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ORSIS weapon systems increase the level of training for FSB officers

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PROMTECHNOLOGY LLC presented the ORSIS rifle at the exhibition at the Golitsyn Border Institute of the FSB, the company's press service reported.


From 9 to 10 in April, the 9th Interdepartmental Scientific and Practical Conference “History creations, development dialectics, combat use experience, current state and trends of further development weapons special services "and the thematic exhibition, which became the company" Promtechnology ".

The exhibition included small arms and artillery weapons, optical observation devices and sights, personal anti-bullet protection equipment, as well as interactive training complexes to improve the skills of shooting training.


PROMTECHNOLOGY demonstrated to visitors more than once the worthy performance of the T-5000 rifles in the caliber .338 LM and .308Win, as well as the Glock Gen4 pistols of three modifications (17, 34 in the caliber 9Х19 and xNUMX, in the chine, in the chine, in the chine, 17 hx, in the chyne, and in the chine-ken-17XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. which are collected under license at the facilities of the ORSIS arms factory. Presented products caused great interest among visitors.

The organizers of the exhibition handed a diploma to the Director General of PROMTEKHNOLOGIYA LLC Alexei Sorokin for the provision of made-to-stock samples and advanced weapons equipment from the FSB of Russia, which contributed to the increase in the level of the conference and the training of security officers.
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  1. Recon
    Recon April 11 2013 13: 23 New
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    T-5000 is a real breakthrough in the domestic field of precision weapons. It is necessary to establish the production of high-quality ammunition. You don’t have to go far for examples: in my unit, snipers shoot RUAG and Lapua cartridges ...
    1. Rustam
      Rustam April 11 2013 15: 30 New
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      ORSIS T-5000 is an example to others how to conduct business and not be afraid to compete with global brands, establish the best production line, etc. (I remind you guys started promoting their products when there were both English and Austrian rifles in the army and special services) - but they were not afraid competition

      and not like some tricks from the military-industrial complex - no competition, no modernization of production and supply of products of the last century, with poor quality and a missed deadline for military service and special services

      they grabbed the former director general of IZHMASH (I said earlier that people already spit on the quality of machine guns and sniper rifles, General Shamanov back in 2009 stated that Izhmash was not able to produce high-quality rifles, so English and Austrian samples were purchased)
      embezzlement amounted to 5 billion - a good amount - in the USSR for such a bI would


      about Glock, an excellent example, in addition to the FSO and the FSB, it is optionally accepted for the supply of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

      photos and videos of ORSIS T-5000 Interpolitech-2011
    2. Rustam
      Rustam April 11 2013 15: 34 New
      0
      ORSIS T-5000 is an example to others how to conduct business and not be afraid to compete with global brands, establish the best production line, etc. (I remind you guys started promoting their products when there were both English and Austrian rifles in the army and special services) - but they were not afraid competition

      and not like some tricks from the military-industrial complex - no competition, no modernization of production and supply of products of the last century, with poor quality and a missed deadline for military service and special services

      they grabbed the former director general of IZHMASH (I said earlier that people already spit on the quality of machine guns and sniper rifles, General Shamanov back in 2009 stated that Izhmash was not able to produce high-quality rifles, so English and Austrian samples were purchased)
      embezzlement amounted to 5 billion - a good amount - in the USSR for such a tower would be


      about Glock, an excellent example, in addition to the FSO and the FSB, it is optionally accepted for the supply of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

      photos and videos of ORSIS T-5000 Interpolitech-2011
    3. zanoza
      zanoza April 11 2013 16: 17 New
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      For information.
    4. zanoza
      zanoza April 11 2013 16: 21 New
      +3
      For information
    5. APASUS
      APASUS April 11 2013 18: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Recon
      T-5000 is a real breakthrough in the domestic field of precision weapons

      It could be called a breakthrough if not for one but ..........
      steel for trunks carried from the United States.
      And if anything, our partner will be able to quickly shut off production to us !!!
      1. vlad.1924
        vlad.1924 April 12 2013 06: 20 New
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        And the trunks for the T-5000 were bought in the USA, from decommissioned, chambered in caliber 338 LM and 308Win .....
        1. AlexAlex
          AlexAlex April 12 2013 12: 06 New
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          Trunks do it yourself, from a bar. About decommissioned trunks lies
        2. APASUS
          APASUS April 13 2013 16: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: vlad.1924
          And the trunks for the T-5000 were bought in the USA, from decommissioned, chambered in caliber 338 LM and 308Wi

          What kind of nonsense?
          From b / ear trunks produce sniper weapons .......... I thought for a long time ???
    6. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 12 2013 00: 42 New
      +2
      T-5000-class, as I say a sniper. But it’s not enough, And it’s better to do the return. And the Autrian’s, that they put in the airborne forces, didn’t get the garbage, they need to be beaten, during this time they will beat.
      1. DimychDV
        DimychDV April 12 2013 04: 06 New
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        But they have good Perspektktiff for deliveries to the Estonian Army Army ...
      2. vlad.1924
        vlad.1924 April 12 2013 06: 08 New
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        And what shot her at the dash? And the cartridges for it are attached in the caliber 338 LM and .308Win?
    7. vlad.1924
      vlad.1924 April 12 2013 06: 04 New
      -4
      The T-5000 is a rifle from decommissioned barrels bought in the United States under an American cartridge, inferior even to the SVD in terms of firing range ... Is it suitable for hunting Manchurian deer, wild boar ... Do you have to transfer the Russian army to NATO standards? And what about AKM stocks? In general, some kind of nonsense, they shove different things from the USA to special services ...
  2. BARKAS
    BARKAS April 11 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    Glock seems to soon become the main personal weapon of the FSB and other intelligence agencies about domestic developments more and more rarely heard recently.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 11 2013 13: 34 New
      0
      Orsis is currently engaged only in assembly, and only for the civilian market.
      1. evgen2124
        evgen2124 April 11 2013 14: 00 New
        +1
        Not only! last year 2 t-5000 (calibers 308 and 338) were given to a number of regional divisions of the FSB anti-terror for practical testing and performance assessment in various climatic conditions, as far as I know, the tests in the divisions were successful and these rifles are already included in the register of weapons standing on armed with the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs! which means that these modifications are prohibited for civil circulation!
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS April 11 2013 14: 17 New
          +2
          We are talking about Glock pistols which are adopted by the FSB and FSO.
          1. zanoza
            zanoza April 11 2013 16: 14 New
            +1
            Here you can see a review on the subject: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124051048049056048.html
        2. Pimply
          Pimply April 11 2013 16: 15 New
          +2
          I spoke in this case about Glock. T-5000 is a separate conversation. They got a really good rifle.
          1. zanoza
            zanoza April 11 2013 16: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            I spoke in this case about Glock


            There is an option. "Especially for the needs of special forces of the army and the police, the Glock company created a version of the model 17, which has the ability to conduct automatic fire, called the model Glock 18.
            You can see it here: http://weaponland.ru/load/pistolet_glock_18/105-1-0-507
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach April 11 2013 17: 18 New
              -1
              Glock excellent trunk! "Kalashnikov" among the pistols. a cartridge would have learned to do.
              1. DimychDV
                DimychDV April 12 2013 04: 09 New
                +1
                But does the liner bounce for a long time on the floor? What exactly is the cartridge bad?
            2. Pimply
              Pimply April 11 2013 18: 06 New
              -1
              The 18th was seen and held, and with an enlarged store. However, Orsis officially voiced the topic that so far they are collecting only for the civilian market. The price is something around 56 tyr.
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach April 11 2013 18: 42 New
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                Here are just 56 - the price from the manufacturer’s website,
                http://www.orsis.com/production/catalog/78909/, and given that you have to purchase, best case scenario through the shooting club (hello to the laws and gosduRe (tm), then ....
                http://theobject.ru/about/shop/

                Austrian pistoldeveloped by Glock for the needs of the Austrian army. He became the first model of weapons developed by this company.

                Producing country: Austria
                Caliber: 9x19
                Weapon length: 186 mm
                Barrel length: 114 mm
                Weight: 625
                Price: 65 –P
                Storage at the club.


                I do not think that ORSIS will be cheaper ...
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak April 12 2013 09: 42 New
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                  Quote: dmitreach
                  I do not think that ORSIS will be cheaper.

                  E-5000, like a rifle, will be frankly more expensive than a pistol. Here are the prices of Orsis products, sorry, there is no price for the T-5000.
                  http://www.orsis.com/production/catalog/
          2. vlad.1924
            vlad.1924 April 12 2013 06: 12 New
            -4
            What good can come from the trunks written off in the US Army under the cartridge in caliber .338 LM and .308Win? Where will we get cartridges for US currency?
        3. vlad.1924
          vlad.1924 April 12 2013 06: 10 New
          +1
          And now we need to buy a ship in the USA for the currency of cartridges for the T-5000! Otherwise, there’s nothing to shoot at?
  3. Artmark
    Artmark April 11 2013 13: 31 New
    +4
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation need only their weapons and their ammunition !!!! good
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 11 2013 14: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: ArtMark
      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation need only their weapons and their ammunition !!!

      I suspect it should be least no worse than available top samples. I hope you agree with me.
      1. Artmark
        Artmark April 12 2013 01: 22 New
        +1
        I agree to all 100%
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin April 11 2013 19: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: ArtMark
      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation need only their weapons and their ammunition !!!!

      Needless to say, what did the Swift displease them with?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJMH5eOBmM
      1. Pimply
        Pimply April 11 2013 21: 04 New
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        By the fact that there is no serial pistol of this brand yet, he has not passed the test
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin April 12 2013 21: 49 New
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          Quote: Pimply
          By the fact that there is no serial pistol of this brand yet, he has not passed the test

          So probably we need to support our production, and in heavy duty !!!!
          Why the heck do we need to support someone if we have the resources and working hours of the press ???
      2. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 12 2013 00: 26 New
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        Swift, aka / Strike One (brand name for the European market) - this is the same Iveco / Lynx. True, it is more appropriate to compare with the Yak-130 / M346 from L'Alenia Aermacchi, as an example of useful cooperation. (But you can also mention the Tiger for the UAE, or the Pantsir air defense system, or another car of examples) The gun is magnificent! But! If in fairness ...
        There are 2 businessmen in the co-founders. The owners of Arsenal Firearms (the owner of the gun) is a well-known Russian businessman and weapon collector Dmitry Streshinsky и Italian Nicola Bandini.
        Arsenal Firearms, this is Russia - Italy!
        The idea of ​​the locking system used in it belongs to Dmitry Streshinsky and Nicola Bandini, which is reflected in one of the patent applications.
        Notice, this is about a PATENT! Needless to say, the author-designer and patent holder may not be the same person? Given that Nicola BANDINI is a gunsmith, and Streshinsky is a businessman collector, then ... I won’t be surprised if this is one of not many examples when a Russian bought (Italian) Lefty. Usually the opposite.

        The company-manufacturer of guns Strizh / Strike has production in Russia, Austria and Italy, but its headquarters is in Russia.
        The automation system used in the design of this weapon is based on the development of Louis Schmeiser of the early XNUMXth century.

        http://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/pistols/russia/Strizh/
    3. vlad.1924
      vlad.1924 April 12 2013 06: 16 New
      -1
      Yes, of course! The only thing is to make a new cartridge for AKM, and do it on new equipment at our cartridge plants ...
  4. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... April 11 2013 13: 33 New
    +4
    And why only the FSB is such a weapon? The main troops are very useful. It’s worth it, inexpensively.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 11 2013 13: 36 New
      -1
      There is one officer in the FSB who has an American rifle in his hands and participates in operations with her. Whether Bo is young and green, or Bo for show-offs.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply April 11 2013 14: 00 New
        +3
        You're not talking about a sniper, but about the M-4, right. With which this employee performs in competitions. And, of course, your pseudo-patriotism is praised, but he is far from real patriotism. And he is not in what kind of label is on the weapon.
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin April 11 2013 20: 10 New
          +1
          A rifle, a well-known food, having screws inside that give a long and whole smooth. LT I 245. The rods at the Sowing Meadows are quite thick and mated, while they are very straightforward, which is why Kozaks are most used for rifles on ramrods. Pallas OR 106. Rifle .. A kind of fire-narrow narrow-barrel rifle, which has a faceted barrel inside, and the walls are very thick.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply April 11 2013 21: 05 New
            0
            Yeah, she is the most;)
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 12 2013 03: 39 New
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          Quote: Pimply
          You're not talking about a sniper, but about the M-4, right.

          And where did you read the mention of a sniper in my comment? laughing You do not need a person without a homeland and a flag to judge my patriotism.
        3. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 12 2013 04: 01 New
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          This intelligence officer can bring his colleagues to fulfill tasks, using this weapon to put it mildly not of the best quality, and imprisoned for other purposes. To learn the exact shooting of recruits and more, click here for details. http://gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1293163736.php
      2. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... April 11 2013 15: 24 New
        +2
        Amerovskaya rifle is not devoid of combat qualities. Somewhere better, and somewhere worse than our samples. The question is that our troops should be armed with an unpretentious, but also worthy weapon, and most importantly, OUR production and to our calibers.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 11 2013 18: 08 New
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          Our production is a priority, but by no means the main thing, excuse me. This is not even in the first three requirements.
          1. Strezhevchanin
            Strezhevchanin April 12 2013 21: 59 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            This is not even in the first three requirements.

            With all due respect!!! Well, what kind of negative? Here they walked ahead of the rest of the planet, and then suddenly there was so much criticism, of course, mostly objective ..... but even so, let's sow more positives. I do not consider this a breakthrough, I consider this a step in the right stotron !!!!!!!!
      3. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 11 2013 17: 24 New
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        Whether Bo is young and green, or Bo for show-offs.

        Here is an employee from the Alpha calendar. Here he rejoices to abdominal cramps when they say that he takes his personal weapon for operations ... 1001 times have already been discussed. He is participating in COMPETITION SHOOTING COMPETITIONS with her! If he buys a smoothbore to engage in hunting, will he also go with him to "tasks"?
        Moderators, again photos are inserted once again !!!!
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 11 2013 17: 26 New
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          On the blog Makrushina (twower) you can see
          http://twower.livejournal.com/969030.html
  5. Sirocco
    Sirocco April 11 2013 13: 33 New
    +5
    Promtechnology fellows, the first domestic rifles, high-class accuracy and quality. Which are made in Russia, starting from the DTK to the butt plate. The price is an order of magnitude lower than European counterparts. good The truth saddens one, but they deliver stainless steel from the states. Maybe our metallurgists will be ashamed?
    1. Tambov we ...
      Tambov we ... April 11 2013 15: 46 New
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      And from what sources about Amer stainless steel? We have plenty of ours. Forging identity is available.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply April 11 2013 16: 15 New
        +2
        There is none. The one that goes to rifle barrels comes from the United States
        1. Tambov we ...
          Tambov we ... April 11 2013 16: 25 New
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          So maybe the technologists are not the ones with us? Having looked through books on Parts and machines, where all the steels, alloys and composites used in our industry are indicated - EVERYTHING is there?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply April 11 2013 18: 18 New
            0
            To produce such steel in Russia is not profitable. There is a huge arms market, it is absent here. The Americans buy steel like this from around the world, they are leaders. Well, the theme flashes everywhere that in Russia they are not able at the moment to maintain serial quality for such blanks
            1. Timeout
              Timeout April 12 2013 09: 30 New
              +1
              Stainless steel weapons are produced in Russia (for example, analogue 416R - 20X13). But the manufacturer is ready to make batches from 100 tons. Orsis just won’t digest so much. Here is from communicating with one specialist in alloys:
              In steels. Now foreign manufacturers mainly use alloyed chromium-molybdenum steel for trunks of rifled hunting carbines.
              This is 4140 according to US standards or 42СrМо4 according to European standards.
              There are several analogues of USSR steels, the closest to 4140 will be 38XMA alloy steel. For 42CrMo4, 38XM will be the analogue.
              What is the difference between 38XM and 38XMA, quality, 38XMA - high-quality, permissible percentage of harmful sulfur and phosphorus is less. Instead of 0,035, they have 0,025.
              For corrosion-resistant steels 410, 416R, 416T, there are also analogues.
              For 410, this is 12X13.
              For 416, this is 20X13.
              They became nickel-free, which means relatively inexpensive.
              Can a steel mill produce steel according to US standards? Maybe any whim for your money. It is desirable that the order be voluminous and preferably with a continuation ...

              30ХРА, 30ХН2МФА, 38ХН3МФА should be considered separately and compared with foreign steel steels.


              But with the second:
              416 is a mediocre (in terms of mechanical properties) steel located at the border of corrosion resistance. The Soviet analogue of this steel is 20X13. However, in 416, the sulfur content is up to 0,15% (!!!!!), this is done to facilitate workability, but according to our standards it is a complete pi ** ec, since sulfur sharply reduces the corrosion resistance of steel, so military trunks of this steel do not, especially for automatic weapons. This steel is almost ideal for forming rifling by plastic deformation with low-power equipment, i.e. mandrels. The mass of firms, firms and just rednecks with golden hands muzzle the steel trunks, and from these trunks they win competitions and hunt.


              So, chromium-molybdenum still steers in the arms, especially the army.
        2. crambol
          crambol April 11 2013 16: 37 New
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          Composition, brand, properties?
        3. bask
          bask April 11 2013 20: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          and what goes on rifle barrels comes from State

          Not trunks, but steel for trunks.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply April 11 2013 21: 06 New
            +2
            To be more precise - special discs. Drill here, and with a fairly high degree of accuracy, with a tolerance of 3-5 microns
            1. bask
              bask April 11 2013 21: 12 New
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              Quote: Pimply
              here, with a fairly high degree of accuracy, with a tolerance of 3-5

              More precisely, cutting the table, with a tolerance (((3-5 microns)
      2. Sleptsoff
        Sleptsoff April 11 2013 16: 22 New
        -6
        Of our stainless steel, only cutlery can be made.
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin April 11 2013 20: 09 New
      0
      A rifle, a well-known food, having screws inside that give a long and whole smooth. LT I 245. The rods at the Sowing Meadows are quite thick and mated, while they are very straightforward, which is why Kozaks are most used for rifles on ramrods. Pallas OR 106. Rifle .. A kind of fire-narrow narrow-barrel rifle, which has a faceted barrel inside, and the walls are very thick. good
  6. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 11 2013 13: 37 New
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    "The FSB command FSB control" A ", better known as" Alpha ", playing with the ORSIS T-5000 rifles, became the winner of the world championship in sniper shooting, winning the" gold "in the general and police team championships, as well as the first two places in the personal For the first time in recent years, the gold of competitions and the title of the best snipers of the planet went to the representatives of Russia "

    The news is not fresh, but still.
  7. sergeschern
    sergeschern April 11 2013 14: 21 New
    0
    Everything would be fine, but the company moved out to the UAE because of the “arrivals”. So it’s not very Russian
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 11 2013 18: 10 New
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      You mixed up with Tsar Cannon (the company was in Tarus) and their brainchild - (SVL) Lobaev Sniper Rifle
      http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/lobaevsvl-r.html
      or here
      http://weaponland.ru/load/snajperskaja_vintovka_lobaeva_svl/88-1-0-489
      They have now launched production in the UAE and are not feeling quite bad.
      And the article is devoted to ORSIS T-5000, which is the brainchild of PROMTECHNOLOGIES and is located in Moscow.
  8. mojohed
    mojohed April 11 2013 14: 44 New
    +2
    Glock is a great gun. We have analogues or not, or are available in a limited experimental quantity and trial operation, and even in the special services. The Kolashnikov concern would be thinking of creating not only an AK-12 and a promising modular weapon, but also a personal pistol weapon with ammunition of increased power, so that the NATO armor can be guaranteed to be pierced. After all, like, IZHMASH or some other manufacturer can now develop and produce ammunition.
    In general, the Chinese are smart people and Obama, looking at China, began to invest loot in infrastructure. And we would flog it already. In BAM, in airship building, in military equipment and promising sectors, and there, you look and your pistols will be at the level.
    1. rereture
      rereture April 11 2013 20: 03 New
      0
      For example, from a glock it is not recommended to shoot high penetration cartridges ...

      Quote: mojohed
      but also about a personal pistol weapon with cartridges of increased power, so that NATO's armor punching is guaranteed


      GSh-18, ПЯ, ATP.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 11 2013 20: 21 New
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        any weapon is created in tandem with ammunition. You will not try to put a shot from an RPG into the Kalash. here is something similar.
        1. rereture
          rereture April 11 2013 20: 43 New
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          Then why do I need a western gun, of which I am not sure. Better our domestic with increased penetration ammunition.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply April 11 2013 21: 07 New
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        Yes, only here is what about GS, what about PI - reviews are not the best
        1. rereture
          rereture April 11 2013 21: 16 New
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          The reviews of both sports and combat samples are contradictory, but pistols (sports samples for sure) are constantly being developed, many problems have already been fixed in new batches.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 12 2013 00: 05 New
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            I'm not so hot at any shooter in practical shooting, but even my Yarygin (aka MP-446C Viking) was buggy in my hands because of workmanship (the design is generally on the level, but the quality ...). And for those who burn cartridges thousands of a month, and the barrel was muzzle, and the frame vomited in their hands. Reviews about this pistol are about UAZ, among zipper. (Either love in the gums / or not love for bricks, but you need to tighten the nuts yourself ...) The bottom line is that after you hit a couple of thousand (just a couple of thousand !!!) this ... uh ... if you take a hundred / for training, then ... the money thrown away. For even the manufacturer, getting involved in the warranty, does not go to a meeting with warranty repair ... Yes, such things ...
            Refined - good. But Glock has a completely different reputation. From that adopted by some ministries in the Russian Federation.
            Lada also modify. GDP went to Lada Kalina. (on three) request

            Better our domestic with increased penetration ammunition.

            Are you military? Often shoot at enemies in bulletproof vests? Or for the terrorists behind the engine / brick wall?
            But among the servicemen there are supporters of Glock.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 12 2013 03: 45 New
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          As I see, you are well-versed in all types of weapons and production, you know what is cost-effective and what is not.
          Quote: Pimply
          Yes, only here is what about GS, what about PI - reviews are not the best

          Only probably you know little that the negative problems and reviews about these pistols are related to ammunition. The fact that the cartridges we have to say the least.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 12 2013 14: 07 New
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            you know what is cost-effective and what is not.

            I didn’t talk about profitability, and if I knew, I traded in “business plans” and similar studies.
            The fact that the cartridges we have to say the least.

            Very true remark. Unfortunately. This is the "secret of the past." in order to know this, it’s enough to talk to the instructors at the rifle line, to burn cartridges. My favorite trunk is Tanfoglio Stock II, really does not like domestic ammunition, because of a delicate design. But in the hand it lies and quickly returns to the sighting line.
  9. taseka
    taseka April 11 2013 15: 10 New
    +2
    I support the opinion that not only in the FSB, but in the Army it is necessary - not the FSB, but the Army won the war !!!
  10. Zlu
    Zlu April 11 2013 16: 48 New
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    I heard only positive reviews from the rifle. Beautiful and reliable
  11. Canep
    Canep April 11 2013 16: 55 New
    +2
    It’s time for us to equip our army with GLOCs. And about the rifle - for military tests. And if SVD is better, then it’s for service.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 11 2013 18: 19 New
      +3
      Oh, damn it. Why, when you hear a sniper rifle, you immediately remember the SVD. These are rifles for different purposes, tasks, distances. Well, do not go where you’re not even trying to understand what’s the matter
    2. almost demobil
      almost demobil April 11 2013 18: 59 New
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      Quote: Canep
      It’s time for us to equip our army with GLOKs.

      Quote: Canep
      And if SVD is better, then it’s for service.

      Minesweeper_ (if you are a minesweeper) well, what are you, right. You look at how many decent copies are from our gunsmiths. You just need to kick the thick-assed! Glock of course the gun is good, it is generally recognized, but we are not made with a finger. The trunks in our army should be their own, this should not even be discussed.
      Well, as an aviator add smile which is clear even to me, SVD and T5000 vintars are generally not close at all, they have different purposes. Well what are you right ...
  12. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 11 2013 17: 21 New
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    Quote: Canep
    It’s time for us to equip our army with GLOKs.

    And immediately we can expect restrictions on sales of metal for trunks from the United States. Until the ban. They sensed that the Russian company was resisting and competing in the creation of supercomputers, they immediately banned the company from selling electronic components to this company and blacklisted it. Amer never fair trade. Especially with competitors.
    1. luiswoo
      luiswoo April 13 2013 10: 53 New
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      In this case, our steelworkers were just greedy - it turned out to be cheaper to buy in the states.
  13. rereture
    rereture April 11 2013 20: 07 New
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    Quote: zanoza
    There is an option. "Especially for the needs of special forces of the army and the police, the Glock company created a variant of model 17, which has the ability to conduct automatic fire, called the model Glock 18.
    You can see here: http://weaponland.ru/load/pistolet_glock_18/105-1-0-507


    We have created an APS much earlier.
  14. waisson
    waisson April 11 2013 20: 34 New
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    for heaven’s sake, guys, what glocks are you talking about? Are there really no brains for weapons specialists? Remember our brands AK.TT.SVD. Where are you about patriotism or are you ready to sell the defense industry like in the case of the Lynx that defeated our Tiger
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 11 2013 21: 07 New
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      Remember the brand peep, mace, sword-treasure. Do you propose living to the past?
      1. rereture
        rereture April 11 2013 21: 36 New
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        And in your opinion, is it to score everything and buy from the west?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 11 2013 23: 34 New
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          No. Just don’t hang around the “made in Russia” labels and don’t live in the past. Do not repeat each time "has no analogues." Watch, learn, do, and do not disdain to plug holes with foreign analogues, when necessary. "Made in Russia" is primarily written on the soldier, not on his cannon.
  15. zulu_1
    zulu_1 April 12 2013 00: 35 New
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    Quote: zanoza
    For information

    The drilling method is yesterday.
    Forged trunks have a longer resource
    1. AlexAlex
      AlexAlex April 12 2013 12: 04 New
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      For information. First they drill then forge, i.e. drilling is an integral part of any production technology. Rotational forging is an old and widely used method; it is simply fast and technological, inferior in accuracy to planing.