Will We Return? The Last Page of Russia's Mediterranean Squadron Has Been Turned

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Will We Return? The Last Page of Russia's Mediterranean Squadron Has Been Turned

In general, this was to be expected, so if anyone is surprised, it is completely undeserved. After the completely unfriendly gentlemen from the yesterday openly terrorist group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham came to power in Syria, it would be overly optimistic to expect anything other than requests for Russia to calmly clear the territory of Syria.

This is, in fact, what happened. Syria's new ruler, Ahmed al-Sharaa (better known by his nickname Abu Muhammad al-Julani), asked Moscow to hand over Bashar al-Assad, who had fled to Russia, to his homeland as a show of goodwill. That's how Reuters described the situation.



But one former Israeli intelligence officer, Sergei Migdal, who has now become a military expert, has given out information that al-Sharaa demanded all three Assads: the former ruler, his brother, and his sister's husband (at least he is conditionally Assad). But Moscow didn't like this (really, who cares about the Assads' broken cards), although handing over one's own is not very nice, the question is how "one's own" the Assads are. Perhaps more than that, it didn't like the demand for multi-million (if not billion) compensation for allegedly destroyed civilian infrastructure: schools, hospitals, factories, and the like. Naturally, all of this was destroyed exclusively by Russia, so it had to pay.

Although in general our people were ready to pay for Tartus and Khmeimim. With food, weapons, yes to everyone.

Well, in order to stimulate the negotiating process, the new Syrian government immediately cancelled the agreement with Russia on the management of the port of Tartus, which was concluded for 49 years in 2017.


The whole process was hidden behind very vague formulations, and therefore it became clear that no agreement had been reached. Otherwise, we would have been talking about it on every corner. But, apparently, the Kremlin decided not to give up its Assads and not to pay for everything that was destroyed by others in Syria, and therefore Russia lost its last bases in that region. Some called it "another resounding success of Russian diplomacy", but there is no point in agreeing with this. A bandit is a bandit, and there is no point in repeating Sevastopol, which Russia was blackmailed with for two decades. It would not have worked out with Tartus.

Today, many are sighing for Tartus, the loss of which forced the last representatives of the Russian fleet leaving the Mediterranean, but to be honest, it's nothing compared to the loss of Khmeimim.

Therefore, we will talk about the navy below, and about the air fleet right now. Simply because the value of these two sites for Russia is incommensurate: Khmeimim is many times more valuable than Tartus, but the value of the latter is generally questionable.

Why is that? It's simple.


The Khmeimim airbase has an airfield with a long runway that could accommodate heavy military transport aircraft of the Ruslan type. It was a key point on the way to Africa: refueling, crew rest, aircraft maintenance.


And this is practically the only place on the 6 thousand kilometer route on the way to the Central African Republic. Or Mali. Where... However, this is a topic for another conversation, it is enough that we really need transport planes to fly there. Period.

And in the future, Russia simply needs such a base to maintain its presence in Central Africa. And it is really necessary, it is more important than all these hypothetical threats that the fleet can create in the same Mediterranean Sea. But we will talk about this in the very near future.

The Israelis noted in their publications that Russian planes began flying through Libya. Specifically, through the airfield of the city of Benghazi, which is under the control of the rebel General Haftar. "Rebel" in Libyan terms is someone who is against those who seized power and killed Muammar Gaddafi.

But Libya is in the middle of a civil war, and securing the base, aircraft, cargo and personnel is a very serious problem. But losing Syria is better than nothing.

We don't have any other allies there yet. So the main goal should be to find those who are ready to cooperate with Russia in terms of creating a springboard for us to work in Africa. But no one is eager to cooperate, and if someone does take steps to meet us halfway (like the Libyan rebels or Sudan), the Americans very successfully parry all of Russia's timid attempts to negotiate with someone else.

With the loss of Khmeimim, Russia has problems that simply must be solved in the very near future.

Now let's talk about Tartus



If we discard all the verbal chaff that is all over the airwaves about how Russia simply needs a logistics center in Tartus to support ships on long voyages, then the question arises: what kind of "long voyage" is this? From our shores to Syria is two thousand kilometers. In total. Usually they refuel on long voyages differently, only after moving away from their bases.

Today the Baltic Fleet is engaged in a very important and useful task - escorting tankers that could be attacked by various lovers of free oil like the Balts and Finns. And what to do in the Mediterranean? Who can tell me?


Tartus played a very important role when Russia supported Assad. It was to this port that the ships of the "Syrian Express" went, supplying the group of Russian troops in Syria with everything they needed. Now that Syria is lost, Tartus is of no use. It is equally useless for operational actions in the Mediterranean (to the west), and for actions in the south, in the Red Sea.


If you look at the map, Tartus is located far from the usual routes. Of course, having a naval base in the Mediterranean is better than not having one, but here another question arises: for what purpose? To show the flag again?

It would be worth recalling here that since March 2022, in connection with the outbreak of war between Russia and Ukraine, Turkey has closed the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits to all warships of all countries. This is what Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said.

So the Black Sea Fleet headquarters can forget about the Mediterranean. Although, it is worth noting that there is not much to sail in the Black Sea today. The ships of the Baltic Fleet, which is no bigger than the Black Sea, now have something to do besides stupid things like "showing the flag". They need to protect merchant ships from Baltic pirates.

As for the Northern and Pacific fleets, their presence in the Mediterranean looks... inappropriate. The entry of these ships into the Mediterranean Sea will indeed require replenishment of supplies and the presence of some kind of base, but... thousands of kilometers reduce to zero any fleet capabilities in the time period.

Translation: By the time ships from Murmansk or Vladivostok reach the Mediterranean, it will most likely be all over there. An example? Simple as pie. On November 27, 2024, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham launched an offensive, and on December 8, Damascus was taken by them. 12 days.

By the way, Israel and Iran also completed the task within 12 days.

At the same time, it makes sense to recall the cruise of the heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov to Syria. The cruiser and accompanying ships set out to sea on October 15, 2016 from Severomorsk. On October 21, they passed the English Channel. On October 31, the group was off the coast of Algeria. On November 4, the ships were off the coast of Syria. 20 days.


It is scary to even guess how long the squadron will travel from the Pacific Ocean. But the fact is that any conflict or military coup may end by that time.

Of course, for those who have their own interests in the region (namely the US), everything is fine with the ships: two Arleigh Burkes, Paul Ignatius (DDG-117) and Oscar Austin (DDG-79), are permanently based in the Spanish port of Rota. And as soon as the smell of war between Israel and Iran began to loom, both destroyers rushed there, to the east, at full speed.


And there are three more ships hanging out there: Arleigh Burke (DDG-51), Thomas Hudner (DDG-116) and The Sullivans (DDG-68).

And you know, five missile destroyers are a force that a pair of frigates simply cannot cope with, no matter what our patriots say. I had to read one such fabrication that the Admiral Grigorovich with the Kalibr missiles could "disturb the underbelly of Europe."

Divine stupidity, because the only people the Admiral Grigorovich could worry about are the family members of its crew. You can't scare anyone with Kalibrs these days. Subsonic cruise missiles are a thing of the past. They are easily tracked and intercepted just as easily. Proven by the SVO. And five American destroyers would make bloody mincemeat out of the frigate. And the diesel submarine in the task force would have a hard time of it.


But the most uninteresting thing is that the US 6th Fleet is not a permanent unit. Only a ship with the fleet headquarters is constantly hanging around there somewhere, but they will bring as many ships as needed. It is difficult to say what an impressive pair of frigates and an old diesel submarine will be able to do there, but the idea of ​​rattling weapons “on distant shores” has not yet disappeared from everyone’s heads. It’s a pity, because times are not what they used to be. Russia has the Russian fleet at its disposal, not the Soviet one. Alas, but the fleet whose flag was respected in all oceans is in stories, and what is left is not enough to reach distant shores, no matter what you say.

Indeed, all these antics regarding "like in the old days" are not even funny. They are sad, because Russia does not have a fleet that the world respected (or rather feared). Well, if there is no fleet, what is the point of a base?

What was the composition of the task force in the Mediterranean at the end of the line? A frigate and a diesel-electric submarine? And even with cruise missiles, is that a force that could have decided anything?

Okay, let's try to imagine. There is Iran, with which we now have an alliance treaty. More precisely, the Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership between Russia and Iran. Not the same as with the DPRK, but nevertheless. Let me remind you that it was signed by the parties on January 17, 2025, in April it was ratified by the Russian side in full, but Iran dragged it out until June 15.

The Agreement contains clause 3, which states:

In the event that one of the Contracting Parties is subjected to aggression, the other Contracting Party shall not provide any military or other assistance to the aggressor that would facilitate the continuation of aggression, and shall assist in ensuring that the differences that arise are settled on the basis of the Charter of the United Nations and other applicable norms of international law.

A very good point, because it was precisely on this basis that Russia was not obliged to immediately get into a fight with Israel and the US, although many people in our country spoke out loudly on this topic. What we should, we are obliged, Iran is our closest ally and all that.

They shouldn't and they're not obliged to, glory to the creators of the document.

But if the Treaty had a corresponding clause, then, attention, a question: what could one, albeit modern, frigate and one good diesel-electric submarine do in the current situation? Fire a mighty salvo at Israel, supporting an ally? Like all 8 "Kalibr" missiles from a frigate and all 4 from a submarine?


Yes, 12 "Kalibr" is just powerful... I suspect that it could have been done without being noticed, because there were dozens and hundreds of missiles coming from Iran. Or it would have been possible to attack American ships. Project 11356R can operate "Onyx", and this is much more serious than "Kalibr". But I have already said that even three "Arleigh Burke" is more than enough for a frigate.

And if you consider that the Sixth Fleet usually has an aircraft carrier hanging around in the Mediterranean (usually in the Suez Canal area, so that, if anything, it can keep the Red Sea under control), one cruiser, the Ticonderoga, the aforementioned destroyers – and that’s the bare minimum!


So, what's the point of all this?


To the point that if there is no strength to speak as equals, then there is no point in disgracing ourselves. For what? To demonstrate that we have no fleet? To protect our allies? But we have no such allies, and there is no need to protect the two we currently have in the Mediterranean: both Belarus and North Korea are very far from those places. “Russia’s interests”? Well, the US 6th Fleet can easily veto them.

All this talk about naval bases and "flag shows" is not very smart. Bases require a lot of money to build and maintain. And if they are to be built, then they should be built in such a way that no one would think that they can tear up and throw the lease or management agreement in the trash with impunity. The US is doing well, but we are not. Although no, everything worked out quite well in Crimea.

And since this is not a cheap pleasure, the money that will need to be spent on creating a new base is better invested in something else. For example, in Drones, which the army needs so much. Or shells.

And to display the Russian flag... You know, I would take it upon myself to recommend several more appropriate areas on the map for this. Not some vague distant shores, but very specific Kharkov, Sumy, Dnepropetrovsk, Kyiv. That's where the Russian flag will look more significant and will not raise questions. And it will evoke respect in some, and a spill of bile in many.

And such a demonstration will be much more useful for the country than ships roaming off the coast of South America or Oceania. And our flag is not particularly needed there, which cannot be said about Ukraine.

But most of all I would like to see the flag over Nikolayev. And then, when everything is over, it will be possible to build ships there. Which will furrow the seas and oceans, reminding us that Russia is a maritime power. But this will be a slightly different story, but no less interesting.

And today Russia has absolutely no need for naval bases on distant shores, because there are no squadrons that will be based there, and there are no tasks for these squadrons. Everything, as they say, has its time.

However, I won’t lie: it would be very interesting to see a Russian submarine fleet base somewhere in Cuba or Nicaragua.

The fact that Russian ships left the Mediterranean today - let this sadden the pessimists. And let the optimists say: "We will return."

Naval bases are necessary for a country that has a fleet. Without a fleet, there is no need for bases. And in order to successfully solve our problems in Africa, a couple of reliable ports on the African coast are quite sufficient for us. If there is one thing we have learned, it is to transfer military equipment on civilian dry cargo ships.

But most of all we need a reliable airfield with a large runway. For what? To make it easier to grab our "partners" by the throat. How? A little patience, we will talk about this topic in the near future.

And in the end


And in conclusion I would like to say this: I have read a lot of moans about how we shamefully left the Mediterranean Sea, how our diplomats were unable to reach an agreement with the terrorists, how the memory of the Mediterranean squadron was trampled, and all that sort of thing.

Yes, we have lost a lot. And we managed to do it in the shortest possible time, in a Stakhanovite way. We have lost bases. We have lost almost the entire Soviet fleet. We have lost factories. Yes, we have lost an entire country. Together with the past and authority on the world stage.

And? And yes, it is difficult and unpleasant. But there is a certain confidence that we will return. We have always returned, and we will return later. Maybe not tomorrow, but a country whose history goes back several thousand years (more than one is several), and people lived on this land 50 thousand years ago, what is 10-20 years? Foam under the propellers.

Let's go back, there's no point in crying over what was lost. It can't be returned. Yesterday, the last Russian warship left the Mediterranean. Well, we just need to bring tomorrow closer, when the ships return. And write a new page in history.
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  1. +25
    27 June 2025 03: 49
    What is needed now is not a fleet, but ground forces, so that the Central Military District does not drag on for 10 years.
    1. +24
      27 June 2025 06: 57
      So that's it... it turns out this base wasn't needed...
      1. +26
        27 June 2025 07: 29
        That's right. The hat should fit Senka.
      2. +8
        27 June 2025 07: 33
        It would have been better if they had prepared properly for the SVO, instead of helping Assad.
        1. +3
          27 June 2025 10: 41
          What are they preparing for? The Kosher ones took out Iran's main long-range air defense with their first ATGM strikes. And then the Kosher ones' air force echoed whatever they wanted.
          Well, there is a keen understanding of the problems with intelligence to detect complexes Ukrainians and cut them out with a ground group, but you can play on the decoy. Work with geraniums. Let's say 10 goes high and a couple more dozens are low. Those that are high make the air defense start working, and those that are lower take out the air defense.
          The Achilles heel of all this is NATO's AWACS, which are located beyond the border of Khokhlostana. But we must try to cut out the air defense. Control of the sky over Khokhlostana is immediately minus EVERYTHING. Logistics, maneuver, and so on. The ground forces will do the rest.
          1. +6
            27 June 2025 14: 01
            No NATO AWACS can see left-bank Ukraine. We simply don't have radio-technical reconnaissance that would take out enemy radars. Soviet ones still magically appear in the frame. And the question is how they were found - maybe a drone flew in by accident request
            1. 0
              27 June 2025 15: 40
              There are enough reconnaissance means there even without AWACS. The enemy knows about everything that is heading their way. All our strategists, the carriers of the Kinzhals, detect our Geranis in advance.
              1. +3
                27 June 2025 18: 35
                Well, that's because there is no single, integral army. The pilot was given a plane, missiles and a target - well, let him do the rest on his own. The pilot detected radar radiation - well, let him evade, what if there's air defense? And no one will bother - there's a radar right there, air defense in the area, let's start hunting! No, that's what the command should be doing, and it didn't climb up there to work later! stop
          2. +5
            27 June 2025 16: 25
            To properly prepare for the SVO means not only to reach Kyiv, but also to begin an assault if the enemy does not want to agree to our conditions, and not to make gestures of goodwill.
          3. +3
            27 June 2025 21: 11
            Quote: PROXOR
            Work with geraniums. Let's say 10 goes high and a couple more tens go low. Those that are high make the air defense start working, and those that are lower take out the air defense.

            Geranis do not distinguish targets, do not see them, they hit the coordinates. For the removal of air defense there are anti-radar missiles, Iskanders and UAVs like Lancet.
            1. -2
              27 June 2025 23: 10
              Quote: MBRBS
              Geraniums do not distinguish targets, they do not see them, they hit the coordinates.

              Geraniums come in different varieties. They showed one with a pretty sophisticated video communication system. It's like with Orlans, made of shit and sticks, and the basic ones fly like in ancient times, then fly back and almost develop the film. And there are sophisticated options.
            2. 0
              30 June 2025 09: 57
              Well, at least somehow. We need a unit to fight enemy radars and launchers. And let them choose the means themselves. But the main thing!: so that in the end not a single Ukrainian air defense system could even squeak.
        2. 0
          27 June 2025 16: 10
          Assad, or rather his brother, has a so-so reputation in Syria... He's bred drug labs all over the country. Bashar himself may be involved, but I'm writing from the words of a Syrian taxi driver, he was pushing his brother...
          1. +1
            1 July 2025 14: 29
            A Syrian, and especially a taxi driver - a fucking reliable source. It's even cooler than obs. laughing
            1. 0
              1 July 2025 16: 03
              Well, why not? The Internet is also full of materials about the Assads' drug business and many believe them unconditionally. Why not ask a resident of Syria what he knows and thinks. And in general, taxi drivers are very much loved by intelligence services, in vain you say so.
        3. -2
          27 June 2025 21: 06
          Quote: Mars
          It would have been better if they had prepared properly for the SVO, instead of helping Assad.

          And it's even better to stay at home and not stick your nose outside the state border. According to the principle "what if something happens!"
          1. +2
            27 June 2025 22: 54
            Considering how they prepared for the SVO, it would have been better if the first ones hadn't started. Two blockheads Shoigu and Gerasim can only win in biathlons.
      3. +14
        27 June 2025 08: 34
        Now...We need to clearly and truthfully say who is to blame for the Syrian failure.

        Whose mistake is it? And who will bear responsibility.

        No untouchability.
        1. +32
          27 June 2025 08: 52
          Our politicians and officials never publicly analyze the reasons for their own failures: neither pension reform, nor administrative reform, nor reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor reform of science and education. Unlike Britain, the USA. That is why they hit us in the gut in intellectual duels.
          1. +2
            27 June 2025 09: 55
            They only get rich from failures.
            And for the Anglo-Saxons it is a common practice to set up puppets who are to blame for everything for the mistakes. The initiators still get rich.
            "Ours" simply haven't yet grown up to this "technology" on a mass scale.
          2. vBR
            0
            28 June 2025 00: 45
            Quote: Galina Mylnikova
            Our politicians and officials never publicly analyze the reasons for their own failures: neither pension reform, nor administrative reform, nor reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor reform of science and education. Unlike Britain, the USA. That is why they hit us in the gut in intellectual duels.

            They do not analyze not only publicly, but also privately. Either they do not know that this should be done, or their goals are such that it is better not to report.
          3. -1
            28 June 2025 14: 01
            Yes Yes Yes
            British/American politicians are smart, wise, intellectual, etc., but Russians are stupid, incapable of analysis, with zero intelligence, and they also don’t know how to fight (not like the Anglo-Saxons), Russians are, in a word, underdeveloped idiots.
        2. -4
          27 June 2025 10: 21
          Well, tell me about it at the elections.
          1. +7
            27 June 2025 11: 12
            I always talk about elections like this. Shnur has a wonderful song about elections, listen to it.
          2. +14
            27 June 2025 11: 16
            Quote: Gardamir
            Well, tell me about it at the elections.

            The candidates are either in prison or in the grave...
            1. +14
              27 June 2025 11: 24
              Or they are forced to leave. And Grudinin was hounded for 3 years both before and after the elections in 2018, so now he is neither heard nor seen.
            2. 0
              27 June 2025 21: 30
              Quote: ROSS 42
              The candidates are either in prison or in the grave...

              They will be there in the future until the people learn to get off their butts. I am not directing a reproach at you, it is just that more than 50% of Russians (or even more) are sure that "it is all useless, everything has already been decided for us." The authorities are quite happy with this "peace and quiet".
          3. 0
            27 June 2025 21: 21
            Gardamir It is useless to drag local "strategists" to the elections, it is too petty for them. Besides, their indisputable authority, namely:
            У Cord there is a wonderful song about the elections,

            is critical of the elections. And where would they be without authority?
            laughing
            1. +5
              27 June 2025 22: 42
              Quote: MBRBS
              Gardamir, it is useless to drag local "strategists" to the elections, it is too petty for them.

              The fact that some people, over the past thirty years, have not understood that participation in elections is useless and even harmful is, of course, sad.
          4. +1
            28 June 2025 02: 49
            Well, tell me about it at the elections.
            - What? To whom? How?
        3. -6
          27 June 2025 10: 35
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Now...We need to clearly and truthfully say who is to blame for the Syrian failure.

          Whose mistake is it? And who will bear responsibility.

          No untouchability.

          Comrade Assad is to blame. As is another comrade from Ukraine. And the conclusion can be made this way: don't meddle in other people's affairs. The example of the USSR has taught us nothing at all
          1. +3
            28 June 2025 07: 53
            If you don't go to war, war will come to you. You can't sit it out. In order to at least stay on the achievements that you have now, you need to move forward very hard. The weak are taken by everyone and their dog.
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        5. +6
          27 June 2025 14: 28
          Do you really believe that "they will tell the truth who is to blame"?! lol We have had no guilty parties for a long time now! No matter what happens - "there are no guilty parties"! request request
          That is why the right conclusions are not drawn from mistakes and errors! Only transfers from one ministry (chair) to another (chair)! hi
        6. +10
          27 June 2025 16: 22
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Whose mistake is it? And who will bear responsibility.

          What are you saying, what responsibility? It was simply necessary to cover Israel, so that after Assad's fall, the bogeymen or Iranian proxies would not bother it prematurely. The task was accomplished. When the time came, everything was handed over at the command of the king "playing the carrot pipe."
          Spent time/effort/resources, built bases, lost people?
          Is this the first time?
          Or only there?
          All the oddities are explained simply, but no one will answer. Because no one will ask.
          We are not surprised that we have been at war for four years, and the Russian army is still hanging around the forester's huts and not touching the infrastructure. Because the task is completely different. And it is being accomplished.
          A cartoonish-looking kinglet plays a carrot flute. The flute is apparently magical.
          True, the other day a red-haired guy from overseas stuck this pipe into another hole, opposite from his mouth, with all his might... Now the music sounds different... But it is still "magical".
          1. -1
            27 June 2025 21: 50
            Quote: bayard
            It was simply necessary to cover Israel so that after Assad's fall, the bogeymen or Iranian proxies would not bother it prematurely.

            No, that's not it. Assad's fall is a joint special operation by Israel and Turkey to push Iranian proxies out of Syria so that they can't threaten Israel from a cannon shot away. Erdogan is a real hypocrite, his attacks on Israel are only in words, but in reality he is very happy about Iran's weakening.
            1. 0
              27 June 2025 23: 01
              Quote: MBRBS
              , not so. Assad's fall is a joint special operation by Israel and Turkey to oust Iranian proxies from Syria

              I am talking about the events leading up to the introduction of the military group in 2015.
              And on the eve of the withdrawal, everything was like this - British proxies from Turkish territory. And the advance withdrawal of Iranian proxies.
        7. +2
          27 June 2025 20: 46
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          No untouchability.

          laughing laughing laughing
        8. 0
          28 June 2025 13: 13
          That's all true, but a little later. Who cares today that instead of training we did biathlon, instead of building an army we built religious objects and held balls named after the Kazhugetavichi?
          Now we need to quickly fix the complicated stuff and reformat the restructured stuff.
          Restore the destroyed military schools, restore the unbroken chains of officer succession from company to regiment level, actively respond to the changing specifics of combat as such, and revenge and justice will be served cold...after the Victory!
      4. +11
        27 June 2025 09: 53
        As it was there: "Everything is written correctly in this paper, but in this case we are dealing with an industrial accident. The comrade miscalculated his strength." Yes, anything can be brought under Skomorokhov's recipe. In the 90s they already sang to us: "this is not necessary, that money is just wasted." As a result, they surrendered all positions and bases around the world, "lost" the fleet, space, aviation, army, industry. Is it possible that the same thing has started now?! Scary.
      5. -4
        27 June 2025 19: 01
        Quote: Civil
        So that's it... it turns out this base wasn't needed...

        When it was created, it was needed, but now it is no longer needed. The situation has changed.
      6. 0
        6 July 2025 11: 29
        Well, now - it's not needed. But before - it was needed. Everything leaks, not just the pipes in the basement of a multi-story building ;)
    2. +28
      27 June 2025 07: 51
      Maybe it's not the army? But those "strategists" at the top. They are losing everything they can in domestic foreign policy...
      1. +2
        27 June 2025 07: 59
        If you have an overwhelming superiority in forces, then you don’t care about political views at all.
        1. +3
          27 June 2025 13: 35
          This power still needs to be used correctly. Otherwise, we are chewing snot, writing petitions, establishing red-blue-white and other lines that become invisible after being drawn
          1. +7
            27 June 2025 23: 36
            Quote: bsk_una
            This power still needs to be used correctly.

            What force? Wake up already! In my opinion, the SVO has dotted all the i's for 3,5 years. Of course, there are the Strategic Missile Forces, but this is a deterrent and cannot be used in a conventional war. There were 10 years before the SVO, when more than a trillion dollars were allocated for rearmament and modernization of the army in addition to the Ministry of Defense budget. This was more than enough to create a modern powerful Air Force, a group of SAR satellites, an analogue of Starlink, and then the SVO would have gone differently and no one would have touched the bases in Syria.
      2. +12
        27 June 2025 08: 07
        in Syria, the declared interests are support for the people of Syria))) this is for suckers)) interests not declared on the palm of your hand but I will not talk about them)) their interests just turned out to be more interesting and they pushed us aside
        1. +7
          27 June 2025 11: 22
          in Syria the declared interests are support of the people of Syria))) this is for suckers))
          They immediately declared that they were helping Syria so that they wouldn’t build a gas pipeline from Qatar to the Mediterranean Sea with cheap gas for Europe.
          1. 0
            28 June 2025 00: 02
            What, does the gas pipeline from Qatar only go through Syria??? Maybe you just need to look at the map of the Middle East???
            1. -1
              30 June 2025 09: 27
              Look. Do you take into account the terrain, the conditions on the route? Then take it into account.
              Not yet. But it will be. There will be an American (British) gas pipeline with Qatari gas. If the world slaughter does not begin earlier.
      3. +16
        27 June 2025 11: 20
        For a long time I was tormented by the question of why they were leaking everything. Or rather, I was not tormented, but surprised. After all, the Russian Federation is the base on which they live and make a profit, at the very least. Like in that joke: "Where is the reason, where is the logic?" And then I realized that the whole point is that they are not here, but there. The money is there, the kids are there. And their money and kids are under the complete control of the West. Accordingly, so are they themselves. They are simply told what to do and they do it contrary to the logic of state security and the rationality of its preservation for the sake of further profit. While they have the "nuclear button" in their hands, they are not taken into account much, but it seems to me that control is about to be lost. There are too many "songs" on the idiot box like "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise."
        1. +7
          27 June 2025 11: 43
          aaa you get it, soldier))) I keep thinking when it comes to the people, what if a hut in Austria, kids in Baden-Baden have a law firm, and a patriot is at the trough, how much patriotism and what kind of plan does a particular mandalay have)) laughing but this is purely an evaluative opinion of my sick, depraved fantasy inspired by Hollywood action movies
        2. +4
          27 June 2025 16: 05
          If everything were so, the SVO would not have started a priori. We would have rhetoric in such a case that it is not our business, we are friends with the West, Donbass is to blame itself, etc. No - of course there are some in power like that. Moreover - they are in almost every country. There are pro-Westerners even inside China. Flies from cutlets.
          1. +7
            27 June 2025 21: 58
            Quote: EpIvIaK
            If everything were like that, the SVO would not have started a priori.

            So it didn't start for 8 years. And it started because THEY were "cheated again", i.e. they sold them the misinformation that they were waiting for us, Russians, with flowers for NOW, but if we delayed the invasion, they would stop waiting. So the Kremlin took the bait, which is what the Westerners needed - Russia got involved in a grueling war with an unclear outcome.
    3. +4
      27 June 2025 08: 48
      Well, what are you saying, the fleet in the Mediterranean is needed by the admirals, it is very necessary so that no questions arise, and what are you gentlemen in high epaulets doing that is useful for the SVO. The admirals still dream of long campaigns and powerful ships (the question is for whom the hell). I understand that as an infantry I have no idea about the importance of the fleet for the country (I have a complete understanding that the admirals need the fleet). And such slimy thoughts come to mind - why the hell do we need so many naval commanders and other officials in Moscow? Who should they be paid for if it is not clear what fleet, what ships and why there is no answer, who the enemy is, silence. But the fact is that the marines need reinforcements, and all these gentlemen can easily be written off as marine units, air defense, missile units and other active units and subdivisions. It just seems that the pogrom in the Tsushima Strait has not let go of the navy.
      1. +5
        27 June 2025 11: 21
        Quote: saigon
        What are you talking about? The fleet in the Mediterranean Sea is needed by the admirals.

        Yeah, their fleet was at its limit... They were getting by with the Scarlet Sails...
        1. +1
          27 June 2025 11: 46
          There are some very nice lolitas there ))
  2. +35
    27 June 2025 03: 53
    We lost almost the entire Soviet fleet. We lost factories. We lost an entire country.
    We have lost a lot...And we continue to lose.
    1. +23
      27 June 2025 05: 54
      What is there to be surprised about? It is a fairly old postulate about the great inertia of processes. The processes of destruction of the Soviet Union that have begun continue. Yeltsin's cause lives on and triumphs. It was not he [alone] who started the processes, but he was their catalyst.
      He and many others did not understand then that the collapse will ALWAYS only get stronger on the way to the abyss. But freedom!!!!

      Even EBN at one time came to its senses and tried to slow things down. This was when Tatarstan started talking about full sovereignty and leaving the Russian Federation.
      Nevertheless, the processes of destruction are going on everywhere, wherever you look. Be it the production of [our] cars, the maintenance of historical museums, the education of youth in the spirit (and I wonder in what spirit?), the possibility of providing assistance to loyal regimes. And how many of them are left with our fallen capacities?
      Having lost your head, you don't cry for your hair.
      And here there is some kind of Mediterranean Sea, you know...
      1. +9
        27 June 2025 11: 22
        Quote: U-58
        Yeltsin's cause lives on and triumphs. He [alone] did not start the processes, but he was their catalyst.

        And his team is still moving and has prepared a replacement for themselves...
      2. +3
        27 June 2025 16: 53
        Quote: U-58
        And here there is some kind of Mediterranean Sea, you know...

        The funniest thing is that over the last 10 years they have built a pretty decent naval base in Tartus, an excellent Aerospace Forces base in Khmeimim, they were going to build a naval base in Sudan, and some other places... And at the same time, not to mention building new ships... the main bases of the Fleet do not have the conditions for normal basing of large ships of the aircraft carrier (Kuznetsov) and nuclear cruiser class. Now, if you want to transfer large ships of the fleet from the Northern Fleet to the Pacific Fleet (even just for the sake of safety and freer access to operational space)... no way - there are no conditions for basing them there. And you can't say that they "don't know how to build" naval bases, they do know how - they built them in Novorossiysk and Tartus practically from scratch. But... they don't want to.
        And in Sudan they want to. what
        And in Libya they are planning something...
        They've climbed into Africa up to their tomatoes... There's no order at home, they're "too lazy" to win the war (in reality, they don't want to), the economy... no matter how you stretch an owl onto a globe, everyone can see the prices and real disposable incomes...
        A cartoonish-looking kinglet from a pirate island plays a carrot flute... and the tower crews tuck their paws in and perform. The flute is magical.

        And some are still surprised that the two most powerful and largest ships of the Russian Navy, which have already undergone modernization, still have not been put into operation and have not returned to service...
        A pipe? Yes
        1. VlK
          +5
          27 June 2025 17: 13
          priority of private-corporate interests over state ones? But the profits have to be taken somewhere, and where, if everything is under the control of the hegemon, and there is devastation at home, which no one is in a hurry to eliminate? What is the long-term prospect of such a "management method"? Are they hoping for an amnesty of capital in exchange for something? Abramovich ended up flying with Chelsea, like plywood over London)
          1. +1
            27 June 2025 17: 28
            Abramovich (like all other oligarchs) was a wallet on the Rothschilds' trust. After leaving the Russian Federation and selling his assets, he became a communicator between the towers and the City of London. The Rothschilds owned the towers through Abramovich, as well as in many other similar ways. When they decided to change the responsible owner, Roma was simply told who to transfer it to.
            1. VlK
              +2
              27 June 2025 17: 41
              Well, is there independent Russian capital in nature? Which, in theory, should advance our national interests in the conditions of global competition, and generally build the Russia of the future?
              1. +6
                27 June 2025 18: 01
                There is no independent capital in the world at all. In principle.
                Sometimes there are (were) incidents with heirs, but they are dealt with in a timely manner.
                Well, just look at Durov - a successful businessman, has a lot of money, tried to show independence... and?
                At least this one did his own business and didn't receive a share of Soviet assets under a quota. Maybe you think the Rothschilds are independent? Well, they are bankers and asset managers for several dozen banking houses and royal families of Europe.
                And no one is going to build "Russia of the future". It's just talk.
                1. -3
                  27 June 2025 23: 54
                  What does Durov and some kind of independence have to do with it? The problem with Durov and his Telega, or the French complaint about Telega, is that, for example, in countries with a huge market like Indonesia, when the authorities demanded to close this and that, for example, anti-Islamic haram, erotic content, or in the Russian Federation some organizations harmful to the authorities, such as election fraud, he closed them, and in European countries, for example France, he ignored not only requests to close Islamist propaganda mouthpieces, or drug dealers' communications, but also refused specific demands from the prosecutor's office for access to information about both organized crime groups, terrorists, and pedophile networks. That is, he acted with double standards
                  1. +2
                    28 June 2025 00: 59
                    Quote: karabas-barabas
                    That is, he acted with double standards.

                    That is, he showed independence. And measures were taken.
                    Business in principle cannot be independent, it needs a roof to ensure security and to promote its expansion. This is usually either the state (its own or someone else's), or criminal communities, or supranational structures of "demiurges".
                    Thus, repeated attempts to take control of "domestic" oligarchs ended in nothing or a non-interference agreement. Because they were already under the control of a "higher authority".
                    1. -1
                      28 June 2025 03: 33
                      Meta, or WhatsApp, etc. are obliged to cooperate in cases where it comes to terrorism and crime. It is not about the authorities' desire to control Telegram, where Durov was quite accommodating, outside of Europe, namely about serious crimes, for which he refused to provide information, presenting his platform for the criminal world.
                      1. +1
                        28 June 2025 03: 51
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        presenting his platform to the criminal world.

                        This is nonsense and slander of the French bureaucracy. Europe has been at war with his country for 4 years, so refusing to cooperate with the enemy of one's state is a normal reaction and line of behavior. Or maybe Western companies are happy to fulfill any wishes of the Russian special services?
                        Durov really tried to maintain the complete independence of his company and the protection/confidentiality of users. In the Russian Federation, his desire was treated with understanding, but the French intelligence and jurisprudence showed simply exceptional rudeness on an international level.
                        Let's just imagine that the SVR or the FSB lure and kidnap Zuckerberg or Musk. And there will be something to do it for. They don't spy on their network users for the FSB either. bully then it's your fault.
                        Right, Barabas?
                      2. -3
                        28 June 2025 15: 58
                        As always, you are talking nonsense and nonsense. What other enemy of your state? Durov is a French citizen! Durov complied with the demands of the Russian authorities to close some channels, what other understanding? I outlined the essence of the claims against Durov above, you can reread it if you did not understand the first time and these are facts, unlike your chatter. Meta and other things are banned in the Russian Federation, so what demands can they fulfill? And when they were in the Russian Federation, they naturally complied if the matter concerned crimes, terrorism, child pornography, etc. Is the privacy of terrorists, pedophiles, drug and arms dealers so important to you? That is, the desire of the French to close the channels of propaganda of Islamism, pedophilia, to gain access to criminals is world-class rudeness? Well, apparently all these elements are close to you, since you are so worried about their privacy.
                      3. +2
                        28 June 2025 16: 29
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        What other enemy of his state? Durov has French citizenship!

                        I am talking about his homeland, not about one of his citizenships. Although I do not know his motives for refusing to cooperate with the French for sure. But the discussion was about something completely different, about the fact that business by definition cannot be independent. Remember as another example the story with Zuckerberg, when they were trying to get him to cooperate with the special services in Congress. After all, at first, like Durov, he wanted to avoid this. The discussion was about business in general, not about the special services. It's just that these two cases are the most illustrative, when two young businessmen, owners of social networks, wanted to show independence and they were explained the truth of life.
                2. VlK
                  0
                  30 June 2025 14: 42
                  Well, okay, then let it be dependent, but Russian, which should, logically, act in the interests of the Russian state? More precisely, probably the opposite - the state should act in the international and domestic arena in its interests, since we, having wandered around social projects, have returned to the world capitalist system? Or, most likely, influence each other mutually.
                  1. 0
                    30 June 2025 15: 02
                    An addict will never be Russian (or even more so Russian).
                    Besides, the demiurges don't need dependence at all now. They've already said what they want - "Give everything and die." Not even "or," but "And" (with a capital letter). For the slaves of the flute, it's also a matter of life and death now. Them and all their children, relatives, and hard-earned property. And they've already understood that. But they don't have the Will... Because - the Flute. Magical.
                    Quote: VlK
                    Having wandered around social projects, we have returned to the global capitalist system?

                    There is no place for "our" "knights" in this system. No one has recognized and will recognize them as equals or simply worthy of life and property. Our Bad Guys have already made a hundred attempts to become "one of their own - the bourgeois ones", they have surrendered and given everything that was demanded of them ... and now, like the Foolish Old Man and the Evil Old Woman, they sit at a broken trough ... having squandered and stolen EVERYTHING that the Golden Fish (Comrade Stalin) gave them and arranged. They howl, take offense, curse comrade Stalin (well, they can't curse the demiurges), they understand that only according to the precepts of the Golden Fish they had Happiness. And perhaps Happiness is only according to her - the Fish's, precepts. After all, while they lived according to her precepts, the demiurges only walked in silken cowardly circles, shook with fear and cursed the Golden Fish.
                    Now the Bad Guys are cursing the Golden Fish at the top of their lungs, rolling on the floor in hysterics... and the demiurges are just smiling slyly and sharpening their knives.
                    And the Bad Guys, to the trills of the carrot flute... are ready for EVERYTHING and agreeable. Because the Flute selected and raised them like that. The Flute is EVERYTHING for them.
                    1. VlK
                      0
                      30 June 2025 15: 43
                      An addict will never be Russian (or even more so Russian).

                      and why, actually, can't there be such a thing, if, let's say, its entire production base is in the Russian Federation, and it also receives credit here? And, accordingly, it doesn't withdraw profit? From some new middle-sized owners, for example, who developed their business independently, and not from those old privatizers? Something from the agro-sphere from the south, or some kind of trade and production holding of a non-universal scale? The bourgeois revolutions that created modern European states may have been made with the funds and under the management of large capital, but they expressed the interests of middle and small owners as a solid support and social base in society; without this mass support there would have been another palace coup with the replacement of dynasties
                      1. +1
                        30 June 2025 16: 02
                        Quote: VlK
                        An addict will never be Russian (or even more so Russian).

                        Dependent means - NON-SOVEREIGN. That is - a vassal. And a vassal always fulfills the will of the sovereign - his master. If this master is from outside (and this is entirely and completely true), and is also represented by the original and sworn Enemy of Russia, then ... his will will always be Evil, Unkind, Hostile. And the actions of the vassal on his local throne will always look "strange", words will always diverge from deeds, his patrimony will wither, the people will die out, the youth will become corrupted and brought up in the spirit of cosmopolitanism and betrayal. It simply cannot be otherwise in principle.
                        No, of course there are Heroes who challenge the bloodsucking puppeteers... but where can you find such a Che Guevara in our homeland? In the towers everything has been sterile for a long time and from the very beginning regarding Che Guevaras. There they are all plush.
                        Here is Trump - Che Guevara. But at home and for his own. So their people are armed to the last man. That is, Free People live there. Because a slave is deprived of the right to own a weapon.
                        And the plush ones don't really need the electorate. Because their power doesn't come from it, but from the counting commission and an external authority. Therefore, there is no responsibility. In principle. And this principle is the cornerstone of the universe of plush vassals.
                      2. VlK
                        0
                        30 June 2025 19: 00
                        And you don’t consider sovereign Russian capital in principle, even in the long term?
                      3. +1
                        30 June 2025 19: 52
                        Quote: VlK
                        And you don’t consider sovereign Russian capital in principle, even in the long term?

                        what Well... there were attempts. And some were even not unsuccessful... but feudal capitalism is such a poisonous thing... it corrupts... it decomposes... especially over such a period, when the second generation will soon be replaced... The question is in the vector of application. In goals and objectives. So far, everyone wanted to "fit in", but for Sovereignty, here you need tungsten genitals... and the vector is correct...
                        And the vector "as under Nicholas II"... request wrong vector... Completely wrong.
                        And without having a vector of movement... it’s all “Brownian vanity” and a guarantee of defeat.
                        They tried to compose a vector (ideology) ... but their wishes and conditions were too ... wrong ... non-working. That is why there are such "successes" on all fronts. I suggested ... it seems they even heard ... it seems some actions even took place ... Let's see what happens. But for a new wine (ideology, vector, program) new bellows are needed. The old ones are completely rotten ... ineffective. And time is running out. Time is running out.
                        Nikola-2 didn’t understand this in principle, didn’t want it and didn’t try to want it.
                        Probably even in the basement of the Ipatiev house everything was fluttering in pink clouds...
  3. +35
    27 June 2025 04: 00
    In order to dream and talk about expansion, it is necessary, at a minimum, to have population growth and an attractive standard of living. For now, Russia can only dream about this. So why take citizens abroad and build some bases in some countries if these same citizens are necessary for the country to grow its population?
    1. -13
      27 June 2025 05: 14
      Population growth does not depend on the standard of living. We have 15 million migrants, and the population is dying out, the same in Europe.
      1. +15
        27 June 2025 06: 17
        Quote: Mars
        Population growth does not depend on the standard of living.

        Population growth depends on lifestyle. And lifestyle depends on the level, among other things. In any case, if the demographics in some country are declining, then something is wrong. And this needs to be changed.
        1. 0
          27 June 2025 06: 20
          In Afghanistan, people give birth to 5 children, apparently everything is wonderful there.
          1. +7
            27 June 2025 06: 26
            Quote: Mars
            In Afghanistan, people give birth to 5 children, apparently everything is wonderful there.

            Are you now trying to claim that birth rate is possible only in disadvantaged countries? I don't understand you, what do you want to convey.
            1. -23
              27 June 2025 06: 29
              Basically, that's right, if your survival in old age depends on your children, and not on the state, then you'll try to have a lot of children. If you cancel pensions, people will start having more children than from maternity capital, but no politician will do that.
              1. +17
                27 June 2025 06: 39
                Quote: Mars
                your survival in old age

                Young people never think about old age and do not focus on it. They have a feeling that it will never come!
                1. +4
                  27 June 2025 11: 33
                  Just read about what the demographic transition is.
              2. +3
                27 June 2025 14: 54
                Quote: Mars
                If pensions are cancelled

                Then older people will die faster. And that's it!
                1. -12
                  27 June 2025 16: 31
                  These are the ones who didn't take care to have many children.
                  1. +1
                    27 June 2025 21: 49
                    How many children do you personally have?
                    1. 0
                      27 June 2025 23: 52
                      Three.
                      Comment short
            2. +7
              27 June 2025 07: 20
              Quote: Stas157
              Quote: Mars
              In Afghanistan, people give birth to 5 children, apparently everything is wonderful there.

              Are you now trying to claim that birth rate is possible only in disadvantaged countries? I don't understand you, what do you want to convey.

              This is not an attempt - but a statement of fact: a large population growth is only where it is a factor of family survival. Where "God gave - God took" (c) 1-2-3 children - this is routine.
              And where children cease to be a factor of survival, but become elements of luxury - there will be no more than 2 children in large numbers in principle
              1. +6
                27 June 2025 15: 20
                Well, why have children become a luxury item? Maybe there's something wrong with global capitalism? They constantly add on school and university years, they won't take you without a diploma, although they teach you almost nothing useful anywhere, and most people shuffle papers at work. Buying a home is very expensive, whereas before, village men would get together and build a new hut for newlyweds in a day. Maybe it's because even with a low birth rate, young people have a fair amount of unemployment, and if there are a lot of unemployed young people, then the old men from the government will be kicked out?
                1. -2
                  27 June 2025 15: 50
                  Quote from alexoff
                  Well, why have children become a luxury item? Maybe there's something wrong with global capitalism?

                  You misunderstood me a little - ""Element of luxury" - it was meant that "I want - I'm starting it, I do not want- I don’t bring it up” and not the situation in Africa “Ngule into prostitution, Pepe into pirates, Kalamba into the army, and Miguel will be eaten in hunger!!” (c).
                  That is, there is no urgent need for children.- without them it’s even easier and calmer.
                  Urbanization.
                  And no free housing or benefits will help.

                  There are ways to dramatically increase the birth rate, but they are extremely unpopular due to their cruelty.
                  For example, increase the tax for childlessness from 80% to 3%, cut it to 5% for 15 children, and for 10 children, zero out all taxes and pay an extra 300 thousand a month to the mother.
                  If they don't destroy power in the first year, there will be strong growth.
                  Naturally, those who can hide their income will not give birth - but here a control factor will arise - 1 child and you drive a car - welcome to the income concealment check.
                  Naturally, this is not our method due to the mass birth rate among complete marginalized people and other migrants.
                  1. +5
                    27 June 2025 18: 31
                    That is, there is no urgent need for children - without them it is even simpler and calmer.
                    so there was never a direct need for them today, they were created by instincts, and not with long-term calculation. Because for hundreds of millions of years, individuals who did not want to reproduce did not leave offspring. And now, according to surveys, more people want children than actually give birth to them
                    And no free housing or benefits will help.
                    no, with free housing and benefits some will start to reproduce laughing
                    There are ways to dramatically increase the birth rate, but they are extremely unpopular due to their cruelty.
                    There are other ways. For example, single-story buildings, cheap cars, good roads. People living in their own house suddenly have more children. Because the area is usually twice as big. And the magical defeminization of society - if a man decides, then there will be more children - after all, it is not us who give birth! And religious families usually give birth much more. Actually, because of the patriarchal tradition. Of course, not everyone will have ten children, but pouring into the ears about equality, consumption and unaffordable housing will certainly drive the birth rate down.
                    1. 0
                      28 June 2025 10: 04
                      Quote from alexoff
                      For example, single-storey buildings,

                      Every morning, go to the bridge with adjacent roads at 08:00 - impossible. Everyone is taking their children to kindergarten, to school, to work, at 08:10 - 2-3 cars per minute.
                      19 (200) passenger cars for 2023-15 residents.
                      Your favorite single-story building. Building a second bridge or widening this one is impractical, the load is only half an hour a day at peak.

                      Do people need work?
                      100 workers on 5 acres of land - that's suddenly 5 hectares, 1000 - 50 hectares.
                      And it's not just the growth of the city's area - it's elongation roads.
                      Considering that people who previously received housing will retire or quit, the next ones will receive housing in the peninsula. And it turns out that human anthill half an hour from work more convenient - than home is 2 hours away (due to traffic jams).

                      Quote from alexoff
                      People living in their own home are suddenly having more children

                      Long gone. I have lived in a private house all my life, with the exception of 5 years in Moscow.

                      Quote from alexoff
                      religious families

                      There are very few of them. Faith in the Tsar, God, Stalin, communism - have long been destroyed en masse.

                      Quote from alexoff
                      Another magical defeminization of society

                      And this won't work anymore. We missed the moment - and now even here we have harassment and so-called "rape in the family" in the courts.
                      1. 0
                        28 June 2025 20: 50
                        Quote: your1970
                        Every morning it is impossible to get onto the bridge from the adjacent roads at 08:00. Everyone is taking their children to kindergarten, school, work, at 08:10 - 2-3 cars per minute.

                        this is what is called - savings of those who are higher - 90% of jobs in one place, people live in distant sleeping districts. Two hours to work, two hours from work. And both from a private house and from an apartment 15 km from the Moscow Ring Road.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Considering that people who previously received housing will retire or quit - the next ones will receive housing in the peninsulas. And it turns out that a human anthill half an hour from work is more convenient - than a house 2 hours away (due to traffic jams).

                        Yes, that's why they built a monstrous Tetris in Krasnogorsk with 19-square-meter apartments. What would you choose to sacrifice - living space or time? Modern capitalism sucks all the juices out of a person.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Long gone. I have lived in a private house all my life, with the exception of 5 years in Moscow.

                        and what, do they have more children in human anthills? The inexorable statistics say that in her own house a woman will usually give birth to 2+ children, and in an apartment 1+ children. But the private sector of the Moscow region is in fact a ghetto, where they can't even ensure normal garbage removal, only collecting money for formal garbage removal, deliveries don't really work, and the cost of maintaining a house is rapidly rising.
                        Quote: your1970
                        There are very few of them. Faith in the Tsar, God, Stalin, communism - have long been destroyed en masse.

                        There are more families with many children now than there were in the late USSR, but yes, there are not many of them. My grandfather had four children, his son had only two, but my cousin already has six. By the way, children already became a luxury in the USSR, suddenly putting shoes on two growing children before the next winter means giving away the salary of one parent. Thanks to this, the collapse of the USSR did not hit my family's savings hard - we did not have time to save money, none of the Zhiguli cars of those working in Moscow burned up, we remained poor as before wassat
                        Quote: your1970
                        And this won't work anymore. We missed the moment - and now even here we have harassment and so-called "rape in the family" in the courts.

                        the courts are dependent, they will say - no harassment - and there will be no courts
                      2. -1
                        28 June 2025 23: 12
                        Quote from alexoff
                        this is what is called - savings of those who are higher - 90% of jobs in one place, people live in distant sleeping districts. Two hours to work, two hours from work. And both from a private house and from an apartment 15 km from the Moscow Ring Road.

                        Pile on the Moscow Ring Road - I'm not interested in it.
                        Even in Soviet times, “an hour to work by metro is close by” was the norm.
                        Moscow is a separate state and its example is absolutely not indicative for the rest of the country...

                        I'm more interested in what you think is technically possible to create such a mountain of problems with the private sector in one enterprise with, say, 1 employees - that it makes your hair stand on end.
                        It is clear that the private sector will not create any socialism/capitalism - otherwise, every city with a factory will be like Moscow in area.

                        Quote from alexoff
                        Home maintenance costs are rapidly rising.

                        What do you know about home maintenance? belay belay belay
                        I kiss you so much thousand do you pay monthly???
                        Yes, I would easily pay 5 a month - if only someone Free I repaired the fence, changed the roof on the house, swept the yard, argued with the Water Utility about the main pipeline having rotted to dust and according to the plan they will replace it... they won't in the next 5 years.
                        Well, the grass in the yard and near the yard, you could kill yourself on it...
                      3. 0
                        30 June 2025 12: 51
                        I'm more interested in what you think is technically possible to create such a mountain of problems with the private sector in one enterprise with, say, 1 employees - that it makes your hair stand on end.
                        I wonder how one-story America came to be? And there are a lot of cities where half is private sector, like Astrakhan.
                        What do you know about home maintenance belay belay belay
                        You pay a whole thousand a month???
                        Yes, I would easily pay 5 a month - just so that someone would repair the fence for FREE, change the roof on the house
                        building materials are becoming more expensive so fast, as are the workers who charge the same amount. Insulation, for example, has become four times more expensive in 5 years, unlike my labor request
                      4. -1
                        30 June 2025 13: 04
                        Quote from alexoff
                        I wonder how one-story America came to be?

                        1) To put it mildly - mass automobiles appeared there 100 years earlier than in Russia. That is, everything that we began to eat en masse in the 21st century (traffic jams, smog, unsuitability of streets for driving, etc.) - they went through at the beginning of the 20th. This allowed them to learn to live with it.
                        2) in the Russian Federation almost 90% of the population have their own housing - this is what makes us fundamentally different from America. That is why we are not very mobile - our housing holds us back in this city. Renting housing is expensive here, and buying it in a new place is not always possible


                        You are proposing to make the problem worse - to give a house to a person for free forever in the private sector near a city that is NOT suitable for mass motorization.
                        A trivial example is Engels and Saratov. One was built under the tsar and there is a crazy mess of streets in most of the city, the second was built in the 20th century according to the General Plan with wide streets and straight runs.
                        And you propose to attach to Saratov another Saratov of the same size in the private sector....
                      5. +1
                        30 June 2025 19: 03
                        To put it mildly, mass-produced cars appeared there 100 years earlier than in Russia.
                        which doesn't speak in our favor! Well, it seems we're not going to adapt either.
                        That's why we are not very mobile - our housing holds us back in this city.
                        we are limited mobility because we are easily cheated with work, on commuter trains, good people always help, we came from the village for a shift, they didn't pay us! And then in their own city they reluctantly change jobs, let alone go to another! stop
                        And it's easy to swap your home now. Rent out an apartment in one place and rent one in another. That's how I live, for example.
                        You are proposing to make the problem worse - to give a house to a person for free forever in the private sector near a city that is NOT suitable for mass motorization.
                        I don't propose anything like that, besides, there are usually a lot of summer cottages outside the city. A good solution would be to create a state corporation for housing construction, where houses would be built from concrete, reinforcement and the same Uzbeks and sold to local youth at cost with conditions. From this, the overfed developers would either go bankrupt or moderate their appetites. Well, and the limit on the area of ​​apartments below - it is forbidden to build less than 60 meters.
                        Statistics are relentless - where we used to have a normal birth rate, but housing became unaffordable, the birth rate fell by almost half. For example, in the Altai Republic. Because Gref request
                      6. -1
                        30 June 2025 19: 35
                        Quote from alexoff
                        which doesn't speak in our favor! Well, it seems we're not going to adapt either.

                        Mmm... Are you suggesting to gallop 130 years in 20??!!!!
                        But ...
                        Quote from alexoff
                        we are not very mobile because we are easily cheated with work,

                        You are behind the times - it is too hard to hold on to skilled workers or even just workers. And the top-sellers have long been known to everyone - the Internet is the Internet.
                        A peer of my son worked a little on a shift, decided to get a job in the police, got a job, a week later a friend from the police department called me - go to him, let him come belay He went - and I said I stopped going to work - I found a good job. My eyes bulged - like I need to write a statement, quit, sign a bypass, that's it! He said to me - why? I have the documents, let them keep the rest, they'll transfer the payment to the card.
                        That is, he turned around and left...
                        Throw this, yeah, yeah...
                        All young people are like that, we are doing it according to old customs - it would be a sin not to cheat us...

                        Quote from alexoff
                        Besides, there are usually a lot of summer cottage villages outside the city.

                        Most of these are summer houses and not permanent residences.
                        Quote from alexoff
                        were sold to local youth at cost price with conditions.
                        - the cheapest materials - automatically, a global repair because of this in 5-7 years.
                        Even from good materials - 10-15 years and the house will start sucking money. Already endless...


                        Quote from alexoff
                        Rent out an apartment in one place and rent in another. That's how I live, for example.

                        A relative rented it out for 16 years. Then one day he moved in and they had even removed the sockets and laminate flooring and taken away the door. belay He has been collecting according to the court decision for four years now - he has already collected almost 100 belay

                        Quote from alexoff
                        Statistics are relentless - where we used to have a normal birth rate, but housing became unaffordable, the birth rate fell almost by half. For example, in the Altai Republic.
                        It's not about housing. In the RSFSR there was free housing - but by the end of 1980 the heroine's mothers were exclusively gypsies. And in Russian families - 3 was already a rarity and then in villages, in cities 2 was the ceiling
                      7. +1
                        1 July 2025 02: 07
                        Quote: your1970
                        Are you suggesting to gallop a distance of 130 years in 20??!!!!

                        One-story America was built in about forty to fifty years, what has changed so much there in the last 60 years, except for the rise in prices?
                        Quote: your1970
                        You are behind the times - you are already holding on too tightly to qualified and even just workers.

                        Well, are there many of those who are being held on to? My bosses were holding on to me, gnashing their teeth, and the rest were being kicked out, including my subordinates, despite the fact that the crisis hit us much earlier than the rest of the economy - we are ahead of the rest of the planet wassat
                        Quote: your1970
                        And the people who use the most are well known to everyone - the Internet is the Internet.

                        There is no particular list of bosses. If you get to one, it's fine, but if you get to another, you'll run away yourself.
                        Quote: your1970
                        All young people are like that, we are doing it according to old customs - it would be a sin not to cheat us...

                        so the youth hangs out here and there. But they are also being screwed, even though they complain on the Internet at the slightest thing
                        Quote: your1970
                        Most of these are summer houses and not permanent residences.

                        In the surrounding area I would say that some permanent housing looks like a barn, and some summer houses look like mansions winked
                        Quote: your1970
                        - the cheapest materials - automatically, a global repair because of this in 5-7 years.

                        and now how are they building? Exactly the same botched job. I would say that houses fall apart right at the moment of completion, with breakdowns of everything that can break, within 5 years they change and then the house more or less lives.
                        Quote: your1970
                        A relative rented it out for 16 years. Then one day he moved in and they had even removed the sockets and laminate flooring and taken away the door.

                        They can do this without any change at all as a result of a break-in, in our village in the early 2000s they cleaned out a house - they even unscrewed the faucets! In general, there are all sorts of options now, like send me photos of the house.
                        Quote: your1970
                        In the RSFSR there was free housing, but by the end of 1980 the heroine’s mothers were exclusively gypsies.

                        of course, you can't make all mothers heroines (although in "World War Z" after the zombie apocalypse all healthy women of the new Holy Russian Empire were sent to special homes for constant childbirth from the best men fellow ), but the dramatic drop in the birth rate now is the result of wild economic policy. To end up at the bottom of the ratings near Japan and South Korea - you have to try. And having 2.1 children per family is quite realistic without extreme twists. In Saransk, they used to forgive a mortgage for a fourth child, as far as I remember, and they had a positive increase without gypsies
                      8. -1
                        1 July 2025 07: 42
                        Quote from alexoff
                        To end up at the bottom of the rankings next to Japan and South Korea, you have to try hard.

                        Do they live poorly too?

                        Quote from alexoff
                        I would say that houses fall apart right at the moment of completion, with breakdowns of everything that can break, they change it within 5 years and then the house more or less lives

                        This is a multi-storey building - where for your penny Uncle runs and repairs. There are methods of fighting the management company, there is the Housing Inspectorate, the prosecutor's office, the media

                        In the private sector - amount of expenses grows many times and you are individual
                        - no one and no name. And no one cares that 98 is needed for the material for the roof of a 240 sq.m. house - without work!!! And there is still a garage and a bathhouse ahead.
                        Will young people have children if they need a fence for 1.5 rubles per meter for work (!!!) 100 meters long?
                        And for them it's trendy to also relax...

                        Quote from alexoff
                        the dramatic fall in birth rates now is the result of wild economic policies
                        politics in the USSR was not completely wild, however, in the cities and then there were no crowds of children in families. On the other hand, in Africa there is the wildest wildness in politics and economics (I have bills of 1 billion and 100 million dollars - Zimbabwean lol ) - but children fall out of them as they go....

                        It's all about urbanization, feminization, the lack of need for children as a means of survival and the complete lack of free time.
                      9. +1
                        1 July 2025 19: 54
                        Do they live poorly too?
                        disgusting, the student ran off to Korea and complains about how fun life is there, that graduates can't find work, and they have to pay off their student debts somehow. And a ton of perks like no sick leave, which counts towards their vacation pay, so no one takes them and they go to work to infect their colleagues. By the way, in Japan the inheritance tax is 40% so that young people can't even move into their dead grandmother's apartment normally
                        In the private sector, the size of the costs increases many times over and you are an individual
                        - No, there is no one and there is no name.
                        on the other hand, if you have an apartment similar in size to a house, then housing and communal services will start to gnaw at your budget quite a bit.
                        Will young people have children if they need a fence for 1.5 rubles per meter for work (!!!) 100 meters long?
                        My neighbors say yes - they will! The serpyanka mesh has been standing for many years, even lying around somewhere. And the normal fence is only the facade one winked
                        Politics in the USSR was not entirely wild, however, in the cities there were no crowds of children in families even then.
                        In the USSR they formed a consumer society with a picture of a normal standard of living, but they couldn't provide this standard, because it was hard to get goodies. Like nice boots for your daughter, so that she would look normal in class. And all that stuff.
                      10. -1
                        1 July 2025 21: 18
                        Quote from alexoff
                        disgusting, a student ran off to Korea and complains about how fun life is there, that graduates can't find work, and they have to pay off their student debts somehow. And a wagon of perks like no sick leave, which counts towards their vacation pay, so no one takes them and they go to work to infect their colleagues

                        We have many Koreans who have left for South Korea to work. And they continue to leave.
                        Many don't even know the basics of Korean, but they go. And they earn quite a bit.
                        Quote from alexoff
                        The serpyanka mesh has been standing for many years, and is even lying around somewhere.
                        cottages lol
                        The first cow that comes to you will make you build a normal fence....
                      11. +1
                        1 July 2025 06: 20
                        Everyone is taking their children to kindergarten, to school,

                        This has a solution. School and kindergarten buses. For older schoolchildren and students, even normal public transport, instead of the wild minibuses of the apocalypse.
                        The bad thing about modern development is that street avenues are combined with human anthills, resulting in respectable cyberpunk slums.
                      12. -1
                        1 July 2025 07: 44
                        Quote: ycuce234-san
                        School and kindergarten buses. For older schoolchildren and students there is also normal public transport

                        laughing Only "kids" and parents manage to take them to college
            3. +5
              27 June 2025 08: 10
              Quote: Stas157
              Are you now trying to claim that fertility is only possible in disadvantaged countries?

              Unfortunately, under capitalism this is true. You were right - there are many children only where they are a factor of survival, or in religious countries. But if my memory serves me right, in all developed countries the number of children per woman is less than the reproduction level, except for Israel - but even there it is due to Orthodox Jews, and in secular families there are not many children.
              1. -4
                27 June 2025 08: 58
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                You were told correctly - there are many children only where they are - survival factor, or in religious countries.

                What about Israel, the USA, New Zealand, Australia, France, Ireland, Saudi Arabia... Are they all on the brink of survival there?
                1. +7
                  27 June 2025 09: 28
                  Quote: Stas157
                  And what about: Israel

                  Described separately. Make it a rule to read the comment to the end:))))
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  except for Israel - but even there it is at the expense of Orthodox Jews, and in secular families there are not many children

                  Furthermore, in order for the population to simply reproduce, approximately 2,1 children per woman are required (two replace the father and mother, 0,1 are those who do not live to childbearing age, are physically unable to have children, etc.). The coefficient is averaged, of course, in each country it is different.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  USA

                  1,64
                  Quote: Stas157
                  New Zealand

                  1,61
                  Quote: Stas157
                  France

                  1,83
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Ireland

                  1,63
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Saudi Arabia

                  Well, in Saudi Arabia, yes, it is 2,47. But it can hardly be called developed, but religious - quite
                  1. -4
                    27 June 2025 09: 41
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    at the expense of Orthodox Jews, and in secular families there are not many children

                    Of course not. If there were no Orthodox Jews (their share is not very large!), then the birth rate in Israel would still be fine. High birth rate among secular Jews and Arabs in Israel:

                    Secular Jews: SCR ~2.1–2.4

                    Arab Muslims: TFR ~3.0

                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Well, in Saudi Arabia, yes, it is 2,47. But it can hardly be called developed

                    And what about rich and successful? Socialites there also live and give birth quite normally.
                    1. 0
                      27 June 2025 09: 57
                      You are probably interested in the reasons for this phenomenon in Israel?

                      The reasons:

                      Cultural traditions (family is a central value even among secular Israelis).

                      State support (maternity leave, child benefits, free medical care for pregnant women).

                      Military-political factor (“demographic race” with the Palestinians).

                      State policy

                      Financial assistance:

                      Child benefit: ~150–400 shekels ($40–110) per month (depending on birth order).

                      Free kindergartens from 3 years old.

                      Medical support:

                      IVF and infertility treatment are partially covered by insurance.

                      Childbirth is free for all citizens.

                      Social norms.

                      What I am getting at is that the material component is also a serious reason for this birth rate phenomenon. This knocks out the postulate that poverty equals (high) birth rate.
                      1. +2
                        27 June 2025 10: 52
                        Quote: Stas157
                        You are probably interested in the reasons for this phenomenon in Israel?

                        I explained it in another comment.
                    2. -3
                      27 June 2025 10: 39
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      at the expense of Orthodox Jews, and in secular families there are not many children

                      Of course not. If there were no Orthodox Jews (their share is not very large!), then the birth rate in Israel would still be fine. High birth rate among secular Jews and Arabs in Israel:

                      Secular Jews: SCR ~2.1–2.4

                      Arab Muslims: TFR ~3.0

                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Well, in Saudi Arabia, yes, it is 2,47. But it can hardly be called developed

                      And what about rich and successful? Socialites there also live and give birth quite normally.

                      What Soviet people? If you mean women who married Arabs, then no one really asks them.
                    3. +4
                      27 June 2025 10: 52
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Of course not.

                      Of course
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Secular Jews: SCR ~2.1–2.4

                      You are wrong. Jews can be divided into 3 groups based on religion: secular, conservative and ultra-conservative. So, your 2,1-2,4 came out because you merged secular and conservative Jews into one group. But in general, the TFR in 2021 was like this
                      Secular Jews - 1,68
                      Conservative Jews - 2,67
                      Ultraconservatives - 5,33
                      Quote: Stas157
                      And what about rich and successful? Socialites there also live and give birth quite normally.

                      I don’t think so:) The situation there is more likely like in Israel.
                      1. 0
                        27 June 2025 11: 24
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        So, your 2,1-2,4 turned out because You merged into one group secular and conservative Jews.

                        Most likely, you didn't take this into account. You yourself wrote only about Orthodox Jews (of whom there are 10-13%):
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        except for Israel - but even there it is at the expense of Orthodox Jews, and in secular families there are not many children

                        And now you are trying to figure out the degree of religiosity of the rest. You don't need to make Israel a completely religious and blinkered country. It is not so.
                      2. +2
                        27 June 2025 11: 29
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Most likely, you didn't take it into account.

                        No. I was writing specifically about secular families. And conservative Jews - well, they are not secular at all.
                        Quote: Stas157
                        And now you are trying to figure out the degree of religiosity of others.

                        I'm not trying. I'm telling you a fact - in secular Jewish families the TFR = 1,68. With all those perks you described - they apply to everyone, secular, conservative and orthodox. But only religious people give birth to over 2,1.
                      3. 0
                        27 June 2025 11: 41
                        If you consider not only ultra-Orthodox Jews, but also all moderate and conservative Jews to be religious, then Russia by your standards is not a secular state at all, but a completely religious one! In our country, the overwhelming majority (79%) of Russians consider themselves believers, who are simply obliged to give birth to a huge number of children, judging by your logic. But for some reason this does not happen. And quite the opposite happens. It seems that somewhere your impeccable logic has undoubtedly failed.
                      4. +2
                        27 June 2025 11: 53
                        Quote: Stas157
                        If you consider not only ultra-Orthodox Jews, but also all moderate and conservative Jews to be religious

                        I do not include all "moderate and conservative", but only conservative. And yes, I understand, it is not easy for you to say goodbye to your point of view. But there are 2 facts
                        1. Israel is one state, that is, the population there receives financial support +- equally (I don’t remember what’s going on with the ultra-conservatives, but the conservatives have no advantages over the seculars)
                        2. The higher the level of church attendance of Jews, the higher their TFR, and among secular Jews it is much lower - 2,1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Russia by your standards is not a secular state at all, but a completely religious one! In our country, the overwhelming majority (79%) of Russians consider themselves believers

                        Sorry, but the churching of Jews is determined not by where they consider themselves, but by whether they follow church laws and customs. And they are quite strict in Judaism. At the same time, the overwhelming majority of Russians who identify themselves as believers do not follow the laws and traditions of Orthodoxy at all and do not go to church every Saturday, let alone every year. In general, the bulk of believers in the Russian Federation correspond to secular Jews
                      5. -3
                        27 June 2025 12: 15
                        Russian believers - are they different? Well, I won't argue. I'm not an expert on the piety and gradation of Russian and Jewish believers.
                      6. +2
                        27 June 2025 12: 30
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Are Russian believers different?

                        This is about the same as secular Jews. You probably didn't know, but 80% of secular Jews in Israel believe in God. In the Russian Federation, by the way, the number of believers according to surveys is about 75%.
                        so the Russian Federation, in essence, is churched somewhere within the boundaries of secular Jews
            4. +1
              27 June 2025 16: 34
              Quote: Stas157
              Are you now trying to claim that fertility is only possible in disadvantaged countries?

              That's right. Or simply in underdeveloped countries. All developed countries almost immediately face the problem of demography.
            5. -1
              28 June 2025 00: 05
              Quote: Stas157
              Are you now trying to claim that fertility is only possible in disadvantaged countries?

              Exactly as the person below explained. (who for some reason got minuses for this?) In China, for example, it is still like this, since hundreds of millions have no pension. The only hope is for a son who will go to the city and get a job at a factory and help. But in China, the one-child policy led to major demographic problems, since girls were not particularly useful for providing for old age, they were gotten rid of, with certain consequences. Birth rate is important for those countries that have social systems, such as pensions, and these are mainly countries with a high standard of living. In such countries, the working part of the population finances pensions and when the number of pensioners begins to grow and the number of workers and employees decreases, the retirement age has to be raised. or something else to invent. But since these are usually post-industrial countries, education is important in them, which prevents women from having children, because there is study, after study, career, internship, etc., and when a woman is ready, she is over 40 and more than 1-2 she can no longer and does not want to.
        2. +3
          27 June 2025 07: 13
          Quote: Stas157
          In any case, if a country's demographics are declining, then something is wrong there. And that needs to be changed.

          In Switzerland, too, everything is sad with children. And in England. And in Scandinavia. And in Europe in general.
          And in Afghanistan 21% of the budget goes to medicine and 6 children - that's how you should live: calmly, stably and happily!!!
          Like in Afghanistan, right?
          1. 0
            27 June 2025 07: 31
            Quote: your1970
            And in Afghanistan 21% of the budget goes to medicine and 6 children

            Is that bad? Afghanistan is great in this regard. And apparently even they have something to learn from.

            Quote: your1970
            This is how you should live: calmly, stably and happily!!!
            Like in Afghanistan, right?

            We don't need to do things like in Afghanistan. We have our own way. But we need to increase spending on medicine and social services. If we are a social state!
            1. 0
              27 June 2025 07: 56
              Quote: Stas157
              Is that bad? Afghanistan is great in this regard. And apparently even they have something to learn from.

              Why study - it's enough to cut off gas, electricity and water to the population. And in 3 years we will have 3 children, and in 10 years five - someone has to carry water from the river and look for firewood...

              Afghanistan, then Tuvalu, then some other asshole of the world - the top three in terms of the amount of budgetary allocations for medicine.
              Doesn't this bother you - 21% in Afghanistan and 5.6% in China. According to your logic, China spends 4 times less on medicine? Or is it still - because of the size of the budget!!! - that 5.6% is enough??
              1. +1
                27 June 2025 09: 15
                Quote: your1970
                5.6% is enough up to the ears

                Yes, that's what's missing. And the Chinese themselves write about it. It's more their problem than their advantage, as you're trying to present it to us here.

                Problems with such a system

                Inequality: the rich get the best treatment, the poor get minimal care.

                Overcrowding of public hospitals (queues, shortage of doctors).

                Corruption (bribes for a place in a good hospital).

                Yet:
                China saves on medicine due to:
                ✔ low salaries of doctors,
                ✔ mixed financing (insurance + surcharge),
                ✔ mass prevention,
                ✔ strict price control.

                But the system is not as social as in Europe, and not as expensive as in the US. The result is affordable, but not always high-quality, medicine for the majority.

                China admits that their medicine is not so great. And it must be admitted that budget expenditures on it are increasing, unlike ours.
                1. -1
                  27 June 2025 10: 24
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Quote: your1970
                  5.6% is enough up to the ears

                  Yes, that's what's missing. And the Chinese themselves write about it. It's more their problem than their advantage, as you're trying to present it to us here.

                  Problems with such a system

                  Inequality: the rich get the best treatment, the poor get minimal care.

                  Overcrowding of public hospitals (queues, shortage of doctors).

                  Corruption (bribes for a place in a good hospital).

                  Yet:
                  China saves on medicine due to:
                  ✔ low salaries of doctors,
                  ✔ mixed financing (insurance + surcharge),
                  ✔ mass prevention,
                  ✔ strict price control.

                  But the system is not as social as in Europe, and not as expensive as in the US. The result is affordable, but not always high-quality, medicine for the majority.

                  China admits that their medicine is not so great. And it must be admitted that budget expenditures on it are increasing, unlike ours.

                  And now I remind you that China is a kind of "communist" country.
                  Their brand is like this...
                  And everything you named clearly confirms that this is populist nonsense.
                  And in China normal state capitalism - just like ours.
          2. +1
            27 June 2025 18: 09
            Quote: your1970
            And in Afghanistan 21% of the budget goes to medicine and 6 children

            And what about the highly developed medicine there in Afghanistan? belay
            According to a report published by the World Health Organization (WHO), Afghanistan is registering 24 maternal and 167 child deaths every day due to malnutrition or lack of health care. The crisis is being exacerbated by outbreaks of infections, severe drought and natural disasters such as floods and earthquakes, the report says. The health sector is struggling to meet the growing demand for services,” the WHO report says.
            However, severe underfunding for 2023 has led to the closure of 428 fixed and mobile health facilities, affecting more than 3 million people, including more than 600 children under five and more than 240 pregnant and lactating women.
            1. -1
              28 June 2025 07: 04
              Quote: Askold65
              And what about the highly developed medicine there in Afghanistan?

              Quote: Askold65
              The health sector is struggling to meet the growing demand for services," the WHO report said.

              This is exactly what I wrote to my opponent - first place in the world in terms of medical expenditures in Afghanistan does not mean at all that the medicine there is a masterpiece.
        3. -2
          27 June 2025 08: 56
          Why is the population growing in the regions of the North Caucasus despite the low standard of living?
          1. +4
            27 June 2025 09: 00
            Quote: dimon642
            Why is the population growing in the regions of the North Caucasus despite the low standard of living?

            Because they mostly live in their own houses. And their families are strong. They say so themselves. People are not born in human anthills!
        4. +2
          27 June 2025 09: 00
          You can move towards the “point of satisfaction”, when the family’s income more or less corresponds to its wants, from two different directions :(
        5. +1
          27 June 2025 17: 16
          During the reign of Nicholas II, whom the revolutionaries nicknamed "bloody", the population of Russia grew by 20 (!!!) million! There was also an increase in the totalitarian USSR.
          Why is it that now, after gaining freedom, our population is steadily declining???!!!
      2. +4
        27 June 2025 08: 34
        Depends. Here are some statistics that appeared
        And here is the text from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation
        [Forwarded from Yuri Afonin]
        [ Photo ]
        Wealthy families have three times more children than poor families.

        ‼️ Therefore, the only real way to stop Russia’s extinction is to provide families with housing, a normal income and social support.

        Tell me, how many times have you heard the story that material incentives are not able to increase the birth rate? Probably hundreds of times.

        At first, this tale was told for many years by Russian liberals. This is understandable: their representatives in power – the Gaidars-Chubaises and their successors – did nothing to support childbirth in the country. It was necessary to somehow justify this cannibalistic policy.

        Now the same fairy tale is being told by right-wing "patriots". Allegedly, no benefits or allowances will help. And in order to restore the birth rate, it is necessary to evict city dwellers to the village, limit women's access to education and cancel pensions (https://t.me/afonin_yuriy/3022).

        Both types of storytellers like to refer to the poorest African countries. They say, look: the birth rate there is very high, many times higher than in rich countries. This means that material well-being and social benefits are only detrimental to demography.

        However, in reality, the dependence of birth rate on material well-being is very complex. Yes, there are poor countries with high birth rates. But in developed countries, birth rates are higher in the wealthier strata of the population.

        I have already cited the fact (https://t.me/afonin_yuriy/2006): in the oil and gas Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, the birth rate is higher than in Dagestan and Ingushetia with their traditional large families.

        And the channel "Tolkovatel" gives (https://t.me/tolk_tolk/24526) a very striking Swedish example. If you divide the population of Sweden into four equal parts by income level, then in the upper, richest quarter, the birth rate will be THREE TIMES HIGHER than in the poorest quarter!

        It is clear that this upper quarter is not some rich people with palaces and dozens of servants. They are simply well-off people. Their birth rate is about 2,3 children per family, which ensures expanded reproduction of the population. While the poor give birth to only 0,7-0,8 children per woman during her lifetime.

        I am sure that a corresponding study in Russia will give approximately the same results. But our Rosstat does not like to calculate any indicators by property strata. Well, so as not to accidentally discover that the main reason for the current very low birth rate in Russia is poverty, lack of one's own housing, etc.

        We, Russian communists, insistently repeat: the most important thing for increasing the birth rate is to provide all young families with housing. The vaunted mortgage is of little help here. Whether you like it or not, but for demographic recovery we will have to revive the Soviet practice of providing families with free housing.

        Plus, a large set of social support measures is needed, which our comrade, Chair of the State Duma Committee on Family Protection, Fatherhood, Motherhood and Childhood Nina Ostanina has brilliantly presented many times. You can read about it, for example, here (https://t.me/ninaostanina/9335).

        And all the stories about other supposedly effective means of increasing the birth rate - from evicting city dwellers to the countryside to turning off the Internet (https://www.gazeta.ru/family/news/2025/06/10/26001548.shtml?ysclid=mbqdii5equ811602415) at night - are just hype or lies.
        1. -6
          27 June 2025 08: 36
          It is enough to look at the fertility rate in Sweden and Switzerland and it will be approximately at the same level as in Russia.
          1. +2
            27 June 2025 08: 37
            Are you talking about?
            I mean that the birth rate directly increases with the growth of income. This is the post about it. What are you talking about?
            1. -4
              27 June 2025 08: 39
              Incomes in Switzerland are among the highest in the world, but this does not translate into birth rates.
              1. +1
                27 June 2025 08: 40
                I understand that in your haste to answer me you didn't even read what was written. Please take the trouble to read before answering and look at the graph, which is statistical data.
                1. -10
                  27 June 2025 08: 41
                  If you are interested, you can compare fertility in different countries, poor and rich.
                  1. +3
                    27 June 2025 08: 43
                    1) We didn't switch to informal terms
                    2) Provide me with these fertility figures by wealth group for countries other than Sweden, if you have them. But the data for Sweden shows that fertility is directly related to income.
              2. +1
                27 June 2025 10: 24
                Switzerland ranks first in the world in terms of suicide rates per capita. Not far behind is Norway, also one of the most prosperous countries.
            2. -1
              27 June 2025 08: 46
              And this was proven in the 90s. If in the 1,4s the birth rate fell to 1,2-1.8 million people per year, then when in the 1s, due to the huge income from the fact that world prices for the export of natural resources and raw materials increased several times, the government raised salaries and pensions above real inflation, then the birth rate increased to 9-90 million people per year. And then it stopped doing this, and the birth rate began to decline, and now it has again fallen to the level of the XNUMXs.
            3. -3
              27 June 2025 16: 01
              This is a stupid statement, it's the other way around
              1. 0
                27 June 2025 19: 35
                This is a stupid statement, it's the other way around

                Do you also prefer to write without reading?
        2. -6
          27 June 2025 10: 28
          Quote: October
          Depends. Here are some statistics that appeared
          And here is the text from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation
          [Forwarded from Yuri Afonin]
          [ Photo ]
          Wealthy families have three times more children than poor families.

          ‼️ Therefore, the only real way to stop Russia’s extinction is to provide families with housing, a normal income and social support.

          Tell me, how many times have you heard the story that material incentives are not able to increase the birth rate? Probably hundreds of times.

          At first, this tale was told for many years by Russian liberals. This is understandable: their representatives in power – the Gaidars-Chubaises and their successors – did nothing to support childbirth in the country. It was necessary to somehow justify this cannibalistic policy.

          Now the same fairy tale is being told by right-wing "patriots". Allegedly, no benefits or allowances will help. And in order to restore the birth rate, it is necessary to evict city dwellers to the village, limit women's access to education and cancel pensions (https://t.me/afonin_yuriy/3022).

          Both types of storytellers like to refer to the poorest African countries. They say, look: the birth rate there is very high, many times higher than in rich countries. This means that material well-being and social benefits are only detrimental to demography.

          However, in reality, the dependence of birth rate on material well-being is very complex. Yes, there are poor countries with high birth rates. But in developed countries, birth rates are higher in the wealthier strata of the population.

          I have already cited the fact (https://t.me/afonin_yuriy/2006): in the oil and gas Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, the birth rate is higher than in Dagestan and Ingushetia with their traditional large families.

          And the channel "Tolkovatel" gives (https://t.me/tolk_tolk/24526) a very striking Swedish example. If you divide the population of Sweden into four equal parts by income level, then in the upper, richest quarter, the birth rate will be THREE TIMES HIGHER than in the poorest quarter!

          It is clear that this upper quarter is not some rich people with palaces and dozens of servants. They are simply well-off people. Their birth rate is about 2,3 children per family, which ensures expanded reproduction of the population. While the poor give birth to only 0,7-0,8 children per woman during her lifetime.

          I am sure that a corresponding study in Russia will give approximately the same results. But our Rosstat does not like to calculate any indicators by property strata. Well, so as not to accidentally discover that the main reason for the current very low birth rate in Russia is poverty, lack of one's own housing, etc.

          We, Russian communists, insistently repeat: the most important thing for increasing the birth rate is to provide all young families with housing. The vaunted mortgage is of little help here. Whether you like it or not, but for demographic recovery we will have to revive the Soviet practice of providing families with free housing.

          Plus, a large set of social support measures is needed, which our comrade, Chair of the State Duma Committee on Family Protection, Fatherhood, Motherhood and Childhood Nina Ostanina has brilliantly presented many times. You can read about it, for example, here (https://t.me/ninaostanina/9335).

          And all the stories about other supposedly effective means of increasing the birth rate - from evicting city dwellers to the countryside to turning off the Internet (https://www.gazeta.ru/family/news/2025/06/10/26001548.shtml?ysclid=mbqdii5equ811602415) at night - are just hype or lies.

          If these talkers If they were right, by the end of the 1980s in the RSFSR there would have been 5 children in a secondary school, not 2 and a bit.
          And for some reason the CPSU was unable to catch up with this figure to at least 3
          1. +5
            27 June 2025 10: 46
            If these chatterboxes were right, by the end of the 1980s in the RSFSR there would have been 5 children in a secondary school, not 2 and a bit.
            And for some reason the CPSU was unable to catch up with this figure to at least 3

            Demagogy.
            The answer is not substantive.
          2. +4
            27 June 2025 10: 57
            Under the "chatterboxes" the population of the RSFSR in the 80s increased by 10 million people, and under you, the enemies of the USSR, if we count only by mortality/birth rate, without taking into account the Crimeans and those who moved from other countries, from 148 million in 1991, no more than 130 million people remained.
            And the number of Russian people, even taking into account Russians who moved from other countries to the territory of the former USSR, decreased from 118 million according to the 1989 census to 105 million according to the 2021 census.
            And naturally, you are enemies of the USSR and have “nothing to do with” all of this.
            The only thing that has to do with you is that you GOT a lot of things thanks to the destruction of the USSR.
            1. -10
              27 June 2025 11: 16
              Quote: tatra
              Under the "chatterboxes" the population of the RSFSR in the 80s increased by 10 million people, and under you, the enemies of the USSR, if we count only by mortality/birth rate, without taking into account the Crimeans and those who moved from other countries, from 148 million in 1991, no more than 130 million people remained.

              When you give numbers, check them at least a little.130 vs 146 It doesn't look very good.
              And yes - it is excluding 4 new regions

              "As a result, according to preliminary estimates by Rosstat, the population of Russia at the beginning of 2025 decreased to 146,028 million people from 146,151 million at the beginning of 2024. Let us clarify that the service gives its own assessments. excluding four new regions — the collection of statistical data in accordance with the requirements of the Rosstat methodology has not yet been established."
              https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/7533665
              1. +4
                27 June 2025 11: 22
                You don't even have enough intelligence to understand what you read. And I wrote it as it is in reality, and not according to reports, when you, enemies of the USSR, gave citizenship to many millions in other States on the territory of the former USSR, and those who moved from other countries.
                And even based on the fact that the number of Russians has decreased by 13 million people, and you give figures in general - almost the same as it was in 1991, one can understand that Russians have been replaced by other nationalities.
                1. -7
                  27 June 2025 11: 42
                  Quote: tatra
                  And I wrote - as it is in reality, and not according to reports,

                  According to reports The USSR had an army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the "coolest" KGB in the world. And also 16 million members of the CPSU and 35 million members of the Komsomol.
                  The USSR perished in a few days - like some Syria. And even the homosexuals (they did everything exclusively through their favorite place) from the Central Committee, Politburo and similar places - galloped abroad. Strictly like Assad.....
                  1. +2
                    27 June 2025 11: 45
                    Ha, and what about the cowardly "shifting the blame" to something else? And yes, you, the enemies of the USSR - an anomaly of humanity in everything, including the fact that you are the only ones in world history who have cowardly shifted the responsibility for your seizure of your country onto those from whom you took it.
                    1. -4
                      27 June 2025 11: 59
                      Quote: tatra
                      You are the only ones in world history who have cowardly shifted the responsibility for your seizure of your country onto those from whom you took it.

                      No one took it away - when something happened take away At least they threaten to punch you in the face. Minimally.
                      But I didn’t see any beaten faces of communists and Komsomol members - at least those who fought behind its power (there is no talk about the people - the people did not blurt out anything to anyone). I'm not even talking about those who fulfilled their oath and "defended their Motherland to the last drop of blood" - there were some of them..... mmm.... ah, no, not a single one of the 16+35 million was found
                      The power was lying - just like with the Provisional Government - underfoot. Naturally, it was raised...
                      1. +1
                        27 June 2025 12: 04
                        If you, the enemies of the communists, did not take the country away from the communists and their supporters, then you have no right to own the territory of the USSR, you have no right to impose your anti-communist power, your System, economy, ideology.
                      2. -1
                        27 June 2025 12: 15
                        Quote: tatra
                        If you, the enemies of the communists, did not take the country away from the communists and their supporters, then you have no right to own the territory of the USSR.

                        So take it, who's against it? Or are you afraid - what if they give you 15 days or a fine? lol ?
                        Kamo walked under the death sentence and sat in a mental hospital - and today, God forgive such communism, there is nowhere to put tests...

                        Quote: tatra
                        If you, the enemies of the communists, did not take the country away from the communists
                        Do you understand the difference between taking away and lying around unattended?
                        For example, Hitler took away - and it is clear that the communists fought for the country.
                        But I don’t see even 100 people “who died in battles with the capitalists for the return of Soviet power”...


                        Quote: tatra
                        You have no right to impose your anti-communist power, your System, economy, ideology.

                        The right of the strong is the one who has picked up unclaimed power

                        If in 1991 in Moscow they had come out all Moscow communists (560) belay were registered in Moscow +300 in the region) on strike - there would have been no collapse of the USSR. It would have been clear that there was a boss in power, but otherwise.....
                      3. -2
                        27 June 2025 12: 17
                        So take it, who's against it?

                        Ha, he finally admitted that they took the country away from the communists and their supporters. Which was what had to be proven. All the best, don't get sick.
                      4. -4
                        27 June 2025 12: 18
                        Quote: tatra
                        So take it, who's against it?

                        Ha, he finally admitted that they took the country away from the communists and their supporters. Which was what had to be proven. All the best, don't get sick.

                        I repeat - they didn’t take it away (there was no one to take it from), but they raised up the ownerless power lying on the road.
                        And you too, don't get sick - you need to live a long time, who else will amuse the VO with "enemies of the communists". Whose enemies were they themselves.....
                      5. 0
                        27 June 2025 19: 14
                        Let me guess - the Soviet government never took this power away from anyone?
                        Well, to make it more honest
              2. -4
                27 June 2025 16: 29
                Quote: your1970
                When you give numbers, check them at least a little.

                Every year the indigenous population of Russia decreases by 600 people. Already in 000 the population of the USSR began to grow. Putin's problem is that he does not analyze the actions of his governors in fulfilling his messages and programs. If he had found out in which 1945 regions the indicators for the implementation of Putin's programs are really the lowest and banned the 5 most negligent from holding positions in government agencies and companies with state capital, and significantly demoted 2, then the birth rate in the remaining regions would have immediately increased. Another thing is that then there would be completely different people in power.
      3. +2
        27 June 2025 08: 38
        Quote: Mars
        Population growth does not depend on the standard of living. We have 15 million migrants, and the population is dying out, the same in Europe.

        in the majority of EU countries, as well as the USA, the standard of living is higher, but the birth rate is also higher (albeit not by much).. but why? After all, this contradicts your thesis.. therefore, let's consider countries comparable in socio-cultural development, and not the Russian Federation with Tanzania and Afghanistan..
        1. -9
          27 June 2025 08: 40
          In Europe, the birth rate is rising due to migrants, but given that only 36% of white English people remain in London, it could increase even more.
    2. -5
      27 June 2025 05: 37
      About the standard of living, it’s about the fact that everyone always has too little of everything.
      I often hear when these millionaires will "get their fill".
      The population also can't seem to get enough.
      - People lived well in the 80s! Bread 20 kopecks. Vodka 4 rubles 42 kopecks. Meat 2 rubles.
      Now, to find out how your income compares to the level of the 80s of the last century, you need to divide your income by 300. And you will be surprised to learn that the average salary for many is 150 rubles (like an engineer with a higher education in the 80s), for someone it is 300 rubles (like a turner in the 80s). Vodka is 1 ruble 30 kopecks for half a liter. Beef - 2 rubles per kg, pork 1 ruble 30 kopecks per kg. Refrigerator 150 rubles, TV 100-200 rubles. Car 5000-6500 thousand.
      Those who lived at that time and still remember it today, I hope, will agree.
      Work, don't be lazy, get an education and live with dignity.
      Housing is inherited, education is free if the children study well.
      I'm not saying that everything is good, but I'm not saying that I'm whining, we're living badly, we're living badly...
      A car in every family.
      .
      1. +6
        27 June 2025 06: 33
        Quote: sagitovich
        Vodka 1 ruble 30 kopecks per half-liter. Beef - 2 rubles per kg, pork 1 ruble 30 kopecks per kg. Refrigerator 150 rubles, TV 100-200 rubles. Car 5000-6500 thousand.

        Pricing and cost of products have changed significantly in the last 35 years, downwards. Just because of inflation and devaluation - it's not obvious. Therefore, you can't compare the price level then and the current level so head-on. If the USSR existed now, the prices for all the listed goods would be cheaper than then. And the salaries would be higher!
        Why is that? Because labor productivity has become much more efficient over the past 35 years. By one and a half to two times. And that means the cost price of manufactured products has decreased.
        1. -9
          27 June 2025 08: 02
          Quote: Stas157
          If the USSR existed now, the prices for all the listed goods would be cheaper than they were then.

          Savings banks in the USSR provided loans from 0,5% to 6% per annum, depending on the purpose of the loan.
          The choice is either there was inflation and your message is fundamentally incorrect, or the USSR drove the population into debt bondage feel lol

          In reality, the USSR fought inflation like a lion and its price hikes in the 1970s - this is a fight against the money supply of the population that is not backed by anything.
          Therefore, there would be no reduction in prices for goods in principle.
      2. +1
        27 June 2025 08: 14
        that's right, the money is made if the guy is spinning, of course, if you work as a teacher you won't make much money, but you can make money there, cars, I agree, there are plenty of foreign cars, during the USSR it was hard to collect for a Moskvich, now they'll bring in some money, just flip it off, it all depends on the specific person on the spot, and yelling that everything is lost, Yura, we've all lost it is also a way to make money)) now they've started pouring out the migration theme, both deputies and governors, and even, well, the elections are in September, you know)) when the elections are over, they'll change the theme, but Lekha is always driven out and put in a stall because that's sociology)) laughing people are not equal a priori, what is written in the constitution is a declaration and not a set of rules, purely like a pirate code, it is only for pirates))
      3. +11
        27 June 2025 08: 37
        Quote: sagitovich
        Now, to find out how your income compares to the level of the 80s of the last century, you need to divide your income by 300.

        No.
        You take the correspondence for some products, and not for the general basket. For example - in the USSR, travel on public transport cost 3-6 kopecks. With your coefficient, it turns out that now it should cost 9-18 rubles. Well, in my Chelyabinsk, even with all sorts of discounts and with a transport card, it costs 34 rubles, and for cash - 40.
        In the USSR, you could have a great lunch at any dumpling house for a ruble - get a salad, a double portion of dumplings, tea or juice. Can you find a place where you can have a hearty lunch for 300 rubles today?
        And even the comparison of products that you make is purely imaginary. Here you write
        Quote: sagitovich
        Meat 2 rubles.

        But in the USSR you bought MEAT. And in the Russian Federation now you can buy something for 600 rubles that will be fried in half in a frying pan. The mechanism is simple - we take meat, rub interesting chemicals into it and fill it with water. It absorbs this water and holds it, thereby adding up to 40% of the weight. That's how we sell it.
        Furthermore, you completely ignore the increased expenses, which simply did not exist in the USSR. There are practically no free sports sections now, while in the USSR - almost everything. The current "free" school education will require serious funds from you - both payments to the school (disguised as payment for additional lessons, clubs, etc.) and tutors, without whom today only very gifted children can normally pass the Unified State Exam. Medicine - too. In the USSR, you had the opportunity to get an apartment for free, although it was neither easy nor fast. In the Russian Federation...
        Quote: sagitovich
        And you will be surprised to learn that the average salary for many is 150 rubles (like an engineer with a higher education in the 80s)

        Actually, in 85 the average salary was around 200 rubles.
        1. -1
          27 June 2025 10: 39
          in 1984 I learned that according to the technology the yield of ready meals from meat is 70%. that is, we take 1 kg of pork to fry and as a result we get 700 grams of fried product, I think it is the same now!
          1. +3
            27 June 2025 11: 45
            Quote: realist
            in 1984 I learned that according to the technology the yield of ready meals from meat is 70%. that is, we take 1 kg of pork to fry and as a result we get 700 grams of fried product

            Of course, because the same pork in its natural form contains both water and fat, which are rendered. But if you take meat from a store and a farm pig bought from someone at slaughter, then the difference in yield will be... very big.
            1. +3
              27 June 2025 13: 52
              It will taste the same, and I think the percentage of yield will be the same.
              1. +3
                27 June 2025 13: 58
                Quote: realist
                I think the percentage of output will be the same

                Alexander, firstly, I used to work in the food industry myself, and I know what I'm talking about:)))) Secondly, I have excellent personal experience - when I had the opportunity to buy pork from friends in the village. It was simply extremely profitable.
                Well, and one more thing - you do understand that GOST standards for sausages, semi-finished products, products in canteens, etc. were observed very strictly in the USSR, and now they are adding the primary male sexual characteristic to them?
                1. +1
                  27 June 2025 14: 10
                  I am giving you a figure from a Soviet GOST, I learned it from one cook, may he rest in peace.
                  1. -1
                    27 June 2025 15: 30
                    Quote: realist
                    I give you a figure from the Soviet GOST

                    And I am writing to you that it is true. But from today's meat such a way out cannot be obtained
                    1. 0
                      28 June 2025 11: 49
                      I can't say anything about this. I haven't had fresh meat for a long time.
                2. +3
                  27 June 2025 16: 36
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  GOST standards for sausage products,

                  In the mid-90s, meat broth stuffed with emulsifier was sold under the guise of sausage.
              2. +1
                27 June 2025 16: 34
                Quote: realist
                It will taste the same, and I think the percentage of yield will be the same.

                Have you ever fried store-bought meat? How long does it take for some strange liquid to come out of it after 5 minutes?
                1. 0
                  28 June 2025 11: 51
                  I fry constantly and don’t experience any problems.
                  1. 0
                    28 June 2025 23: 05
                    Quote: realist
                    I fry constantly. I don't feel any problems.

                    You are simply ignorant of what pig feed is made of and what minced meat looks like before it becomes sausage. You have not been shown the ability of emulsifiers to absorb water into a product and make even broth a solid substance.
                    1. 0
                      30 June 2025 11: 35
                      The cheapest feed for livestock is made from grain, I voluntarily try not to eat sausage, only in emergency cases, I had experience working in a meat processing plant.
        2. 0
          27 June 2025 17: 54
          It absorbs and retains this water, thereby adding up to 40% of the weight. That's how we sell it.

          I remember well the Leningrad TV program "Monitor", in one of the episodes of which they enthusiastically reported that a German machine for massaging meat with water had been installed and launched at a meat-packing plant.
        3. 0
          27 June 2025 18: 02
          tutors, without whom today only very gifted children can pass the Unified State Exam normally.

          So far I have only dealt with the OGE, but I must say that even the "basic" textbooks are very decent, if you study, then there can be no problems with exams even without tutors, a 4 is easy.
          The problem is that children don't want to study. It seems like they are competing to see who is worse (well, just to get to the next grade).
          1. +1
            27 June 2025 18: 30
            Quote from: ln_ln
            So far I have only dealt with the OGE, but I must say that even the "basic" textbooks are very decent, if you study, then there can be no problems with exams even without tutors, a 4 is easy.

            Well, take it from a father of three. Or don't, just go through it yourself.
            Quote from: ln_ln
            The problem is that children don’t want to study.

            My eldest simply dug her heels in chemistry - she decided to become a doctor, and that's it. She got into a chemistry and biology school, but in a regular class. She fought for two years to be transferred to a specialized class. Her teachers told her "you won't make it", but she kept trying. In the end, before the OGE, the head of chemistry told her - "okay, come to me as a tutor, and then we'll see."
            The woman was very difficult. She could ask anything that she didn't give, or from the 10-11 grade program, and she scolded you very much if you didn't answer correctly. My daughter often cried before classes - she didn't want to go, but... she got up and went. On her own. My mother and I tried to dissuade her, saying that chemistry isn't the only thing in the world... No. She decided that she had to and she pushed hard (as I did in my time).
            Got into a specialized one. In the 10th and 11th grades, children often have to be persuaded to study. My daughter had to be persuaded to rest. She solved the Unified State Exam practice tests consistently at 90 points - sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. In the end, we even hired her the best tutor we could find...
            The result of the Unified State Exam is a very average score. Because the Unified State Exam officials shoved in a problem on a topic that was not in the school program at all, in the textbooks (and my daughter studied from more than one) and even the tutor, who had a direct relationship with the commission, threw up her hands - "this should not have happened."
            In general, the Unified State Exam makes sense when teaching is conducted according to a single standard. And if there is no standard, then...
            A very good illustration. My daughter is preparing for biology and says: "Dad, look. Here's a task in the sample book." I look, it says: "List 6 characteristics of something" I don't remember what. My daughter opens one biology textbook and shows it. It lists 4 characteristics of this something. She opens a second textbook. It lists 11 characteristics. How can you expect a child (or an adult) to guess which 6 of them were meant? And if one characteristic is not guessed, that's it, the task is not solved. If the child hasn't seen a textbook with 11 characteristics while preparing, he won't solve the problem at all - he only knows 4.
            1. 0
              27 June 2025 19: 29
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Because the Unified State Exam officials tucked in a problem on a topic that wasn't even in the school curriculum or in the textbooks (and my daughter didn't study from just one) and even the tutor, who had a direct relationship with the commission, threw up her hands - "this shouldn't have happened."
              In general, the Unified State Exam makes sense when teaching is conducted according to a single standard. And if there is no standard, then...

              so it turns out that you can't cram for the Unified State Exam, besides, there were such questions all over the Russian Federation, and because of this, accordingly, everyone's score dropped, that is, nothing much was lost - on average, the most knowledgeable ones will simply have a lower score... but if somewhere this question was answered en masse - a question for a tutor all the same...
              1. +2
                27 June 2025 19: 59
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                so it turns out that you can't cram for the Unified State Exam, besides, there were such questions all over the Russian Federation, and because of this, accordingly, everyone's score dropped, that is, nothing much was lost

                Exactly - no. There are a huge number of textbooks, each school is free to choose its own. And what will come up on the Unified State Exam, no one knows, if you were lucky, and they taught you this - you will pass, if not... Well, if there is no, there is no king.
                There are now so many textbooks on each subject that no student can know them all.
            2. 0
              27 June 2025 22: 47
              My eldest is just stubborn about chemistry.

              Chemistry is a mysterious subject, I'm afraid it's simply impossible to teach it properly at school. Mathematics and physics are much simpler, more formal.
      4. -2
        27 June 2025 10: 37
        "- In the 80s, we lived well! Bread was 20 kopecks. Vodka was 4 rubles 42 kopecks. Meat was 2 rubles." I'm embarrassed to ask where you lived in the 80s, where did you see such prices? There was nothing like that in Astrakhan, there was no meat at all in state stores, at the market it was 5-6 rubles per kilogram.
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  4. +26
    27 June 2025 04: 14
    Looking at the current old-timers and spirited people in the country's leadership and the development of well-known events, it becomes clear that we will not return anywhere. This is a one-way path.
    1. -27
      27 June 2025 05: 15
      Do we need young people like Zelensky? To prosper like Ukraine laughing
      1. +20
        27 June 2025 06: 10
        Quote: Mars
        Do we need young people like Zelensky? To prosper like Ukraine

        Is Zelensky the only person in the world? Or is it that all the youth in Russia is so stupid and hopeless that you can't even trust them with a broom? And about youth. 40 years is maturity and a normal age for a politician, and after 70, politicians should be sent into retirement to grow cucumbers and take care of their grandchildren.
        1. -18
          27 June 2025 06: 17
          We have democracy like in the USA, if they choose Putin or Trump, it means the majority is for them.
          1. +17
            27 June 2025 06: 18
            Quote: Mars
            We have democracy like in the USA, if they choose Putin or Trump, it means the majority is for them.

            April 1st passed, it seems...
            1. -15
              27 June 2025 06: 19
              Do you doubt that the majority in Russia is for Putin? Who is the majority for then?
              1. +13
                27 June 2025 06: 20
                Quote: Mars
                Do you doubt that the majority in Russia is for Putin?

                Doubting is forbidden, so don't provoke.
                Quote: Mars
                Who is the majority for then?

                For myself.
                1. -18
                  27 June 2025 06: 24
                  That is, you still acknowledge reality and the fact that in this reality the majority votes for Putin. laughing
                  1. +3
                    27 June 2025 06: 25
                    Quote: Mars
                    That is, you still acknowledge reality and the fact that in this reality the majority votes for Putin.

                    With such a choice...
                    1. -15
                      27 June 2025 06: 26
                      Who will the majority of Russians vote for? Can you name this person?
                      1. +7
                        27 June 2025 06: 29
                        Quote: Mars
                        Who will the majority of Russians vote for? Can you name this person?

                        There are 140 million people living in Russia. I don't know all the full names. Perhaps you are more worthy, for example.
                      2. -17
                        27 June 2025 06: 31
                        That is, there is no person more popular than Putin for the post of president in Russia. Well, that's what I wrote about, that we have democracy and the majority voted for Putin.
                      3. +16
                        27 June 2025 06: 55
                        Why then did he destroy politics and the opposition, why then is he afraid to allow the slightest opposition, like the “liberal” Nadezhdin and the journalist Duntsova, to participate in the elections?
                        So why did they have to create bots on the Internet for money so that they would portray his supporters?
                        So then, even those who vote for him are not able to adequately and honestly explain why?
                      4. -17
                        27 June 2025 07: 32
                        What opposition? Less than 2018% voted for Sobchak in 2, if any other oppositionist gets 5-10%, it will already be his success. For example, I voted for Putin because he suits me, and who are Nadezhdin and Duntsova? Are they successful officials or businessmen? How did they prove themselves?
                      5. +11
                        27 June 2025 07: 36
                        Ha, that’s exactly it, so why is he so afraid to allow those who are not from the parties in the State Duma to participate in the elections?
                        And this is not an answer that he suits you. He has been ruling for a long time, and this is all that you are able to write for him - that he suits you?
                      6. -14
                        27 June 2025 07: 40
                        Who's afraid of Putin? laughing
                        He has such authority that any competitor will lose to him. I don't understand one thing, why if a person copes with the job he should be replaced by another, about whom it is unknown whether he will cope or will be like Gorbachev or EBN. Or has it become boring and you want trash again like in the 90s?
                      7. +10
                        27 June 2025 07: 46
                        You are increasingly reminiscent of those I wrote about above, whose main method was “remember what happened in the 90s,” but now it has almost disappeared, because even their owners understand that everything is heading towards something that will be even worse than in the 90s.
                        And according to polls by the same VTsIOM, in a poll about attitudes toward politicians in general, only 37-38% voted for him over the past year.
                      8. -12
                        27 June 2025 07: 56
                        I lived through the times of rulers before Putin and I have something to compare with. Young people, of course, did not live through this and they are probably bored. But I am quite happy that tanks in Moscow do not shoot at the parliament under the approving claps of the West for the half-drunk president "God bless America"
                      9. +8
                        27 June 2025 08: 00
                        Well, again you have everything AGAINST him, but nothing FOR him. The "ideology" of his rule is not what he did that was useful for the country and the people, but that before him everything was bad, and without him everything will immediately become bad.
                        And I stop "feeding the troll."
                      10. -13
                        27 June 2025 08: 07
                        I don't know if it will be good or bad, but I don't want to experiment on my own skin. It's better to experiment on the khokhols or the Georgians, let them change power for the sake of changing power if that's what they want.
                      11. -7
                        27 June 2025 08: 10
                        Quote: tatra
                        And according to polls by the same VTsIOM, in a poll about attitudes toward politicians in general, only 37-38% voted for him over the past year.

                        Please write the full name of who got 10% in these polls and we will discuss this candidate for the elections.
                      12. -8
                        27 June 2025 08: 08
                        Quote: tatra
                        before the elections, the slightest opposition, like the "liberal" Nadezhdin and the journalist Duntsova?

                        How dirty there were these oppositionists at all elections. But they don't get more than 2-3% - the population doesn't trust them...
                      13. +4
                        27 June 2025 09: 03
                        Quote: your1970
                        But they don't get more than 2-3% - the population doesn't trust them

                        Elections are a technology. The procedure itself does not decide anything. That is, the victory of the right candidate is a question of resources, primarily administrative ones. All that is needed is to frame the right candidate with obviously losing opponents and the elections are held without any machinations. It was not for nothing that the column against everyone was removed. Only it was capable of breaking the scheme. There was another way to complicate the technology of promoting the right candidate, it is not to go to the elections. This does not change the results, but with a small number of participants, it makes it less legitimate. But a way was found against this through remote voting. Now the manager requires documentary confirmation of participation in the elections and controls this process. It does not matter how the employee voted, the main thing is participation, because the technology will not allow, in general, to vote incorrectly.
                      14. +1
                        27 June 2025 09: 08
                        Yes, there are already insider reports that in the September elections all governors will be “drawn” 70-80%. And that is how it will be.
                        The enemies of the USSR, who seized the republics of the USSR, were divided into those who allow their citizens to change power through elections, and those who do not.
                        We were unlucky.
                      15. 0
                        27 June 2025 09: 11
                        Quote: tatra
                        In September, all governors will be "drawn" 70-80%. And that's how it will be.

                        They won't draw, there will be a fairly fair election procedure. There will simply be candidates nearby, well, voting for whom is more expensive for themselves, so they will vote for the right one. And the administration, having put pressure on the heads of enterprises in the region, will ensure mass participation. Technology, however.
                      16. 0
                        27 June 2025 09: 14
                        Ha, the results of all elections are "known" in advance.
                        And according to elementary logic, it cannot be that no matter how bad things are, the people always vote equally for the government.
                      17. -3
                        27 June 2025 09: 22
                        Quote: tatra
                        Ha, the results of all elections are "known" in advance.

                        Are they known? They are understandable, because the right candidate is pushed through all means of campaigning, the rest are simply ignored to varying degrees. And when a person has a ballot in front of him, then out of all the variety, the eye will catch a familiar full name. Technology, however. And drawing, a criminal offense. And how many will they draw there with all the passport data 50-100 forms? They will get tired of writing. And this will give about 5%. Elections are made with a margin of 30-40%, these 5 do not decide anything. Technology, however.
                      18. -1
                        27 June 2025 09: 23
                        It's like you fell from the moon.
                      19. 0
                        27 June 2025 09: 25
                        Quote: tatra
                        It's like you fell from the moon.

                        You just don't like to know that, in general, society is an object that can be controlled. And you, too.
                      20. 0
                        27 June 2025 09: 29
                        Well, yes, but you seem not to know about ballot stuffing, “carousel voting”, about rewriting the final results at polling stations, about the difference between the data at the polling stations and those issued by the Central Election Commission.
                        And yes, I can clearly see that the government has managed to zombify tens of millions who complain that everything is bad, wages and pensions are small, roads and medicine are bad, but they stubbornly vote for the government.
                      21. -2
                        27 June 2025 09: 36
                        Quote: tatra
                        but they stubbornly vote for the government.

                        Of course, there are such cases, because no one has cancelled the initiative fool. But if you collect all the violations, cancel the results at the polling stations that have committed the offence, this will give a maximum of 1-2%, which in no way affects the result. Once again, when the victory is in the difference of 30-40%, this is nothing. Now, if the candidates are neck and neck, then I agree, but such elections have not been around for a long time. And people stubbornly vote precisely because of manipulation, not everyone is able to resist propaganda and pressure. The example of Ukraine is indicative of how society in its majority can be reformatted. The only question is the resources expended.
                      22. 0
                        27 June 2025 09: 39
                        You are impenetrable. There is no point in explaining anything to you. All the best.
                      23. -2
                        27 June 2025 10: 17
                        Quote: tatra
                        You are impenetrable. There is no point in explaining anything to you. All the best.

                        The person explained it to you reality- And you mean "carousels"
                      24. -2
                        27 June 2025 10: 15
                        Quote: tatra
                        Ha, the results of all elections are "known" in advance.
                        And according to elementary logic, it cannot be that no matter how bad things are, the people always vote equally for the government.

                        According to elementary logic - no matter how bad things were in the Ryazan region at the time of the "Ryazan experiment" - the population unanimously, 98,9%, voted for the candidate from the CPSU.
                        Because there were no others - even if you voted for them... And the result was always known 100% 5 years in advance
                      25. -2
                        27 June 2025 10: 11
                        Quote: qqqq
                        It doesn’t matter how the employee voted, the main thing is participation, because technology will not allow, in general, to vote incorrectly.

                        And how does this deprive you of the right to vote in protest - "For Zhirinovsky!!" (C)?
                        For anyone - obviously not a candidate?
                        Quote: qqqq
                        Now the leader requires documentary confirmation of participation in the elections and controls this process.

                        Have you tried sending him away? Or is he fearless and not afraid of the media? Or are you +50?
                      26. +1
                        27 June 2025 10: 16
                        Quote: your1970
                        Have you tried sending him away? Or is he fearless and not afraid of the media? Or are you +50?

                        You can send them, but how and with what to feed the family. In the cities, there are only a few enterprises left. Everyone to become taxi drivers and (or) delivery men, so-so idea. And again, the majority will not send them, just as they will not vote in protest, here we are talking about manipulation of the masses. And not all the people are in Moscow to call the media. And the manager does not do anything illegal, he ensures the fulfillment of civic duty by employees, without interfering in any way with the secrecy of the vote. And yes, I am 50+.
                      27. -2
                        27 June 2025 10: 19
                        Quote: qqqq
                        And yes, I'm 50+.

                        This is the main thing in this matter.
                        Everything else comes down to this - I'm like that myself
                      28. -1
                        27 June 2025 10: 22
                        Quote: your1970
                        Everything else comes down to this - I'm like that myself

                        If I see an attempt at manipulation, do you really think that I will not resist it? You can try to break the wall with your forehead, it is useful at a young age, or you can, due to your life experience, do it differently.
                      29. 0
                        27 June 2025 10: 32
                        Quote: qqqq
                        Quote: your1970
                        Everything else comes down to this - I'm like that myself

                        If I see an attempt at manipulation, do you really think that I will not resist it? You can try to break the wall with your forehead, it is useful at a young age, or you can, due to your life experience, do it differently.

                        I don't argue with this at all, there are many different options.
                      30. +1
                        27 June 2025 22: 20
                        Why are you so cocky? Ask such questions in your own henhouse.
                      31. -2
                        27 June 2025 23: 56
                        Are you drunk or something? laughing
                        Or do you want a "God Bless America" ​​president again? laughing
                      32. Aag
                        +2
                        28 June 2025 12: 11
                        Quote: Mars
                        Who will the majority of Russians vote for? Can you name this person?

                        Against all...
                      33. -3
                        28 June 2025 14: 55
                        So you are from a minority?
              2. +2
                27 June 2025 08: 59
                If you ask me, half of them didn't vote.
      2. +5
        27 June 2025 06: 16
        Clowns are not needed, definitely. But young, decisive people like Surovikin, Mordvichev - yes. And even honest people (though not many) can be found among the governors.
        1. 0
          27 June 2025 10: 43
          Most of the governors today come from the VVP security service, reliable officers!
      3. +17
        27 June 2025 06: 52
        Quote: Mars
        Do we need young people like Zelensky? To prosper like Ukraine laughing

        What kind of hopelessness do we have? If not Putin, then Zelensky will definitely come and it will be like in Ukraine! Or like in the nineties at worst... And do we have no other choice at all? Hurray, patriots (and guardians), what are you doing? Do you want to make Putin immortal or something? After all, in your opinion, we cannot live otherwise!
        1. -18
          27 June 2025 07: 27
          It's not my fault that the majority of Russians voted for Putin and not for another younger candidate. We have democracy and it is the majority that chooses, not the minority as in Germany and Britain.
          1. +14
            27 June 2025 08: 06
            Haven't you seen what a dropout there is for candidates during the registration process? They are simply not allowed to participate in the elections. And you are telling fairy tales about democracy...
            1. -14
              27 June 2025 08: 08
              Do you think anyone can become a candidate for chancellor in Germany? laughing
              1. +5
                27 June 2025 08: 31
                What does Germany have to do with it? In Russia, they condemn those in power for life
                1. -10
                  27 June 2025 08: 34
                  In Germany and Britain, the people do not have the right to choose the head of the country, this is done by a handful of deputies. This is undemocratic and allows them to push through completely unwinnable candidates with ratings below the plinth, but that is their political system. We do not need one like that.
            2. +3
              27 June 2025 08: 24
              And it’s funny that Putin demands that the enemies of the USSR in Ukraine hold presidential elections, because by doing so he recognizes that the people there have been given the right to change the government through elections.
          2. +7
            27 June 2025 10: 45
            "It's not my fault that the majority of Russians voted for Putin and not for another, younger candidate. We have democracy and the majority chooses,"
            Do you seriously think that this is true? That someone wins the elections? In my opinion, elections today are a performance. And a bad one at that...
            1. -6
              27 June 2025 16: 27
              Of course, I am sure that the majority of Russians vote for Putin, even in Moscow and St. Petersburg where there are plenty of soybeans.
              1. +6
                27 June 2025 18: 25
                Quote: Mars
                Of course, I am sure that the majority of Russians vote for Putin, even in Moscow and St. Petersburg where there are plenty of soybeans.

                Most Russians don't go to elections, especially local ones. And the turnout at presidential elections isn't very high either. Many who come spoil their ballots. That's why the majority wins - old men, old women, or "there are no others, but someone is needed", and the Caucasian republics give their 100% result (or something like that). laughing
                I don't believe in these elections. And the sane majority. Everything is too obvious to everyone. I am from the working class and from what I know, no one likes Putin, to put it mildly. Yes People are apathetic...
                1. -7
                  27 June 2025 18: 27
                  Who do they want? A president like Gorbachev or EBN? Or Ksenia Sobchak?
                  1. +7
                    27 June 2025 18: 53
                    Quote: Mars
                    Who do they want? A president like Gorbachev or EBN? Or Ksenia Sobchak?

                    Why didn’t you remember the same comrade Stalin? belay
                    Remember once and for all: Putin is a liberal, who was led by the hand to Yeltsin by citizen Chubais, as a loyal comrade of citizen Sobchak (who gave birth to, raised and educated Ksenia Sobchak). Hence all his half measures in governing the country. As one of the forum members aptly noted: V.V. Putin faces a dilemma - to feed the oligarchs and please the people... But the oligarchs (and his entourage) are a priority.
                    Russia needs a statesman (not a politician) with different priorities - towards the people and the country.
                    1. -5
                      27 June 2025 18: 57
                      So, which living character do Russians, in your opinion, want to be president of Russia?
                      1. +4
                        27 June 2025 19: 07
                        Quote: Mars
                        So, which living character do Russians, in your opinion, want to be president of Russia?

                        The question is rhetorical. From the series - God forbid, what happens to the President... crying Who will replace him...? request Let's not get lost for snuff.... A-ha.
                        To begin with, there is no normal right-wing conservative party in Russia that could put forward its own candidate. Like the German AfD. The reason is simple - the ruling elite is doing everything to prevent this from happening.
                      2. -5
                        27 June 2025 19: 11
                        The name of this man whom Russians so want to see as the president of Russia is enough for me
                      3. +3
                        27 June 2025 19: 50
                        Quote: Mars
                        The name of this man whom Russians so want to see as the president of Russia is enough for me

                        I wrote to you - none of the "family names" wants to risk their health. Whoever is appointed as the successor - that's who he will be. Until, in the end, they bring the country to the brink.... As it happened under the degenerate communist gerontocracy. We now have practically one to one, only it is further aggravated by the capitalist oligarchocracy..... The prospects are so-so...
                      4. -3
                        27 June 2025 19: 53
                        What does it have to do with appointing? I wonder who the majority of Russians are ready to vote for. Who is this popular person worthy of being the president of Russia?
                      5. +2
                        27 June 2025 20: 04
                        I think that Lukashenko, as one of the figures of the “union state”, would win the elections against Putin. smile
                        But in Russia specifically there are no such public ones, but this does not mean that they do not exist in principle. Now in Russia politics revolves around the cult of Putin's personality. Until there is a real opposition from the conservative party, there is no point in naming any names. Especially to guess for all Russians. hi
                      6. -1
                        27 June 2025 23: 32
                        They don't exist. And we've had our fill of Yeltsins and Gorbachevs.
                      7. -1
                        28 June 2025 18: 20
                        Then let us pray for the Glory and Health of Vladimir Vladimirovich the Holy Irreplaceable, for without him Russia is doomed.....Long may he live. laughing
                      8. -1
                        4 July 2025 16: 24
                        Those who eat khanka are doomed. And Putin really has many years left.
                      9. 0
                        5 July 2025 16: 40
                        Quote: South American Golden Frog
                        Those who eat khanka are doomed. And Putin really has many years left.

                        Yes, for God's sake... But it's time for the old man to retire, otherwise his sentimental senile dementia and his corrupt peers from "United Russia" will bring the country to the brink of ruin, as happened with the Union.
      4. +1
        27 June 2025 10: 42
        Zelensky is a product made according to Soros's recipe. I think that in Russia there were normal, promising politicians before 2000. Then they ended.
      5. 0
        27 June 2025 19: 33
        Quote: Mars
        Do we need young people like Zelensky? To prosper like Ukraine

        Well then tell me, who was VVP in 44 when he came to power?
  5. +1
    27 June 2025 04: 15
    Now it's worth not bothering, while this is going on, all this is not important. It will end, then we will decide what to do with all this. There is no need to extradite Assad. After all, this will spoil our image, which has suffered seriously lately.
  6. -3
    27 June 2025 04: 35
    It is unclear what this reasoning about our frigate against US destroyers or the entire 7th fleet is about. If our frigate is destroyed by the US, then it is war. Special warheads will immediately fly at both the destroyers and the aircraft carrier group. In accordance with our doctrine. A war with a country possessing nuclear weapons immediately allows, and rather even obliges, the use of nuclear weapons.
    A base on the Mediterranean is needed for exactly the same reason as a naval base in Kaliningrad. Our main sea trade routes pass through there and they need to be protected.
    1. +18
      27 June 2025 05: 03
      I seriously doubt that anything will fly anywhere right away. It should have flown a long time ago, not even to the States, but to their mongrels. But they don't even talk about red lines anymore. So if it does fly, it won't be under this leadership, everyone has already understood that.
      1. -6
        27 June 2025 05: 16
        Judging by the fact that all sorts of Tauruses have not flown around Moscow, some red lines still remain. For now.
        What I'm getting at is that the situation of our frigate confronting the entire US fleet is purely hypothetical and highly unlikely. There's no point in discussing this. The Mediterranean base is not needed for this.
        1. +8
          27 June 2025 09: 16
          Quote: malyvalv
          Judging by the fact that all sorts of Tauruses have not flown around Moscow, some red lines still remain. For now.

          They didn't fly not because they were afraid of some painted lines. It's just that everyone there is happy with the slow-moving meat grinder that is grinding down Russia and Ukraine. There is an understanding that our great elders, if they are not strongly touched, are not capable of decisive action.
          1. -3
            27 June 2025 23: 35
            So Nata is also being ground down. It turned out that America is not the all-powerful world monster of the times of at least the operation in Iraq. Nata turned out to be an impotent gang of Tabaki. In fact, the SVO dispelled many myths. And Russia is not in the first row here.
            1. +1
              27 June 2025 23: 46
              Quote: South American Golden Frog
              So Natu is also being ground down.

              What is being worn down? They will make more hardware, but the people will never be brought back. And NATO is not losing them, and if there are losses, then in homeopathic doses, not even noticeable to them.
              1. -3
                27 June 2025 23: 54
                And Nata has no people in principle. There are no people like the Ukrainians who are ready to die in thousands. And if there are no people, then the weapons are junk. So it turns out that Nata is a naked king. Who will fight on land? Only the Danes and the Poles. And then on their own land. The Romanians, Norwegians and others will stand on all fours just so they don't get hit. And you talk about some iron things.
                1. +1
                  28 June 2025 09: 07
                  All your reasoning is far-fetched. We cannot, and no one can, definitely state what NATO will fight and how. We know for sure that it is a bloc with huge military-industrial and human resources. Conclusions based on wishes are very expensive. The example of Ukraine with flowers is indicative.
                  1. +1
                    4 July 2025 17: 38
                    Which of my arguments are far-fetched? Is NATO ready to die in the thousands? It is not. And if the enemy is not ready to die, then he will not be able to win. Or are you ready to confirm that NATO members, like sailors, are ready to lay down their souls and minds for their freedom? Go ahead and describe to me how they will do it. And as for the huge military-industrial resources, Russia makes 2-5 times more shells than all of NATO. NATO has incredible power. And as for human resources, civilized people are not ready to go on meat assaults. How it worked for Russia, Wagner and Ruina. So huge human resources would rather become cancer than go for meat. And as for desires, everyone has them. Including you, to bring down Russia. But, sorry, reality is different.
                    1. 0
                      4 July 2025 20: 28
                      Quote: South American Golden Frog
                      Is Nata ready to die by the thousands? Not ready.

                      Is this not out of thin air? Once again, no one can say for sure. It may well be that there are people there who will go to war with us for all sorts of perks. Once again, we have already bet on the fact that they won't be able to... But they could, they have been able to for four years now. About the economy, it's complete nonsense. There is no way Russia can compete with them in terms of the number of factories or technology. It's just that a sluggish conflict is beneficial to them for our grinding down. I would like to emphasize that planning should be based on the most negative scenario, then there will be fewer surprises and bloodshed. And I didn't drink to each other to point fingers.
          2. -3
            28 June 2025 00: 13
            So everyone is happy that they woke up and decided to increase the production of weapons several times. But what are they afraid of if Russia is wearing down?
            1. +2
              28 June 2025 09: 19
              Quote: malyvalv
              Why are you afraid if Russia is shrinking?

              You need to explain to your people the reason for building up your forces. Now, under the noise, they are arming themselves and it is not known what and who will present to whom. The West is a predator, with the corresponding behavior. They do not attack strong prey, but to chase, make it lose strength, and then attack, is quite an idea.
              1. -1
                28 June 2025 12: 49
                Are we sharpening our nuclear triad to attack us? The reason for the build-up of weapons in Europe and the propaganda of the threat from Russia is connected with the problems of the unity of NATO and the EU. They need a bond.
                Initially, they were counting exclusively on the economy and internal instability. Including on the doomsayers - the turbopatriots.
                1. +3
                  28 June 2025 12: 57
                  Quote: malyvalv
                  Are we getting our nuclear triad ready to attack us?

                  Well, they are trying to grind it down slowly but surely, because this is not the first blow they have dealt to this triad. Just don't say that it was all Ukraine.
                  1. -1
                    28 June 2025 13: 38
                    If we are talking about Tu-95, then the goals and objectives were set in NATO without a doubt. The Ukrainian GUR could have used such sabotage with much greater benefit for conducting its own military operations. But to raise the level of escalation on our part, try to prove that it is NATO. Russia's policy remains unchanged for now. While Russia is moving towards victory, albeit very slowly, no one will raise the level of escalation. Although it is high time.
                2. 0
                  29 June 2025 10: 03
                  Quote: malyvalv
                  Are we getting our nuclear triad ready to attack us?

                  A strike on a missile warning radar, the destruction of a large number of strategists (due to their small number and the impossibility of reproduction), isn't this the wearing down of nuclear deterrent forces? Here the question is not so much about the presence of nuclear weapons, but about the testicles for their use at the X hour. Looking back, I have no such confidence in our capabilities.
                  1. 0
                    29 June 2025 20: 47
                    What happened to the radar? Does it not work? It is not so easy to disable the early warning system, I have seen them up close. Most of the actions of the Ukrainian authorities are aimed not at purely military consequences but at psychological ones. We need another "Prigozhin" with cries of "How long!" heading towards Moscow.
    2. -1
      27 June 2025 05: 37
      According to the author's logic, Kaliningrad and those who sympathize with him should also be surrendered - it's just a hassle, and at the same time St. Petersburg - to hell with it!
      In general, according to the "true patriots", we need an autarkic Russia within the Golden Ring, with a small professional army and shopping malls. But in this territory, you can chat about bonds and hold comic economic forums in the style of stand-up.
    3. +12
      27 June 2025 05: 51
      Quote: malyvalv
      If our frigate is destroyed by the US, then it's war. And the destroyers and the aircraft carrier group will be immediately hit by special warheads.

      I've heard this somewhere before, about symmetrical responses to enemies! But have they ever existed?
      1. -2
        27 June 2025 05: 53
        Are you sure you want to see a nuclear war involving Russia with your own eyes?
        1. +10
          27 June 2025 05: 57
          Quote: malyvalv
          Are you sure you want to see a nuclear war involving Russia with your own eyes?

          What are you talking about? Responsibility for a downed plane, for a sunken cruiser, for deliveries of long-range missiles, for blown up streams, stolen gold and foreign currency reserves.... was it necessarily nuclear or none? We are talking about symmetry.
          On the contrary, it is precisely this lack of response that brings us closer to nuclear Armageddon.
          1. -10
            27 June 2025 06: 59
            Türkiye and Ukraine are not nuclear states. Long-range missiles are not flying yet.
            The doctrine states that a nuclear response will be against a country with nuclear weapons. The US is one of them.
          2. +2
            27 June 2025 08: 19
            Quote: Stas157
            The responsibility for the downed plane, for the sunken cruiser, for the supply of long-range missiles, for the blown up streams, the stolen gold and foreign currency reserves.... was there necessarily a nuclear one or none?

            It's been standing in the DPRK for 60 years already ARRESTED US Navy ship.
            There has been no nuclear or other response from the US.
            They just wiped themselves off and that's it.
            1. -1
              28 June 2025 00: 05
              Wiped away? Yeah, right. How did the DPRK live all these 60 years? Until it got nuclear weapons?
              In 1979, Iran captured the US embassy. Then the US failed to liberate it. And there was no response either. Neither nuclear nor any other. Only the US is still bombing Iran. Because Iran never got the hang of nuclear weapons.
    4. +11
      27 June 2025 06: 16
      Quote: malyvalv
      If our frigate is destroyed by the US, then it's war. And the destroyers and the aircraft carrier group will be immediately hit by special warheads.

      Holy naivety. You will be informed that there was a bang and unplanned smoke followed by a negative ascent. They will also express concern.
      1. -4
        27 June 2025 07: 04
        How you imagine the development of such a situation does not matter much. What is more important is how those who want to sink our frigate imagine the development of such a situation. They doubt that it will be just a matter of concern. Otherwise, we would have been bombed like Iran long ago.
        1. +2
          27 June 2025 07: 56
          Quote: malyvalv
          More importantly, how this situation will develop is imagined by those who want to sink our frigate.

          You are absolutely right. Therefore, there will be no open attacks. If they do decide, it will be either "under the flag of Ukraine", or a sabotage by no one knows who and how.
          1. -3
            27 June 2025 08: 05
            Sabotage activities make sense when you are already waging a war and they assist actions on the main front.
            1. 0
              27 June 2025 08: 06
              Quote: malyvalv
              Sabotage activities make sense when you are already waging a war and they assist actions on the main front.

              Not necessarily. You can reduce activity in this way so as not to "interfere with the process"
              In the end, no one will condemn the actions of "Ukrainian saboteurs" in the Mediterranean Sea.
              1. 0
                28 June 2025 00: 21
                This “non-condemnation” leads to the fact that NATO’s rotten double standards are visible to everyone and strengthens our relations with friendly countries.
                Even in Europe itself, many countries have already gone nuts over the lawlessness of double standards. Hungary, Slovakia, and now Spain.
    5. +5
      27 June 2025 07: 15
      Quote: malyvalv
      Our main sea trade routes pass through there and they need to be protected.

      Protect from whom? From Somali pirates?
      And NATO is pointless and useless. Because there has been no free trade for a long time. The straits can be closed under any ecological pretext. And the navy will not open them even if it wanted to.
      We already live in a different world.
      1. +2
        27 June 2025 07: 18
        Well, in the Baltic our fleet suddenly turned out to be not pointless and not useless. Although NATO is all around there. There are many options for using the fleet when it is in the right place at the right time. And there are no options at all if there is no fleet.
        1. +4
          27 June 2025 07: 25
          The Baltic is our coastal sea. You don't understand the difference with the Mediterranean?
          1. -2
            27 June 2025 07: 33
            I understand. That's why we need a naval base in the Mediterranean Sea, to reduce this difference or even eliminate it.
            1. +2
              27 June 2025 08: 57
              The Bosphorus won't allow it. And it will make the game not worth the candle.
              1. -2
                27 June 2025 23: 52
                This, of course, must also be taken into account. A certain number of ships must be there permanently. As was actually the case in Tartus.
    6. +6
      27 June 2025 09: 06
      Quote: malyvalv
      It is unclear what this reasoning about our frigate against US destroyers or the entire 7th fleet is for. If our frigate is destroyed by the US, then it is war. And special warheads will immediately fly at the destroyers and the aircraft carrier group.

      Are you sure that our gerontocracy is capable of a decisive response? Practice shows that our most terrible weapon is the cry of Yaroslavna in the form of Zakharova's speeches.
      1. -3
        28 June 2025 00: 11
        So you think that the decision to enter into a direct armed conflict with Ukraine, supported by all of NATO, is not decisive enough?
        So far, the analysis of the situation shows that victory will remain with Russia one way or another, there will be no escalation. But if the situation changes so much that our victory is in question, then we can and should expect escalation from our side. And then we will definitely not rust.
        1. +1
          28 June 2025 09: 12
          Quote: malyvalv
          So you think that the decision to enter into a direct armed conflict with Ukraine, supported by all of NATO, is not decisive enough?

          Well, to begin with, the nature of the beginning of the BD and the deployment of forces, gives me the opportunity to assume that there was no expectation of any BD. There was confidence in the Crimean scenario. Moreover, I think that NATO's decisive support of Ukraine was a shock for our grandfathers. I draw this conclusion from chaotic statements about some lines and ignoring their intersection. Yes, a lot of things confirm my assumptions. Your confidence in some answer is not confirmed by a single example from past experience.
          1. -3
            28 June 2025 12: 43
            The war in Ukraine is also a response to NATO expansion. The plan was that the Ukrainian army itself would be destroyed immediately. Which is what happened. They immediately rushed to Istanbul. If it weren't so, why did they go there?
            The main red line, without any chaos, was about non-interference of foreign troops in the conflict. And it has not been violated to this day. Although it is clear how they want to cross this line.
            I wonder what you mean by a more decisive response. Go straight to nuclear weapons and a full-scale war with NATO?
            1. 0
              28 June 2025 21: 34
              Quote: malyvalv
              The war in Ukraine is also a response to NATO expansion

              What a weak answer, don't you think? Especially since this isn't a war, but, God forgive me, a military conflict.
              1. -2
                29 June 2025 20: 37
                NATO doesn't think so. They are still in shock and keep whining that their GDP is 25 times bigger and they will definitely win.
                Well, I've already collected some minuses here on this all-dooming Uryakal forum. That means I wrote everything correctly.
            2. 0
              29 June 2025 09: 57
              Quote: malyvalv
              The main red line, without any chaos, was non-interference of foreign troops in the conflict.

              I don't know where you got the term "main red line". The first line was, if memory serves, the supply of ammunition, then artillery, then air defense systems, and the last was aviation. Then they stopped painting, realizing that no one was afraid of them and they didn't look very good with their threats. The Ukrainian Armed Forces were not immediately routed, the bulk of them were sitting in Donbass, preparing for the final resolution of this issue. We struck where they weren't expected, and brought chaos into their management at the first stage. But we didn't have enough forces to continue the pressure and consolidate. Then what happened happened. And here the question is who was in a greater hurry to get to Istanbul.
              1. -1
                29 June 2025 20: 43
                There were 2 official red lines. Intervention in the conflict and supply of long-range missiles. The rest is your fantasy and the imagination of your colleagues on this forum. Or give who and how and when drew the other official red lines. Maybe I missed something.
                Ukraine hurried to Minsk and then to Istanbul after a couple of weeks of the SVO. Because the defeat was obvious. It was we who forced them then. Now in 25 they were forced again, but not by us but by Trump.
  7. -11
    27 June 2025 04: 38
    And who, in fact, is stopping us from turning to a Mediterranean country where there is a democratically elected government, where there is no civil war going on (and no expected civil war), and discussing mutually beneficial cooperation with this government?
    The result will be definitely positive. It is simply not necessary by definition to elect another Assad again
    1. +15
      27 June 2025 04: 48
      The result will be definitely positive.
      - Thanks, I had a laugh laughing
      1. +3
        27 June 2025 07: 36
        The result will be definitely positive.
        - thanks, I had a good laugh laughing

        + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    2. +10
      27 June 2025 05: 38
      turn to a Mediterranean country with a democratically elected government.... and discuss mutually beneficial cooperation with that government?


      I didn't even have to look at the atlas. I know from memory that there is not a single Mediterranean country that would agree to such cooperation at the present time. We don't even remember the European countries, and of the African countries, only Algeria allows our military ships to enter, but only to replenish their water and fruit supplies, but the country's constitution prohibits having foreign bases on its territory. Egypt has long been firmly under the US, Morocco is an open enemy and has already transferred all of its old Soviet weapons to Ukraine with the start of the Second World War. Haftar in Libya, despite all the external support, has not been able to lead the country and is considered a rebel at the UN level against the officially recognized government in Tripoli.
      It sounds funny, but perhaps the most realistic option is to come to an agreement with Israel... for good money. But it won't work to deceive the Jews and such a base won't survive a day if something happens....
      1. +6
        27 June 2025 07: 24
        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
        It sounds funny, but perhaps the most realistic option to reach an agreement with Israel...

        Yes, it sounds like a Jewish joke!
        1. 0
          27 June 2025 16: 48
          Quote: Good evil
          It sounds funny, but perhaps the most realistic option to reach an agreement with Israel...
          Yes, it sounds like a Jewish joke!

          We supplied weapons to Egypt. Egypt resupplied these weapons to the mujahideen. We supplied weapons to Syria. As a result, Islamists allied with terrorist groups opposing Russia and China are in power there. We supplied weapons to India, Serbia and Bulgaria. Now these countries supply Ukraine with ammunition. Israel is less hostile to Russia than the Czech Republic and Bulgaria, something between India and Serbia, although of course it is not as valuable as the DPRK and China. But we are not such a valuable partner for Israel as, for example, India, Azerbaijan or China.
    3. +2
      27 June 2025 08: 23
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      a Mediterranean country where there is a democratically elected government, where there is no civil war going on (and no expected civil war), and to discuss mutually beneficial cooperation with this government?

      Italy just asked why the US didn't use nuclear weapons against Russia, Foantsia request pieces of Yugoslavia - nonsense, Greece belay , Spain has more or less adequate authorities - but they are afraid,
      This is where the democratically elected authorities of the states in the Mediterranean ended....
  8. +16
    27 June 2025 04: 38
    Hayat Tahrir al-Sham went on the offensive and on December 8, Damascus was taken by them. 12 days.

    You have to be able to do that. To fight for Syria for so many years (nobody knows why yet), and to lose everything in 12 days. Geopolitics of the highest order!

    But most of all we need a reliable airfield with a large runway.

    Iran. Africa. Syria doesn't count anymore.
    1. +4
      27 June 2025 05: 44
      No need for all this. Various planes, ships, tanks. The author said - drones - period. Well, also scooters and plastic bags. In general, everything for grinding!
    2. -7
      27 June 2025 08: 26
      Quote: Stas157
      You have to be able to do that. To fight for Syria for so many years (nobody knows why yet), and to lose everything in 12 days. Geopolitics of the highest order!

      Are you talking about Afghanistan? It's not clear why you went there, as soon as you finished selling free stuff there, the regime ended.
      The usual story of governments - sitting on bayonets and not supported by the people
      1. +2
        27 June 2025 08: 50
        Quote: your1970
        Are you talking about Afghanistan?? It is not known why they went there, as soon as they finished selling free stuff there, the regime ended.

        What does Afghanistan have to do with it? The analogy with Syria is inappropriate. Afghanistan became unnecessary (unlike Syria) and we left there ourselves. It was a completely controlled process. In Syria, everything is different.
        We are still there. And they are quietly asking us to leave. The naval base. We do not manage or control the situation there, but are entirely dependent on the new bearded rulers of Syria.
    3. +3
      27 June 2025 09: 30
      Quote: Stas157
      Geopolitics of the highest order!

      It always turns out that way when a checkers player sits down to play chess with a chess grandmaster.
      1. 0
        28 June 2025 21: 41
        Quote: qqqq
        This is when a checkers lover sat down to play chess

        Judging by the results, this amateur is not very good with checkers either.
        1. 0
          29 June 2025 10: 06
          Quote: Practitioner23354df
          Judging by the results, this amateur is not very good with checkers either.

          Still, in my opinion, he can play checkers, at an amateur level. It just looks pathetic compared to chess grandmasters. The only chance to win in such a situation is to hit him on the head with a board, but that's out of the realm of fantasy.
  9. -6
    27 June 2025 04: 39
    Quote: Epifantsev Sergey
    Now it's worth not bothering, while this is going on, all this is not important. It will end, then we will decide what to do with all this. There is no need to extradite Assad. After all, this will spoil our image, which has suffered seriously lately.

    Assad arrived quietly in a transport plane, and he can also fly away quietly.
  10. +12
    27 June 2025 04: 40
    You have to leave quietly, and take everything you own, everything you can, even if it's lying around badly, I would ruin the runway at the airport, the bandits don't need it. I wouldn't say never, our government loves loud slogans, and unfortunately there's nothing behind them.
    1. +3
      27 June 2025 05: 14
      Damage the runway? How? It's just concrete. And easily fixed by a team of workers. Although the mujahideen are unlikely to need it.
      Of course, all the equipment needs to be removed.
      1. +1
        27 June 2025 07: 39
        Although the mujahideen are unlikely to need this.

        but the striped ones can quickly take over and "official Damascus" won't open its mouth.
  11. +14
    27 June 2025 04: 40
    Author, why are you raising this issue? You were told: "everything is going according to plan." This is truly a "great victory for our Foreign Ministry and the President personally," there is no need to be so surprised, another "brilliant multi-move" has simply ended.. It was clear after the death of the first and ninth and the defeat of Wagner that Assad's regime would fall and we would have to get out of Syria. But Vladimir Vladimirovich said: "now is not the time to look for the guilty," and I completely agree with him.
    1. -11
      27 June 2025 05: 18
      It's funny you're stretching the Wagner rebellion onto Syria, but the owl will burst laughing
      1. +3
        27 June 2025 12: 22
        It's funny, it's funny... It's like looking at an owl and Syria. The main work was done by Wagner and aviation. I have a friend who took Palmyra twice, he has the Order of Courage for that Palmyra. While Wagner controlled Syria, no military formations would have been needed, only police. But our "talented" generals wanted to "eat their cake and eat it" - to take away Wagner's laurels of victory and take away Syrian assets. So Wagner was defeated and they were kicked out of Syria. For some reason I keep remembering Saddam, his generals also loved money more than their commander-in-chief.
        1. -3
          27 June 2025 16: 29
          Wagner was created and destroyed by Prigozhin, he was a talented man, but apparently he became a star from his success, so he was grounded.
    2. -8
      27 June 2025 08: 28
      Quote: fiberboard
      This is truly a "big victory for our Foreign Ministry and the President personally", no need to be so surprised, it just ended

      Are you talking about Afghanistan and the USSR?
  12. +4
    27 June 2025 04: 46
    It is interesting that the author did not provide any information about the withdrawal of the Russian Navy’s SZ flotilla.
    Insider information is also not visible.

    Well, on the other hand... the dramatic confrontation between our frigate and the "old" UAV - against the newest US destroyers... more than ensured the completeness and clarity of the material.
    1. +1
      27 June 2025 07: 43
      Quote: Feodor13
      It is interesting that the author did not provide any information about the withdrawal of the Russian Navy’s SZ flotilla.
      Insider information is also not visible.

      And where should he base himself now?

      Quote: Feodor13
      Well, on the other hand... a dramatic confrontation between our frigate and the "old" UAV - against the newest US destroyers...

      Do you think that in reality it’s the other way around?

      Or maybe there is no confrontation, in your opinion? And our frigate is at ease there?
      1. 0
        27 June 2025 08: 45
        I responded with a comment on the lack of any information about the location of the SZ flotilla ships (could you have mentioned where they are now?), and hypothetical reasoning about the battle of ships, far from the title of the article. Started with the fleet, jumped to aviation. Everything is plastered with photos from the Internet. I've only been here for three years, but the degradation of this author's material is visible even after three years. The person does not have basic decency towards readers.

        If there is no information, then the title and structure of the presentation must be changed. Even the title is contradictory. If the question is, why the last page..?
  13. +9
    27 June 2025 04: 54
    To begin with, I personally don't care what's going on abroad, much less on other continents. Whether the people there have something to eat or how to defend their country - I don't care. The main thing is that the borders of my country are locked and there is something to eat at home, like my own house or apartment. I don't see anything growing abroad or produced there that needs to be dragged to my place. In a country that has almost all the minerals, making your own computer is no problem. We can certainly live without foreign food products. As a result, military bases abroad are always unnecessary and useless 99% of the time. Knowledge can be given to people. Technology too. Building something somewhere else is a waste of money and, most importantly, a waste of time. Dragging everyone to your place is also unnecessary. Even ordinary tourists are not needed here. Even if you downvote, but building a fleet at public expense so that a private owner can calmly take absolutely everything out of his house - WHY?! Traders are like alcoholics or drug addicts in other countries - only a dose of money flies into the account. And this is not curable. We extract and sell raw materials and then sign contracts that we will deliver it all on time and at our own expense - this is stupid. The only thing stupider is to transport food products around the country that almost every region has its own. Like milk, meat, eggs and much more. All perishables first of all. Here you just have to go shopping and study the geography - it looks funny sometimes. More precisely, very often. Developing a business to the point of eliminating competitors in the country without thinking about logistics is simply idiotic. And here they are trying to fight for territories that they will not be able to control anyway - this applies to all countries. No one remembers or even knows history.
    1. +2
      27 June 2025 05: 28
      Thank you, I completely agree with you. I also gave you pluses for the previous comments, which were all to the point and constructive. hi
    2. +2
      27 June 2025 07: 30
      Quote: Victor Alien
      To begin with, I personally don't care what's going on abroad, and especially on other continents. Whether the people there have something to eat or something to defend their country with - I don't care. The main thing is that the borders of my country are locked and there is something to eat at home, like my own house or apartment.

      You reason apolitically, darAgoy! (C) But that's right...
    3. +2
      27 June 2025 07: 44
      the borders of my country were locked

      The borders of our Motherland were locked when there were bases in Tartus, Bizerte, Aden, Luanda, Camrane and Cuba, the troops were stationed in the center of Europe, as soon as the bases disappeared, Kursk immediately became a border city, with all the consequences.
  14. +17
    27 June 2025 04: 55
    What is stopping them from creating an Alawite government in Tartus with a local army of Assad's military? request
    Where there is a will, there is always a way out... Syria needs to be broken up following the example of the US and its proxies.
    The Kremlin's toothlessness is sometimes astonishing.
    1. -9
      27 June 2025 05: 22
      And how much will it cost? Plus how much weapons will be needed to supply this army and the navy that will deliver all this from Russia?
      1. +5
        27 June 2025 05: 26
        Quote: Mars
        And how much will it cost? Plus how much weapons will be needed to supply this army and the navy that will deliver all this from Russia?

        Not at all...there are weapons and ammunition in the warehouses of Assad's former army...local resources must be used...the Americans are pumping oil out of Syria, the sale of which is used to arm the Kurds. request
        Why does Russia have to pay for everything?
        As one famous American Russophobe said...we must fight against Russia at its expense, with someone else's hands, on its territory...the leadership of Russia and our army must transfer this same principle to our opponents, or at least learn to do so. hi
        1. -3
          27 June 2025 05: 30
          I don’t think there are many unattended weapons and ammunition in Tartus, and all the resources are also occupied by someone, either HTS militants, or the Kurds, or ISIS.
          1. +8
            27 June 2025 05: 32
            Quote: Mars
            I don’t think there are many unattended weapons and ammunition in Tartus, and all the resources are also occupied by someone, either HTS militants, or the Kurds, or ISIS.

            And who is to blame for this...the moment of anarchy in Syria was stupidly missed by our leadership...what can I say...there was no plan B in case of force majeure. request
            1. -1
              27 June 2025 05: 38
              It is not clear at all how it is possible to create an army in a country captured by HTS militants, they would obviously quickly stop this business. If an Alawite army is to be created, then in another country, but this will require years and weapons worth billions of dollars.
              1. +6
                27 June 2025 05: 42
                Quote: Mars
                It is generally unclear how it is possible to create an army in a country captured by HTS militants; they would obviously quickly stop this business. If

                What's not clear here... create a bug-infested city like pro-Turkish Homs, pump it full of weapons, instructors, scouts and at one fine moment release thirty thousand trained fighters to seize key places in Syria... all the technologies have already been worked out by the Turks and Americans.
                1. -2
                  27 June 2025 06: 02
                  The Turks have been creating a bug-infested place in Idlib for years, financing, arming and even using a regular army for combat operations. But it is easier for them to have the border nearby, while we have to bring everything from overseas, it is unrealistic.
                  1. +8
                    27 June 2025 06: 09
                    These are all technical difficulties; for example, this does not prevent the Americans from supporting the Kurds.
                    However, such issues require detailed study at all levels. what
                    1. -4
                      27 June 2025 06: 15
                      Billions have been poured into the Kurds, plus they are providing air support, but there are no results.
                      1. +4
                        27 June 2025 06: 17
                        Quote: Mars
                        Billions have been poured into the Kurds, plus they are providing air support, but there are no results.

                        This is because the neighbors do not want the formation of Kurdistan... such a suspended situation can continue for a very long time... but for the US it is convenient... at any moment it is possible to destabilize the situation in the country in its own interests.
                      2. +1
                        27 June 2025 06: 21
                        So everyone else will be against Alavistan, maybe it would be better for us to focus on the SVO, and not on some Syria.
                  2. 0
                    27 June 2025 16: 56
                    Quote: Mars
                    The Turks have been creating a bug-infested place in Idlib for years, financing, arming and even using a regular army to fight.

                    The Turks are actively looking for their allies all over the world. 5 years ago they relied on the Uyghurs, giving them a residence permit. This year, it seems the Turks have become disillusioned with the Uyghurs and now the Crimean Tatars are their priority nation. Kazan Tatars in Turkey are considered loyal to Russia.
                    1. VlK
                      0
                      27 June 2025 17: 16
                      for Crimean Tatars in Turkey educational programs have been in place since the 90s, they approach this issue thoroughly
                2. +3
                  27 June 2025 07: 54
                  release about thirty thousand trained fighters to seize key places in Syria...

                  Somehow, over the last 10 years, they couldn't even prepare the Syrian Arab Army, and what about some hypothetical thirty thousand fighters? Where to get them, these 30 thousand, when there was the whole SAA right next door?
                  Moreover, what motivation will they have?
      2. +2
        27 June 2025 07: 06
        Quote: Mars
        And how much will that cost?

        We should have thought about this before they started building military bases there and fighting for Assad.
    2. 0
      27 June 2025 07: 32
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What is stopping them from creating an Alawite government in Tartus with a local army of Assad's military?

      Why the hell do you need it?
    3. +2
      27 June 2025 08: 11
      The lack of state interests is a hindrance. And the priority of the pocket. Down there they are already counting the money.
    4. 0
      27 June 2025 08: 32
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What is stopping the creation of an Alawite government in Tartus with a local army of Assad's military

      In case you haven't noticed, Assad's army surrendered at jet speed (if not hypersonic).
      Therefore, it is easier to throw away or burn money than to spend it on these runners.
    5. 0
      27 June 2025 23: 53
      Tell them to add the Kurds there and invite the Houthis. And to top it off - the DPRK. Like the DPRK will control them. That's where the beam will be in NATO's ass, not in its eye...
  15. +4
    27 June 2025 05: 07
    Quote: Victor Alien
    To begin with, I personally don't care what's going on abroad, much less on other continents. Whether the people there have something to eat or how to defend their country - I don't care. The main thing is that the borders of my country are locked and there is something to eat at home, like my own house or apartment. I don't see anything growing abroad or produced there that needs to be dragged to my place. In a country that has almost all the minerals, making your own computer is no problem. We can certainly live without foreign food products. As a result, military bases abroad are always unnecessary and useless 99% of the time. Knowledge can be given to people. Technology too. Building something somewhere else is a waste of money and, most importantly, a waste of time. Dragging everyone to your place is also unnecessary. Even ordinary tourists are not needed here. Even if you downvote, but building a fleet at public expense so that a private owner can calmly take absolutely everything out of his house - WHY?! Traders are like alcoholics or drug addicts in other countries - only a dose of money flies into the account. And this is not curable. We extract and sell raw materials and then sign contracts that we will deliver it all on time and at our own expense - this is stupid. The only thing stupider is to transport food products around the country that almost every region has its own. Like milk, meat, eggs and much more. All perishables first of all. Here you just have to go shopping and study the geography - it looks funny sometimes. More precisely, very often. Developing a business to the point of eliminating competitors in the country without thinking about logistics is simply idiotic. And here they are trying to fight for territories that they will not be able to control anyway - this applies to all countries. No one remembers or even knows history.

    This all started long before 2015, when PMCs helped squeeze oil wells from the wrong owners in favor of the right ones. Such PMCs are scattered today across half of the countries in Africa
  16. +11
    27 June 2025 05: 19
    We do not have a recession, I can assure you. We have a planned cooling of the economy. Because by heating up certain industries, we saw an acceleration of inflation. And together with the Central Bank, we took measures for a planned cooling of the economy
    (Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov on air on RT international TV channel.)

    We will soon lose the economy, and Skomorokhov is worried about some base.
    1. +6
      27 June 2025 06: 00
      Quote: Amateur
      We will soon lose the economy, and Skomorokhov is worried about some base

      Syria may be far from Afghanistan in terms of spending, but Russia is far from the USSR in Brezhnev's times in terms of economic potential. It is necessary to be able to correctly assess the country's capabilities and determine priorities.
      And with Syria we were just lucky. Because if Assad had not been overthrown, we would have had to come up with reasons to abandon the bases there ourselves.
    2. +1
      27 June 2025 07: 34
      Quote: Amateur
      We will soon lose the economy, and Skomorokhov is worried about some base.

      Does he worry about the base?
    3. -2
      27 June 2025 07: 36
      Well, if you compare it with the German economy, they have been in recession for the third year and they are doing okay somehow.
      1. 0
        27 June 2025 07: 39
        Do you know what my grandmother used to say when we stood in line for bread during Khrushchev's time? "It doesn't matter that there isn't enough bread. The main thing is that there is no war."
        1. -8
          27 June 2025 07: 43
          There is a war, but there are no queues for bread and there won't be any, Russia is now the number 1 exporter of wheat in the world. Khrushchev simply didn't have any brains and he could have given Crimea to the khokhlys instead of raising agriculture so that people wouldn't have to stand in queues.
          1. -1
            27 June 2025 08: 34
            Quote: Mars
            improve agriculture so that people don't have to stand in lines.

            To do this, the population must either be financially interested or flogged. There are no other ways.....
            Stalin tried to interest them financially through artels, Khrushchev decided that it was more profitable to flog (tax on trees, "they'll hang a lantern and make them mow at night", etc.)
            1. -11
              27 June 2025 08: 38
              In the end, only Putin managed to ensure food security. Now we export more food than we import.
            2. -1
              27 June 2025 17: 13
              Quote: your1970
              Khrushchev decided that it was more profitable to flog

              Khrushchev just abolished flogging. Under Khrushchev, they stopped jailing collective farmers for not having the required number of sticks (worked days on the collective farm). In addition, the birth rate in the country decreased and a struggle began between the army, industry and collective farms for human resources. People fled from the collective farms to the KGB, and the daughters of KGB officers rushed to work as agronomists and doctors in the village.
    4. +1
      28 June 2025 09: 55
      Quote: Amateur
      We are not in a recession, I can assure you. We are in a planned cooling of the economy.

      Yeah. We don't have inflation, we have planned price increases. Siluanov is great. He's inventing a new economic language.
  17. 0
    27 June 2025 05: 21
    The author of the article wrote correctly, we lost an entire country... It's bitter, of course, but we must face the truth and prepare to rise from the ashes like a phoenix.
  18. +1
    27 June 2025 05: 43
    If you look at the history of our naval presence in the Mediterranean starting with Catherine the Second, how many times have we lost the Mediterranean? In the Crimean War, in WWI, in the Civil War and WWII, now when Turkey has blocked the strait for the nearest passage of our warships to the Mediterranean.
    So we need to wipe away our tears, restore the greatness of the country and then return to where we need to go. To begin with, return the shores of the Gulf of Finland and the passage through the Bosphorus. But first, defeat the fascist state of Ukraine.
  19. +10
    27 June 2025 06: 06
    With Syria it turned out really bad - Ukraine was exchanged for Syria in one go. As a result: no Syria, no Ukraine. That was a "cunning plan", yeah.
    1. +3
      27 June 2025 07: 14
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The result: no Syria, no Ukraine.

      On the distant approaches, terrorists have taken our base. And on the near ones, they are launching hundreds of UAVs into our rear and destroying infrastructure. And when this will stop, no one knows.
  20. +3
    27 June 2025 06: 08
    In the current situation and with the current government, this departure is probably justified.
  21. 0
    27 June 2025 06: 12
    the author is not telling the whole story when he writes that the last page of our fleet's Mediterranean squadron has now been turned. The article doesn't say a word about the fact that in the USSR, when conflicts were raging around the Mediterranean Sea, it was then that the 5th Operational Squadron of the USSR Navy was created in the USSR Navy. A powerful group of ships, both above and below water with their floating bases and support vessels, were constantly on duty in the Mediterranean Sea. I don't know about the submarines there, but surface ships would go on combat duty to the Mediterranean squadron for six months. Thanks to this squadron, the 6th US fleet was "removed" from supporting Israel during the conflict between the Jews and the Arabs in 1973. But with the coming to power of Gorbachev-Yeltsin, they began to close page after page of that 5% Mediterranean squadron. Then the Eltsinites in power came to their senses and began to create something in the Mediterranean Sea in the early twenties, but what to create it from, if with the coming to power of their idols Gorbachev and Yeltsin, all four fleets of Russia were actually screwed. That's what should be put at the head of the article - the preamble, that the Mediterranean Squadron was created by the USSR Navy as a powerful page of our fleet in the Mediterranean Sea, and they began to close this page with the coming to power of the idols of the current government - Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Otherwise, it might create the impression that it was the current government that "invented" the Mediterranean Squadron. No, it only finally screwed up the XNUMXth Mediterranean Squadron created by the USSR Navy in Brezhnev's time, and which was a very strong argument for the USSR near the Middle East and even near all sorts of "Turkeys" ...
    1. +2
      27 June 2025 07: 24
      Quote: north 2
      A powerful group of ships, both above and below water, with their floating bases and support vessels, were constantly on duty in the Mediterranean Sea at that time.

      At that time, this group did not have a single specialized headquarters ship of the Blue Ridge type, and the squadron headquarters jumped from one ship that was not suitable for this purpose to another, itself finding itself in terrible conditions and disturbing the crew with its presence.
      This group did not have a single specialized supply ship, because the Berezina appeared in a single copy much later. And I don't think there was a hospital ship either.
      So it was a so-so squadron. With anchorage points, the barrels of which had to be guarded so that they wouldn't be stolen or sunk.
    2. +1
      28 June 2025 10: 04
      Quote: north 2
      all sorts of "Turkeys"...

      You should be more careful with your tone and wording. Türkiye is an extremely dangerous enemy for us now. We have been unable to defeat the Sumerians with half the population and a GDP several times smaller for 4 years now.
  22. +10
    27 June 2025 06: 35
    Russia is a unique self-sufficient continental country, the population and leadership of which still cannot fully understand and comprehend this, clearly and distinctly, with all the ensuing consequences. We cannot even formulate our national interests not only in the Mediterranean, but also in such an ephemeral concept as the "distant ocean zone". What are Russia's national interests in the Mediterranean? There are none.
    Protecting fisheries? We can't provide it right under our noses in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and the fish in our stores is more expensive than in Paris or Norway. We eat harmful artificially bred trout. Why protect such fisheries? Maybe we've had enough of Kamchatka crabs? No, that's not it either. We feed them to the Japanese and Koreans.
    Do we ensure freedom of navigation? Well, we have a mere pittance of a merchant fleet. And we are not able to ensure freedom of trade.
    All that remains is to show off the flag. Visits, parades. And one's toothlessness.
    We will not return to the Mediterranean. Certainly not in our lifetime. There is nothing to do there.
    1. +2
      27 June 2025 06: 46
      Quote: Silhouette
      Nothing to do there
      That's it...
    2. 0
      27 June 2025 08: 36
      At the moment, the Baltic Fleet ships are providing that very freedom of navigation
    3. +1
      28 June 2025 10: 07
      Quote: Silhouette
      Maybe they ate their fill of Kamchatka crabs? No, that's not it either. We feed them to the Japanese and Koreans.

      This is normal. The same Somalia, if memory serves, exports food, despite the fact that they themselves do not have enough food. Capitalism is not about your wants and dreams, it is about the wants and dreams of the capitalist. Therefore, our capitalists will calmly sell food tomorrow while you are dying of hunger, if circumstances allow them.
  23. -2
    27 June 2025 06: 39
    Libya is in the midst of a civil war, and ensuring the safety of the base, aircraft, cargo and personnel is a very serious problem

    Benghazi and Tobruk are under the GNA and Haftar. A serious problem is the guarantee that investments in Libya will not go "into the sand" (as has already happened in Syria). Civil war is not a problem, they entered Syria tightly also in the midst of a civil war, and Assad's men were pressed to the sea and Damascus.
    Initially, we need to define in principle the tasks of our military (and naval, in particular) presence in the Mediterranean. If one of the priorities of our foreign policy remains strategic long-term military-economic support of our allied regimes in the Mediterranean region and in Africa, then we will not be able to do without naval and air bases in the region.
  24. +6
    27 June 2025 06: 43
    Yes, we have lost a lot. And we managed to do it in the shortest possible time, in a Stakhanovite way. We have lost bases. We have lost almost the entire Soviet fleet. We have lost factories. Yes, we have lost an entire country. Together with the past and authority on the world stage.
    Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair ...
    I completely agree with this article by Roman! hi Stretch your legs on clothes!
  25. +3
    27 June 2025 06: 43
    As for the Northern and Pacific fleets, their presence in the Mediterranean Sea looks... out of place.

    5 OPESK was not created to support Papa Assad. Papa Assad was created to support 5 OPESK, providing the Tartus base in particular. laughing
    And the OPESK itself was needed to prevent American deck bombers and SSBNs from striking from the Mediterranean waters.
    Now we are defenseless from this direction.

    And this is practically the only place on the 6 thousand kilometer route on the way to the Central African Republic. Or Mali. Where... However, this is a topic for another conversation, it is enough that we really need transport planes to fly there. Period.

    But here there is no full stop. Why do we need Africa and whose interests does the African Corps protect there? Ellipsis...... wink
    1. +5
      27 June 2025 07: 00
      Quote: Arzt
      And the OPESK itself was needed to prevent American deck bombers and SSBNs from striking from the Mediterranean waters.

      And what - did she cope with this task?...
      Don't make me laugh. I was there then and saw it.
      Well, to track the aircraft carriers of the 6th fleet - that's true. And to sink them if they open fire first. That is, in case of a surprise attack on the enemy.
      But here’s the question: was this possible in principle?
      Unfortunately no.
      And to prevent a salvo of American submarines from the Mediterranean Sea was only possible in reports to the Soviet people at the CPSU congresses.
      1. +3
        27 June 2025 07: 13
        And what - did she cope with this task?...
        Don't make me laugh. I was there then and saw it.
        Well, to track the aircraft carriers of the 6th fleet - that's true. And to sink them if they open fire first. That is, in case of a surprise attack on the enemy.
        But here’s the question: was this possible in principle?
        Unfortunately no.
        And to prevent a salvo of American submarines from the Mediterranean Sea was only possible in reports to the Soviet people at the CPSU congresses.

        How well she managed there - we would only find out in case of war. At least my brother followed the US ABs in the periscope for hours. Unnoticed. wink
        But it can't be compared to the current situation, that's for sure. They'll take out our entire South from there in an hour and a half. Yes

        And if we had a base there, over time, little by little, little by little... An airfield, then a couple more, a good radar wink , again all these underwater drones are developing, etc.
        For the Navy to have a piece of dry shore is a huge deal. Decisive, I would say. You can't do much fighting on barrels. wink
    2. +2
      27 June 2025 08: 41
      Quote: Arzt
      The OPESK itself was needed to prevent American deck bombers and SSBNs from striking from the Mediterranean waters.
      Now we are defenseless from this direction.

      The fact that they are in Poland, the Liminality and Finland cuts off the problem of defenselessness from the Mediterranean.
      1. 0
        28 June 2025 18: 43
        The fact that they are in Poland, the Liminality and Finland cuts off the problem of defenselessness from the Mediterranean.

        What can we use to hit from there? We can only bring in bombers. But they are visible from space.
        No, the most dangerous US nuclear weapons carriers are sea-based. Yes
    3. -5
      27 June 2025 09: 40
      Quote: Arzt
      Why do we need Africa and whose interests does the Afrika Korps protect there? Ellipsis......

      Uranium and other rare earth elements. The most important thing is not to give them to others.
      1. +5
        27 June 2025 09: 50
        Uranium and other rare earth elements. The most important thing is not to give them to others.

        It's all a hen in a nest. In reality, only bauxite comes from Guinea, but we have it too.
        And in reality, there are still 23 billion dollars of written-off debt. laughing

        Again the same old rake, politics instead of economics, wasted energy and resources, in short. Yes
        1. -3
          27 June 2025 09: 52
          Quote: Arzt
          but we have them too.

          I clarified, the main thing is not to give it to others. Uranium was taken from France, at least we are trying.
          1. +1
            27 June 2025 10: 12
            I clarified, the main thing is not to give it to others. Uranium was taken from France, at least we are trying.

            Niger, from where they are trying to push out the French company Oran - 4% of the world's production, and Kazakhstan - 43%. The French don't give a damn about this Africa, the Kazakhs and Australians will bring it to them, and their own mines are not exhausted. They will sit quietly for 20 years.

            In general, the largest African deposits are in Namibia, but the Chinese have a tight grip on everything there. The largest mine is Rössing, 68% owned by the Chinese CNUC, 15% by Iran, and the rest are small.
            1. 0
              27 June 2025 22: 31
              Where can I read about this? I remember googling it and couldn’t find any such data at all.
              1. 0
                28 June 2025 18: 31
                Where can I read about this? I remember googling it and couldn’t find any such data at all.


                Yes, the original source is best.
                https://www.rossing.com/about-us/
          2. 0
            27 June 2025 17: 20
            Quote: qqqq
            Uranium was taken away from France, at least we are trying.

            If we invest in science and technology, we can master the production of uranium from deposits that are considered unprofitable, and then Russia will have enough uranium deposits for 1000 years of intensive exploitation. Apparently, the amount is within the limits of what was spent on Libya and Syria.
            1. 0
              27 June 2025 19: 02
              Quote: gsev
              If you invest in science and technology

              This requires investment. Investments in science and technology are usually made by the state, because they are very expensive, take a long time to pay off, and there are high risks of failure. Unfortunately, since the 90s, I have not seen any clear policy towards science and, accordingly, I have not seen any scientific achievements. Until now, despite everything, the principle of better to buy than to produce prevails. The current government is not capable of meaningful investments in science, unfortunately.
              1. +2
                27 June 2025 20: 45
                Quote: qqqq
                Investments in science and technology are usually made by the state, because they are very expensive, take a long time to pay off, and have a high risk of failure.

                The budget of the Academy of Sciences in Russia for 2024 is only 6 billion rubles. Civil science expenditures are approximately 850 billion rubles per year. In total, the government spent on science this year. On the eve of the war in Karabakh, Armenian businessmen from Russia transferred about 3 billion dollars to Pashinyan's Karabakh fund. This is almost a third of the Russian government's spending on science. Compare the effectiveness of investments in the Karabakh fund and in Russian science. In 2000, Russia forgave Vietnam a debt exceeding annual spending on Russian civil science. A few days later, Vietnam bought planes in the United States with the money it saved. Russia spends money on Russian schools in Kyrgyzstan, and South Korea, through these schools, pumps out talented youth not only from Central Asia but also from Russia, investing only in the salaries of intelligence officers at its embassy in Kyrgyzstan.
        2. +1
          28 June 2025 10: 09
          Quote: Arzt
          politics instead of economics

          You're simply looking for the economy in the wrong place. This is not the economy of the state, this is the economy of the pockets of effective managers and other billionaires.
  26. +4
    27 June 2025 06: 56
    This reminded me of something from the recent past, oh, here we go! Well, these Tu 95s burned up, and God bless them, they're old already. They'll have to be scrapped anyway.
    This is from the same category, expensive, but not really necessary. As it was in one film: "What are you, son of a bitch, impostor, squandering state lands?! That way you won't have enough volosts!"
  27. +2
    27 June 2025 07: 29
    Quote: Civil
    So that's it... it turns out this base wasn't needed...

    Are the grapes green?
  28. +4
    27 June 2025 07: 33
    90% of maritime trade and Russian exports are carried out by sea. To protect this shipping, ships are needed, ships need bases! You can praise "clubs and BEKs" as much as you like, but you can't transport containers and oil on them. For a long time, the concept of "small corvettes and coastal fleet" was promoted, and now no one can answer how to use these same corvettes to conduct convoys of the shadow fleet through the English Channel and Gibraltar. Yes, perhaps there is a solution - air defense systems, missile or gun containers on board... container ships, there is also the Minotaur sonar.
  29. +1
    27 June 2025 07: 45
    12 calibers against 56 axes of just one US destroyer? Not great arithmetic.
    1. 0
      27 June 2025 08: 39
      The standard load of the Tickenderog cruiser is 26 "axes", the main force of the US is the "Arley Squirrels", but they also have all the cells redistributed between SAMs, CRs and PLURs. As always, with a bias towards SAMs. The main thing in BD is not to sink the enemy, but to damage it with the deprivation of the use of weapons.
      We must not forget our nuclear submarines, which are constantly “grazing” in the Mediterranean Sea.
  30. +7
    27 June 2025 08: 00
    It's enough that we really need transport planes to fly there. Period.
    Well, our planes flew to Africa for 10 years. What successes? What did this give to Russia, can anyone say?
    But the fact is that we lost almost 40 billion dollars in Syria and several thousand killed.
  31. +3
    27 June 2025 08: 08
    Quote: Civil
    So that's it... it turns out this base wasn't needed...

    The only question that arises is about the waste of resources from our personal wallet.
  32. +5
    27 June 2025 08: 15
    And there was a lot of shouting! Russia is getting up from its knees! Russia is concentrating! Russia is returning! Russia has only two allies...! Is there anything, other than pension reform, that the Kremlin hasn't managed to flush down the toilet?
  33. +3
    27 June 2025 08: 25
    As always, a controversial article and a good reason to think about it. Since the times of the USSR, the Mediterranean squadron has covered the southern flank from the attack of SSBNs, search and destroy AUGs and, of course, demonstrate the flag in the Mediterranean Sea. And, the MO point in Tartus was part of the wall in the harbor and a moored PM with a couple of buildings on the shore. Times change and the tasks of the Armed Forces change due to the situation in the world. The closure of the Black Sea straits, of course, affected the activities of our fleet in the Mediterranean. In addition to the time of the approach of ships from other fleets to the Mediterranean, the constant presence of the squadron gave a small chance to repel the enemies. In many ways, it was the Sevastopol naval base that was the connecting link, and not Tartus. At the current moment, the frigate "Admiral Grigorovich", other ships and submarines are forced to go to the Baltic for scheduled maintenance and repairs. The ships were provided with water, fuel and food along the way in African Spain and Algeria.
    Yes, the main naval base with the headquarters of the US 6th fleet is in Naples, and Rota is an additional base. The Americans have a very well thought out system of locating bases around the world.
    Ah, here is a loss, but while everyone is silent, the air bases in Khmeimin are certainly a blow. Our aviation mainly relied on it to control the Mediterranean Sea.
    The East is a delicate matter and it is unclear in which direction Syria will be carried, given the compact settlement of Alawites and Christians on the Mediterranean coast.
  34. +4
    27 June 2025 08: 25
    Quote: g_ae
    And there was a lot of shouting! Russia is getting up from its knees! Russia is concentrating! Russia is returning! Russia has only two allies...! Is there anything, other than pension reform, that the Kremlin hasn't managed to flush down the toilet?

    They let it all go. These scoundrels are not worthy of governing the country.
  35. +2
    27 June 2025 08: 42
    Then why were these bogeymen quickly recognized as people? Were we deceived again?!
  36. +1
    27 June 2025 08: 50
    Will Khmeimim and Tartus have to be abandoned? Then to the port and airfield of Benghazi, or negotiate with Egypt about a base.
  37. Des
    +2
    27 June 2025 09: 15
    An article "on the topic of the day"). This author often does this as if on order. Nevertheless, the presentation of information is relevant.
    How will Russia leave Syria?
    1. +1
      27 June 2025 15: 22
      Load everything onto our semi-aircraft carrier. It will do just fine as a floating barn.
  38. +6
    27 June 2025 09: 21
    Thanks to the 34-year rule of "effective managers", the Russian Federation has finally descended to the level of a regional power, but as practice shows, even in its borderlands it is no longer capable of quickly solving emerging problems, and all sorts of Bantustans do not take the Russian Federation seriously. There is no time for the Mediterranean Sea. In order to return there, it would take 20 years to reindustrialize the country and build a balanced fleet. And this is simply impossible under the current system.
  39. 0
    27 June 2025 09: 37
    A periodically appearing next article-wish how to pull a small blanket over a large pile of bare legs like before they covered themselves and on the next bed there is a huge blanket and everything under it
  40. 0
    27 June 2025 09: 42
    As always in big politics, and in domestic politics in recent years: "The beginning is good, but the continuation is bad. Either we were deceived, or we were asked, or we miscalculated." And no one is responsible for anything, there are no guilty parties.
  41. 0
    27 June 2025 09: 43
    How do we fly to Benghazi? And don't we need to cover Benghazi from the sea?
  42. +2
    27 June 2025 09: 56
    Not for us. But the experience is good. Yes, it looks, to put it mildly, not very good. I feel sorry for the servicemen who were told about helping the people of Syria. That's their job - to fight and die defending the interests of ... I don't even know how to continue in this case.
    For now we are a regional power, and even then it’s a stretch.
    And if Russia wants to be a respected power in the world - of course it needs a fleet and not only in the Middle Earth. This is a long game. In your (and my) lifetime, there is no solution to this problem in sight. The resources for this are and always have been. Even the competences are still glimmering. The main thing is not to screw it all up completely.
  43. +1
    27 June 2025 10: 06
    There are too many letters in the key "we didn't need it", as with the burnt bears. The loss of Syria for Russia is a huge failure of the entire direction, it is our defeat in the region, it is the loss of the Russian Navy base, the only one in the region. We need to say such things clearly and explicitly, and not waste words. And then punish the guilty, who always have a last name (s).
  44. -2
    27 June 2025 10: 13
    Not some vague distant shores, but very specific Kharkov, Sumy, Dnepropetrovsk, Kyiv.

    Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine
    died in an unequal air battle!
    wassat
  45. +1
    27 June 2025 10: 18
    I have a logical question for a long time. How would the DPRK deal with the now former Minister of Defense of the "maral hunter", from whom a bunch of deputies stole budget money? I think they would have acted radically. But... the "black belt" is satisfied with his entourage. It was not for nothing that Ksenia Sobchak was pumped on his knees in the early 90s.
  46. -7
    27 June 2025 10: 45
    Russia is not the USSR, and thank God for that. The USSR's foreign policy was based on the promotion of communism across the planet. And it did for a while, but the trouble is, the original source itself fizzled out and fell apart. And Russia? Everything has changed 180 degrees here. The basis of foreign policy is the promotion of a multipolar world. Why? It's very simple. Through a multipolar world, Russia can guarantee its sovereignty and territorial integrity. But if we are left alone with the West, everything will be simple: an ultimatum about our future place in the world (not far from the latrine), and in case of refusal - military invasion and destruction. Thus, all external efforts are ultimately aimed at avoiding this scenario. The loss of Syria, yesterday's defeat of Iran, zugzwang in Ukraine, Armenia's turnaround, playing under the table with shells from Serbia - all this movement towards a multipolar world is significantly slowing down. So it turns out that a fleet of the distant sea (oceanic) zone is still needed - here I am talking about the flag - in difficult times to visit and support friends, to sober up the scumbags. True, we cannot afford aircraft carriers and cruisers, but frigates of the 22350 or even 22350M type, as well as Yasen, must be persistently continued to be built. And of course, it would be great to have at least 2-3 bases in distant foreign countries. Venezuela, Sudan, Indonesia, it is not clear where it will work and where it will not, but it is necessary to work in this direction.
    1. -2
      27 June 2025 11: 03
      but here's the problem, the original source itself deflated and fell apart.

      Why are the enemies of the USSR so afraid to admit responsibility for the fact that you captured the USSR and divided it into your separate States? Probably because you yourselves admit that you did it for criminal purposes - to the detriment of the country and the people.
      And everything that is happening is because someone imagined himself to be a “great world geopolitician.”
      And the result of his geopolitics is catastrophic for the country.
    2. -1
      28 June 2025 10: 18
      Quote: Glagol1
      And of course, it would be great to have at least 2-3 bases in distant foreign countries. Venezuela, Sudan, Indonesia, it is not clear where it will work and where it will not, but it is necessary to work in this direction.

      And won't the country break down? Maybe we should start by improving the economy and the standard of living of the population, whose salaries are generally at the level of working for food?
      1. -1
        28 June 2025 13: 28
        It won't overexert itself. The alternative is the destruction of the country by external enemies. A little economics. A frigate of Project 22350 together with a helicopter, missiles, torpedoes and other ammunition, fully equipped, costs about 40 billion. Maximum. There are currently 3 in service and several under construction. We need to have 16-18 such ships. Project 885M with missiles and torpedoes costs 70 billion per side, together with 885 we would need to build 12-14 submarines. Let's calculate for 2 projects at the maximum: 400 for 22350 and 600 for 885M = 1 trillion for about 6-7 years. That is, 150 billion per year. In 2025, defense spending will be about 14 trillion per year. There are no particular stresses. We need to fight theft/corruption/abuse - the effect will be huge.
        1. -1
          2 July 2025 13: 22
          Quote: Glagol1
          We need to fight theft/corruption/abuse - the effect will be huge.

          For me, the word “must” has long been a solid marker that no one will do anything.
          Quote: Glagol1
          There are no particular stresses.

          Are you saying this when our economy can't handle normal supplies to the SVO? And when we have people begging for money from the half-impoverished population to treat our children?
  47. 0
    27 June 2025 11: 18
    They started leaving on their own, but now they are being driven under the broom.
  48. +1
    27 June 2025 11: 32
    Whiskey with ice gives you heartburn. Vodka with ice gives you a headache... The damned ice is to blame for everything... and so are our officials...)))
  49. +7
    27 June 2025 11: 48
    No. Russia will not return. And in the next few years, it itself, in its current form, will not exist under such leadership. So forget about 100 years or forever. Everything is so obvious that only "punched" Patriots and Putin's grannies, perhaps, do not see it.
    All sane people see where this is all heading.
    I want to be wrong and I'm rooting for Russia, but what I see gives me some thoughts.
    Seeing the problematic SVO in comparison with the brilliant operation of Israel, it suggests that the NATO operation could be no less successful in Russia. Unfortunately. But the people are happy with everything, so be it.
    1. -3
      27 June 2025 17: 27
      Quote: Olejik
      No. Russia will not return.

      Afghanistan. Who thought in 1995 that Russia would be able to return to normal interaction with Afghanistan? Now the new leadership of Syria is faced with a dilemma: either transfer territories populated by Druze, Alawites and Christians to Israel, and 4 provinces in the North to Turkey, or look for money for weapons and grain. Until they manage to cavalry charge to get all this for nothing from Russia.
      1. 0
        27 June 2025 17: 40
        Quote: gsev
        Afghanistan. Who thought in 1995 that Russia would be able to return to normal interaction with Afghanistan?

        The analogy is not quite right, the conflict in Afghanistan was with the USSR. If we follow !:1 this analogy, then only the collapse of Russia and a change of government will lead to an improvement in relations with the new Syrian regime, and we certainly don't need that.
        1. 0
          27 June 2025 20: 02
          Quote: guest
          If we follow !:1 this analogy, then only the collapse of Russia and a change of government will lead to an improvement in relations with the new Syrian regime, and we certainly don’t need that.

          Or the collapse of Syria and the change of government there. Mutual understanding with Afghanistan began when the representatives of the dushmans were expelled from power. The first in the world to declare Crimea's belonging to Russia was Hamid Karzai, a pro-American politician in principle. Putin's mistake is that he works only with the old, arrogant bureaucratic elites. Stalin relied on Ho Chi Minh, Mao Zedong, Choibalsan and Kim Il-sung, and not on secondary figures in the colonial or semi-colonial administration of China, Indochina and India.
  50. +3
    27 June 2025 11: 51
    And what interests do Russian citizens have in Africa? I don't understand what to do there. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
    Prigozhin was there, but did he decide state interests there? And maybe corporate ones? And if they were, then what difference does it make to us whether there is a base there or not.
  51. 0
    27 June 2025 12: 07
    Well, thank God! It's high time to collect coins and go home!
  52. -3
    27 June 2025 12: 41
    Well, the suffering!!! Cry some more!
  53. +7
    27 June 2025 12: 59
    I don’t quite understand, is this our next geopolitical victory or what?
  54. +7
    27 June 2025 13: 35
    Some called it "another resounding success for Russian diplomacy."


    We've had resounding successes everywhere in the last 25 years. Here you either watch TV and see nothing, or spit and don't watch TV.
  55. VlK
    -2
    27 June 2025 14: 15
    "We'll come back, there's no point in crying over what's lost. It can't be returned. Yesterday, the last Russian military ship left the Mediterranean. Well, we just need to bring tomorrow closer, when the ships return. And write a new page in history."(c) Author
    there will be tasks, and most importantly, opportunities - maybe we will return. But one must also be able to neocolonialism, and this is first of all - not to write off, forgiving, multi-billion debts to counterparties, giving them away for the sake of a momentary benefit or for the implementation of some abstract political projects, but to strictly restructure, charging interest on interest, and constantly holding by the balls the fickle rulers of the territories, current and their future potential successors. And it is also desirable to be able to do economics, when colonies bring profit, not losses, and preferably in the state, and not only in the private-corporate pocket. Well, and stop investing at public expense in the construction of structures on sand, without a solid foundation. But for now, as it is - more experienced geopolitical and economic competitors have wiped our noses, it is high time to draw the right conclusions, and not suffer for a damaged image and lost former greatness.
  56. +8
    27 June 2025 14: 18
    Another failure of a talentless policy executed by a talentless team under the control of a talentless leader....
  57. +1
    27 June 2025 15: 09
    Losses such as Tartus and Khmeimim are the result of the loss of the USSR.
  58. +4
    27 June 2025 15: 15
    Excellent article.
    An ocean-going fleet is a projection of power.
    Power is a projection of production output.
    Maybe we should start with manufacturing products?
    Otherwise we'll keep inflating a colossus on wooden legs.
  59. RMT
    0
    27 June 2025 15: 25
    Some kind of split personality:
    at the beginning - there is something to do, besides stupid things like "demonstrating the flag"... All this talk about "demonstrating the flag" - it's not from great intelligence.
    A little later - the Russian flag will look more weighty there and will not raise questions. And some will respect it, and many will be angry
  60. +2
    27 June 2025 15: 45
    A fleet is certainly needed. But right now, when the fleet is just the remnants of the former Soviet might seasoned with a couple of new ships, the existence of such a base is questionable.
    Now, and over the next 15 years, the main focus and problems will still be on the land borders.
    But if the country's leadership wants to develop Russia into a serious geopolitical player, it will be necessary to develop its own production of high-tech products (not raw materials), and establish its own sales markets. And this will not only develop the country's economy, but also create the need to support and protect its sea trade routes and protect its sales markets. Then the need for a navy will be needed.

    But neither the army, nor the navy, nor anything else - will be able to develop without a high-quality education system and multifaceted production in the country. And we not only have problems with this, they are not even being solved yet.
    1. VlK
      0
      27 June 2025 16: 28
      But if the country's leadership wants to develop Russia into a serious geopolitical player, it will be necessary to develop its own production of high-tech products (not raw materials), and establish its own sales markets. And this will not only develop the country's economy, but also create the need to support and protect its sea trade routes and protect its sales markets. Then the need for a navy will be needed.

      we are already transporting resources all over the world, and already problems from respected partners are in full swing - what else should we expect? Remember why Peter the Great even started building a fleet at a difficult moment in the country's history?
  61. +3
    27 June 2025 16: 09
    The intellectual level of the Russian leadership is evident from the St. Petersburg forum, where instead of developing production, they propose mining cryptocurrency, as well as switching to coal due to the rising cost of natural gas.
    gas...
    Indeed, Tsar Peter was right in forbidding courtiers to speak on paper "so that the stupidity of each would be immediately visible..."
  62. +3
    27 June 2025 16: 14
    And so, in the context of the article and comments, let us honestly answer the following questions: is a logistics center in the Red Sea needed?; are marine divisions needed?; are the two UDCs being built in Kerch needed?
  63. 0
    27 June 2025 17: 05
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Stas157
    USA

    1,64
    Quote: Stas157
    New Zealand

    1,61
    Quote: Stas157
    France

    1,83
    Quote: Stas157
    Ireland

    France. The exact number of Africans living in France is impossible to know. Collecting statistics on race is prohibited by French law. In France, an immigrant is someone who was born abroad to a non-French family but who came to the country. People who acquire French citizenship after moving to France are still considered immigrants. However, children of immigrants born in France are counted as natives.
    I believe that the birth rate of those French people whose ancestors were citizens of France under Napoleon is no higher than 1,5
    USA. (picture) And that's at the expense of the Mormon state of Utah, as well as other religious communities, like the Amish, and the Jews.
    New Zealand. As of 2024, the fertility rate (TFR) of the white population of New Zealand is 1,27 children per woman. The TFR of the Maori in 2024 is approximately 1,8 children per woman. The fertility rate is also high among migrants from Asia, of whom 17,3% in New Zealand
    Ireland. Ireland's birth rate remains the highest of any European country. This rise is largely due to immigration from other countries: in 2009, a quarter of all children born in Ireland were born to foreign mothers.
  64. +1
    27 June 2025 17: 17
    Quote: faiver
    The result will be definitely positive.
    - Thanks, I had a laugh laughing


    Maduro will gladly let him in, after first agreeing on how many train cars of cash will be delivered to him personally on an Il-96. Then the poor Venezuelans will throw him off the throne, but the cash, as we know,
  65. +1
    27 June 2025 17: 21
    Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
    turn to a Mediterranean country with a democratically elected government.... and discuss mutually beneficial cooperation with that government?


    I didn't even have to look at the atlas. I know from memory that there is not a single Mediterranean country that would agree to such cooperation at the present time. We don't even remember the European countries, and of the African countries, only Algeria allows our military ships to enter, but only to replenish their water and fruit supplies, but the country's constitution prohibits having foreign bases on its territory. Egypt has long been firmly under the US, Morocco is an open enemy and has already transferred all of its old Soviet weapons to Ukraine with the start of the Second World War. Haftar in Libya, despite all the external support, has not been able to lead the country and is considered a rebel at the UN level against the officially recognized government in Tripoli.
    It sounds funny, but perhaps the most realistic option is to come to an agreement with Israel... for good money. But it won't work to deceive the Jews and such a base won't survive a day if something happens....

    Well, that's right. If there are no such countries in the region, then what's the point of getting involved at all? There are poor countries with dictators in Africa (who have been brought to St. Petersburg for the forum in droves in recent years). It's still possible to come to an agreement with them.
  66. -1
    27 June 2025 17: 51
    Well, we just need to bring tomorrow closer, when the ships return. And write a new page in history.
    It makes sense. And there are options.
    first and the simplest: to increase support for Haftar so that he could take power in all of Libya or at least help him create his own state on Libyan territory. And this is from 2/3 to 4/5 of Libya's territory. Or even all of Libya, except Tripoli and Misurata.
    Second. Finally, start to really fight for strengthening our influence in Montenegro. Especially since Andrija Mandić, the president of the New Serbian Democracy, was elected speaker of the Montenegrin parliament on October 30, 2023. Theoretically, we can even try to start achieving the restoration of the union of Montenegro and Serbia. At least in the form of a Confederation.
    1. VlK
      0
      27 June 2025 18: 00
      What exactly do you want to achieve with all these actions? After all, the fleet itself and its bases are only a tool for achieving some goals. A very expensive tool at that.
  67. -2
    27 June 2025 19: 25
    The article is factual and to the point. Everything is said here 100%
  68. 0
    27 June 2025 21: 44
    Quote: VlK
    What exactly do you want to achieve with all these actions? After all, the fleet itself and its bases are only a tool for achieving some goals. A very expensive tool at that.
    I don't understand your dissatisfaction. There was a comment
    Well, we just need to bring tomorrow closer, when the ships return. And write a new page in history.
    I just showed where, in my opinion, tomorrow can be best brought closer. What are you so angry about?
  69. +2
    27 June 2025 21: 47
    We will not return anywhere! I am afraid that with our level of corruption and unwillingness to do anything with the thieving "our own" you know who, nothing good awaits us. In fact, NATO is at the borders of Russia, the tactics of conducting military operations on the ruins are already being worked out, the fifth column in the form of migrants is already 10% of the population, so...
  70. 0
    27 June 2025 22: 46
    The Straits are useless without the Archipelago.

    The predictable result of the work of brainless fetishists of any color.
  71. 0
    27 June 2025 22: 48
    Quote: KLM77
    We will not return anywhere! I am afraid that with our level of corruption and unwillingness to do anything with the thieving "our own" you know who, nothing good awaits us. In fact, NATO is at the borders of Russia, the tactics of conducting military operations on the ruins are already being worked out, the fifth column in the form of migrants is already 10% of the population, so...


    What the hell are migrants? The Dubai babes have completely Slavic faces.
  72. -1
    27 June 2025 23: 05
    The General Staff doesn't catch mice. As always. This is the main problem.
  73. -4
    27 June 2025 23: 46
    Regarding the increase in the birth rate of children - There are statistics on the emergence and spread of
    condoms in the world and the birth rate? As Mikhail Zhvanetsky said - "One wrong move and you're a father." In countries where condoms are neglected and there is less feminism - the birth rate is higher. The principle is simple - if you want sex, get married and forget about condoms. But they started demagoguery - there is little money, not enough housing ... Like when there was a birth rate, all this was!? Introduce a tax on childlessness \ like it was in the USSR \ moderate, condoms only by prescription, ban abortions \ only by doctor's opinion \, propaganda about having children \ a fashionable trend \. No desire to raise - hand over the child in the maternity hospital. Otherwise we have two opposing tendencies - those who want children cannot take them from an orphanage as babies and the opposite - I don't want to have children or have but one... And organize funds to support birth rates, but not universal ones \ in order to reject migrants who come for money, and with dual citizenship, who checks it? Whether it exists or not. I realize that the measures will be unpopular for some part of the population, but such is world history - if you don't want to multiply, give way to others.
  74. 0
    28 June 2025 07: 33
    We lost the country in 1917, and then finished it off in 1991.
    1. -1
      28 June 2025 07: 44
      You, who “lost” the State for the rich and the richest parasites in October 1917, created exactly the same State in 1991.
      1. +1
        2 July 2025 09: 39
        So it was you who created this monstrosity. laughing The comrades stole and ruled the country for a little less than 80 years. Whose is Yeltsin? Whose is Gorbachev?
  75. -1
    28 June 2025 11: 32
    Where were you before, Roman, how much money you invested and lost everything. Good criticism, but what is all this for when everything has happened! Let's go back, there's no point in crying over what was lost. The author doesn't know what will happen next, we'll come back someday!
  76. +3
    28 June 2025 13: 57
    The 34 years of bourgeois power in Russia is to blame for everything, these Vlasovites will not be in the Kremlin, we will restore everything and friendship between our peoples and behind it the economy, education, medicine and the former power of the social state of Russia and united with the fraternal republics of Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and our other former Soviet republics!!!
  77. -1
    28 June 2025 14: 39
    tsuko, so many letters, but nothing is clear... So have they already kicked us out of the bases, or are they still pinching our balls?
  78. 0
    29 June 2025 08: 58
    Quote: Galina Mylnikova
    Our politicians and officials never publicly analyze the reasons for their own failures: neither pension reform, nor administrative reform, nor reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor reform of science and education. Unlike Britain, the USA. That is why they hit us in the gut in intellectual duels.

    Neither politicians nor officials have enough brains for analysis. And never had them. There are specialized centers for such actions, but not here, we have no need. We have pluralism and therefore anyone but those vested with authority talks heresy and makes idiotic decisions based on their level of knowledge of the world. Alas. The example of the beginning of SVOWa in Ukraine is a fairly recent and significant example. It is visible to everyone. And every day there are a lot of decisions of a lower rank, but just as idiotic and harmful. The system, set up by one of the "partners" for self-destruction, continues to operate. I am not even talking about the cooks (athletes, actors) in the legal design of the country's laws.
  79. +1
    29 June 2025 11: 09
    Yes, we have sadness and sorrow with the fleet, although not only with it.
  80. +1
    29 June 2025 18: 05
    To protect territorial integrity...
    And what is needed for this? A fleet is needed. An air force is needed. A military one. And ground forces are needed. And paratroopers, and motorized riflemen, and tankers, and artillerymen. Even all sorts of cooks, military doctors, signalmen and storekeepers, who monitor the products and drive away real rats and those who "with special orders for issue under the order".
    And you need an idea. Or faith in some idea.
  81. 0
    30 June 2025 14: 01
    1. I have a feeling that the States were afraid of Yeltsin. Afraid of his unpredictability. What if a glass suddenly slams, and what does he have in mind? Press the red button? Well, there is no such thing with the Supreme. They respect him for his literate speech, aka Cicero. But suddenly some Swiss Burkhalter arrives, and they forgot about the request of the legally recognized president of Ukraine to bring troops into 404, they dumped the Kharkov People's Republic, etc.
    2. I think the majority voted for Putin. Almost all pensioners, especially military personnel. And they are organized, they almost march to the elections singing songs. And the rest of the majority - well, what's the point, it will still be 165%.
    3. Well, and then, I don't remember, there were elections for deputies. In my city, there were banners along the avenues. Most of them were in the United Russia style. But not a single face indicated its affiliation with United Russia, and there was no bear either. Unlike the others.
  82. 0
    30 June 2025 23: 19
    The only thing left to do is regret the lost bases in Syria. Assad was a worthless ruler, he cared only about his piggy bank, and supported the army somehow. He always hoped for us. We need to create a fleet, and not only a military one, but also a civilian one, so that there would be something to protect. The West will not leave us alone, and therefore we must be capable of everything. And first of all, we need to give those same mattress makers a good kick in the teeth, which they will forever remember, and there is no need to pretend to be a saint and peace-loving person where you should not stand on ceremony
  83. -1
    1 July 2025 07: 21
    Another page of history has been turned. I hope we can get the personnel out of the bases without losses. And how did he breathe...
  84. -1
    3 July 2025 17: 24
    No one negotiates with the weak and indecisive!!! They demand it! Soon China will send...
  85. 0
    6 July 2025 11: 06
    because Russia does not have a fleet that is respected (or better yet feared) in the world. Well, if there is no fleet, why have a base?


    What nonsense ?!

    Russia has a fleet, Russia is building and developing a fleet, destroyers and helicopter carriers and new diesel-electric submarines and nuclear submarines, both strategic and multi-purpose, have already been ordered.

    And we need a base in the Mediterranean, if not to sink the entire NATO fleet there, then at least to conduct reconnaissance above and below the water, and for this a couple of frigates and diesel-electric submarines are quite sufficient.

    Well, on our frigates the PU is the UKSK for Kalibr, Onyx and Zircon.

    16 zircons is an argument against any enemy group.