Russia and India plan to sign a contract for the supply of three more frigates

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[camcos]

Excellent and experience will grow and money will not hurt, the main thing is of course that the plant works.

[Civil]

The main thing new ships would not deprive

[FATEMOGAN]

Quote: Civil

The main thing new ships would not deprive

When we train in Indians, we won’t deprive ourselves of anything - salaries, experience, after so many years of stagnation will not hurt, and money is needed to convert the factories themselves to modern equipment. I'm not talking about indirect assistance to steelworkers and other related industries, so I think we will not stay in the loser.

[alex-defensor]

The contract amount is 3 billion dollars. As noted in the Russian blog BMPD devoted to weapons, the price seems too high.

Well, "kickbacks" were not invented in Russia. All over the world, Western corporations have promoted this way. We just learned from experience. It is clear that specific Hindus have received something, but this is their question (not ours). If not us, other (Western companies) would have "rolled back". Still, it is good that we have India, from such cooperation, and they are good for us.

[Rustam]

a few questions

1- the contract has not been signed yet, and our sorrow activists start blowing in advance and throwing them into the press (this has already happened hundreds of times, that everything will be practically signed by super contracts, and then again, oh, and for some reason they bought from the USA)

2-If a contract is signed, who will execute it? Amber that has barely coped with the previous order for ships 11356 and is now busy with the construction of three ships for our Navy, 4 works at the initial stage stopped OSK again breaks the price

3-there is a Balt plant which at one time fulfilled the first order for three frigates - will they give it?

that is, there are more questions than answers, but as always, we are ahead of the rest in all faults

photo frigates 11356 Indian Navy with a visit to the UK 2012

[Geisenberg]

Quote: FATEMOGAN

When we train in Indians, we won’t deprive ourselves of anything - salaries, experience, after

In the event that ROSPIL was overlooked, no one canceled it. Revenues go through Rosoboronexport all the same and there are more than enough who wish for it.

[Stiletto]

Quote: Civil

The main thing new ships would not deprive

I agree. So my question arises: if we are so smart that we are building for others, why then are we so poor?

[Alikovo]

for our fleet, they are not building much.

[Sakhalininsk]

Quote: FATEMOGAN

When we train in Indians, we won’t deprive ourselves of anything - salaries, experience, after so many years of stagnation will not hurt, and money is needed to convert the factories themselves to modern equipment. I'm not talking about indirect assistance to steelworkers and other related industries, so I think we will not stay in the loser.

That's right, but now we have a catastrophic shortage of ships of the 1st and 2nd rank, that we load capacities and do not lose the potential of shipbuilders well, but now we need to complete our fleet.

[FATEMOGAN]

Quote: Sakhalininets

That's right, but now we have a catastrophic shortage of ships of the 1st and 2nd rank, that we load capacities and do not lose the potential of shipbuilders well, but now we need to complete our fleet.

I agree that we ourselves need ships, but it would be thought that the state would have such an opportunity, if they would fill the shipyards with their orders, it means there isn’t enough money yet, well, do not refuse the Indians if they liked our ships, we’ll yawn their market intercept other countries .

[123dv]

Firstly, ships!
Secondly, the Indians are our partners.
Thirdly, it was they who revived our aircraft and shipbuilding with their orders, at the very time when OUR state did not invest a penny at all.
Fourth, the more orders, the better. Like a cow - the more you milk, the more the udder.
The industry needs to gain momentum, fine-tune relations with allies, technological chains, identify weaknesses in the workplace, let the specialists update their knowledge and transfer experience to young people, and people need to feed their families with something.
Fifth, our fleet needs not only quantity, but also the quality of ships under construction. And no quality is possible without orders and investment in production. Thanks to the Indians for supporting us with their orders in difficult years.

[dimon-media]

I liked the last sentence in the article: - The controlling stake in the plant belongs to the state. In all factories it would be so ... And then fucking private owners owning controlling stakes, act only in their selfish interests.

[Vtel]

The main thing is that this does not affect the supply of ships to our Fleet. And they have money today, and tomorrow the "taburts-chub-geese" will cut them offshore.

[VadimSt]

Quote: Sakhalininets

but we now need to complete our fleet.

Definitely, but for the modernization of the enterprise, to fulfill the defense order, money is also needed. This was once said on the air.

[svp67]

The news is positive. We will work out the construction of such ships, see how they "go", make the necessary changes and go ahead, build for our fleet ...

[Nayhas]

"Let's work out the construction of such ships" - how much more to work out? 1135 one of the most massive projects was in the USSR, and 11356 have already built six of them ...

[Warchief]

Found suckers who can shove Gorshkovsky trash. I'm shouting Roissay.

[NAPOLEON]

prices 6 years yes we only have rent in this time 2 increased the minimum that they want. They have a crisis world prices are falling for us on the contrary we need to compensate for losses in the external markets. prices of monopolies are growing regardless of what. in the States the price of gas in 3 years has fallen to the point of roses. the price of goods in currency terms is constantly increasing because the ruble is not devalued.

[VohaAhov]

A source told the author of the material that the Russian side should not worry about concluding a new contract, since it is planned to install Brahmos anti-ship missile of joint Russian-Indian development on new ships, unlike the ships transferred and under construction.


Strangely, the Brahmos anti-ship missiles are already on the second three.
And for the order, "dung" between Yantar, Severnaya Verf and the Baltic Shipyard will probably start again

[UFO]

The news seems to be not bad, but a tub of slops has already been poured. And, what would be better would be like - "India sent tries .... Russia with such ships" or "Nobody wants to buy Russian frigates, because they are outdated during construction." And the "well-wishers?

[Rriv]

Yes, the Brahmos are on the last. And Amber is busy with our orders.

[VohaAhov]

There is good news. As can be seen from the article in the newspaper "Military-Industrial Courier" - on April 18, the keel of "Admiral Butakov" will finally be laid. According to the plan, it should have been in November 2012, then it was postponed to March 20, 2013. But do not be upset - the construction of the frigate was underway.

[Evgeniy667b]

There would be a guarantee that the money from foreign contracts will go to the development of production and personnel training, and not settle in someone’s pocket ...

[Odysseus]

How these "effective managers" got it!
Own fleet of 20 years with virtually no new ships, and they all in India want to build something.

[old rocket man]

Quote: Odyssey

How these "effective managers" got it!
Own fleet of 20 years with virtually no new ships, and they all in India want to build something.

Estimate such a situation, suddenly, the good god gave Russia immediately 40 frigates, and what will you do with them? Do not hesitate, I’ll tell you - put them against the wall (if there is enough space) and they will safely rot even once before you go to sea, why ?, try to guess for yourself.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Old Rocketman

Estimate such a situation, suddenly, the good god gave Russia immediately 40 frigates, and what will you do with them? Do not hesitate, I’ll tell you - put them against the wall (if there is enough space) and they will safely rot even once before you go to sea, why ?, try to guess for yourself.

From the fact that we have bad personnel and base logistics, it does not follow that it is necessary to build ships for the "uncle." From this it follows only that it is necessary to work to improve the state of affairs with personnel and bases.
And then you don’t need about God and 40 ships. Ships are made not by God, but specific people, but as for 40 ships ... At the Pacific Fleet, for example, in principle, there’s not just one relatively new ship ... You don’t need 40, you need at least 2-3.

[old rocket man]

[quote = Odyssey] [quote.
And then you don’t need about God and 40 ships. Ships are made not by God, but specific people, but as for 40 ships ... At the Pacific Fleet, for example, in principle, there’s not just one relatively new ship ... You don’t need 40, you need at least 2-3. [/ quote

Yes, I know that the lady doesn’t build ships, and the lady doesn’t prepare personnel, and not half a year, and we need not two or three, but to ensure the defense of the near sea zone and minimal influence in the ocean, it is necessary for three fleets in order to have 30-40 frigates and 40-50 corvettes, not counting the good hundreds of other types of ships, without which these very frigates are almost useless and doomed to heroic death or inglorious decay.
And all this is necessary for the cut, and the ships and the coastal structure, and if you strain hard and leave all of Russia without pants and skirts, then this will take about fifteen years (or more).
Desires, like wishes, must be weighed against opportunities.

[VohaAhov]

For pessimists, I would like to inform you that at the moment there are 6 frigates at different stages of construction for the Russian Navy. April 18 to join them the seventh. If everything is in chocolate, three more will be laid by the end of the year. According to the plan, the commissioning of "Admiral Gorshkov" is scheduled for this year, but judging by the latest photos, it is possible that this term will be postponed to 2014. Also, according to the plan, this year it is planned to launch two frigates - "Admiral Grigorovich" and "Admiral Kasatonov". To anyone interested, I can tell you plans for other types of Russian ships.

[Mikola]

Project 1136.5 frigates are a lifesaver for the Russian fleet! Firstly, this is the standardization of the type for the fleet, secondly, given the problems of the Russian economy, a large series will make them cheap, thirdly, the step-by-step introduction of new weapons systems will remove a bunch of problems with the development of new systems and maintaining the combat readiness of ships. The fourth conclusion is that the next frigate MUST be developed on the basis of Project 1136.5, so that the first three advantages do not disappear (it is already known that the implementation of the new frigate project 22350 is stalled). And it would be logical to make a new destroyer project based on Project 1136.5. It will be a fairly logical line of fleet development with cheap implementation, similar to the US Berkeley destroyers. It is stupid to reinvent the wheel when there is this successful project.