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Not number, but quality

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The Defense Ministry increasingly values ​​the professionalism of military personnel.


Not number, but qualityThe Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General Sergei Shoigu, again drew attention to the need for a systematic increase in the number of contract servicemen. This was stated at the next meeting of the leadership of the Armed Forces, held last Monday at the Situation Center of the RF Armed Forces. According to the minister, by the end of this year in the army and on navy There must be at least 240 thousand contractors.

“Thus, in the year of 2013, taking into account the dismissal of personnel, it is necessary to select and employ more than 60 thousand people under contract for military service ... A large-scale task requiring significant efforts from managers at all levels,” Shoigu said. He reminded his subordinates that the presidential decree of 7 of May of last year “On the further improvement of military service in the Russian Federation” has been tasked to increase the number of contract servicemen by at least 50 thousand annually for five years. For its implementation in 2012, a new system of recruitment of this category of military personnel was created, quantitative indicators and priorities in recruiting military posts were determined.

In the development of the theme at the meeting, Deputy Minister of Defense - State Secretary Nikolai Pankov made a report. According to him, in general, the number of soldiers and sergeants employed in contractual service should be 425 thousand people by the beginning of 2017 of the year. And by January 1, the 2013, of which there were only 186 thousand of such servicemen. Many independent experts noted earlier that such a goal, stated even under the former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov, initially looked too ambitious and difficult to achieve. However, Sergei Shoigu, as they say, also signed the obligation to achieve the intended goal. And now Nikolai Pankov reported that the recruitment of contract servicemen is even ahead of schedule.

“In the current year, the targets for the first quarter were fulfilled by 107%. “They were selected and accepted for military service under the contract 10 699 people,” the deputy minister stressed. “We plan to employ at least 18,5 thousand people for military service in the second quarter, including 4,5 thousand people in April”.

And yet Pankov, citing pleasant quantitative indicators, himself proposed to place particular emphasis on qualitative indicators. The ministry tried to spell out very clearly the requirements that are set when recruiting for candidates for military service under the contract and for contract servicemen already serving in all its stages. Identified high enough requirements. And if at least one of them contracted ceases to comply, he is subject to dismissal.

“The results of the eight-month work on the recruitment of contractors show very, very good qualities taken to the service,” said Nikolai Pankov. - Among the newly recruited during this period, we have not a single emergency incident, not a single violation of military discipline, and finally, not a single report on dismissal. This means that today highly motivated young people come to the contract. ”

During the discussion of the problem, the Minister of Defense separately drew attention to such a category of contract servicemen as warrant officers and warrant officers. Everyone remembers that the former head of the department Serdyukov tried to eliminate them as a class. However, Shoigu decided to restore the category. Already demanded this week to prepare a directive with a list of established posts for ensigns and warrant officers, stressing that these should be technical posts only. “There are no warehouses, no bases - only for those places where we really need specialists for servicing sophisticated equipment and sophisticated weapons systems,” said Sergey Shoigu.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 14 2013 08: 08 New
    0
    "" No warehouses, no bases "

    Everything has already been divided into civilians. smile
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 14 2013 14: 10 New
      +2
      Warehouses and bases are one thing. But the moral, military and political training must be at its best. After all, the fact is that modern young people going to serve on a contract basis must understand that they can be sent to the zone of armed conflicts at any moment, and that they will not pick flowers there, but fulfill their duty to the Motherland. Whatever it was like in the first Chechen war, when a rooster pecked in the ass, many high-ranking officers fell ill, went into refusal, arguing that they would not say they would fight with "peaceful" citizens. Why do we need such defenders? And even now there are such "cadres" among the officers who resist when they are sent to hot spots. If we have (a few) such "defenders" among the officers, then what to talk about about the rank and file. So quality in this case is needed first of all. And as a result, the same advertisement that we are talking about on the next forum thread.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 14 2013 14: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Sirocco
        the first Chechen war, when a rooster pecked in the ass, many high-ranking officers fell ill, went into refusal, arguing that they would not fight with "peaceful" citizens.

        In principle, this fact is easy to explain, remember what was the attitude of the state towards the army, what anti-army campaign was launched in the media and society. When veterans of military operations in the military registration and enlistment offices were told: "We did not send you there!"
        Here's the result! First of all, it is necessary to raise the prestige of the army service, to conduct patriotic education at the state level, then there will be no such "officers"!
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 14 2013 15: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: vilenich
          "we didn't send you there!"

          It is comforting that changes in the army began with the advent of a new minister. I hope in the brains of civil servants, changes will also occur so that they no longer have to hear the above from their lips.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov April 14 2013 22: 31 New
            +2
            “I hope there will be changes in the minds of civil servants as well,” why would one confidant of the president be replaced by another.
            "The Defense Ministry is increasingly appreciating the professionalism of servicemen" - this is a very sensible tendency, because with the destruction of the military education system, there will be nowhere to get new specialists, if only to subscribe from England.
      2. eagle11
        eagle11 April 15 2013 13: 37 New
        0
        Wake up! What is the first war in Chechnya? Political game, they didn’t let us fight and now they don’t. Why are you silent about the participants who are now killed when the Czechs find out the addresses and kill even those already dismissed? In Chechnya, the army is like a whipping boy, a one-goal game!
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 14 2013 08: 12 New
    +4
    Of course, only For! That's just not quite clear
    “No warehouses, no bases - only to those places where we really need specialists in servicing complex equipment and complex weapons systems,”

    Well, there will be "sergeants" and "sergeants" in these positions, will that change there? It would be logical that the titles "ensign" and "midshipman" would bring, apart from moral, material satisfaction, more significant than the title of "sergeant" or "petty officer"
    1. opkozak
      opkozak April 14 2013 10: 02 New
      +3
      “No warehouses, no bases - only to those places where we really need specialists in servicing complex equipment and complex weapons systems”


      We read the law on the State Reserve.
      The state reserve is a special federal (all-Russian) stock of material assets and constitutes the property of the treasury of the Russian Federation.

      The state reserve is intended for:

      - ensuring the mobilization needs of the Russian Federation;

      - ensuring emergency work in response to emergencies;


      The state reserve is subordinate to the Ministry of Defense. So, it turns out that the army will not have any reserves, and these warehouses will be transferred to the Ministry of Economy.

      Probably Shoigu meant something else. Unclear.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 14 2013 13: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: opkozak
        Probably Shoigu meant something else. Unclear.

        Yes, he apparently just said on the topic of the day! Therefore, as the word "ensign" immediately evokes specific negative associations, there is an image of a hefty man who runs a warehouse, and at night in sacks drags everything that comes to hand from the warehouse!
        It is unlikely that in the words of the minister, in relation to "no warehouses", you need to look for some deep meaning, so I got myself a little points ...
  3. mogus
    mogus April 14 2013 08: 16 New
    +5
    not on the topic, but: on April 13, at the age of 90, the outstanding chief designer of Soviet tanks Leonid Nikolayevich Kartsev died at his home in Moscow http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/04/blog-post_8633.html?m = 1

    And good
    April 11, Putin was in the village of Bad (Trans-Baikal Territory), a decision was made to restore the military unit. Strategic airfield.
    1. Urkodav
      Urkodav April 14 2013 08: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: mogus
      Putin was

      Quote: mogus
      a decision was made to restore

      Conclusion: it is an icon for all strategic ruins to carry. From Moscow is not visible smile
  4. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator April 14 2013 08: 21 New
    +4
    Defined quite high requirements. And if at least one of them the contractor ceases to comply, he is subject to dismissal.
    Served as a contractor for 15 years, ceased to correspond on one point and go walk without an apartment and pension negative
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 April 14 2013 08: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Svatdevostator
      Served as a contractor for 15 years, ceased to correspond on one point and go walk without an apartment and pension

      This suggests that today highly motivated young people come to serve on the contract.


      Motivation of highly motivated people.

      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr April 14 2013 11: 45 New
        +8
        That’s nothing. At one time, Mr. Taburetkin waved his fist in front of the commanders’s nose (when Medvedev visited Ulan-Ude) and directly demanded that not a single contract soldier serve in the army for more than 8-9 years. The commanders will personally be responsible for this. (If you remember, a soldier who has served in the army for 10 years or more acquires the right to an apartment from the Moscow Region)
        1. Suhov
          Suhov April 14 2013 16: 53 New
          0
          Quote: AleksUkr
          At one time, Mr. Taburetkin ... explicitly demanded that no contractor should serve in the army for more than 8-9 years ... because .... a soldier who has served in the army for 10 years or more acquires the right to an apartment from the Moscow Region

          Economical, 3,14 ...
  5. Kolya
    Kolya April 14 2013 08: 41 New
    +3
    Modern weapons should only be operated by professionals!
  6. Urkodav
    Urkodav April 14 2013 08: 43 New
    +1
    A 100% contract army is utopia. There are troops and posts where contract soldiers are needed, but the whole army cannot be blamed on double basses.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr April 14 2013 12: 04 New
      +5
      A contractor is an employee who has entered into a contract in the Russian Federation for passing to services in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.
      A mercenary is a person whose legal basis for activity is established by the Geneva Convention. In short, this is a person who is paid money for participating in hostilities. In addition, he does nothing else. He fights in the territory of a foreign state for money, is not a citizen of this state or a person residing permanently in this territory, DOES NOT ARE / SERVING any of the parties to the conflict. Accordingly, the status of a prisoner of war does not apply to him and he can be prosecuted if captured (or shot for a bathhouse, as luck would have it).

      It turns out: A mercenary costs money, based on his skills, experience, etc., the contractor works for the grandmas who give, without asking him!
      Well, it's like Russian realities, but in general it is the same thing, work for grandmas.

      And NOW REMEMBER: History shows that the sovereigns who manage their own armies achieved the greatest success, and the mercenaries did great harm.

      And an example of this is the free and strong Sparta and Rome (while in Rome there was a draft army). But Carthage, summoning the mercenaries to his defense, was miraculously not captured by them, although the Carthaginian commanders were at the head of the mercenaries.

      In the most difficult times for Italy, when power passed into the hands of the pope and several disparate republics, mercenaries were called to help. Their "valor" led to the fact that Italy was plundered - first it was ruined by Karl, then Louis, Ferdinand and the Swiss.

      Mercenaries, forgetting about the duty to protect the country, performed a series of actions that significantly weakened the security of Italy and reduced the danger and burdens for themselves.

      In the draft army, the military team is aimed at protecting society from armed attacks from outside, and is inextricably linked with its country.

      And under a hired army, a military collective becomes a group of well-armed people who serve not the country, but only a narrow clan or social group in power, paying for their work and using mercenaries to achieve personal goals.

      In turn, people who are not in power structures and who advocate a hired army also pursue their goals.

      Unfortunately, among the Russian officer corps, proposals for a hired army are also heard. Every year they are tired of educating new recruits who are not eager to serve the homeland. But gradually, the officers begin to realize the shortcomings of mercenary soldiers: low discipline, audacity and open disobedience. The officer has practically no effective leverage on the mercenary soldier - in any conflict, the contractor threatens with his departure from the army.

      Contractors do not disdain to steal and sell products, gasoline, spare parts, as well as ammunition and weapons.

      Great Britain has a mercenary army. But this country never had the danger of an enemy invasion of its territory. Do not forget that the professional English army, together with the French, defeated the Wehrmacht, created in Germany on the basis of universal conscription.

      So can a "small and professional army" defend Russia if there is a vast territory, natural resources and neighbors claiming its resources?
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 April 14 2013 12: 30 New
        0
        Do not confuse with foreign mercenaries.
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr April 14 2013 14: 18 New
          +1
          Among any - foreign or ours, there are different people with different views, their principles and other gadgets. But a mercenary is a mercenary. Ask the officers involved in the Chechen campaigns. There will be different opinions, but there will be more negative. Although there were our contract soldiers, and on the other hand, true mercenaries. Our separate comrades, especially in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who in turn stood in order to leave for Chechnya. Not because of patriotism, but the opportunity to earn pr ... And not always in the battles they differed for the better ... Let not the honest and decent be offended. You, fortunately the majority!
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 14 2013 14: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: AleksUkr
        So can a "small and professional army" defend Russia if there is a vast territory, natural resources and neighbors claiming its resources?

        No claim to know-it-all laurels ...
        From the beginning of the 20s of the last century and until Hitler came to power, the German "army" under the leadership of von Seeckt "vegetated" disguised as the police, self-defense forces, firemen ... The selection for service in this "army" was the most brutal - the most healthy and thinking. Thus, the potential "garbage" was "weeded out". Subsequently, when "filling" the Wehrmacht units on the eve of World War II, those who served in von Seeckt's "army" as a private, received a squad, platoon, and sometimes a company under their command.
        The basis of the Wehrmacht was formed by the "backbone", fostered in advance, which brought success, and considerable, at the first stage of the Great Patriotic War.
        Today's "double basses" are the commanders of the same squads, platoons and companies in case of a "hot" conflict and partial, or perhaps complete, mobilization.
        hi
        1. OTTO
          OTTO April 14 2013 21: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Today's "double basses" are the commanders of the same squads, platoons and companies in case of a "hot" conflict and partial, or perhaps complete, mobilization.
          Only there is one small one but who will fill the platoons and squads that will be led by ordinary contract soldiers. This requires a trained reserve, and a reserve is possible only with universal military duty.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 14 2013 16: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: AleksUkr
        in any conflict, the contractor threatens to leave the army.

        Respected! Have you heard anything about the laws of wartime? And about the military oath? Contractors are citizens of the Russian Federation, not mercenaries from neighboring countries! which you had, apparently, in mind. Believe me, if it smells fried, no one will run anywhere. If they are, they will be engaged in VSK under desertion.
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr April 14 2013 16: 20 New
          +2
          For information - take an interest in military registration and enlistment offices. They had to carry out the search not only conscripts. And in this case, this is not a military conflict, but a conflict with the commanders. For the double bass does not always want to carry out current work even for its own service. And at the slightest more stringent demand - threats - a report on the table. For not previously selected for the contract, but dialed , i.e. fulfilled the plan.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. April 14 2013 22: 27 New
            +3
            I liked the word SUPER-TIME, the person who, having served the urgent, remained in the army. "Contractor" came with capitalism. Specialists and professionals are needed in the army, it's stupid to even argue, but there is a difference in the motivation of army service. I don't think that the incentive of big babos fosters patriotism, especially when there is a constitutional duty. In general, a professional army is not synonymous with a contract army, the army of the Soviet Union was professional in this sense, just like our Soviet hockey was professional (and what has become of hockey now ...). Be urgent for three years, such a conscript is no worse than a contract soldier (or even better), especially if only the best (with benefits and bonuses) are selected for three years, and the rest, after the courses of army and civil defense reservists, for civil service work off in the army fund, in the fund of those who serve in the army for three years urgent). This would not only save the budget for contract soldiers, but also replenish the military budget at the expense of the civil service. In addition, the army and civil service would create a mobilization reserve. As for the contract soldiers, then they would have found a place as military specialists and technicians. It is a pity that Sergei Shoigu is not like-minded here.
  7. Atlon
    Atlon April 14 2013 08: 45 New
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    And I still think that EVERY man should serve in the Army. When I served in 1988-1990, the first six months I served in a sergeant school (training), and they taught and drove us to the conscience. For six months, they taught the Morse code (I am a signalman), work on a teletype (typing on the keyboard), work at radio stations: R-140, P106, P109. They taught us how to "unwind wires", organize and deploy communication centers (military specialties: commander of a radio station, commander of a communication center, radiotelegraph operator, telegraph operator). In addition, twice a week they took me to the shooting range, fired from a machine gun, machine gun, pistol, and threw grenades. They dug in, ran, jumped and wore outfits. On Saturdays, PCBs, etc. In other words, they managed everything in six months! At the same time, dachas were not built, and they did not sit still. For half a year of such active service, we received maximum knowledge of military service. But the remaining year and a half, to be honest, I was engaged in (in the army) that was waiting for demobilization. It is my deep conviction that EVERY young man who is healthy MUST go through military service in the training mode. On the condition, of course, that the educational process will be as intense and intense as I had. During these half a year, everyone will be able to decide for himself whether he wants to continue serving (go to a contract) or not. But in the case of mobilization, everyone will be able to at least shoot, and have an idea of ​​military discipline, military order, military brotherhood, etc. This is my opinion.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 April 14 2013 10: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: Atlon
      It's my opinion.

      And this is the correct opinion.

      When in front of you the commander is like a spring, how the hell, how
      magnificent mechanism, dry lean, you look at it and you want to become the same devil!
      You fall in love with the commander, imitate him! You want to earn approval. I'd like to prove that you, too, do not bast.
      Now, if there are such commanders, then they will be in the army
      asking for it!
      1. crest 57
        crest 57 April 14 2013 15: 57 New
        0
        One hundred pounds! I didn’t have a chance to serve myself, but I found a school two-week trip to the camp on the subject of NVP. I remember one of the military commander's schools had a captain of about 35 years, and we and the others had a pre-retirement subpolankan. One day they attached this captain to us and he drove our school off on a march-throw, probably about 10 km. There was everything: a field, ravines, a swamp, all kinds of flashes from right to left, gases. In general, when they arrived at the camp, what was called a vidon. And the captain not only ran around like a horse, then in front of the column, now behind, and the view - like in a parade. The real officer. We, the guys from our school, were jealous of those guys who he was a military instructor.
      2. Atlon
        Atlon April 14 2013 16: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        When the commander is in front of you like a spring, like hell, like a magnificent mechanism, dry, lean, you look at him and you want to become the same devil! You fall in love with the commander, imitate him! You want to earn approval.

        100 percent true! It was so with us! The platoon was from Afghanistan, commissioned (for the wound), starley. So when the rest ran three laps around the stadium in the mornings, we were 5 km away from the checkpoint through the forest. And on Saturday, all 10. I drove to the shooting range constantly. And how many trenches I dug with a sapper shovel! laughing In general, the platoon commander did not recognize any marks other than "excellent". At least for shooting, at least for putting on the OZK. You will train until you get excellent. "Good" did not suit him either, for "satisfactory" outfits he handed out like hot cakes! There was a man! And he himself ran with us, and jumped, and passed the obstacle course. But NOBODY dared to snap back, or refuse. We trained to tears! With anger. That would be physically no worse than the "decommissioned" starley. So that's it.
      3. OTTO
        OTTO April 14 2013 22: 22 New
        +1
        I agree one hundred percent. But unfortunately in our country they often say "do as I said" than "do as I do".
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 14 2013 14: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: Atlon
      But I still think that EVERY man should serve in the Army.

      Man - with a capital letter.
      Military service lays the initial and necessary foundation in the brain of a NORMAL man, with an understanding of duty, discipline, and subordination.
      With the understanding that with you may ask as well you have to answer.
      And they will ask:
      - a life;
      - wife;
      - mother-in-law;
      - the boss, commander, boss (and maybe the president);
      - children, etc.
      soldier
  8. self-propelled
    self-propelled April 14 2013 08: 49 New
    +3
    "...the number of soldiers and sergeants hired by the contract should be 425 thousand people by the beginning of 2017 year..."
    ambitious plans. and to realize them, a lot needs to be done. one increase in wages will not be enough (although wages play an important role). It is necessary to increase the prestige of the armed forces!
  9. fenix57
    fenix57 April 14 2013 09: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    It would be logical that the titles "ensign" and "midshipman" would bring, apart from moral, material satisfaction, more significant than the title of "sergeant" or "petty officer"

    "Material satisfaction" (official salary), if I am not mistaken, more significantly depends on the position, and not on the / rank.
    Quote: Atlon
    But I still think that EVERY man should serve in the Army

    Oh, how correctly respected, but without a pro these days, by no means (the technique is complicated, and young people learn little over the YEAR). hi
    1. Nick
      Nick April 14 2013 11: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      Quote: Atlon
      But I still think that EVERY man should serve in the Army
      Quote: fenix57
      Oh, how correctly respected, but without a pro these days, by no means (the technique is complicated, and young people learn little over the YEAR).

      One does not interfere with the other, but helps. The guy served urgently, felt what the army was and if he stayed on the contract, then without a doubt and "snot". And to recruit on a contract who did not serve urgent IMHO is impractical. Large dropout possible ...
    2. vilenich
      vilenich April 14 2013 14: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      Oh, how correctly respected, but without a pro these days, by no means (the technique is complicated, and young people learn little over the YEAR).

      And rightly so, but another question arises, how to prepare a mobilization reserve? If according to the Soviet model, then urgent service is needed, if according to the Americans, it is unlikely that there will be enough money in the budget.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon April 14 2013 16: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: fenix57
        Oh, how correctly respected, but without a pro these days, by no means (the technique is complicated, and young people learn little over the YEAR)

        And I'm not talking about pilots, submariners, rocket men. There are many specialties in the army! Signalers, drivers, just motorized riflemen! What a mobreserve! At least a person can learn to use a machine! And he will understand how to "attack"! You know, everything is beautiful in the cinema ... And when they drove me, in the winter, through the snowdrifts "to take the height", I understood on my own skin how the victory was obtained. Maybe then there will be more respect for the veterans? And bullets don't whistle! And two or three times the platoon commander will "raise to the attack" to a height, so then you cough up bloody snot! And if the enemy is on top? So you still need to hand-to-hand! And which of the modern "heroes" of the nightclub life can do that? That would not become cannon fodder, and you need to go through training.

        Quote: Nick
        One does not interfere with the other, but helps. The guy served urgently, felt what the army was and if he stayed on the contract, then without a doubt and "snot".

        That's it. And until you try, you don’t understand! Yes, and benefits are needed. For example, he served an urgent, there he received the rights and permission for weapons. And he went on a contract, other buns are provided. Social elevators of all sorts. Then the prestige will be.

        Quote: vilenich
        And rightly so, but another question arises, how to prepare a mobilization reserve?

        half a year in NORMAL training, with NORMAL educational process, and "devils" commanders, and there will be a normal motorized rifleman!
  10. svp67
    svp67 April 14 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: fenix57
    "Material satisfaction" (official salary), if I am not mistaken, more significantly depends on the position, and not on the / rank.


    This means that he (the official salary) for positions that will be staffed by servicemen in the ranks of "ensign" or "midshipman" must be higher, significantly higher than the positions of "sergeant" staff ...
    1. Warchief
      Warchief April 14 2013 09: 57 New
      -6
      Warrant officers and warrant officers are not needed. Are needed professional sergeants.
      Waiting for cons from the reduced unnecessary thieving ensigns, approx.
      1. Slavs
        Slavs April 14 2013 10: 31 New
        +7
        Not all the ensurances near the kitchen were warming themselves and spent the night in warehouses ... Your profile picture says a lot ... Evolve, good luck.
  11. Misantrop
    Misantrop April 14 2013 10: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: Warchief
    Warrant officers and warrant officers are not needed. We need professional sergeants.

    And how to distinguish them from non-commissioned sergeants? How to motivate to sign (and renew) a contract? Again, in most midshipman posts, SPECIAL knowledge is needed, frankly NOT enough training. As a result, we get ... the same midshipmen and ensigns, only differently named
    1. Warchief
      Warchief April 14 2013 10: 45 New
      -2
      Quote: Misantrop
      SPECIAL knowledge needed, training frankly NOT ENOUGH

      I don’t see a problem to get the ensigns from the zagashnik school and re-profile them as sergeants.
      Quote: Misantrop
      As a result, we get ... the same midshipmen and ensigns, only differently named

      The goal is to get rid of this link between soldiers and officers. Optimization s.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 14 2013 11: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: Warchief
        Optimization s.
        Why the hell SUCH optimization is needed? If it is a SPECIAL link, with strictly defined requirements for it. Namely, competent specialists WITHOUT career growth in the ranks. Exactly the link that is critically lacking for the trouble-free operation of modern technology
        1. Warchief
          Warchief April 14 2013 11: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: Misantrop
          modern technology

          Which is not in the ground forces.
          1. bask
            bask April 14 2013 11: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: Warchief
            Which is not in the ground forces.

            Not just technology, but modern armored vehicles, there aren’t in the military. ((((If in single copies))) Why it’s not clear. The state spends huge amounts of money on defense.
            In the Caucasus, constantly undermining armored vehicles that do not have anti-mine protection. (((In Dagestan BTR-80)), there are losses. How long will we pay the lives of soldiers ?????
            Need to fight-sacrifice technology, not people.
            Passed the tests MRI, Bear, Typhoons, Urals, KamAZ. How many hundreds of units ... is it planned to be put into the troops and the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV in S.Kavkaz, in 2013? Answer 0000
            Serdyuk was removed by New MO, but nothing changes for the better. Some words, promises and breaking words. And soldiers continue to ride on armor in the 21st century and die. ... IED ...
            1. Warchief
              Warchief April 14 2013 19: 01 New
              +1
              And you try to explain to the local inhabitants the need for MRAPs and the uselessness of the wretched BTR-90 with BMP-3. I tried for a long time - only minus.
              1. bask
                bask April 14 2013 19: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Warchief
                And you try to explain to the local inhabitants the need for MRAPs

                Modern armored vehicles should be all with mine protection.
                Not only MCI, but also multipurpose armored vehicles, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, and MBT.
                Without this, in a modern asymmetric, sluggish conflict, there will be a surplus of loss.
                Of the messages from the Caucasus, during the storming of an apartment, a house, 5 militants were killed, one employee died, three were wounded ,, This should be it.
                Only fight with equipment. Now it is not in the troops and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                , but should be in sufficient quantities.
                Who can explain to me the nakoy started the production of the BTR-80 under the guise of the BTR-82. Which has no mine protection at all. And it is actively supplied to the troops and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the .S. Caucasus.
                I think it's criminal, so do not value the lives of soldiers and officers.
                1. Waterfall
                  Waterfall April 14 2013 19: 51 New
                  +1
                  You are not a true patriot, you are a traitor to the motherland, encroached on the sacred, on the lyumniki for the English Channel.
                  1. bask
                    bask April 14 2013 20: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: Wasserfall
                    You are not a true patriot, you are a traitor to the motherland, encroached on the sacred, on the lyumniki for the English Channel.

                    It would be funny, but for some reason not very. There will be no new armored vehicles in the troops in the next 6-8 years.
                    What to do? To modernize, that is, taking into account modern threats. And to purchase MDI, Typhoons, Bear, in large quantities. All units are in. S. Caucasus.
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop April 14 2013 11: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: Warchief
            Which is not in the ground forces.

            She will not be there, as long as there is no one to competently serve. And what will appear is immediately broken. Not on purpose, but simply out of ignorance
            1. bask
              bask April 14 2013 12: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              She will not be there, as long as there is no one to competently serve.

              I agree, but the MVD Ministry of Internal Affairs, the specialists are 100% contractual. And for the Republic of Armenia, drivers of the MRI, Typhoons, there should naturally be contract soldiers. With experience of driving not less than 5 years and with a secondary technical education (((road technical school) )).
              We, in view of the complete lack of work in civilian life. Many young people are going to serve under the contract ((((with technical education, there is a choice))) There would be modern armored vehicles.
  12. fenix57
    fenix57 April 14 2013 10: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    Again, in most midshipman posts, SPECIAL knowledge is needed, frankly NOT enough training.

    To do this, there were SCHOOLS OF THE ORGANIZERS (MICHMAN) and it was possible to get there with the formation of at least MEDIUM-TECHNICAL. hi
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop April 14 2013 11: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: fenix57
      it was possible to get there with the formation of not lower than MID-TECHNICAL.
      Well, and who were let out from there? Are not warrant officers and warrant officers? Those same PROFESSIONALS-CONTRACTORS, which are now SO lacking. By the way, they entered there after graduation. That's just the training period then instead of 2 years was 3 years. I took my foreman of the team immediately after the CT, I trained myself for several years. The result was the BEST foreman of the reactor compartment in the division
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 14 2013 15: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Misantrop
        I took my foreman of the team immediately after the CT, I trained myself for several years.

        Personal qualities have unconditional value: education, ability to learn (and this is also an important quality), responsibility is inculcated, as they say, in the place ...
        He was on an internship in 1985 on the 641 th Buki. I didn’t notice conscripts, I was fools, there was even then the only senior ship foreman in the entire ChKF — the conscript. However, the most competent specialists were two midshipmen who took the boat and drove from the Barents Sea to the Black
  13. Col.
    Col. April 14 2013 12: 17 New
    +8
    A few remarks:

    1. What is the "Situation Center of the RF Armed Forces"? There has never been such a body!
    There is the Center for Collective Use of the RF Armed Forces. This is one of the consequences of the "reforms", during which, among other things, military journalists, the military publishing house of the Ministry of Defense, all soldiers' and sailors' clubs, and the officers' houses were destroyed as a class. Now the army events are illuminated by civilian "feather sharks" who sometimes write such nonsense that you don't know whether to laugh or translate their pearls into normal language.
    2. Contractors, of course, are needed. But this is a variant of peacetime, or for solving tactical level tasks in local conflicts with a weak adversary. For a large-scale full-scale war, a lot of reservists are needed, and for this it is necessary that all serve military service! The regular army, as the experience of past wars shows, dies in the first few weeks, and then the people will fight. Or WILL NOT fight, with all that it implies ...
    3. It will be more and more difficult to recruit the required number of contract servicemen with an acceptable level of training (educational, physical) - all questions are to the "reformers" of education in the country.
    4. Warrant officers and warrant officers are absolutely necessary. I knew many warrant officers, each of whom was worth two or three young officers.
    5. Do not be shy to use the experience of the USSR Armed Forces. There was a lot of good!
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr April 14 2013 14: 32 New
      +1
      Do not be shy to use the experience of the USSR Armed Forces. There was a lot of good!

      That's right. But your words do not fall into our ears in our military-political leadership. They like figures lured and screaming wherever they get - ODOBRYAMS. Taburetkin has done a lot of business in matters of mobilization readiness of the army, the country. In which case - 41 years old may turn out to be flowers for us. BUT WE WILL HOPE FOR THE BEST ...
    2. Warchief
      Warchief April 14 2013 18: 43 New
      -6
      Quote: Colonel
      5. Do not be shy to use the experience of the USSR Armed Forces. There was a lot of good!

      Just about the experience of the USSR Armed Forces and you need to forget. Better yet, build a new army from scratchattracting for this only individual specialists of the old.
      1. Gregazov
        Gregazov April 14 2013 21: 37 New
        +3
        The implementation of this stupid fantasy began back in 1991. And now they are reaping the benefits. If they do not change the line with blood, we will wash ourselves more than once.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop April 14 2013 21: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: Warchief
          Just about the experience of the USSR Armed Forces and you need to forget

          Quote: GregAzov
          The implementation of this stupid fantasy began back in 1991. And now they are reaping the benefits.
          Exactly. Especially taking into account the fact that those who ruled at the top were those who did not know shit about the experience of the USSR Armed Forces. There was simply nothing to forget. The result is before us. And to call on "to build everything from scratch" can only be the one who hopes to weld on the invention (once again) of the "bicycle"
        2. Warchief
          Warchief April 15 2013 00: 45 New
          -3
          You are not quite right. Until 1993, the ministry and troops were still de facto allied.
          And the realization of this fantasy began in the 96th, when really massive layoffs of generals and officers began Soviet hardening based on the results of the Chechen company and how Soviet hardened officers there are managed.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt April 15 2013 02: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Colonel
            1. What is the "Situation Center of the RF Armed Forces"? There has never been such a body!
            There is the Central Committee of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
            It requires clarification hi The "Situation Center of the RF Armed Forces" is not a body, but a technically well-equipped room in the Central Command Center. Secure communication channels can be used to communicate with the same command center in Russia and many garrisons. Telecommunications, again, you can arrange videoconferences. The center is more than a year old, and journalists were allowed the first time, and then they did not stay there long. "They took off the picture" and "on the way out").
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop April 15 2013 21: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Warchief
            real mass dismissals of generals and officers of Soviet training began following the results of the Chechen company, and as officers of the Soviet training they managed there.

            There, the parquet generals, who had never shone with either valor or knowledge, were "done" there. And when an officer group brings from a business trip the result of only 74 field commanders (not counting ordinary militants) with one of their wounded, it is called somewhat differently
            1. Warchief
              Warchief April 15 2013 22: 41 New
              -2
              Quote: Misantrop
              There, the parquet generals, who had never shone with either valor or knowledge before

              The whole army was treated at the moment when the soldiers began to paint grass and lay snow in cubes instead of combat training. What do not crow, and taburetkin and his outsourcing were very out of place. And the military police - because now the guard service is its task.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop April 16 2013 21: 07 New
                0
                Quote: Warchief
                The whole army was treated at the moment when the soldiers began to paint grass and lay snow in cubes instead of combat training.
                If you were doing just that, then you should not assume that everyone was doing it without exception. Despite all your virtues, you are still not the center of the universe lol
  14. Col.
    Col. April 14 2013 12: 18 New
    0
    A few remarks:

    1. What is the "Situation Center of the RF Armed Forces"? There has never been such a body!
    There is the Center for Collective Use of the RF Armed Forces. This is one of the consequences of the "reforms", during which, among other things, military journalists, the military publishing house of the Ministry of Defense, all soldiers' and sailors' clubs, and the officers' houses were destroyed as a class. Now the army events are illuminated by civilian "feather sharks" who sometimes write such nonsense that you don't know whether to laugh or translate their pearls into normal language.
    2. Contractors, of course, are needed. But this is a variant of peacetime, or for solving tactical level tasks in local conflicts with a weak adversary. For a large-scale full-scale war, a lot of reservists are needed, and for this it is necessary that all serve military service! The regular army, as the experience of past wars shows, dies in the first few weeks, and then the people will fight. Or WILL NOT fight, with all that it implies ...
    3. It will be more and more difficult to recruit the required number of contract servicemen with an acceptable level of training (educational, physical) - all questions are to the "reformers" of education in the country.
    4. Warrant officers and warrant officers are absolutely necessary. I knew many warrant officers, each of whom was worth two or three young officers.
    5. Do not be shy to use the experience of the USSR Armed Forces. There was a lot of good!
  15. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa April 14 2013 15: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Urkodav
    it as an icon, it is necessary to carry on all strategic ruins. Not visible from Moscow

    Strongly said ... But the Supreme appeared a reliable ally - SK. Shoigu. Therefore, he will have everything in terms of ranking: from strategic deterrent forces (ICBM, DA, rpkSN, EKR system, etc.) to small arms. I think this is done with the filing of the Russian Defense Ministry. The DA airfield, which is dedicated to the attention of the President, will be built (reconstructed) with high quality and on time, as all clerks know that GDP has a habit of checking what people personally promised them. And this is dangerous for plankton! One thing pleases: the base system is being restored! Maybe the queue comes to the fleet?
  16. waisson
    waisson April 14 2013 19: 40 New
    +1
    YES PROPERTY WILL NOT squander Warrant Officer And A CIVIL WAR WILL LAST X ... And eats no salt with contracted THEY IS NOT VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE enlisted the corner COMMITTEE SHOULD SALDATSKIH mother with contract servicemen EASIER If something catches ARTICLE NESABLYUDENIYA A CONTRACT UNDER HER THAT YOU WANT YOU CAN SIGN
  17. shpuntik
    shpuntik April 15 2013 03: 21 New
    +1
    It's good to act like Switzerland: everyone has an automatic machine, a uniform, and is kept at home. Cheap and cheerful. And they serve all-not shamefully. And there is no advertising, I am sure, like: "Highly qualified lawyers will help you get an extension ..."
    1. UFO
      UFO April 15 2013 04: 10 New
      0
      Do you want to reduce the population at times? The mentality of a Russian person multiplied by the number of drunk + weapons. So tomorrow we will take the Winter Palace again. wassat belay
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik April 15 2013 13: 48 New
        +1
        No, Natalia, I don’t want to. The economy is at the core — populism can go broke :-) As an example: assistance to the countries of the socialist camp. They then bawled us. And, about the capture of the Winter, Eisenstein shot the filmets. Probably Lev Davidovich Bronstein asked ... Sorry, I don’t already believe in Soviet advertising, propaganda and the presentation of historical facts. I handed over the entire shelf of the Soviet political book ...
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 15 2013 21: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: UFO
        The mentality of a Russian person multiplied by the number of drunk + weapons
        Interestingly, if you have weapons at hand, they drink (and behave at the same time) MUCH more accurately. Precisely that Slavic mentality, people-warrior. I had to be present at such events more than once, never once did anyone begin to do stupid things
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 15 2013 21: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          Interestingly, if you have weapons at hand, they drink (and behave at the same time) MUCH more accurately

          I agree. There are fuses in the head. In any case, all of my friends, and me too.
  18. tarks
    tarks April 16 2013 21: 13 New
    0
    In the Empire there were nobles and Cossacks - military estates.