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Parliamentary hearings on the future of the MiG-31

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Last Thursday, a unique event took place in the State Duma. Separate parliamentary hearings organized by the Committee on Defense dealt with only one type of military equipment. The topic of the hearings looked like this: "The resumption of production of the MiG-31: reality and prospects." Despite its age, this aircraft remains the main long-range interceptor for the Russian Air Force and will retain this status for the next few years. Due to the importance of such airplanes for the country's defense capability, a separate discussion of their future prospects took place in the State Duma.




The hearings began with a speech by G. Zyuganov, the head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Duma faction. According to him, in recent years, the domestic aircraft industry is experiencing serious problems, primarily of a personnel nature. Therefore, in order to preserve and develop the existing industrial potential, it is necessary to take appropriate measures, for example, to strengthen government support for specialists. It is worth noting that such a move is indeed capable of significantly improving the situation in the industry, but the main question of the hearings was the further fate of the MiG-31 fighters.

The importance of this aircraft is vividly confirmed by the figures given by V. Komoyedov, Chairman of the Committee on Defense, in his speech. Of the 62 with more than a thousand kilometers of the state border of Russia, about 13,5 thousand is not executed. In addition, about a third of the country's airspace is not controlled by the air force. These factors clearly demonstrate the importance of long-range interceptors MiG-31 for the air defense of the state.

According to Komoyedov, the characteristics of these aircraft over the next ten years will exceed the capabilities of foreign aircraft. Therefore, it is urgent to solve the issue of numbers. For twenty years of serial production, Soviet and Russian aviation The industry has built more than 500 MiG-31 aircraft. As of last year, the troops were half the size. At the same time, according to Komoyedov, at least 120 aircraft are in combat readiness. This means that only 20-25% of the total number of collected interceptors can currently perform their tasks.

All the arguments cited by the Chairman of the Committee on Defense, in fact, were arguments in favor of the main thesis, emphasizing the need to resume production of MiG-31 interceptors. In this case, if the new aircraft will be built in accordance with the updated project, the estimated service life of the fighters will increase by 15 years or even more. Therefore, in the very near future it is worthwhile to consider the issue of a new start to the construction of the MiG-31.

Further, Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force Lieutenant-General V. Bondarev spoke on the subject. He agrees with the general assessment of the MiG-31 aircraft and stressed that the Air Force "is not one iota" against it. However, the construction of new interceptors, even if they have undergone modernization, according to the commander, cannot be economically advantageous.

The main reason for the opinion about the inexpediency of assembling new aircraft of the old model lies in the obsolescence of technology. MiG-31, with all its merits and advantages, is quite an old car. As noted Bondarev, the element base of the aircraft is very outdated. As an example, he cited the difference in the characteristics of the MiG-31 and the newest Su-35 and T-50 fighters. Thus, the target detection range of new aircraft is almost twice as large as that of old interceptors. In the context of comparing old and new cars, as well as their characteristics, the Air Force Commander recalled the American reconnaissance aircraft Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. It is still the fastest production aircraft in the world, but has long been decommissioned. The reason is its general moral and technical obsolescence, which completely eliminates all the advantages of speed.

A clear sign of obsolescence of the MiG-31 aircraft is problems with the cockpit lantern. Lieutenant General Bondarev confirmed the information circulating in the aviation circles about the destruction of the glazing during flights at high speeds. In connection with this problem, the front-line MiG-31 can no longer accelerate to the maximum possible 2900-3000 kilometers per hour. Pilots are advised to fly no faster than 1500-1600 km / h, since the glazing of the airplane's lanterns heats unevenly and can crack and then collapse. It is difficult to talk about this with certainty, but there is every reason to assume that the interceptors of the air force are not without other problems associated with the age of technology.

Currently, the Air Force intends to modernize the MiG-31 as it is. First of all, the aircraft electronics will undergo significant processing. For this, noted Bondarev, additional design work is required, but they will obviously be simpler than the resumption of aircraft production. According to the commander in chief, about 15 billion rubles will be needed to resolve the issue with the engines and about 10 for the actual resumption of the manufacture of interceptors.

This money, according to Bondarev, will be more profitable to invest in the creation of a new long-range interceptor. Development, testing and refinement will take several years, but in the end, the Russian Air Force will receive a completely new aircraft, the combat potential of which will be significantly higher than that of the latest modifications of the MiG-31. It is extremely interesting that the creation of a new interceptor has already begun. Bondarev said that the Air Force some time ago initiated the development of such an aircraft, and it will appear by 2020 year. Approximately before 2028, the air force intends to replace the entire fleet of obsolete MiG-31 with a new interceptor.

A member of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government M. Kashtan agreed with the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force. He also does not see the point in the production of new aircraft and agrees with the need to develop a new interceptor. However, M. Kashtan noted that in the near future it is necessary to restore the existing fleet of aircraft. In this case, before entering the troops of the new aircraft, the airspace of the country will be protected by about three hundred modernized MiG-31 interceptors.

The result of the hearings was several recommendations issued to various departments. So, the Government of Russia was charged with forming a special commission from employees of various ministries, and also recommended including a relevant paragraph in the current State rearmament program regarding the future of the MiG-31 aircraft. The Military-Industrial Commission was tasked to determine the conditions necessary for the resumption of production of the MiG-31, as well as for the implementation of the modernization program for existing aircraft. Perhaps the most important task was the Ministry of Defense. It will have to determine the prospects of the MiG-31, calculate the required number of aircraft, as well as maintain the current state of the existing interceptors. Finally, the Ministry of Industry and Trade was instructed to stop the disposal of aircraft and the elimination of the remnants of the production infrastructure.

As we see, the parliamentary hearings ended with the most common words, which, however, is not surprising. At present, the program for upgrading MiG-31 interceptors with electronics upgrading, repair of structures, etc. is already being implemented. In the course of such modernization, the aircraft receive the MiG-31BM index. The current program, in contrast to the one that will start in accordance with the requirements of the parliamentary hearings, has a completely understandable look and prospects. The MiG-31BM project appeared more than ten years ago and therefore has long been without questions.

The details of a certain modernization, which may begin soon, have not yet been made public for obvious reasons. Moreover, judging by the date of decision-making, there is not even a common plan and appearance of the updated aircraft. For this reason, now all or almost all statements about the modernization of fighters will be in the nature of assumptions, but no more. Consequently, we can assume any course of events. In this case, the most likely method for upgrading interceptors is to expand the plans of the previous program. In other words, not only a few dozen MiG-31s, but also a number of other aircraft of the same model will now be renovated and updated.



The advantages of this method of updating the MiG-31 parks are obvious. Production of the necessary components is adjusted, the characteristics of the upgraded aircraft suit the customer, and the production process is launched. The air force has already received a number of updated machines. From the end of 2011, the plans of the Ministry of Defense regularly mention that 60 interceptors will be upgraded. The rest were to remain in the same condition as they are now. Now, probably, all other MiG-31 aircraft, too, will eventually go to aircraft factories to replace equipment and repair other systems.

It should be noted that not only airplanes are needed for effective air defense of the country. It is also desirable to update a number of other systems directly related to interceptors. As an example, take weapons. the main thing weapon MiG-31 interceptors of all modifications - long-range air-to-air missile P-33. It is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 150-160 kilometers. However, this rocket was put into service in the early eighties and therefore can no longer be called fully modern. Other missiles, such as the new KS-172, may come to replace it in the coming years. The designers of NPO Novator intend to provide her with a range of 400 kilometers. Obviously, achieving such characteristics is a very difficult task and, unfortunately, over the next few years, MiG-31 fighters will not receive a new missile.

In addition to special long-range missiles, interceptors also need some ground-based weapons. Thus, the MiG-31 was originally created as one of the elements of the complex and had to go to the interception area, using data from ground-based radar. Further actions the aircraft produces independently, if necessary, using information from air defense radars or early warning aircraft. Thus, for efficient work of MiG-31 interceptors, including modernized ones, it is required to restore the lost ground infrastructure where it was, and also to create a new one in areas where it was previously absent.

As a result, news about the MiG-31 interceptor at the same time look both positive and ambiguous. On the one hand, these aircraft really need to be upgraded to maintain their characteristics and combat potential. On the other hand, past years without due attention had a detrimental effect on the condition of the aircraft themselves and the necessary infrastructure. Thus, all the necessary work may ultimately entail a large investment of time and money. In this case, I would like the modernization of the aircraft and infrastructure to end before the Air Force begins to receive a new interceptor.


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  1. esaul
    esaul April 15 2013 07: 42
    +8
    The sensible article is laconic and to the point, as far as I can judge, without having the experience and knowledge of Sergei (VAF) in the field of aviation. What, in my opinion, is "good"? The fact that there are problems and tasks that are visible. And once we see, then we will decide.
    1. Civil
      Civil April 15 2013 12: 55
      +5
      I am tormented by vague suspicions that it is impossible to completely resume the production of a miracle of an airplane ... but if you resume it, then seriously updated at a new technological level IMHO
      1. StolzSS
        StolzSS April 15 2013 14: 02
        +9
        You correctly noticed there is no way to resume production, but there is no engine for such a new aircraft, and the Samara plant is diligently collapsing so that it does not raise a new engine ... so it's sad all comrades ....
        1. Simon
          Simon April 15 2013 17: 59
          +4
          Yeah sorry that negative we have not all taken stools yet.
        2. WS
          WS April 15 2013 19: 08
          +4
          A friend from the factory told me that he saw paper a year ago in 2006:
          Due to the large expenditure of funds for the conservation, inspection and storage of equipment for the manufacture of D-30F6, please send this equipment to the AIR. (who knows the topic). According to rumors, then they did not send it all up.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA April 15 2013 19: 31
            +4
            Quote: WS
            who knows what

            Can I explain without conspiracy?
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 April 16 2013 14: 16
              +1
              In an open area, throw in the air, make room.
    2. Su24
      Su24 April 15 2013 18: 20
      +2
      Bondarev said that the Air Force some time ago initiated the development of such an aircraft, and it will appear by 2020. Tentatively until 2028, the Air Force intends to replace the entire fleet of obsolete MiG-31s ​​with a new interceptor.


      Here's something somehow they gather very quickly, judging by our current pace.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 15 2013 19: 32
        +2
        Quote: Su24
        Here's something somehow they gather very quickly, judging by our current pace.

        I'm certainly not special, but I suspect that it will be done on the basis of PAKFA.
        Otherwise, the pace is inexplicable.
        1. mark1
          mark1 April 15 2013 23: 06
          0
          Quote: ATATA
          I'm certainly not special, but I suspect that it will be done on the basis of PAKFA.
          Otherwise, the pace is inexplicable.

          It is possible that on the basis of a double Indian version (we’ll save some money)
  2. Firstvanguard
    Firstvanguard April 15 2013 08: 12
    10
    Beautiful and efficient car. good Sooner to her rest.
    1. Simon
      Simon April 15 2013 18: 02
      +4
      So far, they haven’t produced something new, to treat the protection of borders.
  3. Lissyara
    Lissyara April 15 2013 08: 31
    11 th
    Bullshit, not an article! Order! Actually it was said about something else! Author minus!
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim April 15 2013 13: 26
      +2
      And who ordered?
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 15 2013 16: 11
        -2
        Quote: Vadim Smirnov
        And who ordered?


        The Russian Federation ordered, and bullshit because to strengthen the defenses. He is working out his bread snake ...
        1. Lissyara
          Lissyara April 15 2013 16: 48
          +4
          Smart ass! You read the previous article about the transformation of MiGs in the MiG-31BM.
          The cord itself and the lace. And I attended this meeting.
          And it sounded different.
    2. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 15 2013 19: 34
      +6
      For especially smart!
      Someone wanted just 25, but 54 was knocked out.
      Still minus points to me!
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm April 15 2013 20: 15
        +2
        Quote: LiSSyara
        Someone wanted just 25, but 54 was knocked out.

        And about the development of a new one, I wanted to clarify, will they do it or will it cost to upgrade the Mig-31?
        1. Lissyara
          Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 03
          +4
          The 2030 MiG-31BM will be withdrawn from service.
        2. Lissyara
          Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 13
          +1
          Previous article about MiGs.
  4. TAMERLAN
    TAMERLAN April 15 2013 08: 37
    +9
    when they steal money, they don’t feel sorry for them, but they regret real work — it’s not economically profitable to take all the property and money from the accounts from Serdyukov and his accomplices enough to modernize all planes and airfields
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 15 2013 12: 33
      +2
      ... and himself with his harem - for the development of the New Earth, Let there, b.p.l., breed and multiply.
  5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 15 2013 08: 52
    12
    I liked the article very much. At least there is some clarity on the issue raised.
    Interesting - and who is developing a new interceptor? About TTX I do not even ask, it's useless ...
    I want this one, about :))
    1. Su24
      Su24 April 15 2013 18: 22
      0
      This is generally news about the development of a new interceptor. When was the competition, when did the Air Force put forward demands ??
    2. foxhound
      foxhound 13 May 2013 20: 32
      0
      and I would like a nice instant-31
  6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 15 2013 08: 52
    +1
    I liked the article very much. At least there is some clarity on the issue raised.
    Interesting - and who is developing a new interceptor? About TTX I do not even ask, it's useless ...
    I want this one, about :))
  7. Explore
    Explore April 15 2013 08: 59
    +4
    To retire, of course, early. But the prospects for producing such an old model are highly controversial. It’s better to wait until the designers are replacing him.

    And what Su-35 and Pak fa can not replace it? Isn't it better to have one model of a universal fighter?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 15 2013 09: 12
      +9
      Quote: Explorar
      And what Su-35 and Pak fa can not replace it?

      The question is reasonable.
      Especially considering that the PAKFA has cruising supersonic.
      1. Gregazov
        Gregazov April 15 2013 11: 11
        +7
        MiG -31 interceptor, and long-range. Those. the aircraft is not intended for maneuverable air combat and to overcome air defense. Even the IL-76 in the presence of a launcher and an appropriate REO can be a distant interceptor. The only question is whether he will have time to reach the designated interception area before the enemy uses his weapons.
        1. mark1
          mark1 April 15 2013 11: 20
          +3
          Why not. So to speak, "loitering SAM", ie it should not fly out to intercept, but patrol over some territory along with the A-50, for example. A good addition to the MiG 31. There used to be a Tu-128, and then they wanted to use the Tu-160, before something changed, or maybe they just didn't have time.
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel April 15 2013 12: 37
            +3
            Well, yes, but as the main weapon to push the S-500
            1. Lissyara
              Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 47
              +2
              C-300, C-400, C-500 (under development), c-600
              requires like min. anti-aircraft missile regiment. number of soldiers and officers?
              MiG-31BM is a pilot and weapons control officer.
              Further, on earth, what do we have ... 1 engineer and 2-3 equipment.
              And now for the complexes, how many personnel?
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik April 15 2013 23: 01
                +1
                LiSSyara RU Today, 21:47 ↑ New

                C-300, C-400, C-500 (under development), c-600
                requires like min. anti-aircraft missile regiment. number of soldiers and officers?
                MiG-31BM is a pilot and weapons control officer.
                Further, on earth, what do we have ... 1 engineer and 2-3 equipment.
                And now for the complexes, how many personnel?

                And how much fuel is spent on the flight, what is the cost of fuel? Several hundred sorties a year due to a (potential) intruder, is it worth it? Here is a quote: "The pilots of the fighter aviation regiment (IAP), based in Kamchatka, in 1987 climbed 214 times to intercept real targets, in 1988 - 825 times! The main opponents of the MiG-31 in this area were the SR-71, patrol" Orions "R-3C and RC-135 scouts." http://topwar.ru/26610-mig-31-protiv-sr-71-na-kamchatke.html
                Maybe the air defense system on Ratmanova Island is more economical? Please explain.
                1. Lissyara
                  Lissyara April 16 2013 08: 44
                  +1
                  The game is worth the candle)
                  Kerosin cheapened the nutrition and maintenance of the ZRV division at the time.
        2. ATATA
          ATATA April 15 2013 13: 03
          +2
          Quote: GregAzov
          MiG -31 interceptor, and long-range. Those. aircraft not intended for maneuverable aerial combat

          The question is not the name of the aircraft, but the possibilities.
          The range of PAKFA is greater than that of the Mig-31, max speed is comparable.
          PAKFA's radar is better.
          Long-range missiles both there and there.
          What can not PAX, what can Mig-31?
          Can it just make a PAKFA mod for MIG-31 tasks?
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus April 15 2013 17: 13
            +3
            Quote: ATATA
            Can it just make a PAKFA mod for MIG-31 tasks?

            I think they will do so. There is simply no other way.
          2. Lissyara
            Lissyara April 15 2013 19: 43
            +5
            T-50 will never wear P-37!
            And the speed of the MiG-31BM will not reach!
            These are aircraft for various purposes.
          3. Lissyara
            Lissyara April 15 2013 19: 49
            +7
            This is when the T-50 can accelerate to a speed of 3270 km / h?
            And at the present time with AL engines from Su-35?
            The speed of the MiG-31BM is not limited! Enough engine stock! The trouble is that a glider in the sky will blow.
        3. Su24
          Su24 April 15 2013 18: 35
          0
          Quote: GregAzov
          Even the IL-76 in the presence of a launcher and an appropriate REO can be a distant interceptor. The only question is whether he will have time to reach the designated interception area before the enemy uses his weapons.


          That's it. So for the interceptor, the possibility of a long flight at high speed is very important.
      2. viktorR
        viktorR April 15 2013 14: 25
        0
        At the 31st, cruising is also supersonic and it is much more than one swing, but for the interceptor, the concept of cruising regime is not very relevant in my opinion. Only from the patrol mode to the interception mode will accelerate faster, for long-range interceptions a few tens of seconds are not so important.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 15 2013 16: 01
          +3
          Quote: viktorR
          The 31st cruising is also supersonic and it is much more than one mach

          So in the article it is written that in 31 supersonic sound is limited due to the destruction of the cabin lantern to the same 1 km / h, if it were only in old age, new lanterns would do so. Moreover, the radius of 500 is significantly smaller than that of the PAKFA, and the radius for patrolling is an essential factor in our open spaces.
          I'm certainly not special, but it seems that on the basis of PAKFA in the end they will imprison new interceptors. Everything is cheaper than brand new design.
          IMHO
      3. Lissyara
        Lissyara April 15 2013 19: 46
        +5
        Answer!
        Catch up on the Su-35СМ or ​​Т-50 target at an altitude of 24000 m.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus April 15 2013 20: 13
          0
          Quote: LiSSyara
          Answer!
          Catch up on the Su-35СМ or ​​Т-50 target at an altitude of 24000 m.

          Do you propose making a new clean high-altitude, high-speed interceptor to replace the Mig-31?
          In the current economic realities, this is pure utopia.
          And then it is not clear what goals of those that are not able to "catch up" PAK FA are you going to "catch up" at an altitude of 24 km? Especially considering all the real, not tabular, speed and range limits for the MiG-31.
          1. Lissyara
            Lissyara April 15 2013 20: 36
            +1
            Grab the target at an altitude of 56 km. With Su-27, with Su-30 al MiG-29.
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus April 15 2013 21: 04
              +3
              Quote: LiSSyara
              Grab the target at an altitude of 56 km. With Su-27, with Su-30 al MiG-29.

              And why not 128 km? smile What strange fantasies do you have? What goals did you intend to intercept at such heights?
              If you are talking about the anti-satellite experimental modification Mig-31D, then this was an interesting, promising topic. But this is a separate, special modification.
              To the question of what to be the new main interceptor, this has nothing to do.
              1. Lissyara
                Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 13
                +4
                Odysseus!
                Are you up to date with the story when the P-33 shot down the MiN 31 in Sagan? With an excess of 11 km? When did she know how to fly maximum on 6?
                I actually gave the air defense aviation 26 years. And the title I have not been Lieutenant Rzhevsky for a long time.
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus April 15 2013 21: 58
                  0
                  Quote: LiSSyara
                  Are you up to date with the story when the P-33 shot down the MiN 31 in Sagan? With an excess of 11 km? When did she know how to fly maximum on 6?

                  I know.
                  Quote: LiSSyara
                  I actually gave the air defense aviation 26 years. And the title I have not been Lieutenant Rzhevsky for a long time.

                  I have no doubt. But I don’t understand what you are offering. Mig-31 is a wonderful aircraft, it needs to be modernized, it’s understandable.
                  But with your new aircraft your suggestions are not clear. Do you think that you need to make a new high-altitude, high-speed fighter-interceptor?
            2. Lissyara
              Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 07
              +1
              But is it that India invested 48% in T-50?
              And on my fifty rubles 58%?
              And I still pay officers a salary, and they received apartments?
          2. Lissyara
            Lissyara April 16 2013 08: 51
            0
            I do not offer.
            Let's remember the B-52 and Tu-95.
            How many of these aircraft are in service? In options B-52D and Tu-95MS?
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus April 16 2013 19: 20
              0
              Quote: LiSSyara
              Tu-95MS

              Since the early eighties.
              Quote: LiSSyara
              B-52d

              It’s decommissioned. It’s like the B-52H-c of the sixties.
              Quote: LiSSyara
              I do not offer.

              With the need to upgrade / extend the life of the Mig-31, I completely agree.
              Sorry, did not understand you.
  8. Concept1
    Concept1 April 15 2013 09: 00
    +3
    As the author did not try to distort Parliamentary hearings on the future of the MiG-31 in my opinion everything is clear, further modernization of those in service 31 with an extension of the life of 10-15 years. At the same time, create a new interceptor. Is there any other way ?!
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 15 2013 09: 33
      +3
      And most importantly, modernization all available cars (252 units on Wiki). The northern direction needs to be covered urgently
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 15 2013 16: 26
        +1
        yeah, given that we have a hole in the air defense in the Far East.
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 15 2013 17: 14
        +2
        Quote: mark1
        And what is especially important is the modernization of all available cars (252 units on Wiki). The northern direction needs to be covered urgently

        You need to upgrade. But here 252 cars, alas, have long been gone.
  9. iulai
    iulai April 15 2013 09: 11
    +3
    And can these parliamentarians solve such a serious issue? I do not believe !
  10. evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 15 2013 09: 30
    0
    Hello everyone! MiG-31 legend! To create a new plane, you need a new engine belay in general it is a long time, but it is necessary to start, the 31st will still serve.
  11. evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 15 2013 09: 30
    +6
    Hello everyone! MiG-31 legend! To create a new aircraft, you need a new engine, in general it is long and troublesome (although to resume production of the 31st too), but you need to start creating a new one, and for the time being the 31st will still serve.
  12. Canep
    Canep April 15 2013 09: 31
    +4
    Upgrade existing aircraft in the formation (also those that did not have time to cut back into operation) and restore the flight resource. And by itself develop a new interceptor (high-speed and high-altitude). In general, the development of new machines should never stop.
  13. Canep
    Canep April 15 2013 09: 31
    0
    Upgrade existing aircraft in the formation (also those that did not have time to cut back into operation) and restore the flight resource. And by itself develop a new interceptor (high-speed and high-altitude). In general, the development of new machines should never stop.
  14. albert
    albert April 15 2013 09: 32
    +1
    It will take a lot of time until they make a new interceptor. And the planes need now. I think all these statements about the development of a new interceptor are just a way to dough. The new aircraft in a couple of years you won’t be able to launch into mass production as when the delivery dates are constantly breaking down.
    1. Alejandro
      Alejandro April 15 2013 15: 17
      +1
      TECH SPECS
      MiG 1.44
      Crew: 1 people
      Length: 19,0 m
      Wingspan: 15,0 m
      Height: 6,0 m
      Weight:
      empty: 18000 kg
      normal take-off weight: 28000 kg
      maximum take-off weight: 38000 kg
      Engine:
      Engine type: turbojet dual circuit with afterburner and thrust vector control
      Model: "AL-41F"
      Link:
      afterburner: 2 × 18000 kg
      Top speed at height: 3185 km / h
      Maximum speed at the ground: 1500 km / h
      Practical range: 4000 km
      Service ceiling: 20000 m
      EPR: less than 0,3 m²
      weaponry
      Cannon: 30 Built mm gun GSH-30-1
      Combat load: up to 12000 kg
      for air combat, in the weapons bays: 12 × P-77 or P-74
      against ground targets, in weapons bays: 2 × X-55, X-61, X-41, or 8 × X-29, X-31, or 12 × CAB-500, ODAB-500
      Suspension points:
      Internal: 12
      External: 8
      Quote: albert
      It will take a lot of time until they make a new interceptor. But the planes need now. I think all these statements about the development of a new interceptor are just a way to drink the dough. You won’t be able to launch a new airplane in a couple of years
      The plane is ready. Bring to mind and to the declared characteristics and what is not a replacement.
      1. Su24
        Su24 April 15 2013 18: 58
        +1
        Quote: Alejandro
        The plane is ready. Bring to mind and to the declared characteristics and what is not a replacement.


        He’s not ready for anything, the only flight instance has been gathering dust since 2000. And the TTX you took from Wikipedia is largely fiction. And, by the way, the thrust of AL-41F is only 15500 kg * s, and the R-74 missile does not exist.
        1. Alejandro
          Alejandro April 15 2013 22: 31
          0
          Quote: Su24
          And the TTX you took from Wikipedia is largely fiction

          And I do not argue with that. I wanted to say a little about something else: There is a basis for creating an air defense fighter. A prototype has been created. A lot of work has already been done. To test it and, taking into account the information received, modify it to the tasks of a pure interceptor. If in the principle it is possible, then it is faster and easier than creating from scratch.
  15. Lee
    Lee April 15 2013 09: 40
    +6
    What nonsense. MiG-29, Su-27, F-15, F-16, F / A-18 are not outdated (they are being modernized and continue to be produced), and the MiG-31, their peer, is outdated! Well, for 20 years it has not been produced or modernized.
    In the context of comparing old and new cars, as well as their characteristics, the Air Force Commander remembered the American reconnaissance aircraft Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. It is still the fastest production aircraft in the world, but has long been withdrawn from service. The reason is its general moral and technical obsolescence, which completely eliminates all the advantages of speed.

    The SR-71 was deprecated because the need to use it was lost due to the advent of more advanced reconnaissance satellites.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik April 15 2013 12: 50
      +1
      I generally smile at such GLAVkomoff :-) Compares (from the rostrum!) A clean reconnaissance aircraft with an interceptor fighter. Yes, yes, comrade will go far!
      1. Cynic
        Cynic April 15 2013 17: 30
        +3
        Quote: shpuntik
        Compares (from the rostrum!)

        Very flattering characterizes the hall in front of the podium.
        bully
      2. Su24
        Su24 April 15 2013 18: 33
        +1
        Quote: shpuntik
        I generally smile at such GLAVkomoff :-) Compares (from the rostrum!) A clean reconnaissance aircraft with an interceptor fighter. Yes, yes, comrade will go far!


        You are a troll and do not understand anything. Bondarev gave an example of a unique aircraft, which, however, was withdrawn from service.
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik April 15 2013 21: 06
          0
          Su24 Today, 18:33 ↑
          You are a troll and do not understand anything.

          Respected! If you understand everything, then explain these statements of Bondarev: "In order to modernize the fighter, in particular, it will have to replace navigation equipment and weapons systems. RIA Novosti reports that Bondarev estimated the development work at 25 billion rubles (Interfax cites the amount of 50 billion rubles)." http://topwar.ru/26688-modernizaciyu-istrebiteley-mig-31-ocenili-v-50-milliardov
          -rubley.html

          We are talking about all 190 units. At the same time, the MiG-31BM just started to enter the troops, the program is 60 units. until 2020. Money has already been budgeted. Are they MiG-31BM that are already outdated? What are the development work of 25 billion ?!
          As long as there is no evidence base on "stooltkin", I will argue that these statements by the Air Force Commander-in-Chief are not speaking on their own behalf, but are voiced by someone else. (To put it mildly. I will not be clear.) Oh, here's another passage: "Bondarev emphasized that it is more expedient to invest in the construction of a perfect new aircraft, which will be" two to three times better than the MiG-31. " It was he who trolled you, not me. :-)
          Well, the last. As for the SR-71: it is not morally obsolete, but completely, abundantly completed its program. If the SR-71 could be shot down over Vietnam, it would be shot down. He was not shot down, so he flew where he wanted to. Since 1966 MiG 31 began to work in 1981. Count: 15 years of safe flights 30 SR-71. There is no need to be a great analyst to understand the amount of work done.
          And the satellites came to replace him. Therefore, the comparison with the MiG-31 is not correct.
          PS The word "troll" and "... did not understand anything" is almost the opposite of bully If it’s also in fashion, then do not throw it like a child ...
    2. Su24
      Su24 April 15 2013 18: 55
      -1
      Quote: LEE
      What nonsense. MiG-29, Su-27, F-15, F-16, F / A-18 are not outdated (they are being modernized and continue to be produced), and the MiG-31, their peer, is outdated! Well, for 20 years it has not been produced or modernized.


      That's why the resumption of its production is problematic, it is better to develop a new aircraft, modernizing the existing ones.
      1. Lee
        Lee April 15 2013 21: 51
        +3
        Quote: Su24
        That's why the resumption of its production is problematic, it is better to develop a new aircraft, modernizing the existing ones.

        First, to create an aircraft "from scratch" in modern conditions is a difficult task and, most importantly, a long one, 2020 is a utopia.
        Secondly, the creation of a completely new aircraft is not required, the MiG-31 in flight performance is fully consistent with modern requirements.
        Resuming production is an order of magnitude simpler than creating and launching a completely new machine in the series; moreover, you need to produce not an airplane of the late 70s model, but an improved version of it.
        A good example of the IL-476 is the new engines, avionics, wing, the old 76th recreated at a new level.
        1. foxhound
          foxhound 7 June 2013 17: 01
          0
          if you look at the MiG-31 - in some ways, it resembles the f-22. so you're right. if you change avionics, we get a Russian answer to the American question.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 7 June 2013 19: 38
            0
            Original, more than original!
            As far as I remember, the Yusovites took care of the raptor when the 31st was adopted!
            And that was the year 1981!
            In a series he went in twenty years!
  16. Lee
    Lee April 15 2013 09: 40
    0
    What nonsense. MiG-29, Su-27, F-15, F-16, F / A-18 are not outdated (they are being modernized and continue to be produced), and the MiG-31, their peer, is outdated! Well, for 20 years it has not been produced or modernized.
    In the context of comparing old and new cars, as well as their characteristics, the Air Force Commander remembered the American reconnaissance aircraft Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. It is still the fastest production aircraft in the world, but has long been withdrawn from service. The reason is its general moral and technical obsolescence, which completely eliminates all the advantages of speed.

    The SR-71 was deprecated because the need to use it was lost due to the advent of more advanced reconnaissance satellites.
  17. engineer74
    engineer74 April 15 2013 10: 10
    +5
    To restore, or rather to create anew, the production of the Mig-31 makes sense under the following conditions: shovel technology to reduce production costs to 1/4 of the Su-35; produce a large series of 500-1000pcs. ; to equip a large percentage (10-20) with air-space missiles (Mig-31D); develop ground infrastructure (network of air bases); production of DRLOiU aircraft in the required quantity (which does not warp the less advanced avionics)
    In other options, there will again be money down the drain. IMHO
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 15 2013 10: 36
      +2
      The first two points in the current conditions are not very realistic, and with the remaining 3 I completely agree.
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 April 15 2013 10: 51
        +1
        It all depends on the statement of the problem, what do we want? Provide reliable air defense throughout the country or technological leadership? Ideally, you need both, but it may stupidly run out of time or money. smile
        1. mark1
          mark1 April 15 2013 11: 01
          0
          And I agree with that. The misfortunes in our leadership in the head the correct vector has developed, and not confusion of thoughts and thoughts.
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 April 15 2013 11: 13
            +2
            I will add that the experience of mastering the mass and cheap production of such products (gliders and engines) will give many bonuses to the entire industry and civil aviation in particular.
            1. mark1
              mark1 April 15 2013 11: 33
              +3
              Civil aircraft industry is a separate sad song. There is no way to understand without the FSB
            2. Tommygun
              Tommygun April 18 2013 16: 54
              +1
              I also believe that now the release of the engine-glider-avionics system would be extremely important for manufacturers. And then on what we will release so shockingly developed (for 2020)? Or will we extrude 2-3 pcs / g with a huge percentage of marriage?
        2. vadson
          vadson April 15 2013 19: 31
          +3
          Quote: engineer74
          It all depends on the statement of the problem, what do we want? Provide reliable air defense throughout the country or technological leadership? Ideally, you need both, but it may stupidly run out of time or money. smile

          our grandmothers are dead weight in offshore and amer bonds, there are enough for the whole series of f35 (as a scale), there is no money in bulk of the state’s will or eggs
  18. awg75
    awg75 April 15 2013 10: 33
    +1
    until a new one appears it is necessary to produce the mig-31 - no one in the world has done better yet
  19. explorer
    explorer April 15 2013 10: 36
    +1
    Development, testing and development will take several years, but as a result, the Russian Air Force will receive a completely new aircraft, the combat potential of which will be significantly higher than the latest versions of the MiG-31. It is extremely interesting that the creation of a new interceptor has already begun. Bondarev said that the Air Force some time ago initiated the development of such an aircraft, and it will appear by 2020. Tentatively until 2028, the Air Force intends to replace the entire fleet of obsolete MiG-31s ​​with a new interceptor.
    And let the whole world wait! yes
    But who will answer the question: what will remain of the existing MiG-31 by 2020?
  20. explorer
    explorer April 15 2013 10: 36
    0
    Development, testing and development will take several years, but as a result, the Russian Air Force will receive a completely new aircraft, the combat potential of which will be significantly higher than the latest versions of the MiG-31. It is extremely interesting that the creation of a new interceptor has already begun. Bondarev said that the Air Force some time ago initiated the development of such an aircraft, and it will appear by 2020. Tentatively until 2028, the Air Force intends to replace the entire fleet of obsolete MiG-31s ​​with a new interceptor.
    And let the whole world wait! yes
    But who will answer the question: what will remain of the existing MiG-31 by 2020?
    1. smirnov
      smirnov April 15 2013 12: 58
      0
      Unfortunately, the words: "Development, testing and fine-tuning will take several years" for some reason is hard to believe ... Our thieves only need money and the result? the result will wait ...
  21. AndreyAB
    AndreyAB April 15 2013 10: 39
    +1
    With us, as always, the minister saves on matches and ends up profiting billions, and as long as there is no new interceptor, it may be necessary to produce the Mig-31, the new machine will appear so smoothly and the replacement will go, otherwise it will be new and the modernized old one will be released, Yes, and with the modern approach to building planes for 2-3 cars a year (in Soviet times, replaced with shelves), then the release of the upgraded Mig-31 is a way out.
  22. AlNick
    AlNick April 15 2013 11: 14
    10
    MiG-31 is an aircraft designed specifically for intercepting and destroying air targets. This is the same specific narrowly specialized aircraft that the Tu-128, Su-15 (TM), MiG-23P, and MiG-25P were at one time. Do not confuse them with all kinds of modifications P, B, RB, BN, etc. Each has its own task. At the interceptor - to intercept and destroy, and not to bomb and conduct a maneuverable air battle. An exception is possible, in my memory it is only the MiG-23ML (MLD), but it was created as a multi-role fighter.
    In the 80s of the last century, during the reorganization of air defense aircraft, air defense units, armed with Su-15TM, ​​were already transferred to the Air Force. They tried to force fighter-interceptors to conduct maneuverable air battles and to bomb. Of course there was no particular sense. Horseradish is not added to jelly.
    In the late 90s, the then Air Force leadership did not like the numerous modifications of the Su-17M (MR), MiG-27, and MiG-23MLD fighters. That left without fighter-bombers and scouts. And the last production MiG-23MLD with the R-35-300 were not the worst among the fighters.
    At that time, most of the regiments, which were armed with the MiG-31, were reduced, the remaining ones pulled off mainly the MiG-31DZ, B, BS, and the simple ones to the storage base in Lipetsk.
    What remains - Akhtubinsk, Kansk, Monchegorsk, Perm, Yelizovo, Savasleika, Central Corner, ??? Hotilovo and the storage base in Lipetsk. Kazakhs have about 40 MiG-31s ​​as part of the 356th IAP to the airfield of Karaganda.

    The plane has problems, but they can be solved, especially with deep modernization. Bondarev’s statements that the elemental base of the aircraft is very outdated and his arguments about the superiority of Sukhoi’s aircraft are babbled by a man who did not lift anything heavier than the Su-25. The development of a new fighter-interceptor is certainly good, but it would not work as with the Superjet. There is a lot of chatter, but little sense, again Poghosyan’s projections.
    Indeed, according to the combat capabilities of the MiG-31, there are still no analogues anywhere in the world. As an interceptor, it can act alone, but its MAIN PURPOSE is to work in groups of four aircraft under the command of a leading aircraft, while the exchange of information between them and the ground-based automatic control system is automatic, and all tasks related to finding targets and coordination groups are solved by airborne means, constantly receiving information from the ground and interacting in a group of interceptors. In addition, a group of aircraft can operate without the aid of the earth, exercising control over the protected vast air corridor. This is an A-50 in miniature.
    And the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird strategic high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft was withdrawn from service for a completely different reason, it’s just that the satellites are more reliable and missiles are missing.
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 15 2013 11: 49
      +2
      About 31 pieces of MiG-500 were released to the entire USSR, so if we restore the existing ones + buy from Kazakhstan (300 in total) will be enough. We must go forward, even if we have problems with command and industry, the old tends to become obsolete even more
      1. Kasym
        Kasym April 15 2013 16: 42
        +4
        No, Mark1! Good day to all! Kazakhstan itself is ready to replenish the fleet of military, and not only aircraft! Due to the fact that Russia does not have, for example, a series of transporters (IL-476 only for testing), it was necessary to bury the S-296 in the USA (I do not remember the exact numbering). This year they will deliver 6 pieces. Where is this good for? We are waiting for the MiG-35 series, we are ready to buy from 40 to 90 pieces. And because of the engines, our MiG-31s ​​are mostly, as far as I know, worth. We, too, would not be upset to modernize them in full.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 15 2013 16: 59
          +1
          But our beauties.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym April 15 2013 17: 04
          +7
          And here are our beauties.
        3. Kasym
          Kasym April 15 2013 17: 04
          +3
          And here are our beauties.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym April 15 2013 17: 10
            +3
            Y us almost all aircraft modernized, except for the MiG-31. Pay attention.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym April 15 2013 17: 11
              +3
              And here is the MiG-29.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym April 15 2013 17: 16
                +2
                And here is the L-39. What a painting. Dysha is happy.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 15 2013 17: 19
                  +4
                  And here are our helicopters.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym April 15 2013 17: 21
                    +2
                    And here are our rooks.
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 15 2013 17: 23
                      +2
                      And here is our MiG-23.
                      1. Kasym
                        Kasym April 15 2013 17: 25
                        +2
                        And here, against the backdrop of the mountains, a cool photo.
                      2. Andrey Yuryevich
                        Andrey Yuryevich April 17 2013 09: 49
                        +1
                        the color is completely insane .... in our GSVG they were in front-line camouflage ... but the su24 came in gray ..
                2. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm April 15 2013 20: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: Kasym
                  And here is the L-39. What a painting. Dysha is happy.

                  Do not be offended in earnest. Ukrainians probably painted.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym April 15 2013 21: 04
                    +6
                    Michael, good evening! Сy-27 y you are in Belarus. MiG-29 in the Ukraine. Even the VAF noted: "Only some private companies allow themselves to use such modern painting, and you even paint combat aircraft."
                    And here's another dug. Kazakhstan every year modernizes from 7 to 10% of its military equipment. And also Kazakhstan is considering the intention of purchasing for its air forces: Sy-34, Cy-30 (or 35), Yak-130, MiG-35, and in the long term PAK FA T-50, as well as in connection with a large territory of AWACS aircraft in quantity 4-5 pcs. As well as S-400, Pantsir. In the near future Byratino TOS-1, BMPT "Terminator" on the basis of the existing T-72, which are on storage in the Republic of Kazakhstan, the issue of which has been practically resolved and is being coordinated with Russia.
                    Sincerely.
            2. Odysseus
              Odysseus April 15 2013 17: 34
              +2
              Are you 27th alive? belay
              They are like in Taldy-Kurgan in storage without movement?
              1. Kasym
                Kasym April 15 2013 17: 46
                +6
                hi Alive and fly. And the MiG-23 and MiG-27. From the 3rd generation, everything is in order. In Taldy-Kurgan, only the MiG-21 remained in storage (60 pieces). The rest is modernized and in order. There is a problem with transporters, as I already wrote. Another Mi-6 20 pieces are. Russia we are upgrading them one by one per year. The third board went. Ny where it suits! They offered us modernization - yes, there. Maybe now, with the creation of the CU and the new Union, things will move. We are being repaired at the 405 plant in Alma-Ata Mi-8, they say they are fully loaded, even the Afghan ones are repaired.
                Sincerely, Dayren. drinks
                PS They also bought Mi-17s. But when the supply starts I don’t know.
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus April 15 2013 18: 25
                  +4
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Alive and fly. And the MiG-23 and MiG-27. From the 3rd generation everything is in order

                  Well, you are great! You can’t even believe it. And did you have Mig-29 9-12,9-13 or were they being developed?
                  We have flight fit 9-12,9-13 left the cat cried crying
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym April 15 2013 19: 17
                    +4
                    Honestly, I don’t even know. I know that they stood in Lygovoy (Dzhambyl region). I was there at the airfield (DMB-89), then after the collapse they were surpassed in Nikolaevka. Modernization went, like someone wrote, in the Ukraine. Now I'm digging, maybe I'm digging it out. Additionally reported. And the Sy-27 in Belarus was modernized.
                    Sincerely.
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym April 15 2013 20: 40
                      +3
                      That's what digging. Сy-27s have been modernized and are being upgraded to Сy-27М2 and Сy-27YБМ2 in Baranovichi (Belarus). MiG-29 in Lviv: the changes affected the complex of electronics, hydraulic systems and engines, medium-range missiles R-27 and melee R-73 with improved performance characteristics were used in armaments. And what kind of 9-12 or 9-13 do not know? Maybe this infar. telling you something? Write, if you know - I'm most interested. The modernized ones started to start in 2009.
                      1. Odysseus
                        Odysseus April 15 2013 22: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Kasym
                        And what kind of 9-12 or 9-13 do not know?

                        If in Lugovoi, then 9-12.
                        Quote: Kasym
                        MiG-29 in Lviv: changes were made to the electronics, hydraulic system and engine complex; the armament uses R-27 medium-range missiles and R-73 melee missiles with improved performance characteristics

                        I will not say anything bad about LAZ, but I doubt that they did any deep modernization. Rather, it's just a repair.
                        Although everything can be))
                      2. Kasym
                        Kasym April 15 2013 23: 21
                        +5
                        Odyssey, thanks! We also received MiG-29s from Russia in exchange for the DA Ty-95 and Ty-22 aircraft, which we all transferred along with the nuclear weapon. More than 20 pcs. I read about Lviv from a Ukrainian site.
                        In fact, until 1998, virtually all aviation was mothballed. There were no pilots, not even jet fuel, and the cat burst into tears. And then went the growth of the economy. And the movement began. For the first time, even pilots from Russia were invited. And now we teach in Aktyubinsk and in Russia. And gradually they began to put aviation on the wing. Now the flight time of our pilots has reached 100-150 hours per year. I do not know whether it is a lot or a little. The same MiG-29 and Sy-27 are distributed at 4 military airfields. The same MiG-23 and MiG-27 left 120 pieces, the rest can not be restored. MiG-31 2 returned from repair (modernization), and 1 was sent at the end of the year. I was wrong when I wrote that everything is modernized. The program began in 2007-2008. And on the Sy-27 and even earlier. Now up to 10% of all aviation is repaired or modernized per year. Ours even organized their aerobatic team on the Sy-27 in Taldy-Kurgan.
                        Sincerely, Dayren.
          2. foxhound
            foxhound 18 May 2013 17: 15
            0
            we have all modernized accepted except for the MiG-31M
      2. Kasym
        Kasym April 15 2013 17: 05
        +1
        And here are our beauties.
      3. Kasym
        Kasym April 15 2013 17: 06
        +1
        And here are our beauties.
      4. mark1
        mark1 April 15 2013 18: 28
        +3
        Well there is no way. It's nice to hear that your Air Force is on the rise, which means that the south and east are under reliable protection. Well, for us, then we need to modernize the remaining pieces of 200-250 and cover the north and east.
  23. w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g April 15 2013 13: 01
    +4
    AlNick, I completely agree with you.
    especially at the expense of Poghosyan)))
  24. Avenger711
    Avenger711 April 15 2013 13: 15
    -1
    All bomber planes 2-3 were withdrawn from service in the 93rd, which minus the MiG-27 and the last Su-17s, in general, is quite logical, since the newest and then not worn out MiG-29s and Su-27s it was to hell.
  • AlNick
    AlNick April 15 2013 11: 15
    0
    MiG-31 is an aircraft designed specifically for intercepting and destroying air targets. This is the same specific narrowly specialized aircraft that the Tu-128, Su-15 (TM), MiG-23P, and MiG-25P were at one time. Do not confuse them with all kinds of modifications P, B, RB, BN, etc. Each has its own task. At the interceptor - to intercept and destroy, and not to bomb and conduct a maneuverable air battle. An exception is possible, in my memory it is only the MiG-23ML (MLD), but it was created as a multi-role fighter.
    In the 80s of the last century, during the reorganization of air defense aircraft, air defense units, armed with Su-15TM, ​​were already transferred to the Air Force. They tried to force fighter-interceptors to conduct maneuverable air battles and to bomb. Of course there was no particular sense. Horseradish is not added to jelly.
    In the late 90s, the then Air Force leadership did not like the numerous modifications of the Su-17M (MR), MiG-27, and MiG-23MLD fighters. That left without fighter-bombers and scouts. And the last production MiG-23MLD with the R-35-300 were not the worst among the fighters.
    At that time, most of the regiments, which were armed with the MiG-31, were reduced, the remaining ones pulled off mainly the MiG-31DZ, B, BS, and the simple ones to the storage base in Lipetsk.
    What remains - Akhtubinsk, Kansk, Monchegorsk, Perm, Yelizovo, Savasleika, Central Corner, ??? Hotilovo and the storage base in Lipetsk. Kazakhs have about 40 MiG-31s ​​as part of the 356th IAP to the airfield of Karaganda.

    The plane has problems, but they can be solved, especially with deep modernization. Bondarev’s statements that the elemental base of the aircraft is very outdated and his arguments about the superiority of Sukhoi’s aircraft are babbled by a man who did not lift anything heavier than the Su-25. The development of a new fighter-interceptor is certainly good, but it would not work as with the Superjet. There is a lot of chatter, but little sense, again Poghosyan’s projections.
    Indeed, according to the combat capabilities of the MiG-31, there are still no analogues anywhere in the world. As an interceptor, it can act alone, but its MAIN PURPOSE is to work in groups of four aircraft under the command of a leading aircraft, while the exchange of information between them and the ground-based automatic control system is automatic, and all tasks related to finding targets and coordination groups are solved by airborne means, constantly receiving information from the ground and interacting in a group of interceptors. In addition, a group of aircraft can operate without the aid of the earth, exercising control over the protected vast air corridor. This is an A-50 in miniature.
    And the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird strategic high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft was withdrawn from service for a completely different reason, it’s just that the satellites are more reliable and missiles are missing.
    MiG-31B 712 Guards IAP (Kansk)
  • Dimani
    Dimani April 15 2013 11: 23
    0
    And why in the photo is the rear landing gear of the aircraft dual, and the other single?
    1. Canep
      Canep April 15 2013 11: 26
      +4
      The second is also dual, just the far wheel is closed by the neighbor, It has a cunning arrangement of the wheels of the main chassis.
  • engineer74
    engineer74 April 15 2013 11: 45
    +3
    Does anyone know why the State Duma was so preoccupied with the Mig-31, and not the A-50 or An-2, for example? American drones over Okhotny next scared or something ....
    1. Warchief
      Warchief April 15 2013 11: 48
      15 th
      It’s easier to cut the budget on what is not needed and what has no tasks. MiG-31 (and 29/35) is ideally suited for this role.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 15 2013 17: 17
        +7
        Quote: Warchief
        It’s easier to cut the budget on what is not needed and what has no tasks. MiG-31 (and 29/35) is ideally suited for this role

        You changed your nickname again
        Yes, how much can laughing
        1. Warchief
          Warchief April 15 2013 20: 51
          -2
          Quote: Odyssey
          You changed your nickname again

          You are confusing something.
      2. ultra
        ultra April 15 2013 22: 07
        +3
        Quote: Warchief
        It’s easier to cut the budget on what is not needed and what has no tasks. MiG-31 (and 29/35) is ideally suited for this role.
        Is it your form of MAZOCHISM? I sincerely sympathize! hi
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov April 15 2013 12: 19
      +6
      Pecking roasted cock - DV empty, 7 aircraft in Kamchatka ...
  • MAG
    MAG April 15 2013 11: 48
    +2
    You all write about the pluses and minuses of the plane, but the trouble is that the engines have not been made on it for 15 years, they are doing overhauls and that's it! Taking into account that the Aviadvigatel plant will be "modernized", there will be no engines and therefore no aircraft !!!
    1. biglow
      biglow April 15 2013 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: MAG
      You all write about the pluses and minuses of the plane, but the trouble is that the engines have not been made on it for 15 years, they are doing overhauls and that's it! Taking into account that the Aviadvigatel plant will be "modernized", there will be no engines and therefore no aircraft !!!

      It was reported that there are 1000 (1 thousand) pieces in storage, so there is a reserve for both capital and new aircraft
      1. foxhound
        foxhound 7 June 2013 16: 54
        0
        tell me in which city I’ll go there after the end of the world.
  • MAG
    MAG April 15 2013 11: 48
    +1
    You all write about the pluses and minuses of the plane, but the trouble is that the engines have not been made on it for 15 years, they are doing overhauls and that's it! Taking into account that the Aviadvigatel plant will be "modernized", there will be no engines and therefore no aircraft !!!
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik April 15 2013 12: 19
    +2
    Lieutenant General Bondarev wants to build a new plane in seven years. A strange man: the MiG-31 was put into service in 1981, and the engine for it (D-30F6) began to be made in 1953, the technical assignment 1970. Total 11 years of clean, and in fact more than 20. And this is with the party system control, when any boss could get the "cap".
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 15 2013 12: 45
      0
      Of the three people who kept the Air Force and Air Defense aircraft at the helm, I can list:
      Savitsky Evgeny Yakovlevich
      Efimov Alexander Nikolaevich
      Shaposhnikov Evgeny Ivanovich
      Deinekin Peter Stepanovich
      and Alexander Ivanovich Pokryshkin
  • Lissyara
    Lissyara April 15 2013 12: 38
    +1
    Namesake, explain to the people, if you appear!
    Tired of arguing on these topics and breaking through the walls with my forehead.
    And on he ... ra, did I return to the army?)))
    1. Belo_biletnik
      Belo_biletnik April 15 2013 17: 42
      0
      And what was really discussed then. You can in PM if you want.
  • Lissyara
    Lissyara April 15 2013 12: 38
    0
    Namesake, explain to the people, if you appear!
    Tired of arguing on these topics and breaking through the walls with my forehead.
    And on he ... ra, did I return to the army?)))
  • albatross
    albatross April 15 2013 13: 22
    +2
    Instead of the Mig-31 another plane? What characteristics? Speed? Will it be faster? If so, then what? Are there any new engines? If the lamp is cracking, try to make a new one, especially now what materials do you want ...
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 15 2013 13: 22
    +2
    Upgrade all MIG-31 to the maximum while holding the glider.
    It is better to PAK DA provide for a modification that allows you to carry long-range radars and air-to-air missiles. Use the T-50's potential to the maximum.
    It is very expensive to restore the production of MIG-31, plus it is necessary to upgrade, and there is enough money again to release a miserable 50 pieces, well, why bother with the garden, plus they’ll cut money for this business again, and the output will be zilch.
    It is better to invest this money in promising drones.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik April 15 2013 14: 37
      +4
      I totally agree! Modernize MIGs, and make a patrolling drone for patrolling, even if with one air-to-air missile. Then the desire to fly even close will disappear. If you hit someone inadvertently, you can always say: "Sorry, it's a robot." :-)
  • Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear April 15 2013 13: 31
    +1
    let a beautiful airplane be modernized and create a new interceptor
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 15 2013 14: 03
      +1
      And eat fish and sit on x? If it were so simple, there would be no article.
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 15 2013 13: 32
    +1
    Meeting in the village on improving the financial situation. All rural people gathered. Well started and one says:
    - People, let’s get some cows, they will give milk, we will sell it, there will be profit.
    Everyone in the audience picked up, they say, yes, let's. Someone from the last rows screams:
    - A fuck * we need it ?!
    Everyone picked it up again, yes, why. Well, man starts again:
    - People, let’s buy a new combine, it will collect more, profit - IN!
    The whole hall:
    - Come on, great!
    And again, from the last rows, someone:
    - A fuck * we need him ?!
    Everything in the audience is behind him again, yes, they say, why.
    And then the man can’t stand it and says to him:
    - Yes, you are sick of it, you sit there screaming, but you yourself do not offer anything!
    He replies:
    “Well, why.” Let's buy a huge balloon, inflate it and let it go to the sky.
    Everyone in the room was slandered, and one man asked:
    - Why let it go?
    - A fuck * we need him ?!
  • Fraid
    Fraid April 15 2013 14: 24
    0

    This money will be more profitable to invest in the creation of a new long-range interceptor. Development, testing and development will take several years, but as a result, the Russian Air Force will receive a completely new aircraft, the combat potential of which will be significantly higher! The creation of a new interceptor has already begun. The Air Force some time ago initiated the development of such an aircraft, and it will appear by 2020.


    All true.
    Sukhoi Design Bureau is now engaged in aircraft 4 ++ and 5 generations, Su35s and T-50.
    What does the Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau do against its background? request
    In my opinion, the MiGs themselves are interested in keeping up.
    The development of a new generation of machines is their primary task to this day.
    Plus, the country is waiting!
    1. Warchief
      Warchief April 15 2013 14: 37
      -5
      Quote: Fraid
      The development of a new generation of machines is their primary task to this day.

      Go and have no one to cut. Two and a half grandfathers and a student in practice will not do the weather.
    2. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri April 15 2013 15: 28
      +4
      It seems that the Sukhoi Design Bureau is crushing the entire industry for itself, it seems that it wants to be a monopolist like a Boeing. It is clear that the Sukhoi and Mikoyan Design Bureau are long-standing rivals, but each one still has its own segment. The existence of two design bureaus is determined by the need to implement the principle as old as the world: divide and conquer. Moreover, this gives rise to healthy competition, which in turn allows for the implementation of a fair pricing policy (simply because an attempt to raise the price means, in fact, giving an order to a competitor) and creating a variety of engineering and technical solutions that are implemented in various areas of the industry. I do not argue that Sukhoi Design Bureau could find an alternative to both the MIG-31 and MIG-29, but this would have cost the diversion of a large number of specialists from the development, for example, of the 5-generation fighter, which is still a higher priority than replacing 4 generation fighters similar in spirit and form to them, but only on the basis of another design bureau. Moreover, I believe that Sukhoi’s engineers are already overloaded with unnecessary developments (of the same duper Jet) that other design bureaus, for example, Tupolev, could easily handle.
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 15 2013 17: 20
      +4
      Quote: Fraid
      What does the Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau do against its background?

      There has long been no separate Mikoyan design bureau. There is a UAC office named after Poghosyan.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 April 15 2013 22: 34
        +1
        Here they are "extinguished" and will not allow the MiG-31 to be brought into a decent modern look!
  • P-15
    P-15 April 15 2013 15: 10
    +3
    I do not know the truth or not, but as the flyers said from the neighboring airfield, the 6 MIG-31 is able to completely control the airspace of such a state as Israel.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym April 15 2013 17: 41
      +3
      There, it seems to me, and 4 is enough. I read that 4 planes will close the front of 600 km.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN April 15 2013 16: 25
    +1
    There are hardly any doubts about the need to correctly modernize the MIG31. The question is only at first in the state of structural materials, the airframe? LNII and so on. similar firms can still do this. The stuffing of the onboard systems, of course, can be changed, especially since "Soviet electronics were the most bulky in the world" before, and now much more cunning systems can be squeezed into the same volumes.
    1. Belo_biletnik
      Belo_biletnik April 15 2013 17: 46
      +2
      And then how to do balancing? pour lead?
  • mojohed
    mojohed April 15 2013 16: 57
    +1
    Personnel in the aircraft industry lost. Technology has flowed abroad. But where to go? We must somehow get out of the situation. Let’s at least modernize the old Megs to support defense somewhere. Although, it was said earlier under Serdyukov, large military leaders that they say that we have many planes and completely covering the borders - our task is to defend strategic areas and nothing more.
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 15 2013 17: 22
    -3
    Theoretically possible remotorization of the MIG-31 with an increase in performance on modern engines "Product 129"

    Engine: TRDDF D-30F6
    maximum thrustless draft: 9500 kgf
    afterburner traction: 15500 kgf
    engine weight: 2416 kg

    Engine: AL-41F1
    maximum thrustless draft: 8800 kgf
    afterburner traction: 15000 kgf
    engine weight: 1380 kg

    Engine: "Products 129"
    maximum thrustless draft: 10900 kgf
    afterburner traction: 18000 kgf
    Engine weight: 1350 kg
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 15 2013 19: 53
      +2
      We will not confuse the MiG-31B with the MiG31-BM.
    2. Argon
      Argon April 15 2013 21: 50
      0
      My friend, an airplane, all the more so specific as a "Suitcase" is not a car, you can't take it like that and put what you wanted, or it won't be a MiG-31 anymore. I can't explain in a nutshell why, but a detailed commentary will take a lot of time and space. I will only say that it can only be D-30f6 or its descendant, with an increase in characteristics of 8-15% there are no other alternatives.
  • lazy
    lazy April 15 2013 18: 46
    0
    and the new interceptor needs to be sharpened to hypersound, it’s painfully methodically amers tinkering there, with the raptor and su-35 to cope, but if the amers with hypersound have to burn out, they have to catch up ahead of schedule after seven years and after 15 but really breakthrough, well in the meantime, the essence and the matter is to modernize and extend the service life of the mig-31, but it is not necessary to re-release it, this is a step back
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 15 2013 19: 37
      +1
      Quote: lazy
      and the new interceptor must be sharpened to hypersound

      Manned hypersound will not fade.
      Can you imagine what overloads will be during maneuvering? Pilots to pancake flatten.
      1. lazy
        lazy April 16 2013 11: 11
        0
        well, and no one even says that it is necessary to carry out vigorous maneuvering on hypersound, the task is to catch up and shoot down, and I think no one does a combat turn at the moment-31 at 3000 km / h. besides, perhaps the next generation of fighters will probably be unmanned, this is what the amers say, and our commander said something in an interview
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 15 2013 18: 51
    +5
    The MiG31 was an excellent aircraft for its time. In particular, it was one of the few air defense systems that could detect and destroy low-flying small air targets such as the KR. It was also the first Soviet fighter that, in conjunction with several other similar fighters, could create a joint mobile radar field covering hundreds of kilometers along the front, exchange data on detected targets, etc. ... But ... as time goes on, radar stations, on-board computers, weapon systems, engines and many other main components of the MiG31 are morally obsolete, and at the disposal of aircraft designers, much more modern and effective components and systems have appeared and continue to appear. And with the supply of many components that were previously used for the serial production of MIG31, the situation has changed a long time ago, and what was previously done for MIG31, say, in Chisinau or Riga, will now need to be produced in Russia. Those. If you try to reproduce everything that was used in MIG31, then for the defense industry it will be a step back. If one tries to "cram" new systems into the MIG31 glider, then it will be anything but MIG31, although the external resemblance may be preserved. And then everything that is supposed to be for a new type of aircraft follows. Tests, design development, retraining of flight and technical personnel, etc. And for what? Maybe we should admit that this plane has done its job and now we need to go forward. Of course, those copies of it that are still able to fly and perform combat missions make sense to keep them in combat readiness until such time as such maintenance makes sense and will not affect the safety of flights and the ability of units of armed MIG31 to perform the combat missions prescribed by them.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 15 2013 20: 25
      0
      Quote: gregor6549
      Radar, on-board computers, weapon systems, engines and many other main components of the MIG31 morally outdated

      For information
      It is obsolete (economic) to lose its value, value, etc. due to the appearance of more advanced and new ones in design or content (about machines, devices, processing methods and methods, etc.).
      What are these new interceptors in design or in content ?!
      bully
  • Lissyara
    Lissyara April 15 2013 20: 01
    +9
    I repeat again!
    4 MiG-31 vehicles cover the space from Vladik to Kamchatka (without A-50).
    2 MiG-31 detachment in conjunction with A-50U close the North Pole!
    And now, especially the smart ones, who have instructed me in the minuses, count how many anti-aircraft missile regiments with personnel are needed to be located at such a distance?
    And the trouble is not that Bondarev wanted to save on them, these machines will fly confidently until 2020.
    By the way, clever minunsists, find me in NATO an analogue of the P-37, which will go into service in May? Fuck .. ARMRAM 120? Or Phoenix decommissioned with F-14?
    But at the same time, look at what range the Patriot shoots ... Given the fact that the MiG-31BM is a car in the sky.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym April 15 2013 21: 30
      +3
      Good evening, Sergey (sorry, I don’t know how about the priest)! I always read your comments with great pleasure, as well as VAF, SSI, etc.! Here you can count the specialists on the fingers. Do not pay attention to the minuses, the majority are adequate here - minisics for pluses are quickly corrected. Take care of yourself and your nerves - you are very necessary for us!
      With best wishes and great respect!
    2. Warchief
      Warchief April 15 2013 21: 38
      -3
      Quote: LiSSyara
      Find me an analogue of R-37 in NATO

      And here everything is simple. No tasks - no analogues.
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 42
        0
        Flying C-300?
        Questions?
  • Lissyara
    Lissyara April 15 2013 20: 12
    +5
    And for the very smart! Who in the 80 did not study at military schools!
    It was such a MiG-23, with variable wing geometry.
    In the North, in the Arkhangelsk Air Defense Army. These were the suicide bombers. Their task was to accompany the ALKM, from the B-52. And the guidance officers of the MiG-31, as well as the S-200, would shoot at them. Does anyone have the idea of ​​the Americans "Gigantes Spear" in their minds?
    Or have you read the information on the net?
    I forgot to add - in a lionfish a nuclear charge is triggered when it enters it.
    Clever men from a computer. Lokon played enough.
    You would be to the North.
    1. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 15 2013 21: 56
      0
      Quote: LiSSyara
      in a lionfish, a nuclear charge is triggered when it enters it.

      B-52 # $% missing from ALCM in nuclear equipment - is it missing? And if the KR after start-up refused and fell on its territory? This is nonsense.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 April 15 2013 22: 42
        +2
        I confirm the words LISSyara. And if the KR after start-up fails, the blocker is triggered.
  • yanus
    yanus April 15 2013 20: 20
    +3
    All this fuss with the MiG-31 comes down to finding an excuse to give some orders to the Mikoyanites. Otherwise, they will die of hunger. Dry crushed everything.
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 15 2013 20: 25
      +6
      Let it be, sir, you know, everything belongs to the KLA.
      Moment. Su. Taganrog with the production of A-50 and flying Beryevs.
      and so on ... Everything under Pogosyan.
      Yes, he is an infection, but a talented manager!
  • Chukcha
    Chukcha April 15 2013 20: 50
    +1
    Interestingly, and PAK-FA can lay claim to the basic model of such an interceptor?
    1. Warchief
      Warchief April 15 2013 20: 57
      -7
      Any MFI can cope with the tasks of the MiG-31, subject to competent support for AWACS aircraft. By the way, therefore, the MiG-31 is not needed, because the Su-30/35 + A-50U calmly perform its tasks.
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 23
        +4
        Smart ass! Have you served at least a year, or is it just another internet student? Ile MAI in theory graduated? Or did 200 hours fly into the MiG-31B cockpit?
      2. Lissyara
        Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 40
        +2
        Take an example!
        MiG, Su, F?
        Where?
    2. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 21
      +3
      Let us not confuse the long-range aviation interception missile system with the aircraft to gain supremacy in the air. Moreover, with its engines and weapons systems will not appear in the sky in the arsenal of the Russian Air Force earlier than 2017-2018
  • family tree
    family tree April 15 2013 21: 35
    +2
    The State Duma is instructed: do not interfere with people’s work. You, ------ (insert the right one), were elected so that you ------ (insert the right one) were engaged in lawmaking, in the direction necessary for the development of the country, and did not lobby for various projections, for the money , by their masters. It is time to stop this mess with party lists, lawmakers, damn it, got it with their pearls.
    ps And what, MIG-23, are still flying?
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 48
      0
      Discontinued.
    2. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 50
      +1
      And at the same time ..
      I am not a deputy, but an officer.
  • Lissyara
    Lissyara April 15 2013 21: 38
    +8
    I propose to complete the topic.
    The car will serve the country!
    Someone here called me a troll!
    So, gentlemen, Internet specialists ... If you have learned how to play "flying", so go on fighting. I have flown 212 hours on this car. The A-50 has even more.
    First, put on epaulets, and then you can continue the topic.
    Like in the army! Any questions?
  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 April 15 2013 22: 27
    0
    Quote: AlNick
    MiG-31 is an aircraft designed specifically for intercepting and destroying air targets. This is the same specific narrowly specialized aircraft that the Tu-128, Su-15 (TM), MiG-23P, and MiG-25P were at one time. Do not confuse them with all kinds of modifications P, B, RB, BN, etc. Each has its own task. At the interceptor - to intercept and destroy, and not to bomb and conduct a maneuverable air battle. An exception is possible, in my memory it is only the MiG-23ML (MLD), but it was created as a multi-role fighter.
    In the 80s of the last century, during the reorganization of air defense aircraft, air defense units, armed with Su-15TM, ​​were already transferred to the Air Force. They tried to force fighter-interceptors to conduct maneuverable air battles and to bomb. Of course there was no particular sense. Horseradish is not added to jelly.
    In the late 90s, the then Air Force leadership did not like the numerous modifications of the Su-17M (MR), MiG-27, and MiG-23MLD fighters. That left without fighter-bombers and scouts. And the last production MiG-23MLD with the R-35-300 were not the worst among the fighters.
    At that time, most of the regiments, which were armed with the MiG-31, were reduced, the remaining ones pulled off mainly the MiG-31DZ, B, BS, and the simple ones to the storage base in Lipetsk.
    What remains - Akhtubinsk, Kansk, Monchegorsk, Perm, Yelizovo, Savasleika, Central Corner, ??? Hotilovo and the storage base in Lipetsk. Kazakhs have about 40 MiG-31s ​​as part of the 356th IAP to the airfield of Karaganda.

    The plane has problems, but they can be solved, especially with deep modernization. Bondarev’s statements that the elemental base of the aircraft is very outdated and his arguments about the superiority of Sukhoi’s aircraft are babbled by a man who did not lift anything heavier than the Su-25. The development of a new fighter-interceptor is certainly good, but it would not work as with the Superjet. There is a lot of chatter, but little sense, again Poghosyan’s projections.
    Indeed, according to the combat capabilities of the MiG-31, there are still no analogues anywhere in the world. As an interceptor, it can act alone, but its MAIN PURPOSE is to work in groups of four aircraft under the command of a leading aircraft, while the exchange of information between them and the ground-based automatic control system is automatic, and all tasks related to finding targets and coordination groups are solved by airborne means, constantly receiving information from the ground and interacting in a group of interceptors. In addition, a group of aircraft can operate without the aid of the earth, exercising control over the protected vast air corridor. This is an A-50 in miniature.
    And the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird strategic high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft was withdrawn from service for a completely different reason, it’s just that the satellites are more reliable and missiles are missing.
  • Warchief
    Warchief April 15 2013 22: 28
    -9
    Quote: LiSSyara
    I flew 212 hours on this machine

    I'm sorry.
  • Argon
    Argon April 15 2013 22: 30
    +2
    I completely agree with LiSSyara, the MiG-31 is a unique machine, I will explain it briefly for Internet specialists and aces sims: the MiG-31 is not used for battle with all mass-produced aircraft, but for their guaranteed destruction. And it justifies its purpose.
    1. Warchief
      Warchief April 15 2013 22: 55
      -5
      Quote: Argon
      And it justifies its purpose.

      Quote: Argon
      guaranteed their destruction

      Only there is nothing to destroy. The SR-71 was decommissioned, the U-2 was shot down back in the 60s, and it would not be as tall as the global hockey. The Su-30/35 will cope with the rest. Why the MiG-31 is needed is unclear.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym April 15 2013 23: 37
        +4
        Sorry, Warchiеf, but you would have to smoke somewhere aside. Your knowledge is not impressive. You would read the story of this plane. The Chinese, for example, asked us (RK) to keep this plane from their border with us. So it flies from the airfield in Karaganda to the side of the Caspian Sea and vice versa - I think the Chinese are not fools, and that says something. hi