ORSIS weapon systems increase the level of training for FSB officers

PROMTECHNOLOGY LLC presented the ORSIS rifle at the exhibition at the Golitsyn Border Institute of the FSB, the company's press service reported.

From 9 to 10 in April, the 9th Interdepartmental Scientific and Practical Conference “History creations, development dialectics, combat use experience, current state and trends of further development weapons special services "and the thematic exhibition, which became the company" Promtechnology ".

The exhibition included small arms and artillery weapons, optical observation devices and sights, personal anti-bullet protection equipment, as well as interactive training complexes to improve the skills of shooting training.

The PROMTECHNOLOGIA company demonstrated to the visitors more than once the T-5000 rifles in the .338 LM and .308Win caliber, as well as Glock Gen4 pistols of three modifications (17, 34 in the 9x19 caliber and 35 in the .40S & W caliber), which proved themselves worthy to the visitors. which are assembled under license at the facilities of the ORSIS arms factory. The presented products aroused great interest among the visitors of the exhibition.

The organizers of the exhibition handed a diploma to the Director General of PROMTEKHNOLOGIYA LLC Alexei Sorokin for the provision of made-to-stock samples and advanced weapons equipment from the FSB of Russia, which contributed to the increase in the level of the conference and the training of security officers.

Comments

[Recon]

T-5000 is a real breakthrough in the domestic field of precision weapons. It is necessary to establish the production of high-quality ammunition. You don’t have to go far for examples: in my unit, snipers shoot RUAG and Lapua cartridges ...

[Rustam]

ORSIS T-5000 is an example to others how to conduct business and not be afraid to compete with global brands, establish the best production line, etc. (I remind you guys started promoting their products when there were both English and Austrian rifles in the army and special services) - but they were not afraid competition

and not like some tricks from the military-industrial complex - no competition, no modernization of production and supply of products of the last century, with poor quality and a missed deadline for military service and special services

they grabbed the former director general of IZHMASH (I said earlier that people already spit on the quality of machine guns and sniper rifles, General Shamanov back in 2009 stated that Izhmash was not able to produce high-quality rifles, so English and Austrian samples were purchased)
embezzlement amounted to 5 billion - a good amount - in the USSR for such a bI would


about Glock, an excellent example, in addition to the FSO and the FSB, it is optionally accepted for the supply of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

photos and videos of ORSIS T-5000 Interpolitech-2011

[Rustam]

ORSIS T-5000 is an example to others how to conduct business and not be afraid to compete with global brands, establish the best production line, etc. (I remind you guys started promoting their products when there were both English and Austrian rifles in the army and special services) - but they were not afraid competition

and not like some tricks from the military-industrial complex - no competition, no modernization of production and supply of products of the last century, with poor quality and a missed deadline for military service and special services

they grabbed the former director general of IZHMASH (I said earlier that people already spit on the quality of machine guns and sniper rifles, General Shamanov back in 2009 stated that Izhmash was not able to produce high-quality rifles, so English and Austrian samples were purchased)
embezzlement amounted to 5 billion - a good amount - in the USSR for such a tower would be


about Glock, an excellent example, in addition to the FSO and the FSB, it is optionally accepted for the supply of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

photos and videos of ORSIS T-5000 Interpolitech-2011

[zanoza]

For information.

[zanoza]

For information

[APASUS]

Quote: Recon

T-5000 is a real breakthrough in the domestic field of precision weapons

It could be called a breakthrough if not for one but ..........
steel for trunks carried from the United States.
And if anything, our partner will be able to quickly shut off production to us !!!

[vlad.1924]

And the trunks for the T-5000 were bought in the USA, from decommissioned, chambered in caliber 338 LM and 308Win .....

[AlexAlex]

Trunks do it yourself, from a bar. About decommissioned trunks lies

[APASUS]

Quote: vlad.1924

And the trunks for the T-5000 were bought in the USA, from decommissioned, chambered in caliber 338 LM and 308Wi

What kind of nonsense?
From b / ear trunks produce sniper weapons .......... I thought for a long time ???

[Reasonable, 2,3]

T-5000-class, as I say a sniper. But it’s not enough, And it’s better to do the return. And the Autrian’s, that they put in the airborne forces, didn’t get the garbage, they need to be beaten, during this time they will beat.

[DimychDV]

But they have good Perspektktiff for deliveries to the Estonian Army Army ...

[vlad.1924]

And what shot her at the dash? And the cartridges for it are attached in the caliber 338 LM and .308Win?

[vlad.1924]

The T-5000 is a rifle from decommissioned barrels bought in the United States under an American cartridge, inferior even to the SVD in terms of firing range ... Is it suitable for hunting Manchurian deer, wild boar ... Do you have to transfer the Russian army to NATO standards? And what about AKM stocks? In general, some kind of nonsense, they shove different things from the USA to special services ...

[BARKAS]

Glock seems to soon become the main personal weapon of the FSB and other intelligence agencies about domestic developments more and more rarely heard recently.

[Pimply]

Orsis is currently engaged only in assembly, and only for the civilian market.

[evgen2124]

Not only! last year 2 t-5000 (calibers 308 and 338) were given to a number of regional divisions of the FSB anti-terror for practical testing and performance assessment in various climatic conditions, as far as I know, the tests in the divisions were successful and these rifles are already included in the register of weapons standing on armed with the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs! which means that these modifications are prohibited for civil circulation!

[BARKAS]

We are talking about Glock pistols which are adopted by the FSB and FSO.

[zanoza]

Here you can see a review on the subject: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124051048049056048.html

[Pimply]

I spoke in this case about Glock. T-5000 is a separate conversation. They got a really good rifle.

[zanoza]

Quote: Pimply

I spoke in this case about Glock

There is an option. "Especially for the needs of the special forces of the army and police, Glock has created a variant of the Model 17, which has the ability to conduct automatic fire, called the Glock 18.
You can see it here: http://weaponland.ru/load/pistolet_glock_18/105-1-0-507

[dmitreach]

Glock excellent barrel! Kalashnikov among pistols. cartridge would have learned to do.

[DimychDV]

But does the liner bounce for a long time on the floor? What exactly is the cartridge bad?

[Pimply]

The 18th was seen and held, and with an enlarged store. However, Orsis officially voiced the topic that so far they are collecting only for the civilian market. The price is something around 56 tyr.

[dmitreach]

Here are just 56 - the price from the manufacturer’s website,
http://www.orsis.com/production/catalog/78909/, and given that you have to purchase, best case scenario through the shooting club (hello to the laws and gosduRe (tm), then ....
http://theobject.ru/about/shop/

Austrian pistoldeveloped by Glock for the needs of the Austrian army. He became the first model of weapons developed by this company.

Producing country: Austria
Caliber: 9x19
Weapon length: 186 mm
Barrel length: 114 mm
Weight: 625
Price: 65 –P
Storage at the club.

I do not think that ORSIS will be cheaper ...

[Ezhaak]

Quote: dmitreach

I do not think that ORSIS will be cheaper.

E-5000, like a rifle, will be frankly more expensive than a pistol. Here are the prices of Orsis products, sorry, there is no price for the T-5000.
http://www.orsis.com/production/catalog/

[vlad.1924]

What good can come from the trunks written off in the US Army under the cartridge in caliber .338 LM and .308Win? Where will we get cartridges for US currency?

[vlad.1924]

And now we need to buy a ship in the USA for the currency of cartridges for the T-5000! Otherwise, there’s nothing to shoot at?

[Artmark]

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation need only their weapons and their ammunition !!!!

[Ezhaak]

Quote: ArtMark

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation need only their weapons and their ammunition !!!

I suspect it should be least no worse than available top samples. I hope you agree with me.

[Artmark]

I agree to all 100%

[Strezhevchanin]

Quote: ArtMark

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation need only their weapons and their ammunition !!!!

Needless to say, what did the Swift displease them with?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJMH5eOBmM

[Pimply]

By the fact that there is no serial pistol of this brand yet, he has not passed the test

[Strezhevchanin]

Quote: Pimply

By the fact that there is no serial pistol of this brand yet, he has not passed the test

So probably we need to support our production, and in heavy duty !!!!
Why the heck do we need to support someone if we have the resources and working hours of the press ???

[dmitreach]

Strizh, aka / Strike One (brand name for the European market) is the same Iveco / Lynx. True, it is more appropriate to compare with the Yak-130 / M346 from L'Alenia Aermacchi, as an example of useful cooperation. (But we can also mention the Tiger for the UAE, or the Pantsir air defense missile system, or another carriage of examples) The pistol is great! But! To be fair ...
There are 2 businessmen in the co-founders. The owners of Arsenal Firearms (the owner of the gun) is a well-known Russian businessman and weapon collector Dmitry Streshinsky и Italian Nicola Bandini.
Arsenal Firearms, this is Russia - Italy!

The idea of ​​the locking system used in it belongs to Dmitry Streshinsky and Nicola Bandini, which is reflected in one of the patent applications.

Note, we are talking about a PATENT! Needless to say, the author-designer and the owner of the patent may not be the same person? Considering that Nicola BANDINI is a gunsmith, and Streshinsky is a businessman, then ... I would not be surprised if this is one of the few examples when a Russian bought an (Italian) "Levsha". Usually the other way around.

The company-manufacturer of guns Strizh / Strike has production in Russia, Austria and Italy, but its headquarters is in Russia.
The automation system used in the design of this weapon is based on the development of Louis Schmeiser of the early XNUMXth century.

http://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/pistols/russia/Strizh/

[vlad.1924]

Yes, of course! The only thing is to make a new cartridge for AKM, and do it on new equipment at our cartridge plants ...

[Tambov we ...]

And why only the FSB is such a weapon? The main troops are very useful. It’s worth it, inexpensively.

[Sirocco]

There is one officer in the FSB who has an American rifle in his hands and participates in operations with her. Whether Bo is young and green, or Bo for show-offs.

[Pimply]

You're not talking about a sniper, but about the M-4, right. With which this employee performs in competitions. And, of course, your pseudo-patriotism is praised, but he is far from real patriotism. And he is not in what kind of label is on the weapon.

[Strezhevchanin]

A rifle, a well-known food, having screws inside that give a long and whole smooth. LT I 245. The rods at the Sowing Meadows are quite thick and mated, while they are very straightforward, which is why Kozaks are most used for rifles on ramrods. Pallas OR 106. Rifle .. A kind of fire-narrow narrow-barrel rifle, which has a faceted barrel inside, and the walls are very thick.

[Pimply]

Yeah, she is the most;)

[Sirocco]

Quote: Pimply

You're not talking about a sniper, but about the M-4, right.

And where did you read the mention of a sniper in my comment? You do not need a person without a homeland and a flag to judge my patriotism.

[Sirocco]

This intelligence officer can bring his colleagues to fulfill tasks, using this weapon to put it mildly not of the best quality, and imprisoned for other purposes. To learn the exact shooting of recruits and more, click here for details. http://gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1293163736.php

[Tambov we ...]

Amerovskaya rifle is not devoid of combat qualities. Somewhere better, and somewhere worse than our samples. The question is that our troops should be armed with an unpretentious, but also worthy weapon, and most importantly, OUR production and to our calibers.

[Pimply]

Our production is a priority, but by no means the main thing, excuse me. This is not even in the first three requirements.

[Strezhevchanin]

Quote: Pimply

This is not even in the first three requirements.

With all due respect!!! Well, what kind of negative? Here they walked ahead of the rest of the planet, and then suddenly there was so much criticism, of course, mostly objective ..... but even so, let's sow more positives. I do not consider this a breakthrough, I consider this a step in the right stotron !!!!!!!!

[dmitreach]

Whether Bo is young and green, or Bo for show-offs.

This is an employee from Alpha's calendar. Here he rejoices to colic in the stomach when they say that he takes his personal weapon for operations ... 1001 times have already been discussed. He participates with her in a COMPETITION IN PRACTICAL SHOOTING! If he buys a smoothbore for hunting, will he also go with him on "assignments"?
Moderators, again photos are inserted once again !!!!

[dmitreach]

On the blog Makrushina (twower) you can see
http://twower.livejournal.com/969030.html

[Sirocco]

Promtechnology fellows, the first domestic rifles, high-class accuracy and quality. Which are made in Russia, starting from the DTK to the butt plate. The price is an order of magnitude lower than European counterparts. The truth saddens one, but they deliver stainless steel from the states. Maybe our metallurgists will be ashamed?

[Tambov we ...]

And from what sources about Amer stainless steel? We have plenty of ours. Forging identity is available.

[Pimply]

There is none. The one that goes to rifle barrels comes from the United States

[Tambov we ...]

So maybe the technologists are not the ones with us? Having looked through books on Parts and machines, where all the steels, alloys and composites used in our industry are indicated - EVERYTHING is there?

[Pimply]

To produce such steel in Russia is not profitable. There is a huge arms market, it is absent here. The Americans buy steel like this from around the world, they are leaders. Well, the theme flashes everywhere that in Russia they are not able at the moment to maintain serial quality for such blanks

[timeout]

Stainless steel weapons are produced in Russia (for example, analogue 416R - 20X13). But the manufacturer is ready to make batches from 100 tons. Orsis just won’t digest so much. Here is from communicating with one specialist in alloys:

In steels. Now foreign manufacturers mainly use alloyed chromium-molybdenum steel for trunks of rifled hunting carbines.
This is 4140 according to US standards or 42СrМо4 according to European standards.
There are several analogues of USSR steels, the closest to 4140 will be 38XMA alloy steel. For 42CrMo4, 38XM will be the analogue.
What is the difference between 38XM and 38XMA, quality, 38XMA - high-quality, permissible percentage of harmful sulfur and phosphorus is less. Instead of 0,035, they have 0,025.
For corrosion-resistant steels 410, 416R, 416T, there are also analogues.
For 410, this is 12X13.
For 416, this is 20X13.
They became nickel-free, which means relatively inexpensive.
Can a steel mill produce steel according to US standards? Maybe any whim for your money. It is desirable that the order be voluminous and preferably with a continuation ...

30ХРА, 30ХН2МФА, 38ХН3МФА should be considered separately and compared with foreign steel steels.

But with the second:

416 is a mediocre (in terms of mechanical properties) steel located at the border of corrosion resistance. The Soviet analogue of this steel is 20X13. However, in 416, the sulfur content is up to 0,15% (!!!!!), this is done to facilitate workability, but according to our standards it is a complete pi ** ec, since sulfur sharply reduces the corrosion resistance of steel, so military trunks of this steel do not, especially for automatic weapons. This steel is almost ideal for forming rifling by plastic deformation with low-power equipment, i.e. mandrels. The mass of firms, firms and just rednecks with golden hands muzzle the steel trunks, and from these trunks they win competitions and hunt.

So, chromium-molybdenum still steers in the arms, especially the army.

[crambol]

Composition, brand, properties?

[bask]

Quote: Pimply

and what goes on rifle barrels comes from State

Not trunks, but steel for trunks.

[Pimply]

To be more precise - special discs. Drill here, and with a fairly high degree of accuracy, with a tolerance of 3-5 microns

[bask]

Quote: Pimply

here, with a fairly high degree of accuracy, with a tolerance of 3-5

More precisely, cutting the table, with a tolerance (((3-5 microns)

[Sleptsoff]

Of our stainless steel, only cutlery can be made.

[Strezhevchanin]

A rifle, a well-known food, having screws inside that give a long and whole smooth. LT I 245. The rods at the Sowing Meadows are quite thick and mated, while they are very straightforward, which is why Kozaks are most used for rifles on ramrods. Pallas OR 106. Rifle .. A kind of fire-narrow narrow-barrel rifle, which has a faceted barrel inside, and the walls are very thick.

[Vladimirets]

"The team of CSN FSB Directorate" A ", better known as" Alpha ", performing with ORSIS T-5000 rifles, became the winner of the World Sniper Shooting Championship, winning gold in the general and police team championship, as well as the first two places in the individual For the first time in recent years, the gold of the competition and the title of the best snipers in the world went to the representatives of Russia "

The news is not fresh, but still.

[sergeschern]

Everything would be fine, but the company moved out of the UAE because of the "raids". So it is not very Russian either.

[dmitreach]

You confused with "Tsar Cannon" (the company was in Tarusa) and their brainchild - (SVL) "Lobaev's Sniper Rifle"
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/lobaevsvl-r.html
or here
http://weaponland.ru/load/snajperskaja_vintovka_lobaeva_svl/88-1-0-489
They have now launched production in the UAE and are not feeling quite bad.
And the article is devoted to ORSIS T-5000, which is the brainchild of PROMTECHNOLOGIES and is located in Moscow.

[mojohed]

Glock is a great gun. We have analogues or not, or are available in a limited experimental quantity and trial operation, and even in the special services. The Kolashnikov concern would be thinking of creating not only an AK-12 and a promising modular weapon, but also a personal pistol weapon with ammunition of increased power, so that the NATO armor can be guaranteed to be pierced. After all, like, IZHMASH or some other manufacturer can now develop and produce ammunition.
In general, the Chinese are smart people and Obama, looking at China, began to invest loot in infrastructure. And we would flog it already. In BAM, in airship building, in military equipment and promising sectors, and there, you look and your pistols will be at the level.

[rereture]

For example, from a glock it is not recommended to shoot high penetration cartridges ...

Quote: mojohed

but also about a personal pistol weapon with cartridges of increased power, so that NATO's armor punching is guaranteed

GSh-18, ПЯ, ATP.

[dmitreach]

any weapon is created in tandem with ammunition. You will not try to put a shot from an RPG into the Kalash. here is something similar.

[rereture]

Then why do I need a western gun, of which I am not sure. Better our domestic with increased penetration ammunition.

[Pimply]

Yes, only here is what about GS, what about PI - reviews are not the best

[rereture]

The reviews of both sports and combat samples are contradictory, but pistols (sports samples for sure) are constantly being developed, many problems have already been fixed in new batches.

[dmitreach]

I'm not so hot at any shooter in practical shooting, but even my Yarygin (aka MP-446C Viking) was buggy in my hands because of workmanship (the design is generally on the level, but the quality ...). And for those who burn cartridges thousands of a month, and the barrel was muzzle, and the frame vomited in their hands. Reviews about this pistol are about UAZ, among zipper. (Either love in the gums / or not love for bricks, but you need to tighten the nuts yourself ...) The bottom line is that after you hit a couple of thousand (just a couple of thousand !!!) this ... uh ... if you take a hundred / for training, then ... the money thrown away. For even the manufacturer, getting involved in the warranty, does not go to a meeting with warranty repair ... Yes, such things ...
Refined - good. But Glock has a completely different reputation. From that adopted by some ministries in the Russian Federation.
Lada also modify. GDP went to Lada Kalina. (on three)

Better our domestic with increased penetration ammunition.

Are you military? Often shoot at enemies in bulletproof vests? Or for the terrorists behind the engine / brick wall?
But among the servicemen there are supporters of Glock.

[Sirocco]

As I see, you are well-versed in all types of weapons and production, you know what is cost-effective and what is not.

Quote: Pimply

Yes, only here is what about GS, what about PI - reviews are not the best

Only probably you know little that the negative problems and reviews about these pistols are related to ammunition. The fact that the cartridges we have to say the least.

[dmitreach]

you know what is cost-effective and what is not.

I did not talk about profitability, but if I knew, I would trade in "business plans" and similar research.

The fact that the cartridges we have to say the least.

A very correct observation. Unfortunately. This is the "secret of the polishenel". in order to know this, it is enough to communicate at the shooting range with instructors, to burn cartridges. My favorite barrel is Tanfoglio Stock II, I really don't like domestic ammunition, for its delicate design. But it lies in the hand and quickly returns to the sighting line.

[taseka]

I support the opinion that not only in the FSB, but in the Army it is necessary - not the FSB, but the Army won the war !!!

[Zlu]

I heard only positive reviews from the rifle. Beautiful and reliable

[Canep]

It’s time for us to equip our army with GLOCs. And about the rifle - for military tests. And if SVD is better, then it’s for service.

[Pimply]

Oh, damn it. Why, when you hear a sniper rifle, you immediately remember the SVD. These are rifles for different purposes, tasks, distances. Well, do not go where you’re not even trying to understand what’s the matter

[almost demobil]

Quote: Canep

It’s time for us to equip our army with GLOKs.

Quote: Canep

And if SVD is better, then it’s for service.

Minesweeper_ (if you are a minesweeper) well, what are you, right. You look at how many decent copies are from our gunsmiths. You just need to kick the thick-assed! Glock of course the gun is good, it is generally recognized, but we are not made with a finger. The trunks in our army should be their own, this should not even be discussed.
Well, as an aviator add which is clear even to me, SVD and T5000 vintars are generally not close at all, they have different purposes. Well what are you right ...

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Canep

It’s time for us to equip our army with GLOKs.

And immediately we can expect restrictions on sales of metal for trunks from the United States. Until the ban. They sensed that the Russian company was resisting and competing in the creation of supercomputers, they immediately banned the company from selling electronic components to this company and blacklisted it. Amer never fair trade. Especially with competitors.

[luiswoo]

In this case, our steelworkers were just greedy - it turned out to be cheaper to buy in the states.

[rereture]

Quote: zanoza

There is an option. "Especially for the needs of the special forces of the army and police, Glock has created a variant of the Model 17, which has the ability to conduct automatic fire, called the Glock 18.
You can see here: http://weaponland.ru/load/pistolet_glock_18/105-1-0-507

We have created an APS much earlier.

[waisson]

for heaven’s sake, guys, what glocks are you talking about? Are there really no brains for weapons specialists? Remember our brands AK.TT.SVD. Where are you about patriotism or are you ready to sell the defense industry like in the case of the Lynx that defeated our Tiger

[Pimply]

Remember the brand peep, mace, sword-treasure. Do you propose living to the past?

[rereture]

And in your opinion, is it to score everything and buy from the west?

[Pimply]

No. Just don't stick around on "made in Russia" labels and don't live in the past. Do not repeat every time "has no analogues". Watch, learn, do, and do not hesitate to plug holes with foreign counterparts when necessary. "Made in Russia" is written primarily on the soldier, not on his gun.

[zulu_1]

Quote: zanoza

For information

The drilling method is yesterday.
Forged trunks have a longer resource

[AlexAlex]

For information. First they drill then forge, i.e. drilling is an integral part of any production technology. Rotational forging is an old and widely used method; it is simply fast and technological, inferior in accuracy to planing.