War and Darwinism: Biological Militarism in European and American Thought in the Late 19th and Early 20th Centuries

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War and Darwinism: Biological Militarism in European and American Thought in the Late 19th and Early 20th Centuries

In the early summer of 1918, as World War I was drawing to a close, the renowned American biologist Raymond Pearl criticized his colleagues at a scientific conference in Washington for not seeing war as a biological phenomenon, “a giant experiment in human evolution" Pearl claimed that the basis for the great war in Europe was allegedly laid by Charles Darwin's book "The Origin of Species".

Indeed, it is generally accepted that Darwinism not only had a significant influence on various racist theories, but also actively encouraged war. For example, philosopher and historian Alexei Rutkevich, in his work “Ideas of 1914,” notes that “Social Darwinism was an integral part of the ideology of the colonial powers" But did Darwinism really encourage war and racist imperialism, and ultimately give rise to the First World War? Or did Darwin himself hold other views, and have his theories been distorted? Was there an alternative Darwinian legacy, one based on consent and mutual aid, rather than violent conflict?



This question was asked by historian Paul Crook in his book Darwinism, War and story: Debates on the Biology of War from the Origin of Species to the First World War. In this book, Crook examined questions surrounding the biological causes and consequences of war in the period between the publication of Darwin's Origin of Species in 1859 and the First World War. He reconstructs the theoretical underpinnings of war and human aggression in many European thinkers, from Darwin and Spencer to Kropotkin and Chalmers.

In this article we will look at Crook's work and some of its main points.

Charles Darwin on War and the Struggle for Existence


Paul Crook writes that when militarists invoked Darwinian theories to justify war, they often used phrases like “survival of the fittest” (or “survival of the strongest”), but rarely addressed what Darwin actually said about human aggression and war. Darwin acknowledged that war and genetic selection were important factors in human history, but he also believed that violence and altruism were intertwined in human evolution, and he believed that conflicts gradually became less violent and more compassionate.

Charles Darwin noted that primitive humans were social creatures by nature, but also warlike – tribes were constantly at war with each other, in an eternal struggle for survival. The noble aspects of human nature and moral qualities had a dark side: they were used to improve the methods of warfare. That is, social cooperation was inextricably linked with military effectiveness, while war had social advantages and biological justifications.

Since ancient times, tribes that were not only physically strong, but also socially cohesive, skilled in organization, manufacturing technologies weapons, tribes in which there was "many brave and loyal members, always ready to warn of danger and protect each other", genetically displaced other tribes. As peoples with a high level of both social and military discipline gained the upper hand over other peoples, "their social and moral qualities developed and spread throughout the world».

This gave rise to a difficult dilemma that has been repeatedly raised by scholars in subsequent debates: Will humanity's propensity for war diminish as it progresses socially, or will it prove ineradicable?

Darwin himself was a cautious optimist in this regard. He was not inclined to view human aggression as an unchangeable model of behavior, not subject to cultural change. Darwin believed that ethical values would gradually spread and become an integral part of human culture, and that altruism would become a habitual and universal phenomenon.

Darwin pointed out that as a result of conflicts – between tribes, and then nations and empires – a higher morality had emerged and would develop, which would eventually make war and various cruelties obsolete. However, Darwin made at least two significant reservations: (1) he recognized that the development of humanity requires a constant struggle for existence; (2) he allowed for the possibility of regression or even a dead end in human evolution.

Natural selection was necessary for the development of peoples, and Darwin sounded the alarm, later taken up by eugenicists, that advanced societies were in danger of decay because they overprotected the weak and poor, built asylums for the feeble-minded and sick, and supported the ill with modern medicine and vaccination. Darwin wrote that

thus the weak and unfit multiply, which is harmful to the human race.

Darwin himself was a man of his time who had mixed feelings about race. He had relatively liberal political views, was an opponent of slavery, and supported the North in the American Civil War. On the one hand, Darwin did not support genocide against “inferior races” in the name of progress and admired the “noble savages” – the Indians who fought the Spanish to the last in South America. On the other hand, he often experienced culture shock when meeting savage tribes. For example, after meeting the Patagonians in 1832 during the voyage of the Beagle, he wrote:

Looking at such people, it is hard to believe that they are your brothers.

Darwinism and Militarism in Germany


In the mid-nineteenth century, doctrines of biological militarism emerged in the West, but they encountered resistance from liberal political circles because they ran counter to accepted values based on traditional morality, order, and legitimacy. For these reasons, Anglo-American militarism, which was a significant phenomenon, was expressed less in aggressive Darwinian terms than in terms of racial and imperial service and paternalism.

In Germany, the links between militarism, imperialism, and Darwinism were strongest, but even there the interactions were complex. There is some evidence to suggest that the militarism of Bismarck's Germany was also driven more by nationalist motives and Realpolitik than by biological rationales. Economic imperialists and early Lebensraum theorists certainly drew on Darwin's ideas, but a militant and expansionist ideology that combined Darwinian science with a strong tradition of statecraft emerged only in the early twentieth century.

There is very little evidence that the Darwinian principle of the struggle for existence was used during the Bismarck years to justify nascent capitalism with the help of “social Darwinist” paradigms. Only after the 1890s did radical currents of social Darwinism emerge, proposing eugenic measures to save the nation and the race.

Social Darwinism in pre-war Germany was not nearly as ferocious as it is written. The most famous popularizers of Darwinism in Germany were Ernst Haeckel and his friend Wilhelm Bölsche, author of the bestseller Love in Nature. In their Darwinism, the "struggle for existence" did not play a significant role.

The glorification of war by Helmuth von Moltke and Heinrich von Treitschke only seemed Darwinian at first glance, but was in fact merely a repetition of the old axioms of “might makes right.” (In fact, Treitschke was suspicious of Darwinism.) Even General Friedrich von Bernhardi, who called war “biological necessity", and whom Anglo-American propagandists during the First World War called the evil genius of biological militarism, used Darwinism only as a useful supplement to his basic ideas about German hegemony.

The true founders of German conflictology can be considered the Prussian historians Friedrich Hegel, Leopold von Ranke and Heinrich von Treitschke with their pre-Darwinian theories of rationalization of state violence. Although Hegel hoped that the evils of war could ultimately be overcome by reason and ethics, he highly valued the stimulating effect of war, noting that

Long-term peace, not to mention “eternal peace,” can lead to the moral decay of peoples.

He believed that war was a means of purification and uplifting the spirit of the nation. In turn, Leopold von Ranke rejected the liberal theory of the origin of the state, arguing that the state arose as a result of war - "the mother of all things", the catalyst of progress.

"War as a Driver of Change": The Theories of Walter Bagehot


In England, the man who consciously sought to apply Darwin's ideas to social theory was Walter Bagehot (1826–1877). His discussions of war, civilization, human progress and regression influenced Darwin in writing The Descent of Man.

Bagehot was convinced that conflict and the art of war were the driving force of change. It was a rule, "according to which progress is achieved through competitive struggle in conditions of constant war"For most of history, evolutionary success depended on the extent to which the strong outnumbered the weak,"and in some cases the strongest turned out to be the best».

Bagehot saw human history as a bloody and unpredictable event. Progress was an anomalous rather than an inevitable event: Darwin noted this passage when he read Bagehot's essay. According to Bagehot,

Only a few nations, and even then only European ones, have been able to advance, and all of them consider this progress to be inevitable, natural and eternal.

According to Bagjot, wars "ruthlessly destroyed old foundations and promoted innovation and diversity", and therefore they can be seen as true catalysts for social change. He argued that wars can lead to racial mixing and give rise to "useful variability».

Bagehot's work certainly addressed Victorian concerns and anticipated the cultural prejudices of the following century, characterized by a fear of atavism and a difficult perception of progress.

World War I and the Myth of the "Beast Within"


The First World War did not change the course of the debate about the biology of war, but it gave it new impetus. As the Oxford pragmatist Ferdinand Schiller later noted, war "clearly showed how unchanged in his ferocity homo sapiens remains, and how illusory was the belief in moral progress"The brutality of these events gave new force to the myth of the 'Beast Within', which was now embodied in biological terms.

In the lead-up to World War I, American psychologist Henry Rutgers Marshall believed that humans shared with animals an inherited "instinctive feelings"that underlie the behavior patterns"fight or flight" He interpreted the selfless behavior of warriors in terms of a form of altruism that benefits the tribe. The fighting instincts of man are an example of collective instinctive actions, characteristic of higher mammals, that serve the biological well-being of the tribe. K "tribal instincts of a higher order"Marshall took"patriotic instinct».

Another American psychologist, William James, in turn, directly stated:

Man is first and foremost an animal that loves to fight... Even a thousand years of peace will not rid us of our inclination to fight.

From a biological point of view, man was "the most fearsome of all predatory animals and, in fact, the only one that systematically hunts members of its own species" James noted that despite the irrationality and horrors of modern warfare, "horror breeds fascination».

The First World War was indeed seen by many as an escape from the mundanity of bourgeois life and materialism, as a revolutionary act against capitalism and as a means of spiritual rebirth. In England, the writer Hilaire Belloc extolled the "a fruitful vision of the war of rebirth", and many saw it as an antidote to the decline of civilization. Wartime literature was replete with metaphors about the fragility of civilization and the "wild beast" lurking within man.

The Scottish historian John Adam Cramb, who wrote Germany and England in 1914, predicting the inevitable conflict between these Teutonic peoples, praised war as a necessary step on the state's path to full self-realization.

The European war did indeed seem, in the words of the American evangelist Gerald Stanley Lee, "a majestic and terrible culmination"the primitive theory of human nature (Krupp's theory of human nature - "scratch a gentleman and you will find a savage"). During the war, simplified ideas about man as a fighting ape or a primitive predator became widespread. People were depicted as puppets controlled by biological strings, and violence was considered an evolutionary necessity.

According to Paul Crook, the theories of the "fighting animal" were laid down before the war in the works of such scientists as G. Marshall, W. James and W. McDougall.

Conclusion


Modern research on Darwinism and social Darwinism has shown that Darwinism should not be equated with militarism, since it was popular with both the "left" and the "right," both revolutionaries and reactionaries, both socialists and conservatives, both militarists and pacifists.

Paul Crook notes that Darwin's theories certainly had a significant impact on the debate about war and peace, but he also believes that the use of Darwinism to justify war has been overstated in the historical literature. Darwin has been frequently cited by both right-wing militarists and left-wing Marxists (such as Karl Marx).

As Crook has demonstrated, for most militarists, Darwin's theory served merely as a rhetorical supplement to more important justifications for war based not on Darwinism but on realpolitik, radical nationalism, and imperialism.

References
[1]. Paul Crook. Darwinism, war and history. The debate over the biology of war from the “Origin of Species” to the First World War. Cambridge, United Kingdom: Cambridge University Press. 1994.
[2]. Darwin, Charles. The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life.
[3]. Radkau, J. The Age of Nervousness. Germany from Bismarck to Hitler / trans. from Ger. N. Shtilmark; under scientific editorship S. Tashkenov; introduction by S. Tashkenov; National Research University Higher School of Economics. - Moscow: Publishing House of the Higher School of Economics, 2017.
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  1. +5
    14 July 2025 05: 24
    Darwin was first and foremost a naturalist. He saw the struggle of opposites in nature, but he ruled out the complete destruction of any species. On the contrary, he always proved the necessity of a plant, insect, animal, which sometimes harms a person. And it must be taken into account that Darwin was a man of that time. Even if you disagree with something, you had to keep your opinion to yourself. The world is based on the struggle of opposites. If it were monotonous, it would simply suffocate in its monotony.
    1. +4
      14 July 2025 05: 32
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      Darwin saw the struggle of opposites in nature, but excluded the complete destruction of any species.
      In my opinion, throughout its history, humanity has done nothing but exterminate not only other species, but also itself. wink
      1. +2
        14 July 2025 06: 31
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        does nothing but destroy not only other species, but also itself

        That is why progress in the development of society was so slow.
      2. +4
        14 July 2025 07: 32
        If so, then humanity has not been very successful in self-destruction.
        Otherwise, there would not be (according to official data) more than 8 billion of us.
        1. -1
          14 July 2025 07: 35
          Quote: Illanatol
          Otherwise, there would not be (according to official data) more than 8 billion of us
          If it weren't for self-destruction, there would be many more of us. But I don't know if it was good? wink
          1. +5
            14 July 2025 07: 39
            This is unlikely. Mother Nature knows other ways to limit population. Hunger, disease, etc.
            The greatest growth occurred in the 20th century, and this century turned out to be very fruitful in terms of large wars. And the policy of self-destruction somehow does not go well with the development of the social sphere, medicine, etc.
            From a pragmatic point of view, it was high time to introduce the practice of euthanasia for the elderly. If you can no longer work for the benefit of society (or rather the elite) - march into a box or a bag.
            But no, this approach is not practiced on a large scale, and life expectancy is increasing almost everywhere.
            So the trend towards self-destruction is definitely not the main one.
            1. ANB
              +3
              14 July 2025 13: 23
              . From a pragmatic point of view, it was high time to introduce the practice of euthanasia for the elderly. If you can no longer work for the good of society (or rather the elite) - march into a box or a bag.

              I have a friend who works as a programmer. He is 85 years old.
              1. +4
                14 July 2025 13: 39
                Well, these can be classified as "G" according to Ivan Efremov's classification.
                But most, even at a younger age, simply enjoy retirement.
                1. ANB
                  +1
                  14 July 2025 14: 15
                  . just enjoying retirement.

                  I retired at 33. But I plan to work, it seems, until I die. Otherwise, I won't survive.
  2. +3
    14 July 2025 05: 33
    ⏳Part II
    🅾🅾
    Topic: The role of CONVICTIONS in the creation of a passionate ethnos and the degeneration of the ethnos to the state of atomization and death when it is distributed among PSEUDOCONVICTIONS and CONSORTIONS.

    1.1⏳Gumilyov and the supporters of his teaching, and even more so the followers of the theory of vertical progress, did not attach any special significance to the tribe and convicts. I believe that this was their profound mistake, which did not allow them to show the true reason why a single SETTLED ethnos is doomed to follow the phase path to atomization marked by him, Gumilev, namely:

    RISE
    ACMATIC PHASE
    HUMANISM
    BREAKING DOWN
    INERTIAL PHASE
    OBSCURATION.

    Based on what is happening now, I would add three possible final phases:

    DEATH
    REBIRTH
    DIASPORAL STATE.

    The mistake was that the supporters of ETHNOGENESIS did not consider the successive degeneration of CONVIXION into PSEUDOCONVIXION at each phase stage and its eventual replacement by CONSORTION with the transition to a state of ATOMIZATION.
    It was not taken into account that the launch of the process of emasculation of convixia during development
    TECHNOLOGY is irreversible and leads ETHNOS along a disastrous path, presented above in the form of a list of phase transitions.

    Let me remind you that CONVIXION is a CIRCLE OF RELATIVES (FAMILY!), and a circle of people adjacent to them, defined as close ACQUAINTANCES, connected in this convixion by a common destiny and opinions.
    Here Gumilev should have deduced the degradation of a sedentary ethnic group from the degradation of convixia. But no, convixia seems to be something unimportant, and convixia is seen as equally unimportant by historians who, in each of Gumilev's periods, consider the people as a whole, or divided into strata or classes.
    What I would like to draw special attention to is the conditions for the formation of the initial convixity - before the passionate impulse.
    The main point here is the TRIBE and the convict in it (your clan as part of the tribe and familiar clans). This is hundreds of thousands of years! Or more? More!
    I quote:

    Humanity has managed to slip through the BOTTLE NECK several times. The first time was about 1,2 million years ago - when 18 of our ancestors remained on the planet...

    About 900 thousand years ago, 1280 of our ancestors managed to pass through the "bottleneck". It was from this handful that humanity "grew"...

    About 75 thousand years ago, people almost died out again - there were only a little more than two thousand left...

    About 5-7 thousand years ago, the population of Europe and Africa faced a special kind of "bottleneck": the number of men dropped sharply. There were 17 women for every one. According to scientists, the reason for this "matriarchy" was social changes that were accompanied by large-scale wars and great losses....

    (From the article by Arkady Simonov 07.11.2023, RGRU)

    Throughout these adventures, man, unlike animals, became genetically impoverished (inbreeding!).
    But how did the human species manage to survive in such monstrously unfavorable conditions? There is only one answer:
    TRIBE!
    A tribe consisting of clans.
    So it turns out that according to archeology, man existed in the tribe significantly longer than in subsequent historical periods, each of which, according to the theory of vertical progress, is 2,71 times shorter than the previous one. Therefore, it was the tribe that forever laid the optimality of life in convixia in the biological nature of man - in that simple structure that was exterminated in all subsequent periods indicated by Gumilev. And the fact that a person's way of life shapes his physical appearance and psychology is indicated by statistical data, according to which over the last century man has become taller and stupider. Four generations, and man is different. And now imagine how what was polished in him by hundreds of thousands of years of tribal life has become entrenched in man.
    The tribe is, first of all, a common food supply, which only young men were capable of. But old men, who were not able to even look after a fire, were not needed, and there are many stories about how old men were taken into the forest to be left there as an unnecessary thing, just as old lions are driven out of a pride, who are no longer able to protect the pride, and therefore, being driven out, die of hunger.
    1. +8
      14 July 2025 06: 34
      Quote: depressant
      and there are many stories about how old people were taken into the forest to be left there as an unnecessary thing

      In hungry years, when there was enough food, this was not practiced.
  3. 0
    14 July 2025 05: 34
    1.2⏳

    And if such stories have reached us, then the practice took place in later times, when the ethnic group was already being formed or had been formed, and taking the old people into the forest is an atavistic custom, remembered in hard times as something quite acceptable. Note the similarity of human behavior with the behavior of higher animals.

    But initially, in order for the TRIBE to still need the elderly, they, the elderly, formed the institution of chiefdom, the ideological institution of shamanism in support of the chiefdom and the council of elders, intended to correct the decisions of the chief. The elderly are the embodiment of the knowledge and wisdom of the tribe, accumulated in past times. But from what has been said above, it follows that most of them were sacrificed first in a difficult situation. And also the weak. So, be either a strong young man or a smart old man, because outside the tribe - death!
    This is how, for hundreds of thousands of years, the selection of the viable took place in tribes, and at the level of INSTINCT it was established that without native convixia, capable of protecting, confirming your suitability and saving you in difficult times, you are not a survivor.
    But convixia is not only your clan as part of the tribe. It is also the ACQUAINTANCES of your clan - the rest of the tribe and strangers. In those days, an isolated person was doomed. Therefore, familiar strangers are people who belonged to neighboring tribes with the presence of complementarity to the given one. So who are they? Passionaries, traveling in small groups of fellow tribesmen, and therefore able to protect themselves.
    1. +6
      14 July 2025 06: 38
      Quote: depressant
      So be either a strong young man or a smart old man, because outside the tribe there is death!

      Your thesis contradicts archaeological findings. Shanidar I lived to 1 years despite the fact that in his youth he lost his arm and had injuries after that.
      1. 0
        14 July 2025 12: 33
        Shanidar 1 lived to be 45 years old despite having lost his arm in his youth.

        I would be extremely grateful if you could provide a brief biography of the historical figure. The main thing is the dates. However, I will look it up myself later.
        1. +6
          14 July 2025 12: 48
          However, I'll see for myself later.

          Male, Neanderthal, about 45 years old, condition - dead, had multiple injuries during life, discovered in Shanidar Cave/Iraq/. bully
        2. +4
          14 July 2025 15: 12
          Quote: depressant
          You will provide a brief biography of the historical figure.

          In general, this is not a very good example. Shanidar1 was a Neanderthal, and they still died out. Burials were found in caves in Iraq and, for example, the same Shahida 1 was identified as a 45-year-old man with congenital pathologies. He lost his arm in childhood and by the age of 45 he suffered from a bunch of diseases. Despite this, he lived a very long life for those times. Although it would seem that who needed a crippled man. Cro-Magnon1 was also over 40 years old, but suffered from tumors on his head, clearly limiting his ability to be useful to his tribe. But both were not killed and eaten by their fellow tribesmen. Which of course does not mean that this was impossible, apparently there was enough food to eat themselves and take care of the frail and old. The widespread distribution of Homo sapiens suggests that for a long time there was enough food that there was no point in saving on it at the expense of the weak. This is what formed human society in its current form.
          1. +1
            15 July 2025 10: 19
            For a long time, there was enough food to last so long that there was no point in saving on it at the expense of the weak.

            Great!
            You just have to look at what "bottleneck" corresponds to this. In the eras of survival of the species, one must think, everyone was valued. Perhaps these sick people were sick because they made the maximum effort to save the rest of the tribe. Maybe they were the ones who led their people through the "bottleneck".
  4. -1
    14 July 2025 05: 36
    1.3⏳

    They were drawn not only to unknown distances by curiosity, but also by the need of their own tribe for a new habitat. For in the previous one they had eaten everything down to the grass and driven out all the animals. And so these passionate scouts, wandering around the area in a crowd in search of a suitable place for their own tribe, get to know other tribes, study customs, learn the strength and weakness of each tribe and not only receive useful information, but also spread it throughout the area they visit.
    This is what convixion looked like: a separate clan in a tribe, and as acquaintances - other clans of the same tribe and complimentary newcomers. The non-complimentary ones were either destroyed, or the tribe was destroyed by them, or both were beaten and went their separate ways to lick their wounds.
    1. +3
      14 July 2025 06: 40
      Quote: depressant
      Those who did not compliment were either destroyed, or the tribe was destroyed by them, or both were beaten and went their separate ways to lick their wounds.

      This is just your assumption, which is not a fact at all.
      1. +1
        14 July 2025 12: 26
        This is just your guess.

        Zhenya, thank you! Criticize!
        Because I am actually looking for the truth.
        One mind is good, two, or even more, is better!
        1. +2
          14 July 2025 15: 01
          Quote: depressant
          Criticize!

          It is difficult to talk about this without being an anthropologist. Facts of cannibalism as a result of aggression towards neighboring groups are known. The question is different, were these cannibals able to continue their lineage or were they destroyed by neighbors who did not put up with such behavior? Apparently, cannibalism is not typical for us, moreover, it causes disgust in most people, it was a dead end. That is, I believe that aggressive groups certainly existed, but they did not become the basis of the first communities.
  5. +1
    14 July 2025 05: 41
    What was that, my forum comrades will ask after reading my three previous comments. And here I am starting to publish a series of articles that I have been working on for the past month. And in them, or rather, in their sequence, I answer the questions:
    Who are we?
    Where are you going?
    How did we get to where we are, why is it inevitable and what to do )))
    1. +1
      14 July 2025 05: 58
      And a strong request to my especially nimble comrades: do not contact the Administration with a demand to delete my comments, since they are allegedly not on the topic of the article. Once, on one of Vyacheslav Olegovich Shpakovsky's topics, 5 of my comments were published, in which I explained why our government acquired the features of an organized crime group. It went back to the 60s thanks to an unofficial decree of the Minister of War. A dobrokhot reported (I know his name), the comments were removed. Shame on you, friend!
      We have entered the era of the struggle for the Russian ethnicity. I have entered. I will publish what I have worked on on the topics of our various Authors and I ask their forgiveness in advance. I am for all of you, guys. And this is very serious.
      1. +5
        14 July 2025 06: 19
        depressant, now convicts remain only in Papua New Guinea and the Amazon jungle. Today's humanity lives in conditions nation, and this is already somewhat different... Where can I read your article in full? Thank you...
        1. +2
          14 July 2025 06: 28
          I will publish my article on various topics here, on VO, and provide links to previous parts. The thing is that I am still working on the Soviet period and have not yet started the current one. I am working in my Telegram. And I am in a hurry because Telegram will probably soon be closed altogether and we will all be sent to MAX, every line of which will be controlled by the state and, naturally, punishable. But if I have time, I will give a link to Telegram. When I finish the work.
        2. +2
          14 July 2025 06: 41
          Quote: Luminman
          Today's humanity lives in the conditions of a nation

          Nations were invented in the 19th century. That is, this is an imposed opinion.
          1. +4
            14 July 2025 07: 27
            Quote: Puncher
            Nations were invented in the 19th century. That is, this is an imposed opinion.
            Nobody invented them, they folded themselves, as a result of the historical development of mankind, when linguistic, cultural, territorial and other communities appeared...
            1. 0
              14 July 2025 07: 47
              Quote: Luminman
              they folded themselves

              By magic... So there lived some Saxons and suddenly, for no apparent reason, they decided to become Deutsch... not Germans, like their ancestors, but specifically Deutsch.
              1. +3
                14 July 2025 14: 41
                Quote: Puncher
                So there lived the Saxons and suddenly, for no apparent reason, they decided to become Deutsches... not Germans, like their ancestors, but specifically Deutsches
                To become Saxons Deutsches, in a political sense, it took them about two thousand years to do this. And even then it is not known whether they became them...
                Quote: Puncher
                not Germans, what are they called
                ancestors, namely deutsch
                And their ancestors were also called Deutsches. Germans - this is from Latin...
                1. +1
                  14 July 2025 15: 21
                  Quote: Luminman
                  It took the Saxons about two thousand years to become Germans, in the political sense.

                  No. They were simply told that from now on we would all be called Deutsch, that's what the officials who called them Deutsch in the documents decided. They would have written them down as Germans and they would have been Germans, not Deutsch. And no one would have been outraged, no one would have rebelled because of the incorrect definition. The Alsatians, for example, remained Alsatians for a long time, not Deutsch.
  6. +5
    14 July 2025 06: 46
    For most militarists, Darwin's theory served only as a rhetorical supplement to more important justifications for war, which were based not on Darwinism but on realpolitik, radical nationalism, and imperialism.

    Exactly. Only a complete moron believes that war is natural selection. War, on the contrary, throws humanity back, destroying the healthiest and youngest, destroying achievements and knowledge. Now they say a lot that so many sick people are born, but before... Of course, millions of healthy men died, and millions with congenital diseases unfit for war remained and multiplied. Now Russia is going through another period of degradation. Will it survive...
    1. +1
      14 July 2025 08: 06
      But what about the undeniable fact that after every war more modern, sophisticated tools and methods of fighting wars appear? In technical terms, these are steps forward, aren't they?
      1. +1
        14 July 2025 08: 10
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        But what about the indisputable fact that after every war more modern, sophisticated tools and methods of waging wars appear?

        And how do devices for the destruction of man advance progress?
        1. +3
          14 July 2025 10: 29
          And the leap in technology, from the slingshot to the atomic bomb and the KSK, is a consequence and development of technologies and production for civilian needs.
          1. +5
            14 July 2025 11: 23
            This was the case until the 60-70s, then civilian technologies began to progress more actively than military ones, modern communications, space, microelectronics, engine building, medicine, etc. are developing thanks to the civilian market.
          2. +2
            14 July 2025 11: 32
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            And the leap in technology, from the slingshot to the atomic bomb and the KSK, is a consequence and development of technologies and production for civilian needs.

            The fact that military technologies are developing in parallel with civilian ones should not mislead you. Gunpowder was invented for entertainment, and only then for war, the internal combustion engine was invented for industry, military application was secondary. The same is true for aviation and navigation.
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          14 July 2025 10: 51
          In general, the sapientization of monkeys, namely its main phase -- the complication of tools, began precisely with wars!!! There was an interspecies war between two species of primates that were already on the verge of sapientization: Australopithecus and giant baboons. During this war, Australopithecus split into two factions. Some began to develop weapons and tools and became the so-called early Homo, while others distanced themselves from the War and went into the forest, just like Pierre Boulle. And they lived until the Wurm period! In the form of Paranthropus. But there was a harsh price to pay for survival -- degradation! And the giant baboons disappeared from the face of the Earth.
          As far as I know, the idea that --- either war or degradation, is present in science fiction in one novel by Clifford Simak (I don't remember the title), dedicated to dogs. There, the result of the victory of the pacifists is the complete destruction of all life on Earth and even the oceans... By ants. Well, that's how it is.
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            14 July 2025 11: 36
            Quote: Reptiloid
            It all started with a war!!! There was an interspecies war between 2 species of primates

            How can you prove this theory? In the sense that there was a war that was expressed in an organized attack of the parties on each other?
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              14 July 2025 14: 51
              Quote: Puncher
              ......How can you prove.......

              How to prove it? With Stanislav Drobyshevsky's lectures!
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                14 July 2025 15: 23
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Lectures by Stanislav Drobyshevsky!

                Drobyshevsky called baboons one of the first enemies of Australopithecus, of which there were plenty. But there was no talk of any war. This was a hunter-prey relationship, not a rival tribe.
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                  14 July 2025 15: 40
                  Quote: Puncher
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Lectures by Stanislav Drobyshevsky!
                  ........
                  there was no talk of any war. This is a hunter-prey relationship, not a rival tribe

                  Well, okay. But if baboons are enemies of Australopithecus, then baboons were hunters. But Australopithecus were more developed! That's how. Most likely, both species (or groups of species) were omnivores, with a predominance of meat food. Baboons took physical strength and aggressiveness, and Australopithecus were less aggressive, and took more than other animals, intelligence. Well, and accordingly weapons. And they waged wars for territory and food
                  Well, let's say Pithecanthropus (middle Homo), and even late Homo, had both wars and alliances (most likely temporary), and regardless of species. Something like that.
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            14 July 2025 13: 48
            Seriously? What wars were there back then?
            To wage wars, you need to be at a fairly high level of social development. What, did the Australopithecus have an organized army? Maybe they even had their own military-industrial complex?

            There are actually three known species of Australopithecus (Australopithecine afarensis (known from the remains of "Lucy"), Australopithecus africanus, and Australopithecus sediba).
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              14 July 2025 15: 01
              Quote: Illanatol
              Seriously? What wars were there back then?
              To wage wars, one must be at a sufficiently high level of social development........

              Common chimpanzees, for example, have a level of social development that is a little lower than any Australopithecus. And wars--- they do exist! And they are not always accompanied by cannibalism (although this also sometimes happens). And even those animals that do not shine with intelligence, there are wars for territory (the same living space), for example wolves (although they do have intelligence) or monkeys in India. And wars between lions and hyenas are generally unknown for what reason, literally blood feud. Or crows and owls. Something like that.
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                15 July 2025 08: 15
                This can hardly be called a war. Then the division of territories between street gangs and hunting can also be called a war. You interpret this concept too broadly.
                Intraspecific or interspecific competition is not war. And similar showdowns between animals (usually predatory macrophages or omnivores) are, yes, for control over territories and/or food resources.
                Between lions and hyenas - definitely because of food. Packs of hyenas often take prey from lions and kill their cubs.

                As for wars, especially modern ones, they are carefully "biologized", trying to give them a natural character. But more often wars are waged for reasons that are more socio-economic than natural-biological. Real war is the lot of rational beings. Although reason in this case is quite questionable.
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                  15 July 2025 09: 42
                  Good afternoon, Anatoly! hi You, as I understand it, mean that real wars are waged only between States. But let's say, the North American Indians were not (in the 19th century) a state, which did not prevent them from organizing the Yankee Pontiac Rebellion! And not long before that they had intertribal squabbles (the warpath!).
                  The ancient Germans were not states for a long time, they cut each other, which did not prevent them from fighting with the Roman Republic (the era of the Empire after Augustus was the era of Decline), and at the right moment they came to their senses and joined, already in the era of the Empire, the Visigothic Union against the Huns!
                  And the Papuans still have wars for many thousands of years without any particular reason, and not for socio-economic reasons, but for natural-biological reasons. Namely, they eat each other, because on their huge but poor island there is a lot of vegetation, but very little meat food, and they are pragmatic comrades and do not profess veganism. It is precisely because of the poverty of the island's nature in meat that their agriculture is so developed! After all, they have, apart from wallabies, lyrebirds, echidnas and other large animals -- a cat to cry over.
                  So, there is no sharp boundary between man and animals, between the state and tribes, between war and banditry! That's it.
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                    15 July 2025 13: 36
                    Wars are not always fought between states; after all, there are civil wars. But wars, large-scale armed (what weapons do animals have besides fangs and claws?) conflicts, are fought between well-organized groups of intelligent beings.
                    The North American tribes did not have a state, but they were already on the threshold of creating one. They were not so wild, some had crafts and agriculture. And they were capable of uniting for a common goal, which is why they were able to kick Custers' soft spot.
                    Roughly the same can be said about the Germans, Celts and others. There was no state yet, but a fairly high level of social organization, structuring, class-caste - as if already there.

                    As for the Papuans, I am not sure that the skirmishes between them amount to a full-fledged war. The scale is too small and, despite the practice of cannibalism, the skirmishes were not very bloody.
                    The irony is that from the point of view of these Papuans, Europeans might appear as cruel and unreasonable savages.
                    To kill so many people, for no apparent reason, and not to taste the fruits of victory (in the literal sense)... what kind of unreasonable and barbaric cruelty is this, incomprehensible to the completely rational mind of a normal Papuan!
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                      15 July 2025 15: 00
                      Quote: Illanatol
                      ..........what kind of unreasonable and barbaric cruelty is this, incomprehensible to the completely rational mind of a normal Papuan!

                      Yes, the actions of ancient, and not so ancient people, are often incomprehensible.
                      For example, there is a lot that is unclear in the actions of the Indians of Central and South America, which I find very interesting and like.
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                        16 July 2025 08: 19
                        Incomprehensible. Maybe it is incomprehensible because their behavior is not very natural? And is dictated by reasons that are, from our point of view, irrational? But for the Indians themselves, their behavior and customs (human sacrifices, "flower wars") were quite reasonable and logical, based on religious dogmas.

                        In general, the biologization of wars and conflicts is quite controversial from a logical point of view. After all, the progress and development of humanity includes a gradual shift from the biologization of behavior to socialization. There is less and less natural behavior, more and more social norms and prohibitions. Based on the point of view of supporters of biologization, wars should become more and more humane, since people are increasingly moving away from the natural, biological in their behavior and motivation. In practice, it is strictly the opposite.

                        I have always been amused by the expression "barbaric cruelty". It is precisely civilized nations that show records of cruelty. Could savage barbarians have thought up "death camps" or the scientific experiments of Unit 731?

                        And yes... in the animal world, you can find something like real wars. Not between lions and hyenas, but between different species of ants, and also between ants and termites. Again, this is possible due to the rather complex social structure inside anthills and termite mounds. Some scientists even consider communities of such insects to be a kind of superorganisms capable of behavior close to rational.
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                        16 July 2025 09: 49
                        Yes, Anatoly, ants and termites will still give scientists many surprises. I once watched Gordon in the 90s about the intelligence of ants - amazing! But after all, different species of ants not only have wars, but also so-called confederations!(a scientific term, I read it in Kipyatkov's article) Including interspecies. But interspecies communication is not a sign of intelligence -- mice have it too. But ants' arithmetic solutions are super! Once, as a child, I kicked an anthill, and they all immediately rushed to fix it! Including those individuals who were far from the anthill itself! For example, on "paths". Therefore, the opinion about a superorganism has a right to exist, unless it is telepathy.
                        And biologization... You can't escape it! Remember base and superstructure.While we are still living people, and not robots or spirits. Passionarity, well, it happens to the same ants and termites --- self-sacrifice for the sake of the Collective, well, and barren castes. And what about military spoils??? After all, no one has canceled it
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        14 July 2025 10: 11
        Up until the Second World War inclusive, we (humanity) did not know each other's time and lived from war to war, and if we take the end of WWII as the starting point as the last war where continents fought, large alliances of countries with millions of victims, etc., then look at what technological progress has occurred since that moment.
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    14 July 2025 07: 35
    Quote: depressant
    Note the similarity between human behavior and the behavior of higher animals.


    Controversial. Ethologists have shown that wolf packs take care of their elders. After all, they are the bearers of valuable practical experience in survival and adaptation.
    If you live to old age, it means you are very adaptable and your genes are worth preserving and passing on to future generations.
    It is not for nothing that many nations have such respect for the elderly.
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      14 July 2025 07: 50
      Quote: Illanatol
      It is not for nothing that many nations have such respect for the elderly.

      Humanity survived only because of kindness to each other. Without mutual assistance, they would have died out long ago.
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        14 July 2025 07: 54
        Quote: Puncher

        Humanity survived only because of kindness to each other. Without mutual assistance, they would have died out long ago.


        Of course. Altruism and the priority of the public, the collective over personal interests are the guarantee of survival and development. However, Darwin mentioned this.
        It's funny when Darwinism and social Darwinism are mixed together. They are two very different things, as they used to say in Odessa.
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    14 July 2025 08: 14
    The article is not bad, but I didn’t like the conclusion.
    What the author writes... Darwinism should not be unequivocally identified with militarism, since it was popular with both the left and the right...
    How can this be understood if Nazism was based on Darwin’s ideas, there is a direct connection between Darwinism and Nazism.
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      15 July 2025 15: 54
      Quote: bober1982
      How can this be understood if Nazism was based on Darwin’s ideas, there is a direct connection between Darwinism and Nazism.

      Oh, God bless them. Darwinism in principle excludes the emergence of reason. Reason can in no way be the result of natural selection, according to Darwin) If your opponent uses the wrong theory, his decisions cannot be correct. So let them fool around)
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    14 July 2025 10: 09
    They overprotect the weak and the poor, build asylums for the feeble-minded and the sick, and support the ill with modern medicine and vaccination. Darwin wrote that

    thus the weak and unfit multiply, which is harmful to the human race.

    and the destruction of the weak and unadapted people even more harmful...
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    14 July 2025 15: 15
    Well, in fact, social Darwinism was the basis of Nazism, and even now the West is guided by it in relation to Russia.
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    15 July 2025 15: 51
    As is well known, America as a country was created by the Masons. It was they who gave form to the disorderly robbery and murder that was its foundation. Until the 60s of the 20th century, no one in America saw the need to hide this indisputable fact. What are the main ideas of Masonic lodges?
    There are two. The first is the greatest possible wealth and significance of each lodge member. And the second is forcing all of humanity to do good! That's right! To do good, as Masons understand it. Moreover, in achieving their goals, they do not use morality or law, and are not interested in any human limitations. Because lodge leaders have always considered themselves to be superhuman.
    That is why the ideas of Darwinism have always been extremely popular in America. Eugenics, from forced sexual selection to lobotomy, has been and is used in America. SIDS - sudden infant death syndrome, is a very American diagnosis. Because Americans use the ideas of natural selection to the fullest for their children.
    So the Americans have no problems with the use of this very selection in matters of war...
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    7 August 2025 16: 20
    Under Frederick the Great, the tallest men were drafted into the army, and the overall height of Germans decreased.
    Under Hitler, all blondes were drafted into the army, and now Germans are far from handsome.
    But in Ukraine, instead of black-browed people, suddenly numerous "descendants of the Aryans" appeared. As they say, the sins of the fathers.
    This is a direct influence of war on genetics.

    But war, as an engine of progress and an impartial auditor for kleptocracies - we see this here and now.
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      14 October 2025 11: 11
      Quote from Kuziming
      Under Frederick the Great, the tallest men were drafted into the army, and the overall height of Germans decreased.

      It's like drinking Coca-Cola to do a quadruple toe loop on skates.
      It's just a coincidence. For example, the Japanese nation grew almost 20 cm after the war, but this wasn't due to the amorousness of the occupying contingent, but simply to improved living conditions and nutrition.
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    14 October 2025 11: 08
    I would like to point out that violence can be justified by anything.
    The most peaceful religious books, such as the Bible or the Koran, have repeatedly served as justification for the bloodiest of carnage. And Darwinism is no exception—people can use anything to justify their cannibalistic goals.
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      13 November 2025 00: 43
      I completely agree, and those who advocate a natural human inclination toward violence are very kind and polite in the world, and wouldn't step on anyone's toes to avoid becoming a victim of this violence. Theorists of war as a means of developing society and civilization are perfectly corrected by the front lines and military hospitals, though it's a shame they have little chance of getting there.
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    1 November 2025 21: 27
    1. Darwin was a scientist, and his theory should be approached exclusively from a scientific point of view. His recognized works have no relation to social science whatsoever, and his opinions on social processes are not taken into account. 2. Using science to justify anything has nothing to do with science. 3. Using ethics as the cause of social processes is idealism, which automatically removes the work from scientific circulation. 4. In discussions of war, political nations are literally everywhere accepted as a monolith, while there is no monolith, especially in the case of war: in war, significant shares of the ruling class do not perish. But workers die en masse, and for them, selection looks like this: in war, those who obediently submit and go to war for the interests of others against the interests of the workers perish.
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      13 November 2025 11: 07
      Quote: Pandemic
      He was a scientist and his theory should be approached exclusively from a scientific point of view.
      That's if you're an honest person and don't want to fool someone who watches Dom-2, Ren-TV, and other such nonsense every day. But public figures who try to shift public opinion often distort what they say. Moreover, they can distort it simply by plucking inconvenient moments from the description and exploiting your system of accepted omissions.
      Take Himmler, for example. He might be described as an exemplary family man, etc., and generally a normal, reasonable person, but when details emerge—a nightlight shade made of human skin, etc.—he's seen as something entirely different.
      You're right that rules are needed when handling information. But not everyone needs them.