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Reasonable offer from Ramzan Kadyrov?

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After the article of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov’s article in the Izvestia newspaper that it would be nice for some categories of officials to ban departure from Russia for a certain time, led to a heated debate. Information that Kadyrov also found himself in a certain secret part of the so-called “Magnitsky list” made even greater emphasis on the head of Chechnya. Like, aren't those ex-officials from among those who identify themselves with the non-systemic Russian opposition, whom Kadyrov mentioned in his article, asked their American friends to put the name of the Chechen leader on the “black list” - no matter how that happens - to prevent the blow, so to speak, which Kadyrov himself decided to inflict on the "non-system" a la Nemtsov and Kasyanov.


Reasonable offer from Ramzan Kadyrov?


Initially, the meaning came down to that: who is this Kadyrov anyway? Why is he suddenly in a clean and verified Russian language has given material that is far from the competence of the head of the regional level. Like, let them establish order in their republic, and keep their proposals on the federal policy with them. But when the initial heat of Kadyrov's Russian literary sleep was asleep, common sense began to wake up. And this sense is that although there is no unequivocal opinion about Kadyrov’s identity in Russian society, his proposal on the restriction on certain officials who are close to state secrets to travel abroad is hardly worth ignoring. If we assume that the words of the head of the Chechen Republic that ex-officials of a certain level need to be banned from touring Europe and the world for several years after leaving office, are a priori devoid of common sense, then another picture emerges. It turns out that the state is ready to impose 5-year restrictions on leaving Russia, for example, to the ordinary Internal Troops or the Strategic Missile Forces, who were discharged from the conscription service, but not ready to impose similar restrictions on the movement around the world, for example, the ex-deputy Security Council secretary, ex-minister of defense or a whole ex-prime minister, who by definition were privy to state secrets of the country. Someone to a lesser extent, someone more.

If this is the current state logic, then, rather, it seems like the complete absence of such logic, because in the ordinary Strategic Missile Forces the connection with the state secret is by definition a thousand orders lower than that of a major government official. And in this case, the words of Kadyrov, even if in a sufficiently corrected form as some kind of third-party person, cannot be called nonsense.

By the way, it is worth paying attention to the fact that the very absence of any prohibitions on “touring” around the world (as Ramzan Kadyrov himself expresses in his material) for ex-high-ranking officials gives rise to an interesting precedent. This precedent is made in the following: as soon as a major official is grabbed, as they say, for a soft spot, incriminating violations of the law, or simply dismissed from public office, so this person in 9 cases from 10 declares himself a supporter of irreconcilable opposition and by all means tries to break through to the side of the West, in order to convey to potential defenders of their wounded soft spot how severely he was offended in Russia, and that for that Russia must be punished without fail. According to this scenario, Mikhail Kasyanov, Boris Nemtsov, Boris Berezovsky found themselves in the camp of the irreconcilable opposition. And according to the same scenario, they began to "tour", asking for their "show humiliated and insulted" foreign funding.

Undoubtedly, the West could refuse moral and material support to these gentlemen, but, as we see, it does not refuse. Question: why? And here, we must pay tribute to Kadyrov, and the answer to this question. The West does not deny them absolutely because supporting “oppositionists”, thirsting for this help, kills two birds with one stone: feeds the world community with words about supporting democracy, rights and freedoms in Russia, and also, obviously, uses informational fruits that “guest performers” and are provided.

Well, after all, hardly anyone seriously believes that the UK sheltered Mr. Berezovsky on its territory solely because Boris Abramovich felt humanly sorry, for example, to Her Majesty or the Prime Minister. No matter how Berezovsky and Her Majesty wanted to meet, but she did not honor him with her attention, but it must be assumed that the staff of the British MI-6 paid tribute to her, not without the help of which (MI-6's attention) Boris Abramovich and could find herself in the world of forefathers ... As they say, all the necessary informational juices from Platon Elenin (as Berezovsky called himself in the United Kingdom) were squeezed out, and as soon as the BAB began to glance in the direction of Russia with some incomprehensible British special services with reverence, he was decided ... But this is just author’s houses ly ...

Former Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin continues to actively move around various economic and political areas of the planet. At the same time, it should be assumed that Alexei Leonidovich is completely deprived of information about the secrets of the country's financial security, and all the more it is to assume that Russia has no such secrets at all - at least, it is naive.

All this information allows Mr. Kudrin to create a cacophony of opinions about the development of the Russian economy somewhere in the international economic forum. Example: government officials say that next year’s economic growth in Russia will be at least 3,6%, and therefore foreign investors should invest in Russia, but at the same time, Mr. Kudrin launches his “violin”, which puts all the words of the authorities to obstruction, declaring that, they say, do not tell my slippers: what 3,6%! 2% at best ... Gentlemen Europeans, do not believe them, believe me. As an ex-minister-oppositionist, I know more of these “milk-suckers”! And gentlemen, the Europeans, no matter how much the official representative of the Russian Federation will bow to them, they will listen precisely to the words of Mr. Kudrin - they say, indeed, since he was fired, it means that his information will help us exactly ... And, apparently, it helps on the ground ...

Of course, the idea expressed by Kadyrov may seem to someone to be paranoid, a new hanging of the “iron curtain”, a return to the era of bans on the movement of citizens of a country. They say that if, for example, we prohibit Nemtsov from leaving the country, it’s just right for the Americans to return the Jackson-Vanik amendment ... But seriously, what is wrong with Kadyrov? The fact that people who are connected with state secrets and who left their state office should not forget about their obligations to the state? So what's the problem - not ready to live in Russia for several years after the end of its “bureaucracy” - for God's sake - let the bureaucratic cup pass by you ... As they say, we don’t have irreplaceable ones - there will be those for whom such a condition of high government office will seem quite normal.

Well, in fact, for some reason, the ex-director of the CIA or former Pentagon chiefs after their resignation are not sent, for example, to China asking the CPC Central Committee to give them money to step up the struggle for democracy in the United States. One can imagine what kind of anger this would cause in the States, and what words would call these people. Would they give them back? - big question. It is unlikely to be alive ... And we, you see, on the “guest performers” opposition members who beg for money to observe our rights with you abroad, are not ordered to be angry - they say, freedom of speech, democracy and all that. And what is the selective attitude to freedom?
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  1. kostella85
    kostella85 April 16 2013 07: 30
    95 th
    ex-officials of a certain level need to be banned from touring Europe for several years after leaving office


    And Kadyrov forbid a visit to Mecca and Medina !!! smile
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 16 2013 07: 54
      33
      And everybody minus me, Kadyrov from Dubai and the UAE will not come out at all, and as you know, these countries are the best friends of the USA !!!
      1. Pule
        Pule April 16 2013 08: 17
        +8
        because he is in the position ... has the right.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 16 2013 08: 26
          22 th
          Here, just the whole problem, he then in his position "posthumously @? But" cares "about others ...
          1. cerko
            cerko April 16 2013 08: 49
            +4
            or maybe he is there as a Cossack screened, maybe to say they form their opinion about us
            1. Kolya
              Kolya April 18 2013 08: 32
              +8
              The ban on travel abroad state. officials would have been sorted away by opportunists from power and the rush of real patriots into power, opportunist corruptionists could not stand the infringement of their personal interests. Someone will say: we will lose educated people in the state apparatus. I will say: an inexperienced and uneducated decent man, a patriot can be taught, but you can’t fix a corrupt, educated, crafty nits.
            2. Dmitro
              Dmitro April 19 2013 21: 22
              -4
              If he forms an opinion, then only about himself as a silly guy. What is his discussion with a young Chechen in Jordan worth when Kadir Ramzanov could not convince himself of the right choice of refusing a war with Russia, having exhausted his primitive arguments, he found nothing better than to attach to the hairstyle of this young Chechen. Just frost! At the same time, it must be admitted that the young Chechen, too, did not shine with common sense and intelligence. There they all form a different opinion about the Chechen people as stupid idiots. Such things
            3. DPN
              DPN April 20 2013 21: 23
              0
              We also have slacks, change places and nothing approving
          2. воронов
            воронов April 17 2013 18: 25
            +9
            Quote: kostella85
            he then in his post "posthumously

            But why is Kadyrov really bad for you? He still has no worthy alternative in Chechnya. Ramzan needs to be thanked at least for having stopped the full-scale hostilities in Chechnya and sent not one hundred bandiuk to visit Allah. Or do you want again, so that our boys would travel in packs of two hundred from Chechnya, as they had in their time?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 17 2013 19: 04
              +4
              I don’t want to offend anyone ...
              Let's just consider this fact "through the prism" of the fate of General Slashchev ...
              hi
            2. V. Ushakov
              V. Ushakov April 20 2013 07: 27
              +2
              If they fought right away, how to fight, there would be no "two hundredth packs" at all. But - they stole - as it should, they fought, they betrayed ...
          3. ildar335
            ildar335 April 17 2013 23: 30
            +2
            there is a "rule" that was established at one time: s ... or, leave most of it in the republic!
            yes, put yourself a 3-storey, brick house, etc., BUT most of your sleep ... you will leave in a "house" in a (Muslim) republic.
            I consider this "rule" to be the most necessary for everyone, from family to country!
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter April 16 2013 08: 26
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        Quote: kostella85
        And all are minus me

        I didn’t minus, but I suppose - Kadyrov does not have access to information constituting a state secret, therefore, restricting his exit does not make sense to him.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 16 2013 08: 31
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          Quote: antiaircrafter
          Kadyrov does not have access to information constituting a state secret


          belay wassat He is the head of the region (and the general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs), he has the first admission group !!!!!!!!
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter April 16 2013 09: 14
            -3
            Quote: kostella85
            he has the first admission group !!!!!!!!

            Why did he have such happiness?
            1. kostella85
              kostella85 April 16 2013 09: 32
              21
              Quote: antiaircrafter
              Why did he have such happiness?


              For me, as the head of the department of the defense enterprise, I had a 2 group (I barely got it off of the first one), and Kadyrov, as the head of the region, had 1 group, so it should be. After all, he owns strategic information: he is present at meetings of the government, the State Council, various colleges, in addition, he owns information on the deployment of troops, information on hydro and energy arrangements, ........

              I hope answered your question!
              1. Heccrbq
                Heccrbq April 16 2013 09: 59
                +5
                Is it true or something? Do you think he understands something at these meetings? Again, if you listen to his interview on the above topic, you are surprised at this stream of consciousness, it’s dumb like a cork! In general, any pearls of this academician and Hero of Russia (pah fuck - how disgusting) they cause only disgust, well, the vovchik calculated everything, this hero in tricans is very suitable for his role.
                1. kostella85
                  kostella85 April 16 2013 10: 11
                  +8
                  Quote: Heccrbq
                  Is it true or something? Do you think he understands something at these meetings?


                  This "cunning fox" understands everything, the meeting is not an interrogation, it is during interrogations they are: "pa ruski ne panimat" !!!
                2. datur
                  datur April 16 2013 14: 38
                  0
                  Well, Vovchik calculated everything, this hero in tricans is very suitable for his role. - Everything is correct. Kadyrov is just a pawn in the hands of the GDP !!! (as long as necessary) the time will come and they will donate it !!! such is the fate of all pawns !!!! yes
                  1. воронов
                    воронов April 17 2013 18: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: datur
                    all right kadyrov is just a pawn

                    Put "not a pawn", then you look again our boys XNUMX from Chechnya will reach
                    1. kostella85
                      kostella85 April 17 2013 19: 27
                      0
                      Dear VORONOV, I'm not against it, let him reign calmly there, even FOR. Before coming out with such all-Russian initiatives, Doctor of Economics Kadyrov would have read, at least for the general development, the last law of 97 (this is at the time when he and his dad were increasing the freight turnover "200") that his ingenious idea is contained in article 14 of this document and is regulated by the ORDINARY labor contract!

                      PS My negative comments are associated with "a large number" of Kadyrov on TV, before making such statements, let them take the weapons from the locals (I mean "combat")
                      1. kostella85
                        kostella85 April 17 2013 20: 12
                        0
                        I apologize, not article 14, but article 24

                        By the way, the list of posts - 16 article
                      2. Dmitro
                        Dmitro April 20 2013 18: 50
                        0
                        There is so much Kadyr Ramzanov in the mainstream media due to the fact that he brought large sums to the capital's PR specialists. Now you will read and hear "his" initiatives (in fact, not his, but the capital's consultants, they invent all these gems). The task from Kadyr Ramzanov for PR people in Moscow is one - so that his name is heard and that Kadyr Ramzanov would appear like such an important figure in front of the Russians. Infa 100%
                3. tm70-71
                  tm70-71 April 16 2013 14: 43
                  +3
                  I don’t know what to call you (in the sense of your nickname. In Russian, Heck ... some), he’s a smart man, you shouldn’t be smarter about him.
                  1. saturn.mmm
                    saturn.mmm April 16 2013 19: 52
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                    Quote: tm70-71
                    , he’s smart man, you shouldn’t be smarter about him

                    No matter what they say or think about Kadyrov, clever or not, these thoughts do not in any way prevent him from rebuilding a republic, which many other regional leaders are not able to do.
                    It was not about Kadyrov as a person, but about a new law in Russia, which, if adopted, would affect Kadyrov himself.
                    And I consider Kadyrov’s proposal to be completely fair, everything should have reasonable limits and the liberal policy of the state too.
                    1. brelok
                      brelok April 17 2013 05: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      Quote: tm70-71
                      , he’s smart man, you shouldn’t be smarter about him

                      No matter what they say or think about Kadyrov, clever or not, these thoughts do not in any way prevent him from rebuilding a republic, which many other regional leaders are not able to do.
                      It was not about Kadyrov as a person, but about a new law in Russia, which, if adopted, would affect Kadyrov himself.
                      And I consider Kadyrov’s proposal to be completely fair, everything should have reasonable limits and the liberal policy of the state too.

                      all of Russia works for Chechnya! They themselves doubt that they have earned something. He himself needs to cover the exit and even think about the rest.
                      1. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm April 17 2013 10: 03
                        0
                        Quote: brelok
                        all of Russia works for Chechnya!

                        So I am about the same. It would be nice if, for example, in the Smolensk, Pskov, Vologda Oblast there were such leaders who sought to ensure that all of Russia worked in these areas.
                4. vjhbc
                  vjhbc April 16 2013 19: 48
                  0
                  it’s interesting to put in control the Chechens of any diminishing Kadyrov’s mind no matter how much he controls
                  Quote: Heccrbq
                  Is it true or something? Do you think he understands something at these meetings? Again, if you listen to his interview on the above topic, you are surprised at this stream of consciousness, it’s dumb like a cork! In general, any pearls of this academician and Hero of Russia (pah fuck - how disgusting) they cause only disgust, well, the vovchik calculated everything, this hero in tricans is very suitable for his role.
                5. shark
                  shark April 19 2013 15: 07
                  +2
                  Why are you looking for crime where it does not exist? All Kadyrov understands. He is essentially not a stupid person. It’s insulting that no one from the government, the security council, the State Duma has proposed this earlier. It’s insulting that the Chechen thinks more about Russia than many Russians. So soon you and I will not be the titular nation and it’s not clear by whom. What is happening to us all? what happens to those who control us (just don’t think, I’m not a white-handed hamster bastard) After all, they lived in the same country, went to the same camps in the summer, grew up in the same yards. It's a shame.
              2. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 April 16 2013 16: 58
                0
                "information on hydro and energy facilities"
                Oh ho ho ... It's already, you know, not a secret. I met a classmate here recently; he works in our energy management. And he told me ... Yesterday, power engineers, as it should be, drove idlers who were idle and curious about their facilities. But recently an order came from Moscow. Link all structures, substations, power lines by jeepsis and ... put the card in OPEN ACCESS !! So they did. Our energy sector has no more secrets. With what, dear comrades, I congratulate you ...
                1. vjhbc
                  vjhbc April 16 2013 19: 51
                  +1
                  Well, right, in the light of the upcoming war, Americans need to put targets for destruction into warheads, and what’s the other way around, to save God from accidentally damaging
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  "information on hydro and energy facilities"
                  Oh ho ho ... It's already, you know, not a secret. I met a classmate here recently; he works in our energy management. And he told me ... Yesterday, power engineers, as it should be, drove idlers who were idle and curious about their facilities. But recently an order came from Moscow. Link all structures, substations, power lines by jeepsis and ... put the card in OPEN ACCESS !! So they did. Our energy sector has no more secrets. With what, dear comrades, I congratulate you ...
                2. SASCHAmIXEEW
                  SASCHAmIXEEW April 19 2013 07: 49
                  0
                  The Germans also had our cards in the Great Patriotic War, from our publishers, so they stumbled on them (Susanins worked there)! From the memoirs of the Germans.
                  1. mch1950
                    mch1950 April 20 2013 13: 21
                    0
                    This is "to confuse our own people and confuse others" (M. Zhvanetsky)
                3. mch1950
                  mch1950 April 20 2013 13: 20
                  0
                  All this has long been laid out in open sources. Go into Google and you’ll find everything.
                  Satellites have been flying for a long time, and JP has been operating for a long time.
              3. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth April 16 2013 17: 43
                +1
                Quote: kostella85
                I, as the head of the department of the defense enterprise, had 2 group (I barely paid off the first)

                I, an ordinary, had the first admission group.
              4. Strezhevchanin
                Strezhevchanin April 19 2013 09: 27
                0
                Quote: kostella85
                I, as the head of the workshop defense enterprises - 2 group was

                Well then, be careful in the comments, the atoms themselves know what a find for spy hi
              5. Kuryanin
                Kuryanin April 21 2013 03: 21
                0
                I repeat the information about its territory. At government meetings, etc. by invitation only to discuss issues of his region and general known throughout the country. You worked a lot of secrets not related to your business.
            2. kostella85
              kostella85 April 16 2013 09: 38
              +5
              Quote: antiaircrafter
              Why did he have such happiness?


              based on the "Law on State Secrets
              (as amended by Federal laws of 06.10.1997 N 131-ФЗ,
              dated June 30.06.2003, 86 N 11.11.2003-ФЗ, dated November 153, 29.06.2004 No. 58-ФЗ, dated June XNUMX, XNUMX No. XNUMX-ФЗ,
              from August 22.08.2004, 122 N XNUMX-FZ,
              as amended by the Decision of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation
              dated March 27.03.1996, 8 N XNUMX-P, by the definitions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation
              from 10.11.2002 N 293-O, from 10.11.2002 N 314-O) "
            3. воронов
              воронов April 17 2013 18: 51
              +1
              Quote: antiaircrafter
              Why did he have such happiness?

              It’s not a matter of Kadyrov’s personality, but his position, and then there’s not even a desire to answer your stupid question
          2. yak69
            yak69 April 16 2013 10: 00
            16
            Quote: kostella85
            He is the head of the region (and the general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs), he has the first admission group !!

            Maybe he has the first admission group, but I doubt very much that Kadyrov should be given access to real and serious secrets.
            I am simply convinced that it is necessary in general to curb the freedom of movement over the hill of those who "got out into the people." Firstly, secrets, and secondly, you need to develop your tourist zones. We have a huge and beautiful country, it is necessary to take care of it and attract the attention of foreign tourists to us. This will bring all-round benefits - cash receipts and opinions about us will dramatically change in the world in a positive direction. And the positive image of our country in the West, for example, will knock the ground out of the world behind the scenes.
            Kadyrov, of course, didn’t dop himself before that - someone voiced the Kremlin sentiment through his mouth and now he is simply probing public opinion.
            Be that as it may, I personally am FOR!
            1. sibircat
              sibircat April 16 2013 10: 21
              15
              someone voiced the Kremlin sentiment through his mouth

              The mere fact that such moods appeared in the Kremlin inspires definite optimism.
              1. biglow
                biglow April 16 2013 19: 22
                +8
                Quote: sibircat
                someone voiced the Kremlin sentiment through his mouth

                The mere fact that such moods appeared in the Kremlin inspires definite optimism.

                each official to sew a GPS sensor tightly laughing
                1. Nikolai N
                  Nikolai N April 16 2013 20: 17
                  +9
                  What does the in the aft compartment laughing (I apologize for not holding back)
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz April 16 2013 10: 53
              +3
              Quote: yak69
              Quote: kostella85
              He is the head of the region (and the general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs), he has the first admission group !!

              Maybe he has the first admission group, but I doubt very much that Kadyrov should be given access to real and serious secrets.
              I am simply convinced that it is necessary in general to curb the freedom of movement over the hill of those who "got out into the people." Firstly, secrets, and secondly, you need to develop your tourist zones. We have a huge and beautiful country, it is necessary to take care of it and attract the attention of foreign tourists to us. This will bring all-round benefits - cash receipts and opinions about us will dramatically change in the world in a positive direction. And the positive image of our country in the West, for example, will knock the ground out of the world behind the scenes.
              Kadyrov, of course, didn’t dop himself before that - someone voiced the Kremlin sentiment through his mouth and now he is simply probing public opinion.
              Be that as it may, I personally am FOR!

              Yes, of course there are beautiful places, but develop it, do not develop, while it will be cheaper to go to rest in warmer places, with better service, no one inside will rest.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop April 16 2013 17: 11
                +3
                Quote: Yeraz
                Yes, of course there are beautiful places, but develop it, do not develop, while it will be cheaper to go to rest in warmer places, with better service, no one inside will rest.
                This is all as long as high-ranking officials (and retired - including) do not care deeply for all domestic resorts combined. If they have ever been there, they are only in their early youth. And in the foreseeable future they do not plan to visit again. And how will the restrictions on departure begin - that's how they will take care ...
            3. воронов
              воронов April 17 2013 19: 16
              0
              Quote: yak69
              but I doubt very much that Kadyrov should be given access to real and serious secrets.

              Kadyrov, like any head of a republic that is part of the Russian Federation, has access to information constituting state secrets; he is simply obliged to have such access, at least in case of announcement of general or partial mobilization, as the head of the republic he knows about the deployment and number of military units in his territories, as a rule, any large-scale anti-terror special operations are carried out with its approval, and much more that Kadyrov knows as the head of the whole Russian region. You also should not forget that Kadyrov is the acting major general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and it’s not a matter of personality Kadyrov, and in his position.
              1. Kuryanin
                Kuryanin April 21 2013 03: 28
                0
                [Also, one should not forget that Kadyrov is the acting major general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the matter is not in the personality of Kadyrov, but in his position. [/ Quote]
                He cannot be acting. Upon assuming the post of head of the region, you resign from other posts.
          3. Leisure
            Leisure April 16 2013 13: 37
            +1
            And surcharge for privacy.
          4. Kuryanin
            Kuryanin April 21 2013 03: 15
            0
            Do not carry nonsense. He knows only about his region the rest for him at the level of rumors, and he is not a general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, he is the head of the region or do you think that he is part-time in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so thank God it is prohibited by law.
        2. воронов
          воронов April 17 2013 18: 44
          0
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          Kadyrov does not have access to information constituting a state secret,

          Are you serious, or so joking, the head of the republic, Major General of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation (among other things, full-time, active, not in stock and not retired), does not have access to information composing state secrets ??? But do you know that even the MVD Opera, regardless of rank, even upon retirement, may not immediately issue a passport, but they will cheat for some time.
      3. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 16 2013 08: 43
        +1
        Quote: kostella85
        Kadyrov from Dubai and the UAE does not climb at all

        he goes with horses to horse racing, otherwise you didn’t know.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 16 2013 08: 48
          +1
          Quote: djon3volta
          he goes with horses to horse racing, otherwise you didn’t know.

          smile That is, to the Saudis (after retirement) Kadyrov can go to the races, but not to London?
        2. domokl
          domokl April 16 2013 09: 19
          37
          An interesting proposal and the main one is very correct ... Indeed, the stupidity is that Private Vasya Pupkin, having served in the Strategic Missile Forces or the 15 air defense for years, sucks his paw .. And then, with a fool, he gets a plumber at a number factory .. And in general, the border for him is the castle ... And federal officials who treasure for any intelligence hang out around the world like in an ice hole ... But sometimes the information is worth so much that you didn’t have to steal until retirement ... And so you will become a millionaire for sure ...
          Kadyrov put forward the right proposal ... Above the post, you rest longer in your own country house after the resignation ...
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel April 16 2013 09: 29
            11
            Lord! What is the argument about? In our century of wild, underdeveloped capitalism, the CIA was left unemployed. Entire departments are overwhelmed. Why get information when there are queues with this information, at least arrange a tender who is cheaper. Is not it, gentlemen?
          2. kostella85
            kostella85 April 16 2013 10: 33
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            Vasya Pupkin, having served in the Strategic Missile Forces or Air Defense for 15 years, sucks his paw .. And then, with a fool, he gets a plumber at a number factory .. And in general, the border is locked for him


            Don't be silly, in 2006-2008 I worked at Kurganpribor-A as a shop manager (2nd group of admission). At the same time, the restriction for group 2 (out of 3) was one: 10 days before departure, you must write an application to the local FSB body, and all go wherever you want! The first group is a little more complicated, there is a passport 3 years will not give!
            1. sibircat
              sibircat April 16 2013 11: 40
              +2
              RUSSIAN FEDERATION OF STATE SECRET LAW:
              Article 24. Restrictions on the rights of an official or citizen admitted or previously admitted to state secret.
              An official or citizen who has been admitted or previously admitted to state secret may be temporarily restricted in his rights. Restrictions may concern:
              the right to travel abroad for the period stipulated in the employment contract (contract) when registering a citizen's admission to state secret

              http://base.consultant.ru/cons/cgi/online.cgi?req=doc;base=LAW;n=121414
              1. kostella85
                kostella85 April 16 2013 12: 04
                +1
                So that's about it !!!! All this is governed by current legislation !!!
            2. maximus_1974
              maximus_1974 April 16 2013 16: 44
              +6
              I tell you as a serviceman, with a third uniform, it happens that the military leaves, but if the uniform is higher than the kerdyk, rest only in Sochi, despite the fact that we took the Oath to the Fatherland, I’m sure the deputies of the State Duma know me much more and can seriously harm the Fatherland, but for Cardon twice a year. In general, to hell with them, they would have built hotels on the Black Sea for the military, so that no worse and no more expensive than Turkish, and every soldier could easily get a ticket for himself and for the whole family, I would have been a foreigner to this, otherwise I I have been serving for 3 years, but always have a rest.
              1. воронов
                воронов April 17 2013 20: 30
                +4
                Quote: maximus_1974
                I tell you as a serviceman, with a third uniform, it happens that the military leaves, but if the uniform is higher than the kerdyk, rest only in Sochi, despite the fact that we took the Oath to the Fatherland, I’m sure the deputies of the State Duma know me much more and can seriously harm the Fatherland, but for Cardon twice a year. In general, to hell with them, they would have built hotels on the Black Sea for the military, so that no worse and no more expensive than Turkish, and every soldier could easily get a ticket for himself and for the whole family, I would have been a foreigner to this, otherwise I I have been serving for 3 years, but always have a rest.

                I confirm that I served 30 years in the army on calendars, in 2009 He resigned, was not traveling, in January he only received a passport, planned to visit Israel (holy Christian places), was already wrapped up at the airport, and there were no taxes, no debts or taxes, but they whispered in his ear, present claims to my local regional FSB. I came home, for explanations I moved to my local FSB chief, there’s a thirty-five-year-old, well-groomed, well-fed, lieutenant colonel physiognomy, that he’s smiling, you say, comrade Colonel retired (and he emphasized especially in his retirement), to you, according to our we don’t have any pretensions, go even to visit Amers, I spat, I wanted to break my passport at home, my wife took it and hid somewhere, rolled 200 grams, this was the end of my pilgrimage to the holy places.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker April 17 2013 20: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: voronov
                  I confirm that I served 30 years in the army on calendars, in 2009. retired ..., rolled up 200 grams, on this my pilgrimage to the holy places ended.

                  My respect ...
                  hi
            3. lab29
              lab29 April 16 2013 18: 32
              +2
              You can have at least some admission group, the main thing is not to use documents of the SS category. And go wherever you want. But you use it, you get 20% of your salary, then stay at home. JSC "Sevmash"
          3. APASUS
            APASUS April 16 2013 18: 33
            +9
            Quote: domokl
            Kadyrov put forward the correct proposal.

            Correct, but not complete!
            An official cannot have citizenship of another state!
            The official does not have the right to have foreign bank accounts, as well as real estate abroad!
            An official must report on income and EXPENDITURE!
            An official must have a Russian "first" education
            All rules should apply to first-line relatives !!
      4. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 16 2013 16: 53
        +5
        Kadyrov’s proposal is smart and good. I am sure that he also took into account himself. So for every visit to these places at the post, if his proposal is accepted, he will have to provide a justification separately and report after the trip. And who should - let them check and more closely. Deny, as you wrote, is unwise. But strictly control is the most. They will be dismissed from the post - and it will be impossible for him, that's all.
      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 17 2013 00: 07
        +2
        Quote: kostella85
        And all are minus me

        if you yourself do not understand, then there is no sense

        Quote: kostella85
        Kadyrov from Dubai and the UAE

        it has no relation to Mecca and Medina, where did you study geography?
      6. Kuryanin
        Kuryanin April 21 2013 03: 09
        0
        Kadyrov is a regional official and, therefore, is not a carrier of Russia's strategic secrets. We are talking about federal officials who know secret information about the entire territory of the Russian Federation.
    2. artist-mamluk
      artist-mamluk April 16 2013 08: 40
      20
      MEKKA - A holy place for every Muslim, People go there for the spiritual.
      And our bureaucrats go there where about spirituality and did not hear. For them, the holy temple is a European or American bank. You put the wrong place as an example kostella85.
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 16 2013 08: 43
        +5
        Quote: artist-mamluk
        . You put the wrong place as an example kostella85.


        I meant Saudi Arabia, to which the Russian Federation has many questions regarding the support of terrorism in our country!
      2. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx April 16 2013 14: 59
        +1
        Quote: artist-mamluk
        MEKKA - A holy place for every Muslim, People go there for the spiritual.

        During the Civil War in Mecca, the brainwashed of Muslims who, upon returning Basmachi in Central Asia, the same thing happened during the Chechen - explain to me, please, why do you think that is different now?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 16 2013 15: 03
          +4
          Quote: Ghen75
          During the Civil War in Mecca, the brainwashed of Muslims who, upon returning Basmachi in Central Asia, the same thing happened during the Chechen - explain to me, please, why do you think that is different now?

          stupid things !!
          In Mecca, no one is brainwashed if a person himself does not want to and does not go to visit Wahhabi sheikhs!
          mainly Muslims go to Mecca for pilgrimage, a must if possible for a Muslim!
    3. sibircat
      sibircat April 16 2013 09: 04
      +3
      “I just learned from journalists that I might be on some kind of“ Magnitsky list. ”As I heard this information, I returned the ticket to the United States and will never take it back,” the head of Chechnya said.
      I am a citizen of Russia, a patriot, I love my Motherland. I said that I "passed the ticket", I would never buy a ticket to America, even if I was not on this list, "Kadyrov said.

      13.04.13/XNUMX/XNUMX ria.ru
    4. Suhov
      Suhov April 16 2013 10: 06
      0
      [quote = kostella85] [quote = kostella85] ex-officials of a certain level should be banned for several years after leaving the post to "tour" in Europe

      And Kadyrov forbid a visit to Mecca and Medina !!! [/ quote]

      Kadyrov proposes preventive measures against ex-officials - the purpose of which is to reduce the likelihood of state secrets being handed over by former officials,
      And your proposal, to ban the incumbent official Kadyrov from visiting Mecca and Medina, looks like a punishment. Punishment for what?
      Do you think there is a difference between prevention and punishment?
      hi
    5. Suhov
      Suhov April 16 2013 10: 10
      +5
      Quote: kostella85
      ex-officials of a certain level need to be banned from touring Europe for several years after leaving office

      And Kadyrov forbid a visit to Mecca and Medina !!!


      Kadyrov offers preventive measures against ex-officials - the purpose of which is to reduce the likelihood of surrendering state secrets.
      Your proposal to ban Kadyrov from visiting Mecca and Medina looks like punishment incumbent .

      hi
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 16 2013 10: 20
        0
        The Muslim city of Mecca (Arabic: مكة Makka, also مكة المكرّمة Makka al-Muqarrama - Noble Mecca) is a city in western Saudi Arabia, about 100 km from the Red Sea, and Medina is located to the north in the area of ​​Hijaz.
      2. kostella85
        kostella85 April 16 2013 10: 24
        0
        Quote: Sukhov
        to ban the current official Kadyrov

        Kadyrov will always be active, he simply defiantly issued a TICKET in the USA, and made this statement. The question is, what is better than the Saudi Americans?
        1. Suhov
          Suhov April 16 2013 10: 44
          0
          Quote: kostella85
          The question is, what is better than the Saudi Americans?

          Nothing.
        2. potterz
          potterz April 16 2013 12: 19
          +6
          Yes let him ride! if he had planned anything, VV would have known everything for a long time! This is his man. And if he goes there on business, then certainly for the good of our country. For it is better for him to negotiate with the Muslims. IMHO
      3. Suhov
        Suhov April 16 2013 10: 41
        +7
        Quote: Sukhov
        Kadyrov offers preventive measures against ex-officials - the purpose of which is to reduce the likelihood of surrendering state secrets.
        Your proposal to ban Kadyrov from visiting Mecca and Medina looks like punishment incumbent .

        Apparently, the source of your minuses is the following contradiction:
        reasonable offer Kadyrov, on the one hand,
        and inadequate response on his proposal, on the other hand.
        hi

        Four большие the differences:
        preventive measures - punishment
        ex-officials - current officer
        wassat
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 16 2013 10: 53
          -1
          Quote: Sukhov
          Kadyrov’s reasonable offer,

          I just don’t understand the mechanism, who wants to leave, so he will leave without signing an order for dismissal in the personnel department (he is not considered formally dismissed)! This is all populism and nothing more !!!!
          1. Suhov
            Suhov April 16 2013 11: 03
            +4
            Quote: kostella85
            This is all populism and nothing more !!!!

            I mind!
            It:
            legal support
            physical ability
            legally
            to touch the villains ...
            laughing
            1. kostella85
              kostella85 April 16 2013 11: 17
              +1
              Quote: Sukhov
              I object! This: legal provision of physical ability to legally nail a scoundrel ...

              laughing


              We have a lot of beautiful laws, but with the mechanisms to ensure them, everything is very ugly! After all, if this initiative relates to the fight against espionage, right now you don’t need to go anywhere - there are social services. network, if the ban on the lives of clerks abroad (to do everything for a good life within the country) doesn’t stop him from blaming him on the last business day, and the ban on placing funds in foreign banks does not apply to branches of Russian banks abroad !!! !
              Conclusion:
              This is populism !!!!
              1. Suhov
                Suhov April 16 2013 13: 30
                0
                Quote: kostella85
                Conclusion:
                This is populism !!!!

                Time will tell!
                hi
    6. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga April 16 2013 15: 30
      0
      Quote: kostella85
      ex-officials of a certain level need to be banned from touring Europe for several years after leaving office


      And Kadyrov forbid a visit to Mecca and Medina !!! smile


      ex-officials of a certain level wiped their feet about Kadyrov, he was offended. Pots beaten with
    7. SSR
      SSR April 18 2013 19: 00
      0
      Quote: kostella85
      And Kadyrov forbid the visit

      Traveling in the composition of delegations, so to speak, is stupid and the composition should include employees monitoring the behavior of members of the delegation, but private touring.. officials who have access to classified information correctly .. should be prohibited to all.
    8. piksel
      piksel April 19 2013 00: 59
      0
      Kadyrov hardly has information about the serious secrets of Russia, but I respect you, I advise you not to blame your finger, but to express your opinion on the matter, what do you think about this.
    9. Dmitro
      Dmitro April 19 2013 21: 16
      -1
      Kadyr Ramzanov definitely brought a decent amount to the capital's PR specialists - as a result, we have seen the last year almost every week of publication in the media of various initiatives and proposals of Kadyr Ramzanov. On some resources, it is absolutely certain that special commentators accompany these publications. This is how they bring money to PR specialists, publish, make themselves an "important figure". Infa 100%.
  2. redwar6
    redwar6 April 16 2013 07: 35
    26
    And Kadyrov is well done, he holds well :)
    Indeed, it should be banned. Quite reasonable, otherwise it turns out "Gudkovs", and there are many of them ..
    1. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 April 16 2013 08: 07
      +8
      Of course he was well done, and even better done he was when at 16 he cut the throat of our soldier on camera under the hooting of his bandits. And now, even more well done, he drove to the end all the Russians intimidated the neighbors and put chich above all.
      1. sir
        sir April 16 2013 08: 16
        +3
        but this is another question. well, in the end, if there is a desire to become a krovnik
      2. redwar6
        redwar6 April 16 2013 08: 40
        +6
        I now wrote about a specific situation, and not about the first Chechen war.
      3. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 16 2013 08: 41
        +6
        Quote: redwolf_13
        at 16 he cut the throat of our fighter on camera

        I’ve heard it a million times, but I’ve never seen it. Have you seen this video?
        1. redwolf_13
          redwolf_13 April 16 2013 08: 48
          +1
          Yes, I saw more than once. Just do not ask where when and with whom. They then shot the records of the militants without fear and posed for the camera (like the Ghanaians in 41). Then, by these records and photos, many were multiplied by zero.
          This record lasted on YouTube was taken from the Al-Jazeera channel but was deleted after 2 days.
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 09: 34
            14
            redwolf_13You are probably a soldier or a special forces officer who was there ... I respect you guys, of course, but sometimes, you are so stupid that it’s impossible to endure! Your task is to fight when you are told by those who are ranked higher and are no less patriots than you. The state has many levers of influence on reality, besides military force.
            Believe me, Kadyrov also has many grievances against his former adversary, but if everyone (sorry) does not put his grievances in one place, then the state will not work! Okay, Alexey ?!
            1. mike_z
              mike_z April 16 2013 11: 03
              +1
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              if everyone (excuse me) doesn’t put his grievances in one place, then the state will not work!


              You are right, this is exactly the touchstone on which it is checked - a civilized state or a wild one.
            2. matross
              matross April 16 2013 11: 26
              -4
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Kadyrov also has many grievances against his former adversary

              From a bandit and a thug to the heroes of Russia (pah!) And the head of the republic? And the grievances are still not stuck? Maybe in the presidency of Russia, then we can beg forgiveness? Gold statue on Red Square ?!
              1. mike_z
                mike_z April 16 2013 11: 56
                +6
                Quote: matRoss
                Gold statue on Red Square ?!

                Of course not! It's not about personalities. Grievances of the PEOPLE against each other must be stopped, otherwise chaos and war.
                1. matross
                  matross April 16 2013 12: 40
                  +1
                  Resentment cannot be "stopped". You can forgive, forget, or shove it into one place as a Dagestani colleague suggested. But this is all play on words and rhetoric. On the whole, your idea is correct. Let them not take offense, give up banditry and go to work. In their historical homeland.
                  Quote: mike_z
                  otherwise chaos and war.
                  1. mike_z
                    mike_z April 16 2013 15: 06
                    0
                    Quote: matRoss
                    Let them not be offended, abandon banditry and go to work. In its historical homeland

                    Well, that’s exactly what I meant! You need to work! And there, the field is not plowed, and a lot of jobs can be created. In general, there is something to do.
                    1. matross
                      matross April 16 2013 15: 22
                      0
                      I am happy that I found a like-minded
              2. DAGESTAN333
                DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 12: 34
                -1
                Thinking too narrow! Tired of it. Want some arguments? - write in a personal!
                1. matross
                  matross April 16 2013 12: 46
                  -3
                  Maybe your arguments will not only interest me? Share it. And thinking - well, I'm sorry, dumb, I'm working on myself belay
                  1. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 13: 30
                    -1
                    I accuse you of not wanting to think.
                    Quote: matRoss
                    arguments will not only interest me? Share it.

                    - not worth it.
                    1. matross
                      matross April 16 2013 14: 53
                      0
                      Your "accusations" are absurd. And the arguments are probably missing. Don't waste other people's time reading bickering. All the best!
                      1. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 15: 29
                        0
                        Quote: matRoss
                        Do not waste other people reading bickering
                        - and I just do not spend. Have you read the message previously sent in PM? Please answer in PM too.
                      2. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 15: 47
                        0
                        As you understand, I have no arguments ... Everyone has something to remember. Let's look to the future.
              3. matross
                matross April 19 2013 00: 07
                0
                In the minus. Well Allah is with you. Tolerast further
            3. dmb
              dmb April 16 2013 21: 04
              0
              Sorry Magomed, but this is the rare case when I do not agree with you. Kadyrov is a bandit, at least according to the Soviet, at least according to the Russian code. A bandit is one of those opponents who have no right to be offended. It’s the same as for the Germans to recognize the right to take offense at the fact that when our people took them into the ring near Stalingrad, they died of hunger and cold there. Or do you think that the poor Chechen people were terribly oppressed in the 80 years, that they were forced to take up arms? You know very well that this is not so, and that not all Chechens acted like the bandit Dudaev, the bandit Udugov and the bandit Kadyrov.
              1. DAGESTAN333
                DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 21: 23
                0
                Dmitry, for us, most importantly, the ultimate good for the state. For the sake of this, we will tolerate the former murderers in the ranks of heroes, for the sake of this we will forget the thousands of dead civilians, and forget the numerous mutual atrocities. For the sake of the general, and the ultimate good.
                1. dmb
                  dmb April 16 2013 23: 01
                  +2
                  And again I can’t agree with you. The statesman himself. But now I don’t see the state in its understanding of what it was and should be. And therefore, can a gangster Kadyrov for the state. to be exact, it can and will be suitable for the power personifying it today, but not for the Russian people (regardless of their nationality). Do you not know what he and his associates in 99 responded to with the kindness of the Dagestanis in 94? Let me remind you that at the time of the invasion of gangs in Dagestan, he did not defend Russia at all. You give a guarantee that in case of aggravation he will not completely forget his friend Vova (and to hell with him), the oath of allegiance to Russia, and again will not be in Botlikh or Buinaksk on a far from friendly visit. Once betrayed, who will believe you?
                  1. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 23: 14
                    +3
                    Dmitry, buddy, believe me, Kadyrov, (apparently), the best candidate, in terms of strategy.
            4. rapid1934
              rapid1934 April 22 2013 18: 09
              0
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Your task is to fight when you are told by those who are ranked higher and are no less patriots than you

              Unfortunately, the higher the rank, the less patriotism and more betrayal! The good news is that this does not concern everyone. And from the top-loyal soldiers and commandos, columns can be built. hi
          2. Asgard
            Asgard April 16 2013 09: 42
            11
            I also saw (confirm) and here is such an abrek (hero of Russia)) the question is - in Russia - EVERYTHING IS NORMAL ???
            HIS daddy said - .. "kill Russians as much as you can" also became a "Hero of Russia"
            ...one more question - Does Russia need such "heroes" ??? and the power that about these "heroes" STAPLES awards ???
          3. consul
            consul April 16 2013 09: 44
            12
            Quote: redwolf_13
            Yes, I saw more than once. Just do not ask where when and with whom. They then shot the records of the militants without fear and posed for the camera (like the Ghanaians in 41). Then, by these records and photos, many were multiplied by zero.
            This record lasted on YouTube was taken from the Al-Jazeera channel but was deleted after 2 days.

            Plus to that-
            - By the decree of the President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria Aslan Maskhadov in 1997 "for courage and heroism shown in the fight against RUSSIAN troops ”, R. Kadyrov was awarded the title of Hero of Ichkeria and the Order“ Kyoman Turpal ”(“ Hero of the Nation ”) associated with it.
            Then-
            -Decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 1630 dated December 29, 2004 for courage and heroism shown in the line of duty, the First Deputy Prime Minister of the Chechen Republic Kadyrov Ramzan Akhmatovich was awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation with the award of a special distinction - the Golden Star medal (No. 839).
            as well as he-
            -General major of the police (10.11.2009). He was awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 4th degree (9.08.2006/2003/18.06.2005), the Order of Courage (2009), the highest award of the Chechen Republic - the Order named after Akhmat Kadyrov (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), medals, as well as orders and medals of foreign states, Honorary diploma of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (XNUMX).
            PhD in Economics (2006). Awarded a number of honorary titles: Honorary Citizen of the Chechen Republic (2003), Honorary Member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences (2006), Honorary Academician of the Academy of Sciences of the Chechen Republic (2006), Honorary Professor of the Modern Humanitarian Academy (2006), Honorary Professor of Chechen State University (2007) , Honored Worker of Physical Culture of the Chechen Republic (2003), Honored Worker of the Chechen Republic (2006).

            The first "reward" outweighs all the tinsel (that is how it looks) that is hung on it after.

            Hero of Russia Ramzan Kadyrov will head the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation ???
            This information was posted in Hydeparker blocker Lyudmila Tkachenko,
            Source: partbilet Author: Alexander Zhilin
            Very interesting information leaked from the Government of the Russian Federation.

            The other day, a meeting was held between Vladimir Putin and Ramzan Kadyrov. According to a source, the president of Chechnya very convincingly asked the country's prime minister to appoint him Minister of the Interior of Russia.
            The motive for this request is very patriotic: on the eve of or immediately after the election of the President of the Russian Federation, extremists (people) will try to destabilize the situation in the country.
            This is fraught with big shocks. To ensure the stable development of great Russia, the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs should be a man who, as they say, his hand does not flinch ...
            Vladimir Putin, as the guarantor of stability in the country, was sympathetic to this proposal and promised the patriot of Russia Ramzan Kadyrov to carefully study this topic.
            If this is true, then his hand just does not flinch in the Russian shoot, not the first time.
            1. redwar6
              redwar6 April 16 2013 09: 54
              +3
              Let's not raise the events of that terrible war in this topic, there is another topic for this.
            2. kostella85
              kostella85 April 16 2013 10: 03
              +1
              Quote: consul
              The first "reward" outweighs all the tinsel (that is how it looks) that is hung on it after.


              I agree! By the way, such "heroes" will generally discredit the state awards, especially such an honorable one as: "Hero of Russia", I'm not even talking about "services to the Fatherland", with this order in general a complete mess !!!!
              1. potterz
                potterz April 16 2013 12: 27
                +5
                you, many others who shame Kadyrov! And you move your brains! Well, it’s not for nothing that it’s all done! For peace in the republic and in Russia, such a man was needed! What is not clear here? Many condemn him (including me) for his past deeds! But there you need a leader just like his father was, and now he is! Or do you prefer VAR there and sending goods-200 !?
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey April 16 2013 13: 54
                  12
                  Oh, what a heated discussion formed.

                  I will support.
                  Quote: potterz
                  potterz


                  и

                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  DAGESTAN333


                  And who are the Kadyrov’s father and son? Who are the Chechen, Tatar, Dagestan, Russian Nazis? This is only a product of system 90 when everyone together reveled in freedom and independence.

                  Chechnya needed a leader like Kadyrov after Maskhadov. just like Putin Russia after EBN.

                  You talk a lot about the Chechen war of the first and second, and who visited Chechnya before the year 94? and what was going on there. The generation of militants grew from 92 after the collapse of the union and have been accustomed to impunity since 92. Has anyone seen people running away from Chechnya then?

                  Do you think that there is an unequivocal attitude towards Kadyrov now?

                  Dagestan confirm that even towards Imam Shamil in the Caucasus, the attitude is ambiguous. For some, he is a hero who was able to find a compromise and points of contact with the Russian Tsar and stopped the massacre, while for others he is a traitor to the highlanders.

                  And more ... They found courage in themselves. Father did not give up his words about kill as much as you can, but he also admitted that Chechnya was without Russian kirdyk. since there is no link.


                  The fact that Ramzan is obtrusive in Russian does not characterize him as a fool.
                  It is difficult to find a fine line between the Islamic and Sharia order, while Wahhabism itself suffocates without finding the ground for growth.


                  and about the ban on leaving - I say the case suggests.
                  1. Bekzat
                    Bekzat April 16 2013 14: 03
                    +1
                    For Sparrow, + Dear, they expressed what I was thinking.
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey April 16 2013 14: 22
                      +8
                      Quote: Bekzat
                      Bekzat


                      thank. I just try to look from different angles.

                      The main question was never asked.

                      Why did Kadyrov Sr. die?

                      I already wrote before - I repeat. if we do not begin to respect each other again and do not learn how to live side by side, then in general we will indiscriminately stand cancer in the same row and Chechens and Russians and Dagestanis and Bashkirs and all of them are all under the Chinese or Amer with their papuan democracy.
                    2. Earthman
                      Earthman April 17 2013 07: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Bekzat
                      For Sparrow, + Dear, they expressed what I was thinking.

                      Sorry fellow countryman, but will you ever learn to express your thoughts and position yourself?
                  2. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 14: 24
                    +4
                    Quote: vorobey
                    Dagestan confirm that even towards Imam Shamil in the Caucasus, the attitude is ambiguous. For some, he is a hero who was able to find a compromise and points of contact with the Russian Tsar and stopped the massacre, while for others he is a traitor to the highlanders.
                    - absolutely right. In his native aul (Gimry. There and now the hornet's nest of Wahhabism) they did not like him.
              2. Scythian 35
                Scythian 35 April 16 2013 21: 43
                +1
                I completely agree. The title Hero completely discriminated against himself. Russia after the award of Kadirov, in Ukraine after the award, gee gee, Rotaru !!! Grandmothers on stage to chop too heroic act.
            3. matross
              matross April 16 2013 11: 37
              +1
              Quote: consul
              PhD in Economics

              Not even a doctor! This is where personal modesty is wink There, like the Higher Attestation Commission for the examination of dissertations was excited, that’s the best candidate. It’s a pity they won’t check this without an economist’s team
            4. Beck
              Beck April 16 2013 14: 58
              +3
              Quote: consul
              If this is true, then his hand just does not flinch in the Russian shoot, not the first time.


              I will add. Ramzan's father, Akhmat Kadyrov.

              In 1994-1996, Akhmat Kadyrov took part in hostilities in the ranks of Chechen militants against federal forces. He was awarded the Order of Ichkeria "Honor of the Nation". In 1995, at a gathering of field commanders in the village of Vedeno, Dzhokhar Dudayev appointed Kadyrov the Supreme Mufti of the Chechen Republic. As the new spiritual leader of Ichkeria, Kadyrov announced JIHAD (holy war) of RUSSIA. According to some reports, he was one of the initiators of the creation of Sharia courts in the republic.

              After that, who is Ramadan? Traitor and son of a traitor. If this is hereditary, then in a changed situation (God forbid) another betrayal not in favor of Russia and other awards from the other opposite side may well follow. Then we will be surprised and indignant as today we are indignant at the occasion of Serdyukov. There is one thing in common between Ramadan and Serdyukov, both Kremlin proteges. And why listen to a man who speaks like a triple, PR does for himself.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey April 16 2013 15: 14
                +8
                Quote: Beck
                According to some reports, he was one of the initiators of the creation of Sharia courts in the republic.



                In 1998, I realized that I was mistaken. The fact is that I was opposed to the introduction of Sharia rule in the republic. And an opponent of the spread of Wahhabism.

                A. Kadyrov

                Beck, are you sinless and have never been wrong? The fact of the matter is that people make history and discuss them, alas, we are with you.

                Whom did Kadyrov senior betray = Islam? No
                He turned against Wahhabism. the so-called pure Islam.

                On October 10, 1999, by decree of the President of the CRI A. Maskhadov, Akhmat Kadyrov was dismissed from his post as a mufti with the motivation: “enemy of the Chechen people”, which “is to be destroyed”. Kadyrov did not recognize the decree and declared disobedience to the President of CRI.

                With the outbreak of the Second Chechen War, Kadyrov played a key role in the peaceful transfer of the majority of villages and cities in the Gudermes district of Chechnya to federal forces. In September-October 1999, Kadyrov announced his readiness to oppose the Wahhabis with arms in hand and, together with the field commanders, the Yamadayev brothers, declared the Gudermes and Kurchaloy districts of Chechnya “territory free from Wahhabism”, refused to participate in a new war with the federal troops of the Russian Federation.

                Beck are you tired of provocations? Or you do not own the topic. or a provocateur.
                1. Beck
                  Beck April 16 2013 15: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  Beck are you tired of provocations? Or you do not own the topic. or a provocateur.


                  What do you think of the provocation? Am I inventing something myself? What the Consul and I brought are reliable data. And everyone can treat them in his own way, but what does the provocation have to do with it?

                  Ideological people can be ordinary. Leaders should be ideological by default. Since without devotion to the idea, business cannot be made into leaders.

                  An ordinary ideological person can be mistaken. A leader who has made a career on an idea cannot be mistaken; he can only betray. And A. Kadyrov is the ideological leader. But betrayal is hypostasis, that is, not a one-time action. This is a character trait.

                  The act of Private 2 of the Shock Army, which surrendered, can still be somehow explained - by cowardice, cowardice, the action of enemy propaganda on which he changed the military oath. The act of the traitor, General Vlasov, cannot be explained in any way. As well as the surrender of Field Marshal Paulus. They are leaders, they should not have changed the idea, but shot themselves
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey April 16 2013 16: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: Beck
                    What the Consul and I brought are reliable data. And everyone can treat them in his own way, but what does the provocation have to do with it?


                    Once again quotes Kadyrov himself. but for starters your

                    »
                    Quote: Beck
                    Kadyrov declared JIHAD (holy war) of RUSSIA as the new spiritual leader of Ichkeria. According to some reports, he was one of the initiators of the creation of Sharia courts in the republic.




                    “The jihad was first declared at the end of 1994 by the then mufti Alsabekov. At that time I worked as his deputy and firmly believed that the advanced minds of the Chechen people had proclaimed an independent republic and that Russia, introducing its troops, wanted to suppress this independence. into the political situation of that time, without analyzing what happened under Zavgayev’s rule, shortly after Alsabekov left Chechnya, I continued the jihad he had declared "

                    "In 1995, on March 24, a congress was held with the participation of all Chechen generals - Yandarbiyev, Basayev, Maskhadov, where I was offered to lead the spiritual line of the republic. In April 1995, a congress of the Chechen people was held in Shatoi. There, in the name of Allah, I roused everyone to military action. Together with people I swore not to spare myself or my fortune in this war. To stand to the end. So I established jihad. "

                    “In 1998, I realized that I was mistaken. The fact is that I was opposed to the introduction of Sharia rule in the republic. And an opponent of the spread of Wahhabism

                    A very interesting, non-binding position - there is an opinion that ... So responsibility is relieved. And why are you silent how many lives of our guys he saved.

                    Quote: vorobey
                    With the outbreak of the Second Chechen War, Kadyrov played a key role in the peaceful transfer of the majority of villages and cities in the Gudermes district of Chechnya to federal forces. In September-October 1999, Kadyrov announced his readiness to oppose the Wahhabis with arms in hand and, together with the field commanders, the Yamadayev brothers, declared the Gudermes and Kurchaloy districts of Chechnya “territory free from Wahhabism”, refused to participate in a new war with the federal troops of the Russian Federation.


                    or you all do not read or learn only what is beneficial.

                    We saw the ideological defaults at a last night in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck April 16 2013 20: 35
                      -3
                      Quote: vorobey
                      or you all do not read or learn only what is beneficial.


                      Respected. The fact that Kadyrov surrendered his areas without a fight, then of course he saved many lives of soldiers of the Russian army. But this does not negate the very essence of betrayal. To use this, to save the lives of soldiers, it was necessary unconditionally. But what then was the Kremlin to raise the traitor to. The wars of Genghis Khan, too, took advantage of the traitors, but then broke their ridges. Of course, the 21st century is not 13, but to exalt traitors is anti-propaganda. Do not twist, but for today's soldiers and young officers there is now a precedent and not historical, but fresh, that you can betray your own and receive high awards and a great position from others.

                      And the memoirs of A. Kadyrov are like articles and notes by General Vlasov. This is an attempt to whitewash his betrayal with some lofty reasons.

                      In my understanding, if Kadyrov wanted to fight against Wahhabism, then he could successfully do it from the position of the supreme mufti, having power both secular (command) and spiritual (mufti).

                      Vlasov explained his betrayal by the fact that he wanted to fight against the Soviet government. So if he wanted, then it was necessary to fight from the nth years, and not to finish the Soviet military academies. I am not a supporter of the power of the Communists, but Vlasov gave the military oath and cheated on her. Do your duty first. Get a victory. And then, in the absence of the enemy, fight for your idea.
                      1. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 April 16 2013 22: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: Beck
                        This is an attempt to whitewash his betrayal with some lofty reasons.
                        - Beck, there’s no need for excessive philosophy ... Kadyrov’s allies for us, and that’s the point! But for some they are probably traitors, I do not argue. Surely, by moving to the side of Russia, they seriously violated someone’s plans. Those for whom the Kadyrov traitors are enemies of Russia! Those who want to drive a wedge into the fragile interethnic world in Russia are for us enemies! Beck, although you are a good conversationalist, but now your words cause me only strong suspicion and sharp hostility! My cons. Forced.
                      2. Beck
                        Beck April 17 2013 09: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        - Beck, there’s no need for excessive philosophy ... Kadyrov’s allies for us, and that’s the point!


                        Without philosophy, there would be no modern world. In any case, even at the subatom level, there is a philosophy.

                        Kadyrov’s allies? A traitor cannot be an ally in principle. Vlasov was not an ally to the Nazis, but a servant.

                        I repeat once again. At all times, they used the services of traitors to reduce losses. But at all times they were not exalted on pedestals.

                        My main thing I wanted to say. In combat conditions, everything but inhumanity must be used. But after all the events, it would not be worthwhile to exalt the Kadyrovs and give people an example that betrayal can be rewarded. That the Kremlin had no other people to put in power. So people always are.

                        And the disadvantages are that this is a masterful and purely personal matter. But in a dispute with adequate opponents, even if I do not agree with them, I do not put the minuses. Because I believe that my minus is the lack of my own arguments. Cons are inadequate, which apart from cheers, abuse, insults can not oppose anything.
                      3. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 April 17 2013 20: 25
                        +2
                        And yet, the disadvantages are set by pests. By your thoughts, you only bring outright harm to my state by driving another wedge into complex interethnic relations. Your reasoning is quite logical, but I feel that your intent is unkind. Are you an enemy ...
                      4. Beck
                        Beck April 17 2013 22: 10
                        +4
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        And also, the minuses put pests

                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        but I feel that your intent is unkind. Are you an enemy ...


                        Well. As always. Same. Again in the same call.

                        Simple communication, exchange of opinions, different opinions, suppression of points of view. Some think so, others that way, others awry. And as a result, peremptory YOU ARE THE ENEMY.

                        And why? Yes, because you don’t think like me, you don’t go like me, you look not where I am, you spend little need in the wind, and not like me. And these are all enemy manifestations.

                        I don’t like Serdyukov, I don’t like that Iran wants to take possession of nuclear weapons, I don’t like skinheads. And this is an enemy action.

                        I like Russia as one of the great countries. I like more than a thousand-year neighborhood with all the pros and cons. I like that we are building the EurAsEC. I like that they created the CSTO. But if you don’t like any particular governor, then everything - you are a warrior and everything else does not count.

                        I am comforting myself alone, because I believe that Russia has become Great because it has reasonably disposed of all historical possibilities. And a separate opinion, an individual, this my opinion will not change.
                      5. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 April 18 2013 11: 01
                        -1
                        If, what you say is true, then I admit that I'm wrong, and you are just a fool (which is easily fixable (do not think to be offended)). Why stupid, I can explain, but through the PM. But are you sincere?
                      6. Beck
                        Beck April 18 2013 14: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        If, what you say is true, then I admit that I'm wrong, and you are just a fool (which is easily fixable (do not think to be offended)). Why stupid, I can explain, but through the PM. But are you sincere?


                        Yeah. Your communication style is still the same.

                        At first - you are a pest, an enemy. Then a fool and stunning - just do not think to be offended.

                        I will answer according to yours. You are stunned, and do not think to be offended. And the PM is not needed.

                        In general, it is depressing that some in Russia, easily, casually, can give the stigma - Pest. Enemy. This says only one thing, that there are still people who can hang the hallmarks of the 30s in the 21st century. This means such people are ready to build Gulags in order to plant all the "pests" there. We are ready to erect a wall of bricks in order to shoot "enemies" at it. And all this without trial or investigation, but only because they themselves decided who is the wrecker and who is the enemy.

                        And this means there are still people who want to become assistants to the prosecutor Vyshinsky and heads of the firing squads at the People's Commissar Yezhov.

                        Anyway. Such people are not all Russia, absolutely not all.
                      7. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 April 18 2013 16: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: Beck
                        Yeah. Your communication style is still the same.
                        - Beck, but I said "If" ... That means I admit that I'm wrong. But I am still convinced that you are, at best, a pest. Do not think that I have nothing to prove it!
                        Quote: Beck
                        I will answer according to yours. You are stunned
                        - quite possible.
                        Quote: Beck
                        PM is not needed
                        - Why so? Are you afraid that your cunning pun, there will be no one to appreciate? Now I understand - if you were a fool (whom I meant) and a well-wisher, you would write me in a personal email and try to find out why I decided that you were a pest (I would, in any case, do that), and find yourself I’m wrong, I would gladly and publicly apologize to you. (Yes, I understand, there is so much honor for me alone ... and all that ... But still!). But you do not need this, you need people to get bogged down in the apparent complacency and goodwill of your words ...

                        Conclusion: Your words seemed harmful to my state, and I told you directly about this, I protested. Instead of persuading me (perhaps the reader) in your evil intentions (well, I can be elementary, make mistakes), you persistently shift the emphasis to my bias. This is what I find strange, and alarming me.
                      8. Beck
                        Beck April 18 2013 16: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Beck
                        I will answer according to yours. You are stunned, and do not think to be offended. And the PM is not needed.


                        DAGESTAN, excuse me for being stunned. I got excited, restrained, in a hurry. The most difficult thing is to admit your mistakes. I admit rude. The stupid answered rudely to an unpleasant word. Of course, it was necessary to answer, but not in this form. The rest is valid.
                      9. Beck
                        Beck April 18 2013 17: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Beck
                        Now I understand - if you were a fool (whom I meant) and a well-wisher, you would write me in a personal email and try to find out why I decided that you were a pest (I would, in any case, do that), and find yourself I’m wrong, I would gladly and publicly apologize to you. (Yes, I understand, there is so much honor for me alone ... and all that ... But still!). But you do not need this, you need people to get bogged down in the apparent complacency and goodwill of your words ...


                        And what will I write in PM to find out someone else's opinion of me? You are not a genius, not a scientific luminary, not a socially significant person so that I know what you think about me. Yes, think whatever you want.

                        My words are my words. You see one in them and ascribe to them some kind of meaning. But it’s not at all necessary that other people will ascribe to my words exactly your meaning. Each person will have his own understanding. And as a law, there will be those who do not agree. That is how it should be. And you did not protest with arguments, at least such that Kadyrov Sr. was an employee of the KGB and carried out the task, but simply hung a label as a wrecker and an enemy.

                        Look at the next branch, almost without exception, scolding Serdyukov. So what? They are also enemies. Since groaning the thief-minister, they undermine the piety and image of the state.
                      10. DAGESTAN333
                        DAGESTAN333 April 18 2013 18: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: Beck
                        sorry for the stunned
                        - Beck, insult, this is the only moment where I agree with you))) Do you think all this time I stopped respecting you? Those. "Stunned" from you, will not offend me, because I know that you did not say for the sake of an insult, and I do not suffer from self-importance.
                        Quote: Beck
                        You are not a genius, not a scientific luminary, not a socially significant person, so that I know what you think about me
                        - But to a simple person, what is weak to prove the absence of your malicious intent?
                        Quote: Beck
                        you did not protest with arguments, at least such that Kadyrov Sr. was an employee of the KGB and carried out the task, but simply hung a shortcut pest and enemy
                        - is it not enough for you (since you are not going to discuss uncomfortable things for us on your personal field) that I have outlined the danger of your reasoning for us?

                        (Beck, was it really impossible to transfer our "verbiage" to a personal?)
                      11. Beck
                        Beck April 18 2013 18: 52
                        +3
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        (Beck, was it really impossible to transfer our "verbiage" to a personal?)


                        I agree, a lot of words have been said, a lot of things are not understood as well and a lot of things have not been said. And why don’t you write in PM if the initiative comes from you.
  • kuga
    kuga April 16 2013 15: 09
    0
    I did not see that, it’s not clear where. And most likely just zvizdun.
  • Vasily T.
    Vasily T. April 16 2013 08: 43
    +4
    So much for equality before the law and the Constitution. Instead of bunks, the chair of the head of the republic.
  • DPN
    DPN April 16 2013 08: 56
    0
    This is constantly reminded of this in Karaulov’s military secret, which leads only to mutual hostility. This time the EBN has yet to smooth it out, he gave birth to these bandits, he promised them freedom. And then he drove to the slaughter of Russian guys from which we can’t get out a day.
    He proposes correctly, in Soviet times, the smallest person who served in the army could not go abroad for 5 years, which is possible except for; AKM; I did not see anything. Kudrin is the bearer of state secrets.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 16 2013 09: 45
      +2
      Quote: DPN
      in Soviet times, the smallest person who served in the army couldn’t travel abroad for 5 years,

      In Soviet times, in my opinion, no one went further than the "all-Union health resort" of Bulgaria (except for artists, security officers and diplomats)
  • Manager
    Manager April 16 2013 10: 20
    +1
    Quote: redwolf_13
    Of course he was well done, and even better done he was when at 16 he cut the throat of our soldier on camera under the hooting of his bandits. And now, even more well done, he drove to the end all the Russians intimidated the neighbors and put chich above all.


    I agree. Very quickly everyone forgot the frames on which our young children were cut off their heads. I do not in any way call for anything. On the contrary, God forbid. But still you need to remember who you are dealing with.
  • kuga
    kuga April 16 2013 15: 08
    +2
    He was 16 years old in 1992. Someone giggles.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 16 2013 15: 27
      +1
      good good

      As they say, the devil is in the details, but who pays attention to them.
  • Suhov
    Suhov April 16 2013 11: 21
    0
    Quote: redwar6
    Indeed, it should be banned. Quite reasonable, otherwise it turns out "Gudkovs", and there are many of them ..

    On the other hand, such an effective mechanism of "highlighting" the "Gudkovs" will disappear.
    And you yourself say that there are many of them.
    How can you "count" them later?
    request
  • vjatsergey
    vjatsergey April 16 2013 07: 36
    +6
    why didn’t this idea come to mind of big ranks in Moscow and was not realized in the law?
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 16 2013 07: 46
      +7
      Quote: vjatsergey
      why didn’t this idea come to mind of big ranks in Moscow and was not realized in the law?

      because at the beginning of the 90's all the laws were written to the tune of the American, in the presence of CIA agents and advisers.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 16 2013 08: 06
        12
        Quote: djon3volta

        because at the beginning of the 90's all the laws were written to the tune of the American, in the presence of CIA agents and advisers.

        And since the 2000s, who is in power and what was stopping and stopping them from adopting such a law?
      2. Apollo
        Apollo April 16 2013 08: 35
        +3
        Quote: djon3volta
        because at the beginning of the 90's all the laws were written to the tune of the American, in the presence of CIA agents and advisers.


        names of surnames of CIA agents, names and surnames of advisers, photos and video materials to the studio. Thereby you will render an invaluable service to the FSB of the Russian Federation.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta April 16 2013 09: 25
          0
          Quote: Apollon
          names of surnames of CIA agents, names and surnames of advisers, photos and video materials to the studio. Thereby you will render an invaluable service to the FSB of the Russian Federation.

          ask E. Fedorov.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 16 2013 07: 52
      +4
      Quote: vjatsergey
      why this idea did not occur to large ranks in Moscow

      Because the ranks in the future do not imagine life in Russia, because there they have money and real estate. Today on TV they talked about the real estate of deputies in Russia at the units, the rest there in the west.
      The ban is needed, if only because many will no longer go to the bureaucrats. They need a beautiful life, to waste money on the right and the left.
      One problem, if such a law is adopted ..... I do not believe that our deputies will limit themselves to something. Wrong category and wrong people hi
      1. Kaa
        Kaa April 16 2013 08: 20
        10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The ban is needed, if only because many will no longer go to officials

        A ban is needed: - do certain categories receive an additional payment for state secrets? - do they receive all kinds of allowances, do they have the opportunity to "promote business"? -have. It turns out that some rights without responsibilities. If you do not want to limit yourself to work and rest in your homeland, do not meddle with officials, such people do not need. In Russia, there are already 33 million state employees and officials (http://www.kp.ru/daily/26032.4/2948855/).
        It sounds pompous, but when you go to become an official, think, do you want to serve the people of Russia, or for this people to serve you? If the second is "Come on, goodbye ...", you can see the world with the help of travel agencies! negative
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 16 2013 14: 52
          +1
          Quote: Kaa
          The ban is needed: - do certain categories receive extra payment for state secrets?


          The coliseum turns out. surcharge is but no secret. he wanted to report to the ambassador of some very democratic Zanzibar; he wanted to come out in the Senate with revelations. I agree I do not agree with the political course - endure or leave.

          It's like a submarine you can’t get out where you want.
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter April 16 2013 08: 28
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I do not believe that our deputies will limit themselves to something.

        Do deputies have access to state secrets?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 16 2013 08: 33
          +5
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          Do deputies have access to state secrets?

          Even as they have, if the Minister of Defense should report to them, where they report on plans and the like.
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter April 16 2013 09: 09
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Even as they have

            Then all on a short leash and a muzzle !!!
      3. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 16 2013 08: 35
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Today on TV they talked about the real estate of deputies in Russia at the units, the rest there in the west.

        Do you mean, out of 450 diplomats, real estate abroad? Is this a lot for 143 million?
        Putin is in power, why ask if you know? Or do you think he personally writes and signs laws? And what has changed little since the 2000s?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 16 2013 09: 59
          +2
          Quote: djon3volta

          Do you mean, out of 450 diplomats, real estate abroad? Is this a lot for 143 million?

          But nothing that these 450 people are the legislative branch of Russia? Federation Council there wink
          Quote: djon3volta
          Putin is in power, why ask if you know? Or do you think he personally writes and signs laws?

          bu ha ha, And that Putin does not sign laws and does not introduce bills wassat
          One word 3 volts and no more laughing
    3. zart_arn
      zart_arn April 16 2013 07: 58
      11
      Big officials sleep and see themselves abroad. In general, it would be nice - if you come to serve the people - you get a big salary, but then you never leave the country with your family for 20 years. Then you will have to invest in your country "honestly stolen". wink
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 16 2013 08: 07
        11
        Quote: zart_arn
        Then the "honestly stolen" will have to invest in their own country.

        Then these clowns will not go into politics. Take away their immunity and half will not remain.
        1. SCS
          SCS April 16 2013 08: 27
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: zart_arn
          Then the "honestly stolen" will have to invest in their own country.

          Then these clowns will not go into politics. Take away their immunity and half will not remain.


          and maybe for the better hi ! will remain in politics and those will come who will serve the people, not themselves ....))
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 16 2013 08: 34
            +6
            Quote: SCS
            and those who will serve the people, and not themselves, will come

            Those who serve the people have a conscience, but they don’t let such people in or just clean them up.
      2. mark1
        mark1 April 16 2013 08: 28
        +4
        Quote: zart_arn
        In general, it would be nice - if I came to serve the people - you get a big salary, but then from the country then not a foot with your family for 20 years.

        Right! Dacha, "Volga", a free ticket to a sanatorium and 20 years of quiet life in the homeland with your family.
    4. krasin
      krasin April 16 2013 08: 21
      +3
      They can only raise their own salaries! But the idea is right, otherwise they will sell everything for the green. After the collapse of the USSR, whoever could have sold something.
      And if they leave, then no one is afraid of them, they will at least be afraid here.
  • Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator April 16 2013 07: 39
    20
    I correctly stated everything correctly. I can’t go abroad; my acquaintance in the Strategic Rocket Forces served an urgent term so he can’t leave for another 7 years. at least that !!! About 20 years no less than leaving !!!!
    1. Pule
      Pule April 16 2013 08: 23
      +1
      and how then to carry out counterintelligence on deceit ... not all who left are betraying their Motherland. That's what the "pike" is for ...
      1. artist-mamluk
        artist-mamluk April 16 2013 08: 43
        0
        Navryatli Kudrin holds backlighting. And Birch did not send us useful info.
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 16 2013 10: 04
      +1
      No need to be fooled, I’m a conscript of the Strategic Missile Forces, I had 27 secret documents in my safe (I was interrogated by the chief of the UKBS billing department), the ban was for 3 years, then I got a passport without problems.
  • Mitek
    Mitek April 16 2013 07: 40
    +4
    Quote: redwar6
    And Kadyrov is well done, he holds well :)
    Indeed, it should be banned. Quite reasonable, otherwise it turns out "Gudkovs", and there are many of them ..

    Yes, among the bureaucrats it has long been necessary to restore order. Yes, and the amount of this shit is excessive.
  • Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator April 16 2013 07: 41
    +3
    Quote: vjatsergey
    why didn’t this idea come to mind of big ranks in Moscow and was not realized in the law?

    They are working for their own benefit, but not the people and the interests of the country !!!
  • Urkodav
    Urkodav April 16 2013 07: 50
    -3
    You read our news and you feel uneasy from a flurry of ideas from the executive, legislative, and now from the regional authorities. Sometimes even they say everything correctly ... But doubts prevail:
    1. And why did they suddenly want to think about the country?
    2. What is the catch?
    3. If even good intentions, what does the idea mutate in Russian reality?
    In brought
    1. Atlon
      Atlon April 16 2013 08: 19
      +1
      Quote: Urkodav
      1. And why did they suddenly want to think about the country?
      2. What is the catch?
      3. If even good intentions, what does the idea mutate in Russian reality?
      In brought

      1. Everyone should think about the country! And who does not want to get out of service.
      2. No catch. We just lost the habit of NORMAL proposals from officials. The president must resolve current issues on petitions from citizens. Have come ...
      3. Russian reality is no worse than any other.
      Indeed, you were brought if you see a trick in everything ...
      1. Urkodav
        Urkodav April 16 2013 12: 33
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        1. Everyone should think about the country! And who does not want to get out of service.
        2. No catch. We just lost the habit of NORMAL proposals from officials. The president must resolve current issues on petitions from citizens. Have come ...
        3. Russian reality is no worse than any other.
        Indeed, you were brought if you see a trick in everything ...


        Clever, but not wise. Or you live on the moon.
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta April 16 2013 07: 50
    +6
    what do you think, why Navalny is not going to Chechnya to hold a rally and shout out enough to feed the Caucasus ..
    1. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 April 16 2013 08: 10
      +2
      But Kadyrov calmly offers to enter his special forces in Muscovy to restore order. But the federal government is silent. Think why
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 16 2013 08: 31
        +1
        Quote: redwolf_13
        But Kadyrov calmly offers to enter his special forces in Muscovy to restore order.

        I remember I remember how, before the rallies in 2011, Nemtsov distributed this rumor, do you believe Nemtsov? Like 6 thousand Kadyrovtsy have already been quartered))) I read this nonsense.
        1. redwolf_13
          redwolf_13 April 16 2013 08: 52
          0
          On the first channel after the performance of football fans. Kadyrov personally, giving interviews to journalists, complained about the softness of the Moscow police. And he proposed to introduce special forces "Vostok" into Moscow to suppress riots and protect the lives of the Chichenians and Muslim brothers from radical fascists. These are his words.
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta April 16 2013 09: 28
            -4
            Quote: redwolf_13
            And he proposed to introduce special forces "Vostok" into Moscow

            I liked how Assad and Mubarak suppressed rallies, especially Mubarak with machine guns. And how in 1989 in China, rallies were suppressed by tanks. good
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 16 2013 08: 12
      33
      By the way, about Navalny (As a flood repeat )
  • bureyat
    bureyat April 16 2013 07: 54
    +5
    Quote: kostella85
    ex-officials of a certain level need to be banned from touring Europe for several years after leaving office


    And Kadyrov forbid a visit to Mecca and Medina !!! smile

    Riding for religious reasons doing one ritual is one thing, and traveling to America and Europe deciding your financial affairs is different
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 16 2013 07: 56
      +4
      Quote: bureyat
      Riding for religious reasons doing one ritual is one thing, and traveling to America and Europe deciding your financial affairs is different


      That is, you can still travel to Israel and Rome for religious reasons !!!!
      1. Pule
        Pule April 16 2013 08: 29
        +4
        Only for you ... Kadyrov takes a post that involves political and cultural visits, and for the state budget. And the conversation is about the dismissed officials.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 16 2013 08: 39
          +2
          So the point is that he will NEVER fall into the category of "removed", but about "cultural" visits, so letting it "cultivate" people from the Chechen Republic in other regions of Russia !!!!
    2. opkozak
      opkozak April 16 2013 08: 23
      +1
      In the Russian Federation in 2013 it will be possible to introduce passports for the entry of citizens from the CIS countries. This was stated by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin, reports the radio "KommersantFM".

      Rogozin emphasized that it is necessary to tighten control at the borders with the countries of Central Asia, primarily with Tajikistan. A proposal to oblige CIS citizens to use international passports was made by Russian President Vladimir Putin last December as part of the presidential message to the Federal Assembly.

      Rogozin also noted that strengthening control with the CIS countries should help resolve the issue of a visa-free regime with the European Union. "We will never be allowed into Europe if we allow ourselves to have such a regime on our own borders," he said.
    3. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik April 16 2013 09: 58
      +2
      Riding for religious reasons doing some rites

      I saw your special task .. (their movie "The Diamond Arm")
  • servant
    servant April 16 2013 07: 54
    +4
    Well done Kadyrov! Why is a former soldier limited in right to 5 years with low access to classified information and officials who have almost all the maximum permissions (and they keep every piece of paper secret because they get good salary supplements for secrecy) travel around the world?
    1. Pule
      Pule April 16 2013 08: 36
      +3
      This question is answered daily by employees (all over the world) of the FSB. And it's just a job. It's not a secret matter, but the method of obtaining it. In the land of secrets, it is easier to obtain, difficult to take out More terrible for the country's economy are the "Kudrins" singing about its collapse. So they should be "extinguished".
  • Atlon
    Atlon April 16 2013 07: 56
    +7
    I propose to prohibit the travel of ANY officials abroad after leaving the state posts for the period of their stay in these posts! I think then, significantly fewer people will be willing to "get a job" in the civil service, and even fewer will stick to it as long as possible! In this case, some of our deputies will be restricted from traveling for LIFETIME! For example: Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky.
  • Vanek
    Vanek April 16 2013 07: 57
    10
    His idea, it seems to me, is not bad.
    Here is my wife, who worked in 195 VP of the RF Ministry of Defense. The point is that when applying for a job, she signed documents on non-disclosure of state secrets and for FIVE years AFTER dismissal, travel abroad is closed for her. This is despite the fact that she is a secretary.

    For officials involved in state secrets - an iron curtain and a point.

    My opinion.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 08: 24
      11
      Quote: Vanek
      For officials involved in state secrets - an iron curtain and a point.

      My opinion.

      The correct opinion!
      I recall how the former minister of the nuclear industry was arrested in Adam in Sweden !!
      this !
    2. sibircat
      sibircat April 16 2013 09: 38
      +1
      Your spouse didn’t work here:
      OAO Novosibirsk Aviation Production Association named after V.P. Chkalov "? smile
  • smart ass
    smart ass April 16 2013 07: 57
    +1
    Kadyrov rehabilitated after the incident with TERECOM))Hot caucasian guy
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 16 2013 08: 50
      +2
      Rather hotter Caucasian.
  • Vanek
    Vanek April 16 2013 07: 57
    +4
    His idea, it seems to me, is not bad.
    Here is my wife, who worked in 195 VP of the RF Ministry of Defense. The point is that when applying for a job, she signed documents on non-disclosure of state secrets and for FIVE years AFTER dismissal, travel abroad is closed for her. This is despite the fact that she is a secretary.

    For officials involved in state secrets - an iron curtain and a point.

    My opinion.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 16 2013 08: 05
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      The point is that when applying for a job, she signed documents on non-disclosure of state secrets and for FIVE years AFTER dismissal, travel abroad is closed for her.


      In 2006-2008 he worked at Kurganpribor-A as a shop manager (2nd group of admission). At the same time, the restriction for group 2 (out of 3) was one: 10 days before departure, you must write an application to the local FSB body, and all go wherever you want ...
      1. Vanek
        Vanek April 16 2013 08: 13
        0
        Quote: kostella85
        go wherever you want .....


        In the near abroad, yes. In the 12th year, we rode to Odessa without any problems.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 16 2013 08: 28
          0
          Quote: Vanek
          To neighboring countries


          Well, if Turkey is considered a Black Sea resort, then in the near ..... smile
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 16 2013 07: 57
    +6
    "Quod licet lovi not licet bovi" What Jupiter is supposed to do is not supposed to be a bull. It is possible to impose such a restriction on a soldier from a company guarding a strategic object. Although he saw nothing more secret than a camouflage net. And how high-ranking bureaucrats will limit themselves in something? Even if he does not deliberately run these secrets to spread. You can always substitute and blackmail such a person somewhere. They can do that. They did the same with very influential and famous figures, like Assange or the director of the IMF.
    But Kadyrov is right. Such a law is necessary. And if someone doesn’t like it, for God's sake. Go to a job, look for another job.
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 16 2013 08: 04
    +1
    the idea as a whole is not bad, it needs to be worked out.
  • deman73
    deman73 April 16 2013 08: 07
    +2
    For a long time it was time to do it so the cadres in this are 100% right
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 16 2013 08: 11
    -8
    Maybe it would be better to ban the Caucasians from leaving Kaukaz and send Ramzanchik to rot to Ahmadik?
    1. MVS
      MVS April 16 2013 19: 21
      0
      They wanted a new Caucasian war?
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer April 16 2013 08: 12
    +3
    I am for! Deny ALL stealing officials travel abroad plus confiscation of assets! And figures from the government - a long excursion to Chukotka!
  • DDR
    DDR April 16 2013 08: 18
    +3
    How is it possible! They worked so much "unbearably" on the laws, and after that they should live according to the same laws? Horror! belay laughing
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 16 2013 08: 22
    15
    We still have some incumbent officials and deputies, who are very sick of their own impunity, ride overseas and hobnob with anyone.
  • UFO
    UFO April 16 2013 08: 24
    +5
    All hi I think that Kadyrov is not voicing his own thoughts. And this is not the first time, once I wanted to ban the heads of republics from being called presidents (the idea was good). And now "someone" suggested this idea to him, the main thing was in the trend. tongue
  • Alex66
    Alex66 April 16 2013 08: 24
    +2
    We do not have elementary bureaucratic ethics (although the official and ethics sound ridiculous) the official must be a patriot, work for the idea, therefore he must buy real estate in Russia, products of Russian manufacturers, relax in our resorts, be treated in our clinics, teach children in our schools. Then maybe they want to make life in Russia a little better.
  • riding
    riding April 16 2013 08: 34
    0
    A good offer of this kind would also be for those who master large government orders, or they steal, and then flee to warmer countries.
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman April 16 2013 08: 38
    +7
    Law “On the Protection of State Secrets” Article 8. Restrictions on the rights of citizens aware of state or military secrets
    A citizen of the Republic of Uzbekistan, working or working with information constituting state or military secrets, may, with his written consent, be limited in rights until the expiration of the secrecy period, but for no more than 5 years.

    I read a lot about Kadyrov, but in his words there is a feeling of patriotism, he is trying to convey to the public that it is not worth looking to the west.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 April 16 2013 08: 44
    0
    Some officials agree, or maybe even the majority received training and special training in the intelligence services of foreign countries MI-6, the CIA and Mossad, they simply perform different functions, okay, at least until they unite for the collapse of the country
  • sibircat
    sibircat April 16 2013 08: 47
    +2
    Besides:
    Russian government officials, in my opinion, should be prohibited from educating children abroad. And to write it in the law on public service, and in departmental instructions. If you apply for a position in a government agency, but your children study abroad, either transfer the children to Russian universities or look for another job.

    http://www.km.ru/node/93297/comments
  • Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 April 16 2013 08: 48
    +2
    It turns out that the state is ready to impose 5-year restrictions on leaving Russia, for example, to a private soldier of the Internal Troops or Strategic Missile Forces, who was transferred to the reserve from the conscription service, but is not ready to impose similar restrictions on movement around the world, for example, an ex-deputy Security Council secretary, ex-minister of defense or the whole ex-prime minister, who, by definition, were dedicated to the state secrets of the country. Someone to a lesser extent, someone more.
    Yes, because all of the listed exs are the state. It would be strange if they offended themselves. Otherwise, why was it torn to the top?
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 16 2013 09: 13
      0
      Why would an ordinary go abroad, and who will work here, increasing the wealth of the "chosen ones." For the "elite" it is necessary to leave: take a break from the "works of the righteous", hide the loot from taxes, get a grand, etc. And you are a private here, a private - that's just a private! Whatever the attitude towards R. Kadyrov as a person, here he is right. I am in absentia, a public trial and death penalty for traitors to the Motherland. How Mossad works with traitors and traitors can be envied!
  • mike_z
    mike_z April 16 2013 08: 59
    +1
    But to me, my colleagues, I see the following: nothing should be forbidden to anyone! Our authorities need to finally stop fighting the sick and start the fight against the disease. Do you want to go west, but for God's sake, but you don’t have the right to talk there and there, is your subscription truncated? Truncated! Blabbed something - answer, dear, in full! The offenders need to be punished, and not all in a row. Why are they making a potential spy out of a simple guy if he has never been pierced in the service? And leave 5 years now! This is all nonsense. The birch had to be cut down 10 years ago, and not to rely on MI-6, but by ourselves. There are skills. Of course, I secretly cherish the thought that ours were demolished, but this is a personal secret opinion, hope, so to speak. The former chin-belly-chan went out to warm on the Miami beach - please. But if you gave a vicious interview between the beach - answer! Spent more dough than earned in 10 years - answer. Escaped and never returned to his homeland? Well ... do not seek and goodbye, dear, forever. If this scheme will act rigorously, then I dare to assure those who want to talk nonsense about Russia will decrease at times. And the rest will be easier to figure out. I think so...
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 16 2013 09: 16
      +1
      Quote: mike_z
      I think so...

      Right thoughts.
      1. mike_z
        mike_z April 16 2013 15: 15
        0
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        Right thoughts.

        Thank. But there were still cons ... I wonder from whom? Apparently from someone who believes that everything is forbidden to be easier than working to identify villains and punish them for their specific affairs. And do not punish honest and decent people. Of course it’s more difficult, and I agree with that :)))
  • radio operator
    radio operator April 16 2013 09: 15
    +1
    I agree with Kadyrov.
    If you become an official - be kind to stay at home, and keep your money here in rubles.
  • sibircat
    sibircat April 16 2013 09: 26
    +1
    April 9 was live on Channel 5, very curious;
    April 9, 2013 The official website of the Petersburg-Fifth Channel shopping and entertainment center ... The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, proposed introducing a temporary ban on traveling abroad for high-ranking officials. ... Can an official rest and be treated abroad?
    5-tv.ru ›Video archive› 507573 St. Petersburg

    But for some reason it is NOT in the archive.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 16 2013 21: 11
      +3
      Quote: sibircat
      The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, proposed introducing a temporary ban on traveling abroad for high-ranking officials. ... Can an official rest and be treated abroad?

      So to the identity against?
      The country has beautiful resorts with mineral springs, medicine is making progress.
      You can relax in Sochi, and in Matsest, and in Kislovodsk, and in Pyatigorsk (where the handsome Mashuk ...).
      Stop investing people's money in "foreign" hotels - build your own in Russia.
      drinks
      1. Love
        Love April 17 2013 21: 50
        +1
        Let them come to us, in Bashkiria, our astronauts are recovering after flights ...
  • xmike
    xmike April 16 2013 09: 33
    +1
    And I support the proposal of Ramzan Kadyrov, it is reasonable and understandable.
    1. mike_z
      mike_z April 16 2013 15: 17
      0
      Quote: xmike
      And I support the proposal of Ramzan Kadyrov, it is reasonable and understandable.

      It is completely understandable, but completely not reasonable. Why row everyone? Only villains!
  • Opera
    Opera April 16 2013 09: 36
    0
    One thing is certain = an official, a civil servant of a certain rank should be held accountable. In accordance with the position held, relevant obligations and restrictions defined at the legislative level must be imposed. Kadyrov’s thought is correct. Him, not him - what's the difference. He expressed it.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 16 2013 09: 37
    +1
    I'm for, but what's the point?
    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman April 16 2013 11: 04
      0
      I think that the point is that they throw information and wait for the results. according to the results they make an appropriate decision)
  • arnulla
    arnulla April 16 2013 09: 43
    +2
    I get the impression that some "Russians" love their country much less than representatives of a non-titular nation ...
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT April 16 2013 09: 49
    +1
    This will not go further than statements. Bureaucrats and deputies will not deprive themselves and their children, relatives of luxurious voyages abroad. Who makes the laws ???? That's right - the deputies, who have everything abroad: real estate, money, children. Even if such a law is adopted, it will be so perverted that there will certainly be a loophole in it. Kadyrov says so because it is dangerous for him to travel to Europe and the United States, or rather, the road there is closed for him! So he says there is nothing to lose. In addition, overseas trips are needed - to ensure the development of economic and political ties. The way out is to filter people applying for the position of an official-deputy at the very beginning of the selection stage. There should be a bureaucratic code of honor (a set of moral rules) and these positions should be occupied exclusively by patriots, and not arrogant bastards who consider our Motherland a "dirty rashka" in which the uneducated lives.
  • gorkoxnumx
    gorkoxnumx April 16 2013 09: 51
    -2
    Who cares, the house of the terrorist Kadyrov, who in the 90s was not afraid of not killing the Russians.
    http://doseng.org/foto/56358-dom-ramzana-kadyrova-v-ego-rodovom-selenii.html
    Better Serbia helped than these ungrateful animals !!!
  • optimist
    optimist April 16 2013 09: 58
    +1
    Well what can I say here? "Comrade" Kadyrov puss..nulled, as if he poked it into the water ... His proposal in the current situation sounds about the same as a proposal to ban sex life in a brothel ... Arabia (this Muslim viper) "walk" their stallions ...
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm April 16 2013 10: 22
    -3
    Ramzan handsome :) Well, and you have a frame ah? :)
  • 120352
    120352 April 16 2013 10: 25
    +2
    Why was this bandit and murderer given a Hero Star? Who "omitted" all the true heroes by this? Everybody knows! Why is this bandit and murderer still alive? And if he is, why doesn't he die slowly in a cell for life sentences? It's a shame for Russia !!!
  • Black
    Black April 16 2013 10: 27
    +1
    Kadyrov is not enough, he is bulging out of him !! Restless what ... patriot of Russia, apparently ...
    You know, it’s bad that this is initiated by such an odious figure.
    On the other hand, and who? Duma, S.F., Presidential Administration? We won’t wait from there (who else will put himself on a rope ??).
    The law is needed, but you have to think a lot so that the law does not turn into another scribble. Now you don't have to go over the hill - sit for half an hour in Odnoklassniki and drain any state secret.
  • Opera
    Opera April 16 2013 10: 29
    +1
    Quote: dc120mm
    Well, and you have a frame ah? :)

    We do not reach your "cadres", thank God!
    1. dc120mm
      dc120mm April 16 2013 10: 37
      0
      Our cadres are our tragedy, and Kadirov eta is your tragedy.
  • 400
    400 April 16 2013 10: 30
    +3
    He speaks correctly, all that remains is to fix everything by personal example AND by the relevant laws in the Chechen Republic. At least for a start soldier
  • assaker
    assaker April 16 2013 10: 32
    +2
    Kadyrov handsome, 5 years, please be kind enough to live in your native homeland to calm down to realize what you have done, and to steal the truth, too, to keep true for 10 years already !!!! And the fact that these are simple guys after the army can’t go anywhere, but big fat uncles can, although both are pricked the same !!!!
  • Manager
    Manager April 16 2013 10: 34
    0
    Until the people and Putin unite and help each other with full moral and physical support, neither such laws nor anything else will be adopted!
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet April 16 2013 10: 47
    0
    And what is he to ride over the hill? They feed him well here too!
  • xoma58
    xoma58 April 16 2013 10: 47
    +3
    I completely agree with R.A. Kadyrov. State carriers secrets must pass excerpt on a common basis. This is logical. And Kadyrov is simply the only one who was not afraid to put forward such a completely logical proposal.
  • Opera
    Opera April 16 2013 10: 48
    0
    Quote: dc120mm
    Our cadres are our tragedy and Kadirov eta your tragedy

    So let's everyone do their own thing, at home!
  • vedmed690
    vedmed690 April 16 2013 10: 56
    0
    Quote: Chen
    The law is needed, but you have to think a lot so that the law does not turn into another scribble.

    In Russia, a lot of good, correct laws have been adopted that are necessary for society and the state ........... but they do not work, because they did not provide for a mechanism for enforcement, it’s not anyone who controls it and it’s only a zer-wow what good Kadyrov, Kasyanov, etc. what good thoughts! let's support him (them) ... policy however ..
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 16 2013 11: 30
    0
    It’s time for our bureaucrats to pinch the scrotum, and some fly complaining, others take over the experience from the regional budget, and so on.
    And also ardent Russophobes and their close relatives should be banned from entering Russia (for life), having a business and accounts, as they say the earth is round today Russophobe "and I'm so in love with you ..."