Iran vs. Israel: Can You Win Using Just 'Ballistics' and 'Shaheds'?

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Iran vs. Israel: Can You Win Using Just 'Ballistics' and 'Shaheds'?

Recently in the material Who will win the war between Israel and Iran?? We talked about the fact that the armed conflict between Iran and Israel is extremely asymmetrical.

Israel is conducting an air-space offensive operation, or rather a multi-domain offensive operation, when in addition to reconnaissance from space and air strikes, cyber attacks were carried out on Iran's infrastructure, and reconnaissance and sabotage units were also deployed with drones-kamikaze and with autonomous remote-controlled anti-tank installations missile Spike antitank missile systems.



In turn, Iran conducts military operations almost exclusively with the help of short- and medium-range ballistic missiles (BRMDs and MRBMs), as well as with the use of a limited number of kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which are sometimes referred to as “shahids”.


Can Iran Defeat Israel Using Only 'Ballistics' and 'Shaheds'? What Are the Advantages and Disadvantages of This weapons? What mistakes have Iran made in the past that could seriously affect the outcome of the fighting?

We will talk about this today.

Let's start with the introduction:

1. By victory in this case we mean not the unconditional surrender of Israel, but the cessation of its attacks on Iran, the conclusion aviation from Iranian airspace and the transition to negotiations.

Of course, there can be no talk of any destruction or capitulation of Israel. Why? Because we have point 2.

2. When speaking about the armed conflict between Israel and Iran, it is necessary to take into account that one of the parties is a nuclear power, and the other is striving to become one.

Regarding Israel, I think no one has any doubts, and as for Iran, their statements about the lack of intentions to make nuclear weapons are unconvincing - Iran clearly wants to get into the "nuclear club", and it cannot be ruled out that it already has experimental models of nuclear weapons.


Possible delivery vehicles for Israeli nuclear warheads

3. The US factor – this also needs to be taken into account. US intervention can be assumed in two scenarios – when everything is bad for Iran or when everything is very bad for Israel.

At the time of writing, the US had already carried out a limited number of strikes on Iran, which speaks to the latter's sad situation, although Israel is far from being in a smooth situation either.

Iran has no allies willing to go to war for it, much less allies that can stand up to the United States on equal terms.

So, can Iran defeat the US using only "ballistics" and "shaheeds"?

Although, perhaps, it is more appropriate to speak in the past tense here – could Iran have won?


Theoretically, yes, he could, but to do this he would have to inflict...

First hit


The ballistic missiles used by Iran have one serious drawback - they only hit stationary targets. This is typical for this type of weapon, not just Iranian ones.

Yes, theoretically, the aeroballistic hypersonic missile of the Kinzhal complex that Russia has is capable of hitting moving surface targets, and it seems that the Chinese DF-21 ballistic missile with a hypersonic glide vehicle can do the same, but so far there is no open data on confirmed moving targets destroyed by these missiles.

The military-political leadership of Israel, when planning a strike on Iran, of course, took into account the consequences in the form of Iranian “ballistics” landings – the level of Israeli intelligence allows us to assume that their information about Iranian arsenals is quite accurate.

Accordingly, all important mobile targets changed their location, for example, airplanes and helicopters moved to the territory of friendly countries, including Turkey. (Of course, Türkiye is a situational, temporary ally for Israel, in the future, if the current policy of “Sultan” Erdogan to create a “Turkic world” is maintained, Conflict between Turkey and Israel is almost inevitable).


The basis of Israel's combat power is its aviation

As for stationary targets, those that were likely to be hit were most likely abandoned by their personnel. For example, after the Iranian strike on the Mossad headquarters, Israel hinted to Iran that all agents of the said organization were already operating on Iranian territory at that time.

Of course, there are important objects on Iranian territory that cannot be moved or evacuated, but this is where the accuracy factor of Iranian ballistic missiles comes into play.

Accuracy


And judging by everything, the accuracy of Iranian ballistic missiles is not very good.

Israel has been heavily censoring information about Iranian missile incomings lately, but even the footage that leaks online shows multiple Iranian missile strikes on Israeli cities. It is unlikely that Iran really has the goal of destroying skyscrapers and residential buildings – this is not a matter of humanism, but of the lack of military expediency of such strikes.


However, there are two factors that need to be taken into account. The first is that some of the Iranian ballistic missiles are intercepted in the air by air and missile defense systems (Defense-PRO) of Israel, but the detonation of the warhead (WH) does not occur. In this case, the BR deviates from the course and detonates upon falling.

There are also cases of self-shelling of cities by their own missiles launched by Israeli air defense and missile defense systems.

In fact, we have the same thing as in Ukraine, where a significant number of cases of civilian targets being hit are the result of the destruction of Ukrainian air defenses by Russian cruise missiles (CM), as well as civilian targets being hit by Ukrainian anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs), and given that the SAMs used by the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) have warheads weighing several hundred kilograms, their “arrival” is quite comparable to a strike by a cruise or ballistic missile.


The second factor is Iran's claims that most of the ballistic missiles used against Israel were "old stocks," meaning they were low-precision weapons designed to overwhelm Israel's air and missile defenses and deplete their stocks of SAMs and interceptors.

Here, of course, several questions arise. Firstly, the veracity of the said statements, since, as we know, the official Iranian media are good at lying, and secondly, it is unclear whether Iran will be able to deplete Israel's stock of SAMs at all, especially since the US will certainly provide assistance to Israel by supplying SAMs for the Patriot SAM system. (which in this case will not go to Ukraine) and THAAD missile defense systems.

In this sense, it is logical to overload Israel's air defense and missile defense systems immediately before launching modern ballistic missiles with high accuracy, although it is possible that Iran is doing this, since some of its ballistic missiles hit military targets.


However, recently the number of Iranian ballistic missiles in a salvo has significantly decreased, while Israel’s air and missile defense system continues to function, albeit with less efficiency.

Massive application


You can laugh at Israel's air and missile defense as much as you like, but based on open data, their work deserves the highest praise.

According to some data, the number of intercepted Iranian ballistic missiles reaches 80-85 percent, which is very high for such a complex type of targets as IRBMs and IRBMs. However, these figures are true only for the first days, when Iran launched up to a hundred missiles at a time, possibly those same obsolete ones.


Currently, missiles are launched in quantities of several dozen at most, and sometimes there are single or paired launches, and even Israel’s air defense and missile defense systems are not always able to intercept them.

There are four possible reasons why the number of Iranian ballistic missile launches has dropped sharply.

The first is that there are physically few of them left, after all, BRMD and MRBM are expensive products. After all, they not only need to be manufactured, but also properly stored and maintained, and these are expenses, and not small ones.

Second, Iran had many ballistic missiles, but they were lost due to bombings carried out by the Israeli Air Force.

The third reason is that the Israeli Armed Forces (IAF) have sealed a significant number of the exits from the underground storage facilities, so it takes a long time to clear them, especially under the constant influence of the Israeli Air Force.

Well, the fourth reason is that Israel quickly knocks out the deployable launchers in the part of Iran closest to it, from which the IRBMs are launched, as a result of which Iran has to work mainly with IRBMs from the eastern part of the country. This explains both the decrease in the number of launches (IRBMs are more expensive and there are fewer of them than IRBMs), and the difficulties with their interception by Israeli air defense and missile defense systems (it is much more difficult to shoot down an IRBM than a IRBM).


Statistics on Iranian Ballistic Missile Use

Although, in fact, it is most likely a combination of all four reasons voiced.

Another Iranian weapon is the Shahed, which in the Geranium-2 variant proved itself well in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine.


For some reason, the use of long-range kamikaze UAVs by the Iranian armed forces is severely limited. Apparently, attacks usually involve only a few dozen machines, which are intercepted by Israeli aircraft over the territory of third countries. It is logical that, using one or two thousand Shaheds at once, Iran would penetrate Israel's distributed air defense system, but for some reason this does not happen.

The reasons here may be the same as in the case of ballistic missiles - not many Shaheds were initially produced, a significant portion of them were destroyed during Israeli bombings, the exits from UAV storage facilities were blocked, and Israeli aviation quickly destroys UAVs even when they try to launch, along with their personnel.


Israeli attack helicopters are quite successful in hunting for "shahedeen"

The Iranian Armed Forces’ strikes using IRBMs, IRBMs and Shaheds could have been an order of magnitude more massive, but this brings us back to the point of “the first strike”.

However, in order to maximize the effectiveness of the first strike, the Iranian IRBM and MRBM lack one important feature – the ability to operate on area targets.

Work by area


Based on video recordings of strikes carried out by Iranian ballistic missiles, it can be seen that in almost all cases, single-warhead warheads are used.

Such warheads are very good for destroying well-protected stationary objects – buildings, structures, bunkers, etc. However, to guarantee the destruction of a target from a warhead, high accuracy of hit is required, which, as we have already said above, Iranian ballistic missiles have certain problems with.

But with the destruction of area targets, everything is more complicated. A linear increase in the mass of the warhead does not lead to an equally linear increase in the radius of destruction, therefore, cluster warheads have been used to destroy area targets since the Second World War (WWII). For example, if the FAB-500 single-block high-explosive aerial bomb has a destruction radius of 30 meters, then a cluster aerial bomb weighing 500 kilograms has a destruction radius of 300 meters.

The Russian Armed Forces have Iskander missiles equipped with cluster warheads. It is possible that there is a version of the Oreshnik MRBM with a conventional warhead capable of defeating area targets, but there is no confirmed data on this matter yet.


Deployment of a cluster warhead

We discussed the feasibility of creating heavy ballistic missiles with a warhead designed to deliver area strikes back in 2023 in the article "Swept Away by Fire": ICBMs with Shrapnel Warheads to Hit Targets Deep in Ukraine.

We considered the use of cluster warheads to increase the effectiveness of the heavy supersonic anti-ship missiles (ASM) Kh-22 "Burya" used against ground targets in the material Blow for blow: cluster warheads on high-precision long-range weapons.

It is characteristic that it has recently become known that cluster warheads are being used in Ukraine, but not on the Kh-22 anti-ship missiles, but on the Kh-101 subsonic cruise missiles – we also discussed the advisability of such a decision in the article The Kh-101 cruise missile with a reinforced warhead and the prospects for creating modular long-range precision weapons.


Presumably, these are the remains of a cluster warhead of the X-101 cruise missile somewhere in Ukraine

So, it seems that Iran has no RBMD or MRBM with cluster warheads at all. Some information has leaked about Iran's possible use of a ballistic missile with a cluster warhead with an opening at 8 kilometers, but it looks more like it was not a cluster warhead, but a multiple warhead, and it is unclear whether its sub-blocks were guided or not - in the latter case, such a multiple warhead makes sense only in a nuclear warhead.

Conclusions


So could Iran defeat Israel with just "ballistics" and "shahids"?

Theoretically yes, but for this to happen a number of factors had to come together.

The first factor is a preemptive first strike; only in this case would Iran have a chance to inflict significant damage on Israel’s main striking force – its combat aviation.

The second factor is a massive strike – more than a thousand ballistic missiles in the first day, more than ten thousand long-range kamikaze UAVs.


Massive use of ballistic missiles with single-block warheads against shelters and with cluster warheads against openly located equipment. This also includes government buildings, the Mossad, the main command facilities of the armed forces, and fuel and energy complex facilities. This pace had to be maintained for at least two or three days.

There are two problems here. Firstly, in such a scenario, the US will almost certainly intervene in the conflict to the fullest extent, and everything will come to approximately what we are seeing in Iran now. Secondly, Israel will most likely “get nervous” and use its nuclear weapons. Incidentally, it may well use them in the current situation.


Use of GBU-57 bunker buster munition from B-2 stealth bomber

So the third factor is nuclear weapons. The only way to force the US to stop striking Iran and/or force Israel to stop using nuclear weapons is with the help of those same nuclear weapons, that is, after a few days from the moment of the attack, Iran would have to test a nuclear weapon - it doesn't matter if it is done using a primitive cannon scheme and is the size of a railway car, but test it, and then declare a ceasefire and readiness for negotiations.

For us, the use of nuclear weapons by Israel, and the nuclear tests by Iran will open a “window of opportunity” in which the United States, Russia and China will receive a platform for forced cooperation, since otherwise nuclear weapons will begin to rapidly spread across the planet and the superpowers’ ability to dominate will be significantly reduced, and local armed conflicts across the planet will quickly turn into an ongoing nuclear nightmare, ultimately This could lead to new agreements between the superpowers, which will determine the world order for some time.

If we exclude the possibility of Iran conducting nuclear tests and Israel launching nuclear strikes, Iran could only stop the US by inflicting significant losses on its aircraft, but the current level of Iran's air defense does not allow us to consider such a possibility. We will return to the question of how this can be done later.

It is also worth noting that the situation with the need for massive use of long-range precision weapons may well be transferred to Ukraine - if in 2022, instead of a long and noticeable concentration of ground forces and a subsequent ground invasion, Russia suddenly and without warning, in the middle of the working day, launched a truly massive strike with cruise and ballistic missiles on decision-making centers, financial system facilities and fuel and energy complex facilities of Ukraine, then this war could well have ended in two or three days, and would not have lasted for more than three years, as it has now, however, our missed opportunities are also a topic for a separate conversation.

Can Iran win now, given what has happened and what is happening?

Militarily, probably not – it is unlikely that Iran's current capabilities are sufficient to defeat Israel militarily, but two factors could intervene.

The first is Israel's willingness to make sacrifices. Given the size of Israel's territory and the density of its population, with a sufficient supply of "ballistics" and "shaheeds," Iran could well break the will of the civilian population to resist, systematically turning Israeli cities into ruins.

The second factor is economic. If Iran manages to close the Strait of Hormuz, it could well have such economic consequences throughout the world that Israel and even the United States will be under such powerful pressure, both from other countries and from their own financial structures, that they will be forced to sit down at the negotiating table.

Who can be considered the winner in such a situation is an open question.
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  1. -2
    25 June 2025 03: 48
    2. When speaking about the armed conflict between Israel and Iran, it is necessary to take into account that one of the parties is a nuclear power, and the other is striving to become one.

    Regarding Israel, I think no one has any doubts, and as for Iran, their statements about the lack of intentions to make nuclear weapons are unconvincing - Iran clearly wants to get into the "nuclear club", and it cannot be ruled out that it already has experimental models of nuclear weapons.


    You don't have to read it after that. Another brainwashing.
    I am still "surprised". Israel developed nuclear weapons together with South Africa. There is such a hero of the Russian Federation, the illegal intelligence officer Kozlov. Based on his intelligence data on their nuclear program, South Africa ceased to exist as an apartheid state.
    Why has the state of Israel not ceased to be Zionist?
    1. +3
      25 June 2025 04: 30
      Quote: bya965
      Why has the state of Israel not ceased to be Zionist?

      Should it be?
      1. -1
        25 June 2025 04: 37
        Of course it should. Having tested nuclear weapons it should.
        Regimes that have elements of Nazism should not possess nuclear weapons.
        I mean apartheid and Zionism.
        1. +5
          25 June 2025 04: 42
          Quote: bya965
          Of course it should.

          Do you think that your opinion matters in this regard? For example, China does not set itself the task of fighting Zionism. Not to mention the USA and EU countries. The foreign policy of the Russian Federation does not declare this either. Like "everyone "cenz", and you, d'Artagnan?
          1. -4
            25 June 2025 05: 36
            Why are you labeling me? It's better to keep quiet about the USA and EU countries.
            PRC, you can also bring in the largest country in the world, India, or Indonesia, as Muslim.
            Apartheid kills its citizens, Zionism (since it denies the existence of Palestine) in fact kills its citizens. Possession of a nuclear umbrella means the long-term existence of such anti-human regimes.
            And the Russian Federation simply does not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries, unlike the US, the EU countries and Israel. But regimes that commit genocide (all sorts of strong believers, like the Islamic State, should be added here) must be destroyed. By what means, that is the question and the main thing is that something worse does not emerge from their ruins.
            1. +7
              25 June 2025 05: 46
              Quote: bya965
              Why are you labeling me? It's better to keep quiet about the USA and EU countries.
              PRC, you can also bring in the largest country in the world, India, or Indonesia, as Muslim.

              The policy of apartheid was condemned by the UN, and in 1973 the UN adopted the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid.
              That is, in terms of the apartheid policy, there still exists a strong WORLDWIDE opinion about its criminal nature and the need for punishment for its use.
              There is no such international opinion regarding Zionism.
              1. fiv
                +3
                25 June 2025 06: 32
                Let me clarify. Regarding Zionism, world Zionism is not inclined to such a decision. hi
              2. + 12
                25 June 2025 06: 34
                Quote: Puncher
                There is no such international opinion regarding Zionism.
                In 1975, the UN General Assembly adopted a Resolution that qualified Zionism as, I quote - form of racism and racial discrimination.

                In 1991, immediately after the collapse of the USSR, at the insistence of Israel and the United States, this Resolution was cancelled. The USSR ceased to exist and to fight with one of the forms of racism and racial discrimination - Zionism, there was no one left...
                1. +2
                  25 June 2025 07: 43
                  Quote: Luminman
                  In 1975, the UN General Assembly adopted a Resolution that qualified Zionism as, I quote, a form of racism and racial discrimination.

                  The resolution is just a statement. Nothing more. Resolution 3379 was cancelled after the countries that had previously voted for it themselves rejected it, and this coincided with the fall of the Soviet system in these countries. That is, the adoption of the resolution was politically motivated. And the CONVENTION condemning apartheid was not cancelled and was not attempted.
                  1. 0
                    25 June 2025 15: 06
                    Quote: Puncher
                    The resolution is just a statement. Nothing more. Resolution 3379 was cancelled after the countries that had previously voted for it themselves rejected it, and this coincided with the fall of the Soviet system in these countries. That is, the adoption of the resolution was politically motivated.

                    Not long ago, the UN adopted a resolution on "Combating the Glorification of Nazism." 119 states voted for the document, 53 delegations voted against, and ten countries abstained.
                    How many years will it take before the condemnation and ban on Nazism as such is lifted?
                    1. -1
                      26 June 2025 05: 07
                      Quote: Askold65
                      The UN adopted a resolution on "Combating the glorification of Nazism."

                      And what did this actually give? Nothing. And they imposed some serious sanctions on South Africa.
                      1. -1
                        26 June 2025 10: 07
                        And what did it actually give? Nothing.)))))
                        I am talking to you about the abolition of the condemnation and ban of Zionism. I asked a rhetorical question: how many years will pass before the resolution on the ban and condemnation of Nazism is removed.
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                        And they introduced some serious sanctions against South Africa.))))
                        These sanctions were purely symbolic. The West ignored them and supplied South Africa with everything it needed. They do not compare to those imposed against the DPRK, Iran and Russia. South Africa continued to be a major supplier of raw materials (gold, diamonds, uranium, etc.) to world markets (the West). In addition, South Africa was a Western proxy against the influence of the USSR in the south of the African continent.
                2. +1
                  25 June 2025 09: 51
                  Quote: Luminman
                  The USSR ceased to exist and there was no one left to fight one of the forms of racism and racial discrimination - Zionism...

                  But we have dug up people like Ilyin and his “white knights” from oblivion. wink
        2. -1
          25 June 2025 07: 41
          And who decides whether it should or not? Someone again puts themselves better than others? Everyone looks at it from their own perspective, for some it is an infringement, for others an opportunity.
        3. +1
          25 June 2025 16: 25
          Zionism is the return of all Jews, dispersed by the Romans all over the world, to their historical homeland. There are no other meanings. So Nazism is out of the question.
          1. -5
            25 June 2025 18: 51
            You're lying!
            1. For Jews, Palestine and Jerusalem are not their historical homeland, they are newcomers. Or they are lying about Moses and the exodus from Egypt.
            2. Okay, let it be not historical, but still a homeland according to point 1. What right do they have to expel, evict, genocide peoples who lived on that land longer than the ancient Jews before that.
            3. Now almost all nations live on a land other than the one where they were formed. But, somehow, they do not make such rabid demands.
            4. Every fourth Belarusian died. This is the highest percentage of victims in World War II. Either in the partisans or on their native land. With the Jews, everything is unclear, or rather understandable. I will answer as is customary for you. Give me at least one rich Jewish family that suffered from Hitler?
            1. 0
              26 June 2025 15: 54
              1. For Jews, Palestine and Jerusalem are not their historical homeland, they are outsiders

              Jews are one of the Semitic tribes that came to Israel, most likely from the Syrian desert before the 10th century BC, that is, even BEFORE the stories of the Trojan War and Homer's Iliad, Jews lived in Israel in times even BEFORE the ancient Greek myths about Hercules.
              The word Palestine itself is Jewish.
              This is a Latinized version of the name of one of the regions of Israel, the one to which the Sea Peoples came.
              In Russian, there is a word "Philistines". This is it. From Hebrew it means "outsiders". This is what the Jews called one of the peoples of the sea, who sailed from Greece and initially populated the territory of modern Gaza AFTER the arrival of the Jews to Israel.
              For the Arabs, all this has absolutely no meaning. Before Mohammed, Islam, the conquests of the Caliphate and the Arabs in "Palestine" there are at least 1500 years.
              2. Okay, let it be not historical, but still a homeland according to point 1. What right do they have to expel, evict, genocide peoples who lived on that land longer than the ancient Jews before that?

              Jews have lived in Israel without interruption for over 3000 years.
              The Arabs specifically conquered Israel 1500 years ago, as well as Egypt, Sham, Persia, Libya, Mauritania, Spain, Cappadocia, the Caucasus, Bactria.
              What right did the Arabs have to conquer these lands and Arabize (literally forcibly assimilate) the ancient peoples who had lived there for thousands of years?
              And it's funny to hear about how the Israelis are pushing all other peoples out of their state. Millions of Arabs, Muslims, Christians, and Druze live in Israel, all of them have Israeli citizenship and even serve in the army. Muslims even take the oath in the army on the Koran.
              The fact that this is a Jewish state, on the territory of historical Israel, does not mean that it strives to be monoethnic. But the followers of anti-Jewish organizations strive to throw the Jews out of Israel.
              Think.
              3. Now almost all nations live on a land other than the one where they were formed. But, somehow, they do not make such rabid demands.

              Russians live. The overwhelming majority of Germans, English, French, Italians, Chinese, Thais, Japanese.
              Just imagine a situation where someone evicted Russians en masse from the areas of Smolensk, Vitebsk, Novgorod, Polotsk, and then said that this is not originally Russian land and Russians cannot come and live there.
              For example, some people claim that there is no place for Russians in Polesia, Kyiv and Chernigov. This is called Banderaism.
              What is the name of the position that prohibits Jews from returning to Israel?
              4. Every fourth Belarusian died. This is the highest percentage of victims in World War II.

              As a result of WWII, such a language as Yiddish ceased to exist. In 39, there were more than 10 million Yiddish speakers, today there are half a million.
              Guess why?
              Give me one rich Jewish family that suffered from Hitler?

              If you mean a very rich family like the Rothschilds, then that is not objective.
              Because people who have a lot of money have the opportunity to immediately leave countries where Jewish pogroms periodically occur and where they are simply not very welcome. And those living in these countries will constantly experience problems in getting rich that much.
              But nevertheless I remember such a writer - Toller.
              He was far from a poor man. He suffered from the Nazis.
              There was a Jew named Rathenau. A businessman and a minister in the Weimar Republic. He was killed not by the Nazis, but by the same kind.
              1. -3
                26 June 2025 19: 37
                You Jews are supposedly smart, you must have logic and all sorts of calculations?
                Or is it Muscovite science?
                1 point. I will answer further if I see at least elements of logic in the answer. The ancient Greeks came up with it.

                Quote: English Tarantas

                Jews are one of the Semitic tribes that came to Israel, most likely from the Syrian desert before the 10th century BC, that is, even BEFORE the stories of the Trojan War and Homer's Iliad, Jews lived in Israel in times even BEFORE the ancient Greek myths about Hercules.
                The word Palestine itself is Jewish.

                Well, how is that possible? The Trojan War was in the 12th century BC, and the Jewish exodus was also in the 12th century.
                Here the date can be disputed, it’s just that the Great Migration of Peoples began, the Bronze Age ended and the Iron Age began, trade links were destroyed, etc.
                Quote: English Tarantas

                This is a Latinized version of the name of one of the regions of Israel, the one to which the Sea Peoples came.
                In Russian, there is a word "Philistines". This is it. From Hebrew it means "outsiders". This is what the Jews called one of the peoples of the sea, who sailed from Greece and initially populated the territory of modern Gaza AFTER the arrival of the Jews to Israel.

                The thing is that the peoples of the sea lived by sea trade. And they lived there at least several thousand years before the arrival of the Jews. After the migration, many Jews began to believe in gods or the god of the Philistines. So they had several names for devils based on the names of their cities.
                Here we can play a game of you give me the devil, I give you the city. The Philistines ceased to exist only during the conquest of Alexander the Great. Although they no longer had their former power, the Jews could not defeat them for 1000 years, Alexander helped. This is now the Gaza Strip.
                Quote: English Tarantas

                For the Arabs, all this has absolutely no meaning. Before Mohammed, Islam, the conquests of the Caliphate and the Arabs in "Palestine" there are at least 1500 years.

                For me, both Arabs and Jews are one people. Genetically and in many ways ethnically. That's why you will kill each other until the end of your times. But the peoples who lived on the territory of Palestine have lived there for 2 thousand years, and the ancestors of the Jews for 1200 years, and that was 2000 years ago.
                About the fact that there were only a few Jews living there, I can say that there were many more of them living in the rest of the world. It's like Armenians, they live in Russia more than in Armenia.

                Quote: English Tarantas

                If you mean a very rich family like the Rothschilds, then that is not objective.

                I could not resist.

                The Zionists advocated for the earliest possible resettlement of Jews to the land of Palestine, which was also of interest to Germany. On August 27, 1933, the Ministry of Economics of the Third Reich and the Zionist representatives of Germany and Palestine signed the Hawara Agreement (from Hebrew - "transfer"), within the framework of which Jewish emigrants were allowed to directly transfer their property. The Zionists enjoyed the attention and support of the Nazis. This support was not limited to words, but was expressed in very real material assistance. While ordinary emigration was subject to a tax established back in the days of the Weimar Republic on the export of capital abroad, increased by Hitler to unimaginable proportions, the Nazi authorities facilitated the departure of Jews to Palestine and in every way supported the activities of the Zionists in Germany. The German side was given relief in exporting goods to the Middle East. For fascist Germany, Hawara created a kind of breach in the boycott of German goods declared by Jews in foreign countries.
              2. -1
                27 June 2025 04: 35
                P.S. Sorry, I slept restlessly last night. I need to clarify my phrase here:
                "For me, both Arabs and Jews are one people. Genetically and in many ways ethnically."

                There are of course Ashkenazi and also blacks from Ethiopia and Russian Old Believers with the Jewish faith. Therefore, genetically they are not quite Arabs, that is, Jews are one people.

                I would very much like you to be reasonable. I have many Jewish friends, many at work, and I do not wish them harm. But as the great Pushkin wrote:
                How is prophetic Oleg now gathered
                Take revenge on the foolish Khozars

                Svyatoslav took revenge.
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    2. 0
      25 June 2025 06: 09
      I agree, it is hard to read where thoughts and conclusions are confused. The title is no longer correct, it should be titled "will Iran be able to defeat the USA......" because the confrontation is only coming from the USA, Israel is a small thug, and then the options come down to one, to guarantee minimal success of your security you need to have nuclear weapons, and then hypersonics in the amount of several thousand carriers.
      1. +1
        25 June 2025 16: 33
        Iran doesn't give a damn about the States. But "throwing Israel into the sea" (literally) is their official goal, as it was for other Islamic regimes before. Only everyone was constantly getting a slap on the wrist, piling on a "petty thug". Although the States did not help him, but on the contrary - imposed sanctions.
    3. 0
      2 July 2025 13: 28
      South Africa as a state disappeared from the world map because then the blacks took power and nullified all past merits and achievements. Now there is no state there but a territory where there is a war of all against all. And therefore the results of research in the field of nuclear weapons (and not only!) temporarily became unnecessary.
  2. -6
    25 June 2025 04: 31
    "If Russia had suddenly and without warning, in the middle of the working day, launched a truly massive strike with cruise and ballistic missiles against decision-making centers, financial system facilities, and fuel and energy complex facilities in Ukraine, then this war could well have ended in two or three days, rather than lasting for more than three years."
    The author noted above that aviation is much more effective than ballistics and immediately comes to the conclusion that more ballistics were needed. What nonsense? Only aviation can paralyze a state's defense by capturing its skies, providing itself with the ability to selectively strike at key structures and block the transfer of reserves.
    Israel easily captured the sky and won. Because no matter how effective ballistic missiles are, they run out, and their production requires a developed industry that operates without interference. But if the sky is in the hands of the enemy, then it is obvious that he will be able to solve the issue of destroying industrial enterprises, the energy system and the movement of important cargo between related enterprises. A ballistic missile cannot be made in a garage, and rocket fuel (which is required in huge quantities) cannot be hidden in canisters.
    1. +1
      25 June 2025 06: 38
      100 years passed and people began to discuss the Douhet doctrine again. It turned out to be a tenacious infection....
      Quote: Puncher
      Israel easily captured the sky and won

      1. -2
        25 June 2025 07: 47
        Quote: your1970
        100 years passed and people began to discuss the Douhet doctrine again. It turned out to be a tenacious infection....

        Because it has become technically possible. Especially against dictatorial regimes, where it is enough to eliminate/block the dictator and the regime can collapse. Israel has such an opportunity. Drive the ayatollah into a bunker, leave him without communication, knock out the IRGC leadership and, left without supervision, the internal forces themselves will tear apart the non-functioning system.
    2. +2
      25 June 2025 07: 27
      Quote: Puncher
      Israel easily captured the sky and won.

      They laughed at the F-35 "penguin", saying that a fighter from it is like a bullet from some substance, but it was conceived first of all as a low-observable strike aircraft. Correctly used, it cleared Iranian airspace from air defense and Iranian aviation, and made it possible for the F-16, which is much more visible, but also carries a much larger payload, to operate calmly. Since the times of the 1st World War, the parties that have air supremacy have not lost wars.
      1. +2
        25 June 2025 07: 36
        Quote: Nagan
        Laughed at the F-35 "penguin"

        Well, they still laugh at the F-117, not noticing its role in suppressing Iraqi air defenses in 1991. But the Su-57 is considered super-cool, despite the fact that it is not allowed to fly over Ukraine.
        1. 0
          25 June 2025 07: 50
          Quote: Puncher
          The F-117 is still being laughed at, ignoring its role in suppressing Iraqi air defenses
          It was not intended for serial production at all, and was conceived as a technology demonstrator. But some [moderated] wanted to put it into serial production as is. And after its success in Iraq against Saddam's not-so-advanced air defense, no less [moderated] decided that it was a universal means of resolving all conflicts. They were driven in Yugoslavia to brazenly bomb secondary targets in broad daylight, until one, quite naturally, got into trouble. After that, they went to the opposite extreme, and they were all grounded.
          1. 0
            25 June 2025 08: 00
            Quote: Nagan
            success in Iraq against Saddam's less-than-advanced air defenses

            And who had it at the forefront then? Yes, the first Patriot, as well as the S-300P, differed mainly only in multi-channel capability. So Iraq's air defense was quite at the world level, moreover, it had combat experience in repelling real air raids.
      2. -1
        25 June 2025 15: 45
        Quote: Nagan
        Since World War I, the air superiority side has not lost a war.

        Lol.....
        Off the top of my head - only the first ones that came along The USA with its Vietnam and Afghanistan (complete superiority!!).
        And a bunch of other countries
        1. +4
          25 June 2025 19: 35
          Well, there was an overwhelming superiority in military terms and the ratio of losses was simply not serious. Both Vietnam and Afghanistan are examples of political defeats, when bad policy nullified any military achievements. So yes, if you want to win at least in military terms, you need to gain air superiority.
        2. +1
          25 June 2025 19: 36
          And when the political component is in place - well, look at the example of Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq both times.
      3. 0
        25 June 2025 16: 59
        By the way, the flight of such slow and huge B2 in the amount of 7 pieces, showed that the Penguins completely suppressed the Iranian air defense. The B 2 aircraft are "clear sky" aircraft, and they flew almost all of Iran and returned the same way. Not a single anti-aircraft missile was launched.
        1. -3
          26 June 2025 10: 18
          And who told you that they flew over all of Iran? Well, and the main thing: Iran's air defense does not cover the entire sky, it is focal, plus it is quite seriously suppressed. The US, having excellent satellite reconnaissance, can easily lay a route outside the air defense system's zone of destruction, and jam the air defense in the right places. Well, Iran does not have either the S300 or the S400, or other normal systems with ranges over 40 km and capable of counteracting American electronic warfare systems.
    3. -2
      25 June 2025 12: 09
      And who said that Israel won? Netanyahu?
      1. +1
        26 June 2025 05: 06
        Quote: 933454818
        And who said that Israel won? Netanyahu?

        The facts speak. Israel has captured the skies over Iran and can do whatever it wants.
        1. -3
          26 June 2025 10: 22
          It seems I've seen and heard something like this somewhere before, I wonder where and when? Oh yeah, 1941, Hitler had already won in July.
          The facts show that business has been closed in Israel for over 12 days, the economy is on the verge of collapse, tourism is in the dumps, Israel has spent half of its weapons and is on the verge of using up its anti-missiles and air-to-ground missiles. And the facts also show that aviation in modern conditions does not decide much, Iran is huge, and Israel has not achieved anything and will not achieve anything with air strikes, but how long will Israel last without tourism, without business and with a destroyed infrastructure? And no one knows how many more UAVs and missiles Iran has and all this will systematically hammer the Jews.
          1. 0
            26 June 2025 11: 12
            Quote: Victor Sergeev
            The facts show that business has been closed in Israel for more than 12 days, the economy is on the verge of collapse, tourism is at a standstill, Israel has spent half of its weapons and is on the verge of using up its anti-missiles and air-to-ground missiles.

            Believe it as much as you like, you came up with it yourself and believed it yourself.
  3. +4
    25 June 2025 04: 47
    This:
    You can laugh at Israel's air and missile defense as much as you like, but based on open data, their work deserves the highest praise.

    It looks somehow awkward if you want an objective assessment of what is happening.
    And where does Israel's strength lie? In the operational work of the Mossad? Or in the supply of weapons to Israel by the US? Maybe all Jewish "power" is based on the hope for help from the "ubiquitous" older brother?
    With such a position, one can assume that the Jewish state will not survive for long and will be as before...
    1. +1
      25 June 2025 06: 12
      There is another factor - the number of population and the size of the territory, because a narrow strip by the sea is easier to destroy. Israel will not survive a serious long-term confrontation, and the East is corrupt, it is the norm there and the Jews use it "divide and rule..." they and the USA have learned well.
    2. +9
      25 June 2025 06: 35
      1. Mossad.
      2. The venality of Iranians.
      3. The best Air Force. Moreover, in terms of command.
      4. US support from bases.
      5. Good and persistent military command
      The downside is the political leadership with a hole in its head.
      1. +1
        25 June 2025 06: 39
        Quote: MCmaximus
        4. US support from bases
        This is the most accurate! Military and political support can also be added here...
      2. -1
        25 June 2025 07: 39
        Upvoted. With one comment:
        The downside is the political leadership with a hole in its head.

        With any other management, the first five points are useless.
      3. -2
        26 June 2025 10: 26
        Really made me laugh. The best Air Force, a good joke. The best among whom? Maybe it's easier to say: around the country with the worst Air Force? Maybe there are sellouts in Iran, but in war conditions it is Iran that is capable of uniting. Jews are used to beating the weak, who quickly surrender, Iran is capable of fighting for years, let's see how long Israel will hold out, and not in a military sense, but in an economic sense.
        1. -1
          26 June 2025 10: 27
          Among all. Whether you like it or not.
    3. +3
      25 June 2025 07: 45
      It will live for a very long time, so much has been invested in it that it's terrifying. It is an outpost of the West in the Middle East, for some reason our patriots always forget this. Zion will be restored and strengthened! - this is what they write in the Western press, read something other than our one-sided media, it really helps to broaden your view of things
    4. +5
      25 June 2025 10: 56
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And what is Israel's strength?
      In American taxpayers wink
    5. 0
      25 June 2025 11: 40
      Israel's strength is that it is the Middle East state of the United States. There is no other basis for strength.
      1. +2
        25 June 2025 16: 39
        Israel's main strength is that it has nowhere to retreat. And its opponents only have political desires.
      2. -1
        25 June 2025 17: 12
        A particularly privileged state! The American leadership doesn't give a damn about any Alabamas anymore
        1. -6
          25 June 2025 17: 32
          The Jews of the USA have subjugated the entire emigrant rabble of their country through the Federal Reserve System, which they own. Domestic politics in the USA is a struggle between Jews. They rule both parties. They invented Israel to prevent the Arabs from uniting and dictating prices for energy resources.
          Iran is doomed. They will gnaw at it for a long time and mercilessly, leading to internal division and civil unrest.
  4. +3
    25 June 2025 04: 57
    So, can Iran defeat the US using only "ballistics" and "shaheeds"?
    It can win. This is not a classic war of armies, but a war for the destruction of the economy. Israel, with its ten million population and a complete lack of resources, is seriously inferior to Iran in this matter, which in the event of a protracted war, with thousands of missiles and drones, could easily bring Israel to its knees. At the same time, I do not take into account such factors as financial, political and military support for Israel by the United States. Israel has already begun full mobilization, which means a severe decline in the economy. And if not for peace.....
    1. +3
      25 June 2025 05: 48
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      with thousands of missiles and drones, he could easily bring Israel to its knees

      Well, why didn't you install them? Well, this is Iran's primary task, the meaning of its existence, as well as the world Shiite revolution. Maybe because "thousands of missiles" exist only in your imagination?
      1. 0
        25 June 2025 06: 07
        Quote: Puncher
        Well then why didn't you install it?
        You probably don't follow the news? A Nobel Prize candidate there wished to establish peace. It was not for nothing that I left out
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        In this case, I do not take into account such factors as financial, political and military support for Israel by the United States.
        1. +2
          25 June 2025 07: 21
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          The Nobel Prize candidate there wished to establish peace.

          And the Ayatollah cares about Donny's opinion? He's his friend?
          1. 0
            25 June 2025 09: 07
            Quote: Puncher
            And the Ayatollah cares about Donny's opinion? He's his friend?
            No, he is not a friend. He is the president of a nuclear power with a strong navy, air force and an economy equal to two EU countries.
            1. 0
              26 June 2025 04: 44
              Quote: Dutchman Michel
              No, he is not a friend. He is the president of a nuclear power with a strong navy, air force and an economy equal to two EU countries.

              That is, the old man is pissing himself in simple words.
      2. +1
        25 June 2025 17: 05
        Not a single Iranian UAV has reached Israeli territory.
        1. -1
          25 June 2025 20: 29
          One - flew... (Beit Shean (north-east)
    2. +6
      25 June 2025 08: 08
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      This is not a classic war of armies, but a war for the destruction of the economy. Israel, with its ten million population and a complete lack of resources, is seriously inferior to Iran in this matter.

      Israel's economy is larger than Iran's. Iran's population is many times larger, which is why the costs of food, water and other things needed by the population are higher.
      1. +1
        25 June 2025 09: 38
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Israel's economy is larger than Iran's.

        Ah...Yes-yes-yes...
        1. +3
          25 June 2025 10: 14
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Ah...Yes-yes-yes...

          This is GDP PPP, which is intended solely for quality of life purposes. See data without PPP.
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%92%D0%92%D0%9F_(%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB)
          26 Israel 583.3
          36 Iran 446.3
          1. -4
            25 June 2025 12: 18
            List of countries by GDP (PPP)Below is a list of countries and territorial entities by gross domestic product (taking into account purchasing power parity).2024
            23. Iran - $1698,5 billion.
            51. Israel - $541.3 billion.
            https://ru.ruwiki.ru/wiki/Список_стран_по_ВВП_(ППС)
    3. -1
      25 June 2025 12: 11
      Several days ago, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called on a number of countries, including the Gulf states, to share the costs of Israel's ongoing war with Iran.
      "The Gulf countries, which earn trillions of dollars, Germany, Great Britain and France should share the costs of this war, at least economically," Jewish Channel 14 quotes Smotrich as saying.
  5. +1
    25 June 2025 06: 02
    Although, in fact, most likely takes place...

    Pardon the tediousness, but it's correct: simply "takes place", i.e. is present, exists. And with "to be" -- it's a viral tautology.
    On topic: I agree with the author on almost everything. I will add that without an effective multi-level air defense, even a victory like the one described in the article is out of the question. Iran needs to urgently rebuild its air defense while the ceasefire is in effect and it can buy equipment from China!
  6. +3
    25 June 2025 06: 34
    "Can Iran Defeat Israel Using Only 'Ballistics'"

    What kind of fashion is this - using illiterate Ukrainian slang?
    Ballistics is a science, not a weapon.
    1. -1
      25 June 2025 09: 42
      Quote: sergan, m
      What kind of fashion is this - using illiterate Ukrainian slang?

      laughing
      On the first day of spring, the Tsar convened a state council.
      In fact, he convened him every day and asked important questions.
      Like: what time is it or who is stronger - a whale or an elephant?
      But this time, he outdid himself.
  7. fiv
    -5
    25 June 2025 06: 44
    First of all, what does it mean to "win a war" today? We essentially have three states now that claim to have achieved their goals in this conflict: Iran, Israel, and the United States. But the foot of a soldier of the opposing state (not counting the secret service) has never trampled on foreign territory, no one has lost or gained a single meter of land, nor has anyone lost or gained significant economic benefits or preferences. Everyone has remained with their own, as they say.
    It was a "spark breakdown of the air gap", like lightning during a thunderstorm. There was no war, which means no one could and did not win it.
    1. -5
      25 June 2025 11: 53
      Correct. There was no war, which means there is no truce. There is a temporary ceasefire. There is no point in counting the number of killed and wounded. Just as there is no point in determining the scale of the damage. The meaning of this war is in another area. Netanyahu has 3 criminal cases, including fraud, and he needs a small victorious (in the information field) war like air. Winners are not judged.
  8. Ana
    0
    25 June 2025 06: 57
    Well, as is obvious, in such a situation both sides suffered a defeat, as Olmert said, tactically we won, but strategically rather not. The Greater Middle East has become more unstable. As for the quality of Iranian missiles, this is largely due to the thermal insulation of warheads, this is a boundary condition for overheating in the atmosphere for medium-range ballistics, back in 16, as part of the assessment of a probable strike on Europe and the created pro, it became obvious that Iran is not capable of independently making ablative coating and heat-resistant ceramics. In general, the degree of risk for Israel as a whole has increased as a result of this operation.
  9. +3
    25 June 2025 07: 52
    I understand the cries of "for the Persians", after all, this is the official position of our ruling leadership, they know better. But not the entire people! So if you read the foreign press, where of course they also embellish a lot of things like we do, then they firmly intend to restore Zion in all respects, especially in military terms, in order to strike again. Nothing is finished yet, they write that work will be done on mistakes. So I do not understand the squeals that some "we" won
    1. -2
      25 June 2025 08: 40
      The Israeli economy is falling apart, tourism is in tatters, business has frozen. It is possible to restore Israel militarily, but something tells me that it is unlikely to do so economically. By the way, the West is already in a hole militarily, with Ukraine. It is not the army that wins wars, but the economy. There are no squeals about "we won", there is dislike for Israel and joy from the blow to it, and you, lovers of Jews, are obviously very much affected by this.
      1. +3
        25 June 2025 11: 00
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        in economic terms it's unlikely
        Never mind, never mind! American taxpayers will tighten their belts, Trump will cut social security, and Israel's economy will revive again. And if there aren't enough dollars, they'll print more. This isn't the first time they've done this. wink
  10. -3
    25 June 2025 08: 38
    War is the economy. Israeli business has been closed for 10 days, people are not working and are not getting paid, no compensation, but they need to live. Tourism is out. Simple attacks on infrastructure and energy will knock out the Israeli economy. Israel's national debt is growing at an incredible rate and this is against the backdrop of a falling economy. And if Iran helps the Houthis knock out all ships going to Israel, there will be a complete collapse.
  11. +4
    25 June 2025 09: 01
    The article forgot so damn well that the statistics you record in the Zionist air defense include American air defense ships and their aircraft deployed at the matrasni bases in the region + some other allies. So they fought off Iranian missiles "with the whole world", and Iran carried out strikes alone.
  12. -2
    25 June 2025 09: 19
    Iran vs. Israel: Can You Win Using Just 'Ballistics' and 'Shaheds'?

    No. Jews have been fighting throughout history. And this won't break them.
    1. -4
      25 June 2025 11: 51
      And they always lost:) Will they survive this time? Unlikely, they have never understood anything in all their centuries.
      1. +1
        25 June 2025 17: 18
        The 1967 war, Israeli troops are on the banks of the Suez Canal and near Beirut, the Doomsday War and again the complete defeat of the armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Moreover, the USA did not help Israel, France and England, perhaps. And all the weapons of the Arab countries were Soviet (how many captured T55 tanks were in the Israeli army later. Syria 1982 ALL air defense (Soviet) was destroyed in Bekaa, as well as almost all Syrian aviation.
        1. +3
          25 June 2025 18: 58
          war loan of the day
          laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing Are you, by any chance, a bank employee?
        2. -4
          26 June 2025 08: 21
          You think quickly, I look at the situation strategically.
          By Israel and other names:
          Around 722 BCE, the Assyrians destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel.
          In 568 BCE, the Babylonians captured Jerusalem and demolished the First Temple, which they replaced with the Second Temple around 516 BCE.
          Throughout its history, Israel has been conquered and ruled by various peoples: Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians, Mamluks and others.
          The Khaganate of Khazaria also fell under the blows of the Slavs.
          The problem with the Jews is their inability to negotiate and their uncompromising nature; they try to subjugate other peoples, mainly through bribery.
  13. -2
    25 June 2025 09: 35
    A few remarks:
    The goal of the Israeli attack was not to eliminate Iran's military nuclear program, but to remove the regime and replace it with a puppet one, as it was intended to provoke the United States into a full-fledged military operation.
    The organization of Israeli aggression is beyond praise, no one has done anything like this - to destroy almost 95% of the enemy's air defense and ensure full air superiority, and here they are, as always, ahead of everyone, this experience should be studied in the same way as they study the experience of the Air Defense Forces
  14. -3
    25 June 2025 10: 33
    By the way, neither Russia nor Ukraine launched drones and missiles of more than a hundred at a time. Crimea was generally shelled with 5-10 missiles at a time.
  15. -2
    25 June 2025 12: 47
    The author's conclusions contain a number of assumptions, which he interprets in favor of Israel:
    1. Iran uses only ballistics and UAVs, and Israel uses all its miracle troops)))
    Even without delving deeply into the topic, and knowing the location of Israel and its relations with the bordering countries, one can conclude: the attacks are carried out by both Iranian proxies and Israel's opponents - Hezbollah, Hamas, and Yemen has not stopped throwing slaps))) Also in Israel, where there is a full Arab population, there are Iranian agents who are engaged in reconnaissance, the elimination of high-ranking Israeli military personnel and the guidance of missiles and UAVs. The reason why the IRI does not use aviation is that it is surrounded by US bases, which will undoubtedly attack it.
    2. Iran has no allies))) Direct allies are described above, but there are also those who supply weapons on the sly - the DPRK, Pakistan, China. And all this is known, the author just needs to study the issue.
    3. The IRI does not have ballistics that can hit moving objects))) I would like to hear the author's answer, what ballistic missiles do the Houthis use to hit NATO tankers and ships?
    4. High-class intelligence of Israel)))) Byword))) What could they do? Kill civilian scientists, that's all they've accomplished. Missile bases and arsenals, not identified, air defense and aviation locations not identified, army command and control not identified.
    5. The planes were deployed to the bases of allies, including Turkey)))) Not a single Arab country will deploy Israeli planes on its territory. And the reason is simple, for Israel, planes are the main striking force - no one will allow Israeli planes to take off from its territory to attack the IRI. This would be followed by an Iranian strike on these bases, which we saw during the US attack.
    6. About the evacuation of personnel of military centers and military laboratories, it is possible, but there are losses during attacks on these objects - this is visible from the video from the sites. In this case, Israel's statements should not be trusted, since they have censorship on military losses. The most accurate information is obituaries, while what Israel calls civilian losses could well have worked in a military biolab. At the same time, decision-making places with personnel were also affected, see point 1.
    7. The conclusion about the accuracy of Iranian missiles is not clear. The author himself correctly assumes that some of the missiles and their components that fell on civilian objects are the effect of the missile defense system. Also, most of Israel's military facilities, including the missile defense system, are located directly in cities. Therefore, when these objects are destroyed, civilians are also partially affected. Although if we recall the genocide of Israel against Gaza, then Iranian hits on civilians are super-accurate.
    8. The most delicious Israeli missile defense system, which the author, without having any facts, rated so highly. Let's figure it out, when attacking Israel, Iranian missiles and UAVs fly quite a long distance over other countries. It is no secret that NATO countries, which have many times superior missile defense capabilities, provide assistance in shooting down missiles and UAVs, and it is they who shoot down most UAVs. And what we see is that most missiles and UAVs reach Israel and, according to the video, 60-70 percent hit their targets (judging by the video). The conclusion of the Israeli missile defense system is very conditional and no matter how much you say, sugar does not become sweeter. Israel, knowing its Achilles' spot, focused on the first attack, where it hoped to destroy Iran's missile potential, but intelligence and analysts failed.
    9. Regarding the reduction of strikes on Israel, one can agree with the thesis on the exhaustion of the Israeli and NATO missile defense. In this regard, the defeat of newly identified Iranian targets (considering that dozens, if not hundreds, have already been destroyed) requires fewer missiles. The rest are far-fetched, the destruction of arsenals has not been allowed, and there are always several exits from them. And the Iranian air defense is in operation, otherwise the US and Israel would not have used so many stealth and support aircraft.
    10. After the announcement of the losses of Israel and Iran, one can draw conclusions: NATO's participation shows that Israel tried to swallow something that it would not be able to do.
    11. Well, to the fan, the DPRK or Pakistan could very well have transferred a couple of warheads. And an Israeli strike could very painfully echo in the desert in 40 years))))
    1. +2
      25 June 2025 14: 14
      Quote: Synoid
      The author's conclusions contain a number of assumptions, which he interprets in favor of Israel:
      1. Iran uses only ballistics and UAVs, and Israel uses all its miracle troops)))
      Even without delving deeply into the topic, and knowing the location of Israel and its relations with the bordering countries, one can conclude: the attacks are carried out by both Iranian proxies and Israel's opponents - Hezbollah, Hamas, and Yemen has not stopped throwing slaps))) Also in Israel, where there is a full Arab population, there are Iranian agents who are engaged in intelligence, liquidation of high-ranking Israeli military personnel

      Can you give more details on how many high-ranking military officers Iran eliminated? We know how many Israel eliminated.
      1. -3
        26 June 2025 08: 12
        You know what? Israel's fabrication))) And it is in Iran's interests to confirm the death in order to protect the scientists;) Read the obituaries, everything is listed there.
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  16. -3
    25 June 2025 14: 17
    Based on the progress and results of this conflict, the Russian Aerospace Forces clearly need to understand why they cannot come close to the results of the Israeli Air Force.
    1. -3
      26 June 2025 08: 24
      Because we are not Nazis and carpet bombing of civilians, like in Gaza, is not our thing?
      Israel will fall as always, it's a matter of time)))
  17. +5
    25 June 2025 14: 20
    Israel has been heavily censoring information about Iranian missile incursions lately, but even the footage that leaks online shows multiple Iranian missile strikes on Israeli cities. It is unlikely that Iran really has the goal of destroying skyscrapers and residential buildings – this is not a matter of humanitarianism, but of the lack of military expediency of such strikes.

    I would like to immediately draw the author's attention to the fact that Israel, from the very start, waged a VERY high-quality information war and gave out to the other side exactly the information and "picture" that mostly formed a certain opinion in the international community. They had a very good military censorship and at the same time a well-thought-out information policy - and, probably, the "picture" of such low-precision Iranian missiles razing civilian homes to the ground and flying anywhere but into something needed - is being formed intentionally, with the goal of downplaying their real damage and the fiasco of the much-praised missile defense, adding ketchup and also turning Iranian missile power into a "paper tiger".
    What I mean is that it is worth taking into account the factor of the information war in assessing this case.
    Also of no small importance is the high density of Israeli facilities - damage to civilians would have been inevitable in any scenario.

    As for "could Iran have won with missiles and UAVs" - there are a number of factors that give a very skeptical picture. Firstly, Israel has a pretty good civil defense system and, due to the almost universal military service, a relatively high situational readiness of the population. If pinpoint launches of UAVs can be overlooked, then a massive launch of the INF Treaty cannot. Simply because the US has developed systems, the same space echelon of the SPRN, which will definitely detect this event and, through already developed channels, will drop information to Israel. Because this is a developed region, a developed event as a whole. Then the missiles fly 1.5 thousand km - this time is more than enough to evacuate key figures to holes and issue messages to civilians about the same evacuation.
    It is necessary to understand that Israel has thoroughly focused on the missile-UAV threat. Of course, these were "other missiles", but the algorithm of actions and infrastructure is the same - it prevents a truly effective and sudden strike by ballistics. If it is not hypersonic and if it is not a nuclear weapon.
    Thus, I postulate a very simple idea - suddenly removing the leadership in this way will not work there, IMHO. Hypothetically - only in the case of really powerful hypersonic missiles with a sharp start and throwing several massive kinetic parts of Mach 10. These are thick, expensive and noticeable missiles. Ideally, prepare salvo areas immediately underground and in the calculations proceed from the need to remove some part of the leadership and a significant part of the missile defense in one salvo, in order to then work with more budget missiles.
    As we can see, Iran worked exactly the opposite, although, considering that it played with “black”, there was not much difference.
    Secondly, Israel is only the fruiting body of the mushroom, so to speak. The mycelium is much more extensive and for it, damage to the Israeli economy may not be such a problem. The collapse of industry in Israel can (and will) be compensated for by the US and European governments - inaccessible to Iran in a real war. The degree of integration between Israel and America is very high - it is not some kind of ally but a natural bone of the regional architecture of the USA. America would not allow Israel to be destroyed in a real war and not some hypothetical general apocalypse.
    In a hypothetical conflict, Iran should be prepared to at least stop any possible escalatory steps by the US over a fairly long period of time - both in the military and in the diplomatic-propaganda layer.
    This means that Iran must have effective means of massive impact on AUGs - and this means that it must have both huge reserves of expensive missiles and high-class reconnaissance and target designation. In all this, Iran's favorite "slippers" will be of little help - here it needs high-tech and at least a regional satellite group capable of issuing target designations.
    I believe that American military bases are an overrated fetish in this case and Iran should shift its focus from them (in case of a conflict) to the possibility of promptly revealing the enemy's movements and plans and organizing strikes on its surface forces and countering air and missile attacks. With bases without nuclear weapons (and, accordingly, within the framework of a REAL conflict) it will still not be able to do anything serious.
    Thirdly, Iran should already in the medium term move away from verbal escalation with Israel and, in principle, preferably, from its tonic nibbles through the remnants of its proxies. This is absolutely ineffective and on the informational and diplomatic level works against Iran.
    Business loves silence, so to speak.

    In general, I would say this - Iran would have the ability to inflict very serious damage on Israel, but the possibilities of restoring these states are incomparable. Without taking into account the possibility of actually cutting off US intervention up to a high price threshold inclusive (the risk of losing several AUGs and a shitload of new planes beautifully and on camera) - this would be fatal for the Iranian state and, therefore, useless. There will NOT be a complete disorganization of Israel even in the event of the destruction of its top due to the high readiness of the population (the military and/or part of the external mycelium will intercept power), the destruction of its economy will give nothing. Without the external readiness of the Arabs along the perimeter of at least part of Israel, forcing capitulation with some real concessions (for example, seized territories) is also impossible, and such readiness is at an absolute minimum over the past 70 years.
    Iran could not win this conflict - its "maxim" was not to lose it, but ideally it is critically necessary for it to close this issue altogether. Israel should not be its problem IMHO.
  18. -1
    25 June 2025 15: 19
    Iran vs. Israel: Can You Win Using Just 'Ballistics' and 'Shaheds'?

    It is possible to achieve an unconditional ceasefire against Israel and the US. Iran did it without external help and that is a fact. Iran is only against Israel - I think it has become obvious to everyone what will happen.
    Whether this is a victory or not, everyone is responsible for themselves.
    What's more important is why it turned out this way:
    1. Israel used very expensive means of defense and attack - missile defense missiles and guided missile bombs with a range of 100-400 km. For this reason, their stock is small and they quickly ran out by 12 days. At the same time, the carriers of the missile bombs are also very expensive aircraft and UAVs.
    2. Iran's air defense was not completely suppressed. They successfully shot down UAVs and missile bombs until the last day. This prevented Israel from using advanced aviation and cheap conventional bombs.
    3. Israel's missile defense/air defense was practically suppressed by the end of the conflict as a result of the strikes and the depletion of its ammunition.
    4. The accuracy of the Iranian strikes was very high, not only ballistic missiles, but also drones. The number and degree of destruction of the attacked objects is unprecedented in the history of Israel.
    5. Israel's most effective weapon was the Mossad agent. In 12 days, Iran arrested 700 Mossad agents and captured 10 FPV drones in Tehran alone. But this weapon was exhausted in the first days. By the way, the actions of Mossad agents fully meet the definition of "war crime" under international conventions. I do not use the term "terrorism" because there is no international definition of this term.
  19. 0
    25 June 2025 18: 27
    If the power grid and water supply are destroyed, a local apocalypse will begin in Israel!
  20. 0
    25 June 2025 20: 34
    Winning with ballistics and martyrs alone is very unlikely. Although some will certainly reach the target. Especially if the time of strike and targets are communicated to the US in advance through third countries.
    But winning by disabling the enemy's air defense and gaining clear air superiority with the help of the F35 stealth fighters, I think, is more likely. Especially if your partner has brought in about 30 KC135 tankers to support your operation.
  21. 0
    25 June 2025 20: 37
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Iran vs. Israel: Can You Win Using Just 'Ballistics' and 'Shaheds'?

    It is possible to achieve an unconditional ceasefire against Israel and the US. Iran did it without external help and that is a fact. Iran is only against Israel - I think it has become obvious to everyone what will happen.
    Whether this is a victory or not, everyone is responsible for themselves.
    What's more important is why it turned out this way:
    1. Israel used very expensive means of defense and attack - missile defense missiles and guided missile bombs with a range of 100-400 km. For this reason, their stock is small and they quickly ran out by 12 days. At the same time, the carriers of the missile bombs are also very expensive aircraft and UAVs.
    2. Iran's air defense was not completely suppressed. They successfully shot down UAVs and missile bombs until the last day. This prevented Israel from using advanced aviation and cheap conventional bombs.
    3. Israel's missile defense/air defense was practically suppressed by the end of the conflict as a result of the strikes and the depletion of its ammunition.
    4. The accuracy of the Iranian strikes was very high, not only ballistic missiles, but also drones. The number and degree of destruction of the attacked objects is unprecedented in the history of Israel.
    5. Israel's most effective weapon was the Mossad agent. In 12 days, Iran arrested 700 Mossad agents and captured 10 FPV drones in Tehran alone. But this weapon was exhausted in the first days. By the way, the actions of Mossad agents fully meet the definition of "war crime" under international conventions. I do not use the term "terrorism" because there is no international definition of this term.

    Several of these same "Mossad agents" were recently released by Lukashenko.
  22. 0
    25 June 2025 20: 40
    As soon as Iran stops screaming from the TV about the need to destroy Israel, they will be able to immediately finish the process of creating nuclear weapons. They simply do not need to let any comrades like Ahmadinejad near the microphone. And the zeroed-out Benya will immediately calm down.
  23. -3
    26 June 2025 10: 19
    Quote from Kartograph
    Can you give more details on how many high-ranking military officers Iran eliminated? We know how many Israel eliminated.

    High-ranking military houses will be eliminated, a waste of ammunition.
    And the list of Iranian hits on targets in Israel is simply astounding. It has already been published, and the fact that Israel has closed and classified everything about these objects for the media is the best proof of Iranian success. There are also statistics - out of 500 missiles launched by Iran, only 30 hit the intended targets directly.
  24. -2
    26 June 2025 10: 30
    One Jewish woman told the following: I have 2 children, my business has been closed for 10 days, no work, no salary. I pay $1800 a month for an apartment (rent plus all other expenses) and the owners don't care about the war, a day's delay, get out on the street. If a rocket hits a building, there is no compensation, if there is, then only to the owners of the houses, and most Jews are tenants of apartments.
    This is what will crush Israel, and Iran will only continue the situation of the collapse of the Israeli economy.
  25. +1
    26 June 2025 13: 03
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    As for “could Iran have won with missiles and UAVs” - there are a number of factors that give a very skeptical picture.


    Nonsense. If the conflict were really conducted in a one-on-one mode, exclusively by Israel and Iran, Iran could easily crush Israel and rocket attacks would be enough. Another thing is that Israel has always, under any circumstances, received and will continue to receive assistance from outside, of course, from the USA.
  26. 0
    1 July 2025 00: 17
    Türkiye won't let Jewish planes in. Relations are not right... Turks can't stand Jews.
  27. -1
    11 July 2025 10: 01
    Regarding Israel, I think no one has any doubts, and as for Iran, their statements about the lack of intentions to make nuclear weapons are unconvincing - Iran clearly wants to get into the "nuclear club", and it cannot be ruled out that it already has experimental models of nuclear weapons.


    In this case, it is impossible to agree with the author. These are elementary things - Iran has not made a political decision to develop nuclear weapons and adopt them into service. There is also an open fatwa from Khamenei on this topic.

    Any other statements are based either on lies and bias, or on a complete misunderstanding of the processes. Netanyahu has been saying for 20 years that Iran will have nuclear weapons in 5 minutes. This is a lie that is beneficial only to Netanyahu personally, who has been wanted to be imprisoned for many years, and apparently for good reason. Although it is necessary to emphasize the basis of the psychology of Israel - they are incapable of rational thinking on the topic of potential threats, in these matters both Israelis in the narrow sense and Jews in general become psychopaths, and Iran constantly threatens Israel in its rhetoric. Naturally, without nuclear weapons, these are Netanyahu's fantasies, nothing more.

    But now the situation may change dramatically - consolidation around power has taken place within Iran, although the risks of internal conflicts and separatism remain. However, the regional factor is already interfering here - and Israel is only a detonator in it, which does not decide anything. Neither China and Pakistan will allow Iran to fall due to economic reasons and confrontation with India, nor Saudi Arabia, nor Russia, which does not need tens of millions of refugees.

    I think it is a matter of time before large military blocs begin to clearly form. And the economic ones associated with them. I believe that there is a high potential for the formation of bilateral military alliances between Russia and Iran and the DPRK, and there is also potential for expanding Iran's partnership with the EAEU.
  28. 0
    14 September 2025 17: 24
    Israel can only be defeated by infantry, but the Arabs are disunited cowards and cannot come to an agreement - their wallet is closer to the body! The Russians even make their way through pipes into the enemy's rear, and these are afraid to even try!
  29. DO
    0
    24 September 2025 20: 07
    Iran vs. Israel: Can They Win?

    If Israel continues its hyper-aggressive course, relying solely on force and nothing else, we'll likely see another round of conflict in about a year. Naturally, both sides will be preparing for it.
    Who will win?
    The ratio of the size of territories, population and economic resources of Iran and Israel is far from in Israel's favor.
    Israel is aggressive not only toward Iran but also toward its other neighbors. Therefore, if Iran reaches successful agreements with potential allies in the region, US support for Israel could be fully offset by regional forces hostile to Israel. After all, even the Houthis, in their slippers and with their less-than-modern missiles, are quite successful in harassing Western navies.
  30. -1
    16 October 2025 13: 17
    The child killers lost. The Americans were helping them from day one. They intercepted a bunch of Iranian missiles, and finally got in and scared Iran. And the cardboard dome is completely torn. The author is a Jew, trying to somehow justify Jewish Nazism and a shameful defeat. Who attacked without declaring war? Shake. Iran now has every right to attack the child killers. Jewish Nazis. Call them to account for thousands of deaths.