Why the 1917 Revolution Was Inevitable? Living on the Edge: Poverty in Tsarist Russia

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Why the 1917 Revolution Was Inevitable? Living on the Edge: Poverty in Tsarist Russia


“Russia is starving, impoverished, degenerating, and the government is powerless to prevent this or to alleviate the suffering of the people under the current monetary system.”. S. Sharapov, from a report to Emperor Nicholas II.



“The revolution was inevitable, it is called a nationwide revolution… the revolution was the result of dissatisfaction with the old government of absolutely all strata of the population”. A.I. Denikin.

In the second part of the series about the CR: “What the common people could afford in Tsarist Russia. Comparing then - 1914 and now - 2025" an assessment of the purchasing power of the population then and now was made, the costs of food and the approximate cost of living were estimated. The exchange rate of the tsarist ruble was estimated at 1317 rubles/c.rub.

History has preserved for us a large number of photographs from that time. Very often these "frozen" testimonies tell of the high level of poverty of the common people. The stamp of that time, placed on people's faces, often exudes hopelessness and sadness, drying up their eyes and glances.

Let's try to dispel the myths of the liberal media about a well-fed Russia, "which we lost", "splashes of champagne and the crunch of French rolls", directly assessing the most important indicator of the standard of living according to statistics - per capita GDP and the average salary in the Central Rada. But first, let's re-evaluate the income of peasants and find the total number of the poorest strata of the population.

Clarification: assessment of peasant income


In the previous note it was stated that Allen (USA) determined the annual income of peasants at 230 rubles based on Strumilin's work. However, this figure may be overstated - seasonality and expenses are not taken into account.

There is a huge scientific problem of assessing the income of peasants, often received in kind, and not as wages, with associated expenses for maintaining the farm. Assessments were made based on the results of so-called budget studies (not always representative in scale), when economists went to villages. The range of farm profitability could vary greatly depending on the availability of land, horses, and workers (see Chayanov, "Agriculture"). The income of kulaks was much higher, but it is also difficult to find studies.

According to the widely known work of Chayanov, the net annual income per worker in the sample he presented in the CR was from 65 to 140 rubles, or 90 rubles per year on average.


According to another very detailed study: Peasant budgets. Shcherbina F.A. Peasant budgets (1900) we can see the following data for the end of the 19th century. The first table provides very interesting our and international data.


As can be seen from the table, the Yenisei peasants (Siberia) at that time lived quite well (comparable to Ohio and Indiana in the USA), despite the harsh climate and difficulties with agriculture, which was due to the high availability of land - on average, one peasant household had 1213 dessiatines of land, which was more than in European Russia, and developed cattle breeding. But we see that at the same time, our peasantry on average lived much poorer - 2-3 times than abroad.

In the book “The Economic Situation of Settlers in Western Siberia in the Late 1893th – Early 1905th Centuries (71,2-79)” by E. I. Solovyova, data is provided on the distribution of wealth levels of “settlement households” (incomes are not specified): “The poor include those without horses and households with one or two working horses. There were 3% of such settlers in the Tobolsk province, and 4% in the Tomsk province. The middle group in Siberia includes households with 24,8-17,6 working horses. There were 5 and 43,1% of them, respectively. Kulak households had XNUMX or more working horses per household. There were XNUMX% of such households among the settlers in Western Siberia.”

In the book by B. E. Andyusev "SIBERIAN LOCAL STUDIES. Economy, Life, Traditions, Culture of Old-Timers of Yenisei Province in the 4th - Early 6th Centuries" "The middle class included the bulk of old-timer peasants. An ordinary "average" family consisted of 3-550 people with 900 adult workers. The annual income of such a family was on average from 25 to 22 rubles." Here the maximum amount, counting for "adults", is over XNUMX rubles per month, which is slightly higher than the average worker's salary (XNUMX rubles).

Below is the budget balance of peasant farms from Shcherbina's work based on his research:


In the famous work of the Russian ethnographer Olga Semenova-Tyan-Shanskaya, based on her surveys of peasants in the Ryazan province at the turn of the 12th and 77th centuries, “The Life of “Ivan”” paints the following picture: “A peasant family consisting of a husband, wife, the husband’s old mother, and three children, one of whom is a teenager (28 years old). Average income. One horse, one cow, two sheep.” The family’s income for a typical year was 81 rubles, with only 18 rubles earned from selling agricultural produce (sale of oats and cattle), the rest being payment for work for the landowner and transportation. Expenses for the year were 5 rubles. Of these, a fairly large share went to taxes: “duties” - XNUMX rubles, zemstvo tax - XNUMX rubles. If it were not for the extra income outside the farm, the farm would be unprofitable.

As we have seen from many examples cited earlier, a significant number of working households also had "deficit" budgets. In 1902, with an average salary of a Donbass miner of 24 rubles, expenses for the worker himself (food and clothing), according to a survey of 200 families, amounted to 12,33 rubles, for the wife - 9,24 rubles, for two children - also 9,24 rubles. A total of 30 rubles 81 kopecks, which exceeded the worker's income by more than 6 rubles.

Doctor of Historical Sciences, Russian and Soviet historian A. Ostrovsky in his article “On the Degree of Social Stratification in Pre-Revolutionary Russia” examines the assessments of the well-being of the population, including the peasantry, made by B. N. Mironov, the author of the book “panegyric” about tsarist Russia “The Well-being of the Population and Revolutions in Imperial Russia”.

According to Ostrovsky, Mironov, relying on budget research data, does not fully take into account the expenses of peasant farms, as a result, the estimate of the average peasant income of 150 rubles, in his opinion, is overstated. But even this figure, or 12,5 rubles per month, is quite low.

On the contrary, the incomes of agricultural workers were officially reflected (see table) and were comparable or even higher - from 120 to 165 rubles per year (not counting the "rich" Baltics - 216 rubles). Perhaps this is how rich farmers could pay them - on average 10-12 rubles per month.


Taking into account the clarification of data on peasant income, the new table on the level of wages in the Central Region will look like this (conversion rate - 1317 rubles/central ruble).

Wages of the Main Classes in Tsarist Russia (1914)



As the calculations of the famous economist V. Nemchinov showed, in Russia on the eve of October 1917 the social structure of the population included the following groups: peasantry and artisans - 66,7%, bourgeoisie and landowners - 16,3% (including kulaks - 11,4%), workers - 14,8% and intelligentsia - 2,2%. The kulaks, as the support of the system in the village, were quite numerous - 11,4%. Based on this, it can be estimated that the group of middle class and rich people in the Central Rada included about 20% (bourgeois, landowners, kulaks, part of the intelligentsia and the upper layer of workers). A typical figure for a raw materials economy.

About 80% of the population lived quite poorly on wages with an upper limit of about 12,5-16 rubles per month or 16-500 rubles in today's money. For comparison: the average food expense for single workers at that time was 21 rubles, with organized cooperative food - 000 rubles. It was a constant life "on the edge."

Which classes of the population lived the poorest?


To assess the social situation, it is necessary to have an idea of ​​the distribution of income, especially of the poorest part of the population.

Data on the total income of various population groups and their numbers are available in the book by B. N. Mironov, “The Welfare of the Population and Revolutions in Imperial Russia.”

The work contains data on the poorest strata of the population:



According to Ostrovsky, the poorest part of the population in Mironov did not include artisans, whose “annual average per capita earnings” E. E. Kruse determined at 133 rubles, and whose numbers could be estimated at 5 to 15 million people. It has already been pointed out that the peasants’ incomes according to Mironov are overstated and “after the author corrects the data, the average income of 80% of the population is estimated at approximately 70 rubles (i.e., less than the cost of a prisoner).” Let us try to assess whether this is true using macrostatistics.

It should be added that in the late 90s, a number of conferences were created to resolve the problem of the “impoverishment of the Center”: the “Special Conference” chaired by A. I. Zvegintsev, the “Commission of 1901,” and the “Special Conference on the Needs of the Agricultural Industry.” The conclusions of the commission boiled down to the fact that the main reason for the “impoverishment” was overpopulation. The commission found that for 50 provinces of European Russia, the number of surplus workers was 23 million, and the percentage of surplus workers to the available number was 52%. This percentage was especially high in the Black Earth Region, where it was from 64 to 67%. These facts determined the possibility of living in poverty among the peasants, about 23 million people, which corresponds to Pershin’s estimates of the number of people who starved during crop failures in Russia. The poorest also included families of workers and peasants who had an insufficient income for their full support. These estimates prepare us to understand the overall level of poverty in the country, which was clearly reflected in the low per capita GDP.

Relationship between per capita GDP and average wage


According to the definition of GDP by income, GDP = total income + gross profit of all enterprises + taxes on imports and production + depreciation + subsidies + income from abroad.

Per capita GDP and average wages are calculated differently: the first is for the entire population N, the second is for those employed - Nw. In this case, Nw/N is the share of those employed w.

If GDP/w is per capita GDP per worker, and v is the share of wages in GDP per worker, then (GDP/w)*v=wages.

Average wage is calculated as the sum of all wages divided by the number of employees.

Per capita GDP (GDP per capita) is an indicator that evaluates the average level of activity and quality of life per inhabitant of a country. It is calculated by dividing the total GDP by the population.

The share of employed in the economy is the share of the economically active population (employed and unemployed) in the total population of the country.

The population in 1914 was 165,7 million people. The national income per capita in Russia for the period from 1894 to 1913 increased by 34 rubles (50%) - from 67 rubles to 101 rubles. An average growth of 2,6% per year is a fairly good indicator. But the income level itself was catastrophically low. According to other data, the share of national income per capita in 1914 was: in Russia - 102,2 rubles, in the USA - 695, in England - 463, in France - 355 and in Germany - 292 rubles.

Below, according to the well-known work of P. Gregory, there is a different review of the estimates of the CR GDP, made with the aim of increasing it. But the maximum value of income per capita, even taking into account the "new estimates", is only 112-118 rubles instead of 101-102.


To begin with, to test the model, let's try to make similar calculations for modern Russia.

Relationship between per capita GDP and average wage: calculations for modern Russia (2024)


Russia's GDP in 2024 is RUB 200 billion with a population of 039,5 million people. The number of employed persons in Russia is 146,15 million in December 74,60. The share of employed = 2024. GDP per capita is RUB 0,51 per year (or USD 1) or RUB 368 per month, or 727,33 per employee, and the average wage is RUB 13 per month. Consequently, the share of wages in GDP is approximately 687,27, which corresponds to Rosstat data, according to which the share of wages in the structure of GDP by income sources in 114 relative to 060,61 increased from 223% to 648%. Neither per capita GDP nor average wages are very low, but they do not relate to the standard of living of the majority of the people, as we estimated in the second note - the income of 87% of the population of Russia does not exceed 952,00 thousand rubles.

It is known that there is a close relationship between GDP per capita and average salary, estimated above. The income of the average German in Germany in 2024 is 20% higher than per capita GDP, and for a US resident it is 9% less.

From the following simple calculations by the author based on Rosstat data, it is clear that for Russia the average salary is empirically lower than per capita GDP by approximately 23-25%. This corresponds to countries such as the USA.


Calculations of the average salary in Tsarist Russia


According to the census, the share of the working population in the Central Region was about 45–48%, therefore, the average per capita GDP for those employed was about 210 rubles (101/0,48) per year or 17,5 rubles per month. Mironov determined the level of the independent population at 60%.

Assuming that the share of wages, as now, did not exceed 45%, the average wage level can be estimated at 94 rubles per year or 8 rubles per month (210*0.45).

There is another method that gives approximately the same estimate, and an upper one at that. Let us assume that for Tsarist Russia the ratio of per capita GDP and average salary was maximum, i.e. 1:1 = 100%. Then the average salary in Tsarist Russia was about 101 rubles per year or 8,4 rubles per month, which roughly corresponded to the income of cooks (96 rubles) and artisans (133 rubles) per year. And it was only 42% higher than the state's expenses on the maintenance of prisoners. This means that Ostrovsky's conclusions are not far from the truth.

The average salary in Tsarist Russia ranged from 94 to 101 rubles per year or 8-8,4 rubles per month.

In B. N. Mironov's book "The Welfare of the Population and Revolutions in Imperial Russia" the income level of the poorest strata of society is estimated by him as the cost of maintaining prisoners in the amount of 70 rubles per year or about 6 rubles per month, or 7900 rubles at our prices. Mironov determined the poverty threshold at 95 rubles, or 7,9 rubles per month, 10430 rubles in our money.

In the second part of the article, we established that the minimum food costs for an adult in the Central Rural Region were about 10-11 rubles, and the subsistence minimum was approximately 22-27 rubles. The cost of the modern minimum monthly food set in Tsarist Russia was 9,98 rubles.

As the most prominent economist of that time, S. F. Sharapov, the author of the emission theory, whose recommendations formed the basis of the financial system of the USSR, wrote in a report to Emperor Nicholas II: “Russia is starving, impoverished, degenerating, and the government is powerless to prevent this or somehow alleviate the suffering of the people under the current monetary system.”

Sometimes we come across data that the average salary in Russia was 22 or even 37 rubles, which is wrong. The first figure - 22 - is the average salary of all workers, and the second - 37 - is the average for the highest paid groups of workers. Sometimes they write that the average salary of workers was 37 rubles, which is also wrong. Once again, we will provide data on the average salary of workers in different industries. And we must understand that the average salary of 22 rubles with a subsistence minimum of 22-27 rubles is also on the edge (for more details on budgets, see the previous note).


Where does the information about the high standard of living before the revolution come from?


According to Nefedov S.A.:

"The most prosperous strata of the population were concentrated in the capital provinces... due to the huge import of food from the provinces. The North, Northwest and Belarus... could not provide for themselves... the level of consumption here was below the national average. At the same time, differentiation among the peasants led to the fact that the level of consumption of the poorest strata was below the famine line... In the east, beyond the Volga... natural conditions and soils were worse than in the Black Earth Region; droughts were common in the Cis-Urals... Further south, in Little Russia, the situation was better, per capita production reached 30 poods... consumption was relatively high... With all that... in Russia at that time there were real lands of plenty. For example, in the Samara province, state peasants had allotments of an average of 4,1 dessiatines. per capita... in the Kherson province, an average of 29 poods of bread per capita was consumed for food (1898)... The regions that experienced a shortage of bread... became “fortresses of Bolshevism” during the civil war, while the rich outlying regions supported the Whites.”

It was already mentioned above, for example, that the Yenisei peasants (Siberia) lived quite well.



In the photo: wealthy peasants (kulaks)

Agrarian crisis: population growth and land shortage


Most uncommitted economists and historians acknowledge the problem of low living standards in the Central Rada (for a detailed analysis, see “Disputes about Tsarist Russia: An Interrupted Flight or a Path to the Abyss”).

The main factors of poverty in Russia, “which we have lost”:
1) Poor crop yield due to bad climate.
2) Rapid population growth.
3) Land shortage as a consequence of growth.
4) Periodically low harvests (hunger years).
5) Low efficiency of agriculture.
6) Backwardness of technology.
7) A decline in the supply of livestock, creating a cycle of declining agricultural efficiency.
8) Low level of industrial development.
9) Excess of rural population, a huge mass of extra hands on the land.
10) Massive export of grain abroad due to high external debt.
11) Witte’s gold peg, which deprived the population of bread and money due to a high external debt, artificially increased by the “gold reform”.
12) Low level of taxes, concentration of the tax burden on the peasants, belated introduction of income tax in 1916.
13) Drinking establishments that replenished the treasury, but destroyed the foundations of the peasantry by getting the common people drunk.
14) The short-sighted policy of the state, which allowed the state and its people to be milked both from the outside - by the world gold mafia; and from the inside - by landowners, kulaks and factory owners, and this despite the mass unrest of the peasants and the revolutions of 1905.
15) Spiritual and moral crisis in the empire, “fermentation” of society caused by the socio-economic crisis, the lack of bright ideas in the state and the dependence of the Church on the state.

In 1913, grain yields in Russia amounted to 8,7 centners per hectare and were lower than in Canada (15 centners), the USA (11,7 centners) and Denmark (21 centners). Grain yields in Russia fluctuated greatly from year to year. "...The ratio of the maximum yield of such an important food crop for the Russian peasantry as rye to the minimum yield in 1901-1910 was 1,67 in Russia, 1,28 in France, and 1,18 in Germany."

The gross grain harvest per capita by 1, compared to 1914, increased from 1883 poods to 26,7, i.e. by 30,7%, but at the same time the average annual volume of grain exports increased from 15-1890 to 04-1910 by 13%, although during the same period the average annual gross grain harvest increased by only 70%. At the same time, the area under crops increased from 38,6 to 1883 from 1914 to 58,8 million dessiatines.

Rising prices in the agricultural sector stimulated the development of grain production. From the mid-1880s until the beginning of World War I, the annual growth of agricultural production was 2,8%. During approximately the same period, the area of ​​cultivated land increased annually by only 1,3%, the number of workers in the industry by 1,4%, and the volume of agricultural capital by 2,3%. The growth of production factors was about 2,0% per year, and productivity was 0,8% per year.

Russia maintained its global leadership in grain production thanks to extensive methods—large areas and a large number of employees.

Let's add a few more important factors.

Tsarist Russia was destroyed by the years of famine


A complete overview of crop yields is given in the fundamental work of V. M. Obukhov, “The Movement of Grain Crop Yields in European Russia in the Period 1883-1915.”

According to the graph below from this work, on average, the yield per dessiatine in the pre-war decade rose in the European part of Russia by 27% compared to the decade of 1883-1893, from 36,6 to 50 poods/dessiatine.


After the abolition of serfdom and before the start of the First World War, the Russian peasantry experienced unprecedented years of famine, caused, according to a number of researchers, by circumstances of both a socio-political and economic nature. Between 1891 and 1912, famine struck Russia 12 times.

A feature of the hungry years of 1905-1906 was the almost complete absence of feed for livestock. According to A. S. Ermolov, this was "almost a bigger problem compared to the absence of food grain." Peasants plowed all their allotment land, including fields, meadows, and even forests. At the same time, grain was regularly exported abroad.


For the same reason, especially in the harsh winter of 1906-1907, the problem of lack of fuel for peasants' huts became apparent. The crop failure, complicated by the destruction of landowners' estates, led to the lack of need for hiring for agricultural work, which had previously served as a significant support for the local population.
The "hungry" years were a consequence of this fluctuation. But there were also good harvests in 1904 and 1913 (18,9% and 17,1% above the norm, respectively). There were good harvests in 1899, 1902, 1909, 1910 and 1912 with yields above the norm by 10,0%, 15,3%, 15,7%, 6,4% and 7,9%, respectively. On average, the yield per dessiatine in the pre-war decade in the European part of Russia increased by 27% compared to the decade of 1883–1893.

The 1913 harvest was the highest in the three preceding decades — 92,5 million tons, which was half of the world's rye harvest and second place in the wheat harvest. So when looking at the data for 1914 (how good everything was), we need to take this "outlier" into account.

Decline in livestock supply


Livestock breeding issues are studied in detail in the work of the same A. V. Ostrovsky, “LAVEL BREEDING IN EUROPEAN RUSSIA AT THE END OF THE 2014TH – BEGINNING OF THE XNUMXTH CENTURY” (Piter, XNUMX).

As Ostrovsky writes: “Based on the existing official data, it turns out that from 1842/1850 to 1911/1914 the provision of the population with cattle per 100 people decreased, at a minimum, from 41,2 to 25,0 heads, by 39%, horses - from 29,4 to 17,6 heads, by 40%, pigs - from 18,2 to 10,5 heads, by 42%, sheep - from 71,3 to 32,3 heads, by 55%, in general, translated into cattle - from 94,0 to 54,3 heads, by 42%.”

The crisis in livestock farming began to develop after the reform of 1861. The main reason for the decline in livestock supply was the lack of a forage base and the depletion of the reserve of free land.

"Throughout the entire post-reform period, there was a reduction in the forage base: both the area of ​​pastures and the area of ​​hayfields. Livestock and agricultural production could not be provided with forage, as evidenced by the shortage of feed grain." And in addition to this, there was a colossal export of grain to the border.

During the famine, many peasants were forced to sell their livestock, including work horses, and in the hungry years, to slaughter them. From 1888 to 1893, the share of horseless households increased in Tambov province from 22 to 31%, in Voronezh province - from 26 to 41%. Then came the "domino" effect: horseless peasants were unable to repay the food loans received during the crop failure. The amount of these loans at the beginning of 1892 was 128 million rubles, and in 1894 the government wrote off half of this debt.

"Since the peasants did not have enough cattle to fertilize the fields, they could not switch from the three-field system to the more intensive and productive grass-field system. Over half a century, the number of cattle per capita and unit of area decreased by 2,53 times and became 3,4 times lower than in Western European countries. At the end of the 1th century, due to population growth, pastures had to be ploughed. The optimal ratio of pasture to arable land for the three-field system is considered to be 2:1, but in central Russia by the middle of the 5th century it had decreased to less than XNUMX:XNUMX. The lack of production of mineral fertilizers did not allow for an increase in crop yields, which led to even greater ploughing of pastures: a vicious circle was closed."

Conclusions


In the Central Rural Republic there was a large income inequality, which can be estimated at approximately 15. In the second part of the article we established that the minimum expenses for food for an adult in the Central Rural Republic were approximately 10-11 rubles, and the subsistence minimum was approximately 22-27 rubles. The cost of the modern minimum monthly food set in Tsarist Russia was 9.98 rubles, and the subsistence minimum was approximately 22-27 rubles.

An estimate of the GDP per capita and the average wage of 101 rubles, or 8,4 rubles per month (11 rubles per month in today's money), shows the catastrophic economic situation of the bulk of the people in Tsarist Russia, as this is only slightly higher than the annual income of cooks - 000 rubles and the cost of maintaining a prisoner of 96 rubles. At the same time, the poverty threshold according to Mironov was almost the same - 70 rubles, or 95 rubles per month, 7,9 rubles in our money. It is here, and not in subversive activities, that we should look for the objective causes of the revolution. For "there is no smoke without fire", what is the social foundation, such is the stability of the state.

The West skillfully sucked all the juices out of the state, as it does now, but under the conditions of the capitalist system, as it does now, the government could not do anything against it (and cannot now). For this reason, it is impossible to build a stable model of capitalism in Russia. The first attempt at construction with the reforms of Alexander II ended with the revolutions of 1905 and 1917 and the collapse of the system, the current 40-year "walk" since 1985 ends with a demographic crisis. And the Central Bank rate of 21% is also a crisis.

The opinions of former leaders of the White movement (P.N. Wrangel, A.I. Denikin, A.P. Budberg), who had monarchist views, are interesting. A.I. Denikin: "The revolution was inevitable, it is called nationwide... the revolution was the result of dissatisfaction with the old government of absolutely all strata of the population." This is where the main reason lies - all strata.

For this reason, there was a "conspiracy" of generals, and the leadership of the State Duma worked to remove the emperor. Was the food shortage created artificially? Yes, just like in the USSR. Yes, foreign intelligence services participated in the conspiracy. But why during the Great Patriotic War did the population of the rear of the USSR also live in hunger on ration cards, but the whole country supported I.V. Stalin? Then there was a binding idea, but in 1917 - no. The government lost the trust of the people.

Who did not warn Emperor Nicholas II that the country was heading for the abyss: philosophers, economists, members of the Duma, generals, diplomats, ambassadors, and even members of the royal family. "To avoid a catastrophe, it was necessary to change the principle of governing the country, calling to power those who enjoyed the people's trust... As terrible as it is, the government... is preparing a revolution,... is using all possible measures to make as many dissatisfied people as possible..." Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, from an address to Emperor Nicholas II (4.02.1917). Well, what in response?

Why did the Orthodox people follow the Communists, although the Church called on them to be patient and loyal to the authorities? Patience had reached its limit, and under catastrophic circumstances on the eve of the revolution, the system collapsed like a house of cards. And the idea of ​​socialism corresponded to the Orthodox notions of justice, which did not exist in the old society.

Here is the opinion of the philosopher Vasily Vasilyevich Rozanov: "Rus disappeared in two, three days at the most. There was no kingdom left, no church left, no army left, and no workers left. What was left? Strangely, literally nothing."
The widely hyped theories about external causes of the revolution, conspiracies, betrayals, although they did take place, by their weight appear tendentious, biased and one-sided, not providing an objective complex analysis and, in fact, being a way to distract society from the true causes of the revolution. This is due to the fact that today's Russia is a continuation of Tsarist Russia and was created precisely as an antipode of the USSR, although based on its achievements.

Only the USSR, the world's first social state, was able to pull people out of the greyness of life and poverty, to give everyone light, work and education. Under the leadership of I.V. Stalin, the USSR gained the most powerful force, crushing the fascist hordes in World War II, becoming the second most powerful state in the world after 1945.

But no one needs competitors, and in the Gorbachev era, in collusion with our liberal elite, the USSR was dismantled. All current problems: the demographic catastrophe, the war in Ukraine, Kursk, Belgorod, the problems of the army, industry and science - are just a direct consequence of the dismantling of the USSR and the return of the country to the pre-revolutionary period.

The income distribution picture that existed in the Central Rada still exists today (although the standard of living has increased many times over since then) due to the destruction of domestic industry in the 90s and the focus on imports.
Now, the economy is still based on raw materials, as in the Central Rada, the low level of income of the bulk of the population of Russia compared to the costs of maintaining a family, absolutely artificially inflated cost of housing and building materials; absolutely artificially inflated interest rates on loans; the use of food products created with Western food additives and at enterprises with foreign participation, inevitable military losses create the preconditions for aggravating the demographic catastrophe. In place of the departing Russian population, Asians are being brought in quite consciously, and now also Africans. Consequently, a change in the economic system, as in 1917, is inevitable.

Conceptually, nothing has changed in the last 100 years. The government is building an alliance between the ruling party and the Orthodox. There is no national idea, as before the revolution — capital does not need them. But the force that will turn the country around, as before the revolution, will be the socialist idea. It is not difficult to guess who the people will support. For, as our great philosopher N. Berdyaev warned: "And you need to lose your conscience to consider capitalism more in line with Christianity."


And the same N. Berdyaev, who was a contemporary of the events of 1917, pointed out the true reasons for the collapse of the system: “Revolution is a punishment sent from above for the sins of the past… Revolution always says that those in power did not fulfill their purpose, that they brought about the revolution, allowed its possibility. There was illness and rot in society, which made the revolution inevitable.” And, apparently, the lessons of our bitter history are still being ignored by the elites in every possible way.
Russia will build a new, synthetic model of economy that will allow us to have a competitive advantage and achieve great success. They know this, that's why they are trying to take us out of the game.

The author will be grateful for any inaccuracies and typos found.

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  1. + 18
    22 June 2025 03: 58
    Modern capitalism in Russia, except for profit and personal enrichment, is not capable of building a just social society. Another issue is that the lower classes, the people, do not yet realize what needs to be done to improve their lives.
    1. + 10
      22 June 2025 04: 20
      Quote: V.
      People don't yet realize what needs to be done

      "The cobblestone is the weapon of the proletariat!"
      It's a pity that there is no proletariat!
      1. + 10
        22 June 2025 05: 05
        And there are no cobblestones by and large. Now everywhere you spit there are paving slabs)))
        1. + 10
          22 June 2025 13: 27
          Quote: Richard
          And there are no cobblestones by and large. Now everywhere you spit there are paving slabs)))

          This is careless. The mass replacement of cobblestones with asphalt began immediately after the revolution of 1905. And what is characteristic is that they began with the center, squares and alleys around administrative buildings. laughing
        2. +8
          22 June 2025 14: 18
          Quote: Richard
          And there are no cobblestones by and large. Now everywhere you spit there are paving slabs)))
          Special reserves of cobblestones on the streets of Moscow.
          https://maps.app.goo.gl/YNLLsRDR6FvtWVLr6
          1. +1
            27 June 2025 22: 52
            Special reserves of cobblestones on the streets of Moscow.


            Now this is a weapon of migrant workers from Central Asia, isn't it prepared for them at the moment of "E"...
            1. +1
              27 June 2025 22: 57
              Quote: assault
              Now it is a weapon of migrant workers
              They have a custom of stoning. But considering how neatly the pizza box fits into the niches, the courier takes 10-20 kilograms, an assessment of the brisance is appropriate.
              There was a great lawn here.
              But someone accidentally erected it en masse.
              This is what the British are like.
        3. -5
          28 June 2025 17: 26
          "The proletariat" is a fiction of the ideologists of communism and in fact it never existed!
        4. 0
          13 November 2025 13: 00
          Quote: Richard
          Now everywhere you spit there are paving slabs)))

          Come on, all of Moscow is paved with cobblestones. It's the same old cobblestones, just smooth and all the same.
      2. +9
        22 June 2025 10: 40
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        ..... "The cobblestone is the weapon of the proletariat"! It's a pity that there is no proletariat!

        More than 30 years ago, Vladimir Vladimirovich hi ! They started to bankrupt enterprises, reducing the proletariat, then they started inviting migrants, "diluting" the proletariat. They tried and did it consciously.
        1. -3
          23 June 2025 14: 49
          More than 30 years ago, Vladimir Vladimirovich hi! they started to bankrupt enterprises,

          You can't even copy-paste from the manual properly anymore? Sad...
        2. +4
          27 June 2025 04: 44
          Not only that. At the same time, they are trying to fill the stomachs of the population. The science of the collapsed Union has been put to good use. And now anyone who is dissatisfied can be reproached: what else do you want, you are fed and shod? Do you want to go to Moscow for groceries like under the communists?
        3. -4
          30 June 2025 07: 29
          Only you forget that new enterprises are being created no less. The country, for the most part, provides itself with everything. Russia's GDP in terms of purchasing power parity has risen to 4th in the world. Enough moaning already. And no need to be hypocritical - these fakes that bankrupt enterprises produced, if they produced anything at all, you would not buy even at gunpoint. Then why keep them???
          1. +1
            30 June 2025 08: 51
            Quote: Alexander K
            You just forget that no fewer new enterprises are being created........why keep them???

            But what kind?
            The country provides itself with everything...

            HA-HA-HA! Read Chubais's words about enterprises and the population. After all, the comment was about the deliberate reduction and erosion of the proletariat. Similar processes had occurred in different countries before. As for the US, it is clear that this happened gradually. Fragments of the process are reflected in their various films. I was a kid in the 90s. I watched almost everything on cable. And I compared them much later.
            1. +1
              30 June 2025 16: 37
              Belief in conspiracy theories is a clinical sign of sluggish schizophrenia. I recommend always remembering this when talking about the backstage.
          2. -2
            13 November 2025 13: 14
            Quote: Alexander K
            You just forget that no fewer new enterprises are being created.

            WHICH? Where are they!? Are they all secret? Is it because of the new factories that the MS-21 hasn't gone into production yet?
            Quote: Alexander K
            The country, for the most part, provides for everything itself.

            Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just recently, the news broke. There were problems with the supply of Cobb-500 broiler hatching eggs, and our farmers are going bankrupt.
            https://lenta.ru/news/2025/11/07/otkaz-ot-cheshskih-yaits-udaril-po-rossiyskim-fermeram/?ysclid=mhx9jvusvk251897173
            Quote: Alexander K
            Russia's GDP at purchasing power parity has risen to 4th in the world. Enough moaning already.

            Where does this PPP GDP fit in? Well, we're fifth in the world for dollar billionaires, but 47th in median income, behind Mexico. And that's all you need to know about life in the country. Enough with the lies!
            Quote: Alexander K
            And don't be hypocritical—you wouldn't buy these knockoffs produced by bankrupt companies, if they ever produced anything at all, even at gunpoint. So why keep them?

            Wasn't it destined to modernize the enterprises? Now everything has to be built from scratch, but they're failing miserably. Because the profiteers can only trade. That's what they've been doing, selling off the remnants of the USSR and the country's natural resources.
            Quote: Alexander K
            Then why keep them???

            Yes, yes, why do everything ourselves? Everything can be bought... We've heard it all before. Go and buy new airliners, military and space-grade microelectronics. And much, much more. It was people like you who destroyed and plundered the USSR. negative
      3. +3
        30 June 2025 09: 47
        There is no proletariat in Poland, everyone is a businessman. That is why Poland is so praised by bankers, it is a contented society that will stand up for capitalism, covering the richest with its chest.
        1. +1
          13 July 2025 07: 46
          How can there not be a proletariat? And who works in their factories and plants?
          1. +2
            14 July 2025 19: 29
            The fact is that people in Poland are completely unaware of their situation. And they are extremely anti-communist. There is often no solidarity among workers. Even where trade unions exist, some oppose them or are afraid of them. As Stalin said, "Socialism suits the Poles like a saddle suits a cow," so even if someone works physically, they most often support capitalism and will tolerate nothing else.
        2. +2
          14 August 2025 00: 17
          Is this serious or ironic?
          1. +3
            14 August 2025 08: 17
            No, that's an accurate description. It's like a homeless person in the US who is a patriot and a supporter of the system.
    2. + 25
      22 June 2025 06: 57
      For a Marxist there is no doubt that revolution is impossible without a revolutionary situation, and not every revolutionary situation leads to revolution. What, generally speaking, are the signs of a revolutionary situation? We will probably not be mistaken if we point out the following three main signs: 1) The impossibility for the ruling classes to maintain their rule unchanged; one or another crisis of the “upper classes”, a crisis in the policy of the ruling class, creating a crack through which the discontent and indignation of the oppressed classes breaks through. For the onset of a revolution it is usually not enough that “the lower classes do not want to”, it is also necessary that “the upper classes cannot” live in the old way. 2) An aggravation, higher than usual, of the needs and misfortunes of the oppressed classes. 3) A significant increase, due to the above-mentioned reasons, in the activity of the masses, who in a “peaceful” era allow themselves to be robbed quietly, and in turbulent times are attracted, both by the entire situation of the crisis and by the “upper classes” themselves, to an independent historical action.
      Lenin V. I. The Collapse of the Second International//V. 26.-P. 218-219.
      1. 0
        14 August 2025 00: 19
        I really didn't want to, but it looks like I'll have to reread it... wink
    3. +7
      22 June 2025 10: 12
      And in the early 90s, in addition to the “splashes of champagne and the crunch of French rolls,” there was also “the smoke of menthol cigarettes.”
      1. +4
        28 June 2025 10: 10
        More precisely, the absence of tobacco products on sale, as such. The communists of that time methodically, expertly, "in Lenin's style" destroyed the Union. Here you have empty store shelves, and trucks with products that "good people" did not allow into Moscow, and the "anti-alcohol campaign", which undermined not only the country's economy, but also health. What normal person can stand moonshine and counterfeit for long. All tobacco production was closed at once. I am a non-smoker, but I sincerely sympathized with my colleagues. In general, one by one, in Lenin's style, they created a revolutionary situation for us.
        What next? Has the population grown? Nope. Steadily falling. Population income? Even what had been accumulated was burned up by inflation. Industrial boom? Nope. They ruined, auctioned off and destroyed even what there was. They sawed up the fleet, destroyed entire types of short- and medium-range missiles to please "Uncle Sam". It's good that they didn't have time to give the Kuril Islands to the Japanese. There would have been such a precedent there, they would have given everything away clean. And this current war, which we can't win or end (and we won't win with this approach of our leadership), it also comes from our senseless 80s and crazy 90s.
    4. + 15
      22 June 2025 11: 40
      This is understandable, but the people are being "boiled" like a frog on a slow fire, gradually taking away everything they once had! Now they are talking about another increase in the retirement age and even about the abolition of pensions. In Pereslavl, they have practically ruined the "Russian Post" - it works 4 days a week from 14:00 PM to 16:00 PM and only for issuing, and such a luxury as postmen has long been gone! Of the latest "innovations" I would like to note the ban on the population selling "non-certified" agricultural products and forcing farmers to buy "certified seeds" instead of their own - 2 years after the adoption of this law, potatoes became 100+ rubles / kg. All kinds of mafias are thriving in the country: - fish, pharmaceutical (by the way, laws are being prepared to abolish the price ceiling on essential drugs), dental, agricultural (see above), forestry, etc. Tuition fees at universities are increasing, the quality of school education is rapidly declining. Healthcare is being "optimized" - it is known in what direction! There is only one way out of this situation - the Chinese model of development, but no one will let the Communist Party of the Russian Federation come to power!
      1. + 11
        22 June 2025 12: 37
        but no one will let the Communist Party of the Russian Federation come to power!

        They don't want to either.
        It has long been clear that all sorts of CPRF, LDPR, and other “parties” have long been ordinary puppets of United Russia.
        Any uncontrolled party that poses a danger to the current regime will be destroyed.
        1. +7
          22 June 2025 13: 15
          I always ask my friends after local elections - who voted for whom? Some for Zhirinovsky, some for the communists, some for Mironov - only a few for United Russia! But officially United Russia always won!?
          1. +7
            22 June 2025 14: 25
            So everyone had already voted there a long time ago, even before the elections began.
          2. +5
            23 June 2025 11: 11
            Quote from: Peter1First
            I always ask my friends after local elections - who voted for whom? Some for Zhirinovsky, some for the communists, some for Mironov - only a few for United Russia! But officially United Russia always won!?

            According to the results of an online survey, 100% of Russians use the Internet. © smile
        2. 0
          13 November 2025 13: 51
          Quote: Ermak_415
          Any uncontrolled party that poses a danger to the current regime will be destroyed.

          Moreover, in its very infancy.
          A very unpleasant situation has arisen now, where censorship and repression are returning to the Soviet era, the 37 model, but this doesn't affect the elites; they continue to plunder the country just as they did. While the Bolsheviks tightened the screws for ideological reasons and for the benefit of the country's development at all levels of the social ladder, now it's only affecting ordinary citizens and purely for the mercantile motives of a handful of greedy ghouls. And while under the Bolsheviks the population and its prosperity were only growing, now all of this is in a steep decline; we are becoming impoverished and dying out.
          1. -1
            13 November 2025 14: 04
            Quote: Zoer
            And if under the Bolsheviks the population and its well-being only grew

            Especially during the civil war and a little after.

            Quote: Zoer
            we are becoming impoverished and dying out

            Are you dying out? I don't believe it, you're eternal. laughing

            Are you still shaking the pipe? Yum-yum Yes
            1. 0
              13 November 2025 16: 03
              Quote: Paranoid62
              Are you still shaking the pipe? Yum-yum

              No. I'm just dryly stating the facts. Yes
              1. 0
                13 November 2025 16: 13
                Quote: Zoer
                No. I'm just dryly stating the facts.

                Well, go ahead. The comma is unnecessary, by the way.
                1. 0
                  13 November 2025 16: 15
                  Simple and dry. Without "and", a comma is needed.
                  But you performed the meme in a classic style! laughing
                  1. 0
                    13 November 2025 16: 16
                    Quote: Zoer
                    Simple and dry

                    And "just dry" doesn't work? Why did you even need it? laughing
                    1. 0
                      13 November 2025 16: 25
                      Quote: Paranoid62
                      And "just dry" doesn't work? Why did you even need it?

                      Simply cold is an adverb (simple) and a predicate (cold), so neither "and" nor "zpt" are required. But simply and "sukhoro" are two adverbs...
                      1. 0
                        13 November 2025 17: 22
                        Quote: Zoer
                        And simple and dry are two adverbs...

                        ... which go together wonderfully in the Russian language.

                        It's just (very) dry here. For example Yes

                        P.S.: or it's just very damp )))
      2. +1
        27 June 2025 04: 54
        Nobody will let the Communist Party of the Russian Federation come to power... And do they want to come to power? There have been no real parties in the country for a long time, much less those who want power. Everyone has long since warmed themselves in warm places and only pretends to be active, afraid as fire to cause discontent among the existing regime.
        1. 0
          13 November 2025 13: 55
          Quote: Sondbu-sondbu
          Everyone has long since settled into their comfortable positions and is only pretending to be active, afraid as hell of causing discontent among the existing regime.

          Yeah, that one with Poklonskaya - it turned out so funny))) But she was the ONLY one who voted against the pension reform.
      3. 0
        28 June 2025 10: 16
        I agree completely. But the current CPRF is not the same as the RSDLP or the VPB(b)
        1. 0
          13 July 2025 07: 47
          The modern Communist Party of the Russian Federation is an ordinary bourgeois party
        2. 0
          13 November 2025 13: 55
          Quote: Pavel Kosse
          not the same as the RSDLP or the VPB(b)

          What a comparison you have! negative
      4. +2
        28 June 2025 17: 17
        At the SPIEF, the guarantor "announced" that we are ahead of the rest of the planet. He made plans for the near future. As soon as you come to the cemetery, the statistics do not coincide with reality. From July 1, tariffs for electricity, water, and heat will increase. Only workers employed in these areas will receive a pittance in their salaries. Everything has already been stolen before us. hi
      5. 0
        30 June 2025 07: 38
        And who do you think is ruining the post office? This enterprise must make a profit so as not to live off the state. You don't see a line at the post office. Where will the money come from then? Out of thin air?
        And you have to pay rent for the building, pay salaries for the staff, pay utilities. Communism is over, and you want everything for free. It doesn't happen that way.
    5. + 11
      22 June 2025 13: 30
      That's right. We built a clone of Tsarist Russia. Dollars instead of gold, oil instead of grain. And the same elites that let the West milk our country.
      1. +3
        22 June 2025 14: 01
        In principle, you are right. But we are not exactly a clone of Russia. We have more than enough. At least for ourselves, our beloved, worthy and respected selves. We can live on just one product - oil, gold, grain and the entire periodic table - without looking into the mouths of either the West or the entire world community. And our people have more than enough brains. We have had more than enough elites in history, who were periodically swept away to zero. They will sweep this one away too. It is already slowly moving abroad. The children are already there. The bourgeoisie in power, as they are singing now, that everything is fine with us and the poor are being cut, and industry, production is overheated, and housing is built, we are about to fly on our own planes, etc. So what? The people are not idiots, they see everything.
        1. 0
          27 June 2025 05: 03
          This elite will not be swept away. The elite cannot sweep itself away by definition. Only the lower classes, who are now silent or having fun as best they can. Simply to maintain a balanced position, there is a slow and gradual movement within the elites and a kind of renewal without change.
      2. 0
        13 July 2025 07: 48
        First of all, they themselves milk Russia, and not just give it to the West
    6. 0
      13 July 2025 07: 36
      Capitalism, in principle, has no other goals than profit and personal enrichment, and does not intend to build any fair society.
  2. -38
    22 June 2025 04: 35
    The kulaks' incomes were much higher, but research is also difficult to find


    What can you say? Where did the kulaks come from in Tsarist Russia? The "kulaks" as a class were created by Lenin and Stalin. Created, and then destroyed. A propaganda article in the spirit of Lenin's "Pravda" from a hundred years ago. For some reason, none of the old men criticize the Russian Empire, only Stalin and Lenin. Apparently, they got it from the Bolsheviks, not from the Tsar. The purpose of this article is to repeat the revolution, and not to understand the problems of Tsarist Russia and the reasons for the revolution. However, the Bolsheviks and communists always lied to the people, which is how they destroyed the USSR.
    1. + 21
      22 June 2025 05: 04
      Of course, you can criticize Lenin and Stalin. But we enjoy the conveniences created under these leaders. And this includes electricity, heat in the house, aviation. You can't list everything. To throw all this away would be downright ingratitude. In the 70s, we had machine tools from the tsarist era. Not bad machine tools. But they were all foreign-made. I'm not saying that everything was smooth in Soviet times. And in what times everything was flawless. Only in the fairy tales of modern politicians.
      1. -37
        22 June 2025 05: 16
        Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
        Of course, you can criticize Lenin and Stalin. But we enjoy the conveniences created under these leaders. And this includes electricity, heat in the house, aviation. You can't list everything. To throw all this away would be downright ingratitude. In the 70s, we had machine tools from the tsarist era. Not bad machine tools. But they were all foreign-made. I'm not saying that everything was smooth in Soviet times. And in what times everything was flawless. Only in the fairy tales of modern politicians.


        You seem to remember the tsarist machines that worked until the 70s, and at the same time you extol Lenin and Stalin. The production potential of the USSR was created by the Russian Empire, and the Bolsheviks couldn’t even master it. They simply destroyed everything. The Russian Empire was the third largest economy on the planet at the time of the 20 revolution. Only idiots could destroy all this.
        1. +2
          22 June 2025 05: 56
          oh come on seriously)))) I worked at such an enterprise industrial zone there were no advanced imperial ones, Arseny saved the Czechoslovakian 63 year of manufacture))
        2. + 13
          22 June 2025 06: 02
          You, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, are lying even against all logic and common sense. The USSR is a large-scale development of ALL industries compared to the Russian Empire, and the result of your capture of the USSR is a large-scale degradation of ALL industries, deindustrialization, and your return to the wretched raw materials-import economy of the Russian Empire.
          1. -26
            22 June 2025 06: 55
            Quote: tatra
            You, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, are lying even against all logic and common sense. The USSR is a large-scale development of ALL industries compared to the Russian Empire, and the result of your capture of the USSR is a large-scale degradation of ALL industries, deindustrialization, and your return to the wretched raw materials-import economy of the Russian Empire.


            Enemies, you are lying - what nonsense. Just the bare facts. In 1917, the Russian Empire was the 3rd economy on the planet and became the 4th economy on the planet only after perestroika and the collapse of the USSR, during Putin's rule. During the Bolshevik and Communist times, Russia and the USSR languished at the bottom of the lists despite all their achievements. You just have to face the truth and not deceive yourself and others, which is what the Bolsheviks and Communists did. The one who lies is the enemy, not the one who speaks, albeit bitter, but the truth. Knowing the truth allows you to avoid mistakes.
            1. +5
              22 June 2025 07: 03
              You are lying again.
              In 1913, in terms of key indicators and share of global industrial production (5,3%), it occupied only 5th place, behind the United States (35,8%), Germany (15,7%), the British Empire (14%) and France (6,4%).

              And at the same time, the industry of the Russian Empire was developed by foreigners, to whom Nicholas II sold Russia.
              And the USSR was the generally recognized second economy and superpower of the world.
              1. -22
                22 June 2025 07: 08
                Quote: tatra
                And at the same time, the industry of the Russian Empire was developed by foreigners, to whom Nicholas II sold Russia.
                And the USSR was the generally recognized second economy and superpower of the world.


                Provide data, not excerpts and reports from members of the USSR Politburo.
                1. -2
                  22 June 2025 07: 19
                  Are you able to refute the fact that the USSR was the second largest economy in the world after the USA?
                  1. -2
                    22 June 2025 11: 27
                    Quote: tatra
                    Are you able to refute the fact that the USSR was the second largest economy in the world after the USA?

                    The world's second economy in terms of military-industrial complex, in terms of production of group B goods - somewhere in the top 30 approximately
                    1. -1
                      22 June 2025 11: 31
                      This is not how GDP is calculated in the world. And if both the USSR and China are productive States in terms of GDP, then the countries of the "golden billion" are parasites at the expense of production in other countries. And you yourselves are enemies of the USSR, having captured the USSR. For all 33 years you have only been parasitizing at the expense of what was created, produced, built in the USSR, and even selflessly killing each other with Soviet weapons.
                      1. -4
                        22 June 2025 11: 38
                        Quote: tatra
                        This is not how GDP is calculated in the world. And if both the USSR and China are productive States in terms of GDP, then the countries of the "golden billion" are parasites at the expense of production in other countries. And you yourselves are enemies of the USSR, having captured the USSR. For all 33 years you have only been parasitizing at the expense of what was created, produced, built in the USSR, and even selflessly killing each other with Soviet weapons.

                        If a country is not able to provide itself with goods of group B, then any calculations of its GDP are meaningless.
                        The US GDP now and the USSR GDP are inflated figures: in the US due to services, in the USSR due to the military-industrial complex.
                        This is a fact.
                      2. -4
                        22 June 2025 11: 41
                        Ha, you just wrote about YOU, the enemies of the USSR, you ruined ALL industries compared to the USSR, including the production of class A and B products. So your GDP doesn’t count.
                      3. +1
                        22 June 2025 11: 50
                        Quote: tatra
                        Ha, you just wrote about YOU, the enemies of the USSR, you ruined ALL industries compared to the USSR, including the production of class A and B products. So your GDP doesn’t count.

                        Of course it doesn't count.
                        GDP is a completely fictitious assessment of the economy, so relying on it is nonsense
                      4. -2
                        22 June 2025 12: 29
                        If a country is not able to provide itself with goods of group B, then any calculations of its GDP are meaningless.

                        Yes, you can't go anywhere without jeans and sausage...
                      5. 0
                        22 June 2025 16: 53
                        Quote: LuZappa
                        If a country is not able to provide itself with goods of group B, then any calculations of its GDP are meaningless.

                        Yes, you can't go anywhere without jeans and sausage...

                        As the collapse of the USSR showed - nowhere. The population did not stand up for it, the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs turned away, the party remained silent
                      6. +1
                        30 June 2025 07: 42
                        This is the same total poverty of the population, which has neither meat on the table nor pants.
              2. -10
                22 June 2025 12: 24
                Quote: tatra
                And the USSR was the generally recognized second economy and superpower of the world.

                They forgot to add that it was FIRST in terms of arable land area, but was NOT able to feed itself.
                1. -1
                  22 June 2025 12: 27
                  Why did the Russian Empire never get out of a state of chronic hunger? Why do you, enemies of the USSR, poison and destroy the people with counterfeit, low-quality "products" at high prices?
                  And why is your intelligence and mentality only enough for AGAINST others, but you have nothing for yourself?
                  1. -13
                    22 June 2025 12: 31
                    Quote: tatra
                    Why did the Russian Empire never emerge from a state of chronic famine?

                    Your achievers heroically fought and reached that level of "hunger" for...40 years. Yes
                    1. 0
                      22 June 2025 12: 36
                      So, for you, chronic hunger in the Russian Empire is normal?
            2. +9
              22 June 2025 08: 22
              By what parameter did the Russian Federation become the fourth economy? By the nonsense that Putinists are hanging on our ears?
              1. + 10
                22 June 2025 10: 54
                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                By what parameter did the Russian Federation become the fourth economy?

                According to Putin, he said this at the SPIEF in 2025, that Russia ranks first among European countries in terms of economic volume and fourth in the world in terms of gross domestic product.

                I won't argue, but let's look at open sources on the Internet. If you look at the nominal GDP, the Russian Federation is only 11th in the world ranking. The Russian Empire was 4-5th in the world by nominal GDP. And the USSR was an honorable second.
                The picture is roughly similar with the standard of living of the population. The USSR was in the TOP 30 in terms of standard of living. The Russian Federation occupied 40-50 place (This is despite the horrors! Before, everyone lived poorly). And the Russian Federation - 50-60 according to the UN. That is, if we compare our place among countries in absolute values, we are lagging behind even the Russian Federation. At the same time, we are told that never before has a person lived as well as under Putin!
                1. 0
                  28 June 2025 09: 06
                  Nominal GDP is not important. What is important is GDP in purchasing power.
                  A simple example. Country 1 and country 2 produced 1 kilogram of tomatoes each. In country 1, 100 kilogram of tomatoes costs 2 rubles, in country 50 - 2 rubles. When calculating GDP at par, country 2 produced GDP XNUMX times less. When calculating GDP at PPP, it is the same.
          2. +3
            22 June 2025 10: 48
            You're lying, yeah, yeah... I worked in 1985 at a serious company. Horizontal milling machine from 1937, Germany. A trophy, obviously. Worked well, by the way. Well, both me and the machine)
        3. + 15
          22 June 2025 07: 21
          Are you serious about this nonsense? A country that has never produced not only internal combustion engines, but even its own bearings, is, in your opinion, the pinnacle of development?? Well, at least they could lie more convincingly, or something. Honestly, it's not clever...
          1. -22
            22 June 2025 07: 26
            Quote: paul3390
            Are you serious about this nonsense? A country that has never produced not only internal combustion engines, but even its own bearings, is, in your opinion, the pinnacle of development?? Well, at least they could lie more convincingly, or something. Honestly, it's not clever...


            You probably won’t deny that most large enterprises were created on the basis of factories and projects of the Russian Empire.
            1. + 14
              22 June 2025 07: 50
              Magnitka? Dneprges? STZ? ChTZ? And hundreds and hundreds of others... Based on tsarist factories? Really? Doesn't it seem funny to you? Besides, what do you mean based on? On foundations? I worked at the Kirov plant for a long time. And my father worked there all his life, and my grandfather. Yes, some buildings are still from Putilov, but just some. I haven't seen any more, nor have I heard from anyone about any traces of the Russian Empire on it.
              1. -18
                22 June 2025 08: 42
                Quote: paul3390
                Magnitka? Dneprges? STZ? ChTZ? And hundreds and hundreds of others... Based on tsarist factories? Really? Doesn't it seem funny to you? Besides, what do you mean based on? On foundations? I worked at the Kirov plant for a long time. And my father worked there all his life, and my grandfather. Yes, some buildings are still from Putilov, but just some. I haven't seen any more, nor have I heard from anyone about any traces of the Russian Empire on it.


                ChTZ -
                The construction of a tractor plant in Chelyabinsk was envisaged by the first five-year plan for 1928-1932, adopted by the fifth Congress of Soviets of the USSR. On May 29, 1929, the Council of People's Commissars adopted a resolution on the construction of a tractor plant in the Urals.


                History modestly remains silent about whose project it was and when it arose.

                STZ - Sinarsky Pipe Plant
                In 1700, as a result of the Battle of Narva, the Russian army lost almost all of its artillery. High-quality iron was purchased abroad at that time, but the war interrupted trade relations. Peter I turned his attention to the ore-rich, but completely undeveloped Ural. The ore along the banks of the Kamenka and Iset turned out to be so good that the lands were confiscated back to the treasury. In 1701, Peter I issued a decree on the construction of an ironworks here - the basis of the future city [34], on October 15, 1701, the first cast iron was smelted. This was the first iron foundry in the Urals [22]. In the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, the settlement near it was called Kamensky Zavod.

                From 1825 to 1829, the appearance of the future city changed radically[36]. According to the designs of the chief architect of the Ural Mining Plants, M. P. Malakhov, who arrived in the city, the reconstruction of the Kamensk plant was carried out: two new blast furnaces, a plant administration building, warehouses, a hospital were built, and the main church of the city was rebuilt.

                The first electrification took place in 1903

                Whose project it was is not announced.

                STZ - "Stalingrad Tractor Plant"
                After the abolition of serfdom in 1861, the city's industry began to grow rapidly, which was facilitated by convenient transportation factors - the Volga and a developed railway network, and the territory - a flat steppe without any foreign buildings. This made it possible to immediately build huge industrial complexes with their own infrastructure and workers' settlements. In 1880, on the site of today's TsPKiO park, construction began on Nobel Town, thanks to which Tsaritsyn became an oil hub - here Caspian oil was poured from river tankers into railway tanks for transportation to the European part of the country. The proximity of crude oil gave impetus to the development of oil refining - kerosene and oil production began.

                In 1897, the French joint-stock company “Ural-Volga Metallurgical Society” built the Tsaritsyn metallurgical plant, which was later leased by the Joint-Stock Company DYUMO.

                With the assistance of the English company Vickers, the Tsaritsyn Ordnance Factory was built, the specialization of which has remained the same 100 years later: large-caliber naval and field artillery.

                It is unknown whose project this was during the Soviet period.

                Dneprges -
                Thanks to the emergence of new industrial enterprises in the region from the middle of the 63,6th century, Aleksandrovsk gradually became one of the main centers of agricultural engineering. The flour-milling industry developed significantly. On the eve of the First World War, the city's population reached 47 thousand people, a water supply system and a power station were built. Aleksandrovsk had XNUMX different plants and factories, four dozen craft workshops.

                During the First World War, a number of industrial enterprises were evacuated from frontline territories to the rear of Aleksandrovsk: auto repair shops, the Borman, Shvede and Co. joint-stock company plant from Warsaw, an aircraft engine plant from Petrograd, and a wire and nail plant from Riga. With the growth of military production and the arrival of a large number of refugees and evacuees, the population increased - by the end of 1916, it was already 72,9 thousand people.

                The project did not appear out of nowhere. There were serious reasons and it is unknown when the project was planned.


                Quote: paul3390
                Magnitka
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                Since 1899, the laying of correct open pits began. Extraction was carried out 2-3 months a year and amounted to no more than 3 million poods. The joint-stock company of Beloretsk plants planned to begin large-scale development of the natural resources of Mount Magnitnaya. In 1917, engineer Emerling developed a project for the construction of a blast furnace plant near Mount Magnitnaya with a capacity of 345 thousand tons of cast iron per year. Construction of the Beloretsk-Magnitnaya railway, 145 miles long (15 miles were built before the revolution), was begun. The Provisional Government made an attempt to practically implement the idea of ​​connecting Siberian coal and Ural iron ore, but in the summer of 1917, after surveying the Urals and Western Siberia, American specialists gave a negative answer to the question of the economic feasibility of the Ural-Kuznetsk project, after which the question of building a railway to Mount Magnitnaya, which was considered by the Ministry of Railways in the summer of 1917, was dropped.


                So this project is hundreds of years old and the reconstruction was approved in 1917, before the revolution.

                So, if the Bolsheviks had not intervened, the Russian Empire would have been the largest world power, with 500 million people. Somehow, even without the Khrushchev-era buildings.
                Don't be offended, but unfortunately this is just the truth. There was no need for labor feats and Pavel Korchagins. Everything would have been done calmly, faster and without multi-million victims and civil war and Stalin's terror and camps. All this was superfluous, stupid and unnecessary.
                1. +9
                  22 June 2025 12: 21
                  Project-project-project. Just like now - a development plan for 2030.
                2. +7
                  22 June 2025 14: 16
                  Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                  If the Bolsheviks had not intervened, the Russian Empire would have been the largest world power

                  If only... It wasn't like that. In fact, the USSR became like that. But not the Russian Empire, a prison of nations.

                  There is an interesting Internet portal History of Russia in photographs. There is no need to prove anything. Just look at the photos and you will see for yourself who was what in reality! In the photos of the 1917s to 30, ordinary people in the city looked like homeless people and drunkards. Just a pitiful sight. And literally a few years pass after the devastating Civil War and in the XNUMXs we see a completely different picture! Everyone is neat, trimmed and civilized. The same ordinary people! And the cities have changed. Construction sites and business life are everywhere. A picture of a magical transformation, thanks to the policies of the USSR.
                3. +3
                  23 June 2025 11: 53
                  Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                  So, if the Bolsheviks had not intervened, the Russian Empire would have been the largest world power, with 500 million people. Somehow, even without the Khrushchev-era buildings.

                  I'm afraid that If the Bolsheviks had not intervened, then the Russian Empire would have plunged back into a sleepy swamp. In which, for example, plans for laying a railway to the Izhevsk plant, on which the production of all rifles and artillery of the Empire depended, were drowned for years.
                  A significant obstacle to the development of the Izhevsk military complex was the lack of a railway connection with the imperial road network. Without access lines, the Izhevsk plant used river routes during the navigation period. The access road to the Golyany pier on the Kama River - a 40-kilometer highway - became impassable in the summer during the rainy season, in the fall and spring. Traveling even in a light carriage over this distance could take 18 hours, and the transportation of goods stopped
                  © Polikarpov
                  For reference: Izhevsk plant produced shield, spring and tool steel for all artillery factories, being practically a monopolist in this. It also accounted for 52% of all Russian-made rifle barrels and 79% of machine gun barrels.

                  But that's the best case scenario. In the worst case, against the backdrop of the post-war crisis and mass demobilization, a new 1905 would have flared up in the villages. Because the land issue had not gone away, but now the peasants would have had the rank and file and officer cadres who had undergone training and had experience to resolve it.
                  1. -3
                    24 June 2025 01: 46
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    I am afraid that if the Bolsheviks had not intervened, the Russian Empire would have again sunk into a sleepy swamp. In which, for example, plans for laying a railroad to the Izhevsk plant, on which the production of all rifles and artillery of the Empire depended, were drowned for years.


                    On October 9 (21), 1865, the plant was leased to the "Association of Industrialists". By 1870, L. E. Nobel and P. A. Bilderling were participating in the lease. On July 1 (13), 1884, the plant was returned to the treasury from lease. In 1873, steel production was organized at the plant. In 1881, a new production was created - rolling. From that time on, the steel plant became an independent enterprise. It supplied steel and semi-finished products not only to the arms plant, but also to many other enterprises in the country.

                    In 1885, in order to avoid a reduction in weapons production in peacetime and a decrease in its technical level, the Main Artillery Directorate, to which the plant was subordinate at the time, allowed the acceptance of orders for the production of hunting weapons from private individuals. Thus began the production of civilian guns, which ceased in 1897 due to the development and mass production of the Mosin rifle[28].


                    Is it worth dramatizing the situation and concentrating exclusively on the Izhevsk plant? It was quite a developing production, with its advantages and disadvantages, at that time.
                    The railway station in Izhevsk appeared in 1916. The first temporary station building was built in December of that year and was called Kazansky, as it was located on the branch towards Agryz and Kazan. The official opening of traffic on the Izhevsk-Agryz route took place on June 20, 1917.


                    Samara -
                    At that time, the Samara province was in first place in the Russian Empire in terms of the amount of wheat harvested. Active trade in colonial, manufactured and other goods was carried out in 375 shops. Weekly bazaars were held in two squares. Three large fairs were held during the year: Sobornaya (autumn), Kazanskaya and Vozdvizhenskaya (summer), which lasted for ten days; at the fairs they traded mainly in grain, lard, wool, horses, leather, cattle, camel cloth.

                    In 1874, construction of the Orenburg railway began, which passed through Samara in 1877. The Samara pier was considered one of the best on the Volga, and up to a thousand ships with various cargoes departed and arrived from it every year.

                    In 1915, an electric tram was launched.


                    Saratov-
                    At that time, the Samara province was in first place in the Russian Empire in terms of the amount of wheat harvested. Active trade in colonial, manufactured and other goods was carried out in 375 shops. Weekly bazaars were held in two squares. Three large fairs were held during the year: Sobornaya (autumn), Kazanskaya and Vozdvizhenskaya (summer), which lasted for ten days; at the fairs they traded mainly in grain, lard, wool, horses, leather, cattle, camel cloth.

                    In 1874, construction of the Orenburg railway began, which passed through Samara in 1877. The Samara pier was considered one of the best on the Volga, and up to a thousand ships with various cargoes departed and arrived from it every year.

                    In 1915, an electric tram was launched.

                    In 1828, the Saratov Tobacco Factory began operating in Saratov, one of the first in Russia. In addition to it, there were rope, tannery, bell, brick and other factories. Weaving workshops produced the famous cheap fabric - sarpinka, the "homeland" of which was the German colony of Sarepta
                    In 1844, the new building of the city council was ceremoniously opened.

                    In 1882, the Saratov Stock Exchange was opened. The opening of the exchange took place on February 14, 1882, 10 years after the adoption of the exchange charter in 1870
                    The cast iron and metalworking industries occupied a small place in the industrial production of the province. But even in this part of the industry there were changes. If in 1860 the share of production of bell and cast iron foundries of Saratov and Kuznetsk managed to reach only 1,7% of the total industrial output of the province, then in 1892 7 mechanical and 10 cast iron foundries of the province produced goods for 1 rubles, which was 251% of the total production of the entire industry of the province [000].

                    Until the end of the 1920s, Saratov remained the largest city in the Volga region (larger than Kazan, Nizhny Novgorod, Samara, etc.) and was often unofficially called the “capital of the Volga region”[


                    Tsaritsyn-
                    After the abolition of serfdom in 1861, the city's industry began to grow rapidly, which was facilitated by convenient transportation factors - the Volga and a developed railway network, and the territory - a flat steppe without any foreign buildings. This made it possible to immediately build huge industrial complexes with their own infrastructure and workers' settlements. In 1880, on the site of today's TsPKiO park, construction began on Nobel Town, thanks to which Tsaritsyn became an oil hub - here Caspian oil was poured from river tankers into railway tanks for transportation to the European part of the country. The proximity of crude oil gave impetus to the development of oil refining - kerosene and oil production began.

                    In 1897, the French joint-stock company “Ural-Volga Metallurgical Society” built the Tsaritsyn metallurgical plant, which was later leased by the Joint-Stock Company DYUMO.

                    With the assistance of the English company Vickers, the Tsaritsyn Ordnance Factory was built, the specialization of which has remained the same 100 years later: large-caliber naval and field artillery.

                    By 1913, the district town of Tsaritsyn had overtaken many provincial towns in terms of population – more than 130[000]. This was a period of explosive growth in the construction of residential, industrial, public and entertainment buildings, hospitals, schools, and hotels. The infrastructure also developed rapidly: the electrical network (47, Nobel Town)[1880], telephone (48, Nobel Town)[1885], water supply (48)[1890], movie theater (49), city tram (1907), bridges and ramps across the Tsaritsa were built.


                    You can go on for a long time.
                    1. +1
                      24 June 2025 10: 10
                      You can go on for a long time.

                      Why? There is enough stupidity in the world as it is. Don't add more.
                    2. +1
                      24 June 2025 10: 28
                      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                      With the assistance of the English company Vickers, the Tsaritsyn Ordnance Factory was built, the specialization of which has remained the same 100 years later: large-caliber naval and field artillery.

                      It's good that they remembered about Tsaritsyn's "Vickers". This plant is a clear example of industrial development in the Empire. Moreover, in a critical area for the military-industrial complex - the production of large-caliber weapons.
                      The fact is that the Tsaritsyn Vickers Ordnance Factory was never built in the Empire. The construction sank into a bureaucratic quagmire, fueled by the English competitors - the French. As a result, the factory was not put into operation by the beginning of WWI, and after the beginning of WWI, its machine tools left for Sormovo.
                      And when they finished building and launched the "Barricades", they were already red.
                    3. +3
                      24 June 2025 10: 30
                      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                      Is it worth dramatizing the situation and concentrating exclusively on the Izhevsk plant? It was quite a developing production, with its advantages and disadvantages, at that time.

                      Indeed, when the only major producer of special steels in the Empire and the manufacturer of half of the rifle and 4/5 of the machine gun barrels does not have an all-season road for communication with the country, why focus on this? wink
                      “It is impossible to obtain more steel,” the State Agrarian University asserted, “and even for the weapons factory we have to buy tool steel from abroad.”

                      But in fact, the manufacture of rough barrels was concentrated in Izhevsk, and the production of rifles for the rest depended on their supply by this plant; during the war, the plant produced 52% of all Russian-made rifle barrels, 79% of machine-gun barrels.
                      © Polikarpov
                      1. -3
                        24 June 2025 16: 08
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        Indeed, when the only major producer of special steels in the Empire and the manufacturer of half of the rifle and 4/5 of the machine gun barrels does not have an all-season road for communication with the country, why focus on this?


                        The railway was started to be built in 1916 and finished in 1917, i.e. before the revolution and in just one year, without Pavel Korchagin. But in the USSR the railway did not reach every settlement. Is it surprising, given the scale of the Russian Empire? Thank God that the main highways were built and launched.
                      2. +1
                        24 June 2025 19: 00
                        Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                        The construction of the railway began in 1916 and was completed in 1917, i.e. before the revolution, and it was completed in just one year, without Pavel Korchagin.

                        On the hunt to go - feed the dogs. ©
                        In the third year of the war, they managed to build a railway to the arms factory, which produced half of Russia’s rifle output.
                        And yes, they built a road to the Izhevsk plant since 1913. And two decades before that they discussed its necessity. belay
                        Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                        But in the USSR, too, the railway did not reach every populated area.

                        In your opinion, the manufacturer of 45% of the rifles, 52% of the rifle barrels and 79% of the machine gun barrels of the Empire, as well as a virtual monopoly on special steels - this is each settlement?
                        It’s roughly like the Izhorsky or Obukhovsky plant, located on the only dirt road leading to a freezing river.
                      3. -3
                        25 June 2025 01: 49
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        In your opinion, the manufacturer of 45% of rifles, 52% of rifle barrels and 79% of machine gun barrels of the Empire, as well as a virtual monopoly on special steels - is this every populated area?
                        It’s roughly like the Izhorsky or Obukhovsky plant, located on the only dirt road leading to a freezing river.


                        What's the difference between us and you? Let's not forget the scale of the Russian Empire. In just a few decades, the Russian Empire connected the territories from Warsaw to Vladivostok and Port Arthur with a network of railways. Great achievements! Yes, they didn't manage to cover everything with railways, but given the scale of the country, this is understandable. The Izhevsk plant had a river port and the railway was brought in a little later. Stretch your legs according to your clothes.
                      4. +1
                        26 June 2025 05: 38
                        Why did the tsarist regime buy Japanese rifles? Even the Fedorov assault rifle was made for Japanese cartridges. And the entire railway network built under the tsars was drowned in WWI.
                      5. -3
                        26 June 2025 16: 36
                        Quote: Redoubt
                        Why did the tsarist regime buy Japanese rifles? Even the Fedorov assault rifle was made for Japanese cartridges. And the entire railway network built under the tsars was drowned in WWI.


                        From Warsaw to Vladivostok is more than 10 km, in harsh climatic conditions and the railway was built and not only to Vladivostok, but everywhere, in all major directions. If I am not mistaken, BAM is still standing, and how much time and money the USSR spent on it.
                      6. 0
                        28 June 2025 15: 57
                        Yes, but all the railways were in complete disarray and confusion. And this was before October 1917. The Provisional Government simply screamed about it, calling for logistics to be improved.
                        the railway was built not only to Vladivostok, but everywhere

                        Well, I can also say "we still have the AN-2 flying everywhere, which first took off under Stalin."
                      7. -1
                        4 July 2025 20: 31
                        Why did the Soviet Union buy everything from food to tanks and planes from its allies? Because war is an overburden on the economy and that is why the Soviet Union and the empire bought weapons and not only from its allies
                4. +1
                  26 June 2025 05: 44
                  So, if the Bolsheviks had not intervened, the Russian Empire would have been the largest world power, with 500 million people.

                  Yeah, Russia would have remained rural without any urbanization, which is what reduced the birth rate. I can just see how modern women in Russia, which we lost, sit in villages and give birth to seven or eight children.
                  1. -2
                    26 June 2025 16: 43
                    Quote: Redoubt
                    Yeah, Russia would have remained rural without any urbanization, which is what reduced the birth rate. I can just see how modern women in Russia, which we lost, sit in villages and give birth to seven or eight children.


                    Do the math yourself. In 1917, the population of the United States was about 110 million people, and the population of the Russian Empire was about 187 million people. Today, the population of the United States is about 320 million people. It is not difficult to calculate how many people would have lived in the Russian Empire if the revolution had not happened. A task for elementary school.
                    1. +1
                      28 June 2025 15: 53
                      if the revolution had not happened.

                      Why exactly one revolution and not two world revolutions?
                      The task of primary school.

                      Absolutely right. This is the case when simplicity is worse than theft.
            2. +8
              22 June 2025 09: 45
              Yeah. Especially when the Perm artillery plant in Motovilikha (state-owned) was on the verge of bankruptcy before WWI (well, about like now), and for artillery guns under the navy creation program they began to build the Tsaritsyn artillery plant with foreign money. It was completed by the bloody Bolsheviks, it is called "Barricades".
              1. -12
                22 June 2025 12: 32
                Quote: Aviator_
                Yeah. Especially when the Perm artillery plant in Motovilikha (state-owned) was on the verge of bankruptcy before WWI (well, about like now), and for artillery guns under the navy creation program they began to build the Tsaritsyn artillery plant with foreign money. It was completed by the bloody Bolsheviks, it is called "Barricades".


                Actually, that's what needed to be proven. You yourself confirmed that the Bolsheviks used, developed and improved the industrial potential laid down by the Russian Empire, which you dislike so much. I don't understand where such hatred for the past and history of Russia comes from. Why should we renounce what was created by our ancestors? Maybe it's not perfect, but we have what we have and there's no need to hide or conceal it. You just want to embellish the merits of the Bolsheviks, but they did only what they did and nothing more, and even added a lot for the sake of propaganda.
                1. +5
                  22 June 2025 13: 52
                  It could just as easily be argued that the Russian Empire merely developed the Paleolithic production of flint tools at the Sungir site...
                  1. -6
                    22 June 2025 16: 17
                    Quote: paul3390
                    It could just as easily be argued that the Russian Empire merely developed the Paleolithic production of flint tools at the Sungir site...


                    Even so?
                    How would you rate the fact that only in some provincial town of Aleksandrovsk, now Zaporozhye, at the end of the 19th century the following was in operation:
                    In Aleksandrovsk there were 47 different factories and plants, four dozen craft workshops.

                    Somehow very far from
                    Paleolithic flint tool production
                    isn't it? And this was a small provincial town, but what was happening throughout the Russian Empire at the beginning of the 20th century? Actually, this is called "industrial revolution" in the general human sense of the word.
                    1. -1
                      26 June 2025 05: 33
                      Well, and? The Industrial Revolution overthrew the outdated monarchy. In turn, the Bolsheviks overthrew those who overthrew the monarchy and developed industry in revolutionary ways.
                      In any case, all the achievements of the Russian Empire are covered by the fact that several revolutions took place.
                      When discussing events a hundred years ago, many believe that all peasants had hindsight. Well, imagine that peasants a hundred years ago were told that they didn't need to carry water home in the city. There was running water there.
                      1. -2
                        26 June 2025 16: 22
                        Quote: Redoubt
                        The Industrial Revolution overthrew the outdated monarchy. In turn, the Bolsheviks overthrew those who overthrew the monarchy and developed industry in revolutionary ways.


                        In fact, the industrial revolution did not overthrow anyone or anything - it was not people, not soldiers, it was the process of transforming society. It was the Bolsheviks who overthrew, taking advantage of the population's mistrust of the government in the context of large-scale economic transformations.

                        Quote: Redoubt
                        Well, imagine that a hundred years ago peasants were told that they didn’t need to carry water home in the city. There was running water there.


                        There is no point in portraying the peasants of the Russian Empire as complete idiots.
                      2. 0
                        28 June 2025 16: 01
                        There is no point in portraying the peasants of the Russian Empire as complete idiots.

                        I'm talking about the inertia of thinking and conservatism of perception.
                        The Bolsheviks overthrew it, taking advantage of the population's mistrust of the government in the context of large-scale economic transformations.

                        They overthrew those who overthrew the Tsar. Isn't that so? And the peasants said, "The government is temporary, and therefore the money is temporary." And they sabotaged grain deliveries to the front. This is brilliantly described in the reports of the ministers of the provisional government before October 1917.
                2. +2
                  26 June 2025 05: 36
                  Why should we renounce what was created by our ancestors?

                  Why then should we reject the Soviet Union and hate it?
                  I am surprised by the opponents of the USSR who declare the Bolshevik propaganda to be false, but at the same time refer to it as fact.
                  Decide whether this is a fact or a lie.
                  1. -2
                    26 June 2025 16: 29
                    Quote: Redoubt
                    Why then should we reject the Soviet Union and hate it?


                    Telling the truth does not mean rejecting the Soviet Union, or hating the USSR - it simply means telling the truth and calling things by their proper names. It is much worse to finish with the shortcomings of the USSR and step on the same rake. This is hatred, betrayal of one's people and the history of one's country.
                    1. 0
                      28 June 2025 15: 58
                      It is much worse to end the shortcomings of the USSR and step on the same rake. This is hatred, betrayal of one's people and the history of one's country.

                      This is not true.)
            3. BAI
              + 16
              22 June 2025 09: 56
              Most large enterprises were created on the basis of factories and projects of the Russian Empire.

              Especially objects of the nuclear industry, space, aviation
              1. +7
                22 June 2025 12: 34
                Well, yes, and Ivan the Terrible invented the X-ray. He told his boyars: I can see right through you, whore...
            4. +8
              22 June 2025 12: 19
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy

              You probably won’t deny that most large enterprises were created on the basis of factories and projects of the Russian Empire.
              Then not "on the base", but on the territory. And not the majority, but some.
            5. -2
              22 June 2025 21: 45
              Dostoevsky's novel "The IDIOT" (there are already so many comments, I hope everyone will understand).
          2. -1
            22 June 2025 13: 27
            Well, damn...)))
            I can't help but write that opposite the plant where I worked there was GPZ-2. And there were a lot of these GPZs. Don't write about what you don't know.
            1. +3
              22 June 2025 13: 51
              And you - like, know? Well, well... GPZ-2 is a Swedish company founded in Moscow in 1916... Very timely - how many years had other countries been producing bearings by that time? What was the volume of production? That's it...
              And the First Gas Processing Plant was built in 1932. So... You are our expert..
            2. 0
              22 June 2025 14: 39
              In 1917 the enterprise was nationalized, and in 1923 it was given a concession for a period of 8 years. During the 8-year concession period the annual output of bearings reached 294,3 thousand pieces belay , but the annual demand for them by the beginning of the 1930s was approximately 4,5 million units. Until 1932, GPZ-2 was the only manufacturer of bearings in the USSR for various purposes, until the First GPZ was built.
        4. +3
          22 June 2025 12: 17
          Quote from Eugene Zaboy
          The production potential of the USSR was created by the Russian Empire
          The production potential created by the Russian Empire was destroyed by the Whites during the Civil War. The Bolsheviks even had to rebuild all the railroads.
        5. 0
          27 June 2025 11: 46
          Nonsense. It was the Bolsheviks who carried out industrialization. Crookedly, slantedly, but they carried it out. As it was: he took over a country with a plough (the Russian Empire), and left it with an atomic bomb (the first in space)...
          1. -2
            27 June 2025 13: 20
            Quote: Doc1272
            Nonsense. It was the Bolsheviks who carried out industrialization. Crookedly, slantedly, but they carried it out. As it was: he took over a country with a plough (the Russian Empire), and left it with an atomic bomb (the first in space)...


            The first railway in the Russian Empire appeared in 1837, and by 1917 trains were already running to Warsaw, Helsinki, Vladivostok, Port Arthur, Tashkent, Baku, etc. By the way, regarding the industrialization carried out by the Bolsheviks. As far as I remember, until 1991 (by the way, 74 was not enough) they were not able to lay a second line of railway to Vladivostok, so they pulled cargo from the largest port along one track. There is much more that can be said, but you probably know it yourself. It is not yet known what is better: a wooden sokha or a Khrushchev-era building. I prefer a wooden sokha and my house.
            1. 0
              27 June 2025 14: 38
              The first railway in the Russian Empire appeared in 1837, and by 1917 trains were already running to Warsaw, Helsinki, Vladivostok, Port Arthur, Tashkent, Baku, etc.

              And this is supposed to serve as proof of industrialization?
              to Vladivostok, so along one track from the largest port

              Oh-oh-oh, how neglected it all is. The largest port in the USSR is Novorossiysk. Then Odessa. Then Leningrad. That's one. On the Trans-Siberian Railway, the sections that were needed for the economic development of the eastern and southern regions are double-track. That's two.
              I prefer a plough and my home.

              All the other delights of Russian peasant life at the beginning of the last century would automatically be added to the plough.
              1. -3
                27 June 2025 23: 59
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                And this is supposed to serve as proof of industrialization?


                Naturally! The Russian Empire achieved this in 80 years, from scratch, and the USSR was unable to connect Vladivostok with the European part of Russia in 74 years, although laying the second route is much simpler and cheaper.

                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                This is one thing. On the Trans-Siberian Railway, the sections that were needed for the economic development of the eastern and southern regions are double-track.


                Even between Moscow and Orenburg in the 70s there were single-track sections of the railway and not only there. In order to report on the widespread electrification, people from small villages were driven into large ones, thereby damaging the development of agriculture. Even in this way, the issue of electrification of the country was completely resolved. There was not even a mention of gasification.

                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                All the other delights of Russian peasant life at the beginning of the last century would automatically be added to the plough.


                It is not known who would have solved the issue of universal electrification faster and more effectively, the USSR or the Russian Empire. Judging by previous successes, the Russian Empire was more effective and rational, despite its shortcomings. It is necessary to be able to build a railway network throughout the country, tens of thousands of kilometers long, in some 80 years. Who else in the world can compare with this achievement. A railway network that the USSR was unable to fully develop and electrify in 74 years. By 1991, the USSR came with a ruined village, empty shelves in stores, broken roads and outdated railway transport. This is the truth. The USSR was not able to solve all these problems on its own, without changing the social system, so they began purchasing (Western products), and absolutely ineptly, which only worsened the problems and completely destroyed the country.
                1. +1
                  30 June 2025 09: 34
                  Naturally!

                  The phrases "Naturally", "100 percent", "Of course" are expressions, not arguments. Please provide arguments for industrialization. The simplest marker is the number of people employed in industry and agriculture. When 4/5 of all your workers are concentrated in agriculture - what kind of industrialization can we talk about?
                  and the USSR was unable to connect Vladivostok with the European part of Russia in 74 years, although laying the second route was much simpler and cheaper.

                  The USSR rebuilt the Trans-Siberian Railway. Because the "industrial" Russian Empire relaxed building codes and regulations during construction. Because of this, it began to fall apart immediately after being put into operation. Therefore, they began to rebuild it even before the revolution.
                  In order to report on the widespread electrification, people were driven from small villages to large ones, thereby harming the development of agriculture.

                  Oh-ho-ho, how everything is neglected.
                  Judging by its previous successes, the Russian Empire was more efficient and rational

                  Examples of "efficiency and rationality"?
                  It would be possible to build a railway network across the entire country, tens of thousands of kilometers long, in just 80 years.

                  In the Russian Empire, its European part (i.e. the most populated), there was one of the lowest specific indicators of the branching of the road network (both in relation to the number of population and in relation to the area) among the countries of Europe and North America. So leave your fairy tales to someone else. If you manipulate absolute values, then here in the USA the length of the railway was greater.
                  By 1991, the USSR arrived with ruined villages, empty store shelves, broken roads and outdated rail transport.

                  What a primitive manipulation.
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                    30 June 2025 10: 05
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    In the Russian Empire, its European part (i.e. the most populated), there was one of the lowest specific indicators of the branching of the road network (both in relation to the number of population and in relation to the area) among the countries of Europe and North America. So leave your fairy tales to someone else. If you manipulate absolute values, then here in the USA the length of the railway was greater.


                    Increase in the length of railways
                    Russian Empire
                    Year km
                    1880 23 000
                    1900 51 000
                    1913 71 300
                    1917 73 800
                    1. +1
                      30 June 2025 10: 42
                      Increase in the length of railways
                      Russian Empire

                      So what? Does this somehow refute my words? Not at all.
                      In the Russian Empire, its European part (i.e. the most populated), there was one of the lowest specific indicators of the branching of the road network (both in relation to the number of population and in relation to the area) among the countries of Europe and North America. So leave your fairy tales to someone else. If you manipulate absolute values, then here in the USA the length of the railway was greater.

                      Have you shown specific indicators or the length of railways in the USA somewhere? No. Then why the numbers of the length of railways in Russia taken out of context? I know them better than you, believe me.
                      P.S. So I'll get examples of "efficiency and rationality"?
                      1. -1
                        30 June 2025 11: 17
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Have you shown specific indicators or the length of railways in the USA somewhere? No. Then why the numbers of the length of railways in Russia taken out of context? I know them better than you, believe me.
                        P.S. So I'll get examples of "efficiency and rationality"?


                        There is no need to follow the US in the development of rail transport. The Russian Empire built railways at the average European rate of development of rail transport.
                        In contrast, the US built a huge railway network and then cut it by more than 50% because it was no longer needed. Much like Australia, they first cut down forests across the continent to raise sheep, and now they're wondering why they did it. Only they thought about it too late, because of the widespread rise in salty groundwater and the destruction of pastures. The same thing happened with the USSR. Hurray! We built and built and finally built, and we built so much that it fell apart. The Bolsheviks are essentially very similar to the Americans and Australians, only much stupider. They fuss and fuss, and then everything has to be redone, if possible, but not always possible.
                      2. 0
                        30 June 2025 11: 37
                        There is no need to be equal

                        Wait, you just wrote:
                        Build a network of railways across the country, tens of thousands of kilometers long, you have to be able to do it in just 80 years. Who else in the world can compare to this achievement?

                        and now:
                        The Russian Empire built railways at the average European speed

                        wassat
                        That is, as it turns out, many people could.
                        In contrast, the United States built a huge rail network and then cut it by more than 50% because it was no longer needed.

                        wassat The main thing is that it was needed at the time of construction. Of course, I understand that you are trying to pull facts to fit your reality. But that won't work with me.
                        By the way, in the empire the most developed in terms of roads were the Baltic provinces and the Kingdom of Poland. There was no Poland in the USSR. Explain how this affects the statistics? And where do you take into account in your reasoning the fact that after the civil war only a little more than 20 thousand kilometers of tracks remained intact and everything was rebuilt anew with the transition to gravel, not sand ballast and heavy rail? And where do you take into account in your statistics roads of not general, but local importance, can you tell me? Do you want to provide figures taking them into account?
                        So what about the answers:
                        When 4/5 of all your workforce is concentrated in agriculture, what kind of industrialization can we talk about?

                        и
                        Examples of "efficiency and rationality"?
                      3. -1
                        30 June 2025 14: 06
                        You can't feed me bread, just give me a fly in the ointment.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        That is, as it turns out, many people could.


                        We must not forget the population density per square kilometer in Russia and Europe. Also, Europe had a much better developed road network, both due to the higher population density and due to milder climatic conditions.
                        However, the Russian Empire built railways at a comparable speed.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The main thing is that it was needed at the time of construction.


                        Who told you that they were needed? The thing is that after the construction was completed, they decided to liquidate more than 50% of the roads and introduced state regulation. Maintaining railways also costs a lot of money. The Americans stopped and it was too late for them to understand.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And where do you take into account in your reasoning the fact that after the civil war only a little more than 20 thousand kilometers of tracks remained intact and everything was rebuilt anew with a transition to gravel, not sand ballast, and to heavy rail?


                        So the Bolsheviks shouldn't have started a civil war. It's simple.
                        When building railways, first the transport infrastructure and industrial production base are created and this is the most difficult. When the network, even of old roads, exists, it is used to deliver cargo for construction, reconstruction, or expansion of the existing network and this is much simpler and cheaper. You understand this perfectly well. Self-evident truths.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        When 4/5 of all your workforce is concentrated in agriculture, what kind of industrialization can we talk about?


                        Agriculture is a basic industry, the basis of any state. Labor resources from there cross into other industries as needed and only up to a certain limit, otherwise the end of the state. Which is what actually happened with the USSR. Lenin wrote about excesses more than once. As a result, we got a country of excesses. It was necessary to think of eliminating small shopkeepers, cafes, restaurants and much more. The Chinese, in this regard, are much smarter, carefully preserved small production and only won.
                      4. 0
                        30 June 2025 15: 48
                        Europe also had a much better developed road network, both due to a higher population density and milder climate conditions.

                        Zero connection - India also had a higher population density and milder climate conditions, and for some reason the indicators are closer to Russia than to Western Europe. This is for you to understand the real level of development of the country, and not the diligently propagandized one.
                        Who told you that they were needed? The thing is that after the construction was completed, they decided to liquidate more than 50% of the roads and introduced state regulation. Maintaining railways also costs a lot of money. The Americans stopped and it was too late for them to understand.

                        Common sense has spoken. 400 thousand km of roads were built by the beginning of the 20th century, and passenger and goods traffic began to fall with the launch of the state program for the construction of highways between the states. Which began in the 50s and ended by the 90s. And that's when railway carriers began to close en masse, unable to withstand competition with automobile freight transportation and personal vehicles. Therefore, there is no need to make up stories on the fly about "liquidation after completion of construction."
                        So the Bolsheviks shouldn't have started a civil war. It's simple.

                        Ah, it turns out that the Bolsheviks formed the Alekseev organization. Clear, understandable.
                        General Alekseyev took up the post of Chief of Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief for the second time after the failure of the Kornilov rebellion in September 1917. He remained Chief of Staff under Kerensky for only one week and only to prevent reprisals or disunity in the command of the troops.

                        On September 9 (22), Alekseyev left this post. On October 7 (20), the general arrived in Petrograd. Here begins the history of the Alekseyev organization, which later grew into the Volunteer Army. The date of its birth is considered to be October 16 (29), 1917.

                        Initially, it was not about fighting the Bolsheviks. The general simply organized military people around himself, people who were not indifferent to the collapse that the army and the country had reached in the eight months of the revolution.

                        Why Petrograd? It was here that thousands of officers who had been deprived of their positions at the front came. Officers were sent here while still holding positions. Several cadet schools were located here.
                        The original intentions were to create a strong fighting organization of officers and presenting demands to the Provisional Government. In case of failure, plan "B" would come into effect: leaving for the Don to Ataman Kaledin.
                        Before they had time to look back, the Bolsheviks had seized power. The attempts of Kerensky and Krasnov, as well as the colonel, to suppress the uprising and seize power quickly ended in failure. It is characteristic that the Alekseevites did not stand up for Kerensky. He disgusted them just like Lenin.
                        There was nothing left to wait for in Petrograd, no one to make demands of. Plan "B" was put into action. Leaving the embryos of the organization in Petrograd and Moscow, Alekseev boarded a train and left for Novocherkassk.

                        Is it really not clear that the Bolsheviks had no reason to start a civil war - they had already become the authorities, having overthrown Kerensky, whom no one stood up to defend. It is more advantageous for them, as for any authorities, for the country to be quiet and calm. And so, in order to overthrow the Bolsheviks, a civil war was launched.
                        When a network, even of old roads, exists, it is used to deliver goods for construction, reconstruction, or expansion of the existing network, and this is much simpler and cheaper.

                        Are you serious? As construction progresses, cargo delivery is carried out along a NEW route, which appears to replace the old one that is being dismantled. And this is not just re-laying the rails. This is re-forming the embankment, with rational turning radii and slope steepness.
                        Agriculture is the basic industry, the main one of any state.

                        No. In any modern developed industrial urbanized country its share in GDP is no more than 3%. There is no need to replace basic human needs with basic sectors of the national economy.
                        Therefore, what kind of industrialization is there in the Russian Empire with 80% of those employed in agriculture and a low level of marketability of this same agriculture?
                      5. 0
                        30 June 2025 22: 13
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        No. In any modern developed industrial urbanized country its share in GDP is no more than 3%. There is no need to replace basic human needs with basic sectors of the national economy.


                        All that's left is to eat a bearing for breakfast, snack on a mobile phone and wash it all down with a glass of machine oil.
                        We must not forget the simple truth that one job in agriculture creates at least seven jobs in other industries. And you proudly and confidently say "no". Nothing changes under the moon, even with the help of revolutions. Especially with the help of revolutions.
                      6. 0
                        1 July 2025 11: 04
                        All that's left is to eat a bearing for breakfast, snack on a mobile phone and wash it all down with a glass of machine oil.

                        The fact that the share of agriculture in GDP is no more than 3% does not mean that these countries do not provide themselves with food. It only means that industrial products are more profitable for the country than agricultural products, since they contain a greater added value.
                        After all, it turns out that industrial countries that make bearings, mobile phones and machine oil do not experience a shortage of food products, 2/3 of which they simply throw away. And they can afford to eat better. Better than those agricultural countries where they buy food products for themselves.
                        We must not forget the simple truth that one job in agriculture creates at least seven jobs in other industries.

                        Firstly, this figurative expression, which is only supposed to indicate the multiplier effect, should not be taken literally. Secondly, the multiplier effect in industry is significantly higher, since industrial products are technologically and structurally more complex, and therefore involve more related companies.
                        Not exactly like that, but much earlier.

                        No, it won't work. You are trying to pass off state regulation during the war as "a decision to liquidate 50% of roads immediately after construction." No roads were liquidated, the state simply began to decide what cargo would be sent where during the war, in order to meet the needs of the army in preparation for the US entry into the war. In the 30s, there was no 50% liquidation either, only a decrease in passenger and freight traffic.
                        even fast food and GMO products. Are you suggesting to repeat all this?

                        Tell me what logical fallacy you just used?
                      7. -1
                        30 June 2025 23: 16
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Common sense said. 400 thousand km of roads were built by the beginning of the 20th century, and passenger and goods traffic began to fall with the launch of the state program for the construction of highways between the states. Which began in the 50s and ended by the 90s.


                        By 1916, the length of U.S. railroads had reached 408 km. During World War I, the U.S. federal government took control of railroads. In 773, the Federal Transportation Act was passed, returning railroads to private hands but imposing strict regulation on their activities.[1920]

                        However, from 1920 to 1934, the number of passengers on US railroads dropped significantly due to the mass production of automobiles.


                        Not exactly like that, but much earlier, but before the 90s they dismantled and liquidated what they had previously built. Everything needs a measure. Americans do everything with enthusiasm, even fast food and GMO products. Are you suggesting to repeat all this?
                        Obesity is a major public health problem in the United States. Adult obesity rates have risen significantly in recent decades, among both men and women. In 2022, more than 40% of American adults were obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). This leads to increased rates of chronic diseases such as type 2 diabetes, heart disease, and some cancers, as well as high health care costs.
      2. +1
        22 June 2025 11: 24
        Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
        I'm not saying that everything was smooth in Soviet times. And in what times was everything flawless? Only in the fairy tales of modern politicians.

        The USSR also collapsed according to this formula:
        "And here is the opinion of the philosopher Vasily Vasilyevich Rozanov:"Rus' disappeared in two, three days at the most. There is no kingdom left, no church left, no army left and no workers left. What's left? Strangely enough, literally nothing."
        The states are fundamentally different - but they collapsed in the same way
    2. +4
      22 June 2025 06: 13
      For some reason, none of the old people criticize the Russian Empire, but only Stalin and Lenin.

      What kind of old people are these? Those who captured the USSR with the goal of robbing the country and the people, and to justify this, slandered those from whom they took the country, and created a false myth - how wonderful everything was BEFORE those from whom they took the country?
      1. -13
        22 June 2025 07: 05
        Quote: tatra
        What kind of old people are these? Those who captured the USSR with the goal of robbing the country and the people, and to justify this, slandered those from whom they took the country, and created a false myth - how wonderful everything was BEFORE those from whom they took the country?


        Old people are those who lived during the existence of the Russian Empire and who had something to compare with, and not to carry nonsense and not to repeat propaganda. Communists are not even capable of lying plausibly, not to mention building a developed state. As soon as the specialists trained by the Russian Empire ran out, the USSR soon collapsed. Dialectics!
        1. +1
          22 June 2025 07: 07
          So specifically, what kind of old people were there in the USSR, like you, enemies of the USSR, who captured the USSR, wished only the WORST for their country and people?
          1. -18
            22 June 2025 07: 22
            Quote: tatra
            So specifically, what kind of old people were there in the USSR, like you, enemies of the USSR, who captured the USSR, wished only the WORST for their country and people?


            My aunt, an active participant in the Bolshevik movement, being a pensioner (by the way, a personal one) came to visit us and cried when she saw eggs and meat on free sale in the store.
            1. -1
              22 June 2025 07: 26
              This is the cosmopolitan, egoistic, anti-national, inhuman mentality of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people. They are trying to discuss the pre-revolutionary, Soviet, their anti-Soviet period with their signature "but I, me, I have...".
              You and the USSR seized exclusively for YOURSELF, and for all 33 years you have been bragging about how much YOU got.
              1. -13
                22 June 2025 07: 42
                Quote: tatra
                This is the cosmopolitan, egoistic, anti-national, inhuman mentality of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people. They are trying to discuss the pre-revolutionary, Soviet, their anti-Soviet period with their signature "but I, me, I have...".
                You and the USSR seized exclusively for YOURSELF, and for all 33 years you have been bragging about how much YOU got.


                What does this have to do with me? I gave an example of the reaction of an active, devoted participant in the communist movement, who devoted his entire life to the Communist Party of the USSR. I have not given the reaction of other citizens yet, but it is many times harsher and more negative. What you bought it for, you sold it for. Only and exclusively the truth of life, and not the memories of a contingent from the special service category on "Beryozka" coupons. The life of the population is one thing, and the Politburo and the party elite are another. Of course, the KGB officers, the SA officers with big stars, the party activists and other nomenklatura lived happily, but not the people in the Khrushchev-era buildings.
                1. -3
                  22 June 2025 07: 48
                  not the memories of the contingent from the special service category on the "Beryozka" coupons.

                  Ha, here again is the mentality of the enemies of the USSR, they do, speak and write everything in life for personal gain, they always pretend to be those who benefit them at the moment, and they think that everyone else is the same.
                  And why are you bothering me with your aunt? How do I know who she is?
                  Hundreds of millions of people lived in the USSR, and during Perestroika it became clear that there were tens of millions of you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people.
                  1. 0
                    27 July 2025 12: 32
                    Quote: tatra
                    Ha, here again is the mentality of the enemies of the USSR, they do, speak and write everything in life for personal gain, they always pretend to be those who benefit them at the moment, and they think that everyone else is the same.
                    And why are you bothering me with your aunt? How do I know who she is?
                    Hundreds of millions of people lived in the USSR, and during Perestroika it became clear that there were tens of millions of you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people.


                    If you don't like your aunt, pay attention to this citizen:
                    The picture shows a mechanic with his wife in Tsarist Russia. It is the war, the year is 1916. The mechanic is 22 years old, he has been married for a couple of years. The salary of an unskilled mechanic, which our hero is at the time of the photo, is 45 rubles a month.

                    The prices allow him to feel quite comfortable, let's see: black bread costs 2 kopecks per pound, rye bread - 5 kopecks, one egg (now the practice of selling eggs individually has come back into fashion) - 1 kopeck, 400 grams of lard - 22 kopecks, new boots - 6 rubles. The mechanic rents a three-room apartment (living room, kitchen, dining room, bedroom) and can afford to have a suit for photography and for going out.

                    Since the mechanic is young, he has not yet managed to obtain high qualifications, so he works as a simple mechanic. A highly qualified mechanic earns up to 90 rubles a month.

                    Our mechanic later left memoirs in which he wrote that “after the revolution, wages dropped, and even very much, while prices rose sharply,” and also recalled that when he “was doing party work in Moscow, he didn’t have even half of this, although he held a fairly high position.”

                    Our hero's name is Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev. Next to him is his first wife, Efrosinya Ivanovna Pisareva, who died of typhus in 1920.
              2. -2
                22 June 2025 12: 22
                Quote: tatra
                You and the USSR seized exclusively for YOURSELF, and for all 33 years you have been bragging about how much YOU got.
                So what? They were supposed to capture it for you? For what reason?
                1. -2
                  22 June 2025 12: 24
                  Thank you for confirming that the enemies of the USSR captured the USSR in order to make EVERYTHING worse for the country and the people, and to make EVERYTHING better for themselves.
                  1. -1
                    22 June 2025 14: 01
                    Quote: tatra
                    and make EVERYTHING better for yourself.
                    Damn, they were kind of hiding it, right?
                    1. -3
                      22 June 2025 14: 38
                      They did not hide this from their Perestroika, when they slandered those from whom they took the USSR. If people do something with good intentions, they will never slander others because of it, and will not cowardly shift responsibility onto others for what they themselves did.
                      1. 0
                        22 June 2025 21: 18
                        Quote: tatra
                        If people do something for good purposes, they will never slander others because of it, and they will not cowardly shift responsibility onto others for what they themselves did.
                        You are an absolutely shameless communist. Khrushchev shit on Stalin, Brezhnev on Khrushchev, Gorbachev on Brezhnev, Khrushchev and Stalin, and here you write such nonsense!
        2. + 10
          22 June 2025 08: 47
          Communists are not even capable of lying convincingly

          Are you sure that you are capable of lying convincingly? Alas, I hasten to disappoint you...
          1. -18
            22 June 2025 08: 51
            Quote: paul3390
            Are you sure that you are capable of lying convincingly? Alas, I hasten to disappoint you...

            I am not lying, I am relying on factual material and nothing more.
            1. +4
              22 June 2025 12: 24
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              I am not lying, I am relying on factual material and nothing more.
              Yes? Where is he? There are only your unsubstantiated opinions here.
              1. -11
                22 June 2025 12: 40
                Quote: bk0010
                Yes? Where is he? There are only your unsubstantiated opinions here.


                Read my comments and you will find a lot of useful information.
                All they can do here is shoot stars for the truth. Just like under Stalin. Only my rank is slightly higher and it can't be influenced.
                1. +5
                  22 June 2025 13: 59
                  Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                  Read my comments and you will find a lot of useful information.
                  I read them, even answered them. I didn't see anything useful.
                2. +1
                  22 June 2025 21: 51
                  Here it's a mamley, but in real life it's just a fly? Although it seems to me that they haven't smelled the army.. Facts, yeah, sat in the archives, counted? Read a lot of liberal crap and started pouring. There is such a formula, I think I heard it from Puchkov: If you are an anti-counter, then you are a Russoob, and therefore an enemy.
    3. +7
      22 June 2025 06: 20
      It was precisely the old people who were scolding! My grandfather said that we did not overthrow the tsar so that we could eat black bread again. This was said in the mid-90s!
      1. -18
        22 June 2025 07: 14
        Quote: Panadol
        It was precisely the old people who were scolding! My grandfather said that we did not overthrow the tsar so that we could eat black bread again. This was said in the mid-90s!


        So it was he who scolded the USSR, not the Russian Empire, and my people repeatedly compared how they lived under the Tsar and what they had to endure under the Bolsheviks and Communists, and they did this exclusively in a whisper in the kitchen without outsiders. A huge achievement of the Soviet government that intimidated its people.
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          22 June 2025 20: 14
          No way! He scolded the king!
          By the way, maybe you forgot, but the tsar was the one who carried out the food surplus! He commanded the economy so well that there was nothing to eat. Even the Americans supplied us with bread for humanitarian purposes!
          So, you were defeatists and you remain so.
    4. +9
      22 June 2025 07: 16
      Actually, the kulaks were created by the father of the Russian revolution Stolypin. By destroying the rural community. Before him, there really couldn't have been any kulaks...

      As for the old people - I never heard from any of my grandparents a single slanderous word about the Soviet power. Even from my noble grandmother...
      1. -19
        22 June 2025 08: 49
        Quote: paul3390
        Actually, the kulaks were created by the father of the Russian revolution Stolypin. By destroying the rural community. Before him, there really couldn't have been any kulaks...


        What does Stolypin have to do with it? Kulakov was created by Lenin with the help of the NEP, and destroyed by Stalin for some reason. Apparently, the education of the church school was not enough to understand why they are needed.
        1. -2
          22 June 2025 21: 53
          Apparently, it’s a problem with your brain if you don’t know and understand the basics.
        2. +1
          26 June 2025 05: 21
          and Stalin destroyed them for some reason. Apparently, the education of a church school was not enough to understand why they were needed.

          It is amazing that modern schools do not understand why the kulaks were removed. But it is obvious.
          The country needed a huge amount of grain, because it is currency. Mass plowing of all lands is needed. You won't wait for a private owner - he showed himself in the NEP. The kulaks did not buy tractors - it was easier and cheaper to hire farm laborers. The strip of land purchased by private owners or mortgaged to them by the poor did not allow for collective cultivation of the land...etc.
          1. -2
            26 June 2025 16: 12
            Quote: Redoubt
            It is amazing that modern schools do not understand why the kulaks were removed. But it is obvious.
            The country needed a huge amount of grain, because it is currency. Mass plowing of all lands is needed. You won't wait for a private owner - he showed himself in the NEP. The kulaks did not buy tractors - it was easier and cheaper to hire farm laborers. The strip of land purchased by private owners or mortgaged to them by the poor did not allow for collective cultivation of the land...etc.


            Indeed! It's easier to shoot, why suffer and waste time.
            1. -1
              28 June 2025 16: 03
              Indeed! It's easier to shoot

              Wait a minute. 96 percent of the population of the USSR never sat in the so-called gulag and was not shot.
      2. -12
        22 June 2025 12: 04
        Quote: paul3390
        As for the old people, I never heard from any of my grandfathers and grandmothers a single derogatory word about the Soviet government.

        They are not idiots - they went through the 30,40s and XNUMXs, they were taught...

        And my grandfather's favorite saying was:
        "The Soviet government is strong!!" said the man and cried bitterly..."
        1. +6
          22 June 2025 12: 07
          Well, your grandfather is not surprising. With such a granddaughter...
          1. -9
            22 June 2025 12: 37
            Quote: paul3390
            Well, your grandfather is not surprising. With such a granddaughter...

            reforged your grandfather?..
    5. +7
      22 June 2025 07: 27
      Eugene Zaboy: Where did the kulaks come from in tsarist Russia? "Kulaks" as a class were created by Lenin and Stalin. Created, and then destroyed.

      You are wrong, Evgeny.
      The kulaks as a social group appeared at the end of the 18th century during the era of the beginning of the disintegration of feudal-serfdom relations.
      The predecessors of the kulaks were the middlemen kulashchiki (from the word kul), who were known in Rus' as early as the 1660th century. The word "kulashchik" was first recorded in writing in XNUMX in a Russian chronicle.
      The term "kulak" itself appeared after the abolition of serfdom in 1861. Initially, it arose among the peasants and denoted peasants engaged in resale, speculation and usury.
      The concentration of land ownership in the hands of kulaks began after the abolition of serfdom, and even more actively during the Stolypin agrarian reform.
      1. +3
        22 June 2025 07: 36
        And the kulaks were one of the reasons for the February Revolution. When at the end of 1916 Nicholas II announced the food tax, they refused to give grain to the State and wanted to hold on to it until spring, when grain prices rose. And problems with bread began in the cities.
        And they wanted to arrange the same thing in 1927 in the USSR - a "bread strike".
      2. -16
        22 June 2025 07: 50
        Quote: Richard
        The kulaks as a social group appeared at the end of the 18th century during the era of the beginning of the disintegration of feudal-serfdom relations.


        I won't argue, maybe such an expression did exist, but these people were proudly called merchants and even had their own guilds. The merchants' activities were regulated by law, but science doesn't know what kulaks were.
        1. +7
          22 June 2025 08: 01
          but science does not know what fists are.

          What are you saying? laughing Have you tried looking up the meaning of this word in Dahl's dictionary? It was compiled back in 1863. smile
          There is an easier way - type in a search engine the question "when did fists appear?"
          And note, dear sir, I am discussing with you normally, without downvoting.
          1. -7
            22 June 2025 12: 01
            Quote: Richard
            What are you saying? Have you tried looking up the meaning of this word in Dahl's dictionary? It was compiled back in 1863.
            There is an easier way - type in a search engine the question "when did fists appear?"
            And note, dear sir, I am discussing with you normally, without downvoting.


            I wouldn't be rude either, and in general I haven't been accustomed to such things since childhood. There was no one to teach me rudeness.
            The concept may exist, but it was not widely spread before the NEP. Otherwise, this phenomenon would have been reflected in literature, school curriculum, or at least in universities. But neither there nor there is anything like this taught, therefore it is either insignificant or very local. Dahl has a lot of things that were never encountered in real life, or were not widespread.
        2. -3
          22 June 2025 21: 54
          Merchant-trader!!!! As a rule, not a manufacturer, but a kulak was first and foremost a manufacturer.
        3. +2
          23 June 2025 11: 20
          Quote from Eugene Zaboy
          I won’t argue, maybe such an expression did exist, but these people were proudly called merchants and even had their own guilds.

          Nope. These people were generally called bloodsuckers and usurers. wink
          A kulak is not just a wealthy peasant. He is a rural moneylender who ruins the community.
          With the existing restrictions, established with the best of intentions and perhaps entirely necessary, with regard to the sale of the basic necessities of the peasant economy, as well as the allotment land, for state and private collections, a correct, accessible credit for the peasants does not exist at all. Only the rural moneylender, providing himself with enormous interest rates, which compensate him for the frequent loss of the capital itself, comes to his aid in cases of such extreme need, but this help, of course, costs dearly to the one who has once turned to it. Once in debt to such a moneylender, the peasant can almost never get out of the noose in which he entangles him and which, for the most part, brings him to complete ruin.

          It is hard to believe the extent of the interest that is collected from peasants for money lent to them, which depends mainly on the degree of national need. Thus, in the summer, especially in view of a favorable harvest, a loan is given at no more than 45-50% per annum, in the fall the same creditors demand no less than 120%, and sometimes up to 240%, and very often the collateral is the peasants' per capita allotments, which the owners themselves then rent from their lenders. Sometimes the land taken by the lender for a debt at the rate of 3-4 rubles per dessiatine is rented back to its owner for 10-12 rubles. However, even such interest in most cases is still considered insufficient, since in addition to this, various works, services, payments in kind are stipulated - in addition to money, etc. In the case of grain loans - for a pood in winter or spring, two are returned in the fall.

          The same rural kulaks, as has been said, are mostly local traders, and they buy or take from the peasants for debt their grain, tobacco, wool, flax, hemp and other products. The nature of their activity in this regard is also well known. Not to mention the low prices at which they accept the peasants' products, here all the usual methods of such buyers are put into action - undermeasurement, underweight, luring into courtyards, with later incorrect calculations, buying on the road, at the entrance to the city, at a roadside tavern, with appropriate refreshments, etc.
    6. BAI
      +8
      22 June 2025 10: 02
      For some reason, none of the old people criticize the Russian Empire, but only Stalin and Lenin.

      What old people are these? How many people are in Russia now who were born before 1917? There are people who remember Stalin's time. Tsarist Russia - no.
      1. -1
        27 July 2025 12: 22
        Quote: BAI
        What old people are these? How many people are in Russia now who were born before 1917? There are people who remember Stalin's time. Tsarist Russia - no.


        The picture shows a mechanic with his wife in Tsarist Russia. It is the war, the year is 1916. The mechanic is 22 years old, he has been married for a couple of years. The salary of an unskilled mechanic, which our hero is at the time of the photo, is 45 rubles a month.

        The prices allow him to feel quite comfortable, let's see: black bread costs 2 kopecks per pound, rye bread - 5 kopecks, one egg (now the practice of selling eggs individually has come back into fashion) - 1 kopeck, 400 grams of lard - 22 kopecks, new boots - 6 rubles. The mechanic rents a three-room apartment (living room, kitchen, dining room, bedroom) and can afford to have a suit for photography and for going out.

        Since the mechanic is young, he has not yet managed to obtain high qualifications, so he works as a simple mechanic. A highly qualified mechanic earns up to 90 rubles a month.

        Our mechanic later left memoirs in which he wrote that “after the revolution, wages dropped, and even very much, while prices rose sharply,” and also recalled that when he “was doing party work in Moscow, he didn’t have even half of this, although he held a fairly high position.”

        Our hero's name is Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev. Next to him is his first wife, Efrosinya Ivanovna Pisareva, who died of typhus in 1920.


        On the issue of the poor, the needy, the unfortunate:
    7. +6
      22 June 2025 12: 14
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      Where did the kulaks come from in tsarist Russia? "Kulaks" as a class were created by Lenin and Stalin
      What nonsense! Stolypin fought against kulaks. A kulak is someone who lives in a village not from the land, but from capital. And in order to increase his income, he drives his fellow villagers into poverty and bondage. He won the meetings at the expense of kulaks and debtors. In short, he is a ghoul who drank the blood of the community.
    8. +7
      22 June 2025 13: 40
      Not so. Kulaks are a product of Tsarist Russia. Initially, the term "kulaks" arose among the peasants and designated peasants engaged in resale, speculation and usury. In the pre-revolutionary period, Bolshevik theorists (V. I. Lenin, L. B. Krasin and others) distinguished between kulaks proper (usurers, resellers) and peasant entrepreneurs (wealthy peasant commodity producers who in 1913 produced 50% of the marketable grain).
    9. -1
      22 June 2025 23: 17
      I don't understand those who downvote. My grandfather, the same age as the century, spoke respectfully about the landowners of the village to whom he was hired and was happy with the payment for his work. He said about the Bolsheviks that they deceived us - they promised land and didn't give it. If we had known, we would have gone to fight for the Whites. And it's also interesting, he said that they read Quiet Flows the Don during the Civil War and it wasn't written by Sholokhov)))))
    10. +1
      23 June 2025 11: 14
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      What can you say? Where did the kulaks come from in Tsarist Russia? "Kulaks" as a class were created by Lenin and Stalin.

      Seriously?
      In close connection with the question of collecting state, zemstvo and public taxes that fell on the peasant population, and, it can be said mainly on the basis of these penalties, a terrible ulcer of our rural life developed, at the end of which it corrupts and takes away people's well-being - these are the so-called kulaks and usury. With the urgent need for money that the peasants have - to pay duties, to get after a fire, to buy a horse after it has been stolen, or cattle after death, these ulcers find the widest field for their development. Given the existing, established with the best goals and, perhaps, quite necessary restrictions regarding the sale for state and private collection of basic necessities of the peasant farm, as well as allotment land, the right loan available to the peasants does not exist at all. Only a rural moneylender, who provides himself with huge interest, rewarding him for the frequent loss of capital himself, comes to his aid in cases of such extreme need, but this help, of course, costs a lot to the one who turned to her once. Once in debt to such a moneylender, the peasant can almost never get out of the loop with which he entangles him and which for the most part brings him to complete ruin. Often the peasant already plows and sows, and collects bread only for his fist. It is known that the landowner, when recovering from the peasants, according to the writ of execution, for unauthorized departure from work, for failure to fulfill the obligations assumed, etc., in the vast majority of cases it turns out to be completely impossible to get anything from them, - many consider it even unnecessary apply in such cases to the court. But a rural moneylender will always more than regain his own, not by those or other means, not by money, so by kind, grain, cattle, land, work, etc.
      © Alexey Sergeevich Ermolov, 1892.
      In 2 years he will become the Minister of Agriculture and State Property.
    11. -2
      27 June 2025 05: 12
      In my distant childhood I lived in the village with my grandmother, who lived in the tsarist times. With a kerosene lamp, natural farming from my own garden and my own piglet, no shops, rare forays of individual villagers into the city and their stories about events in the world, no radio or television. In general, the "wonderful" life was in the tsarist times.
    12. 0
      28 June 2025 10: 25
      Where did the kulaks come from in tsarist Russia? "Kulaks" as a class were created by Lenin and Stalin.
      / / / /
      History is really bad..)
      Stalin didn't "create" them, but rather liquidated them "as a class". Pyotr Stolypin created them, in part, with his reform. But there were wealthy peasants before him. Both of my great-grandfathers on my mother's side were kulaks. But they didn't suffer during the dispossession. They honestly joined the collective farm with all their property. My great-uncle eventually became the first tractor driver on the collective farm. A respected person even under the new government. That is, even then it was possible in any way. It wasn't necessary to either join a gang or go to Solovki (or both). There were still opportunities if you were ready to live honestly by your labor.
    13. +1
      13 July 2025 07: 56
      In fact, the term KULAK/MYROED appeared in Tsarist Russia in the second half of the 19th century, after the abolition of serfdom, as a result of the financial stratification of the peasantry (which even began a little earlier). And if the first kulaks on the path to accumulating initial capital were workers, then starting from the second generation, all his activities were reduced to speculation and usury, when most of the village/town fell into his debt and then worked for him. (it is not difficult to lend, the main thing is to be able to collect these debts with interest, so kulak podkulachniks appeared around the kulak and all together formed a rural organized criminal group (an example from modern times is Tsapki in Kushchevskaya). And the Soviet government first of all banned speculation, usury, exploitation of man by man - i.e. the entire main economic base of the kulaks, so they began to rebel, committing terrorist acts, sabotage and anti-Soviet agitation.
    14. 0
      13 November 2025 14: 03
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      What can you say? Where did the kulaks come from in Tsarist Russia? The "kulaks" as a class were created by Lenin and Stalin. Created, and then destroyed.

      laughing So, Lenin and Stalin created households in villages and hamlets that lived not by their own labor, but by usury on grain and oppressing their fellow villagers, taking everything they had? Why are you confusing these concepts? Lenin defined and termed this phenomenon, which absolutely had to be exterminated as parasites. It's another matter that they went too far and began to fleece even wealthy, not poor, households that lived by their own labor.
      1. 0
        13 November 2025 22: 20
        Quote: Zoer
        overdid it


        You've gone too far when you call the barbaric extermination of millions of innocent people, which led to famine in the country. The exact number of subsequent deaths from this famine remains unknown.
        1. 0
          14 November 2025 08: 54
          Quote from Eugene Zaboy
          You've gone too far when you call the barbaric extermination of millions of innocent people, which led to famine in the country. The exact number of subsequent deaths from this famine remains unknown.

          Millions? Destroyed? Deliberately? wassat You could have just said right away that it was one of these Navalnyites or other liberal anti-Soviet dudes.
          Millions didn't even die in the Gulags during the entire period. The Holodomor of 32-33 wasn't a deliberate atrocity and has nothing to do with dispossession. fool
          1. 0
            15 November 2025 00: 37
            Quote: Zoer
            Millions? Destroyed? Deliberately? You could have just said right away that it was one of these, the Navalnyites, or other liberal Dudei anti-Soviet types.
            Millions didn't even die in the Gulags during the entire period. The Holodomor of 32-33 wasn't a deliberate atrocity and has nothing to do with dispossession.


            Quote: Zoer
            Intentionally?
            - That's your expression, not mine. Do you like to label people?

            Quote: Zoer
            Millions did not even die in the Gulags during the entire period.


            No reliable censuses were conducted in the USSR from 1917 until the end of World War II, so it's impossible to assess the scale of losses. However, one can compare the population growth of the USSR and the United States from 1917 to 1991, and the data is quite disturbing. Whether you like it or not, it's a fact, a "medical" one. What does Navalny have to do with this? To love one's homeland and speak the truth, one doesn't have to be a liberal or a traitor; one simply has to be a citizen, not a sycophant.
            1. 0
              17 November 2025 10: 04
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              After 1917 and until the end of World War II, no reliable censuses were conducted in the USSR, so it is impossible to assess the scale of losses.

              Come on, don't make things up. There's data on people who went through the Gulag. And the USSR always had fewer prisoners than the US.
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              Nevertheless, one can compare the population growth of the USSR and the USA from 1917 to 1991, and the data will be quite disturbing. Whether you like it or not, it's a "medical" fact.

              Thanks, CEP. Remind me, was it the US that lost 20 million people in World War II, or the USSR? Why are you hanging an owl on a globe? You really want to throw it on the fan?
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              What does Navalny have to do with this? To love your country and speak the truth, you don't have to be a liberal or a traitor; you just have to be a citizen, not a sycophant.

              What are you saying? But your method is exactly the same as the liberals'. Lie, distort, substituting concepts, and voila—the desired image for denigrating your homeland and its history. negative
              The conversation is over.
              1. 0
                18 November 2025 13: 01
                Quote: Zoer
                Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                Nevertheless, one can compare the population growth of the USSR and the USA from 1917 to 1991, and the data will be quite disturbing. Whether you like it or not, it's a "medical" fact.

                Thanks, CEP. Remind me, was it the US that lost 20 million people in World War II, or the USSR? Why are you hanging an owl on a globe? You really want to throw it on the fan?


                To make it clear what we are talking about:
                1. The population of the Russian Empire by 1914 was approximately 178,4 million people.
                2. The population of the continental United States was estimated on July 1, 1914, to be 98,781,324.
                3. As of the beginning of 1991, the population of the USSR was approximately 290,1 ​​million people.
                4. The population of the United States in 1991 was approximately 253,392 million. 
                5. US population growth from 1914 to 1991: 253/99 = 2.6 times.
                6. Expected population growth in the USSR in 1991 at comparable rates of population growth in the USA: 178 x 2.6 = 463 million people.
                7. Actual difference in the population of the USSR in relation to the expected:
                463 - 290 = -173 million people.
                8. Taking into account the losses you mentioned in World War II: 173 - 20 = -153 million people.

                Now evaluate the effectiveness of the USSR yourself and don’t try to convince me of anything.
                1. -1
                  18 November 2025 16: 08
                  Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                  To make it clear what we are talking about:

                  This is all sheer demagoguery and a stretch of the imagination! While the USSR was losing tens of millions of people during World War II, the same tens of millions were immigrating to the United States. And after WWII, the flow of migrants to the United States only intensified. Don't confuse the good with the bad.
                  1. +1
                    19 November 2025 23: 06
                    Quote: Zoer
                    This is all sheer demagoguery and a stretch of the imagination! While the USSR was losing tens of millions of people during World War II, the same tens of millions were immigrating to the United States. And after WWII, the flow of migrants to the United States only intensified. Don't confuse the good with the bad.


                    Demagoguery is words, a set of words, but you are given figures or statistical data against which your demagoguery is powerless.
                    1. -1
                      20 November 2025 10: 24
                      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                      and you are given figures or statistical data against which your demagoguery is powerless.

                      Don't pass off your fantasies as real figures and statistics, then your writings won't be called demagoguery.
                      1. 0
                        20 November 2025 13: 25
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Don't pass off your fantasies as real figures and statistics, then your writings won't be called demagoguery.


                        ?????
                        Do you really have any other data? Perhaps you could share it? I suspect it won't be easy to find other data on the 1914 population in the United States and the Russian Empire. I'm curious, I'm looking forward to hearing from you!
                      2. 0
                        20 November 2025 14: 38
                        Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                        Interesting, I'm waiting!

                        Your data, or rather, your interpretation of it, is like the temperature on Mars. What does it show, and why bother bringing it here? What's the point of your comparisons, if in the 20th century the USSR survived two wars on its own soil, the Civil War and World War II, while the US never experienced one, only conducting occasional special operations at sea and a little in Europe. The flow of migration to the US throughout the 20th century was simply colossal. How do you even try to estimate natural population growth, bringing in the repressive system of the USSR, while completely ignoring that of the US? Your numbers mean nothing. It's like performing an abortion from a photograph. fool
                      3. +1
                        21 November 2025 23: 16
                        Quote: Zoer
                        In the 20th century, the USSR experienced two wars on its territory, the Civil War and the Second World War, while the USA did not experience a single one.


                        Even if the USSR had lost 40 million people as a result of the civil war and World War II, where did the rest go?
                        8. Taking into account the losses you mentioned in World War II: 173 - 20 = -153 million people.

                        8. Taking into account the losses you mentioned in World War II: 173 - 40 = -133 million people.

                        The population growth rate of the Russian Empire was much higher than the population growth rate of the United States.
                        The effectiveness of a state is determined by the population's quality of life. Quality of life primarily reflects population growth.
                      4. 0
                        24 November 2025 10: 46
                        Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                        Even if the USSR had lost 40 million people as a result of the civil war and World War II, where did the rest go?

                        Yeah, right, go there. A 40 million-person population loss now also includes collateral damage, potentially resulting from unborn children who won't start families for another 25-30 years, or even longer. This effect is much deeper and longer-lasting. If you don't get it, it's not the post office's fault. fool
                        Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                        The population growth rate of the Russian Empire was much higher than the population growth rate of the United States.

                        A good fairy tale, funny! wassat In the USSR, population growth was higher than in the Russian Empire. fool
  3. +2
    22 June 2025 04: 59
    Quote: Alexander Odintsov
    History has preserved for us a large number of photographs from that time. Very often these “frozen” testimonies tell of the high level of poverty of the common people
    Why judge such an important topic as the poverty of the common people by photographs? Below are photographs of peasants in Holland and Ireland.
  4. +7
    22 June 2025 05: 17
    Everything is clear and understandable, the author described it correctly: low wages (employers did not want to pay workers good wages), high inflation (prices in stores grew by leaps and bounds), predatory mortgages (the inability of the majority of the population to buy housing), backwardness in education (it is difficult for Russian students to enter and study, there are no scholarships), import of a huge number of migrants and their families, criminal national diasporas, low level of health care, defending first of all the interests of "oligarch friends" and ........ And then there was also the war with Germany and Austria-Hungary (for which Russia was unprepared, the generals were busy with parades and plundering the budget of the Ministry of Defense). All this led the "most democratic" tsar in the world to the basement of the Ipatiev House.
    1. +4
      22 June 2025 08: 59
      Quote: fiberboard
      All this

      All this is suspiciously similar to what is happening in modern Russia. I wonder why?
      1. +3
        22 June 2025 10: 58
        I absolutely disagree with you.
        Firstly: as follows from the article, the income of the citizen of the Republic of Ingushetia was very low. And the income of the "average Russian" is 200 rubles per month - the resident declared last year (among my acquaintances, there are no people with such an income).
        Secondly: the average salary of an ordinary Russian citizen last year was 70000 rubles (Mishustin announced), and this year it reached 100000 (Vladimir Vladimirovich said). Roughly speaking, between a second lieutenant and a high school teacher (conclusion from the table in the article).
        thirdly: the tsar was supported only by his dignitaries, the aristocracy and large industrialists (modern oligarchs). And Vladimir Vladimirovich is supported by 87%, and more than 90% approve of his activities (data from VTsIOM, FOM, Levada Center).
        fourthly: the tsar and his generals suffered defeat in WWI, but Vladimir Vladimirovich and his generals had only victories! (Especially impressive under Konoshenkov).
        1. +1
          26 June 2025 05: 13
          The Tsar was supported only by his dignitaries, the aristocracy and large industrialists

          That's why the tsar's relatives and grand dukes wore red bows.
          Officers of the Tsar's General Staff sold weapons at the Winter Palace. And soldiers were flogged at the front. For faith, Tsar and Fatherland.
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            1. 0
              26 June 2025 05: 56
              I think that fast is never good. I think there are no reasons for rebellion. At the same time, I understand that a system tied to one person can collapse.
              At the same time, I am sure that Russia's course will not change even with a change of power. And I believe that for this very reason we do not need to arrange historical divisions and allocations. Rus', the Russian Empire. The Soviet Union - this is all ours. Only enemies want to divide it and rule. Something like that.
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                      7. 0
                        26 June 2025 17: 28
                        Of course, a professional army should not be a caste. I mean that it should have a highly professional backbone: officers, warrant officers, contract soldiers. Of course, the Soviet Army in 1945 was skilled and effective, but this skill and effectiveness came at a very high price. For example, before retirement, I served 11,5 years in the Border Service. When conscripts were removed and officers, warrant officers and contract soldiers remained, it became much better. There is demand and experienced people. We had a conscript who destroyed three vehicles in a year and a half. We restored him at the expense of officers and sergeants. When he left, people almost cried with joy.
  5. +3
    22 June 2025 05: 54
    It's very convenient when people only have enough for food ((they don't have time for high thoughts, but how to hold on to a job, by the way, slaves also worked for food and a roof over their heads, do you understand)?
    1. ANB
      +2
      22 June 2025 14: 40
      . by the way, slaves also worked for food and a roof over their heads

      Well, slaves, in addition to food, were also entitled to housing. Something that is not particularly observed for hired workers under capitalism.
      1. +3
        22 June 2025 14: 43
        this is a non-core asset)) it was decided to get rid of it, the slave will also buy himself a box with his own money to live and be happy
  6. -2
    22 June 2025 06: 07
    And what revolution are we talking about, actually? The February revolution, which led to the change of the Russian state system from a monarchy to a bourgeois-parliamentary one, or the October revolution, carried out by a gang of several parties with not entirely clear goals and, after the Bolsheviks shot/imprisoned most of their "PARTNERS", proclaiming a course for building communism throughout the world (which Stalin later adjusted to "socialism in one particular country")
    1. 0
      22 June 2025 06: 10
      The enemies of the USSR, due to both mental mendacity and low intelligence, always confuse revolution with coup. Explain what, in your understanding, is revolution and what is coup?
      1. -3
        22 June 2025 06: 22
        The definition of "Great October Revolution" first appeared in the declaration made by Fyodor Raskolnikov on behalf of the Bolshevik faction in the Constituent Assembly.[9] By the end of the 1930s, the name Great October Socialist Revolution had become established in official Soviet historiography.[10] In the first decade after the revolution, it was often called the October Revolution, and this name did not carry a negative connotation (at least in the mouths of the Bolsheviks themselves) and seemed more scientific in the concept of the single revolution of 1917. Vladimir Lenin, speaking at a meeting of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on February 24, 1918, said: "Of course, it is pleasant and easy for workers, peasants and soldiers to speak, it was pleasant and easy to observe how after the October Revolution the revolution went forward..."[11]; This name can be found in the works of Leon Trotsky, Anatoly Lunacharsky, Dmitry Furmanov, Nikolai Bukharin, Mikhail Sholokhov[12]; and in Stalin’s article dedicated to the first anniversary of October (1918), one of the sections was called “On the October Revolution”[13]. Subsequently, however, the word “coup” began to be associated with a conspiracy and seizure of power by a small group of people (by analogy with palace coups), the concept of two revolutions was established, and the term was removed from official historiography[commentary 1]. However, the expression “October revolution” began to be actively used, already with a negative meaning, in literature critical of the Soviet government: in émigré and dissident circles, and starting with perestroika, also in the legal press[commentary 2]. The designation “October revolution” is also used in some modern scientific publications, for example, in the textbook “History of Russia. XX century" edited by Andrey Zubov (2009) or in the 5th volume of the dictionary "Russian writers. 1800-1917" (2007). Philosopher Anatoly Butenko uses the phrase "revolutionary coup"[14].
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Октябрьская_революция#:~:text=Определение%20«Великая%20Октябрьская%20революция»%20впервые,название%20Великая%20Октябрьская%20социалистическая%20революция.
        1. 0
          22 June 2025 06: 25
          You YOURSELF explain in your own words - what is the difference between a revolution and a coup. Otherwise, you, an anomaly of humanity, enemies of the USSR, who captured the USSR, rejected all the rules, laws, definitions of humanity.
          1. -4
            22 June 2025 06: 29
            I can't explain it to you because I care about your health. It seems you are overreacting to well-known facts.
            1. 0
              22 June 2025 06: 34
              Ha, that's what needed to be proven. The enemies of the USSR were unable to prove anything at all from their anti-Sovietism, which was their only justification for the 35 years of their seizure of the USSR with the aim of enriching themselves by robbing the country and the people.
              It’s all simple - a coup is a change of power without a change of the socio-economic system, which the enemies of the USSR organize against each other on the territory of the USSR they captured.
              And revolution is both a change of power and a change of the System, as after the October Revolution, and the counter-revolution of the enemies of the USSR in their Perestroika with the goal of returning capitalism, and with the goal of becoming the same rich and richest parasites on the neck of the poor and impoverished people, as the Bolsheviks overthrew.
          2. +2
            22 June 2025 07: 50
            You YOURSELF explain in your own words - what is the difference between a revolution and a coup

            Yes, it’s all very simple: the bourgeois one is good, therefore it’s a revolution, but the Great October Socialist Revolution, the socialist one is the key, is very bad, therefore it’s a coup.
            1. 0
              22 June 2025 11: 32
              Quote: Dimy4
              You YOURSELF explain in your own words - what is the difference between a revolution and a coup

              Yes, everything is very simple: bourgeois is good, therefore it is a revolution, and the Great October Socialist Revolution, socialist key, it's very bad, so the coup.

              Hm Lenin speaking at a meeting of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on February 24, 1918, he said: “Of course, it is pleasant and easy for workers, peasants and soldiers to speak, it was pleasant and easy to observe how after the October Revolution coup belay the revolution was moving forward…"
    2. +4
      22 June 2025 06: 55
      Quote: Amateur
      And what kind of revolution are we actually talking about?

      Judging by the fact that they talk about Tsarist Russia all the time, then about February. However, for some reason there are no photographs of the starving Kerensky and Milyukov.
      1. 0
        22 June 2025 07: 06
        Well, for the enemies of the USSR, the “history” of the pre-revolutionary period ends in 1913, how wonderful everything was, Russia produced so much food that it “fed the whole world” with the surplus, and then suddenly, bam, the Jewish bandits-mercenaries Bolsheviks came and destroyed all the beauty.
        1. +3
          22 June 2025 07: 19
          Quote: tatra
          Well, for the enemies of the USSR, the "history" of the pre-revolutionary period ends in 1913.
          But for some reason, the history of the communist party does not include such outstanding figures as Gorbchev and K.
          1. -2
            22 June 2025 07: 21
            Ha, this leader of the anti-communist/anti-Soviet counter-revolution turned out to be of no use even to the enemies of the USSR, whom he helped to seize the USSR. They de facto overthrew him, and even threw him in with those whom he had betrayed and slandered.
            1. 0
              22 June 2025 07: 22
              Quote: tatra
              Ha, this leader of the anti-communist/anti-Soviet counter-revolution turned out to be of no use even to the enemies of the USSR, whom he helped to seize the USSR

              Are you talking about the Central Committee of the CPSU?
              1. +1
                23 June 2025 12: 04
                Quote: Dart2027
                Are you talking about the Central Committee of the CPSU?

                This is shallow, Khobotov! ©
                The entire leadership of the CPSU, at least from the regional level, were anti-Soviet and enemies of the USSR.
                These are the builders of communism and a society of social justice. But we must give them credit - they built communism for themselves. smile
                1. -1
                  23 June 2025 19: 56
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  The entire leadership of the CPSU, at least from the regional level, were anti-Soviet and enemies of the USSR.

                  In principle I agree, although there were probably exceptions.
  7. +4
    22 June 2025 06: 08
    The enemies of the USSR are not simply praising "Russia, which we lost" in October 1917 for the sake of profit in their lying and hypocritical anti-Sovietism, they have proven that they are both against socialism and against capitalism as in the countries of the "golden billion", but that they are for what was before the October Revolution - for the richest power, for a System with a huge gap in income between the people - the rich and the richest parasites, and the contemptuous attitude of the parasites towards the people, for a wretched raw materials-import economy, for the high mortality rate of the people.
    1. +3
      22 June 2025 07: 01
      Quote: tatra
      The enemies of the USSR do not simply praise "Russia, which we have lost" for the sake of profit in their false and hypocritical anti-Sovietism.
  8. VLR
    +5
    22 June 2025 06: 13
    A sound, objective, well-reasoned article.
  9. + 10
    22 June 2025 06: 15
    Now Olgovich will come and tell everyone how it really was. And how the Bolsheviks lured everyone into the revolution by deception. And the article is "communist liars". laughing
    I'm just curious, judging by some comments, do people really believe that the revolution happened not because life was shitty, but because of the propaganda of revolutionaries? I've never seen people decide to kick the authorities in the ass because life was good.
    1. +8
      22 June 2025 06: 52
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      I have never seen people who, because they had a good life, decided to give the government a kick in the ass.

      good
      And I have never (or very rarely) met people who would celebrate November 4 with great satisfaction and delight... Moreover, many consider all the holidays legalized by EBN and VVP to be far-fetched... There are no statistics on this matter, just as there is no data from Rosstat for recent years on the population of Russia...
      1. +2
        22 June 2025 06: 56
        laughing I'm at the festive table on November 4th, but for a different reason: it's my mother-in-law's birthday. drinks
    2. -3
      22 June 2025 06: 57
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      I have never seen people who, because they had a good life, decided to give the government a kick in the ass.

      Generals and ministers in the Russian Empire lived very poorly - either the overthrow of the tsar or death by starvation.
      1. +1
        22 June 2025 07: 12
        Yes, many have forgotten that the February Revolution is also called bourgeois. Although, de facto, it was a coup - the form of government of the State changed, the name of the State, but the System remained the same, the rich remained rich and at the "top", the poor - poor and at the "bottom".
        1. 0
          22 June 2025 07: 21
          Quote: tatra
          the rich remained rich at the top, the poor remained poor at the bottom

          Perestroika = fight against privileges.
    3. -10
      22 June 2025 11: 48
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      Now Olgovich will come and tell everyone how it really was. And how the Bolsheviks lured everyone into the revolution by deception. And the article "liars communists

      What for?

      Let those "blessed" by the THIEVES people themselves they tell how and documents of those years,

      from letters to Pravda 30g:
      The peasant was a seller, and now he is a consumer, and all this was done by the government. Before we worked with a plow and a horse, and ate bread to our fill, and now with a tractor, and everyone is hungry. They scolded the Tsar, but they themselves began to give everything according to books, and there is nothing at all.

      You write that there are uprisings and a crisis abroad, and we have nothing, not even soap, but weren't there uprisings, well, in the village of Gostagaevskaya in the Anapa region there was an uprising, the peasants beat up the GPU, shouting: "Take your rifles", and when the soldiers arrived, they shouted: "Give us freedom", and the soldiers stood with us for 10 days, and the village of Anastasievka also rebelled, and how many villages rebelled for nothing. In the city of Anapa, in the gardens of Alekseevka1*, the peasants also rebelled against the Soviet power, and when they arrived there, they were almost beaten with pitchforks.

      The peasants say, "We'll die and not give you bread, they'll swell up with fat there, and we'll swell up with hunger, and when we didn't have enough bread and we came to ask the council, they told us, "Buy it at the market, and we'll tell you the same when you come to us to get bread," that's where the murder will happen, that's where the uprisings will happen. The peasants sold all their cows, left one cow each, because they considered everyone kulaks, and you've twisted the peasants so much that they've become like madmen (Anapa, peasant Komarchenko).

      "They are abandoning the collective farm"

      What's happening here a mass revolt of peasants demanding allotment of land and refusal of the collective farm. So we still have the influence of the kulak. Although we expose, nothing comes of it (Umanskaya st., Kubansky district, Kooperatsii st. No. 77-87, Solodovnikov A.N.).

      "Police shoot at peasants"

      Inform the XVI Congress: in the Kherson region. The police, with the participation of party and Komsomol members, shoot at peasants with machine guns in the town of Aleshki and other villages. The first steam was deliveredThe wounded were transported to Kherson hospitals; among the wounded were women. Under the influence of terror, peasants abandon fields, do not harvest grain. Take measures, otherwise the unprecedented harvest will be lost (anonymous).

      Urgent measures are needed (letter to the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)).

      "The uprising has spread to several areas"

      Siberia has risen up. The situation has become such as has never happened before. There is an uprising in the Shitkinsky, Taishetsky, Taseevsky districts. They are expecting an uprising in the Taseevsky district, where he was sent, any minute now.about 16 people who organized the uprising. The dates of June 30 or July 1, 2, 3, 4 are scheduled for an uprising one kilometer from the city of Kansk, in the village of Kansko-Perevoz, the communists are all mobilized. The local authorities are trying to keep all this a secret, by the way, all the people know everything. The mood of both the workers and the peasants is excited. The workers and employees are also unhappy. Flour costs 25 rubles, which has never been such a price. The rates for seasonal workers have been reduced compared to last year. And life has become many times more expensive. Seasonal workers are not given any products. The workers are also talking about a strike, in addition, they are waiting for an uprising or a war to get [weapons] and go and knock out all the communists, and then go and defend the government.

      "The pressure is worse than under the landowners"

      The pressure on the peasants now is the same as it was under the landowners, there is no voluntariness, everything is forced. Is such a thing conceivable? From the Minusinsk district, from one village they send out 200 families of "kulaks", who are not given any work, and are not fed at all. Every day, 10 children die in each individual area and adults. And of all those exiled, a very, very small percentage are kulaks. Livestock contracting is currently underway, where the last cows are taken from the peasants


      documents 33
      Urgansky r. On March 12 of this year in the village of Petropavlovskaya, fried fish were found near K. On the frying pan is the child's liver and heart, and in the oven is the child's burnt head.

      Krasnodar r. In the village of Staro-Karasunskaya, a poor individual farmer G. was arrested for using the corpse of a child as food, dug up for her in the cemetery.

      Armavir district. In the village of Uspenskaya on March 15, 1933, a wealthy F., his wife and two sons, who had been expelled from the collective farm, died of exhaustion.y. His two surviving children ate the flesh of the corpses of their mother and two brothers for several days.

      Aleksandrovsky district. In a number of settlements, systematic cases of death from exhaustion are noted. Corpses are found on the streets and outskirts of villages. In the village of Sengileevskaya on March 1, 1933 400 died of exhaustion

      Just remember - in RUSSIA - SUCH NEVER happened, only under the right authorities.
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      I have never seen people decide to kick the authorities out of their good life

      WHAT a good life is, people understood only after the VOR in the GV and, especially, in the 1930s, having found themselves in a terrible...
      1. +1
        22 June 2025 16: 00
        Just remember - in RUSSIA - SUCH NEVER happened, only under the right authorities.

        This is not true at all. Unfortunately, in the Russian Empire, famine and starvation among peasants were common, depending on weather conditions and crop yields, and this was treated as an unpleasant but inevitable phenomenon. The phenomenon is not so rare, repeating itself after unfavorable conditions for the harvest - if the year is poor, then simply famine, if a series of poor years, then famine and starvation deaths among the peasants of the Russian Empire. The years 1733-35, 1833, 1840 are very notorious in this regard. In general, bad harvests occurred in the Russian Empire in the 19th century approximately every 6-7 years.
        1. -5
          23 June 2025 08: 28
          Quote: 123_123
          It's not like that at all.

          this is absolutely true - read the documents above, idle talk is not interesting: in Russia they did not eat people, like in the USSR in the middle of the 20th century - remember this FACT
          1. 0
            26 June 2025 05: 06
            Late 19th century. Russian Empire. Turukhansk region. Famine. Cannibalism. There are documents online. Read them.
            At the same time, your opponents, unlike you, do not single out specific cases as a general characteristic.
            1. -4
              26 June 2025 13: 11
              Quote: Redoubt
              Late 19th century. Russian Empire. Turukhansk region. Famine. Cannibalism. Documents are available online

              . 20th century, South America, mountains, athletes from the crashed plane ate each other.

              But in the fertile granaries of Russia, there is no trace of mass cannibalism. Until your craftsmen
              1. 0
                26 June 2025 14: 42
                The famine and all the negative events associated with it happened before 1917 and after. And this is in no way connected with the ideology of the government. This is connected first of all with logistics, with urbanization and the introduction of new technologies in the countryside. This would have happened under any government, under the Whites, the Reds and the Greens. And in the conditions of a world war, even more so.
                1. -4
                  27 June 2025 12: 28
                  Quote: Redoubt
                  The famine and all the negative events associated with it occurred before and after 1917.

                  No way: in 20th century Russia there were no deaths from starvation in the granaries, not even a trace.

                  Even during the World War, Russia was the only one that did not starve; in Germany there were 800 corpses from cold.

                  In WWII people died of hunger in the rear and there was cannibalism. And if it weren't for the help of the allies with food, then in general...
                  Quote: Redoubt
                  And this is in no way connected with the ideology of the government. This is connected first of all with logistics, with urbanization and the introduction of new technologies in the countryside. This would have happened under any government, under the whites, the reds and the greens.

                  This is due to complete incompetence and inability to manage the country's economy. Let me remind you that there was bread in the country in 1932,33, XNUMX and they regularly distilled it into vodka Millions of tons of grain
                  1. -1
                    28 June 2025 15: 49
                    Heh. Germany was starving by 17, just like Russia. And not from the very beginning of the war. What does that tell you?
                    Regarding the "ability to lead the country", read the reports of the interim government on the state of affairs in the country. In short - it is a collapse.
                    The Bolsheviks prevented a greater catastrophe.
                    By the way, according to the reports of the Provisional Government, almost all heads of grain commissions in the regions declared political independence after the revolution. And they were the ones who held back grain. The Kuban Rada, the Ukrainian Rada and others. And I won't even mention the grain trade at the front. The Bolsheviks fixed all of this.
                    1. -3
                      29 June 2025 10: 37
                      Quote: Redoubt
                      Heh. Germany was starving by 17, just like Russia. And not from the very beginning of the war. What does that tell you?

                      about the fact that you're out of the loop. Heh.
                      Quote: Redoubt
                      The Bolsheviks prevented a greater catastrophe

                      name a greater disaster than their reign
                      Quote: Redoubt
                      The Bolsheviks corrected all this.

                      real famine and with it came starvation deaths, hunger riots and depopulated cities
  10. +3
    22 June 2025 07: 21
    “And one must lose one’s conscience to consider capitalism more in line with Christianity.”

    You can't lose what you don't have. This is about the current government.
  11. -7
    22 June 2025 07: 49
    To understand the standard of living in the USSR and the Russian Empire, it is enough to read the memoirs of the well-known prominent Soviet figure N.S. Khrushchev, in which he says that, occupying a high government post, he lives worse in terms of living 20 years after the revolution than when he was a simple mechanic before the revolution. If a high party official in the USSR lived worse than a simple mechanic in the Russian Empire, then how did the rest of the residents of the USSR live in those years? And all these studies are basically stretching an owl onto a globe, especially in light of the mass edits and falsifications of documents from the period of the Russian Empire after the formation of the USSR. No wonder they loved to compare the Russian Empire of 1913 according to indicators as far back as the 80s of the USSR.
    1. +3
      22 June 2025 07: 55
      Don't make me laugh. Khrushchev is the same pathological liar as the enemies of the USSR, including Solzhenitsyn and all the enemies of the USSR who seized the USSR.
      And the source of this is very dubious.
      Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev, during a visit to the United States, at a lunch in his honor, hosted on September 19, 1959 by the film studio "XX century-Fox", recalled:
      1. -8
        22 June 2025 11: 22
        Quote: tatra
        Khrushchev is the same pathological liar

        He's no match for his predecessor:

        Speech from February 19. 1933:
        We have achieved that millions of masses of poor people, who previously lived in hunger, have now become middle peasants on collective farms, have become wealthy people


        There he is, February 1933 at "secured people" in reality::
        :
        sisters S., K., all - individual middle-class women and the poor collective farmer U., which are due to hunger In early February of this year, they ate the body of K. Z's husband, who died of exhaustion.then, continuing to fast, 5 February s.g.stabbed to death 13-year-old sister S. and from that time until March 10 of this year, inviting under various pretexts to his apartment, at different times They killed collective farmers Sh., T., a member of the commune M., P., who was expelled from the collective farm, and individual farmer K.. Only 5 people. The corpses of the latter were cut into pieces, the meat was boiled and used for food, and sausages were prepared.

        In the same villagecollective farmers T. and Ch., having invited him into the apartment, killed their 9-year-old son collective farmer R. March 12 this year parts of the latter's corpse and sausage stuffed with human mass. There is also individual farmer S., brother his collective farmer S. and collective farmer B. ate the meat of corpses they dug up in cemeteries for a month.


        It is hard to imagine greater cynicism and lies...
        1. -3
          22 June 2025 11: 36
          Due to mental mendacity, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people even use the history of our country and people for their vile and criminal purposes. Thus, they threw out the hungry years from the pre-revolutionary period, which happened every 2-3 years, and created a myth about an abundant Russia before the communists.
          And from the entire Soviet period they pulled out one famine in peacetime, with hypocritical “philanthropy” they presented it as a “crime” of the Soviet government.
          1. -7
            22 June 2025 12: 17
            Due to mental mendacity, the enemies of the enemies of the USSR even use the history of our country and people for their vile and criminal purposes. Thus, they threw out the hungry years that happened every year from the post-revolutionary period and created a myth about the abundant USSR under the communists.

            An example of an unheard-of lie - see above, and there are tons of others like it.
            Quote: tatra
            And from the entire Soviet period, they pulled out one famine in peacetime,

            People ate people in peacetime during the USSR in the 20,30,40-s, as well as starved - remember, finally, USSR documents about it!

            In Russia, this did NOT happen - remember this forever.
            1. -3
              22 June 2025 12: 23
              Yes, no matter how much you, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, lie or dissemble to justify your seizure of the USSR for criminal purposes - to the detriment of the country and the people. You always expose yourselves. Including the fact that you don’t care about what happened under the Romanovs - about all those who starved and died of hunger, about those repressed and executed for political reasons, about the hundreds of thousands deported in 1914-1916.
              And beyond your anti-Sovietism, you have proven your true inhuman nature, and often misanthropy.
              1. -5
                22 June 2025 12: 29
                Quote: tatra
                You always expose yourself.

                for now YOUR lies about NON-famines in the USSR and wealthy people
                Quote: tatra
                under the Romanovs - for all those who starved and died of hunger,

                Romanov, like the whole WORLD, before your famines in 1933 - like the moon

                People ate people in peacetime under the USSR in the 20,30,40s, XNUMXs, XNUMXs, and they also starved - remember, finally, the USSR documents about this!
                1. -5
                  22 June 2025 12: 34
                  Stop lying, I wrote that in the USSR there was one famine in peacetime. And no one knows what happened in the Russian Empire, which had 35-40 hungry years per century. And your assertion that there were no people during the famine in the Russian Empire is unproven.
                  Some enemies of the USSR are inadequate, one of them and his aunt got attached to me, another one said that if they didn’t eat people, then they didn’t care about all those who died of hunger.
                  1. -6
                    22 June 2025 12: 44
                    Quote: tatra
                    Stop lying, I wrote that in the USSR there was one famine in peacetime

                    so don't lie-dying of hunger under you in 1918,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,27,28,30,31,32,33,34,35,37,46,47, ate people under you in 1922,33,47

                    Remember at last?
                    1. -2
                      22 June 2025 12: 49
                      LIES. And you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, are so impudent and cynical that you even present the famine during and after the Civil War you unleashed against them and their supporters, and during your attack on them in 1941, as a "crime" of the Bolshevik-Communists.
                      1. -5
                        22 June 2025 12: 59
                        Quote: tatra
                        LYING

                        USSR documents - LEARN, please! Historical materialism for starters.
                      2. -2
                        22 June 2025 13: 04
                        Well yes, when the enemies of the USSR are unable to prove their words, they send others to look for evidence of their words.
                        In total, over 350 years of famine were recorded in the European part of Russia during the period from the 1024th to the 1070th centuries, with the most severe famines occurring in 1126, 1128, 1214-1215, 1230-1231, 1279-1420, 1422,1601, 1603,1732-1734,1785, 1789,1833-1834,1873, 1874-1891, 1892,1896-1898,1901, 1902,1906-1907,1911, 1912-XNUMX, XNUMX-XNUMX, XNUMX-XNUMX, XNUMX-XNUMX, XNUMX-XNUMX, XNUMX-XNUMX.
                      3. -5
                        23 June 2025 09: 30
                        Quote: tatra
                        Well yes, when the enemies of the USSR are unable to prove their words, they send others to look for evidence of their words.

                        don't search, but READ documents, Istmat website
                        Quote: tatra
                        In total for the period XI-XX

                        ...In the same village, collective farmers T. and Ch., having invited him into their apartment, killed the 9-year-old son of collective farmer R. on March 12 of this year. They took parts of the latter's corpse and a sausage stuffed with human flesh. In the same place, individual farmer S., his brother, collective farmer S., and collective farmer B., for a month ate the meat of corpses that they dug up in cemeteries.
                        OGPU summary, 33, g.

                        There is no such thing in Russia. And in the world at this time.
                      4. -1
                        25 June 2025 18: 52
                        There were cases of cannibalism both in the world and in tsarist Russia.
                        There would have been a famine in the 30s and XNUMXs in the tsarist empire if it had lived to see it. Because it was laid down by the reforms of the last Romanovs.
        2. 0
          26 June 2025 05: 04
          Collective farmers T. and Ch., having invited him into the apartment, killed the 9-year-old son of a collective farmer

          A direct copy of the Time of Troubles famine. Exactly the same. As if copied.
          1. -3
            26 June 2025 13: 06
            Quote: Redoubt
            A direct copy of the Time of Troubles famine. Exactly the same. As if copied.

            exactly! Only then winter came in the summer for more than one year and century.....17!
            20th century, year 32, Stalin: the harvest is no worse than 31!
            1. +1
              26 June 2025 14: 33
              No, I'm talking about documents. The story is straight out of there.
        3. 0
          26 June 2025 05: 09
          The very fact of revolutions in the Russian Empire in the 20th century covers up all the other facts at once.
          In St. Petersburg, the February revolution began because of rumors about the lack of bread. Why is that, if everyone was well-fed?
          1. -2
            26 June 2025 13: 08
            Quote: Redoubt
            Fact itself

            cannibalism covers all your "facts" like a sheep.
            1. 0
              26 June 2025 14: 36
              No, these particulars do not hide anything. Such particulars existed before 17. But unlike you, your opponents simply understand that these are particulars and not general characteristics.
              But here is a fact about Revolutions that is devastating. This is not a private matter.
              1. -5
                27 June 2025 14: 07
                Quote: Redoubt
                No, these details do not hide anything. Such details existed before 17.

                this is not a particularity, -20,30,40s
                Quote: Redoubt
                There were such particulars before 17.

                do not make me laugh
                1. 0
                  28 June 2025 15: 44
                  Apparently, these particulars are a holy cow for you. Well, for God's sake. Nevertheless, revolutions happened. If from a good life, then you are doubly funny.
                  1. -4
                    29 June 2025 10: 25
                    Quote: Redoubt
                    these particulars

                    tens of millions of corpses from hunger... particulars?! And is it not true that this is more than the population of many countries? And there weren't any before the Bolsheviks?
                    Quote: Redoubt
                    Nevertheless, revolutions did happen.

                    Yes, there was a world war unprecedented in history.

                    The USSR disappeared into peace and prosperity around...
                    1. 0
                      30 June 2025 09: 40
                      tens of millions of corpses from starvation...

                      hundreds, what can I say.
                      The more shameless the lie, the faster they will believe it, right?
            2. -1
              27 June 2025 09: 43
              cannibalism covers all your "facts" like a sheep.

              Documenting such cases is evidence that the country has finally gained control, not that there was nothing like it before.
      2. -2
        23 June 2025 08: 27
        In 1937, Khrushchev actually told the truth about himself, because while holding such a position, saying such things is a terrible sedition and for which one would have been shot without a word, but he nevertheless allowed himself to say such things, even if it was in his diary, which (as he hoped) no one else would read. This is precisely the truth, apparently his conscience tormented him after all he had done.
        1. +1
          25 June 2025 18: 46
          Khrushchev's words indicate that the Soviet bureaucracy did not receive that much at that time. By the way, Soviet deputies did not have salaries like deputies do now. They were paid only during sessions.
  12. -7
    22 June 2025 07: 52
    ,,,one cow and two sheep... I don't understand why it was impossible to have 3 cows and 10 sheep, keep bees? I went to my grandparents in Soviet times (1980s), their grandfather worked on a collective farm, my grandmother was retired, there were pigs and sheep and 1 cow, 1 heifer, 2 calves, 8 beehives
    in bees. They lived comfortably - they handed over a 150 kg calf for 2 rubles live weight, received three hundred rubles! I had an assistant locomotive driver after serving in the Army, 1987, the salary was 40 rubles advance, 70 rubles counting. And this was in Soviet times! It's their own fault! I'm talking about the poverty of the peasants before 1917! They didn't want to work! Drunkards and rabble! It was they who in 1917 put red "jambs" on their shoulders, a revolver, and went to dispossess the "kulaks", those people who earned a living with their backs! My two great-grandfathers were dispossessed, their mill and cattle were taken away, their family was kicked out of their home and they lived in a dugout ... Trouble ...
    1. -2
      22 June 2025 08: 09
      And who then worked in the USSR, who rebuilt the country after the Civil War and the Great Patriotic War, who developed the country, if you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, both under the USSR and after your capture of the USSR, always only parasitized and continue to parasitize at the expense of other people’s labor?
      1. -4
        23 June 2025 08: 29
        If there had been no Maidan in 1917, there would have been no Great Patriotic War and no one would have dared to attack the Russian Empire after the victory in WWI, because it would have been a completely different country in terms of power than the USSR.
        1. 0
          23 June 2025 16: 20
          no one would have dared to attack the Russian Empire after the victory in WWI, because it would have been a completely different country in terms of power

          What would become so powerful?
        2. 0
          25 June 2025 18: 40
          Yeah. What about the Russo-Japanese war in the mighty Russian Empire? The damned Soviets crushed the Japanese army in weeks.
          And what about the mighty Russian Empire, which acted as the second front since the beginning of the war, with its successes in the offensive? When the second front opened, the Soviets multiplied the Army Group Center by zero.
          And there is no guarantee that if cousin Nicky had lived to see WWII, he would not have fought in alliance with Germany against England and France.
    2. +2
      22 June 2025 10: 42
      They didn't want to work! Drunks and rabble!

      Have you read the article? Where to work? To toil for your relatives in exchange for food and boots? To get more cattle? And what to feed them with? There is nothing to feed a workhorse with, and you suggest getting more? What did your grandmother feed her yard with, did she buy bread for pennies in the store?
  13. +3
    22 June 2025 09: 19
    Why did the Orthodox people follow the communists, although the Church called on them to be patient and loyal to the authorities?
    Because then it turned into the ideological department of the Central Committee of the CPSU of 1990. Good article. Respect to the author.
  14. -1
    22 June 2025 09: 20
    They say that history repeats itself. This means that a revolution will happen again soon.
    1. -2
      22 June 2025 10: 37
      Actually, Putin said that the country would not survive another revolution, and I think he is right. The revolution survived because the whole world was tired of the First World War, and no one wanted to start a new war, and the Bolsheviks had time to reassemble the country. Now, given the mistakes made by the West in the 1990s, we will not be allowed to build a new society.
      1. +1
        22 June 2025 12: 30
        Quote: Not the fighter
        Actually, Putin said that the country cannot withstand another revolution, and I think he is right.
        He said a lot of things. That there would be no mobilization, that the retirement age would not be raised, that the constitution would not be changed, he promised 25 million cool jobs, etc.
      2. -3
        23 June 2025 08: 23
        Yeah, they were so tired of the war that they started a civil war for another 4 years. No one needed Russia as a winner, not the "allies", not Germany, not revolutionaries of all stripes. Except maybe the Tsar and the people, but for everyone else, Russia's victory in the PVM meant the defeat of their plans, and they achieved their goals with oceans of blood and the collapse of a great country.
        1. -2
          25 June 2025 18: 29
          The largest battle of the Civil War was 20 times smaller than the million-strong fronts in the operations of the First World War.
          The Tsar deserted his post, and before that he wanted to make peace with Germany, first through Rasputin, who was killed by the British, and then personally cousin Nikki and cousin Willie agreed on a separate peace. And then the February Revolution.
          During the First World War, not only the Russian Empire collapsed, but also the German, Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empires.
          We see and know the face of the West well, and it is unlikely that the Entente allies would have given Russia more than themselves under the Treaty of Versailles.
          And the dream city of Tsargrad would of course have been slipped to Russia by the Allies under the Treaty of Versailles)) So that we would fight for it with the Young Turks and Ataturk. And the Allies would have saved the Turks and divided the Caspian Sea, which they did in 1918, in practice, by setting up their base where the USSR later installed ekranoplans.
    2. -4
      22 June 2025 13: 07
      Well, that means you'll put another couple of million, maybe even more, in the grave and throw the country into the abyss of robbery, poverty and destitution for another 20 years. Understandable.
      1. -2
        22 June 2025 14: 43
        Well, after 1991, the enemies of the USSR put more than 20 million of their fellow citizens into their graves ahead of time, which constituted a supermortality - and this is according to their own statistics, and they don't care about it. In this case, they have no benefit from trying hard to pretend to be "humanitarians", as in their lying anti-Sovietism.
        1. -2
          22 June 2025 15: 54
          Well then, why do dear revolutionaries pretend to be the highest humanists and philanthropists if, in order to achieve their goals, they are ready to put in the grave no less than the current authorities? Without a guarantee of success and improvement of people's lives, moreover?
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  15. BAI
    +5
    22 June 2025 09: 51


    History has preserved for us a large number of photographs from that time. Very often these “frozen” testimonies tell of the high level of poverty of the common people. The stamp of that time, placed on people’s faces, often exudes hopelessness and sadness, drying up their eyes and glances.

    What about photos? It is enough to look at artistic works. Levitan, for example.
    1. -3
      22 June 2025 10: 48
      Quote: BAI
      It is enough to look at the artistic ulassika.

      For example this
    2. +1
      22 June 2025 10: 57
      I'll take a hundred photos of exactly this beauty for you in a couple of days, a couple of hundred kilometers from Moscow. So what? What will you brand it as?
    3. -3
      22 June 2025 11: 00
      Quote: BAI
      . It is enough to look at the artistic ulassika

      let's have these Russian VILLAGES lo VOROV:
      1. 0
        22 June 2025 22: 01
        And do you have any desire to show photos of other villages, poor, black? You are one of those who, even if you s... in the eyes, are all God's dew."
        1. -4
          23 June 2025 09: 44
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Do you have any desire to show photos of other villages, poor people, blacks?

          here you go, this is the village after your so-called "management":, which destroyed 170 thousand Russian villages.
          1. 0
            25 June 2025 18: 18
            They moved to the cities. Have you heard of urbanization?
            And what about tractors and combines? If before the whole village plowed the field for days, now the combine and tractor did this work in half a day. And there was no point in settling in the villages.
        2. 0
          4 July 2025 19: 40
          You can find thousands of such villages from Soviet times.
  16. 0
    22 June 2025 10: 33
    Kulak farms had 5 or more working horses per household. Such farms among the settlers of Western Siberia accounted for 43,1%."

    There is a clear mistake here... The comma was placed in the wrong place, I would believe 4,31% somehow more.
    Next, regarding the export of grain.
    It would be a good idea to separate “saleable grain” and “forced sales.”
    In the first case, these are planned surpluses. The source is strong farms (kulaks, 5%) and large latifundia, mainly in Little Russia, with industrial grain production. The article indicates a 2% increase in productivity for production reasons, and this is what they are, the introduction of advanced technologies of that time.
    In the second case, "forced sales" to pay taxes, the bulk of the peasants. And I want to note that the price of grain can be different. Without getting off the couch, I will say that the peasant sold grain to a middleman (kulak??), and this is another link that takes its share, and the kulaks sold large volumes, bypassing intermediaries.
    Well, about the personnel.
    To avoid a catastrophe, it was necessary to change the principle of governing the country, calling to power those who enjoyed the trust of the people

    Where are you going to get them from, here and now? Revolution?? "What, did they bury the dashing cavalryman in papers!!!!??"
    There were already articles by Shpakovsky about how the new government ruled the village. doing everything up to and including insemination of cows. Yes, that's life and they learned to rule on the fly.
    1. -1
      25 June 2025 18: 14
      Many, pointing to the cheapness of grain in the Russian Empire, do not understand that cheap grain in the commodity sense is insignificant. A simple peasant does not earn much income from such a sale, because it is cheap. And not every kulak will buy a tractor from the sale of cheap grain. It is simpler and cheaper to hire farm laborers. But a collective farm will receive a tractor from the state.
  17. -2
    22 June 2025 10: 41
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Quote: fiberboard
    All this

    All this is suspiciously similar to what is happening in modern Russia. I wonder why?
    The same causes lead to the same effects.
    The Third World War is already underway.
  18. -1
    22 June 2025 10: 46
    Quote: Oleg Budylin
    “One cow and two sheep... I don’t understand why it was impossible to have 3 cows and 10 sheep, and keep bees?

    Did you REALLY read the article? Or did you just read the title and immediately jump to the comments? In vain. It explains why the number of livestock on farms has decreased. Try reading it again!
  19. -6
    22 June 2025 10: 47
    a funny propaganda article - starting from "the monarchist Denikin" to "the disastrous provision of livestock, a level which the mighty USSR could not catch up with for decades.

    and yes, before the THIEVES, the average Russian laborer ate a pound and a half of black bread, half a pound of white bread, a pound and a half of potatoes, a quarter of a pound of cereal, half a pound of beef, an eighth of lard, and an eighth of sugar per day. The energy value of such a ration was 3580 calories. The average inhabitant of the Empire ate 3370 calories worth of food per day. Since then, Russians have almost never received such a quantity of calories. up to 1980x.

    People didn't know THAT THIEVES would bring this:
    To the People's Commissariat of Health of the Ukrainian SSR, Comrade Kantorovich

    "I observe the situation in the Zvenigorod district and its neighbors directly as a doctor, and I judge the rest from the words of eyewitnesses. In short, in villages and small towns one continuous horrorThe poverty is incredible, there is constant mass hunger. Mass deaths from starvation. The birth rate has been reduced to unusually low levels. Cannibalism and necrophagy have become commonplace. . . Crime has increased to incredible levels. Hunger leads to crimes that were unheard of before. I am not even talking about the famous cutting of ears of corn. Everyone (not only the peasants) have become thieves due to malnutrition. Begging is unprecedented. . There are an awful lot of arrests; there are not enough prisons: in Zvenigorodka, a prison that was closed 8 years ago was recently opened."


    And they were warned ...

    Lost Russia in the photo:
    1. -1
      25 June 2025 18: 09
      Of course, of course. Even modern Russia has not yet caught up with the Russian Empire in terms of fish consumption. And what conclusion should we draw from this?
  20. 0
    22 June 2025 10: 52
    The author of Leninism ate too much as a child. The peasantry was poor, so the Tsar was overthrown by the Guchkovs/Milyukovs through a classic Russian palace coup, only instead of the guards, the front commanders.
    As comrade Brezhnev said much later: "don't look for logic."
    1. 0
      25 June 2025 18: 08
      Well, it must be said that in Denikin's memoirs it is clearly stated that if the Tsar does not agree to abdicate then "a snuffbox to the temple". They, the gentlemen, can do it. The plebeians cannot.
      Actually, this is already the beginning of the civil war. Kornilovshchina is a civil war in its purest form. And this is before the Bolsheviks.
      There is only one similar criterion for testing the strength of a country - a world war. The Russian Empire collapsed. The USSR did not.
  21. 0
    22 June 2025 11: 17
    There are no signs of revolution yet.
    The bourgeois government still provides the people with "bread and circuses", especially circuses.
    If you turn on the idiot box, everyone is singing and dancing everywhere. That's why I don't watch TV.
    1. -3
      22 June 2025 11: 27
      Ha, well, it is known that Lenin already at the end of 1916 said that the current revolutionaries would hardly live to see the revolution. And the enemies of the October Revolution themselves easily organized their coups on the territory of the USSR they captured.
  22. -8
    22 June 2025 11: 28
    As it turned out after 1917, the village had not lived so badly before the revolution. The February palace coup was organized and paid for by the British...
    1. -3
      22 June 2025 11: 39
      Well, yes, for you, the enemies of the USSR, the February Revolution in Russia was organized by the British, the October Socialist Revolution, which overthrew the power of the bourgeoisie, was organized by the Americans and Germans, the Civil War AGAINST the Bolsheviks was organized by the Bolsheviks themselves. It was not you who captured the USSR, but the communists.
      And the responsibility for everything that you did after you captured the USSR lies not with you, but with the Soviet communists.
      1. -2
        27 June 2025 17: 58
        That's right. They bent us, and killed those who disagreed.
    2. +5
      22 June 2025 13: 43
      As Leo Tolstoy wrote during a trip to several dozen villages in different districts at the very end of the 19th century:
      "In all these villages, although there is no mix with bread, as was the case in 1891, they do not give bread, although pure, in abundance. The majority do not have any additives - millet, cabbage, potatoes. The food consists of grass cabbage soup, whitened if there is a cow, and unwhitened if there is none - and only bread. In all these villages, the majority have sold and pawned everything that can be sold and pawned."
      "Almost everyone uses the bread with quinoa - with 1/3 and some with 1/2 of the quinoa - black bread, inky black, heavy and bitter; everyone eats this bread - children, pregnant women, nursing women, and the sick... The further into the Bogoroditsky district and closer to Efremovsky, the worse and worse the situation..." And here is how professor of medicine and doctor Emil Dillon, who lived in Russia from 1877 to 1914, described the life of the peasants: "The Russian peasant ... goes to bed at six or five o'clock in the evening in winter, because he cannot spend money to buy kerosene for the lamp. He has no meat, eggs, butter, milk, often no cabbage, he lives mainly on black bread and potatoes. Lives? He dies of hunger because of their insufficient quantity."
      1. -3
        23 June 2025 09: 47
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        "Privarka - millet, cabbage, potatoes, even the majority, there is none. The food consists of herbal cabbage soup, whitened if there is a cow, and unwhitened if there is none, - and only bread. In all these villages, the majority have sold and pawned everything that can be sold and pawned."
        “Almost everyone uses bread with quinoa, with 1/3 and some with 1/2 quinoa, it is black bread, inky black, heavy and bitter; everyone eats this bread, children, pregnant women, nursing women, and the sick.

        what an enviable picture for millions of Soviet peasants, deprived of even this in the 20,30,40s, XNUMXs, XNUMXs...
        1. +1
          25 June 2025 17: 58
          Do not tell tales.
          My grandmother, who lived through the famine of 1933, said the following: "The entire village and surrounding area survived on pearl barley."
        2. -1
          27 June 2025 18: 00
          There is no need to stretch the quote from the 1890s to 1913-1917. In 1916, the village was dying of excess grain, which there was nowhere to store.
          1. -2
            28 June 2025 10: 35
            Quote: also a doctor
            There is no need to stretch the quote from the 1890s to 1913-1917. In 1916, the village was dying of excess grain, which there was nowhere to store.

            I agree completely, address it to Odintsov
  23. -2
    22 June 2025 11: 33
    In worlds with evil-error and the materialization of evil in money, the ideal society is class and monarchical with the simultaneous presence of democracy of popular self-government (up to the Council for the election of the Tsar) and a republic (the best people by profession) among professionals in business.

    Well-intentioned smart guys of all sorts and sizes, not realizing the fact that life-being is given from above, "improve" it time after time. Revolution = mistake.

    At present, the best forms of life and existence on this planet are realized in the Northern European Kingdoms.

    Democracy, monarchy and republic can and must exist in the country SIMULTANEOUSLY! In the same way, there must be both capitalist and socialist forms SIMULTANEOUSLY in the country. This is GIVEN in the task of life and existence here.
  24. 0
    22 June 2025 11: 48
    All of the above fits perfectly into the modern Russian Federation. Only there are no Bolsheviks now, but there are a huge number of Islamists, waiting for the hour to take all the power into their own hands.
  25. +2
    22 June 2025 11: 58
    Quote: max702
    To understand the standard of living in the USSR and the Russian Empire, it is enough to read the memoirs of the well-known prominent Soviet figure N.S. Khrushchev, in which he says that, occupying a high government post, he lives worse in terms of living 20 years after the revolution than when he was a simple mechanic before the revolution. If a high party official in the USSR lived worse than a simple mechanic in the Russian Empire, then how did the rest of the residents of the USSR live in those years? And all these studies are basically stretching an owl onto a globe, especially in light of the mass edits and falsifications of documents from the period of the Russian Empire after the formation of the USSR. No wonder they loved to compare the Russian Empire of 1913 according to indicators as far back as the 80s of the USSR.
    Are all the tsar-wankers aware that Khrushchev's "memoirs" - the ones that are now being distributed - were written in 1988 by Konstantin Smirnov, an employee of the magazine "Ogonyok". The editorial staff of Ogonyok in those years was an amazing snake pit: another employee of the editorial staff - Valentin Yumashev - wrote Yeltsin's "memoirs" in those same years. And the editor-in-chief - Vitaly Korotich - needs no introduction.
  26. 0
    22 June 2025 12: 02
    Quote: Olgovich
    The average inhabitant of the Empire ate 3370 calories worth of food per day. Russians almost never received such a quantity of calories again until the 1980s.
    1. -4
      22 June 2025 12: 56
      from the OGPU report, 1933
      Urgansky r. On March 12 of this year, in the village of Petropavlovskaya, a child's liver and heart were found fried in a frying pan at K., who was expelled from the collective farm, and a child's burnt head was found in the oven.

      Krasnodar region. In the village of Staro-Karasunskaya, a poor individual farmer G. was arrested for eating the corpse of a child that she had dug up in a cemetery.

      Armavir district. In the village of Uspenskaya, on March 15, 1933, a wealthy F., his wife, and two sons, who had been expelled from the collective farm, died of exhaustion. His two surviving children ate the flesh of the corpses of their mother and two brothers for several days.

      Aleksandrovsky district. In a number of settlements, systematic cases of death from exhaustion are noted. Corpses are found on the streets and outskirts of villages. In the village of Sengileevskaya, 1 people died from exhaustion on March 1933, 400.

      etc. etc.
      In Russia and in the world in general - there was no such thing, as well as multi-million mortality in the middle of the 20th century - just remember this FACT
      1. -2
        22 June 2025 13: 01
        That was common, the usual publications of those years:
        27 (14) April 1910
        TOMSK, 13, IV. In Sudzhenskoy parish in migrant villages hunger. Several families died out.
        For three months now, the settlers have been eating a mixture of rowan berries and rotten wood with flour.
        TOMSK, 13, IV. Embezzlement has been discovered in the Anuchinsky and Imansky districts of the resettlers' warehouses. According to reports from the localities, something terrible is happening in the aforementioned districts. The resettlers are starving. There is no income.
        20 (07) July 1910 of the year
        TOMSK, 6, VII. Due to chronic hunger, typhus and scurvy are rampant among the settlers in 36 settlements of Yenisei district. The mortality rate is high. The settlers eat surrogates and drink swamp water.
        18 (05) September 1910 of the year
        KRASNOYARSK, 4,IX. In the whole Minusinsk district at present, due to the crop failure this year, there is famine. The settlers ate all their cattle.
        February 10 (January 28) Year 1911
        And stop lying. Only as a result of the "Holodomor" arranged by you, the enemies of the USSR, when you deliberately deprived the people of their means of subsistence in the 90s, not paying them wages and pensions for many months, for a year, the excess mortality amounted to more than 4 million people. And ALL of you have proven that you don't care about all these victims.
        Just like you don’t give a damn about all those who starved and died of hunger under the Romanovs.
      2. 0
        22 June 2025 18: 38
        "Now (1906-7) in starving areas fathers sell their daughters to livestock traders. The progress of the Russian famine is obvious." //V.G. Korolenko

        “In 1872, the first Samara famine broke out, hitting the very province that until then had been considered the richest granary of Russia. And after the famine of 1891, which covered a vast area of ​​29 provinces, the lower Volga region has been constantly suffering from hunger: during the 8th century, Samara province has been famine-stricken 9 times, Saratov province 1880. Over the past thirty years, the largest famines occurred in 1885 (Lower Volga region, part of the lakeside and Novorossiysk provinces) and in 1891 (Novorossiya and part of the non-chernozem provinces from Kaluga to Pskov); then, following the famine of 1892, there was the famine of 1897 in the central and southeastern provinces, the famines of 98 and 1901 in approximately the same area; in the 17th century, the famine of 1905 in 22 provinces of the center, south and east, the famine of 1906 (1907 provinces, including four non-chernozem provinces, Pskov, Novgorod, Vitebsk, Kostroma), which opened a whole series of famines: 1908, 1911, XNUMX and XNUMX (mostly eastern, central provinces, Novorossiya)"
        //New Encyclopedic Dictionary / Under the general editorship of academician K. K. Arsenyev. Vol. 14. St. Petersburg: F. A. Brockhaus and I. A. Efron, 1913.

        “About 40 percent of new recruits ate meat almost for the first time after entering military service.” //Menshikov M. O. Youth and the Army. October 13, 1909.

        So what about "The average person in the empire ate 3370 calories a day"? laughing
        1. -4
          23 June 2025 10: 22
          Quote: The Meaning of Life
          . The progress of the Russian famine is obvious." //V.G. Korolenko

          Here's Korolenko about the Soviet famine:
          An unprecedented famine is approaching Russia, perhaps such a famine as has not been seen since the time of Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, when human flesh was sold in the Moscow bazaars. Now this will not happen. Humanity has lived for several centuries not in vain The famine of 1891-1892 is a joke compared to the famine that has now engulfed all of Russia....

          How wrong he was - they ate people in the 20s, 30s and 40s
          Quote: The Meaning of Life
          In 1872, the first Samara famine broke out

          Quote: The Meaning of Life
          "About 40 percent of recruits ate meat almost for the first time after entering military service." //Menshikov M. O. Youth and the Army. October 13, 1909

          shove this fake, yes: the article by M.O. Menshikov was written on October 13 1909 year and refers to the "Bulletin of the Russian Cavalry" single double issue No. 10-11, dated ... Monday, June 27 1911 years!
          Quote: The Meaning of Life
          So what about "The average person in the empire ate 3370 calories a day"?

          yes like this:
          OGPU, 1933
          St. Dolzhanskaya. On February 22, the food aid commission, having conducted an examination, established that citizen Gerasimenko had eaten the corpse of her dead sister.
          In the same village it was established that citizen Doroshenko, left with young sisters and brothers after the death of his father and mother, ate the meat of his brothers and sisters who had died of hunger.

          Sts. Novo-Shcherbinovskaya. In the 3rd brigade of the collective farm, the wife of kulak Eliseenko hacked to death and ate her 3-year-old child. The Eliseenko family consists of 8 people who eat various surrogates (rape, silage, etc.) and the meat of cats and dogs. Up to 30 corpses were found in the cemetery, thrown out overnight, some of the corpses were gnawed by dogs. The corpse of the collective farmer Reznik was cut in half, without legs, and several coffins were found there, from which the corpses had disappeared. In the 3rd brigade, the wife of the convicted Sergienko drags the corpses of children from the cemetery and eats them. A search of the apartment and interrogation of Sergienko's children established that several corpses were taken from the cemetery for food. The corpse of a girl with her legs cut off was found in the apartment, and boiled meat was found.


          Etc.


          In Russia, there was NOT such a thing, they remembered? namely, eating people (according to your king) - the most terrible degree of hunger

          So your liars were a long way from the Russian Empire...
          1. 0
            23 June 2025 11: 54
            shove this fake, yes: the article by M.O. Menshikov was written on October 13, 1909 and refers to the "Bulletin of the Russian Cavalry" single double issue No. 10-11, dated ... Monday, June 27, 1911!

            When you copy evidence of their stupidity from von_hoffmann or other narrow-minded "exposers of the Soviet Union", if you are not able to think for yourself, then at least get to the comments under their articles. People usually explain their nonsense to them.
            For the information of the whistleblower, the magazine was published for several years. The article Menshikov cites is in issue No. 11 of June 15, 1909.

            So, issue 11, double or not, was every year from 1906 to 1914. The magazine was published every two weeks - 24 issues per year. Obviously, since Menshikov did not specify the year, it was the same 1909 (the year the article was written). Issue 11 was published in June, and in October - Menshikov's article. Looking for an article only in those two years that were digitized is like looking for lost keys under a street lamp because it is lighter there. So you copy these false accusations of lies from each other. At least one of them should try to understand what he is copying.


            P.S.
            Quote: Olgovich
            and yes, before the VORs, the average Russian laborer ate a pound and a half of black bread, half a pound of white bread, a pound and a half of potatoes, a quarter of a pound of cereal, half a pound of beef, an eighth of lard and an eighth of sugar per day. The energy value of such a ration was 3580 calories. The average resident of the Empire ate 3370 calories worth of food per day. Since then, Russian people almost never received such an amount of calories until the 1980s.

            Another example of a small mind - to pass off an unbalanced diet with 70% refined carbohydrates, without vitamins and microelements, as something correct. Doesn't it bother you that in Western Europe, in the early 60s of the last century, for example, no one consumed such a quantity of calories. Apparently, they were swollen from hunger lol
          2. +1
            23 June 2025 16: 42
            Quote: Olgovich
            Quote: The Meaning of Life
            So what about "The average person in the empire ate 3370 calories a day"?
            yes like this:
            OGPU, 1933
            Well, maybe they ate that much in Soviet times. But you were talking about the Russian Empire. Now you'll stick your words in...?

            here's Korolenko about the Soviet famine
            Considering that he wrote this in 1921, the famine was not Soviet, but a consequence of the civil war unleashed by the Whites.

            In Russia, there was NOT such a thing, they remembered? namely, eating people
            Yes, yes, of course:
            1. -2
              27 June 2025 14: 15
              Tunguses in TAIGA were remembered, shame....

              People in the Breadbaskets stole millions of grain - when will you understand?
              1. -1
                27 June 2025 15: 03
                When will you understand?

                When will you understand that the mortality rate in the hungriest year in the USSR is comparable to the mortality rate in any year in the empire in the 20th century within the borders of the USSR?
  27. 0
    22 June 2025 12: 28
    Why the 1917 Revolution Was Inevitable? Living on the Edge: Poverty in Tsarist Russia

    A good article. With good economic statistics and analysis, but the title of the article contradicts the content and analysis. The inevitability of revolution, according to the title of the article, is a consequence of poverty and destitution in Russia. And this does not follow from the analysis provided. Moreover, the author's comparison with the poverty of the population of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War and the absence of revolutions in the USSR indicate the opposite: the poverty of the population in itself is not a source of revolution. Quote:
    During the Great Patriotic War, the population of the rear of the USSR also lived in hunger on ration cards, but the whole country supported I.V. Stalin?

    And then the author directly points out that during the Great Patriotic War
    ...there was a binding idea, but in 1917 there wasn’t.

    And further, continues in 1917.
    ... the idea of ​​socialism corresponded to Orthodox notions of justice, which did not exist in the old society.

    Here is an absolutely correct thesis about the idea as the cause of revolution. As Hegel said: the idea rules the world. But this thesis is absolutely not applicable to Russia at the beginning of the 20th century, where among the main population of Russia, both Orthodox and other confessions, the very concept of the idea was completely unclear due to the low level of literacy. But in the thesis about the existence of the idea, used by the author, there is also a rational grain. But in order to discern it, to see it, it is necessary to distract ourselves from economic analysis and consider the social structure of Russia taking into account religion.
    And here is where the Achilles' spot is hidden, which ruined Russia in 1917, destroyed the USSR in the late 90s and which the liberal traitors inside the country, our sworn "friends" outside Russia are now trying to undermine and destroy Russia. And the main question: what is this spot, what is this point in Russia, by pressing on which one can destroy Russia itself!?
    The answer is extremely simple: the idea of ​​the sacredness of power. In 1917, liberals and intelligence services of England and Germany managed to destroy the idea of ​​the sacredness of the tsarist power in Russia, and as soon as this happened, the empire collapsed. In the late 80s - early 90s, liberals ... there in the USSR, with the support of Western intelligence services, managed to destroy the idea of ​​the sacredness of the power of the Communist Party, and so the USSR collapsed. Of course, when destroying the USSR, the enemies relied on the mistakes and miscalculations of the government itself. But this in no way cancels the thesis that the destruction of power occurs due to the destruction of the idea of ​​the existing government. The same is happening now. But this is a special issue and requires careful consideration. But the main thing is that by destroying the idea of ​​power, you can put an end to the state itself.
    I foresee that experts will immediately pounce on me with the assertion that there is no idea in Russia and therefore there is nothing to destroy. I will answer right away: the idea exists, it lives, it exists in the form of an idea in itself and has not yet taken the form, according to Hegel, of an idea for itself, when this idea would become understandable to everyone and everyone living in Russia. And, God grant, to see how the idea of ​​Russia will finally become the idea of ​​everyone and everyone in Russia.
    1. -3
      22 June 2025 13: 17
      The author of the article does not know, and many forget, that the autocracy actually ended not in 1917, but in 1918, with the dissolution of the Educational Assembly. Few people realize that after the abdication of Nicholas II, the country held a unique nationwide election campaign and assembled the Educational Assembly, without which the tsar's brother did not want to board these galleys. And then came the eternal and very relevant Russian "we were deceived" and everything finally descended into the chaos of the civil war, which was very necessary for all participants in WWI. And it was not at all by chance that they quickly folded up the remaining get-together and rushed to divide the former Russian Empire.
      1. -3
        22 June 2025 14: 46
        What nonsense? Why on earth is the autocracy the Provisional Government and the Soviets after the February Revolution? And the US is a temporary body, not a government.
        The expression "keep quiet and you'll be considered smart" is very suitable for the enemies of the USSR.
        1. 0
          23 June 2025 09: 20
          By the way, it was temporary until the decision of the Constituent Assembly. And this same Constituent Assembly was supposed to decide what kind of system there would be in Russia. Many consoled themselves with the hope of the return of the father tsar and this was not an impossible option in principle. This is precisely the story of illusions and desacralization. It was the Constituent Assembly with delegates from the entire country that finally destroyed the monarchy, and not the Bolsheviks.
          1. 0
            25 June 2025 17: 53
            Many consoled themselves with the hope of the return of the Tsar-father, and this was not, in principle, an impossible option.

            But who fought for the Tsar during the Civil War? Who was a monarchist? Denikin?! No. Kolchak?! Well, he actually said that the Bolsheviks were right to disperse the Constituent Assembly. So who? The merchants? Or the church that betrayed the Tsar and lost its tithes under the Bolsheviks?
            Another thing is that the white tsarist officers were associated in the eyes of the peasants with the tsar and noble land ownership, which the peasants did not want at all.
            In general, it is very useful to read the report of the Provisional Government on the state of affairs in the country at the beginning of October 1917. This was before the October Revolution.
            This is a report by Prokopovich S.N. - Minister of Trade, Industry, and Food of the Provisional Government (1917). According to this report, the situation in the country is a catastrophe... The report is easily found on the Internet.
  28. -1
    22 June 2025 12: 30
    The enemies of the USSR have some kind of paranoia in relation to the USSR - no matter what we are talking about - the pre-revolutionary period, or their anti-Soviet period, in which they all boast about how “things are better for them now than in the USSR”, they always “shift the blame” onto the USSR.
  29. +2
    22 June 2025 12: 39
    Quote from Eugene Zaboy
    My aunt, an active participant in the Bolshevik movement,

    Auntie made a revolution? How old are you now?
  30. -1
    22 June 2025 13: 23
    I didn't live under Emperor Nicholas II, so I can't testify about life in the village in that era. But my childhood was spent under the First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, under the Prime Minister of the USSR, under the Hero of the USSR,
    under the Lenin Peace Prize Laureate, under the Knight of almost ten Orders of Lenin and under several times Hero of Socialist Labor, Khrushchev. That's what I remember... By the way, about socialist labor, of which Khrushchev was a hero three times, on the collective farm under Hero Khrushchev.
    A workday that was not provided with anything, except for a mark in the collective farm office journal and in the notebook of a tipsy foreman, and also taxes from this workday, that was the economic "miracle" of "Emperor" Khrushchev and the collapse that the village found itself in during the Soviet Khrushchev era, and the peasants from the collective farms tried to escape to the cities as best they could. Moreover, the workday depended on the "kindness of the foreman". Under no Emperor Nicholas, there was not even a trace of such a thing. A peasant prepared hay for his cow for the winter, and under Khrushchev, inspectors came to measure how much hay the collective farmer had for the winter. If the norm was too high, which was supposed to be only for one cow and only according to the collective farm ration, then the hay was confiscated. The collective farmer did not want his cow to look half-dead in the spring like the collective farm cows driven out of the collective farm in early April because the collective farm ran out of hay, that's why the villager tried to prepare hay with a small reserve, and the main thing for the collective farm was the eyewash in the socialist competitions of the socialist there, the Hero of which was Khrushchev three times and the hay was brazenly taken away from the villager. I write "village" because this concerned everyone living in the village at that time. And collective farmers and rural teachers, paramedics, librarians, etc.
    Moreover, under Khrushchev, no one gave the people in the village meadows or fields so that they could prepare hay for their cattle. People mowed the banks of canals and ditches, the banks of ravines and forest edges, the edges of the bolt, and they did all this after working in the collective farm field for labor days for which they received pennies or ten kilograms of grain, and then they took away their hay so that by spring their only breadwinner, the cow, would die. And when did this happen under Emperor Nicholas II? I am not defending Nicholas, he was a spineless ruler, but what the Ukrainian communist Khrushchev did to the country was simply a mockery of the village. Yes, under Brezhnev, everything quickly changed in the village and for the better. I wonder where the USSR would be today if after Stalin’s death it was not Khrushchev who came to power, but Stalin No. 2, then Stalin No. 3, then Stalin No. 4...
  31. +5
    22 June 2025 13: 28
    Quote from Eugene Zaboy
    The Russian Empire was the third largest economy on the planet at the time of the 1917 revolution. Only idiots could destroy all this.


    Fairy tales. The Russian Empire was not a "third economy".
    And, let me remind you, it was not the Bolsheviks who destroyed the empire, but Nicholas’s inner circle, the highest aristocrats, the big bourgeoisie and the generals.

    If everything was so good, why didn't anyone stand up for the empire? Even those who lived quite well in this empire?
    Why, when the Constituent Assembly was assembled, among the many political parties represented in it, was there not a single monarchist party, and no one even raised the question of restoring the autocracy?
    Why did Nikolai himself sign the abdication so easily and not even try to replay the situation? After all, he was the Supreme Commander in a country at war?
    Why were there no people among his closest relatives willing to try on the crown? It turns out that even the Romanovs themselves understood that autocracy had no prospects?

    Think about these questions yourself at your leisure... it will be useful.
  32. +2
    22 June 2025 13: 31
    Quote from Eugene Zaboy


    What can you say? Where did the kulaks come from in Tsarist Russia? The "kulaks" as a class were created by Lenin and Stalin. Created, and then destroyed. A propaganda article in the spirit of Lenin's "Pravda" from a hundred years ago. For some reason, none of the old men criticize the Russian Empire, only Stalin and Lenin. Apparently they got it from the Bolsheviks, not the Tsar.


    1. Stolypin's reforms. True, they created not only kulaks, but also an agricultural proletariat, which provided mass support for the Bolsheviks.
    2. The Russian Empire ceased to exist more than a century ago. We have few old-timers who remember those times, so there is no one to criticize.
  33. -1
    22 June 2025 16: 53
    No, income has nothing to do with it; after all, the USSR only caught up with Russia in terms of calorie consumption per capita in the 60s.
    The revolution happened because there were few security forces, the secret police is a thousand people for a huge country, there were not enough policemen. In the same USSR during collectivization about 100 thousand of all kinds of security officers participated in suppressing mass uprisings (let me remind you that there were about 1000 people in the entire secret police).
    1. -1
      22 June 2025 18: 50
      Quote: RondelR
      No, income has nothing to do with it; after all, the USSR only caught up with Russia in terms of calorie consumption per capita in the 60s.
      The revolution happened because there were few security forces, the secret police is a thousand people for a huge country, there were not enough policemen. In the same USSR during collectivization about 100 thousand of all kinds of security officers participated in suppressing mass uprisings (let me remind you that there were about 1000 people in the entire secret police).
      What kind of nonsense don't you read sometimes?
      The revolution happened when the 150-strong Petrograd garrison, which the Tsar ordered to suppress the demonstrations, went over to the side of the people!
      1. -3
        22 June 2025 18: 53
        Well, well, you all sent a demotivator, so the truth is on your side) Is that your logic?
        1. 0
          22 June 2025 19: 16
          Quote: RondelR
          Well, well, you all sent a demotivator, so the truth is on your side) Is that your logic?
          The truth is always the same. There were more than enough security forces. The revolution happened when even they refused to obey the Tsar, who was so annoying to everyone.
          1. -2
            22 June 2025 19: 36
            There were about 1913 people per security officer in 1315, while in the USSR in 1940 there were about 320 people. These calculations do not include the army.
            If we take Britain in 1913, there were 650 people per security officer. In France in the same year, 300 people.
            In Russia, underground printing houses could easily operate for years. Which is unimaginable in the USSR in the 30s. In WWI, there simply weren't enough people to catch terrorists.
            It is clear that this is not the only reason for the revolution, but it is the most important one.
            1. -1
              22 June 2025 19: 43
              Provide the source of these figures!
              By the way, a very important remark - "excluding the army". It was not for nothing that I posted the demotivator. In the Russian Empire, the functions of suppressing its own citizens were most often performed by the army. Or the Cossacks. Even simple strikes with purely economic demands were suppressed by troops (which resulted, for example, in the Lena Massacres).
  34. -1
    22 June 2025 18: 29
    Very interesting and informative analysis. I learned a lot. Also interesting are the comments, especially those concerning the current situation in Russia. It is surprising that you focus on things that are completely unimportant from a Western point of view, while ignoring the main problems, because of which, no matter how hard you try, you will still remain at the same level economically, while the West will continue to move further ahead.
  35. -1
    22 June 2025 21: 37
    The standard of living in the Central Rada was low. The quality was low too. Education, health care, access to cultural life. The Tsar-father did nothing to improve this, and what happened happened. However, in the USSR, the standard of living more or less improved only at the very end of the 30s - 1940. Then again the ass, and it only got better in the second half of the 60s, twenty years of normal life and then again - the collapse of the country, impoverishment. What is in the present? We live well, but the West is actively working against us. We cannot allow ourselves to be swung into the abyss again. If we hold out now, it will be easier later. That is why I am for ending the war. There are results, but dragging it out is definitely not a solution.
  36. -2
    22 June 2025 22: 00
    There is a good work by Ivnitsky. The repressive policy of the Soviet government and there are NKVD reports on the suppression of peasant unrest in the Soviet republics. This is from the point of view of how people lived before and after the revolution, how they reacted to everything that they tried to "give" them.
    1. +1
      23 June 2025 10: 30
      There were unrests, no one argues. And they were suppressed. But did they feed the peasants gingerbread for such unrests in Tsarist Russia?
  37. +1
    22 June 2025 22: 34
    Quote: Olgovich
    from the OGPU report, 1933


    You better tell me whose Crimea is and when the royal family will visit it.

    Or are cries about "Indivisible" good only when they are paid for in foreign currency, in exchange for guarantees of supplies of bread and cannon fodder.
  38. +1
    23 June 2025 06: 49
    Quote from Eugene Zaboy
    The kulaks' incomes were much higher, but research is also difficult to find


    What can you say? Where did the kulaks come from in Tsarist Russia? The "kulaks" as a class were created by Lenin and Stalin. Created, and then destroyed. A propaganda article in the spirit of Lenin's "Pravda" from a hundred years ago. For some reason, none of the old men criticize the Russian Empire, only Stalin and Lenin. Apparently, they got it from the Bolsheviks, not from the Tsar. The purpose of this article is to repeat the revolution, and not to understand the problems of Tsarist Russia and the reasons for the revolution. However, the Bolsheviks and communists always lied to the people, which is how they destroyed the USSR.


    Yes, yes, Lenin and Stalin created the kulaks))))) I haven’t laughed like that for a long time.
    This is what citizen Stolypin writes to us:

    The extent to which the peasant needs the land and loves it is demonstrated by the disproportionately high rental prices at which land is leased to him in some districts. In a good year, the harvest barely justifies these prices; in a bad or even average year, the peasant gives away his labor for nothing. This creates not only unification, but also hatred of one class for another, embitterment with the existing order, on the basis of which propaganda easily takes root and agrarian unrest arises, infecting neighboring, prosperous areas with incredible speed. The current year has also demonstrated this. The thirst for land and agrarian unrest in themselves point to the measures that can lead the peasant population out of its present abnormal situation. The natural counterweight to the communal principle is individual property. It also serves as a guarantee of order, since the small owner is the cell on which stable order in the state rests. At present, the stronger peasant usually turns into a kulak, an exploiter of his fellow community members, or, in a figurative expression, a bloodsucker. This is almost the only way out of poverty and ignorance for the peasant, a visible, according to rural views, peasant career. If we could provide another outlet for the energy, the initiative of the best forces of the village, if we could give the hard-working farmer the opportunity to receive at first temporarily, as a trial, and then assign to him a separate plot of land, cut out from state lands, or from the land fund of the Peasant Bank, and at the same time ensure the availability of water and other essential conditions for cultural land use, then along with the community, where it is vital, there would appear an independent, prosperous villager, a stable representative of the land. Such a type has already emerged in the western provinces, and it is especially desirable now, when Your Imperial Majesty has become pleased to listen to the voice of the land through the State Duma."

    P.A. Stolypin. The most humble report of the Saratov governor for 1904


    Where did Stolypin get his fists from? Ilyich must have slipped the note in))))
    1. 0
      8 September 2025 11: 51
      The difference with the German model was that 99% of the peasants were in an extremely vulnerable economic position and any more or less successful local owner very quickly made them all dependent. Stolypin wonders - where did the kulaks come from? Here is the answer - it is a direct consequence of the state of farms in the villages plus the shortage of land, which only exacerbated the problems. For comparison, the average peasant in the same Germany, one of the poorest countries in Western Europe, could feed himself and was educated, which is why his chances of becoming dependent on a "bloodsucker" were much lower, but they still existed. Let me remind you that one of Hitler's slogans was - reprisals against "bloodsucker", mainly Jews.
  39. 0
    23 June 2025 08: 27
    Quote: RondelR
    The revolution happened because there were few security forces, the secret police is a thousand people for a huge country, there were not enough police.


    If there had been 100 times more police officers, would there have been at least ten of them who could have arrested those gentlemen who forced Nicholas to sign the act of abdication?
    And why, literally a few days later, did these same bullies and satraps put on red ribbons themselves? Everyone without exception turned out to be for "revolutionary changes" and no one even raised a voice for preserving the autocracy. Even the semblance of a "State Emergency Committee" was not visible then, in 1917, and did not happen.
    And later... not one of the leaders of the "white movement" set the goal of restoring tsarism. Some were for a dictatorship (Kornilov, Kolchak), some for a parliamentary republic (Denikin)... but there were no people willing to become "Russian Bourbons". Which is quite significant.
    1. +1
      8 September 2025 11: 58
      Quote: Illanatol
      If there had been 100 times more police officers, would there have been at least ten of them who could have arrested those gentlemen who forced Nicholas to sign the act of abdication?

      In fact, the arrest of the Tsar was organized by people who had actual immunity from the police and who themselves were security forces - the highest officers of the army and the highest nobles. Therefore, the number of security forces did not affect what was happening at all.
  40. -3
    23 June 2025 09: 58
    Having said A, let's also say B - in all revolutionary situations, no one will lift a finger until certain forces allocate significant funds to the organizers of this event.
  41. +1
    23 June 2025 10: 30
    Absolutely right! It's just a pity that our moon-faced one doesn't want to change anything, let alone even notice it.
  42. +1
    23 June 2025 11: 50
    Why the 1917 Revolution Was Inevitable? Living on the Edge: Poverty in Tsarist Russia

    The revolution was not inevitable because of poverty. Poverty was the same before the war. When Russia won, poverty did not lead to revolution. Military and economic weakness and Russia's defeats in the Russo-Japanese and First World Wars led to revolution.
  43. -2
    23 June 2025 12: 02
    Quote: V.
    And our people have plenty of brains.

    Our people no longer have enough brains - there are two reasons for this:
    -destruction of the system of scientific and technical education;
    - a catastrophic reduction in the consumption of animal protein and a whole range of essential microelements contained in milk, beef, and sea fish.
  44. 0
    23 June 2025 16: 32
    The striking difference between Odintsov's articles on the history of Russia and the Soviet Union and Samsonov's "The Newest History of Russia for Idiots" is the presentation of confirmed historical facts and the statistics provided. My respect to the author.
  45. 0
    23 June 2025 22: 11
    The poverty of at least half the population is only one of the reasons for the Revolution.
    In general, the tsarist regime under Nicholas II was rotten to the core in every respect.
    Science, public education and culture, technology and industry, military construction - everything was in the backseat. In general, Russia could not step over from the 19th to the 20th crown, or even bring to a logical conclusion the land reform that began with the abolition of serfdom back in 1861.
    The defeat in the Crimean War, let him say so "on points", the shameful defeat in the Russo-Japanese War. In between, the not very successful Russo-Turkish War with a weak enemy. The disastrous start of the First World War with the shameful loss of two corps in East Prussia.
    Hence, there was a sufficient number of opponents of tsarism in all strata of the population, including the nobility, the bourgeoisie, the generals, the petty bourgeoisie and the raznochintsy, not to mention the working class. The peasantry, perhaps, can be left out of the equation as an inert-conservative stratum, excluding the soldier masses in 1915-1917.
    Well, the weak-willed and talentless personality of Nicholas II is the final touch to the deathbed portrait of tsarism.
    1. 0
      8 September 2025 12: 05
      Quote: olbop
      Well, the weak-willed and talentless personality of Nicholas II is the final touch to the deathbed portrait of tsarism.

      This is where you are wrong. The Tsar had talents and will, and he was healthy as an ox, and educated, but he had no desire to deal with state affairs. He was only interested in his own affairs and those of the court.
      If you look at the problems of his reign, almost all of them stem from the fact that things were left to chance or given over to crooks.
  46. -1
    24 June 2025 00: 42
    again some kind of falsification of facts, my great-grandmother had 13 children in tsarist Russia
    an ordinary peasant family! not a wealthy one
    but under the Bolsheviks, the grandfather, that same child from this family, tried after the war
    according to some decree to give away the cow, but the grandmother having three children from him
    She said if you, you scoundrel, take the cow I will divorce you and send the children to an orphanage
    in fact, no one will tell you except your grandfathers who died long ago
    how they lived, the revolution turned upside down, as did the civil war, as did the second world war
    everything is still classified
    1. 0
      24 June 2025 10: 13
      again some kind of falsification of facts, my great-grandmother had 13 children in tsarist Russia
      an ordinary peasant family! not a wealthy one

      And how does the fact that your great-grandmother had 13 children show that what was written is a fabrication?
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      8 September 2025 12: 13
      Quote: Gregory Charnota
      My great-grandmother had 13 children in Tsarist Russia
      an ordinary peasant family! not a wealthy one

      How many of these children lived to at least 18 years of age?
      According to the statistics of the Russian Empire, half of the peasant children died of disease and hunger by the age of 20, and a considerable number did not live to be 30 due to the hardships of life. A good 40 out of 1 survived past 5.
      Well, that's some kind of prosperity. Look at the cemeteries and see the age of people buried in the period 1900-1914. There are only people under 25 there. There are really only a few buried who are older.
      And the reasons are almost always illness, weakness, hunger. Often entire families died within 3-4 years.
      At one time I was truly shocked when I walked among the old graves and read who was buried.
      I also advise you to take a walk - you will lose a lot of your crispy bakery illusions.
      What shocked me most was 1 family of a naval officer - 7 people died from various diseases in 3 years. The whole family. All were under 30 years old.
      1. 0
        8 September 2025 23: 30
        13 are survivors who fought in the Great Patriotic War
        How would you know that? I'm writing in the first person, this is my family.
  47. +1
    25 June 2025 09: 30
    A profound study, especially considering that there were serious problems with statistics in Tsarist Russia.
    More than half of the country worked, one might say, without control and accounting in the current sense. And peasants, and merchants, and owners of factories and plants, of course, had an idea of ​​"their business", but with reporting, everything was rarely as it should be.
    And even an analysis based on indirect signs is extremely difficult to conduct, and therefore the author deserves great RESPECT.
  48. -3
    26 June 2025 18: 13
    In the 20s, poverty was much greater, but there was no revolution. Why? Because the funding channels were blocked.
    1. -5
      27 June 2025 14: 51
      In the 20s, but also in the 30s, 40s and 50s, the majority of the population of the USSR, especially in the countryside, lived in poverty for almost 40 years, receiving payment for slave labor "for sticks" not in money, but in the remains of the harvest left after the predatory food tax.
      In the 60s, the USSR raised the average standard of living to the level of POVERTY, but it couldn’t go higher, and that’s where the Soviet system died...
  49. +1
    26 June 2025 19: 59
    About 80% of the population lived in relative poverty


    Isn't it exactly the same now, if all loans and mortgages are collected, 80% of the population will be on the brink of poverty and destitution...
  50. +3
    27 June 2025 10: 54
    Now the bun crunchers will come running and start screaming that afffftttoooorr "everything is lying", and the contemporary of those years is also "ffffs ...
  51. 0
    30 June 2025 17: 35
    The science is good, there is something to think about for the oligarchy class under the capitalist system in the Russian Federation
  52. +1
    30 June 2025 21: 28
    As for the deserted villages in today's Russia, this is the result of capitalism, the free market, it is "unprofitable" for private initiative to build anything there. Only the state can do this. Build a profitable business, for example, state farms. In addition, there are large distances in Russia, the problem is that such a country is more difficult to govern.

    In Poland such estates appeared in the 90s, but today they do not look so bad, although there are still many empty houses, many people left after the market opened for workers in the EU. Others left or commute to work (shorter distances). In many cities foreign companies were established, as a driver I noticed that most of the companies in these industrial zones are foreign, Polish at best 1/10. These are labor camps, even hundreds of opinions on the Internet testify to this, and I myself have heard such opinions when someone was honest. Many things have been improved with EU subsidies, but nothing is given for free, the EU does not give anything for free. Some people from these villages and towns simply poisoned themselves with alcohol, the rest left. So the Poles today think they did the right thing and are proud of it, but I am not attracted to it.
  53. +1
    13 July 2025 07: 44
    "The West skillfully sucked all the juices out of the state, as it does now, but under the conditions of the capitalist system, as it does now, the government could not do anything against it (and cannot now). For this reason, it is impossible to build a sustainable model of capitalism in Russia." - Seriously? The government could not? Did it even have such goals, or at least thoughts? The government then, as now, is quite organically intertwined with foreign internal and external financial circles and works in their interests. And what is meant by a "sustainable capitalist model"? That the capitalist government steadily milks the country's population and the Forbes list is constantly getting richer with the same constant impoverishment of the population? Well, all this exists, both in Russia and in the "collective West". For the working population, domestic capitalism is the same enemy as foreign capitalism!!!! And the working man Vasya doesn't give a damn at all whether Potanin and Deripaska, or some Kolomoisky and Musk, manage his labor.
  54. +1
    8 September 2025 11: 47
    As the most prominent economist of that time, S. F. Sharapov, the author of the emission theory, whose recommendations formed the basis of the financial system of the USSR, wrote in a report to Emperor Nicholas II: “Russia is starving, impoverished, degenerating, and the government is powerless to prevent this or somehow alleviate the suffering of the people under the current monetary system.”

    As a result of Stolypin's reforms and their mistakes, they began to introduce elements of collective farming - credit, mutual aid funds, maintenance of zemstvo doctors and agronomists, providing peasants with at least a minimum set of means of production, building schools. These measures began to bear small but positive fruits. And they could have been expanded naturally, spending money not on a fleet of 8 very expensive battleships, but investing in the country's economy. If the tsarist government had been at least a little more adequate after 1905, then in the 9 years before the war, with the help of a systemic policy in the Russian Empire, it would have been possible to seriously improve the situation of the population and the level of both production and income. The problem was that no one even scratched themselves to do anything and the situation continued to escalate. Before the war, it had already become the norm for 2000 riots a year to occur in the country. And then the tsar says - it's time, guys, to fight for some straits, and while you are dying in the war, your land will be divided and taken away. According to aggregate data, 19 million people were called up for war, i.e. a very significant part of the working population. And society went into disarray - it became so unstable that then 3 coups followed within a year (although many believe that it was one) - the February revolution (in fact, the highest nobility and the richest capitalists took power), then the October revolution - the power of the revolutionary committee, and then in the summer of 18, after an unsuccessful attempt to usurp power by the Socialist Revolutionaries, power over the people's councils passed completely to the communists.
  55. -1
    15 September 2025 11: 02
    Conclusion: Russia's troubles come from fools in power. As soon as the percentage of blockheads at the helm of the state exceeds 70, a riot immediately begins.