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How America will pinch Russia

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How America will pinch RussiaThe Wall Street Journal could not pass by the holiday that began in the United States after the publication by the Institute for Energy Research of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Analytical Center under the Government of the Russian Federation of the report entitled “Forecast of the development of energy in the world and Russia up to 2040 of the year”. Journalist James Marson was enthusiastic about the fact that in the coming decades, Russian oil exports could fall, and the reason for the fall would be the increase in the US production of oil shale. According to the journalist, the Energy Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences has made "an unusually frank admission that the North American shale gas boom poses a threat to the Russian economy, which is fed by hydrocarbons."


Referring to the Russian report, Mr. Marson сообщает to the reading public that if the “shale breakthrough” increases, by the year of 2040, Russian exports may decline by 50 million tons per year. (Last year, Russia exported 240 million tons of oil, the correspondent reminds). Such a decrease could lead to a decrease in the share of the energy industry in Russian GDP from one quarter in the 2010 year to 15% with a little in the 2040 year. Well, and a summary of the report: if we take into account the geopolitical significance of the United States, then I must say: they will in fact turn into “the most influential player in the global hydrocarbon market”.

In parallel, the other came out report: “The forecast of energy development up to 2040 of the year” - from Exxon Mobil.

Predicting the main indicators of global energy development, American analysts singled out A number of factors related to oil and gas:

- the level of energy demand in the United States and other economically developed countries will remain relatively unchanged, and the growth in global demand will be determined primarily by the energy demand of China and other non-OECD countries. It is estimated that in these countries the level of demand in 2040 will increase by almost 60% compared to 2010 year. Before 2040, global demand will increase by about 30% compared to 2010, but without the expected energy savings, its growth would have been about four times more. At the same time, the demand for energy for the operation of commercial vehicles - trucks, aircraft and ships, as well as rail transport - due to economic growth, especially in non-OECD countries, will increase by more than 70%;

- demand for oil and other liquid energy sources will grow by almost 30%, which will primarily be associated with the needs of the transport industry. This increased demand will increasingly be met by deep-sea deposits, oil sands, oil deposits in low-permeability rocks, liquefied petroleum gas and biofuels.

Regarding shale, experts at Exxon Mobil write that new technologies will affect the development of the energy sector, contributing to an increase in the global volume of energy reserves. This includes new production technologies, with the help of which it becomes possible to develop natural gas reserves in various regions of the United States sufficient to provide the population of this country for a hundred years.

According to experts at Exxon Mobil, by 2040, gas production from shale and other similar rocks will be up to 30% of the world’s gas production.

These are the bright prospects for America and in general for slate producers.

Our experts and analysts differ from Americans in that instead of uncorking champagne they sound alarm. However, this alarm is not of the quality that is about to turn into panic.

The Analytical Center under the Government of Russia and the Energy Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences in the forecast for the development of energy up to 2040 have expressed concern about the situation, says Sergey Duz ("Voice of Russia"). After all, for the first time the Russian fuel and energy complex is faced with such severe restrictions on the part of external demand for energy resources. And the whole thing here in the "shale revolution." This technology has become payable only recently, with rising prices for hydrocarbons produced in the traditional way.

“It is unlikely to sell gas at the same prices. The only solution is a hard miscalculation of the economic efficiency of oil and gas projects and the correct assessment of possible risks, ”said Academician, Director of the ERI RAS Alexei Makarov.

The chief adviser to the head of the Analytical Center under the Russian government, Professor Leonid Grigoriev, notes that Russia will feel quite comfortable in the global economy. By 2040, it will even rise to fifth place from sixth in the ranking of countries by global GDP. Thirty years later, Russia will remain the most important participant in the gas market and the world's largest exporter of hydrocarbons.

Director of the Institute of National Energy Sergey Pravosudov, talking about mining from shale, said: “The problem is that the productivity of wells drops very quickly. That is, after fracturing over 1-2 years, gas recovery is reduced by 70-80%. Therefore, you need to drill constantly, blow up huge underground arrays. This leads to earthquakes that do not like the local population. The United States is still deciding the issue due to the fact that shale gas is being extracted in sparsely populated territories. But the larger the scale, the greater the environmental problems. The soil turns into scorched earth. It looks like a lunar landscape. Few would agree to that. ”

And the head of the energy program of Greenpeace Russia, Vladimir Chuprov explains: “It is reliably known that first of all one of the negative consequences of shale gas production is the pollution of groundwater. This is a hydraulic fracturing technology, when a highly toxic fluid is pumped into the ground. As a result, it fills the pores, displacing the gas and ensuring its inflow into the well. At the same time, this liquid enters the groundwater. This is the first. And secondly, as a result of hydraulic fracturing, a part of the gas scattered in the soil does not enter the well, but leaks into the atmosphere and increases the greenhouse effect. According to some estimates, shale gas production, by its negative impact on the environment, is comparable to coal production. For these two reasons, scientists oppose shale gas. ”

For one hydraulic fracturing, notes Sergey Duz, a mixture of water (by the way, 7500 tons), sand and chemicals is used. Waste polluted water accumulates in the mining area. Shale gas production leads to significant pollution of groundwater with toluene, benzene, dimethylbenzene, ethylbenzene, arsenic.

Sergey Pravosudov gives an economic breakdown of shale production in the United States. He points out that today shale gas is sold in the United States at a price below cost. The cost price is 150-180 dollars per thousand cubic meters, and sales are for 100 dollars. As a result, companies reduce drilling. By the end of 2013, the expert predicts a drop in shale gas production - and not a simple drop, but a landslide. To this he adds that, if three or four years ago 1400 drilling units worked for shale gas, then on March 2013 of the year they were smaller than 400. This shows how much of the fall is waiting for Americans in the near future. As for Europe, the expert believes that there is not a single productive gas well.

Nevertheless, Russian speakers are sounding the alarm. In the text the report not only the baseline scenario of the world economy and fuel markets development was developed, but also the extreme versions of the baseline scenario (“shale failure”, “shale breakthrough”).

In the “failure” scenario (sad for the USA), the book price of oil compared to 2040 is forecast to reach 130 dollars per barrel (the dollar is equal to the dollar of 2010 of the year). Gas prices will also soar: up to 378 dollars per thousand cubic meters in Europe, 448 dollars - in Japan, 480 - in the PRC. The spot price of gas in the United States will reach 430 dollars per thousand cubic meters. In this scenario, experts say, those who can lose in the "shale breakthrough." The balance of power in the oil and gas market will actually remain. By 2040, the Russian Federation will significantly increase oil and gas production: up to 535 million tons and 980 billion cubic meters. m. United States, on the contrary, lose - and also "significantly." According to the scenario, mining there in the shale will fall by the year 2020; America will return to the ranks of countries importing natural gas. Moreover, gas will be expensive there: about halfway between its cost in Europe and the Asia-Pacific Region. OPEC will increase oil production (by 220 mln. Tons) and will (again, “significantly” - by 20-30 dollars per barrel) affect world oil prices. Parallel to these processes, mining will develop in the Asia-Pacific region: after all, with high oil prices, deep-water offshore projects will also become profitable. As a result, China will increase.

Another “breakthrough” scenario, in which the authors of the 2040 report focus on, is built on the assumption that this very “breakthrough” is an accomplished fact. The argument in favor of this statement is the statistics: over the past 5 years, oil production from shale plei increased from 8 mln. Tons (2007) to 100 mln. Tons (2012), and shale gas production - from 40 billion cubic meters to 250 billion cubic meters (same period). However, scientists note (see p. 65 report) that there are a number of factors hindering production growth: a relatively high cost range; high water consumption; environmental risks; neoprobyvannost technology for the extraction of oil produced by intra-layer retorting. But that's why it is a “breakthrough” scenario, to assume: there will be technologies that can remove the existing restrictions (for example, a cheap anhydrous method of breaking a hydraulic layer). Experts predict the use of this method in 2020.

As a result, deposits from China, Mongolia, Jordan, Israel and other countries will be commissioned. Problems with the environmental component of production will be removed. The cost of shale production worldwide will reach the level of costs in the United States (no more than 80 dollars per barrel of oil and 150 dollars per cubic meter of gas). After 2020, active development will begin not only of low-permeability oil reservoirs, but also of shale (kerogen) oil.

The realization of the “breakthrough” scenario, say the speakers, will increase the production of “unconventional” oil in the world by 2040 million tons, and gas - by 117 billion cubic meters by 222. m compared to the baseline scenario. This may well shift oil and gas prices down. True, our experts do not foresee a significant drop in oil prices. However, some global players in the market will get additional opportunities to influence, and some will lose their positions.

Win here, of course, the United States. In the first place - due to the production of own oil (by 70 million tons more than in the baseline scenario), secondly - due to the production of its own gas (slightly less than in the baseline scenario - due to increased production in the PRC). "This fact, given the overall geopolitical significance of the United States, actually turns them into the most influential player in the global hydrocarbon market," it is written on the page of the 69 report.

China will also win - due to a decrease in import volumes relative to the baseline scenario, caused by the development of its own shale deposits after 2020.

The developed countries of Europe will lose from the “breakthrough”: the volumes of their own European oil will be ousted from the market, projects for the exploitation of fields on the North Sea shelf will not be introduced, energy dependence on suppliers will grow, etc.

OPEC member countries will also lose. A “shale breakthrough” will generally weaken the cartel - to the extent of depriving it of the possibility of influencing the policy of oil prices.

Of course, the CIS countries will also lose. The implementation of the “breakthrough” option for the Russian Federation will result in a decrease in 2020 of oil production by 50 million tons compared to the baseline scenario and a decrease in exports due to the narrowing of a niche in the Asian market. Gas exports will also decline - by 70 billion cubic meters than in the baseline scenario. The CIS will be the most sensitive to this scenario, experts say.

Thus, it can be concluded that only the “shale failure” scenario is favorable for Russia, under which “breakthrough” technologies obviously will not appear at all, and the prices for oil and gas will rise significantly. Russia's winnings will be accompanied by a loss to the United States, which will be forced to return to the ranks of gas-importing countries (and it has become more expensive).

Famous analyst El Murid пишет:

“Even a cursory and initial acquaintance with this document looks very depressing. The report clearly and unequivocally acknowledges the existence of the shale boom problem in the United States, no matter how the head of Gazprom Miller tries to belittle his importance. The report quite unequivocally speaks about the deterioration of general forecasts for Russia: “... This study revealed great risks for the Russian economy and energy as a result of transformations of world energy markets: a decline in oil and gas export volumes and export revenues relative to planned indicators, a slowdown in the country's GDP growth, deterioration of all key parameters of the Russian fuel and energy complex ... "The report acknowledges the depressing inefficiency of investment projects in Russia, citing" ... the results of the analysis by foreign and Russian and specialists of the cost of domestic energy projects, which regularly showed a multiple increase in their prices compared with world peers, and often the capacity of the constructed facilities was lightly loaded for years ... "


The analyst continues:

“Naturally, the Report also presents constructive proposals for resolving the situation. However, the authors of the Report could not say what should be said: any arrangements for urgent exit should be started with personnel decisions. ”


Why could not? El Murid seems to have not read the report to the end. Not without reason, he mentioned the “fluent and initial acquaintance” with the document.

At the end of the report, on the 93 page, it’s pretty clear, if in general terms, it says:

“The main condition for improving the competitiveness of the Russian fuel and energy complex is a radical improvement in the quality of state and especially corporate governance ...”


You see: the "main" condition.

Further, the authors advise to attract foreign partners to resource consortium (especially in the eastern part of Russia, on the shelves and "unconventional" fields). Foreign investments will go into the country, and with them advanced technologies. In the case of “Rurik”, it is likely that there will be “tight cost control” as well as “performance” (here, obviously, there is a transparent hint that ours cannot control or pleasantly surprise with the results). “Additional guarantees of product sales” will also be received. Well, and something positive will happen along the way.

As general measures to counteract the influence of any “breakthroughs” there, the experts suggest “a radical increase in the investment efficiency of the Russian fuel and energy complex and the energy efficiency of the economy as a whole”. Giant investment of the Russian fuel and energy complex is referred to in the report as “waste” (see p. 93). It is proposed to reduce the cost of investment projects and carefully evaluate their economic efficiency and risks. Another measure of "efficiency improvement" is "a broad study of the prospects for external and domestic energy markets."

The chief adviser to the head of the Analytical Center, Leonid Grigoriev, mentioned above, described the forecast for the 2040 report as moderately non-optimistic. “We don’t draw catastrophic scenarios and don’t want to scare people,” Tatyana Nikolova quotes him."Gosbuk"). - But it is impossible to build national energy plans all the time, based on the bright expectations of a general increase in energy consumption, with which we will supply everyone at high prices. It is necessary to lay oneself on surprises and proceed from the moderate rates of economic growth in the world in the foreseeable future. ”

However, the expert did not say anything new. Russia has long been sitting on the raw needle. Today oil in Russia gives about 30% of export earnings, gas - 12%, oil products - 28%. Total export of fuel and energy products of Russia was at the end of last year 69,8%.

In the case of the implementation of the technological “breakthrough” scenario, Russia will have a chance to get off the needle. A blessing in disguise. Let's not let America pinch us, eh guys?

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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 18 2013 08: 04 New
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    Well, everything seems to be correct, it is time for Russia to translate its plans into reality. And at the expense of the "shale revolution", it is not yet known how it will end for the "revolutionaries" themselves
    1. INTER
      INTER April 18 2013 08: 15 New
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      Recently I watched a video report about shale gas, everything is inflated and advertised, ecology causes irreparable damage, companies miners are unprofitable. So this is all nonsense.
      1. krasin
        krasin April 18 2013 08: 26 New
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        Amers raised the topic of shale gas production. They saw that Russia has tied up Europe all over Europe, as well as Asia. They want to be terrified.! This is even better — so that the lads do not blink (Russia did not relax) angry
        1. Suhov
          Suhov April 18 2013 10: 48 New
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          Quote: krasin
          Saw that Russia has tied up Europe with pipes, as well as Asia. They want a terrible catch up.!

          Not so much the pipe feeds as its branches ...
        2. Good Ukraine
          Good Ukraine April 18 2013 18: 16 New
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          hi
          Quote: krasin
          amers raised about the production of shale gas. They saw that Russia has tied up Europe all over Europe, as well as Asia. They want to catch up terribly! It’s even better


          The author writes:
          You see: the "main" condition.
          Further, the authors advise attracting foreign partners to consortia for the development of resources (especially in the eastern part of Russia, on shelves and “unconventional” deposits). Foreign investments will go into the country, and with them advanced technologies.
          this is called - let the goat into the garden.

          Americans date the shale soap bubble with empty pieces of paper to force Russia to share deposits. And horseradish !!!

          The constant chatter about oil and gas needles.
          Why isn't anyone talking about the Qatari gas needle? I have never heard. And there it is not that a needle - there is a whole "system".
          The cost of gas in Russia is $ 19. and no shale gas can compete with this price in the near or distant future. And the Russian Federation has gas for 300 years. So they are trying to get on the "needle" themselves.
          And the question is: Do the US not sit on the oil-dollar needle? The breaking up will begin soon!
          1. psdf
            psdf April 18 2013 20: 07 New
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            Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
            And the question is: Do the US not sit on the oil-dollar needle? The breaking up will begin soon!

            They have a very peculiar needle - cut paper for real goods.
      2. Starksa
        Starksa April 18 2013 08: 44 New
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        and something is not heard by the cries of ecologists and all sorts of green
        1. Akatsubasa
          Akatsubasa April 18 2013 11: 05 New
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          I repeat, as a biologist, I am outraged by this attitude towards nature ... but they have democracy there, if they want to spoil themselves, let them spoil)
          1. Kolya
            Kolya April 18 2013 19: 30 New
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            Earth is our common home, and shit is nowhere to be found. You as a biologist should know this.
            1. Starksa
              Starksa April 18 2013 20: 15 New
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              I agree, though it is necessary to start not littering every citizen, but how the snow will come off and you can immediately see it.
              1. Akatsubasa
                Akatsubasa April 20 2013 10: 02 New
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                I am really ashamed of such a selfish opinion, but in the end nothing makes a person learn better than their own mistakes. And to cover the growing demand, instead of increasing the volume of production, it is necessary to develop further technologies for processing the same plastic or nuclear decay products, say. Yes, this is not so profitable, but such a choice pushes science forward and preserves the environment. The statements of biased ecologists in Germany and France are indicative of this issue: remove the nuclear power plant, remove the nuclear power plant! But nothing that such projects are created with an amazing degree of safety and durability? This is the same Fukushima showed. The station didn’t collapse, the water from the coolers did not go into the aquifers of the soil, and it got into the sea a little, it’s sad, but not as sad as it would be if they had not thought about possible factors during their construction. You can argue about this later if you want, I was on a business trip in Sendai during this event. And as it were, to put it mildly, nothing critical and such a terrible thing happened then - backup generators (which still had a margin of safety) and traps on the power unit itself kept the situation under control. The only problem at the moment of this industry is the impossibility of processing waste into something that is at least non-toxic, but in principle, people will probably reach this soon) More energy than the nuclear power plant does not yet provide any technology (although this is not so, but other methods so far insufficiently studied). Those engaged environmentalists shout about windmills, PES and solar panels ... I hope you yourself understand that windmills and PES are very specific at the location and do not provide sufficient capacity. And in order to provide the need for energy derived from the atom with current technologies, it is necessary to cover the Earth 2,5 (approximately, I do not remember exactly) times with a cover of solar panels. This is not impossible, but it will come out very expensive and require incomparably more energy to create and maintain such a system. If in the near future there will be a leap in battery technology or based on photon energy, I will gladly reconsider my opinion on this alternative energy industry. It is not our business how the same Americans will come to the question of ecology: by realizing the problem and turning the model of the nation, by the horror of the consequences (although a rare one will allow us to dig up and pollute our home in this way), by destroying / degenerating the nation / part of the long-term consequences chemical contamination, which will cause greater fear among all other peoples. Indeed, until everyone wants to take care of the little patch on which he lives, even about his yard - somewhere further into space, or just build new power plants or ways to get raw materials for them, let's say you can not even try. Yes, while we all remain barbarians, but we really do not want to learn the same barbaric methods. Although something tells me that all the same, this is what awaits us (
          2. Khamsin
            Khamsin April 18 2013 23: 08 New
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            Are you sure that the United States is a democracy ??? One of the factors of democracy is freedom of speech, do you see it in the USA ??? They quickly shut their mouths to the disaffected for the sake of "commercial gain"
            1. Starksa
              Starksa April 18 2013 23: 43 New
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              well, he doesn’t see democracy there)) he simply wrote in a veiled way) well, or democracy = environmental pollution) xD
            2. Akatsubasa
              Akatsubasa April 20 2013 10: 03 New
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              It was really ironic) I'm glad that you, too, do not take seriously the proposal where the words "USA" and "democracy" are next to each other)
        2. Hudo
          Hudo April 18 2013 20: 14 New
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          Quote: StarkSA
          and something is not heard by the cries of ecologists and all sorts of green


          False ecologists, pseudo-green and other hangers-on do not dare to bite their lactating hand. stop
      3. psdf
        psdf April 18 2013 20: 05 New
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        Now, yes, but in 2-3 decades it is quite possible to work out the technology, find new solutions that reduce costs, etc.
        The topic is interesting, but very perspective.
      4. Sergeant Air Force
        Sergeant Air Force April 18 2013 22: 57 New
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        There is a great film about shale gas. It is called the Promised Land with Mark Wahlberg in the title role. Everything is well described there about the prey. I advise everyone to take a look.
        1. Akatsubasa
          Akatsubasa April 20 2013 10: 15 New
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          By the way, a really interesting film. Those who have never dealt with these technologies will help a little to navigate.
    2. Kaa
      Kaa April 18 2013 09: 48 New
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      Quote: svp67
      And at the expense of the "shale revolution", it is not yet known how it will end for the "revolutionaries" themselves
      How is this unknown? Americans already consider this a scam: "" Oilprice.com ", USA - November 24, 2012" US Shale Gas Bubble is Set to Burst "
      Over the past three or four years, sources in the US media have trumpeted a "game-changing" new flow of natural gas from impermeable shale reservoirs through horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies. So much gas has been recovered from wells in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Pennsylvania that the US Department of Energy, presidential candidates and companies working in these fields, everyone was unanimous: America can rejoice in the cheap, abundant gas for a hundred years! In the early stages of the hydraulic fracturing boom, petroleum geologist Art Berman began to sound the alarm. He was soon joined by geologist David Hughes, who wrote a lengthy criticism report for the Post-Carbon Institute ("Will Natural Gas Boost America in the 21st Century?") And here Berman and Hughes again make a heretical statement: The boom in recent gas production was initially not associated with new technologies or discoveries, but with high prices. Between 2005 and 2008, when conventional natural gas was depleted due to depletion of reserves, natural gas prices rose to $ 13 per million BTUs - British thermal units (prices were around $ 2 in the 1990s). It is these high prices that have become the motive for the use of expensive technologies when drilling hard-to-reach formations. In Hainesville, with its shale stratum in Texas, companies began to flock to buy mineral rights and immediately drill thousands of wells. High rates of well depletion and high production costs were hidden behind the rapid flow of production - and excitement. As new gas supplies emerged quickly, gas prices fell below $ 3 per million BTU, which in most cases is less than the actual cost of production. And from that point on, gas producers needed to raise more and more investment capital to keep the cash flowing. In fact, it was a pyramid scheme. Now Krauss and The Times sang a little differently. The article "After the Natural Gas Boom", co-written with Eric Lipton and published on October 21, notes that "... the gas rush ... has now become unprofitable for many oil and gas companies and their tens of thousands of investors. "Krauss and Lipton then quote Rex Tillerson, President of ExxonMobil:" We all lost today ... We don't make money. Everyone is at a loss. ". Apparently, gas producers drilled too many wells too quickly, which led to a drop in gas prices below the real cost of production. And, apparently, the recurring scenario of rapid depletion and exaggerated ability of shale rocks to radically increase production is true for all regions of the United States, both for gas and oil. In an attempt to preserve and increase oil and gas supply, the Americans will actually have to be chained to the oil rigs to compensate for the decline in production and meet the growing demand, and they will have to put up with the environmental side effects of the growing number of drilling and the use of hydraulic fracturing. Shale gas production will continue only until it is subsidized by traditional oil and gas with a higher energy efficiency from energy costs. - Richard Heinberg http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/reports/view/75750/
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man April 18 2013 11: 19 New
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        Kaa

        As always right, wise. The subsidized production of shale oil and gas will only exacerbate the financial crisis in the United States.
        Go to the wine stores.
        If we gradually move away from dollar payments for oil and gas, then America will begin to eat itself,the war is not ahead, it is already on
    3. Xtra1l
      Xtra1l April 18 2013 10: 09 New
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      This is what the landscape looks like after shale
    4. Xtra1l
      Xtra1l April 18 2013 10: 14 New
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      This is what the landscape looks like after shale
      1. INTER
        INTER April 18 2013 10: 46 New
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        But will this cause lead to a further change in the structure of strata, groundwater, and as a result, will not all this lead to earthquakes? Will mining provoke the eruption of the largest volcano in the world in Yellowstone National Park? All the same explosions! what what what
        1. Rebus
          Rebus April 18 2013 11: 34 New
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          Quote: INTER
          But will this cause lead to a further change in the structure of strata, groundwater, and as a result, will not all this lead to earthquakes?

          The structure of various layers will change, subsidence will occur, karst dips, local surface earthquakes (due to soil movement) will appear
          Quote: INTER
          Will mining provoke the eruption of the largest volcano in the world in Yellowstone National Park? All the same explosions!

          This is unlikely ... Sedimentary rocks (shales) do not affect
          on volcanic activity. But an environmental disaster will be worse than the eruption of a super volcano ...
          1. Rudakov
            Rudakov April 18 2013 11: 59 New
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            To comment on this question, you need a little knowledge of the topic. There can be no drawdowns, let alone karst failures after hydraulic fracturing. With hydraulic fracturing, sand and gel are injected into the reservoir
            , which increases the fracturing of the rock so that the pores do not collapse, use special sand. Then everything is washed out of the well, the sand is screened out and still used more than once.
            1. testerman
              testerman April 19 2013 07: 06 New
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              What kind of nonsense are you talking about, young man? Read at least a little literature on this topic. During hydraulic fracturing, for your information, different chemicals are used for different purposes. Accelerators, thickeners, retarders, etc. All this is mixed in certain proportions with water and sand, which is called proppant. The proppant has different grain sizes, for different layers - different sizes. After mixing on a blender, all this cocoa is sent to the reservoir and remains there. I can assure you, no one washes away the sand, everything remains in the reservoir, in the reservoirs so that "the pores do not collapse". Only a small part of the fluid that remains in the tubing is washed with workover or CT.

              By the way, hydraulic fracturing is the most barbaric intensification of production
              1. Rudakov
                Rudakov April 19 2013 14: 12 New
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                read in wikipedia and crucify in front of me. and I saw it all with my own eyes and felt it with my hands. “I can assure you, no one washes away the sand, everything remains in the reservoir, in the reservoirs so that“ the pores do not collapse. ”Read carefully: if the flushing is not done and the proppant is not washed out, then oil will not come out of the reservoir, because. the perforation zone is 100% filled with proppant, a sieve is suspended at the outlet of the unit to retain the proppant, which is handed over to the grp-workers. Oh, you, writer, you still need to know what you are writing about so as not to look like a buffoon. " with the help of workover or coiled tubing ", what are these abbreviations?. Well, tubing is understandable, they shine after flushing. Workover workover is also understandable, just a sloppy phrase, hydraulic fracturing is done at workover. But what is coiled tubing? Explain please ...
                1. testerman
                  testerman April 21 2013 19: 51 New
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                  man, you need to take a break from Wikipedia. CT for your information .... this is Coil Tubing in Russian. I'm glad that you even feel something with your hands ..... but unlike you, I have been working for 11 years at HALLIBURTON and all these years I have been engaged in hydraulic fracturing
        2. nikolai1096
          nikolai1096 April 29 2014 16: 28 New
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          Water supply to the Yellowstone volcano will STRENGTHEN and ACCELERATE its eruption.
          PATENT of physicists of the Russian Federation from 2011, and the producers of this gas - "a monkey with a grenade."

          See post: Volcano is a natural fusion reactor, but it needs hydrogen.
          A post with a link to the patent is written to another post about the Yellowstone Volcano:

          Vlad Balt # wrote a comment April 6, 2014, 19:49
          No one canceled the law of conservation of energy. The only source of explosion of a super volcano can be fusion - inside a super volcano there can be temperatures well above 3 degrees and pressures of tens of thousands of atmospheres - ideal conditions for fusion. The Yellowstone volcano exploded during the ice ages, when there was a multimeter ice layer, the volcano melt the ice, a niche formed and a process similar to a thermonuclear bomb began. Now is not the ice age, but shale gas is being produced in the immediate vicinity of the volcano. For this, hydraulic fracturing is used and water is pumped under high pressure, apparently water began to fall into the volcano, which caused volcanic activity, and deuterium and tritium are being produced in underground niches. If a thermonuclear explosion occurs, the explosion of the Soviet largest thermonuclear bomb will be like a clapper, compared with the explosion of the Yellowstone volcano. link to www.spazint.ru
        3. nikolai1096
          nikolai1096 April 29 2014 16: 28 New
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          Water supply to the Yellowstone volcano will STRENGTHEN and ACCELERATE its eruption.
          PATENT of physicists of the Russian Federation from 2011, and the producers of this gas - "a monkey with a grenade."

          See post: Volcano is a natural fusion reactor, but it needs hydrogen.
          A post with a link to the patent is written to another post about the Yellowstone Volcano:

          Vlad Balt # wrote a comment April 6, 2014, 19:49
          No one canceled the law of conservation of energy. The only source of explosion of a super volcano can be fusion - inside a super volcano there can be temperatures well above 3 degrees and pressures of tens of thousands of atmospheres - ideal conditions for fusion. The Yellowstone volcano exploded during the ice ages, when there was a multimeter ice layer, the volcano melt the ice, a niche formed and a process similar to a thermonuclear bomb began. Now is not the ice age, but shale gas is being produced in the immediate vicinity of the volcano. For this, hydraulic fracturing is used and water is pumped under high pressure, apparently water began to fall into the volcano, which caused volcanic activity, and deuterium and tritium are being produced in underground niches. If a thermonuclear explosion occurs, the explosion of the Soviet largest thermonuclear bomb will be like a clapper, compared with the explosion of the Yellowstone volcano. link to www.spazint.ru
      2. Suhov
        Suhov April 18 2013 10: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Xtra1l
        This is what the landscape looks like after shale

        Yes, a pale look ...
      3. Suhov
        Suhov April 18 2013 11: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Xtra1l
        This is what the landscape looks like after shale

        It’s interesting, but what does mining look like in our north?
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 April 18 2013 12: 14 New
          +6
          From an airplane, production in the north does not look very impressive, production areas and pipelines look like fly turd in a football stadium connected by threads.
          And near the shit it looks like a cluttered swamp should look.
        2. Black
          Black April 18 2013 12: 40 New
          +5
          Quote: Sukhov
          It’s interesting, but what does mining look like in our north?

          It looks very sad ... Caterpillars damaged moss recover for decades. Yamal - like the face of an old woman .... the taiga ruthlessly falls and crap ..
      4. Papakiko
        Papakiko April 18 2013 11: 07 New
        +9
        With the classical method, they do not differ much in appearance.
        And hydraulic fracturing of oil and gas formations are practiced in almost all fields of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug.
        1. Rudakov
          Rudakov April 18 2013 11: 52 New
          0
          Works by "Mekami"
      5. old rocket man
        old rocket man April 18 2013 11: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Xtra1l
        This is what the landscape looks like after shale

        And an atomic bomb is not necessary. laughing
      6. Alekseir162
        Alekseir162 April 18 2013 11: 41 New
        +3
        This is what the landscape looks like after shale

        Planet Pluk from the Kin-Dza-Dza galaxy. bully "Good luck" to them in their hard labor. But seriously, Russia is really tightly on the raw material needle, and in the yard, by the way, the 21st century, are there really no breakthrough developments in the energy sector?
        1. Suhov
          Suhov April 18 2013 13: 57 New
          +6
          Quote: Alekseir162
          are there really no breakthrough developments in the energy sector?

          Solar energy has not yet developed, because the sun does not belong to oil companies.

          - Ralph Nader, American lawyer and political activist
      7. Rudakov
        Rudakov April 18 2013 11: 54 New
        +3
        Normal landscape. An embankment has been made, no spills. What does not suit you? Do you have any idea what an oil bush looks like?
        1. Suhov
          Suhov April 18 2013 13: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Rudakov
          Do you have any idea what an oil bush looks like?

          How is a cactus? With pleasure you will not sit?
          1. Rudakov
            Rudakov April 18 2013 14: 31 New
            -2
            you're a Fursenka victim, I'm sure.)) you're already everywhere, Russia, cry.
        2. 755962
          755962 April 18 2013 14: 13 New
          10
          And do not fall for the "oil needle" and sell only oil, but place greater emphasis on the sale of petroleum products. And this means building oil refining facilities, thereby increasing the profitability of production. And at the same time creating jobs, which means a tax to the treasury again it is easier for Toko "ours" to drive raw materials and money offshore than to invest in the country's future ...
          1. Alejandro
            Alejandro April 18 2013 22: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: 755962
            And don't be fooled by the "oil needle"

            +++ Oil over income is a blessing for Russia, only a handful of oligarchs and the US Federal Reserve use this blessing. But now, with the high price of oil and gas, Russia has a chance to reduce taxes and support its producers.
            In the case of a technological “breakthrough” scenario, Russia will have a chance to jump off the needle.
            In this case, Russia will not have a chance, but forced and painful reforms in the absence of finance and stability.
      8. TRAFFIC
        TRAFFIC April 18 2013 14: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Xtra1l
        This is what the landscape looks like after shale
        This landscape is from the Jonah Field natural gas field, not shale gas.
      9. NAPOLEON
        NAPOLEON April 18 2013 18: 27 New
        +1
        and you saw what our tundra looks like after the gas workers of the oil industry.
    5. Suhov
      Suhov April 18 2013 14: 52 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      And at the expense of the "shale revolution", it is not yet known how it will end for the "revolutionaries" themselves

      If we use the concepts of "oil needle", then:
      Now the drug is heroin
      They cook - "crocodile".
      Not just dope, but poison too!
      hi
    6. nycsson
      nycsson April 18 2013 19: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      it is time for Russia to turn its plans into reality. And at the expense of the "shale revolution", it is not yet known how it will end for the "revolutionaries" themselves

      It is time for Russia to smoothly move from a sale of raw materials to a new industrialization!
    7. APASUS
      APASUS April 18 2013 22: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And at the expense of the "shale revolution", it is not yet known how it will end for the "revolutionaries" themselves

      This whole revolution smacks of bullshit!
      All publications in the media and the announcement of sad forecasts on the one hand. And the capture of Iraq, Libya with oil deposits under democratic slogans on the other!
      The Americans didn’t tuck into the deserted coast of Somalia, and there they don’t respect human rights and there is NO democracy! And most importantly, Samoli has no oil !!!
    8. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 19 2013 01: 14 New
      0
      But we have a "nonochub".
  2. DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA April 18 2013 08: 07 New
    +4
    I think that all this is exaggerated. So to say, fan the fire so that the Russians are thoughtful.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 08: 45 New
      11
      Quote: DEDUCHKA
      So to say, fan the fire so that the Russians are thoughtful.

      And what do we think, we have enough oil and gas, there is no need to litter the environment. After their shale, amers will already export potable water from Russia or put desalination plants to make seawater.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin April 18 2013 09: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        After their shale, amers will already export drinking water from Russia

        Therefore, they come to Baikal with saliva and announce the property of the whole world, that is, their own. Let them improve the technology, learn from their mistakes, be smart at strangers, let's see how many epidemics they survive.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 10: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Strezhevchanin

          Therefore, they come to Baikal with saliva and announce the property of the whole world, i.e. their

          There is such an expression-choked with saliva, and maybe not an expression hi
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 18 2013 10: 16 New
        21
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what do we think, we have enough oil and gas, there is no need to litter the environment. After their shale, amers will already export potable water from Russia or put desalination plants to make seawater.


        But what about the global freshwater shortage? At first they scared that 1,2 billion people in the world were thirsty for the extensive use of water resources, but now it’s silent, there’s no problem, but for the benefit of the shale revolution. In general, any company seeks to earn money by selling its shares at the maximum price, and then comes the kernel and stocks turn to dust, and all those involved in this process are suckers and losers.
        Once the United States dragged the USSR into an intolerable arms race, using the idea of ​​"Star Wars". It was a bluff, and the Americans themselves did not build any SDI (strategic defense initiative).
        Today, the United States uses shale gas as an economic bluff.
        Chain: Halliburton Owner
        - Dick Cheney - Vice President under D. Bush Jr.
        - Halliburton loopholes (corruption conspiracy) - pollution
        groundwater - net loss of $ 10 billion per year - shale bubble - fermentation
        “Shale assets” to suckers
        - well, the last remaining, gas bankruptcy
        companies and an increase in unsuitable land for living and shortage of drinking water.
        In 2005. Cheney lobbied for a law that would remove the hydraulic fracturing process from the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), that is, the shale mining process was recognized as environmentally friendly. The 2005 law is known as the Halliburton loophole. So you can drill anywhere, as you like and as long as you need. And since the rate of depletion of wells requires their constant growth in a geometric progression, the law of the collapse of the pyramid will work sooner or later and the tops need to dump unprofitable assets or involve as many suckers as possible in this pyramid (Ukraine has already been involved), it turns out something like a mortgage bubble with which began the global financial crisis, or, to put it simply, another scam from the financial tycoons on Wall Street.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 10: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: Ascetic
          groundwater - net loss of $ 10 billion per year - shale bubble - fermentation
          “Shale assets” to suckers - well, the last remaining, gas bankruptcy

          Hi Stanislav! This had to be laid out by the professor in a previous topic. He talked about super profits from oil shale there. Terminals for export are built, even posted a photo laughing
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 18 2013 11: 02 New
            12
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hi Stanislav! This had to be laid out by the professor in a previous topic. He talked about super profits from oil shale there. Terminals for export are built, even posted a photo

            Hello Sasha! Yesterday, when Oleg celebrated the anniversary of the mosaic with us, arrived late (I join in the congratulations, it's better late than never), looked at the branches and told my wife today the anniversary of the geopolitical mosaic should be noted ... she looked at me like a patient because she doesn’t know .. .So here, the debate on this topic is reminiscent of a dialogue between a fool and a liar, where the professor is always right, and fools need to learn the materiel
            He is really right if you are now playing on the inflated rush demand, then you can profit from the purchase and further resale of growing in price shares of "sent companies", ideally, the point of the highest rise in the share price is already known to a narrow circle of financial speculators, so you can still weld up until the moment an irreplaceable decline in this rate (a landslide or gradual is not so important). As in any pyramid, whoever got up earlier and slippers.
            There is nothing to prove anyway with the handshake you will be an agent of Gazprom, putinoid. an anti-Semite and a corrupt agent of the "Kremlin special services". By the way, there was a case, a long time ago they issued a pass to the objects of the GRU (the Dozor system), so shta-ah ... they recruited a pancake smile
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 11: 22 New
              +4
              Quote: Ascetic

              He is right, if you are now playing on the inflated rush demand, then you can profit from the purchase and further resale of the growing in price shares of the "sent companies

              No, the bazaar was not for shares, but for the real prosperity of gas companies producing oil shale. The profit was not air, inflated on shares, but real.
              Quote: Ascetic
              By the way, there was a thing, they had long ago issued a pass to the GRU

              Well, I understand. What you mishandled laughing
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic April 18 2013 11: 50 New
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, I understand. What you mishandled


                In this case, the shale laughing


                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, the bazaar was not for shares, but for the real prosperity of gas companies producing oil shale. The profit was not air, inflated on shares, but real.


                According to geologist David Hughes, corporate spending on drilling more than 7 wells in the United States amounted to $ 42 billion. Profit from the sale of extracted shale gas - 32,5 billion. BP claimed a loss of $ 5 billion, the British BG Group lost 1,3 billion, but worst of all, the former industry leader: Chesapeake Energy - on the verge of bankruptcy.
                “The countries where they are going to produce shale gas are waiting for the same thing that happened with us. At first there was a short boom, some new jobs, but when the bubble bursts, bad ecology and destroyed infrastructure will remain, as in Dimok. It will also be in Latvia, and in Ireland, and in Ukraine. People will face even greater problems than they had before the gas came, ”
                - Professor of Bloomsburg University Wendy Lee.
                “Shale gas is the best energy news in the last 50 years. In the long run, it is potentially capable of replacing liquid fuels in the US. ”
                - This report in 2010 will blow up exchanges. For six months, investors are buying up shares of gas companies for $ 21 billion.
                Report co-author John Mark Deutsch - Former CIA Director. Now - Supervisory Board Member, Cheniere Energy and Schlumbergerwho stood at the origins of the shale revolution.

                In 2013, the United States did not have a single profitable well producing shale gas.
                source link
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 16: 04 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Ascetic

                  In 2013, the United States did not have a single profitable well producing shale gas.

                  Hi invested in shale gas laughing
      3. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 April 18 2013 12: 24 New
        +4
        Cool business: to produce gas, dirt water, use gas to produce electricity, use electricity to desalinate water.
        But water will cost more than whiskey; gas is too expensive.
    2. Suhov
      Suhov April 18 2013 14: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: DEDUCHKA
      So to say, fan the fire so that the Russians are thoughtful.

      I wonder how, if anything, they will put out a fire in the place of shale gas production?
      The water is carbonated ...
      If the Americans ask such a question, will they think? Do you get a hint?
  3. radio operator
    radio operator April 18 2013 08: 09 New
    +2
    Right, let them reckon with us.
    And we must not relax.
  4. Canep
    Canep April 18 2013 08: 09 New
    +2
    All these are only forecasts, in life there will be a lot of pitfalls in this "Shale Revolution". I recall the euphoria at the beginning of the operation of nuclear power plants: there is no need for coal in trains, it does not smoke, it is not expensive, etc., but in reality everything turned out to be more complicated. And then the consumption of hydrocarbons in the world is only growing.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov April 18 2013 09: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Canep
      All these are only forecasts, in life there will be a lot of pitfalls in this "Shale Revolution".

      It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ...
  5. domokl
    domokl April 18 2013 08: 13 New
    +4
    Something very ancient comes into my head ... The Star Wars program in a new version. Energy needs will constantly grow and this is an unapplied fact. Production will grow accordingly, simply because it is necessary to maintain the order of prices.
    Today, and even for the next 10-15 years, shale gas is not only unprofitable, but also dangerous. Americans and Europeans will not go to an environmental catastrophe for the sake of gas ... And, therefore, Russia will sit on an oil needle for these 10-15 years and laugh
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 08: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      . Americans and Europeans will not go to ecological disaster for the sake of gas.

      Hello Sasha! Today, above the mind are the lobby and momentary political gain, well, someone's personal financial interests. Now Obama has started a game that they are type energetically independent of the world. Even if everything goes wrong, it’s politically unprofitable to admit defeat in shale mining, so continue to litter the environment. There Khmelnitsky in a previous topic talked about exploding shells from which instead of water flows the result of shale gas production.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 18 2013 09: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . There, Khmelnitsky in a previous topic talked about exploding shells from which instead of water flows the result of shale gas production.
        Greetings Sash hi That's right. Just add, the Americans are so accustomed to their exclusivity and wealth that the average person simply does not understand how it happened, what they depend on?
        The game goes in two directions - to inspire confidence in its exclusivity and God's chosenness and others to frighten others .. The type will end your time soon, let's get more so that the price becomes lower and then maybe we won’t produce shale and other gas
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 10: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          , let's get more so that the price becomes lower and then maybe we will not produce shale and other gas

          A year ago, it would have rolled, and now the emergence of the consequences of production, the real price and bankrupt shale mining companies has begun. So now Miller GAS is trying to bring down the hiccups caused by laughter from shale gas production in the USAhi
    2. Suhov
      Suhov April 18 2013 09: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Americans and Europeans will not go to ecological disaster for the sake of gas ...

      And if they do, they will have to buy drinking water instead of oil ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 10: 40 New
        +8
        Quote: Sukhov
        then instead of oil they will have to buy drinking water ...

        Well, now there is still water to build belay So Russia still jumps off the oil needle what Oh, we lived quietly sitting on an oil needle, now we sit on a water needle laughing
        1. Suhov
          Suhov April 18 2013 11: 01 New
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          now sit on the water needle

          But it will be easier to breathe!

          My life passed in an atmosphere of oil and gas.
          Victor Chernomyrdin.
          laughing
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 18 2013 12: 05 New
          10
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Oh, we lived quietly sitting on an oil needle, now we sit on a water needle


          The question is serious. over here in the area of ​​water intake and natural lakes in the north of the Moscow Region (Lake Senezh with a chain of lakes), since the time of Luzhkov, we have been fighting the people against the construction by the Muscovites of a cemetery on the lands of a bankrupt state farm bought by Luzhkov, While the situation is neither here or there. How will be unknown further. Now I have a well on the site, the water is delicious. LIVE and environmentally friendly and healthy, at least send for export good And what will happen if there is a cemetery in the groundwater zone? The question is rhetorical ... I also think if it will be worse with shale as well ... Therefore, this topic is most understandable and close to me, you cannot replace clean water with any coolers and money, you can only irretrievably lose what is created by nature itself.
          1. gizz
            gizz April 18 2013 13: 55 New
            +5
            I’ll put in my five kopecks about the current environmental situation.

            Gas in itself in this aspect does not represent any value (we are not talking about the chemical industry), but is needed only for generating electricity. To get it, this gas must be burned, spending about 11 cubic meters of air per cubic meter of natural gas.

            The main producers of oxygen on the planet are the taiga and the ocean (tropical forests, which have been destroyed so much by scandals, consume a little less oxygen themselves than they produce, mainly for decay). We also have taiga in Canada, and both countries seem to be competing: who will quickly destroy their reserves. The ocean is thoroughly polluted (poisoned), its productivity is constantly decreasing (moreover, the mattress covers play the main role - they have them instead of garbage, well, China and Japan are not far behind, and the others are smaller, but also crap if possible).
            Terrestrial biota currently compensates for only about 13% of the anthropogenic oxygen consumption associated with the burning of fossil fuels.

            Something like that.
            1. jjj
              jjj April 18 2013 22: 34 New
              +2
              Over the past twenty-five years, we do not choose a planned cutting area. That is, the forest grows faster than we cut down its planned part. In other words, Russia is growing in forests. It’s just bad that relict forests that are five hundred to six hundred years old are often cut down.
              1. 73petia
                73petia April 19 2013 04: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: jjj
                That is, the forest grows faster than we cut down its planned part.

                These fields are not plowed overgrown.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac April 19 2013 04: 24 New
      0
      Quote: domokl
      Production will increase accordingly, simply because the price order needs to be maintained.

      There is no need at all to maintain the order of prices; it is important to prevent an abrupt increase in prices. The time will come (not soon) and shales and hydrates will also be used, and then it will come to the lunar reserves of helium-3
  6. pensioner
    pensioner April 18 2013 08: 15 New
    +3
    Gazprom already for 5 years realized that the time of super-profits is over. The program to reduce costs and increase profitability within the corporation is being carried out with might and main. Intelligent personnel are flowing into Gazprom in an ever-increasing number. The mess is enough, but the trend is obvious.
  7. fenix57
    fenix57 April 18 2013 08: 15 New
    +2
    There are more than enough versions on this issue. There are enough specialists in the economic-political-oil and gas industry in Russia to make a technological "breakthrough" in Russia. They won't be wrong (hopefully)!
  8. limon
    limon April 18 2013 08: 19 New
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VORKFiBL1ow
  9. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 18 2013 08: 30 New
    +6
    Of course, there are risks, since science and technology does not stand still. The way out is the development of competitive production of high-tech goods !!! Miler is stirring up something! Again, attracting foreigners .... the campaign wants to continue to rob and rape our mother nature! But what exactly infuriates is the fact that they are all lazy, accustomed to go the easiest way. Instead of inviting the bourgeoisie, it would be better if they built factories! Again, a murky mysticism about hydrocarbon production technologies ... ... our country has colossal production experience, I think our technologies are in no way inferior to foreign ones! The report is made, so to speak, on "ot ... go and give me money, we are not to blame that everything is missed ... m!"
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 18 2013 08: 39 New
    +2
    Well, the experts calculated that Barack's ears were simply blown out. No prospect in shale reserves. And the fact that the Merikatos have already in reality seized grief from digging these shale is a fact. And they drink water, it is not clear what carbonated water, and the land falls into the unknown where and how deep, and the release of gases into the atmosphere cannot be understood what. This is the beginning of their energetic end. Well, against the background of this, why should they not fight with someone else for energy resources. Who is next there?
  11. fenix57
    fenix57 April 18 2013 08: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: krasin
    Amers raised the topic of shale gas production.

    This topic has already "burst" like a bubble, there is such an opinion:: http: //pda.warandpeace.ru/ru/exclusive/view/78275/
  12. Dejavu
    Dejavu April 18 2013 08: 55 New
    +2
    Apparently, Russia will soon begin to actively export drinking water as well, its burgs will be covered with shale explosions. A trifle, but nice :)
  13. T-130
    T-130 April 18 2013 08: 56 New
    +1
    As far as I understand, most experts agree on the shale is nonsense! To produce them cost-effectively, taking into account environmental costs, the gas price should be at least about half.
  14. rugor
    rugor April 18 2013 09: 03 New
    +9
    Russia needs to develop a real manufacturing sector and high technology. At all times, the military industrial complex was the locomotive in this area. And the volumes of oil supplied over the hillock need to be reduced, there is nothing to feed them.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 19 2013 04: 29 New
      0
      Quote: rugor
      Russia needs to develop a real manufacturing sector and high technology. At all times, the military industrial complex was the locomotive in this area. And the volumes of oil supplied over the hillock need to be reduced, there is nothing to feed them.

      This is one of the classic misconceptions - leaving oil to posterity. The time will come and they will find a replacement for oil, then we with our reserves "saved for posterity" will look pale. The Stone Age did not end because the stones ended.
  15. Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor April 18 2013 09: 09 New
    +3
    our speakers are some alarmists bully Can Pankering paid?
  16. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 18 2013 09: 11 New
    +4
    Is it only Russia that is engaged in oil and gas production in the world? And if the "breakthrough" option (which is highly doubtful) succeeds, all other oil exporters will suffer.
  17. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 18 2013 09: 16 New
    +1
    Not always a carnival cat!

    I feel sorry for them.
  18. darksoul
    darksoul April 18 2013 09: 18 New
    +4
    it’s time to get off the oil and gas needles ..... and the US slogan breakthrough resembles the second star wars like a Reagan at one time .... there are too many pitfalls there ... but such statements will certainly be on the market to influence ... the oil over there has already fallen in price .... that's why for some reason I drive up to the gas station and gasoline is getting more and more expensive, gentlemen, officials, on the contrary, everything should be, I want it to be 17 rubles per liter as before laughing
  19. mogus
    mogus April 18 2013 09: 23 New
    +4
    oil shale - in 4 years of production, volumes are reduced 10 times (is it profitable?), while chemicals and a lot of water are needed. To mine in this way for a long time, they will need to poison large areas - they are unlikely to go for it. then all this is temporary (for what purpose?). Now the price of gold has fallen - the price is determined by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. Why did they lower the price? - with the last bit of strength trying to show that the dollar has a price, and gold may "fall".
  20. Smoke
    Smoke April 18 2013 09: 24 New
    +5
    for heaven’s sake, let them blow up their land as much as they want)) I personally have 15 hectares - I’m planting potatoes on a kraynyak from hunger, I will not die
    And in general, I got the following impression from all these experts: the more "dangerous" the forecast, the more valuable the expert who gave this forecast))
  21. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 April 18 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    And have they already pinched Che?
  22. Smoke
    Smoke April 18 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: darksoul
    it’s time to get off the oil and gas needles ..... and the US slogan breakthrough resembles the second star wars like a Reagan at one time .... there are too many pitfalls there ... but such statements will certainly be on the market to influence ... the oil over there has already fallen in price .... that's why for some reason I drive up to the gas station and gasoline is getting more and more expensive, gentlemen, officials, on the contrary, everything should be, I want it to be 17 rubles per liter as before laughing


    here a plus, in a country that produces so much oil, gas prices should be a priori the lowest
  23. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 April 18 2013 09: 45 New
    12
    The most optimal scenario for Russia is not to sell a single gram of gas and oil over a hill, but to use them for the development of its energy and transport.
    In Russia, electricity and fuel prices for transport are too high, and this slows down the development of industry and agriculture.
    And if the guys over the hill need our oil and gas, let them buy for rubles at our prices.
    This is the most optimal scenario for Russia.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 18 2013 12: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      The most optimal scenario for Russia is not to sell a single gram of gas and oil over a hill, but to use them for the development of its energy and transport.

      Russia already consumes more than 40% of its hydrocarbons domestically.
      and what will happen to the country if you stop selling oil and gas? where do you get the currency? The USSR also sold oil and gas, the question is - why did he do it? Gaddafi and Hussein also did not want to sell their oil for dollars, and what happened to them? where are they now?
    2. Earthman
      Earthman April 18 2013 12: 56 New
      -9
      You will live again in Sovkostan
  24. Opera
    Opera April 18 2013 09: 50 New
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Something very ancient comes into my head ... Star Wars program in a new version

    That's exactly what I thought.
  25. Smirnov Vadim
    Smirnov Vadim April 18 2013 09: 52 New
    0
    Comment check
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim April 18 2013 09: 53 New
      0
      http://topwar.ru/26854-kak-amerika-prischemit-rossiyu.html
    2. fantast
      fantast April 18 2013 09: 53 New
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  26. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 18 2013 09: 58 New
    +2
    It’s written by a pitchfork on the water, from the Americans it’s like verbal masturbation, the worse the forecast for Russia or China, the more valuable it is, I don’t know whether it’s good or bad, but the United States is becoming more and more like the late USSR.
  27. Suhov
    Suhov April 18 2013 10: 01 New
    0
    Selling gas at previous prices is unlikely to succeed.

    I hope ...
    Tired of the existing boorish approach of homegrown oil workers to the domestic consumer:
    The fair price of gasoline is as much as you can get for it, plus ten percent.
  28. Suhov
    Suhov April 18 2013 10: 04 New
    0
    Selling gas at previous prices is unlikely to succeed.

    I hope ...
    Tired of the existing boorish approach of homegrown oil workers to the domestic consumer:
    The fair price for gas and gas is as much as you can get for them, plus ten percent.
    1. ultra
      ultra April 18 2013 10: 53 New
      +4
      The gas price structure includes 12 parameters, and more than half of the cost is taxes. There are only four of them: mineral extraction tax (MET) is 8,11% of the cost of gasoline, income tax is about 10%, VAT is 15,25% and the largest tax component is excise tax, which accounts for 17,64%. Another 30% is the profit of producers and sellers of fuel, and production and transportation costs in the price of gasoline are less than 20%. It is noteworthy that the share of the price of crude oil in the cost of gasoline is only 3,68%. hi
  29. avt
    avt April 18 2013 10: 09 New
    0
    “Further, the authors advise to involve foreign partners in consortia for the development of resources (especially in the eastern part of Russia, on the shelves and" unconventional "fields). Foreign investments will go to the country, and with them advanced technologies. Under the “ruriks”, it is likely that “tight control of costs” and “performance efficiency” will also be ensured (here, obviously, there is a clear hint that our people are not able to control or pleasantly surprise with the results). "Additional guarantees of product sales" will also be received. " , .... you are at the door, they are at the window ... "I do not know how VVP, but Twitter Aifonych Vsekhmedvedy will definitely behave after the shelf was given to the Norwegians, well, I have absolutely no doubt.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov April 18 2013 10: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: avt
      and then like Vysotsky’s, .... you’re at the door, they’re at the window ...

      And what would you like? Israel does not have its own: neither oil nor gas.

      Golda Meir also saddened about this:
      Moses drove us through the desert for 40 years to lead to the only place in the Middle East where there is no oil ...
  30. RUSmen
    RUSmen April 18 2013 10: 22 New
    +2
    I think amers are promoting themselves to draw attention to themselves (death agony) to distract buyers from Russia. They are clearly inventing some kind of "behind-the-gas gases" in large numbers, this whole story looks like a story with the F-35 (military aircraft) = promoted, even managed to find suckers, signed contracts, collected loot, and the existence of these F-35s under doubt. I personally do not believe in these drones.
    1. avt
      avt April 18 2013 10: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: RUSmen
      I think amers are promoting themselves to draw attention to themselves (death agony) to distract buyers from Russia. They are clearly inventing some kind of "behind-the-gas" in large numbers, this whole story looks like the story of the F-35

      Rather, the "fall" in oil prices of the late USSR.
      1. RUSmen
        RUSmen April 18 2013 12: 06 New
        +1
        It was then under the USSR under the leadership of Brezhny (stagnant times) if these "members" of the party would move (only mumbled from the TV screen), maybe this WOULD not happen, okay, it's all in the past, now our oilmen are prowling all over the cracks of the globe under the ass of amers oil and gas are extracted (Cuba), they intercepted a hose in Venezuela. Amerov is enraged by this and let the stench all over the world.
    2. Akatsubasa
      Akatsubasa April 18 2013 10: 32 New
      +2
      F35 is still flowers, they are already the sixth generation shouting that they sent to the development. The only air power country in the world where there have never been 3 generation fighters of their own, but there were 4 generation fighters that received lyuley from our MiG 21 and MiG 23)

      Coming back to the topic, shale gas is not even a bubble or a scam. This is barbarism in all its glory. As a biologist, my heart bleeds when I understand that the result of this "revolution" will be thousands of hectares of alienated and unusable lands ... But as a citizen of Russia, it suits me that Americans are shitting in their own yard. Human stupidity is immeasurable, it is impossible to make an "innovative scientific" leap in an EXTENSIVE way with a useful life of each cell for 1-2 years ... Yes, they will get a lot of money from this, but they will spend even more on the restoration of those same alienated lands that they themselves and will spawn)
  31. grandfather
    grandfather April 18 2013 10: 24 New
    +1
    all this is horror stories against Russia, to swallow dust in the west to swallow.
    frankly speaking, in Russia the Russians themselves do not yet fully know what lies in the bowels of the motherland.
    all this is PR moves to bring down the price of energy resources no more.
    in 10 years we’ll look at independent American energy, and the report shows that we will see the lunar American landscape.
  32. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx April 18 2013 10: 25 New
    +2
    I do not pretend to be an expert assessment, but as an option such a plot:
    - a number of experts have already expressed the opinion that the current price of shale gas in the United States is lower than the cost of production, transportation (after analyzing information on shale gas production I see no reason to doubt it), further exploitation of existing wells will be accompanied by a sharp drop in their output and the cost of shale gas will only grow
    - I suppose at the moment in some form the price difference is subsidized from the US budget.
    I think the goal of these actions is not domination in the energy market in the long run, but a fall in natural gas prices in the near future, and as a result, lower revenues to the federal and, as a consequence, to the military budgets. Surely in the next 3-5 years the United States will once again work out a scenario for overcoming the economic crisis with the help of a world meat grinder, which is impossible without the participation of key players in Russia and China. Given the active rearmament of the Russian army (with all the attendant pitfalls and corruption), time is playing against us and against them, so the main goal is not to give a good rearmament, and shale gas with PR around it is one of many mechanisms for this.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov April 18 2013 10: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      which is impossible without participation key players in Russia and China

      Russians are surprisingly Europeans, turning east:
      In relations between Russia and China, oil and gas will gradually supplant Marx and Lenin.
  33. ausguck
    ausguck April 18 2013 10: 26 New
    +5
    All this "shale revolution" very much reminds me of the SDI project, if anyone remembers .... We were also scared by "Star Wars", in fact, everything turned out to be a grandiose scam with the aim of dissolving the USSR into money ...
    1. Akatsubasa
      Akatsubasa April 18 2013 10: 34 New
      +1
      Exactly, comrade! The exact same thought occurred to me!
  34. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx April 18 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    To the author + for the article and in general for the publication of systematic quality material
  35. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator April 18 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    Another Amerian butophore.
  36. kontrol
    kontrol April 18 2013 10: 36 New
    +1
    again, talk about the raw material igloo. well and what? what we are rich in and we sell. everyone does that. even the amers even want to sit on this igloo only they can do it badly. it’s good to only sprinkle poison and give useless advice. And to make forecasts about how it would be bad for us without them. It’s strange - the world’s floor doesn’t produce anything at all and no one is worried about this alone. The USA is worried about our future.
    1. Akatsubasa
      Akatsubasa April 18 2013 10: 38 New
      +1
      To take care of weakening a competitor’s position and keeping them at such a stable level for as long as possible is a hallmark of a market economy)
  37. andrejwz
    andrejwz April 18 2013 10: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: INTER
    Recently I watched a video report about shale gas, everything is inflated and advertised, ecology causes irreparable damage, companies miners are unprofitable. So this is all nonsense.

    In my opinion, even if not experienced, the shale revolution is the greatest of the hoaxes of our time with far-reaching goals.
    And more.
    The soil turns into scorched earth. It looks like a lunar landscape. Few would agree to this

    You tell Yanukovych this.
  38. lubin
    lubin April 18 2013 10: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Smoke
    Quote: darksoul
    it’s time to get off the oil and gas needles ..... and the US slogan breakthrough resembles the second star wars like a Reagan at one time .... there are too many pitfalls there ... but such statements will certainly be on the market to influence ... the oil over there has already fallen in price .... that's why for some reason I drive up to the gas station and gasoline is getting more and more expensive, gentlemen, officials, on the contrary, everything should be, I want it to be 17 rubles per liter as before laughing


    here a plus, in a country that produces so much oil, gas prices should be a priori the lowest

    First you need to figure it out with NPOs, and then you can talk about lowering energy prices inside RUSSIA. Well, I don’t believe the Anglo-Saxons, I believe the mattresses affected by shale gas production, but they don’t. I had enough of star wars and the collapse of the USSR. we don’t need any foreign woes of specialists here, enough to eat, children are ashamed to look in the eyes. hi
  39. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 April 18 2013 10: 43 New
    +1
    Another Star Wars. Americans are well-known PR people. They will kill the environment and will buy water - a flag in hand, a KAMAZ towards. And most likely they will sign other experimental subjects for this topic - Ukraine, for example. And Russia will have another reason to worry about its economy - after all, it is not a single gas.
  40. Suhov
    Suhov April 18 2013 11: 09 New
    +1
    Dmitry Mendeleev, Russian scientist, chemist:
    Burning oil is like burning a stove with banknotes.
    And solar energy is underdeveloped because the sun does not belong to oil companies.
    what
  41. Forget
    Forget April 18 2013 11: 09 New
    +2
    Selling gas at previous prices is unlikely to succeed. The only way out is

    burn it and generate energy and supply it at low prices to the population and enterprises. this is possible since gas reserves are huge and production costs are low.
  42. pantech15
    pantech15 April 18 2013 11: 11 New
    0
    I believe that the Americans are just beginning to convulse, although I probably exaggerated a little bit just the stability of the United States rested on the financial component of the state. As we saw, these obligations turned out to be mostly dummies and investors began to look more at material components, which is why now the hype in the market of precious metals does not look at the dollar as a guarantee of stability because it is frankly not provided for anything other than the United States ( I’m not talking about intellectual property because it is in the hands of private owners) here the Americans are using the media and trying to assure the world that they have both gas and oil, and even in gigantic quantities, and this fact surfaced for some reason precisely after big problems with the American fin . institutions and not at a time when oil and gas were much more expensive than current prices, although shale mining technology is far from new
    1. Simon
      Simon April 18 2013 22: 23 New
      0
      My opinion is that the Americans are starting to panic due to the coming energy hunger, they are starting to rush from corner to corner. Starting to extract shale gas, they do not even care about the ecology of their country. When they poison nature in their country, it will be impossible to live there.
  43. pensioner
    pensioner April 18 2013 11: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Smoke
    for heaven’s sake, let them blow up their land as much as they want)) I personally have 15 hectares - I’m planting potatoes on a kraynyak from hunger, I will not die

    If you highlight a couple of hundredths near the fence? And I can help as I can.
  44. pensioner
    pensioner April 18 2013 11: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Sukhov
    Not so much the pipe feeds as its branches ...

    During an inspection of a gas pipeline in Kazakhstan, an unauthorized tie-in to the MG was discovered. The guards who arrived made oh, very surprised faces. They said they would punish everyone. But they asked me to leave quickly. Well, keep quiet just in case.
  45. Prinse
    Prinse April 18 2013 11: 54 New
    +1
    What the hell shale gas ate its production does not even pay off, plus huge damage to the environment and many other factors. Our reserves are huge and even if we get them less, then our children will get at least something for their grandchildren, and in our valiant America even nature will be polluted. According to the director of the Institute of Oil and Gas Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Academician Anatoly Dmitrievsky, the cost of shale gas production in the USA for 2012 is at least $ 150 per thousand cubic meters. According to most experts, the cost of shale gas production in countries such as Ukraine, Poland and China will be several times higher than in the United States.

    The cost of shale gas is higher than traditional. So, in Russia, the cost of natural gas from old gas fields, taking into account transportation costs, is about $ 50 per thousand cubic meters. m
  46. Tektor
    Tektor April 18 2013 11: 55 New
    0
    We sell too much gas and oil in the EU. This leads us (the producer of energy resources) to DEPENDENCE on them (the consumer of energy resources). It is necessary to reduce this dependence, to reduce supplies to Europe, due to deliveries to other areas, primarily to the Pacific.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov April 18 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Tektor
      It is necessary to reduce this dependence, to reduce deliveries to Europe, due to deliveries to other areas, primarily to the Pacific.

      Russians are surprisingly Europeans, turning east:
      In relations between Russia and China, oil and gas will gradually supplant Marx and Lenin.
      hi
  47. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 April 18 2013 12: 09 New
    +3
    Our pipelines are already built and are paying off.
    Profits a little more, a little less - but it will be !!!
    The system provided by the RF Armed Forces is working.
    For this, the rearmament of the army was contemplated.
    On what to make the income we decide along the way.
  48. Black
    Black April 18 2013 12: 45 New
    -2
    I am delighted with the shale capabilities of America.
    This is not at all, we still have time. an oil needle ruined the USSR, ruined Russia,
    and here there is a threat of market loss, maybe we’ll slowly get off the freebie.
  49. Grbear
    Grbear April 18 2013 12: 53 New
    +1
    The Shale Hydrocarbons project allows America to solve several problems:
    • Provision of relatively short-term energy security. At the same time, by destroying the infrastructures of the "hydrocarbon" states, create in their place potential borrowers of "easy-to-print" dollars.
    • Support of own economy due to state subsidizing of the project.
    • Give hope to Europe and China for an opportunity to "get off the Russian needle" and drag them into the costs of dead-end technology.

    Well, and the fact that Miller's "team" needs to be put in order is obvious. The oil industry should work for Russia, not for itself.
    1. Akatsubasa
      Akatsubasa April 18 2013 13: 02 New
      0
      Quote: GrBear

      • Support of own economy due to state subsidizing of the project.

      Sorry, but how can a country with such a large domestic debt allow itself to take on obligations on such huge projects? No, of course, one can recall the notorious machine tool and that currency depreciation is the most advantageous circumstance for paying a debt ... But vague doubts torment me, and then what?) Well, some kind of too speculative information.
  50. Naval
    Naval April 18 2013 13: 00 New
    +2
    It is very similar to a well-planned misinformation, they say, we will fill the whole world with oil, be afraid and tremble. Although it would not hurt our oil oligarchs to think, it’s not all the same to buy football clubs and yachts, it would be necessary to invest in production.