everyday level, that at the historical level. They remember their true heroes from the cradle. Looking back, we are so "used" to our diverse (if it is it happens), extensive heroism, which, as they say, is “boring.” This is “boring” with the same anecdotes about Chapaev! In my time, we perceived its essence, meaning not through anecdotes, but knew from the stories of elders, books and movies. Chapaevtsev "in the courtyards, what on the board. And now many of them are comical" heroes. "There is no sensible propaganda. But it is also" boring "sponsored by constant screams, as Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev said.
    "Mr. Donogo and his associate - Doctor of Historical Sciences, Leading Researcher, Republican Institute of History, archeology and ethnography of the Dadaevs in their speeches emphasized in every possible way the aggressiveness of Russian policy in the Caucasus, chauvinism allegedly inherent in the Russian people, and the desire of the tsarist authorities to physically destroy the Muslims of the Caucasus, to eradicate their faith. "


    The same monument to the commander who almost conquered the Ottomans was destroyed after the revolution. Here and memory.
    But children are playing "war". Believe me, they are playing in Moscow. So not everything is so critical, not everything is so bad.
    1. busido
      busido April 16 2013 18: 28 New
      0
      And at the expense of the service of the guys from Dagestan, I can cite one more statement that was here on the site on a similar topic, only with the sign "do not serve Dagestanis in the army."
      "They are excellent builders, they are passed down from generation to generation at the gene level, especially masons. I will not say about the" Czechs "... although there was only one" Czech ", but I give my word for the mass of the peoples of Dagestan and the Kabardians. Long live" Avar separate construction battalion of special purpose. "And the command staff of these battalions should also be formed from among them, because respect and respect for the elders are also at the genetic level. By the way, the RF Ministry of Defense would be a plus in terms of exemplary discipline in army units. Plus, with its real attitude. to the point, they would definitely raise the prestige of this type of troops. And in 5-10 years, to say "construction battalion, the seventh special rapid reaction regiment" would sound not a mockery, but a fact deserving respect. Any changes always take time, but decisions made hastily ( especially in the army), as a rule, lead to Cannes. And the method of Caesar, divide and rule, is not effective in the army. And the joke about the construction battalion would sound more accurate and realistic. yska, they say, in general, animals, they don't even give them machines.

      Together they need to serve. Together. There is no need to be afraid of this. One generation will grow up and the situation will resolve by itself. Only this will happen if the corresponding work is carried out "a la" by political departments on the ground and not only 17 button channel "Zvezda" in the masses. It is necessary to work, and not to "Serdyukovshchina" to be engaged. That's it, that's it.
      Ps I respect Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev!
      http://www.st-tatiana.ru/text/1220561.html
      1. anarh
        anarh April 17 2013 03: 09 New
        +1
        The point is that political departments are always "a la".
        Some unreal picture: "The political instructor re-educated a company of Caucasians"
        "A company of the sons of the North re-educated 2 sons of the Caucasus." - the picture is more real.
        And an even more real picture "EXIT RECRUITMENT recruits the most WORTHY
        (and not exceptional) sons of the Caucasus.
        Exceptional let them sit at home and exclude each other.
  • rereture
    rereture April 16 2013 18: 28 New
    +4
    Let’s respect the people, and don’t engage in self-flagellation, it’s only audible: young people are dumb, uneducated, brainwashed, with changed values, who is not an athlete, that is an addict, an alcoholic, deviators are all polite, mother's sons, girls of all easy virtue, not at all that are not capable, missing, without conscience and shame. And so YOU ​​call the new generation, the future of the country.
    1. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 03: 11 New
      0
      Let's.
      And for starters, get rid of familiarities.
      Especially from the familiarity of the younger in relation to the elders.
  • von_Richten
    von_Richten April 16 2013 18: 46 New
    +3
    "Just a hundred years ago, the inhabitants of the mighty Russian Empire felt quite happy, self-sufficient and self-confident, in their great country, boldly looking into the future. And if it were not for the groaning of poets and writers, journalists of the Silver Age, always looking for a different, better life and so that confused the minds of fellow citizens, not a revolution started on the money of enemies of the Motherland and supported by the fifth column, then Russia today would be the first country in the world in absolutely all respects. "
    BOLD MINUS. I did not read further. How tired of these moans. Russia of that time (late 19th - early 20th centuries) was a backward agrarian country, heavily in debt, unable to wage war, and most of the industry was in the hands of foreigners.
    1. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 03: 21 New
      -2
      Quote: von_Richten
      and most of the industry was in the hands of foreigners.


      Did foreigners tell you this?
      1. von_Richten
        von_Richten April 17 2013 16: 27 New
        0
        Yeah, and these foreigners are called Logic and Facts.
  • rereture
    rereture April 16 2013 18: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: Yeraz
    Sporty they are initially strong


    They are so athletic and strong that they attack en masse, beat the speed bump, and, just in case, a miscarriage in your pocket.
    And yes, how many Dagestanis were called up from the Moscow region?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 20: 44 New
      -3
      Quote: rereture
      They are so athletic and strong that they attack en masse, beat the speed bump, and, just in case, a miscarriage in your pocket.

      Well, this is not true and self-justification))))))))
      They beat the lying only possible and then right, you do not need to give the opportunity to stand up to the one who vomited!
      Although I was taught not to beat the recumbent, but I think this is wrong!
      This is correct in life situations, and not in a fight against inappropriate drunkards!
      1. rereture
        rereture April 16 2013 20: 48 New
        0
        Self-justification of what?)
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 16 2013 21: 40 New
          0
          Quote: rereture
          Self-justification of what?)

          Your weakness !!
          One on one, any Caucasian athlete will tear a goner !!
          1. rereture
            rereture April 16 2013 21: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            One on one, any Caucasian athlete will tear a goner !!


            That they all said)
            1. rereture
              rereture April 16 2013 22: 17 New
              0
              The goner is an extremely weakened person close to death.

              Athlete - a person engaged in sports or physical education.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 22 New
                -1
                Quote: rereture
                The goner is an extremely weakened person close to death.

                Athlete - a person engaged in sports or physical education.

                so am I about it 90 percent of Caucasians are athletes!
                75 percent of Russian goners!
                Is not it??
                what kind of crowd are you talking about?
                I saw physically very strong people I will not name nationality, which one-on-one passed in front of a Caucasian who is two heads lower!
                I saw a Russian who was left with me against six Englishmen, and seven other Russians simply left !!
                The question is parenting !!
                1. rereture
                  rereture April 16 2013 22: 32 New
                  +1
                  I've seen a lot too. And I will see a lot. But to boast that "90 percent of Caucasians are athletes" and "They beat a lying person is only possible and that is correct" and offend "75 percent of Russians are goners", and that "One on one any Caucasian athlete will tear a goner !!" it's stupid and sounds like a blatant show off.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: rereture
                    that "One on one any Caucasian athlete will tear a goner !!" it's stupid and sounds like a blatant show off.

                    do not touch))))
                    I wrote that how many percent of the giants you have, and even I tell you, often very physically strong guys of your nationality give in to the gains from the Caucasus, because there is no spirit !!
                    and it’s true and you know it !!!
                    This is the site of all the officers and everyone will tear anyone!
                    Let's go out together and walk down the street any !!
                    1. rereture
                      rereture April 16 2013 22: 48 New
                      +3
                      Here again, you try to rub in me that the best nations in the world live in the Caucasus, and insult the Russians with gains. From your posts smacks of nationalism. And I believe that everyone is equal and everyone is worthy of respect.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 16 2013 23: 02 New
                        0
                        Quote: rereture
                        And I believe that everyone is equal and everyone is worthy of respect.

                        So I think so!
                        it’s just that you write a lie about the fact that a crowd of Caucasians are attacking you and they also kicked them out!
                        This is self-justification and non-recognition of weakness!
                        Big lie!
                      2. rereture
                        rereture April 16 2013 23: 11 New
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                        I just came across this in person. When 3 people and one of them threaten you with a knife, and then they break a skull, as it is not before fairy tales. But the fact that passers-by didn’t give a damn about what was happening in the yard, yes. Although they called an ambulance, that’s okay.
                    2. alexandr00070
                      alexandr00070 April 16 2013 23: 05 New
                      -2
                      Quote: rereture
                      Here again, you try to rub in me that the best nations in the world live in the Caucasus, and insult the Russians with gains. From your posts smacks of nationalism. And I believe that everyone is equal and everyone is worthy of respect.

                      You know, he’s right in something, but you don’t, he does not insult, but states the facts, but everyone is worthy of respect, but as an individual, and as a warrior in the army, a strong, morally savvy, technically competent soldier, not a smoker, deserves respect with a fast food belly and a beer that cannot pull up 2-4 times, let alone run a hundred meters. So respect must be earned
        2. anarh
          anarh April 17 2013 03: 47 New
          +1
          What's this.
          Any Cossack ten girly Caucasians will tear.
          And so, of course.
          One on one. Athlete on a gait.
          Why not break it.
          Of course it will tear.
          Do not feed bread - it will break.
    2. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 03: 39 New
      0
      Right.
      It is right to consider it wrong.
      You never know what was taught.
      First, they taught not to beat YOURSELF.
      and respect taught YOURS.
      Secondly - why are they vyzhivayutsya., The rotten bazaar is being driven, like "we do not want to endure rudeness from visitors on our land"
    3. mehanik27
      mehanik27 April 17 2013 08: 19 New
      0
      That's right, and some still shot in, just in case ... otherwise you never get up.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 16 2013 20: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: rereture
    Quote: Yeraz
    Sporty they are initially strong


    They are so athletic and strong that they attack en masse, beat the speed bump, and, just in case, a miscarriage in your pocket.
    And yes, how many Dagestanis were called up from the Moscow region?

    Incidentally, the result of hazing is not so much in resistance as in spirit.
    If Caucasians attack with a crowd because of fear, then what the fucking thing is 2-3 Caucasians build people 10-15 and write anything with foam, spread rot in different ways. And I don’t need here about article 282 they say they will plant and something else, honor above criminal punishment. If you say a word that offends your seven to a Caucasian will kill without thinking about prison. And the Russians found an excuse saying the law, if the law is against you, then cut a couple of three so that the state understands that we need to take the situation in hand. But considering Russia, the term is my hut from the edge, this will not happen for a long time.
    This is such a degradation when last year 1 dag and 1 Azerbaijanian, who was not a native of the Russian Federation, built 10 people and write on their backs Azerbaijan, Baku and Dagesmtan. What 10 can’t breathe out 2 ??? Or are these 2 the size of Valuev, dexterity Bruce Lee and Klitschko's sledgehammer ??
    So it’s not necessary here, you can only be mobbed, the situation in the Russian army proves the opposite
    1. rereture
      rereture April 16 2013 21: 07 New
      +1
      The opposite? There was a case, the two also tried to build, their stump was clear, they were dying, so you know what happened? From the nearest town they called their own, came to restore order.

      Here is another case.
      http://svpressa.ru/society/article/58916/

      Quote: Yeraz
      A Caucasian will kill without thinking about the prison.


      That is why there is no order, because we do not respect the law.

      Quote: Yeraz
      if the law is against you, then cut a couple of three so that the state understands that we need to take the situation in hand


      So no one accepts, any actions actions are interpreted as nationalism and inciting ethnic hatred.
    2. rereture
      rereture April 16 2013 21: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Yeraz
      figs 2-3 Caucasians build people 10-15 and write anything with foam, spread rot in different ways


      And before that, individual work with each of 10-15, where 2-3 for one.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 21: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: rereture
        And before that, individual work with each of 10-15, where 2-3 for one

        Mlyn, you love fairy tales and self-justification, therefore, and in this position)))))
        We must not be afraid to get stars and be friendly, that's all !!)))
        When I studied in the West, of all the Russian students with me, only two were brave and courageous, one from the Urals, the other from Pyatigorsk, the remaining 16 were NOTHING !!
        1. rereture
          rereture April 16 2013 22: 07 New
          +1
          And then self-justification? I am only for friendship and mutual respect. He walked around the city with friends, a campaign of 4 people of Caucasian appearance ... reached the old man, but in the fray (we were 3rd) they turned out to be a crap.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 30 New
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            Quote: rereture
            And then self-justification?

            how ??? ??? you consider your individual case as a tribute!))
            Do not want to see your weakness!
            I love Russians, but those who respect themselves, let him be physically weak, but it’s enough that he would be a man!
            Here is not one Dagestan or a Chechen, a highlander will NEVER be able to act with me unjustly, even if physically will be a hundred times stronger than me !!!!
            Why do you think so?
            1. rereture
              rereture April 16 2013 22: 38 New
              +1
              Firstly, I do not take it for granted, and secondly, what did the old grandfather do to them, whom they insulted, and shoved?
              And what do you think we should do, leave the old man?

              Quote: Yarbay
              Here is not one Dagestan or a Chechen, a highlander will NEVER be able to act with me unjustly, even if physically will be a hundred times stronger than me !!!!
              Why do you think so?
              from sumy to prison do not promise.
              It is because of such show-offs that conflicts occur.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 41 New
                0
                Quote: rereture
                Firstly, I do not take it for granted, and secondly, what did the old grandfather do to them, whom they insulted, and shoved?
                And what do you think we should do, leave the old man?

                Well, I do not believe you !!
                Ordinary tales to make excuses and invented stories!
                They did not convince me !!
                Quote: rereture
                from sumy to prison do not promise.

                And then this is a prison ??
                You see, your mentality cannot even digest this situation, that’s your trouble !!
                And the prison !! ??
                Read my question carefully !!
                1. rereture
                  rereture April 16 2013 22: 42 New
                  +1
                  It's a saying. Tales? go down in the subway in Moscow or in St. Petersburg.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: rereture
                    go down in the subway in Moscow or in St. Petersburg.

                    Do you understand my question ??
                2. rereture
                  rereture April 16 2013 22: 52 New
                  +1
                  Judging by your comment and the number of exclamation points I can answer.

                  Spirit. I'm right?
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: rereture
                    Judging by your comment and the number of exclamation points I can answer.

                    No, I’ve been here for a long time and the guys all know that I always write with a lot of exclamation points, when I learned to write on a computer, I got used to it, but I studied late far after 30 !! This is just a habit, it's more convenient for me!

                    There is no spirit, you do not understand the question !!
                    Rather, they thought of something else !!
                    1. rereture
                      rereture April 16 2013 23: 00 New
                      +1
                      Let's finish the srach and the showdown of whose nation is better. And begin to respect each other)
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay April 16 2013 23: 11 New
                      +1
                      Quote: rereture
                      Let's finish the srach and the showdown of whose nation is better. And begin to respect each other)

                      My dear, I'm not talking about the nation))))
                      I'm not talking about who is better !!
                      Among my fellow tribesmen there are also different people, I knowingly said that my fellow countrymen did the worst for me !!
                      This is not the question; you simply wrote a common lie to justify the weakness of some of your representatives, that’s all!
                      I respect Russians, but again those who respect themselves and others, as well as in other nations !!
                      It’s not srach, but the answer to my question is simple, I’m not alone on this EARTH, I have elders, I have younger ones among relatives !! Elders will not allow ANYONE to act unfairly with me, I will not allow ANYONE in this world to do unfairly with the younger !!!
                      We are relatives !!
                      I will never reach unjustly someone, so that they do not blush, and so everywhere and this is important, not physical strength !!
                      with respect!
                    3. rereture
                      rereture April 16 2013 23: 16 New
                      +1
                      You know, we still came to an understanding) hi
  • Anti
    Anti April 16 2013 22: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    Incidentally, the result of hazing is not so much in resistance as in spirit


    That's right, the "grandfathers" have no nationality.
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 April 16 2013 22: 17 New
      +1
      where does hazing come when we talk about fraternity ?????
      1. Anti
        Anti April 16 2013 22: 28 New
        0
        Quote: mehanik27
        where does hazing come when we talk about fraternity ?????


        I actually put in my three pennies, to the post above, but draftees, regardless of nationality, drafted from the same region or republic or city, are also fellow countrymen or?
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 April 16 2013 23: 05 New
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          Yes, but there are not so many Russians called up from the North Caucasus Federal District, with the exception of Stavropol.
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 16 2013 23: 08 New
            0
            Quote: mehanik27
            Yes, but there are not so many Russians called up from the North Caucasus Federal District, with the exception of Stavropol.

            Forgot Kuban and Rostovites,
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 April 16 2013 23: 23 New
              0
              Since January 2010, Krasnodar Territory and Rostov Region have been part of the Southern Federal District, learn the materiel laughing Guess whose decree ????
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 31 New
        0
        Quote: mehanik27
        where does hazing come when we talk about fraternity ?????

        The question is not even in fraternity, but in people close to each other in spirit!
        In my life, my compatriots have done the most for me, apart from the Armenians !!
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 April 16 2013 23: 03 New
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          it means that you have come across such fellow countrymen. In conditions when everything and everyone around is unfamiliar, the first people you become one with at the same time are fellow countrymen. This is what the representatives of the Caucasus do, unlike the Russians. For the sake of justice, such passions sometimes happen in their community, but they they try not to advertise.
  • lobik
    lobik April 16 2013 19: 07 New
    +1
    I believe that Russia does not need Caucasians conscripts. They will never work, physically and combat training is yes. But the conscripts are needed not only for this, but to serve half as well, why the hell. Do you need them for conflicts with other nations? to my children?
    1. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 16 2013 22: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: lobik
      I believe that Russia does not need Caucasians conscripts. They will never work, physically and combat training is yes. But the conscripts are needed not only for this, but to serve half as well, why should it be. Recruit them for conflicts with other nations?

      But the figurines, in the event of hostilities, the Slavs are again under the bullets, and then the national minorities will then take the monuments to the winners ... No, shout all that they are Russians, so forward with machine guns
  • Anon
    Anon April 16 2013 19: 10 New
    0
    Because the bartsuhi-bratuhi and jackals. I had one familiar doug in the late 90s - the same type. With their own concepts, different from thieves.
  • Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 16 2013 19: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: rereture
    Let’s respect the people, and don’t engage in self-flagellation, it’s only audible: young people are dumb, uneducated, brainwashed, with changed values, who is not an athlete, that is an addict, an alcoholic, deviators are all polite, mother's sons, girls of all easy virtue, not at all that are not capable, missing, without conscience and shame. And so YOU ​​call the new generation, the future of the country.

    Well done! A great answer to the eternal whiners on this site! In the current young generation, there are a lot of normal guys who want something in life, they are not afraid, they don’t prick. They are ready to stand up for themselves in any conditions. Yes, there is a large layer of drug addicts and other imperfections. They have one good feature - they don’t live, and offspring are usually not left.
    And what about the attitude towards Dagestanis among the Russians, then two Chechen wars made themselves felt.
    On average, we Russians cannot distinguish a Chechen from a Tabasaran or Lezgin, naively thinking that they have only one thing in their minds ..
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. April 16 2013 19: 23 New
    +3
    All nationalities served in the Soviet Army. "My, yours, do not understand" was all too often, but nothing, it took a little time, everyone mastered "Russian" and continued to serve normally. There were no questions about the draft at all. There was a law and everyone followed it. Hazing flourished, only our own Russians pressed us. The Caucasians kept themselves apart, mostly in the service platoon. There were Chechens, Ingush, Armenians, Azerbaijanis. And even an Armenian is a friend of a comrade and brother for an Azerbaijanian in a foreign land (he served in ZABVO), about Karabakh then in the USSR they did not know. So it’s an empty question, everyone should serve wherever they are sent. Let the officers perform their duties conscientiously, everything that is happening in the army is their fault, and the Russians should be friendlier and fight back.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 April 16 2013 19: 41 New
      0
      SHOCK.
      "Better let the officers perform their duties conscientiously, everything that happens in the army is their fault, but the Russians should be more friendly and fight back."
      Who would argue, just look at what rights his duties are reinforced, and it turns out that the sergeant of the police has more rights than the army officer. And we will play with the Dagistanis, among them there are the most scumbags, the latest murders in Rostov, St. Petersburg, young guys this is confirmation. If Merzaev received a real term, and he would be forever excommunicated from professional sports, this might not have happened.
    2. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 16 2013 22: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      All nationalities served in the Soviet Army. "My, yours, don't understand" was all too often, but nothing, a little time passed, everyone mastered "Russian" and continued to serve normally.

      It was like a call from Transcarpathia arrived, so there were individuals
    3. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 16 2013 22: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      All nationalities served in the Soviet Army. "My, yours, do not understand" was all too often, but nothing, a little time passed, everyone mastered "Russian" and continued to serve normally

      There were more than 80 nationalities in my subdivision for 20 people on the payroll. Comrades who "came down from the mountains for salt" mastered Russian quickly. At first, they thoroughly mastered Russian mat, and then it came to normal communication. But there were also sly ones, like "you don't understand mine until a year," and after a year "it is not allowed"
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 April 16 2013 19: 34 New
    +1
    Nothing will change, and everything will return to what has already taken place. Such gulp problems of larger and smaller ones with these same conscripts ... One just asks - why again step on the same rake that they have already stepped on? ..
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b April 16 2013 19: 57 New
    +6
    Army and Moms (Committee of Soldiers' Mothers) - concepts are incompatible! Moraism is complete !!!
  • lobik
    lobik April 16 2013 20: 56 New
    0
    It is necessary to change the charter, why should a slave be made from conscripts in peacetime? 21 centuries, and there is legalized slavery.
    1. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 16 2013 22: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: lobik
      It is necessary to change the charter, why should a slave be made from conscripts in peacetime? 21 centuries, and there is legalized slavery.

      This is who told you about slavery. And as without a conscript, in Israel women even serve without exception, and we have some conscripts like women. and still do not compare the size of your country and ours, ours will have to be protected in any way, so who
  • de klermon
    de klermon April 16 2013 21: 10 New
    +1
    The author of the article asks, what is the difference between the mutation of consciousness of Russian children and Caucasians? And he starts about Chapay and Shamil ... This is certainly great, but ... naive !!! Raise a "botanist" who knows absolutely everything about Nevsky, Donskoy, Suvorov, Zhukov and ... NI CHEGO will not change! As they beat the Slavs in the barracks, they will! Until the Caucasians understand that if they did something wrong with the Slav, of whom the absolute majority are in the barracks, then the punishment (answer) will be lightning fast, severe, such that it is more suitable to approach a guy of "non-Caucasian" appearance without a guilty smile "Dzhigits" will not dare, then there will be no such problems in the barracks !!! Moreover, it is important that I mean NOT THE PHYSICAL DISTRIBUTION! We are talking about a set of measures, from the inevitability of disciplinary responsibility, to the realization of the monolithic unity of the "non-Caucasian part" of the barracks !!!

    PS A few words about upbringing ... 90s - 2000s Russian guys lived in an atmosphere of absolute decay: dirt, stench, theft of perestroika, a time when the word Motherland was equated with idiocy and narrow-mindedness, the guys were brought up in absolute awareness that one must be able first of all, "nadybat attendants", around all the wolves, it is better to steal than to fight! And how did the Caucasians grow up? They grew and still grow ON WAR !!! The logic there is simple: if you do not know how to kill, they will kill you! And more ... Not all of them, but very many, were raised with a feeling of deep hatred, enmity and ... contempt for the weak and divided Russians, unable to stand up for themselves !!!
    And ... just in case, I note that this is not speculation and conjecture! In the Caucasus, there is only one rule - strength respects only strength, to a large extent the strength of spirit and brotherhood among its own!
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 April 16 2013 22: 13 New
      +4
      That’s all right, it’s just that most of the hamsters have huge pink glasses here. My last doubts were dispelled by the dad of a modest Caucasian warrior, which I called into the unit a little more believing in the power of the elders in the Caucasus (although before that one dag had explained 26 years to me that he’s already a hefty forehead with a higher education and that the old ones will say deep purple to him). So dad just repeated the words of his son, saying that what is it that my son is messing around .. they say the Russians are here, and they need to be milked, they pigs
  • Mite27
    Mite27 April 16 2013 21: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle
    ShturmKGB
    Ideological work in the Caucasus should be restored

    Isn't it necessary to restore ideological work in Russia? Raise skinny beer and internet lovers, underage alcoholics, and just orphans with living parents. The youth of the Caucasus are spiritually healthier than the Russians, they honor their parents, their wives are submissive to their husbands. There are no drunks, neither are homosexuals. And we Russians are a herd without a shepherd. Only the Orthodox still preserve the true values, but worldly "values" penetrate our consciousness, poisoning it. So the entire population of Russia needs education, even the mountaineers, even the steppe people, even the townspeople. But who will be this teacher, that's the question ...

    here, buggers are to blame for everything!
    1. anarh
      anarh April 17 2013 03: 53 New
      0
      And cyclists.
  • Black
    Black April 16 2013 21: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    Army and Moms (Committee of Soldiers' Mothers) - concepts are incompatible! Moraism is complete !!!

    I agree. But why did this problem arise - hazing - cruel and merciless.
    It is necessary to solve this problem, and the indifference of the officers, once and for all, and the mother will forget the way there.
    About kakkaztsev in the army. The problem is not in them, the problem is again in the officers. Neither the Avar nor the Chechen will be spoiled by the strong. you can not cope, a report, dosvidos.
    here they see a problem in that the guys then remain in Russia. Well then? -We live in one country! What, Dagestan- reservation? Why can't they stay where they see fit? Is crime increasing? - We have the POLICE, they can’t cope, the report dosvidos!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      I agree. But why did this problem arise - hazing - cruel and merciless.
      It is necessary to solve this problem, and the indifference of the officers, once and for all, and the mother will forget the way there.
      About kakkaztsev in the army. The problem is not in them, the problem is again in the officers

      I fully support!
      That's right !!
    2. mehanik27
      mehanik27 April 16 2013 23: 07 New
      0
      What a terrible hamster, why don’t you go to the army to show how to cheerfully put an Avar and a Chechen in a stall ????
  • alitet
    alitet April 16 2013 21: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    Even the Russians living in the Caucasus are very different in mentality and perception from the Muscovites, for example, the same Cossacks !! I will give one more example!

    Well, you blurted out !!! No words!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 22: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: alitet
      Well, you blurted out !!! No words!

      I just don't want to talk !!
      But believe it this way !!
      At least those who live in the Caucasus do not have that indifference to relatives and friends as in other parts of Russia !!
      with respect!
  • lobik
    lobik April 16 2013 21: 55 New
    0
    Yes, you can’t take them into the army. They are wolves. And this is true ....
    1. Anti
      Anti April 16 2013 22: 01 New
      0
      Quote: lobik
      Yes, you can’t take them into the army. They are wolves. And this is trueaaaa ...



      Wolves afraid to not go to the forest? winked
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt April 16 2013 21: 56 New
    +1
    You read the comments and you understand that for the most part they say that the people are really a storehouse of wisdom, and the feeling of internationalism has not completely disappeared. The events of the late XX and the beginning of the XXI century, another twenty years will be reflected in our national relations, and further, everything will depend on the desire of the authorities to pursue a balanced international and foreign policy.
  • ed65b
    ed65b April 16 2013 21: 58 New
    +1
    provocative anti-Russian statements were made, sometimes resembling hidden threats. For example, this was made in a speech by a foreign guest, candidate of historical sciences Mayrbek Vachagaev, the former plenipotentiary representative of the murdered leader of Chechen separatists Maskhadov in Moscow, and now president of the French Association for Caucasian Studies and analyst of the American non-governmental organization Jamestown Foundation, whose leaders include a large "friend" of Russia Zbignev Brzezinski and former CIA director James Woolsey.
    And who let this horseradish in Russia and gave a visa ??? And why is he not in the kolyma?
    Regarding the Dagestanis, I served with both the Dagestanis and the Chechens, there were absolutely no problems, only a positive opinion about the Dagestanis. With the Chechens there were hackers, and then the Grozny people resolved all issues with the "mountain" themselves as the "mountain" others (this was the city's saying) In general, there were a lot of things, but .... maybe the time has changed the youth. my son came from the army last year, served in Plesetsk, a part of the charter, officers were tin. There is no non-regulation at all, he served with a Dagestani only positive reviews. As the commander puts on the service, so the soldier will behave.
  • AnpeL
    AnpeL April 16 2013 22: 22 New
    0
    Quote: elmi
    Quote: alexandr00070
    You’re wrong, it's not conscripts, but we’re talking about stitching,

    And what do you suggest? How to solve the problem? By 1 man in the company? it’s possible this is the way out, and it’s possible the harm is why: when I was in training, we had an incident in a border guard - in one of the frontier outposts of 1 a Caucasian shot at night the entire outpost of sleeping people. I can’t say the exact reason for the execution, but the guys say he was harassed by jokes, he was little familiar with modern technology, TV players, etc. he joked that when I shot everyone, no one believed and did not attach importance to the abandoned words, and when he shot them they understood but late. That such a story happened. When I got to the outpost myself, there wasn’t a lot of hazing because everyone had access to weapons, and we had a Caucasian at the outpost - (I don’t know the nationality, therefore I say Caucasian, I hope no one will be offended), so no one let go of offensive jokes to him.

    this is also a topic for discussion. After all, if they make fun of, make fun of a Russian (Mordovian, Chuvash, Udmurt, Karelian ugr, etc. it does not matter) person, he perceives a joke as a joke. if the joke is offensive, then it can really come to a fight, insults, conflicts. But, as a rule, non-savage people sooner or later move away from grievances and try to mutually “hush up” the misunderstandings that have arisen, thereby, as it were, exhausting the conflict. But why do some people have animal habits, when conflicts can only be settled by revenge with blood, murder and others ...
    1. rereture
      rereture April 16 2013 22: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Yeraz
      If they said a word insulting your seven to a Caucasian will kill without thinking about the prison
  • MY THOUGHT
    MY THOUGHT April 16 2013 22: 22 New
    +2
    in our region in Smolensk, the rocking chair is free, 10 people go there and everyone is at least 25 admittance free, CHILDREN RIGHT TO DRINK IT NEEDED, otherwise by 18 years old they look like 13 year olds and apart from the computer they cannot have a rena, it’s a sin not to force their toilet to clean when you broke your ears when you were 9 years old on a wrestling training session!
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 April 16 2013 23: 11 New
      0
      In what area .. Sitnik il Popovka ???
  • 1goose3
    1goose3 April 16 2013 23: 14 New
    +1
    Dear author, everything was written correctly, only some conclusions were made by some rotten ones. It turns out that the Dagestanis are to blame for everything because their youth is tearing into the army, and tearing because .... But why is our youth not rushing into the army, although there are quite a few exceptions, why today we don’t even have a single textbook of our own history, why were the brains of our children given to the Western pink-blue, swampy materiel using the teaching aids used in our schools? This has been said, much has been said, but as about something not important, it is important that there are Dagestanis, Caucasians, etc.
    In general, he believed the author that he did not like the Dagestanis, but did not believe that he was worried about our army, and the same for Russia.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 17 2013 02: 03 New
    0
    One way or another, when serving in the Army, it should be noted their national, strong friendship, solidarity. And if there are even several of them, they will always repulse not always the statutory relations on the part of those who have served more. And the fact that, as a rule, they speak Russian badly or do not speak at all, passes quickly, the Russian mat grabs flight. Remember who served in Soviet times, who were elders and warrant officers as assistants? Heads of warehouses, heads of canteens, senior cooks, etc. This distinguished them from our guys - dedication to the senior in rank, responsibility.
  • UFO
    UFO April 17 2013 05: 19 New
    0
    All hi In a nutshell: Colossal funds are invested in the disunity of the peoples inhabiting Russia (including through the media), they hit where it is "thinner" - according to the difference in mentality and religiosity. At this stage - the call from the Caucasus will only aggravate the situation, Caucasians behave decently while they are at home. Until we start winning the "ideological battle," it is better to leave the "status quo", otherwise, reports from the "front" will soon be sent back to our Armed Forces. yes
  • mojohed
    mojohed April 17 2013 06: 27 New
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    Reports from the front in the troops are already underway. I heard, here, said one mother. The son from near Chelyabinsk got to a military town near Tyumen. 5 Dagestanis were brought to the same appeal. A week later, the lieutenants did not touch them and gave them a separate cubicle. Russians and other non-Caucasians are beaten mercilessly. Put yourself so to speak.
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 April 17 2013 08: 21 New
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      Well, what do you want, such lieutenants went, and how could they be able to do something with the Caucasians, if there was no one left in the army who still had experience.
  • ed65b
    ed65b April 17 2013 09: 03 New
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    Now again mothers will begin to hysteria, the son will be beaten mercilessly by the officers, they mock me - 5 dugs to roll in part 2 fingers, it’s good to tell tales about the poor exhausted, round-the-clock beaten up Russian soldiers soldier-fed Caucasians and sold officers. If the son of Chukhan and forgot the last time he washed and erased, then his fate is this and it can be Caucasian and Chuvash and Latvian. To a neat fit young man in any place, the attitude is different.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 17 2013 18: 03 New
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    Yes, nothing of the kind!

    In addition, women's education and single-parent families practically do not give the opportunity for Russian children to become real men. And they are perceived by others accordingly.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 17 2013 18: 03 New
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    Yes, nothing of the kind!

    In addition, women's education and single-parent families practically do not give the opportunity for Russian children to become real men. And they are perceived by others accordingly.
  • alexandr00070
    alexandr00070 April 17 2013 23: 33 New
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    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "You will soon be leaving home and running away here" - the international peace in the Stavropol Territory seems to have remained only on paper. Dozens of detainees, knives, barrels, fights, murders - the region has become a new zone of instability in Russia.

    The MK correspondent traveled around the Stavropol Territory and realized that the region is on the verge of a large-scale ethnic conflict, the economic situation is depressing, the outflow of the indigenous population is increasing, and the locals themselves call their region Russian Kosovo.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Over the past few months in the region there have been several significant incidents that caused a resounding reaction. In May last year, in the Oktyabrsky farm in the Grachevsky district, the shepherd Magomedov, claiming pasture, stabbed a local farmer, father of two children, Valery Shreiner, with a knife. In July, Albakov and Malsagov at the Kislovodsk train station attacked a Russian officer who came with his family to rest in Kislovodsk. On February 23, in Stavropol, a police officer of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the KCR, Mamaev, opened fire in the city center. On February 7, Caucasians attacked the Cossacks in Stavropol, one of them, an athlete Maxim Spasibov, was put in intensive care due to a knife wound. After a verbal skirmish, a fight broke out. Maxim Spasibov, a professional athlete, despite the numerical advantage of opponents, began to scatter them in different directions, one of the attackers took out a knife and stuck it in Maxim’s stomach, scrolling several times. Two days after the incident, a spontaneous gathering of citizens gathered, 54 people were detained. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    read just the topic

    http://roskazak.ru/stavropolie-prevrashaetsya-v-kosovo-konflikti-russkih-i-migra
    ntov /
  • alexandr00070
    alexandr00070 April 18 2013 00: 02 New
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    That's what they would think in the Kremlin
  • sleepy
    sleepy April 18 2013 03: 27 New
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    Whoever remembers the old, that eye ...

    "This is not the first time on the website" Voennoye Obozreniye "such a topic as the next refusal of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to call for military service is raised
    young people from the North Caucasus republics.
    At the same time, there were no clear explanations about the purpose for which the call for military service of citizens of Russia was limited this time,
    however, the reason is well known to everyone, and without additional spreading of thought on the tree. The point is in the fight against army hazing or, more simply, with hazing. The Ministry of Defense believes that the rejection of "services"
    guys from the Caucasus in terms of their service in the ranks of the Armed Forces, will help to restore order in the Russian army. In addition, there is a version that the refusal is due to the unwillingness of the Ministry of Defense to "train" militants in its ranks, who for some reason are stubbornly seen only among representatives of Caucasian nationalities ... "

    http://topwar.ru/15711-ne-hodit-tebe-shamil-vo-soldaty.html#comment-id-421485
  • Urrry
    Urrry April 18 2013 17: 04 New
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    I agree with the article only partially.
    It is unproductive to look for sources for "growth of strength" exclusively in history. The historical past is an important point, but it is still a "backward look". We need a look ahead, we need an idea not behind - but ahead, large-scale, great, exciting in the soul delight and desire to act, build, create. Only the greatness of the idea can ignite the Russian person, he is stupidly not enough Western incentives: "a chicken in the oven and a Cadillac in the garage." A similar idea will appear - and the Russian nation will rise. And without this, no jealousy of the "Caucasians" for their current passionarity will help.
    And blaming the Caucasians for it is unfair and stupid. Are they not really to blame for the decline in the energy of the Russian nation due to the loss of some kind of incendiary idea? What have they got to do with it? It is time for us, our ideological and spiritual thinkers, to get out of the stupor of the 90s, to look for either a replacement for the socialist idea, which previously raised the spirit of the people to great achievements, or to revive it again, at a new level, with new justifications and taking into account the mistakes previously made. I think the Caucasians will have nothing against the revival of the energy of the Russian nation, after all, the ideas of "secession of the Caucasus" are not so widespread among them, which is evident from the eagerness with which they travel from this Caucasus all over Mother Russia, many with their families and for permanent residence. So you shouldn't look for the sources of your grievances for our passivity in the representatives of the Caucasus. Our problem is in a completely different plane, independent of the Caucasus ...
  • Urrry
    Urrry April 18 2013 17: 30 New
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    And yes, sometimes I come across such an ideoma "The Caucasus respects only strength", and in the context as a certain negative quality of it. And what's wrong with that? Any man respects strength, this is the oldest expression of brutality. Strength decides. Disregard for power can only be expressed by an effeminate and soft-bodied slob to whom it is inaccessible! :) Any civilization where masculine principles prevail will respect power. This does not mean that they are ready to obey her, this is just respect! When we fought in the Great Patriotic War, we did not bend against the German military machine. But her power was also respected? Yes, they hated, but they smashed, but they respected. So "respecting strength" is not weakness, it is the property of the strong to see strength in another ...
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 18 2013 23: 21 New
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      Here everything is somewhat subtler, before the strong they creep and he does not need to be smart, but the smart can manipulate the strong. Weak and not smart will not survive. Each is flawed in its own way. If a strong clever man does not need to grovel and no one can manipulate him, then he develops strength of mind and then even in weakness he cannot be broken! I hope I could get my point across. And the Caucasus lacks an elder.