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Money for Serbia: not for interest

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A few days ago, on April 10, Ivica Dacic, the Prime Minister of Serbia, met with Sergei Shoigu, Russia's defense minister. The parties talked about military-technical cooperation. Comrade Dacic, whose words are quoted "Lenta.ru", said: "There is a great need for the Serbian army to modernize and purchase modern types of weapons." Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, who also communicated with Dacic, said that Russia provided Serbia with a state loan of half a billion dollars, and on preferential terms.


The agreement on state lending was signed in the presence of Medvedev and Dachich.

Olga Samofalova ("Vzglyad.ru") believes that Russia manages to combine economic interests with concern for political influence. Some conditions of the Serbian half-billion loan, in the opinion of the journalist, “look exclusive.”

Brief data on the loan: term - 10 years, the rate - 3,5% per annum. The grace period for loan servicing is two years. Repayment will begin in the third year. The first tranche in the amount of 300 million dollars will be provided in the near future, and Russia will issue the remaining 200 million dollars after the country concludes a stabilization agreement with the International Monetary Fund.

The purpose of this loan is not directly mentioned, however, earlier, in the fall of 2012, Serbia asked Russia for a loan to cover the budget deficit. Called the sum of 1 billion dollars.

At the talks we are talking about the friendship of nations. According to Dm. Medvedev, who adheres to the Western-liberal communication style, Russia and Serbia are "really particularly privileged partners." Ivica Dacic straightened Medvedev's style, which strongly favors Americanism, with a firm response: “We are friends, the Serbian people are very grateful for the support that Russia has given Serbia”.

Yes, friends, let us add. It sounds much better than "partners", even if they are "privileged."

Oleg Dushin, a senior analyst at IC Zerich Capital Management, explained to Vzlyad.ru that the conditions for granting a loan to Serbia are quite normal. These percentages are not too high, but not too low. For comparison: in 2010, Russia gave Serbia 200 million dollars to stabilize the budget for 3,4% per annum for 11 years. Then the Kremlin gave the Serbs more 800 million for the modernization of railways - already under 4,1% per annum. But the “big European troika” in 2011 gave an emergency loan to Greece (up to 15 years) under 3,5%, and at the end of 2012, Greece had to reduce its interest rate to 2,5%, and extend the loan period.

Oleg Dushin says: “Russia is striving at least partially to restore the influence in the world that was under the USSR. The means for this is lending at the government level, when not only loan agreements, but also political agreements are concluded. ” The analyst explains: “As for the Balkans, after the collapse of the CMEA (USSR), the Balkan countries left out of our influence. Especially bright in terms of care is the example of Bulgaria. Serbia and Montenegro remained conditionally “ours” in this region. Therefore, it is advisable to support them. "

You can not ignore the military-industrial component of the Russian-Serbian relations. Let's not forget that Comrade Shoigu also talked with Dacic. Russia's credit generosity can also be explained by a collective defense vector.

Vladimir Mukhin ("Independent newspaper") believes that the agreement on granting Serbian state credit to Serbia indicates a significant thaw in relations between the two countries. On the same day, when the agreement was formalized, Dacic met with Shoigu. There were reports of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, according to which Moscow and Belgrade declared their readiness in the near future to intensify military and military-technical cooperation.

Shoigu said: “The Russian military delegation is ready to sign an agreement in Belgrade in the near future between the defense departments of Russia and Serbia.” He also said that “in May, the Defense Minister expects the visit of the Chief of the General Staff of the Serbian Armed Forces, Colonel-General Lubish Dikovic.”

As for Dacic, he developed the theme of friendship of peoples, noting that “Sergey Shoigu has long been a great friend of Serbia, supported the Serbian people during the most difficult time of the war and enemy bombardment.” He further recalled the personal contribution of the Russian Defense Minister to the creation of a Serbian-Russian humanitarian center in Nis. The Serbian Prime Minister also announced future changes: “From now on, our cooperation will be built differently. I am sure that Sergei Shoigu will personally make a significant contribution to strengthening ties between the armies of Serbia and Russia. ”

Vladimir Mukhin also points out that 11 of April Serbia received observer status with the Parliamentary Assembly of the Collective Security Treaty Organization. Experts consider this event a breakthrough achievement of Russia and its allies in the realization of geopolitical interests in the South of Europe. The initiated military transformations in the CSTO, as well as the organization of new tasks oriented towards Europe, significantly change the situation. After all, earlier the CSTO did not form plans that went beyond the post-Soviet space.

CSTO Secretary General Nikolai Bordyuzha told NG correspondent that “the proposal to grant observer status to the CSTO PA to the National Assembly of Serbia came from the leadership of this republic.” True, he noted that it’s too early to talk about the prospects for full-fledged Serbia’s entry into the CSTO. “This issue has not been discussed with the Serbian leadership,” N. Bordyuzha specified. He also noted that Serbia is granted observer status in the framework of the CSTO legislative bodies, and not in the organization itself.

The NG interlocutor clarified: “The status of an observer in the CSTO itself means the actual participation of the country in its activities. For Serbia, this status will not be so far. ” Bordyuzha believes that Serbia’s activities in the CSTO PA “are an important international event, this is the establishment of new contacts of the countries of collective defense already outside the post-Soviet space, which expands the borders of the CSTO and strengthens its authority”.

Captain I rank Konstantin Sivkov, who for a long time headed the department in the Center for Military Strategic Studies of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, believes that "Russia's military objectives in the Balkans are more ambitious." He recalled that the United States in Kosovo has the largest military base in Europe. In his opinion, Kosovo, as part of the territory of Serbia, is occupied by the Americans and other NATO military contingents - under the disguise of "blue helmets".

Comrade Sivkov believes that the Russian military presence in Serbia was an asymmetric response to the deployment of US missile defense systems in Europe. He says: “If Russian military facilities are deployed in Serbia (groups aviationlaunchers of Iskander operational-tactical missiles, etc.), then they, of course, will strengthen the sovereignty of Serbia and become one of the constraining factors that strengthen the security of Belgrade. "

Serbian journalists, by the way, directly asked the Russian prime minister what kind of help the Serbian people could expect from Moscow in the further resolution of the Kosovo issue. Medvedev in response stressed, reports S. Kalmykova ("Voice of Russia"), that Russia supported and will support Serbia on Kosovo, but first of all the Serbian people themselves should be interested in resolving this issue.

Concluding the Serbian plot, let's return to the economy in a circle. Another confirmation of the friendship of nations can be the South Stream project.

As transmitted RIA News", Russia will fully finance the construction of the Serbian section of the South Stream gas pipeline worth 1,7 billion euros.

Comrade Dacic explained at the press conference: “Russia has come up with a proposal to fully finance the Serbian section, and then Serbia will repay its part with funds that it receives from the transit tariff. We consider this proposal to be very correct. ” According to him, the construction of the Serbian section will begin in December 2013 of the year.

The exact dates when Serbia will be able to fully redeem the value of its share of construction have not been named.

The head of Gazprom, A. Miller, recalled that in February 21 in Serbia had approved a law giving the Serbian section of South Stream the status of a national project.

As the Newsru.com, Miller confirmed the readiness of the Russian monopoly to secure financial investments. Gazprom undertakes all financial obligations under the project because Serbia cannot afford such investments: after all, there is a budget deficit in the country. By the way, Gazprom will finance the Bulgarian part of South Stream - already worth 3 billion euros. The state-owned Bulgarian energy holding does not have enough money to implement such a large-scale project.

And a little more economics. According to information Finmarket, Russia will allow duty-free importation of limited shipments of Fiat cars assembled in Serbia. Following the meeting with Vladimir Putin, Ivica Dačić announced this. If the agreement is signed, Russia will receive the right to import its cars to Serbia under the same conditions, I. Dacic added. The first batch of Fiat cars delivered to Russia can make 10 thousands of cars.

With regard to the issue of friendship of peoples, the reporter "Voices of Russia" Svetlana Kalmykova noted that during the final press conference, the Prime Minister of Serbia now and then switched to Russian. Moreover, he even corrected the translator if he could not accurately convey the expressions of sincere friendship.

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  1. Mitek
    Mitek April 16 2013 07: 43
    37
    Yes ... If it weren’t for the drunkards in the 90s, no one would have broken Serbia ... And the current course is right. For Russia, the money is small, and the help to a pro-Russian state is not bad.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 16 2013 09: 27
      17
      Quote: Mitek
      Had 90x not been a drunkard fight, no one would have torn Serbia ..
      They didn’t tear Serbia, they tear Yugoslavia ... And maybe it became just because they torn the USSR. So, as EBN is not disgusting to us, it is just a pawn in the hands of the US State Department ...
      The main thing now is to give the Serbs a chance not to die and not disappear .... But we can and, judging by the results of the negotiations, we started to do
      1. Arberes
        Arberes April 16 2013 11: 31
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        The main thing now is to give the Serbs a chance not to die and not disappear .... But we can and, judging by the results of the negotiations,

        Serb brothers, this is certainly good. But why do they gravitate more towards the European Union, but are they joining NATO slowly? With the collapse of the USSR and the VD bloc, the geopolitical situation has completely changed, and it’s not in favor of RUSSIA and SERBIA and it’s simply not short-sighted to notice this!
        What am I leading to? Well, imagine the situation that SERBIA again decisively began to demand KOSOVO under its jurisdiction and brought in troops (well, or some similar option) and how RUSSIA, surrounded by NATO satellites, can help the SERBES ???
        No way !!!
        They handed over their leader MILOSHEVICH for 1 billion bucks! They will surrender KOSOVO too and it’s just a matter of time; they have nowhere to go and there is nothing to be done.
        Well, is it that NATO will collapse under the corrupting influence of the gay culture of Western liberalism?
        So is the game worth the candle? Yes, we tried to be friends with BULGARIA for a long time, but in difficult times for us, these "brothers" always found themselves in opposite trenches!
        And what am I proposing?
        No more brotherhood, only healthy pragmatism and mutually beneficial conditions and interests for cooperation.
        Alas, such a harsh reality!
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. April 16 2013 12: 28
          +3
          "No more brotherhood ... favorable conditions and interests" - great, throwing from + to -, let's take on the enemy mentality, just great!
          1. Arberes
            Arberes April 16 2013 13: 00
            +3
            Quote: Ivan.
            "No more brotherhood ... favorable conditions and interests" - great, throwing from + to -, let's take on the enemy mentality, just great!

            The USSR lent many fraternally, one trouble, the loans to the former USSR-RUSSIA "brothers" are not going to return!
            Maybe enough fools to grow?
            And no throwing, we are now capitalists with a market economy and must be able to count our money!
            But that's not the point! Let the brothers decide with whom they will go, and not rush about in search of fleeting benefits from a freebie!
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. April 16 2013 13: 10
              12
              I will never be a capitalist and I will not exploit my neighbor; I will not. With the capitalist, we are on the opposite side of the barricades.
              1. lelikas
                lelikas April 16 2013 15: 23
                +3
                Quote: Ivan.
                I will never be a capitalist and I will not exploit my neighbor; I will not. With the capitalist, we are on the opposite side of the barricades.

                OK, you are not a capitalist, but our farmers / collective farmers - yes, but now ask them about the percentage of loans for agriculture?
                Why should weapons for Serbs be more important than caring for our citizens, who feed us by the way? And this is only the first thing that comes to mind.
                1. Ivan.
                  Ivan. April 16 2013 15: 50
                  +5
                  What are you talking about? The country's defense capability depends not only on the army, but also on the policy and strategy of the state in relation to third countries. You would rather make claims (with me) about the tribute that Russia pays to the United States, and not only, in the amount of several hundred billions annually in the form of the purchase of "securities", stabilization parties, etc. a state bank, and a high percentage of lending in Russia is one of the ways to pay tribute.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding April 17 2013 09: 53
                    +2
                    Vanya, +++
                    It is gratifying to see in words the spirit of a Russian person.
                    We should all understand that lending to international partners cannot be viewed only in the light of short-term gain. There are, after all, the strategic interests of the state. Of course, you need to approach lending very selectively. And, of course, lending is not the purchase of NATO weapons for the Serbian army.
                    But those who write "Why! Better to distribute to the people! There are traitors around" are very sad. Let's start with the fact that, unfortunately, it doesn't hurt that much the state cares about the people. Will it be easier on your heart if you buy American bonds for these half a billion?
                    1. ksenofont7
                      ksenofont7 April 21 2013 11: 13
                      0
                      right. fully subscribe to your opinion
              2. Containers
                Containers April 16 2013 19: 23
                +1
                Alas, calling us brothers, they are just exploiting us. Moreover, constantly, but we all believe ... And our pragmatism (if it finally appears) has no relation to the exploitation by US.
                1. fokino1980
                  fokino1980 April 16 2013 19: 55
                  +1
                  How did they exploit you ??? You need to know what you are talking about!
              3. Vovka levka
                Vovka levka April 17 2013 00: 12
                0
                Where did you see the barricades?
                Look carefully.
            2. Deniska999
              Deniska999 April 16 2013 15: 15
              +3
              Moreover, we have forgiven these debts to many, for we understand that they are taking time.
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. April 16 2013 15: 52
                +3
                We were forced to forgive even more.
            3. core
              core April 16 2013 16: 11
              +2
              I agree with you, and even as you can believe the Serbs, they surrendered their president to NATO.
              1. fokino1980
                fokino1980 April 16 2013 19: 58
                0
                They did not surrender their president, but WE surrendered him to the mercy of "liberastam" Instead of supporting the only ally of all time !!!
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm April 16 2013 20: 26
                0
                Quote: core
                I agree with you, and even as you can believe the Serbs, they surrendered their president to NATO.

                After Russia betrayed the Serbs.
                1. Tony tomahawk
                  Tony tomahawk April 19 2013 01: 09
                  +2
                  Russia itself was then in a loyal, crushed and torn state, now this would not have happened to NATO, Russia is not on its knees, which means it will not let its neighbors fall.
            4. vezunchik
              vezunchik April 16 2013 16: 59
              +1
              money is not ours! And their ....
            5. KamikadZzzE1959
              KamikadZzzE1959 April 16 2013 17: 23
              +2
              When all little brothers feel bad-- Russia help!
              When they feel good-- walk Vanya ..
              Dostoevsky was right a thousand times ...
              1. Containers
                Containers April 16 2013 19: 24
                0
                Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
                1. fokino1980
                  fokino1980 April 16 2013 20: 00
                  0
                  And in your eye !!!! You're talking about whom and for whom !!! They were the first to take the blow of NATO against Orthodoxy !!! Learn the story of a dvoechnik !!!
                  1. Cyanide
                    Cyanide April 16 2013 20: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: fokino1980
                    NATO strike against Orthodoxy

                    Are you really that? Wake up, comrade.
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm April 16 2013 20: 28
                +3
                Quote: KamikadZzzE1959
                When all little brothers feel bad-- Russia help!

                Tell us how Russia helped the little brothers Serbs in 1999 when they were very ill?
            6. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm April 16 2013 20: 24
              +2
              Quote: Arberes
              Let the brothers decide with whom they will go, and not rush about in search of fleeting benefits from a freebie!

              Russia shamefully betrayed these brothers in 1999.
              Yugoslavia was not a member of the VD and was the most developed socialist camp country. The USSR did not lend to this country. And yet, the Serbs are good soldiers.
              They could not help in 1999, so even though they are economically supporting now, in the future it will pay off with interest.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac April 17 2013 00: 26
                +1
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                They could not help in 1999, so even though they are economically supporting now, in the future it will pay off with interest.

                Doubtful statement, nothing more than paid off.
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                The USSR did not lend to this country.

                The USSR credited indirectly, not directly.
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Russia shamefully betrayed these brothers in 1999.

                BROTHERS Russia did not betray, it is necessary to determine who the Russian brother is, otherwise you are ready to record distant relatives, and even extraneous, dubious personalities as brothers.
            7. Tony tomahawk
              Tony tomahawk April 19 2013 01: 07
              +2
              Russia is not as spoiled by capitalism as the United States, they gave a loan - and write off very many. It’s only a shame that when Russia was given a loan, it was given at crazy interest, and no relief was visible.
          2. andrejwz
            andrejwz April 16 2013 14: 08
            0
            Quote: Ivan.
            Serb brothers, this is certainly good. But why do they gravitate more towards the European Union, but are they joining NATO slowly?

            After 1999, it's weird, right?
            It is difficult to regain trust, or rather faith.
            And Medvedev, not the one who was worth making a messenger.
            I want to believe that after the first step it will be easier.
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. April 16 2013 15: 09
              0
              This quote is not mine - "Quote: Arberes"
            2. fokino1980
              fokino1980 April 16 2013 20: 01
              0
              BECAUSE WE DROPED THEM !!!! A country in poverty, how can they live if Russia has turned its back ???
              1. Setrac
                Setrac April 17 2013 00: 28
                +1
                Quote: fokino1980
                BECAUSE WE DROPED THEM !!!! A country in poverty, how can they live if Russia has turned its back ???

                Well, we know HOW Russia has turned away, has ceased to provide resources for resale by dubious allies to the west. Let them work, and not engage in speculative trade in other people's goods.
          3. Kolya
            Kolya April 18 2013 08: 19
            0
            Serbia would look great in the Eurasian Union. The West would be taken to intensive care.
        2. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN April 16 2013 12: 59
          +7
          Quote: Arberes
          Serb brothers, this is certainly good. But why do they gravitate more towards the European Union, but are they joining NATO slowly? With the collapse of the USSR and the VD bloc, the geopolitical situation has completely changed, and it’s not in favor of RUSSIA and SERBIA and it’s simply not short-sighted to notice this!

          Dear, which NATO, cookie, we wake up, rather they want to join the CSTO, have already agreed during the last meeting in the Kremlin that they will become observers.

          Quote: Arberes
          So is the game worth the candle? Yes, we tried to be friends with BULGARIA for a long time, but in difficult times for us, these "brothers" always found themselves in opposite trenches!

          What does Bulgaria have to do with it? if we are talking about the Serbs, and they just never raised arms to Russia, unlike many other peoples, and have always been our allies. And they handed over their heroes, so they had their own Yeltsin, like ours, he handed over and sold everything left and right, and before leaving the post, he still seemed to have promised Geyrope to surrender Kosovo completely, but did not have time to legalize it. We need to help them, especially when we can calmly do it. Serbs our brothers, tested by fire and sword, warriors and blood, Russians do not surrender their !!!!
          1. Arberes
            Arberes April 16 2013 13: 09
            +3
            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            Dear, which NATO, cookie, we wake up, rather they want to join the CSTO, have already agreed during the last meeting in the Kremlin that they will become observers.

            Yes, in my opinion is it you respected very naive think ???
            What a CSTO if they are sitting in the center of the NATO estate!
            And you naively believe that they will be allowed to pursue an independent policy with pro-Russian interests?
            Ku-ku comrade wake up, it's already dawn!
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN April 16 2013 13: 47
              +2
              Quote: Arberes
              What a CSTO if they are sitting in the center of the NATO estate!

              So according to your logic, how Amer will set up bases around us, we’ll run to jump into NATO belay as they say - the wrong word is logical! and tell me your source of information that tells you that the Serbs go to NATO ??? and therefore they become observers in the CSTO .. what

              Quote: Arberes
              And you naively believe that they will be allowed to pursue an independent policy with pro-Russian interests?

              I believe that now the chance is given, as long as the crisis in the West, most likely it will go on the rise, it’s time for us to help the Serbs and ourselves to gain a foothold in the Balkans.
              And naively thought, those who in 2008 thought that Russia would surrender its and its interests in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. They worn themselves out once, it’s okay if they wipe off again, it’s not in vain that Nikolic made the first trip to Russia after being elected to the post of prident, and now, after the failure of the negotiations in Brussels, he went to consultations in Moscow, and you give up, give up .....
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt April 16 2013 23: 19
                +1
                Serbia officially received the status of a candidate for accession to the European Union. This decision was made on Thursday, March 1, 2013, at the EU summit.
                "European Council granted candidate status to Serbia"
                Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/02/03/2012/640095.shtml My personal opinion: I don’t see a candidate for EU membership in the Collective Security Treaty Organization !!! More likely in another 4-letter alliance . PS I have an excellent attitude towards the Serbs, but rulers, not ordinary Serbs, carry out foreign policy. ============= 70% of the country's inhabitants oppose Serbia's entry into NATO, while only 5% trust this military alliance of respondents - these are the results of a published opinion poll conducted by the Ipsos strategic marketing agency and B92 television channel.
                1. FATEMOGAN
                  FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 15: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  Serbia officially received the status of a candidate for accession to the European Union. This decision was made on Thursday, March 1, 2013, at the EU summit.

                  So they will not be allowed into the EU, even if they completely surrender Kosovo, new conditions will be put forward. As the Serbs themselves jokingly joke, they only have to pass Prince Lazar and Milos Obilic to join the EU. Now Europe is clearly not up to expansion, they would not fall apart.
            2. fokino1980
              fokino1980 April 16 2013 20: 05
              -1
              Listen YOU are not a connoisseur !!! Understand, read, chat ??? Not everything is as simple as you think !!! But do not dare to offend the Serbs !!! They are my friends! and you know NOTHING
          2. ultra
            ultra April 16 2013 13: 49
            +2
            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            Dear, which NATO, cookie, we wake up, rather they want to join the CSTO
            They sleep and see themselves in the European Union, and the CSTO, in order to stimulate the "gayrope", to speed up the process! negative
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN April 16 2013 14: 13
              +2
              Quote: ultra
              They sleep and see themselves in the European Union,

              You know, if you had a referendum on joining the EU in Russia in the 90s, then too dofiga, who would have agreed to join the EU, and white-tape ones probably still want to get in there. They have their 90 years after the country didn’t recover from NATO aggression, unemployment and hopelessness, although we had gas and oil at that time, they had nothing of the kind. It’s not easy for them to get up from their knees, and even the Serbs don’t want to join the Geyropu, at least with those I spoke to, were against it.
              1. ultra
                ultra April 16 2013 16: 42
                +1
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                You know, if you had a referendum on joining the EU in Russia in the 90s,
                History does not know the subjunctive mood! hi
          3. fokino1980
            fokino1980 April 16 2013 20: 02
            0
            Thank you though you are with us !!!
        3. Retx
          Retx April 16 2013 13: 40
          +4
          Ukrainians identity in the flow? They are eager to join the EU earlier, but they declare joining NATO. Cut planes, don’t pay for gas, do not let ships into ports. In short, they are not brothers to us, but! So what? Well, well, because of people like you, the USSR collapsed
          1. Containers
            Containers April 16 2013 19: 30
            +3
            Yes, it’s true - let’s help everyone who, if the opportunity arises, not only cuts the earthlings, but also sets the cattle on fire.
            While anti-Russian citizens are at the helm of the state, there is nothing to negotiate with them, alas. And there is no need to say "if we give preferences, they will be for us." There will always be someone who can give more - we, alas, are no longer the USSR.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac April 17 2013 00: 33
            +3
            Quote: RETX
            Ukrainians identity in the flow? They are eager to join the EU earlier, but they declare joining NATO. Cut planes, don’t pay for gas, do not let ships into ports. In short, they are not brothers to us, but! So what? Well, well, because of people like you, the USSR collapsed

            when Ukraine joins NATO, according to existing agreements, the question will be about the return of territories, in fact, Lviv will join NATO with the adjacent regions.
        4. fokino1980
          fokino1980 April 16 2013 19: 52
          +2
          Well, here according to Zhvanetsky: let's argue about the taste of pineapple with those who ate them. I have many friends of Serbs, Macedonians, Montenegrins. Your writing would have offended them as well as me. We, even if not each of us and BNE, betrayed Serbia for the first time in the foreseeable future, and you bastard now do this by comparing them with Slavic prostitutes, Bulgarians. THIS IS VERY OFFENSIVE !!! Serbs are not Bulgarians. When they were bombed, they prayed for RUSSIA, hoped for it and continue to do so now. Our rulers "clicked" the situation. They, like us in Russia, have everything in the capital, and just like we cannot fix this situation. LIVE SERBIA !!!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 17 2013 00: 38
            +1
            Quote: fokino1980
            . We, though not each of us but BNE, have betrayed Serbia

            Did Russia have obligations to protect Serbia? In my opinion you bring the blame on the healthy. Those who want protection from Russia - welcome to the Customs Union, the CSTO, those who wish can even join the Russian Federation, then they will be protected by Russian nuclear weapons, and the Serbs (in this case, the Serbian government) want to eat and cut down their virginity.
      2. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN April 16 2013 11: 47
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        Not tore Serbia, tore Yugoslavia.

        So, but not so. They tore Yugoslavia and destroyed Serbia, except for the Serbs, the rest formed normal states, and Serbia was torn into at least 4 parts: Serbia itself, the Republic of Srpska, which is part of the BIG, then Montenegro and Kosovo were torn off. I'm not even talking about the large enclave of Serbs in Croatia, which the Ustashi (Croatian fascists) razed to the ground with the "Grad", long before the Georgians and Tskhinvali did this, although we practically do not talk about this. And now a new booze is planned in Serbia, they want to cut off the Vojvodina Land from it. So, there is no need to leave the Serb Brothers in a difficult time, they got no less than ours, the Serbs, just like us, are an artificially divided people, and their "corrupt Borka" left his post less than a year ago, surrendering everyone and everything to Geyrope and America. So it will not be easy for Nikolic to pull his country out of the hole, I hope Russia will not leave the Brothers in trouble and everything will be like in the Serbian proverb - "God is in heaven, Russia is on earth." and lastly a short video that Vojislav Seselj spoke in the Hague prison about Serbs and Russians ...


        1. ultra
          ultra April 16 2013 13: 53
          0
          Quote: FATEMOGAN
          So don’t throw the Serb Brothers into a difficult year,
          The Serbs themselves chose a course towards Europe, what will we forcibly save them? hi
          1. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN April 16 2013 14: 13
            -1
            Quote: ultra
            The Serbs themselves have chosen a course towards Europe, we will save them by force

            Answered above
        2. se-ma
          se-ma April 16 2013 17: 50
          -1
          I fully support you dear!
        3. fokino1980
          fokino1980 April 16 2013 20: 08
          0
          WE TRIED THEM !!! Is it really not clear !!! And all sorts of scribblers like Arberes do not know the essence of the matter !!! Learn to read, read again
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop April 16 2013 20: 15
            +4
            Let's define it. When they suddenly sell, "it's not them, they have the corrupt bastard at the top of the line." And who was at the helm at that time, not the same? So why
            Quote: fokino1980
            WE TRIED THEM !!!
            It is WE, and not our sales leadership at that time? I personally did not betray them, you (I hope) - neither. And with all this, we are a couple of traitors ... With what joy? recourse
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN April 16 2013 21: 19
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              It is WE, and not our sales leadership at that time? I personally did not betray them, you (I hope) - neither. And with all this, we are a couple of traitors ... With what joy?

              We did not betray the Serbs, but people like you, with a cynical approach to the grief of others, who is who, and the Serbs certainly did not deserve such an attitude. If we have a chance to restore our independence sooner or later by ourselves, then the Serbs do not have such an alternative at all, without our help, Serbia will be turned into a European settler! so I’ll ask you not to drive the Serbs !!!
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop April 16 2013 22: 44
                +1
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                so I’ll ask you not to drive the Serbs !!!
                And it’s possible to drive me? And do not give a damn where I was then and what I was doing. Interesting position recourse
                1. FATEMOGAN
                  FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 02: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  And it’s possible to drive me? And do not give a damn where I was then and what I was doing. Interesting position

                  I protect the Serbs, against which you are clearly taking up arms. If you have something against them, say so specifically, otherwise you just go and it’s incomprehensible, for which reason you are trying to kick them secretly, when they already had a hard time in life, and from the outside, it looks very ugly.
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop April 17 2013 10: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: FATEMOGAN
                    I protect

                    You do not defend, but attack. For everyone who, for any reason, has the impudence to disagree with you. Not really at the same time embarrassed in methods and means. And assistance, if provided, should be sent ONLY on the basis of interstate agreements and under TEST control. Otherwise, it will be anywhere, but not with the Serbs. There are more than enough examples around. At the same time, help MUST be in providing them with the opportunity to EARN (orders for enterprises, etc.). Among other things, it will push frank crooks out of the feeder (they don’t like to work, they like sharing, not forgetting themselves).

                    Think for yourself what you want as a result of this help. A strong friend and faithful ally? Or a crowd of dependent loafers who can only share what they receive?
                    1. FATEMOGAN
                      FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 14: 34
                      -2
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      You do not defend, but attack. For everyone who, for any reason, has the impudence to disagree with you. Not really at the same time embarrassed in methods and means.

                      Stopped, that is, you think you need to sit and be silent when people are undeservedly poured mud, and in advance unfoundedly accusing them of course that they will hit Russia in the back as soon as it weakens or turns its back, or they necessarily begin to steal gas. If you had suggested this in relation to others, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Poland, Croatia, I would have agreed with you, because there were many incidents and precedents, outright betrayal, part of the population of brothers or the whole state in relation to Russia, and still there are precedents for Russophobia and backstabs. But then he and the friend that is known in trouble, and the Serbs have proved it more than once, never fighting against us and not slipping as it is now fashionable to frenzied Russophobia. You still do not answer why Serbia deserved such a negative vision in your eyes and why you equate them with other ungrateful peoples.
                      1. Misantrop
                        Misantrop April 17 2013 17: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: FATEMOGAN
                        sit and be silent when people are undeservedly being poured with mud, and beforehand unfoundedly accusing them of course that they would hit Russia in the back as soon as it weakened or turned away, or necessarily began to steal gas.

                        Do you know how to read anyone besides yourself? And understand what you read? NOBODY says what the Serbs can sell. The question of the GOVERNMENT. Which they can easily impose whatever they want (and which, by the way, will deal with the division of possible aid). Money and resources are not a pity. It will be a pity if they leave for the wrong purpose, to thieves, and even to direct enemies. If DIRECT help was possible, no questions asked. And even more so under the current ministers of the Russian Federation. The thief himself (Serdyukov) was removed, but he was NOT PLANTED. It is disgusting when a bunch of freaks fill their pockets, and all this takes the form of "fraternal assistance to a friendly people."
                        Quote: FATEMOGAN
                        why do you equate them with other ungrateful nations.

                        What does it have to do with it? Among the Crimean Tatars there are great guys. But this is not a reason to give several million to Mustafa Dzhemilev in the hope that these guys will ALSO get SOMETHING. Checked, not getting a dime
                      2. FATEMOGAN
                        FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 18: 26
                        -2
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Can you read anyone but yourself? And understand what you read? NOBODY says that Serbs can sell.

                        As for being able to read, you are certainly at the very bull's eye, especially if you take into account your words said earlier:

                        Quote: Misantrop
                        If only this brother later, instead of thanks, didn’t do you any bad things.


                        and served as an occasion for the ongoing discussion and from which you are already disowning

                        Quote: Misantrop
                        NOBODY SAYS SERBES CAN SELL


                        or you called the government of Serbia a brother, you are very original. And as for help, so again, you either don’t know or are disingenuous, because the allocated loan will go to ifrostructural projects, including the purchase of rolling stock in Russia and the improvement of railways and the construction of new ones, which you think will add workers places in Serbia itself, and help comes not only with money, for example, our Ministry of Emergency Situations, since 2008, ravaging of land in Serbia has helped, do you think it will improve the lives of ordinary people? or help in extinguishing forest fires ..., also need to be canceled, otherwise it will suddenly! as you say, someday a Russophobic government will come in Serbia and

                        Quote: Misantrop
                        brother then instead of thank you you didn’t do nasty things

                        The logic is iron ...

                        Quote: Misantrop
                        What does it have to do with it? Among the Crimean Tatars there are great guys. But this is not a reason to give several million to Mustafa Dzhemilev in the hope that these guys will ALSO get SOMETHING. Checked, not getting a dime


                        Fine guys say, well, remind you why Stalin sent them from the Crimea .. ??? then please, do not compare the traitors of our Motherland with those who have always been on the side of Russia, you would have cited the Vlasovites as an example, and after all, there are also, as you put it, excellent guys. all the same, it is necessary to separate the flies from the cutlets, and I believe that if he betrayed him, he would betray him twice. I’m almost sure that God forbid a serious booze will begin in Ukraine, we will still hear about these great guys from the cries of Allahu Akbar ....
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac April 17 2013 20: 21
                  -2
                  Quote: FATEMOGAN
                  I protect the Serbs, against which you are clearly taking up arms.

                  We are against the distribution of OUR money to anyone, even Serbs, even Cypriots.
                  1. FATEMOGAN
                    FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 21: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Setrac
                    We are against the distribution of OUR money to anyone, even Serbs, even Cypriots.

                    We ? You are expressing yourself in a non-chewed number, not with Henry XIV - ty, I have the "honor" to communicate !? wassat
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac April 17 2013 21: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: FATEMOGAN
                      We ? You are expressing yourself in a non-chewed number, not with Henry XIV - ty, I have the "honor" to communicate !?

                      We identify ourselves with 140 million Russians who earn these same billions. But you do not need my answer, you just ran out of arguments! We pass on to the person?
                    2. FATEMOGAN
                      FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 22: 02
                      -1
                      Quote: Setrac
                      We identify ourselves with 140 million Russians who earn these same billions. But you do not need my answer, you just ran out of arguments! We pass on to the person?

                      Personalities, yes I do not know you laughing you just talk to me in the words of Herich XIV - “Do you think, gentlemen, that the state is you? You are mistaken! The state is me! ” laughing
      3. Kolovrat77
        Kolovrat77 April 16 2013 23: 41
        +3
        Remember what happened in Moscow. Protests at the p. Endosovsky embassy. Fans of Spartak and CSKA forgetting enmity together protested. The streets are packed with cars, everyone is putting pressure on the horn. The buzz stood as if Moscow was crying. We (the people) did not sell them !!!
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 14: 51
          +1
          Quote: Kolovrat77
          Remember what happened in Moscow. Protests at the p. Endosovsky embassy. Fans of Spartak and CSKA forgetting enmity together protested. The streets are packed with cars, everyone is putting pressure on the horn. The buzz stood as if Moscow was crying. We (the people) did not sell them !!!

          Yes it was, then Serbia was handed over by politicians, as it were. but now, when on a patriotic website they are offering us to behave like Ivan, who does not remember kinship, and not to help Serbia - to behave like the Americans, who surrender their friends as soon as possible. While we have the opportunity to help them without straining ourselves, I cannot understand this. Have we really fallen so much that we will live by the principle of my hut on the edge, don’t find that this is a flawed policy peculiar to backward colonies, and not to a country like ours. I believe that we should remember those nations that were always on our side.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 17 2013 21: 11
            -1
            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            While we have the opportunity to help them without straining ourselves, I cannot understand this.

            One billion dollars is not straining yourself? Paraphrase.
            - Well, you're the king’s face, the official money is squandered.?
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 21: 50
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              One billion dollars is not straining yourself? Paraphrase. - Well, you royal face official money squandered.?

              To paraphrase the answer - Russo oblikomo morale! and for those who are in the tank, the Russians don’t abandon their own.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac April 17 2013 22: 35
                0
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                To paraphrase the answer - Russo oblikomo morale! and for those who are in the tank, the Russians don’t abandon their own.

                Again, back to the one who is here! If the Serbs are theirs, let them join the CSTO, the Customs Union, in the end they can join the Russian Federation, but no, they won’t do this, they need free money.
                1. FATEMOGAN
                  FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 22: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Again we return to the one who is here

                  I do not expect that His Serbs are for all Russians, but for most Russians, they are His own. And as for the entry, so they agreed, they will first be observers at the CSTO.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac April 17 2013 23: 36
                    0
                    Quote: FATEMOGAN
                    I do not expect that His Serbs are for all Russians, but for most Russians, they are His own. And as for the entry, so they agreed, they will first be observers at the CSTO.

                    Designated the movement, see if they will move along this path.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg April 16 2013 11: 46
    +3
    Quote: Mitek
    Yes ... If in the 90s there was no fight between drunks, no one would have torn Serbia ...


    We must apologize very much for these very 90s ...
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 April 16 2013 17: 42
      +3
      And I think that your brother has a problem and you won’t throw
      brother a couple of thousand well until pay
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 16 2013 20: 18
        +3
        Quote: Genady1976
        and why don’t you throw it
        brother a couple of thousand well until pay

        If only this brother would not do nasty things to you later, instead of thanks. Russia is still hiccupping that "gas by writing", too unprintable thanks from Ukraine are still pouring in ... lol
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN April 16 2013 21: 10
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          If only this brother then, instead of thanks, didn’t do you any bad things

          I don’t understand your style, the main thing is to write, but the meaning will get it myself next week. When you, us, Russia were deceived by the Serbs?, Please list the points !!! read the story before you speak, the Serbs detained Hitler for two months, not allowing the start of World War II in April. And then I look at you like Arberes, who blurted out that Serbia is moving to NATO and to the counter question with what kind of Makar did he find such secret information and who said such a thing in his ear, while Serbia will become an observer in the CSTO, did not answer, let's see what will you tell this time ....
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop April 16 2013 22: 39
            +1
            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            I don’t understand your style
            And the meaning is VERY simple. There are no nations where ONLY excellent people are (scum nations come across, but very rarely). Can you guarantee that the next president of Serbia will be better than the past? Can the Serbs? They will push (the technologies are known) the next freak like Yushchenko and ... he will merge everything. And the Serbs will again remain innocent and abandoned. So, what is next?
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 02: 19
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              They will push (the technologies are known) the next freak like Yushchenko and ... he will merge everything. And the Serbs will again remain innocent and abandoned. So, what is next?

              If you are at least a little interested in this issue, you should know that under different regimes of government that were not in Serbia and the penultimate one - ala Yushchenko, even with him, there was no Russophobia, the Serbs cannot be blamed for this, and if you argue - if so if it’s so, of course, you can even pretend to be dirt anyway and christen an ungrateful pig in absentia, but why are you doing this and what did Serbia Russia or you personally deceive and do the mucks for, you never answered.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac April 17 2013 21: 14
                -1
                Let's ask in another way: - What did Serbia do in order for Russia to help it? Justify the help.
                1. FATEMOGAN
                  FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 21: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  What has Serbia done for Russia to help it? Justify the help.

                  Already 20 substantiated, read the attentive posts above and find them.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac April 17 2013 22: 47
                    0
                    Quote: FATEMOGAN
                    Already 20 substantiated, read the attentive posts above and find them.

                    The only act of Serbia that can be pulled to the aid of Russia is the actions of Serbia in World War II, but there are two BUT.
                    First, the Serbs primarily defended their independence. If they won! But no, they simply were on the list of captured, on the list of those who thought that to cope on their own. What now? They stepped on the same rake, again a defeat due to excessive self-esteem.
                    Two months is nothing on the scale of World War II. If the Serbs lasted two years !!! So what's the difference? The Germans would have begun the concentration of troops on the border two months earlier — the USSR would have begun mobilization earlier. Nothing would have changed.
                    1. FATEMOGAN
                      FATEMOGAN April 17 2013 23: 24
                      0
                      You are familiar with such a word as friendship, otherwise you try to translate any body movement from time to time either into a monetary option or find any benefit in every action. But the Serbs helped us a lot, and this friendship was always valued !!!
                      PS long to paint, I’ll try to answer you more specifically tomorrow.
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac April 17 2013 23: 35
                      -1
                      We are also familiar with the word prostitution - when friends are made to beg money from them. Not as an example of Serbia, but to show that not only you can play with words.
                      I just can’t recall the example of assistance to Serbia-Russia.
                    3. FATEMOGAN
                      FATEMOGAN April 18 2013 00: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      We are also familiar with the word prostitution - when friends are made to beg money from them.

                      Political prostitution all the time, you have. what to show about this in relation to Serbia?
  • Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator April 16 2013 07: 47
    15
    It would be better if the Russians made a mortgage at 3,5%. Help is good as an ally, but you should not forget about your people!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 16 2013 08: 00
      +8
      Quote: Svatdevostator
      It would be better if the Russians made a mortgage at 3,5% percent

      Well, you dear, you decided to leave bankers without a piece of bread. All the people care, and who thinks about compassionate bankers. They then did not have enough for the tenth villa in Spain.
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 April 16 2013 08: 10
      19
      In Belarus, for families with children, the mortgage is 1% per annum, payments can be shifted by the time the wife leaves the decree.
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt April 16 2013 08: 47
        12
        Because Old Man at one time did not sell the sovereignty of his homeland!
        1. Vasily T.
          Vasily T. April 16 2013 11: 02
          +8
          Old Man, God bless him!
      2. SCS
        SCS April 16 2013 08: 53
        +5
        Quote: sergey32
        In Belarus, for families with children, the mortgage is 1% per annum, payments can be shifted by the time the wife leaves the decree.


        and no maternal capital and weird programs ... and
        demographic issue to be resolved!
        1. Prishtina
          Prishtina April 16 2013 12: 50
          0
          1% is certainly good .. but the refinancing rate of the country's central banks cannot be much lower than inflation .. Do you think VTB, SB and other banks give 100% of their loans from their own funds? Absolutely not. The proportion of their funds in loans is small. And this happens as follows, in short. Bank, takes a loan from the Central Bank of the country under percentage, in the case of Russia, the Central Bank rate 3.5%, then the bank grants loans to individuals and legal entities (their interest is also limited), but I do not know the maximum threshold. There are banks of the first order (such as Sberbank), there are second banks and further to credit cooperatives. The latter have wild rates of 1-35% for a simple reason ..- loan funds before getting to them, go the way of appreciation. Note Central Bank-Sber- Russian Standard- Ltd. Fin ... each twists its percentage.
          Thus, the rate of 1% can be in the post-Soviet space only with an economy similar to the economy of the USSR. With 100% regulation of the state of all financial flows. For Russia, the 1% rate will mean a shortage of funds in the Central Bank, a rise in the refinancing rate, etc. The economy will dry up.
          1. atalef
            atalef April 16 2013 13: 07
            +1
            Quote: Prishtina
            Thus, the rate of 1% can be in the post-Soviet space only with an economy similar to the economy of the USSR. With 100% regulation of the state of all financial flows. For Russia, the 1% rate will mean a shortage of funds in the Central Bank, a rise in the refinancing rate, etc. The economy will dry up.

            Nothing of the kind in Japan, the central bank rate is -0 (zero), in America -1%. And this whole system of banks in Russia is not clear. The CBR refinancing rate is 3.5% (this bank makes money selling money), why can't the same Sberbank (state bank for a minute) issue mortgage loans at least for 5-6% no more? Or 3% margin is not money ? American GKOs give 1,5% and nothing. Russia buys them and considers them a reliable place for capital.

            Quote: Prishtina
            For Russia, the 1% rate will mean a shortage of funds in the Central Bank, a rise in the refinancing rate, etc. The economy will dry up.

            And about the percentage of speech does not go, 3,5% is quite normal, by the way, why should it dry?
            1. ultra
              ultra April 16 2013 14: 15
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Nothing like that in Japan, the central bank rate is -0 (zero)

              In Japan, deflation, while we have inflation this year, is projected at 6%, and the refinancing rate is 8.25%! hi
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm April 16 2013 20: 36
                -1
                Quote: ultra
                In Japan, deflation, while we have inflation this year, is projected at 6%, and the refinancing rate is 8.25%!

                Yeah, and every year a budget surplus.
            2. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN April 16 2013 14: 24
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Nothing of the kind in Japan, the central bank rate is -0 (zero), in America -1%. And this whole system of banks in Russia is not clear. The CBR refinancing rate is 3.5% (this bank makes money selling money), why can't the same Sberbank (state bank for a minute) issue mortgage loans at least for 5-6% no more? Or 3% margin is not money ? American GKOs give 1,5% and nothing. Russia buys them and considers them a reliable place for capital.

              It takes a long time to answer why, so for the seed, Sberbank does not belong to the state, Sberbank is a private office owned by foreign investors. A 50% stake in Sberbank + 1 voting share is with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (CBR), but the CBR is independent of the state, which is even stated in the Constitution, the state has only VTB. And the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a branch of the Fed and until the state takes control of the Central Bank, there will be no low rates. If more detailed and interesting, please listen to Starikov, he clearly and intelligibly puts everything on his own shelves:

              1. atalef
                atalef April 16 2013 17: 53
                -1
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                Sberbank does not belong to the state, Sberbank is a private office owned by foreign investors. 50% of Sberbank shares + 1 voting share with the Central Bank of Russia

                Strange, but you yourself answered the question of who runs Sberbank. 50% + 1 share.

                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                The CBR is independent of the state,

                Well, tell your grandmother about these tales. The Central Bank conducts an independent MONETARY policy, but who told you that it is not dependent on the state? Who appoints the head of the Central Bank?
                The Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia) is the main tier one bank, the main issuing, monetary institution of the Russian Federation, which develops and implements, together with the Government of Russia, a unified state monetary policy and endowed with special powers, in particular, the right to issue banknotes and regulation of banks. The Bank of Russia, acting as the main coordinating and regulatory body of the entire credit system of the country, acts as the body

                In accordance with article 15 of the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”, the Board of Directors of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation includes the Chairman of the Bank of Russia and 12 members of the Board of Directors. Members of the Board of Directors work on a permanent basis at the Bank of Russia and are appointed by the State Duma for a term of four years upon a proposal from the Chairman of the Bank of Russia, agreed upon with the President of the Russian Federation [3].

                Storyteller laughing
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                And the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a branch of the Fed and until the state takes control of the Central Bank,

                Some kind of nonsense, read the law on the Central Bank
            3. djon3volta
              djon3volta April 16 2013 15: 14
              0
              Quote: atalef
              in America -1%.

              therefore, all kinds of their fans collapsed in 2008, there was a crisis. And mortgages under 1-2% people grabbed so much that when the crisis arose many were fired and they became homeless.
              1. atalef
                atalef April 16 2013 17: 56
                0
                Quote: djon3volta
                therefore, all kinds of their fans collapsed in 2008, there was a crisis. And mortgages under 1-2% people grabbed so much that when the crisis arose many were fired and they became homeless.

                Travolta, do not drive the blizzard. And here 1% per annum in America and 20-25% in Russia. We have 3% (average) and?
    3. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt April 16 2013 08: 46
      10
      So for this it is necessary to nationalize the Central Bank of Russia, which belongs to the Federal Reserve System!
    4. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 16 2013 10: 07
      +3
      He will tolerate his people, tea is not at the bar (they think so), the main thing is geopolitical interests. But for the sake of the Serbs I’m ready to endure.
    5. andrey777
      andrey777 April 16 2013 11: 53
      0
      Quote: Svatdevostator
      It would be better if the Russians made a mortgage at 3,5%. Help is good as an ally, but you should not forget about your people!
      Yes, what do you say, dear, a Russian peasant, if necessary, will raise 20%, and if at all banks will have to tight, then all 100%. smile
    6. Containers
      Containers April 16 2013 19: 31
      0
      A mortgage is a very bad thing. Although it is now the most affordable way to get housing. But that is another question.
  • Soldier
    Soldier April 16 2013 07: 47
    +8
    What pleases that not only in the CIS, but also in other countries they still believe in us and wait. Not everyone wants to love the dollar-euro, eat hamburgers and live in a gay Europe - civilized way. And I want to come back. Vietnam .. .Kuba .. I want to be friends with those countries where PEOPLE live and rule (Venezuela for example) and not ,, democrats,
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 16 2013 07: 51
      +7
      Quote: Armeec
      What pleases that not only in the CIS


      I’ve got a look in the CIS, there are only two countries that are shaky for us: Belarus and Kazakhstan, the rest look into the mouths of mattresses, and Karimov (President of Uzbekistan) is generally two-faced, trying to sit on two chairs .....
      1. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 April 16 2013 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: kostella85
        and Karimov (President of Uzbekistan) is generally two-faced tsuko, trying to sit on two chairs .....

        Surely, the sly fox pinned, GDP is blowing in his ears about love and friendship ... and a point closer to the mattresses. Such usually end badly (both in the literal and figurative sense)
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. April 16 2013 12: 48
        0
        How the state is possible, how the nations are not. Even in the nagging Georgia and the Baltic states, there are a lot of good people who just do not depend on them and they are not torn to power.
  • deman73
    deman73 April 16 2013 07: 58
    +8
    The Serbs are our most faithful friends in the Balkans whom we need to support, and it’s not bad for us to have bases in that region
    1. ultra
      ultra April 16 2013 08: 11
      -3
      Quote: deman73
      Serbs are our most faithful friends in the Balkans
      These "friends" remember friendship when a "roast rooster" pinches for one place IMHO! negative
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 16 2013 09: 12
      +2
      deman73 (
      If a friend is suddenly ..
      And not a friend and not an enemy, but ...
      IT'S ABOUT RUSSIA, NOT SERBIA.
      How much time has passed since the betrayal of EBN!
      And how good it is that the Serbs again believed in Russia!
      Let's hope that we will not be quarreled again by the "fascists" -liberals.
      As I understood from the article, in addition to becoming Serbia as an observer in the Collective Security Treaty Organization, we are starting to cooperate in duty-free transportation of goods (fiat), and this is a direct path to becoming a fourth partner along with Belarus and Kazakhstan.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 16 2013 11: 13
        +4
        Quote: sergo0000
        And how good it is that the Serbs again believed in Russia!

        Some strange faith in Russia appears in these countries when grandmothers are needed: Iceland (2 years ago), then Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Greece, Cyprus, Egypt, Serbia - all of us suddenly remember an old friend. Russians, of course, have a generous soul (those who don’t remember evil) and are sure that by giving a loan (for some reason it’s always preferential and on the conditions of the Russians themselves and those who haven’t dreamed of) they get a friend forever. Apparently a little forgetting about the same 116 billion forgiven by the same * friends * over the past 3 years.
        Do not flatter yourself, Serbia has received a loan (to increase the creditworthiness and stability of the economy (EU condition) with double speed rush to this organization.
        Continue to sponsor EU candidates on favorable terms. Of course, the EU does not have money; they cannot afford the luxury of giving soft loans to EU candidates. laughing
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 April 16 2013 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Russians certainly a generous soul (not remembering evil)

          Of course! laughing We are not vindictive!
          We are just evil. And we have a good memory. lol
          Serbs haven’t done anything bad to us. And they aren’t doing it. Unlike Israel and dozens of other European countries supplying militants in Syria with weapons and money! Such obscurantists just can't see soft loans from Russia! Smoke bamboo. wink laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef April 16 2013 12: 32
            -1
            Quote: sergo0000
            Serbs have done nothing wrong to us

            I personally haven’t done anything bad to you personally, is this a reason to lend me laughing

            Quote: sergo0000
            T. Unlike Israel and a dozen other European countries supplying militants in Syria with weapons and money

            Israel does not drag it to this. Although even if he supplied it, there is a reason - Syria and I are at war, it attacked us 5 times (with the active help of the USSR). Why do we need to protect Syria and take care of its prosperity? The more mess there is, the less we spend on defense.

            Quote: sergo0000
            Here such obscurantists just do not see soft loans from Russia

            Well, we don’t need it, but the purchase of American GKOs by Russia is not even a loan on favorable terms - it’s just a gift. Well, I’ve forgotten it, GDP said that Russia and the States are partners. laughing
            We are just evil. And we have a good memory.

            Well, about the memory - it hurried, How many such * friendly * loans have Russia forgiven already? The same Syria 10 lyamov, of course the money is not big (for Russia), just some kind of 100 bucks that every Russian gave to the friendly Syrian people. laughing
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 April 16 2013 12: 35
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Well, we don’t need it,

              And to hell with loans if the Germans will pay until the end of the century.
              1. atalef
                atalef April 16 2013 12: 43
                +1
                Quote: Allex28
                And to hell with loans if the Germans will pay until the end of the century.

                Well, no fairy tales.
                There is nothing to blame indiscriminately for throwing grandmothers indiscriminately. They know what they pay for and who they pay.
                By the way, interest on loans received by Russians is such that it seems that the main enemies of Russia are its citizens. Explain to me how you can pay on a mortgage of 20% per annum or more, when (with us 2.5-3%) all economists say (with us in any case) that a mortgage over 6.5% is neither a profitable investment and a noose for the family budget.
                1. Aleks28
                  Aleks28 April 16 2013 12: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, no fairy tales.

                  And what fairy tales are there, last year the Germans tried to raise the issue of the cessation of payments, so it began with you there that the frightened Germans 50 once regretted what was said.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef April 16 2013 12: 59
                    -2
                    Quote: Allex28
                    And what fairy tales are there, last year the Germans tried to raise the issue of the cessation of payments, so it began with you there that the frightened Germans 50 once regretted what was said.

                    To be honest the first time I hear about this. If you can give a link at least.
                    I know that prisoners of concentration camps and ghettos continue to receive compensation (in my opinion, it’s well deserved) By the way, my father-in-law (a Ukrainian living in Kiev) receives the same thing, he and his family (as a child) were stolen to work in Germany.
                    The Nazis did so much evil to people of all nationalities that they still have to pay for a long time. But you will not die of eternal payments, the victims will die, I’m sure there will be no one to pay by the year 2045.
                    Do not be upset, by the way in WWII your relatives fought for whom? Just a German flag, from Kazakhstan itself?
                    1. Aleks28
                      Aleks28 April 16 2013 16: 19
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      By the way in WWII, your relatives fought for whom

                      Firstly, do not poke, and secondly, you can brag about your merits, not the merits of the ancestors (I myself can’t brag about anything else, and I’m not ashamed of anything), but if they asked me I would answer. One grandfather sat and left only after the death of a mustachioed (officer tsarist army.) As he himself said, they didn’t shoot him, and thanks for that. The second grandfather fought from 1939 to 1946 and found Finnish and Great Patriotic War, but he didn’t manage to get to the Japanese.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef April 16 2013 17: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Allex28
                        , so it began here for you that the frightened Germans 50 once regretted what was said.

                        How about a reference. but somehow it is creepy from the answer GONE.
                        Quote: Allex28
                        As he himself said, they didn’t shoot him, and thanks for that. The second grandfather fought from the 1939 to the 1946 year, he found both Finnish and WWII

                        Did your grandfather move with you? If so, then I probably received a pension (I know what they get, I have enough friends from Kazakhstani Germans). How do you live on a German pension? WWII veteran, probably normal. Neither can you judge ghetto prisoners and concentration camps receiving compensation for the suffering of them, their families and relatives.
                2. Ivan.
                  Ivan. April 16 2013 13: 04
                  +1
                  It's simple, renting a house is even more expensive. Your allies did their best. Yes, and they gave you a gift - "Israel" for life, surrounded by "friends".
                  1. atalef
                    atalef April 16 2013 13: 56
                    -1
                    Quote: Ivan.
                    ... Your allies did their best. Yes, and they gave you a gift - "Israel" for life, surrounded by "friends".

                    Well, actually, does the Soviet Union play the main role in the war on the BV or do you think that without Soviet credits, military supplies, personnel training in Soviet military schools and military specialists in the Egyptian and Syrian armies, who of them would start a war?
                    The USSR and only the USSR fed Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and encouraged them to think that Israel could be destroyed by military means. What came of it - it’s clear that all wars are lost, Egypt was the first to understand that you can’t make porridge with the USSR, except for constant wars and there will be nothing defeated. He drove out all the advisers, sent on .... Brezhnev, crossed over to Amer and received peace, Sinai and all the territories live in peace. Syria did not understand this, continued to live with illusions (continuing to listen to the USSR) neither the Golan, nor the world, but only regular ones face clicks, debts, etc.
                    So thank the USSR for the whole mess and no one else.
                    1. Skarte
                      Skarte April 16 2013 14: 47
                      +2
                      and lives in peace
                      Something is now not noticeable of this world, in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Iraq, Avgan (they all contacted the United States at one time, it turns out a peculiar world, some kind of bloody) ... Well, yes, I forgot, the old story , only the abbreviation of the USSR will be replaced by the name Russia ...
                      1. atalef
                        atalef April 16 2013 17: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Skarte
                        Something is now not noticeable of this world, in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Iraq, Avgan

                        Of course you can add a dozen more countries in the world. We only border Egypt and we have a peace treaty. And Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya - what does it have to do with it.
                    2. Ivan.
                      Ivan. April 16 2013 15: 23
                      +2
                      Good to fantasize
                      -SSSR incited, forcibly forced, and so we all are friends, and in the last 20 years the USSR is also to blame-
                      I didn’t mean the war at all, and the fact that your allies deliberately set you up, they surely knew that you would not be friends with your neighbors and consciously supported your Holocaust against the Palestinians, otherwise the fire would go out.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef April 16 2013 17: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: Ivan.
                        Good to fantasize
                        -SSSR incited, forcibly forced,

                        Maybe not forced, but provided all the possibilities. Or, in your opinion, the supply by France of arms to jihadists in Syria does not increase their potential capabilities and does not provoke the continuation of hostilities. If the USSR did not supply weapons to the Arabs, and even in such volumes, there would simply be no war.

                        Quote: Ivan.
                        I didn’t mean war at all, but the fact that your allies deliberately set you up,

                        In what
                        Quote: Ivan.
                        and consciously supported your Holocaust to the Palestinians, otherwise the fire will go out.

                        What kind of nonsense?
                    3. ultra
                      ultra April 16 2013 16: 52
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      and encouraged them to think that Israel could be destroyed by military means.
                      I haven't read such "nonsense" for a long time! hi
            2. Setrac
              Setrac April 16 2013 15: 07
              -1
              Quote: atalef
              Well, about the memory - it hurried, How many such * friendly * loans have Russia forgiven already? The same Syria 10 lyamov, of course the money is not big (for Russia), just some kind of 100 bucks that every Russian gave to the friendly Syrian people.

              10 lyamov is 10 cents per each Russian (approximately), you overestimated 1000 times))).
              1. atalef
                atalef April 16 2013 17: 40
                0
                Quote: Setrac
                10 lyamov is 10 cents per each Russian (approximately), you overestimated 1000 times))).

                Strange, maybe lam - it's not a billion? 10 billion Russia wrote off Syrian debts, divided by 141 million, a little less than 100 bucks from each, about 60 bucks from each Russian. tongue
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac April 16 2013 18: 20
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Strange, maybe lam - it's not a billion? 10 billion Russia wrote off Syrian debts, divided by 141 million, a little less than 100 bucks from each, about 60 bucks from each Russian.

                  Million lam
                  billion - lard, although I am not good at slang.
                2. Genera
                  Genera April 17 2013 06: 18
                  +1
                  Unlike you, it will not decrease from us. tongue
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac April 17 2013 21: 17
                    -3
                    Quote: Genera
                    Unlike you, it will not decrease from us.

                    Apparently you are not a citizen of Russia, if "you do not lose anything"
                    1. Genera
                      Genera April 22 2013 06: 18
                      0
                      Just a citizen of Russia and there is a loan (correctly noticed) at 21%, and somehow it did not cringe when he took on something he counted on (for himself, not for his uncle). So I don’t take someone else’s (my parents taught me), and if I give it up from the heart with good intentions (not for personal gain) and in return I don’t expect anything (from good, they don’t look for good). It’s a pity to the grabbers of the stolen, they will ditch bins later as Koshchei wither over the gold.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac April 16 2013 15: 04
            -1
            Quote: sergo0000
            Serbs haven’t done anything bad to us. And they aren’t doing it. Unlike Israel and dozens of other European countries supplying militants in Syria with weapons and money! Such obscurantists just can't see soft loans from Russia! Smoke bamboo.

            Let me, a citizen of Russia will be given a loan at 4%, and then bent from 16 to 21% per annum.
        2. sergo0000
          sergo0000 April 16 2013 14: 37
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Do not flatter yourself, Serbia has received a loan (to increase the creditworthiness and stability of the economy (EU condition) with double speed rush to this organization.

          This is a grandmother in two said! hi And smart people will not have business with you soon. Yes, and now no one, by and large, as a state, perceives you! Just as one of the US overseers in BV.
          Is Israel Ten Years Left?trueinform.ru
          Follow the link and go pack your suitcase wink
          1. atalef
            atalef April 16 2013 17: 45
            +1
            Quote: sergo0000
            This is a grandmother in two said

            In kind. laughing
            They passed Milosevic and associates - this was a condition for admission to EU candidates.
            Quote: sergo0000
            And smart people are not going to have business with you soon. Yes, and now, by and large, by and large, as a state, you don’t perceive you!

            Well, of course, we’ll do the filling for five Russian satellites, and then they’ll stop laughing
            Quote: sergo0000
            Is Israel Ten Years Left?

            I measured a lot laughing
            Israel will disappear in the coming years

            Home »News» Analytics
            Heydar Jemal, Chairman of the Islamic Committee of Russia,
            Especially for Iran.ru

            laughing laughing laughing
            1. Genera
              Genera April 17 2013 06: 21
              +1
              Don’t worry if we shelter you. Birobidzhan is waiting.
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz April 16 2013 07: 59
    0
    IMHO, all the same, partners now sound better than friends, Serbs aim to become part of the EU, we need to carefully evaluate our benefits from helping those who will never help us.
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt April 16 2013 08: 51
      +4
      The Serbs did not intend, they were bent, and Milosevic was rotted in a cell, did you forget ??
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 16 2013 08: 08
    -3
    What kind of friends are you? They sleep and see how to get into the EU, and then into NATO. They very successfully recall friendship and fraternity when something is needed from Russia. And about money, in our country there are a lot of worries and problems for which this money would be useful. In a couple of years, this credit will be written off as non-repayable, that's all.
  • Russki
    Russki April 16 2013 08: 34
    +2
    And they’re tearing off their skins in three. I took a car loan at 21 percent and they still managed to raise it to 31, it’s also with Casco. And if you refuse to receive Casco, they’ll give you the conscience described in the next section.
    1. UFO
      UFO April 16 2013 09: 09
      0
      Not about that. belay
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 16 2013 13: 21
      +1
      I’ve never understood such people, my neighbor took the same loan, other friends. I ask why? The answer is slurred. A friend took out a loan for a music center, first you take it, then you pay within 3 months but already 1,5 prices! This is all advertising programming and outright deception in detail.
  • UFO
    UFO April 16 2013 08: 40
    +6
    If in the CSTO, then what the hell is NATO. In all wars, the Serbs fought on our side, unlike many other "friends" and "brothers". hi
  • pinecone
    pinecone April 16 2013 08: 47
    +5
    At least three and a half percent provided a loan, otherwise they bought US Treasury bonds for 155 billion dollars (data for November 2102), and they give 1.7% per annum. And after all this, they also moan about a lack of investment. Bastards.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 16 2013 13: 28
      +2
      As a rule, those who shout - "You do not need to help friendly countries, they will deceive" - ​​they are trying hard not to remember this.
      1. Containers
        Containers April 16 2013 19: 38
        0
        Help to friendly countries often turns out to be a disadvantage for themselves. So, in such a situation, it is better at 1.7% than at "no return". And immediately, anticipating - and then and then much worse than investing in your economy. I will not evaluate the degree of "worse" - I do not really understand the varieties of G.VNA.
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt April 16 2013 08: 49
    +5
    The world smells like a thunderstorm, and the little brothers are asking for help with a little weapons, so that, God forbid, in which case stand up for themselves, how often they had to do it.
    1. Ragnarek
      Ragnarek April 16 2013 08: 54
      -2
      they already stood in 1999 ...
      1. Normal
        Normal April 16 2013 14: 01
        -1
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        in which case stand up for themselves, how often they had to do it.

        Quote: Ragnarek
        they already stood in 1999 ...

        Sitting in street cafes with paper targets pinned to clothes and drinking coffee.
        And when the Serbs withdrew armored vehicles from Kosovo, then the NATO almost got over its safety and quantity. But in vain - the Serbs were not going to fight.
        The Serbs surrendered their country to the West themselves and there is nothing to bring down the betrayal of EBN. It was necessary to fight, and not to look towards Russia.
        And now we are "friends" and "brothers" to them only because we need money.
        God forbid, you have to ask the Serbs for help, so they will immediately turn their backs to us.
        Not a reliable, rotten people ...
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 16 2013 15: 16
          +1
          For what minus normal? If the Serbs themselves did not want to fight for their country, then how could Russia help?
        2. djon3volta
          djon3volta April 16 2013 15: 20
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          God forbid you have to ask the Serbs for help

          and what can the Serbs help Russia with? What help can we ask them for? Russia paid almost all the debts to the IMF which they seized in the 90s. We ourselves can give loans. Russia could calmly and repay the CPR debt 100%, well, for Russia 10 billion euros? In a couple of days on oil, it beats such money ..
          1. Normal
            Normal April 16 2013 19: 17
            0
            Quote: djon3volta
            and how can the Serbs help Russia? What help can we ask them
            Well, of course it's not about money. It is about political support for Russian initiatives in the international arena, support for Russia's economic interests.
            Yes, only the navel of the Serbs will be untied if they openly support Russia.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 17 2013 00: 47
              -1
              Quote: Normal
              Well, of course it's not about money. It is about political support for Russian initiatives in the international arena, support for Russia's economic interests.
              Yes, only the navel of the Serbs will be untied if they openly support Russia.

              It's about money, the Serbs (Yugoslavs) decided that they themselves would be able to trade their resources, but who would allow them.
        3. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt April 16 2013 16: 09
          +3
          Yes, they were tired by that time already, Yugoslavia was bursting at the seams through the efforts of our overseas and European partners.

          Against whom did they fight? Enemies were already around, inside Yugoslavia itself. The Croats, Kosovars, Bosnians and everyone wanted to secede, and there also NATO came up.

          There was no country to keep them, there would not be enough corny forces for this - the troops crossed into Serbia after surrender.
          Here is my understanding.

          minus did not set
          1. Containers
            Containers April 16 2013 19: 40
            0
            If there was a desire, clinging to the teeth, to defend their country, their land - there maybe help would come. But there is no such thing as "if" in history.
          2. Normal
            Normal April 16 2013 19: 42
            0
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Yes, they were tired by the time to fight already

            Are you tired? Well, let them rest, but why at our expense? They need money for:
            to cover the budget deficit. The amount in 1 billion dollars was called.
            That is, the country spends more than it earns. Why should we pay for living beyond our means?
            They were tired of fighting ... And won somewhere? And even if you’re tired of drinking coffee in the morning after the night bombing of Belgrade?
            If we bombed Moscow, with all our dislike for the capital, we would have queues at the military registration and enlistment offices. And we would have fought tirelessly, and would not have poked; "there are millions of us with the Serbs"
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Against whom did they fight?

            If necessary, then against everyone until victory or death. They did not want to - grief for the vanquished.

            Quote: Grishka100watt
            There was no country to keep them, there would not be enough corny forces for this - the troops crossed into Serbia after surrender.

            Do not hold on? Have you tried hard? If at least 15% of NATO planes were shot down, then the conversation would be different. Have you taken Sarajevo? Not! Capitulated? So let them contain those who accepted surrender.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 17 2013 03: 01
              +2
              Quote: Normal
              If necessary, then against everyone until victory or death. They did not want to - grief for the vanquished.

              Vladimir! this is the case when both are not equally funny request Who, besides the Russians, fought against everyone with a capital letter? But all these little brothers had to be saved more than once. My conclusion is simple: if they didn’t want to die, breathe!
              1. Setrac
                Setrac April 17 2013 21: 18
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                My conclusion is simple: they didn’t want to die - breathe!

                And I’m about the same, why should Russians harness themselves if the Serbs themselves did not want to fight?
  • Selevc
    Selevc April 16 2013 08: 50
    -3
    Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, who also spoke with Dacic, said that Russia has provided Serbia with a state loan of half a billion dollars, and on favorable terms.


    Russia for the second time runs the risk of stepping on the same rake again !!! The Soviet Union once let so much money go into the wind - to support all kinds of banana republics there-they still give loans !!!

    Serbia needs to be friends exactly as much as this country is oriented towards Russia ... On the military side, the deployment of military bases there is absolutely unpromising - in 1999 Russia already lost the Balkans and something can change fundamentally only with the rapprochement of the European Union or with the US withdrawal from this region ...
  • pinecone
    pinecone April 16 2013 09: 03
    +3
    In addition to my previous comment. A rhetorical question about loans: who is the more "privileged partner" for the RF - Serbia, or the USA?
    1. Selevc
      Selevc April 16 2013 09: 51
      0
      Naturally the United States - but under one very important condition - Dialogue on an equal footing !!! But America clearly wants to dictate its own rules to the Russian Federation - and therefore this dialogue does not work ...

      As for Serbia, they didn’t really listen to Moscow even during the time of the nationals in power, such as Milosevic and Karadzic ... And even more so now they seem to be going to integrate into the EU (and therefore also into NATO) ...
  • radio operator
    radio operator April 16 2013 09: 10
    0
    Serbian journalists, by the way, directly asked the Russian prime minister what help the Serbian people can expect from Moscow in further resolving the Kosovo issue. In response, Medvedev stressed, S. Kalmykova (Voice of Russia) reports that Russia supported and will continue to support Serbia in Kosovo, but above all, the Serbian people themselves should be interested in resolving this issue.

    I agree with Medvedev here. For 20 years Serbia has "swallowed freedom" so much that a good half of the Serbs have forgotten about their roots and completely turned "to the forest in front". Whether the Serbs themselves will want our patronage, I don't know.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 16 2013 09: 28
    +7
    Russia doesn’t need to look for allies, we never had friends in the history of our country, only temporary hangers-on who threw us at the earliest opportunity, did history really teach us nothing? So the Americans and the British acted and are acting right, are buying up the root the ruling elite and through them direct their satellite, a lot of examples from the banana republics of Latin America like Cuba to Fidel, all sorts of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, completely dependent on the United States, how unfortunate Russia is in the 90s and why the soul is still at the US embassy strange shadows flicker every now and then. Can it’s enough to step on garden tools?
    (ARMY AND NAVY, NAVY AND ARMY, and also a STRONG and INDEPENDENT ECONOMY, otherwise funny Borka, Chubais, etc., etc.)
    With respect to the great Serbia. hi
  • krest.ros
    krest.ros April 16 2013 10: 19
    +7
    Friends, I will provide my hacienda (in the south of Moldova) free of charge for Russian anti-missile defense systems. You can contact with me any time.
    1. krest.ros
      krest.ros April 16 2013 11: 08
      +1
      With the same proposal, my friends Bulgarians turned to deputies from the State Duma. We once visited here. These sorrow deputies edrosi were either surprised or laughed. But you would have seen a reaction to such initiatives of Russophobic Romanians and Turks.
  • Opera
    Opera April 16 2013 10: 24
    +6
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Russia doesn’t need to look for allies; we have never had friends in the history of our country, only temporary hangers-on who threw us

    It is precisely because of the fact that in your words a large share of the truth (even too much) we should help Serbia, but for example Bulgaria does not!
    The attitude of Serbs to Russians is sincere, first of all, at a simple everyday level. Serbian proverbs also speak for this: "We are with the Russians 200, we are Russians in the Balkans." And proverbs, as you know, is a popular wisdom. These people all their lives look towards Russia, rejoice at our successes and together mourn the losses.
    A small example. My friend stayed there after the well-known events, married - home, children ... Sometimes it is difficult. In general, at one of such difficult moments, he put up a table with plum brandy on the track, which he himself was driving (by the way an amazing thing) and wrote RUSSIAN SLIVITSA! Snapped up in three seconds! Now his neighbors are talking to him, put the pier and ours in yourselves. Such a brand! and do not laugh, this is not a trifle! This is the attitude of the people! Our friends really aren’t really ... We can help with this - we need help! But we can’t - we must somehow try! The Serbs will answer the same as they always did.
    1. krest.ros
      krest.ros April 16 2013 10: 58
      +3
      The Bessarabian Bulgarians, Gagauzes and others also have a similar good attitude towards Russia. Their ancestors moved 200 years ago because of the Danube.
    2. abc_alex
      abc_alex April 16 2013 11: 29
      +3
      So they will throw the Serbs then. Once again, in Brussels, they will draw and throw a "road map".

      The people there, by the way, rightly and persistently choose the Brussels European integrators for their management, so that the times of "Russian Slivovitsa" will end as soon as the next "integration" plan appears soon.
      The Serbs must decide whether they are with Russia or with NATO and the EU. And to confirm this choice, I apologize for the tautology, in the elections. In fact, in 2012 Nikolic won 50,21% of the vote, and the main hero integrator Tadic - 46,77%. Nothing really makes a difference, especially considering that the turnout was 46%. In addition, Tadic has a majority in the Assembly. And today's wagging towards the Russians may turn out to be just an episode on Serbia's infinitely long road to the EU and NATO. All the more so as Nikolic, immediately after the elections, already reported on his adherence to the "path to the EU."

      Turns out that? As on the way to the EU and NATO it became bad with food, so "brothers help?" And then again to the forest in front and to the Russian backward and forward on the way to Eurocracy?

      Or does anyone here doubt that the Serbs are now simply trying to play the "Russian card" in order to knock stubbornness off the European Commissioners in dusty helmets, demanding the recognition of Kosovo?
      1. ultra
        ultra April 16 2013 14: 19
        0
        Quote: abc_alex
        Once again, in Brussels, they will draw and throw a "road map".
        So it will be 100%! am
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 16 2013 10: 33
    0
    Quote: Oper
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Russia doesn’t need to look for allies; we have never had friends in the history of our country, only temporary hangers-on who threw us

    It is precisely because of the fact that in your words a large share of the truth (even too much) we should help Serbia, but for example Bulgaria does not!
    The attitude of Serbs to Russians is sincere, first of all, at a simple everyday level. Serbian proverbs also speak for this: "We are with the Russians 200, we are Russians in the Balkans." And proverbs, as you know, is a popular wisdom. These people all their lives look towards Russia, rejoice at our successes and together mourn the losses.
    A small example. My friend stayed there after the well-known events, married - home, children ... Sometimes it is difficult. In general, at one of such difficult moments, he put up a table with plum brandy on the track, which he himself was driving (by the way an amazing thing) and wrote RUSSIAN SLIVITSA! Snapped up in three seconds! Now his neighbors are talking to him, put the pier and ours in yourselves. Such a brand! and do not laugh, this is not a trifle! This is the attitude of the people! Our friends really aren’t really ... We can help with this - we need help! But we can’t - we must somehow try! The Serbs will answer the same as they always did.


    Well, I would really like it to be so, to watch how my country throughout its history is sown with mud, and for the most part it was former "friends".
  • Opera
    Opera April 16 2013 10: 43
    +5
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Well, I would really like it to be so, to watch how my country throughout its history is sown with mud, and for the most part it was former "friends".

    Look in nete how the Serbs met our paratroopers! You can talk a lot ...
    And in friends you have to be picky and not scatter the real ones!
    1. ultra
      ultra April 16 2013 14: 21
      0
      Quote: Oper
      Look in nete how the Serbs met our paratroopers!

      These are "simple" people and the authorities have been looking at Brussels for a long time!
    2. Normal
      Normal April 16 2013 14: 22
      +2
      Quote: Oper
      Look in nete how the Serbs met our paratroopers! You can talk a lot ...

      That's just it, that the paratroopers. When we are ready to fight for them, they are our friends and brothers. When it is necessary to support Russia, at least on the political front, it is not leisure for "brothers" - their own Euro shirt is closer to the body. And the Internet is not my decree. In the late 90s, early 2000, I saw enough Serbs. They worked as builders at the dachas of the oligarchs. So I will tell you that there was no more insolent, arrogant and arrogant workers and brigade leaders than the Serbs. Even the Americans, against their background, were more Russian than these Slavic brothers.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. April 16 2013 15: 02
        +1
        "So I'll tell you that there was no more arrogant, arrogant and arrogant workers and brigade leaders than the Serbs. Even the Americans were more Russian than these brothers-Slavs against their background."

        Something I doubt it, I wonder what you did at these oligarchic dachas?

        "Even the Americans were more Russian against their background than these Slav brothers" and where did you see them? Did you really go to the reservation?
        1. Containers
          Containers April 16 2013 19: 47
          +1
          "In the late 90s, early 2000, I saw enough Serbs. They worked as builders at the oligarchs' dachas."
          and the logic here is simple - I saw it there. and at the dachas he apparently worked as a builder. what's so surprising? not everyone "works" "in the office"
        2. Normal
          Normal April 16 2013 19: 53
          0
          Quote: Ivan.
          something I doubt it

          But not me.
          Quote: Ivan.
          I wonder what you did at these oligarchic dachas?

          Have worked. I built it. He earned a living for his family.
          Quote: Ivan.
          and where did you see them?

          Near Zvenigorod. Near the Lipki boarding house, in a birch grove, a whole summer cottage settlement (alas, I can't remember the name now) was built by the Americans. Ordinary builders lived in a boarding house, we drank with them. Normal guys are not Serbs ...
  • krez-74
    krez-74 April 16 2013 11: 46
    +3
    Amazing! How many times the Balkan "brothers Slavs", and with what constant periodicity, turn their eyes to Mother Russia. Now again, Russia will equip them, supply them, help them, give them money (at the same time, our officials will drink some money), and another period of cooling and indifference to each other will come.
    I know one thing, it is necessary to approach pragmatically, carefully, and act purely within the framework of strict agreements that should be most beneficial to Russia!
    1. Containers
      Containers April 16 2013 19: 48
      +1
      It is absolutely true that one does not demand someone else's, but one does not give one's own.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 17 2013 00: 51
        0
        I want to add on my own, a country that wants protection from Russia should share with Russia its buns from its economy, even if they are interested in Russia in protecting their loved ones.
  • pinecone
    pinecone April 16 2013 11: 57
    +4
    There are masses of people and there are rulers. Opinions of both coincide extremely rarely. It has always been that way.
    1. Gato
      Gato April 16 2013 12: 29
      +1
      100%. And among the masses there are different opinions that do not coincide at all sad . You don’t have to go far for an example - just read the comments.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. April 16 2013 13: 52
        +1
        This is true, but a great merit in this is from the SMDinformation, and the truth has to be found by ourselves.
    2. Containers
      Containers April 16 2013 19: 49
      0
      But in this case they agree with the rulers, and not with the masses.
  • knn54
    knn54 April 16 2013 12: 26
    +4
    Helping Serbia, Russia demonstrates its status as a GREAT power. A sensible lender should always actively participate in what he gives loans, in any case, Serbia will be a junior partner, and its strategic position for Russia has always been important.
    PS In April 1941, SERB officers carried out a military coup and concluded a military treaty with the USSR. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia paid for this with the occupation of its country, including the barbaric bombing of Belgrade, and the USSR received a deferment from the war for almost 2 months.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc April 16 2013 12: 45
      +1
      It seems to me that Russia should help primarily those countries which REALLY can help ... Modern Serbia is now far from the SFRY !!! Territorially she was cut to a minimum !!! Now she is surrounded by either overt or covert enemies ... And helping her seriously in terms of defense is very problematic !!! And the civilian sector of the economy can and should be developed !!!

      And SFRY, by the way, in the postwar period, being a very strong regional power, pursued a very dubious policy of balancing between East and West !!! And with her foreign policy, she rather weakened the Eastern bloc of the socialist countries rather than strengthened !!!
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. April 16 2013 14: 00
        +1
        That’s why they help in a limited way, they lay a gas pipe, and take care of stability in the country? The Serbs are still fighting, but how to fight surrounded by enemies without support? Russia will rise at least on one knee and the conversation will be different.
      2. andrejwz
        andrejwz April 16 2013 15: 37
        0
        Quote: Selevc
        It seems to me that Russia should help primarily those countries which REALLY can be helped ...

        Maybe silly? And let's help Montenegro. After all, this is the only country that declared war on Japan in 2004, in gratitude for the liberation from the Turkish yoke.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc April 16 2013 18: 50
          +1
          Quote: andrejwz
          After all, this is the only country that declared war on Japan in 2004, in gratitude for the liberation from the Turkish yoke.

          Even I have not heard this - can you explain in more detail?
          1. Containers
            Containers April 16 2013 19: 51
            +1
            in 1904 =)
          2. Containers
            Containers April 16 2013 20: 04
            0
            Quote: atalef

            I did not say the Germans, I said the Nazis - there is a huge difference between these concepts.


            Why then demand to pay the Germans?

            Quote: atalef

            First of all, less, because the Nazis' destruction plan was only for Jews.


            Now, perhaps, I will become "not handshake", but ... the Germans expelled Jews (in the USA for example). In the USA, they refused to accept them even if there was a "security deposit". It would also be nice to see "Destruction plans" (at least some documentary evidence).
            The Slavs, by the way, were killed a lot more. And statements about the peoples of the East / Slavs are very famous.

            Quote: atalef

            But this does not play a role, we care about our fallen and dead, you care about your own. What is the problem? Or do we need to be happy for the Baltic Essesses or Ukrainian forest brothers? After all, in their homeland they are already wearing heroes


            You don't care for yours. This is called "exploiting". Yes - do you want to please for the Russians (or rather, for the Slavs, and indeed for the victims in general)?
  • Day 11
    Day 11 April 16 2013 12: 40
    +4
    No, but what did you want? People everywhere, in all countries, want to live well. Naturally, because they can’t join the TS (by geography), they choose the EU. Understand, they don’t have a choice! Now they don’t have one to live. Our task is to be our allies there!
    1. Selevc
      Selevc April 16 2013 13: 15
      +1
      Why do you need formal allies? Who will beat themselves in the chest and shout "Russia is our brothers", but in fact they will join the EU and NATO !!!
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 April 16 2013 13: 23
        +1
        The main thing is to shout it louder! Maybe they themselves will understand this and draw conclusions
        1. Selevc
          Selevc April 16 2013 13: 31
          0
          I think that the people of Serbia have long understood who their real allies and friends are, but the fact is that the rest of Europe does not want to understand this !!! Serious arms deliveries to Serbia are unlikely - Europe will block transport corridors under some pretext ... And once again Russia will find itself in a situation where it cannot really help its allies !!!
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 April 16 2013 13: 48
            +2
            It is not possible to block the transport corridors, Serbia is a sovereign country and has the right to buy what it wants. Another question is to scare that we will not accept NATO --- what’s good for us
            1. Selevc
              Selevc April 16 2013 14: 41
              0
              But how impossible? If Europe has already done this once?

              It is not necessary to go far - quote from wikipedia:
              According to the operation plan, after the capture of the Slatina airport, the military transport aircraft of the Russian Air Force were to land on it soon, with which at least two regiments of airborne forces and heavy military equipment were to be transferred. However, Hungary (a NATO member) and Bulgaria (a NATO ally) refused to provide Russia with an air corridor, as a result of which 200 paratroopers remained virtually alone for several days with all the NATO forces arriving.


              And another quote in the topic:

              In April 2003, Chief of the General Staff Anatoly Kvashnin remarked: “We have no strategic interests left in the Balkans, and we will save twenty-five million dollars a year on the withdrawal of peacekeepers.” [15]
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 April 16 2013 14: 56
                +2
                What kind of period are you talking about? At that time, Serbia fought, but now the world and, accordingly, the situation is different. Now no one can forbid them to buy what they need
                1. Selevc
                  Selevc April 16 2013 15: 01
                  0
                  It seems to me very, very unlikely that Europe (USA) will agree to simply let even Russian tanks go into Serbia - not talking about more serious weapons like the S-300 or Iskander ...

                  I can imagine how much will be howling from sub-pi-dosniki such as Poland, Romania and Estonia ...
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 April 16 2013 15: 09
                    +1
                    So let them prove (since they need grandmothers) that they have strong eggs. And, on the other hand, maybe they need this? Now they will scare EU-sheep --- they will not be sour
    2. Ragnarek
      Ragnarek April 16 2013 13: 26
      +1
      TS is not a geographical concept, in the sense it is not necessary to directly border on each other. Even Brazil is considering joining the CU. Serbia clearly targets EU
    3. ultra
      ultra April 16 2013 14: 23
      -1
      Quote: Den 11
      .Our task is that they would be our allies there!
      If they are "there" then they themselves will not decide anything! hi
  • na76
    na76 April 16 2013 12: 57
    +6
    Quote: Mitek
    Yes ... If it weren’t for the drunkards in the 90s, no one would have broken Serbia ... And the current course is right. For Russia, the money is small, and the help to a pro-Russian state is not bad.


    Of course, I strongly apologize, but there was no smell of any pro-Soviet or pro-Russian policies there ...
    here for example from here: http://bruma.ru/enc/istoriya/YUGOSLAVIYA.html

    Foreign policy.
    In 1945, Yugoslavia joined the UN. The post-war leadership of the country, led by Tito, initially maintained close ties with the USSR. In April 1945, the Soviet-Yugoslav treaty of friendship, mutual assistance and cooperation was concluded, the country rejected participation in the Marshall Plan. However, in 1948 relations between the USSR and Yugoslavia were interrupted, and in subsequent years, contacts with the United States, Great Britain and France strengthened, a number of trade agreements were concluded with Western countries that provided loans. In 1951, an agreement was reached on the provision of American military assistance to Yugoslavia; in 1953-1954, military-political agreements were signed with Turkey and Greece.

    In 1955, Soviet-Yugoslav relations were restored, and then relations were established with the allies of the USSR. In the following decades, Yugoslavia sought to pursue a foreign policy based on the principles of peaceful coexistence, peaceful resolution of conflicts, non-interference and non-alignment with military-political blocs. It supported international disarmament agreements, was one of the initiators of the creation of the Movement of Non-Aligned States in 1961, and played a leading role in it. Since 1964, the country participated in the work of a number of CMEA bodies, but at the same time developed economic relations with Western states and countries of the so-called "Third world". Yugoslavia condemned the entry of American troops into Indochina, the entry of the Warsaw Treaty Organization forces into Czechoslovakia in 1968, and the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan (1979).

    A skilled politician, President Tito skillfully took advantage of economic ties with the USSR and CMEA and the desire of the West through various concessions to attract her to his side, which ensured the accelerated development of the national economy in 1970– early. 1980s


    Any desire to sit on two chairs usually ends like this ...
    Western Slavs always remember about "Russian brothers" when they pinch the eggs, and so ...
    In general, if you want, minus one, but as one uncle said - a career officer: After the Second World War, the USSR had only one normal ally - the GDR, but so ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b April 16 2013 13: 05
    -1
    Well, that's how the Serbs shaved in Eurostan and remembered about friendship.
  • pantech15
    pantech15 April 16 2013 13: 08
    +1
    I completely agree with those who are not very happy with this news, indeed 3,5% is cool at our refinancing rate of over 8, I certainly hope that under the conditions of the loan it will be written in capital letters that it is issued for the purchase of weapons from Russia, but I don’t understand why to give in dollars, you can immediately give in rubles, thereby certainly be sure that this loan will go to the purchase of Russian products and the development of our economy
  • Leisure
    Leisure April 16 2013 13: 33
    +1
    When in Syria the "stupid meat" gets tired of the people getting from the "bloody tyrant", they will trample their new order in the geyrope. They will go through Albania and Kosovo, here Serbia will stand in their way, so they need to be given weapons, a lot of good and different things.
  • Rrv
    Rrv April 16 2013 14: 17
    -1
    "Brothers-enticement": chipstone.livejournal.com/1026448.html
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 16 2013 14: 51
    +3
    Quote: Arberes
    Quote: Ivan.
    "No more brotherhood ... favorable conditions and interests" - great, throwing from + to -, let's take on the enemy mentality, just great!

    The USSR lent many fraternally, one trouble, the loans to the former USSR-RUSSIA "brothers" are not going to return!
    Maybe enough fools to grow?
    And no throwing, we are now capitalists with a market economy and must be able to count our money!
    But that's not the point! Let the brothers decide with whom they will go, and not rush about in search of fleeting benefits from a freebie!

    It is a sin to change brothers for money. To the same "surrender" as a rule sitting in power, not the people. The Serbian people are brothers forever! History however!
  • Day 11
    Day 11 April 16 2013 15: 24
    +1
    In short, let them hold a referendum with whom they want to be - with the EU or with Russia, and we will draw conclusions ("we want to be friends with everyone" or "peace-peace" is not accepted there)
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz April 16 2013 15: 26
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    The Nazis have done so much evil to people of all nationalities that for a long time to pay

    And how much good did the representatives of your nationality do?
    Reproach is simple. Did your interlocutor do this? Not? Then, what the hell does it smash you like that?
    Or is Israel now behaving better? Or Russians (read: Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles list to infinity) got less? I almost forgot. Well, God’s chosen people. Forgive me for the remark, click the minus.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 16 2013 18: 04
      0
      Quote: andrejwz
      Reproach is simple. Did your interlocutor do this? Not? Then, what the hell does it smash you like that?

      I did not say the Germans, I said the Nazis - there is a huge difference between these concepts.

      Quote: andrejwz
      Forgive goy for the remark, click the minus.

      He’s nothing, he’s a goy in Africa too.
      Goy (Heb. גוי, plural גויים goyim), in modern Hebrew and Yiddish - the designation of a non-Jew (non-Jew in Judaism, is used in everyday speech in the meaning of “non-Jew” [1])

      My wife is gay and nothing.
      Quote: andrejwz
      Or Russians (read: Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles list to infinity) got less?

      First of all, less, because the Nazis' destruction plan was only for Jews.
      But this does not play a role, we care about our fallen and dead, you care about your own. What is the problem? Or do we need to be happy for the Baltic Essesses or Ukrainian forest brothers? After all, in their homeland they are already wearing heroes
      1. Containers
        Containers April 16 2013 20: 06
        +3
        Quote: atalef

        I did not say the Germans, I said the Nazis - there is a huge difference between these concepts.


        Why then demand to pay the Germans?

        Quote: atalef

        First of all, less, because the Nazis' destruction plan was only for Jews.


        Now, perhaps, I will become a "handshake", but ... the Germans expelled the Jews. In the USA, for example. In the United States, they refused to accept them even if there was a "security deposit". It would also be nice to see "plans for destruction" (at least some documentary evidence).
        The Slavs, by the way, were killed a lot more. And statements about the peoples of the East / Slavs are very famous.

        Quote: atalef

        But this does not play a role, we care about our fallen and dead, you care about your own. What is the problem? Or do we need to be happy for the Baltic Essesses or Ukrainian forest brothers? After all, in their homeland they are already wearing heroes


        You don't care for yours. This is called "exploiting". Yes - do you want to please for the Russians (or rather, for the Slavs, and indeed for the victims in general)?
        1. Genera
          Genera April 17 2013 06: 29
          0
          There is nothing atalef to answer. The sniper shot him in the forehead. KILLED.
        2. atalef
          atalef April 17 2013 07: 57
          -1
          Quote: Kosha
          Why then demand to pay the Germans?

          Are you serious? Hitler declared war on the USSR, why after his death (it seems like there were no one to make claims on yours) Paul of Germany was taken out for reparations

          Quote: Kosha
          but ... the Germans expelled the Jews. In the USA, for example. In the USA they refused to accept them, even if available

          States are the same smeared. like England, but the concentration camps, extermination camps and a plan to exterminate the Jews were in Nazi Germany and, do not turn a blind eye to the obvious and fall into demagogy

          Quote: Kosha
          The Slavs, by the way, were killed a lot more. And statements about the peoples of the East / Slavs are very famous.

          The conversation is not about the number of victims and not even about the percentage of the destroyed nationalities. There was no plan to destroy the (total) Slavs. There were plans for enslavement, the Slavs served in the Wehrmacht, the SS and so on.
          Jews were destroyed from small to large - there is a difference.
          Quote: Kosha
          You don't care for yours. This is called "exploiting"

          Expand the idea broader, it is not clear what it is about
          Quote: Kosha
          . Yes - for the Russians (or rather, for the Slavs, and indeed for the victims in general) do not want to cheat?

          The whole world cannot be made happy. God forbid that in Russia they remembered the Second World War and its lessons, honored veterans and the disabled, as we do.
  • Jarserge
    Jarserge April 16 2013 19: 06
    +1
    The specter of Pan-Slavism has risen from the grave again. Russia should have its own interests and not the interests of some mythical Slavic brotherhood. I will be asked why? My answer is -Bulgaria, liberated by Russian blood from the Turks, fought against in all two world wars .... The Serbs remember the same about Russia only when it is profitable for them and they really want to get a prize for a sacrifice. A very good study of Pan-Slavism and its consequences was conducted by Alexander Bushkov in his book "Rasputin. Shots from the Past"
    1. Containers
      Containers April 16 2013 20: 08
      0
      Bushkov generally has interesting points in his writings.
    2. fokino1980
      fokino1980 April 16 2013 20: 19
      +1
      And what is bad in pan-Slavism ??? read ignoramus
      "Pan-Slavism is an ideology, the purpose of which is, at least, to unite the currently divided and fragmented Slavic peoples, or, in a more radical version, to create a single Pan-Slavic state. It was formed at the end of the KhVIIII - the first half of the XNUMXth centuries. The National flag of all Slavs is considered the symbols of Pan-Slavism. and the anthem "Hey, Slavs", which were also the national anthem and flag of Yugoslavia. " Shawal !!! Learn the story !!! Helps to lose illusions !!!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 17 2013 00: 57
        -1
        Quote: fokino1980
        And what is bad in pan-Slavism ??? read ignoramus

        I’ll explain, since you yourself can’t stop talking. The unification takes place around some center, this center needs to delegate part of its sovereignty, which the "lads", all of them except Belarusians and Kazakhs, do not want to do.
        Pan-Slavism was invented as a counterweight to Russia in order to oppose the rest of the Slavs to Russia.
        Quote: fokino1980
        Shawal !!! Learn the story !!! Helps to lose illusions !!!

        So haw this western (poop) full spoons. In addition to history, teach economics and political science.
  • Kopvin
    Kopvin April 16 2013 19: 36
    0
    I also think we need sound pragmatism in our relations .... and squandering money just because we are not brothers Slavs should be ...
  • fokino1980
    fokino1980 April 16 2013 20: 14
    +1
    I am very sad !!! People talk about what they don't know, what they don't want to know, to put it mildly !!! It's not even surprising to me that we "fucked up" the USSR !!! With such commanders !!! soldier
    1. Cyanide
      Cyanide April 16 2013 20: 27
      -2
      Quote: fokino1980
      It's not even surprising to me that we "fucked up" the USSR !!!

      Your rotten party is your scoop itself and shit. What is there to be surprised.
  • George
    George April 16 2013 21: 00
    +3
    Hello all.
    I read the article, comments, I will express my opinion.
    Brothers need help. The rulers come and go, but the people remain. And do not say that the Serbs do not want to fight, heard about them as one of the best warriors. When the puppet is in power, all the trouble is worthless.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc April 16 2013 23: 28
      0
      So the whole joke of the situation is that Russia, apart from economic cooperation, can not significantly help Serbia !!!

      And in the economy of course, Russia needs to make a priority on European countries whose peoples are positive about Russia - but on one condition - this cooperation should be long-term, mutual and as honest as possible !!!
  • Opera
    Opera April 16 2013 21: 25
    +2
    For pragmatists and others who want to "be friends" =
    From Churchill's book "World War II": "... On March 2 the government of Yugoslavia signed a pact with Germany, which led to a coup d'etat. The streets of Belgrade were filled with Serbs shouting: Better war than shame! Better death than slavery." As is known, this was followed by massive bombing and the occupation of Yugoslavia.

    From the book of the historian Skvortsov "Kosovo and Metohija": "... it was very difficult for the Serbs to fight on three fronts, Bulgaria also joined the war. By Hitler's decision, the country was divided into three zones - German, Italian and Bulgarian. In spite of this already by the middle of the war, the Serbian resistance was a formidable force that kept only 12 to 15 German divisions. In other words, the Serbs fought in all directions, in complete enemy encirclement. In addition to the above, we should not forget the Bosnian Muslims and Croatian Ustasha whose atrocities even the SS were amazed at!

    In World War 2, 11 percent of the Yugoslav population died, of which 90 percent were Serbs. In total, according to incomplete data, Serbs lost more than 1500000 people.

    And the last - everyone remembers Auschwitz and Buchenwald, but not everyone remembers or does not know Tarchin, Celebin, Gabel and Jasenovac where hundreds of thousands of Serbs, several thousand Jews and Croatian anti-fascists were tortured.
    That's how the Serbs fought! So they helped the Red Army! Such is their benefit!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 17 2013 01: 09
      -2
      And the Russians helped them in return, freed them from the Germans, helped create a federal state, strong, prosperous, and what about the Serbs? Paid contempt for the foremost! They refused the Warsaw Pact, pursued a multi-vector policy, the final is obvious and the Russians are not to blame.
      Quote: Oper
      In World War 2, 11 percent of the Yugoslav population died, of which 90 percent were Serbs. In total, according to incomplete data, Serbs lost more than 1500000 people.

      The USSR lost more than eleven percent, and it was the Russians who accounted for the lion's share of civilian losses, the territories populated by Russians fell under occupation.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc April 17 2013 08: 39
        0
        Here, by the way, the situation is interesting - the fact is that SFRY is not quite Serbia and not even Serbia at all... They have been ruled there for many years by Tito (a dictator like our Stalin) - a Croat by nationality who I personally think has largely influenced the foreign policy of Yugoslavia ...
        And the Croats they have historically always been oriented towards Europe as a whole and to Germany in particular ...

        I think that if Serbia was headed by a Serb, relations with the USSR would be much better !!!
  • Edas
    Edas April 16 2013 21: 28
    +4
    oh Slavs reunite !!!
  • zinander
    zinander April 16 2013 22: 40
    +2
    Who needs someone, and the Serbs need help ... not so many friends with Russia. But all sorts of Cyprus ... maybe it’s not worth it.
  • Opera
    Opera April 17 2013 09: 43
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: OperaWorld War II killed 2 percent of the population of Yugoslavia, of which 11 percent are Serbs. Altogether, according to incomplete data, Serbs lost more than 90 people. The USSR lost more than eleven percent, and the lion's share of civilian casualties was made up of Russians, the territories inhabited by Russians fell under occupation.

    Well, what is this talking about?



    Quote: Selevc
    Here, by the way, the situation is interesting - the fact is that the SFRY is not quite Serbia and not even Serbia at all ... They have had Tito’s rules there for many years

    Yes. By the way, the Croatian Tito launched, in order to weaken precisely Serbian influence, or rather launched Albanians in Kosovo - the result is known! An interesting analogy can also be drawn with the solution of the Rusyn issue in Ukraine, on the lands of which it is now proposed to resettle all kinds of refugees from all over Ukraine ...
  • Terkin
    Terkin April 17 2013 13: 39
    +2
    Serbs are our brothers. These are Russians in the Balkans, they always got it because they are not Europe. We must not leave them.
  • satellite
    satellite April 17 2013 15: 31
    0
    Yes, surrounded by such countries it is difficult for them to survive, I will repeat once again instead of giving a loan to Greece and the countries of "Papua New Guinea" which will certainly not be returned to the Serbs without interest, they are the only ones (on that side of the world) who did not betray us, because that they are ONE BLOOD with us. And how many volunteers from us left for Serbia to fight. The people who shout here "I don't know my house on the edge" do not understand that such allies are not scattered, you can refuse Nigeria, you can refuse Bulgaria, but they are NOT, this is our outpost in Europe and our blood
  • DimychDV
    DimychDV April 21 2013 15: 01
    0
    >> Some of the conditions of the Serbian half-billion loan, according to the journalist, "look exclusive."
    Brief data on the loan: term - 10 years, rate - 3,5% per annum. The grace period for servicing the loan is two years. Repayment will begin in the third year. The first tranche of $ 300 million will be provided shortly, and the remaining $ 200 million will be disbursed by Russia after the country concludes a stabilization agreement with the International Monetary Fund. >>

    Under approximately such conditions, the union countries — France and Russia, say, before the First World War, entered into ordinary loans and borrowings. And then the Americans came into the tradition of international treaties with their own rules, their own credit interest, and other doctrines.
  • elmir15
    elmir15 April 25 2013 02: 20
    +2
    Oh, no matter how history repeats itself, when so many countries were kept under the USSR, they wrote off debts to them