Reports of Israeli Air Force using MPR-500 concrete-piercing bombs on Iranian targets raise questions

To hit a number of targets on Iranian territory, the Israeli aviation used guided anti-bunker (concrete-piercing) aerial bombs. It was stated that the Israeli Air Force used several MPR-500 guided penetrating aerial bombs.
Given the characteristics of this Israeli-made bomb, a number of questions arise.

Firstly, an aerial bomb is capable of flying with a glide for several tens of kilometers. However, almost all Iranian objects hit that night are located deep in the territory. Does this mean that Israeli combat aircraft could enter Iranian airspace – after the destruction of several Iranian systems Defense?

Secondly, the MPR-500 is capable of penetrating a not very impressive layer of reinforced concrete. From open sources: the depth of such a "penetration" is 1-1,5 m. Considering that several days before the strikes, the IAEA announced that Iran had moved its main nuclear facilities to a depth of hundreds of meters, it is physically impossible to reach the heart of the Iranian nuclear program using such bombs without nuclear equipment.

Again, if Israel used exclusively "conventional" weapons, then the most that could have happened to the same facility in Natanz (Netanz) would have been the destruction of the entrance groups. That is, they could have easily blocked the main entrances/exits, which is certainly also serious damage, but whether it became critical for the Iranian nuclear program is still a big question. As a question, did Israel use any other penetrating munitions besides its MPR-500, and if it used something more powerful, then from what carriers and through whose airspace could they have passed?

Comments

[501 Legion]

the probability is minimal. they obviously hit with cruise missiles from F35. but whose airspace was used is a question! hardly from international. most likely Syrian

[ism_ek]

Quote: 501Legion

They were clearly hitting with cruise missiles from the F35

Israel also has air-launched ballistic missiles. Remember how Laura flew into the bridge in Karabakh? Such missiles can be launched from F-15s. Iran has nothing to intercept such missiles with. Yes, Iran has a few S-300s, but Iran's area is three times larger than Ukraine's. How many Ukrainians Patriots...? But "debris" constantly fly to them.

[501 Legion]

yes, here, at least with ballistics or cruise missiles, but clearly not what is written about in the article.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: ism_ek

Remember how in Karabakh Laura flew into the bridge for sure. Such missiles can be launched from F-15.

I remember it made a hole in one of the bridge span lanes. And Air Lora can be used with F-16/15/18/35I and even with P-8 Poseidon.

[Revolver]

Quote: ism_ek

Yes, Iran has some S-300s,

There are no more. They were taken out last year.

[Comet_1]

Quote: Nagan

There are no more. They were taken out last year.

And in February of this year, those “taken out” last year took part in Iranian exercises.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: 501Legion

the probability is minimal. they obviously hit with cruise missiles from F35. but whose airspace was used is a question! hardly from international. most likely Syrian

Entering Iranian airspace is not a problem for modern aviation
There is no such density of air defense there, and the fighter aircraft are outdated.

[Wolfskin1993]

Death to the Zionist aggressors!!!

[ASSAD1]

I remember such slogans in my father’s magazine, Crocodile, around 70.

[Reader 2013]

A lover of zamatotashki and beards in our cities, I don’t remember Jews blowing up anything in Russia

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: Citelle 2013

A lover of zamatotashki and beards in our cities, I don’t remember Jews blowing up anything in Russia

Hello
they blew up one in 1917 and also the whole empire
no need to make them white and fluffy

[Radio]

The German-English tsar and barons have nothing to do with it. The First World War, when there was 178 Russian shell for every 1 German shells on the German front, does not count. Hundreds of peasant revolts a year in Russia do not count. The Jews are to blame for everything.
But the same drunk told me after the businessman,
What do they drink the blood of Christian babies;
And once in the pub, the guys told me
What a very long time ago they crucified God!

They need krovushki - they are in the park
Tortured, bastards, elephant in the zoo!
They stole, I know, they are from the people
All the bread of last year's harvest!

[PN]

Destroying a nuclear facility is fraught with radiation contamination. But blocking the entrance/exit to the facility and leaving it without water and energy is probably more logical.

[Arzoo]

Everything is provided for this case. They'll dig it up today.

[Blacksmith 55]

More and more states understand that the possession of nuclear weapons provides at least some guarantee against attack by others.
If Iraq and Libya had such weapons, we would not have seen what happened to them. Therefore, I think Iran is still trying to develop its own bomb.
And if he has it or will have it, then Israel can get it in full for its actions.
And that is why the Israelis are so keen to destroy all of Iran's nuclear facilities.

[soloist2424]

Perhaps the Israeli strike is a plan by the globalists to drag Trump into a war to cancel all his plans to rebuild America.

[maiman61]

Kim has nuclear weapons and not a single Western Satan will fart on him. Otherwise, Kim will twist their snouts and say that it was so! And if Iran did not create nuclear weapons, then it is its own fault, like Gaddafi in Libya! To live with wolves, howl like a wolf, no options! If the Great Stalin and Beria had not created nuclear weapons for Russia, then we would have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago!

[Salimi from Iran]

You don't use it anyway. Wouldn't it have been better to solve your problem with America on the battlefield during the Soviet Union than to build nuclear weapons?

[BlackEyes]

Pakistan, India and Russia do not agree with you...

[Vladimir M]

Leaving a nuclear facility without water and power will lead to a nuclear explosion.

[PN]

Well, it depends on what kind of installations are at this facility. Water and energy are needed to cool the reactor. And even then, their absence will lead not to a nuclear, but a thermal explosion. Which is still fraught with contamination...

[Vladimir M]

Let there be a thermal explosion, but even a "shutting down reactor" requires water and energy.

[Wolfskin1993]

This is for whom the Jewish leadership of the Ukrainians is clearing the territory of the natives. After all, a nuclear war in the Middle East was planned back in the 90s. Israel demanded Crimea, the Black Sea coast, Uman, Vinnitsa, Dnepropetrovsk, etc. for resettlement. What is now in the Ukrainians is the implementation of THAT plan, which went "wrong".

[torbas41]

That's right, especially since the largest synagogue in the world has already been built in Dneprozhydovsk. And the Sumerians in Ukraine are needed exclusively as cannon fodder and toilet cleaners.

[alexoff]

They won't go there. In case of a nuclear war they will go to live in the USA, everything there belongs to the Jews anyway.

[Krasnodar]

Quote from Wolfskin1993

This is who the Jewish leadership of Ukraine is for

And what's wrong with the little-known western coast of Canada for Jews? Or Nevada? ))
The first economy and the main trading partner are nearby, why the hell do they need the top of Eastern European poverty with inconvenient logistics?

[Konnick]

Quote from Wolfskin1993

Israel demanded Crimea, the Black Sea coast, Uman, Vinnitsa, Dnepropetrovsk, etc. for resettlement.

Sophisticated fantasy of the Ukrainian mentality

[by land]

What is Iran's air defense doing? Where is their air force?

[Lptsk]

Nuclear facilities are located in mountainous areas. If they are buried in basalt 50 meters deep, even. Then you won't get anything. And the air defense. Maybe they didn't shoot it down on purpose. Now let the Jews twirl their sidelocks, as and where it flies to them. The Persians are a smart and wise people. We'll see.

[Glagol1]

They were not shot down because there is no sufficient air defense. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Most likely there were 2 attack echelons, the first, from Iraqi airspace - with long-range missiles from F-15s. The second - with KABs from low-observable F-35s already directly in Iranian airspace. There is nothing to reach the first echelon with, and F-35s are difficult to shoot down with outdated systems. That is why there are no reports of Jews being shot down...

[Cympak]

Quote: overland

What is Iran's air defense doing? Where is their air force?

Another confirmation of a simple idea that is “not available to our wise men”: without AWACS and constant fighter and interceptor patrols in the air, there is no air defense.

and the air defense maybe wasn't shot down on purpose

Powerful mind-bending!

[your1970]

Quote: Cympak

Another confirmation of a simple idea that is “not available to our wise men”: without AWACS and constant fighter and interceptor patrols in the air, there is no air defense.

In the USSR there was EVERYTHING - nevertheless, Rust flew by and landed calmly

[Cympak]

Quote: your1970

In the USSR there was EVERYTHING - nevertheless, Rust flew by and landed calmly

These were the times of the decline of the USSR. But the point is not that Rust flew and landed, but what conclusions were made and how many generals were fired.
And after that, no new Rusts arrived, because they understood the consequences.

[your1970]

Quote: Cympak

Quote: your1970

In the USSR there was EVERYTHING - nevertheless, Rust flew by and landed calmly

These were the times of the decline of the USSR. But the point is not that Rust flew and landed, but what conclusions were made and how many generals were fired.
And after that, no new Rusts arrived, because they understood the consequences.

So why should they fly - if everyone understood perfectly well that the SA is a paper tiger (with tags, piping, signs "Antifreeze drained" and other tank biathlons... pardon me... commands "Pull your leg..."?
Which was confirmed by the surrender of the USSR by all security agencies (SA, MVD and KGB) 4 years later...

[rezchik]

His arrival was planned by Gorbachev in order to change the top leadership of the army.

[fiv]

Rusts and other unanswered cases are possible when politicians interfere in military affairs. And then these same politicians, in order to hide their true motives or cowardice, take it out on the same military.
And not always, as we see, the aspirations of politicians = benefit to the Motherland.

[vadim dok]

All Iranian air defenses were taken out BEFORE the Israeli air force attacked with the "Web" variant of the Israeli UAV.

[Yuri L]

An interesting question for us. Is there a bomb capable of penetrating the ceiling of a certain object ChZ-417, located at a depth of 92 m and in the area of ​​the Arsenalnaya metro station (there is a terrible green infection there, threatening the entire Russian world)? And it turns out that Iran's air defense was suppressed overnight, but the Strrrrrrrrry air defense of another country has not been suppressed for more than three years for some reason. And only an airplane can carry away powerful anti-bunker bombs, and not every one. Strange...

[Lptsk]

There is a hazelnut. Theoretically it can, but there are no performance characteristics, at least. Yuzhmash was never shown. Obs, that the perimeter along which the hazelnut was fired went underground. So think about it. And a nuclear explosion, it is ground-based, will demolish the ground. And besides, it is in the region of 150 kt. This is so for a microdistrict

[Yuri L]

And in the Russian Federation there are no real bombs that can penetrate such layers of earth and concrete at once. KAB 1500Lg-Pr (pulled by SU-34) penetrates 15-20 m of earth and 2,5 m of concrete at once. There is nothing more powerful. The Americans' GBU-57 penetrates up to 60 m of earth at once, and is pulled by a B-2. According to the Yuzhmash photo, the Oreshnik also penetrates up to 15 m, no more. So there either demonstrate super-accuracy in one hole two or three bombs (but this is unlikely to work), or use other methods, for example a special smoke bomb so that someone starts smoking. But sometimes you have to smoke out the rats.

[Roman Efremov]

No bomb dropped from a bomber can penetrate as much as a ballistic missile falling from space at a speed of several kilometers per second.

[Yuri L]

The question is highly classified, but according to the available open information, the Americans believed that to destroy the bunker in the area of ​​the Moscow State University "Ramenki-43" at least 3 penetrating charges with a capacity of at least 1,2 megatons were required, and for the object near Yamantau (250 m) even 9 megatons. So at depths greater than 30 m, no warhead speeds help, only a minimum megaton nuclear baton.

[voyaka uh]

One bomb won't penetrate. But they throw several bombs in turn at the same
the crater from the first bomb. The bombs' homing heads allow this. And they punch through for tens of meters.
Thus, the leadership of Hezbollah was destroyed.

[Pavel Kislyakov]

depending on the height from which you drop it. If anything, the BRs do not have a speed of kilometers per second in the final section. The atmosphere slows down any objects flying downwards.

[Lptsk]

15 meters of what does hazel penetrate? Concrete? That's not bad. For bunkers, kinetics and then high-explosive impact are needed. But physics is stubborn, there is high kinetics, but it is impossible to save the warhead and both ways.

[Mini Mokik]

It's strange... It's even stranger that the nuclear scientists who were supposedly killed, knowing about the imminent strike, lived peacefully in ordinary apartments, and not underground.

[Al manah]

I agree. Knowing about the upcoming attack, and knowing that you yourself are a target, you can’t hide, cutting off the tails, even to a hotel... I don’t understand.

[Glagol1]

It is even more surprising how the Jews know who lives where. In a country that is completely closed to them. Even more surprising is the situational awareness. A person could have gone on a business trip, to the country, on vacation, moved to a bunker, etc. But no, he is at home, and the Jews know about it, what apartment, what floor... It's brutal, of course...

[Rom8681]

Quote: Glagol1

It is even more surprising how the Jews know who lives where. In a country that is completely closed to them. Even more surprising is the situational awareness. A person could have gone on a business trip, to the country, on vacation, moved to a bunker, etc. But no, he is at home, and the Jews know about it, what apartment, what floor... It's brutal, of course...

The Jews have intelligence.
And the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service also seems to exist

[Knell wardenheart]

Gavriks are great at playing technical reconnaissance and collecting data from gadgets. Iranian physicists had phones or their family members had them, or not phones but some devices with an ID and a microphone (even without a camera). Of course, they had Internet at their hut - cable or Wi-Fi, whatever. They were sitting on the Internet or watching a movie or their relatives or listening to music or just had their computer on. They hacked their microphones (for example) of any of the 100500 devices they were in or just stupidly monitored the traffic of typical activity, perhaps if the Basmachi were really crazy there, they also had GPS tags in their devices or, in principle, some kind of positioning tags. Or on their cars or on their drivers' smart watches or in their drivers' smartphones, or the guys pushed some kind of scam device into several cell towers in Iran, which were checking the movement or signal from the phones they were interested in.
There are simply a shitload of options, but the point is that these physicists showed off their bright mugs in selfies during some video calls to their relatives, or their relatives showed off their hut, for example, or all these cell towers can actually determine with a high degree of accuracy not only the coordinates of the signal, but also the height (i.e. you can determine the floor).
Then they send an uncle there who verifies (if required) or simply obtain documents that indicate some coincidences-anomalies in the settlement (coincidence of family composition, for example). Now everything is in papers-digits and so on everywhere, alas and ah. Every cricket is signed and every pole as well. Gavriks simply had to work with the data, and they know how to do it. Considering also that the Iranians remained amazingly careless, even taking into account the warning signs of how they had already killed both physicists and generals.

I would say that all this basically leads to a number of sad thoughts - all these techno gadgets and corrupting habits make any person very obvious in our time. And we should not assume that Western intelligence agencies will not adopt these methods from the Gavriks and use them against us in the first strike. And they will take them and use them. I hope we will draw conclusions.

[Old Michael]

It is not a fact that objects of the "ChZ" series can be hit with nuclear ammunition.

[tlauicol]

They have passed through Iran and the SAR like butter before - what surprises the author?
Objects at depth were not affected

[Luminman]

I wonder how the Israeli air force got through the Iranian air defense?

[Mazunga]

how calm it is during the exercises)) they say at first they worked specifically on air defense and it is not a fact that there are thousands of Israeli agents on the ground from the air

[501 Legion]

Another question, why were there so many hints about a strike and Iran did not immediately launch a counterattack. While the planes were in the air and did not have time to reload. At least they could have struck with all the Shaheds. Overloading both the air defense and the planes, and while they were being shot down, they struck with all the ballistics. Why are they hesitating, letting the Zionists get ready.
But the Americans began to withdraw all planes from their bases, fearing a strike.
Now, of course, everything is in the balance with Iran; it is necessary to respond with all its strength and means, inflicting maximum damage on the Zionists.

[alexoff]

Trump recently asked Putin to talk to Iran. Apparently he was teaching him red lines and concerns

[by land]

The Shahed drones are very slow, if you launch them while Israeli planes are flying over Iran, they will have enough time to calmly return, land, sit at the base for 1-2 hours, recharge and take off to shoot down the drones. Cruise or ballistic missiles are needed here.

[501 Legion]

and it is clear that this is only the beginning! there will be ballistics and a lot of other things. the main thing is to hit where you need to!

[g_ae]

This is bullshit. The following point raises a question. Russia concluded some kind of strategic agreement with Iran. Iran lent Russia a shoulder in difficult times, but what about Russia? It will be interesting to see how the Kremlin will try to get out of this. It seems to me, gentlemen, that the Kremlin has once again been cruelly... let's say, fooled.

[Volkhov M3]

Made me smile about the supposed gentlemen. And why does the Russian Federation need it more than the Persians? Words are expensive before the market. The shoulder is paid and there is no demand.

[YanniKounnar]

Question:
Si les Taurus peuvent etre etiquette "made in Ukraine"
une bombe ou un missile xxl Russe peut il etre etiqueté "made in Iran" ? ...

Question:
If Taurus can be labeled as "made in Ukraine",
Can a Russian XXL bomb or missile be labeled "Made in Iran"?

[Zaurbek]

It can be and it should be.
But here is the question of relations between Israel and the Russian Federation...
But if you shoot at US targets, then that's what you need to do (But that's another story)

[eugen_caro]

une bombe russe ou un missile XXL devrait être étiqueté "fabriqué en Israël" pour donner aux Juifs une dissonance cognitive.... ou "made in ukraine" pour qu'ils soient heureux de ce "cadeau".

[Glagol1]

And how did Iran lend Russia a shoulder? Please explain.

[BorzRio]

They did launch it with the F-35. And the air defense was thinned out by the first raid. Another failure of our hooting patriotic crowd about the high cost and uselessness, complexity and fragility of the F-35. Combat actions show that it is a quite worthy strike aircraft for its tasks. It will cope with countries like Iran and the like.

[Nesvoy]

Does this mean that the F-35 is not as bad as they say here? The question is rhetorical.

[Glagol1]

The effectiveness of the F-35 can be proven if it is used against a country with strong air defense. It has nothing to do in Russia, as many as it flies in will be shot down. And where there is no strong air defense, the Su-17M4 will work just fine.

[Zaurbek]

And if we remember Iran's brutal responses to previous attacks...then why not bomb it again?

[Ivan№One]

Quote: Lptsk

and the air defense maybe wasn't shot down on purpose... the Persians are a smart and wise people.

1. Brilliant idea! That was definitely it! A new word in military art
2. Smarter than Jews?

[g_ae]

It's like Gorka and Morka. Jews are smart, but cunning, and Iranians are cunning, but smart.)))

[AC130 Gunship]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote from Wolfskin1993

This is who the Jewish leadership of Ukraine is for

And what's wrong with the little-known western coast of Canada for Jews? Or Nevada? ))
The first economy and the main trading partner are nearby, why the hell do they need the top of Eastern European poverty with inconvenient logistics?

Yes, let them go straight to Krasnodar. Similar climate and good connections with relatives living inside the Boulevard Ring

[eugen_caro]

I remember the Persians really helped the Russians with weapons - Russia can do the same, and in fact should help Iran with something that would make things really bad for the Jews... the terrorist state of Israel must be stopped.

[Mxabr]

Iran's nuclear facilities were leaked to the IAEA. Question ---- WHAT THE F---- is this body needed for?

[Goroches]

Well, that's why it's needed for espionage, by Westerners.

[Radical]

Reports of Israeli Air Force using MPR-500 concrete-piercing bombs on Iranian targets raise questions

Let the structures that the state maintains seek answers to these questions.

[Bayun]

The combat radius of the F35 is significantly less than the distance from Israel to Iran. There are two obvious options: takeoff from US bases in Saudi Arabia or from an American aircraft carrier. Then the question is, was it Israel or the US under the Israeli flag...

[Radical]

Quote: Radikal

Reports of Israeli Air Force using MPR-500 concrete-piercing bombs on Iranian targets raise questions

Let the structures that the state maintains seek answers to these questions.

Especially the head of one of them, otherwise it seems that his main place of work is not in Les, but in the Russian Historical Society. He seems to sit there more often than in his office in Yasenevo.

[agond]

The question is not how many meters a concrete-piercing bomb will penetrate, but how to get into a bunker located somewhere underground, especially if the builders themselves may not know its exact location.