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Why do we believe in Russia?

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Wherever we, Russian people, live, in whatever position we are, we never and never leave the sorrow about our Homeland, about Russia. This is natural and inevitable: this grief cannot and should not leave us. She is a manifestation of our living love for the Motherland and our faith in it.


In order to be and fight, stand and win, we need to believe that the good forces of the Russian people have not dried up, that God's gifts did not diminish in him, that it is still only on the surface that their darkness of God lives in it, that this defilement will pass and spiritual strength will be resurrected. Those of us who lose this faith will lose the purpose and meaning of the national struggle and fall away like dried leaves. They will no longer see Russia in God and love her in spirit; which means that they will lose her, come out of her spiritual womb and stop being Russian.

Being Russian means not only speaking Russian. But it means - to perceive Russia with the heart, to see with love its precious originality and its all universal stories unique originality, to understand that this originality is the Gift of God given to the Russian people themselves, and at the same time - an indication of God, having to protect Russia from the encroachment of other nations and demand for this gift - freedom and independence on earth. To be Russian means to contemplate Russia in the ray of God, in its eternal fabric, its everlasting substance and love to accept it as one of the main and cherished shrines of its personal life. Being Russian means believing in Russia as all Russian great people believed in it, all its geniuses and its builders. Only on this faith can we confirm our struggle for it and our victory. Perhaps Tyutchev is not right that “one can only believe in Russia”, because, after all, reason can say a lot about Russia, and the power of imagination should see its earthly greatness and its spiritual beauty, and a lot must be done and approved in Russia. But faith is also necessary: ​​without faith in Russia, we and ourselves cannot live, and it cannot be revived.


Let them not tell us that Russia is not a subject for faith, that it is fitting to believe in God, and not in earthly circumstances. Russia in the face of God, affirmed and glorified in God's gift, is precisely the object of faith, but not faith that is blind and counterintelligent, but faith that loves, sees, and is reasoned. Russia, as a chain of historical phenomena and images, is, of course, an earthly circumstance subject to scientific study. But this very scientific must not dwell on the appearance of facts; it must penetrate into their inner meaning, into the spiritual significance of historical phenomena, to the one that constitutes the spirit of the Russian people and the essence of Russia. We, the Russian people, are called not only to know the history of our fatherland, but also to see in it the struggle of our people for its distinctive spiritual face.

We must see our people not only in their restless passion, but also in their humble prayer; not only in his sins and falls, but in his kindness, in his valor, in his exploits; not only in his wars, but also in the intimate sense of these wars. And especially - in that direction of his heart and will, hidden from a stranger’s eye, which permeates his entire history, his entire rejuvenated life. We must learn to see Russia in God - its heart, its statehood, its history. We must reflect on the whole history of Russian culture in a new way - spiritually and religiously.

And when we interpret it this way, then it will be revealed to us that the Russian people had to stand up to God all their lives, sought, harassed and struggled, that he knew his passions and his sins, but always measured himself with God's criteria; that through all his evasions and falls, in spite of them and in spite of them, his soul always prayed and prayer always constituted the living nature of his spirit.

To believe in Russia is to see and recognize that its soul is rooted in God and that its history is its growth from these roots. If we believe in it, then no "failures" in its path, no tests of its forces can frighten us. Our unabating sorrow is natural about its temporary humiliation and the torment suffered by our people; but unnatural despondency or despair.

So, the soul of the Russian people always sought its roots in God and in His earthly phenomena: in truth, righteousness and beauty. Once upon a time, maybe even in prehistoric times, the question of truth and falsehood was resolved in Russia, resolved and sealed by the verdict in a fairy tale.

“We must live according to God’s ... What will be, then it will be, but I don’t want to live with a curve” ... And on this decision Russia built and kept throughout its history - from the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to the Righteous Men described by Leskov and the Engineers - Imbalance "; from Sergius the Rev. to non-commissioned officer Thomas Danilov, tortured in 1875 by Kipchaks for loyalty to the faith and homeland; from Prince Yakov Dolgorukov, who was directed by the enduring truth of Peter the Great, to the confessor, tortured by the Bolsheviks, Metropolitan of St. Petersburg Venyamin.

Russia is first and foremost a living host of Russian truth-lovers, “direct costists”, faithful to God's truth. By some mysterious, powerful confidence they knew, they knew that the appearance of earthly failure should not embarrass a direct and faithful soul; that the one who does God's work wins by his own doing, builds Russia with his own (albeit lonely and martyred) standing. And the one of us who has ever tried to embrace the gaze of these Russian stolees, he will never believe the Western talk about the insignificance of Slavs and will never be shaken in his faith in Russia.

Russia held and was built by the memory of God and being in His living and gracious breath. That is why, when a Russian man wants to reason with his neighbor, he says to him: “Fear God!” - while reproaching, he says the words: “There is no God in you!” For he who has God in himself carries living love and a living conscience in his soul: two the noblest foundations of all life service, priestly, civil and military, judicial and royal. This view is primordial, ancient; it was precisely this that found its expression in the decree of Peter the Great, inscribed on the Mirror: “You must come before judgment, beforehand the judgment of God is, everybody curses, do the work of God with carelessness.” This view was always expressed by Suvorov, putting forward the idea of ​​a Russian warrior fighting for the work of God. On this view, whole generations of Russian people were brought up - both those who fought for Russia, and those who liberated the peasants from serfdom (on fundamentals not practiced anywhere in the world except Russia), and those that created the Russian zemstvo, Russian court and the Russian school of the pre-revolutionary period.

A healthy statehood and a healthy army are impossible without a sense of one’s own spiritual dignity, and the Russian man asserted him on faith in his immortal, impending God and God-led soul: this is where the Russian person has this amazing religious-epic and calm perception of death - and on the bed of illness, and in the battle, which was noted more than once in Russian literature, especially in Tolstoy and Turgenev.

But a healthy statehood and a healthy army are impossible without a true sense of rank. And the captain of Dostoevsky who replied to the godless was right: “If there is no God, what kind of captain am I after that?” Creative statehood also requires the wisdom of cordial and inspired contemplation, or, according to the words of Metropolitan Philaret, said during the coronation of Emperor Alexander II - it requires “most mysterious overshadowing from the Lord the Lord's spirit, the Spirit of wisdom and knowledge, the Spirit of conscience and strength”.

Russia kept this spirit throughout its history, and its falling away from this spirit always led it to innumerable misfortunes. Therefore, believing in Russia means accepting these deep and great traditions — its will for quality, its identity and service, to take root in them and confidently build its revival on them. And when Western people ask us the question, why are we so firmly confident in the coming revival and restoration of Russia, we answer: because we know the history of Russia, which you do not know, and live in its spirit, which is alien to you and inaccessible. We affirm the spiritual strength and bright future of the Russian people by virtue of many reasons, each of which has its own special weight and which all together lead us to the depth of our faith and our loyalty.

We believe in the Russian people not only because it has proved its ability to state organization and economic colonization, politically and economically uniting one sixth of the earth's surface; and not only because he created law and order for one hundred and sixty different tribes - multilingual and diverse minorities, for centuries showing that complacent flexibility and peaceful livableness, to which Lermontov once bowed with such joyful feeling (“The Hero of Our Time”, chapter I, “Bela ");

and not only because he proved his great spiritual and national vitality by raising and overcoming the two hundred and fifty-year yoke of the Tatars; and not only because he, unprotected by natural frontiers, having passed through centuries of armed struggle, having spent two thirds of his sacrificial life in defensive wars, overcame all his historical burdens and gave by the end of this period the highest average birth rate in Europe: 47 people per year for every thousand people;

and not only because he created a powerful and original language, as capable of plastic expressiveness as an abstract soaring, language, about which Gogol said: “No matter the sound, the gift, and the right, a different name is even more precious than the things "... (" Selected places from the correspondence with friends ");

and not only because, by creating his own special national culture, he proved - and his own power to create something new, and his talent to translate someone else's, and his will to quality and perfection, and his own talent, advancing from all classes "his own Platons and quick minds Nevtonov ”(Lomonosov);

and not only because he developed over the centuries his special Russian sense of justice (Russian pre-revolutionary court, works of the Russian Senate, Russian jurisprudence combining the Christian spirit with a refined sense of justice and informal contemplation of law);

and not only because he created a beautiful and original art, taste and measure, the originality and depth of which has not yet been appreciated by other nations, either in choir singing, or in music, or in literature, or in painting, or sculpture, neither in architecture, nor in theater, nor in dance;

and not only because the Russian people are given from God and by nature inexhaustible wealth, aboveground and underground, which provide him with the opportunity - at the very worst and worst case of a successful invasion of Western Europeans into its borders - to retreat into the depths of their country, find everything there is necessary for defense and for returning the dismantled dissenters and defending their place under the sun of God, their national unity and independence ...

We believe in Russia not only for all these reasons, but, of course, we find support in them too. Behind them and through them something more shines to us: a people with such gifts and with such a fate, who suffered and created such things, cannot be abandoned by God at the tragic hour of their history. He is in reality and will not be abandoned by God, already by virtue of the fact that his soul has been rooted and rooted in prayer contemplation, in the search for the highest, in serving the supreme meaning of life. And if his eye was temporarily darkened, and if his power, which distinguished the right from temptation, was shaken once, then suffering would clear his eyes and strengthen his spiritual power in him ...

We believe in Russia because we contemplate it in God and see it as it really was. Without this support, she would not have lifted her harsh fate. Without this living source, she would not have created her culture. Without this gift, she would not have received this vocation. We know and understand that for a person’s personal life - 25 years is a long and painful period. But in the life of an entire nation with a thousand-year past, this period of “falling out” or “failure” is not decisive: history shows that people respond to such trials and upheavals by returning to their spiritual substance, restoring their spiritual act, and new blossoming of their strength . So it will be with the Russian people. Experienced trials will awaken and strengthen his self-preservation instinct. Persecution of faith will clear his spiritual eye and his religiosity. Outdated stocks of envy, anger and strife will become a thing of the past. And the new Russia will rise.

We believe in it not because we want it, but because we know the Russian soul, we see the path traversed by our people, and speaking of Russia, we mentally turn to God's plan laid in the foundation of Russian history, the Russian national being.
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  1. GG2012
    GG2012 April 10 2013 17: 06 New
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    I believe in the Great and Prosperous future of secular Russia, without the dominant participation of any religion.
    The Army, Navy and Science are the pillars of Russia and the entire Slavic World.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 17: 18 New
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      Quote: GG2012
      The Army, Navy and Science - this is the pillar of Russia


      We had all this in the USSR and where is he? As soon as Stalin died, everything went downhill, he replaced our faith in God, but there is no Stalin, there is no USSR. God showed us in Russian words from the prayer "do not rely on the princes of the sons of men, there is no salvation in them", and without our Orthodox faith we we will quickly come to European values ​​that are practiced by unbelieving Western democracy, it is profitable for it not to believe in God, you can not be afraid to corrupt children, to live in vice is not unscientific, to take satanists and pdrov into the army, because the army does not care who will kill
      1. Manager
        Manager April 10 2013 17: 28 New
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        Quote: Vadivak
        We had it all in the USSR and where is it? As soon as Stalin died, everything went downhill


        And here Vadim, everything is simple. Of course, we had patriots in power, but they were not smart, cunning and did not look ahead. Generally not chess players. Same Khrushchev for example. Yes, he is certainly a patriot, but at the same time he is a "village felt boot".
        While Britain and the United States made plans and collected all the gold and technology from around the world, an arms race was imposed on ours. In general, we did not have enough brains in power at that time. It was always interesting, If Putin was in power in the 50X-70x years, how would you live now?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 17: 32 New
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          Quote: Manager
          In general, we did not have enough brains in power at that time.


          Maxim good evening, the mind was then the mind without faith is dead, like science. This is still academician Pavlov said
          1. Manager
            Manager April 10 2013 17: 38 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            a mind without faith is dead, as is science.

            But if you think about it, the meaning in these words is deep.
          2. Nick
            Nick April 10 2013 21: 30 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            mind without faith is dead like science

            Ay, rightly said!
            1. morpex
              morpex April 10 2013 21: 47 New
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              Quote: Nick
              Quote: Vadivak
              mind without faith is dead like science

              Ay, rightly said!

              Almost like in Scripture: "... faith without works is dead ... Like works without faith, they are also dead ..."
              1. SCS
                SCS April 11 2013 07: 16 New
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                Hello, everybody!
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                "Quote: Vadivak
                We had all this in the USSR and where is he? As soon as Stalin died, everything went downhill "

                “And here Vadim, everything is simple. Of course we had patriots in power, but they were not smart, cunning and did not look ahead. Generally not chess players. Same Khrushchev for example. Yes, he is certainly a patriot, but at the same time he is a“ village felt boot ” ...
                While Britain and the US were making plans and collecting all the gold and technology from all over the world, an arms race was imposed on ours. In general, we lacked the minds in power at that time. It was always interesting, If Putin was in power in the 50X-70s, how would you live now? "
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                Quote: morpex
                Quote: Nick
                Quote: Vadivak
                mind without faith is dead like science

                Ay, rightly said!

                Almost like in Scripture: "... faith without works is dead ... Like works without faith, they are also dead ..."


                It depends on what is meant by the word faith! I believe that all the great Soviet scientists, engineers, doctors ..., and most Soviet people, had faith and this faith moved the majority! but it was not faith in God, although this faith had a place to be, but the belief that they were doing one common thing! that they work for the good of the whole country and their children! They believed in a great future and justice ...... and then a little nuance, they saw it with their own eyes ...
                Of course, no doubt, you can’t break people and take away the faith (faith in God) that we have lived with for centuries! but what happened, you won’t return it! After all, if there was no faith in this period, how would they be able to win the Great War? how would you be able to get to your feet so quickly and grow all the time until the spotted one comes ????
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak April 11 2013 08: 34 New
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                  Quote: SCS
                  Believed in a great future and justice .....


                  Hello dear Konstantin

                  I lived in that wonderful time in the 70s, no longer believed in a bright future, and whoever could do what they could, choked on their macho scarves and poisoned Brezhnev's jokes, I didn’t like the Komsomol for slogans and barbecue with all my heart
                  1. SCS
                    SCS April 11 2013 11: 56 New
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                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Quote: SCS
                    Believed in a great future and justice .....


                    Hello dear Konstantin

                    I lived in that wonderful time in the 70s, no longer believed in a bright future, and whoever could do what they could, choked on their macho scarves and poisoned Brezhnev's jokes, I didn’t like the Komsomol for slogans and barbecue with all my heart


                    Vadim, hello again! in the 70s my parents only went to school ... yes but in those days my grandfathers lived and worked, and then my parents! I can’t say anything about the cities, but for the village I’ll say that in the flesh until 93-95, most people were satisfied with their lives and didn’t "go out of their way from work", and everything was somehow enough! and lived in their houses and apartments! lived in relative prosperity and about the same.
                    Well, really there was no justice and faith in the future? yes, most likely there was nothing to compare ... You know, there is such an anecdote or a saying: one threw good women and married several times, because he thought that the next wife would be better than the previous one, and the other lived his whole life with a vixen, because that he was afraid the next wife would be even worse!
                    and by the way, with the factory workers who lived at that time, I also had the opportunity to talk and work. reviews about those times are only bright!
                    I’m not trying to argue, I’m reporting what I know from eyewitnesses! hi
                    1. Vadivak
                      Vadivak April 11 2013 12: 13 New
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                      Quote: SCS
                      but for the village I will say that in the flesh until 93-95, most of the people were satisfied with their lives and did not "get out of work whoever could

                      Well, then I'm older than your esteemed parents.

                      As a young man, among the others, I provided patronage assistance to one farm, for example, a bag of barley on a sowing seed cost two bottles of moonshine (of excellent quality) of a soldier’s company for loading a wagon — a ram to the unit commander (naturally unaccounted for), well, all kinds of stock numbers, unaccounted arable land, and therefore grain , and as a result of the overexpenditure of tanning beds which no one considered, a lot of interesting

                      Quote: SCS
                      and by the way, with the factory workers who lived at that time, I also had the opportunity to talk and work. reviews about those times are only bright!
                      I’m not trying to argue, I’m reporting what I know from eyewitnesses! hi


                      Yes, I also have bright memories, the most important thing was confidence in the future, there were no drug addicts and prostitution (in such quantity), apartments could be obtained for free after working for 7-8 years at the enterprise.
                      1. SCS
                        SCS April 11 2013 13: 04 New
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                        Quote: Vadivak
                        As a young man, among the others, I provided patronage assistance to one farm, for example, a bag of barley on a sowing seed cost two bottles of moonshine (of excellent quality) of a soldier’s company for loading a wagon — a ram to the unit commander (naturally unaccounted for), well, all kinds of stock numbers, unaccounted arable land, and therefore grain , and as a result of the overexpenditure of tanning beds which no one considered, a lot of interesting


                        and every competent leader ("unaccounted arable land") did this! it has always been this way and often it helped!
                        And you must admit, Vadim, that the above examples simply touch their harmlessness ... Regards hi!

                        Quote: Vadivak
                        for example, a bag of barley on a sowing seed cost two bottles of moonshine (excellent quality)

                        Now it’s even cheaper than two times)))
          3. Rink
            Rink April 11 2013 00: 10 New
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            Although I myself was brought up by an atheist, I have recently seen not only the negative in religion (although there are many of them there). The main positive role was very well formulated by G. Pomerants.
            They write:

            "Montaigne said: -" Simple peasants are wonderful people, and wonderful people are philosophers. But all evil comes from half-education.
            The peasant is connected by a system of taboos that differs little from the tribal one. This system - the moral experience of the collective, preserves as a moral being an individual who is not able to philosophize.
            The philosopher is an intellectually and morally developed person. The Chinese say: "The wise do not need the law, they have the mind." Or in Christian terms: "Love God - and do what you want."
            And semi-education is what the Bible calls Ham. Ham is a man who has had some education. So much so that you are not afraid to break the taboo. But not enough to reach moral truths with his mind and experience. "

            "... in the language of the monks, the devil is on guard halfway."

            After thinking about this idea, I agree, now the Russian person needs religion. And if religiosity can make us better, and can unite under one banner, then why not unite around this Orthodox idea?

            PS But this is one of the reasons, perhaps, for which the Ukrainian Autocephalous Church is forcibly and aggressively planted in Ukraine ... Up to the seizure of churches belonging to the Russian Church of the Moscow Patriarchate.
            So they consider the power of the Word serious enough?
        2. Viking
          Viking April 10 2013 21: 29 New
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          Quote: Manager
          It was always interesting, If Putin was in power in the 50X-70x years, how would you live now?

          But the question is really interesting. A real, charismatic, sober-minded politician not fixated on dogmas and "pillars" of ideology. I think that there would be an analogue of this "Soviet Kennedy".
      2. Sasha
        Sasha April 10 2013 18: 05 New
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        As soon as Stalin died, everything went downhill, he replaced us with faith in God

        Do you really think that someone can replace (prohibit) faith in God?
        A person who believes in God remains a believer always independent of external factors.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 19: 25 New
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          Quote: Sashok
          Do you really think that someone can replace (prohibit) faith in God?


          Administratively, yes, even in the lessons we were hollowed out that it was all a hoax, and we had the fighters - a fighter for a modern state, secularized, separated from the church, guess what nationality it is?
          Quote: Sashok
          A person who believes in God remains a believer always independent of external factors.

          To do this, you must come to God
        2. shpuntik
          shpuntik April 11 2013 00: 17 New
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          Do you really think that someone can replace (prohibit) faith in God?
          They can impose idolatry. This is when a thousand people walk with flags and children and shout, passing by the monument: "Lenin lived! Lenin is alive! Lenin will live!" But before that, you first need to exterminate the priests (out of 140 thousand by the age of 60, 2 thousand remained, of the bishops who can ordain to the priesthood, less than 10 people, EMNP). Moreover, churches should be turned into stalls, blown up, etc. To clean up the school curriculum, to impose Darwinism and so on. And now tell me: where does such anger come from? If you believe in God, then where and in what way is the enemy of the human race manifested?
      3. GG2012
        GG2012 April 10 2013 20: 10 New
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        Quote: Vadivak
        We had it all in the USSR and where is it?

        Reading your comments for about a year, I always found you a thoughtful interlocutor who does not scatter words and blank stamps.
        And then, "the hand trembled" ... and the rhyme let you down.

        The USSR was created - fanatic communists (Bolsheviks).
        And the USSR was prosralized - the top of the communist liberals.
        The USSR lasted 70 years only thanks to the most brutal violence against the people.
        (Read Vadim Tumanov "Losing everything - and starting with a dream again ..." http://bookz.ru/authors/vadim-tumanov/vse-pote_929/1-vse-pote_929.html)

        Communist ideology replaced all kinds of knowledge and forms of self-realization.
        As a result, in just 70 years, such a huge empire as the USSR, collapsed under its own weight and inefficiency.
        Overgrown like a cancer party apparatus, strangled the country, killed the economy and crippled the younger generations.
        The children of prominent communists who know the inside of the "bright communist present and future" grew up as ardent anti-communists.
        Whose merit is this?
        This is the merit of the administrative-bureaucratic party apparatus.
        Therefore, dear Vadivak, there is no need to spread frank misinformation, saying that if religion were allowed in the USSR as part of state ideology, the USSR would live and live.
        Nothing like this!
        No economy can withstand two state ideologies at the same time.

        An attempt to make Christianity a new state ideology is another historical mistake of our authorities.
        Alas! The history of the revolutionary movement in Tsarist Russia is evidence of this.
        Read, if you wish, by Georgy Shavelskiy "MEMORIES OF THE LAST PROTOPRESVITER OF THE RUSSIAN ARMY AND FLEET" (http://www.krotov.info/history/20/1910/shavelsk_00.htm)
        This man, under Nicholas 2 (soft body), was responsible for the religiosity of the Army and Navy of Tsarist Russia.
        His memoirs are an eloquent example of what the elite of the Church and the real attitude of the people towards religion are, and not the puffed figures that the Church is brandishing before the Authority’s nose. (Does this remind you of anything? ... for example, recent loud Gundyaev’s speeches about the fact that in the modern army there are 75-80% of Orthodox ...).

        Additionally, it should be expected that an attempt to make Christianity a new state ideology will lead, and already leads, to another senility.
        For example, ... no one has seen the "feelings of believers" in the eyes, and there is an article in the Criminal Code that protects them. Likewise, under the USSR, the Criminal Code protected the "feelings of the communists" ... everyone who lived in the USSR remembers how it was done and how many lives were broken because of these "feelings of the communists" ...

        Soon, the idea of ​​renaming the post of the President of the Russian Federation to the post of Tsar (naturally with the right of inheritance) will arise by itself.
        You say it insanity! ...
        Why, then! - the priests will object, "After all, there is no term" President "in the Bible, but there is a term" Tsar ", which means that the authorities do not correspond to the Bible. So you need to change ... either the Bible or the title of the position ... Therefore, most likely the title of the position will be changed.
        And so on.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 April 10 2013 21: 33 New
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          GG2012

          Okay!
          It’s only one thing to criticize. Is there an alternative?
          One type said: democracy is a disgusting thing, just do it - humanity hasn’t come up with anything better!

          What in return for the church? And what could have been invented at that moment? Someone planned the collapse of the USSR?
          And what was the idea of ​​a new system?

          Even 21 years later there is no other idea! The country had to survive!

          Our misfortune is that everyone KNOWS THAT THAT IS NOT LIVING CORRECTLY BUT THERE IS NOT ONE WHO WOULD KNOW HOW TO !!! fool
        2. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 01: 00 New
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          Quote: GG2012
          Additionally, it should be expected that an attempt to make Christianity a new state ideology will lead, and already leads, to another senility.

          Insanity has begun

          The bill on the protection of the feelings of believers, approved by the State Duma in the first reading. For insulting religious Russians, the state is ready to punish decisively and severely: fines of up to 300 thousand rubles and imprisonment for up to five years. The "apple" party took the lead and declared discrimination. “Neglecting this article of the Constitution, the State Duma established criminal liability for insulting believers, and left only administrative responsibility for insulting citizens belonging to other categories - a ridiculous sum of 3 thousand rubles. Thus, the rights of persons "not professing any" religion are grossly violated. "

          Now, even here, believers will feel at ease, and in which case they will not complain to the administrator, but to the court, but what about being a non-believer
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 11 2013 13: 18 New
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            Quote: alexandr00070
            Insanity has begun

            The bill on the protection of the feelings of believers, approved by the State Duma in the first reading. For insulting religious Russians, the state is ready to punish decisively and severely: fines of up to 300 thousand rubles and imprisonment for up to five years. The "apple" party took the lead and declared discrimination. “Neglecting this article of the Constitution, the State Duma established criminal liability for insulting believers, and left only administrative responsibility for insulting citizens belonging to other categories - a ridiculous sum of 3 thousand rubles. Thus, the rights of persons "not professing any" religion are grossly violated. "

            Now, even here, believers will feel at ease, and in which case they will not complain to the administrator, but to the court, but what about being a non-believer


            And where is insanity? The law is very timely! This is unacceptable when Western prostitutes desecrate our church. It doesn’t matter whether it’s good or bad, it is OUR church.
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 12 2013 13: 26 New
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              Quote: Setrac
              And where is insanity? The law is very timely! This is unacceptable when Western prostitutes desecrate our church. It doesn’t matter whether it’s good or bad, it is OUR church.

              What to do to those people who in Russia do not perceive the activity of OUR church with such optimism, what to do to educated people with an untouched obscurantism of religion, who protect their rights to a normal, guaranteed by the Constitution, secular life separate from religion
            2. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 12 2013 14: 04 New
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              Quote: Setrac
              And where is insanity? The law is very timely! This is unacceptable when Western prostitutes desecrate our church. It doesn’t matter whether it’s good or bad, it is OUR church.

              I wanted to answer you, but someone put my comments on automatic deletion, the law already applies even on this site
          2. Vtel
            Vtel April 11 2013 13: 52 New
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            If you are Russian, then you must honor the Faith and traditions of the Russian People. Otherwise it will be like in Holland and France, etc. And if not a believer, then this is not the end, still to come - Life (God) will teach, beat, but also regret it. If there are no restrictions, we will get the Garden with the Busiraites, who do not give a damn, who nourished them to their Homeland, and indeed to all those around them.
            1. GG2012
              GG2012 April 11 2013 14: 24 New
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              Quote: Vtel
              If you are Russian, then you must honor the Faith and traditions of the Russian People

              It’s immediately obvious that you have never opened the Bible.
              Probably three classes of elementary school, .. and then an evening party ... Yes?
              We open the Bible and read ... and where (on which page) did you find Russian traditions there?
              I read both the Old and New Testaments, so I say what I saw myself - Jewish traditions and Jewish faith in the Bible.
              A paradox arises, a person who calls himself Russian, honors Jewish traditions and has a Jewish faith. And at the same time, he says "Our Russian Faith". And what is Russian in it ??? !!!
              And you are after that Russian?
              In my opinion, you are Russian turning into a Jew. Such a thing ... a creature in transition ... in short, a mutation.
              Sorry if I offended you.
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik April 11 2013 16: 19 New
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                GG2012 (6) Today, 14:24 PM ↑ New
                Quote: Vtel
                If you are Russian, then you must honor the Faith and traditions of the Russian People
                It’s immediately obvious that you have never opened the Bible.

                Dear Gregory! If you knew how wild it is for me to read your reasoning. It is impossible to prove with words. Therefore, I’ll tell you about my experience, in short: the fact is that the Old Testament and the Gospel (good news in translation) are not read from the floundering bay. For example, the advice of Rev. Isaac the Syrian came up to me: In the words of the sacraments contained in the Divine Scriptures, do not proceed without prayer and asking for help from God, but say: “Give me, Lord, to receive the feeling of the power contained in them.” Prayer is the key to the true meaning of what is said in the Divine Scriptures. In principle, everything. Link: http://www.wco.ru/biblio/books/dobmir/H13-T.htm
            2. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 12 2013 14: 05 New
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              Quote: Vtel
              If you are Russian, then you must honor the Faith and traditions of the Russian People. Otherwise it will be like in Holland and France, etc.

              so let's honor the traditions and Faith of the Russian people, why bow to the Greek, Jewish religion. And in France and the Netherlands and throughout Europe, the Christian religion and what it gave them to yourself, you see
        3. Vtel
          Vtel April 11 2013 13: 42 New
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          This man, under Nicholas 2 (soft body), was responsible for the religiosity of the Army and Navy of Tsarist Russia.
          His memoirs are an eloquent example of what the elite of the Church and the real attitude of the people towards religion are, and not the puffed figures that the Church is brandishing before the Authority’s nose.

          You yourself are soft-bodied, I suppose Svanidze is your friend. The king was betrayed by his entourage, generals, that it was a sin to conceal - and часть clergy and many people. Who used to swear to Him. They betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, for the land that the Bolsheviks promised them and they received it, true 2X2 m. But the Tsar martyr and his whole family did not sell themselves to the Zhikdam filthy and they RITUALLY TORNED THEM - the people, the church, the army did not intercede then all wanted what something new - freedom (from God), and now we have been reaping the fruits of our Apostasy for 70 years. So before you speak, you need to think, and you need to know the true History of Russia, and not the liberals write to us, so that later on at the Last Judgment there will be no worse. If I offended you, please forgive me!
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 12 2013 14: 05 New
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            Quote: Vtel
            This person, under Nicholas 2 (soft body)

            Bloody you wanted to say
            Quote: Vtel
            The king was betrayed by his entourage, generals, that it was a sin to conceal - both part of the clergy and many people.

            Know the king was good since no one entered. You never know there were fatal coups in the history of Russia. Damn you read your comments half sensible, and half some kind of nonsense to the Baptist (the Last Judgment, etc.), but there may be a higher education. By the way, the Soviet ones chose the flags, it’s that nostalgia for 70 years of Apostasy
      4. alexng
        alexng April 11 2013 00: 45 New
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        Let me disagree with you. GG2012 is not talking about abandoning religion, but about the dominance of one of them. Russia must build a secular society in which all religions coexist peacefully. But faith is the core that keeps Russia always afloat, no matter who tries to drown it. This is the greatness of Russia.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 01: 03 New
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          Quote: alexneg
          Let me disagree with you. GG2012 is not talking about abandoning religion, but about the dominance of one of them. Russia must build a secular society in which all religions coexist peacefully.

          that is, if the ROC now pulls the blanket over itself, and it already pulls, then we will get conflicts also on inter-religious grounds, and the West can play on this oh
      5. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx April 12 2013 16: 51 New
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        Quote: Vadivak
        ... and without our Orthodox faith we will quickly come to the European values ​​practiced by the unbelieving Western democracy, it is beneficial for her not to believe in God ...

        I will tell you this case:
        2 years ago, I became the godfather of a brother-soldier in Rostov-on-Don in the church of Dmitry Donskoy on the street. Lenin 210a. The priest gathered all the godparents, 10-12 people before the sacrament, told the rules - do not talk, turn off the phones to follow his instructions. He made a remark to me, as I pointed out to Kuma the untied shawl. In the middle of the ceremony, an SMS signal was triggered - under our stunned glances of all those present, the priest, without any repairs, threw back his cassock, pulled out the phone from his jeans and, after reading the SMS, tapped the answer - after which he continued as if nothing had happened the sacrament of baptism. To say that we, all godparents, were shocked - to say nothing.
        I mean, the church needs a good cleaning of the ranks - well, the commander cannot explain how to fight in a tank if he doesn’t crawl into the tank, just like a geography teacher can talk about Antarctica, confusing it with the Arctic on the map. The church used to have such a good tool for influencing church ministers as the presumption of guilt - when a church minister is suspected of misconduct must provethat he did not commit the wrongdoing of which he was accused (they gave me a Mercedes, that’s a gift, but I didn’t hide it from the treasury - now it is used more likely as a punishment tool for those who are objectionable to church authorities.
    2. Mitek
      Mitek April 10 2013 17: 27 New
      +1
      Absolutely agree with you GG2012! Moreover, I personally got sick of church faces on Mercedes, Lexus, and even Bentley. Only education, science, development of production and, as a result, an increase in defense potential and an improvement in living standards ..
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 10 2013 17: 29 New
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        Quote: Mitek
        Absolutely agree with you GG2012! Moreover, I personally got sick of church faces on Mercedes, Lexus


        When will you understand that these are the same officials, and they saved the Russian land in due time Monks such as Peresvet and Oslyabya and their spiritual guide, Sergius of Radonezh, who called on all the peoples of fragmented Russia to protect it
        1. Mitek
          Mitek April 10 2013 18: 59 New
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          And when you Vadivak will understand that our priests and monks did not save our land, but a simple PEOPLE! And priests are parasites in essence, and the church is essentially a closed joint-stock company that is not taxed to lure money from worshipers. Unfortunately, Orthodoxy of the brain is a common thing in our time .. And understand that popye has nothing to do with true faith.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 10 2013 19: 16 New
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            Quote: Mitek
            when you Vadivak will understand that our priests were not saved by priests or monks, but by a simple PEOPLE! AND


            And well, your wonderful people led Judah Hunchback?

            Quote: Mitek
            A tax-free society for luring money from worshipers.

            Have you ever been to the Mitek Temple? Nobody will twist your hands there for alms. And giving money to orphanages is better through the temple than through thieves funds.
            Quote: Mitek
            And understand that popye has nothing to do with true faith.


            Yes, a flag in your hands, join European values, there Orthodoxy and the brain are completely absent
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 11 2013 01: 56 New
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              Quote: Vadivak
              Nobody will twist your hands there for alms. And giving money to orphanages is better through the temple than through thieves funds.


              With such prices, you don’t need to twist your hands, but by the way, priests have cars like the directors of funds (with God's mercy)

              Quote: Vadivak
              And well, your wonderful people led Judah Hunchback?


              It was ours that didn’t fall for it, and then it was one of a series of replaceable general secretaries.
          2. antidote
            antidote April 10 2013 20: 16 New
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            Here is one more liberal-minded man. In order to judge something, you need to carefully study several different serious sources. It is certainly easier to listen to what they rub on TV and then refer to it
          3. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee April 11 2013 05: 02 New
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            It’s the 21st century, and we are PUSHED in the Middle Ages. Although faith is a private matter
        2. AntonR7
          AntonR7 April 10 2013 19: 28 New
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          But after all, priests also have normal and snickering ones, the holy synod needs to be revived which can be followed by their mores
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 00 New
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            Quote: AntonR7
            But after all, priests also have normal and snickering ones, the holy synod needs to be revived which can be followed by their mores

            and nobody is rowing under one comb, it’s just that in the government of corruption officials are checked by corrupt officials, and police officers were examined by their superiors. So the synod will only be a superstructure
        3. zart_arn
          zart_arn April 10 2013 20: 44 New
          +1
          I think that church and bureaucracy are not completely compatible concepts.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 19 New
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            Quote: zart_arn
            I think that church and bureaucracy are not completely compatible concepts.


            Not at all compatible, but go find out what a person has when he goes to priests, is he going to teach and serve God or a wallet?
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 02 New
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              Quote: Vadivak
              Not at all compatible, but go find out what a person has in his soul when he goes to priests, he is going to teach and serve God or a wallet

              Well, here are the golden words, and what do you think of what the young priest who was involved in a fatal accident in a cool foreign car was going to serve, and there were two more cool houses.
        4. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 01: 51 New
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          Quote: Vadivak
          When you understand that these are the same officials, and the monks such as Peresvet and Oslyabya and their spiritual mentor Sergius of Radonezh, who called on all the peoples of fragmented Russia to protect it, saved the Russian land at one time

          When will you understand that Sergius was not a simple follower of Christianity, but a man who created his church, which then safely after ..... does the modern line of the Russian Orthodox Church have nothing to do with the church of St. Sergius of Radonezh
          Until the XNUMXth century, Great Russia remained the only solar power on the planet, but then a lunar cult began to be imposed here - Christianity born of Judaism. Destroyed the priests and ancient chronicles, forced people to become lunar forces. In order not to deprive the Russian people of spirituality, not to transform, under the influence of Western Christian ideology, materialized, living one day, indifferent inhabitants, some Vedic priests began to act under Christian priests. Moreover, duped and hunted by endless persecution of the sorcerers and sorcerers, the people began to seek truth from the new "priests" from the foreign church. One of these "Christian ascetics" was Sergius of Radonezh.

          Being a highly consecrated magician, this pseudo-Christian managed in a short time to turn Greek-style Christianity, which came to Russian soil, with its servility, obedience to power and authority, into a completely different religion. Orthodoxy of St. Sergius of Radonezh in its essence ceased to be Western, it turned into a life-affirming solar religion of the triumph of the laws of the Law and the highest cosmic justice. Sergius of Radonezh knew well the true doctrine of Christ, that it was fundamentally Vedic and therefore did not invent anything from himself. The Christian doctrine of St. Sergius of Radonezh became what it should have been. In fact, inherently indistinguishable from the Vedic ancient Hyperborean worldview. Moreover, Sergius of Radonezh very subtly inscribed his teaching in orthodox Christianity. And so unobtrusively and convincingly that even Christian fanatics believed him.
          It so happened that around the church of St. Sergius of Radonezh, spiritually scattered Russia began to unite. Now both the Vedic Russians and Christians found a common language. By and large, they had nothing to argue about, much less kill each other. Now both of them looked at the West as a breeding ground for evil and discord, at the kingdom of demons, who, in order to conquer the Aryan-Rus world, perverted the true teaching of Christ and opposed it to the Vedic.
          The Church of St. Sergius of Radonezh denied the appeal "servant of God." Under St. Sergius, the Rus called themselves, as before in the Vedic time, the grandchildren of God. The power under Sergius of Radonezh was not from God, but from people and for just power it was necessary to fight, and if you were hit unfairly, then such a blow can be answered with a blow.
          1. Vtel
            Vtel April 11 2013 14: 16 New
            0
            This is a pagan utopia and nothing more. The true Church on Earth is one and it is Orthodox, created and led by God himself. The Bible must be read, not pagan occult-demonic interpretations. May God give us all reason and patience.
          2. shpuntik
            shpuntik April 11 2013 16: 07 New
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            alexandr00070 (2) Today, 01:51 ↑
            When will you understand that Sergius was not a simple follower of Christianity, but a man who created his church, which then will be safely ...

            Wow! Sergius of Radonezh-Magus! I haven’t heard this yet ... About yetis, green men, etc. I heard, but this concept for the first time. Have you been to the Trinity-Sergius Lavra, at the relics of the saint? Did they pray to him? If not, then take an Orthodox prayer book, find a prayer to the reverend and ask him to enlighten you in this matter. I am sure he will help you. Save me, God.
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 12 2013 21: 38 New
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              Quote: shpuntik
              Wow! Sergius of Radonezh-Magus! I haven’t heard this yet ... About yetis, green men, etc. I heard, but this concept for the first time. Have you been to the Trinity-Sergius Lavra, at the relics of the saint? Did they pray to him? If not, then take an Orthodox prayer book, find a prayer to the reverend and ask him to enlighten you in this matter. I am sure he will help you. Save me, God.

              Since this is news for you, I’m glad that I enlightened what you say is right, where lies, who prays, but you don’t understand the main thing, the Russian Orthodox Church as when the CPSU ascribes to itself the merits of great Russian people, and zealously excuses itself from the negative actions committed by Christians, as and in the party at one time (after all, the real communists shot), And about Sergius read other literature, there was a very interesting personality, you cannot oppose without studying the issue in detail
      2. Manager
        Manager April 10 2013 17: 33 New
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        Quote: Mitek
        Moreover, I personally got sick of church faces on Mercedes, Lexus,


        So you need to go to church not to mugs, but to God and saints. And do not confuse the church and people at all.
        1. Svobodny
          Svobodny April 10 2013 17: 56 New
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          Quote: Manager
          And do not confuse the church and people at all.

          There is no confusion here. The church is EXACTLY PEOPLE. There are at least 100 million of us. If you are baptized, you are the church.

          I believe that it is pointless to start a religious dispute. By the way, the article under discussion was written by the Russian philosopher I. Ilyin in the difficult year of 1942 ...
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 April 10 2013 18: 07 New
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            Quote: Svobodny
            The church is EXACTLY PEOPLE.

            And Russia is also people. And to believe in Russia is to believe in yourself.
            We can, we will succeed, there is only "Light and there is no darkness in it" ahead.
            Quote: Svobodny
            I believe a religious debate is pointless to start

            Better to do without it, I agree.
        2. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 15 New
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          Quote: Manager
          So you need to go to church not to mugs, but to God and saints. And do not confuse the church and people at all

          So the faces are where to get from the churches, they live below, you go there, and towards the father. Thick, in a black non-washed cassock, hair is poorly combed, goatee beard (how they grow it) dandruff on my shoulders (pardon me, for details, but as a rule it catches your eye) and after such an appearance, he starts to say something about the spiritual ,,,,,,,,,,,,, but it’s disgusting or grandmother’s soul, hide behind a little tent and wash all the bones to service, but in the eyes of that there is NO FAITH. elementary from boredom they left the house, ............. The monastery was not far away with domes, gilt, covered with wild stone, and the faithful of the whole district go to the old (converted from a residential building) a church with a zalchik 5x6 meters
          1. Vtel
            Vtel April 11 2013 14: 20 New
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            You would explain to me brother why Cain killed his brother Abel.
      3. Svobodny
        Svobodny April 10 2013 17: 52 New
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        Quote: Mitek
        church faces on mercy

        And what else do you "personally" are "sick of"? What does "church faces" mean? The Church is a hundred millionth baptized people! Many of us have Mercs and "even Bentleys". So what! ??
        1. itkul
          itkul April 10 2013 18: 20 New
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          Quote: Svobodny
          Many of us have Mercs and "even Bentleys". So what! ??


          And you, too, from these, from church faces
        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 April 10 2013 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Svobodny
          What does "church faces" mean?


          Say with a slut not live at least? Well, father needs a clean one!
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik April 10 2013 23: 57 New
            +1
            Say with a slut not live at least? Well, father needs a clean one!
            Speaking of cleanliness ... Do you know that married clergymen ("white" clergy) are allowed and ordained only on condition that the wife married a virgin?
        3. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Svobodny
          Many of us have Mercs and "even Bentleys". So what! ??

          I mean priests on Mercians, not baptized people. So you don't need to brag, because honestly you can't earn money on a Bentley, which means that the "baptized" somewhere has violated the commandments
      4. AntonR7
        AntonR7 April 10 2013 19: 26 New
        +2
        Faith in God cannot be replaced, I agree that the priests have forgotten that they should step aside from excesses, but in general religion is a plus, it teaches good.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 19: 40 New
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          Quote: AntonR7
          I agree that the priests have forgotten that they must step aside from excesses

          Do not confuse clerics and monks. clergymen are servants in temples and live in peace with us, have families and property, and their task is to teach us principles, rules of faith, of course their behavior should be at the level, but in most cases it is, do you often see drunken priests? I'm only in Elusive Avengers
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 24 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            Do not confuse clerics and monks. clerics are servants in temples and live in peace with us have families and property and their
      5. antidote
        antidote April 10 2013 20: 13 New
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        You yourself saw them or the liberals heard enough. That I did not see the village priests on a Mercedes, the prada is probably at the beginning of the 90s. But only in the families of priests there are a lot of children, and correctly raised. And how many children do you have? And you studied something yourself, you read the Gospel. Or did you study the liberals in retelling?
      6. Andrey57
        Andrey57 April 10 2013 20: 37 New
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        And you go one and a half hundred kilometers from the regional center in any direction, go to any poor rural temple and talk with the priest there, who has not only a Lexus, but he probably doesn’t have an oka, maybe look at Orthodoxy differently. hi
      7. Vtel
        Vtel April 11 2013 14: 10 New
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        Yes, the clergy are also not saints (saints in Heaven), therefore among them there are "traitors in robes", as Patriarch Kirill said about them, "For for your sake the name of God is blasphemed by the pagans", but there are also those who pray for the whole world and for Russia, and they do not need Mercy and Lexus. So, before looking for "fleas" in the Church, it's not bad to look into yourself.
        God is not in force, but in truth!
    3. antidote
      antidote April 10 2013 20: 08 New
      +7
      All the greatest victories of Russia were with the banner of Orthodoxy! Suvorov was a deeply religious man. Ushakov told the sailors to read Psalm 26 before the battle, and they always won and losses were minimal.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 10 2013 20: 15 New
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        Quote: antidot
        Suvorov was a deeply religious man. Ushakov told the sailors to read Psalm 26 before the battle, and they always won and losses were minimal.


        Hello Nikolai. You are absolutely right for some reason when we talk about faith everyone remembers priests at Mercier, and no one mentioned the Orthodox Saint Alexander Nevsky, and he saved the Motherland from slavery, by the way
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          Hello Nikolai. You are absolutely right for some reason when we talk about faith everyone remembers priests at Mercier, and no one mentioned the Orthodox Saint Alexander Nevsky, and he saved the Motherland from slavery, by the way


          substitute concepts, he was primarily a prince and leader of the country, but about the fact that he was a saint and had no idea, and if you remember his story, then the prince was invited to Alexander three times, that is, if necessary
          and about the saints, be careful, it’s not so simple either, the helmet of Alexander Nevsky take a closer look at the Arabic script and suras from the Koran on the helmet, there is an opinion on the account of KOGAN from Vladimir, also a saint
          1. AndreyAB
            AndreyAB April 11 2013 04: 49 New
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            And you do not admit that Arabic is one of the languages ​​of the former empire of that time, and Suleiman called the magnificent Orthodox believers, then there is nothing surprising in arabesques on the shelves of the great princes.
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 11 2013 08: 46 New
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            Quote: alexandr00070
            look at the Arabic script and suras from the Koran on a helmet, there is an opinion on the account of KOGAN from Vladimir, also a saint


            Everyone goes crazy in their own way, the real name of the helmet that you knowingly or unconsciously brought is the "Yerichon cap of Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich." That same Tsar Michael, who became the founder of the Romanov dynasty. So past
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 12 2013 22: 13 New
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              Quote: Vadivak
              Everyone goes crazy in their own way, the real name of the helmet that you knowingly or unconsciously brought is the "Yerichon cap of Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich." That same Tsar Michael, who became the founder of the Romanov dynasty. So past

              it’s very convenient to express your point of view, and to put unwanted comments on deletion, so it’s convenient to oppose (most of my comments have been deleted for you, although I write them so tolerantly that you can’t say about you, but your comments are in place. So in the country will be after the complete adoption of the law), AND BY YOUR STATEMENT I WILL TELL, THERE IS NOT ANYTHING ALWAYS TWO TRUTHS, but push the one that is convenient
              One of the helmets, kept under inventory number 4411, is considered one of the unique weapons of medieval craftsmen. Almost in all books and brochures devoted to the collection of the Armory, this helmet is necessarily noted and its image is given. Even a person who is only superficially familiar with medieval weapons will immediately define it as a helmet of clearly oriental work, moreover, from the region of Western or Central Asia, or the Middle East. Until the middle of the XNUMXth century, it was exhibited in the museum under the following name: "Helmet of Alexander Nevsky . Made of red copper, with Arabic inscription. Asian work of the times of the Crusades. Now located in the Moscow Kremlin. "
              According to legend, the Nevsky helmet was reforged in the XNUMXth century especially for Mikhail Fedorovich, the first king from the Romanovs. The court master Nikita Danilov supplemented it with precious stones. The updated helmet was named "Erichonsky cap of Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich." There was no modernization here - helmets in Russia were commonly called as Russian monarchs from the time of Ivan the Terrible loved to compare themselves with Joshua, the Old Testament king who took Jericho.

              It was described in the most detail by F.Ya. Mishutin and L.V. Pisarskaya, subsequent authors (I. Bobrovnitskaya, N. Vyueva, etc.) only used their descriptions. Let's look at their work. So, F.Ya. Mishutin writes: "According to ancient inscriptions, the damask helmet of Tsar Mikhail Romanov is called the cap of Yerikhon. The general shape of the helmet is traditionally oriental, but beautifully complicated and softened in Russian, in very smooth proportions. Traditional Russian ornament coexists with skillful Arabic inscriptions, crowns with eight-pointed Russian crosses on them: if we compare it with the finest works of eastern and western jewelers and gunsmiths of that time, then, undoubtedly, the superiority will remain with high technology, a sense of proportion and artistic design of the goldsmith Nikita Davydov "(quotation from the work : Mishukov F.Ya. Gold notch and inlay on ancient weapons. The State Armory Chamber of the Moscow Kremlin. Collection of scientific works based on the materials of the State Armory Chamber. Moscow, 1954, p. 115, 129).
              F. Mishukov, a meter of the Armory in the description of ornaments and inlays on weapons, was so embarrassed. And finally, the author, having finished the description with relief, gives the palm to "the goldsmith Nikita Davydov". However, he does not say why he decided that the helmet was made by this man. Running a little ahead, let us say that F. Mishukov could not say this, simply because there is no name of Nikita Davydov on the helmet, just as there is no name or any other Russian master.
              on the new photo Helmet "cap of Yerikhon" Turkey, XVI century. Damask steel, precious stones, turquoise, fabric, white metal Forging, chasing, gold notching, carving Diameter: 21,3 cm Belonged to Prince Fyodor Ivanovich Mstislavsky
              as they say feel the difference
              You can believe in legends, you can not believe in. You believe in bible characters
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 April 10 2013 20: 44 New
        +6
        Usak Pasha with a prayer did not lose a single battle for his entire service in the Navy hi
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 21 New
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          Quote: Andrey57
          Usak Pasha with a prayer did not lose a single battle for his entire service in the Navy

          + of course, the holy righteous warrior Theodor Ushakov and the Turks respectfully called him as you put it
    4. 120352
      120352 April 11 2013 01: 29 New
      0
      Russia is brought up in Orthodoxy and there is no getting away from it. According to the classification of S. Huntington, a professor at Harvard University, we belong to the Orthodox-Slavic civilization, and this means that these are two principles: Orthodoxy and Slavism are our foundation.
      As for other civilizations, primarily Islamic, they are alien to us. Compare for clarity. With us, in the New Testament, "For the Lord there is neither Greek nor Jew", that is, before God, everyone is equal. In the Koran, Sura 2 "The Cow" says that people are divided (we do not divide) into faithful and unfaithful. The disbelievers often try to look like the faithful, but "Allah will single them out, mock them and destroy them." The complete opposite of Christianity. Christianity is dominated by the idea of ​​forgiveness ("Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"), the possibility of a second chance, correction, this is not in Islam.
      Christianity is built on the 10 commandments of the Old Testament, based on the idea of ​​fear of God (I do this because I am afraid of God) and the Sermon on the Mount from the New Testament, built on the idea of ​​LOVE OF GOD (I do this because I love God). The Old Testament is the motivation of fear, avoidance of failures, which does not contribute to the development of personality, the New Testament is the Sermon on the Mount, the motivation of love, which makes a person the creator of himself and the world around him. In Christianity - 6 days of creation. Further, God entrusts the creation to man under his responsibility. In Islam, there is no trash, there is no semblance of the Sermon on the Mount, there are no ethical principles. Islam is unethical! Allah creates the world constantly, he is the creator of not only GOOD but also EVIL. Allah is the best liar, while the Christian God is TRUE, lies are impossible in Christianity. Everything that a Muslim does comes from Allah, by the will of Allah. Everything a Christian does lies with his personal conscience. By the way, in Islam there is neither love of God nor conscience. A Muslim has the right to lie if it suits him. The Christian is obliged to do what is right and speak the truth. "Do not steal" from us, from Muslims - a Muslim has the right to take everything that belongs to the infidels. Including the wife of the unfaithful, if he pleases her, for sexual pleasure.
      Since there are faithful and kyafirs, giaurs, i.e. we, the faithful, have the right to do with us as they please. Why are 80% of rape in our city committed by labor migrants (the remaining 20% ​​are unearned)? Because our women are non-Muslim, i.e. nobody at all, in relation to them you can do whatever you want. When committing a crime against a Russian, a Muslim does not recognize this. He is permitted by the Qur'an. And the Quran for him is much more important than our Constitution and Laws.
      They do not study Russian and do not become familiar with our culture. They don't need it. They came here to make their own caliphate and believe that we should speak their language. Naturally, we are not talking about any integration into our society, let alone assimilation. Apraksin Dvor turned into a recruiting base for Islamic militants, who in the "X" hour will simply cut us out in the name of Allah. And this will not be a crime for them!
      That we believe in Russia is wonderful! But soon in Russia, we run the risk of becoming DIMMY (ZIMMI) oppressed non-Muslim people. The migration policy of our (?) State and government in 3-5 years will deprive us of our homeland!
      One must believe in Russia actively! And for this we need to cleanse ourselves from an alien civilization to us, otherwise it will absorb and destroy both us and Russia.
    5. Tartary
      Tartary April 11 2013 05: 19 New
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      Quote: GG2012
      I believe in the Great and Prosperous future of secular Russia, without the dominant participation of any religion.
      The Army, Navy and Science are the pillars of Russia and the entire Slavic World.


      You forgot about FAITH - this is conscience, spirit, mercy, valor - given to Russia by God!

      In other words: - God is with us and four machine guns!
    6. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 11 2013 11: 44 New
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      Quote: GG2012
      without the dominant involvement of any religion


      Do not dissemble you God interferes with life as you want, and not as the commandments require
  2. rpek32
    rpek32 April 10 2013 17: 13 New
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    I would now be cautious with statements about faith and religion. A new senile law came out on the protection of the rights of the feelings of believers.

    In general, what to believe in if not in yourself and your land?
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal April 10 2013 17: 24 New
      +8
      Trust in God! And of course in yourself!
    2. does it
      does it April 10 2013 17: 27 New
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      Quote: rpek32
      I would now be cautious with statements about faith and religion. A new senile law came out on the protection of the rights of the feelings of believers.

      I completely agree with you, but on my own I will add an article next advertisement of the Russian Orthodox Church ....
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny April 10 2013 17: 57 New
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        Quote: kvirit
        rcp advertising

        2000-year-old true faith does not need advertising)))
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 44 New
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          Quote: Svobodny
          2000-year-old true faith does not need advertising)))

          Well, if in Russia from 1000 le, and the true, as you put it, originates much further in time, from Judaism, and only lives with the help of advertising (remember the fairy tale how Vladimir chose a religion if it weren’t for advertising, I don’t even know who would they pray to now)
          1. 120352
            120352 April 11 2013 11: 44 New
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            Forgive me, dear, but your "clipping from the propaganda poster" is fundamentally false. Islam is anti-Christianity, anti-Buddhism, anti-Jainism. This is generally not a religion, but the doctrine of terrorism. Read the Quran and you will understand everything. Try to compare it with the Bible - you will see that these things are incomparable and opposite!
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 12 2013 22: 55 New
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              Quote: 120352
              Forgive me, dear, but your "clipping from the propaganda poster" is fundamentally false. Islam is anti-Christianity, anti-Buddhism, anti-Jainism. This is generally not a religion, but the doctrine of terrorism. Read the Quran and you will understand everything. Try to compare it with the Bible - you will see that these things are incomparable and opposite!

              As it’s not fair, my comments for lesser expressions are deleted, and here you are incited with impunity, so on account of lies, you probably read the Qur'an and the Bible, but most likely not because there is a similarity directly on the surface

              Islam is a relatively young religion. From the point of view of a number of European and American scholars, it was a syncretic religion that absorbed elements of pre-Islamic ancient beliefs and cults of Arabs, Hanifism, Judaism, Christianity and Mazdeism [4].

              Christianity and Islam are two branches of the same religion - Judaism. Christianity first appeared and, in about 610, Islam. Initially, Christianity, like Islam, was faithful (orthodox) - strict adherence to any religion. In foreign sources they write like this: Russian Orthodox Church.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 10 2013 19: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: kvirit
        article another advertisement of the Russian Orthodox Church ....


        Your words from the evil one, the martyr for the faith of Christ is also an advertisement?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 10 2013 21: 11 New
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          Quote: Vadivak
          Your words from the evil one, the martyr for the faith of Christ is also an advertisement?

          And who is the martyr here?
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 00 New
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            Quote: Setrac
            And who is the martyr here?


            Little did Jehovah in the 30s kill priests simply because priests?
            1. does it
              does it April 11 2013 00: 41 New
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              Quote: Vadivak
              Little did Jehovah in the 30s kill priests simply because priests?

              Priests and clergy in the service of the interventionists From the very beginning of the revolution, priests conducted frantic agitation against the soviets from the very beginning of the revolution. They finally became insolent under the auspices of the interventionists.

              From the very first day, with the arrival of the British in Arkhangelsk, a wild, undisguised whistle of the clergy against the hated Soviet power and the Bolsheviks began, and along with this - servile praises to the allies.

              In the first, published with the white issue of "Diocesan Vedomosti", the priests congratulate the believers on the fall of Soviet power.

              “The godless power of the Bolshevik party in the city of Arkhangelsk and the province fell. Its leaders shamefully fled in the face of an angry people. The allies, the British, the French, the Americans, the Serbs have arrived and are calling to fight against a common enemy. Rise to the defense of the homeland! Do not wait for the recruitment order. Go yourself free will! “- the clergy made this appeal to the faithful flock.

              On August 18, 1918, in Arkhangelsk, on Cathedral Square (now Oktyabrskaya Square), a solemn thanksgiving service was held with the participation of processions of the cross from all parishes and, in general, the city clergy "on the occasion of the deliverance of the city from violence and a change of government." authorities, city government, foreign envoys, commander-in-chief General Pul and allied troops. ”At this prayer service, the" word "was pronounced by the famous in the history of the northern counter-revolution, Archpriest John Lyalukhin.

              In this, filled with fierce hatred for the working class and the Bolsheviks, the "word" of Archpriest. Lyalyukhin called on the audience "to thank heaven for getting rid of the power of the government, which consisted of dishonest traitors to their native land and rapists who robbed and killed our civilian population."

              In his speech, he expressed the general opinion of the whole pack of priests, the bourgeoisie and the philistines of Arkhangelsk, when, choking with delight, he said:

              - Joy passed into delight when our noble allies who arrived to us left the ships of the land of our city.

              Lyalyuhin ended his “word" with an appeal:

              - My relatives! Hurry to save Russia. In the name of God, let’s go fight the insidious enemy, the strangler of truth. Become under the national banner!

              So the clergy opposed the Soviet government, so it called to fight against the dictatorship of the proletariat.

              This "word" by Lyalukhin was not only fully printed in the then White Guard newspaper Severnoye Utro, but also published as a separate brochure in Russian, English and French for distribution among the population and troops.

              Priests staged for every reason countless religious processions and celebrations dedicated to the Allies.

              The clergy also did not fail to use the Christmas holiday in 1919 for frantic agitation against the Soviet regime and the Bolshevik party.

              While hundreds of imprisoned workers and peasants languished in prisons, on the islands of Mudyug and Yokang, while counterintelligence was rampant, shooting tens and hundreds of the best representatives of the workers and peasants of the North on “mosses”. region, - at http://www.pastar.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=462:popy-i-cer

              kovniki-na-sluzhbe-u-interventov & catid = 57: v-bojah-za-sever & Itemid = 67
              1. 120352
                120352 April 11 2013 11: 47 New
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                So do not summarize. Following your logic, we can conclude that all the generals of our army and navy are traitors like Vlasov. Cheap receiver Russophobe.
            2. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 47 New
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              Quote: Vadivak
              Little did Jehovah in the 30s kill priests simply because priests?

              It’s very funny if you recall the bonfires of the Inquisition (and don’t say a hundred, we didn’t burn, we still burned) so someone had to answer, no matter how ugly it sounded
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak April 11 2013 08: 54 New
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                Quote: alexandr00070
                It’s very funny if you recall the bonfires of the Inquisition (and don’t say a hundred, we didn’t burn, even as they burned


                We burned, burned a dozen sorcerers, and they wouldn’t hurt to tame them even now
                1. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 April 12 2013 23: 24 New
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                  Quote: Vadivak
                  We burned, burned a dozen sorcerers, and they wouldn’t hurt to tame them even now

                  not sorcerers, but sorcerers (even a witch is translated from Russian as a leading mother) and sorcerers, but I'm not talking about those millions of people killed at baptism, I'm talking about later victims, Old Believers and Old Believers, that's just a little

                  In the annals of 1438, the “Holy Rules of the Holy Apostles” are mentioned (meaning the distorted 63rd rule of the Third Council of Constantinople, which indicates the burning of “tales of the martyrs, enemies of the truth falsely drawn up”), according to which “they are filled with fire by someone who is alive or alive in the earth” for heresy (another option: "The holy rules of the divine law of the holy apostles command such a church of a libertine to burn it with fire or to bury a living person in the ground"). [9]

                  The period from the beginning of the XV to the end of the XVI century is characterized by major changes in the entire system of Russian criminal law. Laws of 1497 and 1550 appear, providing for a wider application of the death penalty compared to previous legal acts. However, the form itself is not specified in its execution; Lawyers only indicate the general formula - “execute the death penalty”.

                  In 1504, Abbot Joseph Volotsky was one of the convicts of the "heresy of the Judaizers." The number of those burned is unknown, the chronicler lists eight people by name, but adds “and many other heretics who burned.” [12]
                  In 1569, the carpenters of Neupokoy, Danila, and Mikhail were burned for eating veal prohibited by church rules, and in August 1575 15 witches were burned in Novgorod (“the witches say”). [15]
                  Punishment in the form of burning alive in a log-house for blasphemy became common under Patriarch Job (1589-1605), who himself in one of his writings approved the execution of pagan priests [16].
                  The following events leading to mass executions were the church reform of Patriarch Nikon (1650–1660), as well as the Church Council (1666), in which the Old Believers and all non-submitting churches were anathematized and declared worthy of “corporal” execution.
                  In 1671, Old Believer Ivan Krasulin was burned in the Pechenga monastery. [26]
                  In 1671 - 1672, the Old Believers Abraham, Isaiah, Semenov were burned in Moscow. [26] [27]
                  1675 year. Fourteen Old Believers, seven men and seven women, were burned in Hlynov (Vyatka) - An enumeration of the Novgorod order from the Vyatka governor A.P. Naryshkin's letters about the schismatics caught in the Vyatka district, 1675
                  Shortly afterwards, on April 14, 1682, the Old Believers Archpriest Avvakum and three of his prisoners were burned: Theodore, Epiphanius and Lazarus. In addition, the writings of Habakkuk preserved information about the burning of about a hundred more Old Believers. [31]

                  On October 22, 1683, secular authorities sentenced to burn the Old Believer Varlaam. [32] In 1684 Tsarevna Sofya Alekseevna signed a decree “... on punishing those who scatter and accept heresies and schisms,” if “... they will persevere with torture, but they won’t bring the conquest of the holy church ...” “... there will be no question of triple execution submit, burn. ”[33] In the same year, the Old Believer preacher Andronik was burned (“Togo, Andronik, for the Evo against the holy and life-giving cross of Christ and the Evo Church, the holy reproach to execute, burn”). [34]

                  Foreigners testified that on Easter 1685, at the direction of Patriarch Joachim, they burned about ninety schismatics in log cabins. [35]

                  V. Tatishchev (1686-1750), a Russian historian and statesman, wrote in 1733:

                  Nikon and his heirs, over the mad schismatics, fulfilling their ferocity, many thousands burned and chopped, or expelled from the state. [36]
                  Patriarch Joachim died in 1690, and after his death, the burning, which had happened regularly before, ceased for a long time.
                  1. alexandr00070
                    alexandr00070 April 12 2013 23: 35 New
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                    Quote: alexandr00070
                    We burned, burned a dozen sorcerers,

                    Burning in a log house is a type of execution that arose in the Russian state in the XNUMXth century, especially often applied to Old Believers in the XNUMXth century, and was used by them as a way of suicide in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries.

                    Burning as a method of execution was often used in Russia in the XNUMXth century during the time of Ivan the Terrible. Unlike Western Europe, in Russia those sentenced to burning were executed not at the stake, but in the log cabins, which avoided the conversion of such executions into mass spectacles.

                    The log house was a small log structure filled with tow and resin. Built specifically at the time of execution. After reading the sentence, the suicide bomber was pushed into the log house through the door. Often a blockhouse was made without a door and a roof - a structure like a plank fence; in this case, the convict was lowered into him from above. After that, the log house was set on fire. Sometimes the bound suicide bomber was thrown inside an already burning log house.

                    In the XVII century, Old Believers were often executed in log cabins. Thus, the archpriest Avvakum was burned with his three associates (April 1 (11), 1681, Pustozersk), the German mystic Kvirin Kuhlman (1689, Moscow), and also, as the Old Believers say [what?], He is an active opponent of the reforms of the patriarch Nikon Bishop Pavel Kolomensky (1656).

                    In the XVIII century a sect took shape, the followers of which honored death through self-immolation by spiritual deed and necessity. Usually self-immolation in log cabins was practiced in anticipation of repressive actions by the authorities. When soldiers appeared, the sectarians locked themselves in a prayer house and set fire to it without entering into negotiations with government officials.

                    The last burning that was known in Russian history occurred in Kamchatka in the 1770s: a wooden sorceress was burned in a wooden log house by order of the captain of the Tengin fortress Shmalev. [1]
              2. 120352
                120352 April 11 2013 11: 49 New
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                There were no Inquisition bonfires in Russia. Historical fact. The Inquisition is a product of Catholicism, and in Russia there has always been Orthodoxy!
                1. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 April 12 2013 23: 28 New
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                  Quote: 120352
                  There were no Inquisition bonfires in Russia. Historical fact. The Inquisition is a product of Catholicism, and in Russia there has always been Orthodoxy!

                  I will continue for the ignoramus
                  In the legislation of the Russian Empire of the XVIII century, the article of the Cathedral Code of 1649 was in force: “Whoever the Gentiles of any faith, or a Russian person will blame the Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, or the Virgin who gave birth to him and the Virgin Mary, or honest cross, or on his saints saints and about that seek all sorts of detectives firmly. Let it be found out secretly about that, and that blasphemer convicting, executing, burning ”[37].
                  On November 29, 1714, in Moscow on Red Square, a heretic Fyodor Ivanov was burned in a log house, chopping down the icon. The sentence was signed by representatives of secular authorities (members of the Moscow Senate Chancellery Y. F. Dolgorukov and Saltykov). Before this, on October 24, 1714, the Church Council, headed by the locum tenens of the patriarchal throne, Stefan Yavorsky, excommunicated Fedor Ivanov from the church, cursed and handed down for execution to the city court. [40]

                  In 1721, deacon Vasily Yefimov was burned for blasphemy by imperial decree, who arranged a fake miracle so that “they were adherent to the dispensation of the church.” For some reason, the Holy Synod insisted that the bones that survived the first execution be burned [41].

                  In 1730, the 19-year-old soldier Philip Sizimin [37] and the courtyard Ivan Stolyar [42] were burned for “blasphemy”.

                  March 18, 1736 in Simbirsk for heresy and witchcraft was burned Posad official Yakov Yarov, engaged in medicine, [42] [43]; it is interesting that he was the ancestor of V. I. Lenin [39].

                  On July 15, 1738, a retired lieutenant captain Voznitsin was publicly burned with the participation of Empress Anna Ioannovna in St. Petersburg on charges of transferring to Judaism along with his "seducer" Jew Boruch Leibov [44] [42].

                  In total, in 1738, 6 executions took place in Russia through burning [42]; two women were also executed (burned in a log house because holy secrets were spit out during the liturgy - the court referred to the Cathedral Code of 1649) and Archpriest Ivan Fedosiev for blasphemy.

                  On April 20, 1738, the Bashkir Toygild Zhulyakov was burned in Yekaterinburg for returning from Orthodoxy to Islam. The death sentence was pronounced by Vasily Tatishchev, then the head of the Main Mining Chancellery: “for baptizing, he accepted the Pacts of the Mahometan law - to fear others, when all the baptized Tatars were gathered, burn ...” [45] [42]

                  April 30, 1739 for returning to Islam, the baptized 60-year-old Bashkir Kisyabika (Katerina) Bayryasova was burned [46] [47].

                  The last death sentence in Russia by burning was passed to Andrei Kozitsyn in Yarensk in December 1762. Kozitsyn was convicted of witchcraft for "executing the death by compression in a log house" at the "assembly of the people" [45]. However, the Arkhangelsk Provincial Chancellery did not approve the verdict, since a decree of the Senate of September 30, 1754 and October 14, 1760 introduced a moratorium on the death penalty; for Kozitsin, the death penalty was replaced by hard labor. For comparison, the last burning of a living person in Europe by a court verdict occurred in 1785 (Switzerland) [45].

                  By the way, the accusation of witchcraft of an objectionable church people is comparable to the accusation as an enemy of the people in the 30s in the USSR, and how many innocents were there
          2. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 48 New
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            Quote: Setrac
            And who is the martyr here?

            probably Nicholas II
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 11 2013 13: 26 New
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              Quote: alexandr00070
              probably Nicholas II

              Was he tortured or simply shot?
              1. alexandr00070
                alexandr00070 April 12 2013 23: 40 New
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                Quote: Setrac
                Was he tortured or simply shot?

                ranked as martyrs
          3. 120352
            120352 April 11 2013 11: 45 New
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            There are no martyrs. Anyway, bye. Martyr is Christ!
        2. does it
          does it April 11 2013 00: 49 New
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          Quote: Vadivak
          Quote: kvirit
          article another advertisement of the Russian Orthodox Church ....


          Your words from the evil one, the martyr for the faith of Christ is also an advertisement?

          I'm an atheist! and I believe that the future of Russia is for intelligent people moving science forward. and not for priests ..
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 11 2013 08: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: kvirit
            I'm an atheist! and I believe that the future of Russia belongs to intellectual people


            It was already in Europe, ended with the freedom of same-sex life
            1. 120352
              120352 April 11 2013 11: 56 New
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              Respect! Exactly!
            2. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 12 2013 23: 42 New
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              Quote: Vadivak
              It was already in Europe, ended with the freedom of same-sex life

              that is, there’s nothing else you can say about Europe, it’s your only merit
          2. 120352
            120352 April 11 2013 11: 55 New
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            Your atheism is your error. It seemed to me up to 50 years old that I was an atheist. But he wised up over the years. Not everyone succeeds. The burden of stereotypes of communist education is very heavy.
            At one time A. Einstein said: "If God did not exist, he should have been invented." And he also said: "Science without religion is dead, religion without science is blind." Consider the thought of a great intellectual.
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 12 2013 23: 44 New
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              Quote: 120352
              Your atheism is your error. It seemed to me up to 50 years old that I was an atheist. But he wised up over the years. Not everyone succeeds. The burden of stereotypes of communist education is very heavy.

              that is, you lit a conscious life not in a childish way, but in old age you are trying to pray for sins
    3. Egoza
      Egoza April 10 2013 17: 43 New
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      Quote: rpek32
      A new senile law came out on the protection of the rights of the feelings of believers.

      Why "senile"? At least according to this law it will be possible to judge all sorts of pigs and feminines! After all, there is no other way to take them, because "democracy and freedom of speech!" so at least so pinch them.
      1. rpek32
        rpek32 April 10 2013 18: 06 New
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        Why "marasmic"

        because it is one-sided. funny, are the rights of atheists and agnostics protected in the same way from aggressive representatives of their confessions? For example, I do not mind any "street preachers" as they say "the same and in the same place" hit, let's say.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 50 New
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          Quote: rpek32
          because it is one-sided. funny, are the rights of atheists and agnostics protected in the same way from aggressive representatives of their confessions? For example, I do not mind any "street preachers" as they say "the same and in the same place" hit, let's say.

          the rights of unbelievers at stake
      2. zart_arn
        zart_arn April 10 2013 20: 28 New
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        Good evening! How do you assess the possibility of combining communist ideas and Orthodoxy?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 20: 34 New
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          Quote: zart_arn
          Good evening! How do you assess the possibility of combining the communist idea and Orthodoxy


          Positive, like everything utopian.
          1. zart_arn
            zart_arn April 10 2013 20: 53 New
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            Those. admit or not admit in principle?
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 03 New
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              Quote: zart_arn
              Those. admit or not admit in principle?


              Once upon a time there was a paradise on earth, but man managed to be expelled from it. No, of course, you will still find your own Judah Gorbachev. You see, it is so clear that God himself was with us and betrayed him, and here’s the idea, they’ll betray him. even here there are so many comers
        2. Orik
          Orik April 10 2013 20: 58 New
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          Complete combination, only not of the "communist idea", but of social ideals. Under Stalin, the gap between the rich and the poor was 3,26 times, the primacy of intangible values, self-limitation of consumption, good all-round education that grows a person-creator, health care, attitude to power as a service "let the greatest of you be your servant" and so on, only without socialist pride. The fall of the Orthodox Russian Empire is also associated with the deviation from God and the gospel spirit by all estates!
          1. zart_arn
            zart_arn April 10 2013 21: 05 New
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            As for social ideals, I absolutely disagree. The basis of the social ideals of the communist idea was the victory of the world revolution, i.e. violence, calls for social hatred against love for one's neighbor, etc.
            The similarity of social ideals is actually only apparent, imaginary.
            1. Orik
              Orik April 10 2013 21: 57 New
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              You know how to read, it says "not a communist idea"! In fact, the similarity was 90% percent, remember the code of the builder of communism, only without God. What worked for destruction was hammered together with the Judas Trotsky and Co.
              1. zart_arn
                zart_arn April 10 2013 22: 02 New
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                I’m talking about social ideals, you won’t erase words from a song.
                Only my simple question is - is it possible in our country to be an Orthodox Christian and a communist at the same time?
                1. Orik
                  Orik April 10 2013 23: 59 New
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                  No need to think in cliches. Here the meanings are important. What do you mean by Orthodoxy and communism?
        3. morpex
          morpex April 10 2013 22: 30 New
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          Quote: zart_arn
          Good evening! How do you assess the possibility of combining communist ideas and Orthodoxy?

          The moral code of the builder of communism is almost the same Scripture. I just didn’t have to oppose God to fight against it. Fighting with Orthodoxy in Russia was practically a struggle against our own people. As for me it was the main mistake of the communists. Stalin understood this by the way .. It’s a bit late, but I realized. It seems to me that the USSR would have achieved much more if it had been in the same bridle with Orthodoxy. Ehh! What to guess now ... We farted all the same ...
          1. zart_arn
            zart_arn April 10 2013 22: 42 New
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            Good evening! Good, Christian answer. Your comment contains the answer - what is the main antagonism of the communist idea and Orthodoxy - IN GOD'S DENIAL, everything else (not in your words, of course, but in the ideals of the communist idea) is an attempt to cover up with good intentions (with which, as you know, the road to hell is lined ) its demonic essence.
          2. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 12 New
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            Quote: morpex
            The moral code of the builder of communism is almost the same Scripture
        4. rpek32
          rpek32 April 11 2013 02: 59 New
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          Quote: zart_arn
          Good evening! How do you assess the possibility of combining communist ideas and Orthodoxy?

          But what actually bothers? religion is spiritual laws, and the state system is state laws. what should prevent them from coexisting together?
        5. 120352
          120352 April 11 2013 12: 06 New
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          But Orthodoxy, and indeed Christianity, is it not communism? I do not mean church activity. It began by canonizing only 4 gospels - testimonies of the life and death of Christ, although there were about fifty of them. It’s just that in these four it was easier to mystify the figure of the Savior, to make it less accessible and more mysterious. Having a secret makes managing people easier. The church, as an institution, is a mechanism of power. In Christianity, the main thing is the 10 commandments and the Sermon on the Mount. Actually, the whole New Testament is based on the Sermon on the Mount and the crucifixion of Christ. The rest is his deeds, in which the ideas of the Sermon on the Mount are embodied. For modern people, this is an ethical foundation that dark forces, anti-Russian forces are trying to blur and rock. And this, alas, they succeed. We become more rude, often evil, less responsive and able to help the needy. If this trend develops into a trend, then our days are numbered.
      3. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 12 2013 23: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        Why "senile"?

        just in order to justify the use of criminal punishment, they came up with a law that still smells of the Inquisition
    4. Orik
      Orik April 10 2013 20: 51 New
      +1
      It is all from a proud mind. You do not believe in that Russia.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn April 10 2013 20: 57 New
        0
        The question is simple and open, I personally see that the first and second are incompatible, and what will the rest say?
        1. 120352
          120352 April 11 2013 12: 19 New
          -1
          The main idea of ​​Christianity is the idea of ​​the equality of people before God ("For the Lord, there is neither Greek nor Jew"), as a kind of absolute, the personification of the common good. At the heart of the communist idea there is no word "God", and everything else is the same. The human spiritual world develops, the essence remains the same: Truth-Good-Beauty, forms of expression evolve. Or does someone want to get rid of Truth_Good-Beauty as a divine principle?
          The essence of God is the desire for the embodiment of divine qualities in man. Man is not absolute, therefore he will never become equal with God.
          By the way, at first I wanted to put the word "God" in quotation marks, since I myself am not religious, but without a moral Ideal a person will slide into the state of a cattle.
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 12 2013 23: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: 120352
            The main idea of ​​Christianity is the idea of ​​the equality of people before God ("For the Lord, there is neither Greek nor Jew"), as a kind of absolute, the personification of the common good. At the heart of the communist idea there is no word "God", and everything else is the same. The human spiritual world develops, the essence remains the same: Truth-Good-Beauty, forms of expression evolve. Or does someone want to get rid of Truth_Good-Beauty as a divine principle?
            The essence of God is the desire for the embodiment of divine qualities in man. Man is not absolute, therefore he will never become equal with God.
            By the way, at first I wanted to put the word "God" in quotation marks, since I myself am not religious, but without a moral Ideal a person will slide into the state of a cattle.


            I'm interested in the nickname "120352" - this is the number in the payroll of the "Jehovah's Witnesses" as it painfully your speeches remind of their agitation
      2. 120352
        120352 April 11 2013 12: 42 New
        0
        Everyone has their own Russia. There is "unity in diversity". All highly artistic patriotic literary works have been written about this diverse unity. Remember, for example, Simonov and Yesenin. Vasil Bykov and Boris Lvovich Vasiliev, who recently left us. Each of them has its own Russia. It is this diversity of perception and love for Russia that gives it multifaceted features, making it unique and unique for us.
        So, Orik, it will not be possible to work out a single charter of love for the Fatherland.
        As for Proud Mind. Separate the concepts of "Pride" and "Pride" (the church identifies these concepts). Pride is a natural inner feeling experienced by a person at the moment of overcoming himself and reaching a qualitatively new level of development. A child who was afraid of the dark entered a dark room for the first time - is this not a reason for pride? The C grade got an A. You are parachuting for the first time. I don't even try to convey the whole range of experiences preceding the jump. Some, having flown in an airplane with parachutes behind their backs, return to the ground in an airplane, some overcome their natural fear of heights and make this first jump. Is this not a reason for pride? Note that in each case, this pride is experienced without prejudice to others, but adds faith in your own capabilities, in yourself!
        What is pride? This desire is to prove not to oneself, but to people around you that they are superior to them, which can injure people. (Five of a triple, or your parachute jump does not offend or infringe on anyone). Do you feel the difference?
        At one time, around the beginning of the 90s, I wrote a whole book about this, but the circulation was very small, because then everything was published at the expense of the authors. Now this book is a bibliographic rarity, I didn’t even have an author's paper copy, only an electronic version, and it could be useful to many mistaken people. There will be a reissue soon. There is a request.
  3. smart ass
    smart ass April 10 2013 17: 15 New
    +5
    Army, Navy, SCIENCE, spiritual education

    The spiritual foundations of moral education

    The religious foundations of morality. Christian ethics. good and evil

    The main task of spiritual and moral education

    Raising a love of God in a child

    Nurturing a child's self-love

    Raising a child's love for other people
  4. horoh
    horoh April 10 2013 17: 18 New
    11
    Strange question: Why do we believe in Russia? This is our HOMELAND guys !!!!!
    1. 120352
      120352 April 11 2013 12: 47 New
      0
      And we have ONE, the other will not be!
  5. nemec55
    nemec55 April 10 2013 17: 20 New
    +7
    At the moment, I have such sorrow, Why Serdyuk and his retinue, Gorbi and the rest of the corrupt thieves and embezzlers, are not sitting, And faith will naturally be, it’s not us to steal from such idiots, so we are left to collective farmers.
  6. smel
    smel April 10 2013 17: 22 New
    +2
    In listing the reasons why we believe in our country, it should also be noted that Russia knows how to win. And despite all the problems encountered in her path, she can overcome them and be updated.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg April 10 2013 20: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: smel
      In listing the reasons why we believe in our country, it should also be noted that Russia knows how to win. And despite all the problems encountered in her path, she can overcome them and be updated.

      You just said it like a phoenix (or semurg) bird. Believe in your Homeland, because the Motherland is you all together and is the Motherland through your ancestors to you, and from you to your children. Believe in God because the good that is in us is and there is a particle of God that has been inherited from our ancestors and will be passed on to our children.
  7. sibircat
    sibircat April 10 2013 17: 30 New
    +6
    I believe in God, I wear a cross! But I do not need intermediaries between my soul and God. Yes, and doubts take that Vera in the "guides" more than my conscience.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 10 2013 17: 35 New
      -4
      Our faith most right
      1. Manager
        Manager April 10 2013 17: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: Clever man
        Our faith is the most correct

        Well, let's start with the fact that it is not right but right.
        Further, do not dare to interfere with faith and people!
        And finally, amateurs and atheists generally ask not to get into this topic.
        At least on this site!
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 10 2013 17: 53 New
          +2
          I am a believer and did not want to insult anyone, I just would like to understand why there is only one faith, but what is the difference? After all, faith, is it not in gold trinkets?
          1. Svobodny
            Svobodny April 10 2013 18: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Clever man
            I’d just like to understand why there is one faith, but is there such a difference?

            And what exactly do you want to understand? What difference did you see on this dumb demotivator? You brainwashed elementary. Sorry, of course, but you were foolishly led. Well, think for yourself why the Patriarch should lead a hermit lifestyle, walk in rags and walk. His schedule is scheduled every minute !! He needs a car! What nonsense ?! You didn’t call yourself a Wise Man for a reason, you’re an intelligent person, what are you doing on rotten anti-church, anti-Russian propaganda, and even breed it on a patriotic site? I would have removed the comment from the demotivator in your place. I am sure you understand me perfectly. Here, read: there are about the CLOCK, and about START, and about MERSA with Lexus: http://www.foma.ru/pod-vlastyu-mentalnogo-virusa-ili-kak-otlichit-vbros-ot-novos
            ti.html

            We are thinking people!
            1. tor11121
              tor11121 April 10 2013 18: 50 New
              +3
              anti-church does not mean anti-Russian. it is not necessary to bring everything together. atheism is quite normal.
              1. antidote
                antidote April 10 2013 20: 21 New
                +3
                That's how atheists from the beginning of the 20th century actively and ruined the Russian Empire
                1. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 05 New
                  +3
                  Quote: antidot
                  That's how atheists from the beginning of the 20th century actively and ruined the Russian Empire

                  If you smoked a history book, then I’ll explain to you that Russia, at the beginning of the 20th century, was destroyed not by atheists, but by adherents of a few, but very harmful nationality and religion. Almost a hundred percent of the revolutionaries themselves were either adherents of this religion or their wife, and so they didn’t feel sorry for them at all, neither our people nor the church of the churchmen. They are now on horseback
                2. tor11121
                  tor11121 April 12 2013 08: 31 New
                  +2
                  that is, they mixed plans of the church to interfere in the affairs of the state. depriving part of power and money. church and god are very different concepts. the church promises atonement for sins. simpler deviations from generally accepted norms of human behavior, not free of course, is based on human fear and ignorance. With regard to faith, you can believe in anything, the universal mind. Information field, God ... just a definition. everyone has their own cockroaches in their heads. I apologize in advance. if his statement offended the feelings of believers.
              2. 120352
                120352 April 11 2013 13: 09 New
                +1
                You are mistaken. The only institution uniting Russian people is the Russian Orthodox Church. Indicate another if I'm wrong. The state is pursuing an anti-Russian course, and this is obvious, pro-Russian organizations are called them fascist, while many nationalist organizations and fraternities operate legally in the country. The same Vladimir Solovyov is a member of the board of the World Jewish Congress. Remember the story with the Sputnik cinema and the cemetery near it, where the Azerbaijanis were going to build another multi-storey glass? Who was at the head of this venture? Head of the Azerbaijani Diaspora, I don’t remember my last name. And we, besides the Russian Orthodox Church, have nothing else left. Don't like how she works? let's negotiate with her.
                It is also important that until relatively recently, religion was more important than ethnic origin, both in terms of individual communication and in terms of "social lifts". Remember our writer and historian Karamzin. His ancestor was the Tatar Kara-Murza, who converted to Christianity. Or the famous Yusupov family. Vitus Bering spoke Russian very badly, but he was baptized into Orthodoxy and considered himself Russian. The same happened with V.I. Dahl, the author of the Dictionary of the "Living Great Russian Language" And such examples are countless.
                Remember the Russian Tsar Boris Godunov? It comes from the Tatar Murza (Prince) Chet. Chet left the horde in 1329 to the Grand Duke of Moscow Ivan Kalita, having previously adopted Orthodoxy. Metropolitan Peter baptized him. It was he, Chet, in the baptism of Zachariah, who built the Ipatiev Monastery in Kostroma. Examples can be given further, although everything is clear already.
                Man does not live outside the spirit, but this spirit is the church.
                1. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 April 13 2013 00: 07 New
                  0
                  Quote: 120352
                  they proclaimed pro-Russian organizations as fascist, while at the same time many nationalist organizations and fraternities operate legally in the country.

                  you say the right words
                  Quote: 120352
                  And we, besides the Russian Orthodox Church, have nothing else left. Don't like how she works? let's negotiate with her.

                  How will you hear Kirril, who seized the apartment of his brother-priest (in the world of a former doctor and minister Shevchenko) for dust -20 million ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, under Alexy
                  I still went to church, and now looking at the behavior of the Russian Orthodox Church is disgusting. Cyril will leave (but he will not leave) maybe something would have changed, and the Russian Orthodox Church is doomed to it
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist April 10 2013 22: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: Svobodny
              Well, think for yourself why the Patriarch should lead a hermit lifestyle, walk in rags and walk. His schedule is scheduled every minute !!


              Yes, if only because Christ barefoot slapped the desert, and refused honors. And his students, too, are not seen in luxury. So I do not blame either the patriarch or the priests, but often I have questions about what the modern reincarnation of the Orthodox Church is like.
              I am personally Orthodox, baptized, but to pray - so to God, and not to the patriarch.
              1. anarh
                anarh April 11 2013 00: 34 New
                -1
                And what happened that they prayed to the patriarch?
                Or maybe they saw those who prayed?
                1. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: anarh
                  And what happened that they prayed to the patriarch?
                  Or maybe they saw those who prayed?

                  in our country, not only the patriarch but also some leaders are prayed only if their power was longer
              2. Vtel
                Vtel April 11 2013 14: 35 New
                -1
                He is also a patriarch, and they don’t pray to him, but God can pray for him, God may have mercy on us, for our pride and condemnation. May God give us all health, wisdom and faith!
            3. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Svobodny
              Well, think for yourself why the Patriarch should lead a hermit lifestyle, walk in rags and walk. His schedule is scheduled every minute !!

              Even PAPA has a papomobile and that’s all, and let him determine the schedule of communication with God by church bells
              1. Svobodny
                Svobodny April 11 2013 06: 43 New
                -1
                Quote: alexandr00070
                let it be identified by church bells

                I believe he will figure out how to determine your schedule without you. I suggest to take care of yourself.
          2. shpuntik
            shpuntik April 10 2013 21: 23 New
            0
            Here, how to turn - if there is a patriarch in ragged trousers, walking barefoot, then he will be told: "Listen, what kind of God do you have, what can't he wear?" And, in general, it is better to start with yourself. If they were caught in pederasty, like Catholic cardinals (about 70 people), then yes, he is not worthy of grazing spiritual sheep. Well, and the gold-horseradish would be with him, that little of it was washed off the domes after the revolution? Whole factories were smelted ...
            [media = http: //vk.com/video101645514_162361393]
          3. anarh
            anarh April 11 2013 00: 28 New
            0
            Come on.
            I am not me, and a handful is not mine.
          4. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: Clever man
            I am a believer and did not want to insult anyone, I just would like to understand why there is only one faith, but what is the difference? After all, faith, is it not in gold trinkets?

            well why
      2. Svobodny
        Svobodny April 10 2013 17: 59 New
        0
        Your essence is on your avatar, Nerd ... Feel the difference!
      3. morpex
        morpex April 10 2013 22: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Clever man
        Our faith is the most correct


        OUR FAITH IS THE MOST RIGHT!
        Feel the difference wise guy ....
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 17 New
          -1
          Quote: morpex
          OUR FAITH IS THE MOST RIGHT!
          Feel the difference wise guy ....

          You know in Russia there are a lot of veterans here with medals, heroes, but they remember about them on May 9, and you stuck the picture here, covering the hero with the atrocities of the main priests
      4. morpex
        morpex April 10 2013 22: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: morpex
        Our faith is the most correct

        I can charge you a thousand of these. That's who OUR FAITH is holding on to. A
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 24 New
          0
          Quote: morpex
          I can charge you a thousand of these. That's who OUR FAITH is holding on to. A

          Yes, at least two thousand, it’s disgusting for the old people to hide, you really show what your faith holds, and nod to the disadvantaged pensioners, the Russian Orthodox Church has built hospitals for them, a bonus, from the works of the righteous she added to the pension, she gave out invalid cars, no, she’s waiting, that a veteran will come to church and at the last buy, a candle, an icon, a cross .................... etc.
        2. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 13 2013 00: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: morpex
          The comment was deleted.


          You see how someone cares about your opinion, you can’t argue, well, well, well, it’s not boring for you to communicate with yourself, well, who’s your patron if all my comments have been removed from you, and they have long been tolerant
      5. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 11 2013 02: 55 New
        -2
        Quote: Clever man
        Our faith is the most correct
        1. Svobodny
          Svobodny April 11 2013 07: 06 New
          +2
          "DO YOU FEEL THE DIFFERENCE?"
          - I feel. Left - Kramskoy's painting "Christ in the Desert". On the right is a photo of Patriarch Kirill.

          WHAT NEXT?
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 13 2013 00: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Svobodny
            Left - Kramskoy's painting "Christ in the Desert". Right - a photo of Patriarch Kirill

            What a subtle sense of humor - is this how you approach all demotivators
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 19: 05 New
      +9
      Quote: sibircat
      I believe in God, I wear a cross! But I do not need intermediaries between my soul and God


      To whom the church is not a mother, God is not a father. 3 century by the way.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist April 10 2013 22: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        To whom the church is not a mother, God is not a father. 3 century by the way.



        This is where you read it in the Bible?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: Botanologist
          This is where you read it in the Bible?

          О
          I wrote the 3rd century. (St. Cyprian of Carthage, circa 249)
    3. HAIFISCH
      HAIFISCH April 10 2013 20: 05 New
      +4
      Golden words, God is either in the heart or it is not. But the spirituality of the top of the church is in doubt.
    4. HAIFISCH
      HAIFISCH April 10 2013 20: 07 New
      0
      Gold words. God is either in the heart or not. And the spirituality of our church has recently been in doubt.
    5. Orik
      Orik April 10 2013 20: 59 New
      +2
      To whom the Church is not a mother, God is not a father!
  8. Seaman
    Seaman April 10 2013 17: 48 New
    +1
    Just believe it! Russia will be great again!
  9. Seaman
    Seaman April 10 2013 17: 49 New
    +3
    Just believe it! Russia will be great again!
  10. Seaman
    Seaman April 10 2013 17: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: sibircat
    I believe in God, I wear a cross! But I do not need intermediaries between my soul and God. Yes, and doubts take that Vera in the "guides" more than my conscience.

    I fully support. Himself exactly the same.
    1. anarh
      anarh April 11 2013 00: 47 New
      0
      Try to walk into the Temple, maybe doubts will pass.
      And that wearing a cross is good.
      Sounds great: CROSS WEAR.
  11. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator April 10 2013 17: 52 New
    -1
    When he presses strongly against whom a person turns to, if not his faith, not his army and navy!
  12. donchepano
    donchepano April 10 2013 17: 54 New
    0
    One faith in Russia will not be enough. Morality is needed, young people must be educated, elders must be respected, finally, real demand from criminals, executions, not conditional sentences and house arrests in 13 room apartments with housekeepers are needed
    Won just now convicted 40-year-old recidivist pedophile Armenian V. Ambartsumov raped and strangled to death in Pyatigorsk 9-year-old Anya Prokopenko.
    And before that there was a series of murders and rapes, including of young children by these eagles. And they won’t be afraid of anything
    1. Vtel
      Vtel April 11 2013 14: 51 New
      -1
      That is what the Russian proverb “Trust in God, but don’t make a mistake”, as the saying goes, God helps a walking person, not a lying person. These will answer "" at God's judgment, if they do not repent of what they have done.
  13. Belogor
    Belogor April 10 2013 17: 54 New
    +1
    Why do we believe in Russia? So it is human nature to believe in something or in someone! And besides, really should a Russian person believe in some sort of Honduras?
  14. afire
    afire April 10 2013 17: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: rpek32

    In general, what to believe in if not in yourself and your land?

    to the RIGHT!
  15. Genur
    Genur April 10 2013 18: 06 New
    +6
    Who is called Patriarch Alexy II (in the world - Ridiger)? What is more in it, holiness or sin? Whom does he serve, the power of heaven or the newly-appeared predators - the masters of the earth? He lacked the conscience and courage in October 1993 to stand as God's mediator between the supporters of the rule of law, the defenders of the Constitution, besieged in the so-called "White House" - on the one hand, and those who, on the orders of the bloody dictator, shot them from tank cannons, selling their souls for dollars. And could the Patriarch come out with a holy icon to warring people, reconcile compatriots, stop fratricide, using the right granted to him from above to "knit and decide." But he did not take advantage of it, he avoided a decisive action, hiding in a quiet hospital ward, behind the reliable walls of a privileged medical institution.
    An even more grave sin lies with Alexy II in front of tens of millions of dead soldiers, tortured to death in Hitler's torture chambers, in front of those who died of hunger and cold in a war of war, in front of babies unborn because of the war. At a time when our country and the whole world celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the Great Victory and the death of the fiend of hell, when for the last time the survivors, who survived the saviors of mankind from the Hitlerite plague, marched across Red Square under the red victorious banners, Alexy II went to Germany to to commit there a shameful mocking act of self-abasement and self-betrayal. In a joint prayer in the Evangelical Cathedral of Berlin, he solemnly apologized for the "suffering of many Germans" from the totalitarian regime, which "came to this earth from our country, and many of my compatriots supported him with their unrighteous deeds. For this I now ask you for forgiveness. on behalf of a multimillion and multinational flock. "
    Here are the ones on! And we, and the Germans themselves, for fifty years naively believed that it was precisely the Soviet, Russian, troops that liberated the peoples of Europe, including the people of Germany, from the terrible Nazi dominance, from becoming slaves, from destruction. What believers or non-believers in Russia authorized Alexy II to do the disgusting act of self-spitting? Yes, none! Only from himself did he utter a blasphemous apology, practically equating our "sins" with the crimes of the German fascists, having committed a betrayal, from which the dead turned over in coffins and mass graves, offended veteran liberators and all patriots of the Russian land shuddered. Only the Local Council, which really represents a multimillion flock, could give the Patriarch the authority to "repent" to the Germans. But not a single Local Council, including the last one, which took place in 1990, even mentioned any repentance or apology. So this is the purest initiative of Alexy II, or, more precisely, the initiative of Alexei Ridiger, who violated one of the canons of the Holy Church, which reads: "Let the bishop or presbyter or deacon not accept worldly cares. Otherwise, let him be expelled from the sacred. rank ". This is the 6th Canon of the Holy Apostles.
    Here so: one Alexy, selflessly serving God and people, elevated and strengthened Orthodoxy, and the other, coupled with the dictators of the earth, subservient to them, deformedly entrusted him with dignity and deep-seated popular feelings.
    "Rootless rods have never been and never will be great in history; they are everywhere - only a burden of mankind" - these are the words of the outstanding figure of the Orthodox Church, Archpriest John Vostorgov. They refer not only to Alexy II, but also to those who benefit from him, who support this patriarch, multiplying the disasters in Russia under his cover.
    From “Vladimir Uspensky. Secret Advisor to the Leader
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 19: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Genur
      Who is called Patriarch Alexy II (in the world - Ridiger)?


      You probably do not know. It is not called, but it was called he died 5 years ago, peace be upon him.
      1. Genur
        Genur April 10 2013 20: 02 New
        0
        For Vadivak - “Privy Advisor to the Leader” - a novel-confession of Vladimir Uspensky in 15 parts about the personality of I.V. Stalin, about his environment, about the country. The time of writing the novel: March 1953 - January 2000. For the first time, the first part of the novel was published in 70 copies in 1988.
        Regards, Genur
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 20: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Genur
          Confession novel by Vladimir Uspensky


          memoirs of a certain secret adviser I.V. Stalin, for many years helping the leader of the USSR to formulate the most important decisions.

          Genur, excuse me, do you believe that Stalin could have a secret adviser? So secret that he was not seen either in Tehran, or in Yalta, or in Potsdam? I’m not happy with the statements of Alexy 2, you yourself wrote that he violated the Apostolic rules
    2. antidote
      antidote April 10 2013 20: 24 New
      +2
      Genur - Another provocateur, a friend of Kissinger.
  16. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 10 2013 19: 01 New
    +3
    I read when these are such agitation and a civil war immediately comes to mind, then comments are no longer necessary. It is striking that according to Christian teaching, even the last scum has the right to repentance and forgiveness. And honestly tired of already arguing about this. It is unclear just for whom such articles are being written. If for believers, it’s like they don’t need to convince of this, if for atheists, again it’s an empty lesson. So what is the essence of the article? who is it for?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 19: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      It is striking that according to Christian teaching, even the last scum has the right to repentance and forgiveness.


      She has something, but forgiveness in our faith is given for works, for without them faith is dead.
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 April 10 2013 19: 26 New
        -2
        Quote: Vadivak
        She has something, but forgiveness in our faith is given for works, for without them faith is dead.

        Sorry, that I am not addressing ...
        Tell me, in what church rank will you be?
        At what religious institution do you obey?

        According to the zealous content of your comments, it seems that you, Vadivakat least ... archpriest Dmitry Smirnov ... nourishing the parishioners of the site /topwar.ru/.
        Not? ...Not this way?!
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 19: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: GG2012
          Tell me, in what church rank will you be?


          Parishioner. And for a moment, not a Jew.

          And I beg you, then you can’t try to go public, we seem to have personal correspondence, so you already know how I came to God.
        2. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 33 New
          0
          Quote: GG2012
          According to the zealous content of your comments, it seems that you, Vadivak, are at least ... Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov ... nourishing the parishioners of the site /topwar.ru/.

          oh and I just sent it to Smirnov
      2. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: Vadivak
        She has something, but forgiveness in our faith is given for works, for without them faith is dead.

        Well, the churchmen did business, but all because they themselves weren’t that they do not believe
    2. Vtel
      Vtel April 11 2013 14: 54 New
      -1
      And this is to strengthen faith and to see if we lost our way.
  17. dropout
    dropout April 10 2013 19: 22 New
    +4
    More than 50 years have passed since the death of the great philosopher, and his words are relevant. May God grant that they reach our hearts.
  18. kvodrato
    kvodrato April 10 2013 19: 42 New
    +2
    Bible petrov
  19. Mitek
    Mitek April 10 2013 19: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Mitek
    when you Vadivak will understand that our priests were not saved by priests or monks, but by a simple PEOPLE! AND


    And well, your wonderful people led Judah Hunchback?

    Quote: Mitek
    A tax-free society for luring money from worshipers.

    Have you ever been to the Mitek Temple? Nobody will twist your hands there for alms. And giving money to orphanages is better through the temple than through thieves funds.
    Quote: Mitek
    And understand that popye has nothing to do with true faith.


    Yes, a flag in your hands, join European values, there Orthodoxy and the brain are completely absent

    My wonderful people won the Second World War. My wonderful people built the USSR. But the people didn’t ruin it. The traitors destroyed him. It could not have occurred to ordinary people that it happened that those who should defend it would tear the country. And the priests by the way ran almost ahead of the hunchback ...
    I was in church. And I did not see ANYTHING free there. But I saw announcements that candles bought in another church are not acceptable to God). I saw priests on lyam cars for 5 ... I have never heard of help from priests to those in need. And it is better not to give money to orphanages to either priests or foundations. It is better to buy from them what the children ask and take to the orphanage.
    I am extremely negative towards European values. I think like all the regulars on this site.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 20: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Mitek
      My wonderful people won the Second World War. My wonderful people built the USSR. But the people didn’t ruin it.


      The people won the war under the leadership of Stalin and the USSR built under his leadership and perestroika was carried out by the people under the leadership of Judah,

      Quote: Mitek
      I was in church. And I did not see ANYTHING free there.


      What money was required for you from you? Or for participating in the liturgy? for confession and communion? For the sermon?

      Quote: Mitek
      But I saw announcements that candles bought in another church are not acceptable to God).


      On your conscience. About money, does the church live the way we just give it, do they sell candles? And what stupidly contain magnificent examples of architecture? Who will instill in the people spiritual values ​​who will tell children good and evil? Criminal Code? They already raised the spiritless generation of the Serdyukovs, just when the church was spread rot and there again? Enough for us Moses and Bilans, we are alone in the world and with us only Orthodoxy
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort April 10 2013 21: 50 New
        +1
        They already raised the spiritless generation of the Serdyukovs, just when the church was spread rot and there again?

        Here I do not agree. These then just defiantly go to church and even pray in front of television cameras. It’s fashionable, you know, now ... But have they only become more spiritual and decent from this than the generation that lived during the Soviet era? A moot point ...
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Ribwort
          These then just defiantly go to church and even pray in front of television cameras


          Judah was also near Christ, and even communed, so what?
          1. Ribwort
            Ribwort April 11 2013 09: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            what of that?

            I just wanted to say that in recent years a lot of attention has been paid to the church, too much attention, both in the media and at the state level.
            Look: there are priests in the Duma, at ceremonial events - where would they be without them, even on the line of schoolchildren on September 1 - and there they are. Ministers of the church, to call them servants of God, as language does not always turn around, have penetrated both the education system and the economy. Remember the state preferences for importing and selling cigarettes and alcohol (by the way, it’s also not very clear here: the church condemns this in public, but why not make money on it?) Pay attention to how many temples are set up ...
            But: neither society as a whole has become more spiritual than it was under the same USSR, and "Judas" divorced much more ...
            Apparently, spirituality and decency still depend little on the number of priests and temples. what
      2. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        About money, does the church live the way we just give it, do they sell candles? And what stupidly contain magnificent examples of architecture?

        it’s you about the Mercier apartments for 20 lem and the watch is cool, heard and how they sell and sell relics of saints
      3. Cat
        Cat April 11 2013 04: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        About money, does the church live the way we just give it, do they sell candles? And what stupidly contain magnificent examples of architecture?

        Well, for the construction of new churches, almost in every block - the money is taken from somewhere. Why not let them maintain those "magnificent samples", and set up shelters, hospitals, etc., for delivery?
        Now, if the churchmen opened a free hospital for pensioners and the disabled, and they arranged a candle trade in it, they would not say a bad word in their address. But for some reason, magnificent lush shops with crosses on the domes are being built, and for the sake of great solidity they are called temples. They do a charitable deed, yeah. Ugh.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 11 2013 04: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Cat
          They do a charitable deed, yeah. Pah
          I would like to answer in your person all those who have controversial with Vadivak. I just went to the diocese's website and copied the report on good deeds. Forgive me, not the rules, but if you read it, the main thing is to work with people with disabilities, etc. Very entertaining, I recommend it. "Perpetual charity event" For each child for a family "
          Dec 5th, 2012 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOOD MATTERS, NEWS OF THE DIOCESE December 4, on the occasion of the Entry into the Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary, as part of the ongoing project “Love is merciful”
          Children's hospital received equipment for 460 thousand hryvnias
          Aug 11th, 2012 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOOD BUSINESS, NEWS OF THE DIOCESE On August 10, His Eminence Luke, Archbishop of Zaporizhia and Melitopol donated new medical equipment to the Zaporizhzhya Regional Clinical Children's Hospital, Real fruits of human kindness
          June 9th, 2012 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOOD AFFAIRS, NEWS OF THE DIOCESE On June 8, His Eminence Luke, Archbishop of Zaporizhia and Melitopol donated thirty insulin pumps to the Children's Regional Clinical Hospital.
          Apr 11th, 2012 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOODWORKS Address of Archbishop Luke in connection with the beginning of the charity project “Love is merciful” in the Zaporizhzhya diocese Apr 6th, 2012 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOOD AFFAIRS, NEWS OF THE DIOCESEVisiting of the orphanage for the disabled and neuropsychiatric boarding schools
          Dec 15th, 2011 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOOD CASES On December 9, on Christmas Day, with the blessing of His Eminence Luke, Archbishop of Zaporizhzhya and Melitopol, and on behalf of the Rector of the St. Andrew Cathedral in Zaporizhia, Archpriest Konstantin Kostyukovich, the priest Alexei Chaplin and the parishioners of the Zaporizhzhya Cathedral visited the children from Zaporizhzhya , Charity campaign “Helping people”
          Oct 31st, 2011 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOOD WORKS With the blessing of His Eminence Luke Archbishop of Zaporizhzhya and Melitopol, the deanery of the Zaporizhzhya district churches, Archpriest Sergiy Taranenko, together with the Regional Fund for the Support of Persons with Disabilities, “Perspective” in the church of Andrei Kritsky held a charity event “Helping the Children of the Zaporizhzhya Church in Zaporizhia
          Oct 28th, 2011 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOODWORKS On October 19, priests Archpriest Alexander Afonin and Hieromonk Grigory (Parintsev) performed the Sacrament of Baptism over 15 pupils of the shelter in the Zaporizhzhya regional children's shelter (center for psychological rehabilitation)
          Celebratory concert under the auspices of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
          Sep 30th, 2011 | From Archpriest Alexy Chaplin | Category: GOOD BUSINESS, NEWS OF THE DIOCESE September 9 at the Zaporizhzhya Music and Drama Theater. Magara hosted celebrations dedicated to the Day of adoptionAppeal of the Archbishop of Zaporizhzhya and Melitopol Luke with an appeal to take part in the action "No Domestic Violence"
          1. Cat
            Cat April 11 2013 05: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Kaa
            ....

            Sorry, but...
            You, for example, do not credit yourself for buying clothes for your children. Or toys. Or cook them dinner. Because, I hope, for you, as for most normal people, this is a matter of course, just like breathing, eating, watching, listening.
            So for the clergy, the celebration of the Sacrament of Baptism is an everyday occurrence, a direct official duty. And if they commit it within the framework of certain actions, and publish in the list of their significant acts - from my point of view, this only confirms the hypocrisy of the clergy. And nothing more.
    2. antidote
      antidote April 10 2013 20: 27 New
      0
      You hear and see only what you go to see and hear. And you see nothing else
    3. morpex
      morpex April 10 2013 23: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: Mitek
      I was in church. And I did not see ANYTHING free there.

      And you try to read the NEW TESTAMENT. And to your surprise you will find the fact that the SON OF GOD was also struggling with the transformation of temples into trade stalls. It is not GOD's fault. And going to church you go to GOD and not to man. Believe me, he, GOD, I mean, it will appreciate ..
      1. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 43 New
        -2
        Quote: morpex
        And you try to read the NEW TESTAMENT. And you will find to your surprise the fact that the SON OF GOD was also struggling with the transformation of temples into trade stalls. GOD is not to blame

        It’s not God’s fault, but the Jewish vein of Christianity
      2. Cat
        Cat April 11 2013 04: 25 New
        -2
        and if you tried to read the Gospel of Matthew, then from the first page you would know: Jesus is not the SON OF GOD.
        It was decided to consider it as such in the year 325, by the decision of the First Nikkean Cathedral. Bishops gathered to share power, and at the same time they discussed the status of Jesus. Voting was held - for, against, abstained, following the results - resolution. Vulgar, cynical, but democratic =)
      3. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 13 2013 00: 20 New
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        Quote: morpex
        The comment was deleted.
        The comment was deleted.

        And again, my yesterday’s appeal to you remotely, the Faith Laws
    4. Vtel
      Vtel April 11 2013 15: 02 New
      -1
      It seems that you are following exactly the "Popes" on cool cars, what is this task? I can guess from whom - 2 horns + 2 hooves, and behind a long tail. You reconfigure the sight, take it higher and deeper, then you will see simple priests praying for you as well. If you have offended anything, I ask you to forgive the sinner.
  20. Mitek
    Mitek April 10 2013 20: 10 New
    -2
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Manager
    In general, we did not have enough brains in power at that time.


    Maxim good evening, the mind was then the mind without faith is dead, like science. This is still academician Pavlov said
    Just as it seems to me, by faith they understand the existence of solid and correct moral principles, and not the Orthodoxy of the brain .. Bandos attending a church is better and more correct for you than a person who does not believe, but who lived honestly, who didn’t steal anything from anyone ... It doesn’t matter how call-faith in God, the moral code of the builders of communism, if these things are taught to be honest, to love your homeland, not to drink, etc. they are useful.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 20: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Mitek
      Bandos attending the church is better and more correct for you than a person who does not believe, but who has lived honestly, who has not stolen anything from anyone ...


      It is difficult to discuss .... I repeat, faith without works is dead. Bandos repented and embarked on the path of correction, that is, proved by deed, reimbursed and working no longer bandos. A man who has lived honestly and has not stolen (even a paper clip) is already a saint
      Quote: Mitek
      It doesn’t matter how to call-faith in God, the moral code of the builders of communism, if these things are taught to be honest, to love your homeland, not to drink, etc. they are useful.

      According to the code of the builders of communism, we already lived, there Chubais and Gaidar are an example of this. And our example is Christ because he is not in his hole, but died on the cross for us
      1. morpex
        morpex April 10 2013 23: 35 New
        -1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Bandos repented and embarked on the path of correction, that is, proved by deed, reimbursed and working no longer bandos.

        I will add here that the Judgment of God is not known to us. By what criteria we will be judged for our actions we can only guess. There is a good clerk on this topic: "Once a robber, famous for his bloody deeds, was feasting. At night, drunk, he went out onto the porch. A skinned and hungry old man passed by. The robber took and gave him a loaf of bread. The elder thanked him and left. After a while, the robber suddenly died and was brought to the judgment of God. On one side of the scales were thrown all his bloody sins, on the other bread which he I gave it to the old man. He outweighed the bread. So that the ways of the Lord and his judgment are not given to us to understand ...
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: morpex
          So that the ways of the Lord and his judgment are not given to us to understand ...

          God works in mysterious ways. All right
        2. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 45 New
          0
          Quote: morpex
          I will add here that the Judgment of God is not known to us. By what criteria we will be judged for our actions we can only guess. There is a good clerk on this topic: "Once a robber, famous for his bloody deeds, was feasting. At night, drunk, he went out onto the porch. A skinned and hungry old man passed by. The robber took and gave him a loaf of bread. The elder thanked him and left. After a while, the robber suddenly died and was brought to the judgment of God. On one side of the scales were thrown all his bloody sins, on the other bread which he I gave it to the old man. He outweighed the bread. So that the ways of the Lord and his judgment are not given to us to understand ...

          That's what all corrupt officials hope generously donating to churches and going there
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 10 2013 21: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Mitek
      Just as it seems to me, by faith is understood the presence of firm and correct moral principles, and not Orthodoxy of the brain ..

      By no means, the ROC is advertised here, because it is a commercial organization that does not have a relationship with Vera, but speculates on the feelings of believers. Faith does not need advertising.
  21. pink
    pink April 10 2013 20: 11 New
    0
    Judge not lest ye be judged
  22. Black
    Black April 10 2013 20: 27 New
    +3
    The years of Soviet theological struggle did not pass without a trace both for the people and for the clergy. Let’s bawdy the church - whoever is what!
    Here I would like to know from the God-fighters, but how are you going to regulate the moral foundations of society, on what principles to build the spiritual foundation of man in this society?
    Muslims do not argue whether they need Allah or not, and we don’t remember either our roots or our spiritual beginning.
    I do not call everyone to the temple — it’s someone like that, but denying the church, we doom ourselves to disunity and, ultimately, to the death of Russia.THANKg of all.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 20: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      Okhabim church- who in what much!

      Take a look who rejected Faith:
      Without God, the Fatherland is Sodom!
      Without the Church, I’m not Russian, but
      Warring with Christ!
      Where did the Judas come from?
      Take a look, satanic people:
      After all, even camels! Camels!
      And they do not spit in Heaven.

      Hieromonk Roman: The Godless!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 10 2013 21: 22 New
        -4
        Quote: Vadivak
        Take a look who rejected Faith:
        Without God, the Fatherland is Sodom!
        Without the Church, I’m not Russian, but
        Warring with Christ!
        Where did the Judas come from?
        Take a look, satanic people:
        After all, even camels! Camels!
        And they do not spit in Heaven.

        Hieromonk Roman: The Godless!


        Is this normal on this site - a similar insult to ALL unbelievers? An insult to Russia, a secular state. Let's remember how the ROC betrayed the country, and not in verse, but in practice.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Setrac
          a similar insult to ALL unbelievers? An insult to Russia, a secular state.


          Read there written below to the Godless. Do you relate to them? Do you spit on God? If so, then you have offended all the believers in our country
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 11 2013 00: 00 New
            -2
            Quote: Vadivak
            Read there written below to the Godless. Do you relate to them? Do you spit on God? If so, then you have offended all the believers in our country

            Addressed to the theologians, but it is written about everyone.
        2. anarh
          anarh April 11 2013 01: 03 New
          +3
          Burned so that hurried for all offended?
          It happens.
          "What was not with me - I remember!"
          And that happens.
        3. Vtel
          Vtel April 11 2013 15: 19 New
          -3
          The Orthodox Church cannot betray, even in meaning, for the head of this Church is the Lord Jesus Christ himself. And as for individual clergymen, among them there are "traitors in cassocks", as Patriarch Kirill himself said about them. Well, God is their judge - to whom much has been given, more will be demanded at the Last Judgment. You and I are not the ones to judge, or even you and I will be asked if we condemn everyone indiscriminately. Russian is not just a nationality, otherwise good Western demonizing uncles have already eaten us long ago - Russian is also Orthodox. And thanks to God and the Mother of God, Russia still stands and will stand!
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 13 2013 00: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Vtel
            for - the head of this Church is the Lord Jesus Christ himself

            how deep you are, maybe the head is Cyril after all, because he twists the church as he wants. And when the final judgment comes, he’s doing it here
  23. YaRusich
    YaRusich April 10 2013 20: 33 New
    +2
    It does not matter who you believe in, the main thing is to believe sincerely and with all your heart. And if we believe in our Motherland, then everything will be fine with us. And faith in the Fatherland never interfered with faith in God, they were always inseparable.

    To the city-dwellers without a clan and a tribe, God does not need, as it were ...
  24. zart_arn
    zart_arn April 10 2013 20: 39 New
    -1
    Quote: YaRusich
    It doesn't matter who you believe in

    Sorry, I do not agree with you. Faith doesn’t matter who already led us to where.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: zart_arn
      Faith doesn’t matter who already led us to where.

      + What a sad wit
    2. morpex
      morpex April 10 2013 23: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: zart_arn
      . Faith doesn’t matter who already led us to where.

      You won’t say better ... I’ll add on my own, you must choose what to believe in yourself and understand why you believe in this, because if you don’t choose your faith, you can have no doubt, some faith (and , it is likely far from the best) will choose you.
      1. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 54 New
        0
        Quote: morpex
        You won’t say better ... I’ll add on my own, you must choose what to believe in yourself and understand why you believe in this, because if you don’t choose your faith, you can have no doubt, some faith (and , it is likely far from the best) will choose you.

        well, that's right, but no, at the end they still screwed a fly in the ointment
      2. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 13 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        Quote: morpex
        The comment was deleted.
        The comment was deleted.

        it’s not even funny anymore, censorship keeps you
    3. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: zart_arn
      Sorry, I do not agree with you. Faith doesn’t matter who already led us to where.

      oh and don’t say 1000 years, we still won’t get out of the pit, then maybe comrades are going the wrong way
    4. YaRusich
      YaRusich April 11 2013 10: 19 New
      +1
      hmm, I didn't think they would understand my phrase this way (try to reread it again, but only the first 3 words, but everything in general). Faith does not matter in whom - it is not faith, but the state of "I am like a flock." If a person cannot decide on his vision of the world and what to believe in, then all that remains is to help ...

      Jesus, Buddha, Allah, etc. if you have faith in someone (not in the church and not in those who interpret the doctrine for the sake of their intentions), then you will keep the commandments and covenants and traditions that basically carry the message of protecting the homeland and family. And ostentatiousness and hypocrisy lead to the appearance of all kinds of LGBT people and the protection of the rights of the party of pedophiles (I’d shoot ...)
  25. Mitek
    Mitek April 10 2013 20: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Mitek
    Bandos attending the church is better and more correct for you than a person who does not believe, but who has lived honestly, who has not stolen anything from anyone ...


    It is difficult to discuss .... I repeat, faith without works is dead. Bandos repented and embarked on the path of correction, that is, proved by deed, reimbursed and working no longer bandos. A man who has lived honestly and has not stolen (even a paper clip) is already a saint
    Quote: Mitek
    It doesn’t matter how to call-faith in God, the moral code of the builders of communism, if these things are taught to be honest, to love your homeland, not to drink, etc. they are useful.

    According to the code of the builders of communism, we already lived, there Chubais and Gaidar are an example of this. And our example is Christ because he is not in his hole, but died on the cross for us

    And here it is impossible not to agree! Faith without works is dead. Very, very correctly said. And the Russian Orthodox Church just lacks the complete absence of the right things. But there are enough wrong ones. A chubik with a guide is also not an indicator. These are individual subjects. Rotten as the whole elite of that time. It is necessary to judge by the appearance and values ​​of the whole nation, and not of individual geeks or vice versa saints. I think no one will deny that people under the Soviet regime were better?
    PS about a clip to a point))).
    PPS Vadim, I saw in the church free sermons, etc. .. But I do not believe in the talking room. I believe in business. But there are no really good, honest, and righteous deeds in the Russian Orthodox Church. At 95m, I was lying in the Central Airborne Forces of the Airborne Forces, and there my grandfather, who had passed the Second World War, lay with me. Then, in his declining years, he decided to go to church. For a long time he did not stay there .. his characterization of the Russian Orthodox Church fit into one word. and this is a garbage dump. Of course, there are sincerely believing priests (I know one thing, even his wife left him, since he refused to take money from people), they should be praised for this. But their units. I don’t understand how a face in three arms can buy a gelding with the money of sincerely believing grannies (whose pension is so low) to teach me how to live honestly and righteously. But I most likely believe in God ... But not in the church. categorically.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Mitek
      And the Russian Orthodox Church just lacks the complete absence of the right things. But there are enough wrong ones.

      You are wrong Mitek, rested in Mercia and funny faces, I am a little aware of the life of our parish

      Quote: Mitek
      (I know one, even his wife left him,


      and so our wife left our father, could not tolerate his constant absence in the family, he’s either in prisons or in orphanages, we’ll collect who can do what and he works like a bee, but how much mud they pour is said to be divorced and his dignity is not deprived, everybody grind
      The main thing for God is not to try to see the human, draw the line, give God to God and Caesar Caesar's Caesar and these nasty fat men will leave your life
    2. anarh
      anarh April 11 2013 01: 18 New
      +3
      No, no.
      And what is categorically - so in vain.
      You don’t have to judge people by geeks, but by the saints ...
      Saints in the Russian land shone more than in other lands.
      Agree - it says a lot about the earth and about the people living on this earth.
  26. stranik72
    stranik72 April 10 2013 20: 47 New
    -2
    And what remains for us, we Russians are leaving, we are almost gone, we are leaving quietly, without screams and angry slogans. As a nation, we are coming to an end. Like ammunition for the defenders of the Brest Fortress. Some of us Russian will stand up and say this word we are all over. The Russians don’t die. They just leave today. From the body. And they dissolve, and Russia leaves with us. All our enemies throughout the entire existence of Russia have tried more than once to take us weak, it didn’t work, but now we leave, we leave just tired of being a nation on this earth.
    1. family tree
      family tree April 10 2013 21: 11 New
      +4
      Here, do not even dream. 17-odd lemons squared, such kilometers, and 80% of the people inhabiting the Entu territory, calls himself Russian. Well, Canada is the second in territory, about 9 lyam sq km, although the population density is half as much, such things are. Damn, how many times have we been buried, we will live long, such an omen smile
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 10 2013 21: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: stranik72
      what remains for us, we Russians are leaving, we are almost gone, we are leaving quietly, without screams and angry slogans. As a nation, we are coming to an end. Like ammunition for the defenders of the Brest Fortress. Some of us Russian will stand up and say this word we are all over. The Russians don’t die. They just leave today. From the body. And they dissolve, and Russia leaves with us. All our enemies throughout the entire existence of Russia have tried more than once to take us weak, it didn’t work, but now we leave, we leave just tired of being a nation on this earth.

      Well, why sit here on the site, go to your wives, conceive children - future patriots.
      Or should Putin come to every family and slander your children?
  27. Genur
    Genur April 10 2013 21: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: Vadivak
    Do you believe that Stalin could have a secret adviser? ... you yourself wrote that he violated the apostolic rules


    ALL this passage - from the Assumption. There is not a single MY word here.
    I agree with you that the presence of such an adviser is in doubt. In this case, this is not the main thing. The question is the decency or dishonesty of an act of a person (Alexy II) of such a high rank.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 10 2013 23: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Genur
      The question is the decency or dishonesty of an act of a person (Alexy II) of such a high rank.

      And now it’s clear. I wrote that I’m not happy, but the Lord will judge him, the demand from the priests is completely different
  28. redwar6
    redwar6 April 10 2013 22: 13 New
    +4
    I believed, believe and will believe in Russia, but in order for everything that I believe not to collapse, I will go to the officers' school.
    1. family tree
      family tree April 10 2013 23: 02 New
      +2
      In the military, actually wink . It's hard, of course, but it's worth it, and you get used to it slowly. But in the end, in a parade, with brand new Leitech shoulder straps, on the parade ground, and coins up, and a bunch of friends, for the rest of their lives.
  29. anarh
    anarh April 10 2013 23: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: Setrac
    By no means, the ROC is advertised here, because it is a commercial organization that does not have a relationship with Vera, but speculates on the feelings of believers. Faith does not need advertising.

    At least a ruble for a share of a share?
    No need to worry about my denyuzhki.
    Believe me, no one lures them from me.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 11 2013 00: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: anarh
      At least a ruble for a share of a share?
      No need to worry about my denyuzhki.
      Believe me, no one lures them from me.

      Alas, we pay for everything, there is nothing for free. And try not to give the beggars, you will learn a lot of interesting things about yourself, the state does not pay them pensions?
  30. stas
    stas April 10 2013 23: 35 New
    +3
    Modern Russia primarily relies on the Russians. And by and large I do not see a big difference between a Russian atheist, a believing Russian and a religious Russian. Unless before the baptism of Russia, we were not Russian Slavs. Orthodoxy united us ideologically and helped create the Russia that we have.
    I believe, nevertheless, that man is primary and ideology is secondary!
    Even during the Great Patriotic War, military units in which the Slavs had less than 60% were considered not combat ready!
    That's when the number of Russians will become less than 50%, Russia will be different, and primarily territorially.
  31. anarh
    anarh April 10 2013 23: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Mitek
    My wonderful people won the Second World War.


    They don’t win the war. These are not cards. They win the war.

    Quote: Mitek
    I was in church.


    For what purpose?
    Have you asked the price? Here the price tags are just spotted.
    Candle - view voluntary sacrifices to the temple. Therefore, it does not matter what price you buy a candle.
    By the way. many temples have free candles for the poor.
    And free demands for the poor are also not uncommon.
    But, apparently, all the attention was on the cars and on who came to them.
    Our priests drive "fours". But this is so, particular.
  32. Setrac
    Setrac April 11 2013 00: 06 New
    -2
    The Russian state is united by the Russian Railways, and the Russian Orthodox Church is trying to cling to someone else's glory.
    1. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 11 2013 03: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Setrac
      The Russian state is united by the Russian Railways, and the Russian Orthodox Church is trying to cling to someone else's glory.

      I repeat, but here in the subject line
  33. UFO
    UFO April 11 2013 00: 56 New
    +1
    The dispute is about nothing. Excuse me dear "masters", "bison", "mastodons", but why are you leaving the earth? Under the communists, there was an ideology, and that, we did not believe in Russia (USSR), we believed. Now there is no ideology and we again believe. Most of the population of our "unwashed and uncouth" quite calmly dumped over the hillock if everyone had enough money for this, "at least for a while, at least try." But it does not have such an opportunity, therefore we are FORCED to believe in Russia, because we live here, our children and grandchildren will live here, here are the graves of our ancestors and we have no other options. You cannot be guilty all your life, a slave, deceived, life is not stands still, and whoever is with God, who is without him will still believe in the country in which they live (they tie their future), otherwise it is impossible. hi
  34. alitet
    alitet April 11 2013 01: 02 New
    +1
    Childhood. Happy Soviet 70s. Having run with friends during the day along the hot July streets of my native village, I am delighted to devour a fragrant crust with cold curdled milk. The grandmother at the Russian stove rattles with iron pots. Whispering something is kneading the dough for tomorrow's bread. When he’s finished, he rattles the washstand and, wiping his hands on the hem, goes to the images. Praying quietly as I go to bed. I chase away the sleepy cat, and after lying down, I peer at the faded photograph above the bed of my grandfather who had disappeared in the war without a trace. -And how. -Why don't you go to church? Pause. -Why, honey? -But, because God lives there! -I got excited. -He will not know that you are praying to him! -The Lord is always with us, child - and there are people in the church. -And then why priest? -I didn’t appease. -He serves God? - God does not need a service, my boy. And he doesn't need our prayers. He loves us anyway, we are His children. And the priests are also people - some serve God, and others serve people. Calm down. Only many years later did I remember this conversation. And then, the very next morning, I carelessly paddled barefoot on the wet grass with an overweight fishing rod. greeted on the way with uncle Marat (Tatar) milkman, and with (Mordvin) uncle Gosha the collective farm groom, and with (Dagestani) blacksmith Muzrab. And the crest, grandfather Andrei, could not bear our skirmish with his friend (German Vitka) about the bait, menacingly hissed at us with his toothless mouth: -Sew, fry, scare the fish!
  35. Urkodav
    Urkodav April 11 2013 01: 07 New
    +1
    You can not mix Russia with Orthodoxy! If the tendency for the church (any) to intervene in all areas does not stop, it will receive militant atheism. And deserved. Do not mix the homeland with religion!
  36. anarh
    anarh April 11 2013 01: 43 New
    -1
    [quote = Mitek] I was in church. And I did not see ANYTHING free there. But I saw announcements that candles bought in another church are not acceptable to God). I saw priests on lyam cars for 5 ... I have never heard of the help of priests in need. / Quote]

    And for what purpose did you come in? Ask the price?
    Here is nothing but the price tags and did not see.
    A candle is a view voluntary sacrifices to the temple. Therefore, it is not worth carrying from other temples.
    And in many churches Free there are candles for the poor. And requirements for the poor are free - also not uncommon.
    And priests, for the most part, use Zhiguli cars. But - this is so, in particular.
    True, such particulars come across more often than "Lexus".
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny April 11 2013 06: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: anarh
      candles bought in another church

      Slander. There are no such announcements and cannot be. There are announcements of candles and other items bought on the side outside the church in general, i.e. from the hands of shopkeepers.
      Buying in a temple is a sacrifice to God, buying in a store is a sacrifice to business. That's all!
  37. alexander rus.
    alexander rus. April 11 2013 04: 13 New
    -2
    "Christianity is ugliness," said the glorious son of Russia, Prince Svyatoslav, who defeated the Khazars. The "Bible" itself is a short course on Jews. The planting of this alien religion of slaves cost Europe and Russia millions of human lives. The name of this baptist of Rus is the fratricide "prince" the bloody Vladimir. But THEIR GODS have been forgotten, and it is time to remember and glorify THEM, and not to carry the last money to the priests exposed in women's clothes. Then the Aryan GODS will help to defeat any enemy of Russia, as it always was!
  38. Cat
    Cat April 11 2013 04: 30 New
    -3
    The minus article is advertising, it is advertising.

    I have nothing against God - I just don't like his fan club (s)
    1. Vtel
      Vtel April 11 2013 15: 23 New
      -1
      Save him Lord! See how "fluffy"
  39. Cutter
    Cutter April 11 2013 05: 54 New
    +4
    All religions have universal human values. The main religion of my people is Orthodoxy. I have a mother, my whole family, many friends, their families are Orthodox Christians. This is their choice and I respect it. By and large, true Orthodox Christians do not need intermediaries to communicate with God. Remember the real saints. They went to the wastelands, to hermitages, sat down on bread and water and truly received God's revelations, they were given the gift of healing and similar amazing things. There is a very good film by Pavel Lungin "The Island" where you can understand a lot. that's why the trick of the mindless, worthless and lost sheep (militant atheists) greatly offended most of my people. They shit into the soul not of the venal priests, of whom there really were a lot of divorces, but the true Orthodox, who in the hard times saved the fatherland more than once.
    Regarding punishment, I see no reason to excommunicate them for a long time. Behind the bars, they will become embittered, deteriorate, since our system is not corrective but you can imagine what kind. Forced labor, for example, in a hospice in nursing homes and indistinguishable patients.
    Look without God in our hearts, we people like pathogens mucking, drilling a planet, littering the oceans, indulging in an atom and hadron prodigy, in short, an ordinary disease for the Earth. I think sooner or later the planet will be cleansed, (tsunamis, earthquakes and other cataclysms) so it has already happened more than once in the history of the Earth. It’s time to think about the soul, and then something with naked boobs is trying to tell me that there is no God, that we need to have time to eat more for life, to have time to live whole life, to get more, etc. And our pseudo-intelligentsia and liberal bastard of all stripes, a mountain stands behind them and justifies their deeds. What kind of nonsense?
  40. Svobodny
    Svobodny April 11 2013 06: 32 New
    0
    Quote: alexandr00070
    The Church of St. Sergius of Radonezh denied the appeal "servant of God."

    Stop carrying ravings. We will understand without your atheistic opinion how to call yourself. Slave means a worker to God, one who works for God. Who are you working for? (there are only 2 options, the first of them is God).
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 11 2013 12: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Svobodny
      Stop carrying ravings.


      This is not this deliberate distortion of facts, like him with a helmet of supposedly Nevsky, it’s clear from the nickname that a neopagan man is trying
      1. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 13 2013 00: 51 New
        -1
        Quote: Vadivak
        This is not this deliberate distortion of facts, like him with a helmet of supposedly Nevsky, it’s clear from the nickname that a neopagan man is trying

        Che those are not clear "this is not this", and if you don’t delete it, read it, there are always two truths (the legend about the helmet is told to every visitor to the museum). And with a nickname again you have a blunder, Prince Svyatoslav who defeated the Khazars (Jews) not with in the name of Christ, and in spite of (maybe if he listened to his mother and turned the other cheek, then Israel would be closer), he was the Great Russian Prince and a monument to this memorable event. But for you this is not acceptable, your story with the kogan Volodymer is being conducted ... And I do not understand the concept of a neopagan, my education simply does not allow me to plunge into your abyss of obscurantism. You also wrote atheistic control and abstracts in institutes and knew that there was space behind the clouds, and if anyone could populate planet Earth, then only people from other planets , with different skin color and eye shape. How will Christianity explain the different skin color, (some did it during the day, others at night), etc. So, returning to the princes, in your opinion, there was no normal state or normal princes before Christianity
    2. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 13 2013 00: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Svobodny
      Stop carrying ravings. We will understand without your atheistic opinion how to call yourself. Slave means a worker to God, one who works for God. Who are you working for? (there are only 2 options, the first of them is God).

      That is, this is how you tell yourself why you are called a slave, but before it was, children, grandchildren of the Gods. You can’t imagine, but churchmen work for God, and you feed them, although yes you work for them
  41. ughhh
    ughhh April 11 2013 13: 17 New
    +1
    If only the hands for theft began to be chopped off, it would have become very good. And for theft in public service - the head.
  42. krpmlws
    krpmlws April 11 2013 15: 10 New
    -1
    There is no need to drag God to the topic of patriotism - this is not a prospect, in the sense of cultivating love for the Motherland. But it turns out that someone creates a kind of sect and, if not baptized, then not Russian, and you don’t love your Motherland. But this is all the costs of a one-sided interpretation of the wonderful article of the great philosopher I. Ilyin, who integrates the Orthodox worldview with patriotism and therefore is addressed primarily to the Orthodox. It would not hurt to expand the theme and give an ideology uniting all Russians.
  43. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 11 2013 15: 31 New
    +2
    WE BELIEVE IN RUSSIA, BECAUSE WE ARE RUSSIANS, REMAINING TO FEEL AND BECOME THE OWNERS IN OUR COUNTRY !!!!
  44. Trevis
    Trevis April 11 2013 16: 21 New
    +1
    There is no one to believe in anymore! I hope for Russia!
  45. habalog
    habalog April 11 2013 23: 25 New
    +4
    And I believe in Russia because I love her.