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Kaczynski was killed by the Americans themselves

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Russian security services have figured out how the Polish president Lech Kaczynski was actually killed. The crash at Smolensk 10 on April 2010 of the Tu-154 aircraft with the Polish government delegation was due to the malicious reorientation of the American-made satellite navigation system installed on board the aircraft. GPS gave false geographical coordinates and implausible data about the distance to the landing site. Because of what the pilot in bad weather conditions did not have time to react and pull the plane from the peak.


The plane with the Polish delegation on board was shot down by a CIA satellite

When examining the crash site, the specialists were most surprised by why the pilot had taken the plane off the glide path. After all, the liner unexpectedly for the crew was in 500 meters from the runway and five meters from the ground instead of 60! According to experts, the Americans locally changed the “ground level” in the presidential plane’s GPS system.

No one except the US intelligence services can produce local displacements of the GPS coordinate grid.

This feature is designed for use during the conduct of hostilities. For example, while repelling Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia in 2008, Russian gunners faced the problem of a shift in civilian GPS signal. The Americans shifted the coordinate field to 300 meters in this zone, deliberately distorting the civil channel. As a result, Russian fire spotters could not use civilian GPS devices. The assumptions were confirmed when the staff "Hummers" with hard drives with backup software for managing GPS on board were captured from the Georgian side.

Kaczynski was killed by the Americans themselvesKaczynski was a faithful ally of the White House in all things related to military cooperation against Russia. But at the same time, he 18 once imposed a presidential veto on the laws of the Sejm and the proposals of the government to liberalize the economy of Poland.

An ardent nationalist, Kaczynski blocked foreign capital from buying up enterprises and banks in Poland, and prevented businesses from taking out capital from the country. The pinnacle of his economic conflict with Washington was the veto of the liberals' pension reform. According to it, hundreds of millions of dollars were to be spent on the purchase of US government bonds and sent to custody in US banks. And in the end they got the Polish old men.

The classic Pindos version of punishing the leaders of such countries is a temporary collapse of their economies. But how can you bring down the economy of the “main country of the sanitary cordon”? Kaczynski was a stubborn supporter of the sovereign economy of Poland. And for this he paid with his life.

The catastrophe near Smolensk, the Yankees intended to finish off two birds with one stone: to remove stubborn Lech from their path and drive another wedge into Russian-Polish relations.

By the way

Recently, former Polish Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Lepper was killed by US intelligence agencies. The deceased headed the “Self-defense” party, the only pro-Russian party in the Polish parliament. Just like Kaczynski, he did everything to protect the economic independence of Poland. Lepper was an ardent supporter of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.
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  1. Garrin
    Garrin April 12 2013 06: 40
    40
    This is who the "Evil Empire" really is. Although I have no claim for Kaczynski.
    Greetings to all. hi
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 12 2013 06: 56
      +4
      Have a nice one you too laughing hi
      1. Dmitry T
        Dmitry T April 12 2013 07: 35
        42
        There is only one way out - GLONASS.
        1. Quiet
          Quiet April 12 2013 19: 51
          0
          There is only one way out - GLONASS.

          Then he did not work ... hi ... Now the navigators are still dead (even in Moscow they get confused in the streets and Yandex traffic jams) .... Nafig to buy such am
          1. Good Ukraine
            Good Ukraine April 13 2013 00: 05
            +2
            hi
            Quote: Quiet
            There is only one way out - GLONASS. Then it still did not work ... ... Now the navigators are still dead (even in Moscow they get confused in the streets and Yandex traffic jams) .... Nafig to buy such


            Navigation systems, although they use the same satellites for aircraft and civilian use, their accuracy is different. Moreover, the accuracy may differ by an order of magnitude. For civil purposes, a regular signal channel is used, and for the aircraft, a coded one is added. By the way, this is exactly what (the civilian channel) the United States could use for the accident. As the author writes "The classic version of punishing the leaders of such countries"
            1. Good Ukraine
              Good Ukraine April 13 2013 00: 10
              0
              I can not understand. Why in my comment do the site owners delete the quote from the author of the article, which I inserted without change ???
              Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
              "The classic version of punishing the leaders of such countries"
        2. luka095
          luka095 April 18 2013 19: 07
          +1
          Grouping is only brought to mind, as are programs ...
    2. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 12 2013 07: 42
      +4
      FUCKING THE FULL "MOON" was led. Complete misinformation.
    3. Orik
      Orik April 12 2013 08: 24
      12 th
      Plus, of course, but Kaczynski should be respected for protecting his national interests. Vova stores our loot in p. Indos bonds.
      1. A. Yaga
        A. Yaga April 12 2013 12: 00
        12
        Now it will be clear to everyone what GLONASS is for
        1. APASUS
          APASUS April 12 2013 22: 30
          +1
          Quote: A. Yaga
          Now it will be clear to everyone what GLONASS is for

          So it’s been clear to everyone for a long time !! This is not just a business, but also its own security !!
          On this own systems build:
          Europe - GALILEO and Mexico, Argentina, Malaysia, Australia and Japan joined it.
          India-IRNSS
          China Beidou
      2. smile
        smile April 12 2013 16: 50
        10
        Orik
        In the same way, you have the right to respect Hitler for protecting your national interests ... Kaczynski’s attitude to the Russians was even better - almost all non-Germans were inhuman, and the violent twins were exclusively Russian ... believe me, I know what I'm talking about .. .if you would read or listen (it would be preferable) that this ... spoke about us, your ears would be rolled up ..

        As for the economic ditch. into which the Kaczynski brothers have trampled Poland - and so, there has been no worse economic policy in Poland since 1938 ... any Pole, even their ardent supporter and nationalist, will briefly answer the question about their economic results -That is shit !!!!
        Even the dynamics of our economy did not dream of the Poles and their pink dreams ...
        1. Orik
          Orik April 12 2013 20: 28
          0
          I also don’t like Kachinsky, but if the article is true, then he defended his country and the interests of people. Before you demonstrate your cheers-patriotism, work with numbers!
          Population, from 2003 to 2012: Russia -1,25%, Poland -0,52%. Economic growth: Russia 2003-2007 + 6-8,5% per year, 2009 -7,8%, 2010-2011 + 4%, Poland + 3,6-6,8%, + 1,6%, +3,6 , 2011%. GDP per capita in 13: Russia 191 13 dollars., Poland 854 5 dollars. That is XNUMX% more.
          http://www.ereport.ru/stat.php?razdel=country&count=polska
          http://www.ereport.ru/stat.php?razdel=country&count=russia
      3. Masterzserg
        Masterzserg April 17 2013 05: 14
        +1
        Quote: Orik
        Vova stores our loot in p. Indos bonds.
        - There are many smart people who know where and how use money. Study this topic before peremptory nonsense to write. You need to at least a little understanding of the economy, to judge such things, and not repeat for provocateurs.
    4. aksakal
      aksakal April 12 2013 10: 11
      10
      Quote: Garrin

      Garrin


      Today, 06: 40




      That's who the "Evil Empire" really is. Although I have no claim for Kaczynski. welcome all

      - the most important thing - the Poles will know about it and already know it, but they will be silent, stubbornly silent, and even continue to accuse Russia of Kachinsky’s death, and stubbornly turn a blind eye to this, keep silent, and if you persistently open your eyes, grumble, like speculation , nothing more, all the same, the Russians staged this plane crash. Russophobia is so strong in them that for the sake of satisfying this desire they are ready to humbly swallow a dozen of such tricks from the amers, and even the genocide of Poles from the amers! laughing
      Article plus, the riddle was solved. And let the Psheks think whatever they want, only from now on will they again accuse the Russians of this catastrophe in reacting extremely sharply and don’t give any territory in Smolensk to the Poles! Amer arranged - let the amers give their territory! What does Russia have to do with it? They will get rid of Russophobia - you can discuss the place of the memorial, but no - no and no court!
      1. evgenm55
        evgenm55 April 12 2013 10: 35
        +2
        I doubt that it was resolved - the article was not signed by anyone, it was not substantiated by anything and was not covered in other media and media sources. But if this is true: 1) a lesson to our "friends" for the future; 2) the Americans have done a good deed at least once.
        1. taseka
          taseka April 13 2013 05: 25
          0
          I agree!
          "Recently, the American special services killed former Polish Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Lepper." - it also confused! Smells like 007, too stupid!
      2. aksakal
        aksakal April 12 2013 10: 52
        18
        Quote: aksakal
        Article plus, the riddle was solved
        - I hasten to add that in the light of this version, it would be nice to take a fresh look at the famous Sukhoi Superjet crash in Mazaysia. Let me remind you that there an experienced pilot ignored the signals from the proximity sensor. Why? Maybe the sensor signals "did not hit" with the GPS readings, which gave the pilot reason to doubt this sensor, like, bastard, it turned off ... By the way, GPS readings are recorded in black boxes, especially in the last moments? A question for the VAF, but he will not answer me - the grievances of the past, although I somehow tried not to offend, constructive criticism, nothing more ... I will also remind you that one superjet box was never found. The heavy-duty and super-protected object could not evaporate just like that, but there they searched everything and did not find it. And let me remind you that one of the generals from the aviation voiced the version of the American sabotage, but decided to blame the nearby American base in Malaysia. That this could have been done much easier and without involving the personnel of that base, speaks of the level of knowledge of that general of his subject, which is FIRMING! GENERALS NEED TO BE CHANGED! Alas ... If they did not know that it is possible to distort the GPS, but at the same time use this very GPS for guiding missiles, then this is in no way! How can you use what you don't fully understand, to the last screw?
        Finally - I’ll still amuse VAF ...The peak of his economic conflict with Washington was a veto on the pension reform of the liberals. According to it, hundreds of millions of dollars should have been spent on the purchase of US government bonds and sent for storage to American banks. As a result, the Polish old people got it. - Kachinsky can be hated, but not respected for this is impossible! For comparison, the surplus of oil revenues was formed under the first Putin and with his consent was sent to America, which he refused to do Kachinsky (after all, Kaczynski (!), With a capital letter). There is something to think about! Putin's cowardice? Tactical move? If a tactical move, then why did it drag on so long? And still stretches? The people have long let them know - he doesn’t want to feed any amers, with what fright Putin ignores what the people let him know? Does he have a right to this?
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe April 12 2013 15: 23
          +4
          [quote = aksakal]! GENERALS NEED TO BE CHANGED! Alas ... If they did not know that it is possible to distort the GPS, but at the same time use this very GPS to guide missiles, then this is in no way! How can you use the fact that you don't fully understand, until the last screw? that they spend most of their time on sawing, kickbacks and efforts to preserve their ass place near the trough, and not on general intellectual and especially highly specialized development in the field of their main activity.
        2. yak69
          yak69 April 12 2013 18: 36
          +8
          Quote: aksakal
          surplus oil revenues formed under the first Putin and with his consent sent to America,

          This, respected, is not a tactical move and not PU cowardice, this is one of the conditions of a big game. Amers raise oil prices, and surplus "greenery" all countries must invest in various amerovskie funds and bonds or make large purchases of their goods (Kudrin was "watching" these babos). Eeyore is not a supporter of PU, but I can say that under any pretexts he really took these surpluses from the West. Now the terms of the agreements have passed and some of them were simply not fulfilled by the amers, so the PU (with the paws of a bear) removed Kudrin. I don’t know if they let him pick up the balances and whether the loans of their collapsed mortgage companies were converted into liquid assets, but, in many respects, the conflict occurred precisely because of these babos. Amer threw a PU, he told them "go to the stump!".

          By the way, Zia Ul-Haq (President of Pakistan) also died. His plane lost control on take-off, near the Amer’s base.
        3. CTEPX
          CTEPX April 13 2013 05: 38
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          Mazasia Sukhoi Superjet plane crash


          In pursuit: the death of the "Russian Knights" in December 1995, ibid., A series of unsuccessful launches of military (primarily "Glonass") satellites and "Phobos" ...
      3. Srebrn
        Srebrn April 13 2013 01: 36
        +2
        "Well done", you will not say anything. Fucked up the same amerskoy propaganda (who controls the Russian media ???) Only they tell you what, never in the life of ordinary Poles who have not seen and never been to Poland?
        Why the anti-missile defense rallies are not shown. Angry cartoons of "kachurov" in the center of Warsaw in an opposition magazine (the cover of the poster is hung right at the bus stops), the American Statue of Liberty with a bomb in hand instead of a torch and JJ. Bush with crossed bones from below .... A fig on the Euroflag, a call for clergy to leave the EU, and so on. And how many people there already go to Russian courses, even pro-Russian beer advertising. Even the children at school .... What am I explaining. Correctly the author of the article said "to drive a wedge into Russian-Polish relations", for people like you, who are led to propaganda, and those who do not want to know the truth, need an image of the enemy. Moreover, many Russians are already Germans and French, and the same Americans are much closer and dearer than other Slavs.
      4. Srebrn
        Srebrn April 13 2013 01: 48
        +2
        Plus, the main government, headed by Tusk, completely loyal to Russia, recognized the results of the Russian examination, and the second "Kachur" simply played on the death of his brother. Their rating was below the baseboard in 2010! They would lose 100% with their nationalism, so the death of the twin actually played into the hands of the second politically. Now he screams "we want the truth about Smolensk and Tusk, he sold out to the Russians! I saw this pitiful handful of demonstrators in front of the presidential palace, a pitiful sight! And everyone passes by.
        This is for you, a lover of all sorts of guards infa first-hand, and not false media.
    5. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 12 2013 10: 33
      +4
      It’s very true to believe in such an option, from the United States all sorts of nastiness can be expected ...
      1. SANAY
        SANAY April 12 2013 10: 47
        +2
        It is believed, of course. Just very cynical, if true.
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe April 12 2013 15: 31
          +4
          Quote: SANAY
          Just very cynical, if true.

          Well, of course, After all, the Americans have always been so distinguished by moral ethical and moral principles in the elimination of objectionable presidents, even their own. wink
    6. lelikas
      lelikas April 12 2013 11: 11
      +3
      Let them fly again - we have enough forests for everyone.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 April 12 2013 11: 58
        +2
        Let them fly again - we have enough forests for everyone.

        And if we don’t have enough more to plant, the trees are not redundant.
    7. Atlon
      Atlon April 12 2013 11: 13
      16
      As a result, Russian fire spotters could not use civilian GPS devices.

      It's a shame ... And the fact that they use GPS (did the auto-navigators buy for their own money?), And the fact that without GPS "in 2008 the Russian artillerymen faced the problem of shift". And what, without GPS in any way? Ballistics is no longer taught in schools? How did our grandfathers manage without navigators? In general - SHAME!
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts April 12 2013 13: 24
        13
        It hit me too. GPS is a good thing, but to a certain extent. Or educational reform, incl. and military, has already reached the point that the ballistic trajectory changes depending on the data of the ZhPS? Or accustomed to a free delivery of tests and do not need to bathe, just use it? And the exhortations that this is someone else's nav.sistemv and it can close or distort, it passed ears? ZhPS, Glonass and other Pribluda is good. But you should not forget the basics of working with a card. A calculator is a good thing, an Excel is even nicer, but you need to be able to consider it as a column, just like sharing.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon April 12 2013 13: 51
          12
          Quote: ImPerts
          But you should not forget the basics of working with a card. The calculator is a good thing, the excel is even nicer, but you should be able to consider it as a column, as well as divide

          The vaunted American army will instantly be disorganized if all the gadgets fail. And to do this is not difficult. I would not want our army to press heavily on electronics, and especially on the western one. You must be able to fight with your hands! And not with the mouse and joystick ...
          1. sashka
            sashka April 13 2013 20: 33
            -1
            Well, let’s throw our hats. Beautiful, spectacular. Passed, we know.
            Quote: Atlon
            The vaunted American army will instantly be disorganized if all the gadgets fail
      2. Skavron
        Skavron April 12 2013 14: 31
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        And what, without GPS in any way? Ballistics is no longer taught in schools? How did our grandfathers manage without navigators?

        Beat me with that phrase
        1. jjj
          jjj April 12 2013 23: 07
          0
          Well, we teach military topographers and geodesists at the Mozhaisky Academy. They can become attached even without companions. Calculations, for example, S-300 are tied to benchmarks. And after starts they always make a "miss is normal"
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man April 13 2013 00: 37
            +1
            Quote: jjj
            Well, we teach military topographers and geodesists at the Mozhaisky Academy. They can become attached even without companions. Calculations, for example, S-300 are tied to benchmarks. And after starts they always make a "miss is normal"


            Military topographers and surveyors are trained at the Topographic School, it really is opposite the academy but has nothing to do with it.
            In Mozhaik there is a 4th (aerodrome construction) faculty in which, among other disciplines, they also teach geodesy, but specialists from this faculty are sent exclusively to the Strategic Missile Forces and Space Forces

            As for 8.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX, it is possible that GPS was used for reconnaissance target designation, but certainly not for preparing data for firing
    8. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz April 12 2013 16: 44
      -2
      Couple pa to the whole world began to hand over piles of druganov as before Vayna ....?
    9. Quiet
      Quiet April 12 2013 19: 47
      +2
      This is who the "Evil Empire" really is.

      The death of the Titanic was also not "Just like that !!". All opponents of the Roksheld plan and others of their ilk were gathered on it and safely drowned in spite of the sacrifices ...
    10. cdrt
      cdrt April 12 2013 22: 44
      -3
      You can safely write as a source from which the author learned this secret - VOICES in his head. Spring, many have a time of "experiences" wink
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 13 2013 00: 18
        0
        What tries Glonass and GPS on the record in the box could clearly hear their Air Force commander in the drunken umat, who ordered the pilots to put the carcass to the north, they say it is necessary to drive cars from Poland or call from the embassy in Minsk from Vitebsk, and everything was ready in Smolensk. In addition to the airfield, which Luzhok wanted to turn into a customs terminal with customs (and there were 25 MiGs there before) to turn (from Russia to Europe, from Europe to Russia), by the way, he and his wife were trying to close Smolenskaya VA in the air defense of the NE of the Russian Federation, he wanted to give let Muscovites ...
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 14 2013 18: 20
          +5
          Quote: PSih2097
          What nah Glonass and GPS on the record in the box was clearly heard by their Air Force commander in the drunken umat, who ordered the pilots to plant the carcass in the north,

          It does not interfere.
          I suspect that the pilots on the approach to Smolensk could have noticed a "discrepancy" between the true position of the liner and the fact that the electronic map was "drawing" it.
          But then the question arises.
          The discrepancy in GPS coordinates and the true position of the liner can be achieved in three ways:
          1. To amend the on-board GPS system in advance (before departure, for example).
          2. By changing the signal data coming from GPS satellites in range.
          In this case, orientation problems will be experienced by ALL GPS navigation receivers in the area.
          3. Launch a "virus" into the aircraft's onboard navsystem computer. And then, only a matter of time and desire - to activate this "virus" or "bookmark" at the right time.
          If professionals were involved in the business, there would be no end.

          PS Shooting from gun mounts in mountainous conditions is not sugar - targets are not visible and not audible. Putting benchmarks is a pointless exercise, you won't have time. And if our "gunners" in their tablets are tied to a place via GPS, then what the hell is this army?
          soldier
    11. timurpl
      timurpl April 15 2013 11: 16
      0
      I read the article and didn’t let a tear go ... it turns out what a (!) Good person they lost and almost a friend of Russia! Burn him in hell !!!
  2. Belogor
    Belogor April 12 2013 06: 40
    -1
    Somehow unconvincing, about the level of a yellow newspaper.
    1. Fox
      Fox April 12 2013 06: 54
      30
      Quote: Belogor
      Somehow unconvincing

      I do not know, but I encountered a "shift" of the GPS network. Therefore, the version takes place.
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 April 12 2013 07: 13
        20 th
        Quote: Fox
        ... I've encountered a "shift" in the GPS network ...

        If this were so, then there would be far more accidents on the airlines.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky April 12 2013 07: 42
          17
          Quote: AK-47
          If this were so, then there would be far more accidents on the airlines.

          Professor Todd Humphries of the University of Texas at Austin has successfully demonstrated a new way to combat unmanned aerial vehicles, or rather, intercepting control of them. The GPS receiver turned out to be the weakest point of drones - Humphries managed to learn how to fake the signal of geolocation satellites. In the test, equipment installed on one “flyer” was able to take control of another.
          This method is the development of the idea of ​​jamming the GPS signal, but if anyone can buy a jammer via the Internet for about a thousand dollars, then faking the signal is a much more interesting achievement.
          However, if jamming helps against any device (including military), then only civilian GPS can be faked - unlike military, it is not encrypted. However, Humphries in an interview with FoxNews said that such a technique could be potentially dangerous. Read here: http: //www.computerra.ru/33367/? Utm_source = feedburner & utm_medium = feed & utm_campa
          ign=Feed%3A+terrablogs+%28%D0%91%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8+%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B
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      2. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel April 12 2013 08: 59
        13
        During Operation Desert Storm by the Yankees, the discrepancy between GPS data and visual OMS reached 4 kbt. in longitude.
        I'm not sure that an experienced pilot was stupidly guided by GPS data. And how did they fly without GPS before?
        The cause of the plane's death lies in the pilot, who could not object to the owner's stupid order to "land".
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 14 2013 19: 00
          +3
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          During Operation Desert Storm by the Yankees, the discrepancy between GPS data and visual OMS reached 4 kbt. in longitude.

          Good day, colleague!
          You can get the residual 4 kbt in longitude with a working GPS if you use different geodetic formats: GPS works in WGS format, and there is also our own, with reference to Pulkovo, as well as a host of others.
          But one thing is clear. In the event of a large-scale conflict, it is necessary to undermine a pair of nuclear weapons in the upper layers of the atmosphere (antipolar) and that’s all - neither to you satellites, nor to you any binding on them. We fight as in the beginning and end of the 70 of the last century.
          hi
    2. alexng
      alexng April 12 2013 08: 15
      +5
      The article is very old. Already someone really tried in searches on the Internet dumps for 2011. There are a lot of arguments and guesses, and no one will ever know the truth. I think a lot of interesting things will open during the collapse of US potassium and the declassification of data on the actions of the CIA.
      1. Gato
        Gato April 12 2013 10: 17
        +1
        Gee. Yes, for example, who killed Kennedy laughing
        1. Krapovy32
          Krapovy32 April 12 2013 11: 48
          0
          Gato


          How is that? On the GPS bullet induced naturally lol And they killed Japanese spies who did not say that the war was over bully
    3. Quiet
      Quiet April 12 2013 19: 57
      -1
      Somehow unconvincing, about the level of a yellow newspaper.

      Unclear !!! hi As with such "childish" concepts of such systems, you dear learned how to deal with the Internet ??? stop No.
  3. Sirocco
    Sirocco April 12 2013 06: 55
    17
    Well what to say. He (Kachinsky) is not the first, not the last. Hussein, Gaddafi. How many were there, and how many will be? Well, let the USA pop-ups try to figure out how they can end. Although the United States had a good idea, to bleed Poland with Russia, against the backdrop of this muddy story with Katyn. But somehow the dreams of the United States did not come true.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 April 12 2013 07: 42
      19
      That is why I wonder how it is possible to use imported computers, microcircuits, etc. in strategic industries. Was the accident on the gas pipeline not enough when the control program triggered an "accident"? It is necessary to throw all forces on domestic developments of all electronic devices, in the full sense of "catch up and overtake", so that no one ... because of the "sea" could "interfere" with the management of strategic objects with their dirty goals and objectives!
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 12 2013 08: 21
        +6
        And I approve your idea, I was surprised by the article (The Ministry of Defense will acquire the five latest spy satellites) Who is so smart? who are going to put an import stuffing on our reconnaissance satellites? Insanity is complete. Probably we have someone who thinks the place on which he sits. It will be cheaper to merge MO information on your own. fool
        1. Quiet
          Quiet April 12 2013 20: 34
          +2
          who are going to put an import stuffing on our reconnaissance satellites?

          Its (filling) was purchased under the guise of spare parts for the game "Tamagocha" wassat easy to check !!! When companions are asked to eat, or to clean after them, everything will fall into place bully
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 April 12 2013 10: 39
        +1
        Well, yes, we won a competition among foreign manufacturers for the supply of component systems for the satellite group under development for the Ministry of Defense !!!! laughing
  4. 1536
    1536 April 12 2013 06: 59
    26 th
    No special service in the world will deal with such nonsense. But the version itself is interesting.
    1. skeptic
      skeptic April 12 2013 12: 49
      +5
      Quote: 1536
      No special service in the world will deal with such nonsense. But the version itself is interesting.


      Naturally! Only white, furry bears work in special services. And their main task is to secretly plant New Year's gifts for all the children of the earth. God forbid to do something bad for the state - the competitor, and even more so - the enemy.
    2. wax
      wax April 12 2013 14: 30
      +1
      This is not special services, this is the army (the equipment of the battlefield, where time is the main factor, but here about the cards). By the way, the amers then demanded that the Russian Federation return their student backers or hammers. Valuable casket, of course, not in wheels and engines. It is clear that ours were able to gut everything (by the way, the seizure of these vehicles by ours suggests that the amers did not imply the defeat of Georgia).
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe April 12 2013 15: 38
        -5
        Quote: Wax
        (by the way, the seizure of these vehicles by ours indicates that the amers did not imply the defeat of Georgia).

        Most likely they knew and stuffed trophies into trophies.
    3. Quiet
      Quiet April 12 2013 20: 41
      +1
      No special service in the world will deal with such nonsense

      What's this ??? The official statement of the CIA or MI6 ??? One was already promised a corridor at the border. The rats ran out. Isn’t it too early, the ship is not yet drowned ???? wassat belay fool
  5. Varog
    Varog April 12 2013 06: 59
    +5
    When examining the crash site, the specialists were most surprised by why the pilot had taken the plane off the glide path. After all, the liner unexpectedly for the crew was in 500 meters from the runway and five meters from the ground instead of 60! According to experts, the Americans locally changed the “ground level” in the presidential plane’s GPS system.
    No one except the US intelligence services can produce local displacements of the GPS coordinate grid.

    Such a point of view was expressed at the forums in the first days after the crash of side 101. This assumption was caused by the fact that despite the almost zero visibility and the lack of modern automatic landing systems at the airport, the commander confidently drove the board to land. Just fly these few hundred meters. And the strip was 2-3 times longer than enough to land the Tu-154, so if the captain had been reinsured for half a kilometer-kilometer, he would certainly have sat down.
  6. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar April 12 2013 06: 59
    -5
    An article on the level of politics in Poland and Ukraine - Everyone is dangerous and only I Dartanyan! Thank you laugh.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 12 2013 07: 29
      +3
      Quote: Nesvet Nezarya

      An article on the level of politics in Poland and Ukraine - Everyone is dangerous and only I Dartanyan!

      Posted Aug 23 2011 year hi
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik April 12 2013 09: 25
        +7
        Alexander Romanov Today, 07:29 ↑
        Posted Aug 23 2011 year
        The article is about two years old, and this is the first time I've heard this version. Nowhere in the central mass media did not speak out. This is strange.
        1. ABV
          ABV April 12 2013 18: 15
          +5
          That's just it! When any nonsense appears - many "press and radio agencies" always broadcast - like laughing ... and when something close to "unnecessary" truth, defiantly, is ignored by the whole pool ...
  7. OTAKE
    OTAKE April 12 2013 07: 02
    21 th
    Yeah, laaadno) But is Russia supposedly the death of Kaczynski completely unprofitable? I can’t believe about these Jedi wars, with a satellite) But about the fake glide path - completely.
    1. Denis
      Denis April 12 2013 07: 15
      10
      Quote: OTAKE
      about fake glide path - quite
      Where were these pilots taught? No visibility, go where there is
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 12 2013 07: 20
      -5
      Quote: OTAKE
      Yeah laaadno)

      SMART !!!
      *** Russian special services found out how the president of Poland, Lech Kaczynski, was actually killed. ***)))))))))))
      If the Russian services found this out, they themselves and let them down)))))
      As far as they have categorically disproved the possibility of murder !!!
      And I wonder why the amers do not turn off * Zhopas * when Ahmedinidzhat flies and Chavez flies ??)))))))
      More nonsense than what is written in this article can only be invented by Brzezinski))))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 12 2013 07: 30
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        If the Russian services found this out, they themselves and let them down)))))
        As far as they have categorically disproved the possibility of murder !!!

        Alibek, yes look when the article was published .......... Aug 23. 2011 is as old as the world and overgrown with moss.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 12 2013 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Alibek, yes look when the article was published .......... Aug 23. 2011 is as old as the world and overgrown with moss.

          Hi!
          Looked and was surprised!
          For some reason, often * old * articles appear on the site !!
          what is the point do not understand ??
          1. grandfather
            grandfather April 12 2013 20: 58
            0
            so that you do not forget, remind.
            but understand how you want
      2. vilenich
        vilenich April 12 2013 07: 41
        +3
        Good morning!
        Alibek, I agree with you, what does the Russian special services have to do with it, and the version itself is rather strained.
        But on the same resource I found the real reason for the death of the Poles: "The Smolensk land takes revenge on the Poles" (http://opoccuu.com/velizarov3.htm). wink
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 12 2013 08: 18
          +3
          Quote: vilenich
          But on the same resource I found the true reason for the death of the Poles: "Smolensk land takes revenge on the Poles"

          read !!
          terrible crimes!
        2. OTAKE
          OTAKE April 12 2013 10: 01
          +3
          It's no secret that by the decision of Lech Kaczynski, the Warsaw City Council renamed one of the Squares to Dzhokhar Dudaev Square, there is still a street in Warsaw named after him, I remember how much the Russian Foreign Ministry was showing on television, a lot of bricks were put off)
          Warsaw President Lech Kaczynski responded to the statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry with the words: “This is not their business.” And now they want to prove the opposite to us, they say, Lech, such a fine fellow and handsome man, crossed the path of vile Americans and gay people, and we didn’t make friends with him, these villains didn’t kill the president for anything, etc. at the very stigma in the gun. This is how they form public opinion that the authorities want
          1. smile
            smile April 12 2013 17: 41
            +6
            OTAKE
            But is such an incorrect opinion being formed ... For the sake of the authorities ...))) The meaning of the article (I do not touch authenticity) Achinsky is a bad man, his masters are - and the United States is really his masters, no less bad, and they banged out of their lackey -for petty disagreements ... well, look what they and their lackeys, who have at least the rudiments of independence, do ... all sorts of Husseins, Mubaraks, etc. .... what's wrong with this for our authorities - there is no evidence of the version presented in the article ... but this does not exclude the correctness of the general the meaning of the article, is it not? By the way, since you are so honest, please provide evidence that this article is an order of bad Power with dark goals, and not inventions of a creative person from journalism. Otherwise, the value of your accusation of power will be less than this article.
        3. Denis
          Denis April 12 2013 23: 36
          +1
          Quote: vilenich
          the version is pretty tight
          First of all, it is beneficial to the Poles. According to it, the most craziest and best prezik was killed by evil forces, and did not die due to the fact that the bull-planted and all!
          On it they go out
      3. Varog
        Varog April 12 2013 07: 42
        +5
        Ahmadinejad and Chavez are a completely different matter. Board 101 was the command post of the army of one of the NATO countries, and was accordingly equipped. Look in google, there were publications which military systems the aircraft was equipped with. Trusted!
        1. wax
          wax April 12 2013 14: 35
          +1
          I have no doubt that the riddle is there. And it is not by chance that ours do not give away the plane to Poland. Ours so far has not been able to understand something.
      4. OTAKE
        OTAKE April 12 2013 09: 37
        18 th
        welcome! Alibek)

        cautious obscene language. the author of this video, a few months later, was killed in Kiev, according to bloggers.

        "My name is Michal. I am a Pole, an engineer, I am learning Russian. I am very worried about this event. Regarding the video from the crash site with shooting. I watched this video immediately when it appeared on the Internet. It was, I think, on Sunday or Monday (April 11 or 12.) If necessary, I will find out in detail.
        My staff, regardless of me, also watched it. He is awesome! There are voices in Polish. Which of the Poles at that moment could speak?
        When the shots are not heard you can distinguish between the special services of Russia and laughter.
        Who could laugh at such a moment? Victims? Lifeguards? Or killers?
        Why didn’t anyone call an ambulance? Immediately after the crash, I heard a message that three passengers were alive.
        Before the first shot rang out, I heard a man who distinctly said twice in Polish:
        - “Calm down” (calm down!).
        I think he said this to a woman who, apparently, was in shock.
        Today at work, we watched the video several times. Moving figures were visible there, but only until the moment of shots.
        There are people on the Internet who in the best conditions (silence, the best computer) could hear in Polish:
        - “Patch my eyes” (look into his eyes).
        Then in Russian: "Come here ..." and then "All back, we leave here ...".
        The author of the video twice quite loudly says: "no x ... yourself." He was probably scared and left, saving his life. God bless him!
        Yours faithfully,
        Michal from Poland "
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 12 2013 10: 38
          0
          Quote: OTAKE
          cautious obscene language. the author of this video, a few months later, was killed in Kiev, according to bloggers.

          I saw this video even then and I know the history of their authors !!
          Plus I remember then several soldiers who were cordoned off for using the credit cards of one deceased Polish general were arrested!
          If you want my opinion, I find a lot suspicious (including the fact that I still refuse to transfer the wreckage of the plane to Poland), but at the same time I do not understand why this would be necessary !! ????
          That is, I do not see the benefits for Russia and a clear reason !!!
          1. smile
            smile April 12 2013 18: 12
            +9
            Yarbay
            I’ll explain the logic - you know, that recently we, in spite of the criminal orders of Gorbachov and the actions of the Military Prosecutor’s Office in the 90s, proved the groundlessness of the accusations of executing Polish war criminals in the Kozie Gory, including the fact that some of our documents were allegedly falsified by our Military Prosecutor’s Office the blame. summed up zeal, came to anecdotes - the presentation to the public, mainly Polish journalists and investigative authorities, of three originals of one document ... differing from each other). So, in the framework of this criminal case, the Polish investigating authorities were involved in investigative measures, including excavations. they were absolutely illegally allowed temporarily, under the guarantees of the Polish government, to take away part of the yet unexplored material evidence - including. bullets, shells, which we did not have and could not have been in the USSR for 40 years, all valuables, etc. .. So now, 90 percent of the material evidence of the Poles have lost :)))) - well, of course - they proved our innocence, but they tried to slip their falsifications to the European Court ... did not fail. Without giving away evidence in Smolensk, we want to avoid a repetition - they must investigate everything with us and agree with our innocence, but I am convinced that we are not guilty, otherwise they will again lose the bulk of the evidence, throw up fakes and then we will not be washed forever. Have I explained everything in sufficient detail?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 12 2013 20: 38
              0
              Quote: smile
              I will explain the logic -

              hi Vladimir!
              In your comment, the word prokanalo almost did not understand anything, most likely due to the fact that it was not up to date!
              Then I realized that you are convinced of the unintentionality that I respect and understand, but I can’t accept the explanation of the failure of material evidence for the plane crash because I know very well the rules and the internal kitchen of the plane crash investigation!
              Yours!
              1. smile
                smile April 12 2013 21: 05
                +5
                Yarbay
                Greetings !!!
                How do you like me .. :))) -just flies in, four bullets ... :))) You know how, you won’t refuse this. Okay, I’m to blame myself .. I have to explain:
                In the history of relations with the Polish investigating authorities, we had a precedent - when investigating the execution in Katyn, our Military Prosecutor's Office allowed the investigative brigade of Poland to exhume. In violation of our laws, before the end of the investigation, they allegedly temporarily, under the guarantees of Poland, transferred most of the array of very important material evidence - bullets, cartridge cases, documents, etc. ... we ourselves did not have time to examine these documents ... in as a result, material evidence did not return to us - and last summer the European Court was presented mainly fakes, which they were convicted of. They hid the true material evidence in view of the fact that they confirmed the fact that the Poles in the Goat Mountains were shot by the Germans.
                Thus, we were convinced that if they transfer parts of the plane and other material evidence to them before they are here, under our control, they will be examined and delivered a verdict, the Poles will most likely hide part of the material evidence. some are falsified in order to accuse us of deliberately destroying Kaczynski and his codes ... as they did in the case of Katyn ... And they, despite all the conditions provided, do not want to reach a verdict until all the evidence has left to Poland ... which confirms our point of view ... I hope. so clear ... :)))
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 12 2013 21: 22
                  0
                  Quote: smile
                  Thus, we were convinced that if they transfer parts of the plane and other material evidence to them, before they here, under our control, examine them and issue a verdict, the Poles will most likely hide part of the material evidence

                  Is Vladimir an official point of view or your assumptions?
                  The fact is that, as far as I know, when transferring this kind of material, everything is carefully fixed, registered and activated, that is, it is impossible !!
                  Quote: smile
                  some are falsified in order to accuse us of the deliberate destruction of Kaczynski and his codles.

                  Again, it’s almost impossible by what I wrote above, plus the investigation was probably carried out under the auspices of ICAO and experts from abroad were probably involved! In addition, ICAO is one of the few international organizations where Russia still has enormous weight!
                  Your position is more clear to me, but I'm sure that they can’t falsify anything, it’s impossible !!
                  1. smile
                    smile April 12 2013 22: 13
                    +2
                    Yarbay
                    Your doubts are very justified. but..
                    1. Naturally, this is my personal point of view explaining all this tyagomotin with the transfer of aircraft and other materials to the Poles. If I had access to an official point of view, then naturally I would not have mentioned it here before the official scoring ...
                    2. The fact of falsification of material evidence in the Katyn case was established by the European Court. Despite all our logging, this did not stop the Poles ...
                    3. It is alarming that the Poles, having carried out all possible and impossible studies of the materials they insist on transmitting, stubbornly refuse to sign their final verdict in the case until the material evidence arrives in Poland. Moreover, they cannot answer the reasonable question of what else they are going to conduct research. This is alarming. It will be enough for them to conduct a second comprehensive examination by inviting experts. let's say from the USA and that’s all - there are new circumstances and they can make us guilty ..
                    No cries of ICAO. which, most likely, will only be outraged for a look, they won’t help ... if they are sure now that we wrote off Kaczynski as a minus, then what will happen after they confirm this And it will become with them - the last quarter century their policy is moving, with rare exceptions, in precisely this direction ...
                    And as for the falsifications ... well, I don’t tell you that if the state is interested in this, then everything can be falsified ... absolutely everything ... without any exception ... in any case, it will be more difficult to launder than to falsify .. . Remember August 08 .. you understand that two-thirds of the inhabitants of Europe are still convinced that we invaded Georgia and beat the city of Tskhinvali with hailstones ... and here ....
                    1. ImPerts
                      ImPerts April 12 2013 23: 44
                      +1
                      Eats so prabl - Trouble ... fellow
            2. Srebrn
              Srebrn April 13 2013 22: 04
              -1
              Criminals? Have you heard enough of Karaulov? Among the Polish executed officers there was NONE A war criminal! There were military engineers mainly, people who were NOT GOING to fight against the USSR, simply did not intend to join the Red Army. Especially after the occupation in 39th eastern Poland and the expulsion of civilians to Siberia and Kazakhstan.
        2. itr
          itr April 12 2013 12: 39
          0
          Well, I fundamentally disagree with you.
          Yes, and I have a question: what word would you say when the plane crashed in front of you and started to burn ?? Obviously not poems by heart with expression
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 12 2013 13: 55
            -3
            Quote: itr
            Yes, and I have a question: what word would you say when the plane crashed in front of you and started to burn ??

            He said these words when he saw a hot plane, and much later, when shots rang out, as far as I remember, I did not want to watch it again!
            And not your right to disagree with me!
          2. ImPerts
            ImPerts April 12 2013 16: 31
            +5
            The cartridges, which were in the presence of the responsible persons, guards and other close ones, could "shoot" or explode. Something could explode from the burning. I put slate on burning tires in 4th grade. It exploded well, now I would not repeat that.
        3. ImPerts
          ImPerts April 12 2013 16: 34
          +6
          That is, the Poles, in the presence of such a video, were silenced? Brother of the late Kaczynski? And the Americans forced or Putin? If it was worth something, then the Poles would spin it at a time.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 12 2013 17: 11
            -1
            Quote: ImPerts
            That is, the Poles, in the presence of such a video, were silenced? Brother of the late Kaczynski? And the Americans forced or Putin?

            Questions, questions !!!
            I have a lot of them too !!
        4. smile
          smile April 12 2013 17: 52
          +3
          OTAKE
          Yeah, let's comment on the WW2 history on the issues of "Deutsche Wochenshau" :))))
          I have to upset you - even the totally Russophobic-minded investigative bodies of Poland did not add such crafts to the materials, although a serious check was carried out for each such nasty thing with the establishment of the authorship of this rubbish ... and the terrible secret death of the author in Ukraine - in general - to the chickens to laugh ... the degree of confidence is even less. than in the materials about the Katyn execution - after all, the state worked for the Nazis in the production of a fake, then the Polish state used Goebbels' backlog ... and then in the European Court we proved all the falsity of their argumentation ... and here ... so, amateurism, offscreen voices, and your bulging eyes - ears, paws, tail - that's all the evidence. :))))) The offscreen voice was terribly amused - "no x .. myself" - this voice is taken from a well-known Internet joke, known, perhaps, to a good half of Internet users :))))) and locomotive beeps - of course, all the democratic community knows. that we still ride steam locomotives - even without rails and, we wear quilted jackets and eat vodka with dried ribs of panenok :)))))
        5. Фокус
          Фокус April 12 2013 19: 05
          +2
          Video "to laughing chickens", "sensation" out of nothing. On closer examination, it is clear that when the liner fell to the crash site, onlookers and of course looters came running, so they giggle and look who took what and where ("he leaves"), the plane collapsed and none of them survived, this can be seen from the wreckage, and the "shots" (the special services, if only they knew and took the mufflers with them), are the burning skin and aircraft parts. After the claps were heard, people realized that it was not safe here and began to shout that they had to leave. Polish speech - as you know, just one president flew there, but a huge delegation of higher officials, and that two Poles had to meet them, but there were a lot of Poles, including Polish intelligence officers, and of course they rushed to the crash site, not they will sit and wait for the bodies to be brought up.
      5. smile
        smile April 12 2013 17: 29
        +4
        Yarbay
        Greetings!
        I do not want to evaluate the accuracy of the information presented in the article, but I really want to make your statement - :))), according to your logic, how it turns out - if the investigator investigated the case and found the culprit, this gives reason to prosecute the investigator, and not the culprit of the bad deeds :))) But the Bzdezhinsky people have long voiced their greater nonsense - Kachinsky and his kodlu were killed by the Russians .. yeah, they killed and ate! Until now, Poland has been regularly hysterical on this subject, despite the fact that those who are smarter and whose Russophobia has not replaced their conscience certainly understand that this ....
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 12 2013 20: 43
          0
          Quote: smile
          I want to make your statement - :))), according to your logic, how it turns out - if the investigator investigated the case and found the culprit, this gives reason to prosecute the investigator, and not the culprit of a bad act :)))

          Dear Vladimir, in no case!
          You can see inattentively read!
          I mean, Russia, about a year later, announced that it had carried out a thorough investigation and officially announced the cause of the crash and after three more years said that the Russian special services had established that the murder was nonsense!
          It speaks either of the incompetence of specialists who previously investigated a plane crash or malicious misinformation !!
          I think I could explain my position!
          1. smile
            smile April 12 2013 21: 10
            +1
            Yarbay
            Yes, I just laughed, maybe unsuccessfully :)))
            Of course they explained. Here I agree with you. But you must admit - even if we established that it was banged in this way, it would be extremely difficult to prove it ... we would be ridiculed ... although, of course, the degree of reliability of the article is doubtful ... well, a very big doubt ..so let's say :))))))
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 12 2013 08: 44
      +3
      False glide paths, if you look at the list of air crashes over the past 5-6 years, one of the main reasons for the death of aircraft:
      2008, Perm, Boeing 737, Russian crew
      2009 Amsterdam Boeing 737, Turkish crew
      2010 Smolensk TU 154 Polish crew
      2010 Mangalore India Boeing 737 Indian crew
      etc.
      1. Denis
        Denis April 12 2013 16: 54
        +2
        Quote: Corsair5912
        False glide paths, if you look at the list of air crashes over the past 5-6 years, one of the main causes of the death of aircraft
        It’s a pity for the people who died, but that’s not the side number 1
        Listen to AFTAR, so they fly into space on a car navigator, and planes have only recently replaced a pack of the White Sea Canal with a map
        yolk s!
      2. deoman
        deoman April 12 2013 17: 30
        0
        It seems to me in this video, everything is very simple to explain. The first witnesses to the disaster are simply driven away from the crash site with shots in the air.
  8. Alikovo
    Alikovo April 12 2013 07: 04
    0
    Yes, they constantly removed unwanted rulers
  9. shinobi
    shinobi April 12 2013 07: 07
    +1
    And H.Z. Well, it was not for nothing that it was the army that began to push GLONAS stubbornly after 08.08.08. We could have our specialists pushed in, because those hamers got to us. shorter
  10. svp67
    svp67 April 12 2013 07: 09
    +1
    "The water is dark in the clouds." Although this version has the right to life ... Since the true truth, I'm afraid we will never know.
  11. Denis
    Denis April 12 2013 07: 13
    +6
    Delirium and yolk! What then can not be blamed on aliens?
    The plane with the Polish delegation on board was shot down by a CIA satellite

    Spring aggravation?
    Ponte killed him or the great nobleman. It was said to go to the reserve, the land dispatcher in this case, the king and God, but it is not visible to the Poles
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 12 2013 07: 22
      -6
      Quote: Denis
      .It was said to go to the reserve, the land dispatcher in this matter is king and God,

      Poles say that it was not said!
      Yes, and the dispatcher for the first time in an interview rubbish ground!
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 12 2013 07: 40
        +7
        How was it? Another Polish crew who landed at this airfield told the crew about weather problems. 1. The crew commander is the FAC, he is responsible for his actions and the crew’s actions, 2. The dispatcher in this situation cannot forbid the FAC to ban landing (only recommendations) .3 Polish President Lech Kaczynski two years ago survived an unpleasant incident in an airplane. Then, due to difficult weather conditions, the pilot of Kaczynski refused to land a liner in the Georgian capital Tbilisi, despite the insistent demands of the Polish leader. The plane landed near the capital of Azerbaijan in the city of Ganja.

        The incident occurred on August 12, 2008, according to unofficial information, the pilot was fired.

        Probably the pilot of TU-154 did not want to be fired
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 12 2013 08: 21
          -6
          Quote: Sirocco
          Then, due to difficult weather conditions, the pilot of Kaczynski refused to land a liner in the Georgian capital Tbilisi, despite the insistent demands of the Polish leader. The plane landed near the capital of Azerbaijan in the city of Ganja.

          sorry, but it was not so !!
          Due to the fact that there were no guarantees that the plane would not be shot down, the plane did not fly to Tbilisi!
          but he sat in Baku!
          got better and flew away!
      2. Denis
        Denis April 12 2013 16: 42
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        the Poles say that it was not said
        They found someone to believe, they will also say about GDP with a slingshot, they have extensive experience
        Quote: Yarbay
        dispatcher first time in an interview with nonsense milled
        Although I didn’t forget to call myself with such pressure, it’s good
        Words are just words, but there are facts. I don’t know whether to call the record of negotiations a document, but there is one. And probably not one, written by ours, yours and uncles passing by. If there was at least some clue, they would have grabbed onto it such bulldogs! It’s like with a flight to the moon, the specialists of deception did not find (although they were still looking as a politician, sir), and the illiterate reporter dug up in this area

        Infa at the level of grandmothers on a bench. And not just grandmothers, but you see before the exit of the granddaughter who grabbed by mistake the club pills
        How could you believe that?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 12 2013 20: 57
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          Infa at the level of grandmothers on a bench. And not just grandmothers, but you see before the exit of the granddaughter who grabbed by mistake the club pills
          How could you believe that?
          Maybe you're right!!
          Probably getting old !!
  12. Combitor
    Combitor April 12 2013 07: 13
    +2
    How you can use the method of changing the ground level or something similar was shown at one time in "Die Hard-2". Amers even have movie scripts serve as instructions for the special services. Or, conversely, filmmakers steal secrets from spies. Everything is interconnected and goes into action.
  13. marsel1524
    marsel1524 April 12 2013 07: 14
    +1
    Hmm, in the gps navigator with glonass in half to whom to believe that? :), But in general, the version is interesting, but do pilots really believe only gps? other devices canceled chtol?
  14. mojohed
    mojohed April 12 2013 07: 32
    +4
    Why would the US or Russia kill Kaczynski? Is it only for allegedly inactiveness in economic views and the desire to have a separate opinion on the development of the country (Poland)? The White House’s sense was to water the leader of his ally, especially Kaczynski — during his lifetime, he consistently and consistently (as is customary in the Western world) cursed and stigmatized Russian politics, incited the Russian Federation’s guilt syndrome for Katyn in the early 40s.
    I believe that there should be no friendship between the Russian Federation and the Rzeczpospolita. The Poles need the disputed lands in our west, the recognition of Katyn, Holodomor, revisionist and some other confessions of Russia, and in general we are guilty before the West and the Psheks for centuries-old blows. one had to lie under the press of democracy for a long time and relax before the liberals.
    1. skeptic
      skeptic April 12 2013 13: 30
      +1
      Quote: mojohed
      Why would the US or Russia kill Kaczynski?


      And why did the US have to kill Saddam Hussein, for many years, who was almost an ally? AND!!! If memory serves, too, he wanted to decide something on his own.
  15. Region65
    Region65 April 12 2013 07: 52
    +3
    No one except the US intelligence services can produce local displacements of the GPS coordinate grid.

    This capability is intended to be used during military operations. For example, while repelling the Georgian attack on South Ossetia in 2008, Russian artillerymen faced a shift in the civilian GPS signal. The Americans moved the coordinate field in this zone by 300 meters, deliberately distorting the civilian channel. ... once again proves to frauds like Taburetkin, Medvedev and their accomplices and compassionates that one should not use the tools of a "potential enemy", and even more so in the field of defense.
    1. wax
      wax April 12 2013 14: 42
      +2
      Exactly. Namely - to framers. But Taburetkin finally, probably, thought that a live shield of women would stop any enemy.
  16. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 April 12 2013 07: 57
    +2
    Plane accidents associated with the failure of the GPS coordinate system are far from uncommon, but most often this happened in ordinary passenger Boeing (Boeing 737, Perm, September 2008) and there was no suspicion of malicious intent, apparently the cereushniki were practicing the technique. The circumstances of the catastrophe in Perm are one-on-one, as near Smolensk, loss of spatial orientation by the crew. Unreasonably, the crew of the aircraft was accused of "insufficient flight training", as well as near Smolensk.
    So the version of the CIA intervention has a very high probability, close to 100%.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik April 12 2013 09: 37
      -2
      Corsair5912 Today, 07:57
      "Plane crashes associated with a failure of the GPS coordinate system are far from uncommon ..."


      I agree. Zaputinsky falcons Yankees will not surrender. Like with Kursk. IMHO.
      1. wax
        wax April 12 2013 14: 45
        +2
        Such things are discovered only after many years.
  17. Varog
    Varog April 12 2013 08: 09
    +2
    This story is given an ironic tint by the fact that after the country lost its political elite, nothing terrible happened to it. As in the old joke, "grief, but not a problem."
    1. skeptic
      skeptic April 12 2013 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Varog
      This story is given an ironic tint by the fact that after the country lost its political elite, nothing terrible happened to it. As in the old joke, "grief, but not a problem."


      It could not have happened if a change of leadership had been prepared in advance and the right people were reserved for vacant seats. The article is old, so anyone can compare the cause-effect relationship of subsequent events in Poland. Could pass favorable US laws or not? If Kaczynski’s case in the economy is unchanged, then talk of the CIA’s trail is groundless for now.
  18. Normal
    Normal April 12 2013 08: 12
    +2
    Because of what the pilot ............ did not have time to react and pull the plane out PIKE

    After this phrase you can no longer read.
    1. mamba
      mamba April 12 2013 09: 38
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      did not have time to react and pull the plane out of PIKE

      I also immediately noticed this "splash". The author does not distinguish between glide path and pike. However, the main version of the article deserves attention.
    2. Denis
      Denis April 12 2013 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      After this phrase you can no longer read
      It remains to admire the genius of Tupolev, but this is also without delusional diving passenger aircraft
      author-to-school, to school!
  19. valokordin
    valokordin April 12 2013 08: 17
    +2
    Quote: Sirocco
    Bleed Poland with Russia, against the backdrop of this muddy story with Katyn. But somehow the dreams of the United States did not come true.

    The murky story with Katyn was concocted by Gorbachev and Yakovlev in order to present Stalin and Soviet power as complete scumbags in the eyes of the West and the country's inhabitants. There were also concocted "archival documents" that no one had seen for 50 years. This provocation was worse than Goebel's, since there was no point in killing officers en masse.
    1. Basilevs
      Basilevs April 12 2013 10: 06
      +1
      Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't some court recently recognized the "muddy story with Katyn" as a fake? Moreover, there was no noticeable noticeable reaction of our supreme power.
  20. valokordin
    valokordin April 12 2013 08: 18
    0
    where is my comment?
  21. ups
    ups April 12 2013 08: 22
    0
    I don’t know how true it is, but I believe + the author. It is a pity that there is little analytics of what happened after Kachinsky’s death.
  22. ramsi
    ramsi April 12 2013 08: 55
    0
    I don’t understand how technically possible? Only by reconfiguring the aircraft GPS receiver itself
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 12 2013 09: 29
      +9
      To receive the changed signal of the transmitting station, the receiver does not need to be reconfigured, it is enough to reconfigure the transmitter, which technically does not present any problems.
      "The typical accuracy of modern GPS receivers in the horizontal plane is about 6-8 meters with good visibility of satellites and the use of correction algorithms. There are stations WAAS, EGNOS, MSAS, etc. in the USA, Canada, Japan, China, the European Union and India. • transmitting corrections for differential mode, which allows reducing the error to 1-2 meters in the territory of these countries.
      An essential feature of GPS is the complete dependence of the conditions for receiving the signal from the US Department of Defense. "

      So correcting the signal in GPS is a well-developed operation, any signal can be "refined". It is realistic to give such coordinates to the object that the submarine may end up in the sky over the Ukrainian steppe.
      1. ramsi
        ramsi April 12 2013 12: 11
        0
        navigator starts working with 4 (although, in fact, 3) received signals. In reality, usually it is at least 6-9. That is, the signal from 6-9 satellites should lie.
        This will be a very noticeable mistake on all navigators in a very large area of ​​the country. This, it seems, was not.
        1. wax
          wax April 12 2013 14: 54
          0
          Changing satellite signals is more expensive for yourself, but you can send a signal to the receiver so that it enters at some point (then you hardly find such a fact, but somewhere on the disk there should still be a trace of the action) a programmed or initiated correction (on the battlefield may be a local distortion for all, but considered for its own). I think so, but I don’t know how.
          In short, other people's navigational instruments - death in the war.
          1. ramsi
            ramsi April 12 2013 15: 53
            0
            extremely dubious assumption. Do not demonize electronics. If there was no external communication channel of the receiver, except with satellites (for example, with the Internet), get into the receiver .., except mechanically ...
        2. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich April 12 2013 21: 48
          0
          [quote = ramsi] That is, the signal from 6-9 satellites must lie.
          This will be a very noticeable mistake on all navigators in a very large area of ​​the country. This, it seems, was not. [/ Quote]
          [quote = ramsi] That is, the signal from 6-9 satellites must lie.
          The signal in the navigators uses only GPS or GLONASS signals. And for the work of Garmin or Navitel, the accuracy of 5-8 meters is enough! However, on a more critical technique where positioning accuracy is very important, signal accuracy correction is used. DGNSS-differential global navigation satellite system. It consists of correction satellites, and base stations.
          EGNOS-gives accuracy to + - 50cm, and is free, and OmniSTAR HP has accuracy to + - 5cm, but it is paid! But these are civilian versions. And the Pentagon has its own correction system. But he can influence civil correction!
          Tellingly, ours are also able to influence the correction of the ZPSA accuracy! In September 2013, he was engaged in setting up an auto guide system on agricultural machinery in the Voronezh region, 30 kilometers from a military airfield. The tractor ideally "wrote" parallel lines across the field on autopilot. But only until the flights began! About half an hour before the MIG flights, the autoguide was cut down (although I continued to see the satellites), and it was checked out after about half an hour after the end of the flights! The observations continued for a week! On Weekends, when there were no flights, the omnistar auto guide worked seamlessly for three shifts in the field. That's it!
    2. Фокус
      Фокус April 12 2013 19: 24
      0
      Technically, it is very easy. Any GPS receiver has software in which you can inject a virus that can be activated at the right time and in the right place. As for the version, it is doubtful but not without thoroughness.
      1. ramsi
        ramsi April 12 2013 20: 32
        0
        that is, they were sold a "pre-charged" navigator. And on this date - "well, the bastards calculated!" Theoretically, of course, it is possible ... Although, it is more likely that it was used for its intended purpose - as a means for rough orientation on the terrain, no more. They planted it on it - hardly ...
        1. Фокус
          Фокус April 12 2013 22: 17
          0
          Selling for a previously "infected" is unlikely, but at the time of reflashing is possible. I completely agree with you that they were planted without him and he did not play a decisive role here. If anyone wanted to remove Kaczynski, he would have chosen a more reliable means.
  23. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 12 2013 08: 59
    +4
    No, it's just the spirit of Ivan Susanin influenced the navigation system and knocked the Poles off course. laughing
  24. Averias
    Averias April 12 2013 09: 01
    +1
    Effective, but not believable. This is me about the article. And yet, the article was spoiled by this, a quote: " sky version"(Damn, censorship, you understand, the censors removed the" pind "prefix). It’s not serious, and where are the facts. A simple question, how was that determined? And why now? Why what, but in matters of secret operations, the CIA And the fact that this happened on our territory, the United States understood perfectly well that we would start "digging" in their direction. Moreover, with GPS, but there is a warning system about a critical situation. And no one has altimeters. It's one thing to direct artillery by GPS (that's also a trick, why in artillery civil GPS, or our gunners and spotters, have forgotten how to direct?). In general, all this is dull.

    PS It seems that the author just recently watched the movie "Die Hard", I don't remember, part 2 seems to be about the airport. They clearly showed this case. When the "ground level" was lowered by some meters and the plane crashed.
    Author, do not be offended, but where are the facts?
  25. zambo
    zambo April 12 2013 09: 12
    +1
    The article is old, but read the last paragraph again:
    Recently, former Polish Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Lepper was killed by US intelligence agencies. The deceased headed the “Self-defense” party, the only pro-Russian party in the Polish parliament. Just like Kaczynski, he did everything to protect the economic independence of Poland. Lepper was an ardent supporter of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.

    Therefore, the version with American intelligence agencies has a place to be.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 12 2013 09: 46
      0
      Quote: zamboy
      a version with American intelligence agencies has a place to be.

      Absolutely right. Like the version of the Russian special services in the Berezovsky case!
  26. adg76
    adg76 April 12 2013 09: 19
    0
    Political assassinations have always been and will be. The last example is the British. Therefore, everything can be. It is easier to remove the quiet leader of the state than to introduce occupation troops, and lose "face"
  27. saymonz
    saymonz April 12 2013 09: 23
    15 th
    Stop blaming the Americans.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 12 2013 09: 51
      +5
      No, not enough.
      They have not blamed yet, blamed the Poles from the crew of the aircraft and Russian dispatchers.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 12 2013 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: saymonz
      Stop blaming the Americans.

      If Americans mean simple workers, laying asphalt, rails, growing corn and hens, then nobody touches them.
      Here they are accused of their owners, who rotate rings on their fingers with the keys to our lives. For example, I will long remember Brzezinski. And even longer than those of our guys who died from his plans to avenge the USSR for defeat in Vietnam!
    3. OTAKE
      OTAKE April 12 2013 11: 07
      -6
      Quote: saymonz
      Stop blaming the Americans.

      Is there America at all? Have any of you seen America, all these buildings, Americans, etc. I personally do not believe in all these tales about the Indians and the President's Negro, they sing too sweetly. America was invented even under Stalin so that factory workers would work better. It has been proven that a common enemy improves the productivity of workers, rallies the population. Plus, any problem can always be blamed on the machinations of "certain" Americans. It's like the devil for medieval people, the cow died, the devil is to blame. There are agents of the West (they used to be called witches, sorcerers, accomplices of the devil) now they play the role of spies for America (which, as we know, does not exist), they seek to disrupt the peaceful harmony of our stable society. But I, as a Russian patriot, will drink putinki, kiss the portrait of the president, and pray to go to bed!
  28. krot
    krot April 12 2013 09: 23
    0
    As a version, it has a right to exist! If amers have such leverage, why not put pressure on them ..
  29. shpuntik
    shpuntik April 12 2013 09: 28
    +1
    Believable version. GPS has good accuracy - they find the buoy in the sea at a time. And you get used to it ...
  30. psdf
    psdf April 12 2013 09: 34
    -1
    Quote: Garrin
    This is who the "Evil Empire" really is. Although I have no claim for Kaczynski.
    Greetings to all.

    But it bothers me that in our territory, etc.
  31. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 April 12 2013 09: 37
    -3
    Explicit YELLOW. The article is similar to the articles of free newspapers that are distributed in the subway. negative
  32. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal April 12 2013 09: 40
    0
    Good morning, forum users! I feel that this article will give rise to a foolish discussion. good

    Personally, I liked the information)) That's just how true this is. If our special services really revealed this, then, probably, there is no reason to believe that this is nonsense.
  33. optimist
    optimist April 12 2013 09: 49
    0
    But the GDP keeps the loot of Russia in the west. Therefore, he is alive and on the "throne" !!!
  34. 400
    400 April 12 2013 09: 52
    0
    The article may be YELLOW, but the issue of shifting the GPS grid requires more in-depth analysis.
  35. Basilevs
    Basilevs April 12 2013 09: 59
    +2
    And in the article I was confused by this: "Russian artillerymen faced the problem of a shift in the civilian GPS signal." I, of course, would be glad for my new improved and advanced colleagues - gunners, if I had not seen every summer how and on what they work. On new self-propelled vehicles there is self-binding, but they are not used. They do not know, they do not know how, but they are lazy to study. What the hell is GPS, it was not defining, and it is not yet. Everything is, basically, the old fashioned way. The problem of a shift in the civilian GPS signal, IMHO, is still a problem for the damned bourgeois. Also, nobody canceled the map and common sense
  36. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 12 2013 10: 05
    +5
    Anecdote in the topic:
    The outskirts of a wretched village.
    A large, sparkling city jeep crawls along a dirty street. The last rickety house passes, rests against a fallen fence, beyond which there is a ravine, and freezes. Two old women in sweatshirts at a distance:
    - Semenovna, look, another ghoul with a navigator !!!
  37. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik April 12 2013 10: 14
    0
    No.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yl3ykLy_zhY
  38. Canep
    Canep April 12 2013 10: 30
    +7
    Now I’ll probably catch a few minuses, but I’ll say: Firstly, if you move the GPS grid, not only the Polish president’s plane will feel the shift, but also hundreds of others that land and take off all over Europe. Secondly, on the Tu-154, the GPS receiver is not the main navigation device, when approaching, the pilot is guided by the direction finding of the beacons, then by the altimeter (barometric and radio), and by the airspeed indicator. I don’t think that the pilot of the Polish president was an idiot (rest in peace for him), and across all the instructions he led the plane along the GPS receiver. The reason in my opinion is that it was not the pilot who commanded it, but the president, our dispatchers warned of the danger of landing in such weather. And then, if the plane went to a spare, then GPS couldn’t affect the result of the flight.
    1. RPD
      RPD April 12 2013 10: 43
      0
      "Firstly, if you move the GPS grid, not only the plane of the Polish president, but hundreds of others who land and take off all over Europe will feel the shift." though he put a plus, but contradict yourself. "And then, if the plane had left for a spare, then the GPS could not influence the flight result."
      1. sanyabasik
        sanyabasik April 12 2013 11: 11
        +1
        contradict yourself
        There is no contradiction, everything is true:
        on the Tu-154 GPS receiver is not the main navigation device
        if the plane went to a spare, then GPS couldn’t influence the result of the flight. - because at the alternate aerodrome the weather corresponds to the minimum of the crew commander, airplane and airfield smile, well, otherwise it’s not a backup airfield .. Those. conditions would allow a normal landing of the aircraft.
        1. Canep
          Canep April 12 2013 19: 11
          0
          Thanks for the support and clarifications for ...
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 12 2013 11: 42
      +1
      Judging by your reasoning, you have absolutely no idea how the GPS system works. If you ask for your coordinates on your receiver, then a system consisting of a satellite, a control station and your receiver gives you your coordinates, and not the coordinates of all the other receivers in Europe.
      Correcting the coordinates given to your receiver is no more difficult than intercepting a conversation on a cell phone.
      The situation when the readings of the instruments contradict each other is called a loss of orientation in space.
      The driver of a car going at high speed with a loss of orientation flies into a ditch or into the oncoming lane.
      In this situation, the pilot of a plane either gains altitude or crashes into the ground.
      1. Canep
        Canep April 12 2013 18: 27
        +1
        In fact, GPS satellites are radio beacons that send a radio signal at exactly the specified time, by the difference in the arrival of these signals from several satellites, you can determine the position of the receiver by triangulation, while you need to know where at that moment the satellites from which the signal is received are located. GPS RECEIVER CALCULATES ITS LOCATION AND DOES NOT RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION FROM A SATELLITE.
        And as for intercepting the conversation over the cellular - so far no one has been able to crack the encryption system without the consent of the service company.
    3. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 14 2013 22: 48
      0
      You're right, everything is much simpler! The pilots were under enormous pressure "from above", especially since this "top" was nearby. On TU 154 GPS is not standard, but is used to simplify calculations. Maybe the Poles have changed the avionics, but I doubt it.
  39. Strashila
    Strashila April 12 2013 10: 34
    +1
    Koreans, until the last instant, thought that they were flying in international space ... that 60 meters, they were muddied for 300 km ... and silence to this day. The advice was to blame, here the Russians are.
    1. RPD
      RPD April 12 2013 10: 41
      0
      "The Koreans, until the last moment, believed that they were flying in the international space" themselves reported? )))
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak April 12 2013 11: 14
        0
        Quote: RPD
        have you reported yourself?

        So, after all, the whole Western press was just about to crack. Really did not read ???
  40. RPD
    RPD April 12 2013 10: 40
    0
    I can’t enter, that there was no altimeter on the carcass? ordinary, Soviet, who worked everywhere from rockets to hang gliders. or pilots because of Russophobia horn rested in gps?
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik April 12 2013 11: 02
      +2
      a barometric altimeter shows the altitude relative to the landing strip (which is necessary when landing), if the exact airfield pressure is set on it; the radio altimeter shows exactly in level flight, but not the altitude, but the distance to the ground at a specific moment in time, at the Severny airfield (Smolensk), due to a hollow in the region of descent, the radio altimeter "overestimates" the flight altitude relative to the runway.

      the causes of the disaster were incorrect crew actions (failure to go to the second circle under weather conditions is significantly lower than the meteorological minimum of the aerodrome, a decrease below the minimum safe altitude indicated by the flight director of 100 m, ignoring signals of the warning system about dangerous proximity to the earth's surface) and psychological pressure on him. By the time the plane landed at the airport, difficult weather conditions were observed: low cloud cover and fog. Actual values ​​of the height of the lower boundary of the clouds (VNGO) and visibility at the aerodrome at the time of the crash were 40–50 m of VNGO and 300–500 m of visibility; at this aerodrome, the meteorological minimum (the minimum permissible value of VNGO and visibility at which aircraft are allowed to land on the RSP + OSP system) are respectively 100 m and 1000 m. The flight manager warned the aircraft crew about difficult weather conditions and invited the crew to land the aircraft at the alternate aerodrome in Moscow, Minsk or Vitebsk. The findings of guilt will be made by investigators of the Investigative Committee of Russia.

      The Polish side did not agree with a number of provisions and conclusions of the IAC, mainly with a unilateral approach in identifying the perpetrators of the disaster, and considered the report prepared by the Russian side to be unacceptable
  41. pinecone
    pinecone April 12 2013 10: 41
    0
    It is not known what and how, but Kaczynski clearly did not like the world community. since he sharply opposed buggers and for the preservation of traditional family values.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 12 2013 11: 47
      0
      Do you think that the Kaczynski plane was shot down by buggers?
  42. elenagromova
    elenagromova April 12 2013 10: 52
    0
    Not unlikely. I want to at least once believe in the luck of the Russian special services. To other russophobes feared.
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE April 12 2013 11: 14
      -2
      lol typical KGB tactics, who can scare this?) America? I doubt Europe? also somehow not the topic. Kim Jong Il, for example, didn’t fly on airplanes, he preferred purely steam locomotives, and nothing, he died healthy. So it’s more likely for domestic consumption, they say do not rock the stability boat, otherwise click on the button just like Lech did in his time
  43. Vtel
    Vtel April 12 2013 11: 17
    +6
    As he did not like Russia, the President of Poland, Lech Kaczynski, however, the Lord surprisingly reconciled them to the Russian Land. Rest in peace. No need to run into those with whom God! Let others think. Thank God!
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE April 12 2013 11: 32
      -7
      The villains are filthy !!
    2. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 14 2013 22: 54
      +2
      Read Dante, there all the rulers are in Hell so that God has nothing to do with it, rather Satan.
      Quote: Vtel
      As he did not like Russia, the President of Poland, Lech Kaczynski, however, the Lord surprisingly reconciled them to the Russian Land. Rest in peace. No need to run into those with whom God! Let others think. Thank God!
  44. Black
    Black April 12 2013 11: 27
    +1
    It would not be worthwhile to print such an article of canary damage with the level of this site.
    1. Sasha
      Sasha April 12 2013 13: 40
      0
      It would not be worthwhile to print such an article of canary damage with the level of this site.

      "Opinions" Rubric: Here are laid out completely different opinions, articles of site visitors, as well as articles from other sites for discussion. The site administration about this news may have an opinion different from the opinion of the authors of the materials.
  45. tun1313
    tun1313 April 12 2013 11: 47
    +2
    Bullshit, of course, but ... When I bought my own garmin (not a car), a piece of paper was attached to it, which indicated, inter alia, that in the event of hostilities or other circumstances, the US government reserves the right to increase the error in determining coordinates.
    1. Korzhik_77
      Korzhik_77 April 12 2013 17: 02
      0
      This is not nonsense - the ability to change the error exists hi
      1. Canep
        Canep April 12 2013 19: 18
        +1
        Of course it exists, but this will immediately affect all civilian receivers, and for the US military these errors will be eliminated at the receiver software level.
        1. Korzhik_77
          Korzhik_77 April 12 2013 22: 13
          0
          That's right. But as for the military, it’s rather easier.
          We were taught that the first NAVSTAR system had three frequency channels -
          1. for guidance ICBMs; 2. for quick reaction forces; 3. for civilians.
          Even then, a decent mistake was introduced in determining the place for civilians.
          The new GPS system is even more sophisticated - so that military stripes are unlikely
          strongly bother.
          And with GLONAS ours dragged on request
  46. elenagromova
    elenagromova April 12 2013 12: 01
    +3
    Once Kaczynski flew to Smolensk -
    “Evil” Russia wanted to zagnobit.
    Lyahi crying from the bitter loss.
    Russian land does not need crap.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 12 2013 12: 17
      +2
      Slow, children, trees grow,
      And the shit-shit weave.
      Plant more trees guys
      Will be where to land the shit.
      1. Denis
        Denis April 12 2013 18: 57
        +1
        Quote: Corsair5912
        Will be where to land the shit
        Angry you, if only to belittle, that is. to land. It’s not good, you have to be kind!
        On the contrary, I would raise the same tree
        that with a little rope
  47. Zubr
    Zubr April 12 2013 12: 05
    +2
    Typical practice for special services. As comrade. Stalin: "NO PERSON, NO PROBLEMS", "THE DEATH OF ONE PERSON IS A TRAGEDY, THE DEATH OF THOUSANDS IS ALREADY STATISTICS."
    "P.E.N.D.O.S.IKI" jump to the handle, as one would like to hope that BRICS will soon arrange a dark ...
  48. greenx
    greenx April 12 2013 12: 06
    0
  49. _KM_
    _KM_ April 12 2013 12: 36
    +1
    The idea that the Polish president was shot down by blues is very original. I would even say that Friday is positive. But to me, that everything was easier there - big ranks climbed to direct the pilot's actions. The result was not slow to wait.
  50. white2111
    white2111 April 12 2013 13: 27
    0
    And what? It is an acceptable version. Short-term introduced a 300-meter error and ... This version is not without logic and a clear view. There is indirect evidence of the possibility of introducing amendments on the basis of information on discs seized in Georgia during the conflict.