I don't want to study - I want to get married

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I don't want to study - I want to get married


Studying too much is harmful


The old truth that ordinary people in Russia are well versed in education, medicine and politics, it is time to supplement it with demography. Increasing the birth rate is now at the forefront of almost all social initiatives. They act prohibitively - they limit access to the abortion procedure and punish for its promotion, reduce the range of emergency contraception in pharmacies. They act in an incentive way - elements of family studies are introduced into the school curriculum, students are promised lucrative financial bonuses in the event of the birth of their first child. It has gotten to the point that in some regions schoolgirls are paid solid money for pregnancy. A young mother who has not reached the age of majority can receive up to 150 thousand rubles. But these are all tactical steps.



The progressive decline in the number of women of childbearing age cannot but be alarming – by 2046 there will be no more than 27,5 million of them left. Now there are about 34 million, and in 2005 there were 39 million. As the latest story, in the matter of increasing the birth rate, all methods are good for Russian legislators. Especially when they are of a strategic scale, that is, the effectiveness of the proposed measures can be assessed in ten or twenty years. When the authors of the idea will be able to bribe without any problems. For example, the head of the Commission on Demography of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, Sergei Rybalchenko, proposed reducing school education from 11 years to 10. The motivation is simple and reliable, like a Kalashnikov assault rifle: the earlier you finish your education, the faster you start a family. It should be noted that the idea has a very lively statistical basis. This year, the average age of a woman getting married has reached 33 years, and for men – 35 years. And there is no hope of reducing this figure.


At first glance, there is nothing criminal in reducing the eleven-year education. So what if they spend one year less at school desks? But now Russia has a two-tier school education system – a 9-year basic general education and an 11-year secondary general education. If we follow Rybalchenko’s logic, children will enter secondary vocational schools after the eighth grade. There is no point in explaining how ready modern youth are to master working professions at the age of 14 – infantilization has captured the younger generation. References to the Soviet past are incorrect.

Yes, they used to finish school after ten years of study, but the graduates were different - seasoned, mature and responsible. And now for zoomers (born between 1997 and 2010) they are opening courses on everyday literacy. They are not able to iron their own trousers, cook breakfast or wash their underwear. It is not their fault. The responsibility lies with their parents, teachers and the inevitable progress that simplifies and cheapens everyday life to the utmost. With the availability of funds, the service sector works wonders, but as soon as the money runs out, real life begins, for which graduates are not ready. The next point with the reduction of school education is related to the general level of knowledge of the younger generation. Young people after 11 years of study, to put it mildly, do not shine with erudition beyond the content of the Unified State Exam. Remove one year, and the situation will only worsen. The curriculum will have to be adapted to the new period of study, that is, cut. There is nothing good about this. But there is still a plus in the idea of the Public Chamber - the shortage of teachers with a reduction in the workload in the ten-year school will be significantly reduced.

Have more children


Let's move on to the second part of Sergey Rybalchenko's initiative - a return to a 5-year education at a university. In his opinion, a successful Russian is forced to study for four years after school to get a bachelor's degree, two years for a master's degree, and then another three years to adapt. And only by the age of 27 does his life return to normal, and when it does, it's time to have children. It's hard to disagree with the criticism of the Bologna education system (we're talking about it now). Especially when you're interested in the intensity of the educational process at most universities. The study regime there is extremely relaxed, which makes you think about the artificiality of the two-tier system of higher education. Why stretch out for six years what can be painlessly packed into five years?

After 2022, the Ministry of Higher Education and Science kept saying that Russia would finally say goodbye to the Bologna Convention. Say goodbye? The bachelor's degree remained 4 years long, and the master's degree 2 years long. Only now, when moving to the highest level, the range of possible specialties was narrowed. A bachelor's degree economist will not be able to become a nuclear physicist. The most responsible universities retained, or rather, won the right to teach students for five years. If we take the return to a specialist's degree or a five-year education at a university as a starting point, then theoretically we will achieve several goals at once.

Firstly, the age of social maturation will decrease – a certificate of higher education gives confidence in the future, and with it the desire to start a family. Secondly, it will be easier on the labor market, which currently has an excess of vacancies. Young people will start earning money earlier, and this will have a positive effect on the birth rate. It is worth mentioning right away that this is far from the only factor in the natural population growth, but it cannot be ignored. Thirdly, the intensification of the educational process cannot but affect the level of education. A student, like a soldier, must be constantly busy, otherwise bad thoughts will creep into his head. For example, to quit school and become a courier. And there the salary will be higher than that of a young design engineer. It is far from always possible to explain to young people the advantages of a career over immediate earnings.


Live and learn, not the other way around. This old as the world truth has once again reminded us of itself in light of the controversial initiative to shorten the educational period of a Russian. While one can still agree with studying at a university (although this will cause very large expenses and a real crisis in the first years), one cannot put up with a ten-year school education. Unfortunately, many ideas for increasing the birth rate in Russia run counter to common sense and the principles of social development. Sometimes it smells like Afghanistan, with its ban on female education and the like. Even if the idea succeeds, we risk increasing the birth rate by reducing the intellectual level of Russians. If this is the main idea, then welcome. By the way, countries with a low level of education have a high birth rate.

In theory, everything has long been proven and demonstrated. Russia is currently in the second demographic transition. It so happened that in our country, as in all developed countries, several factors came together at once: citizens live longer and better, women are extremely emancipated, busy at work and no longer depend on the income of their other half. And children have ceased to be a means of saving a family from trouble. Our great-great-grandmothers gave birth, first of all, for the sake of additional workers, and now children in the family, on the contrary, require serious investments. Financiers have calculated that from birth to 18 years of age, a child will require from 5,5 to 8 million rubles. Impressive, isn't it? Parents want a successful child, which is why higher education is required, and economics.
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  1. + 39
    30 July 2025 04: 31
    The road to hell is paved with "good" intentions. Our people will come up with anything, but it's like changing a burnt-out light bulb in the toilet, just unscrewing the light bulb in the bathroom. Well, I'm not a young professional anymore, I'm already 36, but I haven't started a family and there are many reasons. They are mostly economic, I simply can't afford one, I can't buy a house or support it properly, and I'm afraid of losing my job, and I have no confidence in the future. As for moral reasons, now I meet girls, and many of them are not interested in a family or even in a banal acquaintance, they only want to travel and have fun, and they are interested in you if you can sponsor all this. And this is only the most banal, the authorities simply do not understand the level of problems of the population, they are not interested in it, and therefore they are not able to solve anything. Instead of giving the opportunity to grow wheat and bake bread, it is easier to throw a bag of crackers to the people, the crackers will disperse, but the problems will not go away. There is movement, but no progress...
    1. + 14
      30 July 2025 05: 46
      I fully support it, and the situation is similar.
    2. -13
      30 July 2025 06: 27
      Maybe you're meeting the wrong girls in the wrong place? :))
      1. + 13
        30 July 2025 08: 33
        1. Family becomes a sign of prosperity, only wealthy people can afford to have children in their family. This is a worldwide trend, not counting the remnants of countries in the stage of decomposition of the tribal system.
        2. South Korea has taken a set of measures to increase the birth rate, first of all - serious financial programs. You can find experience on the Internet.
        3. The Internet is what destroyed traditional poor families. Progress is inexorable, women even in Africa have gained access to a beautiful lifestyle on social networks. And it is quite logical that they no longer want to give birth in a hovel their whole lives. They saw that everything can be DIFFERENT.
        3. Statistics are relentless - the birth rate is falling in all countries.
        1. -5
          30 July 2025 08: 37
          How many children do you have? Do you consider yourself a rich person?
          1. + 14
            30 July 2025 08: 40
            My children of the 90s have already grown up, yes it was very difficult especially in the early 00s. And yes I was not a poor person, I managed to give both of them higher education. However, the difficulties were tough. Children are an expensive pleasure. I had to work 3-4 jobs. I am not even 50, but I can already apply for disability due to health reasons.
            1. 0
              30 July 2025 08: 51
              But we raised them...we made all the decisions ourselves...my three were also born in the 90s...if there was an opportunity, then despite working in the authorities at night, I tried to earn extra money in different ways, although it was not easy...and we did not have our own place to live...I think we were raised differently, and our parents endured our difficulties and somehow we probably saw it and were prepared for them...and now...several generations do not really know them
              1. +2
                30 July 2025 09: 01
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                But we raised them...we made all the decisions ourselves...my three were also born in the 90s...if there was an opportunity, then despite working in the authorities at night, I tried to earn extra money in different ways, although it was not easy...and we did not have our own place to live...I think we were raised differently, and our parents endured our difficulties and somehow we probably saw it and were prepared for them...and now...several generations do not really know them

                I was also in uniform, I understand... however, I teach my children to live first, to drive around the country, to think carefully about everything before harnessing themselves to the strap, to create a reserve of patience and finances. They should not repeat my path.
                1. -1
                  30 July 2025 09: 07
                  So any parent wants to protect their children from problems and troubles, so that they live better, this is normal, here are mine, my son and first daughter live separately. The son is married, they are planning to have a child, the second daughter is still with us, but works and finishes college, there is no boyfriend yet, but in the foreseeable future everything will be, everyone works, they try to travel around the country, thank God they earn well.
        2. +4
          30 July 2025 10: 23
          South Korea has adopted a set of measures to increase the birth rate, primarily serious financial programs.

          as far as I remember, the birth rate there is the lowest among developed countries...
          1. +6
            30 July 2025 12: 15
            Quote: Dedok
            South Korea has adopted a set of measures to increase the birth rate, primarily serious financial programs.

            as far as I remember, the birth rate there is the lowest among developed countries...

            That's the whole point, we need to look at experience, what and how to do or there is no point. Yes, they have increased the birth rate over the last year, but by 0.2%. Maybe we should look at the experience of Japan? Which has long been in a demographic hole, but categorically refused to import migrants en masse, deciding that they can do without them. Maybe this path also has a right to exist?
            1. +2
              30 July 2025 12: 23
              That's the point, we need to look at experiencethat and how to do it or does it not make sense.

              "Experience, son of difficult mistakes..."
              there is no positive experience among developed countries, unfortunately...
              and their experience - like their automobile industry - they change their leaders, but the essence does not change...
              It remains to return to our faith: in Islam this is the core of everything, and this will not please many, many people...
              1. +2
                30 July 2025 12: 38
                Quote: Dedok
                there is no positive experience among developed countries, unfortunately...

                And what is considered a positive experience? There are only 2 criteria for assessing the success of a state: the size of the median take-home salary and life expectancy. The Japanese are using the method of less is better. In other countries, they import cheap labor so as not to pay a lot to the locals, under the pretext of a demographic hole. Like "farm laborers have no nationality."

                Quote: Dedok
                and their experience - like their automobile industry - they change their leaders, but the essence does not change...

                Strangers don't go there. Just like smart people are not allowed to enter.

                Quote: Dedok
                It remains to return to our faith: in Islam this is the core of everything, and this will not please many, many people...

                The most populous Islamic countries of the Maghreb or, for example, Iran, according to the latest statistics, have also gone into the red.
              2. 0
                31 July 2025 15: 18
                Quote: Dedok
                It remains to return to our faith: in Islam this is the core of everything, and this will not please many, many people...

                Almost all Chechen girls are determined to have at least 4 children. Probably Russians should convert to Islam if they do not want their culture to disappear. In modern Putin's Russia, some Islamic norms are very useful at least when negotiating with an employer about raising wages. All sorts of Ozones and Wildberries are already calmly calling for couriers and order pickers with shift pay of 15 rubles for a 000-hour shift. And Russian state companies are confident that they can find an engineer willing to work shifts for a salary of 12 rubles with the risk of getting a fine of 90 rubles for the slightest mistake in the form of a helmet taken off or if he is caught by security when moving to the toilet or canteen outside of an organized group accompanied by an overseer.
            2. + 10
              30 July 2025 13: 14
              Quote: Civil
              That's the point, we need to look at experience, what and how to do or not. Yes, they raised the birth rate over the last year, but by 0.2%.

              Of course, the experience of the Republic of Korea - a country equal in area to the Saratov region, but with a population 25 times greater than that of the region, a country with the largest number of industrial robots in the world per one conventional worker Yes laughing fellow will be very relevant for Russia.
              Quote: Civil
              Maybe this path also has a right to exist?

              Of course! But first you need to become South Korea, fill half the world with your phones, microchips, cars and sea vessels Yes and most importantly, to instill in everyone the Korean or Japanese mentality.
            3. +1
              31 July 2025 01: 20
              Quote: Civil
              Maybe it's worth looking at the experience of Japan? Which has long been in a demographic hole, but categorically refused to import migrants en masse, deciding that they can do just fine without them.

              and what kind of experience do they have, second place from the bottom in birth rate compared to Korea? And their new government is now asking the question point-blank - either migrants, or there will be no Japan. But the Japanese are creating mass hysteria because of a few thousand Kurds, how can they bring in a million Filipinos?
              1. -2
                31 July 2025 15: 22
                Quote from alexoff
                either migrants, or there will be no Japan.

                Japan has very little land. What's the point of increasing the birth rate? There are now about as many Japanese as Russians, and more than half the population lives on the narrow eastern coast, an area equal to a couple of Russian regions.
                1. +1
                  31 July 2025 15: 31
                  In Japan, villages are practically extinct. Hokkaido is sparsely populated. The problem is not the population per square kilometer, it is not the Middle Ages now. Someone has to feed the old population, pay taxes, be ill a little at the state expense, and so on.
                  1. -2
                    31 July 2025 15: 40
                    Quote from alexoff
                    In Japan, villages are virtually extinct. Hokkaido is sparsely populated.

                    A Japanese village in modern conditions is a burden for the state. In Afghanistan, the king did not even try to collect taxes, for example, in Chamkani and other areas populated by Pashtuns on the outskirts of the country. But these areas were inaccessible to control, either by Soviet or American occupiers. And everything is fine with the demographics there. A man in Russia who had only one child by the age of 40, in Chamkani over the next 15 years became the father of 7 children.
        3. 0
          7 August 2025 16: 48
          So, humanity is becoming poorer?
          Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
      2. +2
        1 August 2025 06: 54
        Women everywhere are now "poisoned" by TikToks, TV series about the beautiful life and other infogypsies. Each one tries on a princess "dress", forgetting that they are just ordinary women from the gray mass. And indeed, all their dreams are a sponsor for "fulfilling" their dreams of life from the TV series. Any party is photos in a new dress or at the daddy's car for the status in some messenger.
    3. +9
      30 July 2025 08: 33
      Instead of giving the opportunity to grow wheat and bake bread, it is easier to throw a bag of crackers to the people, the crackers will sell out, but the problems will not go away. There is movement, but no progress.....
      That's right, the liberal approach of the ruling class to solving any problems in the country.
    4. + 21
      30 July 2025 09: 08
      The system is to blame for everything. We have a lot of imports, we have completely forgotten how to produce our own. People outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg do not have normal jobs, with a few exceptions. Housing is exorbitantly expensive. People do not have money for children, there are no conditions. In the USSR, there was work for everyone, free cooperative housing was not so expensive. Everyone had a job, everyone understood their need. Now university graduates often work at McDonald's. There was a tax on single and childless people. Everyone started families. Now there are only divorces and millions of lonely people. All this is covered by imitation - maternity capital, which you can't buy anything for, and meager child benefits. In the current system, it will not be possible to increase the birth rate.
      1. -3
        30 July 2025 09: 12
        McDonald's is no longer relevant, they are becoming couriers! Well, about work... well, not everyone in Moscow or St. Petersburg is living in clover, and in the regions there is work and decent salaries... The USSR, free housing for everyone? Oh well, my father has been in boots for 33 years, and he only got his own corner after retirement, and not for free, Not everyone started a family and then got divorced, now many live for years and have children without registering at the registry office... no need to write about EVERYONE, about EVERYONE... generalizations are inappropriate.
        1. +9
          30 July 2025 10: 17
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Not everyone created families and then got divorced, now many live for years and have children without registering at the registry office... there is no need to write about EVERYONE, about EVERYONE... generalizations are inappropriate.

          So you want to say that society in the USSR, in principle, lived the same way as it does now and there is no particular difference between the USSR and the Russian Federation in this regard?
          1. -2
            30 July 2025 10: 20
            No, society then and now lived differently, but to say that there were no divorces during the USSR is, to put it mildly, untrue, there were more factors that prevented divorce, yes, were there so-called civil marriages? There were, only these two people were called cohabitants and were condemned by society to some extent, especially by grandmothers on benches... Time goes by and we change along with it, especially when the system changed.
          2. +1
            30 July 2025 10: 40
            It depends on what is meant by the word “different”.
            Nowadays there are many more leisure opportunities and more information, which naturally has influenced people.
            But has it changed so much - that's the question. Desires have remained the same, lifestyle is basically the same (home, work, everyday life, family, leisure).
          3. +1
            31 July 2025 15: 12
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            So you want to say that society in the USSR, in principle, lived the same way as it does now and there is no particular difference between the USSR and the Russian Federation in this regard?

            The birth rate decline in Russian regions began back in the late 60s, that very first demographic transition, superimposed on the unborn children of the generation of the 20s, laid out in an even layer by the red commanders. And the collective farm life of the post-war Russian village did not contribute to having many children either. The Soviet bigwigs with a firm hand did not allow the Russian village to accumulate fat and economic freedoms, as their lisping and hook-nosed teachers bequeathed to them. Why the village, it is easier and cheaper to raise a child there than in a small family in the city.
            Finally, in the mid-70s, it dawned on the bigwigs that the taxable and draft population of the RSFSR was rapidly declining, and the red committees were especially concerned, as their usual tactic of banging their foreheads against the fortifications with thick chains suddenly did not have the required number of soldiers, and the Central Asian conscripts did not inspire admiration for their quality.
            We started as usual, with agitation and propaganda give birth, smerds "I don't have a little brother, I don't have a little sister..." but the people were already ignoring the guiding and directing word of the boss
            They decided to resettle the mountainous Badakhshan in the deserted territories of the Tver region and see how it goes, but then the USSR died and the mass resettlement of Central Asians throughout Russia had to be postponed for 30 years...
          4. 0
            31 July 2025 15: 31
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            So you want to say that society in the USSR - in principle, lived the same way as now

            In modern Russia, people live very differently. I talked to an ethnic Russian. Now she does not work, she converted to Islam with all its fundamental attributes, niqab, and in the absence of her husband, she sits locked up at home. There are companies where subordinates do not see their superiors for years and work remotely. There are companies where there is triple control over the performer. Where the worker is searched twice a day, fined for the slightest reason, which was unthinkable in the USSR. There are people who manage not to work for 10 years, but these are usually women, and they often go to resorts abroad 4 times a year. Over time, everything will come to one common denominator. But for now, I have a feeling that Islamic fundamentalists are coming to Russia, and scientists and successful engineers are leaving Russia.
            1. -1
              4 August 2025 00: 10
              Quote: gsev
              There are companies where subordinates do not see their superiors for years and work entirely remotely. There are companies where triple control over the performer. There are people who are clever...

              Quote: 212-85-07
              ...there are people who gnaw cobalt alloy,
              There are people who have twenty chickens,
              There are people who are kind of alive and people who are kind of dead,
              But there is no one who knows your number

              Inspired by. I have the impression that you have mental problems. Purely IMHO.
              1. -2
                5 August 2025 10: 39
                Quote: Paranoid62
                I have the impression that you have mental problems. Purely IMHO.

                I have seen my boss 6 times in 3 years. It is common for a person to live in Mexico and a company to be officially registered in Russia. Around 2004, I talked to a person who was developing coatings for missile portholes for the US and who lived in Moscow. Take any large state-owned company. The salaries of accounting and control departments there are about the same as the salaries of designers, engineers and workers. This may seem mentally unthinkable to you, but it is true. And everyone knows this. In the age of the Internet, it is impossible to hide information unless you are in the field of view of microphones and video cameras of a phone, computer and sometimes even an expensive TV.
        2. 0
          3 August 2025 23: 54
          People don't work as couriers anymore; their salaries have been cut.
      2. +5
        30 July 2025 10: 03
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        In the current system, it will not be possible to increase the birth rate.

        If the powers that be need it, it will work. Is it necessary? Even minor programs have yielded good results. Thanks to the same maternity capital (at the beginning of the program), a second child was born in a large number of families. This, of course, will not solve the demographic problem, but such programs have a positive effect, pushing the democratic gap into the future. If we now make maternity capital 1,5 million rubles for the first, 3 million for the second and 5 million for the third and subsequent (with the condition that they can only be spent on purchasing housing), then a decent number of large families will immediately appear...
        The question is different. Why does a capitalist need people now? It doesn't take many to service a pipeline, and automation makes tens of thousands of people unnecessary in the industry every year. Where thousands used to work, now tens are enough...
        1. +5
          30 July 2025 13: 27
          The problem cannot be solved with maternity capital. It is a one-time payment and can only be spent on very specific purposes. And what is the family supposed to live on? Benefits do not cover needs, and only one person in the family works. Yes, you can buy an apartment, a house, but you have to pay for utilities, feed the child, give him shoes, and clothe him. And the prices for children's things are not childish at all.
          1. +3
            30 July 2025 15: 53
            Quote: Ady66
            Maternity capital cannot solve the problem.

            I wrote it above
            Quote: Doccor18
            This, of course, will not solve the demographic problem, but such programs have a positive effect, pushing back the demographic gap.


            Quote: Ady66
            Yes, you can buy an apartment, a house, but

            A huge number of families are forced to pay a mortgage, and these are quite decent amounts, several times higher than utility bills. Having your own home, the other problems no longer seem so insurmountable, I know from friends and from myself. Real estate is a family cornerstone. Without your own corner or "with a cosmic mortgage in your arms", thoughts about having children visit much less often, if at all...
            Quote: Ady66
            The child needs to be fed, shod, and clothed. And the prices for children's things are not at all childish.

            Well, who would argue, of course you are right.
          2. 0
            31 July 2025 01: 25
            Quote: Ady66
            Yes, you can buy an apartment, a house

            If you already have a house or apartment, then you will spend significantly less than you earn. If you don't live in luxury, then you can live on 20-30 thousand, if you have a place to live. But if you have a mortgage, which you have to pay 80 thousand every month, then children don't appear. And those living in a rented apartment reproduce even worse.
            1. 0
              31 July 2025 09: 43
              It's not clear why you were given minuses request For me, that's how it is...
    5. +4
      30 July 2025 10: 21
      Well, I’m no longer a young specialist, I’m already 36, but I haven’t started a family and there are many reasons.

      as my child says - the girls who date him only want money, everything else is secondary: children, family, moreover, many don't want children at all...
      and he said to me out loud - I change my car every three years, my wife, should I also change her every three years if they don’t need children?
      I couldn't find a way to answer...
      1. -2
        31 July 2025 15: 35
        Quote: Dedok
        as my child says - the girls who date him only want money,

        So since 1991 the state has been teaching girls on television to be kept women by rich old men and not to hang out with poor, loser engineers.
    6. +7
      30 July 2025 10: 28
      Quote from turembo
      now I meet girls, and many of them are not interested in either a family or a banal acquaintance, in their heads they only want to travel and have fun,

      guys have the same situation. The information background in which we live is imbued with the spirit of consumerism, Advertising is everywhere, from an early age lays the desire in a young individual to possess symbols of dominance - a cool car, an iPhone, an apartment in a prestigious area, independence from society, the ability to change familiar things ... As is known, there are three basic instincts - sexual, food and dominance. All "intelligence", all human social habits are just ways of their implementation. A child unconsciously looks at advertising as a beautiful fairy tale with a happy ending at the end of which everyone gets what they wanted, this is what lays the consumer mindset ... Therefore, to solve the demographic problem, it is necessary to ban advertising in the form in which it is currently present. Exclusively technical and consumer comparative characteristics.
      1. +2
        30 July 2025 13: 33
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Therefore, to solve the demographic problem, it is necessary to ban advertising in the form in which it currently exists.

        It's not just about advertising, look at what's on TV in soap operas, listen to "Women's Stand-Up" on TNT... This is only one side, tattoos, vaping, diluted tobacco made from paper dust with aromatic additives... What kind of children will there be, millions are collected on all TV channels for operations and treatment of sick children. Does our bourgeois government even care about this? Well, and advertising... Who remembers the plot from the old French comedy - "I can't resist, I'll eat the dog's stew!" Then, it seemed like a made-up joke, but our reality has already surpassed even that. Capitalism, however.
        1. 0
          31 July 2025 06: 51
          Quote: Per se.
          Well, and advertising...

          modern advertising advertises not products but a way of life, considering its volume I think that it is to blame for everything
          1. +1
            31 July 2025 07: 18
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Considering its size, I think it's all her fault

            Not without it, however, advertising is a consequence, not a cause. Capitalism, the formed transnational monopolies, dictate "fashion", impose goods and services. With the cult of money and consumer morality, we have what we have, including advertising.
            1. 0
              31 July 2025 08: 00
              it's not about Capitalism, read my comment below
              1. +1
                31 July 2025 09: 39
                It is hard to argue that capitalism is closer to instincts, but society still presupposes morality that is different from the animal world. What kind of society, what kind of society, such is morality. Also, rationality and efficiency are not a monopoly of capitalism, and there is no class or national multiplication table. In any case, thank you for your attention and for your opinion. I only voiced my ideas and understandings, which cannot be the ultimate truth.
                1. 0
                  31 July 2025 12: 44
                  Quote: Per se.
                  It's hard to argue,

                  No need to argue - get rich! smile
                  Quote: Per se.
                  capitalism is closer to instincts, but society still assumes morality, different from the animal world

                  A herd, a flock, an anthill - these are types of social organization of animals that make it easier for them to survive, and humans have the same, only much more complicated. Socialism, which we have gone through, is simply such an organization of society when the social significance of actions prevails over the personal. If we had not organized ourselves socially 107 years ago, there would be no Russia.
      2. +1
        31 July 2025 15: 31
        Quote: aybolyt678
        As is known, there are three basic instincts - sexual, food and dominance.

        The lower classes will send the caller far away to the proposal to tighten their belts and urgently produce a new generation of the draft class to replace them. So we must admit that a child is an investment and future income, if we want smart and hard-working people to give birth, LOWER taxes from the birth of the first child and remove them after the birth of the second. And not your fig leaf of 13% personal income tax, but the one that the employer pays. And then you will see a race of employers for women on maternity leave/family workers.
    7. bar
      +5
      30 July 2025 15: 35
      Quote from turembo
      The authorities simply do not understand the level of problems of the population, they are not interested in it, and therefore they are not able to solve anything.

      I'll get a ton of downvotes, but I don't care.
      All this snot is a manifestation of infantilism. In childhood, parents took care of us, in adulthood, the state should take care of us. My children were born in the early 90s, they had their fill of everything. With work, and with a salary, and housing, and even stupidly with food sometimes. And there was no state at all, not to mention understanding and especially solving my problems when my wife was on maternity leave, and I was the only one working. But I don’t regret it at all. We survived, the children grew up, got an education, had grandchildren. If I had to go through all this again, I would do exactly the same. Children are the most important thing in our lives, the continuation of our family, this is the meaning of life for all living things. Otherwise, it’s not life, but a dead end, a blank shot. With your egoism, you are simply throwing away all your ancestors who lived before you and for you.
      1. +5
        30 July 2025 16: 26
        Quote: bar
        we had our fill of it all

        Quote: bar
        and I plowed alone

        But I don’t want my children to have their fill and work like galley slaves.

        Quote: bar
        Children are the most important thing in our life, the continuation of our family, this is the meaning of life for all living things.

        That's right, and we are no longer in the Stone Age, where an unsuccessful bison hunt could mean death by starvation. Humanity has already invented and achieved so much that it is simply criminal to live with thoughts that are centuries old. The entire population of the planet could already eat and dress perfectly well, there is everything for this. The same with education and health care. And invest all your strength and aspirations in development: self-development, development of the state, and not toil for the opportunity to eat or drink to the full for the desire to study and be treated.
        1. -1
          30 July 2025 19: 16
          As one writer said - "Only after getting married does a man understand what happiness is! But it's too late!"
          1. +3
            31 July 2025 10: 36
            Quote: Vicontas
            As one writer said - "Only after getting married does a man understand what happiness is! But it's too late!"

            However, family men live longer - this is a scientific fact. smile
        2. +1
          31 July 2025 07: 41
          Quote: FIR FIR
          And invest all your strength and aspirations into development: self-development, development of the state, and not toil

          I like your comment, but it has its weak points, the thing is that humans actually live by the same instincts as the entire animal world... they have the same needs. The desire to learn can only arise if there is motivation, and motivation only if any of the following instincts is unsatisfied: sexual, food or dominance. Sexual is easily satisfied with the help of the Internet, Food - food is inexpensive now, and dominance is satisfied by the presence of an iPhone or other advertised symbols of dominance. Knowledge is not included in the image of a dominant male or female formed by the information background, their absence is compensated for by the alleged availability of information
          1. +1
            31 July 2025 10: 48
            Quote: aybolyt678
            and motivation only if any of the following instincts is not satisfied: sexual, food or dominance

            Well, yes, a brilliant artist in his studio paints a picture for months out of dissatisfaction with his instincts wassat , for the same reason the surgeon stands at the operating table for 9 hours, apparently due to a hypertrophied sense of dominance fellow
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Food - food is cheap now

            High quality, expensive.
            Quote: aybolyt678
            dominance is satisfied by the presence of an iPhone or other advertised symbols of dominance

            From whom? I studied for many years, clearly not because of a craving for an iPhone or a convertible.
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Knowledge is not included in the image of a dominant male or female formed by the information background

            This is probably why there is a huge competition to get into medical schools, the passing score is getting higher, and the price tag is approaching 10 million. No.
            Quote: aybolyt678
            their absence is compensated by the alleged availability of information

            It is compensated, but cannot be replaced.
            1. -1
              31 July 2025 12: 09
              Quote: FIR FIR
              Well, yes, a brilliant artist paints a picture in his studio for months out of dissatisfaction with his instincts, for the same reason a surgeon stands at the operating table for 9 hours, apparently because of a hypertrophied sense of dominance
              - Exactly so!!
              Man is a social animal, and experts call the instinct of dominance "run away - catch up", if a person has occupied some niche in society, then it is natural for him to stick to it and fight with competitors.
              Quote: FIR FIR
              From whom? I studied for many years, clearly not because of a craving for an iPhone or a convertible

              that's why you are in Military Oborzenie!!! drinks
              Quote: FIR FIR
              This is probably why there is a huge competition to get into medical schools, the passing score is getting higher, and the price tag is approaching 10 million.
              This is also because medicine is paid and allows you to earn money (it is a symbol of dominance).
              Quote: FIR FIR
              It is compensated, but cannot be replaced.

              Here I completely agree and solidarity with you. fellow
        3. -1
          31 July 2025 12: 48
          Quote: FIR FIR
          The entire population of the planet could already eat and dress normally and decently; we have everything we need for this.

          What's stopping him? Maybe it's the zoological nature of the psyche, or maybe there aren't enough bison?
      2. +1
        31 July 2025 08: 35
        Tell me, did you like this life? There were billions before us and there will be billions after us.
        1. -1
          31 July 2025 12: 19
          Quote: ALARI
          There were billions before us and there will be billions after us.

          The history of mankind is finite, we will not conquer distant space!
    8. 0
      1 August 2025 02: 04
      There is movement, but no progress...
      The modern youth's heads are washed with information from the garbage dump (the Internet). It was not for nothing that the classic wrote that "the people demand bread and circuses." Here are the results. The idea came that it will not be machines that will grow us, like in the Matrix. We will soon have to create human incubators ourselves ;) for reproduction. Who will take on the role of parents!?
      Ps: someone's very clever plan to reduce the planet's population actually works. What phones, what internet!
    9. 0
      1 August 2025 02: 05
      36... Damn, I was demobilized at 21, got married at 22, had a son at 23. Worked, studied, had nothing and didn't have any complexes, children weren't discussed, no one counted "how much it costs".
      By your standards, we started living "normally" by the age of 40, when we sent our children to study, we had already achieved everything ourselves. We never relied on anyone, sometimes we bought toys like "Sega" for our children and a TV for their room, for her, but we ourselves had nothing to eat (this is not figurative, this is real). This did not stop us, but forced us to look for opportunities.
      We achieved everything we wanted. Fun, happy, without excesses, but, whenever possible, I earned enough money to buy good clothes for my wife (she was always better than those around her) and for the children.
      Then we need to buy an apartment... for our son, a car for him when we got married, and we bought ourselves the last thing, 7 years ago.
      Priorities have changed. Let's admit it. We always thought that children were the most important thing and didn't think about the reasons, but looked for opportunities. Over time, everything worked out, everyone is provided for, we have everything, a cheerful pension, we can afford to do what we want, relax.
      And in youth they allowed what they could, the interests of children, their own growth and education were a priority, they refused in many things, but youth compensated for everything. Now there is prosperity, but no youth. Alas, such is life.
      Nowadays young people want everything at once, you can't blame them for that, but I won't support them either. In order to have everything, you first have to work for yourself and your children. And so, in my purely personal opinion, it's right to live.
      Yes, you want everything when you're young. laughing But this only happens to those whose parents provide for them; for everyone else, youth is about laying the foundation for the future, yours and your children’s, and is compensated by youth itself, the opportunity to be happy without having anything. feel
    10. 0
      3 August 2025 07: 29
      turembo:
      Well, I'm not a young specialist anymore, I'm already 36, but I haven't started a family and there are many reasons. They are mainly economic, I simply can't afford it, neither buy a house, nor support it normally, and I'm afraid of losing my job, and I have no confidence in the future.
      What can you say - the author is a weakling, and the upvoters too. As is well known, a bad dancer... You say there is no confidence in the future - and who has it - only people who rely only on themselves, maybe their relatives. And most importantly - why shamelessly tell about this in all its nakedness out loud to the participants of VO.

      Pull yourself together, Mike - this is not a dress rehearsal but your life, and this life is “…every moment between the past and the future…”, a battle to be better.
    11. 0
      3 August 2025 15: 57
      I'm 37, I have the opportunity to buy a home and provide for my family. But I have no desire.
      "Fear of losing a job and uncertainty about tomorrow" is, in principle, a common situation for humanity throughout
      throughout history. I don't understand why everyone refers to it so much. For thousands of years, a peasant could only hope to reap a harvest after sowing it, but could never be sure.
  2. + 21
    30 July 2025 04: 33
    Russia will finally bid farewell to the Bologna Convention
    The Soviet system of higher education was not bad. Why did they introduce the Bologna system in our country?
    1. + 17
      30 July 2025 05: 22
      Why was the Bologna system introduced in our country?
      It was precisely in order to collapse our education system!!! The Unified State Exam was introduced in the same vein!!!
      1. +2
        30 July 2025 08: 59
        Quote from BlacTiger74
        The same key was used to introduce the Unified State Exam!!!

        The Unified State Exam was introduced correctly. It was a blow to corruption and parochial education, when smart children could not afford to even come to enroll in a good university for financial reasons. The Unified State Exam made it possible for anyone to enroll in any university in the country, although it deprived professors of a serious income in the form of bribes for enrollment. Although now they have played it all back. The changes made 4 years ago practically allowed the university management to indirectly participate in the recruitment of students again, and now there is a field for bribes.
        1. +8
          30 July 2025 10: 10
          Quote: qqqq
          The Unified State Exam was introduced correctly. It is a blow to corruption and parochial education,

          And one could agree with you entirely, if not for one thing - the fundamental difference in the level of education of children in different regions and localities. Somewhere there are elite gymnasiums, and somewhere even in ordinary schools there are not enough teachers of basic subjects...
          1. +3
            30 July 2025 10: 29
            Quote: Doccor18
            In some places there are elite gymnasiums, but in other places even ordinary schools lack teachers of basic subjects...

            You can't argue with that. But now there is the Internet and if you want, you can study independently, as well as hire tutors (different price categories are available) - personal experience of my children's admission. If only the child had the desire and determination. I know an example when in the last year there was a radical change in direction and a guy prepared independently and passed chemistry with 100 points five years ago. And personal experience of learning, though in the USSR, villagers are much better at learning, it is harder for them in the first year, the level of preparation affects, but then they catch up and overtake, because they are not spoiled and are used to work.
            1. +8
              30 July 2025 10: 49
              Quote: qqqq
              But now there is the Internet and if you want, you can study on your own.

              It is possible, but it is difficult, inconvenient, much longer than with a teacher, the plus should be: extreme motivation and excellent initial data of the child. Not everyone is able to understand a new topic independently, and someone needs to be explained two or three times to understand. But this does not mean at all that the child is unpromising and has no place in the university. We know many examples when mediocre students at school grew up to be very smart.
              Quote: qqqq
              how to hire tutors

              They are not cheap. They are not available everywhere. The Internet cannot replace a live teacher, it can only complement/improve...
              Quote: qqqq
              I know an example when in the last year there was a radical change in direction and the guy prepared himself and passed chemistry with 100 points.

              This is more an exception to the rule than a rule. But if we are talking about raising the level of education on a national scale, about developing science and industry, if we are talking about technological sovereignty, then we should not be concerned with exceptions (they will pave the way and shine with their genius), but with the mass student. But it is not easy for the masses...
              Quote: qqqq
              villagers are much better at learning, it's harder for them

              They are now completely losing to a city school student from a lyceum/gymnasium. They, in most cases, have practically no chance to compete even with a standard city student from a regional center. What equal opportunities are we talking about?
              1. -1
                30 July 2025 13: 26
                Quote: Doccor18
                But this does not mean at all that the child has no prospects and there is no place for him in the university.

                There is not a place for everyone at the university. Only the best ones have a place there, the rest get a secondary specialized education and go to production. They have bred talentless people from higher education, few work in their specialty.
                Quote: Doccor18
                They are now completely losing to a city school student from a lyceum/gymnasium.

                At the initial stage, of course, but after a year they catch up and then overtake, because they are motivated and most importantly not lazy and know how to work hard. During my studies, all this was observed. All this is averaged, because exceptions are everywhere.
                1. +1
                  30 July 2025 15: 37
                  Quote: qqqq
                  There is not a place for everyone at the university. Only the best ones have a way there, the rest

                  I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yeryoma ...
                  As an example, how do you know who is the best in some provincial town (where, due to a shortage of teaching staff, a biology teacher becomes a geographer, a chemist, and someone else, teaching forty lessons a week)? It is very doubtful that in such conditions he will be able to prepare 85-100 points in specialized subjects. And this means that all students there automatically become "unsuccessful". And vice versa, a student with average data from a metropolis with the titanic help of teachers and tutors (parental funds) will still dig up the coveted point and join the ranks
                  Quote: qqqq
                  untalented people with higher education, few work in their specialty.


                  Quote: qqqq
                  At the initial stage, of course, but after a year they become equal and then

                  There is no "first" and "then" without the coveted Unified State Exam score. We are moving towards the fact that only genius nuggets like Tretyakovsky and Lomonosov will "go with a fish convoy to Moscow"... But, as you understand, there have been and will be too few of them to seriously move forward the gigantic state mechanism.
                  1. +2
                    31 July 2025 09: 09
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    It is very doubtful that in such conditions he will be able to prepare 85-100 points in specialized subjects. And this means that all students there automatically become "unsuccessful". And vice versa, a student with average data from a metropolis with the titanic help of teachers and tutors (parental funds) will still dig up the coveted score and join the ranks

                    The Unified State Exam is not as simple as you think. I personally spent a lot of money on tutors for my children. It helped, but not dramatically. The amount I rated them at when checking their knowledge is approximately how much they got on the Unified State Exam. I personally saw how much they rated the underachievers, it didn't help. They didn't even pass the minimum. Although the tutors have been there for 3 years and are some of the best we have. The same teachers prepared smart children for 100 points. Everything depends on the child, on their desire and capabilities. And all these tutors only make the task easier or more difficult. And following your logic about the worse preparation of children from the periphery, they also have no chance at the exam compared to those who are better prepared. And they won't have the money to just come and apply. The Unified State Exam has just multiplied the opportunities for low-income people and those living in godforsaken corners to apply. If only there was a desire. But one titanic desire is not enough, with or without tutors. The brains need to match.
                    1. 0
                      31 July 2025 09: 37
                      Quote: qqqq
                      The Unified State Exam has actually increased the opportunities for admission for the poor and those living in godforsaken places.

                      You have misunderstood me. I have never written anywhere that "the single one is a whim, nonsense and it must be immediately destroyed", but there is no point in making it a "savior and great equalizer", because it is neither one nor the other, since everything else in the system has long been unequal. Moreover, as the degradation of the hinterland intensifies, inequality increases, and therefore the Unified State Exam becomes even more meaningless.
                      Quote: qqqq
                      It all depends on the child, his desires and capabilities.

                      Of course, if there is 0% motivation, then no one will be able to help - this is an axiom.
                      Quote: qqqq
                      But one titanic desire is not enough, with or without tutors. The brains need to match.

                      Yes, but not only. In addition to 100% motivation, there must also be at least some conditions. If they are not there, the result will be either modest or disastrous...
          2. +2
            30 July 2025 10: 42
            Now the main problem has been revealed.
            Is this the fault of the Unified State Exam, and not the education system itself?
            The Unified State Exam is a way of testing knowledge, not a system of education
            1. +2
              30 July 2025 10: 56
              Quote: Russian_Ninja
              Is this the fault of the Unified State Exam, and not the education system itself?

              The Unified State Exam is a part of the education system, it is the equivalent of final exams. How can one separate them? What is the point of "general accessibility and equality" if there is no opportunity for either of them for everyone. And I don't even want to talk about individual topics of the Unified State Exam, when "suddenly" even teachers cannot master some tasks. A coincidence? I don't think so. If this was invented, introduced and supported with maniacal persistence, then it is very profitable for someone.
              1. +2
                30 July 2025 11: 05
                Still, I don't agree with the first thesis. For me, the assessment system is only part of the education system, but not the basis.
                To evaluate knowledge, you first need to invest it, and that’s a problem.

                I completely agree with the complexity of some tasks and options. There should not be complication, but a comprehensive knowledge test
            2. +2
              30 July 2025 15: 32
              Quote: Russian_Ninja
              Now the main problem has been revealed.
              Is this the fault of the Unified State Exam, and not the education system itself?
              The Unified State Exam is a way of testing knowledge, not a system of education

              You are absolutely right. The Unified State Exam gave the opportunity to enroll. And then no one cancels the right of universities to expel those who fail, but for some reason, strangely enough, they somehow continue to study and receive diplomas. At the same time, the management of universities blames the Unified State Exam.
        2. +1
          30 July 2025 10: 28
          The Unified State Exam was introduced correctly. It is a blow to corruption and parochial education,

          Do you work in the education system? higher education?
          to draw any conclusions...
          1. +1
            30 July 2025 10: 32
            Quote: Dedok
            you work in the education system

            My children were admitted, as were children of friends and acquaintances. And where there was an additional exam from the university, I had to hire a kind of tutor professor with the corresponding payment (a veiled bribe), and without this there was no way.
            1. +1
              30 July 2025 10: 35
              And where there was an additional exam from the university, it was necessary to hire a sort of tutor professor with the appropriate payment (a veiled bribe)

              and my child entered a capital university without bribes...
              although I worked in the Admissions Committee of our University...
              1. +6
                30 July 2025 10: 47
                Quote: Dedok
                and my child entered a capital university without bribes...

                I don't argue that it was possible to get in, especially in the USSR. But over time, it became almost impossible to get into prestigious universities without "tutoring", plus poverty and the impossibility for a talented child from a poor family to even come to the exams. If we follow the logic of the old admission system, then I don't understand the howl of universities, because the best ones go to them now.
                1. +1
                  30 July 2025 10: 51
                  I don't understand the howl of universities, because the best ones are going to them now.

                  You didn't answer my first question - do you work in the education system?
                  and now to the topic of "the best":
                  The score thresholds at universities are decreasing every year, why?
                  The Unified State Exam tasks are simplified every year, why?
                  Well, after this, one can make a simple conclusion
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2025 13: 32
                    I don't work. Once again, many people applied, but only the Unified State Exam gave a vision of possibilities and independence from the commission's wishes. The thresholds have been lowered in the last 4 years, because the essence of admission according to the Unified State Exam has been slightly changed, the amendments are not significant at first glance, but they provide an opportunity for manipulation and they are used to drag through those who need to with low scores. We just got stuck in this system with the second one.
                    The tasks are not simplified, I can judge by chemistry and biology, again mine were received with a large interval. Everything only became more complicated.
              2. +1
                30 July 2025 13: 19
                Quote: Dedok
                And where there was an additional exam from the university, it was necessary to hire a sort of tutor professor with the appropriate payment (a veiled bribe)

                and my child entered a capital university without bribes...
                although I worked in the Admissions Committee of our University...

                It would be strange if I didn't do it.
                "- and the marshal has his own grandchildren!" (c)
        3. +5
          30 July 2025 10: 30
          ЕThe State Examination made it possible to enter anyone to any university in the country,

          m-yeah...
          did not make it possible, but declared it..
          do you feel the difference?
          notice, I don't use the word - you see...
          1. -2
            30 July 2025 10: 35
            Quote: Dedok
            did not make it possible, but declared...

            It is possible. Pass the exams with the corresponding scores and you will be happy. Not everyone is capable of studying at a university. Higher education is not for many. Otherwise, they have bred economists and lawyers with zero knowledge. Based on the example of my children, as I assessed them, they received approximately these scores.
            1. +2
              30 July 2025 10: 53
              Precisely possible.

              Have you read the Bologna Convention?
              Do you know how much it costs to support a student "in the best universities"?
              and after that you persist in talking about "opportunities"?
              1. 0
                30 July 2025 12: 02
                Quote: Dedok
                Do you know how much it costs to support a student "in the best universities"?

                if a student (not all at the same time): studies well/excellently, participates in university life, is an athlete - receives benefits, a scholarship and accommodation, in the end it turns out cheaper than ours... I'm not talking about "Harvards" of course... and if this/that then - more expensive, but not by an order of magnitude...
                1. +2
                  30 July 2025 12: 09
                  if a student (not all at the same time): studies well/excellently, participates in university life, is an athlete receives benefits, scholarship and accommodation, in the end it turns out cheaper than ours

                  A friend has a second family in his old age, his daughter entered MIPT - they didn't give her a dorm, although she is almost a "star", he was looking for a place to rent not far from school, and then decided to buy it...
                  although his eldest son was given a dorm room in the medical school...
                  and what are benefits? - they are only by law...
                  and the cost of living in a hostel can vary by an order of magnitude...
                  1. +2
                    30 July 2025 12: 46
                    Quote: Dedok
                    A friend has a second family in his old age, his daughter entered MIPT - they didn't give her a dorm, although she is almost a "star", he was looking for a place to rent not far from school, and then decided to buy it...
                    although his eldest son was given a dorm room in the medical school...
                    and what are benefits? - they are only by law...
                    and the cost of living in a hostel can vary by an order of magnitude...

                    I meant, for example, the Czech Republic.. And about ours - I know everything myself - next year - my son is entering... so I asked about the question.. it turned out not more expensive, and sometimes, in some places, even noticeably cheaper - "overseas"... benefits - discount on tuition (up to 100%), dorm, etc. hi
                    1. 0
                      30 July 2025 14: 25
                      I meant, for example, the Czech Republic.

                      Well, this is not about us...
                      and what it was like 15-20 years ago in Germany - I know, I was there... there it was also - for those who want and know how to learn...
            2. +1
              30 July 2025 13: 28
              Quote: qqqq
              Pass the exam with the appropriate scores and you will be happy.

              good
              Quote: qqqq
              Higher education is not for many

              And that's true. They can pay 6,5-9 million rubles for a child for a future doctor - go ahead!
              They can't, well that means it's not their destiny wassat Excellent propaganda!
              Quote: qqqq
              Otherwise, they have produced economists and lawyers with zero knowledge.

              Yeah, and how many teachers and doctors, engineers and programmers have been bred, there’s nowhere to put them.
              1. -2
                30 July 2025 13: 37
                Don't distort. In order to study to become a doctor for 8 years, the level of the student must be much higher than average, the volumes are huge. Regarding engineers and programmers, the same thing, the specifics are different, but the requirements for knowledge are no less. For these categories, you need to pay normally, then people will go. Not everyone who wants to have a higher education can, this is the lot of the smartest and most diligent. And paid education is evil, just like paid medicine. Money kills everything wherever it goes.
                1. +3
                  30 July 2025 14: 38
                  Quote: qqqq
                  To study to become a doctor for 8 years, the student's level must be much higher than average.

                  Who would doubt it. But what does "fate" and "level" have to do with it, when millions for education loom on the horizon?
                  Quote: qqqq
                  Not everyone who wants to have a higher education can do it; it is the destiny of the smartest and most persistent.

                  Can't? Won't be able to? Or won't be allowed? Don't you think these are different things?
                  Percentage of population with higher education: Burkina Faso - 1%, Afghanistan - 1,5%, Bangladesh - 4%, Brazil and Italy - 20% each, England, Israel, USA, Sweden - 40% each, Japan - 60%, Republic of Korea - 70%, China and India have about 20%, but given their gigantic population........ Looking at these figures, comments are unnecessary.
                  1. -3
                    30 July 2025 14: 48
                    Quote: FIR FIR
                    Percentage of population with higher education:

                    You are measuring with the Bolne system ruler. There, a Bachelor's degree is already a higher education, but in the old USSR, it was only a secondary special education for a technical school. It was given after the 3rd or 4th year of university. But what is now called a specialist and/or engineer is a classic higher education, and if you look at statistics for it, the numbers in developed countries will be several times, or even an order of magnitude, smaller.
                    1. +5
                      30 July 2025 14: 57
                      Quote: qqqq
                      You measure with the Bolne ruler

                      Yes, measure with any ruler, but looking at these figures, you can understand without asking unnecessary questions why the world is dominated by tech giants from some countries and there is nothing outstanding in others. Well, in principle, there could not have been a scientific and technological breakthrough in the Russian Empire a century ago, where a small rich elite had a higher education, and two-thirds could not even read. And then it could not have happened, and today it is generally absurd. Only a well-educated person can be useful to the national economy and society.
                      1. -2
                        30 July 2025 15: 03
                        Quote: FIR FIR
                        Well, in principle, there could not have been a scientific and technological breakthrough in the Russian Empire a century ago, where the university was owned by a small wealthy elite, and two-thirds of them could not even read.

                        This is exactly why the Unified State Exam is needed, to give everyone the opportunity to study. And without it, only the well-off will be able to receive higher education. Once again, higher education is really not for many, but a bachelor's degree, i.e. a technical school, should be widespread.
                      2. -2
                        30 July 2025 15: 10
                        Quote: FIR FIR
                        Yes, measure with any ruler.

                        You are wrong. The ruler matters. A bachelor's degree is not a classic higher education. Remove them from the statistics, then we'll see.
                      3. +2
                        31 July 2025 01: 33
                        Quote: FIR FIR
                        Well, in principle there could not have been a scientific and technological breakthrough in the Russian Empire a century ago.

                        yes, 70% of people in our country now receive higher education, more than in the US, but what's the point? Education is just potential, you can train as many highly qualified engineers as you like, but under the leadership of Chubais and other Chemezovs, they can only get neurosis and gray hair at 30
        4. +1
          30 July 2025 10: 33
          true, depriving him of thisserious income for professors in the form of bribes for admission.

          Do you have any idea how the University Admissions Committee system works?
          and the words "professorship" and "Admissions Committee" in the system of organizing the work of the University - where do they intersect?
          where do you come from?
          1. 0
            30 July 2025 10: 38
            Quote: Dedok
            Do you have any idea how the University Admissions Committee system works?

            I'm afraid you have no idea. With the Unified State Exam, the commission has a purely technical function, but when taking exams at a university, there is an opportunity for "maneuvering".
        5. +3
          30 July 2025 11: 17
          The Unified State Exam was introduced correctly.
          Just answer this question: were there many suicides in Soviet times who failed their exams???
          1. -3
            30 July 2025 13: 12
            Quote from BlacTiger74
            The Unified State Exam was introduced correctly.
            Just answer this question: were there many suicides in Soviet times who failed their exams???

            1987 - my classmate, a medalist, did not enter the institute. Nervous breakdown to the point of mental hospitalization.
          2. 0
            30 July 2025 13: 43
            Quote from BlacTiger74
            Just answer this question: were there many suicides in Soviet times who failed their exams???

            The stress level during the Unified State Exam is greatly exaggerated. If a child cannot pass an exam at school (the Unified State Exam is essentially the same exam), then what should he do at a university with the sessions there? You need to prepare your children, and not let everything slide. There is too much care now. You won’t be able to blow dust off them all their lives anyway. If a child is not stress-resistant, then it will be calmer to work at the machine.
    2. +7
      30 July 2025 06: 43
      As everywhere, a single standard is needed to pump out brains.
      1. +4
        30 July 2025 06: 49
        Are you talking about "pumping out" to the "civilized" West???
        1. 0
          30 July 2025 18: 03
          When training is carried out according to a single standard, etc., single master's programs, it is easier to pull brains out of the countries of the 3rd World. A single standard of training and classification simplifies the migration of workers and students to different countries in the World of Globalism. We learned this at the University.
          1. 0
            30 July 2025 18: 39
            Quote: Totor5
            When education is carried out according to a single standard, etc., and there are single master's programs, it is easier to suck the brains out of 3rd World countries.

            when after the collapse of the USSR they needed brains, the fact that everyone had a USSR specialist diploma did not prevent them from "pumping" them out, and when they became bachelors, it did not mean at all that they would immediately be hired to work in their specialty... always first and foremost - it's about knowledge and skills, and not about the name of the piece of paper...
            1. 0
              30 July 2025 23: 16
              That's what I'm talking about. And when diplomas are standardized, workers can move around like in the European Union. For the same reason, we had a lot standardized with the EU.
      2. -1
        30 July 2025 13: 49
        Quote: Totor5
        As everywhere, a single standard is needed to pump out brains.

        Stupidity. A single standard is needed to eliminate manipulation, no matter where. There is a standard, comply with it and there will be no questions for you.
    3. -12
      30 July 2025 07: 48
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      The Soviet system of higher education was not bad.

      Soviet school education remains the standard. Why did they charge banks from TV sets in the late USSR and the 90s? Before the introduction of the Unified State Exam, there was a separate subject in schools called "magic theory and practice" where they taught how to cast spells correctly.
      1. + 13
        30 July 2025 08: 05
        Aristarkh, how much more can you talk nonsense about how in the USSR they put cans in front of the TV? That in the USSR they only produced galoshes? Maybe you personally put cans, but there is no need to transfer this to everyone! I will answer you with a classic: You hang blacks!
        1. +3
          30 July 2025 08: 44
          Well, the nonsense of a different kind about the “Unified State Exam - guessing game” for some reason lives on and is actively promoted
          1. +1
            30 July 2025 09: 22
            Ninja, a question for you: who is propagandizing? How close are these propagandists to the people?
            1. +2
              30 July 2025 10: 30
              Well, okay, they are not propagated, but spread. And as it seems to me, by all layers of the population (not all people, of course), who have not encountered this evaluation system personally.
              It's just that I've very rarely seen articles with a detailed analysis of not only the Unified State Exam, but also the ticket-based assessment system (after all, there are significant drawbacks there too)
        2. -3
          30 July 2025 09: 03
          Quote: Bumblebee_3
          How much more can you talk nonsense about how in the USSR they put cans in front of the TV? That in the USSR they only produced galoshes?

          So, what did Putin actually say about galoshes in the USSR, full text from 08.05.2012:

          "... there was a one-sided economy and did it just form yesterday? It had been forming this way for 70 years. Everything we produced was of no use to anyone. Because no one bought our galoshes except for the Africans who had to walk on hot sand. That's the whole point.
          We had a defense industry, cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for what they created after the Great Patriotic War! And the first satellite, and the first man in space - we are all proud of this, this is our achievement, this is the achievement of the Soviet Union.
          But consumer goods, Zhirinovsky said about this, where were they? There was no level. Why lie? The people know what was and what was not..."
          "Wall" with crystal: a symbol of prosperity of the Soviet person "Wall" - a set of polished wood, the main sign of prosperity in the USSR. Czech, Romanian or GDR - the "foreigner", the more prestigious. Just not Soviet.
          Czech Tatra trams. Czech crystal. GDR "Helga" fittings
          1. +4
            30 July 2025 09: 29
            Aristarkh, did you ignore the good defense? Like the first cosmonaut? Why didn't you call the programs: Obvious-Incredible, What? Where? When? I Want to Know Everything? (It was for children) Well, you probably weren't interested in that.
          2. +1
            30 July 2025 10: 15
            And in these words of his is the entire general “ideology” of the enemies of the communists and the “enlightened” members of the CPSU - to slander the communists and to shift responsibility and blame onto them for what the enemies of the communists have done.
          3. +5
            30 July 2025 11: 40
            Everything we produced was of no use to anyone. Because no one bought our galoshes except the Africans who had to walk on hot sand. That's the whole point.

            So this is 1) a lie. 2) manipulation to create the impression that the level of economic activity of the USSR in the sphere of consumer goods is the production of galoshes.
            Let them at least achieve the same level of consumer goods export as the USSR had, so that they have the moral right to say so. For example, if Switzerland starts buying carpets, musical instruments, children's toys, clockwork (!!!) from Russia, as it did in the USSR, then such a right will appear. It still buys clockwork (it did, anyway), but this is precisely the same "galosh" legacy of the USSR.
            1. -3
              30 July 2025 13: 09
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              clockwork mechanisms (!!!)

              She bought at dumping prices and sold them under her own brands.
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              Let them achieve at least the same level of consumer goods exports as the USSR had,

              Within the country, one GOST was enough for timber, but for timber export there were two.
              The cost of the Niva was 4 (four!!) times lower than the cost of SUVs of that time - sheer dumping, if only they would take it for CURRENCY. Naturally they took it - for example in England for the rural police...
              And so it is practically everywhere - either dumping, or "Without compensation!!!! - that is, for nothing" (c) VP
              1. +2
                30 July 2025 13: 25
                Seryozhenka, don't write nonsense.
                Because if "they just take it for the currency", then you don't have to bother with selling high-tech products, just increase the export of raw materials, which will always be taken.
                This is the first, and the second... "blatant dumping" under capitalism is not considered by anyone... "blatant". Who is stopping us now from "dumping prices on our consumer goods when entering foreign markets?
                The supposed stupid answer "China" would be incorrect.
                1. -3
                  30 July 2025 13: 55
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  corny increase raw material exports,

                  Which is what the USSR did - happily overfulfilling the plan... The figures for the growth of raw material supplies to distant foreign countries are quite accessible.
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  This is the first, and the second... "blatant dumping" under capitalism is not considered by anyone... "blatant". Who is stopping us now from "dumping prices on our consumer goods when entering foreign markets?

                  Another system- if you haven't noticed. The USSR could afford to give it away for free or for 1/4 of the cost - because it was nobody's, absolutely nobody's. And now, what the hell are dumping prices - when there are owners?
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2025 14: 07
                    Which is what the USSR did.

                    Without stopping the export of consumer goods. So it's a no-no.
                    Another system - in case you haven't noticed.

                    So capitalist countries... don't dump? wassat
                    The USSR could afford to give this away for free or for 1/4 of the cost.

                    Unproven statement.
                    Prove that the cost of domestic production of goods intended for export to the above-mentioned Switzerland or Great Britain (in addition to cars, cameras, radios, etc.) was higher than the export selling price. In other words, that they were sold at a loss.
                    Only an idiot would compare export prices of different manufacturers and claim that if you sell cheaper than others, then you are selling at a loss.
                    P.S. The fact that Switzerland "took ... and sold under its own brands" does not make what it took "useless galoshes". By the way, when it continued to take from the Russian Federation, then it was apparently ... different and the prices stopped being dumping lol
                    1. -4
                      30 July 2025 14: 32
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      The fact that Switzerland "took ... and sold under its own brands" does not make what it took "useless galoshes"

                      Where did I say that "nobody needs galoshes" or did you confuse me with VVP?

                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Without stopping the export of consumer goods. So it's a no-no.

                      I repeat - at the same time increasing export of raw materials. And consumer goods went by themselves - the need for cheap or credit goods - no one has cancelled it for poor countries
                      1. 0
                        30 July 2025 15: 00
                        Where did I say that "nobody needs galoshes" or did you confuse me with VVP?

                        Well, you threw yourself at the embrasure, so that's what's expected of you.
                        I repeat - while simultaneously increasing the export of raw materials.

                        I repeat - it's a no-brainer. Why - it's written above. I'll just add - twice a no-brainer - the export of consumer goods also increased.
                        the need for cheap or credit goods has not been cancelled in poor countries

                        1) Okay, let Great Britain and Switzerland be poor countries.
                        2) Cheap and credit goods are needed by poor countries even now. What prevents us from selling cheap goods to poor countries, as the USSR sold cheap goods? The supposed stupid answer "China" will be incorrect.
                        Well, I would like to get answers to what was ignored:
                        1) So capitalist countries... don’t dump?
                        2) Prove that the cost of production within the country of goods intended for export to the above-mentioned Switzerland or Great Britain (in addition to cars, cameras, radios, etc.) was higher than the export selling price. In other words, that they were sold at a loss.
                        3) when she continued to buy from the Russian Federation, then... the prices apparently stopped being dumping?
                      2. -5
                        30 July 2025 15: 15
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I will just add - twice wrong - the export of consumer goods also increased.

                        Did this somehow reduce the export of raw materials? No.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Cheap and credit goods are needed by poor countries even now. What prevents us from selling cheap goods to poor countries, as the USSR sold them?
                        Who allowed tractor drivers to burn their tractors on Easter and doesn't allow them now? The answer is construction.
                        Anyone who tries to deliver tanks to Indonesia on credit and receive part of the payment in palm oil and not receive the rest at all will be immediately accused of wild corruption. But in the USSR this was normal. They delivered tanks to Afghanistan and forgot about them...
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        1) So capitalist countries... don’t dump?

                        They are probably dumping, but I don't remember any such cases. He is still young, apparently.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Prove that the cost of domestic production of goods intended for export to the above-mentioned Switzerland or Great Britain (in addition to cars, cameras, radios, etc.) was higher than the export selling price

                        Are you ready to pay me for a scientific work on establishing the cost price of goods in the USSR? An extremely murky topic, in connection with the murky nature of the USSR economy itself?

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        when she continued to take from the Russian Federation, then... the prices apparently stopped being dumping?
                        for us it is no longer the case - for them the price-quality ratio, given our meager wages and the lack of entry of our capitalists into the world market, is dumping.
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                      4. -3
                        30 July 2025 19: 25
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Somehow the lack of scientific work didn't stop you from talking nonsense about

                        "Nonsense" is my personal opinion, and you demand proof. Which my words or even quotes for you - will not be significant
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        There is no need to wiggle the ribs - the size of raw material exports does not affect the fact that the export of consumer goods from the USSR to the countries of "developed capitalism" exceeded that from the Russian Federation.

                        When discussing the excess of consumer goods exports over raw materials and vice versa in the USSR - suddenly there was an excess of exports of consumer goods over exports of consumer goods of the Russian Federation belay
                        For the dumb ones with a sirloin part - the export of consumer goods to the Russian Federation is lower than raw materials and lower than the export of consumer goods of the USSR. This is an indisputable fact and I did not dispute it. Put the owl back in place.

                        I spoke about the excess of income from the export of raw materials over the USSR's consumer goods - in connection with dumping, non-repayable loans, and so on.
                      5. -1
                        31 July 2025 09: 59
                        It's my personal opinion

                        And therefore it can't be nonsense?
                        and you demand proof.

                        Naturally.
                        When discussing the excess of consumer goods exports over raw materials and vice versa in the USSR, suddenly there was an excess of consumer goods exports over consumer goods exports in the Russian Federation

                        There was no discussion of the excess of consumer goods exports over raw materials exports. It was you who tried to make such a substitution.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Did this somehow reduce the export of raw materials? No.

                        There was a discussion of Putin's quote. Where the export of raw materials is not mentioned, but the discussion is about "the uselessness of our consumer goods, represented by galoshes, to anyone except Africans"
                        the export of consumer goods to the Russian Federation is lower than that of raw materials and lower than the export of consumer goods of the USSR. This is an indisputable fact and I didn't dispute that.

                        Then this conversation simply would not have taken place.
                      6. -1
                        31 July 2025 12: 11
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Then this conversation simply would not have taken place.

                        Have you tried reading your opponent? I'll repeat myself for you personally.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Within the country, one GOST was enough for timber, but for timber export there were two.
                        The cost of the Niva was 4 (four!!) times lower than the cost of SUVs of that time - sheer dumping, if only they would take it for CURRENCY. Naturally they took it - for example in England for the rural police...
                        And so it is practically everywhere - either dumping, or "Without compensation!!!! - that is, for nothing" (c) VP

                        Quote: your1970
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        simply increase the export of raw materials,

                        Which is what the USSR did - happily overfulfilling the plan... The figures for the growth of raw material supplies to distant foreign countries are quite accessible.

                        Quote: your1970
                        I repeat - simultaneously increasing the export of raw materials. And consumer goods went by themselves - the need for cheap or credit goods - no one has cancelled in poor countries

                        I argued that in the USSR the export of raw materials exceeded the export of consumer goods - due to the low cost of goods or supplies on gratuitous loans.
                        I have never claimed in this thread that the USSR’s export of consumer goods is lower than the Russian Federation’s export of consumer goods.
                        What brought you to some other wilderness - I don’t know.
                        And yes - me NOT discussed Putin's quote.
                      7. -1
                        31 July 2025 13: 45
                        This time, let's start from the end.
                        And yes - I did NOT discuss Putin's quote.

                        I was discussing Putin's quote. By starting to argue with me, quoting lines from my discussion, you automatically entered into a discussion of this quote.
                        I argued that in the USSR the export of raw materials exceeded the export of consumer goods - due to the low cost of goods or supplies on gratuitous loans.

                        1) Why did you claim this? If my message, to which you responded, does not say a word about the export of raw materials. I know why tongue
                        2) You have already been asked to prove the unfounded words about "gratuitous loans" from Switzerland and Great Britain. There was no proof.
                        3) If our goods were needed (well, since they were bought) by the countries of “developed capitalism” because of the favorable price-quality ratio for the buyer, then is it false to say that our consumer goods were not needed by anyone except Africans (and even then in the form of galoshes)?
                        Have you tried reading your opponent? I'll repeat myself for you personally.

                        No need to repeat myself. I remember very well this clumsy attempt to defend the nonsense said by the president.
                      8. -1
                        31 July 2025 14: 29
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I was discussing Putin's quote. By starting to argue with me, quoting lines from my discussion, you automatically entered into a discussion of this quote.

                        That is, all those discussing the first post under the article are obliged to discuss it strictly - automatically??
                        What's wrong with her..

                        .
                        Quote: your1970
                        the export of consumer goods to the Russian Federation is lower than raw materials and lower than the export of consumer goods of the USSR. This is an indisputable fact and I did not dispute it. .
                        If you didn't see this, put the owl back in place.
                      9. -1
                        31 July 2025 15: 01
                        That is, all those discussing the first post under the article are obliged to discuss it strictly - automatically??

                        Manipulation - reduction to absurdity. Achieved by excluding the meaning that the excluded words "quoting lines from my discussion" carry.
                        So - yes, if all those discussing the first post quote lines from the first post, under which (the quoted lines) they give their answer, then they automatically enter into its discussion.
                        if you didn't see it

                        What you didn't see was - "There was no discussion of the excess of consumer goods exports over raw materials exports. It was you who tried to make such a substitution."
                        The text you quoted appeared FAR from the first message.
              2. +1
                30 July 2025 16: 58
                Quote: your1970
                She bought at dumping prices and sold them under her own brands.

                And now? Does it take?
                1. -4
                  30 July 2025 20: 06
                  Quote: FIR FIR
                  Quote: your1970
                  She bought at dumping prices and sold them under her own brands.

                  And now? Does it take?

                  I don't know, the opponent claims that he takes it
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Clockwork and now buys (bought, in any case),
                  1. +1
                    31 July 2025 10: 37
                    And besides clockwork? Cars or machine tools?
                    1. -2
                      31 July 2025 12: 15
                      Quote: FIR FIR
                      And besides clockwork? Cars or machine tools?

                      Do you want to supply machines to Africa or the CMEA on a non-repayable loan?
                      What's the point of their deliveries if loans started being written off back under Brezhnev?
                      1. 0
                        1 August 2025 14: 08
                        Quote: your1970
                        to Africa or to the CMEA

                        And why exactly to Africa, Soviet heavy machine tools, forging and mining equipment, cars and generators, cameras and calculators were not considered shameful to be purchased by very developed countries like Italy, Belgium, Great Britain, Japan and France Yes And now?
      2. +7
        30 July 2025 08: 09
        Under the communists, I was sure that the Soviet people were smart and sensible, but as soon as Gorbachev gave freedom of speech to the enemies of the communists, it immediately became clear how many people among the citizens of the USSR, to put it mildly, had low intelligence, were incapable of independent thinking and analyzing incoming information. So, the perestroika people instilled in them a delusional anti-Soviet myth that before the communists, "Russia fed the whole world," and they believed it, and still believe it. And it didn't even dawn on them that it couldn't possibly be that one country feeds the whole world.
        Well, the perestroika people convinced them that Lenin said that every cook can run the State, and they still believe in it, and even with the Internet, they don’t have the intelligence to check whether Lenin really said this.
        1. -2
          30 July 2025 13: 02
          Quote: tatra
          it immediately became clear how many people among the citizens of the USSR there are, to put it mildly, with low intelligence, incapable of independent thinking, analyzing incoming information

          Well, finally - otherwise, damn, half the country treated hemorrhoids by putting them next to the TV - with a "gorgeous Soviet education", yeah-yeah....
          1. 0
            30 July 2025 16: 13
            The enemies of the communists and the USSR, “liberated” by Gorbachev, have proven that even the best education and upbringing are of no use to you.
            And you received the same education as the supporters of the USSR, BUT at the same time, if the USSR is a large-scale development of the country, then your highly paid “work” in all the republics of the USSR that you captured is total degradation in everything without exception compared to the USSR.
    4. -2
      30 July 2025 12: 59
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Russia will finally bid farewell to the Bologna Convention
      The Soviet system of higher education was not bad. Why did they introduce the Bologna system in our country?

      For
      1) elimination of exit exams - absolutely uncontrolled and allowing parents to be milked as they please. This global trough has been cut back significantly...
      2) to give a rural resident the opportunity to enter the institute and to eliminate the factor of neglect of urban residents towards rural residents
      These points are already quite sufficient.

      And the quality of Soviet education is known to everyone - zero critical ratio allowed to take the entire country from the population and treat hemorrhoids by putting it to the TV
      1. +3
        30 July 2025 14: 53
        Quote: your1970
        And the quality of Soviet education is well known - zero critical attitude allowed to take the country away from the population and treat hemorrhoids by putting it to the TV

        Did you treat him personally? Or just "throw him on the fan"? You, like LZhENitsyn, will start claiming that half the country was in camps (not pioneer ones), and the other half guarded them.
        1. -5
          30 July 2025 15: 00
          Quote: Bumblebee_3
          Quote: your1970
          And the quality of Soviet education is well known - zero critical attitude allowed to take the country away from the population and treat hemorrhoids by putting it to the TV

          Did you treat him personally? Or just "throw him on the fan"? You, like LZhENitsyn, will start claiming that half the country was in camps (not pioneer ones), and the other half guarded them.

          No.
          I saw how citizens treated hemorrhoids, prostatitis, hernia and other age-related illnesses, how they charged water and cream to Chumak. How in Dubna at the Laboratory of Nuclear Reactions of the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research scientists seriously discussed in the smoking room how to measure the impact of Kashpirovsky's energy through television.
          How our battalion commander's wife's jaw opened like Chumak and didn't close - and we took her to the hospital in a guard car.
          EVERYONE has seen it - and to deny it is stupid.
          1. +3
            30 July 2025 15: 18
            Quote: your1970
            How our battalion commander's wife's jaw opened like Chumak and didn't close - and we took her to the hospital in a guard car.
            EVERYONE has seen it - and to deny it is stupid.

            Well, this is completely Stanislavsky-esque! I just want to tell you, don't talk bullshit! I didn't see or hear a single employee at my former job about disputes about Kashpirovsky, Chumak, Longo! Everyone said only one thing: what kind of weirdo with the letter M allowed this to go on air! By the way, my former job was of a defense nature and there were very competent specialists. I myself, not often, but visited Baikonur.
            Well, and your battalion commander's wife, did she by any chance swallow a light bulb? I remember that trick too!
          2. +1
            30 July 2025 15: 37
            Quote: your1970
            How our battalion commander's wife's jaw opened like Chumak and didn't close - and we took her to the hospital in a guard car.
            EVERYONE has seen it - and to deny it is stupid.

            You couldn't have imagined that your battalion commander broke his wife's jaw with a blow? Or is your battalion commander such a "woodpecker" that he shows his wife with her mouth open to the whole unit, without thinking to cover it with a handkerchief? He would have said that his teeth or gums hurt.
            1. -3
              30 July 2025 21: 23
              Quote: Bumblebee_3
              Quote: your1970
              How our battalion commander's wife's jaw opened like Chumak and didn't close - and we took her to the hospital in a guard car.
              EVERYONE has seen it - and to deny it is stupid.

              You couldn't have imagined that your battalion commander broke his wife's jaw with a blow? Or is your battalion commander such a "woodpecker" that he shows his wife with her mouth open to the whole unit, without thinking to cover it with a handkerchief? He would have said that his teeth or gums hurt.

              For those who don't understand - the battalion commander was on duty for the regiment, she got scared and ran to the unit. His fist was about the size of my head - if he had hit her, he would have torn half her face apart. They took her to the hospital - I draw your attention - her jaw was not dislocated - our medical unit knew how to set dislocations. She had a facial muscle spasm and she was in the hospital.
    5. 0
      3 August 2025 15: 57
      And it’s like the joke about the brothel and the beds.
  3. + 13
    30 July 2025 05: 38
    The acquisition of housing at current prices and available housing programs is the main propaganda of childfree people.
    Sometimes a family wants a second child, but understands that in the current reality, it cannot afford it financially. Also, the aspect of confidence in the future is not for everyone.
  4. +9
    30 July 2025 05: 53
    The country needs soldiers, plowmen, bakers...
    The country needs children, many children.
    The country needs families with children...many families.
    Where is the specific algorithm for solving these problems?
    It's like in mathematics...there are input data...there is no necessary equation to solve it.
    Who can offer it?
    Who will implement it?
    1. + 19
      30 July 2025 06: 14
      First of all, the country's leadership needs to turn its front to its people, not its backside. Finally realize that immediate profit and gain are not the most important things in this life. People do not feel protected, there is no defense, no faith in the future.
      1. +1
        30 July 2025 06: 17
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        First of all, the country's leadership needs to turn its front to its people, not its backside.

        There's a thing here... what They turn their faces towards us when we turn our backs to them.
        1. +5
          30 July 2025 07: 07
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Here's the thing... they turn their front to us when we have our back to them.
          Bending over wink
      2. +8
        30 July 2025 09: 15
        The greatest reduction is in the titular nation – Russians. According to the 2002 and 2010 censuses, the number of Russians in Russia decreased by 4,9 million, while the number of representatives of other nationalities increased by 2,6 million. According to the 2021 census, 105,58 million people called themselves Russian. (compared to 112,51 million in 2010), that is, by almost 7 million people. less - and this despite the annexation of Crimea.

        According to the sociologist and specialist in migration processes Vladimir Ermolaev (publication TsarGrad), if current trends continue, in 2040 there will be no more than 90 million Russians, and by 2100 the share of Russians may fall to 50%. And not only patriots, but also our Chechen friends are already telling us about this problem.
        1. +5
          30 July 2025 10: 18
          And according to the 1989 census, there were 118 million Russians in the RSFSR, that is, without taking into account the Russians who moved from other former republics of the USSR and Russian Crimeans, the reduction in Russians amounted to about 18-20 million.
        2. -5
          30 July 2025 13: 28
          Quote: Alexander Odintsov
          The greatest reduction is in the titular nation – Russians. According to the 2002 and 2010 censuses, the number of Russians in Russia decreased by 4,9 million, while the number of representatives of other nationalities increased by 2,6 million. According to the 2021 census, 105,58 million people called themselves Russian. (compared to 112,51 million in 2010), that is, by almost 7 million people. less - and this despite the annexation of Crimea.

          According to the sociologist and specialist in migration processes Vladimir Ermolaev (publication TsarGrad), if current trends continue, in 2040 there will be no more than 90 million Russians, and by 2100 the share of Russians may fall to 50%. And not only patriots, but also our Chechen friends are already telling us about this problem.

          According to one census, there were the following nationalities in Moscow:
          - Cossacks 1080.
          - elves 100 something
          - plasterer 4
          I wouldn't be surprised if they previously considered themselves Russian.
          All these indications of nationality are from the evil one. Because formally Pushkin and Lermontov are relatively Russian, and so wherever you pick someone, you will find either a Ukrainian in the 10th generation or a Tatar in the 20th generation.
          - Apostle 3
  5. + 10
    30 July 2025 06: 18
    Neither demography nor education can be solved with paragraphs and laws alone. Something human must be included here, which is so lacking in our time. All this bureaucratic stuff, what a man should be like, and what a woman should be like will not work until we include purely human relations. A society of egoists tends to be deaf to everything that does not concern it. Probably many have noticed that in many ways we have stopped understanding each other, speaking the same language. There is more to come. Babylon fell because people stopped understanding each other, speaking different languages. We will soon stop understanding each other, speaking the same language. The whole society needs to be improved.
  6. -12
    30 July 2025 06: 30
    The abolition of alimony will improve demography and reduce the number of divorces.
    1. +1
      30 July 2025 09: 14
      Are you by any chance a malicious evader of alimony payments? And how will the abolition of alimony affect demographics and divorces? Something doesn't add up
      1. + 11
        30 July 2025 09: 38
        On the fact that 70-80% of youth divorces (under 30) are initiated by women. They were prepared for a life like in a fairy tale, and what a life it is - wandering around rented apartments with a screaming child in their arms. So they go crazy, and it's all their husband's fault
        1. -3
          30 July 2025 13: 30
          Quote: kamakama
          On the fact that 70-80% of youth divorces (under 30) are initiated by women. They were prepared for a life like in a fairy tale, and what a life it is - wandering around rented apartments with a screaming child in their arms. So they go crazy, and it's all their husband's fault

          And then suddenly she gets the fortune of 5-7-10 thousand in alimony, yeah-yeah.....
      2. +2
        30 July 2025 18: 38
        It is enough to look at the statistics of divorces of 80% and almost the same % of the initiators of the divorce are women. Children are left with women almost 100% of the time, even an alcoholic woman has more rights to a child than a normal working man. This is about the equality of the sexes according to the Constitution. Do you know many women who pay alimony?

        The man is completely excluded from the decision-making process about whether there will be a child or not. The man has no right to artificial insemination, but the woman has, the man cannot have an abortion, and the state will pay for the woman's abortion.
        That is, the decision to have children depends entirely on the woman, and the state pushes the child's maintenance onto the man. Just don't talk about men not wanting children and not wanting to raise them, you can look at the Priluchny trial, for example.

        The number of alimony defaulters in the Russian Federation is constantly growing and now it is about 2 million and recently this became a criminal article, accordingly children are deprived of the right to work in the civil service, since they automatically become the children of a criminal.

        I don’t pay alimony and I won’t, because I would rather send my wife on a one-way trip than allow my children to listen to their mother being fucked by another Vasgen on the wall.

        Russian society is deeply matriarchal, and women are ultra-feminized by liberalism - urban culture. My body is my business, etc. Even in India, Russian women are considered SB, and I won't even mention the West and Turkey - the notorious Natasha.

        High birth rates exist only in traditional (rural) patriarchal societies. When a woman is placed above a man by the state, what kind of birth rate can we talk about?

        We chose the worst path - in the USSR they destroyed traditional society, then tried to recreate it, but failed. Even the classics of the Communist Party wrote that men should be subjected to reverse discrimination and women should have not only equal rights, but also more rights than men, like before they had fewer rights. Therefore, despite the formal equality of rights enshrined in the Constitution - men in the Russian Federation are discriminated against. Women live longer, but retire earlier, there are no life sentences for women, no strict regime zones, no mobilization, children after divorce, etc.

        And I would not only cancel alimony, introduce gender equality, but also pass a law that you can only marry once. If you get divorced, the state will not register a new marriage and all further property relations of the new civil marriage will be only by contracts and checks, there will be no such thing as jointly acquired property. And as in England, I would introduce an additional payment to the pension for spouses - those who have preserved this unit of society.

        It is obvious that a traditional society in Russia can no longer be built and the maximum that can be fought for is gender equality. There is no gender equality now and this is a direct violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Why no one cares about this violation of the Basic Law is a question.
        Apparently, the matriarchal liberal firmware is embedded in the subcortex and a person is simply unable to look at the situation soberly. That is why the Russian Federation is dying out and the Russian population is actively being replaced by migrants with a traditional rural culture. Of course, you can downvote my opinion, but the divorce rate in the country is 60-80%, and the birth rate is based only on Muslims. Your minuses and lack of understanding of the problem are what will kill Russia, not me.

        And alimony is completely cancelled and replaced by joint custody when the child lives alternately with the father and then with the mother (as is the case in many countries) and it does not turn out that the father, even with the bailiff, cannot always see his child and completely loses contact with him.
        1. +2
          31 July 2025 06: 47
          It seems that you are a malicious alimony defaulter and when you are very much offended by women, you issue such a treatise.
          1. 0
            31 July 2025 16: 45
            No, I'm just for truth and justice. And I don't like that men in the Russian Federation are second class and the population is being replaced by migrants.
            1. +1
              31 July 2025 20: 34
              Well, if you consider yourself second-class, then my condolences.
              1. -1
                31 July 2025 20: 45
                If I thought so, I wouldn't yelp. The problem is that the state considers men second-class citizens.
                And the brain of some men, raised by matriarchy, is unable to comprehend their position and thinks that this is how it should be. And does not even think to object to this.

                A simple question: why do women in the Russian Federation live longer and retire earlier?
                1. +1
                  31 July 2025 21: 40
                  Yes, women live longer everywhere according to statistics, and you have a million complexes in your head and cockroaches, apparently you didn’t serve in the army and still don’t understand anything about life.
                  1. 0
                    31 July 2025 23: 29
                    Don't avoid answering a simple and direct question - why do women in the Russian Federation live longer and retire earlier?
                    1. -1
                      31 July 2025 23: 44
                      Quote: Totor5
                      Why do women in Russia live longer?

                      You were told: according to statistics. And not only in the Russian Federation. And also... they drink less, don't they? wink

                      Quote: Totor5
                      and they retire earlier

                      However, tradition... but you don't know how to give birth... and neither do I, which is typical winked

                      Quote: Totor5
                      Don't avoid answering a simple and direct question

                      It is extremely funny to watch an entity that believes that someone is obliged to answer its (not always smart) questions without question. Yes
        2. +2
          31 July 2025 08: 29
          "And alimony is completely cancelled and replaced by joint custody, when the child lives alternately with the father and then with the mother (as is the case in many countries)"
          Can you tell me how this works in practice? For example, the child's school and the father's place of residence are located 100 kilometers away. And how will your new wife feel about this idea?
          1. -1
            31 July 2025 16: 47
            Search the Internet for how it is. If a woman has broken up a family, then of course this has consequences for the child.
            The school is 100 km away....and why not on the Moon, for example? Let's take everything to the absolute.
            1. +2
              31 July 2025 17: 52
              You're sending me to the internet again))) I'm not interested in laws, but in their implementation in practice.
              I asked a specific question. Simply because I am divorced and live on the other side of a city with a population of over a million from my ex-wife. I can't imagine how to travel an hour to school, then an hour to work, then back again. Rent nearby? It's just not cost-effective. Moreover, I can go on a business trip for a month. And what if the child lives with me during this month?

              In principle, I can guess what's going on with you. Withdrawal, the first year when you need to rebuild your life, fill it, I went through this. Then everything will get better. Get yourself a woman, at worst a hobby
              1. 0
                31 July 2025 18: 47
                If you specifically have no idea, then write a statement to refuse joint custody. Who will forbid you from doing this?
                Only here it is necessary to understand that a man and a woman should have equal rights to a child and who will ultimately pay alimony, a husband or a wife - will be clear only after the court. This is fair.

                If you are interested in the details of joint custody, why do you think that satisfying your curiosity is my life's work. Search the Internet for this topic. I have only indicated the direction and a possible alternative.

                What you imagine about me is all your personal problems and speculations. I have no problems with this.
                1. +1
                  31 July 2025 19: 00
                  Well. I say it again - legal issues are secondary to banal everyday ones. And I still haven't heard an answer to a specific everyday question. You can tell right away that he's a seasoned theorist. My cousin is the same way - I want to take the child (a 13-year-old boy), we'll live and all that. In fact, he turned out to be incapable of cooking what the child eats
                  In principle, the main part of the problems is shown in a foreign movie called "Daddy at Home". Have you watched it? I hope that before moving on to practice, you will answer the everyday questions that are raised there?
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D1%83%D0%B9,_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0,_%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4!
                  1. 0
                    31 July 2025 20: 39
                    What do you want from me? Do you want me to feel sorry for you because of your 100 km or what?
                    Your everyday problems are your personal everyday problems. I am talking about a law that should be the same for everyone.
                    If your brother (in your opinion) is not capable of something, then these are rather your problems, and not even his and certainly not mine.
                    1. 0
                      2 August 2025 10: 19
                      Well, solve the legal issues, solve them. There will be another stillborn thing.
  7. +3
    30 July 2025 06: 36
    I don't understand something else. Why do they need a population increase? Our unemployment is at a record low, we have to import eshkebe, there is no one to work. And our industrial production is decreasing (Rosselmash -40, Tikhvin and so on).
    In our country, we have put the destruction of the population on a conveyor belt, get a shot in the ass from Covid, raise your pension. A lot of people have left over the past 30 years. Here we go again.
    In general, the question
    1. +1
      30 July 2025 17: 30
      Quote: Enny
      Why do they need population growth?

      For 20 million high-tech jobs.
    2. 0
      30 July 2025 19: 05
      At the University we learned that for development we need to create an internal market, and that is at least 250 million. That is, we need to increase the birth rate or recreate the USSR.
      1. +1
        30 July 2025 20: 57
        The last sentence even sounds funny.
        Either the USSR is capable of existing with any population size with equal efficiency, or when the USSR is restored, the entire population of the USSR will be restored.
        1. -1
          30 July 2025 22: 24
          Well, how many live in republics like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc.? There are about 250 million.
          1. +1
            31 July 2025 08: 45
            Then I don't really understand.
            It seems that they are treated as parasites, drawing money from the RSFSR, and now they need to be annexed again. But that's half the trouble.
            The main question is different - what to do with those who do not want to join (the overwhelming majority of former republics)? To join by force? Then these millions will definitely not be enough
            1. 0
              31 July 2025 11: 52
              Quote: Russian_Ninja
              who would not want to join (the vast majority of former republics)?

              Are you absolutely sure about this?
              Why then do they come here in millions, with their entire families, and each of them wants citizenship?
              Only a narrow layer of bais and beks does not want it there, but it is very narrow, just like ours...
              1. 0
                31 July 2025 13: 41
                Does Russia really need Central Asia?
                And don't forget that business trips don't mean they want to give up their independence.
                1. 0
                  31 July 2025 13: 56
                  Quote: Russian_Ninja
                  Does Russia really need Central Asia?

                  I don’t know about Russia (apparently not really, but they’ll do it here soon), but the USSR was needed as an integral part of a great state.
                  Quote: Russian_Ninja
                  that business trips do not indicate that they want to give up

                  These are business trips to Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and nothing more), here we see quite a mass migration, with families, with the desire to obtain citizenship and stay here forever. They are massively acquiring real estate, they already have their own neighborhoods in some places, then more, maybe soon entire settlements will appear... What "business trips" and "independence" are we talking about?
                  1. -1
                    31 July 2025 13: 58
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    I don’t know about Russia (apparently not really, but they’ll do it here soon), but the USSR was needed as an integral part of a great state.

                    Well, actually, under the tsars it was part of Russia.
                    1. 0
                      31 July 2025 14: 00
                      Are we talking about an empire or a federation? Or does it make no difference?
                      1. 0
                        31 July 2025 14: 02
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        Are we talking about an empire or a federation? Or does it make no difference?

                        In fact, this is one country with a thousand-year history and a change in name should not change the essence.
                      2. 0
                        31 July 2025 14: 04
                        Quote: guest
                        and the change in name should not change the essence.

                        That's true. What happened under Ivan the Terrible is also the case with modern presidents, nothing new..?
            2. -1
              31 July 2025 16: 51
              And where did I write that they need to be attached by force, can you quote? That's the first thing.
              Secondly, it is not necessary to pursue the international policy of the USSR, where the rights of Russians were infringed upon in favor of the national outskirts.
              When I talk about the USSR, I mean the population of 250 million, not Communism. Isn't that obvious?
              1. 0
                1 August 2025 07: 51
                And it won't work out any other way. Or will the people themselves throw off the khans and bais and come with their heads down to crumple their hats on Red Square? I'm afraid that's too rosy.
                1. 0
                  1 August 2025 19: 13
                  Well, the situation with Ukraine hints at how it might be, as does the situation with Belarus.
  8. +7
    30 July 2025 06: 38
    I can argue about the younger generation.. My son (one of four) is now 17 years old. And for a couple of years now, in the summer, he has often independently looked for a place where he could earn extra money. At his older brother's in Ulyanovsk, or at the farmers' house... Everything depends on us, on our parents.
    1. +5
      30 July 2025 06: 55
      And for a couple of years now, in the summer, he has often been independently looking for a place where he can earn extra money.
      But there are also those who: But I am the "queen"!!! How can I work??? I'd rather become a cosmetics blogger (rest, doing nothing) to show!!!
      1. +5
        30 July 2025 06: 57
        There have always been such people. Now, apparently, there are more of them. But in rural areas, there are only a few of them.
        1. +7
          30 July 2025 07: 10
          That's exactly it, in the countryside. The closer to the city, the more temptations.
          1. +7
            30 July 2025 08: 17
            Quote: Ady66
            The closer to the city, the more temptations.

            Especially at work. wink
            Every day I see huge traffic jams in the morning at the entrance to the regional center, and in the evening from it.
            People from the nearest and not so distant outskirts go to work. Apparently there are not enough "temptations". lol
      2. + 15
        30 July 2025 08: 11
        And who should they want to be? They don't invite a factory worker to the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, but Dania Milokhin. When a city council deputy comes to my child's Parliamentary lesson at school and says "let's take a selfie" and talks about the importance of social networks in their activities because that's the topic of the lesson. When the same bloggers go to the president's direct line to ask questions and he communicates with them, and questions from those who work are somehow ignored.

        In our country there is no policy or propaganda aimed at popularizing blue-collar jobs, at forming a positive and attractive image of the professions of teachers, doctors, and police officers.
        1. + 14
          30 July 2025 08: 55
          How can one create an attractive image of a teacher if after graduation he is offered a salary at the level of a cleaning lady? How can one create an image of a doctor if everyone knows that the average salary in a hospital does not correspond to the real one?
          1. +6
            30 July 2025 09: 46
            That's it.
            And people are surprised and outraged why children want to be bloggers
          2. 0
            30 July 2025 17: 32
            Quote: Ady66
            how to form a doctor's image

            It is perfectly formed by the appointment at the clinic.
        2. 0
          30 July 2025 19: 17
          An acquaintance of mine, after graduating from university (a couple of years before the war), went to work as a young engineer at a military plant in the region that makes missiles.
          ЗП = minimum wage. I was even surprised.
          In fact, a person studied, and they offer him a salary at the level of a janitor or a guard. It is clear that there was a terrible shortage and people after the vocational school went wherever, but not to the plant. And now rockets are very much needed and HR officers are calling pensioners asking them to come back to work and offering more money.

          How much do they pay a worker at AvtoVAZ?

          "However, AvtoVAZ's open vacancies do not offer such attractive salaries. The target 95-99 thousand rubles (or larger amounts) are offered by default only for managers: heads of departments and heads of services. Among blue-collar jobs, only turners, toolmakers and milling machine operators will be able to achieve salaries over 90 thousand rubles without overtime. Minimum rates have increased by only five percent since April. For example, salaries for technicians and design technicians have increased from 25 to 700 rubles.
          As of mid-December 2024, AvtoVAZ has about 120 vacancies, the minimum salary is 27 thousand rubles, and the maximum salary, excluding overtime, is up to 137 thousand rubles for qualified applicants. According to official estimates, over the past two years, the average salary at Lada plants in Tolyatti has more than doubled."
      3. +2
        30 July 2025 08: 53
        And when has this not happened?
        In the 90s, bandits and prostitutes had a similar aura.
        I am sure that humanity will always try to simplify their lives. Especially in those areas that take up most of their time in this very life.
        1. +3
          30 July 2025 09: 18
          But they were not presented at the main venues of the country, and if they did appear there, they were positioned as businessmen, philanthropists and generally hard workers. That is, even at that time, some respect for creative activity was cultivated.
          Well, and using the 90s as an example is also not good, because all of today's problems stem from them. Although there are plenty of new ones
  9. 0
    30 July 2025 07: 26
    It's time to open brothels at the legislative level. There will be fewer divorces and more happy people. And as a result, the birth rate will increase. 😃
    1. +6
      30 July 2025 08: 57
      And contraceptives in these houses should be abolished as a class laughing It will be a sort of demographic incubator! laughing
      1. +4
        30 July 2025 13: 01
        And oblige all girls from 18 years old to work in them for at least 2 years. Such a sex appeal....and "demobilization" only after the birth of a child...)))
  10. + 10
    30 July 2025 07: 36
    All state social programs are pure show! I was lucky, I paid off the mortgage in two years and that was because I played on the stock exchanges in the 20s, there were loopholes then and basically saved up by luck, I had to, the army did not give anything, "Taburetkin" with his Vasilyeva came and cut all the housing programs! I had to flee the army, I did not see the point in defending such a government! The child is growing, we could not afford a second one, there is no such freebie as 11 years ago, the rulers now strictly monitor that the servants do not become rich. I have two higher educations, neither of them was useful in my specialty, the country does not need smart people! Here is the answer, why teach children for XNUMX years, why all these diplomas, degrees and titles. If you have no connections and did not get into the clip, you are just meat from which taxes are drawn. To hell with it all...
  11. + 13
    30 July 2025 07: 56
    Insanity grew stronger.

    You don't need to study, you need to reproduce. And how will such undereducated and unseen parents raise their children and what will these children become, the state doesn't care. Or are they finally trying to turn Russia into a third world country and that's why they are so actively importing foreign specialists from countries where such things are commonplace?

    The promised 150 thousand rubles is just ridiculous, buy a stroller and a crib and a little bit left for children's bedding. Where will these undereducated parents go next? Where are the laws and measures aimed specifically at raising children? I have three of them, clothes, clubs and sections, food, entertainment, getting them ready for school, expenses during the school year - all this costs a lot. And add here the little things, like buying a toy or going to a cafe?

    What is the reality? There is talk from the government about the need to increase the demographics and there are crazy prices for housing, lack of places for leisure and recreation, complete lack of confidence in the future. And that is why some of my friends constantly say, no-no, what children, and others stopped at 1-2. BECAUSE CHILDREN ARE RESPONSIBILITY! And our government cannot understand this, and therefore strives to pull the wool over the eyes of students and schoolchildren who think critically.
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      1. +7
        30 July 2025 08: 57
        Honor to you and praise!
        All my children were born in the 2010s and 2020s, and I grew up in the 90s myself. And here's what I can notice: in the 90s, despite all the shit going on around us, it was easier to raise children and grow up in general. I grew up in a mining single-industry town (I don't think I need to tell you what was like in mining towns back then) and ALL our classes were free, plus a private house and our own natural products, chickens, pigs, potatoes and carrots, and mushrooms and berries. And anyway, the overall atmosphere was safer.

        Now I live in the regional center and a city with a million people, and here, with the general abundance of temptations, which were more than in my childhood and to which children have a right, there is one more, paid clubs and sections. Especially, for example, karting, I could cut through this in my grandfather's Moskvich or my father's Zhiguli, now this is fraught, forgive me.

        Dancing for girls, with performances around the Russian Federation, which are at their own expense, of course, three or four times a year Kazan, St. Petersburg, Moscow, but there was also Vladivostok. In my childhood, my boxing competitions were somehow miraculously paid for by our House of Creativity (though we didn't travel that far anyway)

        In my school life there weren't many excursions, but now there are. And all of them are paid, although no, we actively went on hikes, with teachers and rafting and it was free. But now it's forbidden by law, or rather it's possible, but only with licensed instructors, guides, etc. And that means it's become paid too.
        And I pay for this and much more, I don't even complain, because I understand that this is an investment in children. And they are interested in this. Only the state does not understand this and schoolchildren who will give birth for the sake of 150 thousand rubles, and then will either limit in everything because there is no opportunity or even worse, scandals, quarrels and broken marriages, because they are not ready to work and spend on children.
        1. +2
          30 July 2025 09: 04
          In my city, where I live now, I used to live in a completely different place, with a population of 10000 people, two swimming pools, one city, another at the new school, one ice palace, two stadiums. An hour at the school swimming pool costs 100 rubles, football and dancing sections are also not expensive and thank God the boys and girls do it, yes, not all, but there is constant noise and hubbub... there are those who sit on their phones, they walk around like in a modern way.
          As for the 90s, yes, having your own garden or vegetable patch was a great help, preserves, potatoes, everything you could do...
          1. +7
            30 July 2025 09: 42
            I live in Perm and it is difficult to find free sections here, or rather, all of them are conditionally free, for example, the dance studio where my daughter studies is free, but costumes and trips, as I wrote above, are at my own expense, internal concerts in Perm too, because renting a community center costs money. Although legally free.
            As for the 90s, yes, having your own garden or vegetable patch was a great help, preserves, potatoes, everything you could do...

            Well, now we buy all this. Because my parents also moved to Perm, and age with illnesses, my father is an Afghan veteran, then more than 10 years as a miner in a mine, then a period of timelessness and work in the oil industry after moving to Perm, my mother is a teacher, i.e. both have professions that did not add to health. And I do not have time yet to acquire a house and land and grow something on it, family and work take everything. By the way, about the promises of the state, as a large family we had the right to receive a plot of land, but we were refused because ... our income level is above average and everything is fine with housing. So I honestly pay the mortgage. And when advertising the increase in the birth rate, our leaders do not talk about this side of the matter, although there is a family mortgage, many families cannot afford it.
    2. -3
      30 July 2025 13: 38
      Quote: RedEran
      150 tr belay it is generally funny, stroller belay and a crib belay buy and a little bit belay there will be some left over for children's bedding.

      No, well if a stroller from a Rolls Royce, and underwear made of natural silk - then , no, it's not enough...
      A perfect example - that no increase in payments and children's benefits will increase the birth rate. Because then he will want a stroller for 500, and underwear for 200.....
      Pure consumerism - everyone owes me
      1. 0
        30 July 2025 16: 16
        Pure consumerism - everyone owes me

        Excuse me, but did I write about this somewhere in my comments? It seems that I wrote the opposite, that I don’t complain and understand WHY and WHY I spend money on raising children.
        Well, if the stroller is from a Rolls Royce and the underwear is made of natural silk, then

        No, if it is a regular and maximally comfortable stroller, with a swivel mechanism and wheels, a brake, free movement of the axle, so that it is more convenient in the snow or when walking in the park, spacious, so that the child grows and does not become cramped and made of decent materials, many strollers come with a car seat (more appropriately called a car seat). and also a crib with a movable sleeping place, because when the child is very small, so that it is easier for parents to bend over to him, it should be higher, a little grows up and we lower it lower, so that he does not climb over and does not fall out, even older we lower it even lower and remove one wall. My youngest child is about 3 years old, so I went through everything and bought it quite recently and am aware of the prices, as well as everything else.
        A model example

        An example of what?
        And yes, how many children do you have and what age are they (I never thought I would ask anyone such a question), I have three, 15 years old, 10 years old and 2 years 6 months old and I can explain to you in detail and point by point how much it costs to raise children in a modern large city, to give them everything they need, and then they will manage on their own.

        No increase in payments and childcare will increase the birth rate

        Almost the position of our government, and then they wonder why no one wants to give birth.
        1. -1
          30 July 2025 19: 43
          Quote: RedEran
          a regular and extremely comfortable stroller with a swivel

          The discussion is pointless - we live in different dimensions. If you are ready to spend 150 on a stroller and a crib - this automatically means that your salary is no less than 000 - because with such requests, your mortgage is no less than 300 per month and an expensive ("maximum comfortable") car on credit.
          If your salary is less, then I don’t believe in your wife or children. For such a tinkling of money, your wife would hammer a 150-ruble nail into your forehead, even without a hammer.
          And yes, here you can buy a house of 92 sq.m with water, gas and asphalt 15 km from the city - for 250. A house for life and a stroller for 000 years - are these comparable things?
          1. -1
            2 August 2025 11: 15
            I apologize for the delay in responding.
            this automatically means that your salary is not less than 300

            Less, if you really want to know. I won't tell you the amount, but I work in the IT department of a large federal telecommunications company. You can google the approximate salary and on HH.ru
            with such requests your mortgage is not less than 100

            Much less
            and an expensive ("maximum comfortable") car on credit.

            Renault Kaptur, 2018, was on credit, which was paid off in 2021. Bought as a trade-in.
            If your salary is less, then I don’t believe in your wife or children. For such a tinkling of money, your wife would hammer a 150-ruble nail into your forehead, even without a hammer.

            Whether you believe it or not is your right, I will not give you a certificate of a large family and a stamp in your passport.
            And yes, you were probably very unlucky with your wife, firstly, my wife also works, secondly, she was given maternity benefits, thirdly, after the birth of the 3rd child, she started working remotely (in her own organization) after 6 months, and she completely left maternity leave after 1,5 years.
            And yes, you can buy a house of 92 sq.m. with water, gas and asphalt 15 km from the city for 250.

            I don't know where this "your place" is, but in Perm and Perm Krai it's impossible. 15 km from Perm, where I live, for sure.
            A house for life and a stroller for 3 years - are they comparable?

            Either your region is very economical, or you are very far from modern prices for raising children. And yes, I have NEVER written about the cost of a stroller for 150 tr, but I wrote that these 150 tr that our government promises will go to the max to buy everything necessary in the first weeks (or even before the birth of the child)
            We live in different dimensions.

            It is quite possible that your prices and standard of living are very strange.
  12. + 11
    30 July 2025 08: 08
    A good baby stroller costs about 100 rubles.
    Children's clothing is more expensive than adult clothing.
    Diapers, food, toys, etc. are also not cheap, and one working young father will work his ass off to feed and clothe his family.
    And I also want to have a car, go on vacation, do repairs, etc.
    And if you look at salaries a little further than 200 km from Moscow, then what kind of demographics might there be?
    1. -1
      30 July 2025 13: 14
      There are many options for buying the necessary things for a child. For example, there is a well-known website with used things, where all these strollers, bicycles, etc. can be bought for 30-50% of the store price. The condition varies, but you can often find something ideal. Sometimes you can find completely free ones, just take them. You can even find clothes that have never been worn for 1000 rubles for a lot of things. Moreover, you only need to give birth to a child and the young parents meet other parents in kindergarten or while walking - and they pass unwanted clothes to each other in bags for free. So, whoever wants to - have children, and do not look for excuses (all the desires for cars, repairs, Turkey and Egypt can be pushed aside)
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        30 July 2025 13: 42
        Quote: Guest
        There are many options for buying the necessary things for a child. For example, there is a well-known website with used things, all these strollers, bicycles and other things can be bought there for 30-50% of the store price. The condition varies, you can often find something ideal. Sometimes you can find completely free ones, just take them. You can even find clothes that have never been worn for 1000 rubles for many things.

        awesome suggestion.. from the series - you can "eat pasta like in the 90s" .. you can live in an unfinished dacha, build and grow potatoes right away.. you can spend your vacation by the pond.. you can send your children to a cheap school, and let them play sports in the garden.. you can dress in second-hand or take someone else's clothes from others... you can also treat yourself with herbs.. and you can buy a Moskvich 412 - but it's inexpensive ... and can you find the words who lives like this? I can.. poverty and destitution.. and you yourself must consciously doom yourself to this? let's - "somehow without me" .. however, I am 90% sure that the proposal you describe does not apply to you, since I remember your proposal to give birth to 2-3 children, and then engage in improving housing conditions, shopping and everything else that exists - utopia and fantasy..
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          30 July 2025 14: 00
          Mkaroshki is not my thing.
          Everyone has different needs, children grow very quickly and for example I didn’t see the point in buying a bike for 2 years in a store. I bought it in perfect condition from an ad.
          It won't happen that an 18-20 year old idiot will be immediately given a 3-room apartment and a new foreign car (we're talking about ordinary people). Improving housing conditions often takes a long time. Sometimes a lifetime. If you put off having a child, you can end up with nothing. I suggest doing everything in parallel, setting priorities. For some, comfort and convenience are more important. For others, family. That's exactly how I gave birth to children, living in a 10mXNUMX room. True, I haven't been to Turkey or Egypt. But I'm not interested in that...
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            30 July 2025 16: 30
            .improving housing conditions often takes a long time

            But children are not kittens and they need comfortable conditions for sleeping, resting and doing homework, so maybe you can live in a one-room apartment with one person, but not with two or three and children of different ages.
            Even before marriage, I bought a 2-room apartment, but when there were four of us there + a pet that the children wanted, inconveniences arose, and when the third child was born, there was no longer even a question that we needed to expand and we needed to expand significantly.
            then you might end up with nothing

            Not from a broken trough, but without children, and this is the choice of many, and I have such friends, I wouldn’t say that they are directly suffering, but they agree that in other realities everything could have been different.
            I haven't been to Turkey or Egypt, but I'm not interested...

            Have you ever thought that this could be interesting for children and THEY WANT to go to Turkey, Egypt, Europe, St. Petersburg... choose any destination. And unlike things that you can really take from others or a used bike, there is no such thing as traveling on the secondary market. And traveling is not only a change of scenery that has a beneficial effect on emotional and mental health, but also new emotions, discoveries and simply an awesome expansion of horizons.
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              31 July 2025 19: 11
              I haven't written for a long time... But your comment... You obviously don't know how people live on planet Earth.. Most of the world is thinking about how to survive and not die of hunger. And you are resting.. Life is pain. That's why yes. Used things and food at a great price. I'm tired of this talk about the lack of everything. Consume less.
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                2 August 2025 08: 10
                If you are talking to me, then I know very well how people live on Planet Earth and most importantly, how they (we) live in the Russian Federation. And that is why in my comments I said that no delusional ideas of our government about increasing the birth rate will bring the results they want until the standard of living is improved.
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          31 July 2025 06: 06
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          awesome suggestion.. from the series - you can "eat pasta like in the 90s" .. you can live in an unfinished dacha, build and grow potatoes right away.. you can spend your vacation by the pond.. you can send your children to a cheap school, and let them play sports in the garden.. you can dress in a second-hand store or take someone else's clothes from someone else... you can even treat yourself with herbs.. and you're a Muscovite

          If a person is not ready to give up his habits/desires/lifestyle for the sake of children - and this is always a global change of everything - you can give him an apartment/car/vacation - he will not have many children.
          An example is any wealthy people.
          There is everything for a couple of dozen children with their grandchildren and the question of Moskvich412/makaroshki is not an issue - and there are not many children, although there the clan is survival.
          And when a person wants children, he will get out of any situation, regardless of the conditions.
          The problem we have is that young people don’t want to
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            31 July 2025 07: 05
            Quote: your1970
            If a person is not ready to give up their habits/desires/lifestyle for the sake of their children - and this is always a global change

            Quote: your1970
            And when a person wants children, he will get out of any situation, regardless of the conditions.
            The problem we have is that young people don’t want to

            Well, there is still a difference between giving up and clinging to something in life for the sake of children and living solely for the sake of having as many children as possible to the detriment of everything else in my life and by the way in the development of children's lives too.. because living in the country, working 3 jobs in a family where everyone goes to second-hand stores (as suggested above) and eats from the garden, I'm not sure that the new members of society will turn out to be exactly the same as I imagine my children.. the instinct of procreation is a strong thing, but we are not animals, where is this instinct - the main one?
            Quote: your1970
            An example is any wealthy people.

            for some reason, many wealthy people I know, and millionaires of all kinds, usually have many children... for example: Musk - 6, Abramovich - 8, Potanin - 5, Trump - 5, etc...
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              31 July 2025 11: 37
              in a family where everyone goes to second-hand stores (as suggested above)

              something slightly different was suggested above. Somehow everything was perceived in black and white.
              I can say from experience - no one turns up their nose at things that are given to them if they are needed. They choose the best ones and use them.
              If you are a company owner, an official or a football player, no problem - buy everything new in boutiques and from catalogues, you can even order it personally from a tailor shop. I wrote about ordinary people.
              and as an example - let's say you have a stroller, a bicycle, a car seat and a scooter left from your first child. And the second was born a year or two later. What should you do? Throw everything away and buy a new one for the second (since it's all second-hand). Or use it for the second?
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                31 July 2025 12: 13
                Quote: Guest
                I can say from experience - no one turns up their nose at things that are given to them if they are needed. They choose the best ones and use them.

                tell me honestly - is that what you did - first gave birth to three or four (after the USSR!), then you started to do the rest of your life, simultaneously "raising" them and at the same time neither by inheritance nor somehow "for free" - you didn't have housing yet? but you bought it.. if so - you are a rare fellow and a unique individual, and if not - then you shouldn't "pump up" such a position without doing it yourself... and I already wrote that for me the maximum possible number of children is not the most important thing in life, although I am not at all childfree of course, in fact..
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              31 July 2025 11: 52
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              They feed from the garden, I'm not sure that the new members of society will turn out to be exactly the same as I imagine my children to be.

              Look at your parents and grandparents - no one took them to school or to clubs, no one hired tutors, no one wiped away their tears and snot at the age of 20, and they wore clothes from older children - but nevertheless they grew up GOOD and DECENT people who are needed by their family and the state.
              No one was soft with them or kissed their asses. Dad went to first grade to school 10 km away through the woods - and after Stalingrad there were a lot of wolves in our region. I'm even afraid to imagine what would have happened to my grandmother now - some "I" would have mauled my mother to death even without guardianship.
              Oh well, I grew up and learned...

              And now a generation of children has grown up - self-lovers and egoists. They need parents - as long as there are benefits from them, they don't need children at all, family - why? We'll fuck without obligations (and even this - purely for our own pleasure)....

              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              for some reason, many wealthy people I know, and all sorts of millionaires, usually have many children... for example: Musk - 6, Abramovich - 8, Potanin - 5, Trump - 5, etc.
              income to child ratio - pennyIf we compare their income with the income of ordinary people, then they should have a couple thousand children instead of 5.
              Would you agree to raise 10-15 children - if you had a guaranteed million dollars a month for the rest of your life?
              For some reason I think so lol - and for them 12 million bucks a year is just enough to have a good dinner.
              And you would outdo all the oligarchs
              1. +1
                31 July 2025 12: 35
                Quote: your1970
                Look at your parents and grandparents - no one took them to school or to clubs, no one hired tutors, no one wiped away their tears and snot at the age of 20, and they wore clothes from older children - but nevertheless they grew up to be GOOD and DECENT people - needed by their family and the state.

                That's right, we have three children. But there are two huge nuances. 1. The research institute gave my father a three-room apartment. That is, there was no housing issue for the family. I don't have that. 2. My grandparents helped a lot and raised me, did lessons, etc. I don't have that.
                Quote: your1970
                Would you agree to raise 10-15 children - if you had a guaranteed million dollars a month for the rest of your life?

                yes. I would agree. but children are also attention/upbringing, we are not mice busy with the task of making the maximum number of children, since there is a wild mortality rate and there is not much intellect.. why have a maximum of them - because then - the child-parent connection will practically not exist.. but until 10-15 it will be more or less... you somehow omit emotions from relationships, leaving mathematics hi
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                  31 July 2025 13: 19
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  you somehow leave emotions out of the relationship, leaving mathematics

                  I'm just talking about emotions
                  Quote: your1970
                  And now a generation of children has grown up - self-lovers and egoists. They need parents - as long as there are benefits from them, they don't need children at all, family - why? We'll fuck without obligations (and even this - purely for our own pleasure)....

                  And the commentators are trying to push the idea that if you give egoists a house, they will immediately give birth to three children.
                  They seem to be all adequate people, old people - but they don't see the naked consumerism present and future generations
                  Therefore, no money/benefits/free apartments will give an increase - regardless of the system. Even if communism comes tomorrow - they will say "I have a career and I haven't been to Baikal/Turkey yet"
                  They dont have NEEDS start a family and give birth.
                  So if suddenly there is hunger, cold and defeat in the war - maybe we will get out, but if not - then in 50 years there will be an Islamic Russia. If they do not lose their passionarity
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                    31 July 2025 13: 48
                    Quote: your1970
                    And the commentators are trying to push the idea that if you give egoists a house, they will immediately give birth to three children.

                    egoists will not give birth, but there are still very, very many non-egoists... and don't forget - as a rule - how many children the parents had in the family - a lot depends on this... those who had two, three - it's rare when they themselves have one...
                    Quote: your1970
                    Even if communism comes tomorrow, they will say, "I have a career and I haven't been to Baikal/Turkey yet."

                    and yet most people are stopped by the housing problem.. I judge by myself as well.. if there was housing right away - there would definitely be more children.. This is not the first time you are trying to generalize to all young people, the worldview of only a part of it, about "Gelenwagen, Maldives and a house of 300 sq.m."
                    Quote: your1970
                    So if suddenly there is famine, cold and defeat in the war, maybe we will get out of it, but if not, then in 50 years there will be an Islamic Russia.

                    maybe it will be.. it's the law of life.. a less developed society - reproduces better and has fewer demands - they can live on a farm with 15 children, farm, and raise sheep like 150 years ago..
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                      31 July 2025 14: 34
                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      and yet most people are stopped by the housing problem.

                      And lack of money
                      quote=RedEranAbout the promised 150 tr [/b ] belay this is totally funny belay , buy a stroller and a crib and a little bit belay there will be some left over for children's bedding.

                      [b]That's all the kids - if you need 150 for a stroller
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                        31 July 2025 16: 33
                        Quote: your1970
                        That's all for the kids - if you need 150 for a stroller

                        Maybe someone else has it... I'm talking about myself... the lack of housing stopped me at one time.
                        besides, the discussion there was not specifically about the stroller, but about the fact that 150 thousand rubles as a stimulation of birth rate is meaningless... because it doesn’t really solve anything...
                      2. -1
                        31 July 2025 18: 41
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        there was no talk there specifically about the stroller, but about the fact that 150 thousand rubles as a stimulation of birth rate is meaningless... because it doesn’t really solve anything...

                        And 1-2 million is not a big deal in Moscow when housing costs 20, and here, 15 km from the city, a house of 92 sq. m, with asphalt, water and gas costs 250 belay
                        That's the whole song - "yes, we'll give birth - give us some money!"
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        the fact that 150 thousand rubles as a birth stimulation is pointless... because it doesn't really solve anything...
                        hmm first there was a groan that the strollers were expensive - then "oh come on, what's 150 - give me 10 million".
                        In fact, it's an offer to exchange children for money...
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                        31 July 2025 18: 43
                        Quote: your1970
                        and we have a house 15 km from the city, 92 sq.m., with asphalt, water and gas, costs 250

                        and here in Stavropol there are 5-8 million in the suburbs... are we all moving to you? You probably don't understand that's why - the problems of most of the country, where there are no houses for 250 thousand... hi
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                        31 July 2025 19: 01
                        Quote: 2 level advisor
                        Quote: your1970
                        and we have a house 15 km from the city, 92 sq.m., with asphalt, water and gas, costs 250

                        and here in Stavropol there are 5-8 million in the suburbs... are we all moving to you? You probably don't understand that's why - the problems of most of the country, where there are no houses for 250 thousand... hi

                        Of course, I don’t understand where people get money - buying houses for 6-8 million (for Moscow, by the way, this is pennies) and building roofs for 600.
                        Right now, just for fun, I took out a 20-year mortgage for 7 million - the monthly payment was calculated at 103 rubles.
                        This means that I must earn at least 200 per month. Do you have a ton of work there with a salary of 000? I have vague doubts - that there is no

                        This in turn means that there are practically no poor people in the country - you have a crazy population growth. And those 20 million living on the minimum wage are our so-called beggars - rest they hide it and get it black/gray. But there are significantly fewer poor people in reality
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                        31 July 2025 20: 07
                        Quote: your1970
                        Of course, I don’t understand where people get money - buying houses for 6-8 million (for Moscow, by the way, this is pennies) and building roofs for 600.

                        Quote: your1970
                        Right now, just for fun, I took out a 20-year mortgage for 7 million - the monthly payment was calculated at 103 rubles.

                        that's the problem, that all this is too much for a young family to afford, and in general, housing sales have been at a standstill for almost a year now because of such a mortgage...
                        Quote: your1970
                        And those 20 million who supposedly live on the minimum wage are our supposedly poor - they hide the rest, getting it black/gray. But there are significantly fewer poor people in reality.

                        Unfortunately this is not the case.. laughing
                      6. -1
                        1 August 2025 07: 39
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Unfortunately this is not the case..

                        Fortunately, this is true. I counted the heads on my street - out of 127 houses, 14 official poor people living on the minimum wage for a family, or even less without belay cash receipts There is even a person with negative belay balance - he pays 36 every month to the utility company for draining into the aeration fields.
                        This is what I know for sure and I know them personally. They receive subsidies as low-income and other benefits.
                        They get into the grey/black - the owner of Kamaz (officially unemployed since 1993) belay ), 2 sailors receiving 28 (Rockefellers among MROT members belay ), taxi drivers, 2 hospital security guards in Moscow, a sewage worker, shift workers from the North, taxi drivers.
                        Most really The poor among them are the hospital guards - 80 remains after everything.
                        A sewage disposal worker bought his daughter a 2-room apartment in Saratov in a good area in 2 years - for cash. NEGATIVE(!!!!!) official balance sheet.....
                        And yes, Mara Baghdasaryan was there legally poory - she had no property, no car, no job, so they couldn’t collect the fines from her....

                        There are 5 FTS departments left in the region, the closest one with 3 people is 200 km away from us. They will never be able to come to us for an inspection - as well as catch cash...

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        housing sales have been at a standstill for almost a year now because of such mortgages...
                        - I'll tell you a secret, I don't know about you, but our MFC is groaning - the flow of home buyers hasn't decreased by a gram.
                        And everyone is crying "There is no money!!"...
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                        1 August 2025 10: 04
                        Quote: your1970
                        I counted the heads on my street - out of 127 houses, 14 are officially poor, living on the minimum wage per family, or even without any income at all. There is even a person with a negative balance - he pays 36 to the utility company every month for draining into the aeration fields.
                        This is what I know for sure and I know them personally. They receive subsidies as low-income and other benefits.

                        yes, in rural areas it is common, in urban areas - no.. and taxi drivers and security guards - generally so-so examples of "rich"... What exactly bothers you? That they earn more than you? Or that they get it illegally? If the first - the roads are also open to you - what's so difficult about it, since millions have started coming in, it turns out.. If the second - they certainly didn't become rich from 10-30 thousand rubles in subsidies and it certainly won't be enough for apartments, so I didn't quite get your idea, because we are talking about a salary of 200 thousand rubles received en masse by the population..
                        Quote: your1970
                        - I'll tell you a secret, I don't know about you, but our MFC is groaning - the flow of home buyers hasn't decreased by a gram.
                        And everyone is crying "There is no money!!"...

                        in general, our whole country lives - richly and happily, receiving 200 thousand rubles en masse - how do I understand your position? then I don't even know what to say.. I receive 200 thousand rubles and more, of my acquaintances, only some entrepreneurs (about 10 percent of the total) and bribe takers receive, the rest - well, if under 100... and there is nothing to say about acquaintances from the civil service, there are 30 thousand salaries there.. and at home you receive 250 thousand.. probably we are from different countries..
                      8. -1
                        1 August 2025 11: 58
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        if the second - they definitely didn't become rich from 10-30 thousand rubles in subsidies and it definitely won't be enough for apartments, so I didn't quite get your idea, because we're talking about a salary of 200 thousand rubles that the population receives en masse...

                        Let me explain - if you don't have OFFICIAL income (they don't have any!!!) - not a single bank in the country (and not even "Bystrodengi"!) will give you a penny in credit. Therefore, the cars, apartments (including in Bulgaria for their mother-in-law) and other vacations in Turkey that they bought are not loans/mortgages, but ordinary black/gray cash.
                        Subsidies - OFFICIALLY confirm that LEGALLYfor the state they BEGGARIES
                        And Rosstat - solemnly counts them among the 20 million poor belay
                        Is this statistic reliable - where M. Baghdasaryan, a neighbor with a Kamaz or a sewage worker and an old lady with a social worker sit together? Of course not...
                        And there are a lot of such people - not officially employed.
                        First, a person receives a subsidy and throws a tantrum when the administration tries not to give it to him - and a day later he registers a Chinese "Omoda" - which costs 4 million.

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        me for 200 thousand rubles and more, from my acquaintances, only some entrepreneurs (10 percent of the total

                        When the Federal Tax Service started to squeeze our small shopkeepers, and they started paying en masse with cards, it turned out that according to their declarations they indicated a turnover of 2-3 million per year, and through accounts the turnover was up to 7 million per month belay and the merchants suddenly stopped accepting cards - only cash.
                        My colleague's husband is a trade agent - frozen goods and sausages. We agreed with him and he brought us at wholesale prices - like in regular stores!! - ice cream, sausage, frozen fruit. His percentage for sales was increased - and we bought at a price of 40 to 60% (sausage) of the store price. And approximately in half from Magnit and Pyaterochka
                        That's why when entrepreneurs lie about "how little money they have from trade" - lol lol lol
                        Ask why you have sunflower from farmers and then go to the store and you will be surprised to see that the selling price of seeds is 3-4 times am higher, and the cost of all expenses for roasting and packaging is approximately 3 per ton. For example, sunflower seeds were 000-50 per ton, and packaged seeds were around 60-000 per ton.
                        And so it is in all trade.

                        They say Lukashenko once had a law - for working without registration, not only the organization was held accountable, but also the worker - for tax evasion. We have at least 10 million out of 20 "poor" - they would definitely go to jail...
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                        1 August 2025 13: 34
                        Quote: your1970
                        And there are a lot of such people - not officially employed.
                        First, a person receives a subsidy and throws a tantrum when the administration tries not to give it to him - and a day later he registers a Chinese "Omoda" - which costs 4 million.

                        yes, there are plenty of them.. but don't forget, I know many who are showing off - like I bought it, and then it turns out that they sold grandma's house and bought "Omoda".. or many buy it with the first payment under the SVO contract.. If you listen to me - buy a sewage truck and hundreds of thousands a month will come in.. maybe I should take this advice? laughing now, in the last year, only crazy or inadequate people take out a mortgage or preferential... rural 2% as far as I remember and now...
                        @When the Federal Tax Service started to squeeze our small shopkeepers, and they started paying en masse with cards, it turned out that according to their declarations they indicated a turnover of 2-3 million per year, and through accounts the turnover was up to 7 million per month.@
                        Well, stop exaggerating... 7 million a month is about 250 thousand rubles a day in turnover! VERY few small stores have that... only a few... it's actually 32 thousand rubles an hour... maybe only a grocery store and in a very busy place... BUT! They don't really throw money on a card in grocery stores... I haven't seen that in a long time, everything is through the cash register! And you, like many people who have nothing to do with business, don't understand the difference between turnover, income and profit... profit is often 5-10 percent of turnover? And in agriculture it's even less...
                        I don't know about the products, but the same doors - the markup is 15-20%
                        Quote: your1970
                        They say that Lukashenko once had a law - for working without registration, not only the organization was held criminally responsible, but also the worker - for tax evasion.

                        in reality, the majority now work as self-employed, the minority is already working underground... I repeat, without rejecting your words - the majority of small businesses have no more than 100 thousand rubles left after expenses... and all sorts of businessmen with sausage factories and packing sunflower seeds - they are already, consider, not small but medium-sized businesses - I'm not talking about them...
                        P.S. Let me remind you that initially - we are talking about the fact that young people don't have money to buy a house for 5-6 million, and what does this have to do with small entrepreneurs? I think they have enough... Let's put aside business altogether, let's hire workers - 40-60 thousand rubles on average salary... I saw an ad the other day - a chief specialist is needed for the city administration - 38 thousand rubles in hand...
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                        2 August 2025 13: 06
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        now, in the last year, only crazy or inadequate people take out a mortgage or preferential... rural 2% as far as I remember and now...

                        Now explain to me - where are all these people who are packed into Kuban and Stavropol - even if now Do people come to you after buying a home with a mortgage?
                        Let me remind you - 103 per month mortgage + 000 thousand per family per month. Do they rent out their wife to a stranger? How do people pay - if
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Let's take hired workers - 40-60 thousand rubles on average salary.
                        .
                        - but at the same time the cities are growing by leaps and bounds?
                        Opposite my son in Saratov the house was built 6 years ago - was not sold - the developer was suing the city. I started thinking about buying a two-room apartment for my son by selling his one-room apartment. + mortgage. Last year it was put up for sale - 5 one-room apartments 7 two-room apartments, without finishing. belay
                        It was completely sold out in 9 months, completely, and most of the apartments are already occupied.
                        Who are these people who have minimum 5.5 million?

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        I saw an ad the other day - a chief specialist is needed for the city administration - 38 thousand rubles in hand...
                        - the chief architect of the district has been hanging for 4 years at 40.
                        There are still 2 vacancies in the traffic police for 2 years + in the basement (1 for 1.5-) - young people come, work for up to six months and "Go to hell."
                        The traffic police are understaffed!!!!!!

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        I don't know about the products, but the same doors - the markup is 15-20%
                        belay belay lol lol I decided to change the interior doors, I need 9 pieces (8 standard and 1 - 70-ka) In Saratov in shops these new-fangled pressed ones cost 3-3.5-4. Kamaz costs 10. That is roughly +000 to the cost of 1 door.
                        We have these doors... ta-da-mm!! - from 5 to 7.5.
                        Can you imagine the volume of 9 doors in a KAMAZ? It's practically an empty KAMAZ!!!
                        I made an agreement with my neighbor lol - he'll go get the cargo, the son will pay, he'll come pick it up.
                        In total, he takes 1000 from me.
                        And now he remembers that traders buy these doors wholesale - that is, at least 500 rubles cheaper than retail
                        Wow 5- 3.1=1 from 900 door
                        - someone was talking about
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        markup 15-20%
                        - but it looks more like 45%. lol ...
                        Mushrooms are everywhere in the city 240-270, in Svetofor - where they get them - 120-170.

                        Our trade with a 15% markup would go bankrupt within a year - price hikes, fuel, laws and other things require a financial cushion of more than 100 rubles.
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                        2 August 2025 14: 16
                        Quote: your1970
                        Now explain to me - where are all these people who are packed into Kuban and Stavropol - if even now they are coming to you having bought housing with a mortgage?
                        Let me remind you - 103 per month mortgage + 000 thousand per family per month.

                        now, after the cancellation of mortgages at normal interest rates a year ago, there are almost no mortgage sales... they take cash... they sold housing in "Krasnoyarsk" and took it from us... but in general, about 40 thousand people have moved to the city over the past few years from Siberia and the Far East...
                        Quote: your1970
                        Wow 5-3.1=1 from 900 door

                        ok... let's estimate 1900 per door (although they exaggerated, so be it), 8 doors... total 22000 from one sale (with fittings) .. doors are not sold every day .. but ok .. let's say 20 times a month .. 22000 * 20 = 440 .. cool? well yeah... now let's do the math roughly .. 000 sellers + accountant immediately minus 2 on wages .. +150000 on taxes from their wages .. minus 75% tax if simplified, that is 6... plus rent 27360 thousand per month .. utilities 30 thousand .. warehouse, delivery, internet, 4C, cleaner, etc. - 1 thousand... advertising 25 thousand a month... all sorts of force majeure 15 thousand a month anyway.. total expenses about 5 thousand... the trader has 275000-150 thousand left.. seems cool.. but firstly.. now doors are selling very poorly - real estate is expensive.. in the best case 180 thousand remains as net profit, and secondly sometimes doors can be stolen, damaged, the car can get into an accident, there is also the off-season - when there are almost no sales at all.. something else.. and immediately the profit goes to zero.. total. For all the hemorrhoids of this business the trader gets 1-100 on average per year.. gigantic money? the same traffic police officer with bonuses gets 100 thousand a year on average, normal vacation, and plus he gets the same amount... well, he's honest, let's not talk about it... and he'll retire at 150 and have housing, etc... it's a moot point that it's better to sell doors right on your head - isn't it? a little better - maybe... but there are plenty of downsides too...
                        Quote: your1970
                        markup 15-20%

                        now let's calculate the real numbers... this is definitely not more than 20%.. I have a friend who sells doors, he has no reason to deceive me, moreover, I bought doors for myself directly from his supplier through him...
                        accordingly, in reality, it will not be 1900 from the door, but 1000-1200, and the profit from the store will accordingly not be 150 thousand, but somewhere in the region of 80-100 thousand out of 000 thousand... yes, a lot of the profit goes to expenses, and not "all in the pocket", as some people think..

                        Quote: your1970
                        Our trade with a 15% markup would go bankrupt within a year - price hikes, fuel, laws and other things require a financial cushion of more than 100 rubles.

                        so I can only say about doors and plumbing.. with a small profit for the last couple of years.. but in general OZON, Magnit, WB are taking down a lot of people.. their sales are often by purchase, by which they take small ones.. there are already a sea of small traders that have closed down... and I'm sure they will close down again.. so you're wrong to think that small business is now in "chocolate".. For example, a classmate closed a store this year - he sold/built swimming pools in individual housing construction.. - few orders - wild purchases.. and he went into government service again.. that's how sweet life is for small businesses these days... well, someone may be raking in the dough.. but they are a minority..
                      12. 0
                        2 August 2025 23: 55
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        They take it for cash. They sold the housing in "Krasnoyarsk" and took it from us.

                        yeah-yeah, for that you need to buy it in Krasnoyarsk, and at a price no less than yours.Now the question is: where do they get the money from those who buy apartments in Krasnoyarsk from those who come to you?
                        and again we run into the question - where does the money come from if everyone is supposedly poor???
                        Let me remind you that bribe takers and the like have been living in cottages for a long time now and they don’t need a mortgage.

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        2 sellers + accountant immediately minus 150000 on salary.. +75 on taxes from their salary.. minus 6% tax if simplified, that is 27360... plus rent of 30 thousand per month
                        - we throw it out boldly, none of this is there - relatives trade, their own stores, no trader keeps accountants on staff - there are several people in the city working for everyone on one-time orders
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Doors are selling very poorly now - real estate is worth...
                        - nevertheless, people are changing doors very actively - judging by the trash cans. For those selling apartments, there is nowhere to go - people immediately point their fingers at them, "Ugh, dirty doors"

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        the same traffic police officer with bonuses gets 75 thousand a year on average, normal vacation, and plus he gets the same amount... oh well, he's honest, let's not talk about it... and a pension of 45 and housing, etc.
                        -
                        Welcome-
                        Quote: your1970
                        There are still 2 vacancies in the traffic police for 2 years + in the basement (1 for 1.5-) - young people come, work for up to six months and "Go to hell."
                        The traffic police are understaffed!!!!!!

                        but I'm more amused by the basement - a brat who came now can retire in 15 years - as much as 5 years later than me am -I'll be 70, and he'll be 35. Well, there aren't even any people willing to go there.

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        accordingly, in reality from the door it will not be 1900, but 1000-1200
                        - I gave you absolutely real figures with prices here and in Saratov RETAIL- wholesale, you understand that there is a discount.

                        I forgot roofing screws - colored ones from 3 rubles each, in Saratov when buying kg - it comes out to 0,4-06 rubles per piece.

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        and in general OZONE, Magnit, WB are a big hit for many.
                        - of course - if you take and put 3 prices for trousers, 2 prices for jackets, 2 prices for belts, 4 am prices for good ones feel socks for diabetics - it's clear that everyone is running to Wildberries
                      13. 0
                        3 August 2025 06: 41
                        Quote: your1970
                        Now the question is: where do they get the money from those who buy apartments in Krasnoyarsk from those who come to you?

                        My personal opinion is that the Soviet legacy is mainly when housing was given to parents for free... and when mortgages were normal to a lesser extent... almost all my friends, one way or another, got housing with the help of their ancestors...

                        Quote: your1970
                        - we throw it out boldly, none of this is there - relatives trade, their own stores, no trader keeps accountants on staff - there are several people in the city working for everyone on one-time orders

                        one question.. if it's so easy to earn hundreds of thousands - why isn't the whole country entrepreneurs? lazy? well then let them not complain...
                        Quote: your1970
                        - Nevertheless, people, judging by the trash cans, are changing doors very actively.

                        I don't know about trash cans, but housing sales have fallen - is it a fact? So it's a fact that door sales have fallen as a result...
                        Quote: your1970
                        Welcome-

                        again to the same thing... lazy then.. or, as usual, want everything at once...
                        We don't have any shortages, for example, at the traffic police...
                        Quote: your1970
                        - I have given you absolutely real figures with prices here and in Saratov in RETAIL-wholesale, you understand the presence of a discount.

                        once again about why then not everyone is in the door trade, if it’s so chic - your options - stupid or lazy?
                        Quote: your1970
                        - of course - if you take and put 3 prices for trousers, 2 prices for jackets, 2 prices for belts, 4 prices for good socks for diabetics - it's clear as day that everyone runs to Wildberries

                        Waddberries earns the same, but there are no expenses for renting stores, sellers, etc. As a result, the uncle in Moscow has money, the locals bake bubu... whether this is good or bad is a separate question...
                      14. 0
                        3 August 2025 11: 46
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        My personal opinion is that the Soviet legacy is mainly when housing was given to parents for free... and when mortgages were normal to a lesser extent... almost all my friends, one way or another, got housing with the help of their ancestors

                        You forget about the beginning of the chain and the fact that those who had Soviet housing in decent cities do not come to you, they come to you from the world's experience - where Soviet housing costs at least 2 times less than yours.
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        I don't know about trash cans, but housing sales have fallen - is it a fact? So it's a fact that door sales have fallen as a result...
                        look there by the way waves it happens - doors, furniture, equipment, linoleum, laminate. It is very noticeable - when people start repairs mass
                      15. 0
                        3 August 2025 12: 19
                        Quote: your1970
                        You forget about the beginning of the chain and that those who had Soviet housing in decent cities do not come to you, they come to you from the experience of the world - where Soviet housing costs 2 times less than yours

                        I look at the locals... those I've known for decades... they all invest their grandmother's/parents' inheritance... they come to us stupid people who didn't have enough for housing in Krasnodar and Moscow... buy one, but live? 81 region by income out of 85 Stavropol...
                        Quote: your1970
                        By the way, look, there are waves there - doors, furniture, equipment, linoleum, laminate.

                        You are wrong.. now everything - both construction and renovation are going through hard times.. just less sales - less money.. it's stupid to argue.. well and my favorite suggestion - if it's so sweet to be an individual entrepreneur - then go there or are you too lazy to earn a hundred thousand millions and enjoy life? laughing
                      16. 0
                        3 August 2025 12: 36
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        stupid people come to us who don't have enough money for housing in Krasnodar and Moscow... buy one, but live there? 81st region by income out of 85 Stavropol...

                        Stupid people in such volumes? Well, well...
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        now everything - both construction and renovation are going through hard times... just fewer sales - less money...
                        I pass by 4 trash cans. When there is a lull, there are 1-2-3 doors, but now since spring there are 3-5 on each.
                        It’s not much, roughly 10 doors, but they come with a set of Volma, wallpaper, and laminate.
                        New building is a bunch of doors at once and 0 (zero!) in a year - 3-5. And repairs of old houses and apartments go on all year round
            3. 0
              31 July 2025 14: 26
              Musk - 6, Abramovich - 8, Potanin - 5, Trump - 5, etc...

              They are great guys, of course, but they often gave birth to children from different wives. For example, Trump from three. That's why the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation calculates based on women.
              1. 0
                31 July 2025 16: 36
                Quote: Guest
                They are great guys, of course, but they often gave birth to children from different wives. For example, Trump from three. That's why the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation calculates based on women.

                you know.. even from 4, it's even more difficult for a man financially.. the point is that if he has money, a man makes a lot of children.. in the text, besides, it is not indicated whether the ex-wives had other children from other people hi
                1. -1
                  31 July 2025 17: 48
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  did the ex-wives have other children from other people

                  Specifically regarding Trump - his wives had children only from him. As for the others, you can look for information yourself if you want.
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  even from 4, it is even more difficult for a man financially.. the point is that if he has money, a man makes many children

                  far from a fact, they are just known to everyone. That's why they are on everyone's lips

                  a) this means that there are probably some unknown, since not rich, conditional Vasya or John, who, let's say, got 7 children from 15 women. without formalizing all this officially. I'm pulling numbers out of thin air
                  No matter what they say, this can't happen - here's a specific example - 30 children from different women
                  https://www.mentoday.ru/heroes/ordinary-heroes/30-detei-ot-12-jenshchin-kak-jivet-mnogojenec-ivan-suhov-o-kotorom-vse-govoryat
                  b) since the TFR is less than 2, then several other men had one or no children at all. Since he has 5
                  1. 0
                    31 July 2025 18: 47
                    Quote: Guest
                    this means that it is possible that there are some unknown, since not rich, conditional Vasya or John, who, let's say, had 7 children from 15 women.

                    it could well be.. and the person from the link is a marginal.. and at the same time says that he has no problems with finances.. i.e. confirms the need for finances for such "feats"..
                    Quote: Guest
                    since the TFR is less than 2, several other men had one or no children

                    Well, we're not talking about the ICR, but about the dependence of the desire to have children on financial well-being.
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    2. -3
      30 July 2025 20: 03
      Quote: Sergeant
      A good baby stroller costs about 100 rubles.

      Quote: Sergeant
      And I WANT TO have a car, go on vacation, do repairs, etc., etc.

      If there's no I want to - then a salary of 0.5-1 million will not be enough - you will just want a car, a Gelendvagen, not to Turkey but to the Maldives for a month, repairs not in an apartment but in a cottage of 300 sq.m.
      That's why the formula "I want children" and "I want
      Quote: Sergeant
      have a car, go on vacation, do repairs, etc., etc.
      " - do not fit together
      You or Do you want to have a child with your wife? or want to relax/repair/car
      1. +2
        31 July 2025 05: 23
        Don't you admit that young parents can live not only in cities and a car is a means of transportation for them, not a show-off? And they don't even need Türkiye, Gelendzhik would be enough.
        What you wrote is stupid, honestly.
  13. + 10
    30 July 2025 08: 15
    Minus a year at school, minus a year at the institute... I think I know what will happen in the end - ordinary people in Russia will become even more knowledgeable about education, medicine, politics and even more about dumography.
    1. +6
      30 July 2025 08: 57
      Only a select few will understand "politics", and mere mortals will not be allowed in.
    2. +1
      30 July 2025 13: 05
      in the end it will be at least no worse. many children in the 11th grade are already fooling around instead of studying. and then someone would start working or get an education in a specific specialty. they will reduce it to 10 grades at the expense of elementary school. everyone cites that in Soviet times there was better education, and there were exactly 8-10 years ...
  14. +7
    30 July 2025 08: 36
    I didn't understand the article. It's a statement of a number of well-known points. There are no results, no conclusions, no recommendations on how to overcome the problems either.
    The ending surprised me:
    why higher education is required, a eh.

    Is it unfinished? Cut off? Why publish it then?
  15. -2
    30 July 2025 08: 38
    Trends, however. How to fight for demography.
    Or maybe, when people reach 18, they should take away all their phones, deprive them of internet access, and conscript everyone into a labor camp for 2 years, where they’ll also turn off the lights at night?
    And they will learn to work with their hands, and I am sure many of them will have children before demobilization. Not three at a time, of course, but one at a time, or even two - easily!
    Oh, I forgot, for selfishness there should be a childlessness tax. In Soviet times I paid 25 rubles (that was quite a lot), but when my daughter was born, that tax was abolished for everyone.
  16. +6
    30 July 2025 08: 51
    . in our country, as in all developed countries, several factors came together at once: citizens live longer and better

    Longer and better than whom? The Russian Federation ranks approximately 110-120 in the world rankings for life expectancy. This is below the world average. So is it worth bragging about?

    If Fedorov compares "longer and better" compared to the USSR. Then, this is also doubtful. In the sense that it is better. But life expectancy is slightly higher than in the USSR. But even in Ukraine people live longer now than in the USSR! This is a global trend. Modern technologies and medicine, the standard of living... make people's lives on (the whole) Earth longer.
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  17. +7
    30 July 2025 09: 23
    Well, in principle, regarding what is happening in the processes of education, medical care, and birth rate, I can quote a number of political figures from one state that existed not so long ago...
    The Slavs must work for us. To the extent that we do not need them, they can die out. Therefore, compulsory vaccinations and medical care by the Germans are superfluous. Reproduction of the Slavs is undesirable. They can use contraceptives and have abortions, and the more the better. Education is dangerous. It is enough for them to be able to count to a hundred. At best, education that prepares useful puppets for us is acceptable.

    (c) Martin Borman
    Limit the education of the Slavs to "counting to 500", writing their name and knowledge of "God's law". Reading skills are unnecessary.

    (c)Heinrich Himmler
    It is necessary to reduce the Slavs to sign language. No hygiene, no vaccinations. Only vodka and tobacco. Preventing the development of Slavic races is one of the main tasks of the German state

    (c) Adolf Hitler

    It seems to me that our current government largely follows these simple postulates. I don’t know why and for what reason.
    Free medicine has essentially been destroyed.
    I sincerely do not understand how it is possible to get help at a clinic. It is a very difficult quest. I need to see an ENT specialist. I need to make an appointment with a general practitioner so that he can give me a referral to a specialist. The appointment with a general practitioner is scheduled 2 weeks in advance, I need to go to the website and catch an opening at 7 am for 2 weeks in advance. Let's say I made an appointment. I went to the general practitioner, he gave me a referral. Now I need to catch an ENT appointment at the same 7 am. Let's say I caught it. He gives me a referral for tests and an X-ray. This is a separate quest, which takes several more days, or even weeks. Then I need to catch an ENT appointment again for a follow-up appointment. In the end, this takes up to a month. You will either have time to die from sinusitis/frontal sinusitis before the diagnosis is made and treatment is prescribed, or it will go away on its own.
    Why do you go to a private clinic where they do all the tests, x-rays, diagnose you and prescribe treatment in half a day?

    Education... I don't even want to comment. The fact that you are taught to pass endless tests, and not knowledge, is half the trouble. Your education now becomes obsolete even in the process of receiving it. The overwhelming majority of graduates are incompetent in what they studied. They need to be retrained/retrained. At the same time, the requirements for the employer of most graduates are inadequately high.
    Provide me with a salary of 150K, insurance, lunch at the office's expense, flexible work schedule, etc. Yes, I don't know anything and can't do anything, but I have a DIPLOMA!

    An important clarification: I am a Muscovite.
    IMHO, we ourselves are to blame for all this. With our attitude towards children, our attitude towards the authorities, our indifference...
    "I'm a small man, nothing depends on me, there are smart guys in high offices, they know everything, so let them solve the problems, and I'll grumble on the Internet..."

    Everyone on the Internet is criticizing the pension "reform". Oh-oh-oh, we've been robbed!
    But damn, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation organized protests, rallies. In Moscow with a population of 15 million, 5-10 thousand people came to rallies. When Yegor Sviridov was killed and the authorities tried to turn a blind eye to ethnic crime by letting the killers go, about 50 thousand people came to the rally and the authorities got really tense about it! And all the participants were immediately arrested and sentenced to 5 to 20 years.

    And when the people sit with their tongues in one place, then why should the authorities worry? They tolerate it? That's great. We'll tighten the screws here too.
    1. +4
      30 July 2025 10: 38
      Regarding medicine. I am in the same situation, before the gastroenterologist I had to visit a therapist. And I also have a gastroendoscopy in six months, that's four visits to the clinic. Therapist, blood test, therapist again, gastroendoscopy itself, and only then with it again to the gastroenterologist. Is it paid? So the price tag for an appointment with a specialist immediately scares off those who "just need to get sick".
      Current free medicine is built on the principles of technical support, that is, the therapist is the 1st line, specialists are the 2nd, and so on.
      But on the other hand... It's about 2000, our colleague, a girl, is telling us about her visits to the doctor. She didn't say what she was being treated for, but she did say how. The doctor suspected something and sent her for a hormone test. She came to the clinic at 8 in the morning. And there, pensioners from the 6th line are lining up and bragging to each other about who they got tickets for. According to her, she was just pushing her way to the registration window saying, "You old purses, you'll soon be in the grave, and I still have to give birth!!!"
  18. +2
    30 July 2025 09: 33
    So, a less educated wife will earn less money, at least before marriage. That is, the dowry is smaller. And is a husband alone able to provide the marriage minimum in today's reality - buying a home and feeding his wife and children? On average?
  19. +4
    30 July 2025 09: 46
    What is a good groom:
    Earlier:
    "What more am I writing to you?"
    Now:
    So as not to drink
    Didn't smoke
    So that he always gives flowers
    To give the salary
    Called his mother-in-law mom
    To be indifferent to toys
    And he's not averse to company
    And besides, that he
    He was handsome and he was smart
    This is requirement #2.
    Requirement #1. Money, wealth. For this, the lack of merits from requirement #2 will be forgiven.
    As sociological surveys show, 95% of women aged 16 to... there is no upper limit dream of marrying a young, handsome, smart, rich, or at least promising man. There are such people in our society... well, 1% at most :(
    And until you change this, you won’t succeed with demographics.
    1. + 13
      30 July 2025 10: 11
      Quote: Not the fighter
      What is a good groom:

      What is an ideal citizen in the eyes of the country's elite:
      Drives a Lada Granta
      Has a one-room apartment with a 50-year mortgage
      Earns slightly above the minimum wage
      Not sick and vaccinated against COVID
      Submitted biometrics
      The phone only has State Services, VK and the MAX messenger
      Watches TV, without fail Kiseleva, Solovyova, Skabeeva and Sheina.
      Spends vacation in Syktyvkar or Syzran
      Listens to Shaman and/or Gazmanov and/or LUBE
      Goes to church
      He goes to all the polls, voting for United Russia and Putin.
      Dies at 65.
      1. +3
        30 July 2025 10: 17
        There are doubts about the last point. recourse Not too optimistic?
      2. +6
        30 July 2025 10: 27
        Drives a Lada Granta

        You forgot to add the phrase "purchased on car credit".
        I recently read on the Internet that in order to save our automobile industry, "we need to increase the financial literacy of the population so that they understand the benefits of car loans."
      3. -6
        30 July 2025 10: 40
        You're annoying me by trying to put the president everywhere.
        You smoke, you jerk off, you're not married? It's Putin's fault!
        1. + 10
          30 July 2025 10: 53
          Quote: nznz
          This is Putin's fault!

          Hmm.. Where did I mention him in my message?
          Well, it is common knowledge that the leader in our country is solely responsible for the positive.
          He pulled the country out in the 10s. He took Crimea from the Ukrops. He raised maternity capital or pensions. He paid XNUMXK during the pandemic. And so on.
          But everything bad is Britain, the USA, the government, the State Duma, the Central Bank, regional authorities, etc.
          Millions of savages were brought in - oligarchs at the instigation of the British! The economy is in the ass - the Central Bank, bureaucrats and the USA! Education was wasted - that's the Ministry of Education! Our gold and foreign currency reserves were stolen - the Central Bank! Medicine has fallen apart - the Ministry of Health! The police are 200K short - the Ministry of Internal Affairs! Etc.
          He has nothing to do with it. He is a total positive person)
          1. 0
            30 July 2025 12: 13
            How many children do you have and what ages are they?
          2. +5
            30 July 2025 13: 12
            Once I read in a book: - Well, yes, well, yes. It's Obama who comes quietly and pees in our entryways... It was very funny then. And judging by the current TV agenda, that's how it turns out ))))
  20. + 10
    30 July 2025 10: 50
    The current government has started to optimize medicine, education, production, etc. They can't even understand that the people in such conditions will automatically optimize.
  21. +2
    30 July 2025 10: 55
    the shortage of teachers with a reduction in the workload in the ten-year school will be significantly reduced.

    I didn't understand this recourse How does the teacher shortage depend on the school curriculum?
    Why stretch out over six years something that can be painlessly packed into five years?

    If we are talking about "providing an educational service" for money, then the answer is obvious - sell more of the service, measured in time.
    In this regard, attempts to reduce the period of free education by increasing the period of subsequent paid education turn out to be not a concern for demographics, but simply the stinginess of the capitalist education system.
  22. -2
    30 July 2025 11: 22
    When are we going to ban chess and shoot down existing Buddha statues with Grad rockets?
    1. +1
      30 July 2025 13: 19
      Chess will not be banned. Recently Kadyrov beat the Chechen Minister of Sports at chess.
      And also, my eldest son!
      1. -2
        30 July 2025 13: 41
        Really? It's strange that the newspapers didn't write about this great sporting achievement.
        1. 0
          30 July 2025 14: 31
          It's written here).
          https://www.rbc.ru/sport/29/07/2025/688904ee9a7947e825b9f495
          1. -2
            30 July 2025 17: 07
            Thank you hi "" ""
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  23. +3
    30 July 2025 11: 25
    Let's break the problem down into its main blocks:
    1. A personnel catastrophe at the secondary education level. The situation is such that about 90% of schoolchildren begin the path of intellectual degradation already from the fifth grade. The main method of intellectual activity is a request to AI, the main method of passing control is cheating. Compare the "toilet sheets" (a sheet for leaving the classroom during an exam) now and five years ago. Previously, they did not fill out even one sheet completely. Now two sheets are completely filled out. Doubling the time for copying from paper media in toilets.
    The current system produces intellectually disabled people at the exit.
    The main reason is gadget addiction. When opium was sold to the Chinese, they also saw nothing wrong with this method of meditation, and the results of direct access to the astral plane were obvious.
    It later turned out that drugs are evil.
    We are now in the situation of China during the Opium Wars. Only we have gambling addiction instead of opium. But the result is similar.
    And I don't see any simple methods to solve this problem. Despite my vast experience and three higher educations.
    So, I can identify the problem, show the key vulnerability, but there are no solutions at the organizational level - sorry, there are no options.
    As auxiliary actions:
    - Allowing children to use gadgets as late as possible. (Unrealistic in 90% of families).
    - Division of schools by level of motivation.
    - Reduction of the course for gadget addicts.
    2. Demography itself.
    Prohibitory measures will raise the birth rate of the least backward strata of the population. Pushkins and Mendeleyevs will not start multiplying sharply because of this.
    So the approach should be this - support the best. Don't miss the brain drain abroad, for starters. Respect your own intellectuals.
    Don't despise work.
    3. Regarding higher education. In my opinion, here we need to give smart young people the opportunity to get the specialty they are interested in as quickly as possible. And not limit access to information from the Internet. There are a hell of a lot of training courses on YouTube.
    How to leave behind the classic monsters: medical and engineering universities, MIPT, Baumanka, Stankin, and a dozen universities.
    In other cases, we must admit that 90% of education is self-education.

    Sincerely.
  24. +3
    30 July 2025 11: 40
    Today on the website of Vladimir State University I read the news about the increase in tuition fees from September 1 by 21%, this is a very "worthy" measure to support families and birth rates, especially for the indigenous Russian population.
    Caucasians, Crimeans, LPR and DPR are receiving budget funds???
  25. +1
    30 July 2025 12: 53
    The first thing is your own housing, a person starts with housing, so it should be like this - 18 years old - a person receives rental housing, a single person gets a studio apartment, a family of 2 people gets a 1-room apartment. This is rental state housing, it cannot be privatized or rented out, you can only live there until you buy your own, and as soon as you buy your own, you are obliged to vacate the rental apartment. Payment only for utilities. Such housing should be provided in 20-30 regional centers except Moscow.
    The problem is that there is a big time gap between the desire and the ability to start a family precisely because of housing. To buy your own, even with a mortgage, you need to work somewhere, and for this you need to get an education and work for another 2-3 years to master a specialty, this is somewhere around 30 years old. 12 years are lost, and it is necessary to make sure that during these 12 years a family has already been created and there are children in it. That is, support from the state is needed precisely during a certain period, from 18 to 30 years old, until the time when the family gets on its feet and can provide for itself. This means that from 18 to 30 years old it is necessary not only to provide temporary housing, but also to provide for children, if there are any, a monthly allowance in the amount of the subsistence minimum for each.
    1. -1
      30 July 2025 13: 46
      Quote from gribanow.c
      This is rented state housing, it cannot be privatized or rented out, you can only live there until you buy your own, and as soon as you buy your own, you are obliged to vacate the rented apartment. You only pay for utilities.

      so no one will buy anything - so they gave it anyway.. laughing
      Quote from gribanow.c
      This means that from 18 to 30 years old, it is necessary not only to provide temporary housing, but also to provide a monthly allowance for children, if there are any, in the amount of the subsistence minimum for each.

      we don't even need any of this... just give it to the young people who don't have a home, once in a lifetime mortgage at 0-5% and that's it... the rest is optional...
      1. -1
        30 July 2025 15: 20
        In our reality, by the age of 30, a person barely reaches “self-sufficiency”, that is, he begins to earn a little more than enough to feed himself and pay for rented housing in his profession, which he received between the ages of 18 and 25. laughing
        1. -1
          30 July 2025 15: 25
          Quote from gribanow.c
          In our reality, by the age of 30, a person barely reaches “self-sufficiency”, that is, he begins to earn a little more than enough to feed himself and pay for rented housing in his profession, which he received between the ages of 18 and 25.

          that's true.. I'm like that myself.. at 45 - I finished building a house.. before that - in a rented apartment.. I started earning something substantial after 35.. and here they offered me - to make three at once, and then everything else.. aha.. through an inheritance "from an uncle" perhaps.. but there is no inheritance in the future, and there never was laughing
          1. 0
            30 July 2025 16: 48
            So, in order to eliminate this discrepancy between desire and possibilities, in creating a family, at the age when it is natural and necessary, from 18 to 30 years old, at this age the family, as soon as it is created, must be provided with basic minimum housing and provision of a living wage for children if there are any, not for the parents but specifically for the children. Even if this is a family of students and by the age of 23-25 they are barely starting to look for their first job, but if this is a family with children, a minimum standard of living must be provided.
            By the age of 30, parents will start earning enough and the children will grow up, and everything will fall into place and support will no longer be needed. In my opinion, this is a reasonable government approach.
  26. +3
    30 July 2025 13: 13
    There is another very serious reason for the reluctance to start a family and have children. And, unfortunately, this reason prevails precisely in the environment that we conventionally call the "middle class". These are educated young people who have found or are aiming to find their place in a serious profession, and not shout "Free cash register!" Even being patriotic, they have critical thinking and judge by deeds, not by slogans. This reason is called - the creeping Islamization of the country and replacement migration. I know from my own experience and from the experience of many of my acquaintances who have grown-up children from this category, that their main reason for refusing to have many children is a lack of faith in changes for the better. The fight against corruption is going on with varying success (one might say, it is marking time). Migration policy - words, words, words ... and rare showy events aimed not at correcting the situation, but at "letting off steam". As a result, the child says one day: "Dad, I don't believe in this country. The laws don't work, everything can be "solved". Theft, corruption, kishlakization. I don't want such a future for my children. If I give birth, it won't be in Russia...". And what can you say in response? Inviting patriotic slogans don't work on them due to their critical thinking. The existing incentive tools (maternity capital, etc.) are not an incentive at all for an active, educated and intelligent person. And there is nothing else...
  27. +3
    30 July 2025 13: 22
    There is another very serious reason for the reluctance to start a family and have children. And, unfortunately, this reason prevails in the environment that we conventionally call the "middle class". These are educated young people who have found or are aiming to find their place in a serious profession, and not shout "Free cash register!" until old age. It is this stratum that should be the basis of the country's future, but... Even being patriotically minded, they have critical thinking and judge by deeds, not by slogans. This reason is called the creeping Islamization of the country and replacement migration. I know from my own experience and from the experience of many of my acquaintances who have grown-up children from this category, that their main reason for refusing to have many children is a lack of faith in changes for the better. The fight against corruption is going on with varying success (one might say, it is marking time). Migration policy - words, words, words... and rare showy events aimed not at correcting the situation, but at "letting off steam". As a result, the child says one day: "Dad, I don't believe in this country. The laws don't work, everything can be "solved". Theft, corruption, permissiveness of various diasporas, kishlakization. I don't want such a future for my children. If I give birth, it will not be in Russia...". And what can you say in response? Inviting patriotic slogans do not work on them due to their still existing critical thinking. The existing incentive tools (maternity capital, etc.) are not an incentive at all for an active, educated and intelligent person. And there is nothing else... As a result, we have not only a decrease in the birth rate, but also an outflow of "brains" abroad.
  28. +1
    30 July 2025 14: 03
    If you justify the absence of a family and children with material difficulties, you will remain alone, never marry and never become fathers. It was harder for our parents, I won't even mention our great-grandfathers. But you and I live, we were born, and we have no right to betray our ancestors and allow our family to fade away.
    1. 0
      30 July 2025 14: 42
      But you and I live, we were born, and we have no right to betray our ancestors and allow our family to fade away.

      the human race, unfortunately, cannot reproduce by division, parthenogenesis: a second participant is needed, and we have said practically not a word about the “second”...
      1. 0
        30 July 2025 17: 08
        Is it such a problem to find a second participant in the continuation of the family? There is exactly one for each of ours, if anything. That's how Nature has provided for everything to be equal. laughing
    2. 0
      30 July 2025 14: 54
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      It was harder for our parents, I won’t even mention our great-grandfathers.

      It's harder. But they saw the future, they had a desire for a better life, they KNEW that their children would live better than they did.
      In the current paradigm of the country’s development, the overwhelming majority of its citizens do not have such confidence.
      And by the way, those who have no financial problems and that same confidence in a bright future for their children give birth quite well. The Solovyovs, Abramovichs, Peskovs, Timur Ivanovs, etc.
  29. 0
    30 July 2025 14: 22
    A couple of thoughts out loud about education. In the US/Europe, secondary school is 12 years and subjectively the level is not very high, in any case, the entire first year at university they study mathematics and physics at the level of a Russian school, I solved the same problems without exaggeration by the hundreds in the 9th-10th grade. + endless essays, although there is a nuance here, we are not talking about writing "how I spent my summer", they train you to write essays, that is, they get used to the habit of briefly (300-500 words maximum), clearly and in a standard (3-5 paragraphs) expressing your thoughts. In principle, a useful thing. The remaining 3 (out of 4 in the bachelor's degree) years are also relaxed, to be honest. Many newcomers were shocked - no need for essays. Higher education is either completely free (for example, in Scandinavians), or a symbolic fee (200-500 euros) for most Europeans (the southerners have a bit of a problem, the Spanish seem to pay several thousand a year, combined with not the highest salaries, university is no longer for everyone). Americans with their higher education for 50-100 thousand a year stand apart (probably that's why people in those places are more active in mastering blue-collar jobs), but in general, in the West, any blockhead can get a diploma. It's much more difficult with a master's degree, there is a rather strict selection process, through the eye of a needle of which not everyone passes.

    The systems are actually very different, I'm not even sure if it made sense to "adopt best practices". This is without even touching on the mentality. I remember my classmates, in the 10th grade they were quite formed people, yes, still inexperienced and naive, but the guys were fine, thinking maturely. In my opinion, the development of European schoolchildren stopped at the level of a 13-14 year old teenager and then went slooooowly until a spurt somewhere after 20-22. God knows why this is. The only thing that needs to be added is that there was much less aggression. Until the 8th or 9th grade, we fought constantly behind the greenhouse near the school. 1 on 1 sometimes in the corridor, crowd against crowd behind the greenhouse and neighborhood against neighborhood on the outskirts by the lake. In Europe, I have never seen fights in schools, in the US, judging by the news, they prefer to shoot. In addition to horizontal relations, there is also a vertical one. I remember a clear division between ordinary children and individuals who could curse teachers and do other things, even the labor and physical education teachers could not bring them to their senses. In the West, it was somehow more equal, at least. But the conversation was almost on equal terms with adults, without attacks of course, but they were not afraid to defend their opinion, and everyone around perceived this as the norm, without condescending disdain and without challenging authority. I remember in the 8th grade, one girl corrected our "German", there was a huge scandal, how dare you, you worthless thing, and all that stuff

    My life experience tells me that the Soviet/Russian version gives/gave knowledge in large volumes and this knowledge was literally hammered into memory by repetition. There were problems with the other one. For example, from the age of 14-15, schoolchildren were taught to work in the summer, anywhere and as anyone. In principle, they were of zero use to the employer (see my thoughts above about the quality of knowledge in the European school), but forming a habit of not being idle and the skill of looking for this very job is very commendable from my point of view. Well, it clearly shows the common truths - except for caring for municipal cemeteries, selling ice cream in kiosks and cleaning toilets, all jobs were, excuse me, by connections. Dad will put in a good word for the boss and HR will look at your SV, and by the time you enter university you will have on paper 1-1,5 work experience in a pasta manufacturing company. Welcome to reality, it is not what you know that matters here, but who you know. It is more important not to be, but to seem. Understanding this simple fact at 15 years old, and not at 25, makes the life of an ordinary European schoolchild much easier, compared to a Russian one.
  30. 0
    30 July 2025 15: 08
    so no one will buy anything - so they gave it anyway..

    This is basic housing, rental apartments should only be studios and 1-room. Those who want their own housing of a larger area will buy it and immediately start saving for it, for the down payment, etc. Well, and those who can't or don't want to, let them live there.
    Doctors, teachers and university lecturers can and should be given departmental housing based on the area per family member. The rest, in theory, should earn it themselves, the state will provide them with only basic housing.
    Employers - large factories - can build departmental housing for workers (and this practice already exists)
  31. 0
    30 July 2025 15: 22
    Serious topic. By animal nature, people are ready to reproduce at 12 years old. But it's a pity for the little ones. Civilization has pushed "adulthood" back to 16-18 years old and even to 21 years old.

    Those who remained faithful to NATURE will inherit this planet. For Rus', "Seven-I" is a minimum of 5 CHILDREN and also mom + dad. And this is on AVERAGE! Neither people nor the state can handle this. You can shout and swear, put forward theories, but the fact is that we are the LEAVING...
  32. +1
    30 July 2025 15: 28
    Free housing, good salary (at world prices) and confidence in the future. This is the formula for success and everything will be. True, in 20-25 years, because the children need to grow up. Roughly speaking, if you want them to have children, at least forgive the mortgage and pay decently. Where is this? What are we talking about then.
    1. 0
      30 July 2025 17: 14
      Our parents gave birth to us in their parents' Khrushchev-era apartments, and the salary wasn't that great either. We waited a long time for our own apartments, and I only moved into my own room with my parents when I was 8, a separate room, where I still live, and where I plan to die someday, because I'm completely incapable of buying an apartment under capitalism.
      1. 0
        31 July 2025 00: 10
        That's why there were one or two children in families, three at most, but that's not often anymore. I'm from a Khrushchev-era building. We gave birth - a lot in villages and urban-type settlements, which have now gone under. In principle, there's no point in talking about the past (too many different factors influenced the demographics). At the moment, young families need housing and money for childbearing more than any ideas. That's a fact, and dreams and memories are empty - they won't lead to anything.
  33. 0
    30 July 2025 17: 09
    Maybe in the future, children will be from a test tube, embryos will be grown outside of humans, and then until adulthood they will be raised in special homes, and as many as are needed according to the plan, that's how many there will be, even a million a year.
  34. 0
    30 July 2025 19: 01
    Everyone from the cities should go to the village. And let them work on their land. There have always been large families in villages, anywhere on Earth. That's a fact.
    1. +1
      31 July 2025 08: 27
      And what is there to do in the village - dig a vegetable garden with a shovel? At one of my jobs I had colleagues from the villages, I asked if they kept chickens, sheep, etc. No, they said they used to (in the nineties, in the noughties), but now they have abandoned it, it is unprofitable, a lot of fuss, it is easier to go to the store.
  35. bar
    0
    30 July 2025 19: 06
    Quote: FIR FIR
    But I don’t want my children to have their fill and work like galley slaves.

    A fresh thought. From the series "better to be rich and healthy than poor and in prison." But that wasn't what the conversation was about. Too bad you didn't understand.
  36. +1
    30 July 2025 20: 43
    Our great-great-grandmothers gave birth primarily for the sake of additional labor, but now children in the family, on the contrary, require serious investments.
    Well, it's not all that straightforward. For a small family of that time, one goat would be enough, but for a large family, one cow would not be enough. The question is that parents had the opportunity to raise their children to the standards of that time.
  37. 0
    30 July 2025 20: 56
    The responsibility does not lie with the teachers. First of all, it lies with the parents who do not take care of their children.
  38. 0
    30 July 2025 21: 28
    In the USSR, we had specific work with metal and wood in our labor classes, there were lathes. Now they do some kind of nonsense, glue something out of paper, education in modern Russia is degrading. What is the point in reducing the castrated not in duration, but in content of the training program - they will definitely not be ready to work in production anymore.
    1. 0
      31 July 2025 09: 23
      Quote: 123_123
      In the USSR, in our labor classes, there were specific jobs with metal and wood, there were lathes. Now they do some kind of nonsense, glue something out of paper, education in modern Russia is degrading.

      Well, I made a pointer on a lathe at school and a stool for labor. Do you think that was what gave me the main basis for my education? If it were vocational school, then maybe, but for school, labor lessons are definitely not the basis of education.
  39. 0
    31 July 2025 06: 11
    To achieve an increase in the birth rate, it is necessary to take into account the psychology of youth. In youth, this is the desire to gain independence from parents, to live separately from them. It may be attractive to provide a young couple who have entered into marriage with the keys to a room in a family dormitory. Then, after the birth of a child, the family could enter into a preferential mortgage.
    How do young people see their life prospects? For some young people, getting a free higher education is a chance to leave the country, for others - a chance to start their own business. Therefore, it would be effective to provide families with 3 children with at least assistance in creating a family business: preferential rent of premises, state training, consulting and support. That is, the point is that young people with families do not rush for higher education for the sake of the distant future, but immediately enter into business.
  40. 0
    31 July 2025 17: 30
    then you can't put up with the school ten-year program.

    For what reason, may I ask? We studied for decades and it seemed to work out pretty well.
  41. 0
    31 July 2025 17: 36
    Quote: pavel.tipin
    Therefore, it would be effective to provide families with 3 children with at least assistance in setting up a family business.

    Again, money for fish! This "family business" is in fact just foam floating on top of serious production. All the discussions on this matter are not even stupidity, but a downright crime. For the normal development of any state, large industrial (agricultural) enterprises with highly qualified hired workers are necessary. Only on this fertile soil can such a tiny layer of "family affairs" exist.
    There will be no industry with its army of workers, "family affairs" will die out due to the lack of consumers.
    1. 0
      1 August 2025 21: 42
      We are now trying to find a solution to the demographic problem that can destroy the state. What large agricultural enterprises? In Soviet times, they wrote that 3% of the US population (farmers) feed the entire country. What large industrial enterprises? Before creating a large enterprise, you need to be sure that you will sell your products. Compete with China? Large enterprises can only exist in a monopoly. Yes, young people don't give a damn about working at large enterprises, they have completely different goals: to be the master of their own destiny, freedom and travel. This is a different generation. Small businesses in developed countries bring in at least 50% of GDP. Small businesses grow into large ones, many go bankrupt, this is a natural process.
  42. 0
    31 July 2025 17: 40
    Quote: 2 level advisor
    Quote: 123_123
    In the USSR, in our labor classes, there were specific jobs with metal and wood, there were lathes. Now they do some kind of nonsense, glue something out of paper, education in modern Russia is degrading.

    Well, I made a pointer on a lathe at school and a stool for labor. Do you think that was what gave me the main basis for my education? If it were vocational school, then maybe, but for school, labor lessons are definitely not the basis of education.

    Well, if your job falls into the category of: "Shut your mouth, clean your work place", then of course yes. If a person does something real in life, then school labor lessons give the basics of the ability to "move your hands and brains". They give the basis of what is called "straight hands".
  43. 0
    31 July 2025 17: 46
    Quote: vadimN
    It is this layer that should be the basis of the country's future.

    And what should this "layer" do? Is it really not clear that the world is material, that we eat food with metal spoons from porcelain plates, sitting on wooden chairs at wooden tables. And that we are not wearing computer programs, but pants and shirts made of fabric.
    Enough already with this "middle class".
  44. +1
    31 July 2025 18: 02
    Quote from turembo
    For moral reasons, I'm now meeting girls,

    In Russian, if you speak it, a girl is a mature virgin. So you either try to meet girls half your age, or you meet younger women.
    The independence of a family depends very little on the availability of separate housing. Independence is determined primarily by how much people love each other. For over forty years, no one has dared to poke their nose into our family affairs, despite the fact that we lived with my mother-in-law for the first thirteen years, God rest her soul.
    It’s just that everyone around understood perfectly well from the very beginning that any nose would be pinched harshly, albeit with all due decency, and on both sides.
    The greatest stupidity in the universe is that you need to achieve everything first and only then start a family. You need to achieve everything in life together.
    And you, dear forum member, really have little chance of family life. The cockroaches in their heads at this age have already become hardened. The probability that they will get used to each other is vanishingly small.
  45. 0
    1 August 2025 03: 08
    I agree with the author on almost everything. And about the emancipation and independence of women, and about the level of culture and responsibility of youth, and about the influence of cheap technologies on the attitude to work of children and teenagers. In turn, I will add that the smartphone and the Internet also have a significant impact on changing the morals of the younger generations. And scrupulous mothers shaking like crazy over their children are also a problem. But to shove a smartphone into his hands when he is capricious or just to get rid of him - no problem.
    I once heard an opinion that many games for children, they say, develop, teach, they say, both. But when this small, dead, half-green scarecrow with glassy eyes after 2 hours in a row tries to understand human speech and perform awkward body movements - which you asked - you understand that the phone is simply ruining this small creature and nothing more. From total sitting at home (most teenagers) on vacation and during school on weekends, the immune system and nervous system are simply suppressed. Mothers, like crazy, begin to look for the causes of illnesses in tests, and in anything, but not in where the cause is buried. Because it is easier for them to push problems onto the clinic than to organize the child in his leisure and rest.
    Schools don't teach labor, physical education is an excuse, in general everyone has learned to felonize to the extent of their licentiousness.
    "Children!? What children? Oh, children... Yes, they, there... soon... will probably appear. What are you talking about, children - children!? Like a madman. Let's buy a dog then, will you cradle it in your arms? No? You don't have time to like videos on TikTok? It's reasonable, it's reasonable..."
  46. -3
    1 August 2025 05: 31
    Quote: Alexander Odintsov
    The system is to blame for everything. We have a lot of imports, we have completely forgotten how to produce our own. People outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg do not have normal jobs, with a few exceptions. Housing is exorbitantly expensive. People do not have money for children, there are no conditions. In the USSR, there was work for everyone, free cooperative housing was not so expensive. Everyone had a job, everyone understood their need. Now university graduates often work at McDonald's. There was a tax on single and childless people. Everyone started families. Now there are only divorces and millions of lonely people. All this is covered by imitation - maternity capital, which you can't buy anything for, and meager child benefits. In the current system, it will not be possible to increase the birth rate.
  47. 0
    1 August 2025 08: 31
    I want to add a couple of lines from myself. I had to work in Norway, they have a lot of things there, but I liked one law. The state guarantees a loan at the lowest rate to a young family and together with a marriage certificate, the young family gets their own home.
    I think our state would not become poorer and a family that got married (first marriage) could even be given a one-room apartment
    1. 0
      6 August 2025 08: 01
      Or maybe even give a billion dollars? Marriage is a test, not a fairy tale. If you couldn't start a family, buy an apartment, it's your own fault. 90% of divorces, you can't get enough apartments. I've been married for 28 years, we were two poor guys, with a baby in apartments, we saved up for a one-room apartment, almost starving, then things started to improve, the marriage only got stronger, because it was real.
      1. 0
        6 August 2025 08: 28
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        Or maybe we should give another billion dollars?

        What's wrong with a young family starting to live in their own home? I know two families that broke up because of housing, you can say a lot of things, but you can't earn enough to buy an apartment as a teacher.
  48. +1
    1 August 2025 11: 40
    And one more thing. One last comment to this article, for thought.
    In his own family, the youngest son, 10 years old, sleeps in the same bed with his mother. No matter how much I explained that this would have consequences for the teenager's maturation, it was like peas against a wall. The last excuse: - well, my son and I enjoy it. And I also slept with my mother when I was a child and nothing terrible happened.
    And you ask where the "vegetables" and henpecked husbands among the male half come from. Well, this is just an example. In general, my wife doesn't care about my opinion on raising children. If I make a remark, I am a tyrant and a despot.
    Now I will describe the essence of it all, as it is the key to understanding what is happening in society at the moment. The overwhelming majority of people on the planet have one single desire - to strain themselves less. The rest, there are few of them, those who are conscious and try to change something. But the majority perceive them as boring and annoying. Like, fuck off and don't interfere with enjoying life. Shove your rules up your . and so on. Yes. All those consequences that are acute in society today follow from this approach to life. This is only the beginning. The question is what to do about it!?
    If the state does not react to these trends, then in just 10-20 years the end will be very sad. Yes, not only in Russia, but also all over the world, as readers noted in the comments above.
    To react means to go against society.
    For my part, I will express my opinion, knowing that many will disagree. Strictness of parents should be present in the family (along with kindness) - I was raised by my mother alone and strictly, I bow to her to the ground. Strictness towards parents and teenagers should also come from the state. How should this work? Children should have responsibilities to the state - clubs, sections, community service (cleaning and caring for the school grounds, helping teachers maintain order in the classroom, school, etc.). The stricter the approach, the more conscious the children will grow. Punishments for using phones at school should be tangible for parents. And there is no need to be afraid to overdo it in this regard. The future of our country is at stake.
    1. 0
      6 August 2025 08: 03
      What nonsense. I slept with my mother until who knows how old and I certainly didn't become a henpecked husband. But my father beat me mercilessly. Do you think fear of my father will make a man out of a guy?
  49. 0
    3 August 2025 15: 52
    On what basis is it concluded that there is a “desire to create a family” in principle?
  50. 0
    6 August 2025 07: 58
    The main enemy of demography is education for women, rights and freedoms. A woman wants to have fun, make a career, but she does not want and does not know how to be a wife. Even those who get married do not think about what a family is, they are more interested in the fact of the wedding, the dress, photos, honeymoon, they think that family is some kind of holiday. As a result, almost 90% of divorces.
    By nature: a woman should sit at home, cook cabbage soup and run after children. A man should provide his family with everything necessary. Man has mutilated nature. In addition, man does everything to ensure that genetic diseases spread at an unprecedented speed, there are practically no healthy children, cancer, diabetes and everything else that is transmitted with genes are striding across the planet. Pharmaceutical companies rule, for whom profit is important, not the health of humanity. Everything that will lead to its rapid disappearance of man.