Soyuz-Apollo - Second Meeting Over Elba. Can We Do It Again?

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Soyuz-Apollo - Second Meeting Over Elba. Can We Do It Again?

Yes, fifty years ago, thirty years after the first historical meeting on the Elbe River in 1945, an equally epochal meeting took place above the Elbe. And once again, Russians and Americans extended their hands to shake, although the countries were practically looking at each other through their gun sights.

Today, in the age of absolutely unpunished information, you can find so much "truth" about that flight (especially in the performance of scoundrels of history like Konstantin Kalinin), that sometimes it becomes disgusting to the point of surprise. Therefore, today there will be no conspiracy theories pulled out of the corners of the clouded subconscious; when writing, the basis was simply the magnificent book by Alexei Leonov "Solar Wind" and a little information from NASA.



Do you know how it all started?


You'll laugh, but from the book. Former pilot (and a good one, according to information) Martin Caidin wrote the novel "Lost" in 1964 with a very interesting plot: American astronaut Richard Pruett finds himself in orbit in a practically hopeless situation: his ship has run out of oxygen. All hope is on the Soviet spacecraft "Vostok" and its pilot Andrei Yakovlev. They are urgently sent to help the American, and the rescue procedure was very daring even for those times: Yakovlev had to grab Pruett in open space and drag him into the "Vostok". "Vostok", as we remember, was a single-seater, so Pruett had to somehow sit there until the Americans put their "Gemini" into orbit and take the astronaut back to Earth.

Three years later, the book was translated into Russian and published here under the title "Captive of the Orbit." Considering that, according to the plot, for once, the Russians did not play the role of the world's Evil, it was translated and published several times. The book became popular with both schoolchildren and adults.

Meanwhile, the Americans made a film of the same name, which won several Oscars.

The preface to our publication was written by cosmonaut No. 2 German Titov. Apparently, he was one of those who used the story as an excuse to once again raise the issue of peaceful coexistence not only on Earth but also in space. The idea also captured the attention of NASA Deputy Director (later Director) Thomas Paine, and he decided to convey it to the President of the USSR Academy of Sciences Mstislav Keldysh.

The correspondence that began led to an unexpected result: on October 26-27, 1970, the first working meeting of Soviet and American specialists took place in Moscow. The discussion focused on the question of how to combine the means of rendezvous and docking in space used by the two superpowers. This meeting marked the beginning of the Soyuz-Apollo project.

EPAS – “Experimental program “Apollo-Soyuz”


Two years passed, two years of very intense work, but in the end the parties were able to agree on all the nuances of the project. And on April 6, 1972, an agreement was signed between the Soviet Academy of Sciences and the American NASA on the Soyuz-Apollo program. And a month and a half later, on May 24, American President Richard Nixon, during his visit to Moscow, signed together with Soviet Prime Minister Alexei Kosygin "Agreement between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the United States of America on Cooperation in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space for Peaceful Purposes".

The third point of this document stipulated that the first joint flight within the framework of this cooperation would take place in 1975.


US President Richard Nixon (seated left) and USSR Prime Minister Alexei Kosygin (seated right) sign an agreement to launch the Apollo-Soyuz mission, May 24, 1972

But paperwork is only half the battle. The joint project was taking shape, but against the backdrop of both countries coming to grips in a serious space confrontation. It was advantageous for each side to demonstrate something beyond the program, but the general relaxation of tension in the world really required something like that, something joint.

And the program, which was officially called EPAS – “Experimental program “Apollo-Soyuz”, allowed this to be done, although there was a lot of ideology there. Diplomats who had to become scientists and scientists who became diplomats coordinated every moment of EPAS, while the cosmonauts and astronauts began their preparations.


Valery Kubasov and Alexei Leonov study English at the Cosmonaut Training Center, 1974

When politicians and diplomats reached an agreement, it was time for scientists to rack their brains


And then the real hellish heat began, since the Soviet and American ships differed greatly in their docking methods, their propulsion equipment, and even their atmospheric composition. The latter was more than relevant, since the Soviet synthetics from which the spacesuits were made became flammable in the oxygen atmosphere of Apollo.

And the docking systems of the spaceships of the two countries were not compatible with each other, and in the event of a disaster, the only option left was to resort to evacuation through open space, as described in the story. The designers sat down to develop docking units that could, if necessary, be quickly installed on other ships that could be used in the rescue operation.

In terms of size and weight, the Soyuz is lighter, thinner and smaller than the Apollo. We must not forget that the Soyuz is an orbital carrier that weighed 6,5-6,8 tons, and the Apollo had a maximum mass of 28 tons, but this was in the lunar version; for near-Earth missions, the fuel tanks were not completely filled and the apparatus weighed less.

Both Apollo and Soyuz had cruise engines to correct orbits and attitude control engines to change the ship's position in space and perform precise docking maneuvers.

For some reason, the Soyuz designers chose a less than ideal configuration, with the cruise engine running on one fuel (heptyl and nitrogen tetroxide), and the docking and orientation engines running on another (hydrogen peroxide). Combined with the fact that the Soyuz tanks held 500 kg of fuel, while the Apollo held 18 tons, this meant that even the under-fueled Apollo was a more obvious candidate for an active role during rendezvous and docking.

But precisely because the "active-passive" role was ideologically important, the program was designed so that each of the ships played both roles during the docking. That is, there were two dockings.

In fact, the Androgynous Peripheral Docking Apparatus (APAS) allows either of the two ships to take an active role during this operation. Which is understandable, considering that the system was created, among other things, for rescue operations.


Soyuz 19 crew members Alexei Leonov (left) and Valery Kubasov before boarding the spacecraft, July 15, 1975, Baikonur

APAS was created here, in OKB-1 (now the Design Bureau of the Energia Concern in Korolev, Moscow Region) and built in two copies. When the docking unit was ready, one half remained in the Soviet Union and replaced the standard docking equipment on the Soyuz-19 spacecraft, and the other went overseas and became part of the equipment of the American Apollo. Both parts were structurally completely identical.


Apollo crew members board a van to travel to the launch pad on July 15, 1975. In front is crew commander Thomas Stafford, followed by Vance Brand and Donald Slayton.

The ships differed somewhat from their counterparts in terms of design: Soyuz-19 featured a new docking module, as well as solar panels, which "previous Soyuz" did not have. Apollo featured a special transfer compartment, which was intended for connection with the Soviet spacecraft.

The need to develop this unit was dictated by the above-mentioned problem of different atmospheres. On the Soyuz, its composition and pressure were close to that of the Earth, while on the Apollo they breathed pure oxygen under a pressure of one-third of the atmospheric pressure. All the life support systems of the ships were adjusted to these parameters, so it was impossible to simply take and connect the Soyuz and Apollo: the automatic life support systems would simply fail.

The Americans designed a transfer compartment in which cosmonauts and astronauts spent three hours before they could be released into the "alien" atmosphere and installed it on the Apollo.


View from the Soyuz-19 spacecraft of the American Apollo. On the front part of the spacecraft is the transfer compartment with the petals of the APAS docking system clearly visible on the left

And on the Soviet side, they were solving the problem of spacesuits, which in the oxygen atmosphere of Apollo could catch fire for practically no reason. They had to develop a new fabric, which, by the way, surpassed all world analogues. And at the same time, the crew of Soyuz-19 in the photo is very easy to distinguish from all other Soviet crews precisely because their spacesuits are so different from the rest.


The crews of the Soyuz 19 and Apollo spacecraft that participated in the first international docking. From left to right: Donald Slayton, Thomas Stafford, Vance Brand, Alexei Leonov, Valeri Kubasov

On July 15, 1975, at 15.20:19 Moscow time, Soyuz-XNUMX was launched from Baikonur



Commander Alexei Leonov and flight engineer Valery Kubasov set off on their second flights into orbit. Seven hours later, Apollo lifted off from Canaveral.


Its crew was more diverse: command module pilot Vance Brand and docking module pilot Donald Slayton were flying for the first time, but commander Thomas Stafford was flying for the fourth time and his experience, in theory, should have been enough to resolve any situation that might arise.

The first docking took place more than two days later – at seven o’clock in the evening Moscow time on July 17, 1975. The American ship was “active”, the Soviet one was “passive”.

Three hours after docking, having mixed the atmospheres and equalized the pressure, representatives of the two largest space powers – Alexei Leonov and Thomas Stafford – shook hands in orbit for the first time in human history.


The first Soviet-American handshake in space. On the right is Thomas Stafford exiting the transfer module, on the left is Alexei Leonov meeting him on board Soyuz 19. Still from a live television broadcast from orbit, July 17, 1975

And here a small discrepancy arose: according to the flight managers’ plan, this was supposed to happen at the moment when the docked ships would fly over Moscow. But small time deviations meant that Moscow was left far behind, and according to Alexei Leonov’s recollections, he shook the hand of his American colleague at the moment when the ships were over the Elbe.

In general, it turned out even better - three decades ago, down there, Soviet and American soldiers shook hands in exactly the same way, defeating one common enemy.


Astronauts Thomas Stafford (left) and Donald Slayton hold Alexei Leonov's joke gift - tubes of "vodka" that turned out to contain borscht from the Soviet cosmonauts' food supply. It wasn't difficult for an artist like Leonov to skillfully draw a new label for the tubes, but the effect was...



Astronaut Donald K. Slayton and cosmonaut Alexei A. Leonov in the Soyuz orbital module

Having spent 46 hours and 36 minutes in the docked state, having carried out a small experimental program, the ships went their separate ways. Apollo played the role of a celestial body for the Soyuz crew, arranging a solar eclipse, then another docking was carried out, in which the role of the "active" ship was played by Soyuz. It was necessary to check that APAS works in both directions. Three hours later, the ships finally undocked and went their separate ways. On July 21, Soyuz returned to Earth, and on the 24th, Apollo splashed down.


Cosmonauts Alexei Leonov and Valery Kubasov after the landing of the Soyuz-19 spacecraft, July 21, 1975

Two very different ships from two countries with completely different structures and ideologies at one moment became an example of common work, and this work had much more meaning than just a new achievement in the space industry.

The next time the Russians and Americans met was in a completely different project: another 20 years later, the ISS project began.


Now, 50 years later, many in Russia are making fun of various theories, even to the point that the docking never happened, and the live broadcast of this event to the whole world is the same fake as the American landing on the moon.

But we belong to a different part of the population of this planet, and the processes of moral degradation are alien to us. Therefore, our history is first and foremost our history, and keeping it pure and intact is also a task for normal people. And so far we have more or less everything in order with this.

On August 5, 2021, in the quiet city of Kaluga, on the territory of the K.E. Tsiolkovsky Museum of the History of Cosmonautics, a memorial sign "Handshake in Space" created by sculptor Igor Burganov was unveiled.

An interesting sign, it is double, like two components: ours and American. But from whatever side you look, you will see hands reaching out for a handshake.


"Handshake in Space"

In issue No. 2 of the Living History magazine in 2015, the memoirs of four participants in that flight, made between 1975 and 2000, were published.


Alas, by that time the seventh US astronaut and (what is perhaps more valuable for us) the B-25 combat pilot who fought in the European theater of war against Germany since 1943, Donald Slayton, had already left the ranks forever.

Therefore, only the memories of the remaining four, of whom only Vance DeVoe Brand remains by our anniversary, who at 94 years old is the last one who was a participant in those events.


Valery Kubasov, Alexey Leonov, Thomas Stafford, Vance Brand (from left to right)



Thomas Stafford (1975): “During the preparation for the flight, we did more than just get to know each other well. We became closer as human beings. Isn’t this proof that our two nations can live in peace, build relationships based on mutual understanding and cooperation? In this sense, the importance of the Apollo-Soyuz experiment goes beyond the space odyssey: a model of cooperation between our countries is being born... Yesterday, when I opened the hatch for the first time and said “hello” to Valery and Alexei, I thought that by opening hatches in space, we are opening a new era in the history of mankind. I am sure that this era has a good future.”

Thomas Stafford (2000): “25 years ago, of course, I dreamed of the time when cosmonauts and astronauts would work together. Fortunately, we have now seen that our efforts were not in vain. The joint work on the creation of the International Space Station is a brilliant confirmation of this. Now I can make bolder predictions: I am convinced that we will be together throughout the XNUMXst century, and this is very true, because only together can we explore space. I am happy that over the years I have made many friends in Russia, but the first among them have always been and will be Alexey and Valery - after all, we were brought together by flight, and what could be more reliable and beautiful than friendship born in space?!”


Vance Brand (1975): “Russian hospitality is well known. But I did not expect that my comrades would take full advantage of it. So Tom and Deke went to the Soyuz, and I remained in the Apollo. But for some reason Stafford and Slayton stayed in the Soviet ship longer than planned. I heard laughter, conversations. Russian phrases alternated with English. I was already beginning to worry: what if my comrades spend the night there? The time allotted for sleep by the program had long passed, and Stafford and Slayton still had not returned from the Soyuz. Then I said that I was going to bed and would not wait for them. Perhaps this is what made Tom and Deke return. But when I myself went to the Soyuz, I also wanted to stay longer - Alexei and Valery greeted us very hospitably.”


Valery Kubasov (1975): “Our flight is of great importance not only for easing international tensions, but also for the safety of space flights and for science. We conducted several very interesting experiments during this flight, but I would like to highlight the “universal furnace”. The samples we brought back from space are being studied at institutes. Final conclusions can be made a little later, but it is already clear that space metallurgy was born after our flight. In orbit, it is possible to create new, unusual materials that are needed by various industries, primarily electronics. Moreover, their production in space is much more efficient than in terrestrial conditions. Now I can confidently predict a rapid rise of extraterrestrial metallurgical technology.”


Alexey Leonov (2000): “The relations between our countries have developed in different ways over the past quarter of a century. There have been coolings in relations, but not once – I emphasize, not once – did any of the participants in the Apollo-Soyuz program say a single unkind word about the other side. Moreover, we have always maintained the warmest relations, met both in America and here, and tried to preserve and develop the traditions born during the years of the Apollo-Soyuz project. Tom Stafford is one of those people who supported our participation in the International Space Station program. There was a time when the US Congress harshly criticized Russia for not meeting the deadlines for creating modules for the ISS, but General Stafford was always objective and benevolent: he supported us, fully understanding the difficult economic situation we were in... So the contribution of the Apollo-Soyuz program participants to the International Space Station is very large!”


Painting by A.A. Leonov "Soyuz-Apollo"


Caricature by Alexei Leonov at the moment of the ships docking

In America, one of the journalists asked Alexei Leonov: "Aren't space programs too expensive?" Leonov's answer was simply magnificent: “If the Spanish queen had once spared the money for Columbus’s flight across the ocean, we would not be meeting in this room now.”Our cosmonaut misspoke a little, but in terms of the complexity of those times, Columbus's journey can be compared to space flights, that's indisputable.

A unique and epochal event of those years, unfortunately, due to my age I would not be able to fully appreciate it, but: a very vivid example of how neither politics nor finances can interfere with the implementation of purely human projects.

What did the Soyuz cosmonauts and Apollo astronauts do?


They found each other in space, docked and shook hands in front of the whole world, there, in the void. Experiments, projects, joint work – all this will be very powerful later. And half a century ago, two countries spent astronomical sums just to show the whole world that they can look at each other not only through sights and radar grids. And for this, space engineers and workers of both countries worked tirelessly.

For many, the unique meeting in orbit became a completely new stage in the exploration of outer space and relations between the two countries. Alas, the détente gave way to a new round of tension in relations between the two superpowers, and then the Soviet Union disappeared from the world map…

The next time unique equipment for docking spacecraft from different countries was needed was twenty years after the Soyuz-Apollo mission. But it was needed!

It turns out that if there had not been this docking, who even knows how the fate of the ISS would have turned out.


Certificate of the first international docking in space, signed by all participants of the Soyuz-Apollo flight

In general, it would be very nice to witness another such event in this life. For a Russian and an American to be in the same business again, no matter, military, astronauts, rescuers, builders, it really is not that important. The main thing is that it would be like 50 years ago, in the cosmic void above a small blue ball somewhere on the outskirts of a huge cosmic world.

Meetings over the Elbe are only for the best. Do you think we can repeat it?
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    15 July 2025 05: 07
    Meetings over the Elbe are only for the best. Do you think we can repeat it?

    I have no illusions about this.
    I read this article with bitterness.
    Americans only take into account those who are strong enough to compete with them.
    Everyone else is just second-class Indians to them...which is what we are seeing now.
    Russia's policy in space and on earth should be exactly the same as that of the United States.
    Everything for Russia... everything in the name of Russia.
    The weak are beaten and humiliated...the strong are friends and respected.
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      15 July 2025 05: 52
      This event is certainly epochal, and to a large extent contributed to the easing of tensions between our countries... there is something to be proud of.
      I have a special set in my collection consisting of two stamps (USSR and USA) and a medal made of sterling silver, dedicated to this event. I keep it carefully, My Father gave it to me, I will give it to my Children.
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      2. -4
        15 July 2025 08: 53
        Recently watched a simply amazing series "In the Name of All Mankind". Yes, as for ours, the cranberry is quite spread out, but as for the technical part, the plot and the acting, it is simply a magnificent film. The first three seasons are simply epic. I have not seen anything close to that in anyone. Except maybe the acting in "The Big Space Journey".
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          15 July 2025 16: 58
          I haven't seen anything close to this anywhere else.
          probably because they almost never make anything like this. I stopped watching when a hysterical astronaut almost killed a Soviet cosmonaut. In real life, such an astronaut would have been called home and would have ended up standing at the cash register at McDonald's at best, or would have rather sat down. And the acting there is so-so. Space is two heads above
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            16 July 2025 02: 59
            Quote from alexoff
            I stopped watching when a hysterical astronaut almost killed a Soviet cosmonaut.

            The fact that he was stuck on the lunar base ALONE way beyond his time limit, the fact that he just learned about the death of his son, the fact that he finally fought in Korea against our people - are these just trifles that aren't worth paying attention to?

            Quote from alexoff
            In real life, such an astronaut would be called home and then, at best, he would stand at the checkout at McDonald's, but would most likely sit down.
            Yeah, they called it back on the next bus? Their replacement crew exploded along with the launch crew and the complex, and a flaw in the launch vehicle was revealed.

            Quote from alexoff
            And the acting there is so-so. The space is two heads above
            At least you watched the season of "For All Mankind", but I broke down on the only episode of "The Expanse", although not on the first one, I don't remember which one I came across...
            Well, and the fact that they don’t film anything... They only film something dull, with Peresild, hysterics and dull dialogues in space.
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              16 July 2025 11: 53
              The fact that he was stuck on the lunar base ALONE way beyond his time limit, the fact that he just learned about the death of his son, the fact that he finally fought in Korea against our people - are these just trifles that aren't worth paying attention to?
              and mental instability on a critical mission. Retire. I think there are more stable people in the US, without complexes. Armstrong's pulse rate barely increased upon landing, they specifically chose someone impenetrable.
              Yeah, the next bus was called back?
              recalled as soon as it became possible, and after that to McDonald's, prison or a taxi driver. And whoever appointed him - also to hell
              I broke down on the only episode of "The Expanse", although not on the first one, I don't remember which one I came across...
              the first few episodes are murky, and then it picks up speed. And in general, the author of Mars definitely drew from the USSR
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                16 July 2025 13: 05
                Quote from alexoff
                and mental instability on a critical mission. Retirement...
                ....recalled as soon as it became possible, and after that to McDonald's, prison or a taxi driver. And whoever appointed him - also to hell

                It's funny. He didn't kill ours, and he lasted a long watch, and after all that he was able to take over the shift. Do you really understand what you're talking about?
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                  16 July 2025 16: 01
                  He didn't kill ours either.
                  Imagine that a Soviet soldier from the GSVG group in 1962 or so meets a lost American soldier on some neutral island somewhere on the Elbe. And just in case, he strangles him, because his brother was shot down by the Americans in Korea. And he drags him away as a prisoner. And this becomes known to the Americans. What will they do with this soldier? They will say - what a fine fellow, he led the watch so bravely, alone! Or maybe they will send him home for creating a pretext for a nuclear war?
                  Do you really understand what you're talking about?
                  Do you really think that physically exceptional people are needed to fly into space, and therefore the authorities will turn a blind eye to wild political antics?
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                    17 July 2025 03: 43
                    Quote from alexoff
                    Imagine that a Soviet soldier from the GSVG group in 1962 or so meets a lost American soldier on some neutral island somewhere on the Elbe. And just in case, he strangles him, because his brother was shot down by the Americans in Korea. And he drags him away as a prisoner. And this becomes known to the Americans. What will they do with this soldier? They will say - what a fine fellow, he led the watch so bravely, alone!

                    What nonsense about the island on the Elbe... And our soldier spent several months on this island alone, and several months before that with two fellow soldiers, and not on a neutral island (nonsense), but at the post entrusted to him, but without weapons? And before that, our soldier fought directly with the Americans and was shot down by them? And before that, our soldier received news of the death of his son? And from the Americans and before his own?
                    It's already clear that you're a zero in psychology, but with what part of your body did you watch the film?
                    In fact, a serviceman, on his own territory, detained, without a weapon, using improvised means, a serviceman of a potential enemy army.
                    By the way, in 1985, our soldier shot dead an American major from a military mission when he poked his nose into our tank park, and nothing happened to the soldier.
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                      17 July 2025 13: 50
                      What nonsense about an island on the Elbe...
                      Well, like there was no island - it doesn't count because! But on the Moon - that's true!
                      And before that, our soldier fought directly with the Americans and was shot down by them?
                      and the investigation will begin - who sent an astronaut with personal scores to settle to live near a potential enemy so that he could create a wild international scandal?
                      And before that, our soldier received news of his son’s death?
                      and what - to understand and forgive? And what if his actions led to a world war and there were thirty million sons killed?
                      The fact that you are a zero in psychology
                      you are probably a zero in real life, if a person has a hard fate and a weak psyche - he has no place in a responsible position, because after that the whole planet will start having a hard life fool
                      In fact, a serviceman, on his own territory, detained, without a weapon, using improvised means, a serviceman of a potential enemy army.
                      On neutral lunar territory, a Soviet cosmonaut got lost and came to ask for help at an American base. After which, the supposedly hospitable American astronaut almost killed him. A global screw-up of his superiors - there were no clear instructions on what to do in such cases.
                      By the way, in 1985, our soldier shot dead an American major from a military mission when he poked his nose into our tank park, and nothing happened to the soldier.
                      and this major, for example, was dying of thirst, asked to go to the base, they opened the gates for him and hit him on the head with the butt of an axe?
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                        17 July 2025 15: 12
                        Quote from alexoff
                        you are probably a zero in real life, if a person has a hard fate and a weak psyche - he has no place in a responsible position, because after that the whole planet will start having a hard life

                        And in my opinion, you are zero. Because you imagine that cosmonauts/astronauts are supermen. And even lower than zero, because you ignore the most difficult, though fictitious, but not far-fetched conditions in which the astronaut was. And even much lower than zero, because, being in such conditions, the astronaut did not kill ours, but captured him, and then freed him, and moreover, trusted him, and you ignore this.

                        Quote from alexoff
                        and this major, for example, was dying of thirst, asked to go to the base, they opened the gates for him and hit him on the head with the butt of an axe?
                        In my opinion, this finally puts an end to you as a person who looks with his eyes and not with anything else and thinks with his head and not with anything else.

                        Quote from alexoff
                        But what if his actions led to a world war and thirty million sons were killed?
                        You even complained about some nonsense about the film, and here you are talking complete nonsense, starting with the island on the Elbe and ending with the major as the cause of the world war. So, the major was slapped and nothing...
      3. +4
        15 July 2025 18: 35
        Quote: Hunter 2
        I have a special set in my collection consisting of two stamps... . (

        After the flight, many badges, postcards, and souvenirs appeared. A metal ruble was in circulation in honor of this event.
        Quote: Amateur
        These weren't cigarettes, they were sheer ruin. A pack cost 1 ruble!

        You're confused. With a filter, soft pack - 30 kopecks, hard - 40 kopecks. "Soyuz-Apollo" - 40 kopecks.
        "Prima" - 14 kopecks.
        P.S. In the battery, in addition to his direct duties, the orderly on the nightstand sold cigarettes. When handing over the duty, money and goods were handed over. Cigarettes were sold, without a filter - 1 kopeck, with a filter - 2 kopecks. The profit went to free smoking for the duty. From a pack of Prima, the duty dropped 6 cigarettes, from Dymka - 4 cigarettes, ... . wink
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          15 July 2025 20: 18
          You're confused. With a filter, soft pack - 30 kopecks,

          No, colleague, a soft pack cost 70 kopecks, which was very expensive at that time. By the way, do you know how much Leonov (he is the developer of the recognizable pack) was paid for the pack design? According to some sources, only 37 rubles. Believe it or not. bully *A man is as beautiful as Apollo if he smokes *Soyuz-Apollo**, by the way! laughing
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            15 July 2025 20: 28
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            No, colleague, a soft pack cost 70 kopecks.

            What time are you talking about? I'm talking about the 70s.
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              15 July 2025 20: 32
              I'm talking about the 70s.

              That's right, I'm talking about the same time, the price of a soft pack of Soyuz-Apollo was exactly 70 kopecks and they were sold only at the then Baikonur, then they went to the people. Speculators sold them for three rubles. By the way, Leonov was given two boxes of these cigarettes in addition to 37 rubles, for representative purposes.
              1. -1
                15 July 2025 20: 50
                Quote: ArchiPhil
                That's right, and I'm talking about the same time, the price of a soft pack of Soyuz-Apollo was exactly 70 kopecks

                Probably sclerosis. wink I remember that our most expensive cigarettes are 40 kopecks.
                1. -1
                  15 July 2025 20: 52
                  Probably sclerosis.

                  No, comrade! This means that in those glorious times you and I didn't smoke seriously. I started only in '82, which I still regret!!! We were just messing around then. Alas.
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                    15 July 2025 22: 00
                    Quote: ArchiPhil
                    No, comrade! This means that in those glorious times you and I didn't smoke seriously. I started only in '82, which I still regret!!! We were just messing around then. Alas.

                    I started smoking in the army. Ten years earlier. The flight took place a month after demobilization. It was in the army that I felt that tobacco is evil. The military store did not stock cigarettes. There were only Cuban ones. We mostly ran 3 km in boots on concrete (the distance to the positions), many of them were 1st class. After the Cuban ones, the results dropped by almost a minute.
                    Quote: ArchiPhil
                    Now I know where these *new Russians* came from!!!!

                    wink
                    Quote: ArchiPhil
                    By the way, in addition to 37 rubles, Leonov was given two more boxes of these cigarettes for presentation purposes.

                    Everything that was created in the Union belonged to the state. 37 rubles is almost four RATSUHA! wink
                    But now Vuchetich's descendants are demanding that they be given a "payoff" for "Motherland". belay
                    1. -1
                      15 July 2025 22: 07
                      и

                      Oh my! Damn, but what demon made you and me smoke, huh? And I, after serving for a year and a half, damn, started smoking. No, we definitely need a *Smoking Room* section, like before! Descendants love what was not created by them, but? Allegedly with their participation!
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                        15 July 2025 22: 10
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        Oh my!

                        It's too late for me to change. wink
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                        15 July 2025 22: 11
                        It's too late for me to change. wink

                        Also. I smoke! Today - *Dunhill*
              2. +1
                31 July 2025 20: 13
                Quote: ArchiPhil
                By the way, in addition to 37 rubles, Leonov was given two more boxes of these cigarettes for presentation purposes.

                Nothing. Then he took revenge on the USSR, becoming deputy director of Alfabank of Messrs. Aven and Friedman (prominent representatives of the infamous seven-banker group). In his own words, thanks to the connections he had acquired during the USSR, he helped confiscate property from red directors who did not know what to do with it. Looking at his antics in the "holy nineties", I already had doubts about the impartiality of his refutations of the fictitiousness of the American landing on the Moon.
        2. -1
          15 July 2025 20: 58
          sold cigarettes.P

          Now I know where these *new Russians* came from!!!! laughing laughing laughing
      4. ANB
        -1
        16 July 2025 15: 05
        . I have in my collection

        Soyuz Apollo cigarettes were quite decent in their time.
    2. +3
      15 July 2025 13: 43
      Americans only take into account those who are strong enough to compete with them.
      Yes, now the Russian Federation is in the same situation as in the joke about the goldfish: "Man, you had everything!" I will add on my own behalf, it will not be under the Russian Federation. There are no personnel, there is almost no industry capable of serial production of spacecraft (let's not even mention airplanes). And the oligarchs do not need it. "We will buy everything!" As a result, they bought them, lock, stock.
  3. +5
    15 July 2025 05: 16
    The article mentions the ISS, but does not mention the Mir-Space Shuttle program.
    1. -1
      15 July 2025 05: 38
      Do you think we can do it again?
      "Everything will repeat itself, according to the law of the Earth's rotation"... - from the song.
  4. -3
    15 July 2025 05: 36
    Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8
    The article mentions the ISS, but does not mention the Mir-Space Shuttle program.

    And what benefit did they provide to our country other than scientific research?
    Our Roscosmos was used as a carrier into orbit, and in addition, the Americans needed our technologies for long-term stay in space, which they successfully pumped out of our country.
    1. -16
      15 July 2025 07: 14
      technologies for long-term stay in space,

      Which they seemed to have... After the Moon, that is. lol
      1. +7
        15 July 2025 08: 43
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Which they seemed to have... After the Moon, that is.

        How long did the flight to the Moon take and how long did it take to arrive at the Mir station? wassat
        1. -11
          15 July 2025 09: 13
          How long did it take to fly to the moon?

          The issue is being studied. Fairy tales are generally not an obvious thing.
          1. -2
            16 July 2025 12: 37
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Fairy tales are generally not obvious things.
            For many, fairy tales are more obvious than the laws of physics and common sense - blessed are those who believe. It is useless to argue, any arguments are either demagogy or outright rudeness.
            However, the truth will sooner or later be realized. It can be noted why the Soviet leadership went to acknowledge the US manned flights to the Moon.
            The USSR got a lot for that deal, first of all: in the early 1970s, construction of powerful oil and gas pipelines to Europe from the USSR began, and the money and even the pipes were given by the Europeans and Americans themselves, as a result, oil and gas supplies from the USSR to Europe, including to Western countries, increased 4 times! In early 1970, construction of the Kama Automobile Plant - KAMAZ began! The following were signed: the Treaty between the USSR and the USA on the Limitation of Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems (ABM Treaty); the Interim Agreement between the USSR and the USA on Certain Measures in the Sphere of Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms (SALT-1); these two treaties allowed the USSR to save colossal funds - tens, hundreds of billions of rubles. Much more was received as well. And these gifts came from the main geopolitical rival?!
            For the same reason, the Soviet leadership, together with the United States, staged the Soyuz-Apollo scam. ("The Truth About the Soyuz-Apollo Docking"
            Konstantin Kalinin)
    2. +9
      15 July 2025 07: 29
      Quote: The same Lech
      Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8
      The article mentions the ISS, but does not mention the Mir-Space Shuttle program.

      And what benefit did they provide to our country other than scientific research?
      Our Roscosmos was used as a carrier into orbit, and in addition, the Americans needed our technologies for long-term stay in space, which they successfully pumped out of our country.

      At the very least, Roscosmos received currency and orders, which is not the case now. Another question is that it stood still and waited for Musk
    3. +7
      15 July 2025 07: 50
      What do you mean, "other than scientific research"? It wasn't all for the sake of sheer prestige. The West wasn't just pumping money out. The West was paying. And without joint programs, the Russian space program risked simply dying. What other benefit would that give you?
      1. +4
        15 July 2025 08: 02
        Quote: YAHU
        The West paid.

        NASA and ESA brought so much money to Roscosmos that it could have flown to Mars.
        1. -2
          15 July 2025 10: 39
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote: YAHU
          The West paid.

          NASA and ESA brought so much money to Roscosmos that it could have flown to Mars.

          Not really. That money was spent on making rockets. But of course we had to think about the future. By the way, what is so valuable on Mars that we should send people there?
          1. 0
            15 July 2025 10: 41
            Quote from Kartograph
            This money went towards making rockets.

            In the case of ESA only, and don’t forget that the margin was also included, I hope you don’t believe in the altruism of Roscosmos.
            Quote from Kartograph
            What is so valuable on Mars that people should be sent there?

            This is figuratively speaking, in terms of the amount of expenses.
            1. +2
              15 July 2025 10: 46
              Quote: Puncher
              Quote from Kartograph
              This money went towards making rockets.

              In the case of ESA only, and don’t forget that the margin was also included, I hope you don’t believe in the altruism of Roscosmos.
              Quote from Kartograph
              What is so valuable on Mars that people should be sent there?

              This is figuratively speaking, in terms of the amount of expenses.

              The margin went towards bonuses for Roscosmos managers and support for inefficient production.
              1. 0
                15 July 2025 10: 48
                Quote from Kartograph
                The margin went to bonuses for Roscosmos managers and to support inefficient production

                Well, that's unfortunate. If RK treated the money he earned with his own labor like that, then his attitude towards the money donated by the state is even worse.
                1. 0
                  15 July 2025 11: 16
                  The margin went to bonuses for Roscosmos managers and to support inefficient production

                  Production became ineffective as soon as the conversion program was launched, and by the way, at that time such a profession as manager did not exist in the USSR.
          2. -1
            15 July 2025 12: 10
            Quote from Kartograph
            .......what is so valuable on Mars that people should be sent there?

            Quote: Puncher
            ..........This is figuratively speaking, in terms of the amount of expenses.

            What if there is someone there, even if not intelligent, but alive? Living organisms have amazing adaptability. In any case, this information and territory have both purely scientific and strategic-technological significance.
            Remember the Great Geographical Discoveries. What changes they made in the lives of people all over the world, and the shocks in their minds! All the previous theories (which officially prevailed) collapsed, and the unorthodox ones --- went up!
            And remember what a revolution in life was made by the chemical revolution, which began with the study of indigo and the creation of aniline dyes, which Peretolchin wrote about!
            So, starting with the idea of a lifeless Mars, we will reach the opinion that the Earth is flat, that rain flows from the stars, and that aviation is a sin. And of course, that the Americans have not been to the Moon!
            So, we must not be afraid and not retreat, but develop! Ideas exist, and in real life, and "pure science" is also needed.
        2. +1
          15 July 2025 11: 47
          Quote: Puncher
          .........fly to Mars.

          And to Mars, and to Venus, and to the Kuiper belt at least! But, Sergei Pavlovich Korolev, somehow very strangely died during an operation (not a military one, but a surgical one), just during the preparation for a manned flight into deep space. This in itself does not mean anything, but immediately after his death, the next Chief, it seems like Glushko, curtailed all these programs and all the documents about this were destroyed! If the reason for everything is material problems, then why destroy the documents?
          1. kpd
            +2
            15 July 2025 13: 40
            And you remember why Korolev had such problems with the N-1 launch vehicle. It's just that one general designer of rocket engines categorically refused to create powerful oxygen-kerosene engines and, strangely enough, his last name was Glushko. So when the fate of the N-1 project fell into his hands, the rocket was immediately "buried". And Glushko's Proton never flew in a manned configuration.
            1. 0
              15 July 2025 15: 04
              Thank you for your answer. I will think and read. hi
            2. +4
              15 July 2025 17: 10
              So when the fate of the N-1 project fell into his hands, the rocket was immediately “buried”.
              Korolev died in 1966, N-1 was closed in 1976. Right away, yes. And there were no bosses above Korolev and Glushko, they did whatever they wanted. fool
  5. -3
    15 July 2025 05: 36
    Meetings over the Elbe are only for the best. Do you think we can repeat it?

    Soon, the "Ukrainian brothers" will be shelling Moscow and other Russian cities with American missiles under American control, and Trump will introduce 100% duties against any countries that have trade and economic relations with our country, and Skomorokhov is somewhere in the pink clouds. The USA is Russia's enemy and currently open enemy.
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        2. +3
          15 July 2025 09: 34
          Active/hot phase, of course, we, Putin said something like that, that he made a decision to conduct the SVO, and everything would have been fine if we had completed the SVO in a month or two, by the way, this is one of the few cases when Putin spoke so directly about making a decision in the singular, usually he avoids such personal responsibility, as it was later on with mobilization, leaving Kherson, etc., there we already made a decision, I was advised, etc.
          And now the SVO is already in its fourth year, it is not difficult to set the whole world against Russia, there are enough personnel to cultivate, even Israel is being well-rinsed, both in the US and in Europe for Palestine.
          In general, as usual, force decides everything; Russia, under President Medvedev, solved the problem with Georgia in eight (or so) days and there were no sanctions, no isolation, no shelling of Russian territory.
          1. +4
            15 July 2025 10: 22
            Georgia had a small army and territory, even if it were comparable to Ukraine in terms of population and territory, the result could have been the same.
            1. +5
              15 July 2025 10: 24
              That's not the point, but that the operation ended quickly and no one had time to come to their senses. By the way, the same thing happened in Crimea, missiles, bombs, etc. didn't fly across Russian territory because everything ended quickly.
              And if Kyiv had been taken by March-April 2022, everything would have been exactly the same, and some sanctions would have been introduced, but in general they would have shrugged their shoulders and gritted their teeth to acknowledge the right of the strong.
              1. +5
                15 July 2025 10: 30
                Taking a city of a million people ready for battle with the small forces that were there, given the constant mobilization of the enemy, was an impossible task.
                1. +4
                  15 July 2025 10: 32
                  Well, what are you telling me? It wasn’t me who planned the operation. I was generally sure that the SVO would only be on the territory of the DPR and LPR, with all groups going there, when the Western media announced that Russia had assembled a 200-strong group.
                2. -3
                  15 July 2025 17: 13
                  a city of a million people ready to fight
                  What was he prepared for there? And who prevented them from cutting off the electricity there in the first hour?
                  with constant mobilization of the enemy
                  and of course it is impossible to fight this. Only recently did intelligence learn the coordinates of the military registration and enlistment offices fool
          2. -5
            15 July 2025 11: 35
            This is if we consider the Bandera outskirts as a legitimate state, which is not true in principle. This is our land and our people. In fact, the West is fighting with us for this. The revival of our Empire is fatal for them.
      2. -2
        15 July 2025 10: 34
        Quote from Kartograph
        Maybe because they started the bloodiest war in Europe since World War II?

        and the first massive bombings of European cities after WWII, NATO's offensive in the east, etc., etc. - were these done by friends?
        1. 0
          15 July 2025 10: 43
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote from Kartograph
          Maybe because they started the bloodiest war in Europe since World War II?

          and the first massive bombings of European cities after WWII, NATO's offensive in the east, etc., etc. - were these done by friends?

          What does this have to do with the bloodiest war?
          1. -2
            15 July 2025 10: 47
            Quote from Kartograph
            What does this have to do with the bloodiest war?

            "None"
      3. +4
        15 July 2025 11: 10
        Quote from Kartograph
        Why are we their enemies? Maybe because we started the bloodiest war in Europe since World War II?

        Reminds me: "Why did the Soviet Union invade Europe in 1944?"
  6. -1
    15 July 2025 05: 36
    and did I correctly conclude that if the second meeting over the Elbe had more of a propaganda character than practical benefit for the USSR, since the US had to recognize the strength and power of the USSR in 1975, then the first meeting at the Elbe had more of a propaganda character than practical benefit for the USSR, since in 1944 the US saw the light and in 1945 it saw the real power of the USSR, and the US "worried" that the Russians would achieve victory over Germany without the participation of the US?
  7. -9
    15 July 2025 05: 45
    On the Internet they write and argue that there was no Soyuz-Apollo flight
    1. +1
      15 July 2025 07: 17
      Quote: stels_07
      On the Internet they write and argue that there was no Soyuz-Apollo flight

      What won't they write on the Internet! And THANKS to Roman for the article. If we could do it then, with all the ideological components on both sides, we can do it now.
      1. +3
        15 July 2025 11: 39
        And THANKS to Roman for the article.
        I completely agree, he knows how to write such articles, he should be prohibited by law from writing technical articles.
    2. +6
      15 July 2025 07: 59
      Quote: stels_07
      there was no Apollo-Soyuz flight

      There was a flight, and there were cigarettes. And on the fence it says "screw".
      1. -9
        15 July 2025 08: 01
        Well, if there were cigarettes like that, then yes, it’s irrefutable.
        1. +2
          15 July 2025 08: 02
          Quote: stels_07
          Well, if there were cigarettes like that, then yes, it’s irrefutable.

          Exactly Yes
      2. +2
        15 July 2025 12: 29
        These were not cigarettes, but sheer ruin. A pack cost 1 ruble! For comparison, Bulgarian cigarettes in a hard pack BT - 40 kopecks. "Stewardess", "Opal" in a soft pack - 30 kopecks. Soviet Java 30 kopecks. "Brezhnev's Favorite Cigarettes" "Evening" in a hard pack - 40 kopecks. "Prima" in a red crumpled pack without a filter 12 kopecks.
        1. 0
          15 July 2025 15: 06
          Brezhnev's favourite cigarettes "Evening" in a hard pack - 40 kopecks.

          Wait, but according to the memoirs of Yuri Churbanov, Leonid Ilyich loved *Novost* and *Krasnopresnenskie*, naturally made to special order.
          1. 0
            15 July 2025 15: 11
            Who knows. My friend's father worked in "Nine". Info from there. By the way, "Evening" were rare and not sold everywhere. And "Java" was from "Java" or from "Ducat". And real Muscovites would always ask whose. "Java" was considered better.
            1. 0
              15 July 2025 15: 21
              Evening

              It should be started with the fact that *Evening* was not particularly popular among the people compared to the Javanese *Yava* and the Ducat *Pegasus*. *Cosmos*? Well, that's for the intelligentsia, so to speak... laughing *Evening* ones just stood apart.
            2. 0
              15 July 2025 15: 24
              Info from there.

              Towards the end of his life, doctors categorically forbade Brezhnev to smoke, but? Of course he *shot*, of course unofficially, and as a smoker everyone understood him and gave him a light. That's probably where the stories about other favorite brands of cigarettes came from.
        2. -2
          15 July 2025 15: 07
          Quote: Amateur
          These weren't cigarettes, they were sheer ruin. A pack cost 1 ruble!

          But the very first Soyuz-Apollo cigarettes were good. Excellent cigarettes. Again, they were made together with the States. They tried to do it well. And then they became crap.
          1. +1
            15 July 2025 15: 37
            . And then they became g.
            What's most interesting! Starting from 95, this brand was made at the Krasnodar TF, owned by..... *Philip Morris*! Here's a little twist, as one person, unloved by many, used to say. bully
    3. -1
      15 July 2025 11: 23
      There was a flight, I personally observed and photographed from the other side of the Earth.
    4. +6
      15 July 2025 11: 37
      On the Internet they write and argue that there was no Soyuz-Apollo flight
      And in general, everything is like this. (The Earth's shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse).
      1. +2
        15 July 2025 20: 27
        Moon during a lunar eclipse).

        Amazing photo! It completely destroys the theory of three whales! Elephants and a turtle! I'm shocked. laughing
    5. +4
      15 July 2025 16: 14
      [quote...that there was no Soyuz-Apollo flight][/quote] No matter how much anyone criticizes or ridicules it, I confirm - there was a flight and a docking. In 1979, we cut the videotape recording of the flight into audio tape. Well, there was a shortage of high-quality film in civilian life. We didn't think that we were destroying the epochal video recording of the Soyuz-Apollo flight and docking. But what happened, happened.
    6. +3
      15 July 2025 22: 52
      The same way they "argue" about flights to the Moon. For an ignoramus, any heresy is an argument.
      1. -3
        16 July 2025 03: 28
        Quote: Scaffold
        The same way they "argue" about flights to the Moon. For an ignoramus, any heresy is an argument.

        But overall, it's a very murky story. That the Americans could have easily flown to the Moon, well, yes. That they could have landed, well, okay, but that they flew, landed, took off, docked in lunar orbit, didn't miss when landing, and there were very tight gaps, and did it six times - that's nonsense.
        Personally, I think that at least some of the landings were unmanned - firstly, the automation allowed it, secondly, there was no way to check it, thirdly, it allowed us to save a significant amount of fuel for unforeseen circumstances, and fourthly, to maintain secrecy.
  8. 0
    15 July 2025 06: 02
    All this was determined on Earth. The highest representatives of the USA and the USSR met. The necessary documents were signed at that time. This was a reflection of the work in space.
    1. +2
      15 July 2025 06: 43
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      This was a reflection of working in space.
      Another reflection of working in space were cigarettes Soyuz-Apollo... wink
      1. +1
        15 July 2025 20: 28
        there were Soyuz-Apollo cigarettes... wink

        An obvious oversight by the authorities of that time, forgive me, but where is the... vodka??? bully
        1. +1
          15 July 2025 20: 30
          Quote: ArchiPhil
          An obvious oversight by the authorities of that time, forgive me, but where is the... vodka???
          Maybe they were pouring something premium and in small editions, but I was still young and didn't see it. But cigarettes Soyuz-Apollo I ran with the boys into the forest to smoke...
          1. 0
            15 July 2025 20: 36
            I ran with the boys into the forest to smoke...

            We were more on Bulgarian then...*specialized*. But yes! As a rule, it is into the forest! Especially since the luxurious Biryulevsky arboretum and Tsaritsyno are nearby, the real thing, not Luzhkov's. hi
  9. +8
    15 July 2025 06: 16
    Do you think we can do it again?

    No, we can't. The country is not the same, the leaders are not the same. They can't make Stone Flowers: CIS, CSTO, BRICS, ASEC, SCO, maybe a union state with Belarus, which worked out, with difficulty. And even this union state does not recognize the territorial expansion of the general union state.
    1. -6
      15 July 2025 08: 02
      And one "great friend" categorically refused to fight for his "great friend".
  10. -6
    15 July 2025 07: 32
    Repeat?
    Yes.
    On the moon.
    Russia, of course, will not be able to - it is now only a pale shadow of the USSR.
    But the US can't either...
    They have been "returning" for 30+ years, but the "stone flower" still doesn't come out.
    It has come to the point that in order to carry out the landing (in the plans), it is necessary to launch two dozen Starships, which have never yet entered orbit, in order to return.
    1. +1
      15 July 2025 10: 00
      But the US can't either...


      The US can repeat China's mission to land on the Moon, but why, there is no real practical sense yet, well, no matter what you do, everyone understands that this will be a "prestige" mission.
      1. 0
        15 July 2025 12: 23
        Quote: Oldrover
        .......there is no real practical sense in landing on the moon.........

        There is a practical sense in the development of the Moon: both helium-3 and various metals in native form, including gold, platinum group metals, and rare earths! Since in a vacuum, in the absence of a chemically aggressive oxygen environment, metals themselves are smelted from ores.
        1. +3
          15 July 2025 15: 51
          You can explain as much as you like to people who are not able to meticulously calculate profit and loss and who have nothing to do with investments and large innovative entrepreneurship, but for them it is beyond their imagination. In their understanding, profit ends with the formula "bought from the Chinese on Ali - sold at the local hardware store", and everything that follows is already crazy, crazy risks and therefore this can never happen.
          But regarding "Helium-3" - it's a wank, IMHO. It's spread there in a very thin layer, figuratively speaking. Until there is a reactor for it - it's useless, and there will be no reactor without it, a kind of vicious circle in which the questions of the profitability of its extraction and the cost of creating a real commercial reactor are almost impossible to calculate.
          Everything else is just a VERY large investment project, in some sense it is a project for machines and not for people, it can potentially be VERY profitable, but at the same time, legal issues of mining in space and on the Moon from an international point of view are a rather nasty topic concocted for today, which can turn in any direction at any moment. The Americans can torpedo third-party initiatives in this area of someone, if it is not them. They themselves, in turn, want to get involved in this in such a way that they have a minimum time from the start of the activity to the actual seizure of control, since the Americans do not like to share.
          So we are seeing preparation for the throw, in a sense.
          1. +1
            15 July 2025 18: 49
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            ........for machines and not for people.......

            And --- for People, and for machines! And under the leadership of People! This is well shown in various science fiction books and films! For example, in the film by Pavel Klushantsev "Planet of Storms", and in the story by Stanislav Lem from the cycle about Ijon Tichy "Peace on Earth", and in the series of stories by Harry Harrison "War with Robots". There it is very well shown that, give robots autonomy, trust them with EVERYTHING, and they will squeeze Space from Humanity.
        2. +1
          15 July 2025 16: 22
          Because in a vacuum, in the absence of a chemically aggressive oxygen environment, metals themselves are smelted from ores.
          Dmitry, learn to formulate your thoughts clearly. What you wrote does not contain any thoughts at all. Ore is a chemical compound of elements. Naturally, in the absence of an oxygen environment, the composition of the ore will be different than with the presence of an oxidizer in the atmosphere. But what does "self-smelting" have to do with it?
          1. 0
            15 July 2025 17: 36
            Quote: Aviator_
            Because in a vacuum, in the absence of a chemically aggressive oxygen environment, metals themselves are smelted from ores.
            Dmitry, learn to formulate your thoughts clearly. What you wrote does not contain any thoughts at all. Ore is a chemical compound of elements. Naturally, in the absence of an oxygen environment, the composition of the ore will be different than with the presence of an oxidizer in the atmosphere. But what does "self-smelting" have to do with it?

            I mean that metals on the Moon do not oxidize, because there is very little atmosphere on the Moon --- the so-called ideal gas, and asteroids do not have an atmosphere at all, because the speed of a molecule at the equator of asteroids exceeds the 2nd cosmic speed for the same asteroid, and if everything is fine with this on the surface, but at an altitude of ~100~300 km, the particles THERE should not be in the atmosphere, but in the body of the asteroid, in minerals. That is why there are asteroids entirely metallic. This is about metals and the lack of an atmosphere. There is no oxidizer
            1. +1
              15 July 2025 17: 39
              That is why there are asteroids that are entirely metallic.
              There are metal meteorites. Probably asteroids too. But your phrase about "smelting" in the last post just killed me. I talked to Leonov on Channel 1 in April 2006, an interesting guy. Naturally, we talked about space, and not about banking, where he went in his old age.
              1. +1
                15 July 2025 18: 09
                Good evening, Sergey! hi
                Quote: Aviator_
                .........There are metallic meteorites. Probably asteroids too........

                There are metallic asteroids! They belong to a special group, by spectrum. Well, the largest of them--- Psyche. In size, it is >250 km, that is, it is one of the largest in the Main Belt. And scientists are now arguing --- whether it is entirely metallic, or with an admixture of silicates, and about what kind of metals it contains.
                1. +1
                  15 July 2025 19: 55
                  Well, yes, otherwise where would metallic meteorites come from? By the way, the first iron that people used was meteorite. They learned to get it from ore after they mastered copper and bronze (an alloy of copper and tin). By the way, the name of the island "Cyprus" comes from the Latin "cuprum" - copper. But I don't understand how to get the spectrum of a cold asteroid? In my opinion, there is no way. You can calculate the density from the orbit and size.
                  1. +1
                    15 July 2025 20: 22
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    ....... By the way, the first iron that people used was meteorite.......

                    Well, it was in ancient Egypt --- the sacred adze of God Saah, the star God, with which they "opened the mouths" of dead pharaohs, was made precisely from meteoric iron! And the pyramidions were also meteorites.
                    By the way, in Black Africa, iron was mined from ores!
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    ....... the name of the island "Cyprus" comes from the Latin "cuprum" - copper.........

                    And the word Argentina comes from the word Argentum -- silver!
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    ...... From the orbit and dimensions, the density can be calculated.

                    Actually, density can be calculated based on dimensions and mass! This is the average density of the entire celestial body! And based on the length of the day on the planet, its geometric shape, and deviations of the artificial satellite from the calculated trajectory --- the distribution of densities inside the planet
                    1. -1
                      15 July 2025 20: 45
                      The mass is calculated from the orbit. And then - as you wrote.
        3. +1
          15 July 2025 17: 17
          helium-3
          a terrible secret - this helium can be bought here, on Earth! But there are no thermonuclear reactors - they have not been created request
          various metals in native form, including gold, platinum group metals, and rare earths
          What are you talking about? And where are these deposits there? They say that it's ordinary basalt, like ours
          Because in a vacuum, in the absence of a chemically aggressive oxygen environment, metals themselves are smelted from ores.
          MDA ....
          1. 0
            15 July 2025 17: 52
            Quote from alexoff
            helium-3
            a terrible secret - this helium can be bought here, on Earth! But there are no thermonuclear reactors - they have not been created request
            various metals in native form, including gold, platinum group metals, and rare earths
            What are you talking about? And where are these deposits there? They say that it's ordinary basalt, like ours
            Because in a vacuum, in the absence of a chemically aggressive oxygen environment, metals themselves are smelted from ores.
            MDA ....

            Thank you for the information about helium-3. And about metals and basalt... In general, selenology is very different from geology. There are no spreading and subduction zones on the Moon --- there are low plains, the so-called seas, sometimes circular, sometimes irregular in shape, and they have different genesis. And it is not like on Earth --- there are no granite rocks, but on the "continents" --- anorthosites and gabbro. And in terrestrial basalts, there are many microscopic inclusions of iron. And during research on the Moon, iron was discovered practically over the entire surface! Both mechanically and remotely.
            Well, on Earth, metals are oxidized by oxygen, sulfur, and (from volcanoes) halogens. And on the Moon, frankly speaking, there are few active volcanoes.
            P.S. I really dream of learning about tectonics on the Moon.
            1. 0
              15 July 2025 19: 28
              Regolith is solid oxides. Initially, there were almost no free metals in the system, since oxygen is a very common element. As far as I remember, the restoration took place later due to the hydrogen atmosphere of planetesimals. And all sorts of iron meteorites were knocked out of there in the process. The Moon is apparently covered in dust from their fall. But there are no clear deposits there. With the same success, you can process sand in the Sahara, at least there is more than two weeks of night and there is something to breathe.
              As for the Moon's deposits, it's obviously not very good. Its density is much lower than that of the Earth, which means there are also much fewer metals. From a geological point of view, Mercury is the most promising. There, solar batteries will work with 400% efficiency. During the day, of course. lol
              1. -1
                15 July 2025 20: 09
                Thanks for the information, Alexander! I'll look in books and on the Internet.
      2. +3
        15 July 2025 15: 54
        Landing and mining missions are different, completely different things. A mining mission requires research and data, you don't just dig a mine wherever you want.
        If they find a large Clark worth billions, they will refine the data, then model the extraction on Earth, then work on the topic with lawyers, and then everything will start so fast that some won't even have time to fart. But for now, the data is like "there's a lot of platinum on the Moon" - well, there's a lot of platinum on Earth too. Take as much as you want, from the mantle, from a depth of 20 km, a-haha...
        1. 0
          15 July 2025 18: 24
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          ......Take it as much as you want, from the mantle, from a depth of 20 km, a-haha...

          From the Second Law of Thermodynamics it follows that lowering the temperature or creating a deep vacuum is more difficult and expensive than heating or compressing something. Especially if you need frost close to absolute zero or a vacuum of intergalactic proportions. Accordingly, mining platinum or, say, tungsten (I'm just saying), on the Moon is cheaper and easier than from the Earth's mantle. The way David Brin's heroes flew to the Sun and removed heat and hard radiation with a powerful laser is obvious nonsense. Well, that's how it is.
          Although any business requires initial capital...
  11. -9
    15 July 2025 07: 35
    Quote: Egoza
    If we could do it then, despite the ideological component on both sides, we can do it now.

    Yes, yes... the Americans can do everything... especially drilling holes on the ISS. smile
    The Kremlin loves the slogans Peace, Friendship, Chewing gum with jeans.
    1. +2
      15 July 2025 07: 58
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Yes, yes... the Americans can do everything... especially drill holes on the ISS

      Stop broadcasting nonsense. No metal shavings were found in the ISS air filters, so they drilled on the ground.
      1. -6
        15 July 2025 09: 32
        Well, Memphis went into repairs after a NON-collision with a torpedo attack on Kursk - on a planned basis, and did not wander around the coast of the Russian Federation at all. Not everything that they tell everyone is true.
        1. +9
          15 July 2025 09: 49
          Quote: ser580
          Not everything that they tell everyone is true.

          The Masons are hiding the truth, the earth is flat and stands on three elephants, and one of them is sick...
          1. -1
            15 July 2025 09: 52
            Well, one day, I was on the bridge of the heavy cruiser Kuznetsov when they were deciding what to say about Admiral Zhuga's stupid decision to bunker during a storm (with the subsequent ramming of the tanker by the BC-3 magazine). Everything is fine - the cruiser itself crashed into the tanker - no one is to blame, yeah. Only Masons around.
      2. -1
        15 July 2025 11: 17
        Quote: Puncher
        No metal shavings were found in the ISS air filters, which means the drilling was done on the ground.

        Since no wires were found during excavations of ancient Russian cities, this means that there was already radio communication in Ancient Rus'.
        smile
        The driller had to take care of the shavings - simply out of a sense of self-preservation. Because any freely flying conductor on the ISS is a potential failure of any electronics, including the same liquid cooling system.
        1. +1
          15 July 2025 11: 25
          Quote: Alexey RA
          The driller had to take care of the shavings - simply out of a sense of self-preservation. Because any freely flying conductor on the ISS is a potential failure of any electronics, including the same liquid cooling system.

          It's impossible. It's like covering your mouth with your hand while sneezing and hoping that not a single droplet carrying a germ will get into the surrounding space.
        2. 0
          15 July 2025 15: 41
          Flexible cover filled with filter fiber by 2/3 of the type of cotton wool with adjacent walls between the front part of the drill and the drilled surface.. all the chips will fly off due to centrifugal forces and get stuck in the fibers of the cotton wool, respectively. Drilled - removed the cap and immediately packed it. Options with adhesive composition on cotton wool are possible so that when you exit the cap of the drill, you can squeeze it and stick all the more or less large particles under it and then pack it.
          Technologies are on the verge of science fiction, the louse is vigorous)))
      3. 0
        15 July 2025 11: 37
        No metal shavings were found in the ISS air filters, which means the drilling was done on the ground.

        How much time passed between the module docking to the station and the leak being discovered?
        Air flow through a 1mm hole with a pressure difference of 1 bar is about 1.5 liters per minute. The filters may have been replaced.
  12. +4
    15 July 2025 07: 47
    I guess the next event like that will be a meeting on the moon between American and Chinese astronauts. Unless Donnie kills NASA.
  13. -1
    15 July 2025 08: 10
    Quote: Puncher
    No metal shavings were found in the ISS air filters, which means the drilling was done on the ground.

    You too, don't spread nonsense...how did the station's hull pass all sorts of checks at the exit control on the ground for leaks and hull strength with such holes?
    1. +4
      15 July 2025 09: 54
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      So, with such holes, did the station's hull pass all sorts of checks at the exit control on the ground for leaks and hull strength?

      The hole was sealed. And in zero gravity, it is impossible to remove metal shavings, no matter what. They do not gather in a pile at the bottom, but fly away as fine dust in all directions. For this reason, it is forbidden to use a slate pencil in zero gravity, because graphite crumbs fly away and can get between the contacts. And the ventilation on the ISS also acts as an air filter, collecting all the microparticles from the air, of which there are many. Therefore, leave the nonsense about a woman with a drill to flat-earthers and non-flyers.
      1. 0
        15 July 2025 10: 30
        Quote: Puncher
        For this reason, it is forbidden to use a slate pencil in zero gravity, because graphite crumbs fly around and can get between the contacts.

        And a drill is allowed. How interesting...
        It's sarcasm.
        The space drill was developed back in the distant Soviet Union. And the main problem is not the collection of shavings - although this was also provided for - but the compensation/reduction of the reactive moment.
        And in Soviet times, TM and even UT wrote about this.
        They told the details.
        And one drill for several diameters, which is now in all hardware stores, for thin metal - was also originally developed for space.
        1. +1
          15 July 2025 10: 34
          Quote: Vladimir-TTT
          Space drill developed

          You are "taking the story to the side streets", there are no shavings in the filters, so they drilled on the ground. There are no other options.
          1. -2
            15 July 2025 10: 36
            Chips in the drill's chip collector.
            1. +1
              15 July 2025 10: 39
              Quote: Vladimir-TTT
              Chips in the drill's chip collector.

              Yeah, every last one... Sounds very naive.
          2. -1
            15 July 2025 10: 51
            Quote: Puncher
            You are "taking the story to the side streets", there are no shavings in the filters, so they drilled on the ground. There are no other options.

            "Galloping across Europe" - to quickly get past an unpleasant episode and give a pre-agreed, ideologically correct answer.
          3. -1
            16 July 2025 03: 17
            Quote: Puncher
            You are "taking the story to the side streets", there are no shavings in the filters, so they drilled on the ground. There are no other options.


            Outside?
  14. -8
    15 July 2025 08: 56
    The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

    This event was shown live. As I remember now, one of our cosmonauts, when opening the hatch with astronauts, shouted: "They raped"...
    In subsequent reruns this was cut out, but the words proved prophetic.

    ps
    "Bolshevism is not a Russian variety of Marxism and not a party affiliation... Bolshevism existed before Marxism, existed in Russian Marxism, and somehow exists today. It will continue to exist."
    1. 0
      15 July 2025 09: 16
      Yeah and Putin, the Bolsheviks are fighting with the fighters. laughing
      1. -6
        15 July 2025 09: 31
        Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

        Quote: Essex62
        Yeah and Putin... Bolsheviks.

        "The essence of Bolshevism... is in the sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the working majority, who want no one to parasitize on their labor and life."

        You don't know what Putin has done for the people? Putin works for the interests of the majority and the majority reciprocates.
  15. 0
    15 July 2025 09: 09
    They collaborated in space for a long time, when politicians had already completely ignited the fire of PR hatred.
    They also delivered foreign cosmonauts after the Second World War.

    i.e. black PR is PR, but the money and projects went...

    If the Kremlin wants, it can switch the PR with a snap of its fingers. Something similar happened recently, when they seriously discussed cooperation in the Arctic, space, oil and gas... it was unlikely that this happened without the Kremlin's approval.

    IMHO, anything can happen. With a snap of the fingers. (as was the case with Endogan, the Afghan mujahideen, etc.). Only we and our parents may not live to see it...
  16. -1
    15 July 2025 10: 48
    Do you think we can do it again?

    You can't step into the same river twice.
  17. -3
    15 July 2025 12: 46
    I'm not an expert, but from a technical point of view, there are no obstacles, if the technical components of the docking modules have not been changed during this time.
    But from a political point of view.
    It all depends on the other side. Will they have the courage for this? So far, everything suggests that instead of astronauts and an outstretched friendly hand, our cosmonauts will see a "bomb in the air". sad
    And something tells me that this “meeting” will not be friendly. sad
    All we can do is develop in the space sphere in such a way that the Pindos Niki, having cast aside their squalor and arrogance, will “crawl” to us in order to once again tap into the “spring” of our knowledge, skills and achievements.
    1. +1
      15 July 2025 15: 33
      Now the Americans have no interest in doing this because they know more than enough about our space program and its limits, as well as about our space production. We cannot offer them anything new except ion engines and a space toilet, and what they need from us - they already have, because we will be very happy to sell it to them no matter how many sanctions they pile on us and everything else.
      This is not a question of political will or some kind of spherical humanism-technologicalism, for them it is a question of practical benefit, just like in the times of "Soyuz-Apollo". They packaged this candy, like their other goods, very well, just like in all this nonsense about "let's join hands and sing in the name of peace and prosperity", they know how to do it very well. But you can't come to them with the same nonsense - you can't fool a swindler with his own trick :-)
      We should come to terms with the fact that if we want to be in space, then it should be our specific cycle from A to Z, without outside observers and any “friendly” inclusions.
      Regarding the "source" of our skills and achievements - they are not impressed at all. They have Muscovite technologies, 1 super heavy and 2 more on the way, their devices are driving around Mars and already flying beyond the solar system, and in the foreseeable future they will return to the Moon. They have their own developments in engines and nuclear reactors (Kilopower) and solar batteries and a bunch of other things, they really have no need to maintain contacts with us outside the framework of the operation of the ISS and some orbital activities. We are in different leagues.
  18. +1
    15 July 2025 13: 26
    I read somewhere that they didn’t limit themselves to spacesuits.
    We had 6 (!!!) Soyuz built for this mission. The first one went in automatic mode, there was a malfunction during landing, orientation was lost at the moment of separation of the compartments. The reason was found quickly - there were new antennas for the new equipment, and when the pressure was released before the separation of the compartments, a stream of air hit this antenna. The solution to the problem was to move the pressure release valve. There were other adventures. In general, one "extra" ship flew as a regular Soyuz.
  19. +3
    15 July 2025 15: 16
    You know, it's quite a beautiful story, but it may actually have quite a practical content.
    We are talking about the 1970s, when the USSR had already failed the Moon race, but at the same time had a lot of relevant space developments and a lot of arrived petrogreens, supporting its space ambitions.
    The USSR had some very good developments in the Mars program, and also some very advanced developments at that time in automatic interplanetary stations, and there were risks that the USSR could get ahead of the USA in studying Mars or landing an automatic system (analogous to the Lunokhod), since the Mars program was basically breathing down the necks of the Mariners and Vikings. The USA itself was still in the extremely expensive and exhausting Vietnam War at that time, and therefore they didn't really need surprises in the space race with the USSR - America had spent a lot on the Apollos, and the delivery of lunar soil by the Soviet Luna-16, as well as the subsequent arrival and operation of Lunokhod-1 in 1970, in some sense nullified the scientific value of their manned expedition. They did not need a similar hemorrhoid on Mars, since it would require answers to this challenge (similar to the costly Lunar program), so for the purpose of a long-range analytical probe of Soviet space capabilities, analysis of technologies and nuances of competitive advantage - all this was started.

    It is important to understand that the Americans really don't like it when they have significant incomplete information. The Soviet space program infuriated them because they (starting with Sputnik and Gagarin) often had no idea what to expect tomorrow - so they "played the good guy" here, figuratively speaking, they brought us a Trojan horse. Our lag behind the US at that time had practically NO relation to space topics - it was a lag in other technologies, including microelectronics, the quality of manufacturing of some parts, etc. We could glean little of principle for ourselves from studying their projects and data (although, of course, it still had scientific value), also in view of the greater openness of the US space program (relative to the Soviet one). And vice versa - they received much more food for their analysis, intelligence information, direct study of Soviet space technologies and production through the study of samples and technical logic.
    Based on this, they understood the approximate boundaries of what could be expected from the USSR in the "space race" in the foreseeable future - this allowed them to approach their projects more targetedly and reduced uncertainty. The Americans realized that the USSR would not master Mars, this allowed them to approach its study more smoothly and still make it, but with significant savings and without strain.
    I believe that this was essentially a data trap that we seized on in the field of "détente" like a candy wrapper.

    As for "we can do it again" - oh, I have no doubt that "we can", it is quite in our spirit to stick our noses into the door from which they are trying to push us out. But do we need it? Don't we understand the trend that they are trying to separate us from technology? Don't we understand that we need to develop our own technology and we don't need to share it with various "good guys" who with one hand do something together with us, and with the other hammer out sanctions whose task is to stifle our ability to develop. We should not make this mistake again - peace-friendship-chewing gum, we have already gone through this. This lesson must be learned.
  20. 0
    15 July 2025 17: 19
    ISS

    Now, 50 years later, many in Russia are making fun of various theories, even to the point that the docking never happened, and the live broadcast of this event to the whole world is the same fake as the American landing on the moon.

    What, the author doesn't believe that the Americans were on the Moon?
  21. +2
    15 July 2025 18: 17
    "On the Soyuz, its composition and pressure were close to those on Earth, and on the Apollo, they breathed pure oxygen under a pressure of one-third of the atmosphere." - unfortunately, after this phrase, you can stop reading. The American manned space program began after the American spaceships "had composition and pressure close to those on Earth." The virtual world that the US is building and in which we have to live..
  22. +2
    15 July 2025 22: 45
    In the movie "The Martian" the Americans were already saved by the Chinese
  23. -1
    16 July 2025 23: 30
    Astronauts Thomas Stafford (left) and Donald Slayton hold a joke gift from Alexei Leonov

    Don't fly into space with rings on your fingers. It's basic safety precautions.
    Cosmonauts Alexei Leonov and Valery Kubasov after the landing of the spacecraft's descent module

    Wow, what cheerful people, standing and smiling. They should be in a pre-infarction state, lying down and barely able to speak.
    The whole EPAS thing is a movie, they weren't in space.
  24. 0
    17 July 2025 13: 29
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    The Americans realized that the USSR would not be able to reach Mars, which allowed them to approach its study more smoothly and still manage to do it, but with significant savings and without strain.


    Well, what's the use of this study? Purely academic interest.
    For us, for the US and all the others, the matter is limited to just "studying". And as for the real exploration of at least the Moon, it's like riding a scooter to the Moon.
    Humanity has really given up on the exploration of other cosmic bodies. The grapes are sour and will remain so for a long time. Progress is stalling, and very badly. We are not exploring the bottom of the World Ocean, nor space. We are stewing in our own juice and nothing more...
  25. 0
    15 September 2025 14: 02
    There can be no talk of any cooperation. The Americans do not observe any agreements, it is impossible to agree on anything with them. All our agreements with them end the same way - we are in the ass. So now everyone is for themselves. Only a national space program with a complete lack of imports.
  26. 0
    17 September 2025 08: 16
    Asya, the docking unit was developed by Soviet engineers. The Americans didn't have enough brains.