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Saakashvili checked for crimes against humanity

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The current head of the Cabinet of Ministers, Bidzina Ivanishvili, was marked by the explosion of a political bomb in Georgia the other day. He directly accused President Saakashvili of starting the war with Russia in August 2008, and called for a full-scale internal investigation into the events of 4,5-year-old. As they say, better late than never ...




According to Bidzina Ivanishvili, Saakashvili as president instead of entering Georgian troops into South Ossetia and starting full-scale hostilities should have invited international observers to monitor the situation, if the Georgian president was certain that some bands were firing from the territory of South Ossetia. A fatal mistake made by Saakashvili 4,5 a year ago, Ivanishvili considers the introduction of Georgian troops until the Russian troops crossed the Russian-Georgian border. According to the Prime Minister and concurrently the leader of the movement “Georgian Dream”, it was the actions of the still active Georgian President Saakashvili in the “Olympic” August that led to the fact that part of Georgia lost a certain percentage of territories. In addition, Ivanishvili is convinced that the time has come when the truth about who actually unleashed the war (and this is true, and the head of the Georgian Cabinet himself speaks about this) is contained in the report of the EU commission chaired by Heidi Tagliavini, who made an unequivocal conclusion wars from Georgia), now the Georgian people should know.

By the way, in Georgia, the topic of the start of hostilities 8 in August, 2008, for a long time, exploited and continues to exploit Saakashvili himself, spreading his vision at all corners of the issue, which looks so that Russia would start the war against Georgia. This thesis of Saakashvili can be called the main leitmotif of the second part of his presidency. Blaming Moscow for militarism, Saakashvili reached the point where he himself seemed to believe in his own infallibility. Over the 4,5 of the year, the Georgian president managed to form an innocence syndrome, about which he trumped to the right and left, exposing only the “big northern neighbor” as the main culprit for all Georgian misfortunes. Let's call this syndrome Saakashvili's syndrome.

And then thunder boomed out of the blue. There was a person in Georgia who said that it’s time to start fighting with Saakashvili’s syndrome. However, the process that led Ivanishvili to the thesis that it was time to announce the president’s guilt in unleashing a war, after which Georgia lost up to 40% of its territory, did not begin in Georgia itself. According to the statements of Georgian Justice Minister Mrs. Tsulukiani, Tbilisi it became known that the Hague International Criminal Court received several applications with a request to investigate crimes against humanity committed by Georgian high officials in South Ossetia. The prosecutor of the Hague International Court may begin work on the territory of Georgia and South Ossetia in order to obtain reliable facts that the Georgian army committed a number of war crimes in South Ossetia, following the orders of the commanders.

After reports that the prosecutor could begin such work, it turned out that the work, it turns out, had already begun. The Georgian prosecutor’s office from The Hague was asked about what actions it had taken in order to identify facts of crimes against humanity or ethnic crimes (this, of course, about August 2008 of the year). First they requested, and then the prosecutors themselves decided to come from The Hague to Tbilisi. The delegation demanded that the Georgian side conduct an investigation and present all the facts concerning the possible crimes committed during the five-day war with Russia. The work of the representatives of the international court in Georgia was announced by Prosecutor General Archil Kbilashvili. At the same time, Kutsnashvili stated that he did not know on what basis the “guests from The Hague” demanded an investigation and the provision of all the information on this matter, and added that Georgia could also figure out the matter itself.

It was after the visit of prosecutors at the international level to Georgia that he expressed a desire to conduct a full-scale internal investigation of Bidzin Ivanishvili. Prior to that, although his confrontation with the current president was indicated, he didn’t bring up to really sharp forms of opposition - everything was limited to verbal poking in the style of “But who are you? ..” Now this is the third party that pushes these real oppositions. At the same time, both Ivanishvili and Saakashvili may be surprised, why did The Hague decide to take up Georgia? As they say, they did not expect anyone from ... Is this really a big drain? - obviously, Mikhail Saakashvili reflects, trying in vain to get explanations from his main friends. But is it really that all threads lead to The Hague? Let's try to figure it out.

What can Georgia expect if it is really compelled to conduct a full-fledged investigation of what the great adventure of the Georgian president of the XENUM X model in August led to? And here, by and large, there are two options. If this is really a big drain for Mikhail Saakashvili, then the West is simply trying to cover its tracks in this slippery business. After all, Saakashvili as a person is very far from Napoleon’s scale, and therefore it is naive to assume that he was solely in his “call of the marshal's heart” and without approving pats from the western side moved to Tskhinval in 2008. And so that Mikhail Nikolozovich suddenly did not take advantage of the situation and did not “blunt” something superfluous after his rather early departure for a presidential pension, they probably decided to throw a spear more substantively. If this spear in the form of the discovery of facts of war crimes by the Georgian army in 2008-m gets into the torso of Saakashvili, then it will turn into a real political corpse. The expectation is that even if Saakashvili decides to counter-drain his Washington “friends,” after the publication of the results of the investigation of war crimes for which the Georgian president gave orders, but this fact was carefully concealed, no one would believe him ... the silence of Saakashvili, gentlemen in the West can reflect in this situation.

But if silence is waited from Saakashvili, then why raise a fuss? Supporters of the conspiracy thesis state that the reason for this was Putin’s visit to Germany and the Netherlands. They say that it is Putin in Europe who has whispered in his ear, so that they take a bulldog grip on his "sworn friend" Saakashvili ... The version is certainly interesting, but it is hardly worth taking it seriously.

But another version deserves more attention. It lies in the fact that the Georgian side and, in particular, Bidzina Ivanishvili himself could have become the main initiator of the Hague’s interests in this matter. What is the reason for this? And the reason, in fact, there is. Well, for example, bringing Mikhail Saakashvili to trial can significantly raise Ivanishvili’s rating in Georgia itself - this is one time, and to help start a better relationship between Tbilisi and Moscow - these are two. After all, today the absence of full-fledged contacts (including economic) between Russia and Georgia is the Achilles heel of the latter, and the acting prime minister wants to become the person who will return these contacts to the proper level.

However, let's not forget that the investigation of the situation related to August 2008 of the year marked by the Georgian side, by the same Ivanishvili, can be used not only against Saakashvili, but also against Russia. After all, having convicted Saakashvili of crimes against humanity, nothing will prevent Georgian individuals who will conduct an “investigation” from catching the Russian side as well. They say they crossed the border of Georgia - already an international crime, flew in bomber planes over the territory of an independent state, forced people to hide in the basements of their houses - also a crime ...

So the investigation, which allegedly initiates the Hague International Court of Justice, can lead to clearly ambiguous results. And here everything depends on the thoughts that are swarming in Bidzina Ivanishvili’s head today. If he decides to go exclusively on the path of rapprochement with the West, the “investigation” will be used for the final reprisal of Saakashvili and, in addition, for putting forward new claims against Moscow: that everyone is to blame and I brought everyone to clean water. I'm good! ..

And if Ivanishvili was going to get closer to Russia, then only his political opponent, along with the party led by this opponent, would be merged. In general, in any case, Carthage must be destroyed ... uh-uh Saakashvili will be merged ... What does Saakashvili do in such a situation? Is it possible to ask whether the branch office of Heinrich Padva works in Georgia ...
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 12 2013 08: 27
    25
    Wow Mishiko, squeeze stronger buttocks (sorry for being rude).
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 12 2013 08: 50
      +8
      It's time for the swift tie-eater to run around in the "clift camp". Deserved.
      1. Letun
        Letun April 12 2013 16: 40
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        It's time for the swift tie-eater to run around in the "clift camp". Deserved.

        Yeah, with a broom in the ass lol
    2. Tersky
      Tersky April 12 2013 09: 15
      10
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Wow Mishiko, tighten your buttocks

      Eugene, hi !
      For 4,5 years, the Georgian president managed to form a syndrome of innocence, about which he trumpeted left and right, making the main culprit of all Georgian troubles exclusively “big northern neighbor”. We will call this syndrome Saakashvili syndrome.
      There is only one radical cure for Sahak syndrome, a tablet weighing 9 grams.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 12 2013 09: 18
        +2
        Victor, welcome hi .
        Quote: Tersky
        There is only one radical cure for Sahak syndrome, a tablet weighing 9 grams.

        It is advisable to take the whole course for a second and a half. wink
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 12 2013 09: 56
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        There is only one radical cure for Sahak syndrome, a tablet weighing 9 grams.

        If such a hype was started in the West, then perhaps this tablet will not be needed, most likely we will be informed that Mishiko had a tormenting conscience for a long time, and he blew up his heart and died of a heart attack, approximately like a BAB. Correctly in the article it is written that he would not shake the excess. Mishiko is drained, as is Hussein, Gaddafi, apparently a friend came with a scythe and for Saakashvili lol
        1. folds
          folds April 12 2013 13: 20
          +1
          Not, rather, "swallowed the tie too deeply without removing it from the neck, which led to suffocation"
      3. JonnyT
        JonnyT April 12 2013 10: 00
        23
        Here it is necessary for the whole gop company to "check" Saka pawn, puppeteers are in the shadows as usual
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov April 12 2013 13: 41
          +2
          Yes, and these are also pawns ... I don’t think that the president and even more so the US Secretary of State by and large rule. Fed all Fed ...
        2. Ilya Kovalenko
          Ilya Kovalenko April 13 2013 05: 09
          0
          And where is the "kolachek" (Tymoshenko)?
      4. klimpopov
        klimpopov April 12 2013 13: 01
        0
        What a disgusting erysipelas (c) Gentlemen of fortune ...
      5. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot April 12 2013 18: 59
        0
        hmm, are we hinting at plumbumotherapy?
    3. vadimus
      vadimus April 12 2013 09: 36
      +3
      Here it is, where the troll is natural and not at all fabulous. But the evil under the sun!
    4. NKVD
      NKVD April 12 2013 11: 13
      +4
      We can talk about restoring relations only when Georgia extradites Russia to Sahak for trial ...
      1. 755962
        755962 April 12 2013 12: 19
        +1
        Quote: NKVD
        when Georgia gives Russia to Sahak for trial ...

        Saka is just a wooden doll ... But the puppeteer ...
      2. Krapovy32
        Krapovy32 April 12 2013 22: 33
        +1
        NKVD


        GDP promised to suspend Sahak for his precious Faberge lol I hope I will see this moment and understand that there is justice in the world good At the same time, a lesson will be proud but small republics, do not bark. And then a bear’s roar will be heard in response, and a sickly back slap will fly after this roar hi
    5. Jin
      Jin April 12 2013 18: 51
      -1
      The site is still buggy, well, one more time:

      His gesticulation with his hands (sakashvili) looks like two eggs, and in the middle, instead of a head, there is a "bolt". Like everything! I admit everything! * oh I!
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 12 2013 08: 37
    +9
    Saakashvili checked for crimes against humanity



    He didn’t interfere with sanity check ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky April 12 2013 09: 17
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      He didn’t interfere with sanity check ...

      Colleague, it’s not worth checking, all his actions and deeds speak of his insanity ...
  3. Alexander-81
    Alexander-81 April 12 2013 08: 51
    +3
    Hello. After reports that the prosecutor could begin such work, it turned out: the work, it turns out, has already begun. The Georgian prosecutor’s office in The Hague was asked about what actions she had taken to identify facts of crimes against humanity or ethnic crimes (naturally, this is about August 2008). I hope Mishiko already has dreams where he is talking from the not-so-distant 37s, with comrade STALIN! am
    1. Turdaun
      Turdaun April 12 2013 09: 04
      +9
      I ask you, dear, not to use, even briefly, the name of the Great Man in the same sentence as Teddy Unwisdom. He didn’t deserve this .... I hope, sincerely hope that MISHIKO gets the most I don’t want for his actions ... Stupid and mediocre politician, a doll ...
      1. Gari
        Gari April 12 2013 09: 38
        16
        Paradoxes of History
        Leader of the peoples Comrade Stalin
        and Mishiko were born on the same day on December 21
        and they also say that you can recognize a person by horoscopes?
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 12 2013 12: 50
      +1
      Quote: Alexander-81
      Hello. After reports that the prosecutor could begin such work, it turned out: the work, it turns out, has already begun. The Georgian prosecutor’s office in The Hague was asked about what actions she had taken to identify facts of crimes against humanity or ethnic crimes (naturally, this is about August 2008)


      The head of the Ministry of Justice of Georgia Thea Tsulukiani said on this occasion
      “The Prosecutor of the Hague Court received a lot of information, according to which citizens and representatives of various foreign NGOs complain and state that high-ranking officials of various ethnic backgrounds committed a crime - allegedly either against humanity, or that crime that could be qualified as a war crime. We must solve our problem ourselves, our task with the prosecutor is to investigate the case of the 2008 war, ”

      Also during his visit to Europe, Putin at a press conference following talks with Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte promised that he would give instructions to investigate the death of Dutch journalist Stan Storimans in August 2008 in Georgia. The Dutch claim that he died from a Russian cluster bomb, his colleague, a correspondent for the television company Jeroen Akkermans, complained to Russia in 2009 of the European Court of Human Rights in connection with the wound he received during the hostilities in the Georgian city of Gori.
      The then President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev said that the tragedy occurred through the fault of the Georgian side.
      Apparently, the conduct of this investigation is directed not so much against Saakashvili (for the sake of the case, you can hang a lot of dogs on him) but against Russia. Simply put, Saakashvili also responded inappropriately to Saakashvili’s inappropriate actions, thereby, on a par with him, bears blame for this conflict. The goal is known for merging Saakashvili with a spray of shit to pour over Russia.

      “We have a very strong desire to regulate relations with Russia, for this there are very simple mechanisms that will not harm our country,” he is convinced. The settlement, B. Ivanishvili stressed, arouses indignation on the part of the previous government, but, assured the prime minister, it will take place. As for the lost territories, then, in his words, "they will be returned step by step".
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 12 2013 13: 11
      +7
      Quote: Alexander-81
      Hello. After reports that the prosecutor could begin such work, it turned out: the work, it turns out, has already begun. The Georgian prosecutor’s office in The Hague was asked about what actions she had taken to identify facts of crimes against humanity or ethnic crimes (naturally, this is about August 2008)


      The fact that Saakashvili is being drained is no longer a secret, the main thing in the process of this draining is to sprinkle Russia with shit as much as possible. For this purpose, these objective "investigations" are being initiated so that the responsibility for the conflict is at least equally assigned to Russia. Once again, they pulled the story of the deceased Dutch journalist from a Russian cluster bomb. Most likely, Russia will be accused of inappropriate use of force. Moreover, Ivanishvili made it clear that "lost territories will be reclaimed step by step"
      Apparently all these investigations and commissions -first step in this process

      Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili will not answer questions of the special commission investigating the events of the August 2008 war. According to Novosti-Georgia, the head of state said this on April 11 during a working visit to Poland.
      “I’m not going to cooperate with the anti-state investigation, the purpose of which is to shock the statehood of Georgia”

      link
  4. pensioner
    pensioner April 12 2013 08: 55
    +4
    Henry Padva ... Not .... Padla.
  5. pensioner
    pensioner April 12 2013 08: 56
    +2
    Well, you can expect that Sake will show what else you need a tie for.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 12 2013 08: 59
      +4
      Quote: retired
      that Sake will show what else you need a tie for.

      For what and a scarf. wink
  6. pensioner
    pensioner April 12 2013 08: 59
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Wow Mishiko, squeeze stronger buttocks (sorry for being rude).

    They want it - spread apart, in Europe they have learned to push apart well.
  7. sania0413
    sania0413 April 12 2013 09: 04
    +2
    Oh prime! Oh well done!
    1. Gari
      Gari April 12 2013 10: 12
      +7
      I often visited Georgia as a child, I have many friends there, and now I go there with pleasure, the people are simple and hospitable as before, and Georgians believe Saakashvili himself is tired, and this is in the best case, and it’s better not to talk about them among them, all the more so to say something good-- they’ll cover the speaker and Saakashvili even more,
      And therefore, last year, at the parliamentary elections on October 1, 2012, the people made their choice by choosing the Georgian Dream party of billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili
      You can imagine the party of the incumbent president as a powerful administrative apparatus that controls the army, the security services lost the election, could not do anything, because the whole people would stand on their feet
      1. lubin
        lubin April 12 2013 12: 28
        -4
        You can imagine the party of the incumbent president with a powerful administrative apparatus that controls the army, the security services lost the election, couldn’t do anything, because all the people would stand on their own feet / Example worthy of imitation hi
      2. smile
        smile April 12 2013 19: 35
        +2
        Gari
        Well, I remember, not so long ago this people was in a single impulse For Mishiko and joyfully welcomed the enslavement of peoples, who never entered the state of Georgia (which also didn’t) ... doesn’t it seem that the USA just changed the eccentric foolish, yes besides that, the puppet that has been crap on a new one is smarter and more colorful? Mishiko was simply scrapped ... did you notice where Comrade Bidzina went right after the election? And doesn’t it seem strange to you that despite the fact that the State Department had previously squandered clever Mishiko praise as the beloved woman of the mechanic Gavrilov, then when Bidzina began to bring down the brave Mishiko, fell silent like a fish on ice? Until Georgia’s foreign policy changes, I wouldn’t be so happy about the changes, but for the time being they don’t exist ... unless we were told: all, we said that Nikolozovich is what, what else do you want? Come on, open your market to us quickly ... I don’t want to be mistaken ...
        1. Gari
          Gari April 12 2013 20: 09
          +1
          smile
          I wrote already
          Former head of the State Chancellery of Georgia, political expert Petre Mamradze says that this is not the only recommendation of Western partners that the previous leadership of the country ignored. “For some reason, many in Georgia think that Saakashvili did everything as the Americans told him, and I personally witness how he did everything the other way around, like a capricious child.
          You can read further below.
          1. smile
            smile April 12 2013 20: 49
            +3
            Gari
            Thanks, I read it. I do not believe in such statements by former heads of chancellery. Forgive me - this is very reminiscent of the narrative of Hitler’s generals who declared after the war that they were all against Hitler, and he was a scoundrel and did everything different from how smart people (they are to themselves) said to him .... naturally. now the former masters, who decided to merge it, and the allies hoping to get in under the new government will scream that the stupid, eccentric Mishiko is to blame - and they - the masters - have nothing to do with it, he just didn’t obey them ... and the former allies are all in one (well, whoever is allowed) they will say that inside they were in opposition and they never liked Nikolozovich, nasty .... :)))
            1. Gari
              Gari April 13 2013 12: 38
              0
              smile
              Quote: smile
              I do not believe in such statements by former heads of chancellery

              Toba I somehow really believe it all the more so he is not my brother and not matchmaker
              But it is worth believing that probably at that moment he already got his western patrons
  8. omsbon
    omsbon April 12 2013 09: 04
    +6
    I DO NOT BELIEVE! I DO NOT BELIEVE!
    And who should we believe, the Hague "tame" tribunal or the lying Georgian politicians? Therefore, there is no faith in words, only in deeds!
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 12 2013 09: 25
      +4
      + Although amers have a tradition of merging unnecessary puppets
  9. CCA
    CCA April 12 2013 09: 06
    +6
    Our president does not throw words into the wind ... He said that he would hang him by the balls - then he would hang him ... And Sukashvili can be saved from this only by a complete bombardment ... what
  10. SCS
    SCS April 12 2013 09: 13
    +4
    the thing is definitely good! and the waters are interesting, the United States itself does not want to check Europe and Europe itself ?! because there are so many crimes against humanity, and now they are committed in Syria ........
  11. DERWISH
    DERWISH April 12 2013 09: 14
    +2
    I hope his eggs will hang on a good pedestal on the border with Georgia
  12. Natalia
    Natalia April 12 2013 09: 22
    19
    We left Tskhinvali without panic
    I am a saakashvili
    Like passengers on the Titanic
    When they were drowned in the sea.

    And the fact that the equipment with weapons
    We threw along the road
    So it was on unnecessary
    After all, the commandos are fed feet.

    Georgian special forces soldiers
    Toward Gori retreated
    When Russian paratroopers
    They were suddenly attacked like that.

    They are with sapper boots
    The attack went like a frayer
    These methods are not legal
    Instructor taught us.

    We were not ready for this.
    After all, we were taught to fight
    With a woman and little kids
    Again we had to run away.

    We turn to America
    EU and papua
    You look like hysterical
    The republic’s head beats.

    We need to get together
    And put pressure on Russia
    To ban Russian paratroopers
    Beat the Georgians with a shovel.

    It's just a mockery
    Shovel in the face for the third time
    Over this stupid circumstance
    The whole Caucasus is already laughing ....
    1. zambo
      zambo April 12 2013 10: 01
      +1
      Natalia, good afternoon. Poems pleased. Your creativity?
      1. Natalia
        Natalia April 12 2013 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: zamboy
        Natalia, good afternoon. Poems pleased. Your creativity?

        No ... these are by no means my poems, but amusing nonetheless.)
        1. smile
          smile April 12 2013 19: 39
          0
          Natalia
          Thanks anyway, successful verses ... :)))
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 12 2013 17: 27
      +6
      Lt. Col. Swan and the guys from the 45th Airborne Regiment with trophies.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 12 2013 17: 29
        +1
        Well-known photos.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 12 2013 17: 32
          +5
          photo from the Georgian base in Senaki and Poti.
  13. sibircat
    sibircat April 12 2013 09: 35
    +4
    The US is suspicious. Surrendered their satellite without a fight.
    And Bidzin Ivanishvili, a dark horse, is gradually being checked for "lice": sanctions on the supply of wine and soda have been weakened. In general, on the eve of the Winter Olympics, it would be nice for Russia to have a sane politician among the leaders of Georgia.
    1. Gari
      Gari April 12 2013 10: 28
      +6
      Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili called “anti-state” a statement by Prime Minister Bidzina Ivanishvili on the possible restoration of railway communication with Russia
      “The statement made by Ivanishvili in Armenia is alarming and does not take into account Georgia’s strategic and geopolitical interests,” Saakashvili said at a January 17 briefing.
      And here is the very statement: “Regarding the foreign policy of Georgia, I think that the priorities will not change in the near future, however, countries, people, society are developing and changing priorities, but I do not think that we will change them in the near future. We have stated many times about our priorities that this is Europe, the Euro-Atlantic alliance, we will steadily follow this direction. At the same time, the question arises - is it possible to combine the restoration of friendly relations with Russia and at the same time have good relations with NATO, strive for it, have good relations with America and with NATO member countries.
      I think that a good example for Georgians is Armenia, which gets along well with Russia and has friendly relations with America and other NATO member countries. Accordingly, all this is possible, and I believe that we are obligated, and I really hope that we can combine all this, ”Ivanishvili said.
  14. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 April 12 2013 09: 51
    0
    All. More Mishiko Amer doll is not needed wassat
    They have already chosen a new one and put them in a chair (well, or whatever they do with a doll parsley, they put their hand deeper into ...)
    But the old brain doesn’t have to fall down on the quiet by order of the owner, so there is no way to start to work out.
    So he gets different hemorrhoids now. wassat
  15. pensioner
    pensioner April 12 2013 10: 05
    -1
    Quote: Pharao7766
    All. More Mishiko Amer doll is not needed

    To bring up a new one and even in Georgia is not a problem for amers. Barbed wire in 3 rows, a fence 20 meters high, mining approaches and forget about this Georgia. But first, punish for 080808.
  16. Belogor
    Belogor April 12 2013 10: 11
    +4
    what normal person believes in the Hague International Court? This is a fiction created by "common people" for the legitimacy of punishing those who are not with them, does not support their "values". In short, one of the Western punitive structures under a plausible guise. So it is doubtful that Saakashvili will be on the bench of this, so to speak, court.
    1. igordok
      igordok April 12 2013 12: 31
      0
      I am also tormented by vague doubts, as if the Hague would not have shifted arrows to Russia.
  17. botur
    botur April 12 2013 10: 12
    12
    Just one thing is not clear, how do such (like a bear) come to power?
    1. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB April 12 2013 16: 54
      +1
      These do not come, they bring and plant.
  18. zambo
    zambo April 12 2013 10: 19
    +1
    It is time to return Georgia under its wing (the Georgian people, for the most part, our ally), serious events are coming in the future in the Caucasus.
  19. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich April 12 2013 10: 23
    0
    Interestingly, is the death penalty legalized in Georgia? Several articles, treason, genocide, and crimes against humanity can be seen in the actions of the "tie gourmet"! Nus, we are waiting ...
  20. Oleg1986
    Oleg1986 April 12 2013 10: 28
    +1
    And why would it be the Hague? Like, now we have to recognize the validity of this rabble?
  21. NIK 163
    NIK 163 April 12 2013 10: 30
    +2
    Quote: KKA
    Our president does not throw words into the wind ... He said that he would hang him by the balls - then he would hang him ... And Sukashvili can be saved from this only by a complete bombardment ... what

    Moreover, he himself somehow agreed that he was ready to sacrifice what don’t be his organs in order to reunite Georgia.
  22. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 April 12 2013 10: 30
    +3
    Will be "check"Saakashvili? .. And who will actually be him"check"? .. And he will be" checked "by the same protege of Western" carriers of democracy "as Mishiko himself. And the crow (as you know) will not peck at a crow's eyes ...
    They will make a maximum of a small performance, a kind of insinuation. And then, either they will let the whole thing go on the brakes, or they will not find that Saakashvili can be charged with ...
    And the meaning of this hypocrisy is that there has seriously been an export of all kinds of drinking products to Russia. And this is extra money to the budget. Indeed, you will not be fed up with handouts from the State Departments, Soros and Trumps. The feeder is not infinite and it is necessary to have some kind of income item independent of democratic boobs ...
    Why is export to Russia so important for Georgia? .. But because een wines, but mineral water in the West, will not work. There are more than enough manufacturers there, and an extra competitor is worse for them than a pistol ...
    So the current Georgian prime minister has taken care of improving the image of his country in the eyes of Russian citizens. And this image is thoroughly tarnished by the reformatory guise of Saakashvili ... But it is unlikely to go beyond formal actions, and it is completely possible that after several years we will see Mishiko as candidates for the presidency of Georgia ...
    1. mda
      mda April 12 2013 19: 13
      0
      Quote: Chicot 1
      as candidates for the presidency of Georgia ...

      This will not change anything. The main power in Georgia under the new constitution belongs to the Prime Minister.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 April 12 2013 20: 07
        +1
        Quote: mda-a
        This will not change anything. The main power in Georgia under the new constitution belongs to the Prime Minister.

        Something has changed so often in Georgia that I won’t be surprised if the constitution fits the president ...
  23. Black
    Black April 12 2013 11: 08
    +2
    The raven will not peck out the crow.
  24. Gari
    Gari April 12 2013 11: 12
    +2
    The interview of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to the RTVi channel, more precisely, those fragments that relate to Georgia, can be regarded as “answers” ​​to the messages of the Georgian prime minister.
    Russia has a positive attitude to the pragmatic approach of the new government of Georgia, headed by Ivanishvili, to relations with Moscow, Lavrov said. But he stressed that the issue of Russia's recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia is not subject to revision.
    “We are impressed by the pragmatism with which the Bidzina Ivanishvili government approaches relations. We are ready, in addition to expanding trade ..., to cultural, humanitarian, sports contacts, ”Lavrov said. In his opinion, “if it were not for the adventure of August 2008, we could seriously advance in this direction.” “Relations were constantly“ strained ”by Mikheil Saakashvili. He made a devastating contribution to the souls and minds of many young Georgians. He consistently pursued a line of “dying out” of the Russian language, Russian culture and the memory of the historical ties connecting our countries from everyday life, ”said Sergey Lavrov.
    He noted that in Georgia "we did not bring the new government to power." “We tried not to comment on what is happening on the domestic political scene in Georgia. The choice was made by the Georgian people. We respect this choice. We are satisfied that the government wants to pragmatically resolve the issues that exist in our relations: the resumption of trade in agricultural products and drinks. By the way, energy cooperation has never been interrupted. I mean gas, electricity, Russian capital, Russian companies, ”Lavrov said. - I only welcome this, because the peoples should still remember how they lived together, were friends. I think that this friendship has not disappeared, although a very serious test is underway now. "
  25. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 11: 24
    -7
    you didn’t cross it so Dear Alexey!
    Saakashvili will be interrogated when he will not be the president of the country.
    Investigation does not go who started the war! Yes, Georgia began military operations, the so-called South Ossetia, after they killed two of our peacekeepers!
    orders will be investigated (in the documents they are)! will be investigated about the killings of civilians (If so)! the order to leave the Kodori Gorge will be investigated. Investigation of why the Tbilisi Mer commanded the Armies! Why did you leave a lot of equipment at the bases? 8 billion dollars spent why communication was not working properly, why the reserve was not ready? Why did the August 6 tell us that if hostilities in the so-called South Ossetia begin, Russia will not participate, Russia itself is outraged by the actions of the separatists, why did the August 9 say that Russia has launched a war? Why didn’t the civilians evacuate from the conflict zone! and so on!

    Oh yeah, this is not the Hague investigation about the inside of Georgia! The Hague is not involved
    1. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB April 12 2013 16: 58
      +2
      Yeah, the death of two peacekeepers on the territory of Georgia was answered by the destruction of the militaristic Russian peacekeepers, which, incidentally, are on the initiative of the United Nations, and they were still harassed by the city in the city - the righteous anger of a powerful power. I’m just afraid to imagine if there were peacekeepers from the USA to where would your grenadiers run?
    2. Rebus
      Rebus April 12 2013 17: 09
      +2
      Quote: GEOKING95
      Oh yeah, this is not the Hague investigation about the inside of Georgia! The Hague is not involved

      The Hague court is a clowning multiplied by political correctness and tolerance. They haven’t condemned a single international criminal there ... Your situation in Georgia is even more deplorable ... So give Saakashvili to us (Russia), we will find use for him ...
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 12 2013 23: 06
        +1
        Quote: Rebus
        not a single international criminal ..

        What international criminals are you talking about? The Hague Tribunal was created "for the former Yugoslavia", therefore, until now, it has been looking for, demanded extradition and "tried" mainly Serbs, of whom there are currently 28 people. Radko Mladic, Rodovan Karadzic and others. Did you mean these people when talking about international criminals?
        1. Rebus
          Rebus April 13 2013 00: 04
          0
          Quote: Tverichanka
          Among them are Radko Mladic, Rodovan Karadzic and others. Did you mean these people when talking about international criminals?

          So I write that not a single criminal was prosecuted by this "court". They "judge" only those whom their owners point to and turn a blind eye to the real criminals. If this "court" was created on crimes in Yugoslavia, then the main accused should be Clinton, who gave the order to bomb Yugoslavia ...
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 12 2013 17: 13
      +3
      Quote: GEOKING95
      Yes, Georgia began military operations, the so-called South Ossetia, after they killed two of our peacekeepers!


      and in response, Georgia destroyed 67 Russian troops under the UN mandate? enchanting!


      Quote: GEOKING95
      the order to leave the Kodori Gorge will be investigated. Investigation of why the Tbilisi Mer commanded the Armies! Why did you leave a lot of equipment at the bases? 8 billion dollars spent why communication was not working properly, why the reserve was not ready?


      I don’t give a damn about it, for me this is several times more important:
      The main event took place on the southwestern outskirts of Tskhinval, where on August 9, 2008, the heroic died Major Denis Vetchinov. At the site of the death of the Hero of Russia, a monument to Denis Vetchinov was unveiled. The monument is the same as it was opened in Vladikavkaz in 2009 and erected surrounded by Russian birches. The guard of honor, consisting of servicemen of the Ministry of Defense of South Ossetia and the 4th military base of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, fired a volley of weapons. Another element symbolizing the friendship and cooperation of the armies of Russia and South Ossetia was that at the monument to Denis Vetchinov, the solemn guard consisted of representatives of the armies of Russia and South Ossetia.
      1. Gari
        Gari April 12 2013 17: 46
        +2
        By August 2008, Saakashvili became a figure for the West, holding a hand grenade with a drawn check

        In Georgia, declassification of documents of the previous authorities of the country continues. Gia Volsky, head of the parliamentary committee for the restoration of territorial integrity, published a letter from former Georgian ambassador to the US Vasil Sikharulidze to then Foreign Minister Gele Bezhuashvili. The Americans warned the Georgian leadership against hasty and rash actions against Abkhazia and South Ossetia. What was Matthew Bryza warning Tbilisi about and what was the reaction of Saakashvili’s authorities?
        Former head of the Georgian State Chancellery, political expert Petre Mamradze says that this is not the only recommendation of the Western partners that the previous leadership of the country ignored. “For some reason, many in Georgia think that Saakashvili did everything as the Americans told him, and I personally witness how he did everything the other way around, like a capricious child. He was repeatedly told that relations with Russia should not be spoiled, thoughts about a military operation in Abkhazia and South Ossetia should not even be allowed. He was told that by doing this, Georgia would "not see NATO as its ears." These words belong to the former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. To all this, Saakashvili replied that he had no other choice, that time did not wait. In the end, he became for the West a figure holding a grenade in his hand with a drawn out check, which could explode at any time. This applies to both Abkhazia and South Ossetia, ”Mamradze said in an interview with GeorgiaTimes.
    4. smile
      smile April 12 2013 19: 52
      +3
      Geokingxnumx
      I have a question for you - why are you even calling these republics now the so-called? .. You cannot help but know that it was only thanks to the Republic of Ingushetia that at one time, then the USSR, from the small principalities for decades asked to take them under Russian protection to Georgia- it was blinded. Neither Abkhazia nor Ossetia had ever entered either the principality of Kartli, or Imereti, etc. when the Union was felled, for some reason Georgia did not ask Abkhazians, Ajarians, Ossetians if they want to live in the Great Georgian State ... what are the reasons to consider their territory to belong to Georgia?
      And as for the internal investigation - that way of course it should be carried out in your case anyway ... but is it clearly not about the guilt in starting a war? Georgia is not going to plead guilty, including to war crimes - attacks by peacekeepers, etc., And we should probably not expect a change in Georgia’s policy, am I right?
  26. vladkust
    vladkust April 12 2013 11: 31
    +2
    Most likely they will soon find him next to a tie that he did not finish lol
  27. Gari
    Gari April 12 2013 11: 50
    +1
    Bidzina G. Ivanishvili b. — Georgian political and statesman, prime minister of Georgia since October 25, 2012.
    Entrepreneur, philanthropist, owner of the Unicor group. According to Forbes, ranked 153rd among the richest people in the world.
    B. Ivanishvili was born on February 18, 1956 in the village of Chorvila near the city of Chiaturav in the Sachkher district of the Georgian SSR. My father worked as a miner at the Chiaturmanganets plant.
    In 1980, he graduated with honors from the Engineering and Economics Department of Tbilisi State University. In 1982 he entered, and in 1986 graduated from the graduate school of the Research Institute of Labor in Moscow, where he defended his thesis, becoming a candidate of economic sciences. He worked as a senior researcher at the branch of the Research Institute of Labor in Tbilisi.
    In the late 1980s, he created a cooperative for the production of reinforced hoses at the Foundry and Mechanical Plant. Kamo. Engaged in the sale of computers in Tbilisi and Moscow.
    From 1988 to 1990, he was deputy head of department at the All-Union Center for Commercial Information (VCCI) of the Federation of Non-Professional Filmmakers of the Society of Friends of Cinema (Moscow) [5], and in 1988 (according to other sources in 1990 [5]) he began working in the cooperative " Agroprogress ”, organized by Vitaly Malkin with friends.
    In 1990, he founded the bank “Russian Credit” [6], taking the presidency (according to other sources, served as deputy chairman of the board — president, then first vice president) and member of the Board of Directors, two years later became a member of the Board of Directors of AKB “ MarkPolBank ”(Moscow). From 1994 to this day, he has been holding the position of First Vice President of Russian Credit Bank, during the same period Ivanishvili left for the USA, then to France [where he buys real estate [
    Since May 1995 - General Director of Infintrade LLP He was the founder of Triada-1 LLP, which owned a stake in Lebedinsky GOK JSC [In 1997, he created the Metalloinvest holding company to manage industrial assets and real estate.
    In 2000, First Deputy General Director of Stoilensky GOK; Later, in 2002, he created the Doctor Stoletov pharmacy chain. From November 2003 to May 2006, he was a member of the Board of Directors of OJSC CB Impexbank.
    In 2004, after the Rose Revolution, he moved to live in his native village in Georgia, and transferred asset management functions to Unikor Asset Management. Then Ivanishvili and his partners sold metallurgical assets to a group of investors led by Alisher Usmanov.
    At the beginning of 2005, among the assets of Ivanishvili were Impexbank (in 2007 it was reorganized in the form of a merger with Raiffeisenbank Austria CJSC), Russian Credit Bank (in 2012 it was purchased by a pool of private entrepreneurs and bankers), the agricultural corporation Stoilenskaya Niva ( revenue in 2003 - 4 billion rubles; in 2012 purchased by the American investment fund Arco International Group), the pharmacy chain Doctor Stoletov (bought in 2012 by the pharmaceutical distributor Imperia-Pharma), hotels Minsk and Centralnaya and other industrial assets in the regions of Russia
    Shortly before the parliamentary elections in Georgia on October 1, 2012, he got rid of most of his assets in Russia, however, the British Guardian newspaper claimed that Ivanishvili owns a large stake in Gazprom. In May 2012, Ivanishvili himself assessed the Russian direction as a priority for his business.
    From his statements: “During the reign of Saakashvili, such small, big and unforgivable mistakes were made (and continue today) that in his place any sober and prudently minded politician would have left politics early and apologized to his people.”


    The son of a miner from the village - and before the Prime Minister
    1. I think so
      I think so April 12 2013 23: 51
      0
      "Handsome ..." An ordinary thief who managed to grab the kusman from the Soviet people dumbfounded by the perestroika ... Now such people are almost everywhere at the helm of the former Soviet republics. But, the truth is better than a crazy addict ...
  28. Gari
    Gari April 12 2013 11: 52
    0
    Ivanishvili was actively involved in charity work in Georgia, investing significant amounts in his native region, financially supporting the activities of cultural and infrastructure facilities
    The best roads in Georgia, in my native village there is a super modern hospital and a sports complex with a swimming pool. The Ivanishvili Charitable Foundation also provided the reconstruction and repair of the Tbilisi State Concert Hall, the restoration of more than two hundred churches, and the rehabilitation of the Batumi Dolphinarium. Ivanishvili invested about $ 20 million in the construction of the Tsitsinatela children's center in the Kobuleti region and over $ 30 million in the construction of the main cathedral Sameba (Trinity) in Tbilisi. With regard to a number of objects built with his money, Ivanishvili insisted that they remain in state ownership.
    1. I think so
      I think so April 13 2013 00: 02
      +1
      If his charity is not a PR, then even his conscience may have remained a little bit, therefore he is trying to pay off part of it (conscience) as part of the stolen. But conscience (if any) cannot be fooled ...
  29. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 12 2013 11: 55
    +3
    Tell me please, why does Georgia need these poor Abkhazia and South Ossetia, what is it for the sake of which it is necessary to start a war, where they found huge reserves of oil or gas, gold, diamonds, or they occupy a strategically important position, or maybe they are asking to be part of Georgia and the spiteful Russia is not letting in, it may already be time to admit that all this is being done at the direction of some "good" uncles or aunt from one distant overseas country, who, by and large, do not care about Georgia, in this country most of the population and on the map Georgia will find, let the Georgian people not be offended by me, but your country is a "Banana Republic" which has an owner, let's call everything by its proper names, and the Georgian government will carry out the ORDERS, and there is no need to download rights since ancient times and still operates in politics the rule "Who is strong is right, only the strong belongs to the world", in Russia they were able to be convinced of this after the collapse of the USSR, when we became weak and wrong all around.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 12: 17
      -9
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Please tell me, why do Georgia need these poor Abkhazia and South Ossetia, what is that for which it is necessary to start a war,

      Are you serialized?
      Quote: Standard Oil
      there that they found huge reserves of oil or gas, gold, diamonds or they occupy a strategically important position

      Abkhazia really has oil reserves like in Tskhinval but not enough! Yes, this is a strategic important area! and if we were under our control, the economy would grow! Yes, looking for 300 000 refugees from Abkhazia and from Tskhinval 80 000 who were expelled from the houses of the 90's and 2008's! maybe isho this is the historical land of Georgia

      oh yes please do not start the fact that this is not our land :)
      1. танк
        танк April 12 2013 13: 18
        +2
        You started a war against the civilian population, you lost it by running away, afraid to tail your tails, forget about these lands, you can squeal further that these are your lands, only who needs it now?

        That's what happens when a sick person comes to power and shows his worthless ambitions, bending down to the west. The most interesting thing is that even Georgians will remember him as a tie-eater)))) and no one else
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 14: 16
          -7
          Quote: tank
          You started a war against civilians,

          then tell me! 4 years waiting for these confirmation! yes Our rule did not adequately do the action, but against the civilian population this is simple propaganda!

          Quote: tank
          forget about these lands, you can scream further that these are your lands, only who needs it now?

          why should I forget these lands? and why should the people at whom there were ladies be forgotten, and where did they spend all their life?
          Quote: tank
          This is what happens when a sick person comes to power and shows his worthless ambitions, bending down to the west.

          Thank you for that! we did not choose west at the beginning of 90's!
          Quote: tank
          Most interestingly, even Georgians will remember him as a tie-eater))

          let him stay and cut eggs for it
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 12 2013 17: 19
            +5
            Quote: GEOKING95

            then tell me!

            To prove what the whole world already knows, stop lying to yourself!
            Quote: GEOKING95
            ! yes Our rule did not adequately do the action, but against the civilian population this is simple propaganda!

            Grads in Tskhenval is not adequate, this is a crime!
            Quote: GEOKING95
            why should I forget these lands?

            Because now it is a land independent of Georgia and will always be so. Russia will not allow another option.
            Quote: GEOKING95
            ! we did not choose the west in the early 90's!

            you chose Saakashvilli and screamed thousands in his support in the squares.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 12 2013 18: 34
            +2
            Quote: GEOKING95
            then tell me! 4 years waiting for these confirmation!


            and why should anyone prove something to you? If you so much (four years already) are waiting for evidence and evidence, then I think you yourself are able to find the answers.

            By the way, I personally watched from beginning to end the Georgian-American film "5 Days in August", the Russian war crimes against the Georgian civilian population, the idiocy of the Russian military is just a song !!!

            here in this frame, Russian soldiers destroy peaceful Georgians wassat
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 19: 02
              0
              Quote: Karlsonn
              and why should anyone prove something to you? If you so much (four years already) are waiting for evidence and evidence, then I think you yourself are able to find the answers.

              Have not found
              Quote: Karlsonn
              By the way, I personally watched from beginning to end the Georgian-American film "5 Days in August", the Russian war crimes against the Georgian civilian population, the idiocy of the Russian military is just a song !!!

              Propaganda movie I do not watch! looked)
              Quote: Karlsonn
              here in this frame, Russian soldiers destroy peaceful Georgians

              this is propaganda) Russians did not kill civilians! Well 1 times when the pilot didn’t aim well and hammered at home!
              and Ossetian militias I can’t say that! were around Tskhinval? Where were the Georgian villages?
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 12 2013 23: 57
                0
                Quote: GEOKING95
                Have not found

                looking bad.




                Quote: GEOKING95
                Propaganda movie I do not watch! looked)





                Quote: GEOKING95
                The Russians did not kill civilians! Well, 1 time when the pilot did not aim well and hammered at home!


                well then war and war, as you know, politicians begin, and civilians suffer.


                Quote: GEOKING95
                and Ossetian militias I can’t say that! were around Tskhinval? Where were the Georgian villages?


                Although I personally recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, at the same time I perceive the hostilities between these two peoples and Georgians as a civil war, there is nothing crazier than a civil war!
                But this does not remove the guilt of the political and military leadership of Georgia for the crimes.
            2. Gari
              Gari April 12 2013 20: 01
              +1
              Quote: Karlsonn
              here in this frame, Russian soldiers destroy peaceful Georgians

              This ,, Russian soldier ,, has an interesting tattoo on his arm
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 13 2013 00: 03
                +1
                Quote: Gari
                This ,, Russian soldier ,, has an interesting tattoo on his arm


                in this film this "Russian" is presented as a Cossack, I really don't understand who he is in the film what either the head of the punitive detachment, or the adjutant of the main "Russian chief" - "Boris, you fuck it," but in the film, this head viper, stripped to the waist, shines with prison tattoos, as I understood the American and Georgian creators of this film decided to convey the idea to the English-speaking viewer :
                - they say the Russians again drove the prisoners from the Gulag to the war. hi
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            mnbv199
            mnbv199 April 13 2013 08: 20
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            why should I forget these lands?

            Georgia was part of the Russian Empire ...
            Then why should I forget these lands?
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  • воронов
    воронов April 13 2013 19: 10
    0
    Quote: GEOKING95
    Why should I forget these lands?

    Because these are sovereign, independent states, the Republic of Abkhazia and the Republic of South Ossetia !!! And you do not belong there.
  • AndreyAB
    AndreyAB April 12 2013 17: 01
    +1
    And the earth doesn’t give a damn what madmen (fleas) kill each other naively assuming themselves masters, how many such madmen have passed through this land? Only a peaceful and respectful attitude towards each other and towards the earth will first of all ensure a decent and happy life for people, but you cannot build it on blood.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 12 2013 23: 22
      0
      Quote: AndreyAB
      And the earth doesn't give a damn

      A million pluses to you for such wise words !!!! if everyone still thought the same, there would be a fabulous life on a beautiful planet !!!! "It's a pity, you won't have to live beautiful at this time ..."
  • I think so
    I think so April 13 2013 00: 17
    0
    "... and if they were under our control, the economy would have increased! ..."

    Well, ridiculed, so ridiculed ... The Georgians themselves can not get out of the EXTREME poverty, and if you walk under THEIR CONTROL somewhere, something could increase ... Full of fun. The main thing is under their control. I don’t want to work for myself, I don’t want to raise my country - but I want to CONTROL a foreign country. Here is their true face ...
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz April 12 2013 11: 55
    0
    Saakashvili is already a political corpse and, for the West, waste material.
    Initiation by the West of an investigation into the circumstances of August 2008 is hardly aimed at establishing the truth. The fact that this will be done by the Georgian prosecutor’s office does not change anything.
    The purpose of the West: to raise the topic of conflict, they did it and they do not care the result.
    Yes, the investigation will condemn the actions of Saakashvili. But at the same time, the Georgian prosecutor’s office will try to find (create) facts (albeit in trifles) that speak against Russia (this is necessary for a certain part of the electorate).
    Given the fact that progress towards the resumption of relations between Russia and Georgia is already fragile and insignificant, it is beneficial for the West to raise a topic regarding which the quarrel has ended, but the parties have not yet moved away from resentment.
  • AntonR7
    AntonR7 April 12 2013 11: 56
    +1
    It was necessary to take and annex Georgia in 2008 and spit on the opinion of the world community. The action is called the collection of Russian lands within the borders of 1917. )))
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 12: 28
      -2
      Quote: AntonR7
      It was necessary to take and annex Georgia in the 2008 year and spit on the opinion of the world community.

      and the opinion of the people)
      1. lubin
        lubin April 12 2013 12: 43
        +3

        It was necessary to take and annex Georgia in the 2008 year and spit on the opinion of the world community.
        and the opinion of the people) Naturally after the voluntary consent of the people. drinks
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 14: 23
          -2
          Quote: lubin
          Naturally after the voluntary consent of the people.

          if Abkhazia and Tskhinval will be in Gruzyski then maybe yes!
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 12 2013 16: 47
            +3
            Quote: GEOKING95
            if Abkhazia and Tskhinval will be in Gruzyski then maybe yes!

            laughing

            tell it to the Ossetians (1991-1992, 2004, 2008) and the Abkhazians (1989,1992-1993,1998,2001,2008) wassat , and I'll see what they answer you.
            and do not forget about the right to self-determination of peoples.
          2. smile
            smile April 12 2013 20: 04
            +2
            Geokingxnumx
            Now I put you a plus, the point is. that such a thing was and was possible only in the Republic of Ingushetia and later in the Union ... your ancestors did not just ask for protection, we not only saved them. they also formed a republic, which did not have a chance to appear in any other development of events .... well, so what was the matter :)))) ask again, again, like two hundred years ago, we will consider the request, friendship is always better than look at each other over the aiming rail ... :))))
          3. воронов
            воронов April 13 2013 19: 16
            0
            Quote: GEOKING95
            Abkhazia and Tskhinval will be in Georgian

            We drove through, now they will never be part of Georgia. Yes, and soon Kirdyk, because it is not a viable state
      2. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. April 12 2013 12: 52
        +5
        Quote: GEOKING95
        and the opinion of the people

        But you want to join not your lands with not your peoples and you are not at all interested in their opinion. I had heard this opinion in Abkhazia. Are you aware that they do not respect you a little?
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 14: 20
          -1
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          But you do not want to attach your lands

          Why not ours?
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          with not your people

          Why not our nations?
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          they are not at all interested in their opinion.

          Who said?
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          I had heard this opinion in Abkhazia. Are you aware that they do not respect you a little?

          Of course I vkurse! Yes, he served as in the beginning classes to teach that the Georgians are bad, they are wild, etc. even they have a verse about it!
          and you will talk with refugees from Abkhazia and ask for their opinion too! We do not say that they do not live there (well, most) we do not drive them!

          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 14: 57
            +5
            better i shut up
          2. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. April 12 2013 15: 52
            +4
            Quote: GEOKING95
            Why not ours?

            We, after all, have already discussed this. Georgia became part of Russia in the form of incomplete Kakheti (along Alazan) and a little more. The rest of Russia was recaptured from Turkey, from Persia, from wild mountaineers. And in most cases, Georgians, if they lived, have already converted to Islam.
            And all this was presented to Georgia. And you did not treat the gifts themselves well, and the donors. So do not be offended now that only a couple of gifts were taken back. Moreover, neither the Abkhaz, nor the Ossetians are relatives of the Georgians, neither by language nor by origin. And the refugees from Abkhazia, after all, they themselves were not indigenous people there. They settled down at a party and began to strain the owners with Gamsakhurdievs: "Georgia for Georgians." I also do not want that after a while the zealous guests who have multiplied, suddenly start talking in the same way, for example: "Maskva for apricots."

            I expect you to be critical of what is happening with you, at least for some mistakes you should be aware of your guilt. And then again, just some Wishlist.
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 17: 13
              +1
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              and. Georgia became part of Russia in the form of incomplete Kakheti (along Alazan) and a little more. The rest of Russia was recaptured from Turkey, from Persia, from wild mountaineers. And in most cases, Georgians, if they lived, have already converted to Islam.

              Stop! there were Two Georgian kingdoms of Katrl-Kakheti and Imereti, and were sought (But small)! Russia has recaptured Tao Klardzheti Akhaltsikhe Adzharia and Guria too!
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              And all this was presented to Georgia. And you reacted to the gifts themselves not well, and to the donors. So do not be offended now that only a couple of gifts were taken back.

              gimmicks have already taken in 1921 year
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              . Moreover, neither Abkhazians nor Ossetians are Georgians any relatives, neither by language nor by origin

              Abkhazians Gruzini like Mingrelli Swan Fschavi! and Ossetians not Georgians Ossetians always lived in North Ossetia!
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              We settled down at a party and began to strain the owners with Gamsakhurdiev: "Georgia for Georgians"

              Well, yes, we’ll kill us all! it was just propaganda) Shevardnadze worked well
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. April 12 2013 17: 54
                +7
                Quote: GEOKING95
                Two Georgian kingdom Katrl-Kakheti and Imereti

                It was, there was an Imereti kingdom. Only not independent, as part of Kakheti and inner Kartlia, but as part of Turkey, tribute (taxes) was paid including and slaves and slaves. After Russia defeated Turkey in the Kuchuk-Kainardzhiysky world of 1774 (after which Crimea became part of Russia), some later Georgian principalities gained independence from Turkey: Guria, Kutais, Imereti. After this, Persia carved Imereti. As a result, Imeretia requested the signing of the following document with a curious name with Russia: April 25, 1804, in the presence of the Commander-in-Chief in Georgia Prince. Tsitsianova, king of Imereti signed an act of his "eternal and faithful slavery to the Russian state". So Imereti should not be confused with Kakheti and Kartliya. Moreover, there is still a long way to Abkhazia. Svaneti, etc.

                The Abkhazian language belongs to the Abkhaz-Adyghe group of the North Caucasian language family, and Georgians (ქართველები) are the people of the Kartvelian language family, and Mingrelians and Svans are other language groups in relation to Georgians.

                I don’t care about your local kings, but Judah Shevarnadze needs to drive an aspen stake so that he-Judah will be damned even in the next world.
                1. I think so
                  I think so April 13 2013 00: 35
                  +2
                  Dear Nicholas S Well, do not argue with the dropout who does not even know the history of YOUR (?) Country and does not want to know. Whatever you say to him - all in vain ...
          3. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 12 2013 16: 59
            +5
            Quote: GEOKING95
            Why not ours?

            Abkhazia, like Ossetia, became part of Russia independently of Georgia.

            Quote: GEOKING95
            Why not our nations?

            their peoples are not subjected to ethnic cleansing.


            Quote: GEOKING95
            Who said?

            The Georgian state is rather peculiarly interested in the opinion of the Abkhaz and Ossetian people, so peculiar that a whole generation of Abkhazians and Ossetians have perceived Georgians as enemies.


            Quote: GEOKING95
            and you will talk with refugees from Abkhazia and ask for their opinion too!


            Quote: GEOKING95
            we do not drive them!


            You do not expel them, your government and your army are stupidly killing them.
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 17: 17
              -2
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Abkhazia, like Ossetia, became part of Russia independently of Georgia.

              there was no Abkhazia! Abkhazia was part of the Imereti kingdom!
              Ossetia is not ours! but Ossetia is North Ossetia, South Ossetia did not exist until the 20 century))
              Quote: Karlsonn
              their peoples are not subjected to ethnic cleansing.

              true? I recall the ethnic chistak against Georgians 90's?
              Quote: Karlsonn
              The Georgian state is rather peculiarly interested in the opinion of the Abkhaz and Ossetian people, so peculiar that a whole generation of Abkhazians and Ossetians have perceived Georgians as enemies.

              Ossetians and real Abkhazians also live in the rest of Georgia! ))) they have a different opinion! even in Adzharia more Abkhazians live than in Abkhazia itself

              Quote: Karlsonn
              You do not expel them, your government and your army are stupidly killing them.

              if you are talking about 2008 year) prove it) I'm already waiting for this 4 year! I don’t see it

              at least study the history of Georgia until the 18 century!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 12 2013 17: 59
                +2
                Quote: GEOKING95
                there was no Abkhazia! Abkhazia was part of the Imereti kingdom!

                Oh really? belay please remind me in what century and under what king the center of the Abkhaz kingdom was transferred to Imereti? and also, I forgot something when Lazika entered the Abkhazian kingdom, and when part of Kakheti and the northern part of Tao-Klargetia?
                Abkhazia did not exist exclusively in an alternative reality and in the heads of some Georgians living in our reality.


                Quote: GEOKING95
                Ossetia is not ours! but Ossetia is North Ossetia, South Ossetia did not exist until the 20 century))

                read Georgian geographer Papuna Orbeliani, you will discover a lot for yourself wink .




                Quote: GEOKING95
                true? I recall the ethnic chistak against Georgians 90's?


                yeah, let's remember the past:
                - how the Georgians staged an ethnic, bloody massacre in South Ossetia in the summer of 1920;
                - the massacre of 1918-21 of the year in Abkhazia.


                Quote: GEOKING95
                Ossetians and real Abkhazians also live in the rest of Georgia! ))) they have a different opinion! even in Adzharia more Abkhazians live than in Abkhazia itself


                does this somehow change the fact that a whole generation of people has grown up in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia for whom Georgia is synonymous with the word war?


                Quote: GEOKING95
                if you are talking about 2008 year) prove it) I'm already waiting for this 4 year! I don’t see it


                go to Tskhinval, talk to people, you don’t seem to be far away? wassat


                Quote: GEOKING95
                at least study the history of Georgia until the 18 century!


                judging by the fact that neither Abkhazia nor South Ossetia existed for you - you need to learn history wink .
                1. Geokingxnumx
                  Geokingxnumx April 12 2013 18: 27
                  -2
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  Oh really? please remind me in what century and under what king the center of the Abkhaz kingdom was transferred to Imereti? and also, I forgot something when Lazika entered the Abkhazian kingdom, and when part of Kakheti and the northern part of Tao-Klargetia?
                  Abkhazia did not exist exclusively in an alternative reality and in the heads of some Georgians living in our reality.

                  the country of Abkhazia did not exist! I’m jerking! something I did not understand half the comment

                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  read the Georgian geographer Papuna Orbeliani, you will discover a lot for yourself.

                  where not to be on the Internet?
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  yeah, let's remember the past:
                  - how the Georgians staged an ethnic, bloody massacre in South Ossetia in the summer of 1920;
                  - the massacre of 1918-21 of the year in Abkhazia.

                  it is they who are up! and it has already been a third time! I don’t remember that civilians were killed! I remember that several villages were burned!
                  18-21 what massacres in Abkhazia are we talking about? There was a battle against the Bolsheviks!
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  does this somehow change the fact that a whole generation of people has grown up in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia for whom Georgia is synonymous with the word war?

                  in Abkhazia seek and live Georgians))
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  go to Tskhinval, talk to people, you don’t seem to be far away?

                  and you are traveling with our refugees, you can talk)) 08 was not simple at this time and the army would not have made ethnic clean. but if there is a reserve then it could be!
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  judging by the fact that neither Abkhazia nor South Ossetia existed for you - you need to learn history

                  )) You only know the history of Georgia from the 18 century before! but then no)
                  1. Chicot 1
                    Chicot 1 April 12 2013 20: 43
                    +5
                    What a curious card you have, dear GEORING95. Very entertaining. Where have you unearthed such an interesting one? ..
                    Even a cursory glance at her is enough to find significant inconsistencies ...
                    Well, for example, "KABARDIAN CLANS" apparently means nothing more than "Kabardian clans". And the Kabardians (unlike the same Vainakhs) at the end of the 18th century did not actually have clans, but had a real feudal structure. A kind, not quite in the classical sense of it, but it is feudal ...
                    Next - where did the Balkars go? .. Or were they boldly entered into "KARACHAY" (ie, into the Karachais)? Indeed, even despite the fact that the Balkars and Karachais belong to the same language group (Turkic), they are two different peoples ...
                    And what kind of massif is this "CIRCASSIA"? .. It must be assumed "Circassia" ... So, Circassia is a rather small territory bordering directly on Kabarda and Karachai. But what is to the east is already Adygea. And in those days, in addition to the Adyghes (as such), the Ubykhs, Kasogs, Shapsugs inhabited it. That is, the peoples of the Adyghe language group are related to the Kabardians and Circassians. And also there, at the same time, the so-called. Nekrasov Cossacks ...
                    And about the "Ottoman control" on the territory of "Circassia" is not so simple ...
                    So this card is fake, however. wink And treasure can not be found on it ... laughing YYY
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn April 13 2013 00: 41
                      +4
                      Chicot 1 hi

                      I'll get the globe of Ukraine and comrade Geokingxnumx completely stinks wassat as I understand it, he’s not aware that it’s not just the DINOSAURS, but even Adam and Eve descended from ancient ukrov, and on this basis Ukraine has territorial claims on the whole globe. bully
                    2. lilit.193
                      lilit.193 April 19 2013 11: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: Chicot 1
                      So, Circassia is a fairly small territory bordering directly with Kabarda and Karachay. But the fact that to the east is Adygea.

                      Adygea is located west Kabardino-Balkaria and Karachay-Cherkessia, and not east. wink
                  2. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 13 2013 00: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    the country of Abkhazia did not exist!

                    Was there an Abkhazian kingdom? Owned Western Georgia?


                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    where not to be on the Internet?


                    select with the mouse (holding the right key) - the Georgian geographer Papuna Orbeliani, release the right mouse button, press the left one, a table pops up, the third line from the bottom --- Search on Google "Georgian geographer Papuna Orbeliani", click on this line with the right mouse button and fellow read!

                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    it is they who are up! and it has already been a third time!


                    I wonder why all of a sudden?


                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    I don’t remember that civilians were killed! I remember that several villages were burned!


                    and Ossetians remember, and by the way I am aware - civilian casualties, according to various sources, range from 5 to 700 people.


                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    18-21 what massacres in Abkhazia are we talking about? There was a battle against the Bolsheviks!


                    well, in Abkhazia it was not as severe as in Ossetia, but even there villages were burned and people were cut, Georgians under the leadership of the Mensheviks did not fight with the Bolsheviks, but wanted to grab foreign land during the chaos, "In the Sochi and Sukhum districts, forcibly captured by Georgians, - wrote A.I. Denikin in "Essays on Russian Troubles," - the disenfranchised position of the natives and the Russian element, oppressed by Georgian authorities and immoderate Georgianization and ruinous economic policy. "

                    Well, on account of whether such a country was Abkhazia or not, let us turn to the sources.



                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    )) You only know the history of Georgia from the 18 century before! but then no)


                    How do you know what I know and what not? belay
                  3. smile
                    smile April 13 2013 05: 58
                    +1
                    Geokingxnumx
                    Okay, we’ve got it, and it will be ....
                    I must admit that you are worthy of respect ... and compared with some of your compatriots, you are a white swan .... well, there’s one more question for you - for me it’s important, don’t want to, don’t answer naturally, but do you see the probability peaceful coexistence, including republics not recognized by you? And how do you think we should behave so that Georgians begin to treat us normally? But are the Georgians ready to admit any guilt, or will everyone blame the unfortunate Mishiko? And how do you think we should react if the Georgians, including under the new government, try to crawl under the United States?
                    Forgive me, such a lout, but I really care about these issues and, in general, the topic of normalizing relations with you .... I don’t have any sane Georgians with whom I esteem ... if you are not lazy, answer ... thanks in advance....
                    you see, we have recently been very successful in fighting and cursing ... it happened ..... interesting, but in your opinion, is there any chance of making friends ....
    2. smile
      smile April 12 2013 20: 00
      +2
      AntonR7
      Oh well, to hell - you imagine what expenses it would have poured ... to feed them, to restore that. what Mishiko did ... And in general, for two decades of monstrous propaganda, Russophobic Georgians would not have welcomed such a turn ... and in general - we would not have laundered and proved for ever. that they did not provoke a conflict with the aim of acquiring territories ... no, it’s right that they did not attach their lost lands ...
  • WW3
    WW3 April 12 2013 12: 03
    +2
    A little off topic - the news had fun
    Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili fell off his bicycle, broke his arm and ended up in a hospital. The incident happened in Istanbul, where a Georgian politician is on a visit.

    The incident occurred on Sunday while cycling. The head of the Caucasian state was immediately taken to the hospital, the RBC news agency reported with reference to the Turkish publication Hürriyet. Because of the fracture, Saakashvili will have to miss several meetings and events. All negotiations were postponed to April 9th.

    Meanwhile, this is not the only "bicycle" incident in the Saakashvili family. So, in July 2012, a bicycle was stolen from a son of the Georgian president, 16-year-old Edward, in New York. Saakashvili emphasized that there were surveillance cameras everywhere, and, nevertheless, the bicycle was missing anyway. He then seized the opportunity and then reproached the West, setting his country as an example, where, according to him, there are almost no video cameras or offenses.
    http://achinsknews.ru/saakashvili-popal-v-bolnicu-upav-s-velosipeda-8183/
    1. I think so
      I think so April 13 2013 00: 41
      +1
      He criticized the West, but they don’t like this - they hinted (breaking his arm) that we don’t have to say, otherwise we’ll break our neck ... And now it’s clear that we’ve begun to break our neck too ... I think Western specialists will end up with him for fun with a bicycle - well, for example, the neck between the spokes will get stuck ...
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 12 2013 12: 05
    +1
    Or maybe it's easier? Saakashvili's value is 0. He was simply written off for unnecessary reasons, and The Hague "tearing him into caresses" will show everyone how objective, honest they are, they say everyone is equal before the court. Then, relying on the created image, they will begin to "judge" the very same Assad or someone else who does not want to follow the path of "democracy".
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo April 12 2013 17: 17
    +1
    On November 5, 2008, at an official press conference held under the auspices of NATO in Riga, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili presented his own version of the outbreak of the war, according to which this war was Russia's aggression against Georgia, which began from the territory of Ukraine. According to this version, the beginning of the conflict should be considered the exit of the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet “fully armed” from Sevastopol to the coast of Georgia, which occurred at least 6 days before the first shots on the administrative border with South Ossetia.

    According to Saakashvili, Ukrainian President Yushchenko tried to stop the Black Sea Fleet by his decree, but Russia ignored him. This version is disputed by Ukrainian and Russian media, indicating that Yushchenko’s decree appeared only on August 13, that is, 5 days after the start of the war, and after Russian President Medvedev officially announced the cessation of the military operation.

    Also in November 2008, Saakashvili stated that Russia did not go to conquer all of Georgia because it understood the readiness of the Armed Forces of Georgia to resist it. “For the first time after World War II, the Georgian army forced Russian generals to flee the battlefield,” the Georgian president said. At the same time, he is convinced that 95% of the combat-ready part of the Russian Armed Forces fought against Georgia, “17-19 (Russian) aircraft were shot down. The 58th Russian army was actually burned by the 4th (Georgian) brigade. ” In general, Saakashvili is very pleased with the actions of the Georgian Armed Forces. “The Georgian army put up approximate resistance to the monster - the armies of a large country,” the Georgian president noted. However, according to him, “when the 58th Army was defeated, Russia deployed ground and air forces. They released more than half of their Iskander stock. ”
    On May 26, 2009, Saakashvili said that Russian troops planned to take control not only of Georgia, but also of the entire Black Sea-Caspian region, but this did not happen due to the valor of the Georgian military.
    1. I think so
      I think so April 13 2013 00: 51
      0
      Everyone, including the West, has long known that Saakashvili is a drug addict who uses heroin. On this basis, suffers from mental disorders. It is not surprising that in his speeches there is no traceability. He is in his rainbow illusions and REALLY perceives the world around him ...
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt April 12 2013 17: 41
    +1
    In any case, normalization of relations is always beneficial and should be welcomed. And with Sahaki ...., let the people of Georgia understand - this is his right, and not his patrons.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 12 2013 18: 06
      0
      Quote: VadimSt
      And with Sahaki ...., let the people of Georgia understand - this is his right, not his patrons.


      But what about the rights of Ossetians and Abkhazians? the rights of Russian soldiers and officers?
      international law quite clearly regulates the issue of war crimes.
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt April 12 2013 19: 04
        0
        Do you sincerely believe in a fair trial and public condemnation from the European Parliament, PACE, OSCE and all other "democrats"? I’m not even talking about the international tribunal as a clade of Western values ​​and justice.
        Bidzin Ivanishvili's statement, in itself, bears a great political resonance. If Georgia itself understands and draws conclusions about the fact of aggression on the part of Saakashvili's regime, then all "democrats" and patrons will have to wipe their snot.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 13 2013 00: 44
          0
          Quote: VadimSt
          Do you sincerely believe in a fair trial and public condemnation from the European Parliament, PACE, OSCE and all other "democrats"? I’m not even talking about the international tribunal as a clade of Western values ​​and justice.


          no, of course, but Saddam's example is indicative - he was needed, he was seated on the throne, he became unnecessary - he was hanged.
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt April 12 2013 18: 27
    0
    Well, you have a mug, Misha, well, a vile mug!
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses April 12 2013 19: 46
    +1
    Mishiko is a political corpse, and there is nothing to discuss here.
    The Georgian internal political showdowns do not bother me much either.
    Here is who, when and how will be responsible for the death of Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia ????
  • UFO
    UFO April 12 2013 20: 46
    0
    Another performance. It would be better if he was tested for different orientations, there will be a bunch of anomalies, and the book was presented "On tasty and healthy food." laughing
  • stranik72
    stranik72 April 12 2013 22: 14
    0
    Something a lot of honor to remember is NOTHING.
  • werewolf
    werewolf April 12 2013 22: 16
    +2
    SORRY ME
    I KNOW, STONES ARE FLYING AT ME NOW ... BUT, I TURNED IN THIS SAUCE FOR 15 YEARS ... AND SO, BEGIN WITH THAT I CAME OUT ... 50% OF THE SO CALLED .. "THIEFS IN THE LAW" ON THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA " GRIZLI "(GEORGIANS) THEY WILL NEVER GO TO ESTABLISHING INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS BETWEEN MOSCOW AND" TIBILISI "- IF THIS HAPPENS - THEN KHANA TO ALL" grandfathers hasan "HAVE THEM ..." FEED "IN RUSSIA !!! georgia "DANCING TO THEIR SOOT !!! THIS IS WHOM IT IS NECESSARY TO "CUM" IN THE FIRST TIME !!!! IF OUR MANAGEMENT HAPPENS WISDOM AND THIS NODE WILL BE BROKEN ... THEN BETWEEN ORTHODOX RUSSIANS AND ORTHODOX GEORGINS WILL BE REALLY BROTHERLY RELATIONSHIP ... AND THEY WILL RETURN "AND"
  • Russian knight
    Russian knight April 12 2013 22: 37
    +2
    Quote: 755962
    Quote: NKVD
    when Georgia gives Russia to Sahak for trial ...

    Saka is just a wooden doll ... But the puppeteer ...



    I propose to urgently hold a referendum on the issue of punishment for Misha Saakashvili. Who would hang him for the "Faberge" comrade Putin? drinks
  • UFO
    UFO April 12 2013 22: 58
    +1
    Quote: Werwolf
    I KNOW THE STONES WILL FLY IN ME NOW ...

    And for what "stones"? Everything is correctly said. I will add: it would be nice to borrow the legislative initiative from Georgia, when recognizing oneself as a "thief in law" (and a thief is obliged to call himself by definition) automatically entails arrest (until re-education). wink
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt April 13 2013 00: 48
    0
    Quote: UFO
    it would be nice to borrow the legislative initiative from Georgia, when recognizing oneself as a "thief in law" (and a thief is obliged to call himself by definition) automatically entails arrest (until re-education).

    It would be interesting to look at the results of a roll-call vote - at least in the Russian State Duma, at least in the Ukrainian Rada!
  • de klermon
    de klermon April 13 2013 01: 20
    0
    For lovers of ancient Georgian cartography: I’ve found a map of Genghis Khan’s empire ... Is it time to start fearing Mongolia? And everyone: from Vienna to the Yangtze !!!)))

    Our dear little brothers from Transcaucasia! Do you know what is the difference between the war in Chechnya and your "little victorious" one in Ossetia? Read:
    - half of the Chechens were waiting for the arrival of the federals (see "Kadyrovtsy" and others) and actively fought on the side of the Russian authorities - this time;
    - Chechnya is a purely domestic conflict, and Ossetia is 80% inhabited by citizens of the Russian Federation, there were Russian peacekeepers - these are two;
    - In Chechnya, the Russians fought with the Russians, and Georgia in Ossetia began by killing Russian citizens and peacekeepers (aggression in the full sense!) - these are three;
    - Well, fourthly, Russia has never ceased to be present in Chechnya - pensions, allowances, subsidies, did everything it could, depending on the situation! What about Georgia? Yes, they HATE Georgia for its behavior in Abkhazia and Ossetia !!!
    That’s the difference, in short !!!
    1. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 13 2013 01: 37
      -1
      Quote: de Klermon
      "kadyrovtsy"

      They are on the choke, while Allah gives money all kind of good, as well as a pig ryuske.
      Quote: de Klermon
      the Russians fought with the Russians

      fought with Wahhabis and other scam
  • de klermon
    de klermon April 13 2013 01: 22
    0
    Typo: I meant, of course, "dear brothers"!)))
  • zinander
    zinander April 15 2013 21: 00
    0
    It’s time to run away to Mishiko somewhere to the Samali pirates, so that no one would find. Although most likely this is not serious, the raven will not peck out the raven. Judging by the work of the tribunal in the former Yugoslavia there are no illusions.