Military Review

India upgrades all Russian MiG-29

73
The MiG-1980 fighter jets acquired as early as the end of the 1990s and the beginning of the 29s will continue to serve in the Indian Air Force at least until the end of the next decade. India has begun to modernize Soviet fighters under the MiG-29UPG program. The main objective of this modification is to bring the fighters to the level of capabilities of the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB, which are currently being supplied for the needs of the Indian Navy. The basic modifications of the MiG-29 fighter are intended only to achieve superiority in the air, while the upgraded MiG-29UPG will be able to attack ground objects and ships, both stationary and in motion, at any time of the day or night regardless of weather conditions .


MiG-29 front-line fighters have been in service with the Indian Air Force since the 1987 year. In total, India received from the USSR and Russia 80 fighters of this type. This includes 70 single-seat MiG-29B and 10 twin-training MiG-29UB fighters. The delivery of the first batch of 44 aircraft began in the 1987 year, the second batch of 26 fighters was delivered in the 1989 year, the third batch - another 10 machine - delivered in the 1994 year. Fighters of this type serve in the 3 squadrons of the Indian Air Force: from December 1987 - in 28 and 47, and since November 1989 - in 223. Since then, as a result of accidents and flight accidents, 11 aircraft were lost (it is known that the 4 fighter was lost in disasters, another 7 in accidents). All in service with the Indian Air Force remains 69 aircraft of this type.

Negotiations on the supply of the latest at that time fighter MiG-29 for the Indian Air Force began in the middle of the 80-ies of the last century. In the 1986-1995 years, India acquired a total of 80 aircraft of this type. This deal was supposed to balance Pakistan’s purchase of American F-16A fighter jets. Then the Indian military attached great importance to this purchase.
India upgrades all Russian MiG-29

But at the end of the 1990-s, the MiG-29 was in the shadow of an ambitious program for the delivery of Su-30 fighter jets. Today, these heavy, multi-purpose vehicles form the basis of the power of the Indian Air Force. Despite this, the MiG-29 continue to carry out their military service in the Indian sky. At the same time, the contract for the purchase of the deck version of the MiG-29K for the Indian Navy gave impetus to the modernization program of the existing ground-based fighters. By this time, the number of MiG-29 fighters had already decreased. The remaining fighters were decided to upgrade.

A number of experts questioned the feasibility of a program to upgrade the MiG-29, pointing to plans to supply Rafale fighter jets to India 126. But the predicted difficulties that will arise during the development of the licensed assembly of these fighters and its initial use, force the Indian military leadership to focus on maintaining the combat capabilities of fighters acquired in 80-90 years of the last century.

Modernization of the Indian front-line fighters MiG-29 to the version of the MiG-29UPG is carried out under the contract, which was signed in 2009 year. The amount of the deal between the two countries is estimated at 900 million dollars. From the Russian side, RAC MiG takes part in this transaction. Thanks to the modernization program, the service life of the fighters will be brought to 40 years. Aircraft will receive new airborne electronic equipment, as well as new radar "Zhuk-M". This airborne radar is able to detect up to 60 various air targets at a distance of up to 200 km.

Modernization of the first 6 fighters MiG-29 for the Indian Air Force has already begun, the aircraft will be upgraded at the Nizhny Novgorod aircraft factory "Falcon" of the MiG corporation. At the same time, the remaining 90% (we are talking about 63 fighters) will be upgraded directly in India at one of the repair facilities of the Air Force. At the same time, it is planned to use the sets of equipment supplied by RAC "MiG". As part of the modernization, the fighters will receive a complex of modern avionics, which is unified with the similar complex of MiG-29K ship-borne fighters already delivered to India. It is reported that the onboard equipment MiG-29UPG will include modern systems of Indian corporations Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd and Bharat Dynamics Ltd, as well as systems and devices manufactured in France and several other countries.

In addition to the new onboard equipment, the upgraded front-line fighters will receive an expanded nomenclature of weapons. It is also planned to finalize the power plant and airframe. Without this, it would be impossible to imagine the growth of the service life and resource of the machine. At the same time, the aircraft will be equipped with an in-flight refueling system, and the onboard fuel will be increased by using a surface-mounted fuselage tank located behind the pilot's cabin. These activities allowed the fighter range to be increased by 1000-1500 km.

In general, we can state the fact that the adopted concept of modernization of Indian MiG-29s corresponds to the MiG-29SMT program adopted in Russia. Since 2009, these fighters have entered service with Russian aviation parts and have already been successfully mastered by pilots. When creating the avionics complex of the improved MiG-29UPG fighter, at the request of the customer, the integration of production systems from different countries ("international board") was implemented. This experience was gained a long time ago and proved itself quite successfully, in particular, in the framework of the modernization of the MiG-21UPG Bison fighters, as well as the creation and construction of the MiG-29K / KUB and Su-30MKI fighters.

The basis of the weapons management system of the new fighter will be the Zhuk-M2E radar, equipped with a slotted antenna array, which was created and manufactured by Phazotron-NIIR, as well as an optical radar station - OLS-UEM with thermal imaging, television and laser observation channels, developed by the Moscow Research Institute of Precision Instrument Engineering (OAO NPK SPP). Similar OLS and radar are already used on the ship version of the MiG-29 fighter. The information and control field of the cockpit is built on the basis of multifunctional color liquid-crystal displays. The “international” segment of the fighter’s avionics equipment includes the inertial-satellite navigation system of the French company Sagem, the Thales helmet-mounted target targeting system, the Israeli jamming station and the Indian radio intelligence station (similar systems are used on MiG-29K / KUB aircraft).

Additional armament of the upgraded fighters, as well as on the MiG-29K / KUB 29SMT, will be medium-range air-to-air missiles with active radar homing head RVV-AE, as well as high-precision means of destruction of sea and ground targets - X-31А anti-ship missiles, equipped with active radar homing, X-29T general-purpose missiles, equipped with a television homing head, X-31P anti-radar missiles with a CGS passive CGS, and also CAB-X adjustable bombs NUMXcr with television homing on target.

Information sources:
-http: //rus.ruvr.ru/2013_04_04/Indijskie-MiGi-polet-prodolzhaetsja
-http://www.take-off.ru/news/107-news-1-2-2011/559--29upg-2-2011
-http: //www.sukhoi.org/news/company/? id = 4054
Author:
73 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone April 10 2013 08: 31 New
    +4
    It would be interesting to read an article comparing modernized versions of different countries, this famous Soviet-Russian fighter!
  2. vadson
    vadson April 10 2013 08: 37 New
    +6
    a good car, the Indians are happy with the brain - they will upgrade at our enterprises and with our components, they will fall less
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 10 2013 12: 40 New
      +3
      hmm, and the presence of what determines the order for 126 Rafaley ??? Of course, I am not aware of all the nuances in the Indian Ministry of Defense, but the more varieties of equipment in the army, the more hemorrhoids. The USSR was already stepping on this rake at one time. And the Indians now have to transfer their technical base to NATO standards (rafal). and on the nose and their FGFA. There will also be a base there. In short, the variety is like in a zoo.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 10 2013 12: 45 New
        +2
        The Hindus apparently do not want to depend on one supplier. Which is also correct. One side. And on the other, the problems of supporting this zoo are just emerging. By the way, they can acquire some technologies of rafal - also a definite plus.
        and on the nose and their FGFA

        Until our PAK FA joins the troops, this is out of the question. I think so.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman April 10 2013 13: 16 New
          +1
          well that's right. whatever ... market diversification)). Just the costs are much higher. So there is a mistrust of us, although this is logical!
          Until our PAK FA joins the troops, this is out of the question. I think so.

          I agree to all 100. Considering that ours is in the 15th year, then they will start to cut, for 20 + - 2 years will go. It seems that the plans are so. although our plans are failing. But nevertheless, on the scale of re-equipment (transition) to a new generation of aircraft, this is not a long time.
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 10 2013 15: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: silver_roman
        And the Indians now have to transfer their technical base to NATO standards (rafal).

        Everything is already there. In the Air Force, the Navy of India-Mig-21, Mig-27, Mig-29, Su-30, Jaguar, Mirage-2000, Sea Harrier. They are retiring Harrier, Mig-21, Mig-27, but they take Tejas, Mig- 29K, Rafal.
        Why do they need such a zoo, this great mystery is.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 10 2013 15: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          Why do they need such a zoo, this great mystery is.


          Odysseus, welcome, +! : drinks Something you did not list the entire Indian "zoo"? wink

          [img=left]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O0lR5L6APdU/ULiVFvWgd1I/AAAAAAAARvA/TU7upQPO
          WP0 / s1600 / Against + a + rare + backdrop + of + six + fighter + variants + - + IAF + Hawk + AJT + in + cent
          re+foreground%2C+%28L+to+R%29+Mig-27%2C+Mirage-2000%2C+Su-30+MKI%2C+an+RSAF+F-16
          D + and + an + IAF + Mig-21 + FL + - + IAF + and + RSAF + personnel + during + the + Joint + Military + Traini
          ng + at + Kalaikunda + airbase-770056.jpg [/ img]
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus April 10 2013 15: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            Odysseus, welcome, +! : drinks Something you did not list the entire Indian "zoo"?

            Mutually drinks I have listed the main smile
            It was difficult for me to understand why people at the same time Rafal, Su-30MKI, Tejas, MiG-29UPG and Mirage-2000 have not yet reached me - they just collect them smile
            1. opkozak
              opkozak April 10 2013 21: 40 New
              +4
              Quote: Odyssey
              It was difficult for me to understand why people at the same time Rafal, Su-30MKI, Tejas, MiG-29UPG and Mirage-2000 have not yet reached me - they just collect them


              firstly, the corruption component has a significant influence.
              secondly, among the Brahmins - the highest caste of the Hindus, a mannequin with wealth. see a man has a gold shirt.


              rafal - an opportunity for a public account to feast on the Champs Elysees.
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 10 2013 09: 25 New
    +7
    It seems that in the third photo, the MiG carries an egg under its belly. Not otherwise in the nest, and from it will appear a small migraine of the MIG-29 UPG version. wink
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2013 10: 32 New
      +6
      The male, however! laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 10 2013 11: 17 New
        +8
        Male?? With an egg? One? Rather, a female with a laid egg. By the way, an occasion to write an article "How MiG-i reproduce." laughing
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2013 12: 06 New
          +5
          Quote: Wedmak
          Male?? With an egg? One?

          This is NOT an egg laughing
          1. VAF
            VAF April 10 2013 13: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            This is NOT an egg


            Andrey, welcome! Everything, in principle, in the article is normal ... for general development it will go. only now .. a little "jarred" phrase-quote-Since 2009, these fighters come into service with Russian aviation units??

            What are these PARTS ???? And what would happen if all the same it was possible to "get in" these SMT'shki Algerians?

            And rightly so ... since 2003 we have been supplying all (even bananas) SM and SMT options, that's just ourselves. For some reason ... "forget" request

            2003 photo: MiG-29 in the SM version, the former A Iyemen Air Force, there is everything (refueling system, N-019ME radar (Zhuk-ME) with VP-channels, MFI-54, X-31A missile hanging)

            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2013 15: 51 New
              +6
              Dear Sergey, what is left to do here? Only, as programmers put it, issue a bug for a feature.
              To be honest and straightforward, to write that the only SMTs in the Russian Air Force are a party of the twenty-ninth, which Algeria abandoned at one time (sometimes we are lucky) and that these aircraft (as I understand it) are almost all that remains with us flying from the glorious Mig-29 family (if you do not take machines that stand in the event of a nuclear war and have a resource exactly one take-off) then ... there will be a different feeling :)
              And so, beautifully
              These fighters from the 2009 of the year come into service with Russian aviation units and have already been successfully mastered by pilots.

              This is a completely different matter. laughing
              By the way, Sergey, you heard somewhere here the news walks that our allegedly wise Duma seems to be considering the issue of resuming production (!) Mig-31 (!!!) I'm in shock :))) Is it really true?
              You will not comment?
              1. VAF
                VAF April 10 2013 17: 13 New
                +3
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                that the only SMTs in the Russian Air Force are a party of the twenty-ninth, which Algeria abandoned at one time (sometimes we are lucky)


                Andrei, are you aware of the true reason for the Algerians refusing these SMT’s? wassat
                so what about .... we are lucky, it seems to be so, and yes, but in fact (though to hell with the fact .. more precisely, more truly "stuffed" anyway) ... well, if all the same "accepted" scheduled calendar up to 40 years as they plan, then nothing else! recourse



                I honestly didn’t hear about the renewal of the Mig-31s, but if the thought “took” to steer what needs to be done, then everything .. the light is out .. arrived! wassat
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt April 10 2013 17: 28 New
                  +1
                  http://kprf.ru/activity/army/117250.html ---вот здесь про Миг и про многое другое.
                2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2013 18: 30 New
                  +4
                  Dear Sergey !
                  Quote: vaf
                  Andrei, are you aware of the true reason for the Algerians refusing these SMT’s?

                  I don’t know :))) I heard so that ours simply equipped these Migi with used spare parts :))) Moreover, it seems that even the conditions of the contract allowed this to be done, but the Algerians suddenly made round eyes and said, “Kaaaaaak ?! ! "
                  Quote: vaf
                  I honestly didn’t hear about the renewal of Mig-31's, but if the thought also “took” to steer what needs to be done, then that's it.

                  I started thinking - Pervaprelskoe, but it seems not, I just found it, took a closer look - tape.ru
                  http://warfiles.ru/show-28507-gosduma-zainteresovalas-vozobnovleniem-proizvodstv
                  a-mig-31.html
                  1. Odysseus
                    Odysseus April 10 2013 22: 09 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    I started thinking - Pervaprelskoe, but it seems not, I just found it, took a closer look - tape.ru
                    http://warfiles.ru/show-28507-gosduma-zainteresovalas-vozobnovleniem-proizvodstv

                    a-mig-31.html

                    belay The resumption of aircraft production after a 20-year hiatus will be a world record in the aircraft industry.
                    In general, the idea looks strange.
                    1) Technically, with a strong desire to resume production at the Falcon using old motors, you probably can. But it just doesn’t work out quickly.
                    2) It is not clear why to do this? It would be much more efficient to invest in improving the production base for the production of S-400 and new radars, thereby speeding up their production. You can use the Su-35 or a modification for the air defense based on the Su-35 as a fighter-interceptor.
    2. queen
      queen April 10 2013 10: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      carries an egg under his belly

      So this is PTB, the only thing I don’t understand is who was the designer of this device laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 10 2013 10: 45 New
        +3
        No, I know this is PTB. But here is his form ... And so it seems a migraine with folded wings.
        1. queen
          queen April 10 2013 11: 02 New
          0
          Well, you can, and so, in aerodynamics it is perfect)))
        2. queen
          queen April 10 2013 11: 03 New
          0
          Well, you can, and so, in aerodynamics it is perfect)))
    3. queen
      queen April 10 2013 10: 47 New
      0
      Photo vaf. Looks like a little pregnant))))
  4. saymonz
    saymonz April 10 2013 09: 59 New
    -20
    Quote: Milafon
    famous

    Unless on paper. In fact, the plane is unsuccessful and unnecessary.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 10 2013 10: 04 New
      +5
      Why all of a sudden? Can you justify your thought?
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone April 10 2013 10: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: saymonz
        Unless on paper. In fact, the plane is unsuccessful and unnecessary

        Yeah, then its 1600 pieces were produced!
        1. queen
          queen April 10 2013 10: 14 New
          +8
          Quote: Milafon
          Yeah, then its 1600 pieces were produced!

          Yes, these ghouls on the site have developed a lot, he only registered yesterday, tomorrow we will not hear him.
        2. Arberes
          Arberes April 10 2013 10: 46 New
          +6
          Quote: Milafon
          Yeah, then its 1600 pieces were produced!

          And moreover, they will still produce!
          Order from the Navy of RUSSIA for the 19th in my units!
          With a needle, with the latest avionics, with a suspension and the possibility of using RCC! Beauties will be in one word!
          I apologize in advance to the flyers, maybe he answered clumsily, I'm not special!
          But something tells me that MIGs will still delight us for a long time! drinks
          1. queen
            queen April 10 2013 11: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Arberes
            that MIGs will please us for a long time!

            Yes, it seems like they are already collecting 29K / KUB. But the carabel is initially inferior to the land one. Can it file a petition regarding the resignation of Pogosyan? And the matter will move)))
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak April 10 2013 11: 15 New
              +2
              But the carabel is initially inferior to the land.

              So always the sea was inferior to the land. The specifics of this.
            2. Arberes
              Arberes April 10 2013 11: 16 New
              +6
              Quote: regin
              But the carabel is initially inferior to the land.

              Does it take less combat load?
              If you are not difficult to explain please?

              Quote: regin
              Pogosyan’s resignation?

              Well, here I can’t tell you anything, although Su-hari turned out to be excellent!
              I mean fighters! hi
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak April 10 2013 11: 21 New
                +2
                Does it take less combat load?

                Less. Less range, speed, limited wing loads (it folds) and much more. Increased load on the aircraft itself during takeoff and landing. In general, although in appearance they are not much different, but inside ...
                1. Arberes
                  Arberes April 10 2013 11: 29 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  but inside ...

                  This is especially pleasing!

                  Thank you for your reply, dear Wedmak hi
                2. VAF
                  VAF April 10 2013 14: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Less.


                  Denis, a lot is very wrong, although I could not understand what kind of vehicles do you compare as land vehicles (UPG or Mig-35 (M2)) with a boat?

                  There are no restrictions on the wing. Besides setting up an additional suspension point for the land variant.

                  Landing loads are removed by installing reinforced landing gear, by the way on all Su-27s (30s). the same changed everything to reinforced.

                  And inside, by the way, the same do not differ very much, especially for Hindus.

                  Here on the "tricked out" yes land M2 (35) is cooler than the boat, but the same .. not much!

                  Here I specially selected the angle so that I could not see the hook and the “folding” wing, determine what kind of car? drinks

                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak April 10 2013 15: 13 New
                    +2
                    The overall appearance was compared. Well, of course, they could have been mistaken.
                    According to the picture - the ship is similar (I can not name the exact modification). There are small shields on the wing influx. The land flaps seem even smaller and these shields are not present (or I have not seen).
                    There are no restrictions on the wing. Besides setting up an additional suspension point for the land variant.

                    Those. still removed the suspension point for wing unloading?
                    1. VAF
                      VAF April 10 2013 15: 41 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      According to the picture - the ship is similar (I can not name the exact modification).


                      No, this is just the land one. The future prototype is the Mig-35 (M2 in fact), the wing, by the way, is pure from M2 and it is different from the boat, except for the folding mechanism. But the “connector” has remained, only “closed”!
                      This is the whole charm of the unification of M / K / 35 airplanes .... even the lantern is the same on all single and double cars.

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Those. nevertheless removed the suspension point for unloading the wing?


                      not removed, and due to the design on the boat, one less for each console drinks

                      This is already the native wing of the future real MiG-35'go ... everything is perfectly visible.

                      1. queen
                        queen April 10 2013 16: 00 New
                        +2
                        Quote: vaf
                        This is the whole charm of the unification of M / K / 35 aircraft

                        Greetings to Sergey ... so it turns out that the wings and planets with the land are the same? (Except for the folding mechanism)
                      2. VAF
                        VAF April 10 2013 16: 33 New
                        +4
                        Quote: regin
                        so it turns out the wings and planets with the same land?


                        Practically yes, only differences in the leading edge.

                        the “history” of creation itself led to this in M ​​in K, K in KUB, KUB in M2, M2 in 35D, which is an absolute plus both for manufacturers and for operators and repairmen!

                        Here, for clarity, compare the CUB and the 35th (demonstrator) .. find 10 differences lol



                        And already at the present MiG-35th (unless of course it will) there are big doubts about this or there will be exactly the same story as with the “creation of the Su-25SM”, which was in the TTT, and what happened in the end ...

                        The first confirmation of this is that AFAR (AM) will not be installed, but M is installed (by the way, both for us and for Indians), well, that’s understandable ... how Misha can allow AFAR to stand on Migu, but on his Su-hih .. no????

                        This will never happen, when the NIMP finally gives birth to Bars-AM (AFAR) and Irbis- (AFAR) then ... maybe, but by this time ... I don’t know what will happen to MiG. .maybe another repair "lamburna"! crying
                      3. queen
                        queen April 10 2013 16: 38 New
                        +2
                        Thank you Sergey, I didn’t browse the Internet, I thought how on the SU-27 and SU-33 ... but there are generally different gliders) drinks
                  2. Wedmak
                    Wedmak April 10 2013 20: 31 New
                    +1
                    However. It turns out that only the equipment and electronics are changing, and we have the same glider ... Damn, well, how to distinguish them then? smile
                  3. queen
                    queen April 10 2013 20: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    Damn, so how to distinguish them then?

                    laughing By priest, by hook)))))))))))
        3. queen
          queen April 10 2013 11: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Arberes
          If you are not difficult to explain please?

          Look at the flaps of the karbklki, they are more developed for landing at a lower speed, and increase lift, and the structure is reinforced (and therefore weight)
        4. queen
          queen April 10 2013 11: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Arberes
          Well, here I can’t tell you anything, although Su-hari turned out to be excellent!

          You can’t argue ... but this is a misunderstanding of the Super 100, I outdid everything that can be done both in financial and in failure. But they will pull it by anyone.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes April 10 2013 12: 24 New
            +5
            Quote: regin
            but this is a misunderstanding Super 100, surpassed all that is possible

            Yes, heard it. Especially VETERAN great walked on it!
            The only sound argument from my mouth is that civil aviation must also be developed! This is an area of ​​high technology — to develop, build for yourself and sell abroad! But in what way and at what price, then let the specialists comment.
            And get a denyuu for it, otherwise all gas and oil.
            "It's a shame to listen !!!"
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman April 10 2013 12: 46 New
              +2
              and develop. MS-21 seems to be scheduled for 15 years. It is not possible to develop new (well-forgotten) directions without errors and failures. The main thing is to approach this issue without unnecessary hysteria. The mace also fell the first time, and now flies out. More practice, more failures (undesirable, but inevitable), more experience and the right conclusions, better results in the future. This chain is unchanged and equally valid for all technological projects and not only technological ones.
        5. Odysseus
          Odysseus April 10 2013 15: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: Arberes
          Well, here I can’t tell you anything, although Su-hari turned out to be excellent!

          He’s only good at public relations, and he’ve cut money, of course.
          Su-27-brainchild of Simonov.
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco April 10 2013 10: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Wedmak
    Can you justify your thought?

    Probably there is nothing to justify. Sawdust. laughing
  • queen
    queen April 10 2013 10: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: saymonz
    In fact, the plane is unsuccessful and unnecessary

    Yes, you are a troll comrade, there are no options. Or you have the best front-line fighter stuffed in one place.
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman April 10 2013 12: 41 New
    +2
    I already foresee 100500 minuses, because have written the greatest nonsense. At least turn on the brain before writing like that ... or another troll ?????? repeat
  • queen
    queen April 10 2013 10: 21 New
    +3
    Something not to be seen when deliveries to our Air Force MiG-29/35 resume (special thanks to Poghosyan). And no news is heard on the SU-34. Something sad at heart requestHow many of them we have in storage, and the raid on them I do not think is big, we also need to urgently upgrade them all.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 10 2013 10: 43 New
      +2
      It seems that both are on the assembly. 34s in the amount of 10-11 promised, I don’t remember 35s, it seems like a dozen too.
      1. queen
        queen April 10 2013 10: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        It seems that both are on the assembly

        The quarter is over and there are no reports) wassat You understand that although all this is small, it becomes more pleasant and warm, spring has come))))
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt April 10 2013 11: 45 New
          +2
          At the end of last year, a new article every week: “they handed over 5 units”, “3 planes arrived at the Air Force”, in a word, they often counted chickens. But here it is April .... It’s time, I think it’s time to make us all happy with some kind of planned surprise surprise !
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak April 10 2013 12: 48 New
            +1
            some planned surprise!

            An interesting phrase is a planned surprise. laughing Let the A-40 or A-42 be launched for revision and production, otherwise the naval aviation is still lame. There will soon be nothing to patrol.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt April 10 2013 13: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              completion and production of A-40 or A-42
              I think a lot of mani-mani will be required to fine-tune and produce this essentially “layout”. No capacity is enough .. The IL-38 seems to be modernized.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak April 10 2013 13: 28 New
                0
                I think a lot of mani-mani will be required to fine-tune and produce this essentially "layout"

                You turned down about the layout. There was a flight version of the A-40. Well, let it be 2-3 years for fine-tuning and testing. Most of the airframe technologies were tested on the Be-200, it remains to create an armament complex. And il-s, how many do not upgrade them, do not become new. And the Be-12 is still alive, no?
                There are no capacities ... while they will finalize, build a plant.
                Fighters are arriving, bombers are arriving, training are arriving, transport workers are about to start, they are testing a new fighter, they have begun to develop a new long-range fighter, it would be time to tackle the sea.
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt April 10 2013 13: 58 New
                  +1
                  The capabilities of our aircraft industry are not unlimited and raising the a-40 into the sky, I think, will be more expensive than, for example, creating an anti-submarine Tu-204.This is how I switch to IL-38). They do not become newer, right, but this is reality. About her I find out, including on this forum and there are no other alternatives (.
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  it’s time to take up the sea
                  but here I agree, marine amphibian has its own niche.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak April 10 2013 14: 29 New
                    +1
                    to raise the a-40 into the sky, I think, will be more expensive than, for example, to create an anti-submarine Tu-204

                    The 204th was created as a civilian. And if you can somehow remake the military into civilian, then on the contrary ... not a fact.
                    A-40 and was planned to replace the Be-12. It is also multi-purpose. It is a pity that the USSR did not fall apart on time.
                    1. Thunderbolt
                      Thunderbolt April 10 2013 14: 59 New
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      It is a pity that the USSR did not fall apart on time.
                      No, not sorry. The USSR collapsed. So, I think. Such an “A-40” we have scattered a wagon and a small cart across the design bureau. Designers boldly looked to the future and work was in full swing in all directions. And now, yes, there’s a lot of imbalance in terms of armament and personnel, but there’s only one advice: straighten yourself. There are no other options. hi
            2. VAF
              VAF April 10 2013 16: 17 New
              +2
              Quote: Wedmak
              Let the A-40 or A-42 be launched for revision and production, otherwise the naval aviation is still lame.


              Denis, I don’t want to upset you, but ... the amphibious aviation (just the sea) with us ... is over, everything will not be there anymore.

              And then, that on the same essentially flying A-40 mockup, they periodically "painted" - A-42 and produced OCD ... things didn’t go further.

              at the moment there is nothing more, no equipment, no equipment for production.

              And to "produce" another "lake-river" plane, like the Be-200? What for? 200 does a great job, and it’s much cheaper.

              And seaworthiness at Albatross. Unfortunately .. very .. weak.

              So there will be another monument of design thought!

              Now it’s already standing .... almost like a monument (last summer photo) crying

          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 10 2013 12: 52 New
            0
            that's right. at the end of the year ... when they already managed to assemble, check all the nodes, conduct tests. So I think it's too early to worry about this!
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 10 2013 12: 51 New
      +2
      Well, why so ... like the 2nd squadron was almost retrofitted. It seems that in January a couple arrived at Baltimore. Now while we are still gathering a batch, time is needed. they will not deliver by the piece ... We are waiting and hope. in theory, they should bring up to 120-odd pieces. 24-cam replacement. drinks
  • queen
    queen April 10 2013 10: 51 New
    +3
    Photo vaf. Looks like a little pregnant with PTB))))
    and always drink a little (to fill up)
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 10 2013 12: 07 New
      +1
      He flew to India)
      1. queen
        queen April 10 2013 12: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        He flew to India)

        It’s hard to part with such handsome men ... but this is Mlyn’s business, his mother is there.
  • queen
    queen April 10 2013 11: 49 New
    0
    Photo insert a complete disaster, for Arberes.
  • queen
    queen April 10 2013 11: 51 New
    +2
    Photo insert a complete disaster, for Arberes.
    1. VAF
      VAF April 10 2013 17: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: regin
      Photo insert a complete disaster, for Arberes.


      Volodya, didn’t want a picture with PTB and weapons? +! wink

      Just to get it out of "clumsiness" it is necessary to it (on the photo) .. "zhomknut"! drinks

      1. queen
        queen April 10 2013 17: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: regin
        did not want a picture with the PTB and weapons?

        Sergey, so I shoved this picture from the beginning, it didn’t work out))) thank you.
  • queen
    queen April 10 2013 12: 22 New
    +3
    Friske gave birth in the states, so much for patriotism.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 10 2013 12: 42 New
      +6
      Do you want to see patriotism in the stars of show business ?? Where is everything and everything sold and bought? Yes, most of them for a green piece of paper will fly anywhere and will entertain anyone - if only they would pay more!
      1. Belo_biletnik
        Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 16: 35 New
        +3
        In our mountains. hospital when the girls to save the pregnancy fall save one in 10 (he collided). In the ass, patriotism, if I knew in advance about our konovalov, I wouldn’t take it to the states, to the ends of the world ... It is a pity that there is no dough in the family budget (
        1. Belo_biletnik
          Belo_biletnik April 10 2013 17: 33 New
          +2
          Probably minus those who have never been treated in our hospitals. And he knows about the state of medicine only from the peppy news of the first channel and the Rossiya channel.
          1. queen
            queen April 10 2013 20: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Belo_biletnik
            Probably minus those who have never been treated in our hospitals

            Yes, no, dear, my wife himself was on the safe side, I lay 8 or 9 times, Just few people want to "NORMAL" with doctors.
          2. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe April 10 2013 23: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: Belo_biletnik
            In our mountains. hospital when the girls to save the pregnancy fall save one in 10 (he collided).

            Girls, beer, gintonikov, cocoa, chips and cigarettes need to be consumed less, and you need to watch young men marry someone, and then only one out of a hundred who become pregnant from you will need to be put into storage, and not every first one.
  • sanyabasik
    sanyabasik April 10 2013 12: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Arberes
    although Su-hari, he turned out excellent!


    Him??? Do not attribute the glory of Sushki to Poghosyan and his son ..
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus April 10 2013 15: 22 New
    +3
    What can I say about this upgrade? If they also carry out a series of works to reduce the EPR (and there are some developments on the Mig-29M), it will turn out well. Only the radar is embarrassing, and it’s a very good plane. The Indians are lucky in that they could afford luxury to put a board from components of many countries - Israeli-French electronic warfare, etc.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city April 10 2013 22: 38 New
    0
    The contract for the rafals was sold by the former Indian Air Force commander. They say there was a fan of American and European kickbacks especially.