Bundeswehr is negotiating with Israel on the purchase of combat drones

Will the Bundeswehr get armed drones? Defense Minister de Maizière said no final decision had yet been made. However, according to SPIEGEL, intensive negotiations are underway with Israel for their purchase. The commander of the Air Force, Lieutenant General Charles Muellner, recently visited Israel to get acquainted with their capabilities on the spot.

Berlin. Defense Minister Thomas de Maiziere decided to postpone the purchase of armed drones. According to information received by Spiegel, his department is still actively negotiating their acquisition.

In response to a request from the Bundestag deputy from the Left Party, Jan van Aken, the Ministry of Defense confirmed that last November and February of this year, I was pleased to meet with the Israeli military and the manufacturer of the Heron UAV. The Bundeswehr is already using unarmed UAVs in Afghanistan.

Recently, Israel was also visited by the commander of the Air Force, Lieutenant General Charles Mülner, where he got acquainted with the capabilities of the armed version of the UAV "Heron TP". The German Air Force stated that the Heron UAV is preferable to the American Predator drones, since the Israelis have made significant progress in the development of the UAV. In addition, Israel would allow the Germans to acquire UAV technology, and the United States did not agree to this.

Minister de Maiziere stated this in the last week before the elections, but now he does not want to make a final decision on the purchase of combat drone. This is consistent with the government coalition.

Initially, de Maiziere announced the upcoming decision this spring. Representatives of coalition parties and the Bundeswehr opposed such a quick decision. In addition, in society, the attitude to the use of such devices is ambiguous.

Armed drones are used primarily by US forces in the hunt for terrorists. Despite the fact that they are equipped with high-precision missiles, civilians are often the victims of drones.

Comments

[svp67]

It looks like the "future" from "Terminator" is becoming reality ...

[svp67]

But seriously, I would very much like to hear the news about the appearance of such machines in the Russian Armed Forces. And others - capable of destroying their own kind

[Vladimirets]

Looks like the sons of Israel really became trendsetters in this direction.

[pinecone]

"Drones". The word is what. Couldn't it be somehow different, UAV, for example.

[VadimSt]

Quote: svp67

But seriously, I would very much like to hear the news about the appearance of such machines in the Russian Armed Forces.

So move!

The Sokol Design Bureau located in Tatarstan and the St. Petersburg Transas in 2011 won a tender of the Russian Ministry of Defense in the amount of 1 billion rubles (33 million dollars) for the development of a medium-altitude long-duration UAV weighing 5 tons, which received the working name Altius and UAV weighing 1 t "Paceman".

According to the vice-president of Transas, Viktor Godunov, the new systems will be competitive with foreign counterparts, having a very long range and duration of flight, as well as the ability to perform any tasks, including shock ones.

The Sokol Design Bureau is responsible for the design of the vehicles and for the ground control stations, while the Transas is to provide the control systems and electronics for the Altius and the Walker. The first flight of both vehicles is scheduled for 2014, and a full-scale flight test program is to begin in 2015.

ZALA Aero Group of Companies has developed a secure navigation and communications system for unmanned aerial vehicles. “With such a complex, a drone can perform its tasks normally and return to base even if the satellite navigation signal is lost.”

But not everything is so smooth.

MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation filed a lawsuit against the Sokol Design Bureau and the Russian Ministry of Defense. According to MiG, the essence of the claim was an unfair determination of the winner of the tender for the development of unmanned aerial vehicles for the needs of the defense department.

The layout of the promising UAV "Altius-M".

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimirets

Looks like the sons of Israel really became trendsetters in this direction.

So much money has been invested in their economy, especially in the military one, that Mama don’t worry. And since the "soil" (this is how much "intelligence" is concentrated in Israel), and the "climate" (they live surrounded by enemies) are fertile, then the corresponding seedlings are given ...

[Professor]

In their economy, especially in the military, the "statesmen" have invested so much money,

Not invested. Of the 3 billions of military aid that the United States allocates the lion’s, it is necessary to spend on American armaments (this is how the Lavi fighter project and much more were ruined). Egypt receives exactly the same help. Result on the face.

[svp67]

Quote: Professor

Not invested. Of the 3 billions of military aid that the United States allocates the lion’s, it is necessary to spend on American armaments (this is how the Lavi fighter project and much more were ruined). Egypt receives exactly the same help. Result on the face.

Actually, the figure is estimated at 79 billion dollars and these are DIRECT GOVERNMENTS, but there are also indirect ones ...

[Professor]

Actually, the figure is estimated at 79 billion dollars and these are DIRECT GOVERNMENTS, but there are also indirect ones ...

This is for all 65 years of the state of Israel. Take an interest in how many billions were allocated for example to Egypt (do not forget about the help of the USSR).

[Ascetic]

Quote: svp67

So much money has been invested in their economy, especially in the military one, that Mama do not worry.

In addition to the fact that the money for the military service goes mainly to the purchase of amerovskoy weapons, the same "owners of money" as a rule block all inclinations of the Israeli-Russian military-technical cooperation at the level of exchange of high technologies. So in 2008. at a high level (Medvedev-Olmert (?) if I am not mistaken) agreed on the deployment of a GLONASS laser correction station in Israel, plus the issue of concluding a contract for equipping our military satellites with Israeli equipment (optical-electronic reconnaissance). It turned out that Israel saved on satellites and their launch and received some data from the regions of interest (there was no need to cut new Ofeks, despite the fact that the existing grouping was qualitatively improved due to Russian spacecraft) from our satellites, plus it could use the correction station data. We, too, did not risk anything by getting modern equipment and satellites located under our control. Israel was given only the data that did not affect our secrets, let’s say so.
Then the deal did not take place precisely at the urgent request of American friends, Now they raised this issue again with the station and with satellites, even according to press reports, the Lavochkin NPO (Khimki) is going to conclude a contract with the Israeli firm IAI for the supply of radio-electronic stuffing. However, there are fears and not unfounded that this time, under pressure from the Americans, Israel will be forced to abandon a mutually beneficial contract, KB Arsenal, which was engaged in such technologies, was pushed back from Gorbachev's times, and now the Russians will receive modern technologies and begin to restore what they have lost themselves. God forbid, this should not be allowed ... And vice versa, our advanced things are unacceptable for many "allies" of the Empire of Good. Suppose Turkey is not allowed to buy S-300VM (Antey) air defense systems from Russia, better Patriots from Lockheed Martin than the "enemy" Antei. Venezuela, for example, acquired these complexes without any problems.
So who feeds the girl and dances her

[biglow]

Quote: Ascetic

Quote: svp67

So much money has been invested in their economy, especially in the military one, that Mama do not worry.

In addition to the fact that the money for the military service goes mainly to the purchase of amerovskoy weapons, the same "owners of money" as a rule block all inclinations of the Israeli-Russian military-technical cooperation at the level of exchange of high technologies. So in 2008. at a high level (Medvedev-Olmert (?) if I am not mistaken) agreed on the deployment of a GLONASS laser correction station in Israel, plus the issue of concluding a contract for equipping our military satellites with Israeli equipment (optical-electronic reconnaissance). It turned out that Israel saved on satellites and their launch and received some data from the regions of interest (there was no need to cut new Ofeks, despite the fact that the existing grouping was qualitatively improved due to Russian spacecraft) from our satellites, plus it could use the correction station data. We, too, did not risk anything by getting modern equipment and satellites located under our control. Israel was given only the data that did not affect our secrets, let’s say so.
Then the deal did not take place precisely at the urgent request of American friends, Now they raised this issue again with the station and with satellites, even according to press reports, the Lavochkin NPO (Khimki) is going to conclude a contract with the Israeli firm IAI for the supply of radio-electronic stuffing. However, there are fears and not unfounded that this time, under pressure from the Americans, Israel will be forced to abandon a mutually beneficial contract, KB Arsenal, which was engaged in such technologies, was pushed back from Gorbachev's times, and now the Russians will receive modern technologies and begin to restore what they have lost themselves. God forbid, this should not be allowed ... And vice versa, our advanced things are unacceptable for many "allies" of the Empire of Good. Suppose Turkey is not allowed to buy S-300VM (Antey) air defense systems from Russia, better Patriots from Lockheed Martin than the "enemy" Antei. Venezuela, for example, acquired these complexes without any problems.
So who feeds the girl and dances her

GLONAS station can now be delivered in Cyprus, they now owe Russia money

[Kaa]

Question number one - who will be hunted by Israeli drones in Germany (Armed drones are used primarily by US forces in the hunt for terrorists. Despite the fact that high-precision missiles are installed on them, civilians often become victims of drones).
Question two - will operators have to learn Hebrew, or are drones originally German-understanding?

[svp67]

Quote: Kaa

Question number one - who in Germany will Israeli drones hunt

Apparently, either someone is waiting for a "visit" or they themselves decided to go ...

Quote: Kaa

Question two - will operators have to learn Hebrew, or are drones originally German-understanding?

And they will also order a "translator drone" in Israel ...

[Professor]

And they will also order a "translator drone" in Israel ...

Kosher drones do not fly on Saturdays and speak Yiddish (almost Old German).

[aszzz888]

This is no longer the future, this is the present. And these drones work for "glory". How much information, both secret and everyday, is pulled out from such flights. And how many special operations have already been carried out. Some are heard: Osama B. Laden, the murders of the "irreconcilable" in Pakistani territory, Afghan and all hot spots. Neither reconnaissance nor troops can do without them (UAVs).

[Svatdevostator]

It is very strange that Germany is a country of advanced technology buys drones from Israel

[TSOOBER]

On my
a breakthrough in the use of UAVs will be the presence of a semblance of artificial intelligence and work in a "flock"! A single UAV detects air defense several units equipped with electronic warfare systems "crush" the radars and finally, following the order of the head apparatus, armed with precision weapons destroy the target! The lead vehicle conducts both target designation and distribution of targets, and also gives an indication of returning to base! For each task (air defense, AUG, strategic objects), a "smart flock" is formed at the base, the task is set there, the direction is set and go hunting!

[Professor]

In my opinion, a breakthrough in the use of UAVs will be the presence of a semblance of artificial intelligence and work in a "flock"

UAV networks are already a reality.

[pinecone]

In, invented! UAVs can be called combat "drins". Then it will be clearer.