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Afghan order

February 15 is the Day of Remembrance of Internationalist Soldiers, the day of the end of military operations in Afghanistan. At veterans' meetings, you can meet people who have no military awards on their chests. There is a "Internationalist Warrior" badge, "From the Grateful Afghan People" and "70 Years of the USSR Armed Forces" medals, but no military awards. How can this be? Didn't they fight, didn't they swallow Afghan dust, didn't they carry out combat missions?

Veterans' comments on the topic: "At least kill every last spirit, if your unit doesn't have a quota for medals and orders, then you can forget about awards." It is unclear how the country's military and political leadership regulated heroism in the active army.



But if there is an order, then you don't have to do anything out of the ordinary. You'll still get it if certain conditions and rules of the game are met.

Order for awards: not all "Afghans" probably even know what this is. The order for awards was a list that determined the number of awards allocated to each regiment or division.

I recall the story of my friend, driver-mechanic Seryoga Boykov. In early 1980, our regiment transferred its combat vehicles (BMD) together with their crews to the 56th Airborne Assault Brigade. My friend, driver-mechanic Sergei Boykov, also went there. I met him only 30 years later. He told me that he was a driver-mechanic of a combat vehicle of one of the battalion commanders in the brigade. Their battalion "worked" along the Iranian border.

— The battalion commander calls me, — says Sergei. He is sitting at the table, with some papers in front of him. He says to me: “Boykov, I propose to present you for ‘Courage’.” And I, — continues Seryoga, — by that time had become a bit of a wreck, and had a good relationship with the battalion commander. I ask him: “Comrade Captain, why ‘For Courage’ and not ‘Red Star’?” He thought, — he says, — that it would slip through because of his closeness to the higher-ups (laughs). And the battalion commander replies: “Look, Boykov. They are giving me four ‘Red Stars’ and ten ‘For Courage’ for the battalion: a total of 14 awards. I’ve already racked my brains. How am I supposed to distribute them? There are only fifteen officers.”

The Afghan order became a symbol of a paradoxical and sometimes unfair reward system in which true valor could go unappreciated.

Before we were discharged into the reserve, demobilized sergeants of the third battalion of the 350th Guards Airborne Regiment, the battalion commander, Guards Captain Anatoly Frolandin, gathered us. He said some warm words of farewell and announced: “I have nominated each of you for the Order of the Red Star.” And then he added something like: “I don’t know how the situation will develop further, but I will try to do everything in my power.” We didn’t quite understand what he was talking about. When we dispersed, the battalion clerk came up to me and said: “You should have seen what happened at headquarters just now. They refused to accept the awards. Frol (the battalion commander) freaked out, said to their faces everything he thought about the staff, and cursed absolutely everyone who was there.” I was surprised and asked: “What’s the problem, why aren’t they accepting them?” The clerk replies: "But they (the officers) themselves don't all have orders yet: how can they give them to you?" At the time, it seemed strange. But it turned out that it was a system.

Over 600 thousand people passed through Afghanistan. Of these, 525,5 thousand were soldiers and officers of the Soviet Army, 21 thousand were civilian personnel, 95 thousand were KGB employees, including border guards, internal troops and police.

About 200 thousand military personnel received various orders and medals (including 11 thousand posthumously), and 86 people were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union (including 28 posthumously). Among those awarded were 110 thousand soldiers and sergeants, 20 thousand warrant officers, more than 65 thousand officers and generals, as well as over 2,5 thousand servicemen of the Soviet Army, including 1350 women.

The awarded military personnel are 110 thousand soldiers and sergeants and almost 90 thousand warrant officers, officers and generals. This is the ratio: almost one to one.

Most of the veteran conscripts who fought in the Afghan War have no combat awards on their chests, except perhaps for badges. This raises the question: why did the commanders value their services to the Motherland so "highly"? They fought on par with everyone else, but were not recognized by their platoon or company commanders. Although, judging by the ratio of awarded soldiers and officers, the commanders did not forget about themselves.

History Machine gunner of our platoon Yuri Zabotin is another example. In the spring of 1980, the company was ambushed. Yura was seriously wounded - a burst of machine gun fire pierced his abdomen. Hospital, surgery and discharge from the army with the assignment of disability. None of his fellow soldiers knew about his subsequent fate, but everyone was sure that Yura was awarded the Order of the Red Star. This was due for injury or death. And then about ten years ago, they gave me his phone number. We called each other, talked, remembered that day. I asked: "Yura, did you receive an award?" He answered: "Yes." I said: "The Red Star?" Yura answered: "No, "For Military Merit." How so? You have a serious injury, disability. "I don't know," he said, "a couple of years later they sent me "For Military Merit."

Speaking of awards, I recall the speech of the military prosecutor, who proposed sending a petition to Moscow to grant division commanders the right to award distinguished servicemen at least two medals by their order: soldiers - "For Courage", officers - "For Military Merit". This, they say, was how it was during the Great Patriotic War. The colonel gave an example from the film "Hot Snow": a general presented an order to a soldier right on the battlefield."

The answer came from Moscow: "It is not possible. There are no official military operations."

What can I say? We received a combat order, and we carried it out.

As for the assertion that military operations are not being conducted, before his death in May 1980, our regimental chief of staff, Guards Major Ivanov, managed to make a note in our military IDs on page 7: “In 1980, he participated in battles with rebel gangs while providing international assistance to the DRA.” Regimental seal and signature: Chief of Staff of military unit 65581, Guards Major Ivanov.


So officially there were no military actions, but they were legally confirmed by entries in military IDs.

From the memoirs of the deputy director of the foreign intelligence service, General Kirpichenko: “There were meetings with other ministers, including the Minister of War D. F. Ustinov. The latter held meetings leisurely, with tea parties and all sorts of distractions from the main topic. Sometimes the conversation took on a character far removed from the agenda. Once, during such a protracted digression from the topic, I began to entertain myself by counting the number and quality of the order bars of our military leaders and discovered a surprising harmony in the award system. Akhromeyev had one more order than Varennikov; Sokolov had one more order than Akhromeyev, and Ustinov had two more than Sokolov. Apparently, in the apparatus of the Central Committee of the CPSU, some special people vigilantly monitored that there were no violations of subordination. Every hero must know exactly his place in the ranks of heroes.”

P.S. The author does not set the task of exposing or insulting anyone. This essay is food for thought, nothing more.
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  1. +2
    8 July 2025 05: 41
    I don't know. My colleague at work, the chief engineer, is a Dagestani. In Afghanistan, he was a driver on a T-62, wounded, medal "For Courage", combat operations, mine explosions, grenade launcher hits. His fellow countryman also served in Afghanistan on a T-62, the tank in a caponier as a stationary firing point guarding the Cement Plant, once a month he started the tank and drove a circle around the area - is the usual "set" of the "Internationalist Warrior" badge, the medals "From the grateful Afghan people" and "70 years of the USSR Armed Forces" not combat-ready enough for him?!
    1. +3
      8 July 2025 08: 20
      For being wounded, one was awarded the Order of the Red Star.
      1. +2
        8 July 2025 10: 27
        For being wounded, one was awarded the Order of the Red Star

        In different ways. I don't think there was complete formalism-automatism. In any case, there were many more wounded than those awarded the Order of the Red Star.
        1. +7
          8 July 2025 10: 35
          That's what we're talking about. Moreover, many of the wounded returned without awards. And in the second half of the 80s, closer to the end, they began to invite Afghan veterans who were wounded and maimed to military registration and enlistment offices and present awards. These were not "lost" orders and medals. Gorbachev's order to award those who suffered in the Afghan conflict: the wounded and maimed, was being carried out.
          1. +1
            8 July 2025 10: 43
            For wounds, stripes were awarded, although it is a pity that there was no separate medal for combat wounds in the USSR. But now look at the photos from veterans' meetings of "Afghans" - there are a lot of people in "iconostases" of badges, medals and "stars", which each veteran organization orders and distributes at its own discretion.
            1. +3
              8 July 2025 10: 47
              Have you ever thought about why they hand them out? After two years of combat, the soldiers return home, just like those who served in the internal districts, with badges on their chests.
              1. -1
                8 July 2025 10: 59
                Over 500 thousand servicemen passed through Afghanistan. A conscript could not possibly spend more than 1,5 years in Afghanistan. Officers could spend several tours of duty in Afghanistan. So, pardon me, but not everyone climbed mountains with a machine gun or burned in ambushed columns. Therefore, everyone received a conditional "basic set" of medals and badges, and for peaceful life, the legal status of the participant and the benefits and payments due are much more important. Another thing is that from the mass combat awards, one order and two medals is an incredibly inflexible and limited choice for a rather large contingent, conducting very diverse combat operations of varying intensity and risk.
                1. +4
                  8 July 2025 11: 11
                  I don't quite understand what got you so hooked? Were you in Afghanistan as an officer? More than 600 thousand servicemen passed through Afghanistan. The pioneers were the participants of the December events of 1979. The conscripts were called up in October-November, some - in the first days of December 1979 and immediately got into this mess for all two years, this is the only conscription who got into all two years. Subsequent conscriptions were sent either after training in the division training centers, or after the so-called training. A year and a half in Afghanistan, but most often, they were not released for demobilization right away. Someone "lingered" for a couple of months, someone managed to get all four. I will not comment on the officers' business trips.
                  1. 0
                    8 July 2025 11: 35
                    Nothing caught my attention. I even agreed that the system of awards for Afghanistan was ineffective. Yes, and the first airborne units appeared in Afghanistan back in July 1979 - the 111th airborne battalion was transferred to guard the airfield in Bagram.
                    1. +1
                      8 July 2025 14: 10
                      The battalion of the 111th regiment did not take part in combat operations. The autumn conscription went to demobilization at the end of 1979, the battalion itself became part of the 345th regiment. If we follow this logic about the battalion's presence in Bagram, then the advisers should be called pioneers, there were already several thousand of them there in 1979. And I am talking about Operation Baikal-79 and the subsequent introduction of the 40th Army into Afghanistan. By the way, regarding the length of stay in Afghanistan: what does the length of stay have to do with the importance or danger of the tasks performed? The example I gave with machine gunner Yuri Zabotin: Yura was in Afghanistan for 4 months, was seriously wounded in the province of Kunar, not far from the Pakistani border, was discharged, and assigned a disability.
                2. +4
                  9 July 2025 12: 16
                  Almost all conscripts were more than 1,5 years old, and there were "old men" who had served for a month or more - no replacement came. It was not that simple. And yes, for conscripts, except for letters, there was nothing, no parcels, no vacations, even if a person just sat in a security company, almost two years without any communication, it is difficult. But if an officer or a civilian went on vacation, then with the opportunity it was possible to send something home or receive something from home, having written in advance and agreed. I was called up in April 86, in August I was already in Kabul, and went home in May 88, so it was lucky, I was demobilized, and could have been demobilized much later.
                  1. +2
                    9 July 2025 12: 58
                    Absolutely right! One of our battalion's platoon commanders, Viktor Makarchenko, brought a parcel from vacation for his fighter Yura Shumilin, stopping by to see his parents. Yura is buried in Voskresensk: he died covering the company. Nomination for Hero of the Soviet Union, and ultimately the Order of the Red Star posthumously.
            2. 0
              3 September 2025 15: 19
              Personally, I value military awards and don’t care about all these trinkets that veterans’ organizations churn out, even for my years of service I think that they are just a piece of iron...
      2. 0
        3 September 2025 15: 14
        I want to clarify, for serious injury
  2. +1
    8 July 2025 05: 53
    It's strange, of course, the order for awards... a guy from our house served in the DRA, he was a driver, he drove tankers through Salang, he was so quiet, he had a medal "For Courage", but he didn't say what for.
    1. +5
      8 July 2025 09: 15
      Tanker drivers are heroic guys, in my opinion! You're riding on a powder keg: just one spark and you're in heaven.
      1. +2
        8 July 2025 09: 27
        Yeah, mines, bullets, grenades, RPGs, and a lot of other things, but the only protection is the armor on the door...
  3. BAI
    +5
    8 July 2025 06: 12
    And now, both in the army and in civilian life, orders come for holidays: so many certificates from the head of the organization, so many from the minister, sometimes orders, for the anniversary dates of the organization (military unit)
    1. +3
      8 July 2025 08: 25
      Probably so. But most citizens do not know this.
  4. +2
    8 July 2025 09: 09
    In the apparatus of the Central Committee of the CPSU, some special people vigilantly monitored to ensure that there were no violations of subordination.

    Reminded me: "Without color differentiation of pants, society has no purpose"
    It's obviously an addictive thing that plays on natural human weaknesses.
    You can even see it in VO.
  5. +2
    8 July 2025 09: 16
    Interesting material about military bureaucracy. There were similar cases during the Great Patriotic War. My father fought in the 889th NBAP, which was in the same division as the 46th Guards NBAP of Evdokia Davydovna Bershanskaya. And the division commander had his eye on Evdokia Davydovna, but she gave preference to the commander of the 889th NBAP, Konstantin Dmitrievich Bocharov, and then married him. As a result, all awards for the 889th regiment were terribly cut in the division. The 46th regiment was not cut, it was too famous.
    1. +4
      8 July 2025 09: 59
      During his report to headquarters, Stalin informed the commander of the Long-Range Aviation, A. E. Golovanov, that a complaint had been filed against him. It turned out that Grizodubova had complained about him, and among the issues she had raised were the following: why was her regiment not a guards regiment; why did she have so few awards; and why was she still a colonel, while she was the only female regiment commander in the Long-Range Aviation? It took several days to investigate the case, and they came to the conclusion that the girl, to put it mildly, was slandering the command. Malenkov summed up the results, and announced to Grizodubova that she had slandered her commander. Grizodubova, in tears on her knees, asked Malenkov for forgiveness. And such things happened.
      1. +2
        8 July 2025 10: 03
        Yes, I read about this story. Grizodubova got all big-headed, but she was put in her place in time.
  6. 0
    8 July 2025 09: 22
    I read somewhere that even now, it is mainly generals who become Heroes of Russia...
    1. +7
      8 July 2025 09: 49
      Today, more than 300 people have been awarded the title of Hero of Russia in the North Military District, more than half posthumously, I don’t think it’s just generals.
    2. 0
      8 July 2025 15: 05
      Here is the general. Hero of Russia. Posthumously. My former colleague from the 67th BAP of the 76th VA Leningrad Military District. Next to him are retired colonels Avramenko, in civilian clothes and Savchenko.
    3. 0
      9 July 2025 01: 52
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      I read somewhere that even now, it is mainly generals who become Heroes of Russia...

      I disagree! Just remember Maidanov, he received the Hero of the Soviet Union title in the rank of captain (in the DRA), and the Hero of Russia title already in the rank of colonel! Unfortunately, posthumously!
    4. +2
      9 July 2025 10: 04
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      I read somewhere that even now, it is mainly generals who become Heroes of Russia...

      2 Heroes in the area, both alive - a sergeant and a private
  7. +4
    8 July 2025 09: 38
    There was one guy, back in the 90s... a sea of ​​orders, medals, wrote a book about his exploits, went to the pioneers in schools and so on, and then it turned out that almost the entire war, since 43 (when he was called up), he sat as a clerk in the awards department of the army or the front, well, and somehow, under the cover of the noise, he put himself on the lists, and wrote a book using descriptions of what other people were awarded for... I don’t remember what happened to him, but there was definitely an article in the newspaper...
    1. +4
      8 July 2025 09: 46
      In fact, there are many of them. After all armed conflicts, a huge mass of false veterans appears.
  8. +1
    8 July 2025 10: 37
    Another essay on a free topic. The author relies on rumors and speculation and does not understand how the system of awarding combat awards in the SA was implemented. The main method is when a commander submits a recommendation for a distinguished subordinate, and then it goes through the chain of command and here it is a matter of luck. The recommendation could be rejected, lost, the rank of the award could be lowered. And even if it passed all the obstacles of military bureaucracy, then a quick award was not guaranteed. "KZ" caught up with me in the Czech Republic, two years later.
    But there were so-called quotas, that is, awards from above, when, based on the statistics of previous awards, nameless (not filled out documents) awards were sent to the unit for prompt awarding of those who distinguished themselves. This is, of course, ideal.
    In practice, not everything reached the units; the lion's share of such awards ended up in Kabul, and even the units had their own imbalances.
    Although, what is better now?
    1. +3
      8 July 2025 12: 24
      In my opinion, the author did not write based on rumors and speculation; he was there and knew the inner workings for sure.
      Megya was presented twice at the same time, but somewhere, something somehow got lost, but I'm not offended, no so no,. My nephew for his For bravery and a man, a tanker, on mobilization.
      1. 0
        8 July 2025 14: 07
        In my opinion, the author did not write based on rumors and speculation; he was there and knew the inner workings for sure.


        If there was, then why did you present the awards ceremony so one-sidedly? Forgive me, but I was there too.
        And this:
        — The battalion commander calls me, — says Sergei. He is sitting at the table, with some papers in front of him. He says to me: “Boykov, I propose to present you for ‘Courage’.” And I, — continues Seryoga, — by that time had become a bit of a wreck, and had a good relationship with the battalion commander. I ask him: “Comrade Captain, why ‘For Courage’ and not ‘Red Star’?” He thought, — he says, — that it would slip through because of his closeness to the higher-ups (laughs). And the battalion commander replies: “Look, Boykov. They are giving me four ‘Red Stars’ and ten ‘For Courage’ for the battalion: a total of 14 awards. I’ve already racked my brains. How am I supposed to distribute them? There are only fifteen officers.”

        Just an artistic whistle. Now, the battalion commander will consult with the soldier.
        Moreover, when an action happens - find a hero with an award - the first to be hit are the officers and warrant officers leaving for replacement, those whose awards were turned down by the bureaucracy, or simply did not have time to be presented.
        In this case, the soldiers could only get medals. And there was no time for whims. They were happy with what they had.
        1. 0
          8 July 2025 14: 11
          Well, I can’t judge about Afghanistan, my father returned from there with a red star, an officer, you are a pilot, if I’m not mistaken, maybe for you it was different, but the fact that there were a lot of oddities during the flight, this probably was, is and will be, unfortunately.
        2. 0
          8 July 2025 14: 52
          As strange as it may sound, both comments confirm what the article says.
        3. +3
          9 July 2025 10: 14
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          Just an artistic whistle. Now, the battalion commander will consult with the soldier.

          Fighters come in different varieties - just like battalion commanders...
    2. 0
      9 July 2025 10: 12
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      Another essay on a free topic. The author relies on rumors and speculation and does not understand how the system of awarding combat awards in the SA was implemented. The main method is when a commander submits a recommendation for a distinguished subordinate, and then it goes through the chain of command and here it is a matter of luck. The recommendation could be rejected, lost, the rank of the award could be lowered. And even if it passed all the obstacles of military bureaucracy, then a quick award was not guaranteed. "KZ" caught up with me in the Czech Republic, two years later.
      But there were so-called quotas, that is, awards from above, when, based on the statistics of previous awards, nameless (not filled out documents) awards were sent to the unit for prompt awarding of those who distinguished themselves. This is, of course, ideal.
      In practice, not everything reached the units; the lion's share of such awards ended up in Kabul, and even the units had their own imbalances.
      Although, what is better now?

      Everyone who didn't get to Afghanistan because of the withdrawal but went there every day - after the withdrawal they were given a "blue one" - "From the grateful Afghan people", although legally could apply for the VI Badge - were on business trips there for more than 1 month - according to the regulations they already had the right. This is correct, but on the other hand - in essence and meaning of the award...
      And now I have the "blue one" without a set lol - They didn't give me the badge, "70 years of the Armed Forces" wasn't supposed to be there. Never worn...
  9. +1
    8 July 2025 19: 17
    Yes, yes... I was nominated for the "Red Star"... I went through the TurkVO command, but in the end I received the medal "For Military Merit". The conscripts had several medals "For Courage" upon discharge... An honorary award, I don't argue, but why not an order?
    What has changed now "literally" I do not know, I am retired... but I have met "contract soldiers" of various ranks and titles with three or four "Courage" orders more than once. The question arises - Are they not worthy of the Hero's Gold Medal???
  10. -5
    8 July 2025 19: 58
    THE AUTHOR HAS MANAGED TO INSULT AND EXPOSE. WHY ARE THESE ARTICLES A LITTLE UGLY? WHO AWARDED WHOM AND WHO DIDN'T AWARD WHOM.
    1. +3
      8 July 2025 20: 52
      What is the insult and who? I fully admit that someone from the staff may be offended, but if he is a balanced person, he is unlikely to show his offense.
    2. +1
      9 July 2025 10: 21
      Quote from: odisey3000
      THE AUTHOR HAS MANAGED TO INSULT AND EXPOSE. WHY ARE THESE ARTICLES A LITTLE UGLY? WHO AWARDED WHOM AND WHO DIDN'T AWARD WHOM.

      Well, read the post-war regulations on awarding for length of service.
      This is where it's complete mockery of awards was ....

      "From June 4, 1944 to September 14, 1957, there was a procedure for rewarding military personnel for length of service, established by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR:
      For 10 years of military service, the medal "For Military Merit" was awarded;
      for 15 years - the Order of the Red Star;
      for 20 and 30 years - the Order of the Red Banner;
      For 25 years of service in the USSR Armed Forces, the Order of Lenin was awarded."


      Moreover, if the Order of Lenin is a person who started serving in 1930 and went through the entire War (there is some justice!!), then the "ZBZ" was received by those who started serving after the war - without any risk, just service.
      1. +1
        9 July 2025 15: 40
        Quote: your1970
        "From June 4, 1944 to September 14, 1957, there was a procedure for rewarding military personnel for length of service, established by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR:
        For 10 years of military service, the medal "For Military Merit" was awarded;
        for 15 years - the Order of the Red Star;
        for 20 and 30 years - the Order of the Red Banner;
        For 25 years of service in the USSR Armed Forces, the Order of Lenin was awarded."

        T - Tradition.
        In the Empire, until 1833, one could receive even the 4th degree of the "combat" Order of St. George for length of service and the completion of naval campaigns in peacetime.
        “Neither high birth, nor wounds received before the enemy give the right to be awarded this order: but it is given to those who not only fulfilled their duties in accordance with their oath, honor and duty, but also distinguished themselves by some special courageous act, or gave wise and useful advice for our military service.”

        “But since not every faithful son of the fatherland always has such opportunities where his zeal and courage can shine, we have decided it is good not to exclude from this gracious decree those who have served in the field for 25 years as a Chief Officer, and in the naval service for 18 companies as Officers.”

        From 1833 to 1855, the requirement of participation in at least one battle or service in at least one campaign against the enemy was added to the length of service. Not in a battle, but in general - in a campaign.
        In 1846–1856, holders of the “25-year” St. George’s Order made up 88% of those awarded.
  11. +1
    9 July 2025 13: 26
    severok1979
    There is no way a conscript could have spent more than 1,5 years in Afghanistan

    Vladimir_Kuznetsov
    The conscripts were called up in October-November, some in early December 1979, and immediately found themselves in this mess for the entire two years, this is the only conscription who found themselves in it for the entire two years. Subsequent conscriptions were sent either after training in division training centers, or after the so-called training. A year and a half in Afghanistan, but most often, they were not released for demobilization immediately.
    ................................
    It's a mistake to say that a conscript in Afghanistan can serve a maximum of one and a half years. That's not true. There's a man who was drafted in the fall of 1982. He ended up in Afghanistan sometime around the winter of 1982-1983. I can't remember the exact dates, I don't remember. In the end, he spent more than two years there, that's for sure. Maybe two years and one month. I tried to call him to find out. He's not picking up yet. He's a reserve sergeant. He didn't have any medals then, although I remember that after his demobilization, he bitterly said that there was a conversation about possibly awarding him "For Military Merit." That is, there seemed to be such an intention. Apparently, it didn't work out.
    1. +1
      9 July 2025 14: 40
      So I don't understand the conversation about the length of stay in Afghanistan at all. It was said that it was not much, no more than a year and a half.
      So what? One soldier, I gave an example, is wounded and becomes disabled after four months, and at home he is awarded the medal "For Military Merit". Another dies in the second year of service, is nominated for the title of Hero, and his parents are awarded the Order of the Red Star. And when a BMD is blown up, seven paratroopers from our company are killed, all of different conscriptions: some were already getting ready to be demobilized, others had just returned from training. What does it depend on? As for the possible awarding of a comrade with the "ZBZ" medal, the nomination itself does not mean that the award will take place. Unfortunately.
      1. -1
        11 July 2025 15: 50
        "The conscripts were called up in October-November, some in early December 1979, and immediately found themselves in this mess for the entire two years; this is the only conscription who found themselves in this mess for the entire two years."
        This is your assertion. So I clarify that this is not so. This is not the only such call. I got through. The man was called up on October 1, 1982. Young fighter courses and oath in Tashkent. On November 4, 1982, he was already in Afghanistan. The last day of his stay there was November 28, 1984. That is, he spent a total of 2 years and 24 days there. On December 5, 1984, he was home.
        In 1983, he suffered a shrapnel wound. He spent up to a month (he doesn't remember exactly) in a hospital in Kabul. No documents about the wound were issued. According to him, the preparation of such records is a complicated procedure and soldiers, as a rule, did not strive for it. Literally: "It's not done that quickly." More often, they tried to return to their unit as quickly as possible.
        I've never been on vacation.
        1. +1
          11 July 2025 18: 22
          It is very strange that in the period 1982-1984, practically without training, they immediately sent me to Afghanistan. And after being wounded, I was in the hospital, and not only are there no awards, but there are no documents about the wound. It is very strange. And what kind of regiment or unit is this? Even in the spring of 1980, they sent replacements for the spring demobilizations from Pskov and Bolgrad to our division, those who had served for six months. Sergeants, driver-mechanics, gunners-operators, of course, came from the training school after six months.
          1. -1
            11 July 2025 18: 56
            I called him again. The high frequency number in the suburbs of Tashkent is 42112.
            RFC in Kabul -94164.
            1. 0
              11 July 2025 20: 26
              94164 is a communications battalion in Kabul.
              1. -1
                11 July 2025 21: 05
                Yes, that's right. The comment is short, I'm writing this so that it can be missed.
  12. +2
    9 July 2025 15: 48
    So officially there were no military actions, but they were legally confirmed by entries in military IDs.

    Officially, facts about the conduct of military operations in Afghanistan were allowed to be published only in 1985. And then - strictly according to the list:
    ...the organization and progress of combat training, the deployment of military units in temporary towns, their daily activities, the holding of tactical exercises on a scale no higher than battalion level jointly with units of the DRA Armed Forces; visits to Soviet units by leaders of the DRA Party and Government, other Afghan delegations and the holding of events of a party-political nature and cultural and mass work; the awarding of Soviet military personnel without demonstrating their specific combat activities that served as the basis for the award; the use of aircraft and motor transport for the transportation of goods to the local population and the allocation of combat units to escort columns and guard individual construction sites; the presence and work of Soviet military specialists to assist Afghan military personnel in mastering the supplied military equipment; the use by individual Soviet servicemen, squads (crews, calculations) and platoons of standard weapons for the purposes of self-defense when attacked by rebels during training and exercises, during movement and patrolling, while performing other daily tasks, guarding and defending their own and, jointly with DRA soldiers, Afghan facilities, demining, delivering cargo, escorting transport columns, conducting daily flights of combat helicopters and aircraft; isolated incidents (no more than one per month) of wounds or deaths of Soviet servicemen while performing their military duty, repelling an attack by rebels, or performing tasks related to providing international assistance to the Afghan people; the construction, operation, armed protection and defense of a pipeline built by Soviet units, and their daily activities; the work of a Soviet military hospital to provide medical care to the local population, wounded Afghan servicemen and Soviet servicemen admitted for treatment; awarding the title Hero of the Soviet Union to Soviet servicemen, demonstrating their courage and heroism in providing international assistance to the DRA, without providing information about the participation of the units and parts where they served in combat operations.

    Before that, the “List of information prohibited from publication in the open press, radio and television broadcasts” of 1976 was in effect:
    Prohibit the showing of the participation of any military units of the USSR Armed Forces in military operations to defend the USSR and other states after 1945, as well as the provision of assistance to foreign states.

    So articles were published about “exercises in conditions as close as possible to combat” or impersonal descriptions of combat operations without reference to any country.
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      9 July 2025 16: 25
      Yes, that's true. In the spring of 1980, our battalion was in Kunar province, and a military journalist flew in from Kabul to write an article about the battalion's actions. There were losses during those days, and many years later, the mother of one of the soldiers found our journalist and asked him to tell her what happened then. And he, having told her about the death, explained to her that at that time it was impossible to speak directly and reveal the details of participation in military operations.
      Excerpt from the letter: “I flew to the battalion on April 10, 1980. The paratroopers were then located behind Jalalabad, about seventy kilometers away. They combed the gorges, blew up the passes and mountain paths on the border with Pakistan. They fought for real, only no one wrote anything about it – everything was still hidden then. … when they died, I had to cross out the names: back then nothing could be written about the dead. But I prepared a small note about each one under the rubric “From the history of the unit” – to deceive the censors, saying that this could have happened during the Great Patriotic War…”
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    9 July 2025 22: 57
    Good evening! My father served for 2 years and 6 months, XNUMX months of which were in training, the rest - in Afghanistan. He doesn't like to remember Afghanistan - only when he's drunk. He told me about the awards: we got into a mess - the lieutenant was given an order. Only the lieutenant was sitting in an APC, and he was on the armor! Dad only has the standard medals of a soldier-internationalist. Thank God he was not wounded - he got away with it!
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      9 July 2025 23: 13
      To my father - greetings, good health and best wishes!
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    16 November 2025 12: 19
    Awards in the late USSR were already devalued. Unless they were in trouble, officers received double pay, rations, vacations, promotions, and awards in Afghanistan. They were even treated and fed separately from the soldiers. Now it turns out they only got 1/3 credit for their service. And some ordinary guy, Vasya, served for free, so he'll buy a briefcase and some rags with the money he saved on his demobilization checks. Now, however, the problem is different: some are disgusting to look at; they'll hang themselves in trinkets down to the floor, as if they'd fought in Afghanistan their whole life and are proud of it.