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Will the Russians return to Russia?

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Compatriots resettlement program is becoming more popular


Since 1 in January, 2013 in Russia has a new, significantly improved version of the program for facilitating the voluntary resettlement of compatriots. The program itself has become indefinite, the circle of family members who can participate in it has been significantly expanded, and now you can choose your place of residence without focusing, as before, on the list of specific municipalities. All this can significantly increase the number of immigrants from the former Soviet republics, most of whom, as shown by data from a recent survey, are aimed at emigration to Russia.

The study of the situation and migration attitudes of Russian compatriots living abroad was carried out by order of the Russian Foreign Ministry. Its geography included 8 countries of the near and far abroad, on whose territory a large part of ethnic Russians and other Russian-speaking population is concentrated - Germany, Latvia, Ukraine, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Thus, the European and Asian regions were “uniformly” represented in the study, which makes it possible to trace the difference in the migration attitudes of their Russian population. On the example of Europe, it is possible to estimate the differences between individual countries that are radically different in their standard of living, such as, for example, Germany and Moldova.

A total of 7200 people were interviewed - approximately 900 in each country, including both urban and rural populations, as well as different age and gender groups. And not only ethnic Russians were polled. The study covered three groups of compatriots - citizens of the Russian Federation permanently residing abroad, representatives of the diaspora of the peoples of the Russian Federation, and representatives of the titular ethnic groups who consider themselves to be Russian compatriots. At the same time, the absolute majority of survey participants identified themselves as Russians. As a result of the research, data on the social, economic, and political situation of the Russian diaspora in key countries of its residence, the degree of awareness of the resettlement program, and readiness to participate in it were collected for the first time in such a wide context.

The first thing that catches your eye when meeting with the results of the study is the sharp difference between countries in terms of the ratio of compatriots who want and do not want to move to Russia.

From Germany - a state with one of the highest standard of living in the world, almost no one is going to leave. 87,8% of German compatriots to the question about their desire to move to the Russian Federation answered “rather no” or “certainly not”, and only 4,2% said “rather yes” or “yes”.

4,3% are tempted to move to Russia from time to time, another 3,7% noted that they have such a desire among their family members. A similar picture is taking shape in Latvia. 85,2% of Latvian compatriots do not intend to move to Russia, and only 4,5% have such plans. Moreover, only 1,4% of respondents are firmly set on emigration. Since the standard of living in Latvia is noticeably lower than German, most compatriots seem to be attracted mainly by the country's membership in the Schengen zone and the opportunity to move freely around Europe.

In European CIS countries, the situation is markedly different from the EU. In Ukraine, the country with the largest Russian diaspora in the world (about 8 million), 65,2% of compatriots expressed their interest in moving to Russia in one form or another. 15,4% of them to the question about the desire to emigrate answered "certainly" yes ", and another 21,5% -" rather "yes." Only 17,4% is not configured to relocate, and only 7,8% is firmly. Such a large percentage of potential migrants is explained by the economic attractiveness of Russia and the presence of kinship ties. 42,9% was explained by economic factors, 32,9% was explained by the opportunity to realize their potential, 39,8% was explained by the desire to reunite with relatives and 23,1% by the desire to get a better education. Despite the fact that the only state language in Ukraine is Ukrainian, and Russian has regional status in several areas, ethnocultural factors play no significant role in shaping migration patterns. 13,8% of respondents among the reasons for the move indicated conflicts with local residents or falling out of the Russian cultural environment, which is explained by the inclusion of Western regions in the sample. Another 5,8% reported harassment by the authorities. However, in general, the ethnocultural situation in Ukraine is assessed as favorable.

In Moldova, the number of people willing to emigrate to Russia is even higher. The ratio of compatriots who are aimed and not aimed at moving reminds Germany exactly the opposite. 82,6% of respondents are more or less determined to move to Russia, including 16,6% - firmly. Only 1,6% responded to the question about the desire to emigrate to the Russian Federation "certainly not", and another 4,8% - "rather not." The main reason for thinking about a change of residence is the deplorable state of the local economy and the desire to reunite with relatives. Since the economic situation in Moldova is much worse than in Ukraine, the percentage of those who want to move to Russia is much higher.

Affects and local specificity. Nationalist and pro-Romanian sentiments are strong in Moldova, so one of the motives for emigration is the desire to live in the midst of Russian culture.

In Central Asia, the migration attitudes of compatriots are noticeably different not only from Western and Eastern Europe, but also from country to country. Most of this region belongs to the zone of the traditional spread of Muslim civilization and the residence of Asian, mainly Turkic peoples. The European population lives here in the conditions of an ethnic and foreign religious environment, which determines the specificity of its situation.

In Kazakhstan, the most economically successful state in Central Asia, where the Russian Diaspora, the second largest after Ukraine (about 3,7 million), lives, half of compatriots (50,7%) are less or less disposed to move to Russia Moldova and even in Ukraine. At the same time, they firmly intend to move 14%, another 14,7% answered “rather yes” to a question about it, and 22% stated that their migratory moods were inconsistent (“sometimes“ yes ”, sometimes“ no ”). Only 6,7% of compatriots are firmly disposed to stay in Kazakhstan, and 22,3% answered “rather no” to the question about moving. Among the reasons for the move, an approximately equal share is taken by the poor economic situation (37%), the desire to reunite with relatives (36,8%), the ability to realize their potential (36%), and the desire to give a better education to themselves or their children (31%). The more significant pushing factors in Kazakhstan are the desire to live in the Russian cultural environment and the danger of falling out of it (15%), conflicts with the local population (9%) and harassment of the authorities (8%), which reflects such tendencies as the narrowing of the official the use of the Russian language and the growth of nationalist attitudes among the Kazakh population.

In Uzbekistan, which occupies the second place in Central Asia (about 1 million people) in terms of the number of Russian and Russian-speaking people, 58,7% of compatriots are oriented towards moving to Russia - slightly more than in Kazakhstan, but less than in Ukraine and Moldova.
Considering the difficult economic situation and the much lower standard of living than in Kazakhstan, this percentage of people intending to emigrate looks somewhat strange. In many respects, it is explained by informational closeness and limited access to the Russian media, reflected in a noticeably weaker awareness of Uzbek compatriots about the resettlement program. At the same time, the share of those who are firmly set to emigrate in Uzbekistan is noticeably higher than in Kazakhstan (20%), and those who are firmly determined to stay are almost two times lower (3,7%). Among the reasons for moving almost twice the value of a bad economic situation (55%), while the ability to realize their potential (28%), get a good education (27%) and reunite with relatives (25%) is slightly lower.

Kyrgyzstan occupies a special place in the region. In the Soviet period, it became the most Russified republic of Central Asia (except Kazakhstan), largely retaining these positions so far. However, two revolutions (2005 and 2010), as well as violent Kyrgyz-Uzbek clashes in the southern regions (June 2010), led to a sharp deterioration in the political and economic situation. Not surprisingly, the percentage of those wishing to move to Russia is the highest of all the countries surveyed (91,2%), and the percentage of those wishing to stay (8,9%) is one of the lowest. Kyrgyzstan is also ahead of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan in terms of the number of those who are firmly intending to leave (23,5%) and stay (2,2%). Among the reasons for relocation, the main role is not played by economic motives, but by the desire to get a better education (39%) and reunite with relatives (34,3%). The share of such reasons as harassment by the authorities (23,7%), danger of falling out of Russian culture (21,1%) and conflicts with the local population (12,9%) looks phenomenally high against the background of neighbors.

Preservation of permanent political and economic instability may well make Kyrgyzstan one of the main reservoirs of Russian emigration to Russia.

The only country in Central Asia where there are almost no Russians left today is Tajikistan. Their number today is estimated to be no more than 30 thousand. A significant part of the Russian diaspora consists of pensioners and low-income people who are not able to leave the republic on their own. The share of people seeking to move to Russia is slightly lower here than in Kyrgyzstan (82,7%), but significantly higher than in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. At the same time, the percentage of those who are firmly set to emigrate is much higher (34,7%), and lower - those who intend to stay (1%). The main reason for leaving is the difficult economic situation (55,3%), approximately according to 1 / 4 they noted the opportunity to realize their potential, get an education and reunite with relatives in the Russian Federation. Fears about falling out of the Russian cultural environment (7,7%), conflicts with the local population (6,3%) and government harassment (4,3%) against the background of neighboring Kyrgyzstan look insignificant, much lower than in Kazakhstan and roughly correspond to the level of Uzbekistan.

Comparison of the survey results allows us to make a number of interesting conclusions important for determining the future directions of the migration policy of Russia. The main migration potential of Russians is concentrated in the CIS countries. The percentage of those who intend to relocate to the Russian Federation from the EU states is small and there is no need to focus on them. Those republics of the former USSR that were not part of the European Union, on the contrary, deserve the closest attention. The migration potential of Russian compatriots in the CIS countries is quite large, ranging from 1 / 2 in Kazakhstan to 2 / 3 in Ukraine and 9 / 10 in Kyrgyzstan. The main reason for their departure is the difficult economic, ethnocultural and, to a lesser extent, political situation. The crisis nature of the development of most CIS countries suggests that the effect of “push factors” will continue in the future, which will help to maintain migration attitudes. In the event of an aggravation of the socio-political situation, as happened in Kyrgyzstan, the flow of Russian immigrants may increase markedly. The “Kyrgyz” version of the development of migration processes should be borne in mind, since the externally stable states of Central Asia, including Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, are not insured from it.

The migration potential of the Russian population of the CIS countries according to the results of the study can be estimated at 8 million people. And this is without taking into account the Russian-speaking population, which is also among the possible migrants.

Given that Russia faces the task of resettling 300 thousands of people annually for permanent residence, the number of foreign Russians may be enough for 20-25 years - until the demographic situation finally returns to normal and begins a noticeable natural increase in the indigenous population. The popularity of the compatriots resettlement program is growing. During 2012, almost 63 thousand people moved to Russia thanks to her. - half of all participants in the program. And to increase this figure is quite realistic, providing, for example, immigrants with land for the construction of their own housing and preferential construction loans. All possibilities for the implementation of such a policy from the Russian state is.
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  1. Denis
    Denis April 13 2013 07: 22
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    The Russian state has all the possibilities for implementing such a policy.
    There are opportunities, but there is no desire. One blah blah blah in all statements. Let them speak beautifully, but for now, a Russian who has arrived will stand in the same line for obtaining citizenship with a Tajik, Moldovan, and even a black man of advanced years, the whole talking room will be A lie. And these sweetly speaking respectively nonsense
    Only to them as in that proverb, even though they have pisses in their eyes, all of God's dew. Gastryki is more profitable, and those in power are not just Russian, they will sell their mother in parts with joy
    1. Earthman
      Earthman April 13 2013 07: 51
      -8
      Quote: Denis
      Only to them as in that proverb, even though they have pisses in their eyes, all of God's dew. Gastryki is more profitable, and those in power are not just Russian, they will sell their mother in parts with joy

      Well, or whatever it used to be - serfdom
      1. Patriot of Russia
        Patriot of Russia April 13 2013 09: 12
        13
        for some reason 99% of "Russians" who receive citizenship have difficulty speaking the language and go to mosques
        Considering that Russia is faced with the task of resettling 300 people annually for permanent residence, the number of foreign Russians may last 20–25 years, until the demographic situation finally returns to normal.

        it means recruiting ready-made obedient slaves at no extra cost. without breaking into kindergartens, schools, medicine, etc. innovation will wait. loot to the west. Russians for slaughter. Dulles Plan in Action
        1. TROG
          TROG April 13 2013 14: 27
          16
          I agree completely.
          And to increase this figure is quite realistic, providing, for example, immigrants with land for the construction of their own housing and preferential construction loans.
          We poor Russians can not give land.
          the number of foreign Russians may be enough for 20-25 years - until the demographic situation finally goes back to normal and a noticeable natural increase in the indigenous population begins.
          That is, in 20-25 years, the main indigenous Russians will be all sorts - Uzbeks, Tajiks and others ...

          One story.
          About a year and a half ago I was at the military registration and enlistment office. And then a Kyrgyz is trying to get a military soldier (I don’t know where to work or what). He tells how he dreams of getting Russian citizenship. And he wonders why he is here a military man, if he has already served there. I answer - " Well, if there is a war, you should know what size you should be given a gas mask. "He is perplexed -" But I'm not going to fight. "I was even taken aback)))
          1. Denis
            Denis April 13 2013 23: 40
            +3
            Quote: TROG
            "But I'm not going to fight."
            Freebie, please!
            Protect yourself, raise and pay taxes. And what is he? Yes, he’s not local
            There was a story about immigrants in Norway. Children at school free They don’t give out Muslim food, they complain. Is I wondering what it is, ignorance of the proverb about a gifted horse and a dentist or frank impudence?
    2. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 08: 21
      11 th
      Quote: Denis
      Russian arrived will be in the same line for citizenship with Tajik, Moldovan,

      And in your opinion, is Moldovan a Tajik not a man? wink There is a federal law on citizenship, and no one has repealed it where everyone, including the notorious Tajik and Moldovan, has rights and interests in their own right. Think about it wink
      1. Denis
        Denis April 13 2013 08: 47
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        Quote: Kurbashi
        Tajik and Moldovan people have rights and interests in their own right. Think about it
        Dumato and thought. Only let their government think about their interests, independent
        And they want to climb the tree, but don’t scratch the ass
        1. Kurbashi
          Kurbashi April 13 2013 09: 15
          -5
          Quote: Denis
          And they want to climb the tree, but don’t scratch the ass

          A friend doesn’t climb a Christmas tree ... There is a law and it must be obeyed, and no one has the right to divide into a group according to skin color by gender and ethnicity ... and even more so, to make comparisons where it is not appropriate wink Hopefully lucidly?
          1. Denis
            Denis April 13 2013 09: 28
            14
            Quote: Kurbashi
            Hopefully lucidly?
            Absolutely not
            Russians "came to their Rasiya" and must wait as much for citizenship as those who screamed?
            1. Kurbashi
              Kurbashi April 13 2013 09: 32
              -2
              Quote: Denis
              Russians "came to their Rasiya" and must wait as much for citizenship as those who screamed?

              And who squeals in the squares today, marching "Russia for the Russians"? wink Or do you think there are white and fluffy and there are not white and fluffy? Believe us, we are not without sin, including you wink And please let’s not give us a clash of mutual reproaches and claims ... But I wrote to you specifically there is a law and it was not adopted by Tajiks and Moldovans, but you and your Duma.
              1. Denis
                Denis April 13 2013 10: 42
                +7
                Quote: Kurbashi
                in the squares marching "Russia for the Russians"
                In whose squares?
                That's it. They at home and any teacher of life have the right to shut up
                The stench began back in the days of the USSR, when there wasn’t your ours, now only a consequence
                1. Kurbashi
                  Kurbashi April 13 2013 10: 50
                  -3
                  Quote: Denis
                  That's it. They at home and any teacher of life have the right to shut up

                  We are also at home and we have the right to do what we want so don’t forget who the guest is here with us and who is the boss ... It’s the same in your house and no one is arguing with that, that's all and there’s nothing to dispute about as I’ve already previously wrote everything and so is obvious.
                  1. smile
                    smile April 13 2013 12: 08
                    +6
                    Kurbashi
                    You can imagine that on an Uzbek site, Uzbeks discuss an Uzbek program to help Uzbeks relocate Uzbeks to Uzbekistan .... and then a Russian could get in and yell - only in a lively sequence, after the Russians in the name of the laws of Uzbekistan, he would hint to them about SS marching in their squares, and yet, in their stupidity, I didn’t understand that he actually got out in vain ........ is it funny? But this is exactly what you have allowed yourself .... is it time to paint in brown, huh? Or at least a little ashamed ..... well, albeit a little ...
                    1. Kurbashi
                      Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 14
                      0
                      Quote: smile
                      and then a Russian would have climbed in and screamed - only in the order of a living queue, after the Russians in the name of the laws of Uzbekistan

                      Again, fools, what are you pathologically lying? Where do I write in order of priority? Where, well, tell me at least one of my quotes? see not bags tossing know such a proverb?
                    2. Kurbashi
                      Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 15
                      +3
                      Quote: Kurbashi
                      I would have hinted to them about the SS men marching in their squares, and yet, in their stupidity

                      every hint will always find a master wink But where stupidity is still a moot point .... unlike some of which I don’t confuse warm with soft wink
                      You can imagine that on an Uzbek site, Uzbeks discuss an Uzbek program to help Uzbeks relocate Uzbeks to Uzbekistan .... and here Russian
                      Yes, for heaven’s sake, someone else’s opinion is always welcome even more so as a neighbor’s opinion, although sometimes you think when reading some, whether it’s a neighbor’s opinion ...
                    3. Sirocco
                      Sirocco April 14 2013 07: 35
                      0
                      Quote: smile
                      , in his stupidity, did not understand that actually he got out in vain ........ is it funny?

                      You know Vladimir, this is from a series in alien monastery, with its own charter this comrade came.
              2. smile
                smile April 13 2013 11: 47
                10
                Kurbashi
                You know, our marching Nazi miscarriages in all of Russia are many times less than your nationalists in any of the republics of the Union, the choice ... the only difference is that. that we despise our fascists, but for you they are the norm ... because you are not ashamed of your nationalists. you didn’t happen. so that the local population, embraced by love of love, would fight with a bunch of nationalists? By the way, it never crossed your mind. that our pathetic Natsik degenerates are your offspring ... the offspring of a dumb mass of yours and not only your compatriots who have blatantly and openly discriminated against Russians .... you remember Moldova and Tajikistan mentioned there ... to tell you what they did to the Russians in Tajikistan? Is it necessary to tell here? Or do you already know everything? ... You cannot but know - it is relatively close there ... well, so the last time you are to your fellow tribesmen and. for example, the Tajiks were explained that the Russians, although not good, have almost the same rights as they do? AND? You, your fellow tribesmen and colleagues from other republics were guilty of the birth of Russian nationalism, from which it was the Russians, unlike the rest, who weaned all 70 years of Soviet power - if you hadn’t killed the Russians. if they didn’t rob, didn’t rape, wouldn’t make people of the second grade, with the approval of the bulk of the titular nation, the Nazis would have appeared ... and don’t lie, please about marches in the squares ... you messed up with other republics ... well. don’t lie to us - we know that the Nazis on our squares do not arrange marches .... they’ll give them money ... we are Russians - it’s easy for you to the Nazis - and it doesn’t matter if they wear black uniforms and wave with a pen Zika Hailu, or they climb in their national malachai and talk about their national identification, they have the same essence ... what, is it unpleasant? I admit, it’s unpleasant for me to write it .... but it’s even more unpleasant to hear indignant cries like yours now .... think, maybe I'm not quite a fascist, huh? Maybe I have reason to write like that ... eh? Just think ... nobody asks for more from you .....
                1. Kurbashi
                  Kurbashi April 13 2013 11: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: smile
                  You know, our marching Nazi miscarriages throughout Russia are many times less than your nationalists

                  Not really? And where are the numbers from? There are statistics, a summary report of the same Ministry of Internal Affairs? I’ll just say that when in 22 years no Uzbek city has had an Uzbek march approved by the city hall and the government with slogans that I personally read and heard on the march on the butcher’s.
                  Quote: smile
                  the only difference is. that we despise our fascists, but for you they are the norm ...

                  What do you write with us? wink We have an article on them and not contempt, and all the more not a norm on the wishful thinking should be issued ...
                  Quote: smile
                  By the way, it never crossed your mind. that our pathetic ki-natsik is your offspring ...

                  There is no need to look for the causes of your cancerous tumor in someone ... in the 30s the Germans were looking for ours who were "to blame" for everything, but at 45 they bitterly regretted it ...
                  Quote: smile
                  Just think ... nobody asks for more from you .....

                  Really think about those who want integration ... because what to think about because even if the Russian-speaking titular nation from neighboring republics is not enthusiastic about such pearls ...
                  1. smile
                    smile April 13 2013 12: 20
                    +4
                    Kurbashi
                    You have inattentively read what I wrote ... or carefully pretending that you didn’t understand ... I said that your nationalists - and this is the bulk of the new elite who came to power after the tear of the Union - and if only they - are no different from our marginals-Natsiks ... the only difference is that we have these outcast urodrods. and you have ordinary members of society ... according to reports throughout Russia, along with sympathizers - somewhere around 10 thousand, the rotation is great, people grow up and leave with the exception of marginals .... I do not need to explain to you that you’re a couple of nationalists orders of magnitude more .... and you they are not marginalized ...
                    you are talking about integration .... well, well ... I look at your demanding ... and neither demanding phrases to the village or town - we discussed exclusively Russian programs designed for Russians - but for some reason you demanded that and here the Moldovans and Tajiks were ahead .... all the absurdity and exceptional impudence of claims and requirements do not even reach you .... how to integrate with you under your specific requirements .....
                    1. Kurbashi
                      Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: smile
                      You inattentively read what I wrote ... or diligently pretend that you did not understand ...

                      I read you carefully wink
                      Quote: smile
                      I said that your nationalists - and this is the bulk of the new elite who came to power after the tear of the Union

                      Can the evidence base or just banter again?
                      Quote: smile
                      about reports all over Russia, along with sympathizers - somewhere around 10 thousand,

                      At the butcher's shop, only 1,5 people were more good at lying. I am not a small schoolboy who has not seen anything and does not know. I traveled all the CIS far and wide for work, and in Europe I often didn’t have to wipe glasses with a fictional summary from the ceiling
                      .
                      Quote: smile
                      the only difference is that we have these rogue outcasts

                      Kholmogorov an outcast? Demushkin an outcast? Lemons? Bulk? you have more examples or enough for you?
                      1. smile
                        smile April 13 2013 13: 27
                        +3
                        Kurbashi
                        Anal and Limonov are not just outcasts and marginals, but rubbish, which the main part of our society together despises. I hardly remembered who Demushkin was — a fascist of some sort — if I was not mistaken, right? Well, it means scum, about which the bulk of the population of Russia does not even know ... who Kholmogorov is, I don’t know, if I’m a fascist, I don’t want to know, I’m afraid our population is no different from me ... we we don’t climb Nazi sites, unlike you, if these Nazi sites weren’t closing yet, they should have been, the prosecutor’s office was watching, even Hitler’s banquet conversations and Goebbels diaries were taken from our libraries ... If you have even a drop of brain. then you will understand. that in any meeting at least half of the people are stray onlookers - and it doesn’t matter. it’s Swamp or Poklonnaya ... as Natsik, the internal affairs bodies only consider people who are members of more or less stable groups with some kind of ideology and not a gopot in hagens. which just to beat and rob someone, do not confuse sweet with hard ....
                      2. A. Yaga
                        A. Yaga April 13 2013 16: 41
                        +4
                        Quote: smile
                        who is Demushkin - some kind of fascist - if I'm not mistaken, right? Well, that means he-scum, about which the bulk of the population of Russia and does not know something ..

                        I do not know whether he is a fascist or not. He struggled with law enforcement and double standards. This is if the killer is not Russian, then bytovuha or self-defense, and even a national feature. If the Russian killer is definitely a fascist and 282st. He tried to even out the rights of Russians with others, but there was no question of belittling other nations. Kurbash seems even not happy with that.
                        I don’t know anything about other surnames.
                      3. Maks111
                        Maks111 April 14 2013 10: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: smile
                        who is Demushkin - some kind of fascist - if I'm not mistaken, right? Well, that means he-scum, about which the bulk of the population of Russia and does not know something ..
                        I do not know whether he is a fascist or not. He struggled with law enforcement and double standards. This is if the killer is not Russian, then bytovuha or self-defense, and even a national feature. If the Russian killer is definitely a fascist and 282st. He tried to even out the rights of Russians with others, but there was no question of belittling other nations. Kurbash seems even not happy with that.
                        I don’t know anything about other surnames.
                        Let Demushkin pass the circulation test first, otherwise we know these Gussikh nationalists.
              3. alexng
                alexng April 13 2013 12: 34
                +1
                Everything is very simple. Smile simply equated the nationalists with the Nazis, which, in fact, does not make any difference. So the nationalist and fascist are synonyms, i.e. nationalist is a veiled fascist. Their essence is the same - the dominance of one nation over another.
                1. Kurbashi
                  Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: alexneg
                  Everything is very simple; Smile simply equated nationalists with fascists,

                  like me ... but at the same time I did not see that they, as Smile writes, were outcasts to distort facts in themselves for the sake of it is not permissible either fools or very dangerous provocateurs do this. .
              4. Maks111
                Maks111 April 14 2013 10: 48
                0
                Not really? And where are the numbers from? There are statistics, a summary report of the same Ministry of Internal Affairs? I’ll just say that when in 22 years no Uzbek city has had an Uzbek march approved by the city hall and the government with slogans that I personally read and heard on the march on the butcher’s.
                Do you know why I do not like Muslims? For your trinity. When it is profitable for you, you live according to the constitution, when it is not profitable for you to live according to the constitution, you remember the adats, when it is not profitable for you to live according to the adats, you remember the Sharia. You see, no one makes you second-class people. But you also understand us. In our country, the number of Russians is wildly decreasing, and the number of Muslims from Central Asia is growing wildly, and we do not like it. Personally, I don’t want that in RUSSIA, you hear in Russia, not in Tajikistan, the Russians became a minority after 20-30. "My dear capital" has already turned into a spattered Moscowabad. You remembered about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so look at the statistics of crimes on Moskabad and you will see that most of the crimes are committed by migrants. You come here to rob, kill, rape, and wake up the rights to us (I'm now talking about migrants in general). And I don't give a shit what you think about this. Nobody invited you here. DON'T LIKE so go home. BUT there is no need to establish your own rules here. Here is OUR MONASTERY and they will live here according to our charter.
                Here's a video take a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS5uYwW3tpc
              5. Maks111
                Maks111 April 14 2013 11: 00
                -1
                Not really? And where are the numbers from? There are statistics, a summary report of the same Ministry of Internal Affairs? I’ll just say that when in 22 years no Uzbek city has had an Uzbek march approved by the city hall and the government with slogans that I personally read and heard on the march on the butcher’s.
                Do you know why I do not like Muslims? For your trinity. When it is profitable for you, you live according to the constitution, when it is not profitable for you to live according to the constitution, you remember the adats, when it is not profitable for you to live according to the adats, you remember the Sharia. You see, no one makes you second-class people. But you also understand us. In our country, the number of Russians is wildly decreasing, and the number of Muslims from Central Asia is growing wildly, and we do not like it. Personally, I don’t want that in RUSSIA, you hear in Russia, not in Tajikistan, the Russians became a minority after 20-30. "My dear capital" has already turned into a spattered Moscowabad. You remembered about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so look at the statistics of crimes on Moskabad and you will see that most of the crimes are committed by migrants. You come here to rob, kill, rape, and wake up the rights to us (I'm now talking about migrants in general). And I don't give a shit what you think about this. Nobody invited you here. DON'T LIKE so go home. BUT there is no need to establish your own rules here. Here is OUR MONASTERY and they will live here according to our charter.
                Here is a video take a look
            2. Denis
              Denis April 13 2013 23: 47
              +1
              Quote: smile
              think ... nobody asks for more from you .....
              It’s not a royal matter to think. Yes, and once, another important task ahead is someone else’s ... well, let's say, the metro ... go to paradise (see Comment above, about Norway, etc.)
          2. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 April 13 2013 19: 53
            0
            Well. Do your "independent" rulers create such living conditions for you that you gravitate towards Russia, and not towards your historical homeland?
            1. alexng
              alexng April 14 2013 01: 28
              -1
              Gravitate. And here's why: Russia is developing and becoming stronger every day.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nmalE5g7fis
      2. smile
        smile April 13 2013 11: 29
        +4
        Kurbashi
        Your golden words ... eh ... didn’t you try to preach in your own country? ... You forgive me, I don’t jerk and don’t run over you and your country, nation ..... but I still don’t understand your ardor with the full connivance of discrimination in the republics of your residence against the Russian and Russian-speaking population ... insulting, but honestly - insulting!
        1. Kurbashi
          Kurbashi April 13 2013 11: 35
          0
          Quote: smile
          I still do not understand your ardor with the full connivance of discrimination in the republics of your residence against the Russian and Russian-speaking population ...

          Have you ever seen the fact of discrimination live? I, too, do not make jokes ... Sitting far away and not even knowing the socio-political situation in a foreign country, you draw conclusions from which it’s funny for me living here, at best, and at worst just causes embarrassment ... you have read articles from the State Department of the Internet about discrimination? We have a working article in the Criminal Code for discrimination on the basis of nationality and incitement to hatred and it works very well ... So you don't need to write about what you don't know ... and I don't need to throw pseudo links like "Letters from an old Uzbek ". Wake up to such a lure when there is no integration in the post-Soviet space, and your enemies will only be happy about that. wink
          1. smile
            smile April 13 2013 12: 34
            +7
            Kurbashi
            Once a week I see people who can not get citizenship or work. forced to take language training for the 4th time. which needs to be passed on to the category, I had a friend, the only survivor in the officer family, who was burned with cigarettes for 2 weeks and raped by her Tajik classmates with their dads, I saw Cossack villages without a single Cossack, whose population was cut out almost without exception by the titular nation , which settled there, had not yet had time to cool down the centers, I saw Russian slaves. slaved back in 1988 ... I saw a dozen and a half dozen girls lying naked corpses dumped in a pile on which dozens of stab and stab wounds were very well distinguished .... are you enough? Believe me. I can continue, I saw a lot .... the topic is unpleasant to me, I am writing - and already in my throat ... I don’t want to talk to you. deal with your small and petty nitpicking .... sorry ... I went to another branch ... I’m not even going to read this ..
            By the way, people like you are often interested in my nationality - I answer - a quarter of the Pole. a quarter is Ukrainian, half is Vainakh, I am almost 42 years old ... I lived in Lithuania for 3 years, since 6 years old I felt like a Russian ... I didn’t stop feeling .... Goodbye ....
            1. Kurbashi
              Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 38
              -1
              Quote: smile
              live once a week, I see people who can not get citizenship or work. forced to take language training for the 4th time. which needs to be passed on to the category, I had a friend, the only survivor in the officer family, who was burned with cigarettes for 2 weeks and raped by her Tajik classmates with their dads, I saw Cossack villages without a single Cossack, whose population was cut out almost without exception by the titular nation , which settled there, had not yet had time to cool down the centers, I saw Russian slaves. slaved back in 1988 ... I saw a dozen and a half dozen girls lying naked corpses dumped in a pile on which dozens of stab and stab wounds were very well distinguished .... are you enough? Believe me. I can continue, I saw a lot .... the topic is unpleasant to me, I am writing - and already in my throat ... I don’t want to talk to you. deal with your small and petty nitpicking .... sorry ... I went to another branch ... I’m not even going to read this ..

              Zvizdun you are not otherwise wink You have picked up excerpts from the Internet word for word from the allegedly osevidsev events with very different events and at the same time taking place in different places where you physically could not be. I say all your statistics are taken from the ceiling and links are of the type such as "a letter from an old Uzbek", etc.
              Quote: smile
              By the way, people like you are often interested in my nationality

              I have your nationality on the drum. For me, a person is interesting in the first place, and I respect him precisely as a person, regardless of the nation’s ethnos, and for what reason I wish you.
              1. smile
                smile April 13 2013 13: 01
                0
                Kurbashi
                Yeah, it’s not in vain that I looked if you dare to answer .... you crossed all possible and impossible limits ... I feel a sense of disgust for you ... I don’t have enough time to go anywhere except IN, and I don’t see alternatives, I wanted to put a smiley on, but I'm not funny ... sir, I don’t respect you .... you are either a kid who is ready to write everything off by his stupidity, apparently judging by himself on your favorite Internet, or cynical its --- a lie, who understands everything perfectly, but pretends to be a fool ..... after your last comment, I feel like stepping into crap .... in vain you wrote it .... if you didn’t notice I wrote that that he wrote only after a considerable amount of small insults poured out by you ... you forced yourself ... and you showed yourself in all its glory ... disgusting, I hope not all your compatriots are like that ....
          2. Denis
            Denis April 13 2013 23: 59
            0
            Quote: Kurbashi
            We have a working article in the Criminal Code for discrimination on ethnic grounds and inciting hatred and it works very well very much ... So you don’t have to write about what you don’t know ...
            What can I say except consonant-DO NOT NEED LA-LA
            It’s worth talking about a working article very stupid (just stupid will tell such lies) to overseas correspondents. And I will listen to people who came from there. They have more faith than the editorials of those newspapers, they’ll tell them so well
            Only now he never believed them, and only to those who retell them all the more
        2. Kurbashi
          Kurbashi April 13 2013 11: 38
          -4
          Quote: smile
          all the more so because in Takzhikistan and Moldova, the local titular population has preferences over the Russians (and for some reason this does not excite you) ... well, do you not know this, huh? You have the same thing, aren't you?

          Do not write downright misinformation; there is no normative legal act in any of the listed countries that enshrines the privilege of one ethnic group over another titular or not titular. You are writing a provocateur as it is ...
          1. smile
            smile April 13 2013 13: 12
            +6
            Kurbashi
            For the most stupid, I explain - In all the Baltic republics and in Lithuania in particular, in which my parents and grandmother live. to take any positions in the public sector and a significant number of jobs requiring higher education it is necessary to pass a language exam in the 1st category ... I am fluent in Lithuanian and I know. that 1 percent of Lithuanians cannot pass the exam for category 95, the exam usually lasts 6-8 hours continuously ... do not disgrace, please, shouting out your truths. what can I call it other than discrimination? In Latvia - it’s even worse there - half of the Russian-speaking population do not have citizenship - do you think I specially arranged this for provocative purposes? You don’t tinker with this — otherwise you will hear much more unpleasant things — and there will be nothing to answer ... you are our dumbbell .... go defend those. who is really discriminated against, human rights activists .... fucking. And think. that blather and what it can lead to, you did not notice. that you provoked me to howl with your howls. that I was not going to write at all, perfectly understanding. that digging out the details will only lead to inciting ethnic hatred ... I regret that I was seduced by your brechology ... you thought you were more sane ... I was mistaken, it's my fault ....
            1. atalef
              atalef April 13 2013 19: 26
              +4
              Quote: smile
              In all the Baltic republics and in Lithuania in particular, in which my parents and grandmother live. To take any positions in the public sector and a significant number of jobs requiring higher education, it is necessary to pass a language exam in the 1 category ... I am fluent in Lithuanian and I know. that an exam in the 1 category cannot pass 95 percent of Lithuanians, the exam usually lasts 6-8 hours

              Just for information, I'm just not in the subject, and you (as you feel) could pass this exam? In general, the norm is absolutely wild, of course you need to know the language, but to demand * perfection * is an absolute nonsense elevated to the rank of paranoia simply simply with racism.
            2. El-bog
              El-bog April 14 2013 04: 49
              +1
              About categories and exam
              There are 3 categories of the Lithuanian language in total. The state requires a document on these categories for different purposes, but almost always only from foreigners or older people (living in Lithuania since the Soviet Union). And if you are a native Lithuanian (by nationality and citizenship) or graduated from school here after 91 years, then it is automatically considered that you know Lithuanian at the level of 3rd category.

              When foreigners pass these categories:
              1st category - needed to obtain a permanent residence permit.
              Category 2 - needed for admission to a local university, where they teach in Lithuanian.
              Category 3 - needed to obtain citizenship.
              1. El-bog
                El-bog April 14 2013 05: 02
                +2
                The exam consists of 3 parts:
                1. written part in the form of a test.
                job type:
                - indicate the correspondence of the points, which announcement where you can see, for example "Do not block the entrance - At the gate"
                - select the correct ones from the suggested replicas and substitute them into this dialogue,
                - enter the necessary words on the missing places in the proposed text (no answers are offered),
                - choose the correct one from the proposed grammatical forms and write in the missing places in the proposed text,
                - Imagine that you found a basket in a store. write an announcement about where and when you found it, what it is, where and when you can pick it up.
                etc.

                2. listening.
                here various dialogues and radio announcements sounded, it was necessary to hear answers to questions in these records (questions are written on the exam sheet).
                answer options were suggested in several tasks, but not in several tasks (that is, you enter the answer yourself)

                3. interview.
                a commission of two Lithuanian teachers called one person into the office and asked all sorts of questions. About you, about family, about work, about food, about an apartment, about the weather .. in general, the conversation was about everything, anything on non-specific topics. 5 minutes per person - maximum.


                -------

                Yesterday, the exam was only 80 people (4 rooms of 20 people). As Jonas and I realized, we were just newcomers, and everyone else had lived here for thirty years and three years.
                For example, there was a man - born in Lithuania, works as a carpenter in a kindergarten. The kindergarten is a state institution, the peasant is a hundred years old at lunch, he is Lithuanian by citizenship, and Russian by nationality, therefore he needs to pass 1 category of language in order to remain in his position in the kindergarten.

                There were also heaps of Poles and Poles, who were also sent from work to take the category. In general, they all indulge in Lithuanian, just the nationality is not Lithuanian.

                And then there was the Russian military, recently retired. He served in Lithuania all his life, so he decided to stay here, no one is waiting for him in Roissy. He also needs category 1 for a permanent residence permit.

                There was also an old woman of about 70 or more. Half-deaf and such is generally not very .. Why did she not understand Lithuanian to her)))

                And in the next class a black man was even noticed. Rather, we noticed him on the street, as he smoked nervously between parts of the exam)))


                Everyone was very worried, blushing, turning white, jumping, smoking nervously and so on. I think that they passed everything.
                1. atalef
                  atalef April 14 2013 07: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: El-bog
                  Everyone was very worried, blushing, turning white, jumping, smoking nervously and so on. I think that they passed everything.

                  I do not look as scary as they say. It’s not clear just why they demand an exam from people who have lived in the country all their lives. And so if we are talking about state. In institutions, they have the right to set criteria for education and knowledge of the language (we don’t have this, but I would say that in my opinion the norm is not superfluous).
                  Upon obtaining citizenship (by emigrants), such a norm exists in all countries (again, with the exception of Israel. But we simply do not have emigrants, we have repatriates - that is, returning to their homeland (such a definition) therefore citizenship is obtained automatically upon arrival at the airport) . Although I would certainly introduce a minimum time qualification - at least a year. Often this goes, deal with him later - it is not realistic to deport citizenship)
                  Once again I write if the exam is only in state. institutions - this can be experienced.
  2. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 13 2013 09: 24
    10
    Quote: Kurbashi
    There is a federal citizenship law

    And there is also a program for the resettlement of compatriots, neither Tajik nor Moldavians are such. Think about it.
    1. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 09: 28
      -3
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      And there is also a program for the resettlement of compatriots, neither Tajik nor Moldavians are such. Think about it.

      About that and the speech ... I do not need to explain it wink This should be explained to comrade Denis ... and as I wrote above, you should not make a comparison where it is generally not appropriate wink And no queues for citizenship are required for those who participate in the program. No need to write comments for comment wink
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter April 13 2013 09: 32
        +9
        Quote: Kurbashi
        And no queues for citizenship are required for those who participate in the program.

        That's right. So let the Tajik and Moldovan queue down, and the compatriot go forward.
        1. Kurbashi
          Kurbashi April 13 2013 09: 36
          0
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          That's right. So let the Tajik and Moldovan queue down, and the compatriot go forward.

          Well, why is there anyway to discuss obvious issues?
    2. Denis
      Denis April 13 2013 09: 34
      +5
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      there is still a program of resettlement of compatriots,
      More precisely declared. Only from the announcement to work is very far
      1. ultra
        ultra April 13 2013 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: Denis
        More precisely declared.

        The program works, in our area at least, with a creak because of the local bureaucracy, but it’s coming! hi
  3. Garrin
    Garrin April 13 2013 09: 52
    10
    Quote: Kurbashi
    And in your opinion, is Moldovan a Tajik not a man?

    And in your opinion, should a person returning to his homeland and a foreigner have equal rights to obtain citizenship? To begin with, let a foreigner prove his loyalty to this state-woo.
    1. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 09: 57
      -2
      Quote: Garrin
      And in your opinion, should a person returning to his homeland and a foreigner have equal rights to obtain citizenship? To begin with, let a foreigner prove his loyalty to this state-woo.

      No need to climb into the barrel wink There is no question of the loyalty of the Motherland, etc. There is a question of procedure on the basis of the Law of the Russian Federation (NOT MOLDOVAN or Tajik) and it was invented in Russia and discrimination is not permissible here because there is only one law for all wink And to understand this, you do not need to be a lawyer wink
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 13 2013 11: 05
        +6
        Quote: Kurbashi
        No need to climb into the barrel

        Not at all planned. I sit completely relaxed on my legal day off, after a hard week. smile

        Quote: Kurbashi
        There is no question of the loyalty of the Motherland, etc. There is a question of procedure on the basis of the Law of the Russian Federation (NOT MOLDOVAN or Tajik) and it was invented in Russia and discrimination is not permissible here because there is only one law for all


        And I'm talking about the imperfection of this law. An urgent need to review it. Moreover, our lawmakers are not distinguished by their special intellect. So the laws they adopted are not the ultimate truth.

        Quote: Kurbashi
        And to understand this, you do not need to be a lawyer


        I’m not a lawyer, I’m just a citizen of my country and I don’t live on Rublevka, so I watch all this abomination every day.
        1. Kurbashi
          Kurbashi April 13 2013 11: 13
          -1
          Quote: Garrin
          And I'm talking about the imperfection of this law. An urgent need to review it.

          So change. You are a citizen, you are a source of power because you are part of the electorate who has chosen the current government. Not Tajik and Moldovan voted in the elections to the State Duma and the President, so what claims to them. Each is worthy of its officials and managers. It is easy to sit and write angry comments and blame someone from the outside, but you all have a question: what did you do to change the course of things?
          1. Garrin
            Garrin April 13 2013 12: 18
            +2
            Quote: Kurbashi
            It is easy to sit and write angry comments and blame someone from the outside, but you all have a question: what did you do to change the course of things?

            And where did you get the idea that I was just sitting and not voting? Or voted for EdRosov?
            1. Kurbashi
              Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 27
              +1
              Quote: Garrin
              And where did you get the idea that I was just sitting and not voting? Or voted for EdRosov?

              Poorly voted, apparently once complaining about the existing system ... Power is a reflection of the people and that’s all. No more no less this is a fact.
              1. Kostjan
                Kostjan April 13 2013 20: 59
                +1
                Quote: Kurbashi
                Poorly voted, apparently once complaining about the existing system ... Power is a reflection of the people and that’s all. No more no less this is a fact.

                But you have excellent power and order that YOUR compatriots are traveling to Russia and Kazakhstan to earn money
              2. Garrin
                Garrin April 13 2013 23: 57
                +1
                Quote: Kurbashi
                Poorly voted, apparently once complaining about the existing system ... Power is a reflection of the people and that’s all. No more no less this is a fact.

                Again, where did you get the idea that I am complaining about the existing system? I agree, some laws adopted by the State Duma do not suit me, but this still does not mean anything.
      2. smile
        smile April 13 2013 11: 56
        +1
        Kurbashi
        Well, about what. to hell with injustice, you say, if we are talking about the SPECIAL PROGRAM FOR THE RETURN OF RUSSIANS TO RUSSIA ... suitcase-station-Russia ... what is not clear to you here, what procedures do you mean if the law is, as you say. Russian Federation, applies exclusively to Russian ... not Kazakhs. not Uzbeks. not Moldavians, not Tajiks .... did it reach? Yes, the law is the same for everyone ... but this law applies exclusively to Russians ... or offensively. what are the preferences for minorities here? ...
        1. Kurbashi
          Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 01
          +1
          Quote: smile
          and the law is one for all ... but this law applies exclusively to Russian ...

          The federal law "on citizenship" does not distinguish between Russians and Russians, have you ever read it? Without reading to write such laughter breaks through ... There is a Fed Zak on citizenship there is a program on resettlement are you aware that these are different things? Do not confuse warm with soft wink
        2. Kurbashi
          Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 07
          0
          Quote: smile
          Well, about what. to hell with injustice you say

          Have you ever read my comment about unfairness? Where do I specifically write about non-justice? You are lying brazenly again ... My opinion is simple and clear: there is a law, there is a procedure, and everyone adheres to it as one regardless of the nation. That's all. YES and I’m writing specifically for you, the speech is about the Federal Law on Citizenship under which, as Denis wrote above, you will have to stand in line on a par with everyone. wink Do not confuse relocation program. so note.
      3. Ivan Kalinovich
        Ivan Kalinovich April 13 2013 13: 40
        -2
        Kurbashi: saw weights, they are golden)))
        Yes, and you can climb into Aladin’s lamp!
  4. Garrin
    Garrin April 13 2013 09: 52
    0
    Quote: Kurbashi
    And in your opinion, is Moldovan a Tajik not a man?

    And in your opinion, should a person returning to his homeland and a foreigner have equal rights to obtain citizenship? To begin with, let a foreigner prove his loyalty to this state-woo.
  5. Kolya
    Kolya April 13 2013 10: 29
    +6
    The legitimate interests of the Tajik, Moldavian and so on. and Russian, including on the territory of Russia, is to follow the laws of Russia, and pay taxes. Do they do this together with their Russian employers? Rarely!!! Follow the law - then by the law and ask.
    1. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 10: 35
      -1
      Quote: Kohl
      The legitimate interests of the Tajik, Moldavian and so on. and Russian, including on the territory of Russia, is to follow the laws of Russia, and pay taxes. Do they do this together with their Russian employers? Rarely!!! Follow the law - then by the law and ask.

      And where does your pearl? And what about taxes and employers? or would you just ascribe something to something somewhere off topic?
  6. andrejwz
    andrejwz April 13 2013 11: 16
    +3
    Quote: Kurbashi
    And in your opinion, is Moldovan a Tajik not a man?

    Person. Probably even a good person. But he has his own house. Ready to be friends at home. But it’s only in my house that I am first of all ready to settle my relative, and only then my neighbor, if his need is relieved. Moreover, I take into account that my relative in the neighbor’s house is often not just uncomfortable, but even sometimes very lousy.
  7. smile
    smile April 13 2013 11: 17
    +1
    Kurbashi
    You are right - the rights are the same, but if you carefully read the article, you know that it was only about Russians ... I repeat - both in polls and in specially adopted programs it was about Russian people oppressed abroad and help in returning them .... it’s strange that you (you usually have very competent and justified comments) didn’t notice this .... that’s true, it seems that the Russians paid too much attention to other nations to the detriment of themselves ... look, this is about the Russians - and here you are, with your aggravated pride .... it’s not good somehow .... especially since the local titular population in Tajikistan and Moldova has preferences over the Russians (and for some reason this does not excite you ) ... well, do you not know this, huh? You have the same thing, aren't you?
    1. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 11: 23
      -1
      Quote: smile
      You are right - the rights are the same, but if you carefully read the article, you know that it was only about Russians ... I repeat - both in polls and in specially adopted programs it was about Russian people oppressed abroad and help in returning them .... it’s strange that you (you usually have very competent and justified comments) didn’t notice this .... that’s true, it seems that the Russians paid too much attention to other nations to the detriment of themselves ... look, this is about the Russians - and here you are, with your heightened vanity ....

      So I write and above I already pointed out this program, it is a program so that it doesn’t sit in the frontlines and cannot be claimed by another title, but if someone decides to receive citizenship according to general principles, according to the Russian Federation Zok on citizenship, please stand by in the line, including on equal terms, including not the title ones ... and that’s all there is no subject of dispute; there are no disagreements and disagreements, and all the more so, a conflict of interests, and pride is all the more painful.
      ps
      in the article it is not indicated anywhere that the program is designed for those countries where Russians are oppressed, it is not necessary to ascribe what is not ...
    2. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 11
      0
      Quote: smile
      it was a question of Russian people oppressed abroad by the Russian Federation and of help on their return ....

      Here again, you write that in general, the article doesn’t have bullies again ... For example, what kind of harassment are we talking about in Germany? So oppressed that almost no one wants to return? wink
  8. ultra
    ultra April 13 2013 11: 41
    +1
    Quote: Kurbashi
    And in your opinion, is Moldovan a Tajik not a man?
    Tajiks and Moldovans have their own state, and in the issue of obtaining Russian citizenship, they cannot be on par with ethnic Russians IMHO! hi
    1. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 11: 44
      0
      Quote: ultra
      Tajiks and Moldovans have their own state, and in the issue of obtaining Russian citizenship, they cannot be on par with ethnic Russians IMHO!

      There is a law and it was not written by Moldovans or Uzbeks; it is the law of the Russian Federation; I do not express opinions and claims; I state a fact. based on the law, everyone is equal to the forefront and discrimination is not appropriate here. This simple axiom I want to convey read above I already wrote
      Quote: Kurbashi
      there is no subject of dispute; there is no disagreement and disagreement, let alone a conflict of interests, and pride is all the more painful.
      1. ultra
        ultra April 13 2013 12: 31
        +2
        Quote: Kurbashi
        based on the law, everyone is equal to the front and discrimination is not appropriate
        The law certainly should give priority to ethnic Russian citizenship! The fact that now he equalizes everyone is a big minus! hi
        1. Kurbashi
          Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 40
          +1
          Quote: ultra
          The law certainly should give priority to ethnic Russian citizenship! The fact that now he equalizes everyone is a big minus!

          Dear, this is already a question not for foreigners, but for the direct to the authorities ...
    2. sashka
      sashka April 13 2013 12: 21
      +3
      Quote: ultra
      Tajiks and Moldovans have their own state, and in the issue of obtaining Russian citizenship they cannot be on a par with ethnic Russians

      Do Russians have it? In any country there is a certain set of nationalities. And how to count it? But there is a State that determines how to continue to live and with whom. Why Russia does not need Russians, is the question?
  9. apro
    apro April 13 2013 12: 24
    +1
    Quote: Kurbashi
    There is a federal law on citizenship, and no one has repealed it where everyone, including the notorious Tajik and Moldovan, has rights and interests in their own right.

    At home.
  10. vaddy72
    vaddy72 April 13 2013 13: 40
    +2
    Tajiks, Moldovans, etc. received their most holy independence and successfully expelled, and in some places they cut all the damned Russian drunks. Therefore, let them now exercise their rights in their free from Russian countries. They have a full and independent right to live in poverty and the Middle Ages, and the vile Russians no longer claim it. So there’s nothing to climb into damned Russia
  • smile
    smile April 13 2013 11: 08
    +3
    Denis
    Unfortunately. forced to admit. that all the advertised programs for resettling Russians who wished to us turned out to be stillborn .... By the way, the program of the Kaliningrad region is also .... there are several reasons, one of them is the gap between the wishes of other politicians and the stupid FMS machine ... just a rarity ...I do not know. at least proceed to public executions - if you pin this down (I mean, in any case, no less than the head of the Federal Migration Service of the region of the regional center) - I see a dumb misunderstanding - what have I done? And what will happen to me now? ... Ugh ... they simply are not able to understand why these stupid programs complicating their life, they do not want to distinguish between a Russian born in the territory of the RSFSR, by virtue of circumstances, who turned out to be 92 years old (ruff mark) abroad from, for example, an Uzbek who, knowing Russian through the word (and despising Russian souls) provides documents for simplified citizenship for Russian people .... Just don’t talk about the evil Putin, who carefully inserts the process into the wheels .. ..I am convinced that if you go with a whip to all the Federal Migration Service of the Kaliningrad Region, then to our local ... go to her mother. I think - to those who accepted the program, allocated loot, but did not provide a mechanism for the implementation of the program - everything would work out .... here is such a sad story ...
    1. COBOK
      COBOK April 13 2013 13: 24
      +1
      The question is not in the priority of one nation over another, but in the fact that gastricians receive financial assistance from their diaspora to distribute bribes to the FMS (they collect the common fund for this matter), and there, if it is already “paid,” the Russians are in line.
  • Vashestambid
    Vashestambid April 13 2013 13: 24
    0
    Will the Russians return to Russia?

    lol Only on vacation, and so will return on with everything too early. Society is not ripe !! am
  • Fox
    Fox April 13 2013 07: 46
    +3
    at the expense of the Kyrgyz Republic, even I'm not sure. my comrades, on the contrary, went there and live in .. UY do not blow. in eastern Kazakhstan. guys come to us from the Kyrgyz Republic, they are not going anywhere ... not ... even some interesting poll . especially "are going to move in one form or another" ... it seemed to me so alone? ...not?...
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 15 2013 14: 08
      +3
      In real life in Kazakhstan, in recent years I have come across more recently migrated from Russia (both Kazakhs and Russians) than with cases of Kazakhstanis moving to Russia. And now, even a business from Russia is starting to register here, because it's really easier for us to do business.
      Most Russians in Kazakhstan do not change citizenship, but are limited to obtaining a residence permit. Most of them are former Kazakhstanis who decided to return (but retaining a Russian passport), but there are more and more Russians who have never been directly connected with the KZ - usually they are residents of border regions who are attracted to Kazakhstan by a good stable salary, low crime, cheap goods and the ability to easily find a suitable job.
      If we talk about moving to permanent residence, then over the past few years the number of people who have left the KZ in the Russian Federation is quite a bit larger and even almost the same as the number of people who left the RF for the KZ.
      The peak of migration from KZ was in the mid-90s. But the wave has long subsided - more than 10 years ago. NONE of my friends are planning to move to Russia. Like gritsa, "Tahiti, Tahiti ... We are well fed here too."
      And despite the fact that the article mentions that Russians are much less eager to move to Russia from Kazakhstan than even from Ukraine, it still seems to me that they drew some dubious figures. All cases when one of my acquaintances left for Russia in recent years was connected with family reunification, and not for national or economic reasons.

  • Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 13 2013 07: 48
    +1
    for 20-25 years - until the demographic situation finally goes back to normal

    It turns out Russia will be a Western colony for another 20 years?
    I don’t think so long.
  • Alejandro
    Alejandro April 13 2013 08: 16
    +2
    The fact that the research is carried out is good, but according to the results, some actions need to be taken - either to help the immigrants or to protect the rights of compatriots abroad. In the meantime, we see only the opposition of local officials - Gaster for grandmothers and citizenship will be given land in a good area, and the Russians will receive neither help nor sympathy. Denis is right
    Quote: Denis
    One blah blah blah in all statements
    1. Kolya
      Kolya April 13 2013 10: 37
      +6
      Losing the Russian diaspora abroad is also a miscalculation. Russians abroad need to be supported: for example, Russian companies abroad are simply obliged to first employ Russians, as Chinese companies - Chinese, Israeli - Jews do. Russians abroad will feel support and cultural ties.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 April 13 2013 08: 18
    +1
    Not an article, but a statistical review of some kind. That would show what has been done by the Russian authorities [/ u]so that the Russians wishing to return do not bother for months, or even years, to obtain citizenship and related rights ...
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 13 2013 08: 19
    +6
    Just help the immigrants only in words, more precisely on paper. I remember when the Germans were called to Germany, they were leaving the USSR and received comprehensive assistance. And housing, and work, and pensioners a normal pension. My mother lives in Kazakhstan, her health is getting worse and it would be nice to bring her to us, only no one will grant her citizenship, and even if this happens, she will have a pension of two, or even three times less than there. The second apartment, the price difference is palpable. In general, judging by what conditions are being created for immigrants, in fact, compatriots need Russia only in words.
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 13 2013 08: 20
    10
    My family would have moved only as a last resort - if our neo-Nazis came to power. And so ... why do they need to leave the native Russian lands? To get them fucked up and sold? For them, people gave their lives! So let the Russian population increase in Ukraine. And there already together it will be possible to put a barrier to Europe.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 13 2013 09: 31
      +8
      Quote: Egoza
      So let the Russian population increase in Ukraine.

      Speak the truth, comrade Marshal, my belated (better later than never) congratulations on the next rank love And about the increase in the population of Russians in Ukraine - to the point. This is what the local Natsiks suggested to us: “Suitcase-station-Russia!” So, let's go with them? I have a big Motherland - the USSR, and a small one - the city where I live, which my grandfather built in the steppe under Stalin. I stay here, although I’m not counting how many relatives and friends are invited to Russia. My Russia is here, no matter how it is called now. And I feel myself Russian, just like many who are "registered" as Ukrainians. I'm sure this is temporary (like a pregnancy that always ends) laughing
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 13 2013 11: 27
        +2
        Thank you, dear Kaa!
        And I support you -
        Quote: Kaa
        I’m staying here, although I’m confused about how many relatives and friends are calling to Russia. My Russia is here, no matter how it is called now.

        Incidentally,
        "Ukraine does not intend to introduce a visa regime with Russia," said Prime Minister Mykola Azarov during the international round table "Inter-party cooperation within the CIS", the government portal reports.
        "We are united by a large number of human and family ties. According to statistics, in Ukraine 15 million citizens have relatives in Russia. And therefore we will never introduce a visa regime with the Russian Federation, "he said."
        http://polemika.com.ua/news-115206.html
        Of course, I am surprised at Mr. Azarov. Ukraine may not introduce a visa regime, but Russia may introduce .... Only now, if we call here all relatives and friends from Russia in case of need, then it will not seem to anyone! laughing
    2. Garrin
      Garrin April 13 2013 10: 04
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      My family would have moved only as a last resort - if our neo-Nazis came to power. And so ... why do they need to leave the native Russian lands? To get them fucked up and sold? For them, people gave their lives! So let the Russian population increase in Ukraine. And there already together it will be possible to put a barrier to Europe.

      Yes, and so we will find ourselves together in the near future. It cannot be otherwise.
  • Belogor
    Belogor April 13 2013 08: 58
    0
    The above statistics once again confirm the axiom; "From good, good is not sought"
  • tm70-71
    tm70-71 April 13 2013 09: 03
    +2
    Article plus, more or less the numbers correspond to reals. In the Kyrgyz Republic, I will say this: Russian-speaking youth are not used here (if someone does not have their own business), pensioners (smart ones) have long ago obtained Russian citizenship (and pensions, respectively) and live much better than even pensioners in the Russian Federation (price level, communal services, etc.) and are not going to move anywhere yet (you and we have this heaven and earth at the household level, including from the titular nation-education Regarding the Resettlement Program, it does not seem to correspond to the requests that the Russian-speaking diaspora has, those nishtyaks that are there are just jokes. Russian-speaking (and here I include Tatars and Chechens and Koreans, etc.) the capital and city. Do you think they will go to a village or a town with a small population, where the level of all nishtyaks, I think so, is not just at times, but ten times lower than even in ours, as Russians say "cheburek". Other incentives are needed, moreover, the embassy of the Russian Federation needs to work, and not a dick I need to work with each family individually. The only thing that can affect the rapid outflow of Russian-speaking people is ethnic clashes. And here, as I see it, Russia can play the first violin. Just as we are now being dragged into the TS, it’s not good. after joining), the impoverishment of the bulk of the population (an increase in prices for everything and everyone) can lead to a stoichiological explosion among the titular nation. And there OSH-2010 may already be repeated. Anything can be.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 13 2013 09: 29
      +1
      Quote: tm70-71
      the embassy of the Russian Federation needs to work, and it’s not necessary to deal with a dick. And it is necessary to work with each family individually.

      Gold words.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek April 13 2013 09: 05
    +6
    The conclusion is, where the standard of living is higher and there is no reason to leave. If there were a standard of living in Kazakhstan like in Germany then there would be no talk. Some people shout press Russian in Kazakhstan, but in Germany that everything is in Russian, they just don’t move they want it. So it’s all the same, it can be in the standard of living. I agree somewhere there is pressure, but this is not the main factor since they wouldn’t speak Russian more in the RK than in the EU, and if in Russia they really cared and helped the immigrants, then who would refuse to return to Russia do not say that there’s a homeland Homeland.
  • Dmitry Desnyansky
    Dmitry Desnyansky April 13 2013 09: 11
    +1
    Fairy tales and nothing else
  • tm70-71
    tm70-71 April 13 2013 09: 15
    +2
    The birthplace is where it was born, I was born in the USSR, and for me the whole former territory of the CIS-Russia is still Motherland, respectively, this is all the local shtown by-bydocracy, that in the Kyrgyz Republic, in the Russian Federation, what you have in Kazakhstan, it’s not just shattering, it’s pisses me off.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 13 2013 12: 03
      +3
      Quote: tm70-71
      Motherland where I was born, I was born here in the USSR, and for me, still, all the former space of SNGovia is Motherland, respectively, all of this is localities, bydlokratiya, in Kyrgyzstan, in Russia, in your country, in Kazakhstan, it’s not just annoying, it’s me best

      Hmm, how does it infuriate us (Kazakhs in Kazakhstan and in general Kazakhstani people)am
      But, only you left ... and we live with her belay
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 April 13 2013 15: 52
        +3
        And who said that I left, no, I live in my homeland and I’m not going to leave. So, I have to communicate with her, and with yours too!
  • sashka
    sashka April 13 2013 09: 24
    +5
    No. There are so many problems here. I "received" citizenship for two years, just because I am RUSSIAN. And I want to live in my homeland. WE ARE NOT NECESSARY HERE. We need shit cleaners. And if you look at it from the outside it turns out such crap .. It’s unbearable .. Glory !! Russia does not need Russians. I'm shocked ..
    1. mayor46
      mayor46 April 13 2013 09: 38
      +3
      We will rely on when the vile on Abrams come to the Kremlin, Mr. ... to dissolve the thought.
  • astrofilosof
    astrofilosof April 13 2013 12: 00
    -1
    Solzhenitsyn A. "How can we equip Russia?" 1990

    http://www.litra.ru/fullwork/get/woid/0021515119003347587

    We need less letters, we need more deeds. Russia-Homeland.
    1. sashka
      sashka April 13 2013 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: astrofilosof
      We need less letters, we need more deeds. Russia-Homeland.

      Whose? For whom? For "ethnic"? As for Moscow for "Muscovites". Come in large numbers here .. But the Motherland clearly does not think about us. Maybe immediately to Magadan? How stupid it is .. To my surprise.
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu April 13 2013 12: 21
    +5
    Quote: smile
    but I still don’t understand such ardor of yours with full connivance of discrimination in the republics of your residence in relation to the Russian and Russian-speaking population ... insulting, honestly - IT'S BAD!


    Smile and others like them LOGIC turn on what DISCRIMINATION??? belay Here is the above one of your patriots wrote

    Quote: vladsolo56
    My mother lives in Kazakhstan, her pension ) will be two, or even three times less than there (in Khan, Bay Kazakhstan).


    HARROSHY TTAKY DISCRCRIMINATION ..- receive a pension in 2-3 times higher than at home in GREAT RUSSIA laughing
    1. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: Alibekulu

      HARROSHY TTAKY DISCRCRIMINATION ..- receive a pension in 2-3 times higher than at home in GREAT RUSSIA

      When the question is raised here, for some, the logic turns off automatically ... it has long been noticed wink
    2. tm70-71
      tm70-71 April 14 2013 07: 35
      0
      It’s not necessary to be clever, she a priori in Russia will receive an old-age pension and that’s all, in Kazakhstan she receives from her seniority, accordingly she (pension) will be half as much (her entire Kazakh seniority in Russia is not taken into account), she worked all her life in the USSR, and then to the Kazakh Republic. Tushunum? A connoisseur of labor-pension legislation has moved in? I can write it in your language if I do not understand Russian
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 15 2013 15: 02
        +2
        I believe that his mother's experience is completely Soviet, not Kazakhstan. Look at the photo of Vlad Solo. IMHO, his parents retired until 1991. So her experience will be fully taken into account.
        1. tm70-71
          tm70-71 April 16 2013 15: 21
          0
          Somehow, I can’t get the math, that in the Russian Federation, that in the Republic of Kazakhstan, the pension legislation is written in accordance with tracing paper, and if they differ (the pension) it will be only for some penny, then the grandmother worked in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but he doesn’t taken into account.
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id April 13 2013 12: 52
    +4
    first, we will take Russians from the countries of the former USSR to the Russian Federation, and then from the national republics of the Russian Federation to the central "Russian" regions? or maybe just help Russians abroad so that they stay there and live more or less, no worse than the locals. it is clear that they have no place in the newly independent countries - they do not know the language, although they have lived there for decades. you need to help them in this, some language courses.
    Gaster go to us, many come to me without Russian crow. after a year they’re quite understandable, it means they have a desire, so they - mostly the village man - understand that they can’t live here without the Russian language and don’t earn money. and our compatriots, having lived all their lives somewhere in Tashkent except fat and rahmat, do not know a single word. there will be no sense from such people in Russia either, they will come and wait when they are given benefits because they are poor and unhappy, or a job where you can stupidly leave your 8 hours 5 days a week and get your salary.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 15 2013 21: 49
      +1
      Russians in Central Asia do not face the tough choice "learn the state language, otherwise you will not be able to work," so they do not strain. In the Baltics, the local authorities clearly linked these two factors, so at once the local Russians, at the very least, mastered Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian.
      Russians in Kazakhstan like to hysteria about the language, but nevertheless, their absolute ignorance of Kazakh does not hinder them from studying, working and relaxing. What is the point of sweating over the state language, if it is so comfortable?
    2. tm70-71
      tm70-71 April 16 2013 17: 28
      +3
      What good will it not? You wrote? Our "Russians" will give 100 points a head start to your Russians. Our "Russians" have absorbed not only "salam", "rakhmat", but also the concept of how to live under the same roof with many nations and nationalities, Our "Russians", for the most part more cultured, more grammatical (except me, with grammar in Russian, and in another language I generally have seams), our "Russians", should be proud, I go to hell from such hackers. who are the "Russians" of Central Asia? Chingiz Aitmatov-Russian? For you obviously not, for me Russian, Ananiev, Shopokov, Sharipov, Chuikov, I do not care who they are by nation, but these people have done a hundred times more for Russia than many Russians. In general, brothers Russians, if you do not know what ASIA is, refrain from commenting!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 13 2013 12: 55
    +3
    And where should they return? Now it’s worth going to Russia only if you are genocide. And so cities suitable for normal housing of 10 pieces throughout the country. In the rest, wilderness and vegetation. So they will come to us in the event that it will be completely shitty there.
  • sichevik
    sichevik April 13 2013 13: 11
    +2
    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. So beautifully described is the renowned State Program. But in reality, everything is not as simple as it seems. I have a lot of acquaintances and friends who came to this program. So, I’m not familiar with her. People come to the state program in the Russian Federation and their ordeal begins. Endless queuing in the bodies of the FMS for registration of RVP and citizenship. Moreover, they stand in lines along with guest workers on a common basis.
    Registration and registration at the place of stay also costs a lot of money. Employment is also on their own. Many do not stand it and leave back. But many remain.
    But in general, the program itself is a good idea, but it’s just not very finalized and clumsy-awkward. a lot of flaws ...
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov April 13 2013 14: 19
    +2
    Why worry ... Russia is occupied by Zionism, the majority of the leadership is Jewish, it is more profitable for them to erode the Russian population and put non-Russians at key points (courts, police, army).
    Russian patriotism in power wakes up when someone, for example the Germans, drives them over the horizon. Then it begins ... "Get up, Russian people, partisans, Motherland is calling". But when the Germans are driven away, then ... "to surrender their weapons in 24 hours (execution), the call from the age of 17 and only to the front line, the item in the questionnaire" was in the occupied territory ", including for relatives.
    Modern Germans live in the DPRK, and it is clear that they are ready to occupy Primorye - therefore, they show some concern for the population - a program for the development of Far East, etc., but this is only a guard dog lure, while it is needed.
    To return to Russia somewhere, you need to come to your senses first.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 15 2013 23: 49
      +1
      Recalled the performance of one Russian woman:

  • Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator April 13 2013 14: 28
    +1
    Russians come back home !!!!
  • amp
    amp April 13 2013 14: 49
    +5
    Looking from where. Of course, they will return from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, but there most likely only deep old people remained there. Of course, we must spice them all unconditionally, but this will not affect demography.
    Another thing is the countries of the West. No one is going to return from there at the moment. Do not agree? Well, imagine a nanny in an English hospital earning £ 3 a month, they protested in Birmingham for a couple of months, which is not enough. Well, just imagine that you already live there ..... eat back? What for? With us, only in Moscow and a couple more - the hard worker can earn the top three places, only life in Moscow is expensive. One metro ticket costs 000 rubles ....

    I said this about hard workers, and as for specialists, they most likely also get more in the West.

    So, don’t say, but you need to raise the standard of living, yes yes, that very sausage should be bigger and it should be fatter, then the people will return. And if it is as it is now - 5% of its peaks, and 95% of its roots, then not only no one will return, but those that are will flee.

    I don’t know about you, but it’s not so much poverty that infuriates me, as the fact that my type of women from the Ministry of Defense live on, while 70% of the population hardly make ends meet.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek April 13 2013 19: 50
    +4
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Just help the immigrants only in words, more precisely on paper. I remember when the Germans were called to Germany, they were leaving the USSR and received comprehensive assistance. And housing, and work, and pensioners a normal pension. My mother lives in Kazakhstan, her health is getting worse and it would be nice to bring her to us, only no one will grant her citizenship, and even if this happens, she will have a pension of two, or even three times less than there. The second apartment, the price difference is palpable. In general, judging by what conditions are being created for immigrants, in fact, compatriots need Russia only in words.

    In Kazakhstan, the prices for apartments are normal, of course you can’t compare with Moscow and Kaliningrad, but adding a bit you can buy something.
  • mox
    mox April 13 2013 20: 25
    +6
    In Ukraine, the country with the largest Russian diaspora in the world (about 8 million people), 65,2% of compatriots expressed interest in moving to Russia in one form or another.

    I do not believe! Wishful thinking is agitation.
    How much moved in 2012 (10th or 11th ???) Only facts. For my life in Ukraine since 1993, from families I know, three families moved. One family military pensioners (more pension in Russia) moved to Belgorod from Poltava to the homeland of the head of the family, the second family also military pensioners moved to the children in Voronezh from Chernigov (they came and regretted, but nothing could be returned) and the employee who finished Yaroslavskoye financial in Soviet times, left the business with classmates to deal with Peter. All. The rest is la-la and drank money.
    It was necessary to save the Slavs from Central Asia, and so since 15 years ago.
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 13 2013 20: 54
    +1
    Russians come back together we are power!
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek April 13 2013 22: 14
    +2
    We have such a program in Kazakhstan and it works, so there would be a will.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik April 13 2013 23: 23
    +2
    Two residents of the city of Troitsk, Chelyabinsk Region - 62-year-old Valentina Vladimirova and 64-year-old Lyudmila Kosolapova - opposed the small pension increases. Both of them worked for four decades in the education system. Vladimirova, according to her, has passed all positions in the field of preschool education. Kosolapova graduated from Chelyabinsk Pedagogical University and went to teach geography and biology to the school number 9 opened in Troitsk. At the end of December 2012, the teacher quit and found that the pension had put her below the poverty line. Her friend Vladimirova by that time had been trying to come to terms with the life of a Russian pensioner for more than a year. “Every six months there were pension increases, but very small. Prices were rising faster, ”Vladimirova explained to Gazeta.ru. “In February, they raised my pension by 543 rubles 93 kopecks, and in April - by 289 rubles 91 kopecks.” Calling such increases handouts, she imagined how she could throw a trifle in the face of the country's leadership. Meanwhile, power in the form of a United Russia deputy, Raisa Karmazina, demanded to raise the salary of parliamentarians from 150 to 200 thousand rubles. Against this background, the April increase in pension seemed quite miserable, and the former kindergarten teacher nevertheless got to the post office and sent his increase to Vladimir Putin. The company was her Kosolapova. “My increase was more than 300 rubles, but I paid the transfer fee and sent an equal amount. I indicated this in a message to the president, ”the teacher emphasized.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik April 13 2013 23: 24
    +1
    The transfer was sent on April 5, and on April 11 the money returned - the Kremlin was not interested in sponsorship from pensioners.
    But they decided not to take the money. “The president doesn’t need these pennies and we don’t need either,” says Vladimirova. She explained that her pension is eight thousand rubles. Four have to be paid for an apartment, part of the money goes to medicines. There is very little left for food, mainly bread. They don’t think about clothes anymore. “We have been wearing one coat for 10-15 years,” says Vladimirova.
    The demarche against tiny increases excited officials in the administration of Troitsk. Both pensioners were invited to a conversation. The deputy mayor of the city, Rosalia Vishnyakova, called Kosolapova. “When I was a class teacher, Vishnyakova taught in my class,” said Kosolapova. The official immediately stated that the actions of pensioners fall under the article of the Criminal Code.
    “She took out a printout of the articles and said that it was an insult to an officer in execution,” Kosolapova said. We are talking about article 319 of the Criminal Code (insulting a representative of the authorities), it provides for a fine of up to 40 thousand rubles or correctional labor for a year.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik April 13 2013 23: 25
    +1
    Osolapova asked if a criminal case had already been opened, and noted that even if she sold all her property, she would not have enough money to hire a lawyer who was ready to compete with the president’s lawyers. However, things did not go further than threats. Vishnyakova said that it is better for a pensioner to direct her energy to clean the city streets - take a shovel, a broom and go on a community work day. “She also said that I should adequately represent the teachers of the city. But how to live with dignity on such a pension? ” - Kosolapova adds that she will definitely go to a community work day, but not by order of the administration, but of her own free will.
    Vladimirova was also invited to talk to the head of the education department Natalya Ovchinnikova, but she decided not to go. “I have nothing to talk to them about,” Vladimirova explains.
    It was not possible to get an official comment from representatives of the Trinity administration to Gazeta.ru. What will happen after their action, the residents of Trinity do not think. Former teacher and educator put their energy into the defense of their native land. They participated in protecting the residential yard from the construction of a shopping and entertainment center - they stood in front of bulldozers. But to defend the yard failed. Now they are trying to attract the attention of the chairman of the meeting of deputies of Troitsk to environmental and health problems in the region.
  • mr.Man
    mr.Man April 14 2013 01: 22
    +1
    From Germany - a state with one of the highest living standards in the world, almost no one is going to leave. 87,8% of German compatriots when asked about the desire to move to the Russian Federation answered “probably no” or “definitely no”, and only 4,2% said “rather yes” or “yes” ...
    I wonder where the interest comes from?
    The program is good and, in general, has been going on since Yeltsin’s times .., I determined my son is studying at the institute under a program to help compatriots .., well, if at the end of his studies he finds his place in Russia ...
    Itself would have moved, but where ..?
    I was always a city dweller, I’m old already to go out into the nature (only to barbecue to the cottage ...) and start housing from scratch ...
    A 5-minute walk to the sea is a hut .., you can sell, but .. what will I get in the end?
    Siberia, taiga and a weak pensioner in the garden ...
    The times of refugees are over ...
    I can obtain citizenship in Russia and Kazakhstan .., I live in Latvia, but here is a non-GR ..)
    1. Denis
      Denis April 14 2013 01: 39
      +1
      There is no sea here, but I love it with joy with my funny program
      everything is solved, I write in a personal
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek April 14 2013 11: 55
    +5
    Yes, do not care for your government on your compatriots, and you, in principle, too, you will scream in large numbers tomorrow. And if your government becomes his apartment, give out benefits, so you generally say what kind of merit, come from where you came from.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 14 2013 12: 09
      +2
      Quote: Kazbek
      tomorrow you will scream come in large numbers.

      Typical situation. Many friends were told that they were hostile, like nobody called you here.
      1. Earthman
        Earthman April 14 2013 12: 13
        +3
        Quote: Allex28
        Typical situation. Many friends were told that they were hostile, like nobody called you here.

        how a Kazakhstani Russian neighbor went to live in Russia, then he came home offended, he says he’s called a Kazakh there, like what? what did you come?
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek April 14 2013 16: 16
    +3
    I heard the same thing. Kazakhs call me names, as we used to call the Mongols the Oralmans from Mongolia.
  • 789456123789
    789456123789 April 14 2013 20: 43
    0
    The strength of the state is in the ability to protect its citizens, and we are just fooling! Anyone pokes us in the face, and we eat. We look, read and hear how they rape, kill, humiliate, put us without reason. How many Russian people died after the collapse of the Union, no one will ever say. What is happening to these insignificant countries now that are still pursuing the genocidal policy of the people who have done so much for them? Having got rid of us, they got a complete collapse at home, now they climb to us, knocking down the price of labor and dragging drugs here. And we are again politically correct !, having no will to resist arrogant claims and blackmail by Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Tajik and other bays!
    1. Denis
      Denis April 15 2013 01: 30
      0
      Quote: 789456123789
      The power of the state in the ability to protect its citizens
      In addition to strength, desire is still necessary, friend!
      Themselves, only yourself! Not believing these unconventional he pulled seven from there
  • gvinpin
    gvinpin 9 October 2013 19: 26
    +1
    Thank you for bringing up the topic of the migration of Russian people back to Russia - personally, I believe that it is in this area that our state has the most problems. It is no secret that Russian people are very suggestible and, due to their natural naivety, are ready to accept absolutely any nonsense on faith, if it is expressed firmly and categorically. And in this regard, many believe that Russia is a country to which only a madman wants to move for permanent residence, while the real situation is somewhat different - thousands of Russian people who, after the collapse of the USSR, were cut off from their native land, are forced to endure oppression from indigenous people in countries that were formerly part of the Soviet Union. And those Russians who, after Perestroika, had a chance to live for several years, or even decades in countries such as Latvia, Lithuania, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and even Ukraine, can colorfully describe the titanic difficulties they had to face in order to get the local leadership and officials the same benefits and the same attitude that are freely available absolutely to all local residents. And these Russians with extraordinary joy would return to themselves, to their native land, if at least some law of Russian legislation stood up for their rights and freedoms. However, in order to thoroughly understand the essence of the problem, you need to read at least once real stories from the lives of such people - and there are many of them, and some not only managed to return, but also achieved a lot already in their historical homeland. For example, the true state of affairs of Russian emigrants is described very colorfully and in all details in one of the articles of the collection "Where are the Russians going?" (the author's surname is Lapin, or Larin, I don’t remember exactly, I read it on the net) - real thoughts and letters of people who faced a stone wall of bureaucracy on their way back to Russia are given. One cannot but agree with the author and call these residents of nearby countries, once part of a powerful world empire, as "strangers in their own country" ... I myself am Russian, but it so happened that I live in one of the national republics of our country. And, to be honest, although I have a Russian passport and Russian citizenship, although I live in my own apartment and enjoy all the existing municipal benefits, I still feel that if I start looking for a job, or if I decide to start a political career in the local apparatus, there are no super prospects I can't see my ears. 90% of city and republican administrations, 90% of people holding leading positions in state institutions of our republic are representatives of the local nation. And even if I, being in the center of Russia, my homeland, feel this inequality on my own skin, then what can we say about those Russians who, by a whim of fate, became hostages of their position and are forced to endure all the hardships associated with the fact that called "national oppression". Who will help them and how soon will the state stand up to protect their rights? Moscow is silent ...