Prospects for the Development of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Electronic Warfare Aircraft

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Prospects for the Development of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Electronic Warfare Aircraft

Since the appearance of the world's first fully-fledged aircraft EW, and it happened in 1951, quite a lot of time passed. The first plane was the Douglas A-1 Skyraider, which was named AD-1Q Skyraider. Then there were modifications with other letters, the main thing is not in the letters, but in the essence.


The carrier-based attack aircraft, which served for quite a long time and was retired when jets were in full swing in the skies, turned out to be a very valuable thing. Its fuselage could easily accommodate four people: a pilot, a navigator and two operators. It was, as they say, cramped, but not offended.




The aircraft was used in a variety of ways, in general the A-1 Skyraider changed many roles in its service, including being a radar reconnaissance aircraft and a jammer, everything depended on what equipment was suspended under the wings. The guns (4 x 20 mm) with ammunition were removed, and by weight it is almost one and a half tons, so there was something to place in their place.


So began story aviation Electronic warfare. And it continues to this day, but, alas, Russia is not at the forefront today. However, let's leave history for now and move forward 70 years to look at the current situation. Who is putting pressure on whom and with what, so to speak.

Today we will consider only electronic warfare aircraft; we will talk about their counterparts in electronic intelligence separately.

So, the Russian Aerospace Forces have specialized EW aircraft. Three of them. This is the well-known and very well praised by the press at the time Il-22PP. Created on the basis of the Il-18, or more precisely, re-equipped from Il-18s taken from storage.


What made both customers and contractors do this: install a set of modern equipment on an aircraft that is approaching 35 years old? It's simple: none of the existing modern aircraft met the requirements for flight characteristics, primarily for flight duration. And this is the main reason why old Il-18s were pulled out of storage, patched up and repaired, and thus the Il-22PP was obtained.

Even if the Porubshchik electronic warfare system is simply wonderful, the platform it is installed on does not inspire confidence. "Beauty and the beast" as it is. But, alas, there is simply no other platform. So for now everything looks like this. The Il-22PP has passed all the tests, has been accepted into service, but all our aircraft manufacturers have been capable of is three aircraft in 10 years.

But experts say that even a completely repaired Il-18, which is Il-22, will not serve for more than ten years. That is, the operation of these aircraft is already in doubt today.

So it can be considered that the Il-22PP exists on paper, although the aircraft actually passed all types of tests and, perhaps, was even used in combat, although there is no information about this.


Potential targets for the "Porubshchik" included airborne early warning and control (AWACS) aircraft, radio-technical equipment of the complexes Defense Patriot type and military control channels drones. The impact of such an electronic warfare system on the network-centric control systems of modern armies, which are acutely dependent on the stability of a large number of communication channels, is difficult to overestimate.

And here the question of the possibility of application arises.

Let's imagine a theoretical scheme for using the Il-22PP in combat conditions. It won't be able to cover a group of its own aircraft, for example, the Su-34. It's too slow. "Hang" at some distance from the operating area? Who will allow it? It's enough to recall the tragedy of the Bryansk experiment, when the EW helicopters were supposed to provide support to the aircraft. And how did it all end? First, the Ukrainians shot down the helicopters, and then the aircraft.

In general, the practice of “hovering” over (or near) the battlefield to cover one’s own units, according to Alexander Pokryshkin (who knew something about air combat tactics), was already vicious in 1942. And it is absolutely vicious today, because it turns an airplane worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars into a good target. Today, anti-aircraft systems send their missiles at 200+ km, therefore such an unjustified “party” of the electronic warfare aircraft will end very quickly.

Today the whole problem is that a beam of modulated radio waves, called interference, and a missile fly at approximately the same distance. Well, who is who there is a question.

Let's see what's going on with... yes, with the Americans?

And they have very interesting events developing there. Everyone knows that the army and fleet They make everything up themselves. So, in the army they have an electronic warfare aircraft. In terms of size and weight, it is approximately in the same weight category as our Il-22.

EC-130H Compass Call



Yes, the aircraft is from the same era as the Il-18, they were produced almost in the same years, and their flight characteristics are approximately the same, which is not surprising. And of the 14 aircraft produced, 4 (four) aircraft remain in service with the US Air Force. And even those are on their last legs after participating in operations with Iraq.

And here it is interesting, what are the Americans going to give their Air Force in terms of a support/EW aircraft? Maybe based on the Boeing 737? 747?

You guessed wrong. The Gulfstream G550 business jet won the competition. On November 14, 2023, the US Air Force command made this decision and assigned the new Compass Call platform the designation EA-37B.


Meanwhile, the Gulfstream G550 is three and a half times lighter than the Hercules, more than two times smaller, and so on.

And what do we have in naval aviation? Well, everything is well known there, we have the Boeing EA-18G Growler. Well known and has proven itself excellent in less than 20 years of service.


What is so strong about this aircraft, which can be considered the best electronic warfare aircraft in the world today? Because it is so well integrated into the structure of a carrier-based aviation squadron. It is practically the same F/A-18 as those that take off with bombs and missiles, it just has a completely different load. But: it flies at the same (and even slightly higher) speed as the standard fighter-attack aircraft such as the "Hornet", climbs to the same altitude and its range is absolutely the same.

That is, the EA-18G Growler is a fully-fledged carrier-based squadron support aircraft, which is capable of flying nearby/slightly to the side and, with its actions, eliminating problems along the path of this squadron.


And he has a full set for this:
- ALQ-99 jamming system in suspended containers with individual power supply. The system, of course, to put it mildly, is not new, not without its shortcomings, but time-tested and modernized as far as possible;
- ALQ-218(V)2 electronic warfare system. This is a serious thing, it is a passive system for detecting everything that moves in the air. The detected radiation is processed, determined, and either a generated personal interference or an AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missile flies to its address;
- an electronic warfare station for suppressing the LR-700 radar. This is if you don’t want to waste a missile;
- AN/ALE-50 or AN/ALE-55 towed optical fiber jamming station;
And, of course, a wide range of traps, decoys and other useful things.

Overall, a very good set. And in operations in Libya and Iraq, Growler showed that even if it is not suitable against the S-300, then the Crotale and Osa are nothing to it.

We will put aside the old Il-18, we will not even consider the Il-76 as a candidate, because the sad experience of the A-50 has already shown that such an aircraft is useless in a modern theater of military operations, primarily because of its size, speed and maneuverability. And the fact that it can hang for 8-10 hours is of no use to anyone today.

Unfortunately, we not only do not have any carriers like the Gulf Stream, but we also do not expect any in the foreseeable future. Of course, there is an option - to try to buy something like the Embraer ERJ 145 from our BRICS "friends", the Brazilians, on the basis of which they created their own AWACS aircraft Embraer R-99 (EMB-145 AEW&C).


The plane would be quite suitable, by all parameters. The only question is whether the American "partners" will strangle such a deal, and there are certain difficulties: here you have to practically reconfigure the entire plane, and for this you need to know it. That is, you have to buy a license for production, and this is expensive.

To demand that our aviation industry quickly-immediately-urgently get something up and running that could become a platform for an electronic warfare aircraft... Well, that's not much of an experiment.

Therefore, let's not shake the air with demands to cut such an aircraft in the shortest possible time, it's unrealistic. And let's start from reality, that is, let's take and adapt what we have. The way they adapted the Il-18, only let's not take a museum one.

And since we don’t have any aircraft like the Il-18 now, and won’t have any in the next 15-20 years (God willing, we’ll push what we have into the sky, because all these “Superjets” and MS-21s clearly don’t want to fly import-substituting aircraft), it’s worth looking at the practice of American naval aviation.

We have two simply magnificent platforms on which it is quite possible to create an electronic warfare aircraft.


The first is, of course, the Su-30. It is a two-seater, which does not pose the issue of operator placement. Like all Sukhois, it has a simply amazing combat radius. Well, plus the fuel capacity of the Su-30 in internal tanks is about the same as the F/A-18 with THREE external fuel tanks. And only if you hang a fourth, the F/A-18 slightly surpasses this indicator.

But to just take away 4 out of 11 suspension units... This is an unaffordable luxury in our times. So here the American is significantly inferior.

And the Su-30 can carry up to 12 kg of various weapons at its 8 knots, but there is such a tricky thing as the RLE - the flight manual, so it says there that if it is really necessary, the 000th will carry 30 kg. But without aerobatics. In a calm mode. That is, there is a weight reserve.

As for the power surge, everything is fine here too: everyone has long since switched to independent power supply: each container with equipment has its own generator, which is rotated by an impeller from the oncoming air flow.


12 hardpoints – there’s plenty of room to run. 2 hardpoints for air-to-air missiles, just in case, 4 hardpoints for the Kh-58UShKE (a very good creation from the Tactical Missiles Corporation), and another 6 for whatever you want. Additional radar, jammers, whatever you want.

If we look at the EA-18 and keep in mind the Su-30, the question is debatable, of course, but it seems to me that the Su-30 will be used to create an electronic warfare aircraft that will surpass the American in many flight characteristics. In terms of combat, this is a question for the equipment manufacturers, but for some reason there is confidence that the KRET corporation as a whole and KNIRTI in particular will be able to make it so that everything flying and crawling will shy away from the Russian Growlers.


And there is also the Su-34. It is slightly larger in size, flies a little further and is also capable of performing the functions of an electronic warfare aircraft. But there is one point here that somewhat reduces the effectiveness of such a process. The Su-30 can easily replace the Su-35, but as a bomber, there is nothing to replace the Su-34.

So the Su-30 looks preferable. Here is the first component of the prospective development of the RF Aerospace Forces' EW aviation. The base, so to speak.

The second component is what to equip it with.


There is a very good and fairly new complex "Vitebsk", designed to protect aircraft and helicopters from anti-aircraft missiles with radar and thermal guidance heads. Considering that it is modular, that is, its parts have already been installed on various models of aircraft and helicopters, there should not be any big problems. The complex is effective.

If it were possible to solve the aerodynamic problems of the antennas of the Rychag complex, which helicopters are equipped with (precisely because at their speeds aerodynamics are not important), or to develop new emitters, this would be a good addition to the Vitebsk.


The L187A "Lever" implements almost all the innovative technical solutions achieved to date in the field of electronic warfare: broadband active multi-beam antenna arrays, digital devices for recording and reproducing signals, adaptive control systems based on multiprocessor computing facilities and programmable multi-channel switches. Despite the fact that the "Lever" base is frankly Soviet, it is radically improved due to the use of digital methods of signal processing and the replacement of the element base with a modern one.

An equally good option would be to bring the Himalaya electronic warfare system, which has been in the testing and refinement stage since 2014, up to standard.

"Himalayas" was developed for PAK FA, which has already become Su-57, but how ready the complex is is a question. There is no open data on the complex, so we will not invent anything extra, as well as immediately answer the question about the "Khibiny" complex.


The Khibiny complex is frankly outdated, criticism of it can be found in Telegram channels in quite decent quantities, in general, there are many complaints about it. It is logical, the complex was developed since the late 70s of the last century and was presented "in metal" in 1990. Since then, a lot has changed in the world, and although Khibiny has undergone many upgrades, the missiles that it is supposed to drive crazy have also become quite smarter.

In general, what should be included in the electronic warfare complex of such an aircraft?

1. Missile launch direction finder. An optical-electronic device that detects the launch of a missile by its thermal trace in infrared or ultraviolet radiation.

2. The equipment for detecting laser and radar radiation together with the analysis units are responsible for distinguishing the operation of the radar and the radar homing system, then various methods of combat follow: an anti-radar missile will be sent to the radar, and the generated interference or interference taken from the memory units will be sent to the homing head of the missile.

3. Laser station of optical-electronic suppression. This is precisely against missiles with laser homing heads. Yes, such missiles are now very rare, but the station does not take up much space. In addition, LSOEP can be quite successfully used against missiles with IKGNS.

4. Active radar jamming stations. With memory blocks where data on all sorts of signals and jamming generation matrices are stored. That is, modern technologies allow, within a fraction of a second after receiving a signal about an aircraft being irradiated, to determine not only the source of the signal and the direction to it, but also, by comparing it with the database, to extract the most effective jamming from it and send it to the jamming station for generation and emission in a given direction.

In general, there may be more than one such station; they can operate in different frequency ranges, in different directions, and so on.

5. Towed jamming station. The Americans actively use their jamming stations of this type, covering a group of aircraft when moving away from the target. The jamming station hides the aircraft from the enemy radar, preventing detection and guidance. However, it is worth noting that it is more effective to use missiles with thermal seekers in pursuit along the course.

6. Containers for ejecting thermal and electronic decoys. There is never much of this stuff, and although every normal aircraft is equipped with them, it is a question of quantity.

Overall, the image of an aircraft similar to the EA-18G is obtained, which is designed to conduct electronic reconnaissance, jamming enemy radars and communication systems, and destroying radars with anti-radar missiles. The onboard equipment of such an aircraft allows identifying and triangulating sources of electromagnetic radiation, and then working on them with jamming or missiles. Another very useful point will be the network-centricity of the aircraft, that is, interaction with other aircraft and issuing them target designations.

And, of course, modern satellite communication terminals to ensure interaction during active jamming. Incidentally, the Americans had very big problems in this regard with the EA-6 Prowler, the predecessor of the EA-18: as soon as the Prowlers turned on their electronic warfare systems, they simply ceased to exist for the rest of the world, because their suppression systems first of all cut off their communications.

And since, for the sake of economy, the EA-18 was equipped with low-frequency AN/ALQ-99 transmitters, developed for the Prowler aircraft (don’t laugh, but they use vacuum tube components, and the antennas are equipped with mechanical drives), the EA-18 automatically inherited the communication problems.


AN / ALQ-99

The Americans played beautifully, developing and installing the INCANS (Interference CANcellation System), which provides stable VHF communications for the Growler crew when the jamming equipment is turned on, and then added the MATT (Multi-mission Advanced Tactical Terminal) satellite communications system, which solves all problems with communications and information transfer.

Alternatives?

Oh, the Americans considered a whole bunch of alternative options (27 units), from re-equipping business jets ($25-30 million per unit) to B-52 ($82 million) via options with F-35 and F-22. The cheapest option was a modification of a high-altitude Global Hawk UAV with four kamikaze UAVs capable of destroying radars. Such an option with construction “from scratch” would cost “only” $20 million.

In fact, it is quite an option, because a UAV with 5-10 kg of explosives, fluttering into the mirror of any radar, is guaranteed to disable it.

In general, the Americans considered many options and decided to settle on re-equipping business jets for the ground forces and EA-18 for naval aviation with further modernization.

Everything is simpler for us: there are no strategic UAVs and none are expected, there are no business jets and none are expected, there are no transport or passenger aircraft that could be re-equipped either.

The Chinese have similar problems, so they didn't torture themselves and created the J-16D, a pretty good EW aircraft. Based on the Su-30MK2. Yes, they didn't put in everything they wanted the first time, they had to remove the OLS and the cannon, but in the free space they got everything the military asked for.


It's a good path, why shouldn't we follow it? After all, it's better to have electronic warfare aircraft in air units than not to have them. Three of these ancient Il-22PPs on the scale of the Russian Aerospace Forces - well, that's zero. The Americans alone have more than a hundred Growlers, plus the second-rate Prowlers sent into storage, also more than a hundred in number. And then it will be clear that an old Prowler is better than nothing. And it will become clear on your own skin, as it was with drones.

Ironically, history has come full circle: in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the two-seat Su-30M (based on the two-seat Su-30/Su-27PU air defense fighter) was planned for adoption by the Soviet Air Force as a dedicated electronic warfare and suppression of enemy air defense (SEAD) aircraft to replace the MiG-25BM.

New is a well-forgotten old.

In summary: with all the wealth of choice the Americans have, we have only one path: the Chinese one, that is, an aircraft based on the Su-30. The path itself is not bad, the Su-30 is a decent aircraft, and there is something to hang under its wings. The rest is exclusively under the jurisdiction of KRET. But it is unrealistic to imagine future conflicts today without such aircraft.
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  1. +7
    26 July 2025 04: 45
    The MiG-25BM was a strike aircraft, the project itself was quickly curtailed, a few aircraft were cut up - new times were coming. The main EW aircraft in the Soviet Air Force was the Yak-28pp, it was such a miracle, there was no use from it, they planned to replace it with the Su-24mp. Which is what they did in the late 80s, one link in Chortkov, one - in Azerbaijan. The EW equipment, at the time of acceptance of weapons, was already outdated, the aircraft turned out to be useless.
    1. +2
      26 July 2025 05: 37
      Quote: bober1982
      planned to replace with Su-24mp
      Such a machine is hardly suitable for escorting YES aircraft.
      1. +1
        26 July 2025 07: 12
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Such a machine is hardly suitable for escorting YES aircraft.
        On a fighter jet F-16 There is a container with foil for jamming and it is also not suitable for escorting long-range bombers. But for attack aircraft and frontline bombers - just the thing...
    2. +1
      30 July 2025 16: 33
      The author's proposals are a jumble of horses and people. But the question is asked correctly. The conclusions and proposals are so-so.
      Why
      Well, at least because the Su-34 is much better suited for such an EW/REP aircraft. It is in serial production (as is the Su-30SM2), it has a larger combat radius and larger internal volumes for equipment. Its pilots sit shoulder to shoulder and there is still a lot of space in the back, where even a kitchen and toilet have been organized. In short, it is possible to make the cabin a four-seater, or to place equipment there. As well as instead of a cannon.
      Moreover, the Su-34 is (as it happens) even cheaper to produce than the Su-30SM, not to mention the Su-35S (28 million dollars versus 30 million and 35 million, respectively, in 2017 prices and exchange rates), so even in terms of the cost of the base platform it is preferable. And it will have to act and cover the same Su-34, so it is possible and preferable to base the Su-34REB (the indexation is conditional) together with the Su-34, say, in a link (4 units) per two-squadron regiment.
      Regarding the absence of a business jet in the Russian Federation, the author also went too far, we have a whole "Super-Jet", which is currently undergoing certification tests in a completely domestic configuration and after that can be accepted for supply to the Ministry of Defense. On its basis, it is possible to compose an AWACS aircraft - with a "board" on the back or two canvases on each side, or an ELINT aircraft. But I would not trust it with electronic warfare - the Su-34 will be better, and the price is not much higher.
      Quote: bober1982
      one link in Chortkiv, one in Azerbaijan.

      In Azerbaijan, as I understand, at the Sheki airfield? Or in Kurdamir? In Kurdamir, it seems, there were only bombers. But in Sheki, they based the Su-24MR, along with them?
      1. 0
        30 July 2025 16: 54
        There couldn't be Su-24MPs in the bomber regiment, only in reconnaissance regiments or in electronic warfare (Chortkov), then it turns out that Sheki
  2. +5
    26 July 2025 05: 31
    In any case, we will have to deal with aviation electronic warfare. And against aircraft, and against missiles, and against UAVs. In principle, any aircraft can be equipped with electronic warfare. I constantly draw attention to the Yak-40, which is ideal for electronic warfare. There are 400 of them in storage, with unused resources. Why should we look across the ocean at Brazilian aircraft? When we have our own aircraft, especially for free, as an electronic warfare base. Mate the aircraft with an organization or institute that develops electronic warfare systems. Give them at least three or four aircraft for the development and installation of various electronic warfare concepts. Also give them experienced combat aircraft on which electronic warfare can be installed. Work, and not sit with folded arms and dangling legs.
    1. 0
      29 July 2025 16: 18
      Yak 40 had a very problematic engine, SDshniks had a hard time with it
      1. 0
        29 July 2025 17: 08
        What were the problems? Didn't serve the declared service life? Or did it fail in flight for many reasons? It flew the required hours and was sent for minor, medium or major repairs. This is the same system in the navy.
      2. 0
        2 August 2025 12: 47
        Quote: Yarik
        Yak 40 had a very problematic engine, SDshniks had a hard time with it

        AI25 problematic? Oh wow
    2. 0
      20 October 2025 23: 10
      The Yak-40's problem is speed. Its maximum is 550 km/h.
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  4. +13
    26 July 2025 06: 27
    The whole question is, do the generals of the Russian Army need this?
    1. IVZ
      +3
      26 July 2025 08: 29
      The whole question is, do the generals of the Russian Army need this?
      And it depends on which generals. Especially since issues of project financing and weapons procurement are decided, to a large extent, by politicians, both military and civilian. Although the budget is formed on the basis of applications from the military, the final decision on it is made by politicians taking into account data from economists.
      1. +8
        26 July 2025 10: 10
        Those same generals who sit in the General Staff and together with Mr. (not Mr.) Gerasimov make smart faces. But on the face of it, there are Timur Ivanovs and Co...
  5. +5
    26 July 2025 06: 52
    For some reason, it always seemed to me that some of the very first Soviet electronic warfare aircraft were designed on the basis of a bomber Tu-16. One of them was designed for passive jamming, with equipment for releasing chaff reflectors, the other for active jamming, with a powerful broadband radio-electronic suppression station located in a special technical compartment. And this old man served faithfully until the mid-90s of the last century...

    P.S. If we talk about the very first electronic warfare aircraft, then they were probably British Stirling, which, when approaching a target, dropped finely chopped foil at different altitudes to create interference, which prevented German air defense systems from determining the exact location of approaching aircraft...
  6. +12
    26 July 2025 07: 21
    For some reason the author did not mention the US Air Force "Wild Weasel" EW units, which fly the F-16C/D Block 50/52 with a payload of the AN/ASQ-213 EW pod, the Sniper or Lightning type targeting pod, and various ASPs. A single-engine aircraft is enough for them. And now the EW role is performed by the F-35 Block 15 thanks to its powerful radar and onboard computer.
    Why doesn't Russia have something like this? It's simple, there's nothing to hang on. They can't create it because of the low technical level. Or rather, they need to create something that would fit into a container that could hang on at least a Su-30, and I have an Il-76. Therefore, everything listed by the author is nothing more than empty dreams.
    1. +6
      26 July 2025 15: 28
      It's simple, nothing to hang up. They can't create it because of the low technical level.
      but did they try? We couldn't even build hangars for airplanes under Shoigu, the technical level was only enough to get funding
    2. +2
      26 July 2025 19: 30
      Quote: Puncher
      And now the role of electronic warfare is performed by the F-35 block 15 thanks to a powerful radar and onboard computer. Why doesn't the Russian Federation have something like this? It's simple, there's nothing to hang on to. They can't create it because of the low technical level.

      In the Russian Aerospace Forces today, the role of Wild Weasel aircraft is usually performed by Su-30SM/Su-30SM2 with anti-radar missiles X-31 and X-58 of various modifications. But not necessarily only Su-30SM/Su-30SM2.

      As for the US Air Force and the US Navy and US Marine Corps, the F-35 Block 15 aircraft do not currently perform the role of electronic warfare aircraft, because there are no F-35 Block 15. There are F-35 Block 3F. However, there are no electronic warfare pods for the F-35 aircraft. The US Navy's EA-18G Growler group protection electronic warfare aircraft have begun receiving new AN/ALQ-249(V)1 medium-wave (NGJ-MB) pods. The protracted development of the AN/ALQ-249(V)2 NGJ-LB long-wave and AN/ALQ-249(V)3 NGJ-HB high-frequency pods continues, the EA-18G will still have to fly with AN/ALQ-99 pods of various modifications operating in these ranges, which, yes, have amplifiers on tubes.

      The role of group protection aircraft in the Russian Aerospace Forces is performed by aircraft with SAP-14 electronic warfare containers. The role of electronic warfare aircraft operating from patrol zones is performed by Il-22PP, and helicopters of various modifications.

      There are no other electronic warfare aircraft in the US Air Force today except for the EC-37B jammer (2025 unit at the beginning of 1) being accepted into service, because the EC-130J aircraft were decommissioned in September 2024:

      https://theaviationist.com/2024/09/22/ec-130j-fleet-retires/

      "193rd Special Operations Wing bids farewell to unique EC-130J Commando Solo III"

      https://simpleflying.com/last-2-usaf-193rd-special-operations-wing-ec-130s-final-flight/

      "The last two EC-130J aircraft of the U.S. Air Force's 193rd Special Operations Wing make their final flight."

      The EF-111A Raven electronic warfare aircraft were retired from the US Air Force in 1998 and were not replaced by anything.

      I simply do not recommend looking into the place where you learned about the existence of the F-35 Block 15 modification, as well as about the current use of the F-35 as an electronic warfare aircraft. You never know what other nonsense will be made public in these sources from the former Ukraine.

      The photo shows a Su-34 with a SAP-14 group protection electronic warfare container on the under-fuselage unit and individual protection electronic warfare containers on the wingtips.

      1. -1
        29 July 2025 00: 19
        Quote: AlexanderA
        In the Russian Aerospace Forces today, the role of Wild Weasel aircraft is usually performed by Su-30SM/Su-30SM2

        Su-35S, Su-30SM2, Su-57.
        1. 0
          29 July 2025 01: 36
          I confused the EC-130J with the EC-130H, of which there were four in the US Air Force inventory as of 2024, in terms of absent-mindedness.

          "World Air Forces Directory 2025"

          https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=106507

          Informs readers that at the time of publication of the reference book, EC-130H were listed as being in service 4, and EC-37B, or more precisely EA-37B, have already received 3. The first training flight of EA-37B with a regular crew was made on May 2, 2025. It is expected that EA-37B aircraft will reach the initial combat readiness state in 2026.
    3. +1
      29 July 2025 10: 28
      Why is there nothing like this in Russia? It's simple, nothing to hang up. They can't create it because of their low technical level.. Or rather, create something that would fit into a container that could be hung on at least a Su-30, and for me, an Il-76. Therefore, everything listed by the author is nothing more than empty dreams.

      drinks
  7. +4
    26 July 2025 09: 09
    As for the power surge, everything is fine here too: everyone has long since switched to independent power supply: each container with equipment has its own generator, which is rotated by an impeller from the oncoming air flow.
    This is not serious: group electronic warfare stations require a ton of energy, and you can’t get by with an impeller.
    There is a very good and fairly new complex "Vitebsk"

    A no worse option would be to bring the Himalaya electronic warfare system up to standard.
    Isn't this self-defense electronic warfare? "That's different."
    In general, what should be included in the electronic warfare complex of such an aircraft?
    And again, these are components of self-defense electronic warfare. Self-defense electronic warfare must suppress a missile heading toward an aircraft, and group electronic warfare must suppress a radar observing a strike group. A task of a different level of complexity.
    1. 0
      2 August 2025 13: 14
      Quote: bk0010
      This is not serious: group electronic warfare stations require a ton of energy, and you can’t get by with an impeller.

      I think I agree, therefore, no matter how warmly I feel about the Su35S and Su30 aircraft, in my opinion it is preferable to create an EW aircraft based on the Su34, it has a standard auxiliary power unit to provide the EW station, which is almost never used for its intended purpose. Such an aircraft flying in combat formation with the Su34 strike aircraft would be very useful in my opinion.
  8. +1
    26 July 2025 09: 41
    To begin with, we need to shake all the commanders-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces, including Surovikin, for the fact that we have not had such equipment for 35 years. Yes, there were difficult times, but the projects should have been on paper and ready for implementation as soon as there was a financial opportunity.
    1. 0
      27 July 2025 04: 11
      Quote: alberigo
      but the projects had to be on paper and ready for implementation as soon as financial opportunities arose.

      It's funny to read about the financial possibilities in the Russian Federation, where from 2011-2022, that is, for 10 years, only for the modernization of the army and rearmament, in addition to a not small budget, more than a trillion dollars were allocated. Serdyukov started the reforms and, as for me, if the clown Shoigu had not come, who immediately calmed the army of lampasniks, military-industrial complex officials and the like, the army with such funds today would have a lot of things.
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  9. +12
    26 July 2025 10: 31
    Quote: Luminman
    Some of the very first Soviet electronic warfare aircraft were designed on the basis of the Tu-16 bomber

    Exactly!
    In the MRA (naval missile-carrying aviation) each naval missile-carrying aviation regiment (mrap) consisted of 2 Tu-22M2(3) squadrons and an electronic warfare squadron on Tu-16. The strike aircraft were covered from combat formations. During a regimental strike sortie, the Tu-16s were the first to take off and the last to land. I had to take part in such sorties as an electronic warfare squadron navigator and as a regiment navigator, on both types of aircraft. One of these sorties even had some influence on my career.
    "So we successfully jammed, so that two Tu-22M2 strike groups were lost by the SAM radar, which was confirmed by the radar screen shots. The Moscow bosses praised me, asked the senior navigator of the division why he did not nominate me for the position of regiment navigator? This bad man answered that I, due to my health, was not fit for the Tu-22M2. At this point I got angry, and, regardless of rank and title, loudly answered that due to my health I was fit to be an astronaut, but that I was not to blame for the fact that my bachelor brother stole his mistress, and let him pay attention to his moral character, and not to my health. The Muscovites laughed, they calmed me down, this bastard was gently scolded for his bias, and soon I was appointed regiment navigator."
    https://proza.ru/2016/01/19/1801
    1. -1
      26 July 2025 14: 20
      I always suggest the Yak-40 as an electronic warfare aircraft, but which of the modern Russian aircraft would you suggest for this role? hi
      1. +5
        26 July 2025 15: 31
        We need to understand why we need an electronic warfare aircraft, and only then choose a platform.
        Are we going to launch massive air strikes? At what targets? With what number of planes? Which planes?
        In general, we need to at least decide on the tactics for using aviation, not to mention strategy, and then decide how to cover strike aviation.
        1. 0
          26 July 2025 15: 43
          I agree with you, but I would put the country's defense first, so that when approaching the border, roughly speaking, everything would turn off and fall to the ground. Well, and secondly, there would be no resistance in any form during a counterattack. soldier
          1. 0
            26 July 2025 15: 58
            I'll start with "Well, and secondly..."
            What are you talking about? Our strategic aviation carries out air strikes from zones that are out of reach for the enemy and does not require electronic warfare cover.
            But about "...first place..." it's more complicated... If we talk about protecting our borders in the airspace, then first we need to understand how and by what means to do this, and only then think about the carriers.
            To be honest, I don’t even understand the tactics of using electronic warfare systems from aircraft carriers in modern conditions, let alone the strategy.
            What should the EW assets cover? A pair of Su-34s performing the task of dropping bombs from the UMPK? Then the EW assets carrier should be an aircraft with similar performance characteristics, but flying longer and further. Unfortunately, we don't have any other strike aircraft...
            In general, I don’t have answers, but I have a lot of questions that I have no one to ask.
            1. -2
              26 July 2025 19: 01
              Good day. There is such a plane!!! No, of course the Yak-40 is not suitable, the military does not need it in principle with its speed of 500-550 km per hour. In general, planes like the Yak-40 or Tu-154 are pure "passenger carriers", buses, they are not suitable. But the Tu-134 is what is needed, especially since the Air Force has had its eye on it from the very beginning, they also have the Tu-134 UT or UB, I don't remember. Now, if you tear off its old turbojet engines and replace them with PD-8 nacelles, or not, there is a better option - now MiG-29s are being written off en masse, remove the RD-33 from them, repair them, wrap them in a beautiful nacelle, you can do it without an afterburner, but it is better with it, and here you have a ready-made platform, at least for an electronic warfare aircraft, or even for a long-range interceptor fighter with a speed of -1000 km per hour, shove the GSh-23-6 into the technical compartments in the center section, hang four pylons under the wing for the R-37. If they are not all cut, then you can use the remaining airframes. If there is a desire.
        2. +2
          26 July 2025 19: 58
          Quote: Bez 310
          We need to understand why we need an electronic warfare aircraft, and only then choose a platform.
          In the top ten!
          1. +2
            27 July 2025 01: 05
            Here in Skomorokhov's article it is clearly written why. This includes suppression of AWACS, and Patriots, and control of military UAVs. The modernized Yak-40 by the Siberian Research Institute named after Chaplygin with two engines and a black wing flies at a speed of 700 km/h and a range of 7000 km. How is it worse than the Gulfstream and Embraer? The main thing is that it exists and requires a minimum of modifications.
            1. +2
              27 July 2025 09: 06
              Quote: V.
              This is also the suppression of AWACS
              Complex Krasukha has a high radiation power and detects all targets around itself at a range of 400 km. And this power is quite enough to turn off the aircraft AWACSIn short, a good jammer...
      2. -1
        28 July 2025 15: 13
        Yak i40 definitely not. No payload, no speed, no flight time
        (note that regional companies rather prefer to fly the AN 24/26 than the Yak-40, probably for good reason), in order for the Su-30 or Su-34 to be in combat formations, I agree with Skomorokhov, in order for it to last a long time, well, probably the MS-21, Skomorokhov is being disingenuous when he says that these planes do not want to fly, in fact, after the sanctions they had to be redesigned, new avionics, engines, and many other things, and they did it quite quickly.
  10. +3
    26 July 2025 10: 57
    The Su-30 is a universal aircraft, and if we start creating a modern Air Force, then such a machine is needed, it can fight enemy aircraft and drop bombs. But useless frontline bombers would be just right for conversion into an electronic warfare aircraft.
  11. 0
    26 July 2025 11: 12
    Well, the Su-30 and Su-34 are platforms not only for PP. They are also excellent reconnaissance aircraft, anti-submarine aircraft, and they still have potential for modernization. I agree with the author, these are real candidates. I think the problem is that our generals, especially those with many stars, are late in making decisions. They think about something else. And all future wars, and even current ones, are network-centric wars, where technology (skill) wins, not numbers.
  12. +3
    26 July 2025 12: 29
    The prospects are very dim.
    Because
    buy from their BRICS “friends”, the Brazilians, something like the Embraer ERJ 145, on the basis of which they created their own AWACS aircraft, the Embraer R-99 (EMB-145 AEW&C).

    Brazil has the ability to build aircraft of this type, but Russia does not.
    Another matter is how much this aircraft and its electronics have to do with Brazil in general.
    I feel it is no more Brazilian than the Superjet is Russian, and in that case, there is little point in purchasing it.
    Why not make friends with the Chinese? Our technologies, their production.
    The Europeans are assembling planes in a camp, why aren’t we and China making our own response to Boeings?
    1. +1
      27 July 2025 00: 13
      The Chinese don't need us. There was already a project for a long-range aircraft CR929: the Chinese sucked the technology out of the Russian "brains", created the aircraft themselves and simply threw out the letter R from the project, which symbolizes Russia's contribution.
      1. +1
        29 July 2025 13: 11
        The Chinese don't need us

        The Chinese sucked the technology out of the Russian "brains"

        Not needed, but the technologies are accepted?
  13. +3
    26 July 2025 15: 12
    I will express an unpopular opinion. The Russian Aerospace Forces do not need a Growler-type EW aircraft (or one based on the Su-30/-34). Escorting a flight/squadron of strike aircraft deep into the territory of a high-tech enemy up to 250-300 km is group suicide in any case. For this, there are Iskanders and other unmanned gadgets. But to conduct EW beyond the horizon from a high altitude from a LBS, something like a U-2 or TR-1 would be better suited. The emphasis should be on individual automatic EW systems for each aircraft.
    1. +1
      27 July 2025 17: 49
      https://www.deagel.com/Components/SAP-14/a002474#001

      "SAP-14 is an advanced electronic countermeasure system designed for heavy strike fighters such as the Russian Air Force's Su-30MK, and the Indian Air Force's Su-32/34 and Su-30MKI. Its primary mission is to suppress advanced air defenses during ground strikes by simulating the electronic signatures of various aircraft and creating false targets for enemy sensors. SAP-14 protects against surface-to-air and air-to-air threats in the D- and F-bands and is housed in a single large central nacelle. When installed on a single aircraft along with two SAP-518 jamming pods, the system is considered similar to the American ALQ-99 jamming system installed on the EA-6B Prowler and EA-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft. The electronic warfare system was developed and manufactured by the Kaluga Research Radio Engineering Institute (KNIRTI). About her existence became known at the MAKS-2009 air show."
    2. -1
      29 July 2025 00: 12
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      I will express an unpopular opinion. The Russian Aerospace Forces do not need an electronic warfare aircraft of the Growler type (or based on the Su-30/-34).

      The Growler is a carrier-based aircraft. The Air Force has no use for it.
  14. +1
    26 July 2025 17: 50
    Why is there a Chinese airplane on the splash screen? The OZs are gaping
  15. 0
    27 July 2025 01: 04
    As in the case of AWACS aircraft, there is nothing for a human to do in this flying microwave. An unmanned vehicle is needed. Preferably a universal one, which with a little modification could easily be transformed into a jammer, reconnaissance aircraft, etc.
  16. 0
    28 July 2025 11: 57
    The phrase: "In terms of combat, this is a question for the equipment manufacturers, but for some reason there is confidence that the KRET corporation as a whole and KNIRTI in particular will be able to make it so that everything flying and crawling will shy away from the Russian Growlers" causes Homeric laughter.
  17. +1
    28 July 2025 12: 54
    I generally support the author's conclusions. Only the directions of using such an aircraft seem somewhat different to me. For the most part, it may not be an aircraft escorting bombers, but an operational-tactical reconnaissance aircraft at a certain depth, replacing the A-50. Bombers are better protected individually, with their own systems.
  18. +1
    29 July 2025 00: 23
    The Khibiny complex is frankly outdated, criticism of it can be found in Telegram channels in quite decent quantities, in general, there are many complaints about it. It is logical, the complex was developed since the late 70s of the last century and was presented "in metal" in 1990. Since then, a lot has changed in the world, and although Khibiny has undergone many upgrades, the missiles that it is supposed to drive crazy have also become quite smarter.

    Is SAP-518 also outdated? Is it worse than Khibiny or better than Khibiny?
  19. 0
    29 July 2025 13: 22
    In order to discuss the prospects for the development of EW and AEW&C aircraft, it is necessary to define the goals. Where is the Russian Federation going to fight? If in the post-Soviet space, that is one thing, but if they are going to attack Great Britain or France, that is another. Fighting with African Uganda and Germany is not the same thing.
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    0
    1 August 2025 12: 01
    Yes, it seems that when generals have money for some thing needed in the army, the general understands that he personally needs money more. And he carries out an operation to confiscate it. That's why the reb, shmeb, communications and others left and did not promise to return with success.0
  21. 0
    10 August 2025 16: 44
    EW aircraft

    I'm afraid that soon the production of onboard computers for all combat aircraft will be at an all-time high. Not long ago I visited the website of the Argon Research Institute (one of the leading research and production enterprises in Russia specializing in the creation of highly reliable compact computing devices for harsh operating conditions), and there on the main page was a message: RENT AND SALE OF OFFICE SPACE IN MOSCOW.

    Link: http://www.argon.ru/

    Apparently, things are really bad at this research institute.
    1. 0
      10 August 2025 16: 58
      Quote: Warrior_II_category
      Apparently, things are really bad at this research institute.

      Hmm. Considering that this research institute is located at the address: Moscow, Varshavskoe shosse, 125, building 1 - then it is not a fact, far from a fact.

      This house was called "lying skyscraper", see photo. There is just sooo much space there.
  22. 0
    11 August 2025 09: 53
    Quote: Paranoid62
    There is just sooo much space there.

    And this place hasn't caught the eye of any developer yet? It's strange.
  23. 0
    20 October 2025 23: 07
    I agree with Roman that the best and most appropriate option is the Su-30. It's a production solution, everything's in order. But a more powerful aircraft is probably needed. In small numbers, of course, and one that can operate over a longer range. The platform is a shortened Tu-214 (Tu-204-300). Everything fits, it's powerful, and we have the production version. We've been building them since the 90s. Probably 6-8 of them would be enough. And we'd need 20-30 Su-30s... Of course, the issue of the payload is crucial, and for us who don't know the details, it's difficult and unnecessary to comment. But as for the platforms, thank God we already have them...