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"Calibers" and "Shtili" for the frigates of the project 11356M

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In the very near future, the Russian fleet will replenish with 3 new multi-purpose frigates of the far sea zone. Yantar Shipyard is engaged in the construction of a series of 3 frigates of project 11356R / M, which are designed for the Black Sea fleet Of Russia. These frigates are built on the basis of frigates of the Talwar type, which Russia supplies to India for export. In total, India has already received 5 frigates of this type, another 1 ship will be transferred to the Indian Navy this year. These ships are well mastered by industry and will help update the Russian fleet in anticipation of fine-tuning the frigates of project 22350.


The ships of the 11356M project - frigates “Admiral Grigorovich”, “Admiral Essen” and “Admiral Makarov” are planned to be incorporated into the Black Sea Fleet of Russia in 2014 year. In this case, the series has already been extended to 6 ships. It is reported that, under certain circumstances, it can be increased to 9-12 ships. New frigates inherited the best qualities of their predecessors. At the same time, they have qualitatively new weapons and electronic stuffing. The main armament of these frigates became the Caliber anti-ship missiles and the Shtil-1 anti-aircraft missile system.

Caliber-NK

The basis of the strike weapons of the new Russian frigates will be the Caliber-NK missile system, which is designed to defeat various classes and types of surface ships and submarines of the enemy, land stationary targets, and limited mobile targets with a previously known location under active fire and electronic countermeasures. This system on the frigates of the project 11356M consists of 8-mi self-guided high-explosive missiles. Anti-ship cruise missiles 3М-54ТЭ (with low-flying supersonic combat stage) and 3М-54ТЭ1 have a firing range from 10 to 220 and 300 km. accordingly (we are talking about the export version, there are no exact characteristics of the Russian versions of the missiles, but they are higher). The mass of the warhead is 200 and 400 kg, respectively, the maximum speed of flight to 700 m / s.
"Calibers" and "Shtili" for the frigates of the project 11356M
Frigate project 11356M

The formation and input of the flight task, as well as the pre-launch preparation, are carried out by a universal fire control system. Currently, foreign direct analogues to the Caliber-NK missiles simply do not exist. This complex was created in the Novator Design Bureau (Yekaterinburg). For Russia, this is the first launcher of a vertical missile launch. Due to the vertical launch of the missile complex Caliber-NK is located in the bow below the deck of the ship. Such placement is more compact and provides the least vulnerability to enemy attacks. Among other things, this installation can provide storage and launch of 3 types of anti-ship missiles, including Onyx anti-ship missiles and long-range cruise missiles.

The 3М-54Э and 3М-54Э-1 missiles ensure confident defeat of single and group naval targets (such as cruiser, destroyer, rocket boat, transport, landing craft) in the conditions of active electronic countermeasures. These missiles are equipped with a warhead, which produces an undermining at the optimum penetration depth. Combat use of these missiles is possible at any time of the year and day, on any part of the World Ocean, practically in any meteorological conditions.

The flight of a cruise missile is on the route laid down in advance in accordance with the intelligence information on the availability of air defense systems and the position of the target. The missiles are able to overcome the zone of a sufficiently developed air defense, which is ensured by the autonomy of targeting in the “silence” mode on the main leg of the flight and extremely low altitude. The rocket is navigated along a fairly complex trajectory of motion, it is possible to use predetermined reference points before 15, the rocket is able to approach the target from a given direction, bypassing the air defense systems and islands. ARGSN was created for the 3M54E rocket in the Radar-MMS design bureau - an active radar homing head, which in the year 2000 received the official name ARGS-54. This homing head has a maximum target range of 60 km. The length of ARGS-54 is 70 cm., Diameter 42 cm, weight - 40 kg. The active homing head has high noise immunity and can be effectively used at sea state up to 5-6 points.
3M-54E-1 rocket mockup

The anti-ship cruise missile 3М54Е consists of a starting stage, a subsonic winged low-flying sustainer stage, and a low-flying supersonic rocket stage with a solid-propellant rocket engine. The first stage of the rocket is used to exit the rocket from the launcher and its acceleration. After that, the starting stage is separated and the main engine starts, the plumage and wing open, the rocket drops to a height of 10-15 meters and flies to the target using information from the onboard inertial control system. The second - the march stage - ensures the flight of a rocket in the main segment of the trajectory, bringing the rocket to the target area. At this time, the search and seizure of the target by the active homing head is carried out, after which the third one - the combat stage of the rocket - is separated. It serves to overcome the enemy's air defense system at supersonic speeds.

SAM "Shtil-1"

SAM "Shtil-1" is a sea-based multichannel complex with vertical missile launch. This shipborne air defense system is designed to organize the all-round defense of a combat ship from all possible air attack weapons, including repelling massed aviation attacks and missile strikes, as well as strikes against surface and ground targets. For firing "Shtil-1" uses data from the ship's radar all-round. The complex provides omnidirectional defense of a carrier ship or a connection of ships from massive attacks of modern anti-ship and anti-radar missiles, strike aircraft.

The “Smooth-1” air defense missile system is a combination of a fire control system, missile launchers and a three-coordinate radar of a ship. Each complex can include from 1 to 3 combat modules (from 12 to 36 missiles). The modular launcher is an 12 transport-launch container (TLC) with missiles ready for launch, a hydraulic unit and an electronic equipment unit. The number of modules depends on the size of the combat ship. On the frigates of the project 11356М it is planned to install 3-x combat modules on 36 SAM.

The omnidirectional multichannel shipboard medium-range air defense missile system, “Calm-1”, can hit all the main air attack weapons at altitudes from 5 m to 15 km. at a distance of 50 km. The launchers of the complex can be installed both in the bow and stern of surface ships, the displacement of which exceeds 1500 tons. This anti-aircraft complex, depending on the configuration, is able to conduct simultaneous firing from 2 to 12 air targets.

The Shtil-1 SAM system was created by the Altair Moscow Research Institute of Radio Electronics and is a further development of the Uragan M-22 complex. The 9M317МЭ SAM, which is part of this complex, was developed by the Dolgoprudny Scientific-Production Enterprise (DNPP), this rocket is unified with the 9М317Е SAM, which is used in the land Buk-М2 system. For the first time, this air defense system was presented at the international exhibition Defexpo India in 2004. A distinctive feature of the air defense missile system is the use of missiles with a decked vertical start, the use of control computing tools with an open architecture, branched software and mathematical software, the use of multifunctional radar with phased antenna arrays.

In this case, the air defense complex “Shtil-1” is the system that is able to control the attached fire weapons and successfully accomplish the tasks of the air defense of a warship or connecting ships in general. The “Shtil-1” air defense missile system can be fairly easily integrated into the local, regional or federal air defense systems of a higher hierarchical level, as well as introduce other complexes into their structure to coordinate their actions during the development of shipboard air defense systems.
Single-stage, solid propellant rocket 9М317МЭ is located in TPK MS-487. The rocket is launched by an ejection method - the powder catapult throws the rocket to the height of 10 meters above the deck of the ship, where it makes a turn on the target, after which the rocket propulsion engines are launched. This solution allows to provide a circular defense of the ship (the shelling sector is equal to 360 degrees), and also to bring the rate of fire of the complex to 30 launches per minute, immediately after the departure of the first rocket, the second can be launched.
ZUR 9M317МЭ in TPK

The main difference of the 9М317МЭ anti-aircraft guided missile from its ground-based counterpart is significantly reduced wings, folding aerodynamic control wheels and the presence of a special gas rudder unit, which is located on the nozzle block of the sustainer solid-fuel engine. This unit is responsible for the automatic deviation of the rocket in the direction of the target after launch. Zour has a dual-mode main engine, which allows it to reach speeds up to 1550 m / s, the maximum range of the rocket - 50 km.

This rocket provides for the possibility of using an inertial-corrected control system, with a new semi-active Doppler radar homing head (GOS). The on-board equipment of the anti-aircraft missile is built on a fundamentally new element base and has broad functions of adapting to the working conditions, which ensures the maximum probability of hitting targets under conditions of strong radar counter-resistance from the enemy. The missile defense system is equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 62 kg. The rocket is equipped with contact and non-contact fuses. In TPK without carrying out routine work the rocket can be stored for up to 15 years.

Information sources:
-http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/3m54e1/3m54e1.shtml
-http: //www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/3m54.html
-http: //rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/schtil-1/schtil-1.shtml
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki
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  1. Alikovo
    Alikovo April 10 2013 08: 21 New
    +9
    armament is impressive but why exactly 3 build and not 5-6.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 10 2013 08: 37 New
      10
      Quote: Alikovo
      armament is impressive but why exactly 3 build and not 5-6.

      “Project 11356M ships — frigates Admiral Grigorovich, Admiral Essen and Admiral Makarov — are planned to be included in the Russian Black Sea Fleet in 2014. Moreover, the series has already been extended to 6 ships. It is reported that under certain circumstances it may be increased to 9-12 ships. "
    2. 123dv
      123dv April 10 2013 08: 40 New
      +2
      Build 3 + 3. On the thumb.
    3. Orik
      Orik April 10 2013 09: 21 New
      +4
      While three, then three more, and maybe 6-9. Immediately all production capacities are not enough, we tried in the 90s. Although in the union they built ships abroad, including fighting.
      1. dimaivkin
        dimaivkin 16 June 2013 11: 25 New
        +1
        good current is not enough 30 - 40 pieces need such !!!!!!!!!!!!
    4. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine April 10 2013 14: 12 New
      +6
      hi
      Quote: Alikovo
      but why exactly 3 build and not 5-6.


      At the Black Sea Fleet, 6 are being prepared, but you won’t build them right away. The plant is not rubber. And experts nat. Also, weapons must be ready for the building of the ship.
      In general, everything is not very bad. good
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  2. Romn
    Romn April 10 2013 08: 47 New
    +4
    Beautiful impressive ships, long service life!
  3. vadson
    vadson April 10 2013 09: 04 New
    +4
    good rockets, good ships, and a good toad crushes me so few of them
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 10 2013 09: 29 New
      22
      ten years ago one could only dream about it. He is not a supporter of Putin, but he is glad that re-equipment is underway, unexpected exercises began, etc., yes, even if the quantity of new equipment is not enough (I would even say insignificantly), but the world market once again confirmed the highest characteristics of our weapons and allowed not to bend the Russian defense industry.
      besides, it is not necessary to discount the economic situation at the moment, but I think that India has sharply reduced the cost of its production of weapons for domestic needs with its orders)) thanks to the Indians.
      "and a good toad presses me so there are so few of them" - I don’t hint at anything, but I remember how they collected money "all over the world" for the fleet (like after 1905) and for tank-planes in the Second World War. I’ll personally say for myself that if I suddenly if fees started (voluntary donations), I would definitely take part as far as my modest abilities (of course, provided that the expense and receipt of funds will be tightly controlled by the party ... well, you probably have to choose the “controllers” by popular vote) .and the Russian the rich could be generous (even on a boat for border guards)
      I remember on this site I read about the "private" public museum of WWII technology with the money of some oligarch, which means that some still have ideas of a strong state and not everyone has a thirst for money.
      I believe that Russia will be able to overcome this difficult era
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 10 2013 10: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: fartfraer
        ten years ago one could only dream about it. not a supporter of Putin

        are you shy? winked or are you working on two fronts? wassat
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 10 2013 13: 41 New
          +2
          do not look in my words for what is not there. What president I think Putin cannot be written will be attracted for "inciting", but I do not deny the facts that we have begun some positive changes.
        2. fokino1980
          fokino1980 April 10 2013 22: 24 New
          +1
          To frankly say: “There would be no Putin, there would be no these ships, and much more that the Motherland needs” I am not shy. laughing
          1. Snake4
            Snake4 April 12 2013 14: 13 New
            -2
            It would not be Putin, there would be another president who cares not about his friends and residences, but about defense capability - we would already have more than 50% of new equipment in the troops. So it’s not necessary to reduce everything to the same thought.
            1. lazy
              lazy April 17 2013 18: 36 New
              +4
              there was another president called Yeltsin, the troops had nothing new. but the troops had what they wanted
      2. dimarm74
        dimarm74 April 11 2013 09: 22 New
        +1
        In the city of Verkhnyaya Pyshma, Sverdlovsk region. WWII equipment near the Uralelectromed plant and the memorial. They collect all over the country that they find and restore. The whole workshop is only doing this. What does a piece of equipment on the go.
    2. Arberes
      Arberes April 10 2013 09: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: vadson
      good rockets, good ships,

      Missiles are really beautiful, but with ships it’s more difficult, but GOD will master them!
      And about the BIUS there is no information?
      How is it about healthy competition for the notorious "AJIS" ???
      1. vadson
        vadson April 10 2013 16: 32 New
        +1
        for such crap to work, we need an orbital constellation of satellites, but do we have it? glonas? what can she do? here's the question - let's say the transfer of coordinates of an interceptor missile - yes, otherwise why was it created? transfer of target coordinates? It should also be, there is no difference which information to transmit. the question is how to track the attacked object, we don’t have radars everywhere, we don’t cover the whole ball with them
        1. Belo_biletnik
          Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 16: 41 New
          +3
          “Liana” should be collected in 2015-2016. There is no exact information on it. All damn secret))
  4. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross April 10 2013 09: 21 New
    +6
    not bad for us 3-6. give 12-24 corbles to 20 years.
  5. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 10 2013 09: 40 New
    +6
    In general, it’s not entirely clear why do we need parallel construction of two almost identical frigates 11356 and 22350? After all, it was initially clear that setting up mass production of 11356 is much simpler (1135 Petrel is the most massive TFR project in the USSR and the most successful) and cheaper, which was proved that when the economy collapsed, SIX ships were delivered to India, but we never built so much for ourselves (in the sense of the Russian Federation). In principle, 11356 is an almost perfect frigate, good strike capabilities, reliable air defense, and in addition a good supply of modernization and modification of the project. Another would be a helicopter with a radar for target designation Caliber and a small anti-ship missile system so as not to spend Caliber boats and in general there will be what you need ...
    1. RMRS
      RMRS April 10 2013 19: 03 New
      +2
      That’s exactly what they’re delaying with the construction of 22350, so they are planning to build on the rolled-up (11356 series and the like), there’s nothing strange in that, it’s strange that these unfortunate 22350 builds for a long time (If they fit in 2 -3 years then no one would say a word.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 11 2013 03: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      In general, it’s not entirely clear why do we need parallel construction of two almost identical frigates 11356 and 22350?

      It is ten times more incomprehensible why send 11356 to the Black Sea, when the Pacific Fleet needs priority updating.
      What actually do 11356 in the Black Sea? Scare Georgia?
      1. RMRS
        RMRS April 11 2013 18: 06 New
        0
        And Black Sea, no less, because the Turkish fleet is strong + plans for a squadron in the Mediterranean. It is necessary to restore the fleet everywhere, because now it is not particularly correct to speak where it is more necessary, because we need everywhere (
    3. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 11 2013 21: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: Nayhas
      most successful

      "Blind with a club", just about 1135
      Quote: Nayhas
      11356 almost perfect frigate

      With his PLO it's just not funny wassat
  6. Deniska
    Deniska April 10 2013 09: 48 New
    +3
    Yes, for each of the fleets of pieces of 7 ... The soul would have stuck ... and in the appendage to them of missile cruisers would be pieces of 5;) And somehow it would be possible for the fleets to march jointly for example to the shores of Cuba)))
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 11 2013 15: 55 New
      +1
      Do you want pills from greed? ;)
  7. Canep
    Canep April 10 2013 10: 01 New
    +3
    Recently I came across information about the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Russia - approx. 700 billion, I think why Putin adopted such a modest weapons program - only 26 submarines. At least half of these reserves can be built. I came to the conclusion - there is not enough production capacity (shipyards). I think it was necessary to start with the construction of a couple of new shipyards (the leading factory in the USSR in Nikolaev, now it is Ukraine), especially as Hindus and Chinese buy our ships.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 10 2013 16: 54 New
      +3
      Today, the main problem is personnel. Old specialists who survived are retired. In fact, they can no longer work. Middle-aged men - where they pay better. Young people do not know how and do not want to work. It takes seven to ten years to quench staff shortages.
  8. Sirocco
    Sirocco April 10 2013 10: 37 New
    +2
    Not a ship, but a handsome man !!! A good splinter in the ass of Turkey, and for ships with a missile defense system from the United States. Seven feet under the keel. good
  9. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 10 2013 10: 51 New
    +1
    Russia doesn’t produce anything, it was discussed yesterday. Once that man said it means the truth, most of them held it. And in general, everything you see on the street and at home is all photoshop and hallucinations.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes April 10 2013 12: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: djon3volta
      Russia doesn’t produce anything, it was discussed yesterday. Once that man said it means the truth, most of them held it. And in general, everything you see on the street and at home is all photoshop and hallucinations.

      Calm down respected produces, of course produces.
      But everything is painfully painful for a very long time, and not always successful the first time (BULAVA, LADA, etc. BOREY), and so on. That's what we are talking about here.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 10 2013 12: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Arberes
        Calm down respected produces, of course produces.

        and on the Internet you read komenty, they don’t say it that way .. and the guy that yesterday also says-Russia doesn’t produce anything .. and most importantly he was held by the majority, 100 people somewhere)))
        1. Arberes
          Arberes April 10 2013 13: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: djon3volta
          and on the Internet you read komenty, they don’t say it that way .. and the guy that yesterday also says-Russia doesn’t produce anything .. and most importantly he was held by the majority, 100 people somewhere)))

          Yes, a little exaggerated, here I agree with you.
          People always want and expect more! What can you do, psychology.
        2. Mhpv
          Mhpv April 10 2013 14: 34 New
          +2
          I didn’t like yesterday’s man either. I wrote in the commentary that he was not the president but the chairman of the collective farm and that’s it. His collective farm is a mini state and I don’t think that everyone was happy with him. And let him not tell tales that he didn’t pay gangsters, nobles paid others.
        3. vadson
          vadson April 10 2013 16: 39 New
          +3
          the point is that Russia is currently using its natural resources and the technological backlog that has remained from the union, i.e. something that can bring money from nothing (the budget), but we do not care about agriculture, utilities - those industries in which long-term investments are needed, and this is not beneficial to the government or the oligarchs. THE STATE IS FUCKING ON PEOPLE, they have their own interests, privatization, offshore, duties, second .......
  10. jayich
    jayich April 10 2013 11: 07 New
    0
    Eh such things would be 2-3 on constant duty (2-3 at this time on planned maintenance and repair) in the Mediterranean + Moscow (oh why don't they build them now we really need them) + Mistralka + couple BDK + 1 BOD + couple “LAD” and no one will climb to Syria either.
    A good splinter in the soft spot of the sixth fleet will be fellow laughing
  11. patsantre
    patsantre April 10 2013 11: 09 New
    +3
    A ship is good, although frankly speaking, the air defense is not very impressive, 50 km of the destruction zone is enough for missile defense only. In this regard, project 22350 with polymer (which has claims, tests fails supposedly) will be more attractive.
    It is also interesting, as I understand it, that there is no AWACS helicopter on it, where then can we get target designation? It’s not always possible and time to drive an AWACS plane from land.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 10 2013 11: 38 New
      +2
      And why is Redoubt better? Look at the range of the anti-ship missile system of the “probable adversary”, + the radio horizon and you will understand that the sense is from 100 km. absolutely no redoubt range. Calm acts within the radio horizon, which is more than justified.
      PS: or do you think that enemy aircraft will operate at altitudes of 6-10 km. to the joy of the air defense system?
      1. patsantre
        patsantre April 10 2013 12: 01 New
        -1
        Amers have a bunch of AWACS planes, which allows aviation to work because of the radio horizon. And if the enemy is not them?
        And not all RCCs fly along a low trajectory throughout the flight. At the same onyx, the trajectory is combined.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas April 10 2013 12: 57 New
          -3
          Suppose we will fight with ourselves, or India? Come on, look at the characteristics of the most “running” anti-ship missiles, they all fly at low altitudes and have a range of 100 km.
          Exoset MM-40 Block III - 180km. -France
          RBS-15 Mk3 - 200km. - Sweden
          NSM (Naval Strike Missile) - 185km. - Norway
          YJ-62 (C-602) - 400km. - China
          YJ-82 (C-802A) - 180km. - China
          YJ-83 (C-803) - 160km. - China
          Now, if we had a helicopter with a radar that would provide a search for low-flying targets and could carry out missile guidance, it would make sense in long-range air defense systems.
          1. rolik
            rolik April 10 2013 13: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Nayhas
            they all fly at low altitudes and have a range of 100 km.

            Low altitude, range, all right. That's just not all supersonic go.
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas April 10 2013 14: 59 New
              -3
              The issue was not speed, but the range of the air defense systems. “Calm” “shoots” at 50 km, and “Redoubt” at 120, but they will have the same distance on low-altitude targets due to the radio horizon, so Redut has no advantages.
              1. rolik
                rolik April 11 2013 13: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: Nayhas
                but for low-altitude targets they will have the same distance because of the radio horizon, so Redut has no advantages.

                Of course, I understand that you can confuse sunset with scrambled eggs. But to confuse anti-ship missiles with anti-aircraft missiles is already the height of perfection. The article talks about anti-aircraft missiles and anti-ship missiles. And where does the Redoubt refer to Calm. These are two different complexes, comparing them is like comparing an ass with a finger. And supersonic was said for RCC. At whom RCCs supersonic approach the target?
          2. patsantre
            patsantre April 10 2013 16: 13 New
            -3
            Quote: Nayhas
            Now, if we had a helicopter with a radar that would provide a search for low-flying targets and could carry out missile guidance, it would make sense in long-range air defense systems.


            It’s very bad that the frigate doesn’t have it, but without an external control unit, this frigate still turns into a useless bucket with nuts, because it will not be able to shoot anywhere further than 40 km ... which means that some sort of AWACS from another ship is larger, or from this frigate itself, and sometimes it’s possible to drive an AWACS plane from land ...
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas April 10 2013 16: 26 New
              0
              Well, what can I say. If the military orders, it is possible that our military-industrial complex will be mastered, if only it would not work out with the dimensions of the Mi-26 ...
              1. Rriv
                Rriv April 10 2013 16: 51 New
                +3
                He is - Ka-31
                1. Nayhas
                  Nayhas April 10 2013 20: 14 New
                  0
                  Yeah, in duplicate. Its capabilities are very modest, it cannot produce guidance of either SAM or anti-ship missiles, moreover, its mass is somewhat large, 11,5 tons is normal take-off, while for Kuznetsov it’s not critical, then for 11356 it’s too much, for comparison, Sea Hawk has 8 tons in anti-submarine version and 7,8v anti-ship ... Yes, and the idea of ​​a folding antenna is frankly stupid ...
  12. bright
    bright April 10 2013 11: 46 New
    +5
    Of course, I could be wrong, but the photo and the helicopter hangar are clearly visible on the photo. + According to the wiki info, it carries 1 helicopter.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 10 2013 12: 16 New
      0
      As far as I understand, there is a PLO helicopter there. Although, it may be possible to cut AWACS. But, again, a PLO is a victim.
  13. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 10 2013 14: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Canep
    I think it was necessary to start with the construction of a couple of new shipyards (the leading factory in the USSR in Nikolaev, now it is Ukraine), especially as Hindus and Chinese buy our ships.

    Three ships are better in our position than one shipyard hi
  14. Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear April 10 2013 15: 53 New
    -1
    what good are caliber rockets if their range is 300km?
  15. silver_roman
    silver_roman April 10 2013 15: 54 New
    +2
    all is well, only one thing was embarrassing: is it possible that the range of the Shtil-1 missile is 50 km?
    For example, if any aircraft approaches 60 or 70 km and launches anti-ship missiles with a range of 100 km, then you will have to fight back not from the aircraft, but from the anti-ship missiles, which is not very impressive. Of course there are no analogues to BrahMos, but for example, he can beat 300 km. I mean, the adversary will definitely find something with a range of more than 50 km.

    But on the other hand, the corvette should be covered by sea or coastal aviation or, say, in conjunction with a frigate / destroyer. which will have something similar to the s-300F (in the future, the s-400F).
    1. Belo_biletnik
      Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 16: 47 New
      +1
      Dear given ranges of export options Clab-n (Export version Caliber) TTX Caliber seems to be classified.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman April 10 2013 16: 53 New
        0
        belay
        Dear, I spoke about the range of the Shtil-1 air defense missiles, and not the Caliber (these are two different things), which will be equipped with frigates of the 11356M project for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. This is not an export modification. You are talking about the Talwar and Club-n installation - an export version of our Caliber complex. so do not confuse!
        1. Belo_biletnik
          Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 17: 05 New
          -1
          Quote: silver_roman
          Of course there are no analogues to BrahMos, but for example, he can beat 300 km. I mean, the adversary will definitely find something with a range of more than 50 km.

          Sorry of course, but Bramos is RCC.
          Our SAM, which can far hit the s300f, will not fit into this frigate.

          PS minus returned
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 10 2013 17: 16 New
            0
            I wrote to the s-300f account that perhaps the corvette would be covered by some frigate / destroyer in the group that would be armed with the s-300f (s-400f) or naval aviation.
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 10 2013 17: 28 New
            0
            How will we fight with aircraft in this case ?????
            That's about the situation I had in mind. I was not too lazy, even in Paint I got a scheme))).
            Waiting for your suggestions!
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 10 2013 17: 34 New
              0
              Well, everything is simple in the diagram) it is necessary for the frigate to approach the target in full swing and put her to sleep)) sorry for the flood)
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman April 10 2013 17: 37 New
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                Well, as if LA is an airplane ... I imagine that a frigate was chasing an airplane)). Here it’s a matter of a couple of minutes: it flew up, received the coordinates of the target from AWACS, guided, fired RCC and left.
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer April 10 2013 19: 59 New
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                  I understood you, just joked)
              2. patsantre
                patsantre April 10 2013 19: 05 New
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                Quote: fartfraer
                Well, everything is simple in the diagram) it is necessary for the frigate to approach the target in full swing and put her to sleep)) sorry for the flood)


                Immediately to ram
            2. Belo_biletnik
              Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 18: 02 New
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              There are ersatz options such as deck helicopters with radar, but I think there are only two options: either do not crawl out from under the cover of your aviation and coastal air defense, or carry aircraft carriers with an aircraft like Hokka)
            3. Belo_biletnik
              Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 18: 09 New
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              The RCC range of 200 km is that you have put forward sparing conditions. Here is a digger
              "Aircraft cruise missile AGM-84H SLAM-ER (Standoff Land Attack Missile Expanded Response) range 270 (280) km"
              I think if you look for something even cooler you can find.
        2. Belo_biletnik
          Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 17: 08 New
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          "The 3M-54TE anti-ship cruise missiles (with a low-flying supersonic warhead) and 3M-54TE1 have a firing range of 10 to 220 and 300 km, respectively (we are talking about the export version, there are no exact characteristics of the Russian versions of the missiles, but they are higher)."

          I think that the characteristics of club-n /
          1. Belo_biletnik
            Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 17: 11 New
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            Kstiti about marine air defense systems. Is it interesting to finish the polement or are they still tormented?
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman April 10 2013 17: 30 New
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              something is not heard yet about him. Here it would just be very handy in the case we are discussing! He seemed to have a rocket with a range of over 120 km.
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 10 2013 17: 15 New
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            apparently I'm not expressing myself correctly.
            When I talked about BrahMos, I meant that, for example, an aircraft with anti-ship missiles on board would fly at a distance of 100 km and launch a couple of missiles into the frigate. Our air defense system will be able to repel only the attack of the missiles themselves, but not like the aircraft itself, because it will be at a distance exceeding the flight range of 50 km. (TTX SAM 9M317)
            What you write is yes. it is an export modification of Caliber. We just started talking about different things.
            ps minus I threw in the wake of your first, so mine is not to blame for anything))
            1. Belo_biletnik
              Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 17: 28 New
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              I understand you, I share your point of view on vulnerability from aviation, the problem is that only a complex like s-300F (such as those on the Orlans that are in operation) can really cover up + 100% reliable ship missile defense system (although there is no such one yet) or its own ship aviation (which, in view of the lack of full-fledged aircraft carriers, we do not yet have). Therefore, the seas of the oceans plow the Ameri Aircraft carrier formations ...
              1. Belo_biletnik
                Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 17: 31 New
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                This is all to the fact that it’s not worthwhile to demand from the frigates the capabilities of object-based air defense, amers and something like Aegis puts destroyers on destroyers ..
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman April 10 2013 17: 35 New
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                  Well, we are talking about our main opponents, which are carriers in the fleet - the main tools for "democratization". Therefore, it is worth considering our naval resources in the fight against them, and not with Somali pirates)).

                  And the S-300f is only on an eagle. crying

                  It seems they were planning to design the S-400F. They are silent about this. Although it seems they are already doing the S-500. By the way, it is also unknown about the long-range missile s-400 (ground-based complex). At least I have not heard for a long time.

                  And the 3 eagles are silent about the modernization. It seems that already 1 will not be modernized. Only 2 others ((.
                  1. Belo_biletnik
                    Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 17: 54 New
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                    Quote: silver_roman
                    Well, we are talking about our main opponents, which are carriers in the fleet - the main tools for "democratization".

                    I think aircraft carriers are more likely symbols of the power of the US Navy. Yes, an aircraft carrier’s connection is capable of sending a grouping of ships to the bottom, but they won’t pull up against land aviation, air defense systems + coastal command and control missiles. Yes, and no one has canceled the risk of nuclear mushrooms over cities

                    P.S. Damn us is not something that the Eagles to modernize, God forbid, to pass the frigates normally and on time (
            2. patsantre
              patsantre April 10 2013 19: 08 New
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              Quote: silver_roman
              When I talked about BrahMos, I meant that, for example, an aircraft with anti-ship missiles on board would fly at a distance of 100 km and launch a couple of missiles into the frigate. Our air defense system will be able to repel only the attack of the missiles themselves, but not like the aircraft itself, because it will be at a distance exceeding the flight range of 50 km. (TTX SAM 9M317)


              The problem is that this frigate itself will not be able to bring down this aircraft without target designation, even if it could shoot calm for 100 km.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman April 10 2013 19: 59 New
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                How is it??? it seems like the radars there are quite powerful.
                1. patsantre
                  patsantre April 11 2013 15: 51 New
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                  Have you heard about the radio horizon?
  16. jjj
    jjj April 10 2013 16: 59 New
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    In this topic, we can be pleased that the project was launched and worked on Indian money. There were a lot of problems in coordinating the work of weapons systems and other electronics. Delayed deadlines. With each new ship, the situation improved. Yes, there is experience in practical application. Adjusted for everything, the “Russian” series will go.
    1. Belo_biletnik
      Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 17: 09 New
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      Well, the frigates of project 22350 are not so lucky ...
  17. xomaNN
    xomaNN April 10 2013 17: 14 New
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    I am very glad that they left the Fort's revolving scheme. It was difficult for me to understand before why the Navy customers instead of the a la Aegis option went that way.
  18. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city April 10 2013 23: 19 New
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    Guards guards ate a liter sewed on the clave to knock hard.
    1.Zrk 50 km is quite good. Excludes adjustable bombs.
    2. The Caliber family has a range of up to 3500 km. (We do not have the right to export Bramos further than 300).
    3.11356m Spent and not expensive ship !!!! the corvette 20350 (2500t.) is more expensive, so they won’t be produced anymore.
    1. Windbreak
      Windbreak April 11 2013 10: 54 New
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      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      2. The family Caliber has a range of up to 3500 km.
      Rear Admiral Sergey Alekminsky, Commander of the Caspian Flotilla: “I’ll say that the best ship is not in quotation marks, but that it is the first surface ship in history that is armed with the latest Caliber missile system. Which is not found on more than one missile ship Navy: In principle, not one surface ship now has such a long-range firing as our ship. He shoots more than two thousand kilometers on a coastal target. And 350 kilometers by sea. "
    2. patsantre
      patsantre April 11 2013 15: 53 New
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      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      2. The Caliber family has a range of up to 3500 km. (We do not have the right to export Bramos further than 300).


      Where does the data come from? If the export version shoots at 300km and weighs 2t, while ours is supposedly at 3500, then I'm afraid to imagine its mass ...
  19. de klermon
    de klermon April 10 2013 23: 36 New
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    In my opinion, the technical characteristics of the ship and its armament fully correspond to its class and purpose! Dear forum users, who have spoken out earlier, present requirements for this project that are more suitable for the destroyer, or even the URA cruiser ... Is a frigate a ship of rank 2 or not? There will be an article about ships of the 1st rank, it will be possible to talk about the S-400F!

    PS According to RIA Novosti, a senior representative of the main headquarters of the Russian Navy: “All of the 1144 nuclear-powered missile cruisers in reserve will be returned to the Russian Navy by 2020.”
    In total, taking into account anti-aircraft missiles, the Eagles will carry more than 300 missiles of various types, including S-400F.
  20. Andrey77
    Andrey77 April 11 2013 15: 54 New
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    Such news cheers up more than the May 9th Parade. The Black Sea Fleet will finally get something.
  21. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov April 13 2013 05: 20 New
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    Good day, dear forum users. Are there any accurate data on the armament of these ships? It is reliably known that there will be 1x8 PU UKKS, UVP "Shtil" (the exact number is not reliably known 24, 32 or 36). There will be exactly 1x1-100 mm AU A-190 (only the Stels tower is not known or not). GAS - they will install "Platinum", the same as on the destroyers of the project 956 and cruisers of the project 1164, only on the new element base. The rest is guesswork. If anyone knows, enlighten.
  22. Mikola
    Mikola April 17 2013 14: 14 New
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    Frigates of project 1136.x is a lifesaver for the Russian fleet! Firstly, it is standardization of the type for the fleet, secondly, in case of problems of the Russian economy, a large series will make them cheap, thirdly, the phased introduction of new weapons systems will remove a bunch of problems in developing new systems while maintaining the combat readiness of ships. The fourth conclusion, the next frigate MUST be developed on the basis of project 1136.5, so that the first three pluses do not disappear (the implementation of the new frigate 22350 project is already known to stall). And it would be logical to do the project of a new destroyer again on the basis of project 1136.5. It will turn out to be a fairly logical line for the development of the fleet with cheap implementation, similar to the US Berkeley destroyers. It is foolish to invent a bicycle when there is this successful project.
  23. dimaivin
    dimaivin 24 May 2013 02: 15 New
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    all Russians are coming
  24. mithridate
    mithridate 16 June 2013 13: 39 New
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    more such ships
  25. Gomel
    Gomel 19 February 2016 11: 34 New
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    The anti-ship cruise missiles 3M-54ТЭ (with a low-flying supersonic combat stage) and 3М-54ТЭ1 have a firing range from 10 to 220 and 300 km. accordingly (we are talking about the export version, there are no exact characteristics of the Russian versions of the missiles, but they are higher). The mass of the warhead is 200 and 400 kg, respectively, the maximum flight speed is up to 700 m / s.



    after the events of the end of 2015 the beginning of 2016. article can be safely upgraded :))))