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Oddities of the work of the program to resettle compatriots in the Russian Federation (journalistic special report)

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The "Military Review" often raises the subject of the demographic situation in Russia. This topic is acute, moreover it became acute neither yesterday nor the day before yesterday. The collapse of the Soviet Union, and the subsequent humanitarian catastrophe, economic tectonics, and political uncertainty in the former Soviet republics did their job - thick porridge was brewed, which is not always and everywhere not succeeded in clearing up to this day. To improve the demographic situation in the Russian Federation, a variety of measures are taken at different levels, some of which lead to a positive result, while others (if stakeholders use gaps in the legislation) often lead to a deadlock.


On September 14, 2012, in Russia, the President signed Decree No. 1289, entitled “On the implementation of the State Program to Assist the Voluntary Resettlement of Compatriots Living Abroad in the Russian Federation”. By compatriots, according to officially presented data, we mean citizens of the Russian Federation living outside of Russia, immigrants from the Russian state (in different historical periods of its existence) and their descendants, persons who had citizenship of the Soviet Union, residing in the former Soviet republics, received or not received citizenship of these republics.

Based on the presidential Decree, the program of returning compatriots to Russia and monitoring the number of compatriots abroad, it was decided to include the subjects of the federation 38, many of which were published in the public domain so-called "Memo compatriot." The leaflets indicate the territory and population of the subject of the federation, large settlements of the region, the presence of industrial and other enterprises and companies, a description of resettlement projects and even the average annual temperature for the subject of the federation. In addition, the memo specifies the areas of the region (krai, republic) in which the program operates.

Some time ago, the publication "Military Review" received information that not all the Russian regions connected to the implementation of the described program of the Russian regions deal with assistance to compatriots resettled to Russia is being resolved properly. In particular, data were presented, according to which mass arrivals are being prepared (and in some areas have already begun) a massive arrival of persons, most of whom fit the legalized notion of compatriots, but with the very fact of “returning compatriots to their homeland” in common. In this case, we are talking about a very strange increase in the number of representatives of the Kurdish ethnic group in the central regions of Russia - first of all, the information concerns the Tambov region, which, historically or geographically, doesn’t fit in with the main territories of the Kurds on the world map ...

The journalists of the Military Review decided to check the information about the “impending compatriots” and prepare a report that would confirm or deny the information that not even ethnic Russians, who were ordered by God himself to return from foreign countries to their historical homeland, were honored with the preferences, but “compatriots "Other character.

Moving forward to prepare a report, it was assumed that, perhaps, settlements with displaced people, let's say, non-Russian nationality would have to be searched for a long time, but we were wrong. Settlement, as it turned out, is a very entertaining way: mainly along the federal highway "Caspian": Moscow-Astrakhan, and it is on the territory of the Tambov region. They looked into one of the very tiny villages of the Tambov region - Demian Poor (“Zarya”) from Zherdevsky district, which, according to the information that was available, was one of the settlements that receives Kurdish immigrants on its territory.

Oddities of the work of the program to resettle compatriots in the Russian Federation (journalistic special report)


It turned out that in this Tambov village the program is being implemented in such an impressive way that one simply wonders: why in some cases bureaucratic barriers break down so quickly, and in others they not only break, but rise and spread from year to year ... no more than 250 people, of whom about a third are Kurdish. Moreover, this very Kurdish population didn’t have to search long - after turning to the village from the federal highway, the first person who met on the way was a girl who was clearly not of the original Tambov appearance with a scarf tied over her head. She introduced herself as a ghoul and when asked whether displaced people of Kurdish nationality live in Demian Poor, in a limping Russian, she said that there are many such people, and if we want to talk about Kurds 'living and being', then we need to move towards two-story houses, located in the central part of the village. Houses (as it turned out later, apartment buildings), indeed, towered over the one-story buildings of the village in the distance.



In one of the courtyards, there was a clear revival: several young women were inciting something dangerously close to the rickety wooden buildings, the children were playing nearby, rolling car tires from side to side. At the sight of strangers, everyone immediately ceased to go about their business and fixed their eyes on us.



The first attempt to start a conversation did not succeed (later it turned out that not all the people we saw in the courtyard understood Russian). In the end, it was possible to arrange a meeting with a woman (men of Kurdish ethnicity could not be found in the village), who not only understood Russian, but also agreed to talk about why the Kurds mostly settle on the territory of the Tambov region, and they are met here. This woman introduced herself as Khadija Gaziyev.



Khadija, along with her entire family (husband, children), arrived in the Tambov region at the end of 2010 from Kyrgyzstan. According to her, her brother invited her here, who had already lived in the Zherdevsky district for several years. The brother, in turn, was invited by a certain friend with whom they “intersected” at the end of the 90s in Central Asia and Turkey, and who also chose Tambov lands for permanent residence. Why both the brother, and his acquaintance, and hundreds of other “friends” and “relatives” decided to go suddenly to Tambov, Khadija could not explain. But she said that already after the first few months on the territory of the Tambov region she and every member of her family received Russian citizenship. Khadija herself does not work, receives child support. Children study at a local school, and the eldest at a district technical school. Her husband (in Tambov on road construction) and her brother, who had already managed to move to Moscow, are engaged in work. The main source of family income, according to Khadizhi, is the seasonal fruit harvest and the money that spouses bring from their earnings.

When asked how they managed to get housing so quickly, Khadija’s Russian citizenship answered that the local authorities had helped. Apparently, the local authorities have no limit to altruism. At the same time, the Zherdevsky district of the region is not even included in the program of resettlement of compatriots ... But at the same time there is information about Russian immigrants from the republics of Central Asia who for years cannot get a Russian passport and have to live in the territory of the Russian Federation at best based on such a half-document as for residence, and at worst - with a passport, for example, Turkmenistan. It turns out that many Russian compatriots in the region under the simplified program of obtaining citizenship, strangely, do not fall, but for other "compatriots" the program works "with a bang."



After talking with Khadizhi and visiting her very unsophisticated housing, the plans included a conversation with the head of the local administration, but the village council door was locked, and attempts to track down the head of the rural settlement were not successful.



But instead of the head of the village administration, they managed to talk with other local residents, let's say, of the indigenous (Russian) nationality. The first thing that caught my eye was that people are ready to talk with enthusiasm about their vision of reviving the village, but as soon as it comes to Kurdish immigrants, they ask not to ask them about it. The most frequent phrase heard during the interview: “They are fine. Let's not talk about it. ”
But still managed to talk. To say a few words about the Kurdish diaspora in the Tambov region, we were invited to the house by one of the local teachers, who asked not to mention her name in the report. Let's call her Tatiana.

Tatiana reported that the Kurdish stream has been going to the region for several years, and it started even before the program for the return of compatriots began to work. According to her, the principle of resettlement is simple: first one arrived, then his family arrived (and the Kurdish family can consist of several dozen people), then friends, acquaintances, friends of friends and others, others, others began to arrive. It happens so, - says Tatyana, - that several buses from all neighboring villages and from the regional center come to the village for the funeral of Kurds.

On the question of how representatives of Kurdish nationality received housing and work in Tambov’s region, Tatyana replied that the word “received” was incorrectly used here. They came, found empty houses and settled.

Whether all this was agreed with the local administration, we decided to clarify with Tatiana. She unexpectedly averted her gaze, and answered quietly: who was asking the local administration ... There are other forces in the region that decide all these matters quickly and without taking into account the opinion of the local administration. Who specifically relates to these forces - Tatyana did not dare to answer this question, saying only that everyone knows these people in Tambov, and not only in Tambov ...

Obviously, we are talking about those who enter the high offices of local authorities, the heads of the Kurdish diaspora, among whom is such a well-known surname in the region as Shamoyan. It was Jamal Shamoyan who, in his time, launched a large road-building business in the region, to which he exclusively included representatives of Kurdish nationality as workers (let us recall the words of Khadija Gaziyeva, who said that her husband works on road construction in Tambov). By a strange coincidence, Shamoyan’s firm won all tenders for the repair and construction of roads in the Tambov region, receiving direct funding from the local budget. The money stood out, the roads were patched, then in the spring the patched asphalt went along with the snow, the money stood out again, the asphalt was rolled again. And then it came to large objects of urban and regional real estate, which were also serviced exclusively by Kurdish firms. And so - until the operatives are not interested in the activities of the office of Mr. Shamoyan.


Jamal Shamoyan


However, despite the fact that the company's activities of Mr. Shamoyan (one of the protégés of another Russian Kurd - the late Aslan Usoyan) caused the issue among the employees of the inspection bodies, Mr. Shamoyan promised to turn the Tambov region into paradise with the help of new Kurdish migrants. Here is a quote from the information sheet of Shamoyan:

"In the near future, I will bring around 10 thousands of Kurds to Tambov, who will raise the economy and the birth rate in the region." Note: "10 of thousands of young, healthy non-smoking Kurds."


Well, to be honest, we are not sure of raising the Tambov economy in this way. Another thing is the economics of the top of the diaspora, and another thing is the rise in the birth rate. There is confidence here ... The proportions of the population of the same village Demian Poor, where every third person is Kurdish (and how many more such settlements are in Tambov), speak about the phased implementation of Shamoyan's plans into reality.

At the same time, the locals (as well as the authorities) try not to raise the “Kurdish issue”, since there is a clear fear. The fact is that people close to the top of the Kurdish diaspora in the Tambov region, judging by the statements of local residents, feel much more liberated than the rank-and-file representatives of the local (indigenous) population. Many recent crimes and offenses got away with it. The above names shed light on why such emancipation takes place ...

In addition, local residents claim that the strength of the diaspora tops is greater, the greater the number of diasporas themselves. And in order to increase this number, all state programs, legal and “almost legal” methods are involved. There is a complete feeling that it will take several more years, and in the very center of Russia the situation will reappear, which today manifests itself, for example, in the Stavropol region, where immigrants are already actively promoting their vision of the "correctness" of life in the region. Only if in the case of Stavropol we are talking about uncontrolled internal migration, then in the case of Tambov there is external and no less uncontrolled migration ... More precisely, it is very much controlled, but not at all from that side ...

From the interview with Tatyana (settlement D. Bedny, Tambov region):

- Tatyana, tell me, is inter-religious tension manifested in the village? Is the “Stavropol” story repeated in school about the hijabs of girls' students?

- No, nothing like that yet. Not yet ... So far, there are more Russians ...

PS For centuries, representatives of various ethnic groups, religions and cultures lived on the territory of Russia. To oppose this is to cultivate nationalism, which can lead to a great split. But the question here is different: people who decide, first of all, their financial issues are ready to cover up the evidence of uncontrolled migration by any means - including beautiful words about improving the demographic situation in the region. And if for someone this is a solution to the demographic issue in Russia, are we not going along the slippery path of Western Europe? .. So let's not confuse the brotherhood of nations with the artificial creation of an airbag to solve someone’s criminal problems.
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. April 16 2013 07: 54 New
    14
    Does the current Russian government want to eradicate the mafia,
    Or is everything busy with more important things?
    1. Vasily T.
      Vasily T. April 16 2013 08: 32 New
      27
      If it goes on like this, a civil war cannot be avoided. A feeling that specifically lead to this.
      1. Russian
        Russian April 16 2013 11: 11 New
        20
        Yes, I just have no words! Is it so relocating our compatriots? What kind of compatriots are they to us? Soon they will build mosques, they will forbid girls to go without scarves and so on. And you still ask, where do we get more and more nationalists from? Yes, there would be no such problem, and there would be no nationalism! We urgently need to unite, hold on to each other, draw attention to this problem, while we are still more, but the point of no return is getting closer every year. But as long as the problem does not concern us personally, we will not move, but this cannot be done in any case!
        1. Batman
          Batman April 16 2013 14: 16 New
          +7
          we don’t want to multiply, other nations will multiply for us :(
        2. Varies
          Varies April 16 2013 15: 59 New
          +1
          All these are empty words, it is necessary to arrange pogroms for unbelievable diasporas, then there will be sense.
        3. Veterinar
          Veterinar April 17 2013 08: 39 New
          +1
          if there is citizenship of the republics of the USSR or citizenship of the Russian Federation, then our compatriots
          the Chinese do not resettle from Vietnam
      2. Batman
        Batman April 16 2013 14: 15 New
        +2
        If it goes on like this, a civil war cannot be avoided. A feeling that specifically lead to this.

        I recall the example of Syria, when, shortly before the mass protests, apartments at high prices were bought up in the outbreak cities (bought up by foreigners). A similar situation is immediately visible when people of one nationality are imported. Being in big trouble if this continues.
    2. domokl
      domokl April 16 2013 09: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Nikolay S.
      Does the current Russian government want to eradicate the mafia,

      laughing Let the Italian police and the Carabinieri deal with the Mafia ... We have a dime a dozen of our criminals.
      Indeed, the uncontrolled settlement of free lands by migrants will lead to the emergence of problems similar to Serbs and Macedonians ... Kurds, of course, will vote for their own people, promote their own people, resolve their issues .. And as the diaspora grows, if their requirements are not met will fight for them ...
      So I completely agree with Alexei, the problem is only ripening, but it will certainly arise, if you close your eyes now, what is happening ...
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. April 16 2013 10: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        I agree with Alexei, the problem is only ripening

        What does “only ripen” mean? And when will it ripen? When will you have to run away from your land?

        In my small homeland, such refugees from Central Asia, though not Kurds, began to be settled in separate households as far back as the 90s. Immediately there was such a domestic crime, which we never had. As far as I understand, after that the delivery of such was stopped and the situation somehow stabilized.
        1. in reserve
          in reserve April 16 2013 13: 03 New
          0
          Kurds in Russia and the CIS countries

          After joining the Russian Empire of Georgia (1801), as well as the Ganja, Karabakh and Sheki khanates, some Kurds became Russian citizens. Some of their families and tribal groups also found themselves in the Russian Transcaucasus after the Russo-Persian wars (1804-1813, 1826-1828). These were either residents of those villages that, according to the terms of the Gulistan (1813) and Turkmanchay (1828) treaties, became citizens of Russia, or immigrants who fled to Azerbaijan (partially to Armenia) from oppression of the Iranian and Turkish authorities and in search of the best pastures.

          Towards the end of the 19th century, Kurds from Turkey and Iran massively migrated to Transcaucasia due to crop failures and famine.

          In 1937, the Kurds of Armenia and Azerbaijan, and in 1944, the Kurds of Georgia were deported to Kazakhstan and Central Asia. In 1989-90, Kurds from Central Asia, Kazakhstan, Transcaucasia migrated to Russia (in certain areas of the Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories, Rostov Region, Adygea).

          In the countries of the former USSR, there are about 1 million Kurds [source not specified 956 days], mainly in Azerbaijan [37], Armenia [38], Georgia [39], Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan.

          According to the 2010 census, 23,2 Kurds, who are Muslims, live in Russia. Yezidis, which were recorded separately - 40,6 thousand
          The subject of the federation. The number of Muslim Kurds in 2010, people. ([40])
          Krasnodar region 5 899
          Adygea 4 528
          Saratov region 2 851
          Stavropol region 1 790
          Oryol Region 1 358
          subjects with a Kurdish population of more than 1000 are shown

          In Adygea, Kurds live compactly in the villages of Elenovskoye, Beloye and Sadovoye in the Krasnogvardeisky region, where refugees from the Karabakh conflict zone and immigrants from other regions of the Caucasus and Central Asia settled in the late 80s - 90s of the XX century [
  2. Mitek
    Mitek April 16 2013 07: 58 New
    +7
    Yes everywhere. For bureaucrats you have to take it tough, but give the command "face"! And it turns out that you need to transplant half the country. Do you need another 37th? Slowly, they kind of tighten the nuts .. There was less such chaos as there was. And these immigrants should not be allowed to settle compactly. Need assimilation.
    1. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 April 16 2013 08: 22 New
      21
      There will be no assimilation. Neither the Kurds nor Chichen and in the trailer all the peoples of Islam will allow representatives of other peoples to come to them. If only not women. But this is only a "living machine" to increase their kind. Even her child will not know what kind of tribe his mother is from. Admitting to the territory of the Country alien to us in religion, everyday disposition of people, we are launching a centrifugal system of destruction of the integrity of the country. A simple example of Yugoslavia. And the closest examples are Germany and France who are already crying from the dominance of Asians who, for 20-30 years, have not become French, Germans. Assimilation did not occur. She went in the opposite direction devouring and crowding out people who took them.
      1. Egen
        Egen April 16 2013 08: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: redwolf_13
        near examples Germany and France

        ... England ...
      2. Maks111
        Maks111 April 16 2013 09: 35 New
        +1
        Admitting to the territory of the Country alien to us in religion, everyday disposition of people, we are launching a centrifugal system of destruction of the integrity of the country. A simple example of Yugoslavia. And the closest examples are Germany and France, which are already crying from the dominance of Asians, who in 20-30 years did not become French, Germans

        All the same story about the brave cowboys (migrants) and Indians (local.
      3. Heccrbq
        Heccrbq April 16 2013 10: 24 New
        +1
        At the expense of all the peoples of Islam, there are many Tatar villages around our city, and there are a decent number of them (Muslims) in the city, I come across them (even the word is somehow wrong "with them") and I don’t feel what you say, there were no problems in Syzran with Muslims and we did not separate ourselves from each other. Previously, at least.
        1. Batman
          Batman April 16 2013 14: 29 New
          +2
          In the army, he encountered Muslims. Learned to communicate with them. I will say that some of them do not differ in behavior from other religions, and the other is excessively impudent. During the year of service, I realized that with them you must always be confident in yourself, stand on your own word. And all the same, a negative impression was formed on certain nationalities, all because of their insolence ...
      4. Artmark
        Artmark April 16 2013 11: 05 New
        -5
        Greetings. Kurds are not Muslims.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny April 16 2013 11: 16 New
          +3
          Central Asian Kurds are usually Muslim Sunnis. Although they have all sorts of religions in their historical homeland.
      5. Batman
        Batman April 16 2013 14: 24 New
        0
        in turn, the peoples of Asia are well done ... A good core among their peoples ..
    2. Kolya
      Kolya April 16 2013 09: 03 New
      +2
      Not a single good deed, not a single law will work if there is corruption.
      1. Batman
        Batman April 16 2013 14: 31 New
        0
        A chess game, you can make corruption work for a good cause. But here it is necessary to think over everything (there are few able to crank this out)
  3. radio operator
    radio operator April 16 2013 08: 04 New
    +6
    Our Central Asian friends solve the issue of citizenship very simply. 60 tyrikov and you are a citizen.
    And Russians have been playing football for years with the migration service and passport office. I understand that the official wants a bribe, but there must be some reasonable limits of greed. Tomorrow, Asians will begin to spread rot and you loved ones, because they have learned that it is possible and necessary to live outside the law.
  4. mogus
    mogus April 16 2013 08: 10 New
    +6
    My mother’s classmate got married in her youth and left for Armenia, then there was still the USSR. Now he wants to go back with his family, for the second year now he has been living and registering with his mother in Siberia (registration is temporary, you need to leave for Armenia, then return and register again), now he wants to move to his daughter in Volgograd. It takes some time to get citizenship ...
  5. krasin
    krasin April 16 2013 08: 13 New
    18
    What’s going on is unclear what? As always? We are sitting here hoping for Putin, he grunts something, -fight, overcome, and what and how. In general, the game is dark. Putin is a dark horse. Neither his goals nor directions are clear! He will say that something seems to be right, but things say otherwise.
    In the USSR, the first secretary will speak, they will print in the newspapers - everything is clear, in the newspapers they can see where we are going! Here with these democrats -TEMNYYLES! Anger takes-and why the hell did I vote for Putin ???? !! !!!
    1. vadimN
      vadimN April 16 2013 11: 09 New
      +7
      Our government is broadcasting with a clever look (through the lips of Dimon .. Excuse me, Dmitry Anatolyevich) that Russia cannot do without labor migrants and they need to be imported more and more ... These Asian Russophobes and citizenship are getting their way, and they find work in Russia. A Russian man needs to go through ten circles of hell in order to return to his country and become its rightful citizen ...
      Our government is pursuing a deliberate policy of replacing the indigenous population of Russia with migrants, and in line with this policy, a disregard for compatriots abroad is a normal and necessary phenomenon. One word - the occupation administration ... And the role of Putin is to be a verbal lightning rod, and nothing more. Those who carefully monitor his activities, he sees that one thing is said, but another is always done!
    2. Batman
      Batman April 16 2013 14: 39 New
      0
      Behind the scenes. Information war. Do you really think that the president should say - "This month we will put all the officials who took bribes."
      1. krasin
        krasin April 16 2013 16: 33 New
        +2
        On April 17, if I’m not mistaken, they would listen to Putin in the State Duma, they wouldn’t miss, it’s interesting what they will broadcast! The main thing is to understand what has been done and what will be done. Matter with thieves, or take it off, we will build our bright future, or without them. that we’re going, as it were, with them — you need to know who will be the keeper of the common fund. Who should bow to the legs ??? What will we do with visitors? Will they populate our south, or will they go to explore the North? How to live further ?? Can you do circumcision right away? and learn a language, buy a skullcap? And then, too, the showdowns will go on the skullcap and they will determine their own! There’s not a lot of questions to be seen, but it’s time to think about the headdress. But what if the boss is silent ?? wink
        1. vadimN
          vadimN April 16 2013 17: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: krasin
          The main thing is to understand what has been done and what will be done.


          The Duma lives by the principle: "How much has not been done ...! And how much remains to be done ... !!!"

          Once again, everything will be as usual - whatever Putin says, everyone bows with a smart look on their heads, and in their thoughts they will yawn or think about what else they would sleep ... sorry, to stole in this country ...
  6. donchepano
    donchepano April 16 2013 08: 13 New
    10
    Yes ... it is felt that the demographic situation will be with a specific
    bias. "Thank you" Putiners
  7. Alexander-81
    Alexander-81 April 16 2013 08: 16 New
    +2
    [quote = Nikolay S.] Does the current Russian government want to eradicate the mafia.
    Cab.min whether? laughing
  8. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 16 2013 08: 27 New
    +3
    Pandora's Box is open! What did you expect?
  9. max-02215
    max-02215 April 16 2013 08: 44 New
    11
    It's simple, we, the Russians are spread rot everywhere and everything, about the national republics (I mean the Caucasus and Central Asia) there is nothing to say at all, in some it is dangerous to speak Russian. Paradox - we are the most tolerant nation and us, now. just survive.
    Our misfortune is that we are very fragmented, we see how hot Caucasian guys greyhound, we turn our backs and leave, and if we don’t leave, our government will blame us for nationalism. If only someone starts talking about our national pride, then there is the stigma of a nationalist. Let us recall the old Russian Ingling church, yes there is a certain nationalism there, but they teach to love, to protect their homeland, and not to turn the other cheek. Torah is weakly banned in Russia?
    Our leaders, to the detriment of their people, go towards everyone, but not Russians, if they move from neighboring countries, there are many problems with registration. But the rest of the nations 0 problems, the diaspora is paid and that’s it.
    How long will they spread rot in our homeland? Let the Slavs unite, otherwise in the future they will remember us as a disappearing people ....
    1. Light source
      Light source April 16 2013 12: 13 New
      0
      Woe from the mind. Believe the stranger. They are initiativeless. Etc.
  10. bubla5
    bubla5 April 16 2013 08: 50 New
    +5
    Burning wick brings power to a barrel of gunpowder
  11. Egen
    Egen April 16 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    "PS From time immemorial, representatives of various ethnic groups, religions and cultures have lived on the territory of Russia. To oppose this is to cultivate nationalism"

    IMHO "LIVED" - this together. Diaspora - the article turns out the state in the state.
    Well Duc and the conclusion of which article? Arm? Following the example of the village ... sclerosis forgot the name, where did the population oppose visiting loggers not so long ago?
  12. Canep
    Canep April 16 2013 09: 12 New
    15
    I had Russian citizenship of the USSR, I live in Kazakhstan. I’ll go to Russia only if they start cutting Russians out here. Nah .. who needs me in Russia (here I work as a leading design engineer). Housing prices in Russia are 4 times higher, if I sell my kopeck piece, then I’ll have enough for a dorm room, no more. And from the state to get housing in Russia is unrealistic. Whatever program Putin came up with, it won’t work without providing housing, and if the state allocates any angle, you will always hear from the local population - “come here.”
    1. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX April 16 2013 09: 49 New
      +5
      There was a similar situation, but now I live in the Kuban and see more + than -. If they ask whether I am sorry that I moved, then I will answer: of course I'm sorry, very sorry ... that I did not do this before.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 16 2013 11: 21 New
      +9
      Sergey, the Kazakhs will begin to slaughter Russians (Koreans, Uighurs, Ukrainians, Tatars) with the same probability as the fact that Angela Merkel will become akim of Ekibas))) Yes, we can violently argue somewhere in the internet on a national theme, but in real life , you know, Kazakhs and Russians get along quite well. We have common enemies. And they do not live in Syzran, and not in Karaganda.
  13. Svobodny
    Svobodny April 16 2013 09: 17 New
    +7
    Russian, give birth !!! A holy place does not happen empty ...
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 16 2013 10: 14 New
      +3
      As one friend said, a non-pregnant woman is a crime !!!
    2. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 16 2013 11: 59 New
      +7
      To give birth is not a tricky business. But to grow in today's realities is more difficult. If the money allocated to the migrants were given to Russian mothers, another thing.
      1. Dr. Pilyulkin
        Dr. Pilyulkin April 16 2013 16: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: Vrungel78
        To give birth is not a tricky business. But to grow in today's realities is more difficult.


        When the Lord gives a child, he gives a child!

        Unless, of course, work and do not thump.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv April 16 2013 23: 05 New
          +2
          I have two sons and still gave birth to a small living space and my opinion is that even two are easier to raise than one and three would be pulled, if you cultivate love and mutual help for each other in them, then parents are needed in infancy and for control
    3. Semurg
      Semurg April 16 2013 18: 52 New
      +3
      The ancestors have spoken the truth to you so much land, but there is nobody to master it in fact (Nature does not tolerate emptiness). If every family has 5-6 children, then after 30 years there will be no problem, unless of course a cataclysm like war or another perestroika happens.
  14. zambo
    zambo April 16 2013 09: 21 New
    +3
    Our "bureaucrats" and many representatives of law enforcement agencies have lost the instinct of self-preservation, they live today by the principle: "After us, at least the flood ..."
  15. koksalek
    koksalek April 16 2013 09: 34 New
    +2
    In the event of a conflict, they are unlikely to stand up for Russia. 5 column. Oh, they sold us with giblets, sellers have long ago bought their homeland more calmly, they only fly to work here.
  16. Flooding
    Flooding April 16 2013 09: 39 New
    +3
    There is a strong impression that it is not the president who makes Russian politics, but a very vast circle of people who are somehow vested with power. It is they who apply all these decrees, directives from above in practice. And apply as it suits them. It is their actions that have the dominant influence on domestic politics.
    In the absence of tight control, we have what we have. Fists itch, teeth grind ... but all this, shamelessly admit it, is from our powerlessness. How long ??? When we drive an aspen stake into a reptile sucking blood from the people?
  17. Rrv
    Rrv April 16 2013 09: 44 New
    0
    Some of the not-so-old publications:

    www.newsru.com/russia/15sep2010/kavkaz.html

    oper-v-zakone.livejournal.com/80614.html

    oper-v-zakone.livejournal.com/81601.html


    PS If someone tells me how to leave active links here - I will be grateful.
  18. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX April 16 2013 09: 45 New
    +2
    t_u_p_o_r_y_l_y_y official for dirty money and mother will sell his native and daughter will lay it on the chock. There are not many, and only mass shootings with confiscation will be able to rectify the situation sad
  19. SCS
    SCS April 16 2013 10: 14 New
    +2
    Great article! sheds a lot of light! +++
    all their diaspora without Jamal Shamoyan with their road construction business will not have such an influence, therefore, those in power can solve this issue specifically! there would be a desire and a bright head ...
  20. dc120mm
    dc120mm April 16 2013 10: 15 New
    +8
    Very interesting report.

    And a very dangerous trend.
  21. zennon
    zennon April 16 2013 10: 19 New
    11
    Initially an idiotic policy. A huge number of Russian citizens still live in Central Asia who, for various reasons, cannot return to Russia. I arrived 9 years ago. I sold an apartment in Frunze (now Bishkek) for ridiculous money. A Russian man, long sought citizenship . Arrived at an empty place. There is no state aid program. At the same time, they talk about demography and bring in genetic garbage. Since the year 91, it was necessary to immediately grant citizenship to ethnic Russians and not let it go ... my! Our powerful zander out of the blue lay mines for the future.
    1. cumastra1
      cumastra1 April 16 2013 16: 39 New
      +3
      Hi, I found a similar case in a collective farm. I have a relative from Frunze. Did not receive any assistance or assistance. Only bureaucratic obstacles - such as who you are at all. The most annoying thing is that natural russians, but at the same time indigenous Kyrgyz and others, received citizenship faster than they did. Yes, and it was necessary to support people, maybe they would have given birth to a child, and so ... Until they got up a bit, they got their own angle - the age was out.
  22. TROG
    TROG April 16 2013 10: 27 New
    +4
    And you say Europe in shit ....
  23. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 16 2013 10: 27 New
    +2
    You know, in some book I read an interesting phrase that can be applied to our reality, changing the name a bit, it says something like this: "Our prisons are the first places in terms of number of criminals, after parliament, of course" something like this.
  24. Yeraz
    Yeraz April 16 2013 10: 33 New
    +4
    Haha, here's a laugh. Many drove here to support the Kurds, let the Turks be on guard, so the Kurds took and ended up in Russia. So support them, increase the number, prepare fighters))))))
    1. in reserve
      in reserve April 16 2013 12: 58 New
      0
      Some Kurds have been living here since the days of the USSR, when we supported the “Kurdish Workers' Party”. But the Turks, by the way, have put sticks in our wheels all our lives.

      Maybe the Kurds will leave here when their state is organized on the territory of Turkey "Great Kurdistan" bully
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 16 2013 13: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: in stock
        Some Kurds have been living here since the days of the USSR, when we supported the “Kurdish Workers' Party”. But the Turks, by the way, have put sticks in our wheels all our lives.

        Maybe the Kurds will leave here when their state is organized on the territory of Turkey "Great Kurdistan" bully

        Straight all my life and insert, or for you one two centuries overgrown it is all my life)
        And as for the example of Armenia, the Armenian diaspora did not start returning, and after the organization of Armenia was left, a new round of migration began, which is still ongoing.
        So, with their birth rate, they will be a priori forced to travel to different lands.
  25. andrejwz
    andrejwz April 16 2013 10: 37 New
    10
    90s. I am a young investigator interrogating as a witness for the use of a firearm by her son, an Azerbaijani woman who came to Russia according to the program and in accordance with the law "About refugees". She explains to me which bastards live here. They bought a house, opened a network of small retail outlets and all this with the money allocated under the refugee program. And here I am sitting, the same bastard, in front of this woman, a young specialist who has neither a stake nor a yard, and I'm very sorry that her son has not cut me put a stall in the window.
  26. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 16 2013 10: 51 New
    +3
    By compatriots, according to officially presented data, we mean citizens of the Russian Federation living outside of Russia, immigrants from the Russian state (at different historical periods of its existence) and their descendants, persons who had the citizenship of the Soviet Union, living in the former Soviet republics, who received or not obtained citizenship of these republics.

    I think that the incorrect concept of "compatriot" was originally given.
    What does it mean "persons who had the citizenship of the Soviet Union"? It turns out ALL Tajiks, Uzbeks, Moldovans ... and others can now become citizens of Russia !!!
    It is necessary to specifically determine the nationality of compatriots !!!
    At the same time, during the resettlement of Chechens, it is necessary to settle in Chechnya, Adygs - Wadygei, etc. ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 16 2013 11: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      What does it mean "persons who had the citizenship of the Soviet Union"? It turns out ALL Tajiks, Uzbeks, Moldovans ... and others can now become citizens of Russia !!!

      And, take my word for it, it’s good if the Moldovans.
      Just Moldovans very easily and without unnecessary stresses in Russian society are pouring into it. The mentality, you know, will be closer.
  27. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 16 2013 10: 58 New
    +4
    In Kazakhstan, these Kurds are above the roof. Like Chechens, Azerbajans, Armenians, Dag, Georgians, Turks and other "blacks" (in your language). Do Kazakhs have a claim to them? None. Did the Kazakh face mass cases of "greyhounds" of representatives of these nationalities? No. Are they a significant factor in the criminal world? No. And why? Because the Kazakhs consider themselves to be a titular nation, which has as many rights as non-titular ones, and more responsibilities. It depends on us Kazakhs how an Azerbaijani with an Armenian, a Jew with a Muslim, a Russian with a Chechen, a Turk with a Kurd, a German with a Korean will get along.
    There were isolated cases that outraged the Kazakhs - the result is always the same - ordinary Kazakhs severely ram the lawless people, the police put Kazakh self-government prisoners in jail. All sides calm down quickly. Non-title ones understand how the attempt to curtail themselves will end, and the Kazakhs know that they will actually be in prison for their arbitrariness. As a result, no one complains about injustice, an Armenian can easily have tea with an Azerbaijani, and a Russian can be friends with a Chechen. The normal coexistence of ethnic groups within the country is the task of the Kazakhs, not foreigners. And if we start pushing this question to others, then what kind of titular nation are we after?


    Z.Y. For Kazakhstan to have any kind of graters between the diasporas, fights, conflicts - this is generally fantastic. Although the number of non-Kazakhs in our country is 40%.
    In Almaty, they recall a case when in the very beginning of the 90s on the street someone started cursing on an interethnic topic, like a dozen people started cursing violently with each other. What has the power done? A police bus arrived, crammed all the debaters there, drove out of town a few kilometers, dropped off in the steppe, turned around and drove back to the city, leaving the “titular and impaired” right in the steppe. What did these people have to do? They remembered that tomorrow they had to go to work, that they were waiting for them at home, that they had to have dinner - in short, they shut up and silently went towards the city.
    1. kirill110
      kirill110 April 16 2013 11: 41 New
      +6
      I agree with you, I think this is not a small merit of Nazarbayev N.A. Until 98 he himself lived in Russia, in Dombarovka and Orsk, but then he moved to Kazakhstan, now he is a KZ citizen, here are children and family. According to my observations, Kazakhs in different regions are somewhat different in character (although not only they, but all other nationalities), in the South they are all welcoming, in Almaty it feels like every day is Sunday, in the center and in the north it is like in Russia in the Urals and Siberia, I didn’t notice the difference, but the West - they are quite “noisy” and usually buzz there. Their bandits in the 90s even came to Russia to the arrows and vice versa.
      It’s not bad to live in Kazakhstan, especially in 2 capitals and in oil regions. Marat, I wonder if you are so "hot" arguing even with outright trolls, do you think that you will convince them? (I’ve been reading your posts lately, you are the most interesting participant from Kazakhstan). It seems to me that these disputes often aggravate the situation and look ridiculous, maybe just ignore it? Although it is worth noting that constructive discussions are also present.
      I fully support your point of view on the form of organization of the union of states, but you have such unbridled optimism on some issues that it seems that we live in different states.
      Regarding the program, many are leaving, the reasons are different. Someone is moving forward at work (my colleagues have left a lot, who is where), who have phobias about children, assimilation of future descendants (and there are such), the language has a separate topic (we are all shy in KZ (that’s how it is, because the words and some phrases know everything) speak Kazakh with each other - I mean communication between nations ... though excluding the Western and Southern regions and some), some do not feel that something depends on them, they are not the titular nation .. I’ll leave if force squeezing of “non-title” ones from the country begins, but I think it won’t come to that.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 16 2013 12: 25 New
        +8
        Ooh, so we are fellow countrymen-Orenburg? ))))) You will be in Astana, write to the PM, we will find time to meet for a glass of beer / tea) I was not in Dombarovka, but I was often in Orsk)
        1) Kazakhs in the regions have their own mental differences. And although they are not “radical differences”, but the Kazakhs themselves admit this, the southerners are characterized by enterprise (and the Karaganda people), the northerners are stingy with emotions, the western ones are quick-tempered (but like all Kazakhs they quickly calm down). Almaty residents are optimistic, northerners are pessimists. Southerners are characterized by communication on "you" and rank worship, northerners are colder and they most often do not care for someone’s titles.
        2) There is a difference in the standard of living, but not as wild as in Russia, where life in Moscow and St. Petersburg cannot be compared with the outback, although it is clear that capitals and large industrial centers will always be more “wealthy” than small cities in the provinces . So in any country.
        3) The fact that I argue with outright insane opponents is not for their benefit, but for other Russians to read. There are a majority of normal Russians who know how to analyze and compare facts, and there are Internet dunce in any nation, Kazakhs also have plenty of them.
        4) Almaty apparently "accustomed" me to optimism, where I lived for many years after moving from Russia)))) Moreover, whatever one may say, there is a reason for such a worldview.
        5) As for the reasons for leaving - of course, everyone has their own. Although fearing assimilation, IMHO, this is stupid, especially since the Kazakhs themselves are not going to abandon the Russian language in any way. All Kazakh nationalism essentially consists in the fact that all citizens of Kazakhstan speak passable state language. There is no question of banning the Russian language. State ideology in this respect clearly says that Kazakhstanis should be trilingual, and this has already been introduced from kindergarten.
        If the Kazakhs would like to squeeze out non-Kazakhs, they would simply “cancel” the Russian language, as in some countries of the ex-USSR. But do Kazakhs need this? Nekazakhs make up almost half of our country, the merits of many Slavs, Koreans, Turks, Caucasians are undeniable before our country. All the successes of Kazakhstan are somehow connected with our ethnic "compote." And everyone understands this - both Kazakhs, and Russians, and aul, and city, and Eurasians and autocrats. Now, if our Russians would still improve their demographics, it would be generally correct. And then, you know, one of the main reasons for the decrease in the Russian diaspora in the KZ is not migration, but low fertility and high mortality from bad habits. However, the same problem faces the Russian ethnic group in Russia itself (on an even larger scale).
        When the Russian Kazakhstanis begin to consider themselves guilty for Nazarbayev’s mistakes and begin to feel involvement in the successes of Kazakhstan, the Kazakhs / Kazakhstanis, then we can say that the Russians are not guests in the KZ, but full owners of the country. With all the consequences. And when you usually hear from a Russian: “Kazakhs such and such have ruined everything”, then how can I consider him to be involved in this state? Participation in everything that happens in the country is the main sign of a real citizen. Otherwise, it’s just a person who involuntarily stayed here since 1991, but for some reason did not leave.
        A striking example is the German writer Gerold Belger - he sometimes covers Kazakhs so that when you read him you sometimes feel her skin with redness and deep shame for himself and for the nation. And at least one Kazakh will tell him in response? On the contrary, for the Kazakhs - he is "the last real Kazakh", "the conscience of the Kazakh people." And why? It's just that this old man 100% associates himself with this country, and the Kazakhs feel it. Moreover, Belger is by no means assimilated. He is proud that he is German, speaks his native language fluently, and knows perfectly the culture of his people.
        1. kirill110
          kirill110 April 16 2013 12: 39 New
          +2
          I live in Astana)) I'll meet you))
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny April 16 2013 12: 43 New
            +4
            I wrote the phone. Offer to drink beer - valid))) Password: "Isn’t you selling the Orenburg down scarf?" laughing
            1. ed65b
              ed65b April 16 2013 13: 14 New
              +2
              Better Slavic closet hi
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny April 16 2013 13: 22 New
                +2
                Gee, so I remembered this phrase))) I just slightly lined to our nuances))) People from Orenburg)))
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 15: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      an Armenian can easily have tea with an Azerbaijani,

      This is bad))))))))))
      but otherwise super, it should be so!
      We have the same!!!
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 16 2013 16: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      In Kazakhstan, these Kurds are above the roof.

      The Kurdish diaspora of Kazakhstan is 50-60 thousand people.
      There are problems with it in Kazakhstan, you should know this, Marat.
      Mayatas .....
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 16 2013 17: 24 New
        +4
        Mayatas in a nutshell:
        Kurdish obtus raped a child. The Kazakhs burned down the house where he lived, all the outbuildings and cars of close relatives of the thug. Two relatives of the rapist were beaten (one of them is the rapist’s grandfather). Several glasses were broken in several relatives' houses. All.
        The other Kurds were not touched, although they were scared in earnest. The rapist and two Kazakh rioters were imprisoned. The incident is long over. Kurds and Kazakhs still live quietly together in Mayatas.

        I cannot speak this single case for the entire time the Kurds live in Kazakhstan (it’s about 70 years old) as “constant problems with the Kurdish diaspora”.
  28. Gur
    Gur April 16 2013 11: 17 New
    +3
    That's it and when it comes to me change citizenship, it’s like a muzzle on the asphalt, as a law-abiding I have to fill so many papers, so much to fulfill all conventions, and to prove that I'm Russian, it's all nonsense. And not only that, sending children to study in Russia, with the slightest problem, again face on the asphalt, like- "and who called you here at all." So we are thinking, whether we should stay on the spot and listen to the speeches “70 years under the yoke of Russians, and you still have the right to download” or go to your historical homeland and listen to “who called you”. Although, of course, there are already quite a lot of returnees in all regions, as it seems to have become easier in terms of relations.
    1. Andy
      Andy April 16 2013 11: 31 New
      +3
      there was such a thing- in the beginning of the 90s Russians left the Estonian department. one family bought a house in a village in the Pskov region. so the Russians stalked the Russians, saying that they were chasing a long ruble, and now they’ve come in large numbers. You can rot your own, it’s scary to put the Caucasians in their place.
      1. Vrungel78
        Vrungel78 April 16 2013 12: 07 New
        +6
        This was said not by Russians, but by envious neighbors who are everywhere. Everything was the same with my family, or rather, then my future wife. Sold in Karelia, bought a house in the private sector in St. Petersburg. What was there: the new Russians, and thieves, and came in large numbers. When I meet this grandmother, I still wish her to die quickly. Cynically? No. How many years of life she cut my mother-in-law.
      2. Murat 09
        Murat 09 April 16 2013 20: 30 New
        +3
        Andy, I have one, I confirm that I have a Russian acquaintance Natalia, they and her family moved from Central Asia to the Nizhny Novgorod region, they were also poisoned there, and she, a young girl, moved to us in the KCR, married a local Russian guy, and lives here, it’s more comfortable with the Karachai people, we don’t have such idiocy.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 16 2013 11: 43 New
      +2
      Gur, and the point of changing was sewn to soap? By and large, the difference between Kazakhstan and Russia is small. There are features, pluses and minuses both there, and there. Kazakhs do not remember about nationalism until they really begin to raise the topic of state language or when they openly talk about "disloyalty" (political, cultural) to Kazakhstan. Especially in the light of: "When the Russians were in charge, everything was tip-top, and the Kazakhs can’t do anything.". No matter how veiled this idea is, the Kazakh will immediately isolate it and recognize it, and will treat you accordingly.
      In a word, if these topics are not raised, then the Kazakh will be less interested in your ethnic background and religion. Rather, he will be the first to begin to search for common themes that unite our peoples. Well, if a Kazakh feels neglect of his language, culture, history - then, kanesha, who will like it ...
      1. Gur
        Gur April 16 2013 13: 22 New
        +4
        Well, why didn’t you stay in Russia? What did you change the awl for soap, since it’s not any difference? It would not be bad if there would be more people like you, but alas, people like you will be less and less, and I don’t need to say that the Kazakh begins to raise the “topic” only when he feels an unfair attitude to the language and the Kazakh nation. a dispute as a trump card and the end to everything is always one “go to your Russia.” But that’s not even the point, you see there is no iron confidence that my life and my loved ones will never be safe in Kazakhstan. And to defend it with fists, it’s that against the wind, it runs a lot of all under the cry “Russians beat”
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny April 16 2013 13: 43 New
          +6
          The father made the decision to move. He was then a battalion commander of the Orenburg OMON battalion. Returning from the second "Caucasian business trip" he said that he was taught to fight against external enemies, not against fellow citizens. And that today the Russians started bickering with the Chechens, tomorrow the Russians will be looking for enemies in other Russians.
          He was not a coward. Three awards for the Caucasus, one of which the Minister of Internal Affairs of Russia personally presented to him in Astana (after many years). We moved to Almaty. His younger brother remained in the Orenburg region, though in another city - Novotroitsk. Also a bunch of medals and even the Order of Courage (for the operation to save the hostages), an honorary resident of the Orenburg region.
          We didn’t scramble from anyone, just a Caucasian mess was the last straw of patience with my father. There were several more cases when he was openly told in Moscow that there would be no career growth because of his inappropriate nationality (although the Orenburg leadership stood up for his father). And in Kazakhstan, Kazakh officers from all over the former Union were then assembled. Father and many of his other colleagues decided to transfer to KZ. That's how it was in our family. Personally, I do not blame anyone. It so happened. At the same time, the legendary helicopter pilot Kayyrgeldy Maidanov (Kazakh) was actually squeezed out of Kazakhstan, who on the contrary moved to Russia, and then died in Chechnya, earning the Gold Star of the Hero of Russia posthumously to the Gold Star of the USSR Hero. Many Russian officers went to serve Russia, Kazakh officers went to Kazakhstan.

          And the fact that you do not have confidence in personal safety in the KZ is your fears. For the past 20 years, the Russian diaspora has been scaring itself with the "Kazakh genocide."
          The phrase "go to your Russia" is said only to those who openly say that he does not like living in Kazakhstan and is "scared" by his departure. The rest of the Russians do not say such a phrase.
          1. Gur
            Gur April 16 2013 14: 10 New
            +1
            Come on!))) The Kazakhs themselves do not know what will happen tomorrow in person, they themselves do not have full confidence that after the departure of the "pope", Kazakhstan will not slide into a division of power following the example of Kyrgyzstan. And you say yourself scare.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg April 16 2013 15: 56 New
              +3
              Is Putin eternal in Russia? If you are a citizen you have the right to choose politicians, look at the young politicians and then vote for an adequate politician because 40% are not Kazakhs. Or if you think that we’ll dump it, it seems to me hard to break the whole way to start life in a new place. Don’t be inert, because our ancestors sometimes lost their lives for the right to vote. Dad doesn’t last forever and who will depend on you after him, so that now look narrowly at young politicians among them quite adequate people.
            2. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu April 16 2013 20: 19 New
              +1
              I have a strong belief that you really want this .. angry
              Many of our "Russians" are clearly traced ..
              Nothing will happen .. The same fears were after the collapse of the Union ..
              AND???
              I’ll also note that there are enough “Russians” who simply haven’t “squeezed out” everything in K-no (or from K-on). As soon as there is nothing left to get here, they will be dumped in Rasea .. I myself know a few of these .. Well, there will be "songs" there to sing about oppression, discrimination and "genocide". Moreover, this topic in Russia goes to "Hurray" ...
            3. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu April 27 2013 12: 14 New
              0
              here you go
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          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny April 16 2013 14: 11 New
            +4
            Most of my friends are ethnic Russians. If someone had “guessed” to say “suitcase, train station, Russia,” they would have sent this guide off with a kick outside the republic. Because Kazakhstan is their country. With all its shortcomings and problems. And if you take this phrase as an excuse to leave, then it really means that KZ was never your home. What to be offended? They just waited for a reason to appear.

            If I try to kick you out of your own apartment, you will tell me: “Sure or what ?! This is my apartment!”.
            Kazakhstan - your home or not? If not, then do not torture yourself. If so, behave as the owner of this house, living with other owners, knowing your rights, obligations, and do not whine, “but didn’t the Kazakhs repair? But no one changes the burned out bulb in the bathroom.” This is the psychology of a temporary resident. It’s absolutely far from thinking to hurt you, just figure out who you are in this country, whether you need it, whether someone has the right to “kick you out”, and whether you have any duties towards it, in addition to taxes, which migrant workers pay.

            Z.Y. And that is characteristic, to my friends who absolutely do not think about moving, no one ever said the phrases “leave”. Although his whole life (30, 40, 50 years or more) lived among the Kazakhs. Well, they didn’t meet a Kazakh who considered them to be strangers and temporary workers. Or do you think that the Kazakhs walk along the street and everybody speaks this phrase to all Russians?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 16 2013 15: 32 New
              +2
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Most of my friends are ethnic Russians. If someone had “guessed” to say “suitcase, train station, Russia,” they would have sent this guide off with a kick outside the republic. Because Kazakhstan is their country. With all its shortcomings and problems. And if you take this phrase as an excuse to leave, then it really means that KZ was never your home. What to be offended? They just waited for a reason to appear.

              If I try to kick you out of your own apartment, you will tell me: “Sure or what ?! This is my apartment!”.

              Everything is correct !! ++++
            2. Gur
              Gur April 16 2013 15: 32 New
              +2
              I probably wrote to you already, I’ve already worked since the age of 13, and before the collapse of the USSR, I considered Kazakhstan my homeland, and the ho llama (although partly a crest myself) in the muzzle army beat me for proving that Kazakhstan is my homeland and my house and that I didn’t “take root” in Kazakhstan and returned to Kazakhstan after the army, because the steppes were nicer than the forests and fields of Konotop, or Pereslavl-Zalesky or Odintsov. But alas, everything was mixed up in the Yablonsky house, there was no feeling in me that Kazakhstan was my home. Yes, and I don’t think that they go and tell everyone, but I know and see scribble on houses and fences, and in scandals if they only mature, and with children who, as they say, came out once and again, and then the crowd comes to a showdown boy, so it’s necessary to disperse the police. No, I can’t and don’t want to say that all of them are polite, there are normal people with human concepts, but they are becoming smaller, so fewer that they themselves, are once again afraid to intervene or make a remark overwhelming .
            3. Flooding
              Flooding April 16 2013 17: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Most of my friends are ethnic Russians. If someone had “guessed” to say “suitcase, train station, Russia,” they would have sent this guide off with a kick outside the republic. Because Kazakhstan is their country.

              You state the fact, no more.
              The reason for this state of affairs in Kazakhstan is domestic politics.
              The situation would have been a different team to come back to power in due time.
              Do you really think that the Russians and Ukrainians are fleeing Moldova, for example, because they do not like this land or are not morally stable, unlike their half-brothers living in Kazakhstan?
              No, the reason is in the situation that the nationalists created. And this, mind you, is already the second wave (the first was in the 90s).
              Perhaps this is the mentality of the Kazakhs. May be. But it was not at all in the unwillingness of the Russian-speaking people to live on the land where their relatives lay that the best years of life passed ...
            4. Anti
              Anti April 16 2013 19: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              If I try to kick you out of your own apartment, you will tell me: “Sure or what ?! This is my apartment!”.


              and if there are many like you? Yes, with hints of trouble with the younger ones, etc., say, “Oh, fucked up ?! This is my apartment!” ?????
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 16 2013 16: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        Well, if a Kazakh feels neglect of his language, culture, history - then, kanesha, who will like it ...

        You, Marat, also have a disregard for the Russian language and history. If you loved and understood the Russian language, you would not have produced almost all Russian words from Old European, Latin and Turkic. You need it, you speak it, but do not love and you don’t understand.
  29. Andy
    Andy April 16 2013 11: 25 New
    +9
    a question for the faithful Putiners of this site — who is responsible for the presidential program? It’s more difficult to think than to press the minus of an objectionable opponent, and there is no time for you to get up off your knees.
  30. architipai
    architipai April 16 2013 11: 27 New
    +3
    I personally tried to use this program - only a formal thing, most likely for visibility and budget assimilation
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 16 2013 12: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: architipai
      I personally tried to use this program - only a formal thing, most likely for visibility and budget assimilation

      A difficult thing, a familiar Russian from Moldova wanted according to that program, but in the end, realizing that everything was beautifully written on paper, but in fact figs understand that he simply married a Russian and got it through her.
      By the way, about the boiling point that non-Russians may be on this program, in fact, it’s also very difficult for them to get it.
  31. Eric
    Eric April 16 2013 11: 38 New
    0
    And where are my fellow countrymen of Tambovchani?
  32. ed65b
    ed65b April 16 2013 12: 04 New
    +4
    Do not run into the Kurds. I know them well in the USSR. Hard workers and very friendly people as neighbors would not be better. The truth is far removed, but this is a question for the “Pahan” of the diaspora and not for the immigrants. They will create the Kurdistan, they will move it, or rather, they will not live well in Russia. Maybe of course the current Kurds are different from those who lived in the USSR. Everything depends on education. But I have not yet heard that there are problems with the Kurds. They need warmth in Astrakhan, Kalmykia. And as for our immigrants, who huddle for years, so we ourselves are to blame for this; we do not have cohesion like the Asians and Caucasians. there they raise each other with the whole world. And we only rally in grief or at a time of mortal danger. Something like this.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 16 2013 13: 23 New
      0
      Any stormy river begins with a small spring.
      Draw a conclusion
  33. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 16 2013 12: 20 New
    +2
    About how it is, and I thought where the Kurds were from in Tambov. Three years ago I was on a business trip in the Tambov region, staying near the Tatanovo in the Dizhl hotel, as the mistress of the Kurds later found out from the workers, where they celebrated the midnight of a relative of the mistress. some women, not a single man, arrived in luxury cars all dressed up. It turns out my mother was not born in the Tambov region, but in the Kurdistan Region and the Tambov wolves are gradually turning into Tambov sheep, thanks to corrupt officials
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 16 2013 12: 27 New
      +5
      My mother in Kaskelen (near Almaty) lives on the Kurdish street. Normal people. The cheese is chic. The truth is astounding that they can marry cousins. For Kazakhs, this is nonsense. And the rest - no complaints.
      1. marshes
        marshes April 16 2013 13: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        The truth is astounding that they can marry cousins.

        Greetings!
        I have a wife in medicine, she says they have big problems with genetic diseases and the psyche, recently they have been trying, if possible, to marry between their but living in different countries, as well as immigrants from the Caucasus republics, they go to the bridegroom to Grozny .
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny April 16 2013 13: 18 New
          +5
          Good afternoon!)
          The neighbors, by the way, have a fool relative (lives with them). IMHO, from this tradition to mix with relatives. So I hope they really taboo that.
      2. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 16 2013 13: 14 New
        0
        I don’t see anything in common between Tambov and Kurds, even the habitat is different. Here they’re not talking about how good they are, local. Let the Tambov bureaucrats of these settlers settle next to them and see if they will be calm for OWN children and “overpowered property”
      3. ed65b
        ed65b April 16 2013 13: 15 New
        0
        Incest and Uzbeks and Tajiks do not disdain.
      4. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 16 2013 16: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        My mother in Kaskelen (near Almaty) lives on the Kurdish street. Normal people.

        Marat, you so zealously protect immigrants to Russia.
        Do you seriously think that Russia needs to accept everyone indiscriminately, all of Central Asia? Kurds?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 16 2013 16: 29 New
          -5
          Quote: baltika-18
          Do you seriously think that Russia needs to accept everyone indiscriminately, all of Central Asia? Kurds?

          I think it’s necessary at the moment, but to settle in dying villages and give them loans to raise these villages!
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 April 16 2013 16: 58 New
            +7
            Quote: Yarbay
            I think it’s necessary at the moment, but to settle in dying villages and give them loans to raise these villages!

            Yes, no, Alibek. At this stage, only the Russian and Russian-speaking population should be accepted. All the rest, even those who have received citizenship, should be deported.
            And when we put things in order in our house, then we ask for mercy, but without our orders.
            It’s just that soon the process of bringing this order will begin, and these elements that are unstable to external influences will interfere very much, so they will have to part with them.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 16 2013 17: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              .Take at this stage you need only the Russian and Russian-speaking population

              I agree, so why do not accept or do not go ??
              Quote: baltika-18
              It is just that soon the process of bringing this order will begin, and these elements that are unstable to external influences will interfere very much.
              I'm with two hands. For !!
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny April 16 2013 18: 40 New
          -1
          You cannot let anyone into the country indiscriminately. It `s naturally. However, who is to blame for the fact that at one time Moscow threw the Kurds from their native land from place to place?
          In addition, what exactly did the Kurdish immigrants in Russia violate? They moved legally, live legally, work, do not violate anything.
          To be honest, I still did not understand what claims the residents of this village have to the arrivals?
  34. virm
    virm April 16 2013 12: 51 New
    +4
    Kurds are good, Pashtuns are good, Uzbeks are so golden. And so on and so forth. Many nations live on the planet. But we do not need them here. This is our land.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 16 2013 13: 01 New
      +4
      “Kurds are good, Pashtuns are good, Uzbeks are generally golden. And so on and so forth. Many different peoples live on the planet. But we don’t need them here. This is our land,” General M. Chernyaev said, storming the walls Tashkent. June 1865 laughing
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 16: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        "The Kurds are good, the Pashtuns are good, the Uzbeks are generally golden. And so on and so forth. A lot of all kinds of peoples live on the planet. But we don’t need them here. This is our land," said General M. Chernyaev

        Well said))))))))))))
        Strong!!)
  35. Leisure
    Leisure April 16 2013 12: 55 New
    +1
    And what, in the Tambov province, even the Palestinian refugee camps can’t be placed?
    And then the Russians are skating like cheese in butter, and now we need to solve the problems of others.
  36. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 16 2013 13: 09 New
    +3
    Singers and Zara (Kurdish, Yezidi), "Farewell of the Slav":



    IMHO, Zara is the best female performance of this song that I have heard. So soulful and sincere. Yes, I would have written the Kurds in the indigenous peoples of Russia for this performance alone.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 16 2013 13: 18 New
      +2
      The best performance is the original.
      Perhaps it’s time you respected here http://sovmusic.ru/
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 16 2013 13: 23 New
        +3
        I'm talking about "female performance")
        And I know the site) I rolled up a bunch of music from there)
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 16 2013 15: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      Singers and Zara (Kurdish, Yezidi), "Farewell of the Slav":



      IMHO, Zara is the best female performance of this song that I have heard. So soulful and sincere. Yes, I would have written the Kurds in the indigenous peoples of Russia for this performance alone.

      The weakest performance ever to be heard. As a singer Zara belongs to the category of "singing underpants", no more.
      The strongest performance of the song "Farewell of the Slav" is the Kuban Cossack Choir. One of the soloists Nastya Tsybizova is young, but her voice is beautiful.
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 16 2013 15: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      Singers and Zara (Kurdian, Yezidi), "Farewell of the Slav"

      The weakest performance ever heard. Zara as a singer belongs to the category of "singing underpants."
      The strongest performance is the Kuban Cossack Choir. Soloist Nastya Tsybizova, young, but her voice is beautiful.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 16 2013 17: 27 New
        +3
        Here, like a gritsa, it tastes and color ...;) The main thing is that the singers do not spoil this song.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 17: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: baltika-18
        Zara as a singer belongs to the category of "singing underpants."

        Interesting opinion and rating!
        Take into service))))
    4. Piran
      Piran April 18 2013 02: 10 New
      -1
      Such are the Slavs now ...
  37. ed65b
    ed65b April 16 2013 13: 12 New
    +5
    In Samarkand, at the Russian cemetery, there is a monument to Russian soldiers who died in 1915. a small garrison of Cossacks and infantry restrained the onslaught of 55 thousand Meskhetian Turks for 2 weeks. Fought off.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg April 16 2013 18: 37 New
      +1
      Maybe I’m mistaken, but the Meskhetian Turks appeared in Samarkand thanks to Stalin.
    2. rus9875
      rus9875 April 17 2013 23: 02 New
      +2
      There were no Meskhetian Turks in those parts, they lived in Georgia before they were not sent to Central Asia in the forties of the 20th century. If you don’t know anything, it’s better just to keep silent. And you didn’t have a question ? Who called them there? Maybe if you hadn’t climbed into Asia at one time and there wouldn’t have been problems with migrant workers now?
  38. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 16 2013 13: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Eric
    And where are my fellow countrymen of Tambovchani?

    Looks like we went hi
  39. nemec55
    nemec55 April 16 2013 13: 24 New
    +7
    Putin painted a picture
    transformations of the North Caucasus into
    thriving resort
    - Russia will build in the North Caucasus
    five new ski resorts


    And in my village there is no gym sales,
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 16 2013 13: 50 New
      +3
      Do you have a place for ski slopes in the village? and gymnasiums, I think, are absent in Chechen villages.
    2. Andy
      Andy April 16 2013 14: 16 New
      +1
      it’s lucky if there is at least asphalt. In the outback neither an ambulance nor a fire can pass. But those who rise from their knees on this site do not know if there is life beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Especially for them, you need to release a boutique globe
  40. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 16 2013 15: 06 New
    0
    The half-corrupt officials will pervert any idea, even the orphans allocated for housing will be stolen from orphans, and then there are some immigrants.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv April 16 2013 18: 06 New
      0
      “Unofficially corrupt bureaucracy ...” - it is believed that it’s purely not where they’re not littering, but where they clean it, especially if they clean it with confiscation.
  41. denis90
    denis90 April 16 2013 15: 12 New
    0
    "The collapse of the Soviet Union, and the humanitarian catastrophe, economic tectonics, political uncertainty in the former Soviet republics that followed, did their job," and the perpetrators of this walk free, and how.
  42. Yarbay
    Yarbay April 16 2013 15: 39 New
    0
    it is already crossing all boundaries !!
    Who pisses me off and why ???
    1. ed65b
      ed65b April 16 2013 16: 01 New
      0
      And what is bad to plus?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 16: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: ed65b
        And what is bad to plus?

        Well, not so cruel already at 6 thousand in 2 hours !!
        And yet I would like to know why !! ??
        The pluses and shoulder straps are important to me in any way, but as a support of my opinion on some issue !!
        1. Dr. Pilyulkin
          Dr. Pilyulkin April 16 2013 16: 40 New
          +1
          I repent, sinful. A couple of times in this thread plus. I won’t do it again. smile good
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 16 2013 16: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Dr. Pilyulkin
            I repent, sinful. A couple of times in this thread plus. I won’t do it again.

            No, someone pluses me in the rear !!
            Thank you, of course, he needs to be said, but it’s uncomfortable like that, it’s bad !!
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 April 16 2013 17: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          Well, not so cruel already at 6 thousand in 2 hours !!

          6040.
          Do not be shy.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 16 2013 17: 31 New
            -2
            Quote: baltika-18
            Do not be shy.

            I’m not shy, but I don’t understand!
            If it were clear, someone would be offended!
            and friends know my attitude to the pros and would not bother!
  43. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 16 2013 15: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    it is already crossing all boundaries !!
    Who the hell out of me plus and for what ???


    I can put a minus if shoulder straps are very crushing wink hi

    But I didn’t put a plus. request
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 16: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: Nevsky

      I can put a minus if shoulder straps are very crushing

      But I didn’t put a plus.

      Well, I will count on you!))

      The request to the respected pluser is not to plus me!
      this is an extra waste of your precious time and energy !!
      I honestly do not care!
  44. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 April 16 2013 19: 41 New
    +2
    They will grab grief when there are more Kurds. My parents live in the Kuban. The Kurds were also allowed into their village at the time. As soon as they gained a “critical mass” in the year 93, problems began, came to stabbing, the people burst with patience and rushed. Since then, the Kurds live compactly in one part of the village, there were a couple more “bursts”, but so, slightly, only their faces were beaten. If it weren’t for our foul power and we wouldn’t live, we would have expelled everyone to hell.
    1. George
      George April 16 2013 23: 02 New
      +3
      I apologize for the intrusion, but the story had a place. Kurds worked there black, even teenagers were raped. I looked at the zomboyaschik as the Cossacks tried to put things in order, and one acquaintance, being an RNE activist at the time, told me how they traveled by bus to bury the Kurds, but it cost like without killing.
      But in general I think that we ourselves are to blame for this. They come, see that the Russians do not care about anything, just to work off the sin in vain, and faster on the weekend - the vodka heats up. And they would be strong, they would put the insolents in place that visitors that of their compatriots (corrupt bureaucrats, this is primarily true).
  45. vkusniikorj
    vkusniikorj April 16 2013 21: 14 New
    +1
    as it is in Russian, to scrub the country, and after crying with a dirty hand over the weekly stubble, cry to the same bogeyman: -the bastards sold their homeland !!!
    1. Angry lumberjack
      Angry lumberjack April 17 2013 00: 12 New
      +2
      Exactly in the top ten!
    2. Flooding
      Flooding April 17 2013 09: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: vkusniikorj
      as it is in Russian, to scrub the country, and after crying with a dirty hand over the weekly stubble, cry to the same bogeyman: -the bastards sold their homeland !!!

      In order to draw something, you need to create something. And in order to create something, you need to have something from God. In the post-Soviet republics, they managed to tear out what was created by the wrong hands.
      1. vkusniikorj
        vkusniikorj April 17 2013 10: 37 New
        0
        and the Metropolis? Did she end up in God's bosom? do not get the hell out of my head for .....!
        Moscow bent down; all the others fell! And many local marshals and generals, despising the oath to the Motherland and the People, silently changed the star to an eagle!
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 17 2013 16: 09 New
          0
          Quote: vkusniikorj
          and the Metropolis? Did she end up in God's bosom? do not get the hell out of my head for .....!

          No, slow-witted You are such. I'm not talking about that at all. You wrote:
          Quote: vkusniikorj
          as it is in Russian, to scrub the country, and after crying with a dirty hand over the weekly stubble, cry to the same bogeyman: -the bastards sold their homeland !!!

          I explain: do-it-yourself crap created by the user is, of course, offensive. But business is gaining. Could one day, and do another friend. But what is shining for Moldova, for example, that has squandered everything that it had in Soviet times? And she had a lot. Do I have to paint about the factories that were built in those days? And what will happen to schools, hospitals in twenty years?
          I summarize: there is a sort in the Slavic soul: to build, destroy, and then build again. But what about those who were built, who were taught, and who themselves would not be able to get out of shit?
  46. Kazbek
    Kazbek April 16 2013 21: 46 New
    +2
    As the cat Leopold said, friends, let's live together.
    1. Naval
      Naval April 16 2013 22: 03 New
      +4
      I absolutely agree with you, but with one condition: do not go to someone else’s monastery with your own charter, respect Kazakh traditions in Kazakhstan, Uzbek traditions in Uzbekistan, and do not cut sheep in squares and courtyards of high-rise buildings in Russia .. hi
  47. Naval
    Naval April 16 2013 21: 56 New
    +3
    As long as the titular nation can "digest" strangers, assimilating them, migration is not terrible. Pushkin was more Russian than any Ivanov. But when the influx of migrants rolls over, and instead of assimilation, they begin to live as diasporas, uniting in "interest clubs", and arranging their power and their traditions in enclaves where even the police are afraid to look, then this is really scary, and this is the beginning of the end of the indigenous residents.
  48. darksoul
    darksoul April 16 2013 23: 12 New
    +2
    A quiet occupation in all directions ... it feels like everything is fine in our country except the Russians .... in order for a compatriot to return to his homeland you need to drown in paperwork, and then perhaps ... officials make compatriots anyone
  49. Arsen
    Arsen April 16 2013 23: 13 New
    +3
    I confirm that it’s an extremely strange program for compatriots that is engaged in exporting Armenians in Armenia - it turned out from the article that there are also Kurds to Russia. The main problem of Armenia is emigration, the main problem of Russia, apparently - immigration. Why do we need a program that exacerbates the main problems of both states?
  50. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 16 2013 23: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: baltika-18
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Singers and Zara (Kurdian, Yezidi), "Farewell of the Slav"

    The weakest performance ever heard. Zara as a singer belongs to the category of "singing underpants."
    The strongest performance is the Kuban Cossack Choir. Soloist Nastya Tsybizova, young, but her voice is beautiful.

    Zara from the same opera as Angelica Agurbash, whom her husband gave a concert in the Kremlin Palace with paid friends for the audience.