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Bundeswehr is negotiating with Israel on the purchase of combat drones

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Will the Bundeswehr get armed drones? Defense Minister de Maizière stated that the final decision has not yet been made. Nevertheless, according to SPIEGEL, intensive negotiations are underway with Israel on their purchase. Air Force Commander Lieutenant General Karl Mülner (Charles Muellner) recently visited Israel to see their capabilities on the spot.

Berlin. Defense Minister Thomas de Maiziere decided to postpone the purchase of armed drones. According to information received by Spiegel, his department is still actively negotiating their acquisition.

In response to a request from the Bundestag deputy from the Left Party, Jan van Aken, the Ministry of Defense confirmed that last November and February of this year, I was pleased to meet with the Israeli military and the manufacturer of the Heron UAV. The Bundeswehr is already using unarmed UAVs in Afghanistan.



Recently, Israel was also visited by the commander of the Air Force, Lieutenant General Charles Mülner, where he got acquainted with the capabilities of the armed version of the UAV "Heron TP". The German Air Force stated that the Heron UAV is preferable to the American Predator drones, since the Israelis have made significant progress in the development of the UAV. In addition, Israel would allow the Germans to acquire UAV technology, and the United States did not agree to this.

Minister de Maiziere stated this in the last week before the elections, but now he does not want to make a final decision on the purchase of combat drone. This is consistent with the government coalition.



Initially, de Maiziere announced the upcoming decision this spring. Representatives of coalition parties and the Bundeswehr opposed such a quick decision. In addition, in society, the attitude to the use of such devices is ambiguous.

Armed drones are used primarily by US forces in the hunt for terrorists. Despite the fact that they are equipped with high-precision missiles, civilians are often the victims of drones.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 16 2013 06: 38 New
    +2
    It looks like the "future" from the "Terminator" is becoming real ... bully
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 16 2013 06: 41 New
    +2
    But seriously, I would very much like to hear the news about the appearance of such machines in the Russian Armed Forces. And others - capable of destroying their own kind
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 16 2013 06: 47 New
    +4
    Looks like the sons of Israel really became trendsetters in this direction. what
  4. pinecone
    pinecone April 16 2013 06: 55 New
    +1
    Drones. The word is what. Could it be otherwise, UAVs, for example.
  5. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 16 2013 06: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    But seriously, I would very much like to hear the news about the appearance of such machines in the Russian Armed Forces.


    So move!
    The Sokol Design Bureau located in Tatarstan and the St. Petersburg Transas in 2011 won the tender of the Russian Ministry of Defense in the amount of 1 billion rubles (33 million dollars) for the development of a medium-altitude long-duration UAV with a mass of 5 t, which received the working name Altius and UAV mass 1 t "Pacer".

    According to the vice president of Transas, Viktor Godunov, the new systems will be competitive with foreign counterparts, having a very long range and flight duration, as well as the ability to perform any tasks, including drums.

    Sokol Design Bureau is responsible for the design of vehicles and ground control stations, while Transas should provide control systems and electronics for Altius and Pacer. The first flight of both devices is planned for 2014, and a full-scale flight test program should begin in 2015.


    ZALA Aero Group of Companies has developed a secure navigation and communications system for unmanned aerial vehicles. “With such a complex, a drone can perform its tasks normally and return to base even if the satellite navigation signal is lost.”


    But not everything is so smooth.
    MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation filed a lawsuit against the Sokol Design Bureau and the Russian Ministry of Defense. According to MiG, the essence of the claim was an unfair determination of the winner of the tender for the development of unmanned aerial vehicles for the needs of the defense department.


    The model of the prospective UAV Altius-M.
  6. svp67
    svp67 April 16 2013 06: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Looks like the sons of Israel really became trendsetters in this direction. what


    So much money has been invested in their economy, especially in the military by the Shtat, that their mother is not grieving. And since the "soil" (this is how much "intelligence" is concentrated in Israel), and the "climate" (they live surrounded by enemies) are fertile, the shoots are given accordingly ...
    1. Professor
      April 16 2013 08: 27 New
      +4
      “Shtatovtsy” invested so much money in their economy, especially military

      Not invested. Of the 3 billions of military aid that the United States allocates the lion’s, it is necessary to spend on American armaments (this is how the Lavi fighter project and much more were ruined). Egypt receives exactly the same help. Result on the face.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 16 2013 08: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor

        Not invested. Of the 3 billions of military aid that the United States allocates the lion’s, it is necessary to spend on American armaments (this is how the Lavi fighter project and much more were ruined). Egypt receives exactly the same help. Result on the face.


        Actually, the figure is estimated at 79 billion dollars and these are DIRECT GOVERNMENTS, but there are also indirect ones ...
        1. Professor
          April 16 2013 09: 11 New
          +2
          Actually, the figure is estimated at 79 billion dollars and these are DIRECT GOVERNMENTS, but there are also indirect ones ...

          This is for all 65 years of the state of Israel. Take an interest in how many billions were allocated for example to Egypt (do not forget about the help of the USSR).
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 16 2013 09: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      So much money has been invested in their economy, especially in the military by the Shtat, that their mother is not grieving.


      In addition to the fact that money for the military commissar goes mainly for the purchase of Amer’s weapons, the same “owners of money” as a rule block all attempts by the Israeli-Russian military-technical cooperation at the high-tech exchange level. So in 2008 at a high level (Medvedev-Olmert (?) if I’m not mistaken) agreed to deploy a GLONASS laser correction station in Israel, plus we worked on the issue of concluding a contract for equipping our military satellites with Israeli equipment (optoelectronic intelligence). It turned out that Israel saved on satellites and their launch and received some data from areas of interest to them (it was not necessary to cut new Ofeki despite the fact that the existing group was qualitatively improved due to Russian spacecraft) from our satellites plus could use the data of the correction station. We, too, did not risk anything by receiving modern equipment and satellites located under our control. Israel was given only the data that did not affect our secrets, let’s say so.
      Then the deal did not take place at the urgent request of American friends.Now they raised this issue again with the station and with the satellites, even according to the press of the NGO Lavochkin (Khimki) is going to conclude a contract with the Israeli company IAI for the supply of radio-electronic stuffing. However, there are fears and not unreasonable, that this time too, under pressure from the Americans, Israel will have to refuse a mutually beneficial contract, KB Arsenal, which was engaged in similar technologies, has been pushed since Gorbachev’s times, and now the Russians will receive modern technologies and begin to recover what they lost. God forbid, this cannot be allowed ... And on the contrary, our advanced things are unacceptable for many of the "allies" of the Empire of Good. Let's say Turkey is not allowed to purchase S-300VM air defense systems ("Antei") from Russia better than Patriots from Lockheed Martin than the "enemy" Antei. And Venezuela, for example, acquired these systems without problems.
      So who feeds the girl and dances her
      1. biglow
        biglow April 16 2013 19: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        Quote: svp67
        So much money has been invested in their economy, especially in the military by the Shtat, that their mother is not grieving.


        In addition to the fact that money for the military commissar goes mainly for the purchase of Amer’s weapons, the same “owners of money” as a rule block all attempts by the Israeli-Russian military-technical cooperation at the high-tech exchange level. So in 2008 at a high level (Medvedev-Olmert (?) if I’m not mistaken) agreed to deploy a GLONASS laser correction station in Israel, plus we worked on the issue of concluding a contract for equipping our military satellites with Israeli equipment (optoelectronic intelligence). It turned out that Israel saved on satellites and their launch and received some data from areas of interest to them (it was not necessary to cut new Ofeki despite the fact that the existing group was qualitatively improved due to Russian spacecraft) from our satellites plus could use the data of the correction station. We, too, did not risk anything by receiving modern equipment and satellites located under our control. Israel was given only the data that did not affect our secrets, let’s say so.
        Then the deal did not take place at the urgent request of American friends.Now they raised this issue again with the station and with the satellites, even according to the press of the NGO Lavochkin (Khimki) is going to conclude a contract with the Israeli company IAI for the supply of radio-electronic stuffing. However, there are fears and not unreasonable, that this time too, under pressure from the Americans, Israel will have to refuse a mutually beneficial contract, KB Arsenal, which was engaged in similar technologies, has been pushed since Gorbachev’s times, and now the Russians will receive modern technologies and begin to recover what they lost. God forbid, this cannot be allowed ... And on the contrary, our advanced things are unacceptable for many of the "allies" of the Empire of Good. Let's say Turkey is not allowed to purchase S-300VM air defense systems ("Antei") from Russia better than Patriots from Lockheed Martin than the "enemy" Antei. And Venezuela, for example, acquired these systems without problems.
        So who feeds the girl and dances her

        GLONAS station can now be delivered in Cyprus, they now owe Russia money
  7. Kaa
    Kaa April 16 2013 07: 02 New
    0
    Question number one - who will be hunted by Israeli drones in Germany (Armed drones are used primarily by US forces in the hunt for terrorists. Despite the fact that high-precision missiles are installed on them, civilians often become victims of drones). request
    Question two - will operators have to learn Hebrew, or are drones originally German-understanding? belay
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 16 2013 07: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Kaa
      Question number one - who in Germany will Israeli drones hunt

      Apparently they are either waiting for "visit" or they themselves decided to go ...

      Quote: Kaa
      Question two - will operators have to learn Hebrew, or are drones originally German-understanding?


      And they will also order a "drone translator" in Israel ... bully
      1. Professor
        April 16 2013 08: 29 New
        +6
        And they will also order a "drone translator" in Israel ...

        Kosher drones do not fly on Saturdays and speak Yiddish (almost Old German). laughing
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 16 2013 07: 03 New
    +1
    This is not the future, this is the present. And these drones work for "glory." How much information, both secret and everyday, is pulled from such flights. And how many special operations have already been carried out. Some are rumored: Osama B. Laden, the killing of the "irreconcilable" in Pakistan, Afghanistan and all the hot spots. Neither intelligence nor troops can do without them (UAVs).
  9. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator April 16 2013 07: 09 New
    +1
    It is very strange that Germany is a country of advanced technology buys drones from Israel request
  10. TSOOBER
    TSOOBER April 16 2013 07: 17 New
    +1
    On my
    look a breakthrough in the use of UAVs will be the likeness of artificial intelligence and work in a "flock"! A single UAV detects air defense of several units equipped with electronic warfare systems "crush" radars and, finally, following the order of the head unit, armed with high-precision weapons destroy the target! The host machine conducts both target designation and distribution of goals, and also gives an indication of returning to base! For each task (air defense, aug, strategic objects), a "smart flock" is formed on the base, the task is set in the same place, the direction is set and go on the hunt!
  11. Professor
    April 16 2013 08: 47 New
    +3
    In my opinion, a breakthrough in the use of UAVs will be the likeness of artificial intelligence and work in a "flock"

    UAV networks are already a reality.
  12. pinecone
    pinecone April 16 2013 17: 40 New
    0
    In, I came up with! UAVs can be called combat driny. Then it will be clearer.