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Contactless martial arts: another myth

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Learning to own at least one of the energy techniques of contract-free martial arts is a tempting offer. What is this - another adventurous way of earning unscrupulous people or a breakthrough in man’s mastering the technique of using energy fields?

So far, the following facts are known: there are a lot of commercials for staged contactless fights, links to video courses and manuals for beginning fighters of a unique oriental type of martial arts - contactless combat. A large number of young guys who believe in the possibility of learning the unique method of martial arts, spend significant sums of money to pay for classes with the newly-minted Sensei. The guys spend their valuable time on training in martial arts, the specialists for which have never publicly fought with the real fighters. Yes, it was their own choice, but perhaps it is time to openly tell the truth about such a “virtual” method of struggle as a contactless battle.

Let's start with a simple one: did anyone see a real contact, not a staged fight, a contactless person (waving and hand passes in films are not considered)? Could you imagine that in a street fight one of the fighters would “scatter” his enemies with just a wave of his hand (or, at least, his legs) or by turning his head? Are the facts of the victory of the “energy warrior” over the armed man, etc., known?

Until now, only teachers' fights with their students, who pay a lot of money to their mentors for science, are available for viewing. True, the Internet posted one of the fights of kickboxer with contactless. But when viewing, the results of energy strikes are not visible, except that the masterly possession of avoiding real fighter-kickboxer attacks. But this cannot be called a real fight, because mastering the skill of avoiding enemy attacks is one of the exercises that is practiced in all martial arts sections. On the available publicly available video materials, no one saw the long-awaited miracle of technology. Maybe the noncontactor "was ashamed" or did not want to demonstrate the secret methods of the fight. But any dispute can be resolved in a simple way - to go to the carpet and prove for all the reality of the existence of such an interesting and tempting method of hand-to-hand fighting, such as contactless combat, against a specialist of any kind of contact martial art.

Unfortunately, we often witness the scams that artificially surround a halo of secrecy, election and inaccessibility. Newly-born contactless teachers refer to their chosenness and special abilities to master the power methods of hand-to-hand combat. A very convenient position - if you succeed, it means that you are just as elected as they are, and if not, it means that you are not given to comprehend the methods, and even more the peaks, of the energy methods of contactless defense and attack.

The fact that all the media are involved in promoting information about the existence of energy contactless martial art is not surprising. The mass media will advertise any nonsense for money (think of advertising "MMM", drugs for all illnesses, cigarettes, alcohol, etc.). And the customers of this information are confident that they will more than return the money spent on advertising by attracting new trainees to their schools, sections, etc. Moreover, the promotion of any, even delusional, ideas has now become much simpler: highly professional specialists in organizing PR campaigns have appeared, journalists are ready to write materials on any topic (as long as they pay money), agencies for the selection of actors and extras will gladly provide any organization with their wards for shooting staged video. So the average person also feeds the young people with fairy tales that the contactless person easily, without touching his rivals, throws the attackers at him or disarms the armed special forces with one pass to the teeth.

After such skilful handling, a mass of people are knocking down the shaft into the contactless sections, carrying their money, for the right to possess secret power struggle skills. Youths already in their imagination see how easy they defeat their enemies in street fights. They are enthusiastically ready to blindly follow the advice of their latter-day instructors, mastering the methods of meditation and control over their own biofield under their vigilant eye, train their “special” look, learn to concentrate and control the mysterious energy. They try to pronounce correctly and try to understand a lot of unusual and beautiful words - energy flows, the upper and lower energy channels, etc. Sensei hammered their students into the head, carefully prepared a beautiful fairy tale that the Ancient East is the birthplace of contactless combat. It was there, over the millennia, that a technique was developed to develop the strength of mind and thought, which are the basis of the ability to conduct an energy contactless hand-to-hand battle. That according to this secret method, Russian special forces soldiers are trained. Newly-minted Sensei are ready to transfer the ability to conduct an effective contactless battle to anyone who wishes, but for a fee, of course.

This idle talk occupies most of the time the student. And it lasts until the student has run out of money or patience. In an edification to the remaining students, Sensei, in the event of the departure of the next listener, argues that the comrade who had left them could not reach the proper level of enlightenment (a very convenient and not provable wording).

But is it safe to cheat with the training of young people contactless martial arts? As a result of their training, with an empty waving of their hands, of course, no one gets hurt, “sparing partners” go home without bruises and cuts, but the harm from such machinations and showing off is still huge. Young guys, instead of mastering real military specialties and fire training, spend time on empty training in submission and use in combat with the enemy of their energy field. How many lives can such a false science carry in real, cruel, not for life, but for death, in battle?

By the way, there is a video on the Internet, where an ordinary fighter easily fought off Sensei-contactless in open battle in the ring (see video). Only such true information is not as advertised as the commercial projects of a large number of schools, sections, or groups for training in contactless martial arts.

Materials used:
http://russznahar.narod.ru/combat.htm
http://www.fire70.ru/beskontaktnii-boi.htm


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  1. Alex45
    Alex45 April 16 2013 07: 57 New
    +1
    The topic is interesting, and I want to know the opposite point of view. If there is someone who came across Kadochnikov’s system, please comment, it seems that there is also a contactless direction.
    And the author’s comparison with MMM is not correct, because in the financial pyramids, a smaller part of people received what they came for, i.e. increase in their contributions and this attracted new investors. If this scheme is followed, then the first student who came to the contactless combat section should be trained in real actions (with obtaining the declared skills) and understand this himself in order to bring more 10 newcomers to take money from, but not to train.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 08: 05 New
      12
      power struggle !!

      1. Fox
        Fox April 16 2013 09: 00 New
        18
        Quote: Yarbay
        power struggle !!

        incorrect video! Aikido will tear any sucker! (the main thing is that I wouldn’t resist ... but it’s a smaller font on the last page of the advertisement.) wink I myself was engaged in sambo and boxing. Sometimes and now I am mating with judokas and hand-to-hand fighting. The Soviet school rules!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 16 2013 09: 06 New
          18
          Quote: Fox
          Soviet school rules!

          I agree)))))))
          I remember in one western country we went into a fashionable gym, my comrade himself is a wonderful athlete, a repeated champion, having looked at the locker room and said in all the halls that the real champion wouldn’t grow up, I asked why you think so, he said there wasn’t sweat smell)))))))) )))
        2. Gari
          Gari April 16 2013 09: 53 New
          +9
          Quote: Fox
          I myself was engaged in sambo and boxing. Sometimes and now I am mating with judokas and hand-to-hand fighting. The Soviet school rules!


          1005000 +++++ I agree
          That's what the boys need to do, and they will not only be physically strong, but morally and discipline will be at the level even though the Soviet sports school remained, though not the same as it was, but still
        3. s1н7т
          s1н7т April 16 2013 21: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Fox
          I myself was engaged in sambo and boxing

          Essentially melee laughing
        4. rolik
          rolik April 17 2013 22: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Fox
          incorrect video

          against the passage of the leg, the oncoming knee kick in the face of the passing helps. After that, all his attention will be taken by his broken nose.
          1. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 9 June 2013 19: 01 New
            +1
            Have you tried to meet them at least once with your knee? Or have you seen someone succeed? I-no.
          2. Mairos
            Mairos 21 June 2013 12: 59 New
            +3
            Is not a fact! A good wrestler flies into his legs like a bullet, it is very easy not to be in time. It is more effective to fall towards him, but from above and beat with an elbow on the back (in a fight in the spine). I couldn’t fight in the street in this vein, but for training it was possible for the wrestler to fall on his back, but to move away from the throw to the legs back or to the side ..
            And all this contactlessness ... well, maybe if she is 20 years old to deal with someone who is not a charlatan, who knows .. And in 99% of cases - a divorce of pure water.
            By the way, lotions in the style of Kadochnikov need to be mastered after you really practiced ordinary melee or combat sambo (or something like that) and clearly imagine what a REAL strike, capture or throw is - you felt their dynamics on yourself. And as sparring partners for practicing lotions it is necessary to take boxers, wrestlers, etc. and not otherwise
      2. PiP
        PiP April 16 2013 21: 53 New
        +1
        The video shows respect to the guest. wink
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 16 2013 08: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Alex45
      If there is someone who came across Kadochnikov’s system, please comment, it seems that there is also a contactless direction.

      Faced. The system is terribly efficient. My 7 years of hand-to-hand fighting (judo, karate, boxing) - a dog under the tail, the maximum that I managed to - to break the distance, if I didn’t have time to do this, then ... all :))) This is against the guy who was engaged in Kadochnikov about one and a half years and no other types of martial arts did not do at all.
      The saddest thing for me began when I took on the “knife” - well, I rolled the newspaper into a tube ... From the first blow to the enemy, I almost knocked out my eye ...
      As for contactlessness, the same guy (an officer, several business trips to Chechnya) said that he had seen with his own eyes how the sentry was removed. Those. a specialist came to them according to Kadochnikov, showed all sorts of hookahs, and this included the volunteer was put in a corner, such as a post, and the melee contactlessly “dropped” the volunteer into a swoon.
      But I myself didn’t see this, and the guy ... well, let’s say, I could have joked.
      1. ramsi
        ramsi April 16 2013 08: 47 New
        22
        as one guy jokes on our site: an old TT is better than judo and karate
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 16 2013 08: 58 New
          +8
          Quote: ramsi
          better old TT than judo and karate

          It’s clear that it’s better ... but life is short, and spending a substantial part of it on an excursion to places not so distant for wearing (and even more so using) a firearm was somehow not hot :)
          1. Zerstorer
            Zerstorer April 18 2013 10: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            It’s clear that it’s better ... but life is short, and spending a substantial part of it on an excursion to places not so distant for wearing (and even more so using) a firearm was somehow not hot :)

            Stop, as far as I know the license for a short barrel implies the right to wear. Of course, I understand that our court is the most inadequate court in the world. BUT (!) Let's be realistic - the short barrel is the most affordable way to conduct contactless combat.
        2. avt
          avt April 16 2013 09: 48 New
          +6
          Quote: ramsi
          as one guy jokes on our site: an old TT is better than judo and karate
          This is if in rhyme laughing But in fact, yes, the best method of hand-to-hand combat is a shot in the stomach.
      2. stas52
        stas52 April 16 2013 09: 04 New
        15
        Arriving in the section on contactless combat, ask the coach to move some physical object, chair, chair, or at least a pack of cigarettes with an energy blow, because if he delivers such “powerful” blows to people, he should be able to do such a task, and then you will understand everything. Who will do this, please write then what excuses the coach will come up with.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 16 2013 09: 10 New
          -1
          You got a little contactless contact with telekinesis. And Kadochnikov worked with the KGB, so the irony here is inappropriate.
          1. stas52
            stas52 April 16 2013 09: 34 New
            +6
            Quote: fzr1000
            You got a little contactless contact with telekinesis. And Kadochnikov worked with the KGB, so the irony here is inappropriate.

            look carefully at the videos, it’s the blows that are applied there, so there’s nothing to do with telekinesis, with any blow you can move some kind of object, and even more so with energy, the foundations of physics when applying ENERGY, movement is achieved.
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 April 16 2013 09: 39 New
              -1
              Well, here you are and watch carefully the videos with Kadochnikov and with the special forces. I don’t see much point in arguing.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 16 2013 09: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: stas52
              watch the videos carefully, it strikes

              You are inattentively watching a respected connoisseur)))
              Where 4 against two, how to strike at the extreme ???
              Sell ​​pure water)))
              I do not argue the actors are strong)))))))))
              1. stas52
                stas52 April 16 2013 10: 01 New
                +8
                Yarbay
                I fully support you, swindle of pure water, and I’m talking about this. And as for the blows, look there it is the blows that are designated, although they are non-contact, so I have a question: is he blowing, what drives, energy or air? Well, no matter what he drives there, if he brings down men, then he will have to spit a pack of cigarettes once. The only negative is that you won’t agree with the pack.
                1. stas52
                  stas52 April 16 2013 10: 11 New
                  10
                  But seriously, it can only energetically affect internal organs, such as the heart, but again there will be no beautiful flights of the victim and the designation of strikes. If he is such an energy special, then the attackers should have fallen unconscious on the way, without any body movements on the part of the specialist. And all this resembles a fantasy "Elementalist."
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 April 16 2013 10: 18 New
                    -2
                    Are muscles, joints, ligaments internal organs?
                    1. stas52
                      stas52 April 16 2013 10: 31 New
                      +2
                      Read carefully:the attackers had to fall unconscious on the way, without any body movements from the specialist.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 16 2013 10: 37 New
                        +2
                        Quote: stas52
                        : attackers had to fall unconscious on the way, without any body movements from the specialist.

                        I agree!
                        Witchcraft is also described by you!
                  2. Parabelum
                    Parabelum April 16 2013 10: 28 New
                    +4
                    I’ll support my colleague, you can energetically influence the internal organs, but for this you need an energy conductor, arm or leg. Physics...
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 16 2013 10: 13 New
                  +6
                  Quote: stas52
                  Well, no matter what he persecutes there, if he brings down men, then he will have to spit a pack of cigarettes just to spit. The only negative is that you will not agree with the pack.

                  Here I give up !!))
                  Totally agree with you!!
                  + + + +
            3. Mairos
              Mairos 21 June 2013 13: 07 New
              0
              Have you seen how they move ... well, let the box of matches with an energy blow? At least once?
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 16 2013 11: 52 New
          +1
          What for? I don’t really believe in contactlessness. so I’d better ask him to show me :)
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 16 2013 12: 01 New
            +2
            Honestly, I didn’t quite understand you!
            That you write in support, you do not believe)))))
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Faced. The system is terribly efficient.

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            What for? I don’t really believe in contactlessness. so I’d better ask him to show me :)

            where is the truth??)))
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 16 2013 13: 43 New
              +2
              This I, it seems, expressed an unclear thought. Terrible efficiency - this is from the contact section of Kadochnikov :))) I just tried it on myself :)))) I only heard about contactless
              1. Ziksura
                Ziksura April 16 2013 21: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Terrible efficiency is from the contact section of Kadochnikov :)))

                Sorry, the namesake, but I personally have a different experience with the Kadochnik. First second: a complete misunderstanding of what is happening and the retreat in an instant by three meters until his back against the wall. Second: well, if there is nowhere to retreat, then the center of gravity is sharply down with the hard impact of the hands on the “midline”, the defense gap, if simpler, and sharply “center” up and sharply in the jaw. All the “cars” and “pensets” for the opponent ended in a horizontal position on the floor and the laughter of my coach.
                I'm sorry. Just a personal experience.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 16 2013 22: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ziksura
                  Sorry, namesake, but I personally have a different experience with the “Kadochnik”

                  What apologies are there? Everyone has his own experience. The guy I met was physically weaker and lighter than me, but the reaction was probably better, albeit uncritical. I was well prepared and I had no chance. I tried everything I knew, I had particular hopes for boxing. Did not help:)))
      3. broker
        broker April 16 2013 09: 22 New
        +5
        "contactless" dropped the "volunteer fainting" usually before this psychologically processed if crazy. not processed beforehand, you will not faint !!!
        SATANISM!!!
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 16 2013 09: 32 New
          +5
          Yeah. Chur me, chur. Get out the SOTON.

          1. stas52
            stas52 April 16 2013 10: 18 New
            +8
            Quote: fzr1000
            Yeah. Chur me, chur. Get out the SOTON.

            And you do not mind the logo in the upper right corner of the screen?
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 April 16 2013 10: 20 New
              0
              Filmed for internal use. This was later shown on TV. Or do you think this is a production specifically for Ren TV? Do you trust your eyes or just focus on logos?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 16 2013 10: 25 New
                +4
                Quote: fzr1000
                Filmed for internal use. This was later shown on TV.

                Dear here last year, they lined up material revealing this video !!
                There * a foreigner * was also not an American, his separate video is))
                1. fzr1000
                  fzr1000 April 16 2013 10: 29 New
                  +1
                  Can't find the link again?
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 16 2013 10: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: fzr1000
                    Can't find the link again?

                    I'll try it !!
                    The professor definitely has or the pimpled one!
                    1. fzr1000
                      fzr1000 April 16 2013 10: 50 New
                      +2
                      Thank. I will be interested. If everything is justified there, then I admit my mistake.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 16 2013 11: 02 New
                        +4
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        Thank. I will be interested. If everything is justified there, then I admit my mistake.


                        Look at the same RenTV!


                      2. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 April 16 2013 11: 24 New
                        +1
                        The video looked, but besides the fact that, according to the announcer Kadochnikov, he never commented on that famous plot, there is nothing about Kontochnikov’s contactless fight, nor about that special forces video.

                        As for the main essence, charlatans, unscrupulous imitators and scammers are everywhere enough.
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 16 2013 11: 38 New
                        +2
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        that according to the speaker Kadochnikov

                        this is another video!
                        There, pay attention to the student Kadochnikova!
                        and from the words of the announcer it is clear that he never managed to find * a specialist *!
                      4. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 April 16 2013 11: 57 New
                        +6
                        The student of Kadochnikov is a typical charlatan who “clings” to the glory of the Master. In principle, I am not a fan or propagandist of contactless combat. My fingers are broken and my nose is broken, so I'm from traditional, simple comrades.))
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 16 2013 12: 10 New
                        +4
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        beaten up and the nose is broken, so I'm from traditional, simple comrades.))

                        So your own)))
                2. StolzSS
                  StolzSS April 17 2013 02: 52 New
                  0
                  Small aikido speaks correctly. This is a pure dialogue between two energy structures of different people. I’ll only clarify that you can drop a person who is resisting, but the chance to get into the nose is very high. As for what Bronnikov is teaching, well, this is not applicable for combat, and indeed all non-contact techniques are a set of skills for expanding interaction with the world that are not applicable for combat training .....
          2. romb
            romb April 16 2013 12: 20 New
            -2
            If not mistaken, this "American commando" is in fact a Russian actor.
            Here it is - second from the left.
            1. mark021105
              mark021105 April 16 2013 20: 35 New
              0
              Look carefully, this is a completely different person.
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 April 16 2013 21: 17 New
                +2
                I think so too. The actor is scolded by Grigory Siyatvinda, plays in the Satyricon. But they sowed a grain of doubt here.
      4. Ziksura
        Ziksura April 16 2013 22: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: fzr1000
        Do you trust your eyes or just focus on logos?

        Only to the eyes. Is it really so in the "real" bayonet? Do the attacker have diarrhea ??? Do you have any army experience? Or just forgot? Have a really resisting person overloaded in an adrenaline battle turning a machine to tear out a magazine? And what’s the grip on the “pistol” handle? Even according to the canons of Kadochnikov-crap? Further. Is a boxing dive under the side and the opponent guaranteed to fall? No. So why from simple leaving, according to the video, loses balance? Further. Man is not a hard frame. The bending moment in the joint is zero. Law of nature. What is the effect? Where is that “physics”? Ballet with "leverage". In real life ONLY throws with impact on the spine in the direction of its unnatural bend, or stupidly "knock" down. The speed of boxing spurt is 4-6 beats per second. What are hand grabs? An attempt to climb into the grip is guaranteed head over heels riding on the ground in an embrace with the enemy. What are the levers? Do not tell RSBI. Yes, and Special Forces.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 17 2013 13: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Ziksura
          a resisting man re-loaded in an adrenaline battle rotating a magazine to tear out a magazine

          By the way, if you noticed for some reason that the soldier was trying to hit * the special forces * with the store)))) I didn’t see such a technique, they didn’t teach)))))
          That, too, probably special forces)))
          1. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 9 June 2013 19: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            By the way, if you noticed for some reason that the soldier was trying to hit * the special forces * with the store)))) I didn’t see such a technique, they didn’t teach)))))

            Ironically in vain. Strikes are struck with a bayonet, butt,shop.
  2. Alexan
    Alexan April 17 2013 23: 26 New
    +1
    But why did the guy in the beret obviously did everything so as not to hurt the brave instructor. In the gateway to them - everything would have become clearer ...
  • s1н7т
    s1н7т April 16 2013 22: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Faced. The system is terribly efficient.

    I also came across. RB is more effective than the Kadochnikov system. Or in Ekb. they teach her worse laughing
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 16 2013 22: 50 New
      +4
      Well, Kadochnikov was enough for me :)) I didn’t give in, and the sparring was normal, the blows did not slow down, I just beat half-heartedly, albeit sharply ... But he just killed me. I could not do anything - although physically stronger and harder, and the guy’s reaction is not much better than mine. The movements seem to be elementary ... If my opponent would bring his actions to the end, I would not correspond with you now - there would be nothing :)))
  • Hon
    Hon April 17 2013 09: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    This is against a guy who was engaged in Kadochnikov for about a year and a half and did not do any other martial arts at all

    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    the same guy (an officer, several business trips to Chechnya) told that with his own eyes he saw how the sentry was removed.

    What is it like?! That is, an officer, and if he took part in the liquidation of the sentry, then a scout, never engaged in martial arts? !!! Why even shoot the sentry with some kind of contactless battle systems in the presence of special means (BCC) ?!
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 17 2013 09: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Hon
      What is it like?! That is, an officer, and if he took part in the liquidation of the sentry, then a scout, never engaged in martial arts? !!!

      You are reading inattentively. I did not write anywhere that this officer was filming sentries. I wrote that, according to him, a specialist in the style of Kadochnikov came to them and demonstrated the possibility of contactlessness. Those. they are sitting in a cozy gym, a special person who arrives invites a volunteer from among the listeners, he becomes a corner, etc.
  • vadimN
    vadimN 15 May 2013 16: 47 New
    0
    Yes. Kadochnikov’s system is very effective. And contactless battle is present in it. However, not only Kadochnikova. Almost all martial arts, having native Russian roots, are highly effective even if they are based on their own genetic memory, energy, psychology ... Whether it’s Kadochnikov’s system, Slavic-Goritsa or Russian fist fighting (St. Petersburg school of A. Gruntovsky), and many other areas and styles that have common Russian roots.

    Remember M.Yu. Lermontov: "The enemy had learned that day quite a bit what the remote battle of Russia means, our hand-to-hand combat!"

    It is a pity that we ourselves forget our roots ... Namely, they give what karate, aikido and so on cannot give a Russian person — a feeling of our roots! No one denies that any martial art is effective only with hard training. But in mastering Russian martial arts, at least we don’t have to break our psyche and make ourselves narrow-eyed oriental ninjas, because we have the consciousness that we have our own martial art, honed by centuries of fighting of our ancestors.

    And as for contactless combat, this is reality. There are a lot of parasites on this topic, this is a fact. But from this, Russian martial arts and contactless combat do not become a myth. It's just that those pros who really own it come from the principle "Do not believe it - do not. Nobody is going to prove anything to anyone."

    Here is a small video in the subject. [media = http: // http: //smotri.com/video/view/? id = v5952947581 #]
  • Fox
    Fox April 16 2013 09: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex45
    who faced the Kadochnikov system

    Kadochnikov came to us in the Internal Affairs Directorate in the 90s. Our 2X2 SOBR officer, like a newspaper was fooling around. Then they pinned a guy on me because his grandfather had broken him.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 16 2013 09: 15 New
      0
      The most famous movie
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 09: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: fzr1000
        The most famous movie

        joke)))))))))))
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 16 2013 09: 34 New
          +4
          If you do not know how, then this does not mean that others do not. And you would not be at all funny if you were one on one.
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura April 16 2013 22: 34 New
            0
            Quote: fzr1000
            And you would not be at all funny if you were one on one.

            Yes, certainly not to be laughing. For it looks like a combat allowance for orderlies in a madhouse for the quietly insane. Who is attacking so? All the gopniks were like that. I would go in for badminton then. Not a broken nose. No knocked down fists. Not a bunch of other injuries. Kraaaaasota !!!!!!!
        2. Parabelum
          Parabelum April 16 2013 09: 38 New
          +7
          This is not an anode, this is art. And his place on the theatrical stage ...
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 April 16 2013 09: 40 New
            0
            Limited thinking is also a disaster. I repeat, if you cannot repeat this or do not understand how this is possible, this does not mean that it is impossible.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 16 2013 09: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: fzr1000
              I repeat, if you cannot repeat this or do not understand how this is possible, this does not mean that it is impossible.

              Dear you yourself, it’s not funny when you try to convince us that this is super cool and that we do not understand anything?))
              I often read you and always with interest, I consider you a smart and decent person!
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 April 16 2013 10: 02 New
                +2
                By the way, I don’t think that this is cool and this does not surprise me. Consider my attitude to our specialists as my weakness.
              2. fzr1000
                fzr1000 April 16 2013 10: 21 New
                +1
                I forgot to say thanks for the kind words.
            2. Parabelum
              Parabelum April 16 2013 10: 39 New
              +6
              I am a materialist to the marrow of bones, I proceed from practical life experience. If it would be as we are shown, why then do specialists use firearms? In the same Dubrovka or Beslan. 10 people would go and tear off the heads of terrorists at a distance, they would not have time to utter a peep. Why after retirement do specialists not teach their art? Secrecy? So now there are practically no secrets. Why are there no contactless sportsmen? Someone would come out and non-contactly stumble Emelyanenko. The champion right away ... And what the so-called "contactless sensei" teach is clearly visible on the posted videos. I agree, some elements of the Kadochnikov CONTACT System are based on the real laws of physics, such a "Russian" aikido. I believe in it, and I think that such a combat is extremely useful.
              1. olegff68
                olegff68 April 17 2013 00: 23 New
                0
                Quote: Parabelum
                I am a materialist to the marrow of bones, I proceed from practical life experience.

                It is a well-known fact that Fidel Castro has some of the best bodyguards in the world (trained including our specialists). A fragile, inconspicuous girl, with a direct blow of her hand, pierces through a man dressed in a “three” suit (anatomical mannequin) - although this will never be shown either. But still, from the point of view of the materialist - HOW?!?!
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt April 17 2013 00: 39 New
                  +2
                  Quote: olegff68
                  A well-known fact - with Fidel
                  And where can I find out about this well-known fact? Very interesting.
                  1. olegff68
                    olegff68 April 18 2013 10: 38 New
                    0
                    [/ quote] And where can I find out about this well-known fact? Very interesting. [/ quote]
                    There is literature, but it is extremely rare. (Appeared in the 90s against the backdrop of the collapse of the KGB and permissiveness). By the way - Fidel Castro has not one of the best, but the best bodyguards (competent opinion of specialists from different countries)
                2. Parabelum
                  Parabelum April 19 2013 14: 30 New
                  0
                  Also alas, this well-known fact is the first time I hear from you, I will be sincerely glad if you share information (a book or video), where it will be described in detail. In the meantime, from the point of view of the materialist, I do not believe.
              2. Oksana
                Oksana 19 June 2013 19: 43 New
                0
                some elements of Kadochnikov’s CONTACT System are based on real laws of physics, such a “Russian” aikido. I believe in it, and I think that such a combat is extremely useful.
                "Russian Aikido is a dance, just a dance of BUZA !!! (The dance of simple peasants, under serfdom, it was impossible to raise fighting skills with a" saber! Boyar-bench-press! Here in this dance, RUSSIAN-honed all the skill! (If you sort it out)! You will find so much! -All "martial arts" -Well, somehow clumsy!
                Our dear! Kharlampiev (my husband’s idol), taking as a basis the “Buzu” and the grabs and throws from the drain!
                About “contactlessness” Yes, I can’t say firmly !!! But, really, our body is a mini power station and a consumer! Each organism has its own frequency! And We all know that at a frequency of 7 to 12 hertz, from the complete remains of the heart -to "diarrhea"! So -can these "contactless people", on their "limbs", change the frequency ???
                I’m not an academician, just a “freq. In frequencies”, anyone -Wave!
                With respect to EVERYTHING !!!
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 16 2013 09: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Parabelum
            This is not an anode, this is art. And his place on the theatrical stage ...

            Maybe)))))))
  • avt
    avt April 16 2013 09: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Alex45
    The topic is interesting, and I want to know the opposite point of view. If there is someone who came across Kadochnikov’s system, please comment, it seems that there is also a contactless direction.

    Of course there is, I’ve happened to meet with the master of astral karate, but it turned out like Vysotsky’s, ... though the hearts of the conversation didn’t work out, the jackhammer was in the way ... "And you can recommend the series Star Wars" very informative in terms of ,, feel the power. "If you carefully look at the work of Kadochnikov, then make sure the strength of the Soviet education in terms of mechanics and all kinds of levers laughing But he is not the founder, Archimedes said that if he was given a foothold, he would turn the Earth upside down.
  • Vashestambid
    Vashestambid April 16 2013 14: 47 New
    +4
    Contactless martial arts: another myth


    How dare the author doubts that Chuck Norris can put his opponent at a glance. I myself saw it ................

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  • Bern
    Bern April 16 2013 19: 15 New
    11
    I had a case when I knocked out an opponent! A blow from the head into the bridge of the nose is a terrible force!
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 17 2013 00: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: VashEstambid
      Chuck Norris can put his opponent at a glance. I saw it myself ................

      ....To the cinema!!
      A drunk projectionist is able to "knock out" any Chuck Norris. I myself saw this not in the movies, but in life bully
  • StolzSS
    StolzSS April 17 2013 02: 34 New
    0
    Well, what can I say contactless techniques, first of all, are not suitable for combat training at all, and here Kochergin is absolutely right. The second moment, let’s separate the flies from the cutlets and honestly admit that killing a person with the help of contactless technology will not work well, except for the case when you upset his balance and he falls from the 10th floor. All that can be achieved by contactless technology is to upset the enemy or shift the perception a little, but then either your partner must shoot him or you must finish the enemy yourself with real weapons. After acting on another person, you will be torn hard and your head will ache, you will not be able to pass a normal physical norm, you will certainly not be able to shoot for a while. As for any gurus who teach, this is generally a scam because nobody will teach real things because the system will then punish the instructor much harder than any NKVD. These techniques are generally purely protective, although almost any healthy person can master them. Now, as for going out on the carpet against a special forces athlete. Tried it looked like he was standing 2 meters from me, I begin to pry him off to balance, he automatically takes a step and hit my face in the blood. The better the fighter worked out with blows, the more accurately his fist found me. The second series, he steps on me with the intention of striking here, I managed to dodge quite easily and sometimes even drop it, but the current he jumped quite quickly and mechanically flew at me .... From personal experience I can summarize the following by the power of thought of 2 specialists or athletes without TT you will not scatter in a hand.
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 9 June 2013 19: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Alex45
    If there is someone who came across Kadochnikov’s system, please comment, it seems that there is also a contactless direction.

    It’s not a contactless crap, but the RB system. It’s quite difficult to learn, apparently. I didn’t come across it, but I saw the guy cut himself off with the 3rd gopnik. I put them - “I myself!” - although my friend and I wanted to fix them.
  • Clueless
    Clueless April 16 2013 08: 09 New
    +3
    every drunk in our country owns a contactless battle laughing
    1. avt
      avt April 16 2013 09: 24 New
      +8
      Quote: Bad
      every drunk in our country owns a contactless battle

      good Do not confuse contactless battle with the rapid departure to the astral plane. laughing
      1. stas52
        stas52 April 16 2013 13: 14 New
        +2
        Well, YOU, imagine a homeless man coming up with an awesome hangover as he will give his amber what is contactless? wassat
  • Begemot
    Begemot April 16 2013 08: 43 New
    +4
    Practice is the criterion of truth. Only spectators of the Battle of Psychics can believe in a contactless battle. If you fold your fingers in a certain way, you can imagine that you have a gun in your hand and say, "Pif-pav!" demand that the enemy fall.
  • Kolya
    Kolya April 16 2013 08: 47 New
    +4
    In the late 80s, we were so naive practicing kung fu, all sorts of katas, etc. .... it turned out to be a good gymnastics. But meows, draconian grimaces ... a circus.
  • Rezun
    Rezun April 16 2013 09: 01 New
    +2
    "... the service of the muses does not endure fuss ..."
    Contactless battle is not skill,but ability to subordinate the enemy to his will. For this, it is necessary to surpass this opponent in terms of physical fitness, intellectual development, moral and moral education. Of course, the argument is weak, but it is the presence of a small number of "craftsmen" that testifies to the uniqueness of this art. And it’s for the best, even simple weapons are dangerous to trust everyone.
    1. broker
      broker April 16 2013 09: 28 New
      +2
      All videos on the Internet about such fights are shown on their subordinates who are psychologically processed olgo !!!
      As an NTV reporter interviewed such a "fighter" then he said on me, show me he refused !!! Because you must first hypnotize !!!
  • saruman
    saruman April 16 2013 09: 29 New
    +4
    I remembered the uprising of the “boxers" in China. Then the fighters of Wushu, and the masters of Qi-gun sincerely believed in their irreducibility. Only now armed with rifles, the soldiers of the European armies sank this rebellion in blood. And the surviving “boxers” took up the criminal business and founded numerous “triads”.
  • Parabelum
    Parabelum April 16 2013 09: 31 New
    13
    My opinion is simple and clear. ALL "non-contact" martial arts are lies and profanity. Talking about energy, chakras, pumping the information field is all better left for Reiki seminars and psychics. Even the video of these “contactless” shows that they are not athletes, but a bunch of adepts sitting and listening to the words of “sensei” about how he beat phantoms in the astral field. I immediately recall the words from the famous song of the fox Alice, "As long as there are fools in the world ...". In general, any "martial arts" where there are no sparring fights, due to the supposedly "deadly" tricks, this is bullshit and fraud.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 09: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Parabelum
      My opinion is simple and clear. ALL "non-contact" martial arts are lies and profanity.

      That's right !!! ++++
      there is a video where like a cross all fell !!
      I'll try to find))
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 10: 07 New
        +3
        found)))
        Serious guys)))





        I liked one koment there in the second video)))

        ** The basic rule of contactless combat is not to wash, do not brush your teeth, or wash your socks and underwear. Stick and success in this form ..... arts guaranteed! The enemy will be horrified at the very thought of fighting you! What kind of contacts are there ... You can check it out for yourself. Yes, it will not work right away, over time. But patience, gentlemen .... I myself saw how a seasoned contactless person, at rush hour, made an entire subway car shy away! **)))))))
        1. Parabelum
          Parabelum April 16 2013 10: 11 New
          +1
          And they have their own atmosphere there laughing
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 16 2013 10: 25 New
          +3
          Well this is hack.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 16 2013 10: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: fzr1000
            Well this is hack.

            Here is your normal reaction !!
            Just because there are no bewitching words of the KGB and special forces !!
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 16 2013 18: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: fzr1000
            Well this is hack.


            Here is Kadochnikov about contactless combat))))

            1. Chukcha
              Chukcha April 16 2013 23: 13 New
              0
              Kadochnikov is very right in his answer. No need to teach what a particular person is not ready for.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 16 2013 23: 16 New
                0
                Quote: Chukcha
                No need to learn that

                Then he does not talk about teaching professor)))))))))))
                And about to show))))
                However, like all such energy fighters))
                1. Chukcha
                  Chukcha April 16 2013 23: 21 New
                  +2
                  To whom to show? On an unprepared person?
                  "a plate rolls ... when you are not prepared ... people die ...". Do you even listen to what he says.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 16 2013 23: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Chukcha
                    . Do you even listen to what he says.

                    Nonsense, he says)))
                    Ordinary what say potentiates)))
        3. Ratibor12
          Ratibor12 April 16 2013 14: 32 New
          +6
          Video - Better Zadornov concert! On one is Orthodox elven magic, on the second is a waltz in a madhouse (in the background are the sad relatives of the sick).
          The best examples of contactless combat: Vasily Zaitsev with his rifle and ICBM Voevoda in the mine!
        4. Bern
          Bern April 16 2013 19: 24 New
          +3
          "That's what the life-giving cross does."
          Ivan the Terrible. The film "Ivan Vasilievich Changes the Profession"
        5. rolik
          rolik April 17 2013 22: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          Itself saw how one seasoned contactless person, at rush hour, made the whole wagon shy away

          More like a thriller where they fight with zombies, especially in the second plot. And the first plot is a guide to fight vampires. It was necessary to hang a drop of garlic on the neck, the effect would be even more slaughter.
    2. Vasia kruger
      Vasia kruger 23 October 2013 16: 15 New
      0
      Better not tell.
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 16 2013 09: 41 New
    0
    Hello everyone! Here in the article is a video where one uncle drops Sensei, but there is also a video about the joint training of Russian specialists and American, where ours demonstrated a contactless battle, the American special forces commander doubted, and then bent over in pain.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 16 2013 09: 49 New
      +1
      I uploaded this video above, but then everyone decided that ours had mesmerized the amer, and then bribed it for fidelity. Well, this does not happen and that's it.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata April 16 2013 14: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: fzr1000
        I uploaded this video above, but then everyone decided that ours had mesmerized the amer, and then bribed it for fidelity. Well, this does not happen and that's it.

        You have no reason to take my word for it, but I'm too lazy to look, but this video has been fully exposed and more than once. This same "special forces commander" was found, who, if I am not mistaken, at that time was a student at the Peoples' Friendship Institute, and at the same time worked as an "actor", flashed even in some series.
        Z.Y
        There are people who consider all these magical things to be dangerous, like this, after learning from Sansa who owns a secret fighting style, someone will rush at a robber with a knife in the hope of “crushing his will” and we all know how to end it. These are the people who are engaged in bringing Kadochnikov, Lyubka, Starov and others to clean water.
        That's who I totally agree with, especially about the knife
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 16 2013 14: 53 New
          +6
          Quote: Rumata
          That's who I totally agree with

          All right says!
          He said especially precisely about the blows that one should not stop starting to hit until the enemy falls !!
          And rightly so, about believing in yourself, you don’t have to be an athlete to fill up the enemy!
        2. Bern
          Bern April 16 2013 20: 04 New
          +1
          Well, Baduk is my idol! And what he just said is a street battle manual! But to the "contactless" has nothing to do!
        3. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 16 2013 21: 10 New
          +1
          I believe. "He was wrong. He flushed."
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 13: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: evgenii67
      where ours demonstrated a contactless battle, the American special forces commander doubted, and then bent over in pain.

      this is a production !!
      * American * -Side!
  • 12061973
    12061973 April 16 2013 09: 51 New
    +2
    look at the u-tuba video of the fight of cadrers against Hasikov, laugh.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 16 2013 09: 56 New
      +1
      This is all fake and installation, and Kadochnikov is a charlatan and a fraudster. Even the KGB was mesmerized. wink Those here see everything through and through. X-rays.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 10: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: fzr1000
        Even the KGB mesmerized everything

        Perhaps they tried to amer Amers so that they tried to create the same and lost years))))
        What type did they do with us on SDI)))
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 16 2013 10: 23 New
          +1
          Yes nuuu ... it really looks like a child. "That all tremble, that respect."
  • Genera
    Genera April 16 2013 10: 23 New
    +3
    It is not correct in interpreting contactless combat - this is not the super power of the Jedi and not telekinesis. Everything is much simpler. I’ll try to explain. For example: sparing object "A" (owns contactless technology), object "B" (opponent), when performing about. The "B" of the impact naturally changes its review (the direction of the gaze), vol. "A" already knows its viewing angle and makes movement in this radius. The brain of vol. “B” unknowingly notices this and the instinct of self-preservation is triggered and the body itself tries to escape from the oncoming movement of vol. "a" and finding himself in an uncomfortable position loses his balance. Chip in motion about. "a" the correct angle of the failed attack. Verified.
  • Genera
    Genera April 16 2013 10: 46 New
    0
    Forgot to add. If about. "b" is blind and does not see the movements of the object. "a" then the correct angle of the failed attack is modernized into the successful one.
    1. romb
      romb April 16 2013 13: 16 New
      +1
      Roughly speaking - the technique of slopes, waste and dives?
  • Lapotnik
    Lapotnik April 16 2013 11: 47 New
    +2
    http://forum.budokaikan.ru/index.php?topic=1659.0

    A good overview of one of the "contactless"

    Contactless combat system ... The flame of a candle and matches with cards will be put out by any normal contact contact athlete / knocker over without touching, but the fist or leg should be as close as possible to the target.

    Everything else contactless is complete nonsense. Only Tibetan lamas, Shaolin and others can, because they are not filmed on mobile cameras.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 16 2013 12: 07 New
      +1
      Looked at the link. Sorry...
    2. revnagan
      revnagan April 16 2013 13: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Lapotnik
      The flame of a candle and matches with cards will be put out by any normal contact contact athlete / knocker over without touching, but the fist or leg should be as close as possible to the object of impact.

      And you yourself tried to do what you write about? There is such an old exercise in Wushu, to extinguish the flame of a candle with a blow of your hand. Moreover, the trick is that a person is gradually moving away from the candle. And the flame still goes out, and it’s good if it’s also with a light pop. It is believed that the masters extinguished the candle light from a few meters. This technique is described in one of the magazines "Youth Technique" somewhere in the 90s. And it really works , I checked. Well, in general, in the eastern martial arts, the blow is not struck on the surface, its epicenter (strike) is at a depth of about 10 centimeters. It seems that there is a slight bruising on the surface - and the stove is broken ... But this can not be attributed to contactless exposure.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 16 2013 12: 18 New
    0
    I found it ...

    Reliable can be considered evidence of the ability to hit the enemy, without making contact, the creator of modern judo Jigaro Kano, as well as Sun Lutan (Sun Fuquan) - one of the greatest masters in the history of Chinese Wushu. There are several reasons to trust these masters. Firstly, they devoted their life to the comprehension of martial arts. Secondly, they all focused on the development and management of internal energy. Thirdly, each of them held real fights in life, not for life, but for death.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 12: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: fzr1000
      Reliable can be considered evidence of the ability to hit the enemy, without getting into contact

      Hit-the-keyword!
      I saw a man who unimaginably broke a glass of water, being far from him in handcuffs !!
      He was not an athlete, he was a clergyman, not a monk!
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 16 2013 12: 43 New
        +1
        Still, most likely meant winning. In short, as Vysotsky sang - "the unknown, but it is forbidden." Probably it's time to close the discussion.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 16 2013 12: 20 New
    +1
    Better there is no karate than my old TT. (c) Hypnosis I can understand, there is no contactless battle.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 16 2013 12: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Parabelum
    I am a materialist to the marrow of bones, I proceed from practical life experience. If it would be as we are shown, why then do specialists use firearms? In the same Dubrovka or Beslan. 10 people would go and tear off the heads of terrorists at a distance, they would not have time to utter a peep. Why after retirement do specialists not teach their art? Secrecy? So now there are practically no secrets. Why are there no contactless sportsmen? Someone would come out and non-contactly stumble Emelyanenko. The champion right away ... And what the so-called "contactless sensei" teach is clearly visible on the posted videos. I agree, some elements of the Kadochnikov CONTACT System are based on the real laws of physics, such a "Russian" aikido. I believe in it, and I think that such a combat is extremely useful.

    In the Middle Ages, there were also materialists to the marrow of bones, and they burned scientists at the stake laughing
    1. Parabelum
      Parabelum April 16 2013 13: 26 New
      +2
      laughing not materialists, but ... how to call them ideological theocrats =)))), the Inquisition like them. And they burned those who explained everything by the laws of physics ... i.e. materialists .. =))) you know ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 13: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Parabelum
        not materialists


        burned by the way terrible materialists))))
        but it was necessary to re-educate in the camps)))
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 16 2013 12: 40 New
    0
    Contactless battle is the ability to act on an adversary without touching him.
    If you type in Google a search for the phrase "contactless battle", you can get at least a couple of thousand results. More than half will assure you that this technique is available to them, and others that having paid a certain amount of money will be available to you. And all this power in just a couple of dozen classes. Is it so?
    Let's see which of the famous masters demonstrated contactless battle. Perhaps the most famous of the masters is O-Sensei (Morihei Ueshiba) - the creator of Aikido.
    Indeed, there are shots where he demonstrates contactless combat, but firstly, you should pay attention that he demonstrates this already at an advanced age, having studied for about 40 years of ju-jutsu (柔 術) and ken-jutsu (剣 術), as well as being master of Daito-ryu Aiki-jujutsu. It is also reliably known that Morihei Ueshiba practiced the misogi ritual - cleansing the body and spirit under a cold mountain waterfall that falls right on the top of the head.

    Another martial artist who demonstrates contactless combat is Gerard Blaise.

    Demonstrates truly outstanding contactless combat skills. How did he learn this? At the age of 17, he began practicing judo and aikido in France, then he left for Japan and studied for five years with a tail at the Kombomu Ueshiba and Seigo Yamaguchi at the Hombu Dojo in Tokyo. Then he began to study with Michio Hititsuchi. As a result, in 1996 received the 7th dan of Aikido. It also has the 7th Dan of Shindou Muso-ryu Joujutsu, the 5th dan of Masakatsu Bojutsu. The total experience in martial arts is approximately 48 years.

    Of course, I know about the allergy of site visitors to this program, but here in the plot there are both of the above characters

    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 14: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: fzr1000
      Another martial artist who demonstrates contactless combat is Gerard Blaise.

      I put a video explaining * tricks * Blaise and Aikidoists !!))
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 16 2013 15: 50 New
        +1
        But the topic is revealed.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 16 2013 12: 44 New
    +1
    People will be able to believe in contactlessness, only if it was distributed at the level of karate schools (mass), as was the case in the Union, everyone knew that there were invincible karateists somewhere, when it became mass, it became clear that the same boxing was more effective somewhere angry
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts April 16 2013 13: 25 New
    +1
    1) And why are there no masters - contactless representatives of judo, sambo, boxing, savata, taekwondo, muaythaya, sumo, etc.?
    2) Why are there no magic pills that cure all or most of the diseases?
    3) And where is finally the philosopher's stone?
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts April 16 2013 13: 40 New
    +1
    Add a video for discussion:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to0F70bRVWY
    http://www.budo-forums.ru/topic/24348-beskontaktnyj-boj-vadim-starov-protiv-boks
    era /
    And finally lol
    http://tomsk.fm/watch/246099
    The last video is very revealing. bully
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 13: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: ImPerts
      Add a video for discussion:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to0F70bRVWY
      http://www.budo-forums.ru/topic/24348-beskontaktnyj-boj-vadim-starov-protiv-boks

      era /
      And finally lol
      http://tomsk.fm/watch/246099
      The last video is very revealing. bully

      Pay attention to all these * masters * choose * victims * those who are two or three times smaller and constant contact)))))
      in the latter case, the master * breathing * was already setting, running became harder and another 10-20 seconds and the kickboxer would break it !!))
  • Rumata
    Rumata April 16 2013 14: 29 New
    +2
    Here is a fun little article, though the button accordion-babayan
    Part one
    http://hueviebin1.livejournal.com/43869.html
    part two
    http://hueviebin1.livejournal.com/59688.html
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts April 16 2013 14: 52 New
    +1
    And then the top 10 of various gurus:
    http://felbert.livejournal.com/1723955.html
  • Rumata
    Rumata April 16 2013 15: 08 New
    0
    how complicated it is!
    1. romb
      romb April 16 2013 15: 24 New
      0
      Just like in an RPG: classes and skills wassat
  • shinobi
    shinobi April 16 2013 15: 44 New
    +2
    What is being advertised, displayed and sold is bullshit. This was explained to me by a real energy fighter. The meaning is completely different. We worked a little with him in sparing and he chewed on my fingers what was done and why. It makes sense for the probable aggressor to have no desire Something he did there, no passes or the like, but I missed a lot. The state was like a drunk. As he told me this state is the maximum that can be achieved without contact. And if it comes to a fight, the passes cannot be separated, they will score fuck. Yes, and they can take control of it in their pure form. As he told me, it’s easier to master point strikes. The effect is more obvious, he poked me somewhere in the thigh with his thumb. Few legs were paralyzed, so I don’t have a lot of kimono ..s..al. In general, do not waste talking specially for this time. You will study the BI as expected, it will come if there are makings to it.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 15: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: shinobi
      .This was explained to me by a real fighter power engineer.


      Another inadequate)))))))
    2. Rumata
      Rumata April 16 2013 16: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: shinobi
      What is advertised, displayed and sold is bullshit. This was explained to me by a real energy engineer fighter.

      It costs only once, real energy. invite reporters, and show that he knows how to someone from the crew and he is a millionaire. There will be no end to those who wish, dozens of schools, thousands of students. Why is this not happening? Why on the Internet are hundreds of videos of acrobatic stunts on their students and not one on someone from the outside. But there are enough reports where journalists come to the trainer and offer to demonstrate on them, and get excuses ranging from "I can kill you" to "Secret Calm, you can’t divulge secrets!"
      This is not the Higgs Boson, to prove that you are right is very easy, to get worldwide fame too
      Z.Y
      non-contact battle, test from Alexander Litvinenko, 2009.
      Alexander Litvinenko was invited to take part in a contactless combat seminar. And he decided to test the system in practice. The task was as follows: Alexander had to deliver a simulating blow towards the enemy, the enemy promised to demonstrate a contactless battle system and prevent Alexander from carrying out a blow in his direction .But in response, Alexander received a slap in the face. Apparently this was precisely the mastery of that contactless battle. What happened next, you see for yourself ...

      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 16 2013 17: 07 New
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        Quote: Rumata
        You see yourself ..

        Well done Sanya))))))))))
        Such asshole is the way to go)))))))))))
      2. Nikolai N
        Nikolai N April 21 2013 01: 59 New
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        Thanks for the video. Neighing from the heart laughing Downloaded, show friends let the same have fun
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian April 16 2013 16: 33 New
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    Without contact, you can only take on a fright, and thus win without a fight. What requires skill and certain knowledge and training.

    Either Svarog or Darth Vader can bring down such cabinets with the wind, even Sigalu cannot do it.

    Although knowledge of the laws of physics, mechanics and anatomy in trained hands can work wonders.
  • Black
    Black April 16 2013 16: 39 New
    +5
    If they ask me harshly in Tsy-Hun, they say how about you ... on the head energetically, or without bothering with a boot in the balls ???, I won’t bother much. lol
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 16 2013 17: 08 New
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      Quote: Chen
      If they ask me harshly in Tsy-Hun, they say how about you ... on the head energetically, or without bothering with a boot in the balls ???, I won’t bother much.


      killed)))))))))))))))))))))
      1. Black
        Black April 16 2013 19: 56 New
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        ... I'm worried myself .... repeat
  • dzvero
    dzvero April 16 2013 17: 11 New
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

    prototype of contactless battle :)
  • SIT
    SIT April 16 2013 17: 37 New
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    In general, of course, it is strange to contrast contact and contactless combat because the concept of contactless battle is absurd by definition. If a person has advanced in Tao so much that he can control qi freely and at such a speed, he should not be in a situation where it is necessary to wage such a battle with dropping and knocking over the enemy. On the other hand, mastering energy techniques without working out the physical body can only be done as a slow improving gymnastics, because in the case of attempts to accelerate flows, an unprepared body will give out such sores that it is better to be killed right away. The existence of acupuncture points and the so-called meridians in the human body is now no longer considered a miracle. So let's say the physical conductors of these channels are the ligaments and in this regard, the most problematic places are the joints. If you do not keep the ligaments and joints in good shape, then congestion and dams will form there, which will result in sores of organs attached to this meridian. In general, then all the stretch marks, twines and other twisting into the boat node that is in Wushu and that in yoga are used specifically for developing ligaments and joints as conductors of qi or prana. The ability to stare into the head is a pleasant side effect of developing the vicinity of the "death gate" point, where the lower junction of the upper middle and rear middle meridians is located. It’s just that someone (as the epic claims it was Bodhidharma) in ancient times noticed that martial arts very well develop the whole body in a complex and especially force it to be naturally combined with breathing, which is very important in energy practices. And here is such an incentive - you can’t connect it correctly with the breath, they’ll get it to hell. Thus was born one of the areas of Zen Buddhism - Budo. So without going all the way of the body’s development, it’s impossible to move on to complex energy practices. One is very closely connected with the other. From the beginning of training, just do one physical training and, as it develops, energy practices are added to it. Maybe very few begin such a stage that the acquired physical form is supported by purely internal energy. On the Internet there is a photo of the patriarch, who at 74 makes a stand on 2 fingers, and the student only holds his legs on the side above. But this life must be put on it. As the combat training of any units, at least specials are not very absurd such practices. They simply do not have enough time and energy. And the patriarchs, if any, still exist on our planet, the combat use of their internal capabilities simply will not occur, because the goal of their development is completely different. And purely from the point of view of the law of conservation of energy, to control a person through physical contact is much less energy-consuming and safe than using internal energy. In the subtle world, nobody has canceled the general laws of the universe. What you send there, then it will fly back. That's just exactly when it is not known exactly. Therefore, it’s better not to go where you don’t know.
  • Rumata
    Rumata April 16 2013 17: 55 New
    +5
    Here is also a contactless battle, but the implementation is better =)
    Starov v. Kadochnikov, a secret shoot from the recently declassified archives of the GRU.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 16 2013 19: 00 New
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    Of course, there are contactless techniques and of course, they work. And it is also absolutely true that all, all and all of the schools that promise them are fraud. In vain Grandfather (I mean Kadochnikova) personally promised his students his skill.
    The athlete can not show anything like this, this is first. Let him train for at least fifty years ... the way of understanding the world is not the same. Secondly, decades of persistent efforts to improve the body and spirit give this skill as part of the technique of life ... but it is one of the most useless. A rubber circus can connect your elbows behind your back. But why is this? At the warm-up, perhaps ... Masters do not fight, for the simple reason that they cannot be in a fight situation. In a fight with an equal, this will not work.
    And there are no ways to go to the gym for half a year or a year to learn the "secret techniques of contactless combat". However, attempts to explain to lovers of secrets this simple thing are usually doomed. Somehow it worked for me (this happens rarely, but ...) such an explanation - try to crush a dime in your fist (it was still in the USSR). Do you think there are some super secrets that will allow you to WITHOUT strength? Here it is. Gain power - you can knead the dimes. Just because you won’t - why spoil the money?
    But the Sensei’s business will continue to bloom. Because what is it that seekers are searching for secret techniques, indescribable knowledge and free then Zen? They are looking for an opportunity. A sacred opportunity for them to rise above all WITHOUT LABOR AND EFFORT. So, he looked like a dozen workouts without tension and with the help of secrets inaccessible to the mediocre ... Well, well. Search and find, and it will be given to you ... on the neck ...
  • Bern
    Bern April 16 2013 20: 08 New
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    Quote: evgenii67
    Hello everyone! Here in the article is a video where one uncle drops Sensei, but there is also a video about the joint training of Russian specialists and American, where ours demonstrated a contactless battle, the American special forces commander doubted, and then bent over in pain.

    Summary of the previous series:
  • Bern
    Bern April 16 2013 20: 24 New
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    The most non-contact of martial arts is averted! This art must be learned !!!
  • urich
    urich April 16 2013 21: 57 New
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    I wonder why no one remembered Hancock. Here is a real contactless battle! wink really cool man bully
  • s1н7т
    s1н7т April 17 2013 00: 36 New
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    All comments read too lazy. "Contactless battle" is an echo of the 80s, when we began to be massively interested in internal styles, without delving into the essence. Even the meaning of the phrase “The best fight that did not take place” was managed to be misinterpreted - like, he won without a fight. On the desire of people to win without a fight, scammers successfully play. So there are such "schools" as toadstools laughing
    Hoping for hypnosis (which not everyone is capable of yet) is stupid - I, for one, am unstable laughing Chuhnya all this! Engage in sweat, do not bother yourself with nonsense, and all will be happy! laughing
    Colleagues in Belarus - physical education hello! drinks
  • architipai
    architipai April 17 2013 03: 41 New
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    He practiced Karate Fudokan for 10 years, participated in competitions
    What kind of contactless battle is there - it's just a bike, even most of the karate and wushu techniques are the same bike - well, who uses kibadachi or kata in battle? Just exotic packaging all for a better sale
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 17 2013 21: 27 New
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      Colleague, for 10 years you could understand why all these kata are needed, don’t you? laughing
      1. architipai
        architipai April 18 2013 12: 20 New
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        That's why I stopped doing this - switched to ordinary physical education)
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т April 18 2013 20: 39 New
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          No luck with the trainer / instructor.
  • motorized rifle
    motorized rifle April 17 2013 04: 06 New
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    The opinion that the occupation of Belarus will make a person invincible is nonsense. A non-contact RB-delirium squared. Throughout my life, I was convinced of only one thing: if a person is a hunter, in fact, he is more likely to win the fight, even if he is a street brawler, and who is psychologically a victim, he is often trained to lose. Obviously, with the help of training, the victims want to transform into hunters, but it seems to me that this is just not so simple, but most likely almost impossible, then only the TT will save. There really is a technique, but it’s very troublesome, some people use it, but it’s not for us. Let it sound cynical and still somehow not nice, but only knowing how to kill does a person turn into a hunter, think, remember, maybe someone will remember something. The theory in this matter is completely inferior to practice. And they talk about contactlessness, but any abrek who is skilled at killing will flood this sensei with a knife and a stone or teeth. I apologize in advance if my koment seems unpleasant or primitively wild to someone.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 17 2013 21: 30 New
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      It is wild, of course, but not minus, for there is some truth.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts April 17 2013 09: 33 New
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    How many comments ?! I will ask adherents of contactless battle. Kadochnikov (allegedly) worked for the KGB, which means for her successors. The president should be guarded with the best of the best. Why in Hanover, when the “vociferous” Ukrainian girls decided to demonstrate their capabilities, the brave guards did not use secret tricks and did not force the “women” to lie down or fall to the floor and calmly carry them away then? Instead, they had to be caught and (indignantly) openly pawed for the naked parts of the body? Could provocateurs have used this and blamed the gallant security guards for sexism and harassment? Or maybe worse? Why didn’t you use it? Or did the FSO spare money for training seminars?
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 17 2013 21: 33 New
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      Quote: ImPerts
      Why didn’t you use it?

      Gee! Because there is nothing laughing
  • Chukcha
    Chukcha April 18 2013 00: 39 New
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    In the early 90's I had a very interesting little book by a single martial artist. He was involved in traveling around the world in search of craftsmen for experience. Moreover, he described the methodology that he offered each master to determine the level. Then he made a decision about whether he should stay with the master or not. Among other things, the author described several masters who had an extremely high degree of psychological influence on the enemy. For example, he agreed with one such master that he would attack him only when he heard a cry - the beginning of the battle. So what? He himself describes that he stood for a long time and waited "when they shout," but did not hear anything. Only then they told him that the “enemy” shouted very loudly and clearly.
    That's how it happens.
    Cases and masters have been described a lot. He said that one master could take katana blows to certain parts of the body without damage. In battle, this was not applicable, since some preparation was required, and the area of ​​the body was certain. Another master, striking anywhere in the body, always hit the groin ...
    Funny knizhentsiya, sorry lost.
  • Nikolai N
    Nikolai N April 18 2013 01: 12 New
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    Funny book
    Indeed, and how the classic of the genre got lost laughing And also these -
    one master
    another master winked . Surnames, first names, patronymic, time of the event, witnesses?
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 18 2013 20: 56 New
      +1
      I had a book on RB PLA. The author is like the chief instructor of the PLA. The first photo in it is an author at the age of about 70 who performs a stand on the thumb. Name I don’t remember, of course, but my grandfather was cool!)
  • erg
    erg April 18 2013 09: 21 New
    +1
    Enough knowledge within the school physics course to understand that non-contact martial arts is another bullshit. And forget about all the mystical energies there, with the help of which the enemy is defeated, this is also nonsense.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 18 2013 21: 07 New
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      Mystical energies are certainly nonsense. But here is the passing result of regular classes - you lay your back on the large fragments of a broken bottle, a friend stands up on your chest, glass crunches under your back ... Then you have to pull out other fragments from the back, which entered deeply. But - not a drop of blood! No cuts!
      1. Nikolai N
        Nikolai N April 19 2013 13: 46 New
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        And why is this skill?
      2. erg
        erg April 19 2013 17: 19 New
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        It surprises you, then take textbooks on human physiology and anatomy, or other scientific literature in this area. I am sure you will learn a lot about the capabilities of the human body. Moreover, characteristic of all people, and not just units. For example, about the real strength of muscles, elasticity of the skin, etc. The thing is that in a modern urban man, pampered by civilization, the body is significantly weakened. At the same time, living in harsh, harsh natural conditions, but in the absence of hunger or long periods of starvation, the body's capabilities are much higher. And the effect that you described is possible without any training. In past centuries, the inhabitants of Siberia, as well as the inhabitants of the North Pomors, surprised with their unusual strength, endurance. Bending a horseshoe, eating a copper nickel, fighting one with a polar bear, traveling long distances, surviving in winter on islands in the northern seas was not surprising. Back in the 19th century, the hunting tribes in Africa surprised Europeans, for example, by the fact that among them there were not a few hunters who could argue over short distances in running with a horse. Or go through naked through the thickets of thorns and not get a single scratch, just the skin hardened under the African sun acquired its inherent elasticity and smoothness.
        1. Nikolai N
          Nikolai N April 19 2013 22: 31 New
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          The native inhabitants of the north rarely reached 50. In one without a weapon on a polar bear? belay
          1. erg
            erg April 21 2013 02: 15 New
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            Firstly, not without weapons, with melee weapons. Secondly, I meant primarily the Pomors, and not the indigenous people. Thirdly, read carefully, in the absence of long periods of fasting. In wild peoples, such periods were the norm, but Pomors, like immigrants from more civilized places, had a developed economy, engaged in agriculture, fishing, and trade. Plus the lack of a fortification system in that region. Finally, the numerous settlements of the Old Believers (as in Siberia), who did not drink alcohol and tobacco and were successfully engaged in trade. By the 19th century, there were many rich Old Believer villages in the north. Thirdly, life expectancy depends not only on the environment and I would not talk about all the indigenous people.
  • bazillius
    bazillius 16 May 2013 21: 06 New
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    Despite the disagreement with the author of the article, I want to say that the topic addressed in it is important and relevant.
    I'll start with a simple one: remember the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s - how many schools, sections, trainers appeared with the advent of Gorbi. Then another became fashionable, then a third. Today, there is a hypothetical opportunity to learn almost any martial style (although everyone wants to engage in martial arts). You can’t lure people into the halls.
    But, here somewhere the information slipped that there is a contactless battle. And now, imagine a modern "Young Man of the Pale" living in the city, and participates in fights only on the computer. Duck, it's just a gold mine, the main thing is to work out everything beautifully. And then you can raise self-conceit for a fee.
    But, there is still non-contact, and this is not a specific style or school: this is the level of development of a martial art master. Therefore, the proposal to train contactless athletes, excuse me incorrectly. I’ll try to give an example, there is surgery - duck, why not train surgeon athletes, and the main criterion is the time of the operation, and not its quality and consequences.
    I will give an example from my own practice: 4 people came to study. I’m interested in what they want to do, whether they understand what it is. About 3-4 minutes later, one young man seriously asks: Ah, after a year we will be able to throw fireballs from our body into the enemy. He didn’t laugh at that time, but smiled, and explained to the guys that I definitely couldn’t and couldn’t point out even in the history of the person who did this. We spent two and a half years, now we have left for the army, ALREADY is adequate.
    And the basis is still the same: boxing, sambo. And only so!
  • ISO
    ISO 5 June 2013 17: 11 New
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    In such an ephemeral and fashionable direction, so that scammers do not happen in megalopolises to the full extent.
    For myself, I proved that real masters should be. I don’t practice energy strikes myself, because in the first place to play on this field with a poorly developed theory among humanity I consider it dangerous not so much for the “victim” as for myself. But at one time in training, he was entertained by adjusting basketball shots on the ring, he could not exert one hundred percent influence on the game, but “Svoi” players had more hits, and opponents more missed.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 5 August 2013 20: 07 New
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    They talked about materialism. Following it, no energy exists, other than those described in the physics textbook (electro-magnetic, mechanical, etc.). Those. any kind of "energy blows" by definition is nonsense (the lightning didn’t understand wassat ) What matters is only the functionality and skills of a particular person. The only non-contact effect, as on the information system, on a person can be produced only by information (looks like hypnosis, actions on instincts past consciousness). As a combat use, I think it is unlikely, although it is not excluded. In principle, it can be associated with the level of emotional development.
  • Maxorka
    Maxorka 20 September 2013 21: 34 New
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    Thank! An interesting article, video, too, but honestly speaking, tormented by doubts about the contactless battle. The film Star Wars is more convincing in this regard - may the force come with you. )))
  • Nok
    Nok 24 October 2013 10: 19 New
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    contactless combat is harmful.
  • mn-night
    mn-night 1 March 2014 09: 57 New
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    Welcome all!!!! Please comment on the video, it’s very interesting to know the opinion of those present.Yes, I completely forgot about the same person in the video in which the demonstration receptions for the "Western" specialists are held. In this video, the captain epaulets are poorly distinguishable. The quality of the material is so-so, only the limitation of this video comes to mind, and about the antiquity of the "pick-up" equipment. With him, by the way, there are quite a lot of mottled videos, there are even interviews on the topic. But this is for your consideration gentlemen.
  • vk65
    vk65 April 12 2014 00: 10 New
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    Welcome all!!!! Please comment on the video, it’s very interesting to know the opinion of those present.
    I comment.
    This is a Kadochnikovsky school. Half of the technical actions are spectacular but pointless from the point of view of a real battle. Without a properly built body you won’t do these things. Once in our group we rummaged through all this husk and came to the conclusion that in a real battle you will simply be killed if you follow the proposed by the authors of the methodology. For example - at all the shows there is not a single real cabinet that would fall from the influence of the instructor - everywhere there are only slim women. And if the cabinet is 2 x 2? And if the enemy is armed with two knives? zamech these ponte with torsion with a knife? Personally, I (about 20 years of working with knives) will never let an instructor into my “capture zone” - I’ll cut him on the way up. And they simply don’t have a chance against two knives. Another question is why should he poke around and escort a soldier with his assault rifle behind your back? It’s easier to disconnect, to tie in a proven way, etc. I was especially touched by the stories of Kadochnikov (they are not in this video) about how to intercept the strike of the checker with your palms. I would like to look at this at the speed of the battle against razor-sharp checkers.
    By the way - "Russian style" was brought around the 50s from China. A group of KGB officers was sent there to study methods that were more effective than Sambo. This is the so-called domestic chinese styles. The brightest living master to date is Yao Chen Rong (see fighter channel, interview). The whole secret lies in the correct formulation of the body and spine as an engine. In the body from point A to point B, all parts of the body should come simultaneously (in ordinary sleeping people this happens in parts). Hence all the falls, etc.
    Kadochnikov personally does everything himself correctly (if only to remove the show-offs and work for a commercial show-off) but he explains nonsense to his students.
    If you built your body correctly and gained motor skills, then in a real battle it’s enough to use about 10 technical actions-principles (not tricks). A real battle is short-lived, cruel and ugly from the point of view of the audience. If you did not demolish the enemy in the first three or four actions, you Khan.
    Also, the instructor doesn’t complete the combination correctly on this video demonstration - throwing the opponent on the floor, he kicks him lazily (and Kadochnikov himself sins this), as if he was already dead. Now, if you don’t have enough motor skills to completely finish off the enemy in a lying position (the action should go automatically), believe me - you will never have time to do this in a real battle on adrenaline - your brain will be occupied by a completely different one.
  • vk65
    vk65 April 12 2014 00: 25 New
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    I’ll add more on the topic.
    Comrade himself Lavrov may slightly have the gift of hypnosis which helps him bring down some of his companions, inclined to suggestion. One GRU commando (retired) told me how he took a training course in the president’s personal bodyguard. That's literally: "We were taken into the room of officers and warrant officers of the special forces. They put us on chairs. The team turned it around. A man came in. What he did was I didn’t see, but the people to my right fell unconscious. I hardly survived the impact - there was a strong burning sensation in the occipital part of the head and a state close to loss of consciousness. Those who withstood the impact were taken away to the second round ... "The comrade did not lie. Morality - there are people with a rare natural gift of remote influence on a person. Such units. All (or almost all) registered where necessary. They bring down not with receptions, but with the help of force, which cannot be acquired in the gym or at the training ground.
    the rest are storytellers. Do you want to learn at least something - boxing (only the old Russian school), sambo (the old school and the old coach) And start your search by asking questions and how to work against it? Remember - the reception is not a panacea - this is a training action that most likely you will never be able to use in its pure form in a real battle. Try to understand the principles. One of them (the main) is the correctly built body of the spine and synchronization of movements and the ability to "listen" to the partner (as in dance, sex, etc.)
  • 0000
    0000 April 29 2015 20: 16 New
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    if you do not believe in it / does not mean that this is not_)


    Look yes you will find

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мирин_Дажо
    http://lifeglobe.net/entry/3067

  • alleksSalut4507
    alleksSalut4507 25 October 2015 19: 45 New
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    In far Soviet times, five strong young people attacked one of the employees of the state concert, a hypnotist, in the evening on the embankment, and with the aim of robbery, too, they were offered the idea of ​​holding hands and following the chain to the department of the mighty police, which they carried out. the police could not release their hands, this only happened after the artist allowed the hooligans. here is a contactless fight!
  • Barcid
    Barcid 20 February 2017 09: 57 New
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    It's amazing how fraud seeps into martial arts