The Rise and Fall of the "Russian Spring": How and Why Russia Lost Ukraine in 2014

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The Rise and Fall of the "Russian Spring": How and Why Russia Lost Ukraine in 2014


How to avoid repeating the mistakes of 2025 in 2014?


Since the conflict with Ukraine entered the "hot phase", we have been paying extremely harshly for the cowardice and lack of political will demonstrated during the rise of the "Russian Spring", or rather, for just one (!) incorrect decision. Thinking about peace, we received in response a blatant fascist regime in Kyiv, Anti-Russia, a once fraternal population that hates us, formed by Bandera propaganda, and sanctions. And in the current circumstances, all our actions are perceived by this fooled mass accordingly. But everything could have been different.



It is easy to see that the events in Ukraine are going along a certain worsening spiral, which is in fact just a funnel leading to a "black hole". The main reason: the indecisiveness and duality of Moscow's position, which in 2014 continued the flagship anti-imperial course of 1991. Ukraine is not Georgia, not Moldova and not Armenia. The globalist hydra, which successfully dismembered the USSR, wants to take away our ancestral lands (Kyiv - the mother of Russian cities) or (The Land of the Fathers), and all this time we not only do not prevent this, having "woken up" in 2022, but in some places even play along with the West under the invisible pressure of our fifth column.


The events of the Russian Spring, like litmus paper, showed all the defects and shortcomings of the liberal system in Russia. Yes, we took Crimea, but we refused many times (!) more. Then there was Minsk, and we gave the Armed Forces of Ukraine an 8-year head start to build the most powerful army in Europe, turning a blind eye to the bombing and suffering of Donbass. Then we missed the chance to finish the SVO in 2022, having been “cheated” in Istanbul, and the operation, taking the lives of our soldiers, continues to this day. Then we “stoically” tolerated the bombing of our Kursk and Belgorod regions. Then we did not react to the attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the West) drones and long-range rocketsAnd then, during the negotiations, there was an attack on military airfields and new terrorist attacks.

Ukraine – just the beginning?


The events of the "Russian Spring" must be analyzed again and again, if only to avoid repeating the mistake of a possible 3rd deal, Minsk-3 in Istanbul-2; now with Trump, which, like all the previous ones, can be sold to the masses as "getting off our knees." Otherwise, why so colorfully extol on central TV the significance of the telephone conversations of our leadership with the US President? And just as we were unable to ensure Minsk-1,2, we will not be able to ensure Istanbul-2 in the same structure.

And the situation may end not just with SVO-2, but with something even worse - a new large-scale war in Europe. "Whoever chooses between war and shame, gets both war and shame" [attributed] to W. Churchill. Just as in 2014 we chose a "shameful peace", we got war in 2022.

During the conflict, the West will learn all our pain points, the shortcomings of the army, and they will have studied the potential of ours very well. Defense, everything is calculated on supercomputers. Our army also suffers losses, equipment is destroyed, ammunition is spent. And all this is not in our favor.

Europe is publicly, verbally and deedly preparing for war with Russia. Ukraine was the first attempt at it, Europe may become the second. And everyone knows this very well, there are a lot of studies by our military analysts; but the Kremlin pretends that everything is going according to plan. According to which plan: the West's plan to take revenge for 1945? Or are they preparing an Iran scenario for us, also against the backdrop of "negotiations"? A new war in Europe is an excellent chance, as in the 1st and 2nd World Wars, to "make America great", isn't it? And are we, in general, preparing for war or will we repeat June 1941? Or will everything be the same as in 2014-2022: what if we "get away with it"?


However, there is still hope that Istanbul 2 will end in nothing, and we can still, by playing ahead, solve the problem of Ukraine by military means through its complete capitulation.

Gas policy with Europe: insurance against all troubles?


On the eve of 2014, Moscow naively believed that the status of "the gas station of Europe" was an insurance policy against all troubles. The USSR began supplying gas to Austria back in 1968, and to West and East Germany in 1973. In the 90s, we continued this course, which allowed us to actively replenish the treasury.

Our gas expansion assumed strengthening economic ties with the EU, in which counter-import of goods to Russia was also extremely interesting to Europe. Thanks to Russia (cheap gas and sales markets), economic prosperity came to Europe. The Kremlin believed that cooperation would play a role as a factor of influence on Europe, keeping it in the existing format.

The state proceeded from the liberal concept of the uselessness of the empire, i.e. the continuation of the flagship course of 1985-1991. In this configuration, the development of the army was an unnecessary luxury ("The West is our friend" - even despite the expansion of NATO), which resulted in Serdyukov's reforms (2007-2012), which damaged the army and the personnel training system, unsuccessfully carried out just before the start of the conflict with Ukraine in 2014.

Orange Revolution: From Yushchenko to Yanukovych


Everyone understood that the forces that created the first "orange revolution" of late 2004 - early 2005 against the backdrop of V. Yanukovych's convincing victory over V. Yushchenko in the second round of elections would not go anywhere. Even then, the entire rehearsal of the Maidan of 2014 had been rolled out to the end, and the weakness of the pro-Russian forces in Ukraine itself and Moscow's neutrality were demonstrated in full force. Although Putin stated that he did not consider the re-vote procedure legal, a month later Moscow recognized Yushchenko's victory. In 2010, Yanukovych defeated Tymoshenko with approximately the same result as Yushchenko in 2024, which generally showed the overall preponderance of the "Russian vector" in Ukraine, even taking into account the anti-Russian majority in the western part.

According to Wikipedia, 2014% of respondents supported Euromaidan in January 49 (by region: 84% in the West, 66% in the Center, 33% in the South, 13% in the East). However, by the end of February, the share of Euromaidan supporters had fallen to 40%.

According to another assessment by former Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, “three quarters of Ukrainians were against the Maidan, and in the southeast of the country they hoped that the authorities would deal with the putschists in Kyiv, but then the capital was captured by the ‘westerners’.”

According to Ukrainian sociologists, the "Maidan" was created by "westerners": "On the Maidan, newcomers clearly predominate (88%), Kiev residents make up 12%. Among the newcomers, residents of Western Ukraine predominate (55%), the rest are from Central Ukraine (24%) and from the East and South (21%)."


After the 90s, Russia was in a difficult situation, and the Ukrainians did not want to go into poverty together with the "Muscovites" - they needed "European integration", which is actually why this whole mess started. Unfortunately, the love of money and the inability to separate the "wheat from the chaff" are national traits of our non-brothers, which led them into terrible trouble.


We could have avoided the constant show of haggling over gas prices, which only alienated the average Ukrainian citizen from Russia, showing "oppression" from the Muscovites, and spent several billion dollars and installed our own president there. And, having discarded the raw materials model in Russia, offered an alternative - a model of growth and prosperity, potentially spreading it to new territories. But no, the oligarchy in Russia would never have allowed this.

Our indecisiveness, anti-Sovietism, anti-imperial course and the same factors that caused Yanukovych’s fiasco created the possibility of a fascist revenge on all Ukrainian – also Russian – land.

Apparently, after the dismantling of the USSR, Russia had tacit agreements that we would under no circumstances annex the "fragments" of the USSR, and would not develop our own industrial production. Indeed, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria: everything is so. And about industry, everything is clear. But Crimea itself came into our hands (!), and the main red line was (!) violated.

Russia demonstratively did not support Kharkov and even the quite successful Donbass. When we concluded the Minsk agreements, we believed that leaving the main part of Ukraine in the hands of nationalists (read: the West) would allow us to conclude a deal: Crimea is ours, but there will be no sanctions. And that was a mistake. Obviously, the pro-Western elites and oligarchs who actively let Russia into were also initially completely uninterested in the integration of Russia and Ukraine, because their masters in the Washington regional committee would not have liked it at all.

At the same time, the Kremlin, paradoxically, did not take into account at all (!) that the Ukrainian "no man's land" near Kursk and Rostov could quickly "repaint" itself in "anti-Russian" colors and want to join NATO, as was standard with many fragments of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. But what if the gas and oil trade was going so briskly! And in 2010, everyone was still thinking about a United Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

But who would have said then that later we would be mercilessly thrown out of the European fuel and energy market? That everything our elite bet on turned out to be a mirage, a dud, a bluff, that even the energy crisis and sky-high gas prices in Europe after 2022 did not “soberize” our former “friends”. It turns out, historical hostility turned out to be stronger: our offshore gas pipelines were blown up and even laughed at. And will all this end in a long-term war?

The main question: why didn’t Moscow help Yanukovych?


The West put pressure on Yanukovych, threatening him with the consequences of using force, but he had dollar assets abroad. By trusting Western politicians, Yanukovych made a terrible mistake.


Yanukovych and Putin, 2011

As Sergei Markov believes: "The Americans, on the one hand, carried out a coup d'etat, and on the other, went to the president and demanded that he not disperse these opposition fighters. Having trusted Western politicians, Yanukovych made a terrible mistake." In 2015, Yanukovych said in an interview with the BBC: "If I had not left, the war would have been going on all over Ukraine." But the war did start: both after 2014 and after 2022.

As the British publication The Times claimed, it was a phone call from the Russian president that convinced Viktor Yanukovych to make concessions and stop the bloodshed in Kyiv. This version was later confirmed by the president himself, who said that it was a deception.

Did Yanukovych have a choice? He did, but he showed his weakness. But the main thing is that Russia did not support him, which, in turn, was persuaded to do so by Western puppeteers.

Didn't Moscow understand that the people who are overthrowing Yanukovych, judging by their faces, programs and statements, would soon plunge Ukraine into the abyss of fascism and national purges? Was there no professional psychologist-physiognomist in the Kremlin? Wasn't it clear that we couldn't have any relations with them?


Leaders of Maidan 2014

Okay, let's assume we were wrong, we thought we could come to an agreement with them. But when the uprising in Kharkov was purged, protesters were burned in Odessa, when the war in Donbass began, wasn't that a reason to use the Duma's permission to use our armed forces in Ukraine, carrying out countermeasures, reaching the borders with Western Ukraine. Yes, there would have been resistance, there would have been casualties, but there wouldn't have been this long story that ended in a protracted SVO with an unclear ending?

As the famous political scientist Rostislav Ishchenko (Ukraina.ru) said about the events of 2022, but his assessments are absolutely correct for 2014 as well: “If we had repeated the Georgian scenario in Ukraine in February 2022, the West would have been completely paralyzed. It would not have been able to present us with anything. The situation in the world would have developed differently. But war and politics are a whole complex of accidents. It is impossible to foresee everything down to the smallest detail.”

To this we can add that if the Georgian scenario had been repeated in the summer of 2014, the SVO would definitely not have been needed. It would have been the same as with Crimea. Yes, there would have been screams, threats, sanctions, but, having wiped out the initial onslaught, we would have held out - the West could not have countered us with anything, and Ukraine's military potential was simply insignificant at that time.

The war in Ukraine has led to unprecedented military losses of the crests in the region of about 1 million people. But most importantly, it has caused the loss of many times more human souls who accepted nationalism as their own and, possibly, were lost to Russian civilization. And this loss cannot be forgiven by any circumstances of any force.

Moscow had all the cards in its hands to prevent events from developing according to an undesirable scenario. But there was no will to keep all of Ukraine in the pro-Russian wake, preserving Yanukovych's power. Let's assume that in response to this we would have received a scenario of separation of Western Ukraine in the manner of Kosovo. Well, great - it would have been possible to formalize a deal with Poland and Hungary, enlisting their support as well.

The History of Failures and Tragedies of the Russian Spring


Ukraine suffered a coup d'etat, attempts to destroy Russian civilization led to the natural collapse of the country and chaos. First, Crimea was lost - March 18. On April 7, 2014, the Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov People's Republics were proclaimed. Inspired by the example of Crimea, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk were seething.


Rally in Odessa, 2014

However, the powerful spurt of the "Russian Spring", which did not receive timely support from Russia, quickly petered out. On May 7, after negotiations with the OSCE chairman, the Russian president called on representatives of southeastern Ukraine to postpone the referendum scheduled for May 11. This was necessary "to create the necessary conditions for dialogue" with the Kyiv authorities.


Rally in Donbass

As the author of VO, a participant in those events, Yuri Apukhtin, wrote:

The victory in Crimea inspired the population of the South-East, and everyone believed that the same would happen to other cities... The Crimean authorities began to conduct propaganda in the regions of the South-East, gather representatives of the regions, convince them to increase protests and demand withdrawal from Ukraine, convincing them that Russia would definitely support them. But this did not even come close to the actions of the Russian authorities. Moscow decided to make Ukraine a neutral country. Since mid-April, they began to focus on solving the Donbass problem by federalizing Ukraine and creating an autonomy for the South-East. This solution also suited the Donetsk oligarchy, which sought to preserve its assets and influence in the Donbass.

At this time, a decision had already been made... to conclude the Minsk agreements on the terms of the cessation of hostilities and a special status for Donbass within Ukraine.

When all of us involved in the protest movement read the text of the agreement, we did not believe that such a thing could happen. Six months of confrontation, from peaceful rallies to full-scale military operations with the use of armored vehicles and aviation, thousands of people killed and thrown into prison, the defeat of the enemy, the “march of prisoners” through Donetsk and the triumph of victory... It was hard to imagine after everything that had been done that one could just stop and not achieve results.


But not everyone was lucky. If Crimea's path to Russia was brilliant and almost bloodless, taking less than a month, then the path of the DPR and LPR took eight years just to achieve a formal result, and it was paid for with the blood of militias and constant bombing of territories. But Kharkov was unlucky: it managed to take only a few steps on this path. And a terrible tragedy happened in Odessa.


The tragedy in Odessa

Among the reasons for the successes and failures of the Russian Spring are: ethnic characteristics of the territories (those areas with the largest percentage of Russian population stood out), relations of the elites, the organization of resistance and, most importantly, the attitude of Moscow. The position of the local elites played a crucial role.

In Donbass they went to the end, because there was an attack. In Kharkov there was no external support and no internal organizing force, the elites betrayed the people, everything dissolved, and the power purge played a role.

Kolomoisky, for obvious reasons, supported the coup. Local authorities in Kharkov and other cities in the South-East did not support the people's movement and did everything possible to suppress it.

How the Kharkov People's Republic Did Not Come About


On February 22, immediately after the coup d'etat, a congress of deputies of all levels of southeastern Ukraine took place. After this congress, a rally with a speech by Yanukovych was supposed to take place. But for some reason it did not take place. Then clashes with Maidan activists began for the building of the Kharkiv Regional State Administration. The first phase of the confrontation ended on March 1, when during a rally, Kharkiv residents simply carried these invaders out of the regional administration building. According to locals, 70% of society was against the Maidan, 30% were for it.

More than 1 Kharkiv residents gathered for the March 40 rally, and the roar of tens of thousands of voices chanting "Russia!!! Russia!!!" rattled the windows of a nearby hotel. But by the end of March, the intensity of the protests began to wane. There were no strong leaders, and people no longer understood the ultimate goal of the struggle.


Rally in Kharkov

Then the idea of ​​​​declaring the Kharkov People's Republic was proposed, which coincided with the date of the announcement of the DPR. A congress of the Kharkov territorial community was held, on April 7, the documents were brought to the Russian consulate. But the next morning, a special detachment arrived in the city, sent by the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine from Vinnitsa to Slavyansk, and on the way they cleared Kharkov on April 8 (66 people were then imprisoned).

Local leadership M. Dobkin (chairman of the Kharkiv regional state administration) and G. Kernes (mayor of Kharkiv), who initially supported the creation of the KhNR, then, having learned that there would be no help from Moscow, quickly played against it. According to numerous rumors, Kernes went to Moscow to meet with Surkov. As the author, familiar with the background of the events, writes:

"But Moscow made a clear decision - not to interfere in the events in Ukraine. When Kernes and Dobkin learned about this, they changed their tune right in the air. Kernes left for the Russian Federation while still holding pro-Russian views, and returned as a moderate Ukrainian patriot and did everything to ensure that Kharkov did not follow the path of Donbass."

The KhNR did not take place. On the one hand, because of betrayal, on the other, because of the actions of the Kyiv regime, which took the path of its violent suppression. Kyiv did not want to risk Kharkov.

Epilogue: How to avoid repeating the mistakes of 2025 in 2014?


The West does not want our victory and will support the Ukrainian Armed Forces to the end with the Poles, the Balts, etc. The problem has only a military solution, but for the reasons stated above, it is not a priority for Moscow.

Despite our partial "insight", we have not yet completely broken free from the tenacious bonds of the past. That is why no one is afraid of us: our elites in the West still have passports, assets, interests and connections.

It cannot be ruled out that we nevertheless decided to "put the squeeze" on the Ukrainian Armed Forces by advancing in the Donetsk direction, towards Sumy, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk - time will tell. And this was a Solomonic decision.

Links:
The Price of a Wrong Decision: The Day Russia Lost Ukraine Forever
Yanukovych: If I hadn't left, the war would have been going on all over Ukraine
Phone call from Putin led to end of Maidan bloodshed The Times
VZGLYAD / British media: Putin convinced Yanukovych to stop bloodshed in Kyiv :: News of the day
Putin asked to postpone the referendum in the south-east of Ukraine
The Rise and Fall of the "Russian Spring": Why There Are Only Two People's Republics Left - 07.04.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX Ukraine.ru
The Rise and Fall of the "Russian Spring": Why There Are Only Two People's Republics Left - 07.04.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX Ukraine.ru
Vinnitsa special forces Jaguar strangled Russian Kharkov quickly
The Kharkov People's Republic fell at the hands of traitors: "The sinister role of the city and regional leaders" - MK
Girkin: Kernes and Dobkin flew to Moscow to discuss the creation of the "KhNR" (video)
"Alexander Dugin. SURKOV DRAINING "RUSSIAN SPRING"" | Izborsky Club
"Surkov merged Novorossia"
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  1. VLR
    + 83
    25 June 2025 03: 21
    The word "we" is repeated many times. "We", you see, made a mistake, "we" lost. And so on. Although, in fact, we all know the name of the man who lost everything, was constantly making mistakes, indulged the liberals of the Fifth Column in every possible way, conducted a disastrous personnel policy, surrounded himself with anti-Soviets, thieves and sycophants, was repeatedly deceived by the GDR pioneer, betrayed that fantastic "Russian Spring" and deprived himself of a unique opportunity to go down in history as Vladimir the Great.
    1. + 48
      25 June 2025 04: 11
      If only we were talking about old mistakes and previous failures of personnel policy in the past. Our permanent leader, who has taken up a deep defense at the top of the vertical of power, still relies exclusively on either liberals like Nabiullina, who serve the interests of "Western partners," or on absolutely incompetent people who tell him only what he really likes. I will write, as a doctor, about a problem that concerns all our compatriots. Right now, a terrible blow is being dealt to the health care system, which it may not survive. Many doctors who began working in the USSR, as it turned out, were "incorrectly" retrained in narrow specialties - they did not receive official "crusts." Which were especially unnecessary. They worked conscientiously all their lives, regularly underwent retraining, calmly survived the first wave of "pseudo-modernization" - they received certificates for work in specialties without problems. They enjoy great authority among patients and colleagues. But some of the saboteurs of the Ministry of Health really do not like this, and now - the curtain: it is already unclear why they have come up with accreditation, documents for which are not accepted due to the lack of properly completed documents from doctors! A huge number of narrow specialists will finish their work this year and retire, which the social security swindlers who robbed them for 10 years with Putin's blessing will finally calculate correctly. The Ministry of Health officials are not interested in who will replace them. And, of course, "good-natured grandfather Putin" is not interested.
      1. + 19
        25 June 2025 06: 23
        I will write, as a doctor, about a problem that concerns all our compatriots. Right now, a terrible blow is being dealt to the healthcare system, which it may not survive.

        Here, like in Byzantium, they believe that nothing will happen to Pax Romana: nothing and never.
        Like smashing olives against a wall. laughing
        1. + 23
          25 June 2025 11: 30
          When the authorities "don't need smart people (capable of competing for power), but rather loyal people (preferably worthless sycophants, completely dependent on the will of the rulers)", then the next "new Rome" is on the right path to its collapse.
          1. -10
            25 June 2025 15: 53
            Everything must be clearly assessed in chronology, and not just over the last 20 years.
            1. First, in 1991, you are to blame for not lifting a finger to defend the USSR. All those who silently watched TV while being able-bodied men.
            2. Next come those who carried out monstrous reforms with privatization. Those who built an extremely unattractive version of feudal capitalism. Incapable of attracting people from the fragments of the USSR.
            3. Then come those who have not formed a clear position “from here to here” and are afraid of popular unification.

            However, these are all consequences of the loss of power by the infantile "perestroika generation", who traded Soviet power for chewing gum, jeans and VCRs. Look at the comments - they (the perestroika generation) still blame "someone else" for their situations.
            1. +5
              25 June 2025 16: 06
              Quote: Civil
              who traded Soviet power for chewing gum, jeans and VCRs.

              I lived quite a bit during the late USSR in the 80s. And I won't say that the social structure was ideal back then:
              - everything through "connections" and "pull" according to the principle "you give to me, I give to you", if you want to live - move around, build social connections
              - party nomenclature, people joined the party not based on principles, but for a career
              - shortages and scarcity of assortment, including those directly related to the planned economy: for example, how many pants to sew, what color and size, how much fittings, fabric, etc. are needed. Everything was decided in the Ministry of Light Industry and the State Planning Committee (and this process was not automated at that time)
              - a shift in the economy towards heavy engineering and defense
              - a prohibitive approach to raising young people
              - drunkenness
              - prosperity in a society of hypocrisy and sanctimony
              - the widespread growth of consumerism in society
              And what prevented them from setting up production of jeans? Only the gross incompetence of some political worker from the highest echelons.
              Chewing gum, Pepsi and Cola were released for the 80 Olympics.
            2. + 14
              25 June 2025 17: 35
              One day we woke up not under Soviet rule. As you say, we didn't come out to defend. It's the same now. One day you will wake up to the cry of the muezzin in Islamic Russia. But for some reason you are in no hurry to defend!
              1. 0
                25 June 2025 23: 03
                Quote: Gardamir
                One day you will wake up to the cry of the muezzin in Islamic Russia. But for some reason you are in no hurry to defend!

                Are you saying that the problem is with the muezzin?! He shouts too loudly?!
                1. +2
                  26 June 2025 05: 58
                  The problem is that no one comes out to defend.
                  1. +3
                    26 June 2025 19: 48
                    Our people are not politically mature. They wait for someone to come and decide everything for them. In an apartment building they can't come to an agreement with their neighbors. 1-2 activists, the rest is a swamp. That's how we live.
            3. +3
              26 June 2025 21: 55
              That is, personally, it was necessary to somehow protect Gorbachev, who himself did not want this?
              Or in whom, in what did the USSR consist then, in 91?
              In the drunken, shaking members of the State Emergency Committee, who did not want to defend themselves?
              Who, how and what kind of USSR could then protect and from whom?
              When a very rigid vertical of power was given to narrow-minded scoundrels who, with their own hands, ignited all the potential national conflicts that existed and plunged the Soviet economy into a nosedive?
              1. -1
                27 June 2025 06: 41
                Quote: faterdom
                That is, personally, it was necessary to somehow protect Gorbachev, who himself did not want this?

                So you don't understand the difference between the USSR state and the USSR leadership? Is it the same thing for you? It is not individuals who will live your life for you, but you yourself. And you yourself must be responsible for your life, first of all. And not some person in Moscow. And you will.
                1. +1
                  27 June 2025 15: 23
                  Excuse me, but did you live in the USSR as an adult?
                  If not, then at least listen to people who have this experience.
                  And don't try to explain to me what you don't understand yourself.
                  Yes, by the way, to your specific question: for the people there was no difference between the state and the leadership, and whoever was “not with us is against us.”
                  In the late USSR, there was an indefinite course of compulsory psychiatric care for this. Or, according to the "Drunken Decree," anyone was declared an alcoholic, deprived of all posts and benefits, and thrown out of the queue for an apartment. And if after that he did not go to work as a stoker in a boiler room, he could get a term "for parasitism."
              2. 0
                28 June 2025 06: 18
                If only we had known in advance about the consequences of the events of 1991... Most citizens would have behaved completely differently.
            4. +4
              25 August 2025 19: 10
              All those who silently watched TV while being able-bodied men"
              I hate those who blame the people for the collapse of the USSR. In fact, almost everyone was for the USSR in the referendum, a legal way. Lenin created the party, the party worked for years to prepare for the revolution. Everything went under the leadership and according to plan. And how do people like you imagine the struggle for the USSR? How will men sitting separately in front of the TV understand what is happening (everything), how will they organize themselves, gather at the same time, in one place, etc., how will they all choose a way to fight, etc., and all this without a leader? The people themselves do not organize. It does not work that way.
      2. + 19
        25 June 2025 07: 07
        Quote: vet
        A huge number of narrow specialists will finish their work this year and retire, which the social security swindlers who robbed them for 10 years with Putin's blessing will finally calculate correctly. The Ministry of Health officials are not interested in who will replace them.

        It is already impossible to get to narrow specialists. And to get to those, there is a huge queue. A good half of the population is forced to use private clinics. But budget medicine cannot even serve the remaining part.
      3. -22
        25 June 2025 07: 08
        If only we were talking about old mistakes and previous failures of personnel policy in the past. Our permanent leader, who has taken up a deep defense at the top of the vertical of power, still relies exclusively on either liberals like Nabiullina, who serve the interests of "Western partners," or on absolutely incompetent people who tell him only what he really likes. I will write, as a doctor, about a problem that concerns all our compatriots. Right now, a terrible blow is being dealt to the health care system, which it may not survive. Many doctors who began working in the USSR, as it turned out, were "incorrectly" retrained in narrow specialties - they did not receive official "crusts." Which were especially unnecessary. They worked conscientiously all their lives, regularly underwent retraining, calmly survived the first wave of "pseudo-modernization" - they received certificates for work in specialties without problems. They enjoy great authority among patients and colleagues. But some of the saboteurs of the Ministry of Health really do not like this, and now - the curtain: it is already unclear why they have come up with accreditation, documents for which are not accepted due to the lack of properly completed documents from doctors! A huge number of narrow specialists will finish their work this year and retire, which the social security swindlers who robbed them for 10 years with Putin's blessing will finally calculate correctly. The Ministry of Health officials are not interested in who will replace them. And, of course, "good-natured grandfather Putin" is not interested


        What's the problem with filling out 3 pieces of paper and sending them to the website? You don't need to submit anything to renew the certificate. laughing Just complete 144 hours of study, or score 250 points in NMO, and listen to lectures remotely.
        Or you can do it turnkey, without doing anything, the price of the issue is 1 pension of the future pensioner)) laughing
        1. + 19
          25 June 2025 07: 19
          Arzt, The problem is that many Soviet doctors simply do not accept documents when they post on that very site - despite having education, a certificate, a certificate of extensive experience in the specialty, etc. - on the grounds that there is no paper about receiving primary specialization, which was not required in the USSR. Perhaps there is a robot there that automatically rejects everyone.
          1. VLR
            + 10
            25 June 2025 07: 37
            There might be a robot there that automatically turns everyone away.

            Digitalization, damn it... Robots don't get sick. And they make life much easier for bureaucrats, who now only put their electronic signatures with one click of the mouse.
            1. -11
              25 June 2025 08: 24
              Digitalization, damn it... Robots don't get sick. And they make life much easier for bureaucrats, who now only put their electronic signatures with one click of the mouse.

              On the contrary - great. Previously, you had to go to certification in person. And pass it. And with an envelope, otherwise you won't pass. wink
          2. -10
            25 June 2025 08: 16
            Arzt, The problem is that many Soviet doctors simply do not accept documents when they post on that very site - despite having education, a certificate, a certificate of extensive experience in the specialty, etc. - on the grounds that there is no paper about receiving primary specialization, which was not required in the USSR. Perhaps there is a robot there that automatically rejects everyone.

            What does a Soviet doctor and a huge experience have to do with it? There are 3 papers needed - an application, a portfolio (for women - in a bikini)), and a report. Plus photocopies of documents. Everything in electronic form.
            https://fca-rosminzdrav.ru/periodicheskaya-akkreditaciya/dokumenty-dlya-prokhozhdeniya/neobkhodimye-dokumenty/

            Give it to young doctors and they will do everything.))
            1. +6
              25 June 2025 09: 04
              Arzt, Vya seems to have misunderstood what you are talking about. Nowadays, everyone graduates with a diploma of a local doctor - a lower-level doctor. You need to complete a residency to get a narrow specialty. In the USSR, you could get an additional specialty by completing an advanced training course and then confirming it every 5 years. There were no problems with certification. But now, either a robot or a bureaucrat sitting on the site requires a certificate of completion of an analogue of residency, which many simply do not have - it was issued irregularly, and there was no particular need for it. And now there is no certificate (analogue of the residency dialos) - the documents are simply not accepted. Although there is everything - regular training in the specialty, a certificate, a certificate of a huge herd in this specialty. Do you understand the essence of the problem?
              1. +3
                25 June 2025 12: 29
                . . Arzt, Vya seems to have misunderstood what you are talking about. Nowadays, everyone graduates with a diploma of a local doctor - a lower-level doctor. You need to complete a residency to get a narrow specialty. In the USSR, you could get an additional specialty by completing an advanced training course and then confirming it every 5 years. There were no problems with certification. But now, either a robot or a bureaucrat sitting on the site requires a certificate of completion of an analogue of residency, which many simply do not have - it was issued irregularly, and there was no particular need for it. And now there is no certificate (analogue of the residency dialos) - the documents are simply not accepted. Although there is everything - regular training in the specialty, a certificate, a certificate of a huge herd in this specialty. Do you understand the essence of the problem?

                Ahh, that's what they came up with! Clever! wink .

                The theme is clear, to force people into PAID residency. Handsome guys, they are pulling the wool over the eyes of the Government, telling us that in the West, supposedly in residency they study to become a specialist for 4-5 years, and here it is only 2.

                At the same time, they cleverly erase the PRINCIPAL DIFFERENCE between our residency and theirs. wink
                The difference is that in our country, residency is still studying, but in the West, residence is already work.

                A resident in the States is simply a young doctor who works under the supervision of an experienced one for 4 to 6 years, depending on the specialty. He has no connection with the university, he is ON THE STAFF OF THE HOSPITAL and RECEIVES A SALARY.
                For example, in Germany, an ACC receives about 3500 euros, while a FAH (full-fledged doctor) receives 6000.

                And here after university we still have to pay for residency for these parasites, sometimes a million a month. If only they were taught... wink
        2. + 12
          25 June 2025 07: 25
          Quote: Arzt
          What's the problem

          Maybe in this? In developed countries, the share of healthcare in the budget is usually 10-20%. In the Russian Federation - 4,5%. And the trend is downward. It was 5,2%. Our capitalists turned out to be more greedy.
          1. +2
            25 June 2025 08: 22
            Maybe in this? In developed countries, the share of healthcare in the budget is usually 10-20%. In the Russian Federation - 4,5%. And the trend is downward. It was 5,2%. Our capitalists turned out to be more greedy.

            No, not in this case. There are a lot of doctors-methodologists)).

            Crowds of 80-year-old young men, who have forgotten when they saw a sick person, have occupied the profitable topics of pseudo-medical education and are churning out various business-bureaucratic models.
            They come up with new types of studies, accreditation, clinical guidelines and other nonsense.

            They are all in authority, with titles and degrees, so no one has the strength to disperse them and throw them into retirement. Only feet first. laughing
            But then new ones appear, like popes. wassat
          2. +7
            25 June 2025 11: 39
            Quote: Stas157
            ? In developed countries, the share of healthcare in the budget is usually 10–20%.

            For this purpose, in "developed countries" people fight for their rights and actively participate in political life. But here everything is "at the request of the workers" since Soviet times.
            1. -1
              25 June 2025 21: 01
              Quote: Cympak
              Quote: Stas157
              ? In developed countries, the share of healthcare in the budget is usually 10–20%.

              For this purpose, in "developed countries" people fight for their rights and actively participate in political life. But here everything is "at the request of the workers" since Soviet times.

              Can you tell me from what point onwards did the activity of citizens in political life become undesirable in our country?
              Not since October 1993, right? wink
              And now, as far as I know, mass gatherings are prohibited and you can get a prison term for organizing and gathering people.
              We encountered such a problem when it was necessary to gather people for the re-election of the chairman of the SNT. Someone leaked it to the police - a whole unit arrived to prevent "illegal" actions.
              The meeting did not take place for the above reasons. It was necessary to gather "underground". wink
              1. 0
                25 June 2025 21: 23
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                Can you tell me from what point onwards did the activity of citizens in political life become undesirable in our country?
                Not since October 1993, right?

                Federal Law "On Meetings, Rallies, Demonstrations, Marches and Pickets" dated 19.06.2004 N 54-FZ
                1. +3
                  25 June 2025 21: 41
                  Quote: Cympak
                  Federal Law "On Meetings, Rallies, Demonstrations, Marches and Pickets" dated 19.06.2004 N 54-FZ

                  What did you mean by this, that in our country the laws written by the authorities for the population are observed by the authorities themselves? laughing
                  The Basic Law also states a lot, including that changing articles in the Constitution should not lead to a worsening of the situation of the population.
                  However, the retirement age was raised by the very one who is the “guarantor” of this very Constitution. wink
            2. -1
              26 June 2025 00: 24
              Quote: Cympak
              To achieve this, in “developed countries” people fight for their rights and actively participate in political life.

              Excuse me?! I thought it was because of the exorbitant health insurance premiums of the working "fighters for rights". It turns out that's how it is... what
          3. -2
            26 June 2025 20: 12
            Quote: Stas157
            В developed countries The share of healthcare in the budget is usually 10-20%. In the Russian Federation – 4,5%

            Hmm ...
            Ranking of countries in the world by level of health expenditure 2024
            World Health Organization:
            Global Health Expenditure 2024.
            No. Country Expenditures (% of GDP)
            1 Afghanistan 21.83
            2 Tuvalu 19.97
            3 Liberia 16.62

            4 United States 16.57
            81 Russia 7.39
            97 Poland 6.68
            112 Saudi Arabia 5.97
            129 China 5.38
            132 United Arab Emirates 5.31
            123 Singapore 5.57

            https://gtmarket.ru/ratings/global-health-expenditure

            It turns out Afghanistan belay , Tuvalu belay and Liberia belay - this extremely developed countries - pouring mountains of money into healthcare.
            А China and Saudis are homeless and poor...
            Maybe there is a number in the budget after all relative , not?
      4. +8
        25 June 2025 08: 31
        This is the first time I have come across such a precise definition of the situation in healthcare! And not only there. And the Guarantor was defeated by the System of power he created. They covered him with cotton wool, pasted him with plush and made him an icon.
      5. + 11
        25 June 2025 08: 59
        What a pity that the late Yevgeny Prigozhin did not get to the Kremlin bigwigs! How much new and interesting we would have learned about their activities.....!
        1. -4
          26 June 2025 20: 19
          Quote: vasyliy1
          What a pity that the late Yevgeny Prigozhin did not get to the Kremlin bigwigs! How much new and interesting we would have learned about their activities.....!

          You wouldn't have found out anything - because for you a specific dollar billionaire oligarch is somehow type differs from other billionaire oligarchs.
          Kindergarten or Ukrainian naivety...
          Who first shouted "robbed!!" and shook the "golden loaf" and then told a joke that "Yanukovych turns out to be one of his own - he added to the budget!!" (C)
          1. -4
            28 June 2025 21: 59
            Prigozhin is the same oligarch, he wanted more power and money
      6. 0
        28 June 2025 21: 58
        At the root of our misfortunes lies the treacherous collapse of the USSR, the collapse of industry, and the imposition of the capitalist system.
    2. -13
      25 June 2025 04: 32
      Quote: VlR
      The word "we" is repeated many times. "We", you see, made a mistake, "we" was lost.

      We elected Putin in 2018. We elected Putin in 2024.
      So we were wrong, twice already (maybe even three times).
      The SVO will continue sluggishly until Putin's next election - and we will be wrong again.
      It's a Russian tradition to jump on a rake...
      1. + 19
        25 June 2025 05: 23
        Moscow had all the cards in its hands to prevent events from developing according to an undesirable scenario.
        And since 14, nothing but failures and mistakes... And what's the outcome? We're next in line after Iran...
        1. VLR
          + 27
          25 June 2025 05: 30
          The legitimate president of Ukraine was on Russian territory and could officially ask for help in establishing constitutional order - in exchange for guarantees of non-extradition to the rebels. And in this case, there were no grounds, even theoretical, for imposing sanctions against Russia. The leaders of 6 Ukrainian regions were ready to hold referendums and were expecting from the Kremlin not soldiers, but only words of support. The Ukrainian army was not ready to fight the Russian one, and a couple of thousand frostbitten Nazis were running around all over Ukraine, intimidating the local population with impunity and without receiving any resistance. All that was needed was an order to arrest them. And in such a super-advantageous situation, Putin suddenly began to give up one position after another.
          1. +9
            25 June 2025 05: 39
            Quote: VlR
            The legitimate president of Ukraine was on Russian territory

            Obviously! I wrote about this... A very long time ago....
          2. +9
            25 June 2025 08: 03
            Not suddenly, you forgot about the arrival of the accountant, who obviously calculated everything well.
          3. + 11
            25 June 2025 08: 29
            Quote: VlR
            The legitimate president of Ukraine was on Russian territory and could have officially asked for help in restoring constitutional order -

            And he turned to Putin with a request to introduce troops! Then we, "co-religionists" of the VO, were sure that Russia tolerates Maidan-x until the "first blood"! What a disappointment it was when we realized that Putin turned "back"! By the way, somewhere in 2022, Putin admitted that the refusal to introduce troops into Novorossiya was "mistaken"! But now he began to justify himself! Like, Russia, its Armed Forces were not ready for confrontation with NATO! But in 2022, he did not say this! He only spoke about the "mistake"! I believed and still believe that the situation was: "Seven troubles - one answer"! The EU, NATO, having "forgiven" Crimea, would have "forgiven" Donbass! There would have been no war with the USA, NATO!
            1. + 12
              25 June 2025 10: 50
              What's also interesting. Back then they said that Crimea was being worn out because NATO was going to set up its base in Crimea. Now all of Ukraine is a NATO base and nothing.
              By the way, any normal general can clean up Ukraine relatively quickly, but for some reason they don't want to.
            2. -9
              26 June 2025 12: 22
              In 2014, Russia imported about 60% of its food, and if food sanctions had been announced against Russia in 2014, the discontent among the people would have been colossal.
              This is not to mention the fact that other import substitution in industry was in its infancy.
          4. 0
            7 November 2025 20: 23
            And he appealed to Russia for help; there's a video online! Moscow remained silent! And now there's a war with bangs instead of explosions!
        2. -1
          28 June 2025 22: 02
          Moscow only has money on its mind
      2. + 28
        25 June 2025 05: 24
        Quote: Vladimir-TTT
        We elected Putin in 2018. We elected Putin in 2024.

        Citizen Putin was not elected by anyone at all; he was reappointed.
        Grandfather Lenin in his time put a lot of effort into explaining the simple truth that bourgeois democracy is just a fiction, a fig leaf. But, alas, the cart is still there...
        But elections in bourgeois dictatorships of the 3rd world have nothing to do with even the standards of bourgeois democracy. In the Russian Federation, there have been no elections since 1993, the year Yeltsin's group seized power.
        But formally... formally, both in the apartheid regime in South Africa, and in Paraguay, Stressnerra, and under Pinochet, elections and referendums of confidence were held, etc. You can have fun and hold elections in a concentration camp...
        1. -18
          25 June 2025 07: 11
          Quote: Belisarius

          Citizen Putin was not elected by anyone at all; he was reappointed.

          I do not agree.
          Even if you conduct an anonymous poll here on VO - regarding the 24 elections, you will see that more than 50% voted for Putin.
          I conducted this survey in several versions.
          I don’t know what would have happened if less than 50% had voted for Putin, maybe he would have been appointed.
          But for now - everything is on our own...
          1. + 18
            25 June 2025 08: 14
            Quote: Vladimir-TTT
            Even if you conduct an anonymous poll here on VO - regarding the 24 elections, you will see that more than 50% voted for Putin.

            I have never voted for Putin and now I think it is right! And about 50%....Remember EBN? In 1996, before the elections, the rating of "...that one" was estimated at 2% to 5%! And suddenly he wins the elections! How did this happen? Why? Now evaluate your "more than 50%"! (According to rumors, the "election" ballots, stored in mined-out adits, were hastily destroyed soon after the elections!) Or "take" the "United Russia" party! Normal thinking people have not been able to talk about "United Russia" without swearing for a long time; but in elections, "United Russia" "regularly" wins with "deafening success"! Now think about the honesty of the regime ruling in the Russian Federation!
            1. -14
              25 June 2025 08: 17
              So you didn't go to the elections? Or you went, but voted against Putin?
              Closer to specifics.
          2. +9
            25 June 2025 08: 37
            If there were his supporters on the Internet, then there would be no need to hire paid bots to pretend to be his supporters with meaningless manuals that he is the best, the very best, that he saved, raised from his knees.
            1. -3
              26 June 2025 00: 30
              Quote: tatra
              there would be no need to hire paid bots

              You know everything, Irina! Did they offer you anything? laughing
            2. -7
              26 June 2025 12: 26
              If we recall the paid "Legion of Elves", it was Putin's opponents who had to hire bots to depict mass popular discontent.
          3. + 13
            25 June 2025 14: 36
            Quote: Vladimir-TTT
            I do not agree.

            Continuing with the crude but clear metaphor about the concentration camp: if you hold elections for a commandant in a concentration camp, then the one who always wins will be... You'll be surprised - the concentration camp administration. Why? Does this mean that the prisoners maintain order in the concentration camp? No. And why does this happen? Because...
            1) The candidates for elections are determined by the concentration camp administration.
            2) She also determines what they say and do.
            3) She is also responsible for disseminating information.
            4) She also establishes the election rules.
            5) She conducts elections.
            6) She controls the vote counting and approves the results.
            Who will win? Hmm, a million dollar riddle.... smile
            And what should we call those prisoners who, 30 years later, still go to such elections and believe in them, and even conduct social surveys on the topic of whether everyone went to them?
            I call them holy people.
            1. -6
              26 June 2025 00: 36
              But all this is about the elections in Ukraine.
            2. +1
              26 June 2025 00: 37
              Quote: Belisarius
              And what do you call those prisoners who, 30 years later, still go to such elections and believe in them, and even conduct social surveys on the topic of whether everyone went to them?
              I call them holy people.

              laughing good
            3. +2
              26 August 2025 10: 12
              Continuing with the crude but clear metaphor about the concentration camp: if you hold elections for a commandant in a concentration camp, then the one who always wins will be... You'll be surprised - the concentration camp administration. Why? Does this mean that the prisoners maintain order in the concentration camp? No. And why does this happen? Because...
              1) The candidates for elections are determined by the concentration camp administration.
              2) She also determines what they say and do.
              3) She is also responsible for disseminating information.
              4) She also establishes the election rules.
              5) She conducts elections.
              6) She controls the vote counting and approves the results.
              Who will win? Hmm, a million dollar riddle.... smile
              And what do you call those prisoners who, 30 years later, still go to such elections and believe in them, and even conduct social surveys on the topic of whether everyone went to them?
              I call them holy people.
              Generally, it's said very well! I'll have to remember it and use it as a guide in discussions with believers in "honest elections" Or print it out and post it at all polling stations, that would be a bomb! Or is that already extremism? what
        2. +9
          25 June 2025 07: 59
          Quote: Belisarius
          But formally... formally, both in the apartheid regime in South Africa, and in Paraguay, Stressnerra, and under Pinochet, elections and referendums of confidence were held, etc. You can have fun and hold elections in a concentration camp...
          So all dictators, eternal presidents, etc., always had an exorbitant rating according to polls before their fall. Mugabe, Ceausescu, Mubarak, etc. Gaddafi gathered a million people in the capital, and a few months later he was hiding in a ditch.
        3. +1
          28 June 2025 22: 04
          Our people are apolitical and indifferent. They won't even understand that Putin is a protégé of capital.
      3. +8
        25 June 2025 07: 06
        Unfortunately, we didn't choose it.
        1. -1
          7 November 2025 20: 26
          The people didn't elect him! They just calculated his election as president, and that's it! And all the anti-Putin papers were destroyed!
      4. +1
        29 June 2025 02: 55
        I tried hard to choose someone else, I even voted for Zhirinovsky... it didn't help.
    3. IVZ
      -9
      25 June 2025 06: 42
      Although, in fact, we all know the name of the man who lost everything, was constantly making mistakes, indulged the liberals of the Fifth Column in every possible way, carried out a disastrous personnel policy, surrounded himself with anti-Soviets, thieves and sycophants, was repeatedly deceived by the GDR pioneer, betrayed that fantastic "Russian Spring" and deprived himself of a unique opportunity to go down in history as Vladimir the Great.
      And he is the only one doing all this? Do you mean God? But even God has a team that must be taken into account, willy-nilly. And politicians of any rank do not appear out of nowhere and in proud solitude. Someone selects them for their team and spins them in their own interests. I understand that these are common truths that everyone knows, but they are somehow very rarely remembered when looking for "someone to blame for everything."
      1. + 10
        25 June 2025 08: 06
        Yes, they found him and promoted him. But the story about the galleys is precisely about how he then threw out the strangers and sat his own people next to him on the galley.
        1. -2
          26 June 2025 12: 32
          While everyone was waiting for him to do the opposite?
      2. VLR
        + 15
        25 June 2025 08: 10
        It is clear that EBN and his "family" of oligarchs did not just choose the unknown Putin as their "successor" for nothing. He probably gave "cast-iron" commitments, "swore allegiance", did not say a bad word about his "godfather", and recently opened a second anti-Soviet center in his name - this time in Moscow. But for so many years Putin had the opportunity to select a team and do a lot for Russia - instead of sending excess income from the sale of energy resources abroad as a tribute (and then wasting it there ineptly). But then the SVO began - and we saw the monstrous disorganization in the army, which had to be urgently replenished with criminals, the poverty of the Kremlin ideology, the failure of personal friends and the betrayal of the closest associates like Chubais, and the anti-Russian hysteria of the bohemians, who were pampered and licked in every possible way. It turns out that the "guarantor" failed to fulfill his responsibilities. As sad as it is to admit.
        1. -10
          25 June 2025 11: 22
          Somewhere on the Internet it was said that Putin, despite all his shortcomings, has at least one advantage - he NEVER betrayed!
          Now let's remember that in the history of Rus' since the time of the Kyiv princes, the first persons from power left only feet first. The only exception is Khrushchev, he was left a dacha, but he himself could not do anything, a vegetative existence until his natural death.
        2. -1
          26 June 2025 12: 19
          Quote: VlR
          betrayal of the closest associates like Chubais

          Well, the fact that the traitor betrayed again was a "surprise". laughing
        3. +2
          26 June 2025 12: 34
          the poverty of the Kremlin ideology

          According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, state ideology is prohibited.
          But in reality, the ideology of anti-communism is supported, and the victory in the Great Patriotic War is presented as a victory of the people in defiance of the communist power of the USSR.
        4. -1
          28 June 2025 22: 05
          Our people have always been in black body and will remain so.
      3. -1
        26 June 2025 00: 39
        Quote: IVZ
        But even God has a team

        I am not a believer of course, but I have never heard of this team. Maybe you can tell me more about it? Do you really mean the apostles by this team?
    4. + 21
      25 June 2025 07: 38
      He was afraid that the Russian Spring was beginning to lean towards socialism. Despite all the love for Russia, the flags were more red than tricolor.
      1. -1
        26 June 2025 00: 43
        Quote: Gardamir
        He was afraid that the Russian Spring was beginning to lean towards socialism.

        What are you talking about? The monarchist Strelkov led all of this, at least on the battlefield, and there were quite positive reports about him on federal channels at the time.
        1. +1
          26 June 2025 06: 01
          Strelkov was then asked to divert the threat from Crimea. It all happened as it happened. The main thing is that not a single shell fell on Crimea during that period. Air conditioners were exploding elsewhere.
    5. +7
      25 June 2025 08: 01
      Yes, all this concerns the very person whom the people trust by 82 percent or as we are assured that this is so And we have written because we are not trying to change anything Who wants to go to the elections? Those who do not go have already cast their vote for everything that is happening, joining the gray silent crowd that the system very carefully and neatly leads to the slaughter, disguised as patriotism and conflict with the West, and it basically believes that there is a rise from its knees And in fact, raw material capitalism is a sophisticated instrument for the destruction of the Russian nation
      1. -14
        25 June 2025 08: 04
        My first comment in this thread: 7 minuses, 2 pluses. It turns out - 7 either voted for Putin or did not go to the elections, and only 2 voted against Putin (such an express analysis)
        1. +4
          25 June 2025 08: 45
          What are you talking about? Do you seriously believe that if everyone comes to the elections and everyone votes for other candidates, then he won't "win"?
          And it’s funny that he demands from his enemies that they hold elections in their country, because he believes that their government can be changed through elections.
          1. -10
            25 June 2025 08: 51
            Did you go to the elections? Who did you vote for (or against)?
            1. +4
              25 June 2025 08: 56
              Don't ask others, but explain - why do you go to the elections yourself? Do you seriously believe that our elections are fair?
              And also - every week they brainwash us with the fact that 80% are for him, but VTsIOM has a second poll - about attitudes towards politicians in general, and in this poll 37-38% have been for him in the last year. This is closer to the truth.
              1. -7
                25 June 2025 09: 08
                I believe that if there is even a small chance to change something legally, we should use it. That is why I went to the elections and voted against Putin.
                But there are less than 10% of us.
                And my independent poll showed that even in my circle of friends, more than 50% voted for Putin.
                Well, what about you - are you ashamed to admit?
                1. +7
                  25 June 2025 09: 11
                  It still hasn’t dawned on you that people stopped going to the polls because they realized that there wasn’t even the slightest chance of change.
                  And this was the last time I voted in the elections - and that was because for some unknown reason Putin allowed Grudinin to participate.
                  1. +6
                    25 June 2025 11: 57
                    Quote: tatra
                    It still hasn’t dawned on you that people stopped going to the polls because they realized that there wasn’t even the slightest chance of change.

                    The political passivity of the population is not only connected with this. The political process in the country has been killed, there is no political competition. Parliamentary parties are branches of the pro-government "our home - Gazprom".
                    There may be many candidates in the elections, but somehow it turns out that only one prince can be chosen from those who make it to the elections, and voting against all of them is prohibited.
                    Not going to the elections means passively supporting the elections of the prince, since there is no minimum threshold for the elections.
                2. -2
                  26 June 2025 12: 39
                  You will be surprised, but the people in small towns and villages (and there are tens of millions of them) quite sincerely voted for him.
                  The fact that you and your inner circle voted against means little on a national scale.
              2. -2
                26 June 2025 02: 34
                Quote: tatra
                Don't ask others, but explain why you yourself go to the elections?

                If you ask me, I walk for my own pleasure! Why not take a walk to the site and give the bored employees there some work?
                Do you seriously believe that we have fair elections?

                A-ha-ha! Of course not.
          2. -3
            27 June 2025 08: 15
            It's one thing to argue that "If everyone had come and voted against Putin, he would have lost anyway," and another thing to accept the reality that the people are actually voting for Putin, certainly more than 70%.
        2. +4
          25 June 2025 11: 03
          It was around 2011. I was playing some game. The company had several games. And they created a general game forum where they discussed various non-game issues. I think the patriarch died then. They remembered him. So before the Duma elections, someone did a poll and about fifty percent voted for the Communist Party. I would like to point out again that the forum is neutral, not like here, people were playing games, but then they supported the communists. In reality, for some reason, 50% was for United Russia.
          1. -3
            26 June 2025 12: 43
            Most likely, the contingent of gamers there was middle-aged and older, from among those who not only lived in the USSR, but also experienced pre-perestroika times at a conscious age. Accordingly, the impression of the Communist Party (albeit a different one) was rather positive, as opposed to United Russia.
            And who remembered well the "holy 90s".
            1. +2
              26 June 2025 12: 51
              Possibly. By the way, such an idea, online games, as a method of statistics.
              For example, in 2009, Ukrainians were simply people living on the territory of the former USSR. In 2013, many already position themselves as Ukrainians. But there is no hatred towards Russians.
              By the way, as far as I remember, the Banderites sat in Western Ukraine and kept their heads down, the famous "hang a Muscovite" was only there. But the Kremlin put a lot of effort into making all of Ukraine hate the people of Russia.
              1. +1
                26 June 2025 13: 36
                Quote: Gardamir
                Possibly. By the way, such an idea, online games, as a method of statistics.
                For example, in 2009, Ukrainians were simply people living on the territory of the former USSR. In 2013, many already position themselves as Ukrainians. But there is no hatred towards Russians.
                By the way, as far as I remember, the Banderites sat in Western Ukraine and kept their heads down, the famous "hang a Muscovite" was only there. But the Kremlin put a lot of effort into making all of Ukraine hate the people of Russia.

                After the Maidan coup in Kyiv in 2014, no matter how you log into the game Tanki - World Of Tanks, before the start of each battle in the chat there was nothing but SUGS - Glory to Ukraine - Glory to the Heroes. A year later, these Slaviks were no longer in the game. They quickly got their fill of this SUGS in the cauldrons of Donbass. am
      2. +1
        26 June 2025 00: 45
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        getting up from your knees is underway

        In fact, the first person to speak about rising from our knees was a character for whom I have no censored language and who, in fact, brought the country to its knees in 1991.
      3. 0
        26 June 2025 17: 22
        Where is 82%?
        Where is it written?
    6. + 19
      25 June 2025 08: 25
      Unfortunately, many in Russia have not understood who is who Mr. Putin, although he admitted that he is essentially the main liberal, essentially a slave in the galleys of oligarchic clans, which in turn are manipulated by the West - hence the pension reform, and the import of Asian migrants to replace the indigenous peoples, and such a "strange military operation", and before that the derailed "Russian Spring" and the Minsk and Istanbul that followed. Conclusion - as long as this gang with the "great chess player" is in power, Russia will ultimately face death and collapse!
      1. -20
        25 June 2025 08: 48
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote: vasyliy1
        hence the pension reform and the import of Asian migrants

        Constitution of the Russian Federation. 105 Article
        n.1. Federal laws are adopted by the State Duma.


        Quote: vasyliy1
        Russia will ultimately face death and collapse!

        Putin, by starting the second Chechen war, prevented the collapse of Russia.
        1. +6
          25 June 2025 12: 01
          Quote: Boris55
          Putin, by starting the second Chechen war, prevented the collapse of Russia.

          Come on! laughing
      2. +3
        25 June 2025 11: 04
        By the way, yes, he tells everything about himself openly, but people believe in the invented.
      3. 0
        26 June 2025 00: 47
        Quote: vasyliy1
        As long as this gang with the "great chess player" remains in power, Russia will ultimately face death and collapse!

        Would it have been better with the deceased Navalny?
        1. -3
          26 June 2025 12: 46
          Would it have been better with the deceased Navalny?

          Now everyone would drive Mercedes and drink Bavarian beer! laughing
    7. -28
      25 June 2025 08: 30
      One of our own among strangers, a stranger among our own.

      Quote: VlR
      The word "we" is repeated many times. "We", you see, made a mistake, "we" was lost.

      Where "WE", there is the Russian spirit. There, where "Я", there is no Russian spirit there.

      The people trust their president. We elected this government and we do not absolve ourselves of responsibility for all their mistakes. Putin's pluses significantly outweigh his minuses. Let the one who makes no mistakes be the first to give me a minus.
      1. -12
        25 June 2025 08: 36
        Look, one saint has already appeared. laughing
    8. +1
      25 June 2025 19: 05
      Russian spring is a knife in the throat. Heartburn and horror of the ruling class of capitalist Russia. All this alone is enough to understand - the authorities do not need the Russian spring. No one betrayed anyone. The authorities of the capitalist country cannot allow you a Russian, or a German, or any spring, in any country.
      1. -1
        29 June 2025 03: 03
        Well, why not? In Israel you can
    9. -2
      25 June 2025 19: 14
      Yes Yes.
      Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is always an orphan
    10. AAK
      +5
      26 June 2025 11: 59
      Well, I completely agree with the list of "merits" of the Sun-faced Brilliant Grandmaster: yes, he was constantly wrong, indulged in every possible way, saw off, surrounded, was repeatedly deceived, betrayed and deprived himself of the opportunity... that is, the answer to the first Russian sacred question is clear - "Who is to blame?" But then this author, like many others like him, got stuck at the end of the story... once again there is no answer to the second sacred question for Russia, or rather to 3, interconnected in this context - What should we do? And, most importantly, who and with whom will lead us further, and, most importantly, what should we ultimately come to? But there are no answers to these questions, or rather, they seem to exist, but under current legislation you can get up to life imprisonment for them... on the one hand, you could take the risk, but on the other hand, "...there are no leaders (c)" and on the third hand, "...the tasks are not defined, the goals are not clear...", that is why the masses are in no hurry to respond to the slogan "To work, comrades!" something like that...
  2. + 18
    25 June 2025 04: 56
    That’s why no one is afraid of us: our elites in the West still have passports, assets, interests and connections.
    Conclusion - these elites are not ours. And they will not act in the interests of Russia and the Russian and other peoples of Russia, and accordingly they do not act.
    This is demonstrated by the parliamentary majority in the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
    1. +1
      25 June 2025 08: 53
      And here is Reuters insider information for 2023, a leak from our elites:
      “One senior Russian source familiar with the decision-making process said… ‘It will be more difficult and expensive for both Ukraine and Russia’… ‘Economic losses of this magnitude are not worth a few territories gained.’ The source said he believed many in the elite shared his view, although a public statement would invite swift retaliation… I do not believe in a major offensive or in the possibility of Russia defeating the entire civilized world,” said a second senior source close to the Kremlin, who also declined to be named. The source said Russia was at a disadvantage in terms of both military technology and motivation, but the war would still go on for a “very long time”… “The president believes he can win in Ukraine,” said a senior Russian source. “He certainly cannot lose the war. We will win.”
      1. +3
        25 June 2025 09: 01
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        "Economic losses of this magnitude are not worth a few conquered territories"

        And this is not a particularly depressing level, although the bottom is close. Because they count losses for their own pockets...
    2. +5
      25 June 2025 12: 08
      [quote=Vladimir_2U][quote]That's why no one is afraid of us: our elites in the West still have passports, assets, interests and connections.[/quote]
      This is the main mistake of Western politicians. Fortunately for us, they have hit the capital of our oligarchs and are making it difficult for them to withdraw funds from Russia to buy Western assets.
      When the sanctions are lifted, the accumulated financial flow will immediately flow to the West to buy new yachts, villas and estates. The ruble will collapse. For oligarchs, Russia is like an estate, they only feed themselves from it, and they prefer to live where "the climate is better"
    3. +2
      26 June 2025 00: 53
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Conclusion: these elites are not ours.

      Well, our great "friend" Brzezinski also said this.
    4. +2
      26 June 2025 17: 29
      Well, there are few Russians among these elites...
  3. +6
    25 June 2025 05: 04
    The continuation of the 2014 flagship anti-imperial path in 1991 is the main problem, not only because the "Russian Spring" was strangled, but also because people were deprived of a clear perspective for everyone, outside of which Russia cannot exist. It has been said a thousand times that only the imperial path is the path of Russia, coming from the depths of centuries and must continue to lead it into the future. But what kind of empire can there be if the communists since the time of Khrushchev cursed the Empire of Stalin who recreated it, and then these same communists brought to power the most flamboyant opponents of the Empire - Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And in 2014, Yeltsin's fledglings were already in power! And what, did you want these Yeltsinites to allow the Russian Spring that came to Crimea and Donbass in 2014 to spread throughout the entire outskirts and all the lands of the Russian Empire where Russians and people loyal to Russia live, like in the Baltics, in Moldova or Georgia? What are you talking about? The Yeltsinites are enemies of the imperial state of Russia - therefore they are enemies of Russia itself.
    1. + 18
      25 June 2025 05: 25
      Quote: north 2
      The Yeltsinists are enemies of the imperial state of Russia - therefore they are enemies of Russia itself.

      So Yeltsinites are in power now! am
      1. + 15
        25 June 2025 08: 54
        There is an extremely interesting opinion expressed by Oleg Tsarev back in 2022 regarding the policy of our elites: “You are at the top of power, you have become part of the country's elite... And suddenly life changes dramatically... Changes are needed, and changes can lead to a change in the ruling elite. How can this be avoided? Very simple, some of our officials in power argue. A controlled defeat in the war is necessary, concessions to the West that will allow the status quo to be returned, and therefore, to retain power... In such a situation, the old elites are not interested in Russia's victory. They are doing everything they can to prevent the military actions from ending as quickly as possible with the defeat of the enemy. That is why our troops are so cautious, they do not launch massive strikes on all critical life-support facilities of the Ukrainian infrastructure. That is why we do not seize Western assets, which would be a logical symmetrical measure in response to the financial and economic sanctions of the West. We continue to pay off debts to "unfriendly countries." We do everything “to demonstrate to the enemy that we are ready to pay and repent, repent and pay.”
        1. +8
          25 June 2025 10: 53
          Quote: Alexander Odintsov
          We are ready to pay and repent, repent and pay."

          And continue to think that our elite will be accepted into the club of their bourgeoisie....
      2. -13
        25 June 2025 08: 54
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote from Uncle Lee
        So Yeltsinites are in power now!

        Not Yeltsinites, but Vlasovites - whose flag is above the country, have they really forgotten?
        And these?
        1. +1
          25 June 2025 10: 50
          Quote: Boris55
          Not Yeltsinists, but Vlasovites

          I haven't forgotten!
        2. +5
          25 June 2025 15: 06
          Have you seen the presidential standard? Who is the Chief Vlasovite?
        3. -1
          26 June 2025 00: 56
          Quote: Boris55
          Not Yeltsinists, but Vlasovites

          Actually, these are synonyms.
    2. -2
      26 June 2025 02: 14
      Quote: North 2
      It has been said a thousand times already that only the imperial way There is a path of Russia that goes back centuries and must continue in order to lead it into the future.

      "Imperial", pardon me, is nonsense. An empire implies the existence of a metropolis and colonies. Who or what are they going to colonize?
      ...the communists since Khrushchev's time have cursed the Empire of Stalin who recreated it

      Stalin is a communist who fought against the Russian Empire. This is if anyone has forgotten or didn't know.
  4. +4
    25 June 2025 05: 04
    My friends! Please do not forget that by 2014 a new generation had already grown up in Ukraine, a generation that did not know what the USSR was, and if they did, it was only in a negative light. And this generation was brought up on completely different values. That's about it
    1. + 22
      25 June 2025 05: 19
      In Ukraine in 2014, even the Nazis did not know the Ukrainian language! In Ukraine, with the exception of three western regions, people were ready to become Russians. What Ukrainians are there in Kyiv, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk? The purely Russian family of my mother's sister, who accidentally ended up in Ukraine in the 3s - are they really Ukrainians? And there are plenty of such families - both mixed and purely Russian. It was necessary to try very hard in 80 to betray these people, and then through the blood spilled since February 2014 to make them hate Russia
      1. + 14
        25 June 2025 05: 31
        Quote: vet
        It was necessary to try very hard in 2014 to betray these people, and then through the blood spilled since February 2022 to make them hate Russia

        We tried our best...
      2. +4
        25 June 2025 08: 06
        Everything is correct, statistics say this. Only in the West did you not support us.
      3. +4
        25 June 2025 12: 33
        Quote: vet
        In Ukraine in 2014, even the Nazis did not know the Ukrainian language! In Ukraine, with the exception of three western regions, people were ready to become Russians. What kind of Ukrainians are there in Kyiv, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk?

        Yeah... but just a couple of years after the Maidan, these same "eastern" and "central" Russians made up the majority of the Ukrainian Armed Forces fighting in the ATO against the DPR and LPR. Because the western patriots of the independent state were not eager to go to the front.
        And other Russians, with shock labor, often with delayed wages and without heating in the workshops, built and repaired equipment for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Including in "pro-Russian" Kharkov.
      4. -3
        26 June 2025 12: 55
        As far as I know, back in 2015, residents of Ukraine who were quite Russian by nationality cursed and called their closest relatives in Russia occupiers because they refused to give money for a bulletproof vest for their nephew so that he could kill Russians in Donbass.
        1. 0
          30 June 2025 11: 03
          Oh yeah... I remember these screenshots of the correspondence on Peremogi - "Dear relatives in Russia, give me some money for gear so that my son can beat you, damned Muscovites". belay
    2. +7
      25 June 2025 08: 04
      Yes, a new generation has grown up, but then there was also an old one and it went out into the streets. But then Zelensky ground it up or sent it to forced slaughter.
    3. +7
      25 June 2025 08: 09
      The most interesting thing is that the new Ukrainian generation was raised not by the bank, but by the Kremlin.
  5. BAI
    +7
    25 June 2025 06: 11
    Istanbul-2.

    Istanbul-2" will end

    The city is called Istanbul. The article never named it correctly.
    1. 0
      25 June 2025 09: 37
      Here too, I read and think, is this trolling or a lack of education? If you allow such grammatical errors, is it possible to make mistakes in other things?
  6. 0
    25 June 2025 06: 21
    I, like Yanukovych, want to ask the Skakuas -
  7. + 13
    25 June 2025 06: 38
    Apparently, after the dismantling of the USSR, Russia had tacit agreements that under no circumstances would we annex the “fragments” of the USSR, and also would not develop our own industrial production.
    It's clear as day that such a deal existed, to some extent it still exists and the Russian Federation is trying to adhere to it, judging by its actions in foreign and domestic policy. But... all this is being done, to the detriment of the Russian people. Speaking about the Russian Spring, we must recall May 2014 and the arrival in the Russian Federation of the Swiss president with an interesting surname - Burkhalter. Before his arrival, everything went well to the fact that the entire left bank would become part of the Russian Federation, referendums were to be held, there were talks about this in the Duma, the echelons of power, also about ending the violence of the Kyiv authorities against people in the eastern regions. A no-fly zone was proposed, the introduction of troops as in 2022. But with the arrival of Burkhalter, everything went dark at once.
    Russian President Vladimir Putin called for a referendum on the future of southeastern Ukraine scheduled for May 11 to be postponed, and said the elections in Kyiv were "a move in the right direction."
    What did VVP Burkhalter say?
    1. + 12
      25 June 2025 07: 07
      Well, if he is a Swiss president, then there is only one thought - money in Swiss banks.
      1. +5
        25 June 2025 08: 11
        At that time, he was also the OSCE Chairman.
  8. + 15
    25 June 2025 07: 03
    The further we go, the stronger the assumption becomes that with our current elite we cannot expect victory in the Ukrainian conflict. It is difficult to win if the government talks not about victory, but about negotiations. In essence, nothing has changed since 2004. On our part, there is still an absolutely unrealistic hope for a change of the Kyiv regime by democratic means and attempts to reach an agreement.

    Our "negotiation-agreement" mafia still holds decisive positions. And this despite the fact that over the last 20 years it has led to Russia being deceived time after time.

    This is a tragedy.
    1. +5
      25 June 2025 09: 01
      Quote: avia12005
      …the "negotiation-contract" mafia still holds decisive positions. And this despite the fact that over the past 20 years it has led to Russia being deceived time after time. This is a tragedy.

      Russia has no clearly defined policy on how to work with former relatives, and it still does not. The goals are not defined - there are no tools. Conversations about the good not enough. 404 formatted the West, the Central Asian republics are actively processed by the Turks and China, the Turks are also actively making a move on the territory of Russia - it will not be friendship and chewing gumThe bear will either stop acting like a ram or he will be gobbled up
      1. +1
        25 June 2025 16: 14
        If he were like a ram, he might even hit the gate out of stupidity, but here it’s even hard to find a suitable animal.
  9. + 11
    25 June 2025 07: 08
    All this fuss with Ukraine will continue until the leader in Russia changes.
    The current one, as it has become fashionable to say, can’t handle it...
    1. -1
      25 June 2025 12: 08
      Quote: Million
      All this fuss with Ukraine will continue until the leader in Russia changes.
      The current one, as it has become fashionable to say, can’t handle it...

      Yes, he takes everything out, but his task is to transport it in the other direction.
  10. + 16
    25 June 2025 07: 28
    To so ineptly squander everything that came into his hands. And this squandering has a name, a position, apparently for life. At this rate, there's more to come. Gorbachev is still being branded, but is the current one any better?
    1. -15
      25 June 2025 07: 50
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      And this screw-up has a name, a job title, apparently for life. At this rate, there's more to come. Gorbachev is still being branded, but is the current one any better?

      I repeat - all by yourself. You chose yourself - no need to blame the mirror, looking for someone to blame.
      Back in 2018, it could have been written off as a mistake. But in 2024?!
      Two years of grinding and regrouping, shelling of regions - and people go... and vote for Putin...
      1. +5
        25 June 2025 08: 50
        I'm wondering, are you really that stupid or are you pretending?
        1. -10
          25 June 2025 08: 56
          Can you answer - did you go to the elections or not? If you did - who did you vote for or against?
          I went. I voted against Putin. But there are probably less than 10% of us like that.
          1. +5
            25 June 2025 08: 57
            Everything is clear, unfortunately you are still stupid.((
            1. -8
              25 June 2025 09: 03
              Because of "smart" people like you, Russia is in a well-known mess, and the SVO is striving for infinity.
              But are you still ashamed to tell the truth?
          2. +4
            25 June 2025 09: 02
            There is such a concept as logic, and according to this logic, if such a huge number of citizens were for him, then he would not have to pay to hire those who pose as his supporters on the Internet, and he would not be afraid to allow even the slightest opposition to him to participate in the elections.
            And those who vote for him themselves are not able to adequately explain why.
            1. -9
              25 June 2025 09: 04
              Answer for yourself - did you not go to the elections?
              1. +3
                25 June 2025 09: 07
                If you insist so much, explain what is the point of going to the elections?
                1. -8
                  25 June 2025 09: 11
                  A legal way to try to change something without violating the constitution. If there are more than 50% of us - those who want Putin to be at the top.
                  Now will you answer?
          3. -9
            25 June 2025 09: 55
            I went. I voted against Putin.

            And I voted FOR. And I am not ashamed of it at all. I also don’t like some aspects, but our opposition will not only sell out Ukraine, but will also sell out Russia. What seems like mistakes and miscalculations to us from below may in fact turn out to be a cog in the machine of big politics.
            I also think that in 2014 all these Maidans should have been dispersed with sticks, but I also remember that the share of domestic food products on store shelves was no more than 10-15%. If the West stopped deliveries one day, they themselves would have howled and gone to overthrow the Tsar, and they would not have remembered Ukraine.
            1. +4
              25 June 2025 09: 58
              Well, yes, the main propaganda for him is not that he did something useful for the country and the people, but that without him everything will immediately become worse.
              1. -10
                25 June 2025 10: 16
                Question: - Do you want it like in the 90s?
                Or maybe I do want to. Maybe I want to sit on a bench with a bottle of beer so I don't get fined for it. Or smoke in the vestibule of a train.
                If the opposition promises me this, then I might think about it. But for now my choice is obvious.
                1. +8
                  25 June 2025 10: 27
                  Which is what had to be proven. Those who vote for him are not capable of answering honestly and adequately what he has done that is so useful for the country and the people during his enormous term of rule, and for the colossal - in comparison with his sometimes sober benefactor - budget revenues.
                  1. -13
                    25 June 2025 10: 39
                    what did he do that was so useful for the country and the people

                    Let's refresh our memory. Decree on the abolition of mutual offsets in settlements between enterprises. It was 2000, I think, before this decree people received their salaries in flour and sugar.
                    Putin has been calling for buying domestic goods and not taking money abroad all his life. He even took Crimea for you so that you could warm your asses in our country, and not in Turkeys of all sorts. Now he is making a direct road there, and you are still unhappy.
                    1. +7
                      25 June 2025 10: 47
                      Ha, well again, what was required to be proven - he did nothing useful during the enormous period of his rule, he only preserved what he was put on the "throne" for - the same quality of bureaucracy and "elite", the same System of enriching the enemies of the USSR at the expense of the country and the people, the same wretched raw materials-import economy.
                      1. -8
                        25 June 2025 10: 53
                        a miserable raw materials-import economy.

                        You wouldn't say that. We have 99.9% of our own meat, chicken too. There are no problems with food, so to speak, we are self-sufficient. Where else can you find that? We produce all our building materials. We build our own housing, not without the help of foreign specialists, but we don't buy reinforcement or bricks abroad. What else do you need?
                        Yes, now we have potholes on the roads in villages being patched up based on requests on social networks.
                      2. +4
                        25 June 2025 10: 59
                        There is NOTHING of their own. The enemies of the USSR with their highly paid "work" for 33 years have had everything either Soviet, or imported, or made from imported materials, raw materials, components.
                        And if we remove all imported products and leave only those produced according to Soviet GOSTs, then their favorite “Holodomor” will come - there will be very few products, and they will be at such high prices that the majority of people will not be able to buy them.
                        And already now food inflation for the people is several times higher than it is for the rich.
                      3. -9
                        25 June 2025 11: 22
                        Well, yes, they looked up to Europe. And now the people are looking, they want to live like in Europe. Is it Putin's fault again that you don't want to buy domestic products? How can you develop your own?
                      4. + 12
                        25 June 2025 11: 41
                        Quote: Village
                        We build housing ourselves, not without the help of foreign specialists, but we do not buy reinforcement and bricks abroad. What else do you need?

                        What do we have of our own? The workers are foreign migrants. The equipment, tools, and fixtures are imported. Only the sand and cement are still ours. But the scroungers and bots will find a reason for false pride here too!
                      5. -9
                        25 June 2025 11: 45
                        Equipment, tools, and accessories are imported

                        You forgot about the nails. Although no - we make the nails ourselves.
                      6. + 10
                        25 June 2025 11: 48
                        Quote: Village
                        You forgot about the nails. Although no - we make the nails ourselves.

                        I haven't forgotten. Half of the nails are also imported.
                        Go to the Vseinstrumenti website. There are plenty of Chinese nails! Even nails, damn it. I won't even mention hammers and axes.
                      7. -3
                        25 June 2025 11: 52
                        There are plenty of Chinese nails!

                        Are there any Russian ones?
                      8. +6
                        25 June 2025 11: 53
                        Quote: Village
                        Are there any Russian ones?

                        For now, there is. But if it continues like this, then eventually there won't be!
                      9. -8
                        25 June 2025 11: 55
                        Of course it won't be if you don't buy. It's a market after all.
                      10. +7
                        25 June 2025 11: 57
                        Quote: Village
                        It's a market after all.

                        Will the market decide? I've heard this somewhere from the Kremlin guys.
                      11. -14
                        25 June 2025 12: 02
                        And who, Putin, should decide for you what to buy? I repeat, he is already bending over backwards for you to buy domestic products and vacation at our resorts. And you all go abroad and bring all sorts of infections from there. Then you complain about medicine. And where is the budget going to get money for the development of our medicine?
                      12. + 10
                        25 June 2025 12: 06
                        Quote: Village
                        And where Should the budget take money for the development of our medicine?

                        Where billionaires get their huge money. True, they might not have enough then!
                      13. -10
                        25 June 2025 12: 10
                        where billionaires get their huge amounts of money.

                        I'm too lazy to look now, I saw graphs of how much money our oligarchs take abroad, and how much our citizens take abroad on vacation. So the numbers there are incomparable, and the share of allegorkhut is like a drop in the ocean.
                      14. +5
                        25 June 2025 12: 39
                        Quote: Village
                        And who, Putin, should decide for you what to buy?

                        It's simple: people are not fools and make purchases based on the price-quality criterion. And here is the "ambush" for the domestic manufacturer:
                        - to make it cheaper, you need cheap working capital and borrowed funds, but their loan rate is 0-5%, and ours is 25-30%, i.e. our goods are automatically 20% more expensive than imported ones
                        - to do it well and cheaply, you need modern equipment that increases labor productivity and reduces costs. But it is either not available, or it is more expensive than imported (see the previous point). Add to this the constant depreciation of the ruble.
                        The Finite La Comedy
                      15. -10
                        25 June 2025 14: 13
                        People are not fools and make purchases based on the price-quality criterion

                        People buy based on public opinion imposed by Western imperialists. Domestic, and even with a name in Cyrillic fi. But imported, even if more expensive, quality!
                      16. -3
                        25 June 2025 16: 23
                        The ambush is not in the Central Bank rate. A bad business is one that opens or develops on credit.
                      17. +5
                        25 June 2025 16: 56
                        Quote: a.shlidt
                        A bad business is one that is opened or developed on credit.

                        With this approach, many potential entrepreneurs simply will not open their business, because they cannot accumulate the necessary amount of initial funds. They will not be able to scale a successful business, due to the lack of working capital. They will not survive the crisis, because they will not have funds for insurance. Credit is extremely necessary for the success of entrepreneurs.
                        Another alternative is the issue of shares, but it is suitable for already developed businesses and does not work at all in Russia.
                      18. -3
                        25 June 2025 17: 10
                        The investment amount for small production is approximately 2 million. Even at a rate of 21%, payments can be handled, the business will survive, your profit will just be 0,5 - 0,7%, which is no longer pleasing. This is provided that you find a place in the market and are competitive.
                        Large-scale production is not done on the fly, but immediately based on needs. Basically, there are already contracts for the supply of products, although the foundation of the plant has not been poured. The amounts from the launch are from 15 million, BUT! The state initially issues patents, subsidies and grants. As with the farming.
                        But let the existing production facilities be optimized and become profitable, so that they can develop on earned money, and not on state money. Russian Railways and Gazprom, for example. Zenit and Lokomotiv will stop buying expensive players.
                        So the opinion that high rates kill business is not entirely correct.
                      19. -4
                        26 June 2025 13: 08
                        They choose products based on the price/quality ratio of UNITS, and most people choose, for example, not our excellent chrome-vanadium screwdrivers, but cheaper ordinary Chinese screwdrivers with a coating.
                      20. -3
                        26 June 2025 13: 04
                        Nails are actually not difficult to make - you can even buy a Chinese nailing machine and start making nails in any electrified garage. But the Chinese produce nails by the billions and even with delivery their nails are an order of magnitude cheaper than ours.
                        The people themselves vote with their rubles for cheap things, even if they are of worse quality.
                      21. -8
                        25 June 2025 16: 19
                        rich raw materials-import economy

                        They started building during the Soviet Union. If everything had been good then, there would have been no collapse. Don't attribute other people's sins to others.
                      22. +4
                        25 June 2025 16: 24
                        It is precisely you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, who always cowardly shift the blame and responsibility onto others for what you did both under the communists and under your anti-Soviet government, starting with Gorbachev and the perestroika people.
                        And you, worthless ones with your big, big show-offs, have ruined ALL industries compared to the USSR, and have turned out to be capable only of parasitizing on what was created, built, and produced by Soviet communists and their supporters.
                        BUT you brag about how much you HAVE achieved.
                      23. -7
                        25 June 2025 16: 31
                        You won’t be able to name even five Soviet enterprises that produced products with high added value, i.e. high-tech products that would be popular on the international market.
                      24. +2
                        25 June 2025 16: 34
                        That is, there are no objections to what I wrote about you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people? That's your entire "ideology" for all 33 years - AGAINST others, and FOR yourself, for the results of your highly paid work, you have nothing. And at the same time, you still imagined that you are better than the communists and their supporters, and better than all the enemies of the USSR who seized the remaining republics of the USSR.
                      25. -2
                        25 June 2025 16: 47
                        I've gotten used to your speeches about "Enemies of the USSR" and similar expressions. They are no longer impressive. But it is impossible to have a constructive dialogue with you. After all, you still haven't listed five enterprises.
                      26. 0
                        25 June 2025 16: 51
                        You, enemies of the USSR, with your "freedom of speech" have proven that you are not capable of dialogue or discussion. All your propaganda and ideology, your comments are only AGAINST others.
                        Now, what do you want? For me to crucify myself before you, and for you to do the favorite thing of the enemies of the USSR - criticism.
                      27. -1
                        25 June 2025 17: 19
                        Now, what do you want?

                        What would you call it?
                        five Soviet enterprises that produced products with high added value, i.e. high-tech products that would be popular on the international market.
                      28. -1
                        25 June 2025 17: 21
                        You were engaged in the favorite pastime of the enemies of the USSR - criticism.

                        In this case, you are the one doing the "criticism". Is this your favorite thing to do?
                      29. 0
                        25 June 2025 17: 39
                        Well, write it yourself, we'll all be happy.
                      30. -2
                        26 June 2025 08: 22
                        That's the point, I don't know them. I don't know about Soviet goods popular on international markets, except for the countries of the socialist camp. Only raw materials.
                      31. 0
                        26 June 2025 01: 31
                        Quote: a.shlidt
                        ...products with high added value, i.e. high-tech,

                        -- these concepts are not related to each other, i.e. there is no "i.e." :)
                        As an example, I can cite enterprises for the extraction and processing of raw materials. There is a lot of added value, little technology, and high popularity on the international market. And there are not 5 such enterprises, but 500 :))
                      32. -1
                        26 June 2025 08: 25
                        Well, technically you are right. Let's clarify that the product should not be raw materials. After all, we were talking about a raw materials economy.
                    2. +6
                      25 June 2025 11: 37
                      Quote: Village
                      Throughout his reign, Putin has been calling for people to buy domestic goods and not to take money abroad.

                      And how is it going?
                      1. -9
                        25 June 2025 11: 50
                        Thanks to the sanctions policy of the Americans, there is definitely success.
                        Striped ones really make Russians love their homeland.
                      2. -4
                        25 June 2025 16: 32
                        Compared to 1990? Big, I think.
                      3. -1
                        25 June 2025 16: 38
                        For example ?
                        Ha, yes, all the enemies of the USSR who captured the republics of the USSR are the same, and they equally ruined all industries compared to the USSR, they equally began to parasitize at the expense of the freebies that they got from the USSR, at the expense of imported food and manufactured goods, the work of foreign firms.
                        BUT only some of them are trying to make things even worse for the State they created and its people.
                      4. -4
                        25 June 2025 16: 50
                        Let's take a product that represents the West. Burger and Coke. This product is currently 100% Russian-made. Or chicken legs. They are ours. And in 1995, everyone ate Bush legs. Not impressed by the example?
                      5. +3
                        25 June 2025 16: 55
                        Ha, the hatching egg is imported, everything needed to raise chickens is imported, including growth hormones and equipment. And while chicken was food for the poor for 30 years, now its price has risen sharply.
                        And the thing about Burger and Cola is generally funny.
                      6. -1
                        25 June 2025 17: 17
                        hatching egg imported

                        Makes up 5-6% of the total number in Russia.
                        growth hormones and equipment

                        Again, it exists, but most of it has long been domestic.
                        And about Burger and Cola

                        You remained silent. Just like about the five Soviet enterprises.
                      7. 0
                        25 June 2025 20: 09
                        Quote: a.shlidt
                        Compared to 1990? Big, I think.

                        Yes, they are now withdrawing many times more than in the 90s. What a success!
                      8. -2
                        26 June 2025 08: 17
                        Please remind me how many times the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the USSR decreased between 1981 and 1990? Also, please clarify what exactly it was spent on.
                      9. 0
                        26 June 2025 08: 24
                        Quote: a.shlidt
                        Please remind me, how many times did the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the USSR decrease in the period from 1981 to 1990? Also bring clarification of what exactly he left for.

                        Remind me yourself and bring me yourself. Am I your servant or what?
                      10. -2
                        26 June 2025 08: 36
                        First of all, servants are not asked. And my request was expressed in a civilized manner. But your answer is not so much.
                        The point is that either you can’t, or these figures don’t fit with your concepts of “the success and satiety of the USSR” in the late period and the plundering, theft and inferiority of today’s Russia.
                        And in general, in a dialogue with people like you and tatra (Irina), any argumentation is criticized, sometimes even with funny conclusions. You, like a bot or a fifth column, will always criticize the current government, no matter what the political system is in the Russian Empire, the USSR, or the Russian Federation.
                      11. -1
                        26 June 2025 09: 00
                        And wouldn't the reduction in gold and foreign exchange reserves from 1953 to 1982 be more significant?
            2. +1
              26 June 2025 00: 58
              Quote: Village
              but I also remember that the share of domestic food products on store shelves was no more than 10-15%.

              And who did this? wink laughing
          4. +2
            25 June 2025 12: 09
            Quote: Vladimir-TTT
            I went. I voted against Putin.

            Was there such a column in the ballot?
      2. 0
        25 June 2025 12: 30
        Quote: Vladimir-TTT
        But in 2024?!

        What were the alternatives? Remind me
    2. -1
      26 June 2025 01: 04
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      Gorbachev is still being denounced, but is the current one better?

      In this comparison better.
      1. -1
        26 June 2025 13: 05
        Especially for the minus-voter, if Gorbachev were in power now, Russia would no longer exist.
  11. + 13
    25 June 2025 07: 45
    If Putin were in Yanukovych's place in Kyiv, it would be the same. I am 100% sure. Their actions would not be any different. This is confirmed by all of Putin's actions after 2014.
    1. 0
      25 June 2025 15: 34
      Quote: Alexander Trebuntsev
      If Putin were sitting in Yanukovych's place in Kyiv

      If only, yes if only... No if. It is what it is. The "communists", and all of them were former communists with ranks and positions, divided the country into appanage principalities and wanted to be Grand Dukes... I'll buy a village of serfs and rule little by little. It turns out they were afraid of the Russian spring. Both ours and the West.
    2. -5
      26 June 2025 13: 14
      Putin has Faberge, but Yanukovych doesn't. That's the big difference.
  12. + 11
    25 June 2025 07: 52
    An emotional article, but I agree with every word. The author clearly and vividly laid out everything that was boiling in his soul. He laid out the causes and consequences of the betrayal of the pro-Russian population of Ukraine in 2014. That he did not indicate the last name, first name and patronymic is also understandable. What is scary is something else; those who did a lot of things in 2014-22 are still leading the country and determining policy. And it seems that they have not understood anything and have not learned anything.
    1. -5
      25 June 2025 07: 58
      Quote: oleg Pesotsky
      And it seems that they didn’t understand anything and didn’t learn anything.

      They are us. Those who comment here angrily - but the majority either did not go to the elections, or went and voted for Putin.
      You, Oleg - what did you do in March 2024?
  13. + 16
    25 June 2025 08: 05
    We still need to figure out who made a more monstrous mistake. There was a mediator between the West (illegal Maidan) and Ukraine (legitimate President Yanukovych). It was he who convinced Yanukovych to accept the West's conditions. Instead of doing the opposite! And then, he simply disclaimed all responsibility and made it clear that he had nothing to do with it: he said, well, I was deceived!
    1. + 12
      25 June 2025 09: 57
      As the British publication The Times claimed, it was a phone call from Russian President Vladimir Putin that convinced Viktor Yanukovych to make concessions and stop the bloodshed in Kyiv. The President himself later confirmed this version, saying that it was a deception.
  14. +8
    25 June 2025 08: 08
    "And, having rejected the raw materials model in Russia, to propose an alternative - model of growth and prosperity, potentially spreading it to new territories."

    But they could only offer a model of raw material stability and slow decline. And in addition to this (the cherry on the cake!) the gradual replacement of the indigenous population by Muslim migrants.

    "Did Yanukovych have a choice? There was, but he showed his weakness."

    No, it wasn't. Yanukovych was doomed. He was never a strong and independent figure. He needed support in the war with the West and the Maidan. "Support," instead of calling for not trusting the West and acting tough, instead of sending a thousand peacekeepers (as was the case in Kazakhstan), convinced him of the opposite: to make a fraudulent deal with the West.
    1. -11
      25 June 2025 08: 59
      The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

      Quote: Stas157
      instead of sending a thousand peacekeepers

      We didn't have such peacekeepers at that time. The beginning of the SVO clearly demonstrated this.
      1. + 10
        25 June 2025 09: 02
        Quote: Boris55
        We didn't have such peacekeepers at that time. The beginning of the SVO clearly demonstrated this.

        For Kazakhstan, however, they found something. In a couple of days, they solved a huge problem and saved the legitimate government of Kazakhstan.
        1. -13
          25 June 2025 09: 07
          The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

          Quote: Stas157
          There was one for Kazakhstan

          CSTO peacekeeping operation in Kazakhstan - January 2022
          The coup d'etat in Ukraine - 2014.

          The difference is 8 years. After 8 years we were able to do it. Then - no, there was no strength and our society was not ready for it.
          1. + 11
            25 June 2025 09: 14
            Quote: Boris55
            There was no strength and our society was not ready for this.

            Minimal forces were used in Kazakhstan. And of course they were there in 2014. Let me remind you that in 2008, much larger forces defeated the Georgian army. And in 2014, the Ukrainian army ended up in the Ilovaisk cauldron. Then, in 2015, there was another defeat in Debaltseve. But no one even thought to build on the success! Instead, our president proposed (himself!) the Minsk agreements, which had no alternative.
            1. -11
              25 June 2025 09: 42
              Russia does not start wars, it ends them.
              Quote: Stas157
              In 2008, they defeated the Georgian army with much greater forces.

              Putin barely managed to gather what was left of the Soviet army for the war on 08.08.02 across the country... By the beginning of the century, the number of people in the RF Armed Forces was ~200 thousand (now ~2 million).

              Quote: Stas157
              Our president suggested (himself!) no alternative Minsk agreements.

              According to which the slaughter of Russians, on both sides, to the delight of the West, ended. Ukraine returned to those principles according to which they were granted independence - neutral, demilitarized, etc. Refusal of the initial agreements automatically leads to Ukraine's renunciation of independence and return to Russia.

              The Minsk agreements returned Ukraine to the original agreements when it left the USSR. They preserved Ukraine's independent status.

              We tried to keep the peace, but the Ukrainians chose war.
              1. + 11
                25 June 2025 11: 45
                Putin barely managed to gather what was left of the Soviet army for the war across the country 08.08.02
                At that point, Putin had been president for eight years. At that point, he had the best defense minister.
                And what Soviet army are you writing about if federalism marched across the country for 16 years.
            2. 0
              25 June 2025 18: 19
              Quote: Stas157
              In 2008, they defeated the Georgian army with much greater forces.

              In 2008, a test was conducted to see if the Russian army could resist the Georgian bandits. And when it turned out that it could, Serdyukov began to finish it off (the Russian army). But he didn't have time.
        2. +8
          25 June 2025 09: 57
          Let us recall that in January 2022, at the request of the President of Kazakhstan Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, in connection with mass protests that escalated into armed clashes between protesters and government forces in Almaty, a CSTO peacekeeping operation was successfully carried out in Kazakhstan by Russia and other member countries of the organization.
        3. +5
          25 June 2025 11: 41
          It looks more like a coup. Instead of Nazarbayev, his deputy took his place.
        4. -1
          26 June 2025 01: 10
          Quote: Stas157
          saved the legitimate government of Kazakhstan.

          They saved us, but as always they repaid us with ingratitude.
    2. -3
      26 June 2025 13: 18
      Ukraine, unlike Kazakhstan, at one time refused to join the CSTO.
  15. +9
    25 June 2025 09: 25
    How short people's memories are.
    Forgotten all the news of that time, all the reports about how the Ukrainian oligarchs made the Maidan "so that the Russians and the pro-Russian president wouldn't take everything away"
    How "kids with guns" from Russia, and military men on "vacation", and retired FSB officers "made a revolution", and the local people "stood and drank beer" while they were "protected" and led to unemployment, meager wages and shelling.

    11 years have passed, the oligarchs are untouchable, Strelkov is sitting at the helm, even in the "independent" LPR and DPR, the United Russia members have long been openly present...

    And you can write whatever you want for the fun of time. Either USA and NATO are to blame, or we will sell USA and NATO more and more, or with the "warming" we will develop rare earths and lithium in new territories with USA and NATO...
    1. + 11
      25 June 2025 10: 01
      11 years have passed, the oligarchs are untouchable, Strelkov is sitting at the helm, even in the "independent" LPR and DPR, the United Russia members have long been openly present...
      Strelkov is sitting Popov, the main creator of the 2024 counteroffensive waste - too. Hero of the SVO Prigozhin has gone to another world. And General Armageddon Surovikin was sent far away into honorable political exile. All this reflects our reality.
  16. +7
    25 June 2025 10: 20
    "Our indecisiveness, anti-Sovietism, anti-imperial course and the same factors that caused Yanukovych's fiasco created the possibility of a fascist revenge on all Ukrainian - also Russian - land."


    Representatives of the Russian government only verbally expressed concern about the speculation of the "Holodomor of Ukraine". Nothing was done to counteract this in Ukraine itself, and later in the world.


     In 1993, under the Kravchuk government, a decree was issued "On events in connection with the 60th anniversary of the Holodomor in Ukraine" and the first nationwide memorial event was organized, when flags were lowered at all government institutions and about the "Holodomor". The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine carried out active work to introduce information about the famine into the UNESCO calendar of memorable dates. In the same 1993, their president took part in an international conference dedicated to the Holodomor, where he directly stated that the famine was directly initiated by Moscow with the aim of genocide of Ukrainians.

    In 1998, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine adopted a resolution for the 65th anniversary of the Holodomor, which already defined a list of memorial events. Kuchma founded the "Day of Remembrance of the Holodomor" that same year.


    V. Yushchenko In 2007-2008, he conducted a major ideological campaign, the addressees of which were not only the citizens of his country, but also the international community. 2008 was declared the Year of Remembrance of the Victims of the Holodomor, in parallel with this, the campaign "Ukraine Remembers - the World Recognizes" was carried out. Then, a special working group was created under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, the task of which was to disseminate information about the Holodomor at the international level through Ukrainian embassies, in which the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was assisted by the diaspora. As a result, the parliaments of 13 countries, including the USA, Canada, Italy, Peru, Ecuador, Poland, Hungary and others, recognized the Holodomor as genocide of Ukrainians.
  17. -12
    25 June 2025 11: 09
    Yes, there would have been screams, threats, sanctions, but, having wiped out the initial onslaught, we would have stood firm – the West would have been unable to oppose us, and Ukraine’s military potential was simply insignificant at that time.

    I have already written about this here more than once and I can repeat it again.
    Two questions for the author and other jingoistic patriots:
    1. If the Crimean sanctions of 2014 were applied to all of Russia, would we have survived?
    2. If the 2022 sanctions had been applied in 2014, would we have survived?
    I don't think so. I just want to remind everyone that in 2014 we didn't have a national payment system, either for citizens or on the interbank market. Information for reference: in February 2022, 75-80% of card transactions were made using Visa and MasterCard (people, do you remember what that is), despite the fact that public sector employees and other pensioners, which is half the population, were being kicked into Mir. I received my first salary in cash in 19922, and I remember very well how it happened. Our payroll agent, a man of impressive build, didn't go to collect his salary alone, but in the company of two or three strong comrades. We've already had cases of attacks on payroll agents, and he did it for a percentage of the salary he was handing out. Am I the only one who remembers settlements in tenge in 2022? And what about the yellow paper from Svetokopy? But you can still put up with the yellow paper, but you can hardly put up with other invisible but critical things.
    So my prediction, made on the battle couch:
    1. Russian spring 2014, we annex Crimea, Donbass, Lugansk, Kharkov. Sanctions are immediately imposed against us, a ban on payments on the Internet in rubles (in tenge is possible), Visa, MasterCard and SWIFT leave us, our payment systems are collapsing, since there is simply no alternative to them. For those who think that we would have withstood these sanctions, I want to say that the money that you have on your card is just an entry in an electronic database. You pay for goods and services using the interface provided by the card system.
    2. Russian summer. Good weather, favorable for mass street events. Since there are no more card systems, everyone switches to cash. Bank technical support systems simply crash, they are not designed for calls from 90% of clients, and you can only access the money on your card through a narrow cash register window, 10-15-20 thousand in five-thousand notes and change it wherever you want. Women with children, pregnant women and other privileged categories go out of turn, so you have to stand in line for days. Price tags in stores are in tenge. All over the country there are "Empty Wallet Marches" under the motto "give us money to buy food!!!", and the marchers actually have money, but they can't get to it :(
    3. Russian autumn. The state is in disarray, economic protests are turning into political "Give it all back!!!" We watch "from behind the ribbon" as Banderovites cleanse Russians in those regions that we had to return - Kharkov, Donbass and Lugansk. We were able to defend Crimea because its transfer to the Ukrainian SSR was recognized as illegal.
    1. + 10
      25 June 2025 11: 33
      There would have been no Russian Autumn as you write. There would have been the Victory of the Russian Spring.
      1. If the Crimean sanctions of 2014 were applied to all of Russia, would we have survived?
      2. If the 2022 sanctions had been applied in 2014, would we have survived?
      They would have held out. Because they held out in 2022. And before 2022 they were not so critical. There was another scenario that you did not describe. Russia introduces troops and annexes all of Ukraine except the Western part. Turns to the Poles and Hungary and offers to divide the rest. According to the guarantor, the time for the operation is two weeks. The West would not have been able to do anything during this time. Then, sitting on top of the mountain, it could dictate its terms. What if there were no sanctions like in 2022. And this option is also possible. They beat us because we demonstrate our weakness and dependence on the West. If they had shown that they remembered the USSR, this would not have happened to us. Winners are not judged. And the strong even more so.
      1. -5
        25 June 2025 11: 37
        Can I ask you a personal question: how long will the cash that is here and now in your wallet last you, this is provided that you do not have any large payments in the near future (the same utilities), your transport card is topped up (do you have one? How do you pay on transport?), and your refrigerator is full with food for a week ahead.
        P.S. in 2022 we had a sovereign independent working (!!!) card system "Mir", to which everyone switched after the flight of Visa and MasterCard, and which did not exist in 2014. Let's remember the regret in the West "oh, our sanctions didn't work".
      2. +2
        25 June 2025 12: 25
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        There was another scenario that you did not describe. Russia introduces troops and annexes all of Ukraine except the Western part.

        And he gets 40 million people of dubious loyalty, accustomed to living in the 90s.
        After which a new Maidan will be organized on the territory controlled by Russia - under the same slogans as in 1991 or 2014: "The lazy and drinking "big brother" won't let us into Europe", "Ukraine's choice is the EU, not the CU", "Down with Moscow's dictate". Moreover, this will be done by the hands of local officials - as in 1991.
        Because the Russian Federation will be forced to use local personnel in such a territory. But the Russian Federation does not have enough money to ensure the loyalty of supposedly "pro-Russian" Ukrainian politicians. But the West will gladly use them. And we will get a crowd of "Trojan horses" in the local leadership.
        Remember how the "pro-Russian politicians of Ukraine" quickly changed their tune in real life? Just yesterday he was running around with a St. George ribbon and shouting louder than anyone about respect for Russian speakers, and today he is already calling for killing separatists and burning Colorados.
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        What if there were no sanctions like those in 2022?

        Blessed is he who believes... Even for the real 2014, with Crimea and Novorossiya, the first sanctions arrived in the summer of that same year.
        1. +2
          25 June 2025 20: 01
          Quote: Alexey RA
          After which a new Maidan is organized on the territory controlled by Russia

          No. If Maidan were possible in Russia, it would have been organized long ago.

          Why is there no Maidan in Ukraine now? The people tolerate the lawlessness happening in Ukraine... and no Maidan! Simply because no one will let it happen again. And why do you think they will in Russia? Over our long history, Ukraine has been annexed to Russia more than once. And no Maidan! You seem like an intelligent person, but you write such nonsense.

          Quote: Alexey RA
          Even for the real 2014, the first sanctions against Crimea and Novorossiya arrived in the summer of that same year.

          All the more reason to take Ukraine in 2014.
          1. -1
            26 June 2025 12: 08
            Quote: Stas157
            No. If Maidan were possible in Russia, it would have been organized long ago.

            Quote: Alexey RA
            And he gets 40 million people of dubious loyalty, accustomed to living in the 90s.
            After which a new Maidan is organized on the territory, controlled by Russia

            Maidan will be where it was before. Only this territory will be part of Russia. We will drag the Trojan pig to ourselves.
            Quote: Stas157
            Why is there no Maidan in Ukraine now?

            And here is why:

            Now the sponsors don't need Maidan. Because Ukraine is fulfilling its main function - weakening Russia and Europe.
        2. 0
          28 June 2025 04: 40
          Then the question arises - why was it necessary to start the SVO if the inclusion of Ridnaya Nenko in the orbit of the Russian Federation is impossible due to the mood of 40 million of its inhabitants?
          1. 0
            30 June 2025 11: 29
            Quote: Chack Wessel
            Then the question arises - why was it necessary to start the SVO if the inclusion of Ridnaya Nenko in the orbit of the Russian Federation is impossible due to the mood of 40 million of its inhabitants?

            And comrade Mekhlis answers the question.
            The harmful prejudice was deeply rooted that the supposedly population of the countries entering the war with the USSR would inevitably, almost without exception, rise and go over to the side of the Red Army, that the workers and peasants would meet us with flowers. This false belief arises from ignorance of the actual situation in neighboring countries. The war in Finland showed that we did not conduct political intelligence in the northern regions and therefore did not know with what slogans to go to this population and how to conduct work among them. We often treated peasants as a working class, but it turns out that this peasant is a big fist, a Shutskorovets, and he reacts in his own way. Collision with reality demagnetizes our fighter and commander, who is used to viewing the population of foreign countries from a general - superficial point of view. We need to know what the population of this or that country lives and is interested in.
            It must be said that in the field of the political study of the enemy we have made more than one mistake and we have small achievements in work among the troops and population of the enemy.

            IMHO, with the SVO we have once again stepped on the rake of the Soviet-Finnish War - except that instead of class brothers there was now a fraternal people. And so everything is as before - before the start of military actions in Moscow they believed the beautiful picture created by those who did not get the feeding trough in their homeland: about how oppressed brothers with flowers in their hands will meet the liberators, and the servicemen will turn bayonets against the oppressors and shoulder to shoulder will free the grateful people of the neighboring country from oppression.
            A lot of lies over the years
            To confuse the Finnish people.
            Open now trustingly to us
            Halves of the wide gate!

            Neither the jesters nor the fools scribblers
            Do not embarrass your hearts anymore.
            They took away your homeland more than once -
            We come to return it.

            We come to help you deal
            To pay with interest for shame.
            Accept us, Suomi-beauty,
            In a necklace of transparent lakes!
    2. +1
      25 June 2025 12: 53
      Quote: Not the fighter
      Russian Spring 2014, we annex Crimea, Donbass, Lugansk, Kharkov.

      In 2014, it was necessary not to annex several pro-Russian regions of Ukraine, but to introduce troops with the aim of restoring the constitutional order and the legitimate government of Yanukovych. After which, to install a puppet "transitional government" and harshly cleanse neo-Banderites throughout Ukraine with simultaneous informational reprogramming of the population through the media. Our authorities were already able to do all this in 2014.
      1. +4
        25 June 2025 13: 15
        Our authorities were already able to do all this in 2014.

        What do you mean by the term "harsh purge"? I hope not executions of disloyal people? Just expulsion? And where to? And how can we determine who is who? Who knows how to "harshly purge" like that? Which services?
        "Reprogramming"? On what basis, what is good in our country that they didn't have, and can we offer the "new Russians" in the amount of 40 million? What ideology? Slogans like "it's good to live in the Russian country" alone won't do, we need to do something real. Or "pour money into it".
        1. +1
          25 June 2025 13: 46
          Quote: Not the fighter
          I hope it's not executions of disloyal people?

          Of course not, I would prefer that they be hanged in the squares, like the Nazi criminals in Kyiv in 1946


          Quote: Not the fighter
          "Reprogramming"? On what basis, what good is there in our country that they didn't have, and can we offer the "new Russians" in the amount of 40 million? What ideology?

          The easiest way to unite a nation is to invent an external enemy. After the demonstrative public executions of neo-Banderites and corrupt officials, such would certainly be found in the West. Moreover, the claims would be against the "transitional government" of the still "independent" Ukraine.
          And there is no need to invent anything special, the people of Ukraine thirst first of all for justice, and then for order and security.
      2. +1
        26 June 2025 00: 42
        Quote: Cympak
        In 2014, it was necessary not to annex several pro-Russian regions of Ukraine

        Exactly! They annexed Crimea and 4 incomplete regions - lost everything else, sowed chaos and hostility in the minds of the majority of Ukrainians. Now even the left bank has become anti-Russian.
    3. +3
      25 June 2025 13: 31
      If there had been determination in 2014, there would have been no sanctions. The issue can be closed with referendums and without a single shot, but.... In general, determination allows you to become a winner who will not be judged. Here are the determined people in Syria who came to power not so long ago, and where are the sanctions and where is the condemnation? And that's it, new government, dear partners.
  18. +7
    25 June 2025 12: 11
    Didn't Moscow understand that the people who are overthrowing Yanukovych, judging by their faces, programs and statements, would soon plunge Ukraine into the abyss of fascism and national purges? Was there no professional psychologist-physiognomist in the Kremlin? Wasn't it clear that we couldn't have any relations with them?

    And look at the photos of these same characters before the Maidan. Even Yulia and Avakov walked with the St. George ribbon. And Goncharenko, who rejoiced at what was burned in the Trade Union House in Odessa, back in 2012 was promoting himself as a fighter for the rights of Russian-speaking citizens and for the Russian language.
    1. -1
      28 June 2025 04: 42
      Only idiots could believe that all the characters listed were pro-Russian.
      1. 0
        30 June 2025 11: 01
        Quote: Chack Wessel
        Only idiots could believe that all the characters listed were pro-Russian.

        This is afterknowledge.
        Before the Maidan, the same member of the Party of Regions, Goncharenko, was not noticed in anything reprehensible.
  19. +7
    25 June 2025 12: 32
    Thinking about the world, we received in response a blatant fascist regime in Kyiv

    Those who made these decisions were not thinking about peace, but exclusively about their own selfish interests.
  20. +1
    25 June 2025 13: 28
    When ideology stopped working, when generations grew up under capitalism, it became clear that the Russian world, the unification of lands under the Russian flag, was simply not interesting to the youth of neighboring countries. Their minds were captured by capitalists and they need iPhones, Instagrams, Mercedes, money, and so on, but in Russia, unfortunately, they did not create a product that would be used and wanted throughout the world. Unfortunately, our "effective" managers still have not understood this and are now trying to push the dogma of the Multipolar world and equality for all countries, but the youth does not care about this either.
    1. +2
      25 June 2025 13: 56
      Quote from Flyer
      When ideology stopped working, when generations grew up under capitalism, it became clear that the Russian world, the unification of lands under the Russian flag, was simply not interesting to the youth of neighboring countries. Their minds were captured by capitalists and they need iPhones, Instagrams, Mercedes, money, and so on, but in Russia, unfortunately, they did not create a product that would be used and wanted throughout the world. Unfortunately, our "effective" managers still have not understood this and are now trying to push the dogma of the Multipolar world and equality for all countries, but the youth does not care about this either.

      Look at the Emirates or Norway. Fair distribution of revenues from mineral extraction. Investment in their own economy, development of high technologies by attracting foreign specialists and equipment.
      1. +5
        25 June 2025 14: 02
        Look at the standard of living of their citizens. A well-fed person is a happy person, he wants to develop, live, create. But, for geopolitical influence on people with money, you need to spend money to "buy". We could not buy the Ukrainian youth, but decided to buy the "elite", which was toxic. Did Medvedchuk or Yanukovych help us when it was cheaper to take Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko, the question is rhetorical.
  21. +8
    25 June 2025 16: 08
    I don't trust Putin. And his team, too. For them, Russia is nothing more than a territory where they earn money, which they then develop abroad. If the West were smarter, it would not have introduced any individual sanctions against the president and other officials. Then the Kremlin would have caved in long ago and declared that the task was fully accomplished, and everything is fine. The fact that the Kremlin is resisting at least somewhat is due exclusively to the struggle for its own survival. As soon as they receive any guarantees from the West, the SVO will end. This is exclusively my opinion.
  22. -2
    25 June 2025 22: 08
    Rally in Donbass.
    but in this case it is written NA...
  23. -3
    25 June 2025 22: 18
    The war has not yet ended, but liberalism is already beginning to explain how "wrongly" Russia won it. And this will continue throughout the 21st century, we know from the Great Patriotic War. But the victors are not judged!
  24. +3
    26 June 2025 00: 23
    ...we are paying for the cowardice and lack of political will shown during the rise of the "Russian Spring", or rather, just for one (!) wrong decision made.

    Not just one! There are a whole bunch of them, incorrectly made decisions, following one after another. I risk running into a complete lack of understanding from Russian patriots, but I will say that the HASTY inclusion of Crimea into the Russian Federation was also a mistake. Crimea was supposed to be the "bait" for Novorossiya - at first a separate state friendly to Russia.
    Yes, we have lost Ukraine, apparently. And the longer the SVO lasts, the worse the prospects for the return of people still living there under the protection of the Russian Federation. In the end, in every family there will be people killed by the "Russian aggressors", and this is a feud for several generations. We need to end the special operation, and not dream of a Russian Kyiv.
    1. 0
      1 July 2025 20: 15
      Quote: MBRBS
      We need to end the special operation and stop dreaming about a Russian Kyiv.

      Under what conditions should we tie it up?
  25. +2
    26 June 2025 09: 57
    How many letters and words! It's like verbal lace around a truth known to all normal citizens of Russia: "The king is naked!" You still have to be able to come up with so much stupidity and you still have to be a fucking indifferent person not to take problems into your head and continue your crooked line!
    1. +1
      26 June 2025 10: 49
      "The king has no clothes!"
      The function of the guarantor is that this entire system of milking the country for the benefit of 100 oligarchs hides behind him. And our government knows how to charm people like no one else. He will tell everyone what he wants to hear.
      1. 0
        28 June 2025 04: 45
        Judging by the comments, power is not very enchanting.
  26. +1
    26 June 2025 11: 29
    Why in 14? The loss began with Yushchenko... with the first Maidan.
    As soon as we agreed that Yushchenko was given a third round - that's where the mistake was. And the second mistake was in those who were considered "pro-Russian". There, both the Communist Party and the Southeast - everyone was twiddling their thumbs at the RF. Some in their pockets, and some in the open... and this despite the fact that the RF left many times more money in 404 than the US and the EU... and with this money, it was possible to buy or shoot all the disloyal representatives of the "Elite" of 404.
    That is, the special services and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the authorities in the Russian Federation - on 404 stupidly laundered (stole) money from transit and did not do anything in terms of influence in 404. And Crimea, in my opinion, was unlucky - it fell into our hands. Thanks to the oversight of the authorities of 404 and the large concentration of our military pensioners there.
    Something like this.
    1. 0
      26 June 2025 13: 00
      ....it all started with "independence", and maybe even earlier: with Khrushchev's amnesty of the Banderites!!!! am
      1. -1
        26 June 2025 13: 37
        No, I don't agree. The starting point here is 1991.
  27. -1
    26 June 2025 12: 57
    "The events of the Russian Spring, like litmus paper, showed all the defects and shortcomings of the liberal system in Russia."
    Yeah, while the liberals are in power and car=capitalism flourishes in its crudest form, everything continues like this!
  28. -1
    26 June 2025 13: 00
    Face
    Yanitsenuk - Medinsky or Manturov
    Klychko - Valuev or Karelin
    Tyahnybok is similar to any State Duma deputy.
    Ukraine 2014 is Russia 1994.
    It’s just that in 1994 they were afraid of Russia, but now few people will bet on Russia.
    1. 0
      27 June 2025 17: 03
      under the alcoholic Yeltsin, no one was afraid of Russia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      It was a long time ago that under I.V. Stalin they were afraid of the USSR!!!!!
  29. 0
    26 June 2025 15: 08
    Russia lost Ukraine not in 2014, but earlier. The West has always believed that breaking ties and spending money is the key to breaking the enemy's back. Since 1991, the West has increased its efforts tenfold, and did not even hide it. What is Moscow's reaction? No Zurabov, who was replaced by Chernomyrdin. Known for putting all his pressure on Milosevic - surrender, or Yugoslavia will be destroyed. Which even Hitler could not destroy. In the end, we have what we have. And even the "brothers" in the person of Vucic, on the eve of May 9, declare that they themselves liberated Belgrade. And the Poles tell how they took Berlin, and the Russians helped them. The West did its job. And Moscow turned a blind eye to it. The worst thing is that no conclusions have been drawn.
    1. 0
      27 June 2025 17: 01
      And Moscow turned a blind eye to this...not Moscow, but more specifically the liberal VVP and his gang!
  30. -2
    26 June 2025 15: 52
    In about thirty years it will be possible to talk about the true reasons for the loss of Ukraine to Russia in 2014.
    Everyone was not ready: Ukraine, Russia, the people of both countries, and the leadership of both states.
  31. +1
    26 June 2025 16: 27
    The worst thing is that the people who "slept through" the Russian spring in Ukraine are all in power and making decisions. Led by the most important one. And this means that such miscalculations in politics will continue until the ruling elite changes. I really hope that the next president will be a true patriot of Russia, with a capital letter. And not in words, but in deeds.
    1. 0
      27 June 2025 16: 59
      And I really hope for this, so that I can respect Russia again....and now I only worry about the common people of Russia!!!
  32. +1
    26 June 2025 16: 38
    Not us, but one person, who, unfortunately for us, was not ready for this. He is still flirting with the West.
  33. -1
    26 June 2025 17: 04
    Well, after all, what exactly needs to be done to defeat Ukraine? What is stopping us from achieving victory?
    1. 0
      27 June 2025 16: 57
      Who's stopping you??? Don't you see what role oligarchs and liberals play in Russia???
  34. -1
    26 June 2025 17: 35
    On April 7, 2014, the Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov People's Republics were proclaimed.

    Not long ago I came across a video clip of a rally in Kharkov in the spring of 2014. One of the speakers directly appealed to Putin to support them by introducing troops. Alas, he was not heard
    1. +1
      27 June 2025 16: 55
      VVP DID NOT WANT to accept this... the oligarchs were against it!
  35. 0
    26 June 2025 17: 40
    More than 1 thousand Kharkiv residents gathered for the rally on March 40, and the roar of tens of thousands of voices chanting “Russia!!! Russia!!!” rattled the windows of a nearby hotel.

    Apparently most of the Kharkovites were "ours" then. And now, for sure, many have become disappointed and have become "not ours"
    1. -4
      26 June 2025 19: 04
      At the same time, in the spring of 2014, here in Donetsk, there were persistent rumors that some sociological services close to the Russian special services allegedly conducted surveys of the population in the South-East of Ukraine. And, apparently, in the Kharkov region (I heard this then from people close to the militia), to the question "Do you want our region to go to Russia?" about 70% of respondents said "No", and about 20% said "Yes". And to the question "Do you want our region to remain in Ukraine?" the same respondents were divided into proportions of 15% "Yes" and about 80% "No". And in other regions there was a similar picture, as a result of which the Russian leadership made a decision on non-interference in order to give the people time to decide what they want.
      1. -1
        27 June 2025 16: 30
        There is a Kiev weekly called Zerkalo Nedeli. At the beginning of 2014, it was an authoritative, more or less independent publication. In February-March 2014, it conducted a question about the views of the people of Donbass on what to do. Here are the approximate results: A quarter to be part of Russia, the same number to be part of "Yedina", about half to be part of Ukraine, but under special conditions, i.e. they themselves determine their budget, language, tax policy - in fact, expanded autonomy. Much time has passed since then and the views of the population have changed. Most likely, the number of supporters of Yedina has decreased.
        As for Kharkov, for example, the population of Kharkov, which speaks the overwhelming majority of Russian, I would call Russian-speaking, but Russians are a smaller part of this group. Here is what Wikipedia, the Russian part of which is edited by Ukrainians, writes about this:
        According to a survey conducted by the Sociological Group "Rating" on behalf of the Transatlantic Dialogue Center on May 2-4, 2024, 14% of the city's population spoke exclusively Ukrainian at home, 37% spoke exclusively Russian, and 48% spoke two languages. Accordingly, the opinion of city residents is ambiguous.
  36. -1
    26 June 2025 17: 42
    Overall, the article is strong. Most of what it contains is still relevant today.
    But will it be read in our highest spheres? I somehow doubt it.
    1. -1
      27 June 2025 16: 53
      They even still read... liberals have a special ability to ignore this! am
  37. +2
    26 June 2025 18: 50
    As far as I remember, right up until the evening of March 28, 2014, Putin's evening address was announced on all federal channels, we in Donetsk were really waiting for what exactly would be said, but, in the end, everyone pretended that nothing like that was planned for that day. Moreover, at the March rallies in Donetsk, at first, there weren't many radical ideas about secession from Ukraine, the main demands were "federalization of Ukraine" and "a referendum, like in Crimea."
  38. log
    +4
    26 June 2025 20: 02
    It's simple - our leadership fucked up the Russian spring because they themselves were afraid of it. There was an unprecedented popular upsurge, including in Russia. And how will things turn out? God knows. So they quietly dumped the SPRING, out of harm's way.
    1. 0
      1 July 2025 20: 13
      Our government was afraid not of Spring, but of RUSSIAN Spring. :)
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    1. -1
      27 June 2025 16: 52
      Yes! He and the oligarchs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  41. +1
    27 June 2025 10: 48
    Thanks to the author for an interesting article to read, rarely does quality material appear. Capable of putting everything in its place and forming a certain general picture of what is happening, unlike one-day news.
    1. 0
      27 June 2025 16: 51
      Yes, the article is very accurate... but it was painful to read... I remember how I suffered here in Berlin for Donbass (and still do!).
      In vain did I welcome VVP's rise to power at the time, I believed him... since he is a KGB agent and a communist... No, he is a political chameleon!
      At that time here in Germany I still knew about the role of A. Sobchak in the political development of both Putin and Medvedev... and I didn't have the Internet yet...
      1. -1
        27 June 2025 17: 09
        Quote: Lisa Kerner-Tymoshenko
        In vain did I welcome VVP's rise to power at the time

        Well, no one would have come to power better than him anyway, but most likely no one worse would have.
  42. +1
    27 June 2025 16: 44
    Despite our partial "insight", we have not yet completely broken free from the tenacious bonds of the past. That is why no one is afraid of us: our elites in the West still have passports, assets, interests and connections.

    ....in my opinion this is Russia's main problem....oligarchs and liberals!
    1. -3
      27 June 2025 18: 05
      We need to look at what is happening positively,
      Because in fact:
      + .The most powerful and combat-ready army in the world with experience in “modern warfare”.
      +. They started to fight corruption (which was not the case before), the same Chubais, for example.
  43. 0
    28 June 2025 19: 43
    Politics is determined first of all by the economic model of society, and not by some idealistic essence, - and therefore politics is a continuation of economics (and war is one of the manifestations of the continuation of politics) ... The ideological and other agenda ensures the interests / order / goals of the political-economic model, namely its vector of development and the "point of departure" designated by it, - and not the other way around ... The idealistic approach to the methods of studying, changing and managing elements and / or complexes existing in this (quite material) world is anti-scientific a priori ... This basis (oh, horror!) formed everything, including the first religions and all these traditional values, including the institution of the family in its current (and not Eurogay) understanding: no spirituality, no pod-nad-use or uber-alles, no blood-and-soil, no national spirits, no bearded gods - only reason, will, technology and an economic basis ... No system, no "law and order" stands for the protection of the rights of the majority - "Stench, stones, luxury, poverty. Debauchery. The villains who robbed the people gathered, recruited soldiers and judges to protect their orgy, and feasted" (Tolstoy wrote this in the 80s of the XNUMXth century)... And the main lesson for citizens is to remember a simple truth: People have always been and always will be stupid victims of deception and self-deception in politics, until they learn to seek out the interests of certain classes behind any moral, religious, political, nationalistic, social phrases, statements and promises... Well, and in specific cases - its specific representatives... For every mistake and/or crime has a full name. ... But first of all, it is necessary to understand that by denying the class structure of society, a person deprives himself of the opportunity not only to change anything, but also to understand in principle, and therefore: remains susceptible to economic "fairy tales" and pseudo-historical myths, "good people with beautiful faces" and movements "for everything good against everything bad", and simply to sweet flattery, - and therefore will forever remain a victim of other people's manipulations
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  45. +2
    28 June 2025 21: 17
    I completely agree that the Russian authorities are to blame for a large part of what happened in the country "u". But I do not agree with the population. In 2016, in the "Version" article "Ears of a Cunning Plan" I wrote: "According to the latest public opinion polls, 70% of Ukrainians support the idea of ​​their country joining the NATO bloc. The Nazis fooled the population of Germany in six years, if you count from their coming to power in 1933 until the beginning of World War II. The population of Ukraine has been fooled with varying success for 25 years. Back in the mid-90s, an acquaintance who came from Kyiv, the father of two schoolchildren, told me this. "Can you imagine," he said, "in history class they tell them that there was a wonderful country, Ukraine, but then the "Muscovites" came, led by Khan Batu, and since then we have suffered under the Muscovite yoke" ...
    Once, during the Soviet era, at a meeting of veterans of the Great Patriotic War, I witnessed a conversation about what was called “proletarian internationalism” at the time. The veterans claimed that at the very beginning of the war, there was persistent and widespread bewilderment in Soviet society as to why, when Germany attacked the Soviet Union, the German workers and peasants, who comprised the majority of the Wehrmacht servicemen, did not turn their weapons against Hitler? This bewilderment passed very quickly, but what a price it was!
    Now we are told that Ukrainians are a brotherly nation, that they are not our enemies. But then who is bombing the civilians of Donbass and Lugansk? Who burned people in Odessa? Martians from a Hollywood blockbuster?
    It is already clear that Poroshenko's bloody regime will be replaced by an even bloodier regime: Banderaism has become the ideology in Ukraine. After Germany's defeat in World War II, the occupation authorities spent 10 years conducting denazification - a set of measures aimed at cleansing post-war German and Austrian society, culture, press, economy, education, jurisprudence and politics from the influence of Nazi ideology. Is another war really needed to sober up Ukraine?"
  46. 0
    29 June 2025 18: 34
    "Since the conflict with Ukraine entered the "hot phase," we have been paying extremely harshly for the cowardice and lack of political will shown during the rise of the "Russian Spring," or more precisely, for just one (!) incorrect decision. Thinking about peace, we received in response a blatant fascist regime in Kyiv, Anti-Russia, a once fraternal population that hates us, formed by Bandera propaganda, and sanctions."

    Why are we paying for the lack of political will?!
    Are you saying that voters elected a cowardly Head of State?
    And since, from your point of view, our President is cowardly and lacks political will, then those who voted for are to blame?
    And those who voted against, but are now doing what they can to preserve the state, are they enemies? Waiters? Or are those who want a different foreign and domestic policy, but not by sycophancy or sabotage, incapable of having their own opinion?
  47. 0
    30 June 2025 08: 53
    There are many exaggerations in assessing the situation. The legs of this Maidan grow from Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and the historical division of souls occurred in the 19th century, acutely manifested in the Civil and Great Patriotic Wars. And it gradually matured during the reigns of Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev. Two of them are still somehow tied to Ukraine. And this yet another civil war was inevitable no matter how much they tried to bloodlessly resolve the issue with the Russian population, the Russian language, the southeastern territories of Ukraine. In the event of a bloodless separation of half of this country (that would be great), this war would still not have begun in the period from 2014-2022, but a little later.
  48. 0
    30 June 2025 09: 16
    The worst thing is that even now the authorities continue to desire a deal, only on the condition that everything be presented as the greatest victory of the “great geostrategist.”
    Well, and how Ukraine was screwed over is an epic story, how, to please the oligarchs and liberals, they sold out the people who could have been ours. However, the hatred of the oligarchs and liberals for the imperial and Soviet past of our country, their rabid desire to be servants of the "big white gentleman in a pith helmet" forced the authorities to dance to their tune.
  49. 0
    30 June 2025 09: 30
    Quote: Cympak
    When the authorities "don't need smart people (capable of competing for power), but rather loyal people (preferably worthless sycophants, completely dependent on the will of the rulers)", then the next "new Rome" is on the right path to its collapse.

    The goal of this "new Rome" is one - to stand until there is a ceremonial burial. And then let everything go to hell. Well, and then we will see how the most ardent sycophants and toadies will suddenly either "see the light" (they are blind kittens, they can't see anything now), or with tears in their eyes will begin to proclaim that with a noose around their neck they were forced to praise "greatness" and so on.
    1. +1
      3 July 2025 13: 39
      We would brag less about our "Third Rome" because Byzantium was much more Orthodox, but it perished from the Ottoman invasion. And now, we should not shake icons, but do the work, since we have already taken it upon ourselves. Not to mention the fact that in the army (as in the country) there are citizens of different faiths.
      And all these passages of our main patriarch Kirill about the next Christmas-Easter truces are completely unclear why!!(( That is, it is not the General Staff that now decides when to attack and when not to shoot, but the Synod? I already remember something like that. Only more than 100 years ago it was Rasputin, and now, therefore, his "ideological successor"? Well, a "holy" place is never empty, as they say
  50. +1
    30 June 2025 09: 34
    Quote from Fangaro
    "Since the conflict with Ukraine entered the "hot phase," we have been paying extremely harshly for the cowardice and lack of political will shown during the rise of the "Russian Spring," or more precisely, for just one (!) incorrect decision. Thinking about peace, we received in response a blatant fascist regime in Kyiv, Anti-Russia, a once fraternal population that hates us, formed by Bandera propaganda, and sanctions."

    Why are we paying for the lack of political will?!
    Are you saying that voters elected a cowardly Head of State?
    And since, from your point of view, our President is cowardly and lacks political will, then those who voted for are to blame?
    And those who voted against, but are now doing what they can to preserve the state, are they enemies? Waiters? Or are those who want a different foreign and domestic policy, but not by sycophancy or sabotage, incapable of having their own opinion?

    That is, you are convinced that everything was done exclusively correctly and the current bloodshed is completely justified? And that nothing needed to be done in 2014? And that they did the right thing by allowing the anti-Maidan in the south and east of Ukraine to be drowned in blood? And it seems that it warms your soul that people who could have been ours were given into the clutches of Bandera propaganda and are now dying in battle with their brains washed.
  51. +1
    30 June 2025 13: 01
    One person is responsible for everything, who has repeatedly assured us that he is a genius multi-move player, that he is not abandoning the Russians, that he is trying to protect Russia, that he, he, he... But in fact, he still has not understood that governing a state is not like playing with spoons, and not like flying across the sky with cranes
  52. +1
    30 June 2025 16: 14
    Well, it seems like their Burkhalter came to us, and then somehow everything went wrong. Remember, that happened.
  53. 0
    1 July 2025 20: 09
    Quote: Alexey RA
    And so everything is as before - before the start of military actions in Moscow they believed the beautiful picture created by those who did not get a trough in their homeland

    Anything is possible, but it seems to me that the GRU and other godly institutions are not full-blown idiots, and they should have been monitoring the mood of the RN population. Moreover, for this it was enough to analyze the messages of the "representatives of the fraternal people" at least on the Internet on various forums - solid Russophobia. You could have watched videos on YouTube with "jumpers" to convince yourself that there is no smell of any "brotherhood" on RN... Most likely, the calculation was not on the people of Ukraine, but on some part of the Ukrainian elite led by Kum, who, according to the plans of the Kremlin, would support the offensive of Russian troops. As it turned out, the matter ended with a battery and handcuffs, and a retreat along the entire front.
  54. 0
    1 July 2025 20: 12
    Quote: Chack Wessel
    Judging by the comments, power is not very enchanting.

    And judging not only by the comments, but also by the fact that I was given a minus for this message. :)
  55. +1
    2 July 2025 13: 58
    It must be understood that the “Russian Spring” in the south, southeast and east of Ukraine was like a sickle on a huge layer of Russian oligarchy, liberals and bureaucrats.
    Firstly, the oligarchs looked at the Maidan with longing, swallowing the saliva of envy that the omnipotence of oligarchic groups was being established in Ukraine.
    Secondly, huge layers of Russian bureaucracy looked at the Maidan and post-Maidan with its rampant corruption with undisguised lust, howling at the moon with envy that it was not possible to so openly extort bribes here.
    Thirdly, the bureaucratic vertical is panicky afraid of the self-organization of the people of the south, south-east and east of Ukraine, that this self-organization can spread to Russia if we help the "Russian Spring". And the self-organization of the people of Russia is a nightmare for the entire vertical of power.
    Fourthly, the liberal crowd in power hated to the point of colic the awakening of self-awareness among people who consider themselves Russian.
    And therefore, IMHO, both the liberals, and the oligarchs, and influential representatives of the bureaucracy literally fell into an epileptic fit in the Kremlin corridors to prevent support for the “Russian Spring” in Ukraine.
    1. +1
      3 July 2025 13: 29
      I completely agree with you, dear sir. I gave you a plus. I will only add that the awakening of self-awareness that we have now among the SVO fighters was clearly not expected by the categories of citizens you listed above. It turned out as always. What we fought for, we got. The people who are now in the SVO (how many are there? 600 thousand? maybe more) they will return to their country later. Then the rest of the fans of Pugacheva and Galkin will flee. And I hope - finally
  56. 0
    2 July 2025 14: 07
    Quote: Chack Wessel
    Quote: Alexey RA
    And so everything is as before - before the start of military actions in Moscow they believed the beautiful picture created by those who did not get a trough in their homeland

    Anything is possible, but it seems to me that the GRU and other godly institutions are not full-blown idiots, and they should have been monitoring the mood of the RN population. Moreover, for this it was enough to analyze the messages of the "representatives of the fraternal people" at least on the Internet on various forums - solid Russophobia. You could have watched videos on YouTube with "jumpers" to convince yourself that there is no smell of any "brotherhood" on RN... Most likely, the calculation was not on the people of Ukraine, but on some part of the Ukrainian elite led by Kum, who, according to the plans of the Kremlin, would support the offensive of Russian troops. As it turned out, the matter ended with a battery and handcuffs, and a retreat along the entire front.

    In fact, to all the fears and objections of our intelligence, the answer was simple, that godfather Medvedchuk knows everything better, so go away with your fears. And this Medvedchuk simply imagined that he would enter the Hetmanate on Russian tanks and lied with a straight face about the situation in the Ukro-Reich. It is no coincidence that there was an incredibly idiotic order, like, nationalist battalions can be attacked, but the Ukro-Wehrmacht - no way, it is a "brotherly" army.
  57. +1
    3 July 2025 13: 20
    I remember very well what happened in eastern Ukraine in 2014. The authorities there were "lying on the street" then. Several thousand practically unarmed thugs were not an option. The army and special forces, which they once again wiped their asses with, would have probably gone over to our side then. Then. But not in 2022. In 2022, we should have not approached them with proposals like our "Leopold", but bombed their barracks. After Odessa, Slavyansk, Donetsk and Kharkov, there was no one left to feel sorry for.
    I am by no means a military strategist or a political expert, but what the author has now described, quite emotionally, was all visible to everyone then. It was on the surface. What were the Russian authorities thinking then? (. If they had had something to think about, they might have thought at least a couple of moves ahead. Not just today. And this explosion of the northern currents is that powerful slap to our insane elites. If it doesn't get through after that. Well, I don't know... They don't execute people in Russia now. Even for treason. Maybe life imprisonment, so that later (for about ten generations) others like them wouldn't dare to betray their own.
  58. +1
    25 August 2025 19: 14
    In order not to make all these mistakes, it is enough to know our history, not to trust the West. It is enough to know the goals and objectives of the Banderites in relation to Russia and the Russians. They have been known since the 20s of the XNUMXth century.
  59. +1
    26 August 2025 10: 24
    "Whoever chooses between war and shame, gets both" [attributed] to W. Churchill. Just as in 2014 we chose "shameful peace", we got war in 2022. It couldn't be said better.
  60. 0
    26 August 2025 10: 37
    The Rise and Fall of the "Russian Spring": How and Why Russia Lost Ukraine in 2014

    Who said that Russia "acquired" Ukraine at all? It's just that the Ukrainian elite until 2014 cleverly led the Kremlin "residents" around by the nose and received the necessary resources for free. The main problem for us Russians is that, apart from us, none of our neighbors suffer from such a disease as interethnic friendship. Everyone has a pragmatic approach to relations, "money in the morning, chairs in the evening", and Ukraine and Russia generally had it like this: "money in the morning, money at lunch, money in the evening".
  61. 0
    8 November 2025 01: 07
    We need to be more careful when choosing influence conductors in neighboring countries - otherwise, it's not the repeatedly convicted Yanukovych, but the pro-Western lackey Pashinyan, or the Kazakh master of sitting on four chairs at once.
    Then there will be no losses.
    And we need to work more with money and brains, and not wave our fists like now.
    A mechanic with fists is always unpredictable and always much more expensive
  62. +1
    15 November 2025 23: 16
    It's clear who blew it all in the past. This is the kind of person who's always been late for school, even though they live right next door, or two hours late for dates with their future spouse, and is always late for important meetings. A diminished sense of danger, a lack of imagination... This person has missed crucial moments at least four times that required instant, decisive action... But decisiveness, it seems, is not his style. They keep promoting him endlessly! However, this PR is essentially useless. How much longer this perpetual tardiness and missed opportunities will continue is completely unknown. Russia survives by God's will, not by the policies being pursued, which are already making us sick.