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Will the Volga region be the Caucasus?

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El Murid about the growth of influence of the Islamist underground in the republics of the Volga region and the likelihood of a new war within Russia.


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  1. smel
    smel April 10 2013 08: 11 New
    31
    I don’t want to watch or listen. Crush like grandfathers crushed
    1. consul
      consul April 10 2013 08: 39 New
      +6
      the Volga will not become the Caucasus, even if they don’t dream. Any sane person understands what all this will turn out to be (Chechnya, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.).
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 10 2013 08: 48 New
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        Quote: consul
        . Any sane person understands how all this will turn out (Chechnya, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.).

        This just cannot be allowed. How to find a middle ground? What would the North Caucasus not make noise, and the Russians lived normally? It's time for our leaders to think about it.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov April 10 2013 10: 05 New
          +1
          “It’s time for our drivers to think about it” - and they have long thought about it and are doing their best !!!
          http://demotivation.me/em3zefm5fl0upic.html
          "Unemployed and indigent Caucasians will be resettled and employed throughout Russia. This will be carried out within the framework of the development program of the North Caucasian Federal District (NCFD) until 2025. The program was adopted by the Government of the Russian Federation because the allocation of significant budgetary funds to the district does not give a noticeable result. This is reported by the North Caucasus News Agency. "
          http://ip.mit.ru/node/2146

          "The FMS sees a way out ... in a further inflow of migrants." The objective situation is such that we need an inflow of migrants for the effective development of the economy, "says Ms. Yegorova. According to her, Russia has to rely only on migrants, the vast majority who come from the CIS countries: their share reaches 80%. "

          Read more: http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2011/09/21/sotsialnye-problemy-v-rossii/migranty-vse-p

          riezzhayut-russkie-vse-uezzhayut
          1. Hort
            Hort April 10 2013 11: 00 New
            14
            I know how these unemployed feel in Norilsk: they give 30 thousand allowances, concessions when paying for housing (the organization where they settled down pays), there are no deprivations of bonuses for jambs in production. In the factories and mines, first of all, such migrants are taken, although young metallurgists who studied for this specialty are shaved. And the funny thing is that the same Dagestanis then "for some reason" dumped from the factories of the Norilsk combine to work as taxoids or to trade. There is no need to talk about interethnic tension - there are no-no clashes with Azerbaijanis, now they have added Chechens and Daghs. What will result in, it is not difficult to guess.
        2. kris
          kris April 10 2013 12: 41 New
          10
          you remember STALIN again!
        3. knn54
          knn54 April 10 2013 17: 11 New
          +5
          When General Ermolov was appointed governor of the Caucasus, a case occurred that shook the Chechens' confidence in the benefits of hostage trade.
          On the way from Khaziyurt to Kizlyar, Major Shvetsov was kidnapped. The Chechens, not understanding the officer distinctions, mistook the major for a person of special national importance. And to celebrate, they demanded a ransom from his family - ten arbs of silver coin. R
          The Russian government simply did not know how to react to such an exorbitant price! And there was no place to take this amount from. Then Shvetsov’s colleagues announced a collection of donations throughout the country to redeem him from captivity.
          While the Russians were raising money, Yermolov appeared in the North Caucasus. And the first thing he did was forbidden to pay the ransom for Shvetsov.
          Instead of paying, he ordered that all Kumyk princes and owners, through whose lands the Russian officer was transported, be placed in the fortress and announced that if they could not find a way to free him, he would hang everyone.
          The arrested princes immediately agreed to reduce the ransom to 10 thousand rubles.
          But Yermolov again refused to pay.
          Then the Avar Khan arose very opportunely and bought the captive.
          The general caught the features of the national mentality in an instant. If you pay money to the local population, then you are afraid, you are paying off.
          Therefore, Ermolov called to follow the logic of the enemy: “I want my name to guard our borders with fear stronger than chains and fortifications, so that my word would be law for Asians, or rather, inevitable death.
          “ONE PUNISHMENT WILL SAVE HUNDREDS OF RUSSIANS FROM DESTRUCTION AND THOUSANDS OF MUSLIMS FROM CHANGE.”
          The indulgence in the eyes of an Asian is a sign of weakness, and I am strictly inexorably out of humanity.
          The general used to reinforce his words with deeds. So the abduction of large ranks and wealthy merchants was temporarily deleted from the register of “profitable”
        4. Su24
          Su24 April 10 2013 17: 18 New
          -1
          The current leadership is not capable of this, because you need to not just change the ideology, but you need to introduce it, because now she is gone. It is necessary for everyone to explain the foundations of his faith, and to explain that the Orthodox and Muslims in Russia have lived in peace for centuries. To do this, you need to educate a whole generation. Order is needed, no order.
          Well, and terrorists and bandits-wet, wet and wet with all means.
      2. Kolya
        Kolya April 10 2013 09: 48 New
        +2
        Therefore, it is necessary to destroy in the bud, and not in word but in deed!
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 10 2013 08: 42 New
      20
      The other day we discussed a similar topic on one of the branches. On the issue of national politics. Unpublished mid-80s studyhttp://topwar.ru/26487-k-voprosu-o-nacionalnoy-politike.html#comment-id-1058476 Мое мнение, идет скрытый геноцид Русского населения. Ведь что было в действительности, возьмите начало прошлого века, меньше трех детей не было в Русских семьях, я могу точно сказать что у моих прадедов было 7 моих дедушек и бабушек. А сейчас что? гр. Средней Азии плодятся у нас в России, работают у нас, частично отнимая наши рабочие места, together with our entrepreneurs Is that normal? Something is wrong with our domestic politics. Take Sev Kav for example. I understand that such a huge infusion of money goes there for a reason. That would not be at war, and did not earn terror. And isn’t it easier to give them not banknotes, but TOOLS, this will be the best help, not a freebie. Watch the story of the destruction of the last militants in the North. Cav. not at home but palaces. And look at the villages and villages of the center of Russia, the Urals and Siberia. Like rogues and homeless people. If this goes on then the Volga will become the Caucasus, and so on. You must not forget about your people, and you can not use it as a whipping boy. Harness for a long time, but quickly drive. Oh how I do not want to participate in these races. God forbid.
      1. INTER
        INTER April 10 2013 09: 29 New
        +5

        I do not think that the Caucasians are not to blame for the fact that the Russians are not giving birth. Rather, the pursuit of Western ideals has done its job. And the Caucasus, for the most part, is conservative in this regard. Yes, you are right before it was. You know, in a deep delusion, thinking that all Caucasians live like these very named emirs, they are like ruble oligarchs of local significance, etc. In most villages, there is still no gas drowned with dung and wood, where there is no electricity, there is no need to talk about roads. Again, I repeat, as the SIMPLE PEOPLE said earlier, BE IT IN THE CAUCASUS OR IN THE RUSSIAN VILLAGE LIVING IN PRACTICALLY THE SAME. SLIMMING ALSO! yes The problem of the Russian people 1 alcohol drugs 2 family values ​​3 degradation of youth 4 individualism 5 destruction of the cultural core. yes
        1. maksuta
          maksuta April 10 2013 09: 54 New
          +2
          stopudovo !!!
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 10 2013 09: 55 New
          11
          Quote: INTER
          I do not think that the Caucasians are not to blame for the fact that the Russians are not giving birth.

          I do not state this. All this disgrace is simply visible to the naked eye. (Remember who were merchants in the last century in Russia?) You look who are the owners of the markets? who contains outlets? How do they deal with competitors? And they are helped in this lawlessness by our SALE authorities. Sami chop the branch on which they sit. You try to go to any republic, and behave there so defiantly, will you live until morning? One word, For the state is insulting.
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov April 10 2013 10: 09 New
          +7
          "The problem of the Russian people 1 alcohol drugs 2 family values ​​3 degradation of youth 4 individualism 5 destruction of the cultural core." - what is the pop - so is the parish! Only a strong patriot leader can return the Russian people to their former greatness, a crook - never.
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 April 10 2013 12: 41 New
            0
            Wahhabis (supposedly soldiers of Islam) also suffer from all this. But young people still go to them. And the birth rate in these countries (regions) is higher. So the reason is different.
        4. kaprall
          kaprall April 10 2013 14: 12 New
          0
          And how many children conceived in a drunken stupor land in orphanages? They didn’t think about it. The problem is not only alcoholism, but also the lack of sufficient jobs and the normal payment for the work done.
          When there is no general idea, individualism flourishes, but in a moment of danger a person seeks protection in society.
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 10 2013 09: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Sirocco
        column Central Asia breed with us in Russia, work with us

        and who or what is stopping the Russians from multiplying and working on their own territory? why are the Chinese, Indians, poor Iraqis, Afghans no one stopping from multiplying? what is lacking for the Russians who do not live in dugouts and thatched huts? apartments with gas, light, heating. what can we say about those who are not drunks, have jobs and all the best, why don’t they breed ??? we know the answer to that, oh we know! but we are ashamed to admit it, I'm right ?
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 10 2013 09: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: djon3volta
          and who or what prevents the Russians from multiplying and working on their own territory?
          I wrote. Our business exchanges. Which frighten in the workplace, our workers, who ask for higher wages. You don’t want to work, for such a salary, I’ll be fired tomorrow, and people from Central Asia will come to your place, to work for a lesser penny.
          Quote: djon3volta
          together with our entrepreneurs
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 10 2013 10: 44 New
            +9
            Quote: Sirocco
            Quote: djon3volta
            and who or what prevents the Russians from multiplying and working on their own territory?
            I wrote. Our business exchanges. Which frighten in the workplace, our workers, who ask for higher wages. You don’t want to work, for such a salary, I’ll be fired tomorrow, and people from Central Asia will come to your place, to work for a lesser penny.
            Quote: djon3volta
            together with our entrepreneurs

            Yes, what kind of businessmen interfere. Western values ​​thinking psychology in this direction, I have already said a lot of non-Russian friends where only father works and earns 30 thousand and contains the whole family of 3 children, while other Russian friends who earn at least 60 pieces give birth to one. and you don’t give birth to the second question, it starts and you know what the costs are, psychologically and physically, how difficult.
            Yes, even on my example. In the class we had 4 Caucasian parents earned the same as Russians, but if our classmates parents gave a lot of money and they ate tightly in the dining room, then they bought pivander, cigarettes, every weekend in clubs, game discs. we only have lunch and money for a lesson in the gym. So the cost is 1 more than all the costs we have 4. It all depends on how you invest, the poor one complains that the money is not enough average and rich, that oh how difficult it is to raise one, and not exactly 2-3. More than half of the class, the parents were divorced, with whom 2 times.
            Until the brains of people are corrected, even if they pay them millions, they will give birth anyway 1 and they will all swell into this one.
            1. djon3volta
              djon3volta April 10 2013 11: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              Western values ​​thinking psychology in this direction

              Quote: Yeraz
              even if you pay them millions, they will still give birth to 1 and they will all swell into this one.

              that's right, everyone’s tag! here are those who say that they have nowhere to live, I wonder where they live? in the heating main or in a cardboard box under the fence? in the apartments they live, that's where. and at the same time they pay for it, even if it’s removable, but they repeat the mantra - there’s nowhere for us to live .. the same can be said about money. half of the women have an excuse - why will I incur poverty ... while I’m dressed with a needle, the smartphone in my pocket is not frail, and it even has a car in VKontakte and classmates spreads the foreign resorts. right, why mess with poop, it’s better to be clean and inspirational .. that’s the whole modern tale.
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov April 10 2013 11: 49 New
                +1
                What did you want? To the people exploited (specifically took away almost half of the salary in the form of taxes), and he joyfully multiplied? They don’t like modern women, so Gundiai brings them up in a watch for a few lyamas! What examples are before the eyes of the people - this is how the people behave. How is the national leader's family life? Daughters abroad live, his wife generally does not know where. So there is nothing to blame the people, our people are good, there is no one to lead them.
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz April 10 2013 12: 27 New
                +4
                Quote: djon3volta
                Quote: Yeraz
                Western values ​​thinking psychology in this direction

                Quote: Yeraz
                even if you pay them millions, they will still give birth to 1 and they will all swell into this one.

                That's right, everyone’s tag! here are those who say that they have nowhere to live, I wonder where they live? in a heating main or in a cardboard crying beneath the fence? they live in apartments, that's where. and at the same time they pay for it, even if they’re rented, but they repeat the mantra - we have nowhere to live .. the same can be said about money. half of the women have an excuse - why will I produce poverty. . At the same time, she’s dressed herself with a needle, the smartphone in her pocket is not frail, and even has pictures on foreign resorts in VKontakte and classmates. Right, why bother with poop, it’s better to be clean and inspirational .. that's the whole modern tale.

                I don’t know in detail what’s in the regions, but recently a couple of acquaintances have appeared, speaking shitty and local kings, the governors keep the entire sector of the economy, but here in St. Petersburg everyone has a house, the employer is interested in a Russian worker, except for some sectors, but there are Russians and they don’t pretend, but it’s more interesting to go on a hike to people, turn on the telly, go to the Internet everywhere it is propagandized LIVE FOR YOURSELF AND WHAT ONLY !!! Today DO NOT THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE. And about the country all the more. And then there are some personalities and all problems to look for, either in migrant workers, then in Caucasians, or in the West.
                You know, I really remembered a case that shocked me insanely. There is some kind of TV program about migrants, studio experts, etc. and touched upon the situation, saying why hospitals should help give birth to migrants, and there were 2 migrants in the studio, a husband and a wife, and they are asked how many children, she says 3, she’s pregnant 4 and then such a buzz from the audience went on, though the presenter harshly reacted to this and the audience was silent, but the fact that a person will give birth to 4, and it doesn’t matter that this is a migrant, the mother gives birth to a child and such a reaction. The girls are already shocked when they hear about the birth of 2 children, after hearing about 3 I think these clubbing partying women will have a heart attack
                1. AlNikolaich
                  AlNikolaich April 11 2013 14: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  mother gives birth to a child and such a reaction. The girls are already gaze in shock when it comes to the birth of the 2 child, hearing about the 3 I think these clubbing partying women will have a heart attack

                  So the explanation is simple! There used to be magazines: Soviet woman, Worker, Peasant woman. They conducted effective propaganda: who is a woman, respect for work, for motherhood.
                  Now what do we see? Cosmopolitan, Lisa, and Ivon catalogs! That's all that is offered to women! And then we ask the question, where so many glamorous fools come from!
                  They read the advice of a "female psychologist", marry a husband, and are disappointed that this marriage does not correspond to what is written about!
                  And somehow, having given birth to one child, such a "chyudo-zhina" does not even want to think about subsequent children!
                  The proverb is right, "the hair is long and the mind is short"
            2. Sirocco
              Sirocco April 11 2013 04: 21 New
              +1
              I have a lot of acquaintances, young people. They work like horses, business trips, and other market values. There are those who drag two works. For what? In order to live. Credits for an apartment, a car, and other pleasures. To the question of when are you planning to give birth, they shrug, they say if one of the family stops working, there will be nothing to repay loans, Five or six years, we'll wait. The second family, gave birth to a child, mother spent two months on maternity leave and at work (to earn). The child does not see the mother. This kind of education will be, at a distance. 1. Like it or not, this is a financial component, EARN and SURVIVE. 2. Housing young (become SLAVES and Hostages of Banks). 3. State policy. (Starting with the education system). We are all busy with ourselves, and making money. I emphasize not by work, but by earning. For we do not have confidence in the future. Day lived and thank God.
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz April 11 2013 12: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: Sirocco
                1. Like it or not, this is a financial component, EARN and SURVIVE.

                If you do not like the conditions - change them! The villages are empty. To hell with that city. Work hard and the question of survival is not worth it.
                Quote: Sirocco
                2. Housing young (become SLAVES and Hostages of Banks).

                That's interesting: a person has been working at a construction site for 20 years to make money and build his own house. laughing And if you just build yourself it will take 1-2 years.
                If playing by someone’s rules, then winning is unrealistic.

                Quote: Sirocco
                State policy. (Starting with the education system). We are all busy with ourselves, and making money.

                It is easier for the state to manage the herd. A flock of smart, healthy people will not work. Therefore, it is more profitable - sick and not thinking.
        2. aviamed90
          aviamed90 April 10 2013 12: 51 New
          +1
          Homelessness hinders. Why give birth to slaves for Abramovich and stretch as hard as possible to raise a child? And I understand our people. Give him a worthwhile idea, treat him humanly, pay for his work with dignity, etc.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 10 2013 13: 28 New
            +6
            Quote: aviamed90
            Homelessness hinders. Why give birth to slaves for Abramovich and stretch as hard as possible to raise a child?

            Ok.Then do not give birth and then Abramovich will not have slaves, but Russia has the Russian population, your business.
          2. old rocket man
            old rocket man April 10 2013 14: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: aviamed90
            Homelessness hinders. Why give birth to slaves for Abramovich and stretch as hard as possible to raise a child


            So what? Do you think that everyone can become "Abramovich" if they do not give birth? And who will be the "slave"? Try to guess, the circle is complete.
      3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US April 10 2013 11: 33 New
        +4
        As for the tools, it’s in vain, they never worked and never will be, their ancestors, the ancestors of their ancestors, etc., were always engaged in attacking their neighbors, moving cattle, people and so on, they were always warriors and you work them don’t force it, the history of all the Caucasian wars confirms this ...... therefore loot falls there as soon as money runs out, peace ends ..... assimilation of the southern peoples in central Russia is a dead end, which will lead to nothing but increased tension in our regions ......
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 10 2013 12: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: NOBODY BUT US
          .. assimilation of the southern peoples in central Russia is a dead end that will lead nowhere except for increasing tension in our regions ......

          Right in the bullseye !!! So I'm talking about the same thing.
        2. Cutter
          Cutter April 10 2013 13: 08 New
          +1
          And what did they do from 1945 to 1990? winked
          1. gen-48
            gen-48 April 10 2013 16: 44 New
            0
            And the same as now, adjusted for years. The same trade, the same slaves in distant villages (many knew about this, but did not advertise), team of Sabbath workers throughout central Russia. The only thing is that beards did not grow in such numbers and with AK, RPGs did not run in the mountains. Well, as for the love of one's neighbor, many, I think, remember that in the early 80's alone, in the evening, in the Caucasus cities it was not very comfortable walking.
  2. treskoed
    treskoed April 10 2013 08: 23 New
    10
    This is war. Innocent people die from bandits! Destroy bandits, confiscate property, and attract their relatives for aiding and harboring!
    1. Denis
      Denis April 10 2013 08: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: treskoed
      Bandits destroy

      Destroy in Syria!
      1. treskoed
        treskoed April 10 2013 08: 40 New
        +1
        Yes, in any territory! So that everywhere the earth burns under their feet !!!
  3. pinecone
    pinecone April 10 2013 08: 27 New
    +5
    It is quite possible, and not only the Volga region.
  4. vilenich
    vilenich April 10 2013 08: 32 New
    +1
    However, the military expert has a strange surname: in Muslim countries, el-murid is a person who wants to devote himself to Islam and master the basics of mystical teachings. This is a coincidence or deep meaning. I could not find his biography on the internet, can anyone enlighten?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 10 2013 09: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: vilenich
      in Muslim countries, el-murid is a person who wants to devote himself to Islam and master the basics of mystical teachings


      Sorry of course you are a little wrong, or rather inaccurate!
      Murid - from Arabic translate as a student and nothing more!
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 10 2013 10: 21 New
        +1
        Good morning Alibek!
        Quote: Yarbay
        Murid - from Arabic translate as a student and nothing more!

        I willingly believe, I used the Internet data, once again I am convinced that it is necessary to double-check everything several times.
        Thanks for clarifying!
        Do you have any data on the expert himself?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 10 2013 11: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: vilenich
          I willingly believe, I used the Internet data, once again I am convinced that it is necessary to double-check everything several times.
          Thanks for clarifying!
          Do you have any data on the expert himself?

          Good morning Vitaliy!

          In general, I am ambivalent about his conclusions and, frankly, I’m not very interested in his assessments on this I am not familiar!
          But I know that he is Russian is a type of pseudonym!

          And about your translation, in principle, the Sufis in Islam, if I am not mistaken, have a kind of hierarchy and there at the bottom step of the murid!
          But still, for any meaning of the word, in this case, one-student!
          1. vilenich
            vilenich April 10 2013 21: 21 New
            0
            But I've found a fairly recent book, which he co-authored with Marat Musin wrote "Syria, Libya. Further everywhere!" edition of 2013. Today, maybe I'll look at my leisure. Something they are there about possible scenarios for the development of events in Russia and write.
  5. fenix57
    fenix57 April 10 2013 08: 39 New
    +7
    WITHOUT HUMOR .. Well, that "intermission" after Chechnya ended "action two" third call ... Sucks ... angry
  6. Gecko
    Gecko April 10 2013 08: 41 New
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    For the most part, the Volga republics will not balamute because are Finno-Ugric peoples of Mordva, Mari, Udmurts (Orthodoxy) and their number is about 0,5 million people of each ethnic group and they are very close in spirit to the Russian nation. Chuvashs (Orthodoxy) - a Turkic group of about 1,5 million people, there are no problems with them either. Bashkirs (Islam) - a Turkic group of about 1,5 million people, they are trying to balamut, but so far without success. Tatars (Islam) - a Turkic group of about 2 million people in Tatarstan, slightly more than 50% of the total population of the republic and about 1 million Tatars live in Bashkiria, about 2 million more are scattered throughout Russia. The Tatars are really incited through all kinds of funds, but the siloviki are on time to head off, nationalism is still flourishing, the vast majority of all the highest posts in the republic are occupied by the Tatars close to 100% with a population share of 53%.
    The key business is owned by relatives of the former and current president. There is an imposition on the study of the Tatar language in educational institutions to all without exception.
    Tatarstan does not understand that when it is yanking from all sides, the border will be closed and all comfortable life will cease immediately. If the republics are located on the border in the Caucasus, Tatarstan will be in a dead blockade. And do not forget that the Russian population here is about half, in the Caucasus before the conflict was much less.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 10 2013 09: 27 New
      +1
      So, the birth rate / mortality rate for 2012 (January to October):
      Ukraine - 438 627/552 149 - mortality is 25% higher than the birth rate.
      Belarus - 95 / 825 - mortality is 104% higher than the birth rate.
      Russia - 1 / 586 - fertility is higher than mortality.

      for reference Among the municipal regions of the Republic of Tatarstan, 9 have a higher proportion of the Russian population: Alekseevsky Tatars - 30,5 Russians - 58,6 Bugulma Tatars - 35,5 Russians - 56,6 Verkhneuslonsky Tatars - 24,9 Russians - 65,8 42,6 Elabuga Tatars - 51,7 Russians - 40,4 Zelenodolsky Tatars - 56,2 Russians - 42,1 Laishevsky Tatars - 55,1 Russians - 43,4 Novosheshminsky Tatars - 50,9 Russians - 29,5 Spassky Tatars - 67,6 40,1 Russians - 55,4 Chistopol Tatars - 32,7 Russians - 35,7 Approximately equally Tatars and Russians in the Tetyushsky municipal district - Tatars - XNUMX%, Russians - XNUMX%. In the remaining municipal areas (except Aksubaevsky) the tartar population predominates.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 10 2013 09: 47 New
        0
        Quote: djon3volta
        for reference Among the municipal districts of the Republic of Tatarstan in 9 there is a higher proportion of the Russian population

        dear perky optimist)))))
        But how many municipalities in Tatarstan ?!
        as far as I know more than 40, counting two large urban districts !!!
        In many paradises, the overwhelming numerical superiority of respected Tatars!

        Apastovsky 90,90 Tatars, 4,71 - Russians.
        Arsky 92,75 Tatars, 5,93 Russians
        Sabinsky 95,39 Tatars, 3,21-Russians!
        etc!
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta April 10 2013 11: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          In many paradises, the overwhelming numerical superiority of respected Tatars!

          then what? I specifically kept silent about other areas. but the question is what next ??? when will Alkaida explode the oil pumping niches and the Americans occupy Tatarstan like Iraq? listen, I lived in a purely Tatar village for 3 years, out of 2000 thousand there was a Russian man there, the whole village was about 8-12 people. And he lived very well and was friendly and got along well. Don’t confuse the northern Caucasus and the middle lane, this number will not work here, they will crush it instantly. were there any attempts, and where are they Alak Akbarites? but there are none, like this wassat
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 10 2013 12: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: djon3volta
            I specifically kept silent about other areas. But the question is - then what ???

            Yes, specially kept silent to mislead people !!
            Quote: djon3volta
            but there are none, like this

            then why gave examples of 9 paradise ones ??
            they are a young man and the more you don’t see them, the more difficult it will be to fight them!
            1. djon3volta
              djon3volta April 10 2013 13: 30 New
              -1
              Quote: Yarbay
              then why gave examples of 9 paradise ones ??

              I bring positive news, you are negative.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 10 2013 13: 50 New
                0
                What is the positiveness of your news ??
                In deception?))
    2. tarks
      tarks April 10 2013 09: 33 New
      +4
      And do not forget that the Russian population is about half,

      in Ukraine - more than half, but slowly the tongue is slowly squeezed out. Together with a more or less decent education. So far, only language and monuments are crushing, but the Natsyuki are ALREADY in the rad ...
      in the Caucasus before the conflict was much less.

      And now?

      In short - it will not resolve itself. And only by force can not solve the problem.
      And about the fact that someone there understands something ... They will start acting young and brainless, as in Syria, Libya, Egypt ... everywhere. The threat is more than real.

      And by the way, what part of the Russian defense complex is located in Tatarstan?
    3. mamba
      mamba April 10 2013 12: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: gecko
      Tatarstan does not understand that when it is yanking from all sides, the border will be closed and all comfortable life will cease immediately.

      First of all, they will block the oil pipeline and heavy high-sulfur Tatar oil will be needed by no one. Until now, it was mixed with a light East Siberian, thus reducing the concentration of harmful impurities. Because of this, the cost of each barrel of Russian oil is reduced by about two dollars. Losses of oil companies amount to about $ 1 billion per year. As a result, not only miners lose, but also the state. With lower prices, the tax base is also reduced, therefore, the budget gets less than possible.
      My acquaintance, the Tatar, somehow cautiously remarked that they were completely foolish there in Kazan and began to oppress the Russians? So after all, they say, Russians will trample us from the Volga!
  7. fenix57
    fenix57 April 10 2013 09: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: Sirocco
    But isn’t it easier to give them not banknotes, but TOOLS, this will be the best help, not a freebie. Watch the story of the destruction of the last militants in the North. Cav. not at home but palaces. And look at the villages and villages of the center of Russia, the Urals and Siberia. Like rogues and homeless people. If this goes on then the Volga will become the Caucasus, and so on. You must not forget about your people, and you can not use it as a whipping boy. Harness for a long time, but quickly drive. Oh how I do not want to participate in these races. God forbid.

    Your words, yes KREMLIN in the ears. After all, various "advice on ..." above the roof, but little sense. hi
    I offer a passage from the text of the STRATEGY of national security of the RUSSIAN FEDERATION until 2020:
    " Priorities in the economic sphere have been solved, the investment attractiveness of the national economy has grown. The original Russian ideals, spirituality, and worthy attitude to historical memory are being revived. Consent is being strengthened on the basis of common values ​​- freedom and independence of the Russian state, humanism, international peace and the unity of cultures of the multinational people of the Russian Federation, respect for family traditions, patriotism."- how, but as they say: it was smooth on paper, yes, they forgot about the ravines, and go along them ... full text see: http://www.scrf.gov.ru/documents/99.html
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 10 2013 12: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      STRATEGIES of national security of the RUSSIAN FEDERATION until 2020:

      It looks like a mockery.
  8. pa_nik
    pa_nik April 10 2013 09: 35 New
    +5
    Quote: Sirocco
    Isn’t it easier to give them not banknotes, but TOOLS


    not easier .. because it is impossible to force a person who never works, to do business. They are busy with kidnapping and extortion for two hundred years. Earlier, Count Tolstoy dealt with these issues in his youth. lol

    Quote: pinecone
    It is quite possible, and not only the Volga region.


    With this attitude towards the population, the "servants of the people" will raise the whole country ... am

    And about the palaces - right! They have less than 3 floors - not a house. Given the cries about the lack of jobs, a logical question arises: where are the grandmas !? angry
  9. asbaev
    asbaev April 10 2013 10: 46 New
    +2
    Crush these lice
  10. Hort
    Hort April 10 2013 11: 04 New
    +4
    here they talked about alcohol as one of the main problems in Russia. So, according to the results of the study (there was an article on the website of the "Rossiyskaya Gazeta", it seems), THIRD of young Russians (under 30) completely refused to drink alcohol. So the main problems are a little different.
  11. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz April 10 2013 11: 22 New
    +2
    RIGHT Cossacks Act. Benefits, preferences, assistance in organizing and preparing. To give land and building materials to houses lifting on the farm. Tightening alcohol sales from the age of 21, increasing the price by at least 5 times + advertising sports and healthy lifestyle. And after 10 years, the law is completely dry. A tough fight against drugs, following the example of China. In 5-10 years, a quality recovery of the nation will occur. Spiritual, physical, mental. TV is rigidly subordinate to this task. Remove debilitating gears (and this is 95%). Then we get a qualitatively different country. With other people. And the militants will sit on the priest exactly. To avoid. Of course, much more needs to be done. Including the return of the death penalty.
    And I had to do it yesterday. Time is running out.
  12. Canep
    Canep April 10 2013 11: 39 New
    +1
    Send everyone to permanent residence in Yakutia, and if they can’t live without mountains, then there is the Verkhoyansk ridge, let them master it.
    1. Hort
      Hort April 11 2013 12: 44 New
      0
      or the Byrranga mountains in Taimyr =)
  13. SAR. 64.
    SAR. 64. April 10 2013 11: 58 New
    +7
    I myself am from Saratov, there is no Caucasus here. There is, of course, but they mostly trade in the market. If all the fuss was raised because of Tatarstan and Bashkiria, then I have a friend there and says that there is no "Islamization" ". There are a few boobies, but a very small number of them can be transplanted all at once. Who raised this wave and why, it is profitable for someone in the media to make a herd of elephants out of a fly.
  14. dema46
    dema46 April 10 2013 12: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: SAR.64.
    I myself am from Saratov, there is no Caucasus here. There is, of course, but they mostly trade in the market. If all the fuss was raised because of Tatarstan and Bashkiria, then I have a friend there and says that there is no "Islamization" ". There are a few boobies, but a very small number of them can be transplanted all at once. Who raised this wave and why, it is profitable for someone in the media to make a herd of elephants out of a fly.

    it’s also interesting that you constantly discuss at least a Makarov pistol, even a pimple on a hippo’s ass, the conversation somehow smoothly goes into the relations between the Russians and the Tatars. these are the same dibily as those who yell that Russia is for Russian!
  15. knn54
    knn54 April 10 2013 12: 47 New
    +4
    For the Russian law enforcement system, young people learning the basics of Islam automatically fall ... under suspicion of illegal actions. And as soon as a book is banned, young people rush to the Internet to familiarize themselves with its content, which contributes to its radicalization. Attempts by local bureaucrats, a lack of knowledge and authority, to oppose this with some kind of ideological arguments end in complete failure. The authorities respond to radicalization with increased repression, which, in turn, leads to further radicalization and an increase in protest moods. Thanks to ignorance, populist brands such as Hizb ut-Tahrir (and other sects) have emerged, attracting young people with the romanticism of utopian slogans about a world caliphate and general social justice. There is a deliberate destruction of the Russian Muslim elite, the "gold reserve" of the Russian ummah, with the aim of strengthening destructive structures.
    There is no effective state program for training Islamic personnel.
    You cannot lose an educated youth who is able to withstand radical views based on fundamental Sharia knowledge.
    The disregard for "traditional" Islam strengthens the radicals, who incite conflicts not only in the North Caucasus, but also in the Volga region, as well as in other regions of Russia.
    PS To pregnant Albanians, up to the birth of a child, the Saudis paid decent money in foreign currency. And then, all the social guarantees of Yugoslavia ...
  16. Ostanin
    Ostanin April 10 2013 12: 55 New
    +2
    In my opinion, with the appearance of militants from Russia in Syria, the laying out of videos where they are killed in a particularly cruel way is nothing more than discrediting Russia in the eyes of the Arab countries, and later preparing and redirecting the aggression of Muslims from the West, which started all this (Arab spring), in Russia. In this way, the West remains aloof and receives a weak Russia, and the Muslims the Great Jihad against Russia. I don’t even want to think about the consequences, because it will be very scary, not even for myself, but for those who still walk under the table. I don’t understand one thing, really, our authorities don’t understand this, they’re not only trying to prevent it, on the contrary, they bring this option of events closer.
  17. dc120mm
    dc120mm April 10 2013 13: 08 New
    -1
    ia ne dumaiu shto tak serozna dela kak gavariat vash smi.dumaiu eta preuvelechena.

    a eta kniga interesna budet no v gruziu ne budet, a mojna kupit spomoshu interneta?
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 10 2013 13: 27 New
      -2
      Quote: dc120mm
      ia ne dumaiu shto tak serozna dela kak gavariat vash smi.dumaiu eta preuvelechena.

      Yes, they do it on purpose, the media are the first provocateurs. And most importantly, many know this and are doing it with great pleasure, distributing it further. Well, it’s not in vain that in many countries the Internet is under control, and in some social networks it’s banned. they say that before the election it was generally strict that the blizzard would not be driven, it would seem to have been regattered there, so it’s more stable there, the power keeps abreast in this plan. Such wizards like the bulk one would have been soaring for a long time after the first performance with with his national speeches about Russia for the Russians. why doesn’t he go to Grozny with his slogans, what do you think? He’s afraid, is he right? He’ll just be buried in a ditch and no one will ever find him.
  18. fenix57
    fenix57 April 10 2013 14: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: dema46
    By the way, these are the same fuckers as those who scream that Russia is for Russian

    On this score, I recommend reading the article by A.Yu. PSHENITSYN "Russia. In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was - RUSSIAN". I can not say about the reliability of the facts below, but as they say, what are rich :"On October 17, 2004 honest noble people were invited to the Vremya studio. The assembled gentlemen willingly and with pleasure chirped about nothing, it was felt that they were well versed in this.

    But suddenly, one of the guests left the format of a thorough conversation and made a “discovery” equal to the discovery of America, long discovered (the name of the gentleman is, of course, known). He said the following: “Actually, according to UN standards, Russia is a MONO-national state, that is, Russian! But it’s not at all MNO-national, as written in the Russian Constitution. ” Dumbfounded by such turns of pleasant pastime, the incomparable Posner exclaimed bewilderedly: “So it means: the Russian Constitution is contrary to UN standards?” That's it, Vladimir Vladimirovich - contradicts! "Such are the times now." " fully see http://www.za-nauku.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4819&Itemid=33 hi
  19. kaprall
    kaprall April 10 2013 14: 22 New
    0
    Yes, not a very pleasant video, but all this is a consequence of the collapse of the USSR, when the regions were at the mercy of the local elites, naturally there is a circle of dissatisfied people who lack the "pie" and they start to fight for their rights. In the Caucasus, under the banner of Islam, there are enough radicals everywhere ...
  20. Black
    Black April 10 2013 15: 00 New
    +3
    The Caucasus will remain in the Caucasus.
    But socio-national aspects will change, and not only in the Volga region. And the main reason for this is of course the low birth rate among the non-Muslim population of Russia.
    the reasons for this should not be sought not in politics, nor in religion, nor in welfare.
    A large family is a peasant family, leading a "natural" economy, and so on. many children, many working hands. (in the Cossacks, land allotment was according to the number of men in the family !!!). An industrial, all the more post-industrial society in which children need to study for decades to get qualifications, contraception, pensions ... gives rise to a small family. This is the law.
    And the fact that the national composition will change is inevitable, but to say that the territorial or other division will change, the more so the dominance of Islam is horror stories, and nothing more.
  21. Salavat
    Salavat April 10 2013 16: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: SAR.64.
    I myself am from Saratov, there is no Caucasus here. There is, of course, but they mostly trade in the market. If all the fuss was raised because of Tatarstan and Bashkiria, then I have a friend there and says that there is no "Islamization" ". There are a few boobies, but a very small number of them can be transplanted all at once. Who raised this wave and why, it is profitable for someone in the media to make a herd of elephants out of a fly.

    all right. Tatars and Bashkirs to Islam are calm, without fanaticism, their mentality and can not be closely compared with the Caucasus. so there’s no reason to worry
  22. satellite
    satellite April 10 2013 17: 18 New
    0
    In Moscow, 1/3 of the Russians remained, and you remembered the Volga region, I certainly can’t imagine what will happen over time, but obviously something is not good. I don’t understand the GDP, it gives them green light everywhere, but they don’t like the power she counts, after all, plays with fire. All this smacks of fried
    1. Su24
      Su24 April 10 2013 17: 26 New
      0
      Let's not exaggerate.
  23. Su24
    Su24 April 10 2013 17: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Sirocco
    The other day we discussed a similar topic on one of the branches. On the issue of national politics. Unpublished mid-80s studyhttp://topwar.ru/26487-k-voprosu-o-nacionalnoy-politike.html#comment-id-1058476 Мое мнение, идет скрытый геноцид Русского населения. Ведь что было в действительности, возьмите начало прошлого века, меньше трех детей не было в Русских семьях, я могу точно сказать что у моих прадедов было 7 моих дедушек и бабушек. А сейчас что? гр. Средней Азии плодятся у нас в России, работают у нас, частично отнимая наши рабочие места, together with our entrepreneurs Is that normal? Something is wrong with our domestic politics. Take Sev Kav for example. I understand that such a huge infusion of money goes there for a reason. That would not be at war, and did not earn terror. And isn’t it easier to give them not banknotes, but TOOLS, this will be the best help, not a freebie. Watch the story of the destruction of the last militants in the North. Cav. not at home but palaces. And look at the villages and villages of the center of Russia, the Urals and Siberia. Like rogues and homeless people. If this goes on then the Volga will become the Caucasus, and so on. You must not forget about your people, and you can not use it as a whipping boy. Harness for a long time, but quickly drive. Oh how I do not want to participate in these races. God forbid.



    Tools, you say? Or can industry be restored there, for example, oil in Chechnya? The federal center will not do this; it is more convenient for the current government to tie the Caucasian republics to itself through the payment of subsidies; this is a mutual feeding trough for both federal and regional officials.
  24. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 10 2013 20: 54 New
    +1
    Blatant provocation. Tatarstan does not smell of any Islamists, there is a community of nationalists, but there are such people in any nation, especially since it is bad if people honor their ancestors, their deeds, grieve for tragic dates in history? Every nation has a national identity, without this the nation ceases to exist. For the same Tatars, nationalists are divided into Tengrians and Muslims. At the same time, any provocative stuffing against Russians on their websites is suppressed, there is dissatisfaction with the authorities pursuing a clumsy national policy, but sorry, Russians are also unhappy with it. "Someone" intentionally throws in information about the mythical "Wahhabis" of Tatarstan, don't believe it!
    PS: In general, "Wahhabis" are a canard launched by the media during the second Chechen war, it allowed to divide the Chechen society. In 2000. being there on a business trip, he repeatedly tried to find out from the locals who the "Wahhabis" were, but did not receive any intelligible answer, the standard answer was "These are those who are fighting the Russians." Those. any member of the underground automatically received the label "wahabite", while no one has any idea who they are and "what they eat them with", how is their interpretation of the Koran different?
  25. Captain45
    Captain45 April 10 2013 21: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: hort
    I know how in Norilsk these unemployed people feel: they give lifting 30 thousands, indulgences when paying for housing (the organization pays where they got paid), there are no deprivations of bonuses for jambs at work.

    And all why, yes, because Khloponin has problems with the unemployed in the UK, who may not need to go to the mountains. And the governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory L. Kuznetsov once worked in Khloponin's team at the same "Norilsk Nickel" and then when Khloponin was the governor of the region, also in the team. Now Khloponin is the Presidential Envoy, i.e. the position is higher and more powers than that of the Governor. But Kuznetsov is an old friend, so you can't help the Presidential Envoy, you look and he will put in a word for him, all the more, then Kuznetsov has enough stocks in the region. Here is the situation. What can I call nepotism, cronyism, corruption, I don’t know. I only know that this should not be at the state level. Here is just where to get honest and incorruptible? Maybe it is worth introducing the institution of commissioners , so that behind each official was someone with a revolver, eh?
  26. Hort
    Hort April 11 2013 13: 14 New
    0
    But why, because Khloponin in the UK has problems with the unemployed, who may not need to go to the mountains
    after all, this is stupidity - instead of creating local production, scattering the unemployed in the country, not taking into account the fact that there are enough of them in each region. It’s not even necessary to be a super economist to understand.