Why have there been fewer and fewer reports of strikes on Ukrainian rear facilities by Kalibr missiles lately: probable reasons

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Why have there been fewer and fewer reports of strikes on Ukrainian rear facilities by Kalibr missiles lately: probable reasons

Winged missiles "Kalibr" has long been one of the key tools of the Russian Armed Forces for strikes against enemy targets deep in the rear. These high-precision munitions are capable of traveling up to 2,6 thousand kilometers, carrying a warhead weighing up to 500 kg. Their main advantage is the ability to launch from ships, submarines and ground installations, which makes "Kalibr" universal weapons to hit distant targets.

However, in recent months, reports of their use in the conflict in Ukraine have become much less frequent. While previously missiles of this type were regularly used to strike energy infrastructure, military warehouses and command posts of the enemy, now their use has noticeably decreased.



This raises questions: Why has such a powerful weapon become less active?

One of the possible reasons put forward by experts is a change in the tactics of application. Black Sea fleet Russia, from where Kalibr missiles have traditionally been launched against Ukrainian Armed Forces targets, is facing serious threats.

Following the loss of several ships, including the flagship Moskva, and Ukraine's active use of naval drones and missiles, Russian ships are forced to stay further away from their usual deployment location. This reduces the effective missile deployment zone, since launching from greater distances requires route adjustments and more preparation time.

Another version is the strengthening of the Ukrainian DefenseWestern supplies, including the Patriot and IRIS-T systems, have significantly increased the ability to intercept cruise missiles. At the same time, the Kalibr missiles fly at subsonic speeds, making them easier to detect and destroy with modern anti-aircraft systems.

If at the beginning of the SVO, Ukrainian forces could intercept only a part of the launched missiles, now the percentage of shot down Kalibrs could increase, making their use less effective. And if the effectiveness is less for expensive missiles, then why, as they say, pay more when there are UAVs that cost several times less?

However, a scenario of accumulation for large-scale strikes is also possible. In the past, the Russian army has already demonstrated the tactic of “missile pauses” followed by massive attacks. If the Kalibrs are now used selectively, this could mean preparation for a new large-scale wave of strikes on the enemy’s critical infrastructure in the foreseeable future.

Finally, we should not exclude the option (and it has been mentioned) with the Geran-2 drones, which have proven their highest efficiency, are several times cheaper than the Kalibrs and are easier to produce. At the same time, they cope with their task, destroying enemy targets deep in the rear, which makes the use of expensive cruise missiles inappropriate.

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  1. + 15
    14 July 2025 14: 01
    Probably because Kalibr missiles are fairly easy targets to intercept, and they are quite expensive. It seems that the subsonic niche is firmly occupied by drones instead of cruise missiles, and missiles are left with a more difficult-to-intercept ballistic and hypersonic niche for hitting urgent/important/complex point targets.
    The calibers may be useful against an enemy with poorer quality air defense or none at all, such as ISIS in Syria.
    1. -1
      14 July 2025 14: 07
      Since when did cruise missiles become easy targets to intercept?
      1. + 15
        14 July 2025 14: 13
        Quote: Lemon
        Since when did cruise missiles become easy targets to intercept?

        If the terrain is flat, what's so difficult? The radar cross-section is decent, the speed is low, and the number of targets is usually limited.
        1. +1
          15 July 2025 19: 10
          All that's left is for air defense to be everywhere, with a fighter with a MANPADS under every bush. And as for the Kh-101s that flew to Lutsk the other day without incident and no one shot them down, they just didn't want to. fellow
          1. 0
            17 July 2025 23: 18
            The problem with using Kalibrs from the Black Sea is that they approach the enemy coast... from the sea. That is, over a perfectly flat surface with relatively high banks in the Odessa area. Therefore, ground-based radars are capable of detecting targets in WWI at distances of approximately 35-50 km. But these are ground-based radars. And in the air, after the ships go out to sea for missile launches, NATO AWACS aircraft are already hanging and providing the Ukrainian air defense with full guidance of the cruise missiles from the launch to the detection lines of ground-based air defense systems or air defense fighter radars. As a result, the Kalibrs turn out to be fairly simple targets for air defense over the sea surface and it is absolutely impossible to achieve any element of surprise. Perhaps only by launches from submarines, but their exit to the sea is also recorded, after which NATO submarine aircraft appear over the sea.
            Of course, it is possible to lay a cruise missile route over the waters of the Sea of Azov with an approach to targets through the LBS. But in this case, they will have to overcome the air defense lines of not only the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but also the Russian Air Defense Forces... and air defense personnel are a nervous bunch these days and can blow up their own missiles. In short, it's a pain in the ass and a low target achievement rate. Therefore, VB cruise missiles are better, which are also low-noise, and have a much higher chance of hitting targets. That's what they mostly fly.
            In addition, "Kalibr" missiles are currently being accumulated for future battles with NATO, for arming new Navy ships and SSNs, non-nuclear submarines in all fleets. In theory, the nuclear cruiser "Nakhimov" is already undergoing sea trials, and it should also have cruise missiles laid down in its BC and shore arsenal. Not only "Kalibr", but them too. In addition, land-based TPUs for "Kalibr" missiles should already be arriving/entering service in missile brigades (we have at least 12 such brigades), they also need to form BCs. And they are not yet in great demand for firing by ships from the Black Sea.
            Quote from alexoff
            The X-101s flew to Lutsk the other day without any problems and no one shot them down

            The Ukrainian Air Defense is very much depleted in SAMs and missiles, and NATO arsenals are too. The Geraniums are doing their job, and the Geranium-3 with turbojet engines added to the jazz of their air defense with their high speed and altitude... they are no longer enough in terms of firepower, and there are catastrophically few SAMs.
            The air offensive continues, the enemy's air defenses are being depleted and we have more and more means for air strikes. This is a good sign.
      2. +7
        14 July 2025 17: 30
        Quote: Lemon
        Since when did cruise missiles become easy targets to intercept?

        And when were they heavy targets? I mean subsonic non-stealth. They fall in droves from electronic warfare (like Tomahawks in Syria), and are successfully shot down by Ukrainian air defense. Money down the drain, that's all.
      3. +3
        15 July 2025 16: 53
        "...Russian ships are forced to stay further away from their usual deployment location..." And since when did warships become ships?
        1. 0
          19 August 2025 21: 41
          Since they stopped fighting.
      4. -1
        18 July 2025 10: 32
        From any time. This is a large target with a large EPR, moving at low speed and having large maneuver limitations.
    2. -11
      14 July 2025 14: 13
      Quote: 123_123
      Probably because Kalibrs are fairly easy targets to intercept, and they cost a lot.

      Calibers have never been and will never be "easy targets". Because they fly low and follow the terrain.
      1. -3
        14 July 2025 14: 34
        Quote: Vladislav_V
        Calibers have never been and will never be "easy targets". Because they fly low and follow the terrain.

        That's right, you can't call the "Caliber" a flying target.
        "In this case, during the flight section such a missile should move at subsonic speed, and already during the final section near the target it will gain acceleration to 2,7-2,9 M. After launch, on the way to the target, the missiles move along a ballistic or complex non-linear trajectory, taking into account the terrain and the movement of the target. During the final section, the missile's flight takes place at a low altitude (10-20 meters)." (c)

        https://ru.ruwiki.ru/wiki/Калибр_(ракета)
        1. +7
          14 July 2025 17: 42
          Montezuma, this describes the scheme for defeating sea targets. At a height of 10-20 m it will count all the trees above the land :))
        2. -1
          15 July 2025 09: 12
          Don't read nonsense. Calibers fly over land at an altitude of 200-300 meters and do not go around anything. They are shot down even by MANPADS and a slingshot, a useless flying tube.
        3. +3
          15 July 2025 11: 54
          At an altitude of 10 meters at a speed of almost three Mach (kilometer per second) on the final leg? That's impossible.
        4. +6
          15 July 2025 12: 46
          Quote: Montezuma
          and already on the last segment near the target it will accelerate to 2,7-2,9 M.

          Only anti-ship missiles fly like this (with acceleration). But cruise missiles fly at a constant speed.
      2. +5
        14 July 2025 14: 42
        Calibers have never been and never will be “easy targets”.

        remind me of that not-so-distant time when the mattresses in Syria tried to destroy everything with their sea-based "axes"?
        and how many of them were shot down by us, the Syrians?
        How many of them were planted using electronic warfare?
        or are their axes much worse than our calibers?
        1. +2
          14 July 2025 14: 45
          We won't know the truth about that story anytime soon.
          1. +5
            14 July 2025 14: 47
            nevertheless, it was planted and we got it (not just one axe), and dozens of cruise missiles were shot down, which caused visible confusion on that side
            1. +1
              15 July 2025 18: 54
              Quote: Dedok
              nevertheless, it was planted and we got it (not just one axe), and dozens of cruise missiles were shot down, which caused visible confusion on that side

              When publishing something like this, one should remember "The Ballad of the Battle of the Mighty Giant "Khibiny" with the Weak Child "Donald Cook" and the Cowardly Dwarves Running from Him"!
              This was not a victory of Russian arms, but a mass psychosis. The same as "who doesn't jump is a Muscovite".
              And may Rus' not become depleted... of naive faith in miracles.
        2. +3
          15 July 2025 09: 09
          There are some big doubts about electronic warfare against cruise missiles.
          The flight is carried out using inertial navigation with correction based on the relief map.
          Unless it creates interference for the radio altimeter
      3. +7
        15 July 2025 00: 14
        Yeah, I wonder what kind of relief they're skirting in Ukraine? Flat?
      4. +6
        15 July 2025 11: 38
        You underestimate Western surveillance and identification systems. They see every missile launch and flight path and transmit it in real time.
        1. -3
          15 July 2025 11: 51
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          You underestimate Western surveillance and identification systems. They see every missile launch and flight path and transmit it in real time.

          Did you write this in the context of "why aren't they bombing Bankova"? Or "it's something else"?
          1. +5
            15 July 2025 11: 58
            In the context that they have air defense systems working. What's the point of bombing Bankovaya if there are much higher priority targets. PVR, enterprises, logistics. And we don't have a thousand missiles at the same time to break through, say, a couple of hundred.
            1. +1
              15 July 2025 16: 34
              Still, out of 1000 missiles, they won't shoot down 700-800, they won't have enough strength. Geraniums don't shoot down everything. And there are a thousand of them and no one launches them all at once. Everything is probably much more complicated here...
            2. -3
              17 July 2025 23: 17
              [b][/b]What's the point of bombing Bankova if there are much higher priority targets?[i][/i]
              Tell this to Israel.
      5. 0
        18 July 2025 10: 33
        Where did you find the relief of the terrain on the water surface of the Black Sea? Or over the Dnieper plains? And that's the only way they fly.
        1. -2
          18 July 2025 10: 55
          I apologize, but is the landscape of Ukraine a reason to say that the Kalibr is a bad missile?
    3. +5
      15 July 2025 08: 59
      It is unlikely, most likely there are fewer and fewer valuable targets that can be hit by cruise missiles. Bombs with extended-range wings are appearing... the Su-34s themselves have begun to fly further due to the reduction in the number of Patriot air defense missile systems.. and for simple targets it is still unknown what is more effective - 5 Geran-2 (with individual guidance of 50-100 kg) or 1 unit of 480 kg for cruise missiles.
      1. -3
        15 July 2025 09: 13
        for simple targets it is still unknown what is more effective - 5 pieces of Geranium-2 (with individual guidance of 50-100 kg) or 1 piece of 480 kg for the KR.

        I think that Geranium: KVO will be larger and thus the result is "more extensive"...
        and if a penetrating effect is needed, then CR is apparently not used....
        1. +3
          15 July 2025 09: 17
          With the growth of Geranium production, a swarm of 1000 Geraniums will hang over cities every day, and CR, BR and Dagger will fly to specific important points. Depending on the urgency/depth and the required reaction time (I think that all stages of missile equipment are tracked online by the enemy)
          1. -1
            15 July 2025 09: 19
            (I think that all stages of missile equipment are tracked online by the enemy)

            air and sea based...
            I don't think there is such a thing with Geraniums...
            1. +4
              15 July 2025 09: 21
              Yes, but he tracks geraniums differently. And Geranium is good in any case:
              If they shoot it down - the missile will be consumed, if they don't shoot it down - the return will be 50-100 kg, and in both cases the load on the ELINT (they need to be monitored)
      2. +1
        15 July 2025 19: 08
        KRs fly quite well and quite often. The Caliber probably costs more than the Kh-101, since it is naval and requires an additional booster. And the Kh-101 with the same engine takes off from a strategist from any angle - from the south or from the north.
        1. +1
          15 July 2025 22: 29
          X101 seems to be more expensive and heavier
          1. 0
            16 July 2025 00: 19
            It is more expensive, but it flies all the time? It is bigger because it has a different body shape, more kerosene and a bigger wing, I think it is not too expensive in serial production. The engine is the same, the control system is most likely very close.
            1. 0
              16 July 2025 09: 21
              There is more kerosene and the range is higher.... And, as is customary in the Russian Federation, everything is different there, both the turbojet engine and the Brain. And we don't have many launchers for cruise missiles. Only the Iskander land-based ones (they have their own R500), small missile ships and diesel-electric submarines on the Black Sea Fleet and strategic ones
              1. 0
                16 July 2025 12: 33
                There is more kerosene there
                Oh, I beg you - the launchers eat even more fuel! It's all pennies. Although in our Ministry of Defense they can buy kerosene for the price of silver
                And we don’t have many launchers for the CR.
                Well, we launch a couple dozen a week, the PU is more than enough
                And, as is customary in Russia, everything is different there and TRD
                According to Wikipedia, it's the same. And on all sorts of X-59s, it's also the same.
    4. 2al
      -4
      15 July 2025 14: 06
      The Kalibr warhead is excessive for most targets and insufficient for expensive and complex ones, such as protected bunkers. To defeat them, they are forced to use the Kh-22, which has a thicker warhead and is also penetrating.
      As an anti-ship missile, the Kalibr is still applicable, but it is certainly an order of magnitude cheaper to demolish unprotected ground workshops and hangars with Geraniums. Well, it is appropriate to add that the Navy is being rearmed with Zircons, and Kalibr is already a thing of the past.
    5. 0
      16 July 2025 13: 20
      Well, in general, it’s not good to lump together speeds of 150-200 km/h and 800 km/h in the same “subsonic” category.
      (and, accordingly, the difficulty of intercepting such targets, the speed of which differs several times)
    6. 0
      16 July 2025 20: 20
      They're just hoarding them, dude!!! To hit massively, like a thousand at a time
  2. -14
    14 July 2025 14: 08
    "Kalibr" are suitable for chasing Basmachi, and if the enemy has at least some more or less decent air defense, they turn out to be, if not a dud, then extremely ineffective
    1. +5
      14 July 2025 14: 38
      Quote: Pashka Kolokolnikov
      "Kalibr" are suitable for chasing Basmachi, and if the enemy has at least some more or less decent air defense, they turn out to be, if not a dud, then extremely ineffective

      Yeah, they can be easily knocked down with a slingshot or jars of cucumbers. lol
      1. -2
        15 July 2025 07: 47
        Yeah, they can be easily knocked down with a slingshot or jars of cucumbers

        Come on, stop being sarcastic. You understood perfectly well what we were talking about when we talked about air defense systems like Patriot and IRIS-T.
        1. +4
          15 July 2025 08: 27
          Quote: private person
          Come on, stop being sarcastic. You understand perfectly well.

          Well, yes, of course, it's normal to talk about "Basmachi", but a jar of cucumbers is not allowed.)))
  3. +3
    14 July 2025 14: 18
    All the main reasons are covered. The main thing: the tasks of the Calibers can be solved by the Geranis much cheaper, the Calibers need to be accumulated, this is not the production of sausages (although Khrushchev made analogies, but he is a valuator), in order to launch a hundred of them at the right moment immediately after the suppression of air defense during a combined attack.
    Moreover, although the author mentioned something about the losses of the fleet, not a single Caliber carrier was lost.
    The fleet is fully capable of delivering strikes with these weapons.
    And as for his losses, in my personal opinion, I am still not “some kind of jerk from the fleet,” as G. Rasputin put it, laughing from lousy management, and not from the dominance of BEKs and PKRs.
    Several dozen stabilized machine gun mounts on ships, the use of drones and ATGMs for reconnaissance and destruction of the BEK, and we could have avoided many losses. The cruiser Moskva perished with all its Vulcans, relatively close to the shore. For what purpose did it go there, and not fire them at the Odessa port from a distance of 500 km, as was intended when these systems were adopted? The MRK also perished with anti-tank missiles on board, but without the task of using them against enemy ships or coastal facilities. And so on and so forth.
    1. UAT
      -1
      14 July 2025 15: 33
      The Black Sea Fleet brilliantly repeats its last operation of the Patriotic War in a modern version.
    2. -1
      14 July 2025 17: 50
      Quote: Alekseev
      Calibers need to be accumulated... so that at the right moment you can launch a hundred of them at once.

      It would be better to stop/reduce production of Calibers and switch to production of Zircons and X-101s. IMHO.
    3. 0
      15 July 2025 16: 43
      P-1000 Vulcan most likely hits further than 500 km. Perhaps you confused it with Granit?
    4. 0
      15 July 2025 16: 45
      Calibers and auto chassis can be launched. And they are available.
    5. 0
      24 July 2025 21: 52
      Quote: Alekseev
      not a single Caliber carrier was lost

      19.05.2024/22800/270 MRK "Cyclone" (142), three ATACMS ballistic missiles with MXNUMX or MXNUMX missiles in Sevastopol, preliminarily destroyed as a result of direct hits and detonation of the Pantsir-M air defense missile and anti-aircraft gun ammunition.

      04.11.2023/22800/24 MRK "Askold" (XNUMX), three ALCM Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG with Su-XNUMXM IB in Kerch, received heavy damage, is under repair with a cut-off superstructure.
  4. -1
    14 July 2025 14: 34
    They are being saved for their respected Western partners. But of course, Geranis will not replace full-fledged cruise missiles. Neither in terms of damage inflicted (the last shots from Lutsk were clear), nor in terms of range.
    1. +3
      15 July 2025 10: 09
      Quote: Vulpes
      They are being saved for their respected Western partners. But of course, Geranis will not replace full-fledged cruise missiles. Neither in terms of damage inflicted (the last shots from Lutsk were clear), nor in terms of range.

      There is probably some truth in your words. Somehow they overlook the fact that in connection with the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO, the length of the border of contact with the bloc countries has increased by more than 1000 km, and the relations with the bloc themselves increasingly resemble intensive preparation for war. Based on the current situation and considering that Geranki also cope well with operational tasks, it probably makes sense to "work for the warehouse" and in case of an escalation of the situation have a decent reserve that assumes their intensive use in combination with excessive loading of the enemy's air defense with cheaper targets. As an option. winked
  5. +5
    14 July 2025 14: 36
    . one should not exclude the option (and it has been mentioned) with the Geranium-2 drones, which have proven their highest efficiency and are several times cheaper than the Kalibrs

    Simple logistics... why spend more?
    And we will still need the Calibers...
  6. 0
    14 July 2025 14: 46
    Combat operations during the SVO became the driving force in developing new tactics for using various types of weapons. Small-sized aircraft came to the forefront, having high efficiency at a very low cost.
    As for the Calibers, they quickly became morally obsolete. The reasons are given in the article.
    The development of modern air defense and missile defense systems has largely devalued the importance of these missiles in modern combat conditions.
    The theater of military operations now requires not so much stealth as high-speed attack weapons. The era of hypersonics has arrived.
    However, they are quite applicable in “non-technological” sections of the front, especially when used en masse, when the first wave “discharges” the enemy’s weapons, and the subsequent ones do their job.
    Thus, war becomes more and more expensive.
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    1. +1
      15 July 2025 16: 49
      Please excuse me... Porthos didn't write, he was drinking. No need to drag Porthos into this. hi
      1. UAT
        0
        15 July 2025 18: 05
        Porthos, when asked: "Why are you fighting?" answered: "I fight because I fight." So, Porthos is quite on topic, there is no need to drag him into the story.
  8. +2
    14 July 2025 15: 31
    It seems that the tasks that the "Kalibr" solves can also be solved by drones. And much cheaper
  9. +1
    14 July 2025 15: 49
    Finally realized that it was pointless. wink

    7 kg of bombs were dropped on Dresden, a city of half a million people. It burned down.
    To burn down a half-million Lviv, you need 14 Calibers.

    1 Caliber = $300
    In total, 4 billion are needed for Lvov alone. And then we still need to produce these 14 missiles and make them fly. wink
    1. -1
      15 July 2025 00: 18
      If 1000 calibers reach Lviv, the city will be reduced to dust. But 14000 will be enough for the whole of Western Ukraine. More than enough.
      1. +3
        15 July 2025 07: 44
        If 1000 calibers reach Lviv, the city will be reduced to dust. But 14000 will be enough for the whole of Western Ukraine. More than enough.

        It seems so. If we count half a ton of TNT in a rocket, then 1 Caliber = 2 sorties of a "Stuka" with a half-ton bomb (there is 2 times less explosive there). Total - 2000 sorties.

        It took the Germans about 8000 sorties to take Stalingrad.

        That is, 1000 Calibers is a third of Lviv. hi
    2. 0
      15 July 2025 16: 52
      There are many options to destroy Lvov. Cheaper ones and missiles... 1?2?
      1. 0
        15 July 2025 18: 25
        There are many options to destroy Lvov. Cheaper ones and missiles... 1?2?

        Exactly. That's what Kalibrs are made for. And not so that half a ton of TNT with a carrier for many bucks would kill the stoker Mykola at the Lviv thermal power plant. laughing
        1. 0
          15 July 2025 18: 28
          And this is the correct answer, go to the next round)
    3. 0
      15 July 2025 19: 16
      In total, 4 billion is needed for Lviv alone.
      you know, it's not like this is an impossible amount of money for the country feel
      Although I think about two hundred missiles will send Lvov to the 19th century where needed. lol
      And it’s cheaper to do something about the enemy’s air defense and start high-altitude carpet bombing.
  10. -7
    14 July 2025 18: 49
    Because NATO has tens of thousands of tomahawks aimed at us? How are we going to respond?
    1. +8
      14 July 2025 19: 29
      Quote: ultimatesochi
      NATO has tens of thousands of tomahawks aimed at us

      Hundreds of thousands. Even millions. Watch the hands:

      Quote: BGM-109 Tomahawk
      Units produced: 7302 (as of 2024, production continues)

      According to the US Air Force's Special Summary Report on the Gulf War, the Army fired 297 missiles

      And there were also expenses, more modest, up to a hundred, several times. Tens of thousands, aimed at us. Ugh.
    2. +1
      15 July 2025 00: 19
      About 5000 pieces. Not a few either... But certainly not tens of thousands...
    3. 0
      15 July 2025 16: 58
      If NATO had tens of thousands of Tomahawks, all their printing houses would print dollars on newsprint, not newspapers and books.
  11. +4
    14 July 2025 19: 05
    The caliber is, of course, very good.
    But this is not a panacea. They are shot down enough (let's not deny it and hide our heads in the sand). And they (Kalibrs) are expensive.
    Shaheds (Geranium) are cheap. But the beneficial effect from them is not very great.
    Let's be honest with ourselves - only aviation and air supremacy over enemy territory can solve almost all issues.
    And fpv will practically disappear, because if aviation dominates the air, then drone operators will be dead.
    Nooooo, this is not about us.
  12. +1
    15 July 2025 05: 15
    The destruction of the cruiser Moskva and the activity of the BEKs could not in any way influence the use of the Kalibr cruise missiles.
    The cruiser was not armed with "Kalibr", and given their range, it is possible to creep, even from the Caspian Sea. The geographical location of the "territory of Ukraine", modernization and cheapness of production of "Geraniya", allows to strike the entire territory with the least expenses. The last time during a combined attack, all types of cruise missiles were used, both air and sea-based.
  13. +1
    15 July 2025 07: 05
    A bit strange conclusions... the thing is that there are practically no large targets left, a garage with a workshop and a 3D printer to attack with a Caliber or Onyx is somehow not rational if there are a couple of Geraniums. And calibers with heavy warheads should be kept ready for our partners, they just have airfields, ports and factories for the production of Eurofighters and Tauruses
    1. 0
      15 July 2025 19: 40
      No targets left?? Are you kidding? There are still targets for 5000-7000 calibers, if only there was a political decision!
      1. 0
        15 July 2025 19: 52
        Geranis are just right for such purposes, but Calibers are for Western friends (who should be put in a museum).
      2. 0
        16 July 2025 06: 16
        Quote: Andrey_10
        There are still 5000-7000 caliber targets there, if only there was a political decision!

        Calibers were probably made 2 or 3 times less than this number. But they should be saved for our respected partners in nuclear performance such as Poland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, the Czech Republic and Bulgaria. For Bulgaria alone, it will be necessary to use up 2 months of missiles produced if we want to stop the supply of ammunition from Bulgaria against Russia.
  14. 0
    15 July 2025 07: 15
    Kalibrs were originally anti-ship missiles. But practice has shown that they cannot even destroy a bridge. What is good for a ship is weak for something capital. This is another reason for not using them.
    1. +3
      15 July 2025 17: 02
      If you need to destroy a bridge, you can launch not just one missile at one bull, but 1, 5, 10,15. And there will be no bridge.
  15. +1
    15 July 2025 09: 18
    It is very good that there were bright minds who understood that the concept of "pinpoint/high-precision" strikes on the rear in a war of even medium intensity failed. In order to inflict sensitive damage on the enemy, if not to use nuclear weapons, massive strikes are needed. And in modern conditions, this is only UAVs with a large range. The mass use of which will allow not to "blow" the imagination of targets, but to inflict real damage on these targets.
    In the current war, whoever can launch 1000 UAVs with a warhead of 100 kg every night will win the war.
    1. 0
      15 July 2025 10: 28
      And what kind of capital structure or deep bunker is capable of destroying a UAV?
      1. -1
        15 July 2025 10: 47
        Firstly, it is about the same as the cruise missile, especially since the warhead of the new Geraniums is 300 kg. Secondly, it is much better to shoot specifically at bunkers with ballistics or hypersonic weapons. But for real damage to military-industrial complex facilities, massive raids are needed; many UAVs with warheads from 100 kg can cause this damage.
        1. 0
          15 July 2025 17: 21
          Quote: alovrov
          especially since the new geraniums have a weight of 300 kg.

          Come on.
          Quote: alovrov
          Many UAVs with warheads weighing 100 kg or more can cause this damage.

          They can't. Why is there more damage to a building - if you throw a huge boulder at it or a pile of small rubble?
  16. +1
    15 July 2025 11: 52
    Can you identify the author of this very exciting material?
  17. +1
    15 July 2025 14: 54
    The caliber is expensive.
    Geranium - no.
    And apparently, among other things, there are no suitable targets (except for hydroelectric power plants/thermal power plants).

    Here they send clouds from Geranium.
  18. 0
    15 July 2025 16: 11
    Quote: Vladislav_V
    Quote: 123_123
    Probably because Kalibrs are fairly easy targets to intercept, and they cost a lot.

    Calibers have never been and will never be "easy targets". Because they fly low and follow the terrain.

    "Low and hugging the terrain" was cool 40-50 years ago. Technology is moving forward
    1. 0
      15 July 2025 17: 05
      Where in Ukraine is there a terrain skirting, except for the Carpathians?
  19. 0
    15 July 2025 16: 13
    So it looks like new, more interesting and significant goals will appear soon, probably, or maybe not - everything is in the hands of the Almighty... but we must prepare.... however!
    1. 0
      15 July 2025 17: 11
      "It looks like new, more interesting and significant targets will appear soon"... such "targets" are not fools, they fight with the hands of others. It is easier to print a dozen billion euros or (and) dollars than to shit on the battlefield.
  20. -2
    15 July 2025 18: 54
    It's just that the Kalibrs have shown their ineffectiveness. Subsonic missiles are good against Papuans in slippers
  21. 0
    15 July 2025 18: 56
    Quote: Dmitry Eon
    A bit strange conclusions... the thing is that there are practically no large targets left, a garage with a workshop and a 3D printer to attack with a Caliber or Onyx is somehow not rational if there are a couple of Geraniums. And calibers with heavy warheads should be kept ready for our partners, they just have airfields, ports and factories for the production of Eurofighters and Tauruses

    What about thermal power plants, nuclear power plants, railway junctions?? Etc.??
  22. +1
    15 July 2025 19: 24
    [forced to stay further away from their usual location]
    The Black Sea Fleet ships are deployed in Sevastopol, Novorossiysk, etc. And they fire missiles from firing positions. What would it cost a submarine (a "black hole" according to some writers) to covertly turn to the missile launch area, deliver its strike, break away from the missile launch site, and covertly return to its deployment point?
  23. 0
    15 July 2025 23: 51
    Perhaps modernization is being carried out based on the results of use. New ones are arriving, and old releases are sent to the manufacturer. Especially since geraniums cope.
    1. 0
      16 July 2025 11: 03
      I doubt that the "old" ones are still available, given the intensity of their use.
  24. +1
    16 July 2025 03: 57
    Since the beginning of the SVO, videos have been published with calibers flying over targets.. visually they fly low and relatively slowly... there was even a meme about how one of them was shot down by an old woman throwing a jar of cucumbers.. i.e. caliber is a relatively simple target, considering the saturation of 404 transmitted air defense systems.. now geraniums cope, as it seems to me, much more effectively.. firstly, they are cheaper, secondly, they fly higher and are more difficult to shoot down... so there is nothing terrible in reducing the launches of calibers, even the opposite... geraniums are already launching almost a thousand (well, screw it, let it be less, but still this figure is quite achievable), but with calibers it is almost impossible to achieve such indicators due to the high cost..
  25. 0
    16 July 2025 11: 01
    In my opinion, everything is obvious here. No one has cancelled the potential conflict with Europe, that is why there is an accumulation of missiles, which are more effective in comparison with drones like "Geran".
  26. 0
    16 July 2025 20: 15
    Other missiles are also used to a small extent: "Kinzhals", Kh-101, etc. Of course, "Geran" is much cheaper and their use instead of cruise missiles seems more expedient. But, perhaps, the missiles are saved for the case of serious international complications.
  27. 0
    17 July 2025 05: 26
    What's the point? If the fleet is locked in Novorossiysk? It's more profitable to use the aviation X101.
  28. 0
    17 July 2025 16: 24
    Quote: Pasha Novik
    Since when did warships become ships?

    A matter of taste! It's like arguing about "walk" and "swim". It doesn't change the essence, but it warms someone's heart.
  29. 0
    17 July 2025 16: 30
    Quote: Dimax
    the fleet is locked in Novorossiysk

    2600 km. It doesn't matter, Novorossiysk, Sevastopol, etc. ISIS was hit by Kalibr missiles from the Caspian Sea. The question is really about the price of the product, the complexity of tracking to the target (EW), and perhaps, in stockpiling for other tasks. We also keep in mind the special warheads...