The enemy's success in Torskoye is recorded: the Ukrainian Armed Forces have now removed the danger of our troops encircling the Serebryanskoye forestry

A direction has emerged where the enemy has had some success. This is part of the Krasnolimansky direction, where after the actual transition of the village of Torskoye (DPR) under the control of the Russian army, the enemy troops carried out several counterattacks, which ultimately led to results.

At the moment, objective control data indicate the presence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on at least 30 percent of the area of ​​the said village. This is mainly the southeastern part of Torskoye. The northern part of the settlement is behind the Russian army, the rest is a gray zone.

Thus, it can be stated that the enemy has advanced in Torskoye and the surrounding area over the past few days, and is now making efforts to further push Russian units further north – towards Yampolovka.

Such stubborn battles for Torskoye are due to the fact that the village has a truly great significance for the enemy in this section of the front. The complete control of the Russian Armed Forces over Torskoye allowed the operation to envelop the Serebryanskoye forestry, which the Ukrainian Armed Forces have turned into a single fortified area, to reach its final stage.

At the moment, the enemy has removed the danger of enveloping the forest area on the border of the DPR and LPR. At the same time, the enemy camp states that all this is being achieved with considerable forces and resources. In order to consolidate the success and even more so to develop it, new reserves will have to be thrown to Torskoye. However, it is not as easy for them to approach as the Ukrainian General Staff would like. True, there are significant problems for our guys there, including being thrown back from Torskoye, which will lead to the need to start the operation in this section of the front from scratch.

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[Hey]

I have come up with a theory for myself. As soon as VO writes about anything but BD on SVO.
This means that our people at the front have problems.
Today's news has confirmed my theory. As sad as it is to admit.

[gsev]

Quote: MUD

Today's news confirmed my theory.

The Chinese write that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have acquired drones with second-generation control systems and that three years ago the military-political leadership ignored the demands of Russian specialists about the need to invest in the development of more modern drones.

[PN]

What are these second generation control systems?

[gsev]

Quote: PN

What are these second generation control systems?

To counter Hamas drones, the Israelis are using electronic warfare that does not interfere with the control of modern Israeli drones.

[PN]

Well, as we have already come to conclusions based on the available results of military operations, all innovations on the battlefield are effective for only three weeks...

[alexoff]

Are Geraniums and Fiber Optic Drones Obsolete?

[PN]

Possibly. They write that at night they are tracked by the reflection of the fiber optics and a drone is sent to intercept.
It's all an eternal struggle between sword and shield.

[alexoff]

We must not have learned how to use high-tech ink yet.

[gsev]

Quote: PN

all innovations on the battlefield are effective for only three weeks...

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have acquired a drone with a range of 2000 km, a payload of 5 kg and an effective French control system. In addition to these new drones, the Ukrainian Armed Forces intend to launch decoys with a similar radar reflection. This will lead to the need to overspend anti-aircraft missiles and protect rear facilities.

[Mairos]

If you hang 90 kg of explosives on Geranium instead of 10 kg, it will fly three thousand.

[gsev]

Quote: Mairos

If on Geranium

For a war against Ukraine, a range of over 1000 km is not needed. And the fact that a Ukrainian drone can hit oil and gas production in Western Siberia is very unpleasant.

[Serg koma]

Quote: gsev

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have acquired a drone with a range 2000 km

Quote: gsev

Ukrainian drone could hit oil and gas production in Western Siberia

Sorry, but you have problems with geography or with your "eye".

[gsev]

Quote: Serg Koma

Sorry, but you have problems with geography.

The distance from Kupyansk, occupied by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, to Tyumen is 2008 km in a straight line.

[Andrey Nikolaev_4]

There is no oil production in Tyumen, it is 2315 km to Khanty-Mansiysk; and it won't fly exactly in a straight line

[gsev]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaev_4

There is no oil production in Tyumen, it is 2315 km to Khanty-Mansiysk; and it won't fly exactly in a straight line

[Serg koma]

Quote: gsev

oil and gas production in Western Siberia

Quote: gsev

The distance from Kupyansk, occupied by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, to Tyumen is 2008 km in a straight line.

Oil production on Zakaluzhskaya Street, gas production on Kubasova Street
Bashkir 1300 km, Tatar 1000 km. oil production, Orenburg gas production 1300 km (as examples of more accessible geographical objects, for example) - don't you care?

[gsev]

Quote: Serg Koma

as examples of more accessible geographic features, for example

I am simply citing the administrative center of the region where oil production is taking place, and not specific objects, unlike you.

[aszzz888]

gsev
(Gusev Vladimir)
-1
Yesterday, 21: 53
New
Quote: PN
all innovations on the battlefield are effective for only three weeks...

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have acquired a drone with a range of 2000 km, a payload of 5 kg and an effective French control system.

Jewish OBS.
But in reality it's not "2000 km", but 10 km, and not "000 kg", but 5 kg, and not "an effective French control system", but a control system made on the knees in an underground garage of a Ukrainian Reichsali from Polynesian spare parts...

[gsev]

Quote: aszzz888

and the SU was made on the knees in an underground garage of the Ukrainian Reich from Polynesian spare parts...

Macron offered comrade Xi a lot of perks in anticipation of the US increasing customs duties for Europe and the US. In exchange, France received access to cheap Chinese components for drone production. Putin will treat cooperation with China in a relaxed manner. If, in anticipation of the US-China sanctions war, Russia and China had established cooperation to replace critical American technologies in aircraft manufacturing, China would have been able to act more harshly with Trump and would have been happy to quietly supply everything for drones to Russia.

Quote: aszzz888

SU made on the knees in the underground garage of the Ukrainian Reich

In general, a drone consists of a motor, a glider, a control system, radio communications, and a control command encryption system. The last two things are a secret of the state that wants to use drones. In garages, most likely, the encryption and control program for the drone is loaded into the control system. The entire control system for a drone can be made in China. In France, they can simply put 2 microcircuits - a processor and memory - into a board received from China, and after a 5-fold markup of the price, you get a finished product. Schneider and Siemens controllers are sold to Russia in exactly the same way, although they can be bought in China without the help of French and German intermediaries for a 2- or 4-fold increase in price.

[gsev]

Quote: valentber

Gerasim continues to sit

Gerasimov is leading the SVO with talent and almost optimally. Putin simply gives him very few resources and spends too much on sports, theater, replacing curbs and tiles. If all hockey and football clubs are dissolved during the SVO, then it would be possible to revive the OMSBON at the expense of football and hockey players and buy about 300 armored vehicles from the DPRK every year or double the production of drones.

[Volodin]

Quote: MUD

I have come up with a theory for myself. As soon as VO writes about anything but BD on SVO.
This means that our people at the front have problems.

The theory is certainly interesting. But if successes on the fronts of the Central Military District depended solely on the publications of the Military District, this would be a unique phenomenon in world military thought and practice...

By the way, regarding publications about BD on SVO. Today alone there were at least 8 of them on topwar.

[Terenin]

Quote: MUD

This means that our people at the front have problems.

What's the problem? There's a fight going on and you get hit, so what, the fight is lost? Not at all.

[foxes]

And it is quite significant that in the comments under this news there are no downvoters who like to downvote those who call for not showering victory slogans and throwing caps up in the air ahead of time.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Vulpes

And it is quite significant that in the comments under this news there are no downvoters who like to downvote those who call for not showering victory slogans and throwing caps up in the air ahead of time.

In my observations, it is not those who express their point of view in a reasoned manner who are downvoted, but those who whine monotonously, trying to belittle the successes of the Russian Armed Forces. And how many predictors there are about "drawing red lines instead of actions"... Take, for example, yesterday's article about the threat of an armed conflict in the Baltic. Here is the very first comment from there:

FoBoss_VM
(Ivan)
-3
Yesterday, 18: 54
And the armed confrontation will be like this: they will sink our Baltic mosquito fleet, and we will express our concerns in lines and draw red lines in rage.

Isn't this a call to prematurely assume that the Russian Federation is unable to give an adequate response to provocations by enemy ships, and with humiliatingly mocking overtones at that? And there are more than one such comment there.

https://topwar.ru/266103-zamglavy-mid-rossii-v-ljuboj-moment-mozhet-nachatsja-konflikt-v-baltijskom-more.html#findcomment15307457

[Eug]

Are you also capable of giving a WORTHY response to the Black Sea Fleet?

[Alexey Lantukh]

This means that our people at the front have problems.

War is war. It's just that our media is full of victorious reports, and when something fails, they keep quiet. It is believed that our narrow-minded electorate is not able to digest everything correctly. As a result, our electorate does not trust the government, which is even worse. As for Torskoye, in mid-May our troops completely took it (or wrote that they took it), but were unable to hold it and retreated a week later. They wrote about it only now - two weeks later. In general, the story is murky.

[Krasnoyarsk]

What is there to comment on? Well, yes, the enemy has a tactical success in a separate direction. Probably, at the right moment, and this happens, we did not have enough forces to repel the enemy's attacks. It's a pity, of course, but it's not critical. Success and fortitude to our soldiers. Foresight to the command.

[topol717]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Probably, at the right moment, and this happens, we didn’t have enough forces there to repel the enemy’s attacks.

Everything would be fine, it happens to everyone, but again it's Forestry. In all other places there is progress, but here... Either the commander on the Ukrainian side is a genius, or ours is a mediocrity that cannot be replaced. Although I could be wrong. Maybe everything really is different, and I am very much mistaken, but when I hear "Forestry" I don't believe in good news.

[Cartalon]

Podolyaka wrote that in the Liman direction, they reported successes in advance, perhaps Torskoye was not under our control.

[cpls22]

Quote from: topol717

It's the Forestry again. There's progress in all the other places, but here... .

Judging by the map, this is the only such vast forest area in the entire theater of operations.
And in terms of its saturation with waterways, only the mouth of the Dnieper can compare with it, but there is no forest there.

[topol717]

That's not the point, there were too many additions there. They often passed off wishful thinking as reality. And as I understand it, they stubbornly continue to do so. And the phrase "you can make mistakes, but you can't lie" still doesn't work in that direction.

[cpls22]

Quote from: topol717

That's not the point, there were too many additions there.

I don't know about the padding - I wasn't there, I didn't hold a candle to it. If they had padded it, then there would have been "progress" there periodically. Maybe it's just hard to hold onto a position if you don't control a huge territory nearby, from where they can fly. It's like fleas - they're easy to deal with on a bald head, but in a thick head of hair - I wonder if the enemy uses boats there?

[Grits]

It's even embarrassing to admit this - it turns out that Russians don't know how to fight in the forests. They do well in the fields, in populated areas, in narrow forested areas. But in the forests - no way. And this is in a country where most of the land is covered with forests, where tens of millions of people live and feel great in the taiga. Who know how to live and navigate there, but it turns out they weren't taught how to fight in the forests. Like in the Finnish war...
In the Great Patriotic War, seeing such difficulties, a decision would have been made at the highest level long ago to form special units in this direction. After all, it would have been quite possible to form them from hunters and residents of the forested part of the country - Yakuts, Siberians, Far Easterners. Set them the appropriate tasks, arm and staff them in accordance with them. If there are many such small sabotage, reconnaissance, highly mobile groups, and not 1-2 units, then this forest will be cleared in the shortest possible time. And compared to those forests in the Far East where I live - this is not even a forest, but just thickets, and a very small area at that.

[Yuras_Belarus]

The forest is a natural fortified area. Forest vegetation almost does not let through equipment and hides the enemy, even from the air. Shelling or bombing in the forest is easier to bear: tree trunks and roots work as walls from shrapnel. At Agincourt, the English hid archers in the forest and from there fired at the French knights. The knights, clad in armor, did not even attack the forest and the enemy without armor, but turned around and ran away, crushing their own infantry and crossbowmen along the way.

[wladimirjankov]

Like in the Finnish War...
In the Great Patriotic War, seeing such difficulties, a decision would have been made at the highest level long ago to form special units in this direction.

The collapse and complete defeat of our 2nd army in Myasnoy Bor speaks to the contrary. Unfortunately, far from complete conclusions were made from the "difficulties" of the Finnish war and in the Great Patriotic War they stepped on the same "rake" as now in our time.

[stas132]

In addition to the forest, Serebryanskoye forestry is also the right, high bank of the S. Donets, where in the Belogorie area they were talking about "victories" for over a year, until they removed someone there. And the south of Torskoye is on a decent hill, in relation to the Russian troops advancing along the village. Accordingly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine rely on their fortified area in the forest, have more advantageous positions and supplies from Yampol and K. Liman. In order for the bastards to leave S. Lesnichestvo, we need to take Seversk, then there will be a threat of envelopment. And taking Torskoye is very difficult, there are copters like dirt there, they fly over Kremennaya in flocks. In addition, the forest there, in the LBS area, is swampy, the Donets backwaters ... it is very difficult to clear directly. This is not Finland in winter ...

[Dmitry_Nemets]

We fought in this forestry in the summer of 2023. Three armies have changed there, and there is still no sense. Nearby, near Belogorovka, there is also a constant senseless meat grinder going on in one place for some unknown reason for many years now.

[valentine]

Yeah, it's a strange place. There's probably some bait, as long as the bellies don't run out (and they're thriving).

[Mazunga]

in this forestry other soldiers are needed (in the forest there is another war, rangers are needed there, or burn penguins with napalm like in Vietnam

[alexoff]

This forestry is just some kind of citadel, there have been battles for it for three years. Who is in charge there anyway?

[kovaleff]

The forester there is a seasoned one, he orders everyone a thrush when they get tired of it

[Dmitry_Nemets]

The 20th Army was there, then the 41st, and behind it the 25th.

[MichIs]

Except for TopWar, this information is not observed in RuNet. Where is this information from, what is the source?

[Skobaristan]

I also became interested in what kind of objective control was mentioned in the news.

[MichIs]

The latest news was from there on June 5 from Marochko that the marsupials were carrying out attacks and the situation there was tense. Now his telegram channel is quiet.

[Skobaristan]

So who brought this news "on a shovel". Very curious.

[Kostadinov]

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have acquired a drone with a range of 2000 km and a payload of 5 kg

What is the problem with creating a drone with a range of 20 thousand kilometers and a 5 kg payload?
A Chinese balloon flew over the United States.
The simplest option will connect two drones with a range of 2 thousand kilometers with a common wing and the range will be more than 4 thousand kilometers with those 5 kg.