Ukraine upside down... About the situation in Kazakhstan

I have already written about how sometimes it happens that some material is “written in the head” for a long time, but it cannot be “born”, materialized. Fragments, separate thoughts, phrases - all this exists, but exists separately from each other. A push, a stimulus, an emotional blow is needed, and then the thoughts themselves line up into the necessary words, into sentences and, ultimately, into an article. This is what happened this time.

This time, such an incentive was an appeal from a former pediatric surgeon from Kazakhstan, Almas Naiman, dedicated to the 80th anniversary of the Victory over fascism. An ordinary letter to the editor of a newspaper, of which the media receives quite a lot. This letter touched me. As if my thoughts were expressed by another person. Maybe because both he and I remained those Soviet people in our souls. "A new community of people"...

I will not go into detail about the veteran's letter. If you are interested, read the original source in the Russian Literaturnaya Gazeta. Almas Neiman warns his fellow citizens about the threat of a repeat of the Ukrainian scenario in Kazakhstan, about the possibility of losing the country...

“We now have people whom I personally classify as fascists who slander Russia and try to instill hatred towards Russians and Russia.”

"I sincerely feel sorry for the Ukrainians! I have been friends with many of them since childhood, and I still have Ukrainian friends - wonderful people. It is not their fault that the Ukrainian leadership encouraged fascism to their own detriment."

"Russia was forced to launch a special operation to save Russians in Donetsk, Lugansk, and Crimea."

"Everything can be overcome! Especially if we stop our extremists, their patrons and rely on friendship with Russia, with Russians and all other peoples of our Kazakhstan. Otherwise, a second Ukraine may flare up."

These quotes are from the address of a Soviet man who believed and believes that we win only when we stop being different, different in nationality, skin color, eye shape, faith, traditions, customs, and so on... We win when we all become Russian. Russian soldiers, Russian scientists, Russian writers, Russian artists...

As you have understood, today we will talk about Kazakhstan. About a country where the same tendencies that we once saw in Ukraine are clearly visible. Kazakhstan today is Ukraine yesterday, only “reflected in a mirror ceiling.”

Once upon a time, a colleague of mine who worked in parallel, when faced with yet another “failure,” said: “You and I were sent on different paths, but in the end we came to the same damn place...” I really don’t want Kazakhstan to end up where Ukraine “slid to”...

Ukraine in reverse

In my opinion, what we see today in Kazakhstan, what seems incomprehensible at first glance, in fact repeats the “Ukrainian scenario”, but “with a Kazakh flavor”. What happened in Ukraine, all this restructuring of the people’s consciousness, the rejection of ancestors, of stories countries and so on, is happening today in Kazakhstan. The difference is only in the "height" of the impact. Ukraine was destroyed "from below", Kazakhstan - "from above".

Remember how it all started in Ukraine? With the "poor and unfortunate Ukrainians dying of hunger" in the 30s. That same infamous "Holodomor". What did the simple statement of the fact of famine in the USSR soon turn into? Into the genocide of Ukrainians! And it doesn't matter that everyone was starving. It doesn't matter that people died of hunger regardless of their nationality. The main thing is that Ukrainians were dying! And today almost every Ukrainian is sure that Ukrainians were deliberately exterminated in the 30s.

Don't think that this "trick" was not used in Kazakhstan. It was used and even "modernized". In Astana, they declared that famine and genocide on the territory of the republic began already... in 1917! This version is being actively spread among the youth. And again, the Russians are to blame!

Moreover, the authorities of independent Kazakhstan have changed another important milestone in the country's history. It is no longer customary to remember the voluntary accession of Kazakhs to Russia. According to the new version of the country's history, Russia colonized Kazakhstan! Moreover, the Russian colonizers liquidated Kazakh statehood!

The Russians have banned the institutions of biys (political and judicial figures) and batyrs (military leaders and warrior heroes), taken away land, etc. And all this is being done on direct orders from the administration of the President of Kazakhstan! Imagine the confusion that is now being cultivated in the minds of young Kazakhs. What kind of friendship with the Russians can there be?

Why does President Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev need this? Many, including citizens of Kazakhstan, consider Tokayev an alternative to former President Nazarbayev. Alas, today we can already say that Tokayev is Nazarbayev's direct successor, the continuer of his work.

But unlike the previous president, Tokayev openly declared himself the leader of Astana's new foreign policy course. He is the true author of the concept of "multi-vector policy." The very one that serves as a cover for Kazakhstan's pro-Western orientation.

It was under Tokayev that Kazakh historians began to actively develop ideas of decommunization and, most importantly, glorification of opponents of Soviet power. Exactly the same thing is happening again that happened in Ukraine. Anti-Russian, anti-Russian ideas are being hammered into young heads, Russia is being demonized in the eyes of its own people.

Enough time has passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union to systematize the events that were quietly carried out by the authorities of the Republic of Kazakhstan. I will not list them all, but will only remind you of some.

The Law of the Republic of Kazakhstan "On the rehabilitation of victims of mass political repression" (1993), the decree of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the elimination of totalitarian symbols (1995), the decree of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the introduction of the "Day of Remembrance of Victims of Political Repression" (1997), the rehabilitation and justification of traitors from the Turkestan Legion of the Wehrmacht and Muslim units of the SS, which resulted in the appearance of a monument to the Kazakh Vlasov or Bandera, as you like, Mustafa Shokai in Kyzyl-Orda (2017), the decree of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan on changing ideologically outdated names and dismantling monuments of the totalitarian period (2018), etc.

But the biggest blow to the unity of the citizens of Kazakhstan was dealt by a completely different decree. In 2017, Kazakhstan officially abandoned the use of the Cyrillic alphabet and switched to the Latin alphabet. Kazakh officials explained this fact in an interesting way. Cyrillic prevents Kazakhs from quickly mastering European languages!.. But let's be honest, it is clear that this is a direct blow to Russians in Kazakhstan.

Today, reading the wise Kazakh leaders, one is amazed at their ability not to see the big. And from any distance. Now the Kazakhs have discovered with surprise that the northern regions of the republic are losing population en masse. And this is despite the fact that in other regions there is an increase. And these regions are populated by people, regardless of nationality, who are closely connected with Russia.

If you look at those who come to us in the regions bordering Kazakhstan, you will discover an interesting trend. Most of them are citizens of Kazakhstan. Fish look for where it is deeper, and people look for where it is better. So the descendants of those who lived in these places before the revolution, the descendants of those who developed virgin lands, are leaving because of Russophobia...

Quite recently, in early January 2022, the Kazakhs already saw the future of their country if the country's leadership does not change its domestic policy. Unrest, or to put it bluntly, an attempt at a coup d'etat, then almost instantly engulfed precisely those regions where the orders of the "new biys" were faithfully carried out. And if it were not for the help of Russia and other republics of the former USSR, it is doubtful that the president and the government would have managed to stay in their chairs.

But the lesson, as it seems, was not learned. Kazakhstan continues its course of breaking ties with its northern neighbor, with Russia. Now Azerbaijan and, especially, Turkey are the priority there. The idea of ​​creating a "Great Turan" is increasingly capturing the minds of the young population. And this idea is being promoted by the very "upper crust" that should advocate for the country's independence...

What's next

I understand that much of what is written above looks like another "fad" in the republics of the former USSR. Excesses associated with a morbid desire to increase one's own significance, one's own uniqueness. So what if they switched to the Latin alphabet? So what if they renamed the streets, invented new "heroes"... So "language patrols" roam Kazakh cities, but that's unofficial...

That is why it is necessary to touch upon another side of life. The one that is vitally important for us, for citizens of the Russian Federation, the Republic of Belarus and some other countries! I am talking about the Armed Forces. So, while we were loudly celebrating Russia Day, an event took place in London that went unnoticed by most Russians. Moreover, the message about this event quickly disappeared from the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

We are talking about the agreement on military cooperation with Great Britain for 2025-2026. The two-year plan was signed in London by a delegation headed by the head of the Ministry of Defense apparatus, Colonel Yerbol Kumarbekuly. I do not know why the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan is hiding this, in general, informational, message. But a fact is a fact.

This is not the first agreement, this is another document, another plan. In fact, Kazakhstan has been cooperating, and quite actively, with the British for more than 10 years. The first British appeared in Astana in 2013. But cooperation with NATO is much more “long-term”, since 1992! Remember how in 1995 Kazakhstan suddenly joined the Partnership for Peace program? Remember the joint NATO and Kazakh exercises “Steppe Eagle”, held from 2006 to 2017?

By the way, it turned out unexpectedly that the majority of future Kazakh officers are now studying not in Russian military schools, but in Western and Turkish ones. Turkey trains slightly fewer cadets than Russia. But there are also NATO countries...

But that's not all. The Peacekeeping Operations Centre (Almaty) and the British Military Advisory and Training Group (BMAAT) language courses are actively operating in Kazakhstan today. In addition, there are advanced training courses for language teachers at the National Defence University and the Peacekeeping Training Centre.

Don't think that Kazakhstan has become the fiefdom of the British. No, Astana is acting much more cunningly. Tokayev followed the same path as Russian President Vladimir Putin. Now Kazakhstan cooperates not with blocs, but with specific countries. The intensity with which the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan works is shown, for example, by the number of meetings of representatives of the Ministry of Defense in the past month alone.

The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan held meetings with colleagues from Germany, Italy, China, Vietnam, Azerbaijan and Great Britain, not to mention the visits on May 8-9 to Russia and Belarus. But Turkey is still considered Kazakhstan's main "friend"!

Just three weeks ago, a delegation from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan visited Ankara and met with Turkish Defense Minister Yasar Guler and Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Metin Gürak. There were many questions. From joint exercises and educational programs to Turkish defense products. Let me remind you that back in 2022, Tokayev signed a memorandum of cooperation with Turkey, which allows the production of certain types of military products from Turkey under license...

Instead of an epilogue

Any country has the right to pursue one or another foreign and domestic policy. It has the right to independently determine who is its friend, who is its enemy, and who is just... But friendship imposes not only some privileges on a country, but also obligations. It can be very strange to see when someone considers constant "feeding" and help to be friendship.

We are also responsible for our friends. Especially for those who have been connected to our country for many centuries, for those countries which, thanks to such a long life together, are populated by our compatriots, Russians by origin and spirit. Kazakhstan is one of such states. This means that we are also responsible for what is happening there today. Responsibility for the future…

We have no right to throw the country into the clutches of those who will destroy it, as happened with Ukraine...

Comments

[Uncle lee]

We have no right to throw the country into the clutches of those who will destroy it, as happened with Ukraine...

They are now very "independent" and are unlikely to listen to our advice.... These are all the results of our foreign policy.

[Mars]

What policy should be pursued with them?

[Uncle lee]

As an example with Ukraine, how not to conduct...

[Mars]

How did the policy with Ukraine differ from the policy with Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan?

[Uncle lee]

Just below, comrade Turembo described everything correctly, why repeat myself...

[Mars]

So what should have been done with Ukraine?

[Uncle lee]

In 14 it was necessary to do...This has already been written about a hundred times.

[Mars]

In 2014, should Donbass have been liberated? Or all of Ukraine should have been captured? And what does politics have to do with it then? This is a purely military decision and is no different from what was made in 2022.

[Uncle lee]

Restore the legitimate power of President Yanukovych and disperse the Maidan Nazis....

[Mars]

I don’t know if it would have been possible to force the cowardly Yanukovych to return to power with bayonets, even if he himself did not want to lead the resistance in Donbass.

[Uncle lee]

Yanukovych had to be used as a symbol of legitimate power and that's all. But he was allowed to escape to Rostov, in short, the outbreak was missed...

[Mars]

So he himself did not want to be a symbol, he was afraid of the Nazis. No one would follow such a cowardly symbol.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Mars

he himself didn't want to

If you can't, we'll teach you; if you don't want to, we'll make you!

[Il'nur]

For such a coward

Like our cowards, they probably had accounts, yachts, mansions that they were afraid of losing, ours have also been drawing red lines for 3 years instead of demolishing London, Paris and other Warsaws...

[Mars]

Well, I’m not in a hurry to go to the next world, so I don’t need a nuclear war.

[Il'nur]

Well, I'm not in a hurry to go to the next world.

I am not in a hurry either, but I don't want to live for the master and in a bent position either... This is the situation that our Western "partners" want to create for us, I still remember how Thatcher and the OLBRPTs spoke about this...
But our authorities, it seems to me, can surrender the interests of Russia for personal interests...

[Mars]

So nuclear war would be better?

[Il'nur]

So nuclear war would be better?

Do you want to be a slave?
I agree with Putin in his statement: "Why do we need such a world if Russia won't be there?", but I don't agree with its implementation.

"When choosing between shame and war, if you choose shame, you will get both shame and war"...
We are in this state..

[Mars]

Have NATO occupied us? Or have your constitutional rights been violated?

[Il'nur]

Have NATO occupied us?

If the opponent has nothing to say, then he answers the question with a question...
Here's a question for you:
Do you want to be occupied by NATO and do you want to be a slave?

[Mars]

I don't know why you consider yourself a slave. Are there any signs that you are a slave? Or do you live in Ukraine?

[Vic Vic]

Are you blind, deaf, illiterate? Are you interested in past and present history? Don't you see what's going on around us and in the world in general?
Will you only see the light when we are physically occupied? (And will you go to serve the occupiers if you are alive?)

[Mars]

I don't understand what kind of panic this is? Why are you hysterical?

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: Mars

Have NATO occupied us? Or have your constitutional rights been violated?

hello not yet but the day is not far off when NATO will put us in the beaver pose

[Mars]

They tried to do this more than once, but they always got a beating. Hitler and Napoleon won't let you lie.

[Vic Vic]

The question is incorrectly put. You, apparently, are happy to live at any price, just to live. That's how you become a traitor.
You need to think about how to defeat the enemy and only then will you live or die.

[Mars]

Do you also consider yourself a slave?

[Vic Vic]

Nobody is in a hurry. Only if in war you think first of all about how to stay alive yourself, and not about how to destroy the enemy, then this is a sure defeat.
In some cases, the destruction of the enemy is already a victory in itself, regardless of any other factors.

[Watchmen - North]

Yanukovych was stirring up a terminal in Crimea with China - they gave the order and off we go - on one side - "everything will be Ukraine", on the other - "peace to Russia"... all this slop is prepared in the same kitchen according to the same recipe. The main thing is to prove to the fools that they are great, and that the communists offended them...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Mars

So what should have been done with Ukraine?

There was no need to click your beak. A curmudgeon pays many times for his curmudgeonliness... It was possible to buy the entire former Ukrainian SSR for three hundred billion dollars. Which were given to the West... They themselves would have killed off their own Jewish Nazis... for this money and gone in the direction that both we and they needed.

[Mars]

USAID has spent billions of dollars on the opposition in Russia and Belarus for years, but there are no results. Even in small Georgia they are a complete failure.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Mars

USAID has spent billions of dollars on the opposition in Russia and Belarus for years, but there are no results. Even in small Georgia they are a complete failure.

So they gave too little and to the wrong people. Georgia was bought from the guts. Then it became unnecessary. Russia is not a size that can be bought. It is not for sale. We Russians do everything ourselves. We ourselves destroy to the ground, and then ... rise from the ashes ...

[Aviator_]

Even in small Georgia they are in complete disarray.

The war in Sumeria and the remaining brains of the Georgians helped. And the lesson of the five-day war, won by the forces of the 58th Army (Marshal Taburetkin had nothing to do with this at all).

[MBRSS]

Quote: 30 vis

A stingy person pays many times for his stinginess... It was possible to buy the entire former Ukrainian SSR for three hundred billion dollars

+100 I think there would be enough change for Moldova and Lithuania.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: MBRBS

Quote: 30 vis

A stingy person pays many times for his stinginess... It was possible to buy the entire former Ukrainian SSR for three hundred billion dollars

+100 I think there would be enough change for Moldova and Lithuania.

And a little bit about Estonia...

[Aviator_]

It was possible to buy the entire former Ukrainian SSR for three hundred billion dollars.

Absolutely right. The top of the Crimean Tatar Mejlis was bought for a much smaller sum, and they haven't stunk in Crimea since 2014.

[Vovavvs]

Kinder Surprise is being forced upon them by the nuclear power plant

[dmi.pris1]

What policy? To offer something better than the West can offer. But we can't, because we ourselves don't have anything better. Talk about unity, common history - doesn't count. It's no longer perceived. And in reality - only a policy of peaceful coexistence, and in no case to teach "how to live"

[MBRSS]

Quote: Staver

We win only when we stop being different, different in nationality

Quote: Staver

We win when we all become Russian.

TWENTY-FIVE AGAIN! Well, they don't want to become Russian! Now if I were to force (or convince) you to become, for example, a Kazakh, so that you would be happy (according to the version of the one forcing you), what would you answer?
There is no need to foist the "Russian world" on everyone around us; we need a completely different foreign policy, which the Kremlin, it seems, is simply incapable of! What kind of policy? Here we need to study the experience of other countries whose "soft power" is more effective than Russia's.

[Vic Vic]

"to become Russian/Kazakh" does not mean to change into national clothes and other external attributes. Rather, it is a commonality of views on the surrounding world, history and one's future.

[Olga Taschilina]

Quote: Uncle Lee

We have no right to throw the country into the clutches of those who will destroy it, as happened with Ukraine...

They are now very "independent" and are unlikely to listen to our advice.... These are all the results of our foreign policy.

We can do nothing anymore. The Kazakhs are so-called carried away. This is especially noticeable among their migrants, who speak pure Russian, which is a great help to them in the matter of deceiving the Russians. They know that the Russians, unlike them, are responsive to others' misfortunes. Speculation on this topic is huge and very shameless. Many have been deceived. That is why the issue of introducing fingerprinting for migrants was assessed as the introduction of visas. They are all crooks, everyone here stole and cheated. Many left their fingerprints at the places of their crimes. No one wants to answer.

[Stas157]

Any country has the right to pursue one or another foreign and domestic policy.

Who in the world thinks so? And where does this happen?

This multi-vector and multi-polarity has brought us to where we are now. Before 2022, they also believed that Ukraine had the right to do whatever it wanted. So what?

[UAZ 452]

Until 2022? In 2014, Crimea was taken away from Ukraine, and that was the point of no return. The most important thing, which is no longer very clear, is why Russia needed it in the first place. At that time, they explained that otherwise our Black Sea Fleet would be kicked out of there, but in light of the complete uselessness it has demonstrated now, and the fact that it itself has fled from Sevastopol, this would have done more good than harm to the Russian Federation.
The US was smart enough not to invade France when De Gaulle pulled it out of NATO. And nothing happened - they came back after some time. The same with Ukraine - they should have let them have a Maidan, let off some steam, and it is quite possible that the insane people who always come to power right after revolutions would have been replaced by more pragmatic people with whom it would be possible to negotiate. In any case, the situation today would have been much better than in our post-Crimean reality.

[Nastia makarova]

I understand that you are against the fact that Crimea was taken away?

[UAZ 452]

As in most cases any half-hearted decision, this was extremely unfortunate. Either it was not necessary to recognize the government that came to power as a result of the Maidan coup, consider Yanukovych president, provide him with any assistance, ignore Poroshenko and other post-Maidan leaders, considering them usurpers. Or admit defeat in that round, and start work in the Ukrainian direction from scratch. Most likely, the Maidan authorities, unable to solve the internal problems of the country, as a result of another Maidan lost power even faster than they gained it.
But they decided to grab a "consolation prize" in the form of Crimea, and in general they did something incomprehensible in Donbass - it seems they had not included it in the Russian Federation for 8 years, they supported it, but not officially, but "they are not there". The Poroshenko government was shown in the media as anti-people (anti-Ukrainian), but they recognized it, did business with it. And thus they gave the Maidan government the opportunity to unite the people (the same Ukrainian people that do not exist and never existed) on the basis of opposition to an external enemy, to strengthen and become stronger, to enlist international assistance. As a result, even the notorious "consolation prize" is now under threat, and as a base for the Black Sea Fleet it has completely lost its significance. Incidentally, as has the Black Sea Fleet itself.
Can you substantiate your position? After all, I understood correctly - you think that everything was done correctly in 2014? Probably, everything is going according to plan now, because the same people are making decisions as 11 years ago, right?

[Oldrover]

There was no need to make half-hearted decisions, the annexation of Crimea was caused by the unconstitutional seizure of power in Ukraine, and that was what we had to stand on, Yanukovych is the legitimate president, all the others are illegitimate, and not recognize Poroshenko. And in exchange for recognition, it was possible to demand Ukraine's recognition of the new borders.
With the DPR and LPR, it’s just a failure, when they held referendums and turned to Russia, what did Putin say? He said something like “negotiate with Kiev,” that is, in essence, he gave Kyiv at least the moral right to continue to conduct the ATO.
I think when Putin leaves, many of the results of his rule will be reconsidered in Russia, and from a great geostrategist-chess player he will quickly transform into a ruler who made a lot of mistakes.

[Oldrover]

In my opinion, it was necessary to do the same with the DPR and LPR as with Crimea, a referendum and inclusion in the composition, then there would be neither ATO nor a sluggish conflict, or not to participate in that conflict, to withdraw all the activists, and in four years the pendulum would inevitably swing in the pro-Russian direction, since as we know Poroshenko did not solve a single problem that the population expected from him and as a result a crushing defeat in the elections, despite the support of the USA and the EU.

[UAZ 452]

If it were not for the actions in Crimea and the LPR and DPR, the pendulum called Ukraine would have swung towards Russia, without a doubt, and quite quickly. It was the presence of a hotbed of military action in Donbass, and the blow to the Little Russian ego (they took Crimea away from us!) that allowed the Maidan authorities to hold on and strengthen, replacing (a common political technology technique. We also adore it) the domestic agenda with opposition to an external threat.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: UAZ 452

If it weren’t for the actions in Crimea and the LPR and DPR, the pendulum called Ukraine would have swung towards Russia without a doubt.

Are you delirious? Nationalists took power in the former! And that's it.

[UAZ 452]

Nationalism in a multinational country, such as the USSR was, such as the Russian Federation is, is the main threat to the existence of such a country, which is why nationalism was demonized and stigmatized throughout the Soviet period, and quite rightly so. Nationalism in a mononational (mostly mononational, or simply proclaiming itself as such) country is its internal affair, which does not concern anyone outside of this country.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: UAZ 452

If it weren’t for the actions in Crimea and the LPR and DPR, the pendulum called Ukraine would have swung towards Russia without a doubt, and quite quickly.

It wouldn't have swayed. Our drivers don't have and haven't had the skills or the desire to change anything in Russia.

[UAZ 452]

So, with such initial assumptions, the SVO will not change anything for the better. Certainly not for Russia.

[Evlokh]

To the root! Everyone is running away from us because 30 years ago the "Chubaisites" robbed Russians and 90% of material goods went to 10% of the "elite"!!! And the "leaders" have big interests abroad and do not want to change anything.
If we don’t get out of the Chubais-Yeltsin rut, the collapse of the country will continue....

[MBRSS]

Quote: Oldrover

In my opinion, it was necessary to do the same with the DPR and LPR as with Crimea, a referendum and inclusion in the composition,

and in my opinion, Crimea was included in the composition too quickly. First, a friendly Novorossiya should have been created on the basis of Crimea, then other regions of Ukraine would have been drawn to it, and in the distant future - USSR-2 or RI-2. So there would have been no "annexations", and everything would be clean!

[Evgeny_4]

The same is true for the residents of the DPR and LDPR. Even before the military operation.
Whoever wants to be in Russia and with Russia, please move to the Russian Federation. Citizenship, financial assistance, preferences, jobs. Maybe to the detriment of Russian citizens.
But the losses in the financial, military and reputational spheres were not as great as they are now.
If only they had done it that way back then. If you want to be a citizen of the Russian Federation (with some bonuses), welcome. If you don't, it's your choice. Ukraine itself will decide what to do in these territories.
Moreover, there are 3 million people in two republics. And these people are almost all Russian. These are the same working hands.
And now we spend more money every year on hordes of migrants.

[MBRSS]

Quote: UAZ 452

In 2014, Crimea was taken away from Ukraine, and this was the point of no return.

That Crimea was taken away from Ukraine is right, because SUCH Ukraine did not deserve Crimea, and the Crimeans themselves have always been for returning to Russia.
But in my opinion, they rushed to include Crimea into the Russian Federation. First, they had to conclude a military-political alliance with the Republic of Crimea, which would have become the "bait" for an independent Novorossiya.

[Olga Taschilina]

Quote: UAZ 452

In any case, the situation today would be much better than in our post-Crimean reality.

For whom is it better? For you? But not for Russia and not for the people of Crimea. Russia is getting its own back. The Ukrainians, and not only them, acted like thieves who were invited to a house for dinner: they considered it possible to take with them the spoons and forks with which they ate when leaving the master's house. The Ukrainians wanted to live in peace, and when leaving the USSR they had to leave Crimea and Novorossiya to Russia. And that's the very least. You can't drag someone else's things with you to your "happy faraway place." The residents of Crimea and Novorossiya do not see their "happy faraway place" within the borders of Ukraine and with the population of the geographical and humanitarian outskirts. Not at all.

[ZloyCat]

"The Ukrainians wanted to live in peace, leaving the USSR they had to leave Crimea and Novorossiya to Russia. And that's the minimum"
For Ukraine to leave something, Russia, at a minimum, should have demanded it. But no, they tore the country apart, rushed to divide it up by pockets. Take the same aunt - they simply drew a border along the street - half for the xox, half for us. There was no time to define the borders - they wanted to eat, quickly and more, and for free. And they didn't think about the corridor to the Kaliningrad region, and they didn't present the Kazakhs with the territories given to them by the Bolsheviks, and they didn't remember about the Russians in all these sultanates and many other things. There was no time.

[UAZ 452]

You are absolutely right. The Russian Federation originated from the RSFSR, whose top brass were the main group of separatists during the late USSR. Their main goal was to get their hands on the USSR property located on the territory of the Russian Federation after its separatist secession. Initially, they didn't care about what was left on the territory of other republics. It was only later, when everything they had was divided up and it wasn't enough, that they developed an appetite for the tasty morsels left in other fragments of the former Union. The psychology of a gentleman is like that - you always want to cut up your own estates, and there are never enough people for corvee and quitrent.

[Revolver]

Quote: UAZ 452

with Ukraine - they would have let them have a Maidan, let off some steam, it is quite possible that the insane people who always come to power immediately after revolutions have been replaced by more pragmatic people with whom it is possible to negotiate.

Ukrainianism of the brain is incurable. Only euthanasia, and the correct way is by hanging.

[UAZ 452]

Dr. Goebbels would agree with you completely - that is what he recommended to do with non-Aryan races.

[Colleague]

In 2014, Crimea was not “taken away”, but rather helped to break away and taken under protection!
And you still "don't understand why"?! And in connection with the US planning major repairs to introduce its military establishments and bases, with the subsequent threat of the breakaway of the Russian Federation from the Black Sea, have you seen?!

It seems that you and others like you are still close to and tormented by one question: "Why does Russia need such a large territory?"...

And this:

let us Maidan, let off steam, ... In any case, - the situation ... would be much better than in our, post-Crimean, reality

- this is simply "night blindness", if not sabotage.

In that case, they already "let us Maidan" once, in 2004!
So what, did they agree?! And everything could have been decided back then, if they had supported Donbass in Kyiv. With a high degree of probability, then the split of the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR into two parts would have happened earlier and more painlessly.

Incorrectly placed accents lead to incorrectly chosen priorities, and the latter lead to large-scale strategic errors. This is what this article warns about in terms of the territories of the former republics.

[Vic Vic]

Wow, "they took Crimea away."
If you have such an idea of ​​the situation, then I wouldn’t be surprised if you actually collaborate with the enemy.

[UAZ 452]

There are people who can cooperate with the enemy without me. Until last year, they directly financed Ukraine, paying for the transit of our gas. And now they regularly supply Ukraine's allies with raw materials for the production of weapons for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which they use to kill our soldiers. But people like you, with a TV in your head, are quite satisfied with the explanation that we need this money for our military-industrial complex.
And why did the term "taken away" offend you so much? Well, replace it with "liberated", in the new Russian language these are synonyms. By the way, I do not at all think that taking something away by force is unacceptable under any circumstances. But before doing this, at least make sure that you really have this force.
Let's talk about my understanding of the situation again, after you search the Internet to find out which countries have recognized Crimea as Russian. If you have problems finding information, I'll give you a hint - several leaders of countries have recognized this at the rhetorical level, but not a single one has officially recognized it. Even Lukashenko hasn't recognized it, even the North Korean Foreign Ministry hasn't issued any official document recognizing the changes to the borders of the Russian Federation. It's no coincidence that parts of the North Korean army fought only in the Kursk region. So the whole world, including absolutely all official allies of our country, including all members of the CSTO - from your point of view, are they enemies of Russia? Even the Belarusians, with whom we are supposedly in the same union state?

[Vic Vic]

That you justify your position by the position of other countries regarding Crimea. For me, Crimea has always been ours. And in the situation with the collapse of the USSR and the loss of territories, the temporary loss of Crimea was the most unacceptable.
And opinions, even "of the whole world" do not matter. If you are suddenly told that your parents are not your parents, and your children are not your children, and you are not you, and even the papers show that all the neighbors confirm this, you will probably agree.

[UAZ 452]

Arguments have run out, emotional slogans have begun? Then the discussion has ceased to have any meaning.
But finally, I will say: if you proceed from the position that Crimea is Russian because it was transferred to Ukraine from the RSFSR, then the problem must be perceived as a whole - whoever came into the Union with what, must leave with what. And by the way, I fully agree, if not with the legal legitimacy, then at least with the fairness of this principle. But here's the question: why doesn't this principle apply to Taganrog, which was transferred from the USS to the RSFSR? Why not discuss Ivangorod and Pechory - at the time of joining the USSR, these territories belonged to Estonia? However, what am I talking about - these arguments appeal to reason, and if emotions prevail in you, then I am simply wasting my time on you.

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: UAZ 452

Until 2022? In 2014, Crimea was taken away from Ukraine, and that was the point of no return. The most important thing, which is no longer very clear, is why Russia needed it in the first place. At that time, they explained that otherwise our Black Sea Fleet would be kicked out of there, but in light of the complete uselessness it has demonstrated now, and the fact that it itself has fled from Sevastopol, this would have done more good than harm to the Russian Federation.
The US was smart enough not to invade France when De Gaulle pulled it out of NATO. And nothing happened - they came back after some time. The same with Ukraine - they should have let them have a Maidan, let off some steam, and it is quite possible that the insane people who always come to power right after revolutions would have been replaced by more pragmatic people with whom it would be possible to negotiate. In any case, the situation today would have been much better than in our post-Crimean reality.

hello give them time to let off steam and they will change their attitude it wouldn't work because Ukrainians are pure blood Russians and Russians don't just refuse anything

[turembo]

So it is not us who are abandoning, but us. No one really asks us about our ability to conduct foreign policy, you can clearly see it in the example of Ukraine, how this country from more or less friendly turned into openly hostile, and now we understand perfectly well that all this could have been prevented at one time. But all the possibilities were flushed down the drain, and we ourselves are outraged that our neighbors are flirting with different countries, but are doing the same thing, there is no internal core in the country's policy. Therefore, we are not considered a partner, but a fellow traveler from whom you can screw, and in the end screw again by stabbing a knife in the back. Well, the collapse of the union created an extremely favorable ideological ground for such machinations, due to the lack of ideology and courses within the countries, the vacuum was filled with one ideology - nationalism, and somewhere even outright fascism, and we ourselves are no exception.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote from turembo

So it is not us who are abandoning, but us. No one really asks us about the ability to conduct foreign policy, you can see it perfectly in the example of Ukraine, how this country turned from more or less friendly into openly hostile, and now we understand perfectly well that all this could have been prevented at one time.

So what should we do? Here and now?

[ASSAD1]

The author did not mention China, which has a huge influence on Kazakhstan. And what does the author suggest? How and with what can we influence our neighbor? Another SVO? The entire Muslim world will stand against us. This way we can lose everything.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: ASSAD1

The entire Muslim world will stand against us.

Why is that? Because he sees it that way as an artist? And many Muslim countries have stood up against Israel, for example? What is there to lose? An uncontrolled flow of low-skilled migrant workers and other radical Islamists? A flow of heroin from Afghanistan?

[AA17]

... due to the lack of ideology and courses within countries, the vacuum was filled with one ideology - nationalism, and in some places even outright fascism, and we ourselves are no exception.

Fully agree with you.

The author of the article, respectfully, says: ".... This means that we also bear responsibility for what is happening there today. Responsibility for the future...
We have no right to throw the country into the clutches of those who will destroy it, as happened with Ukraine..."

What opportunities does the Russian Federation have to avoid "throwing the country into the clutches of those who will destroy it"?

There are 2 options - "carrot and stick". (Both options are unrealistic in the current situation)
Knut - Conducting SVO in northern Kazakhstan.
Gingerbread - Offer... What can the Russian Federation offer the Republic of Kazakhstan to "turn away" from England?

Russia has a third option - to strengthen and develop its country, and then its neighbors will themselves be drawn to the Russian Federation.

“To slow down means to fall behind. And those who fall behind are beaten. But we don’t want to be beaten. No, we don’t want to! The history of old Russia consisted, among other things, in the fact that it was continually beaten for its backwardness. The Mongol khans beat it. The Turkish beys beat it. The Swedish feudal lords beat it. The Polish-Lithuanian lords beat it. The Anglo-French capitalists beat it. The Japanese barons beat it. Everyone beat it – for backwardness. For military backwardness, for cultural backwardness, for state backwardness, for industrial backwardness, for agricultural backwardness. They beat it because it was profitable and could be done with impunity… Such is the law of exploiters – to beat the backward and the weak. The wolfish law of capitalism. You have fallen behind, you are weak – that means you are wrong, therefore, you can be beaten and enslaved. You are powerful - that means you are right, therefore, we must beware of you... Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and lose its independence? But if you do not want this, you must eliminate its backwardness in the shortest possible time and develop real Bolshevik tempos in the matter of building its socialist economy. There are no other ways. That is why Lenin said on the eve of October: "Either death, or catch up with and overtake the advanced capitalist countries." We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must cover this distance in ten years. Either we do this, or we will be crushed" ... https://worldwar2.aif.ru/02-my-otstali.html

[dmi.pris1]

It is because of articles like this author's and many others like them that hatred towards neighbors develops and nationalism matures. We must take care of our country, make the lives of our people better. And neighbors will see that they have order, good prosperity, and we must follow their example. And when they see the majority of the population embittered, what should they do?

[ZloyCat]

"And when they see the majority of the population embittered, what should they do, what should they do?"
exactly what they are doing now - choosing more prosperous countries as an example and homage

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, and they also understand that they are not on the same path with their embittered neighbor. That is approximately how the situation with Ukraine developed. We ourselves need to look in the mirror.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Vladimir-TTT

So what to do?

First, strengthen the border. And then we'll see.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: antiaircrafter

First, strengthen the border. And then we'll see.

How? To put out a call and collect money with the help of volunteers to strengthen the border? Or some other way?
After all, you only quoted a part, in full:
So what should we do? Here and now?

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Vladimir-TTT

To us, here and now?

We do nothing, because we are not authorized.

Quote: Vladimir-TTT

How so?

There was an opinion here - to recreate the border troops of the USSR State Security Committee. It makes sense to start with this not very well-equipped section of the border.

[AdAstra]

In order to recreate the KGB Border Troops of the USSR, we first need to recreate the USSR itself. Something like that. And here is the question - when will we start rebuilding the USSR?

[antiaircrafter]

Quote from AdAstra

When will we start recreating the USSR?

There are few truly violent ones...
There are no leaders! (c)

[AdAstra]

Go for it, we'll support you! "" ""

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: antiaircrafter

We do nothing, because we are not authorized.

And the authorized representatives (elected by us) do not want to do anything (and/or cannot)?

[antiaircrafter]

I can't help you here. I haven't asked yet.

[dmi.pris1]

I agree about the border. Now what's next... Are we really going to have a blast?.. Haven't had enough yet?

[antiaircrafter]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Shall we really have a drink?

No, that's unnecessary. We will maintain armed neutrality.

[dmi.pris1]

Absolutely right. But where should we put these stavers who are spreading hatred towards our neighbors?

[UAZ 452]

So what should we do? Here and now?

At least stop striking a pose of insulted innocence. The current Russian Federation is not the successor of the USSR, it is the successor of that same RSFSR, which played the first violin in the collapse of the Union, when its parliament adopted the Declaration of State Sovereignty on June 12, 1990, turning the Union into a fiction, to which from that moment on not even its own capital, its own government buildings belonged. And we still celebrate this day as the main state holiday! And if the Russian Federation is not the successor of the USSR, then the claims to the inheritance of the Russian Empire look even more far-fetched. That Russian Empire, which for all 70 years of the existence of the USSR was rinsed in all textbooks as a prison of nations and a strangler of progress and freedom. Even the school literature curriculum selected works of classics in which that period was depicted in the darkest possible light. And now they are outraged that the history textbooks of the former republics adhere to absolutely the same approach? And at the same time we ourselves are changing our textbooks at a breakneck pace, erasing from them the very words "Ukraine", "Kievan Rus". Double standards in all their glory.

[Il'nur]

using Ukraine as an example, about how this country turned from more or less friendly into openly hostile, and now we understand perfectly well that all this could have been prevented at one time

This under-land called Ukraine, from the day of its so-called "independence", as the author pointed out in the article, began to build a hostile policy towards Russia, and was never friendly, and we could not prevent this in any way, because our authorities saw only the transit component and material benefit in the relationship with this under-land...

[Olga Taschilina]

Quote from turembo

Well, the collapse of the union created extremely favorable ideological ground for such machinations, due to the lack of ideology and courses within the countries, the vacuum was filled with one ideology - nationalism, and in some places even outright fascism, and we ourselves are no exception.

Unfortunately, you are mistaken, Russia is an exception to the general rule of Russophobic republics. Yesterday's dependent republics are today Russophobic republics that have imagined themselves to be great, unable to feed their population and driving this insolent, impudent rabble to Russia, again to the hated Russians.
Why is Russia an exception? Find at least one of these republics, in the top positions, an ethnic Russian. There were none even in Soviet times (the republics developed ethnic personnel and the path to the top was closed to Russians). Why is Russia an exception? Because in Russia, very often in high positions and positions there are people who have no relation to Russia, or to Russians, or to the indigenous nationalities of Russia. Half of the Duma has no relation to Russia. These are Asians and Transcaucasians, often Americans (and what can you call people with dual citizenship?), English, French, Germans. A Kazakh at the head of the largest faction, which runs all affairs in Russia. Jews with dual citizenship and children, citizens of the USA, Great Britain, France. Where do you see such things in the republics that are present in Russia? Nowhere. There are no Russians at the head of the security forces anywhere in the republics. In Russia, the presence of foreigners in the security forces is very common. Russia's biggest shortcoming is that it has never become a national republic, and if it tries to return its population and its ancestral lands, the squeals of yesterday's Soviet parasites begin, having received these lands and this population without any rights to them.

[Anglorussian]

Kazakhs (all of them) need to watch the British film "Borat" to find out what people think of them here.
By the way, it is prohibited in Kazakhstan.

[parma]

Excuse me, but what is the purpose of these "facts from my head" now? The satire "Borat" was never banned in Kazakhstan, read something on this topic, moreover - the Ambassador of Kazakhstan to the UK thanked the creators, because the number of tourists has increased many times over, because sensible people know how to separate funny (although this is a matter of taste) satire from reality, but at least they learn about the country. The film itself was spread throughout the CIS with quotes like "the king of the palace", "naitsa" and "pain in my hole 3adnitsa" ... and if you check out other films by this director-screenwriter-actor - they are all children's satire, where in general the main characters are idiots regardless of citizenship or nationality, in his films both Jews and British are the same (by the way, he has more films about them), although he himself is a British Jew.
Regarding the article and the situation with the CIS itself - we have lost all our soft power, we have essentially offered a choice between Western markets with huge amounts of money or friendship with Russia, where neighbors are treated as people of N-th grade...

[Anglorussian]

In 2006, Borat was banned in Kazakhstan, they even planned to sue.

[parma]

Can you confirm this? Here is an article where a thank you quote would fit…
https://www.gazeta.ru/culture/news/2012/04/23/n_2308861.shtml?ysclid=mceegsr2se626564529

[Anglorussian]

Wikipedia can confirm.

[parma]

Wikipedia is a very unreliable source, the "Caesar salad war" or the scandal with the Scottish version (when articles were written by a teenager, mangling English words) will not let you lie. But even there now the following is written about "Borat":
"The film's distribution was not officially banned in Kazakhstan itself. But the press secretary of the Kazakh Foreign Ministry expressed hope that "distribution companies will show responsibility and will not show this film"[25].
However, almost immediately the reaction to the film gradually began to change. In an interview on October 18, 2006, First Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan Rakhat Aliyev called on Kazakhs to "have a sense of humor and respect other people's freedom of creativity" and also stated that Sacha Baron Cohen's activities are not within the sphere of responsibility and interests of the Kazakh government[26].
Kazakhstan's ambassador to the UK, Erlan Idrissov, wrote a new article in the Times, saying that "Kazakhs owe a debt of gratitude to Sacha Cohen, who not only made many of us laugh heartily, but also brought Kazakhstan into the spotlight."
Well, the funniest thing is that Wikipedia does not indicate that at an international competition, during the awards ceremony, instead of the Kazakh anthem, they played the fictitious anthem from Borat, and even then the government's reaction was more than favorable.

[Anglorussian]

Compared to the VO forum, Wikipedia is reinforced concrete By the way, the anthem is mentioned there.

[Майло]

The quotes you provided are clearly not the most common.
As we see it, the most popular one is "not very")))[media=http://]

[Village]

Kazakhs (all of them) need to watch the British film "Borat"

On "our" (in quotes, because I'm not sure if it's ours) Kinopoisk is full of Kazakh films. In the last couple of years, films have appeared even without Russian dubbing. And the plots of these films perfectly reflect the mood of the youth living there. There is no mention of Russia, it's expensive and rich to live, go to study and work in Gayrope.

[Anglorussian]

Kazakhstan is Europe Soon they will be putting cauldrons on their heads.

[UAZ 452]

No mention of Russia, it’s expensive and rich to live, go study and work in Europe.

And in every Russian film, is Kazakhstan mentioned? And the real attitudes of Russian youth are very different from those of Kazakhstan?
No, with grants from the budget, our directors will churn out at least a hundred films for you, where Russian young men and women from morning till night are all in thoughts - how to benefit the Motherland, knocking on the doors of military registration and enlistment offices, bombarding them with requests to send them to the SVO... But who will go to watch such films?

[Same lech]

What worries me most is Kazakhstan's conclusion of a comprehensive military agreement with Britain.
This means that the British will brainwash the Kazakhs, who will study in British military institutions and from there they will produce ready-made Russophobes armed with military knowledge against us.
This is a real threat to our national security... I hope the Kremlin doesn't miss the moment when Kazakhstan turns into another Ukraine.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

This is a real threat to our national security... I hope the Kremlin doesn't miss the moment when Kazakhstan turns into another Ukraine.

On the contrary, they will push. Like Ukraine in 2014.

[Same lech]

And Russia's borders in this direction are open... just imagine if enemy drones start pouring into the depths of Russia from there... it will be bad...

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

And Russia's borders in this direction are open... just imagine if enemy drones start pouring into the depths of Russia from there... it will be bad...

So what to do? Here, in VO, and now?
There is a practice of fighting diseases.
1. First, you have to admit that the disease exists.
2. Then find out what kind of disease it is.
3. Where did it come from and what are its features.
4. What to do to cure.
5. Get vaccinated against subsequent infection.

So, according to point 1, we have the government that we elected. That is, not only the top of our country is "sick", but also the society itself, which chose this "disease".

[Same lech]

Quote: Vladimir-TTT

What to do? Here, in VO, and now?

What should I do...if I start speaking directly, they might put me in jail with Strelkov.
But to generalize the issue... the country's resources are not where they are needed and are concentrated in the hands of people with a dubious reputation, and it will not be possible to quickly correct the situation without bloodletting.
So it's better not to radicalize your questions. ...you'll be healthier.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

What should I do...if I start speaking directly, they might put me in jail with Strelkov.

Why not use legal methods prescribed in the constitution - the same elections. Of course, there are still five years ahead, but I am not sure that the SVO will end during this time, and a new one will not begin.
According to the recent elections, the number of people who voted for the incumbent and the number of people who did not go to the polls constituted that same majority, close to 90% - and this is not according to official data.
So, we haven’t even tried to use completely legal ways to correct the situation yet...

[Same lech]

Have tried ... I voted for Svyatoslav Fyodorov in the second term...but then a half-dead Yeltsin came onto the stage...danced and won the elections.
That's when I realized that there is a problem with legal methods in Russia... the administrative resource of the current government is a powerful force.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

That's when I realized that there is a problem with legal methods in Russia... the administrative resource of the current government is a powerful force.

So far, the majority supports the current government.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

We tried... smile voted for Svyatoslav Fyodorov in his second term... but then a half-dead Yeltsin came out on stage... danced and won the elections.

And you didn't go to the elections anymore?

[Same lech]

I went and wanted to vote against everyone... but then they introduced an addition to the elections... the sly ones... they removed the "Against everyone" column.
So to speak, the people were left with no choice...
So, vote or not...only those who are supposed to get into power will get into power...inconvenient candidates will be eliminated at the stage of preparation for the elections.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

...but then they introduced an addition to the elections...the sly ones...they removed the "Against all" column.

So what? Voted for any other candidate - and now it's not "against all" (by the way, an absolutely idiotic column, IMHO) but against the specific incumbent.

[UAZ 452]

After the appearance on the stage of electronic voting, the software for which is developed by order of the Central Election Commission, to the certification and verification of which people from outside will never have access, it is better not to remember the objectivity and impartiality of electoral procedures in the country in decent company. If the referendum in the Zaporizhzhya region was successfully held without having control over the territory where two thirds of its population lived, then any expression of the will of the Russian people, for a given result, can be ensured without any stress.

[Vladimir-TTT]

So far, an independent check (through an independent survey) gives a result very close to the official one.
I don’t know if it’s possible to write an article here on VO with a survey – who behaved how in the elections on 24 – it would be interesting to see.

[UAZ 452]

Personally, I gave pluses to all candidates. No worse than voting against everyone. And before that, I was among the signatories for Nadezhdin.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Played for Putin in fact. And the fact that everyone - to console a little their conscience, which turned out to be more honest than you yourself.

[UAZ 452]

Well, tell me - how was it necessary? That is - how did you act?

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: UAZ 452

That is, how did you act?

I voted against Putin - that is, for some other candidate, I don’t remember now.
Before that, on one of the Internet sites where I know many people in real life, I took part in a survey about who plans to vote and how.
After the elections, a survey was conducted there to find out who "celebrated" the elections and how:
I voted for VVP - 47%
I did NOT vote - 38%
I voted for another candidate - 15%
Let's sum up the first two columns: 47+38=85% - almost as much as they showed us in the official results.

After that, already in April, on Easter, I conducted an express survey among relatives, friends and acquaintances in the Kursk region about who voted and how.
The results were significantly more in favor of Putin than on the Internet platform - more than 60% were for him.
Moreover, the majority said:
- but there's no one else anyway...
As a result, I concluded that Putin actually has more than 50% of the votes - real and solid.

And now from completely constitutional actions I see:
1. People should know that it was they who chose Putin - by their vote and by not going to the polls - I try to convey this to the widest possible circle of people.
2. Based on this - understanding and action plan for the next elections. One year has already passed - with military actions. There are 5 left and they will also pass.

[UAZ 452]

Remember how many votes there were for Putin, according to official data. 87%. In principle, even the opposition vote counts showed that he would have won, and in the first round, even if the votes had been counted honestly. But they added up to the figure handed down from above. If several times fewer voters had voted for him, they would have drawn exactly the same figure, because such an indication was given - the required percentage, or the required range was designated long before the elections, and no accidents could have occurred in principle. So what are all these proposals of yours for then? Also only to clear my own conscience - that I did not vote for what is happening now. And the result will not change in any way from this fuss in the sandbox.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: UAZ 452

If he had received several times fewer votes, they would have drawn exactly the same figure, because such an indication was given - the required percentage, or the required range was designated long before the elections, and no accidents could have occurred in principle.

This is nothing more than your assumption, since not once in these 25 years has Putin had less than 50% of the votes.
Because what will happen if Putin gets only 15% or less - we don't know. We haven't tried.
And if we listen to you - we don't even want to try. Because everything suits us.
I will say more.
A lot of "critics" like you (not necessarily you, just a tendency) are actually afraid of solving this issue.
Because they will lose the topic for such angry statements.
What is there to argue and swear about on the Internet then? What is there to prove the correctness of your opinion about?
This is the meaning of life for many people who spend time on the Internet, it will disappear.

[man]

then a half-dead Yeltsin came out on stage... danced and won the elections.
In fact, it was not Yeltsin who won, but Korzhakov, who intimidated Zyuganov...

[Same lech]

Quote: mann

In fact, it was not Yeltsin who won, but Korzhakov, who intimidated Zyuganov...

In fact, it was the US State Department advisers in Yeltsin's entourage who won...they took the most active part
participation in the creation of the Constitution of Russia with such presidential elections.
Korzhakov is a security officer, he is not a politician.
But even Korzhakov at one time understood that Yeltsin would lead Russia into the abyss with his habits... and when Yeltsin shed tears on the TV screen like "I'm leaving",
I felt a huge sense of relief that this parasite had finally detached itself from the body of the country.

[man]

Korzhakov is a security official, he is not a politician.
I know .... meant his "conversation" with Zyuganov, in which Korzhakov openly threatened both Zyuganov and the entire CPRF. It's a pity that Zyuganov chickened out and effectively refused the presidency... Then I realized that Zyuganov was not a communist at all, real communists were not afraid of any threats

[Same lech]

The Communist Party of Russia does not live up to its name due to the vote in the State Duma for anti-people laws.
It would be easier to call it a social democratic party...that would be more honest.
There are no fiery Bolsheviks and communists visible on the horizon of our politics...there are no charismatic personalities among them capable of captivating all the youth of Russia.

[man]

There are no fiery Bolsheviks and communists visible on the horizon of our politics...there are no charismatic personalities among them capable of captivating all the youth of Russia.
Alas, it is...

[man]

But even Korzhakov at one time understood that Yeltsin would lead Russia into the abyss with his habits...
When a person gets kicked, he tends to get smarter quickly

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

In fact, it was the US State Department advisers in Yeltsin's entourage who won...they took the most active part
participation in the creation of the Constitution of Russia with such presidential elections.

So today's "I'm tired, I'm leaving" is also their doing?

[Same lech]

Quote: Vladimir-TTT

So today's "I'm tired, I'm leaving" is also their doing?

As a consequence... The base was created by liberals led by Americans.
In Yeltsin and his team, US advisers found a man who would advance their interests in Russia...remember the unforgettable Mr. "Yes" Kozyrev...a traitor of the purest water turned out to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs...he did everything on his own initiative in order to sell out Russia.
But the moment came when the appetite of the Russian bourgeoisie grew and the Americans found themselves pushed away from the free trough of Russia’s resources.
Putin clearly told them there would be no free candy and the US and EU did not like it...an irreconcilable contradiction arose between the bourgeoisie of different countries...the Anglo-Saxons' prey ran away.
In general, the classic Capital according to Marx and this same Engels.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Putin clearly told them there would be no free candy and the US and EU did not like it...

Where and when? Putin was appointed by Yeltsin (and apparently by someone else) and continues his work. Yeltsin-centers are built)))

[UAZ 452]

and when Yeltsin shed a tear on the TV screen like "I'm leaving",
I felt a huge sense of relief that this parasite had finally detached itself from the body of the country.

But at the same time, he successfully transferred power to his chosen heir.

[man]

Of course, there are still five years ahead, but I am not sure that the SVO will end during this time, and a new one will not begin.
Excuse me, but you have a tongue!... You know how to make people happy... with your "optimistic" forecasts...

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: mann

Sorry, but you have a tongue!... You know how to make people happy... with your "optimistic" forecasts.... sad

What do you want? You chose this fate yourself in 2024, in March.
That's why we need to think about future elections in advance, and not bury our heads in the sand "I won't go to the elections."

[man]

Quote: Vladimir-TTT

Quote: mann

Sorry, but you have a tongue!... You know how to make people happy... with your "optimistic" forecasts.... sad

What do you want? You chose this fate yourself in 2024, in March.
That's why we need to think about future elections in advance, and not bury our heads in the sand "I won't go to the elections."

You see, besides a few different reasons... I'm also not sure that the new president will be better than Putin...

[UAZ 452]

This means that the British will brainwash the Kazakhs, who will study in British military institutions and from there they will produce ready-made Russophobes armed with military knowledge against us.

During all post-Soviet decades, Kazakhs have been trained in military academies in the Russian Federation. If we don't know how to "brainwash" (in a good sense), if we haven't succeeded in cultivating Russophilia and loyalty to our country in the future elite of Kazakhstan, then who is to blame? If Great Britain succeeds in this, it means they are simply smarter, more competitive than us. And this will be a fact of objective reality.

[Olga Taschilina]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

...it's as if the Kremlin didn't miss the moment when Kazakhstan turns into another Ukraine.

Tiny Blair received a peerage from the Queen for bringing Kazakhstan into the British stable.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Kazakhstan's conclusion of a comprehensive military agreement with Britain is worrying

Britain already signed an agreement with Kazakhstan in the early 2000s on the development and supply of secure cryptographic communications for law enforcement agencies and government agencies. Since 2006, the United States has deployed the Skyline airspace control system. And in 2013, the deployment of air defense systems manufactured by the French Thales began.
Moreover, in all leading universities of Kazakhstan, instruction is conducted exclusively in Kazakh and English.
Therefore, it is too late to say that Kazakhstan has followed the Ukrainian scenario. The Kazakhs, led by Tokayev, have already calmly and confidently built a mono-ethnic state. There is no talk of any "friendship". During the exercises, the military does not even hide the fact that they consider Russia the main threat and leak to Western intelligence all the information about Russian aviation flights to a depth of 200 to 300 km from the border, the length of which is more than 7 thousand km.

[Vladimir-TTT]

We have no right to throw the country into the clutches of those who will destroy it, as happened with Ukraine...

Again "we"... Who is "we"?
If we are talking about those commenting on VO, they have long since turned into "hataskrayniks" - supposedly, nothing depends on us, it's all "they".

[UAZ 452]

So what do you suggest we, the commentators, do? Preferably, so that we don't get jailed.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Everything is within the law. The Constitution. Go to the elections and vote.
Then, using any independent means, check how people voted and how the officials show us.
And then, depending on the results of the comparison.
There are some differences regarding the 2024 elections, but they are not very critical.
If we rely on these results - that the majority either voted for Putin or did not go to the polls - then we will need to conduct explanatory work until the next elections.
About everything being done ourselves. What we have now is the result of the people's choice.
And that by the next elections you need to know what to do.

[UAZ 452]

Then, using any independent means, check how people voted and how the officials show us.

And how do you propose to check the electronic voting system? The CEC will provide you with a piece of paper with a seal that everything is reliable, you can be sure of that. The paper will be issued by the office they have hired.
And even without electronic voting - the referendum in Zaporozhye was held in a territory where even before the SVO no more than a third of the entire region's population lived, but according to its results the ENTIRE region joined the Russian Federation. And nothing - they included it in the Constitution, everyone is happy, everyone in the country accepted the results of such an expression of will... So I do not understand your optimism about electoral procedures in our reality. Stalin's words that it does not matter how they vote, what matters is who and how they count, are more relevant than ever. And by the next elections, I will not be surprised if they expand the discrediting articles in the Criminal Code, including public doubts about the honesty and objectivity of elections, so that those wishing to check the procedure can be immediately imprisoned, taken right from the polling stations.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: UAZ 452

And how do you propose to check the electronic voting system? The CEC will provide you with a piece of paper with a seal that everything is reliable, you can be sure of that. The paper will be issued by the office they have hired.

What for?
You select a certain circle of people and conduct a survey - did they vote, and if so, for whom.
Better in real life, but it can be done online. Both are possible.
Usually, each person has a fairly large social circle.

Quote: UAZ 452

So I don’t understand your optimism about electoral procedures in our reality.

So people still live on this earth, walk on it, communicate, and even talk to each other, and not just with a smartphone.

[Nikolay Malyugin]

The "wise" Belovezhskoye Accords did not set any conditions for disunity. And if we take into account the special activity of the Ukrainian embassy on the territory of Kazakhstan, then we can understand where all this is heading. The extensive ties between Russia and Kazakhstan have been reduced to nothing. In the area of ​​public, sports, culture, TV. And this in many ways played a positive role between the two countries.

[Million]

It is not the common people who are to blame for everything, but the government representatives.
Putin and Co. have lost almost all the republics of the former USSR, and not only them.

[Azim77]

In all post-Soviet countries, there is one reason for "independence" and "multi-vectorism" - the economy. Its deplorable state gives the West the opportunity to buy the thoughts and goals of the country's citizens. Its government. The rest is adjusted to this - history, grievances, greatness, etc.

[Million]

Absolutely right. Whoever treats the girl, dances with her.

[UAZ 452]

And if Russia doesn't have much money for a treat, then the resentment and anger at the situation are understandable, but nothing can be done anyway. Of course, it is possible to "suddenly" discover Kazakh-Nazis and start SVO-2. But most likely, we will do worse to ourselves.
And the idea that we need to start working on our country before we lose what we have, to create conditions for economic growth (and not just talk about it from the rooftops), to turn the country into something that our neighbors around us will dream of joining, holding castings, and not fight off attempts to join with all our might (who is interested in becoming part of an obviously deeply unhealthy organism?). But we need to work, and not dream about greatness, we don’t like that.

[Million]

Yes, they will always be drawn to the strong.

[UAZ 452]

This is a sociological law that originates from a similar biological law. M is right, although the weak will always whine and complain about their fate. It is much easier than working on yourself, increasing your strength (in all senses), and therefore your competitiveness and attractiveness in the eyes of others.

[man]

Quote: Million

It is not the common people who are to blame for everything, but the government representatives.
Putin and Co. have lost almost all the republics of the former USSR, and not only them.

Yeltsin and his liberals also tried hard in this direction, it’s just that at that time in the republics there was still a decent number of Soviet people oriented towards Russia...

[north 2]

Quote: Mars

What policy should be pursued with them?

And the policy with them should be such that all their history textbooks should be written and edited in Russia by Russian historians. Moreover, such as Spitsyn, Fursov, Zhukov, may the kingdom of heaven be his Pyzhikov from the legacy of historical works he left behind, etc. By the way, the history of Russia should also be written by these historians. But neither the Medinskys nor the Pivovarovs nor the like should write history textbooks for the Kazakhs or the Russians. By the way, this multipolarity can catastrophically harm Russia. Many whom the Russians taught to relieve themselves by taking off their pants and sitting down, not to mention writing and reading, today shout about the fact that the Russians and Russia, they say, have occupied them a long time ago! So, until history textbooks are edited by Russian historians, such lies about Russia will continue to be spread there.

[man]

Many who were taught by the Russians to relieve themselves by taking off their pants and sitting down, not to mention peeing and reading
Such reminders will certainly evoke the warmest friendly feelings among Kazakhs and others towards the Russian people. You are simply a born diplomat! You should definitely be appointed as the Russian Ambassador to Kazakhstan, the Kazakhs will be delighted.

[north 2]

Well, our diplomats were also sitting in Ukraine, who were just wiping their asses from the spitting claims of Ukrainian historians and the local authorities that Russia and the Russians had allegedly occupied Ukraine and the Ukrainians all the time, that the Russians had even committed genocide there, allegedly through the Holodomor committed by the Russians in Ukraine. And our diplomats were walking down the street in Kyiv where the Ukrainians had established a "museum of occupation" with exhibits about how the Russians sent "innocent Banderites" - accomplices of the fascists - to camps in Siberia after the Great Patriotic War... Well, if our diplomacy like this prevails in Kazakhstan, then expect something even worse there than what Russia got in Ukraine with such diplomacy...

[man]

Well, if our diplomacy like this prevails in Kazakhstan, then expect even worse things there.
I am not aware of the actions of our diplomacy, maybe they are unsuccessful, but somehow I doubt that your personal "diplomacy" will bring a positive change in our relations with the Kazakhs...

[UAZ 452]

Many, whom the Russians taught to relieve themselves by taking off their pants and sitting down, not to mention writing and reading, today are screaming about how the Russians and Russia, supposedly, have occupied them for a long time! So, until history textbooks are edited by Russian historians, until then such lies about Russia will continue to be spread there.

Well, what about it - a good approach! The Ukrainians have already been explained that such a nation does not exist and never did. Now we will explain to the Kazakhs that the Russians taught them to defecate. What won't you do for the sake of friendship between nations! Indeed, you need to be sent to Kazakhstan on a missionary mission - to tell the Kazakhs everything you write about in the comments. Or are you more comfortable in your chair? Well, then the mission is cancelled, we will soon lose Kazakhstan too.

[Alexander Ra]

There is a lot of chatter about a multipolar world, but all the main global activity is developing in a unipolar world. Russia does not even have a goal of leaving it. And the conflict on the Russian outskirts is not a struggle of contradictions, but a struggle of similarities. The same goes for the Republic of Karelia, the Balts, etc. In a unipolar world, we have equalized ourselves with the "former" by capitalist lust. In fact, we have rejected our multinationality, rejected our Image, accepting someone else's. What is surprising about the disrespect and belligerence of the so-called limitrophes and others, and what respect can we expect from others for our own refusal? We have equalized ourselves with others in ugliness, we compete with others in worshiping someone else's.

[tatra]

The enemies of the USSR have a simply monstrous geopolitics of creating enemies of their country and people - both on the territory of the former USSR and in the world. But they will never admit their guilt in anything.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: tatra

The enemies of the USSR have a simply monstrous geopolitics of creating enemies of their country and people - both on the territory of the former USSR and in the world.

And the people of the former USSR choose them as their rulers. An enemy to themselves?

[tatra]

NOT the people. Those who seize their own country, they impose their power on the country and the people. So the enemies of the USSR, who seized the republics of the USSR, since 1991 impose their power on them and their people.
And democracy is another lie of the enemies of the USSR; they will never give the country to the real opposition in elections.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: tatra

NOT the people

And if you ask the people whether he chose or not, and if he chose, then whom, you will be unpleasantly surprised.
And your entire established system of stereotypes will collapse.

[tatra]

So where are these people? Why on the Internet, which 80-90% of citizens have, did they have to hire bots for money to pretend to be supporters of the government?

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: tatra

So where are these people?

Ask here, on VO.

Quote: tatra

did you have to pay to hire bots to pretend to be supporters of the government?

Are there any facts? How much do they pay? Or are these just rumors again, like about the ballots in the mines?

[tatra]

Ha, I've been on this site for 10 years, and active members of the site know who and what I am FOR for our country and people, BUT during this time not a single real supporter of this anti-Soviet government has appeared here. And with EVERY comparison of Soviet and anti-Soviet government, all the enemies of the USSR selflessly rush to rage against Soviet government, and for their anti-Soviet government - there is no one. And so it is all over the Internet.
And don’t pretend that you don’t know about the existence of paid government bots.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: tatra

and active members of the site know - FOR whom and what I am for our country and people

You are for "word-mongering" - just shouting loud slogans - and that's it.

Quote: tatra

And don’t pretend that you don’t know about the existence of paid government bots.

There are rumors. I haven't come across any facts.
Where can I get hired as a bot and how much do they pay? I would get a part-time job)))

[Russian_Ninja]

Bots really exist. I was convinced of this about a year and a half ago.
But these are just accounts (with a photo and a few friends - if we are talking about VK), which react to familiar expressions and formulations (greenery, national projects, education, etc.) and simply write the tirade uploaded to them.
So bots do exist, but they are just programs.

[Doctor]

These quotes are from the address of a Soviet man who believed and believes that we win only when we stop being different, different in nationality, skin color, eye shape, faith, traditions, customs, and so on... We win when we all become Russian. Russian soldiers, Russian scientists, Russian writers, Russian artists...

They don't want to be Russians, how can you not understand! And the Chechens don't want to, and the Yakuts, and the Buryats, and even the Belarusians! It's like we're going to become Kazakhs!

In the USSR there was a SOVIET man. And the state began with the word UNION. Because they understood that a multinational state cannot be named after one nation.
Only Stalin, at the height of his authority, risked raising a toast to the Russian people.

[UAZ 452]

Only Stalin, at the height of his authority, risked raising a toast to the Russian people.

Stalin could afford this primarily because he was Georgian. June 12, 1990 showed that in the Union (starting with Lenin) it was not in vain that they feared Russian nationalism and chauvinism more than anything else. The USSR could most likely survive the separatism of the national republics, but separatism on the part of the top of the RSFSR finished it off quickly and with a guarantee.

[Victor Leningradets]

Cut! - without waiting for peritonitis.
In Ukraine they've already waited for it.
I have already written that victory over Russia is achieved by escalating aggression against it, when the defensive strategy will simply collapse under pressure along the entire border. It will not be possible to cover all the vulnerabilities.
You simply cannot play by someone else's rules to please a handful of nouveau riche. The time has come for a Reconquista through coups supported by Russia from the outside. And there is no need to be afraid of guerrilla warfare and other nonsense. Skobelev did a good job with that. Russia has no other way to survive in this world.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: Victor Leningradets

It is simply impossible to play by someone else's rules to please a handful of nouveau riche. The time has come for a Reconquista through coups supported by Russia from the outside.

If you want to change the world, start with yourself.

[Victor Leningradets]

Honestly, Vladimir, I don’t understand what this catchy slogan “start with yourself” is supposed to mean?
Not work for a salary, not vote for Putin, go to "grind"?
Please enlighten me, an old man.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: Victor Leningradets

Honestly, Vladimir, I don’t understand what this catchy slogan “start with yourself” is supposed to mean?

Much clearer than your "time of reconquista".
From ourselves - this means from Russia in a large sense - first order in Russia, and then in the neighbors.
In a small way - from a specific person - from you, for example. What is the reason for all the troubles of our country? In the top management? So it needs to be changed legally, according to the constitution. And for this - to participate in the elections properly and involve others in the same way.
And if this doesn’t help (everyone votes against, and the results show that everyone is for) – then the country is in a crisis situation.

[Victor Leningradets]

Vladimir, it seems you are not a young man, but as Santa Claus...
First, order in Russia - they won't let us establish it. They'll finish off the relaxed, disorganized, and corrupt ones first. Those who "can repeat" in words - but in reality - a quiet fart. We just watched this show.

- from you for example

And what about "for example". In essence, you don't know how old I am, where I still work, who I vote for in the elections, but you make a demand to "change".
You live in Tver - I didn't work for long with your authorities. Do you think they want to change? But you really can't change them. And if you could - you would get such a vinaigrette that even the current state of the city would seem like paradise to you.
We have been in a crisis situation in our country since the mid-80s of the last century, so please, no utopian hopes for voting.
I am not writing about the need for this, the need for that. I am writing that we have no other choice than Reconquista. Otherwise, Russia will simply not exist, but will be an ethnographic reserve within the Golden Ring, and with the long-awaited Tsar-Father on the throne (we have one in reserve).
I feel sorry not for myself, but for my grandchildren, they are preparing a very unenviable fate for them, and neither good studies, nor law-abidingness, nor patriotism will help them.
That's something like

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote: Victor Leningradets

I am writing that we have no other choice than Reconquista. Otherwise, Russia will simply not exist, but will be an ethnographic reserve within the Golden Ring, and with the long-awaited Tsar-Father on the throne (we have one in reserve).

And how will you conduct it? You are again in some abstraction, and I am trying to talk more about specifics, within the framework of a small person, such as you, me and our environment.

[UAZ 452]

First, order in Russia - they won't let us establish it. They'll finish off the relaxed, disorganized, and corrupt ones first. Those who "can repeat" in words - but in reality - a quiet fart. We just watched this show.

And at the same time you propose some kind of "reconquista"... And who will carry it out? Those who do not have the opportunity to establish order in their own country, because they will "mow it down"? And at the same time they must establish the same "order" in others? The only thing they can achieve with this "reconquista" of yours is to add fiefdoms to those who will "mow it down" while trying to establish order in their own country.
Some of your thoughts contradict themselves. How can you agree that the situation in the country is far from normal, but at the same time advocate exporting this abnormality to your neighbors at bayonet point?

[Victor Leningradets]

The alternative is guaranteed death, amusing reservations for the survivors, or complete genocide - at the choice of the victors.
Reconquista is a chance. Only it should be carried out in the Israeli style with the complete extermination of the local elite and Soros's offspring. And remember: if you don't destroy them, they will destroy you.

[Ermak_415]

And there is no need to be afraid of guerrilla warfare and other nonsense.

The Americans said this when they started the war in Vietnam.

[Victor Leningradets]

They had North Vietnam inaccessible to ground and airborne units. In fact, its soldiers were the basis of the guerrilla formations.

[baltiksi]

Putin and his team don't care about all this for a long time, the main thing for them is money, bucks, tugriks and so on. Just as they didn't see the Ruins in their time, they don't see Kazakhstan now. The authorities in Russia do not act in the interests of the population, but in their own selfish interests. In such a situation, I would advise Russians to leave for Russia, they will be trampled there in Kazakhstan with the connivance of the local authorities. And language patrols are only the first signs.

[UAZ 452]

Your advice will be relevant only if the Russian Federation in the near future becomes a comfortable place for Russians to live. And this is far from a fact.

[Des]

There is a lot of lamentation, indignation, regret and helplessness in the article. Oh, and warnings, of course. And yes, in the RK everything is exactly like that. They have every right to do anything. Because they are independent. It is possible to put it in "", but - an amazing creation, almost mono-national. And those who came there (+ were exiled) in the past - some left on their own, others were forced to leave... And the border with the RK is really full of Kazakhs (from the RF side) and they left there not because of: "If you look at those who come to us in the regions bordering Kazakhstan, you will discover an interesting trend. Most of them are citizens of Kazakhstan. Fish look for where it is deeper, and people look for where it is better. So the descendants of those who lived in these places before the revolution, the descendants of those who developed virgin lands, are leaving because of Russophobia...", but simply a soft seizure of territories (in the end), fortunately the Russian Federation allows it. Just like with migrants - the creation of settlements with a predominantly their number.
The Republic of Kazakhstan is no longer obliged to follow the policy of the Russian Federation. The assistance provided by the Russian Federation is taken for granted. And the rest - they will decide for themselves and they decide. This is "offensive" to the author (and to me, by the way, a lot is connected with the Kazakh SSR), but - this is not only the policy of the Russian Federation, but the situation in the world - "the world" can offer them (the Republic of Kazakhstan) much more than the correct Russian Federation, but - it is the only one in the world. Alas.

[Mazunga]

Well, yes, after 35-40 years of independence, you want your friends back))? Give me more money and forgive the debts it works for real

[a.shlidt]

But what did we actually want? The Russian Federation is just a fragment of that greatness that crushed the French, Austrians and Nazis. The policy of nationalization swept through all the republics and regions and it began before the collapse of the USSR, as a consequence of the national identity policy pursued by the Communist Party. So people realized that they are Kyrgyz, Ukrainians, Kazakhs and Tajiks. But not comrades. They sowed it themselves... Moreover, they themselves absorbed it, because now the majority treat migrants as second-class people from aul, regardless of other unpleasant things. And what contempt there was for Chechens during the first war.

[north 2]

Quote: Alexander Ra

There is a lot of chatter about a multipolar world, but all the main global activity is developing in a unipolar world. Russia does not even have a goal of leaving it. And the conflict on the Russian outskirts is not a struggle of contradictions, but a struggle of similarities. The same goes for the Republic of Karelia, the Balts, etc. In a unipolar world, we have equalized ourselves with the "former" by capitalist lust. In fact, we have rejected our multinationality, rejected our Image, accepting someone else's. What is surprising about the disrespect and belligerence of the so-called limitrophes and others, and what respect can we expect from others for our own refusal? We have equalized ourselves with others in ugliness, we compete with others in worshiping someone else's.

You are absolutely right. The multipolar world is a veiled "perestroika", or rather its final Yeltsin project. Well, remember Yeltsin's call... gobble up as much sovereignty as you can get and swallow it without choking! And it got into your mouth and you swallowed it and didn't choke! That's how it was for the union republics and for the Warsaw Pact bloc, which the Yeltsinites dissolved as a gift for Yeltsin's inauguration as President of the Russian Federation, practically on the eve of his inauguration. Before that, there was a bipolar world, and the two systems existed quite safely. And perestroika was a ticket for the republics of the USSR from Russia into the ocean of sovereignty. But they would have perished there at the first storm. That means they had to sell something in order to lie under someone else. They had nothing but Russophobia and their own territory, but for the USA and NATO, even that was good enough...
So today's project of a multipolar world, promoted by Russia, is the final result of perestroika. Now Russia will drag the former republics of the USSR by the hand through all sorts of BRICS and DOKB and CIS as completely equal subjects with Russia, if only they would not show Russia the fig for any disfavor they see on the part of Russia and would not defect to the "pole" of the USA-NATO!

[asher]

Our great strategists are waiting for everything to resolve itself! The only good thing is that there are very few people in northern Kazakhstan, just like in our adjacent areas.

[Dedok]

Throwing the country into the clutches of those who will destroy it, as happened with Ukraine, we have no right...

WE - who is this?
please provide last names, first names and patronymics...
People fled from the Kazakh SSR back in the mid-80s...
Was there any reaction to what was happening? - No, there wasn't...
and now, more than 40 years later, we write: WE...
no, it's not us, it's completely different people - and there's no need to shift responsibility...
or as they say in such cases: "don't blame it on someone else..."

[Alexander Ra]

it's not us, it's completely different people - and there's no need to shift responsibility...

Yes, people are different, but at the same time, don’t forget – the population is the same, responsibility is not divisible and cannot be shifted.

[Dedok]

Yes, people are different, but at the same time, don’t forget – the population is the same, responsibility is not divisible and cannot be shifted.

Yes, I'm not talking about us, but about you...
You and I don't decide anything...
I'm talking about those who are obliged (by their position) to make decisions...

[Watchmen - North]

Stop lying about Russians fleeing Kazakhstan...

[Watchmen - North]

It is not clear what Staver is reproaching the Kazakhs for. In Moscow, one politician lays flowers to the fascist Ilyin and everything is fine.

[Watchmen - North]

Quote: UAZ 452

Like most half-hearted decisions, this one was a complete failure.

Where did you get the idea that it was unsuccessful? For some it was unsuccessful, for example for China, and for others it was quite successful for the USA and Europe. And no one actually asked the deep people.

[fiv]

Before success in foreign policy, it is necessary to achieve it in domestic policy. And domestic policy is aimed at the official enrichment of a narrow group of people and unofficial - of the majority of officials. Any formed ideology, except nationalism, will slow down such enrichment, since the people of the Russian Federation will need to unite. Given the current differences in interests of various groups of the population, such unification is impossible.

[olboop]

Returning to the issue with Ukraine in 2014.
Whether Yanukovych is a coward or not, whether he wants it or not, it was necessary to grab him by the scruff of the neck together with Azarov, Tsarev and others, put him in Donetsk (after conducting explanatory work, of course), thus declaring the legal government outside the official capital. Then this legal (legitimate) government turns to the Russian Federation for help in restoring constitutional order. The Russian Federation introduces troops without violating international law and without committing "aggression". I am sure that the resistance of the troops loyal to Kyiv in this case did not last long - the Ukrainian Armed Forces were in crisis. And the West would not have had any decent grounds to help Kyiv. While the West was thinking and shaking things up, everything would have ended.
It's a pity we missed such an opportunity, the idea of ​​which was obvious.
I don't understand what you're afraid of?

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: olbop

Returning to the issue with Ukraine in 2014.
Whether Yanukovych is a coward or not, whether he wants it or not, it was necessary to grab him by the scruff of the neck together with Azarov, Tsarev and others, put him in Donetsk (after conducting explanatory work, of course), thus declaring the legal government outside the official capital. Then this legal (legitimate) government turns to the Russian Federation for help in restoring constitutional order. The Russian Federation introduces troops without violating international law and without committing "aggression". I am sure that the resistance of the troops loyal to Kyiv in this case did not last long - the Ukrainian Armed Forces were in crisis. And the West would not have had any decent grounds to help Kyiv. While the West was thinking and shaking things up, everything would have ended.
It's a pity we missed such an opportunity, the idea of ​​which was obvious.
I don't understand what you're afraid of?

Hi, we were afraid of losing what was stored in Swiss bank accounts.
Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 were invented by Vladimir Vladimirovich and then, a few years later, he sweetly declared that he had been deceived, i.e., that what he wanted had not been fulfilled.


Remember where your treasures are, there is your heart
golden truth for all times

[Tank destroyerSU-100]

Well, what can I say, it's a classic "We are not like that" as performed by the Russian authorities. The Anglo-Saxons act with carrots and sticks, and we only curry favor with the bais and khans. And currying favor in the eyes of the Central Asians is a sign of weakness, and the weak are usually slaughtered there.

[Totor5]

Because the policy of the Russian Foreign Ministry in the CIS is - do what you want, we do not interfere in your affairs. Even if you ban the Russian language, even if you declare Russians second-class citizens - we will still smile in public and do business with you.
This is anti-Russian policy in the highest echelons of the Kremlin. But this has been the case since the times of the USSR, when Russians owed everyone for the Empire, it's just that now it has become a business.

[Ramadan]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Mars

So what should have been done with Ukraine?

There was no need to click your beak. A curmudgeon pays many times for his curmudgeonliness... It was possible to buy the entire former Ukrainian SSR for three hundred billion dollars. Which were given to the West... They themselves would have killed off their own Jewish Nazis... for this money and gone in the direction that both we and they needed.

And who would allow these 300 yards to be transferred somewhere from Europe?

[Victor Alien]

An economic storm will sweep away and neither the USA, nor England, nor Turkey will have the strength to repeat the Ukrainian scenario in Kazakhstan. We will cut off the north of Kazakhstan to ourselves. And to the south there will be a mess - we will tightly close the borders. It is useless to climb into other countries when the problems at home have been neglected to the point of being tightly cut off. The last show-off of specialists in Maidans and revolutions - they will destroy themselves.

[egsp]

Well, we’ll have to create a buffer zone in Northern and Western Kazakhstan.

[Glagol1]

There is no genetic link with Nazism in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but Ukrainians have it. And it will soon be 100 years old. You could say it's in the blood. There is no cult of war criminals in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but in Ukraine it is at the heart of state policy. Finally, Ukrainians are ready to lick the hegemon's ass, but Kazakhs are not, they are proud. Therefore, I doubt that the Republic of Kazakhstan can repeat the Ukrainian scenario, the conditions are different. Rather, we should acknowledge the reality: the Republic of Kazakhstan is hardly an ally for the Russian Federation, but a very important neighbor. The multi-vector nature of the Republic of Kazakhstan is inevitable - China in the east, Russia in the north, and also Turkey and, of course, the West. It is important for us that one of the vectors - the Russian one - should remain significant. These are issues of security, economy and trade, humanitarian ones too. If the West nevertheless rocks the Republic of Kazakhstan, we will get a grenade with the pin removed in our belly. That is why we should not be jealous of the RK to other vectors, the Chinese and Turkish ones do not pose a threat to us, but we just need to work on the Western one. Carefully. But every day.

[guest]

Quote: Glagol1

There is no genetic link to Nazism in the Republic of Kazakhstan

Everything is there, even its own analogue of Bandera.

[UAZ 452]

As long as there is a school named after Ilyin in Moscow, and his ardent admirer, the head of this school, has access to many high offices, only a blind person will believe that Russia does not have its own Nazism. It's good that the monument to Krasnov was finally removed, it stood for almost 20 years.

[BlackEyes]

After the introduction of the Latin alphabet, Kazakhstan began to look like some kind of Turkish branch. Everyone works hard in Kazakhstan, Turks, Chinese, matrasnya. Unfortunately, there is no place for Russia here. The Turks are pressing on common linguistic and religious roots, the Chinese are pressing on with money, matrasnya with the Western image of a beautiful and modern life. And what can Russia offer? 2 million Russians, 80% of whom are pensioners or pre-retirement. Young people are leaving. Who and what will press our Russian agenda there?

[Glagol1]

Economy, transit, politics, security, culture. There is something to promote, we, thank God, are not Estonia, which only knows how to stink. We need to do it. Smartly.

[avdkrd]

Not to control the vector of the policy of its neighbors is the main achievement of the post-Soviet policy. With all of Central Asia, some kind of vague strategy of constant concessions and gifts. The CIS as a structure is more dead than alive. The rules of the game in economic and military alliances are always the same. The pillar is the rule that all external contracts and interactions are accepted collegially, taking into account the interests and the ultimate goal. If this is an economic bloc, then the participating country must comply with the general vector or the sanction mechanism is activated. If this is a military bloc, then interaction with the enemy, even one of the countries of the bloc, is unacceptable. Russia itself, of course, has deviated from this rule many times. An example is Azerbaijan and Armenia. Remind how many weapons were delivered to Baku, during the protests of the Armenians, only because Baku had something to pay with? Our diplomats, and the government, still have the mentality of the USSR. There are no mechanisms for monetizing military "aid". Until now, everything that is not paid for immediately becomes a gift. I have not seen a single competent agreement taking into account geopolitical preferences for Russia. How much weapons have we shipped "on credit" and received nothing in return? How much of our investments have simply been wasted due to a change in the policy vector or a change of regime? In Turkey, we built a nuclear power plant at our own expense. At the same time, Turkey is pursuing a hostile policy and supplying weapons to the UkroReich. This is despite the fact that Turkey's industry receives our gas and the entire Erdogan clan is sitting on the pipe. As long as our laundresses do not simply manage bakeries and boiler houses, but occupy ministerial positions because the Guarantor trusts them, that is how it will be. We are in for another parade of sovereignties throughout Central Asia, because the money they received and are receiving from Russia is not encumbered by anything. They really accept it as tribute. There are no tough guaranteed actions, except for another regret and concern of our Foreign Ministry. I generally doubt that there are any levers, and Kazakhstan is an example of this. The signing of military cooperation with Britain is nonsense, if they allow it to continue, then soon everyone else will join in. This is a fiasco. An epic failure of Russian policy. The Kazakhs, being in the CSTO, signed with our perhaps main geopolitical enemy. Logically, the government in Kazakhstan should change due to sudden death. This agreement is simply an act of Kazakhstan's transition to the enemy camp.

[UAZ 452]

Until now, everything that is not paid for immediately becomes a gift. I have not seen a single competent contract taking into account geopolitical preferences for Russia. How much weapons have we shipped "on credit" and received nothing in return?

"We", the country, received nothing, but those who signed the relevant decisions most likely received, and not a little.

We are expecting another parade of sovereignties throughout Central Asia.

If it were in Central Asia, they are sovereign anyway. The continuation of the current vector of events, the current policy of our leaders, would not lead to a parade of sovereignties closer. Much closer.

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: ASSAD1

The author did not mention China, which has a huge influence on Kazakhstan. And what does the author suggest? How and with what can we influence our neighbor? Another SVO? The entire Muslim world will stand against us. This way we can lose everything.

Hello, you can influence
bury a couple hundred thousand Kazakhs and take the city of Verny, but for that you need eggs

[acetophenone]

I sincerely feel sorry for the Ukrainians! I have been friends with many of them since childhood, and I still have Ukrainian friends - wonderful people. It is not their fault that the Ukrainian leadership encouraged fascism to their own detriment."

May you die, old man!!!
I can't read such things calmly! I'm a more or less balanced person, but this... The Ukies are fighting against ours with their whole country! WITH THE WHOLE COUNTRY! And the fact that they are saving themselves from busification is because they are afraid of dying prematurely. And not because they are "wonderful people". Their hatred for our country and our people is quite sincere.
Ugh, I got angry for no reason...

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: Glagol1

There is no genetic link with Nazism in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but Ukrainians have it. And it will soon be 100 years old. You could say it's in the blood. There is no cult of war criminals in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but in Ukraine it is at the heart of state policy. Finally, Ukrainians are ready to lick the hegemon's ass, but Kazakhs are not, they are proud. Therefore, I doubt that the Republic of Kazakhstan can repeat the Ukrainian scenario, the conditions are different. Rather, we should acknowledge the reality: the Republic of Kazakhstan is hardly an ally for the Russian Federation, but a very important neighbor. The multi-vector nature of the Republic of Kazakhstan is inevitable - China in the east, Russia in the north, and also Turkey and, of course, the West. It is important for us that one of the vectors - the Russian one - should remain significant. These are issues of security, economy and trade, humanitarian ones too. If the West nevertheless rocks the Republic of Kazakhstan, we will get a grenade with the pin removed in our belly. That is why we should not be jealous of the RK to other vectors, the Chinese and Turkish ones do not pose a threat to us, but we just need to work on the Western one. Carefully. But every day.

Hi, do you know who Kazakhs are proud of?
I will answer with Khan Tokhtamysh who burned Moscow in 1382
so the Kazakhs should return Northern Kazakhstan to Russia

[maratk]

Yes, it is a serious question. The sad thing is that Russia, according to its incomprehensible tradition, does not interfere in the affairs of states. And this is fraught with danger.

[Jimenez]

I live 30 km from Kazakhstan, so everything connected with it is felt more acutely, even more painfully. The drift from Russia is clearly visible. There are educated people there who see that on the map on the other side is China, and it will not stand on ceremony. About 2,5 years ago, my colleagues and I unanimously admitted that after Ukrainey will be Kazakhstan. Now I don’t know what they would say.
I had a team (I returned to the shift then), I called it "Kazakh" - all Kazakhs, except Natakha and me. In our Southern Urals and Northern Kazakhstan live representatives of the younger Zhuz of Kazakhs, a few others. So, in terms of mentality they are 90% the same as Russians, Mordvins, etc., living here. What I like about them is that they help each other, relatives, i.e., there is a difference from other nationalities (I do not touch the chosen ones).
So, Askarik quits, goes to work in Alma-Ata, says that the salary is much higher. And? After 2 months he goes back to work. What's wrong with you? He says they've had enough, they ask several times a day why you're Kazakh, but you don't speak Kazakh. It's impossible to live. Oh, he's from the middle Zhuz, he understands Kazakh, he observes their holidays (I loved to ask him about their customs and holidays), he doesn't drink arak (which, by the way, is not typical for our Kazakhs, there are a lot of excuses - "Allah is sleeping, he doesn't see", "We're under the roof, he doesn't see", "Well, don't tell anyone" - this was already about lard ). Something like that. Something will happen.
And the failure of our policy in the former republics is clearly visible. In the same Central Asia, the Turks, despite the problems in the economy, are very active. And what about us? Where will they go from us? Yeah. I don’t see that an example UkraineYou taught me something.

[nordscout]

What Russia now "has" in the post-Soviet space, the former Soviet republics, is the result of 30 years of "indifference" in matters of state ideology and foreign policy "toothlessness"... In the "hustle and bustle of building" a bright capitalist future for Russia, the issue of competent interaction with the former Soviet republics was overlooked... There was "interaction", but superficial, unprofessional, based on the principle: "Where can you, wretched, escape from Russia..." So, we got from the "brotherly peoples" what we deserved... There were those in Europe and overseas who were ready to "hustle" professionally, 24/7, investing in these republics "new brains", money, European knowledge and a new "vision" of Russia as such...