The Myth of Ancient Azerbaijan

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The Myth of Ancient Azerbaijan


What's going on with Azerbaijan?


There is a dizziness from success. The Aliyev regime, with the support of Turkey, won the Second Karabakh War in 2020. In 2023, Azerbaijan liquidated the Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenia suffered a heavy defeat, plunged into a crisis that continues to this day.



Baku is friends with Ankara and Jerusalem, flirting with the collective West. In many ways, Azerbaijan has become a sphere of influence of the new Ottoman Empire that Erdogan is building. With all the ensuing consequences – pan-Turkism, gradual Islamization.

The economy is developing successfully thanks to oil and gas revenues. Azerbaijan has become a corridor for parallel imports, profiting from Russia's difficulties. Baku trades oil and weapons.

Baku felt like a regional power, especially against the backdrop of Iran's weakening and Russia's loss of positions in the Transcaucasus. Therefore, Azerbaijan continues to push back Armenia. Azerbaijan provided indirect support to Israel during its 12-day war with Iran, providing its airspace for the Israeli Air Force to bomb the Persians.

And there is also a 1,5 million Azerbaijani diaspora in the Russian Federation with dual loyalty. Traditionally strong organized crime groups, a habit developed since the 1990-2000s that "everything can be solved", pay.

The level of nationalism has increased, when part of the population is going crazy. Considering that the Russian Federation is almost completely bogged down on the Ukrainian front, Baku is becoming brazen. Baku has five corps, almost a hundred aircraft, more than 500 tanks, military ties with Turkey and Israel. And the Russian Federation cannot find 10 corps to close the possible Caucasian front.

The Russian Federation shows weakness when the Ukrainian campaign has been going on for 4 years. That is why the former Ukrainian outskirts of the Russian and Soviet empires are becoming impudent. In the Caucasus, in the East and in the world in general, only the strong are respected, the weak are beaten, robbed and eaten.

Ancient "Azerbaijan" and "Azerbaijanis"


In modern Azerbaijan, as in other post-Soviet republics, they have created a myth about “Ancient Azerbaijan”. And they are laying claim to the lands historical Armenia. They also remember ancient Albania, which allows them to set their sights on the lands of the Northern Caucasus.

It is enough to recall the experience of modern Ukraine, where they created the “myth of Ukraine-Rus”, the “ancient history of Ukrainians” and what this ultimately led to (The myth of "European Russia-Ukraine").

The word "Azerbaijan" and "Azerbaijanis" come from the Persian name of the ancient state of Atropatena. This is a historical region and an ancient state in the northwest of modern Iran. It roughly corresponds to the territory of Iranian (Western or Southern) Azerbaijan and the southeastern regions of the current Azerbaijan Republic (south of the Kura and Araks).

This word meant "the possession of Atur" (Atropatene), in translation the name means "Protecting fire, Keeper of fire". At that time, the locals were fire worshipers. Atur himself - Atropatene - was the satrap-ruler of Media in the 4th century BC. At first, he served Darius, then went over to his conqueror - Alexander the Great. After the collapse of the Macedonian empire, he created his own state.

Later, Atropatena was part of the Parthian and Sassanid empires and Greater Armenia.

Subsequently, the name of the ancient region changed, taking the form of "Aderbadagan" among the Persians, "Atrpatakan" among the Armenians, and "Aderbaijan" among the Arabs. Already in the Islamic era, this name, under the influence of the Arabic language, was transformed into the modern "Azerbaijan".

At the same time, the ancient population of Antropatena initially consisted of Iranian (Persian) and autochthonous (local) pre-Iranian (apparently Caucasian in the east and Hurrian-Urartian, future Armenian in the west) tribes. That is, in its mass it was an Indo-European-Aryan (Medes, Persians, Armenians) population and local Caucasian autochthons (original, indigenous population).

They spoke extinct dialects of the Indo-European language family of the Iranian group. Thus, in the early Middle Ages, the population of Atropatene-Azerbaijan spoke both the Iranian language Azeri and the standard Persian language.

The famous 10th century Arab historian Masudi wrote:

“The Persians are the people who inhabit the mountains of Mahat and Azerbaijan as far as Armenia and Arran, Baylekan and Derbent, Ray and Tabaristan, Muscat and Shabaran, Jurjan and Abarshahr, that is, Nishapur, Herat and Merv and other areas in the land of Khorasan, Sejistan, Kerman, Fars and Ahvaz… All these lands were once one kingdom with one king and one language… although the language is slightly different… There are various languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azeri and other Persian languages.”

Thus, the ancient population of the "land of fire" had no relation to the history of modern Azerbaijan and the Azerbaijani ethnic group. This is clearly shown by the language - Indo-European, not Turkic.


Transcaucasia in the 2nd-1st centuries BC

Albania


Another ancestral homeland of modern Azerbaijanis, according to the creators of the myth of "Ancient Azerbaijan", is Caucasian Albania. A historical state entity that formed in the late 2nd - mid-1st centuries BC in Eastern Transcaucasia. It occupied part of the territory of modern Azerbaijan, Georgia and Dagestan.

However, the Azerbaijanis - Turks have nothing to do with the Caucasian Albanians. Roman historians describe them as fair-haired and grey-eyed, that is, typical Indo-Europeans (Aryans) of that era.

In addition, Caucasian Albania was obviously also a union of different tribes and clans. Among them were representatives of the Lezgin branch of the Nakh-Dagestan family, Iranian and Armenian tribes (Indo-European language family). Waves of Scythians, Sarmatians, Indo-Europeans-Aryans from the steppes of Southern Russia also came here.

Part of Albania was part of Greater Armenia and adopted Christianity.

Only later the Albanian tribes were first Islamized and after several centuries became Turkicized, entering the Caucasian part of the Azerbaijani ethnic group. The Albanians also participated in the ethnogenesis of the Dagestani peoples, Georgians and Armenians.

Islamization and the Turkic era


In the mid-7th – 8th centuries, the territory of Caucasian Albania entered the sphere of the Arab Caliphate. Islam became the dominant religion. But the majority of the population retained traditional beliefs and Christianity until the 11th – 12th centuries.

With the weakening of the Arab Caliphate in Transcaucasia in the 9th-10th centuries, a number of state formations and local dynasties emerged.

In the middle of the 11th century, the Oghuz Turkic tribes - the Seljuks - invaded the territory of Azerbaijan from Central Asia (Turkestan). They created their empire, including the territory of modern Azerbaijan.

From this time on, the Turkification of the local Iranian (Persian), Caucasian and Armenian population began. Most often, this was expressed in the fact that the military and political elite became Turks, while the bulk of the population remained the same. At the same time, the population was Islamized.

In Azerbaijani historiography, the first Azerbaijani state is often called the State of the Ildegizids. The state that arose on the ruins of the Seljuk Empire, ruled by the Turkic Ildegizid dynasty, existed from 1136 to 1225 in northwestern Iran and also covered part of Arran (a region in modern Azerbaijan).

The word “Azerbaijan” itself, as noted above, has long had a geographical meaning, denoting a historical region.

Later, the region was part of the Mongol Empire of the Khulagid, which had Iranian Azerbaijan as its main base and capital in Tabriz. Then, in the 14th–15th centuries, the Turkic dynasties created the Kara Koyunlu and Ak Koyunlu formations, which were driven out of Turkestan by the Mongols and fought each other. This fight ended with the victory of the Ottoman Empire.

The region later became a battleground between two regional powers, Turkey and Persia. Persia itself, like historical Azerbaijan, was ruled by Turkic dynasties. In particular, the Safavid dynasty, although its founder Ismail I was apparently not a Turk.

It is worth noting that during this period there was no particular cultural or linguistic difference between the Ottoman Turks and the Caucasian Turks. However, Sunnism prevailed in the Ottoman Empire, and Shiism in Persia. This led to a series of bloody religious Turkish-Persian wars, when entire regions of the Caucasus were completely cut out and devastated.

It was during that period that the word from which the modern "Azerbaijani" arose appeared - "Ajami" (from the Turkish "ajam"). But it was also not an ethnonym. This Turkish word denoted all the inhabitants of Persia who professed Shiism, and not Sunnism.

In the “Manifesto” of Tsar Peter I, published in 1722 in Astrakhan before his Persian campaign, four peoples of Transcaucasia and Iran are noted: “Persians, Ajami, Armenians and Georgians,” where Ajami refers to the Turks.


Weapons and armor of warriors of the Kara Koyunlu and Ak Koyunlu states in the Museum of History of Azerbaijan

From "Caucasian Tatars" to Modern Azerbaijanis


After a series of wars with Persia and Turkey, Russia annexed the lands of modern Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. In 19th-century documents, the local Muslim Turkic population was called "Caucasian Azerbaijani Tatars", "Aderbeidzhans of Persian and Caucasian".

Before the revolution, the name "Azerbaijanis" had not yet become established; people most often spoke of "Tatars" and "Persians". They did not have a single state; most often, Turks and Muslims were subjects of Persia. There was no single self-designation. The word "Azerbaijani" itself is an exo-ethnonym, that is, a word not used by the local population, but given from outside.

Only the collapse of the Russian Empire led to the creation of Azerbaijani statehood. First, in 1918, during the Turkish intervention, the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic was created. In 1920, the Red Army entered Baku, and the Azerbaijan SSR was created. The local language was officially considered Turkic from 1918 to 1936.

Thus, the Bolsheviks created the Azerbaijani statehood. In 1936, Azerbaijan joined the USSR as a union republic. The Azerbaijani Turks began to be officially called Azerbaijanis, and their national language was called Azerbaijani. At the same time, by decision of the Soviet government, the Azerbaijani script was transferred from the Latin to the Cyrillic alphabet. After 1991, the language was again transferred to the Latin alphabet based on its Turkish version.

As a result, Azerbaijan as a state of Turkic Azerbaijanis emerged only in 1918 as a result of the catastrophe that destroyed the Russian Empire and the Turkish intervention. The Bolsheviks preserved this statehood and nurtured it.

The Azerbaijanis themselves as an independent ethnic group emerged from the Turkic-speaking masses no earlier than the beginning of the 20th century. In their ethnogenesis, they are a synthesis of local (autochthonous) Caucasian, Indo-European (Persians and Armenians) tribes, plus Turkic newcomers.

This is also confirmed by genetic studies. Thus, a 2018 study of the Y-chromosome showed the dominance of Near Asian haplogroups (55%) in the Azerbaijani gene pool, which were brought to the region in which the ethnogenesis of Azerbaijanis took place, even during the period of its primary settlement in the Mesolithic and Neolithic.

Also in this study, the authors found up to 20% of Eastern European genetic lines in the Azerbaijani genome. This shows active contacts of the Caucasus region with the ancient population of Eastern Europe (for example, with the Scythians). There are also Central Asian genetic lines (18%) - medieval Turkic migration and a small percentage of South Asian (6%).

А The myth of “Ancient Azerbaijan” and “Azerbaijanis” is already a manifestation of modern politics, when historical and political myths are created for young ethnic groups. What this leads to can be seen in the example of Hitler's Germany or "ancient Ukraine-Rus".


"A young noble Tatar". Drawing by V. Vereshchagin. Shusha, 1865
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  1. +15
    23 July 2025 04: 46
    In Iran, they still reproach Russia for separating northern Azerbaijan from Iran during the reign of the Qajar dynasty. I would like to add that under certain conditions, for example, if Aliyev's power weakens, modern Azerbaijan can again be annexed back to Iran, especially since they consider it their territory. That is when the fictitious history of Azerbaijan will end and a different history will be written. wink
    1. +8
      23 July 2025 05: 31
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Modern Azerbaijan may be reunited back to Iran

      I doubt it very much, considering that modern Southern Azerbaijan has little in common with the Persians... and annex the North as well? It's like the Kurds in Turkey...
      1. -8
        23 July 2025 12: 06
        What other 10 corps against Azerbaijan does the author write about? what
        There, 1-2 corps and Akhmat will be enough to close the front from the Caspian coast to the Main Caucasian Ridge, to mine this area with continuous minefields. 500 Geraniums per night in one week will destroy all the oil and gas platforms of Azerbaijan. And yes, Azerbaijan is not a fraternal country, so Baku can be bombed like the Gaza Strip, to zero. 500 tanks will not pass through the mountains. And the Chechens will instill such terror among the Azerbaijani defenders that they will abandon all their armored vehicles, like the Georgians in 2008, and rush to the Iranian border.
        If Russia carries out a tough operation against Azerbaijan, like Israel did against Iran, Azerbaijan will throw out the white flag in 12 days, and then spend 5-10 years restoring its oil and gas industry.
        1. +12
          23 July 2025 12: 29
          Yes, but all this is possible only under one scenario... Why don't we do all this in Ukraine? Oil refineries, traction substations, bridges across the Dnieper, 700 kV substations... ???
          Where???
          The next "strange war"?
          1. -4
            23 July 2025 12: 32
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Yes, but all this is possible only under one scenario... Why don't we do all this in Ukraine? Oil refineries, traction substations, bridges across the Dnieper, 700 kV substations... ???
            Where???
            The next "strange war"?

            This requires political will and a Fabergé like Netanyahu.
            1. +14
              23 July 2025 14: 01
              Netanyahu's "Faberge" is located overseas. If there were no States, there would be no Israel...
          2. +5
            23 July 2025 19: 24
            Are you not aware that it was precisely because of the strikes on the two remaining oil refineries in Ukraine that Aliyev became so agitated?
          3. 0
            28 December 2025 12: 00
            Otherwise, our respected partners will be offended. It's forbidden to touch Banderovites.
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        3. +17
          23 July 2025 19: 29
          There, 1-2 corps and Akhmat would be enough to close the front from the Caspian coast to the Main Caucasian Ridge, and mine this area with continuous minefields.

          Forgive me, of course, but "Akhmat" was once entrusted with guarding the border in the Kursk region, the result is known. Are you suggesting to "pit co-religionists against each other"?
          1. +6
            23 July 2025 21: 03
            That would be right, but we are not Anglo-Saxons, we don't know how. And our strategy is different - Leopoldism.
          2. +7
            23 July 2025 21: 06
            yes...there faith is a relative concept...relative to robbing neighbors, their faith is silent in their masses. Why don't Russians use the "proxy" method, like in the Russian Empire? Enough of these "nations"...there are national groups within the framework of a single Russian nation!
          3. +1
            24 July 2025 09: 08
            The Chechens are Sunnis, the Azerbots are Shiites. They may be co-religionists, but the representatives of each of these movements consider the others heretics.
          4. -1
            11 September 2025 16: 57
            Quote: private person
            Forgive me of course, but "Akhmat" was entrusted


            Which "Akhmat" are you talking about? There are different ones. So, on August 8, 2024, fighters from the Wagner PMC and the Akhmat special forces arrived in the Kursk region to participate in battles against the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
            Before them there was SOBR "Akhmat". That there are several different units. So no one can say anything bad about SPN "Akhmat". This is a combat unit that has repeatedly proven its combat effectiveness. So volunteers "AID" from SPN "Akhmat" participated in the operation "Stream" (Pipe)
            1. -1
              11 September 2025 17: 40
              Which "Akhmat" are you talking about? There are different ones.

              I'm talking about that "Akhmat" that the conscript soldier was talking about when he was asked where "Akhmat" was?
              1. -3
                12 September 2025 19: 44
                You are talking about the wrong serviceman. I am talking to you. He is not talking to me. So which Akhmat unit are you talking about?
        4. 0
          23 July 2025 21: 01
          I see that you took a serious part in preparing the SVO plan in 2021-early 2022.
          1. +3
            24 July 2025 09: 12
            There, they weren't working out a plan, they were just smoking. They were counting on a blitzkrieg and meeting our columns with flowers. Only Naryshkin had his own opinion, but against the background of the general triumphalism, they didn't hear him or didn't want to listen.
        5. +2
          27 July 2025 10: 09
          "500 Geraniums will be destroyed..."...yes, yes, something is not working out with Ukraine, for 3 years we are "slowly descending from the mountain" (I have no doubt that "we will have the whole herd", but it is happening for a very long time and painfully)))... and we also remember the 94th: "take Grozny in a day, with one airborne division..." And even earlier (the 39th): "fight on foreign territory".. I would not be so optimistic... How much can we underestimate the enemy? It costs us too much...
        6. +3
          29 July 2025 18: 01
          There, 1-2 corps and Akhmat will be enough to close the front from the Caspian coast to the Main Caucasian Ridge,


          The brave Chechen guys showed themselves in all their glory. You can't trust them with anything except a donkey. Chew your ass with your show-off, but it's no use!
      2. +2
        23 July 2025 19: 28
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        I doubt it very much, considering that modern Southern Azerbaijan has little in common with the Persians... should we also annex the Northern Azerbaijan?

        May 28, 1918 is the date of the proclamation of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic (ADR).
        This happened after the collapse of the Russian Empire, when the first statehood in history inhabited by Azerbaijanis was created on the territory of Eastern Transcaucasia. Until 1918, Azerbaijanis did not have their own statehood. [i] [/ i]
        1. -3
          24 July 2025 01: 05
          And the phrase: “26 Baku commissars” doesn’t mean anything to you?
          1. +1
            24 July 2025 09: 14
            It seems that all these 26 were Armenians by nationality. More precisely, there were 27 of them and the 27th survived and subsequently served "from Ilyich to Ilyich".
    2. +6
      23 July 2025 05: 54
      Under certain conditions, for example the fall of the ayatollah regime, Aliyev may want to "restore the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan", naturally under the aegis of Baku. And it doesn't matter that such a state in such a configuration has never existed, there will be historians who, for a reasonable fee, will write a politically correct history, and also find archaeological finds where necessary and interpret them as necessary.
      1. +4
        23 July 2025 06: 02
        Quote: Nagan
        Aliyev may want to "restore the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan", naturally under the auspices of Baku


        It is quite possible, colleague. If the Yankees want it, they will present a living heir of the Safavids to the UN Security Council, who will personally testify to all the latest "historical research of Baku"! wassat
        1. 0
          19 December 2025 17: 27
          Aliyev is a Kurd and that says it all. He can want a lot, but being a Kurd in Iran or Turkey is not acceptable.
      2. +1
        23 July 2025 06: 47
        Quote: Nagan
        Under certain conditions, such as the fall of the ayatollah regime, Aliyev may want to "restore the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan"
        Hardly. They lived in different countries for too long and stopped understanding each other. I don't mean the language, but the mental misunderstanding...
        1. +6
          23 July 2025 21: 07
          Well, it depends on how you look at it. The Anglo-Saxons, with our incompetent policy in Ukraine, have coped with this perfectly in just a quarter of a century.
          1. -3
            26 July 2025 01: 26
            Quote: golen
            The Anglo-Saxons, with our incompetent policy in Ukraine, coped with this perfectly in just a quarter of a century.

            Did they start from scratch? Before that, there was no Bandera, no Petliura, no Shashkevich, no Vagilevich, no Golovatsky... Ukrainian nationalism is already more than two hundred years old...
      3. +8
        23 July 2025 07: 22
        I think that the elites of southern Iranian Azerbaijan have their own vision of whose leadership they should unite under. And it is very doubtful that this vision includes the Aliyev clan... What do they need this hooliganism for?
        1. 0
          23 July 2025 07: 57
          The Bolsheviks preserved this statehood and nurtured it.

          I waited and waited for this... as always, the gentlemen blame the Bolsheviks, even after 100 years.
          Near Eastern haplogroups (55%),

          Central Asian, actually. In Russian geography there is no "Anterior Asia", only Central Asia.
          1. +1
            23 July 2025 08: 40
            Quote: Civil
            l, I was waiting for this... as always, the gentlemen blame the Bolsheviks, even after 100 years.

            And who created these NEVER-previously existing "states", invented ancient noble stories for them and hammered this nonsense into their heads?

            It is enough to recall the experience of modern Ukraine, where they created the “myth of Ukraine-Rus”, the “ancient history of Ukrainians”

            And who invited the Nazi Grushevsky, who invented this nonsense, to the USSR to preach this nonsense?
            1. +9
              23 July 2025 09: 20
              And who created "states" that NEVER existed before, invented ancient noble stories for them and hammered this nonsense into their heads?

              Isn't it the one who declared some kind of "independence" on June 12, 1991? Banned the CPSU and signed the Belovezh Accords?
              1. 0
                23 July 2025 11: 15
                Quote: Civil
                And no, the one who declared some kind of "independence"

                no, he invented and created about 100 years ago the so-called "states" of the BSSR, KazSSR, KFSSR, KirSSR, ESSR, etc., which had never existed before, for which he tore apart the Russian lands and the Russian people.

                Who gave you the right to cut off Russian Odessa, Vitebsk, Mogilev, Petropavlovsk, etc. from Russia?
                1. -1
                  24 July 2025 23: 23
                  Have a snack at least once in a while, otherwise you've stopped looking like a human being altogether! You're so contorted, be careful not to choke, you sicko, otherwise they'll want to attribute your absurd self-destruction to Lenin too.
                2. 0
                  22 October 2025 02: 44
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  He invented and created about 100 years ago the so-called "states" of the Byelorussian SSR, Kazakh SSR, KFSSR, Kirghiz SSR, Estonian SSR, etc., which had never existed before, for which he tore apart the Russian lands and the Russian people.

                  While the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was in power, the level of state centralization was much higher than under the Tsar. The Tsars were incapable of mobilizing troops in Central Asia during the war, while Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev could easily mobilize Uzbeks and Tajiks and send them to Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan. The unified state was destroyed by Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Korzhakov, Gaidar, Burbulis, and their henchmen from the Alpha special forces in 1991.
                  1. +1
                    22 October 2025 11: 44
                    Quote: gsev
                    While the CPSU was in power, the level of centralization of the state was much higher than under the Tsar.

                    the kings just annexed these hemli
                    Quote: gsev
                    The priests were unable to carry out mobilization in Central Asia during the war

                    Russians were mobilized from there
                    Quote: gsev
                    Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev could easily mobilize Uzbeks and Tajiks

                    the example of collectivization is strong
                    Quote: gsev
                    The united state was destroyed by Yeltsin and Gorbachev,

                    there was nothing - it collapsed like a house of cards at the first freedom...
              2. +8
                23 July 2025 12: 00
                Quote: Civil
                Isn't it the one who declared some kind of "independence" on June 12, 1991? Banned the CPSU and signed the Belovezh Accords?

                He-he-he... so two of the three signatories of Belovezhskaya are communists, flesh of the CPSU flesh. One is the head of the agitation and propaganda department and a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine. The second climbed the party ladder all the way to the post of first secretary of the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU, secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU and candidate member of the Politburo.
                The Soviet Union was destroyed under the wise leadership of the native party - the most active participants in the collapse were the cadres nurtured by the party.
                1. -2
                  23 July 2025 13: 12
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Quote: Civil
                  Isn't it the one who declared some kind of "independence" on June 12, 1991? Banned the CPSU and signed the Belovezh Accords?

                  He-he-he... so two of the three signatories of Belovezhskaya are communists, flesh of the CPSU flesh. One is the head of the agitation and propaganda department and a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine. The second climbed the party ladder all the way to the post of first secretary of the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU, secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU and candidate member of the Politburo.
                  The Soviet Union was destroyed under the wise leadership of the native party - the most active participants in the collapse were the cadres nurtured by the party.

                  Well, how are things going? In building your capitalism? You, the perestroika generation, happily supported the dissolution of the USSR, without lifting a finger to preserve the Soviet Motherland. Soon your pensions will be completely cancelled, let's see how you sing laughing
                  1. +7
                    23 July 2025 17: 08
                    Quote: Civil
                    So how are things going? In building your capitalism?

                    That is, you have nothing against the thesis about the collapse of the USSR and the construction of capitalism by members of the CPSU. smile
                    Quote: Civil
                    You, the perestroika generation, happily supported the dissolution of the USSR, without lifting a finger to preserve the Soviet Motherland.

                    The Soviet Motherland was already dead by then. Carved up by the thugs from the party leadership who had built their own personal communism, and by the thieves from trade and distribution.
                    For some - special dachas and special distribution centers, for others - deficit and respect. And for the Soviet people, since the early 80s - empty shelves, coupons and sausage trains.
                    "Pravda" is gone. "Soviet Russia" is all sold. "Trud" remains for three kopecks.
                    1. 0
                      26 July 2025 01: 53
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      For some - special dachas and special distribution centers

                      Against the backdrop of today's yachts, palaces and millions of hectares of privately owned land... these special dachas look especially impressive! wassat
                      1. -1
                        28 July 2025 12: 49
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Against the backdrop of today's yachts, palaces and millions of hectares of privately owned land... these special dachas look especially impressive!

                        You need to compare comparable things. And special dachas, special distribution centers and other "special-" should be compared not with today's palaces, but with the life of ordinary people back then.
                        What should I feed my family, what should I feed my children? Today I went to the market and saw speculators selling laundry soap for 1 ruble a piece and I couldn't buy any. In our time, when there has been no war for 30 years, where did it all go? There is no fish, hake, flounder, cod - they are generally in short supply. Sometimes there is pollock, but that is rare. And there is no talk of chocolate candies, they don't even exist. Flour shortages. Please explain, is this happening only in our city or is there a similar situation somewhere else? I stood in line for sausage, I was 60 and bought 1 kg for my family, they didn't give me more.
                        The city committee of the party is not very worried about the situation in the city; we call it the “White House”. And where will he worry when the communists shop separately in their buffet in the evening, so that people don’t pay attention. Even the watchman lives well there; he brings home four sticks of smoked sausage and condensed milk. They don’t see the need, what they need, they will be brought to the buffet by car, they will buy it, but what about the common people.
                        © An anonymous letter from a resident of the city of Chusovoy to the editor of the newspaper “Pravda” about the disgraceful supply of food and essential goods to the city. March 1980
                        Yes, it is anonymous. But here are letters from work collectives of the same time:
                        Due to the difficulties that have arisen in providing products, in many regions and districts of the USSR, the practice of issuing such products as meat, butter, eggs, sausages is practiced by coupons, which are issued by housing and communal services or housing managements on a monthly basis. We ask that such a trading system be considered at the session and implemented here in Krasnovishersk.
                        We kindly ask that the solution to this issue be communicated to our team and sent to the trade union committee of the Uralalmaz mine.
                        © Letter from workers of the Uralalmaz mine to the chairman of the Krasnovishersky District Executive Committee L.V. Leontyev with a request to introduce food stamps. November 1978.
                        We, workers of the Ural Chemical Plant, cannot buy anything in our stores. There is absolutely nothing to feed the family. Is it really impossible to somehow improve the nutrition situation in our time? We demand improved food supplies and it is mandatory to introduce coupons for receiving meat and dairy products, as was introduced in the cities of Sverdlovsk, N. Tagil, Kizel, Gubakha, Gorky, Izhevsk and others. Only then will we be able to somehow buy food after work. We are surprised how the stores fulfill the plan when we see almost nothing on the shelves in the grocery stores.
                        © Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the CPSU Central Committee and local party bodies with a request for the introduction of food stamps. May 1979
                      2. +2
                        28 July 2025 19: 04
                        These letters were published in Ogonyok by Korotich.
                      3. 0
                        29 July 2025 12: 30
                        Quote: Chack Wessel
                        These letters were published in Ogonyok by Korotich.

                        These letters are in the State Socio-Political Archives of the Perm Region.
                      4. +1
                        30 July 2025 18: 24
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        These letters are in the State Socio-Political Archives of the Perm Region.

                        ....This is the first time I've heard of such an archive.
                      5. -2
                        29 July 2025 02: 09
                        Did you personally live during the USSR?
                      6. +1
                        29 July 2025 12: 37
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Did you personally live during the USSR?

                        I did. And at a more or less conscious age - I remember how the five-year period of lavish funerals began.
                        And I remember my surprise when in 1983 I came with my parents from a city of the highest supply category to Kirovsk (Apatity) - and there meat was only available if you registered there. Or when relatives in Tver told me that they went to Moscow to buy it.
                        I also remember how my mother told me about a business trip to Vladimir, where in the meat department there was only a saleswoman: “There is no meat, I don’t know when there will be.”
                      7. +1
                        29 July 2025 13: 39
                        Well, we are about the same age... I don't know what kind of "highest supply category" cities they are. I was probably too young to hear anything like that. I lived in a provincial regional center, the city of Semipalatinsk in Eastern Kazakhstan. At the end of Brezhnev, the only thing in short supply was sausage, doctor's sausage... but I remember Servilat on the shelves - it cost almost 6 rubles, which is expensive, and people didn't really buy it. Meat, yes, there were only bones and soup sets on display, since all the normal meat was sold through a store butcher-chopper through connections. Blat was like currency. I also remember the shop windows with beef heads - with skin peeled off and bulging eyes - a vivid childhood memory))) the chickens were in smears - "athletic" and bluish, they joked that they died a natural death... When a duck factory was built in the city, ducks also appeared on sale, but they were "thrown out" if you know what I mean. It was bad with vegetables and fruits, that's it, in the co-op store there was only rottenness half with earth... So either at the market or at your own dacha toil. But there were no problems with fish, in every department store and grocery store - pollock for pennies (it was considered for low-income alcoholics), flounder, hake, sprat, moika - frozen in briquettes, herring - heaps! I won't even mention the stacks of canned goods - fish or stewed meat... Well, maybe because we had the largest meat-packing plant in Asia... And in the Okean store, it was like a supermarket today - self-service, carts... but there was only fish... Dairy and bread... I don't know who was standing in line there in the morning... In my city there were two dairy plants - an old one and a new big one... And in the house there was a bakery - fresh bread and milk every morning - whether in bottles or on tap in a can, kefir, fermented baked milk, etc.... And the most incredible thing right now))) A huge brick of REAL 100% BUTTER laughing They cut off a half-kilo piece from it for you, wrap it in gray paper and put it on the scales... Remember its smell? Not a spray, but REAL butter without any additives? I won't even mention the fresh, every morning, bread made from first-grade flour from the same bakery. These days, only private bakeries or delicatessens have that for 300 rubles a loaf. And in chain supermarkets, there's a bread product made of God knows what, which even alcoholics wouldn't take as a snack at that time. wassat So, before Perestroika, in my provincial town of 300 residents there were no particular problems with food, even for the poor...
                        This is my personal experience... Maybe in other places it was different...
                      8. 0
                        31 July 2025 10: 30
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        I don’t know what kind of cities there are called “highest supply category”; at that time, I was probably too young to hear anything like that.

                        Leningrad.
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Meat, yes, on display there are only bones and soup sets, since all the normal meat was sold through the store's butcher-chopper through connections.

                        And the Central Committee also wrote about this:
                        We are surprised how the stores fulfill the plan when we see almost nothing on the shelves in grocery stores. Meat comes to our Kirovsky district, but we do not see it on sale, because it is not on the shelves.

                        But in reality it was not only the woodcutters who were at fault. Not only had the funds not been revised for decades, but they were also partly paper - the supply was smaller than the funds.
                        The system of selling meat to the population using coupons was introduced in February 1977. Depending on the resources, standards are set
                        sales of meat and poultry.
                        In 1979, with a stock of meat of 453 tons, 240 tons were sold to the population; 60 tons for war veterans and diabetics; 153 tons were spent on social services. In January February, with a meat limit of 80 tons, sales using coupons amounted to 70 tons 0,5 kg per person per month.
                        In 1979, 265 tons of animal oil were sold to the population, with a stock of 337 tons. In January, oil was not traded due to lack of resources. In February-March, 30 tons were sold using coupons, with a limit of 37 tons 200 gr. per person per month.
                        © Letter from the Deputy Head of the Trade Department of the Perm Regional Executive Committee I.N. Volkov to the Perm Regional Committee of the CPSU about the results of the audit of the Chusovsky auction. April 11, 1980
                      9. +1
                        31 July 2025 10: 43
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        But there were no problems with fish, in every department store and grocery store there was pollock for pennies (it was considered for poor alcoholics), flounder, hake, sprat, moika - frozen in briquettes, herring - heaps!

                        Pollock and frozen sea bass with heads. I have already described the evolution of "normal fish":
                        Cod is a fish, hake is for cats. A few years later: hake is a fish, pollock is for cats. A few more years later: pollock is a fish. A couple more years later, all kinds of notothenia became fish, and pollock went into the category of "cod in the times of hake".
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        And in the house there is a bakery - every morning fresh bread and milk - whether in bottles or on tap in a can, kefir, fermented baked milk, etc...

                        One department store per block (there are 15 buildings of 9-12 floors with 5-15 entrances in the block). And that's only a few years after moving in. Before that, it's either a "mini-store in an apartment" (really, an apartment on the first floor converted into a store), or a kilometer walk to the nearest normal store.
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        A huge block of REAL 100% BUTTER

                        That's if you were lucky and they brought butter for 3-60. But most often there was butter for 3-50 - which crumbled and watered when cut, sizzled and spat when fried, and separated into fractions when whipped. Spread in its pure form, but under the name "butter".
                    2. 0
                      22 October 2025 02: 47
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      For some - special dachas and special distribution centers, for others - shortages and respect.

                      From 1985 to 1995, the number of suicides in Russia per capita increased approximately 4...5 times.
                2. -1
                  26 July 2025 01: 50
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  The Soviet Union was destroyed under the wise leadership of the native party - the most active participants in the collapse were the cadres nurtured by the party.

                  So back in 1953, a counter-revolutionary coup took place in the top leadership of the Party and opportunists came to power, who began to destroy the country. It is good that the strength of the Stalinist building lasted for several decades...
                3. 0
                  23 October 2025 01: 27
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  One is the head of the department of agitation and propaganda and a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine.

                  In his youth, he was a successful OUN spy, outplaying the MGB-KGB. In Ukraine, the collapse of the USSR was orchestrated by the KGB and special units of the Soviet Army. The same was true in the Soviet republics. Alpha ignored the orders of the State Emergency Committee in 1991 and carried out those of Chubais and the US State Department in 1993. Although this was most likely due to the government's tight control over its propaganda tools (a cameraman for Central Television during the 1980 Olympics earned 80 rubles a month), and a mid-level businessman earned over 1000 rubles in 1989. And even now. After the annexation of Kym, Putin condemned all land grabs by the Kym Tatars, and this spring, a campaign began in Moscow to evict privates and sergeants from the Second Chechen War from the rooms they had seized in workers' dormitories at the closed tram and trolleybus depots. By December, this awaits FSB officials connected to the FSB, as well as majors and colonels of the special forces of the Russian National Guard and the armed forces. It's quite possible that Kadyrov's decision to rename all Russian-speaking settlements in Chechnya was also inspired by this Moscow campaign. Some Kremlin towers are once again trying to make the military aware of their true place in society, the one assigned to them by the Korzhakovs, Chubais, Gaidar, and Yeltsin in 1991.
              3. +1
                24 July 2025 10: 39
                And you are great Yes So their bun crunches good
            2. 0
              24 July 2025 09: 27
              And who invited the Nazi Grushevsky, who invented this nonsense, to the USSR to preach this nonsense?

              The Bolsheviks invited them as part of the Ukrainization campaign.
            3. -1
              26 July 2025 01: 43
              Quote: Olgovich
              And who created these NEVER-previously existing "states", invented ancient noble stories for them and hammered this nonsense into their heads?

              And you don't know about the real existing state on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia? And quite ancient ones at that... For example, the Bukhara, Khiva and Kokand khanates? Infidels, that is, Russians, except for officials, were not allowed to enter their territory. That's the kind of state uniformity that exists. FEBRUARY the Russian Empire revolution began to crumble like a house of cards! And if it weren't for the Bolsheviks, everything would have ceased to exist as a single space at the beginning of the last century. But the Bolsheviks preserved a single state in the only possible way. And they made it an order of magnitude more uniform than under the Russian Empire. For example: Tashkent 1920 and Tashkent 1933, you'll figure out which is which:
              1. 0
                16 September 2025 13: 25
                from 1933 is better. although the girls are kind of sad :)
        2. +1
          23 July 2025 09: 01
          hi the question is, do Iranian Azerbaijanis want to become one nation with Turkey? After all, it was announced one people --- 2 countries
          Quote: paul3390
          ..... it is very doubtful that this vision includes the Aliyev clan... What do they need this gopnik for?
          All of Aliyev's actions are under the leadership of the Sultan, first of all. And the Sultan thinks most of all about himself and the revival of his Empire
          1. +2
            23 July 2025 12: 01
            Quote: Reptiloid
            the question is, do Iranian Azerbaijanis want to become one nation with Turkey? After all, one nation --- 2 countries was declared

            That's it for now. And then everything will go on as usual: One people, one state, one leader! smile
            1. 0
              23 July 2025 12: 11
              one leader
              In my opinion, Aliyev will be pushed aside in this case anyway laughing Even the Sultan, even the Ayatollah laughing It's in vain that he doesn't understand.
              sew a coat to a button

              This option has happened many times in history. It often brought damage and other troubles to those who wanted it.
              1. 0
                23 July 2025 12: 22
                Quote: Reptiloid
                one leader
                In my opinion, Aliyev will be pushed aside in this case anyway laughing Even the Sultan, even the Ayatollah laughing

                Well, yes, he will have to follow in the footsteps of Arthur Seyss-Inquart. In the best case, he will be the representative of the sultan/ayatollah in the territories under his jurisdiction.
                1. -1
                  23 July 2025 12: 35
                  Now he's simply puffed up with importance ---- Russians, USSR, Russian Empire, he denounces. A representative of the Sultan? I don't know. wink with such a delusion of grandeur recourse will the sultan keep such a person close by... instead of the presidency, to govern the region ---- it is humiliating for him... who knows, maybe Rostov will give him shelter? lol
            2. -2
              23 July 2025 13: 48
              Quote: Alexey RA
              That's for now. And then everything will go along the beaten track: One people, one state, one leader!

              So no one will stop you from running to Russia for help again. Aliyev is the same as Lukashenko. He even has a moustache. laughing
          2. 0
            22 October 2025 02: 54
            Quote: Reptiloid
            All of Aliyev's actions were under the Sultan's leadership

            Aliyev is a very independent politician. He often went against public opinion. For example, he initiated the normalization of relations with Israel, distanced himself from support for Islamic terrorism, and stopped the persecution of Molokans in Azerbaijan. It was precisely these actions that allowed him to crush Armenia, when that country was led by a foolish and narrow-minded politician.
        3. 0
          23 July 2025 16: 16
          The Aliyev clan comes from Nakhichevan and Baku has always had its own internal contradictions.
          1. 0
            24 July 2025 09: 28
            By the way, what other clans are there besides the Nakhichevan one?
      4. +1
        23 July 2025 09: 57
        He won't annex. The population will increase sharply and its welfare will fall. Aliyev doesn't have that much oil and gas.
      5. 0
        14 September 2025 11: 39
        Aliyev is a Kurd, which is not at all acceptable in Persia.
    3. +1
      23 July 2025 09: 11
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      ......then the end of the fictitious history of Azerbaijan will come and a different history will be written wink

      Nothing will happen by itself. Especially now, Azerbaijan, as Ukraine became, is becoming a tool, an instrument against the Russian Federation. The USA, Turkey, the English created this instrument for their own purposes. Tension at the borders of the Russian Federation, especially when the SVO, the displacement of the Russian Federation from the Caucasus.
    4. 0
      23 July 2025 10: 33
      This is not realistic. Turkey will not allow it. Israel too. And in Azerbaijan itself, as long as the oil flows, and it seems to last for at least another 30 years, there will be strength. Unlike Turkey, Armenia and Georgia, Azerbaijan does not have its own ancient history. This ethnic group emerged relatively recently, which makes it akin to dancers. Both of them come up with all sorts of fictions about their ancient origins and their exclusivity. We need to continue to maintain ties with Armenia and Iran - this is a guarantee of our security. However, Azerbaijan has little room to maneuver. To the north is Russia, no longer a friend, to the west is Armenia, never a friend, to the south is Iran, definitely not a friend. And to the east is the Caspian Sea - and we control it militarily /aviation and navy/. You can't get too cheeky. By the way, to the author: the diaspora in Russia is less than a million, of which almost 150 thousand are Dagestani Azerbaijanis. And it is not growing at all, even decreasing. There is simply no 1,5 million.
    5. -1
      24 July 2025 22: 17
      Azerbaijan will most likely annex Iranian territories.
    6. 0
      6 January 2026 23: 14
      Azerbaijanis - Khazers - Khazars !!!
  2. +13
    23 July 2025 04: 58
    I believe that this article does not clarify the question at all - Who dug the Caspian Sea!?.. request
    1. +2
      23 July 2025 05: 06
      Quote: Andrey Martov
      Who dug the Caspian Sea!?
      Guess Three Times wink wink
      1. +1
        23 July 2025 06: 02
        ...there was cooperation - ancient Sumerians-Ukrainians + ancient Azerbaijanis. wassat
        The latter were dug out under the leadership of the Ukrainians.
      2. 0
        28 July 2025 19: 10
        I believe it was a man with a last name starting with the letter "P".
    2. +2
      23 July 2025 12: 02
      Quote: Andrey Martov
      I believe that this article does not clarify the question at all - Who dug the Caspian Sea!?.. request

      It is unclear who dug it up. But it is absolutely certain that it was done under the wise leadership of Turkmenbashi. laughing
    3. 0
      24 July 2025 09: 30
      In Soviet times, the answer would have been vague and politically correct: the Soviet people.
      I think that now icebergs, Turkmens and Kazakhs will not be able to agree on the correct answer to this question. And the Persians, I think, have their own opinion on this matter.
  3. -3
    23 July 2025 05: 07
    Dmitry Peskov expressed hope that disagreements between Russia and Azerbaijan on the issue of Ukraine will not become an obstacle to bilateral relations.
    1. +13
      23 July 2025 05: 14
      I remember what the Azerbaijanis did to Russia and Moscow after taking Stepanakert.
      I then wondered if this was my country at all.
      Racing with shooting... closed streets in cities, dancing on the roadway and residential areas at night, waving Azerbaijani flags near the houses of local residents... rudeness towards residents for trying to make comments.
      What kind of behavior is this of the Azerbaijani diaspora on foreign soil and in a foreign country? am ...after this, my respect for Azerbaijan and Aliyev sharply dropped.
      This is how occupiers behave, not welcome guests in Russia. hi
      There was even a shooting incident near the Kremlin... ugh, disgusting... as if someone had spat in my soul.
      1. -2
        23 July 2025 10: 00
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Racing with shooting... closed streets in cities, dancing on the roadway and residential areas at night, waving Azerbaijani flags near the houses of local residents... rudeness towards residents for trying to make comments.

        And in what cities is this? I don't remember anything like this in Yekaterinburg...
      2. +1
        24 July 2025 22: 30
        Azerbaijanis (= Turks) are haters of Russians. Biological incompatibility.
        1. 0
          6 January 2026 23: 37
          Azerbaijanis - Khazers - Khazars !!!
    2. +1
      24 July 2025 09: 35
      I wonder if the mustachioed cockroach is talking this nonsense himself, or is he speaking the sovereign's word?
      1. -1
        24 July 2025 16: 33
        That's what a press secretary is for - to voice the Great thoughts of a Great man... and at the same time so that you can always blame him for everything if something goes wrong.
  4. 0
    23 July 2025 05: 47
    Did the ancient Azeri people accidentally dig up the Caspian Sea? Oh no? So this historical discovery has yet to be made.
    1. 0
      23 July 2025 06: 03
      there the ancient Sumerians-Ukrainians were the pro-rabs while the Azerbaijanis were digging.....
    2. -3
      23 July 2025 11: 56
      Quote: Nagan
      Did the ancient Azeri people accidentally dig up the Caspian Sea?

      It was dug up by the Persians. laughing
    3. -1
      24 July 2025 09: 37
      I think Kazakhs and Turkmens will not agree with this conclusion.
  5. +2
    23 July 2025 05: 47
    The trouble with our miserable propaganda... Always directed inward, not outward... Especially when you watch TV, how experts try to convince themselves and each other... And here it is... Convince yourself of your own greatness wink
  6. -1
    23 July 2025 05: 55
    The article is correct. It is especially taken into account that it was the Bolsheviks who planted the mine with these socialist republics as part of the Union, not only providing the rear for the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin on the "ground" during the collapse of the Union, but also surrounding the territory of modern Russia with a "minefield" of Russophobia. But since Yeltsin's idea of creating an integral part of a multipolar world order from the once united Romanov Empire and the USSR Empire is today also the idea of the Russian government, then any Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan, to Russia's reproaches about myths and dogmas about Great Azerbaijan or Great Kazakhstan, they will answer Russia that their pole of multipolarity does not necessarily have to coincide with the pole of Russia. And Russia leads them by the hand into all sorts of organizations, starting with the UN, as equal and equivalent to Russia.
    By the way, Andropov dragged the father of the current Aliyev to Moscow to the Kremlin from Azerbaijan, the same Andropov who dragged Gorbachev to power in the Kremlin. So Heydar Aliyev was all for Gorbachev. Why am I talking about this? Because it soon became clear that under Aliyev in Azerbaijan the falsifications and corruption were even worse than under Rashidov in Uzbekistan. But Aliyev managed to jump out of the Kremlin power in time and run back to Azerbaijan as a pensioner ... and then the end of the USSR arrived just in time. So if we say that today clans-diasporas are rampant in Russia, then the idea of the need for organized diasporas in the RSFSR was recommended by the father of the current Aliyev, Heydar Aliyev. Naturally, in addition to the organized diaspora of Russians ...
    If someone tells me that in the Russian Empire there were no national republics but provinces and the Empire collapsed anyway, I will answer that it was the liberal Duma and the spineless collective Nicholas II that destroyed it, well, like mirrors of the liberal Congress of People's Deputies with the collective Gorbachev-Yeltsin at the helm... And we want that after the second catastrophe in one century, those whom Russia as a whole taught to relieve themselves by taking off their pants and sitting down, so that they do not create myths about themselves as "great"?
    1. +2
      23 July 2025 06: 56
      Are you again shifting the blame to the Bolsheviks? So Eastern Armenia and Northern Azerbaijan were annexed by the Russian Empire, not the USSR. After all, these are not "originally Russian lands".
    2. +4
      23 July 2025 07: 30
      I think that the collapse of the USSR began with Andropov, and Gorbachev completed what was started.
      1. 0
        24 July 2025 09: 39
        Dig deeper: It all started with Khrushchev taking over Beria and Malenkov, and then overthrowing the rest of Stalin's guard.
    3. -2
      24 July 2025 17: 25
      Not exactly the Bolsheviks, but specifically Comrade Stalin. All this crap with national formations is his work. No matter how much I appreciate what he did for the Motherland, this screw-up of his outweighs everything
  7. +6
    23 July 2025 06: 59
    The Aliyev clan comes from Nakhichevan, and there are many ethnic Kurds living there. There is even an opinion that Heydar Aliyev, the father of today's President Aliyev, is Kurdish by origin. True, all this comes from Armenians who are interested in this version, but they wave Soviet newspapers from the 30s, where they wrote about the grandfather of today's Aliyev, that he first Kurd with higher education...
  8. +2
    23 July 2025 07: 31
    You can understand what Azerbaijan is by watching the film "Don't be afraid, I'm with you."
    1. +1
      24 July 2025 09: 41
      Yes, in principle, the entire Caucasus and Transcaucasia are shown in this film.
  9. +2
    23 July 2025 08: 16
    Transcaucasia has completely lost its guarantor for the country. However, I am not exactly crying. Since 1991 I was sure that we had no real interests there. Well, except for frowning, milking the last money from the country, chattering about geopolitics. They have finally fallen away and that's fine. Send back all the diasporas, close everything down, try to take back the bad investments. And let them do whatever they want. Trade and connections are now only for mutual benefit and money in the morning, chairs in the evening.
    1. +5
      23 July 2025 10: 56
      Quote: Antony
      However, I'm not really crying.
      And so do I. If only the wall there were built higher. And border outposts wink
      1. +3
        23 July 2025 12: 03
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        If only they could build a higher wall there. And border outposts.

      2. +1
        24 July 2025 02: 18
        But it’s unlikely to help, they’ll load the donkeys with more gold and these traders will squeeze through, God only knows how many of our powers that be are on their payroll, we’ve always had enough sellable skins at the top at all levels.
    2. -4
      23 July 2025 15: 19
      We have plenty of interests there, just the transportation of drugs with fruit trucks is worth something. A lot of people feed off of this and these are not only diasporas, but also gentlemen in uniform and jackets.
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  11. -2
    23 July 2025 09: 01
    Quote: Yuras_Belarus
    Are you again shifting the blame to the Bolsheviks? So Eastern Armenia and Northern Azerbaijan were annexed by the Russian Empire, not the USSR. After all, these are not "originally Russian lands".

    I clearly wrote in Russian about the disastrous consequences of the model of the state created by the Bolsheviks, with republics within this state, and even with their own republican parliaments. And what the Russian Empire annexed had the status of provinces, the same Baku province, Erivan province, Tiflis province, etc., and without any local parliaments.
    And why did the empire collapse under such a state structure that had stood for so many centuries? I clearly wrote that Nicholas II and the Duma in Russia at that time were like a mirror to each other with the Congress of People's Deputies and Gorbachev, under Gorbachev. It can be the other way around.
    1. +4
      23 July 2025 10: 04
      And why did the empire collapse with such a state structure...

      It's sad that the fate of the empire depends on one man who by blind chance ended up on the throne. Such an empire is not worth much :((....
      1. 0
        24 July 2025 09: 43
        Unfortunately, there were no other Hindenburgs in reserve at the time.
        Some are of the opinion that the Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich the Younger could have been a more suitable autocrat than his cousin, the Rag Tsar. True, he had a strained relationship with the penultimate emperor: at one time, Alexander III had to seize the property of his uncle Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder, because of the latter's extravagance.
        1. 0
          24 July 2025 16: 53
          One of the problems of succession is that if there are no clear and unambiguous rules - such as "eldest son - heir", then this leads to civil strife between the heirs sooner or later, it is only a matter of time. And if there are clear rules - then it leads to the fact that sooner or later an unsuitable person will be on the throne.
    2. +5
      23 July 2025 11: 36
      And I clearly wrote that neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan were "originally Russian". Call them "provinces", but this does not change the fact that in the Russian Empire these territories were merely a "foreign" buffer, ensuring the security of the southern borders of the Russian Empire from the encroachments of the Ottomans and Persians. In short, only the formation of the Soviet republics destroyed the ethnic inequality among the peoples of the autocratic empire. And it also allowed the trump cards to be knocked out of the hands of local nationalists - Armenian Dashnaks and Azerbaijani Musavatists. The murder of Soviet power was precisely what returned national and fascist groups to power everywhere.
      1. 0
        24 July 2025 09: 52
        And it also allowed the trump cards to be knocked out of the hands of local nationalists - the Armenian Dashnaks and the Azerbaijani Musavatists.

        It was possible to knock out the trump cards without carving up national republics. It was enough to carry out mass executions.
    3. -4
      23 July 2025 12: 03
      Quote: North 2
      .... a model of a state, destructive in its consequences, created by the Bolsheviks, with republics within this state, and even with their own republican parliaments. ......

      Yes, it was the model of VILenin and other Bolsheviks, who assumed the World Revolution. With the hope that, seeing such a state structure, other revolutionary countries would fearlessly enter our country. It is unclear why, when under Stalin they had already abandoned this idea, the state structure was not changed. And for many years they continued the mythology convenient for the "brothers". About their history, art, culture, science, originality .... Huge subsidies. And without these subsidies, with independence, lies about the greatness of the past and slander against the Russians began.
      1. -4
        23 July 2025 15: 08
        Quote: Reptiloid
        It is unclear why, when this idea was abandoned under Stalin, the state structure was not changed.

        Because this would once again put the ground under the feet of local nationalists.
        1. 0
          23 July 2025 15: 24
          You speak as if there was no Armenian terrorism in the USSR and no bombs in the metro from all those who said that they were under the occupation of the Union.
          1. -4
            23 July 2025 15: 28
            Quote: Totor5
            You speak as if there was no Armenian terrorism in the USSR and no bombs in the metro from all those who said that they were under the occupation of the Union.

            And in this case it would have been even worse. How can you not understand that only in this way could the collapsing country have been put back together. Over time, the need for such division would have disappeared as the Soviet economy developed. And then a painless transition would have taken place. But it didn't work out, unfortunately.
            1. -3
              23 July 2025 17: 37
              This is a Soviet utopia - that it is possible to destroy the self-identification of a people and to comb everyone under the same comb. To create a new people - the Soviet people, who do not remember who they are by blood. It worked only with Ukraine, where they molded Ukrainians from Russians. It did not work with the Talysh in Azerbaijan, although they were similarly deprived of the opportunity to study in their native language and were recorded in documents as Azerbaijanis until the 1980s.
              1. -3
                23 July 2025 18: 16
                Quote: Totor5
                This is a Soviet utopia

                This is not a Soviet utopia, this is the banal logic of the functioning of human society. It is not about combing your hair, but about the need to identify yourself with a certain people. Throughout human history, ethnic groups and peoples have appeared, disappeared, and reappeared. At the dawn of humanity, there were no peoples at all. And no one threw a tantrum about it.
                1. -1
                  23 July 2025 22: 45
                  So it makes no difference to you - your nationality, your language, your religion, your ancestors? After all, this is exactly what we see in Ukraine.

                  If the one who came to power said that from now on I am no longer Russian... but something else... and began to teach my children to speak a language that is not my language, and forbade my language - I would be against this government with every fiber of my soul.

                  But the Ukrainians essentially sold out both their ancestors and their children for the sake of some fictitious idea, it is not surprising that when everything artificial fell away, they found a way out only in ultra-Nazism.

                  If a person is not ready to defend his history and his identity, then yes - such nations dissolve. As the fictitious nation of the Soviet man dissolved, because everything artificial is not viable.
                  1. -3
                    24 July 2025 18: 24
                    Quote: Totor5
                    So it makes no difference to you - your nationality, your language, your religion, your ancestors? After all, this is exactly what we see in Ukraine.

                    If the one who came to power said that from now on I am no longer Russian... but something else... and began to teach my children to speak a language that is not my language, and forbade my language - I would be against this government with every fiber of my soul.

                    But the Ukrainians essentially sold out both their ancestors and their children for the sake of some fictitious idea, it is not surprising that when everything artificial fell away, they found a way out only in ultra-Nazism.

                    If a person is not ready to defend his history and his identity, then yes - such nations dissolve. As the fictitious nation of the Soviet man dissolved, because everything artificial is not viable.

                    If you do not understand that the history of mankind is a continuous process of development and change, then it is a great pity. It is not about forgetting something, but about living in the present, not yesterday. Today, you do not ride a horse to work, do not consider yourself to belong to some tribe, do not write on parchment, papyrus or birch bark. And do not treat yourself with spells, but in a hospital.
                    1. -1
                      25 July 2025 03: 03
                      Without roots, a tree cannot grow.
                      I know the history of my family for at least several centuries and history is continuous for me. Therefore, for me, the Motherland is Russia and the USSR, and the Russian Empire and Rus.
                      But everyone has their own understanding, some are happy to live like a tumbleweed without a homeland, without ancestors and without ideals. The Ukrainians are an example of this.
                      1. -2
                        25 July 2025 15: 59
                        Quote: Totor5
                        without a homeland, without ancestors and without ideals

                        Do you approach your ancestors who lived in the Stone Age with the same claims? You know, there were no ideals there, you just had to survive the night so that a bear wouldn't eat you, there was no Motherland at all, you can't consider the whole of Africa as such, and there were rather vague memories of ancestors because there were no chronicles. I seemed to have tried to explain clearly, and you again tell me about your values stuck in the 19th century. And even then, it's a stretch that it was the 19th century. Now start promoting Orthodoxy, autocracy and nationality.
                      2. -1
                        26 July 2025 02: 42
                        Explaining to a person without a homeland what a homeland is is like explaining to an orphan what parents are. It either exists or it doesn't.
                      3. -2
                        27 July 2025 15: 28
                        Quote: Totor5
                        Explaining to a person without a homeland what a homeland is is like explaining to an orphan what parents are. It either exists or it doesn't.

                        So you have nothing to object to in essence? You can't object to the scientific view of the world, but you can object to half-dead, practically obsolete stereotypes.
                      4. -2
                        27 July 2025 20: 12
                        Well, if the concepts of Homeland and Parents are practically outdated stereotypes for you, then what else can be said.
                      5. 0
                        28 July 2025 09: 01
                        Quote: Totor5
                        Well, if the concepts of Homeland and Parents are practically outdated stereotypes for you, then what else can be said.

                        In the sense that you understand, yes, obsolete. Because you have a blinkered retrograde's view of the world. Which is what the oligarchy uses to manipulate people like you.
        2. -1
          24 July 2025 09: 54
          I think the NKVD would have had enough strength to restore order. Besides, a significant part of the Nazis had already been sent on their final journey to the basement of the VKVS building by that time.
          1. -1
            24 July 2025 18: 15
            Quote: Metallurg_2
            I think the NKVD would have had enough strength to restore order. Besides, a significant part of the Nazis had already been sent on their final journey to the basement of the VKVS building by that time.

            No, it wouldn't be enough. It's a long process.
    4. -2
      23 July 2025 15: 33
      If only, we are all strong in hindsight, it is easy to reason and point out when it is known what happened, everyone thinks of himself as a strategist
  12. +3
    23 July 2025 11: 03
    "After a series of wars with Persia and Turkey, Russia annexed the lands of modern Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. In the documents of the 1828th century, the local Muslim Turkic population was called "Caucasian Azerbaijani Tatars", "Aderbeydzhans of Persian and Caucasian origin." - and not a word about Cuba. Fatali Khan of Cuba has been completely forgotten by Russian historians. Many do not even know about the Quba, Sheki, Shusha, Erivan, Nakhichevan and Derbent Khanates. About the Shirvan - Shemakha Khanate, thanks to our all - Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin, we learned in a fairy tale... The Kaytag Utsmiystvo and the Tarkov Shamkhal, which were sometimes in alliance with the Russian troops, are something completely unknown to many. And we don't remember the Talysh Khanate, and that since the collapse of the USSR, they have been trying to classify the Talysh in Azerbaijan as Azerbaijanis, like the Kurds... But Azerbaijan is the most ancient state on the Caspian Sea, yeah... true, the Shuragel Sultanate, Abkhazia, Mingrelia, Guria and all the Caspian khanates on the territory of today's Azerbaijan were recognized by Persia as Russian lands under the Treaty of Gulistan. And in XNUMX, when Russia and Persia signed the Turkmanchay Peace Treaty, for some reason they only remembered Iranian Azerbaijan, where Russian troops were stationed at the time. Under this treaty, the Erivan and Nakhichevan khanates were transferred to Russia... Erivan is apparently the ancestral homeland of the Azerbaijanis...
    1. +2
      23 July 2025 14: 37
      I give it a plus, I agree with what you wrote.
  13. +4
    23 July 2025 14: 13
    It turns out that Ukrainians and Azerbots appeared on planet Earth only in 1918 thanks to comrades Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin! Indeed, these are two very ancient peoples from the point of view of a fifth-grader at a Baku school.
  14. +4
    23 July 2025 14: 35
    I agree with the author. Considering what the Azerb. media wrote during the recent war between Israel and Iran (about the East. Iran, about the West. Iran), they were ready to grab a piece of their neighbor. They think that about 15-20 million Azeris live in Iran, who dream of merging with Azerbaijan, although in fact no one is striving for this. Azeris themselves go to Iran for treatment, equipment and other goods, because it is expensive in their homeland or they do not know how. The fact that Azeris come from Iran was known to the older generation, not natives, and they called the locals "Persians" - (a little differently). The most famous ancient poets of Azerb. have names in the Iranian manner - Nizami Ganjavi, Fizuli, Nasimi, Firdousi, etc. The writing used to be in Cyrillic, after the collapse of the USSR they switched to the Latin alphabet. And what is ancient Azerbaijan, great and sovereign, all about here?
  15. +2
    23 July 2025 14: 56
    Why would Russia look for 10 corps in the Caucasus? In case of an attack by Azerbaijan, it would be enough to block the passage along the Caspian Sea and destroy their economy with Geraniums, and of course, drive out the entire diaspora. And that's it... The next day, Alta will go into immigration.
  16. -1
    23 July 2025 14: 57
    There are so many Sumerians, you can't move them to position N37 before Beijing. Ukrainian Sumerians, they are ancient and mighty Ukrainians, dug up the Black Sea, and what about the Azerbaijani ones? Really the Caspian???
  17. -1
    23 July 2025 16: 58
    They caught this infection from the Ukrobenderites. Some dug up the Black Sea 2 million years ago, while others erected the Caucasus Mountains. Gigantomania is overflowing in both.
    1. 0
      24 July 2025 09: 56
      In fact, the Caucasus Mountains were filled in from waste rock obtained during the excavation of the Black Sea.
      Well, there's a little left for the Himalayas...
  18. -2
    23 July 2025 19: 35
    Azerbaijan borders on two sides with unfriendly states, on the third side - the Caspian Sea, the exit from which is controlled by Russia, and on the fourth side - mountains and Armenia. The economy of Azerbaijan hangs on the thread of an oil pipe, which is easy to block, therefore, reading about the conquering ambitions of the Azerbaijani government, the question arises, who suffers from inadequacy, the author, or G. Aliyev
  19. +5
    23 July 2025 20: 22
    Quote: Olgovich
    And who created these NEVER-previously existing "states", invented ancient noble stories for them and hammered this nonsense into their heads?
    On May 27, 1918, members of the Muslim faction of the Transcaucasian Sejm decided to proclaim the independence of Azerbaijan, declaring themselves the Provisional National Council of Azerbaijan. On May 28, 1918, the National Council issued the "Declaration of Independence" and proclaimed the independent Azerbaijan Democratic Republic (ADR). On June 4, a peace and friendship treaty was concluded between the ADR and Turkey, according to which Türkiye was obliged to "provide armed assistance to the government of the Republic of Azerbaijan."
    Where did you find the Bolsheviks here?
  20. +3
    23 July 2025 20: 25
    Quote: Olgovich
    And who invited the Nazi Grushevsky, who invented this nonsense, to the USSR to preach this nonsense?
    And who invited him to the Russian Empire to preach this nonsense?
  21. +2
    23 July 2025 22: 27
    Nobody respects us anymore. Who should we thank?
    1. +1
      23 July 2025 22: 28
      Quote from Matsur
      Nobody respects us anymore

      Are you talking about your rhinoceros? What is there to respect him for? laughing
  22. +1
    24 July 2025 07: 28
    Quote: Alexey RA
    so two of the three signatories of Belovezhskaya are precisely communists, flesh of the flesh of the CPSU.
    In 1991, they were no longer communists, even formally. And by that time, Yeltsin had even banned the Communist Party on the territory of the Russian Federation!
    Calling Yeltsin a communist in 1991 is like calling Lenin a social democrat (after all, that was the name of his first party).
    And in general, then we can say that the Bolsheviks were flesh and blood of the nobility: Lenin, Dzerzhinsky, Malenkov, Kuibyshev, Chicherin and many others were nobles.
  23. 0
    24 July 2025 11: 38
    No word about the Caspian Sea diggers? I'm disappointed.
  24. -3
    24 July 2025 17: 19
    Since when did Derbent belong to the Persians? It is the capital of the Tmutarakan principality of the Slavs
    1. +1
      25 July 2025 00: 33
      The capital of the Tmutarakan principality was Tmutarakan. wink
  25. 0
    25 July 2025 17: 43
    The author, as always, is "on fire" lol
    The Aliyev regime, with the support of Turkey, won the Second Karabakh War in 2020.
    If we take the journalistic systematization, then in 2020 there was the "Third Karabakh". The "Second Karabakh" was in April 2016 (a four-day war). But in reality there was neither the First Karabakh, nor the Second Karabakh, nor the Third Karabakh. The same single Armenian-Azerbaijani war, which Armenia started in 1992, is still dragging on. And it is still de jure not over.
    Another pearl from Samsonov
    In modern Azerbaijan, as in other post-Soviet republics, a myth about “Ancient Azerbaijan” was created.
    I wonder in which other post-Soviet republics did they create the myth of "Ancient Azerbaijan"? And most importantly, why??? Why, for example, would a post-Soviet republic... like, say, Estonia, create a myth of "Ancient Azerbaijan"??? request
    And finally
    claim the lands of historical Armenia.
    And what, is the Ancient History of Armenia more reliable than the myth of the Ancient History of Azerbaijan? In fact, it is not more reliable. It was only invented quite a long time ago and therefore has become ossified in the minds of many historians as a "historical fact".
    There is no authentic documentary evidence of "Ancient Armenia". The oldest document in Armenian, kept in the Armenian National History Museum, is dated 1609. AD, of course.
    That is, the Azerbaijani fantasists have someone to follow as an example. But the Armenians are in a better position. Their fantasies were made up a long time ago. And, as I already said, in the minds of historians they are considered "historical facts". And this means that every professional historian will grab by the throat anyone who demands documentary evidence of the history of Ancient Armenia... and not only that, but evidence of the Ancient history of any state for which it was made up 200-400 years ago.
    1. 0
      17 October 2025 02: 41
      The cauldron of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia brewed, brewed, and brewed, with the help of chefs from the north, new dishes and nations. There were several chefs, and the dishes didn't turn out quite as planned. But still. Enjoy your meal.
  26. 0
    25 July 2025 17: 47
    Quote: The Meaning of Life
    In 1991, they were no longer communists, even formally. And by that time, Yeltsin had even banned the Communist Party. on the territory of the Russian Federation!
    What, is the territory of Belovezhskaya Pushcha also the territory of the Russian Federation?
  27. 0
    25 July 2025 17: 50
    Quote: Dima68
    Azerbaijan borders on two sides with unfriendly states, on the third side - the Caspian Sea, the outlet of which is controlled by Russia, and on the fourth side - mountains and Armenia.
    Does Azerbaijan not have a border with Georgia on either side?
  28. 0
    25 July 2025 17: 53
    Quote from Wratch
    There are so many Sumerians, you can't move them to position N37 before Beijing. Ukrainian Sumerians, they are ancient and mighty Ukrainians, dug up the Black Sea, and what about the Azerbaijani ones? Really the Caspian???
    Oh, you haven't read the historical opuses of Saparmurat Niyazov. Otherwise you would know who dug the Caspian Sea lol
    1. 0
      27 July 2025 12: 32
      Black Sea, we dig further, Caspian...
  29. 0
    27 July 2025 12: 27
    Ajabs, the Turks called them, which means "not Arabs"
  30. +1
    27 July 2025 23: 46
    Ancient Azerbaijan? Where would they be if not for the Russian Empire?
    1. 0
      27 July 2025 23: 48
      Quote: Aleksandral
      Where would they be if not for the Russian Empire?

      I would answer the question where in rhyme, but the rules about swearing don’t allow it.
      1. +1
        27 July 2025 23: 49
        I support you from the bottom, under the heel of Turkey!!!!!
  31. -1
    22 August 2025 19: 00
    and Putin is now kissing them, congratulating these gopota
  32. 0
    17 October 2025 02: 36
    In the Russian Empire, many peoples from the outskirts were called Tatars. Perhaps it was better that they split into different nations. Otherwise, half of Russia would have been Tatars.
  33. 0
    16 December 2025 19: 16
    Azerbaijan consists of 5 regions.
    And we can state the fact that Azerbaijan and Armenia are part of Persia with European connections.
    Time will tell how far this European influence will extend toward Iran. But it would be better if these European ties disappeared or remained at the same level.