Potential of the USSR Air Defense Against Ukrainian Kamikaze UAVs

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Potential of the USSR Air Defense Against Ukrainian Kamikaze UAVs

We recently talked about the fact that The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have significantly increased the number of kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) used to carry out strikes deep into the territory of our country.

In this regard, the author has repeatedly heard the opinion that, supposedly, the unified air defense system has been destroyed (Defense) countries – during the Soviet era this simply could not have happened.



Of course, it is not entirely correct to compare the limited technical capabilities of the Soviet Union at that time and modern offensive weapons, on the other hand, because kamikaze UAVs are not hypersonic missiles, not sixth-generation fighters equipped with onboard self-defense systems, and they can be shot down weapons the end of the 19th - beginning of the 20th century, which is fully confirmed the use by both sides of Maxim machine guns of the 1883 model to destroy the kamikaze UAVs.

So, technically, the USSR air defense could well fight against kamikaze UAVs, which means we can theoretically consider such a possibility. Let's choose 1975 as a conditional point - at that time, the Soviet Union already had colossal scientific and industrial potential, and the degradation processes that subsequently led to its collapse were then still in a relatively early stage.

To begin with, let us consider what potential the USSR air defense forces had at that time in terms of combating air targets at high and low altitudes.

High heights


It is unlikely that anyone in their right mind would deny that the Soviet Union had a truly powerful air defense system, unmatched by any other country in the world.

The creation of the USSR air defense was largely a consequence of the emergence of nuclear weapons in the United States, for the delivery of which, at the initial stage, thousands of bombers were to be used. In turn, the development of bombers at the beginning of the second half of the 20th century followed the path of increasing the altitude and speed of their flight.

Accordingly, it was precisely for the destruction of high-altitude targets that air defense systems such as the S-25 Berkut and S-75 Desna were created, which are extremely effective, as the US was able to verify from its own experience.


Launch of the S-75 Desna anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM)

The destruction of a U-2 reconnaissance aircraft flying at an altitude of over 20 kilometers over the Sverdlovsk region, as well as significant losses of bombers, including the newest B-52s, in the skies over Vietnam showed that air defense systems had largely seized dominance at high altitudes, which is why both the US and the USSR curtailed their projects for supersonic high-altitude bombers.

Despite the shift to intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) as the means of delivering nuclear warheads, the need for a highly effective air defense system has not diminished as the United States has Aviation the basis of its conventional military power. At the same time, the main method of overcoming the USSR's air defense began to be considered a breakthrough at low altitudes and high flight speeds.

The above-mentioned S-25 and S-75 systems could not operate against low-flying targets, since their minimum engagement altitude was about three kilometers; the S-1967 Angara long-range air defense system, which appeared in 200, could also only operate against targets flying at an altitude of over 300 meters, and the effectiveness and range of the anti-aircraft artillery against high-speed, low-flying targets, they are quite limited.

The same applies to the air defense missile system – the 2K11 Krug air defense missile system had a minimum target engagement altitude of 3000 meters, although in subsequent modifications it was reduced to 250 meters, and then to 150 meters.


The Krug air defense missile system, with its monstrous missiles, looks more like a “doomsday machine” capable of razing cities to dust than an air defense system.

Low altitudes


To counter low-flying air attack weapons (LAAW), the S-125 Neva air defense missile system was developed in the USSR, capable of operating at targets at altitudes of 200 meters, and in a modified version, at altitudes of 20 meters.

By the way, it was with the S-125 Neva SAM system that the Americans fought in the so-called “Iran” in the film “Top Gun: Maverick”; it is clear that this system is very “cinematic”, not like modern SAM systems with their cylindrical transport and launch containers (TLC) of SAMs.


SAM in the film "Top Gun: Maverick" (left) and S-125 "Neva" SAM (right)

The USSR Air Defense Forces had slightly more means to destroy low-flying airborne weapons. This capability was available in the Kub SAM system, whose minimum altitude for destroying air targets was 100 meters for early versions and up to 20 meters for the modified Kub-M3 version, as well as combat vehicles designed to intercept low-flying targets, such as the Shilka self-propelled anti-aircraft gun (ZSU) and the Strela-10 SAM system.


Launcher 2P25 SAM "Kub"

And, of course, the troops also had a significant number of portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS), ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft mounts, as well as other small arms and cannon weapons capable of operating against low-flying air defense systems.

The above-mentioned SAMs and ZSUs, designed to hit targets at high and low altitudes, were produced in quantities amounting to many hundreds and even thousands of units. The author does not know the volumes of ammunition produced for them, but given that during the special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine we are actively using stockpiles created back in the USSR, it can be assumed that in terms of ammunition for the SAMs and ZSUs, the stockpiles were also created accordingly.

In addition to the radar stations (RLS) included in the SAM system, the airspace over the USSR was controlled by a huge number of radars of different types and ranges of wavelengths used, ranging from millimeter to meter.

The USSR Air Defense Forces also had their own aviation - in 1973, it included thousands of fighters and interceptors of all classes - Su-9, Su-15, Tu-128, MiG-23 and MiG-25, as well as Tu-126 airborne early warning and control (AWACS) aircraft. The USSR Air Force also had over four thousand combat aircraft.


Su-15 Interceptor Fighter

It would seem that the USSR air defense had all the capabilities to effectively repel attacks similar to those carried out by Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs?

In reality, everything is much more complicated, because, as always, “the devil is in the details.”

Radar and low visibility


When the US began the program to create aircraft using low-visibility technology "Stealth", they took into account the characteristics of existing and prospective Soviet radars. As has been said many times, the "Stealth" technology does not make the aircraft invisible to radars, much less invulnerable, it only allows for a reduction in the detection range of the aircraft using radar, allowing it to fire first, get within the range of the radar, or slip between the enemy's radars to strike somewhere deep in its territory.

So, kamikaze UAVs also have very low visibility, which significantly complicates their detection and tracking. When flying at low altitude, this is compounded by the curvature of the earth's surface and the presence of shadow zones from natural and artificial obstacles.

Yes, the USSR air defense systems controlled all or a significant part of our country's territory, but only at high altitudes. At low altitudes, there were and still are a huge number of gaps that can only be closed by placing powerful, modern, highly effective radars on airborne carriers, such as airships.

At that time in the USSR, the Tu-126 AWACS aircraft could detect targets from the air, but there were only six of them, and their ability to detect low-visibility targets against the background of the earth's surface can be questioned.


AWACS aircraft Tu-126

Missiles


Anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) are another problem. The fact is that most SAMs at that time were very large, with powerful warheads that had to compensate for errors in targeting. No matter how many of these SAMs were produced in the USSR, they still had to be enough to combat thousands - several tens of thousands of NATO aircraft, but not hundreds of thousands of kamikaze UAVs. In fact, the same problem exists today.

Using such SAMs over cities and populated areas is extremely risky, because a kamikaze UAV with its warhead weighing about 50 kilograms can damage one apartment or a small house, and a SAM of that time with its powerful warhead, equipped with several hundred kilograms of explosives, can destroy the entrance of a multi-story building, again, the same applies to modern long-range SAMs such as the S-300/S-400.

The SAMs used by the Strela-10 SAM system are most likely comparable in cost to the kamikaze UAVs, but this system has a very limited range, and the photocontrast homing heads (GSN) of the SAMs of the Strela-10 SAM system are only capable of capturing targets against the background of the sky, and the infrared homing heads (IR) of that time would hardly have been able to capture the weakly heating, low-power internal combustion engine of the kamikaze UAV.


LAW "Strela-10"

So it is unlikely that the Strela-10 SAM system would be effective against small, low-flying kamikaze UAVs, and the number of missiles on the launcher of this system is only four units.

The next question is the channel capacity of the SAM system, since almost all SAMs of that time required the SAM system to track the target until it was destroyed, and only one target could be attacked at a time, that is, the SAM systems of that time were single-channel. This means that during a massive raid, the SAM system simply would not have time to shoot down the attacking kamikaze UAVs even if they had ammunition.

Fighter-interceptors


As for fighter-interceptors, the problems are similar here: the radars of aircraft of that time had poor visibility of air targets against the background of the earth's surface, especially such low-visibility ones as kamikaze UAVs.

As for armament, the aircraft of that time carried significantly fewer air-to-air missiles compared to modern aircraft, especially generation 4++. The characteristics of the air-to-air missiles themselves were also inferior to modern models - missiles with radar seekers required target illumination until the moment of its destruction, and the characteristics of the IR seeker would hardly have ensured the capture of relatively cold kamikaze UAVs with piston engines.


The MiG-23 fighter could carry only 6 air-to-air missiles

Interception using rapid-fire aircraft cannons?

The problems would be the same as now - aircraft losses from being hit by the wreckage of a downed UAV, here the difference in speed works in favor of the one who is slower.

It turns out that the USSR's air defense would not have been able to cope with massive attacks by kamikaze UAVs?

Yes, but only if we consider the air defense system as a “player”, the advantages of that time were not only in the number of radars, air defense systems and combat aircraft, but also in the state’s ability to mobilize and maintain order, and this turns everything upside down.

Untold potential


As we have already said above, kamikaze UAVs are not hypersonic missiles, they can be shot down by almost all types of small arms, starting with 7,62x54R machine guns. They fly quite low - from 50 to 4000 meters, and make a lot of noise in flight.


Quadruple anti-aircraft machine gun mount M4 model 1931 (based on Maxim machine guns) - 12 thousand units were produced

Can't detect radar? No thermal imagers?

There is no doubt that acoustic posts would have been set up throughout the country, cities, large industrial facilities and fuel and energy complex facilities, not to mention military facilities, which would have been covered in the shortest possible time by mobile and stationary posts with powerful arc searchlights and machine guns.

Of the above-mentioned air defense systems, one can recall the ZSU Shilka - it is difficult to say how its radar would have performed when working against kamikaze UAVs, but surely it would not have been so difficult to retrofit these machines with the same arc searchlights? Although, most likely, at a distance of one or two kilometers, the ZSU Shilka radar would have been able to see a kamikaze UAV, given that it had to detect the MiG-17 fighter at 12 kilometers - and about 6,5 thousand ZSU Shilkas were produced in the USSR.


ZSU "Shilka"

One can only guess how many machine guns and ammunition for them the defense industry of that time could produce, and given the size of the Soviet Union's army and its enormous mobilization potential, it was possible to strengthen the country's air defense against a new type of threat many times over in the shortest possible time.

A significant amount of barrel artillery from the Great Patriotic War (WWII) and subsequent years remained in storage. In combination with ammunition with a radar fuse Large-caliber anti-aircraft guns could be quite effective against kamikaze UAVs flying at high altitudes.

No ability to hit SAM targets? Anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) can be used. For example, the Fagot anti-tank missile systems (ATGMs) were already being mass-produced at that time – how much time would it take to equip them with high-explosive fragmentation warheads and radar fuses? According to the cost-effectiveness criterion, this would be a very effective solution against kamikaze UAVs.


ATGM "Fagot"

The Soviet Union could produce inexpensive piston-engine aircraft in huge quantities, take at least the same An-2, of which, according to various estimates, 10-12 thousand machines were produced. These aircraft could well have been modified, armed with machine guns and cannons and used to intercept low-speed kamikaze UAVs.


"Kukuruznik" An-2

Passive protection


In the USSR, a significant number of shelters for combat aircraft were built; it is difficult to imagine that at that time the enemy would attack aircraft at air bases for years, and they would still be parked in the open air. The same nets and gratings would most likely have been used to cover entire factories.

We shouldn’t forget about the balloons, which were produced during the Great Patriotic War even in besieged Leningrad, but now, for some reason, this ancient technology has apparently been lost, and yet Balloons with nets can cover entire areas from the ground up to a height of several hundred meters.


Examples of the use of barrage balloons and the scale of their use during World War II (WWII)

The country could have set up production of mock-ups and false targets on a cyclopean scale – and not primitive inflatable “products”, but high-quality ones, practically indistinguishable from real equipment, ensure their movement, simulated work with them, the necessary smoke and other measures.

It is also necessary to take into account the advanced security measures, significantly fewer multi-story buildings and, at the same time, a much larger number of green spaces, including trees - a two- or three-story building surrounded by tall trees is much more difficult for a kamikaze UAV to hit.

Conclusions


This is what the “alternative” turns out to be story" Of course, this comparison is speculative, but it shows that the technological lag can be compensated for by competent organizational and technical measures and optimal use of available resources. In our time, Iran and North Korea are showing an example of such an approach.

Yes, the air defense systems of that time would hardly have been able to effectively combat such specific targets as kamikaze UAVs - at high altitudes, massive strikes by kamikaze UAVs would have depleted the SAM reserves, and at low altitudes, gaps in the radar field would have allowed kamikaze UAVs to bypass SAM positions.

But if there is will and determination, it would be possible to ensure the destruction of a significant portion of the enemy's kamikaze UAVs with a much more primitive weapon than the SAM, a weapon from the early to mid-20th century. At the same time, the impact of the surviving enemy kamikaze UAVs could be neutralized with the help of camouflage and passive protection of potential attack targets.

Looking at the attacks of the Ukrainians drones-kamikaze now, in our time, everyone can evaluate for themselves which measures taken are sufficient and which are not. Only one thing can be said with certainty: traditional air defense systems, no matter how modern they are, are not capable of completely solving the problem of long-range kamikaze drones.
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  1. + 12
    14 June 2025 04: 39
    No traditional or non-traditional air defense system can solve the problem of protecting objects. Air combat is always sudden and fleeting. Therefore, a unified information, fire and electronic system is built in advance from air defense systems. It is the systemic approach that allows achieving a synergetic effect of protection from air attack systems. But this is just a beautiful theory. Practice shows that any weapon in the hands of an aborigine can turn out to be a pile of scrap metal.
    The indicative, albeit closed trial of two air defense officers accused under Article 340, Part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violation of the rules for carrying out combat duty to detect and repel a sudden attack on the Russian Federation, which entailed grave consequences), as a result of which on April 27, 2022, the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a missile strike on weapons depots, slightly invigorated the lower echelons of air defense command. Apparently, some irresponsible officers began to rely too much on the air defense automated control system, which was supposed to not only carry out combat duty for them, but also make decisions to open fire. But still, none of the control levels is capable of effectively solving defense problems if the system itself is vulnerable to enemy reconnaissance, sabotage and has serious vulnerabilities at extremely low altitudes and speeds at which modern UAVs fly. And if in Moscow and a couple of other regions it is possible to somehow get out of it by stupidly creating an excessive density of air defense systems, then such an approach in the rest of Russia will simply ruin the country.
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      +1
      8 September 2025 18: 54
      it's not just about who was on duty or not, it's about the profanation of technical combat readiness, when out of two divisions one is on duty, and the other is constantly in repair, because the equipment has long since died and is not replaced with new ones
  2. +6
    14 June 2025 04: 42
    How the USSR could repel a massive attack by US cruise missiles, and much more, is perfectly described in the book by M. Kalashnikov "The Broken Sword of the Empire". https://loveread.ec/read_book.php?id=32146&p=1
    1. +3
      14 June 2025 18: 27
      Oh my god, you brought back my 90s.
    2. -1
      16 June 2025 11: 30
      Yeah-yeah... and how the real USSR air defense system worked in practice can be seen from the actions in Syria in 1982. By the way, UAVs were also used there.
      1. +1
        16 June 2025 12: 39
        The USSR air defense system worked in practice, which can be seen from the actions in Syria in 1982.

        Was Syria part of the USSR in 1982? And I don't even want to talk about the level of betrayal among the Syrian officers of that time, who were educated in Great Britain.
        1. -2
          16 June 2025 13: 05
          Quote: Amateur
          Was Syria part of the USSR in 1982?

          Syria's air defense was built by Soviet advisers from Soviet air defense systems according to Soviet standards.
  3. + 11
    14 June 2025 05: 09
    Everything that the author described for protection against enemy UAVs works well in a complex, in the overall air defense system.
    But knowing our Russian sloppiness, all this is still just a dream...there is no one to implement these projects...we need passionate people, we need creative, assertive people capable of organizing and implementing assertive air defense ideas into reality.
    And this is a big problem now.
    The indifference and political lack of will of responsible people, no worse than the enemy, causes great damage to our country. request
    1. + 11
      14 June 2025 06: 12
      Yes, you are right, "grandfather Vasilyich and his accomplices" are the least like "passionaries". And they have other "interests" and concerns, why do they need some kind of air defense? The author wrote correctly - "kharant" and the company act on the principle: the drowning man's salvation is the drowning man's own doing. Even before the SVO, one of the heads of state said that in Russia the government is separate, the people are separate.
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        0
        8 September 2025 18: 57
        Congratulations on inventing class theory. I also advise you to invent the labor theory of value and the historical method with materialism
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      0
      8 September 2025 18: 56
      a system that does not work without passionaries must, is obliged to die due to its lack of viability
  4. +5
    14 June 2025 06: 03
    It is necessary to withdraw air defense and missile defense from the Russian Aerospace Forces. Leave only strategic weapons and space forces in the Aerospace Forces. At the moment, air defense and missile defense are the main forces for protecting the country. And put young military personnel who are not infected with corruption and greed at the helm, not money but the defense of the homeland should be on their minds. The main task of the FSB now should be to identify enemy operators inside the country. Another task is the brutal destruction of UAV production sites and targeting on enemy territory. Otherwise, we will get what Israel did to Iran, or a larger-scale attack on our strategic forces. soldier
    1. +5
      14 June 2025 07: 52
      The main task of the FSB now should be to identify enemy operators within the country.


      The main task of domestic intelligence services should be to identify the leadership and perpetrators of terrorist attacks against the Russian Federation throughout the world and their merciless destruction.

      Sitting on our own territory, we will never defeat terrorism.
      1. +3
        14 June 2025 13: 14
        That's how it was in the USSR. The KGB had counterintelligence inside the country and foreign intelligence. Plus the GRU of the General Staff and also counterintelligence inside the country. And now? We have all the partners. Germany is against us with Tauruses, and we give them gas, oil, fertilizers with all our might. Ukraine is our brothers. If we play too much, they will come and deal with us like Hussein and Gaddafi. How many hostile migrants and Ukrainians can rebel against us? Millions!
    2. +3
      14 June 2025 16: 24
      And put young military personnel at the helm who are not infected with corruption and greed; not money, but the defense of the homeland should be on their minds.
      I think if you do it this way, you won't need to take anything out of VKS. Everything will start working on its own.
      1. +2
        23 June 2025 06: 30
        ...Everything will start working by itself...
        It will certainly never start working on its own.
        In the army, as in the whole country, the system of training and placement of personnel is broken. Experience in service, work with equipment and management is accumulated over the years. It is impossible, even "with a burning heart" to come from the school and become a class specialist without service experience.
        1. 0
          23 June 2025 12: 06
          Why do we need military schools at all if they don't give us service experience? So that useless colonels have something to do?
        2. +1
          21 July 2025 11: 52
          [quoteIn the army, as in the whole country, the system of training and placement of personnel is broken. Experience in service, work with equipment and management is accumulated over the years.][/quote]
          Absolutely right!
          In short, the current "system" is called "negative selection of personnel".
          This is when only personal loyalty is put at the forefront...
          Experience, knowledge, competence, professionalism - they don't matter at all.
  5. +1
    14 June 2025 06: 30
    It's nice when the site publishes articles by authors who understand what they're writing about. But this is clearly not the case. negative
    1. +1
      16 June 2025 11: 32
      Quote: Bongo
      It's nice when the site publishes articles by authors who understand what they're writing about. But this is clearly not the case. negative

      Judging by the fact that there is not a single mention of Operation Medvedka-19 in the article, yes. sad
  6. +2
    14 June 2025 07: 17
    A little about the details.
    By the way, for the Orthodox, the original expression of Ludwig Mies Van de Rohe is still closer: God is in the details!
    Now about the potential of the USSR, it is somehow not even funny to compare it to the current one. Especially since almost all the current "high-tech" weapons come from the USSR. If you do not count the modern prefix "M".
    Regarding the ammunition, the phrase was mentioned several times: was it sufficient or not? It’s even strange to ask such a question.
    Compare the saturation of the USSR Air Defense Forces with Shilkas in 1975 and their analogues, also from the USSR, in the USSR now?
    And yes, ZU-23 was in abundance, even in our Internal Troops, in the motorized rifle regiment, there were 4 ZUs in the warehouse.
    And finally, it’s somehow strange to write about technology, but with their “galoshes” the USSR or the RSFSR separately were a high-tech country, unlike the current situation.
    For example, we can compare the production capacities required to produce high-tech products: the presence of robots in the USSR and now, the production of machine tools (group A) then and now, optics then and now, basic electronics then and now, aircraft then and now, even schools for training officers for the Air Defense Forces and the country... and so on ad infinitum...
    1. -3
      15 June 2025 12: 56
      Quote: Edward Vashchenko
      A little about the details.
      By the way, for the Orthodox, the original expression of Ludwig Mies Van de Rohe is still closer: God is in the details!

      It's really all about the details. The Soviet air defense had no effective means to combat low-speed, low-altitude targets the size of even Matthias Rust's Cessna 172, let alone modern ones, which are several times smaller.

      Unless, as the author of the article suggests, the USSR would have had to extract 7,62 mm and 12,7 mm machine guns (hundreds of thousands), starting with the Maxim machine gun, from warehouses and install them on anti-aircraft mounts. But at night, all these machine guns would have been practically ineffective against modern drones with high-tech autopilots. There were no night thermal imaging rifle sights.
      Moreover, almost all the current “high-tech” weapons come from the USSR. Not counting the modern “M” prefix.

      Firstly, in the West, almost all current high-tech air defense weapons come from the Cold War era, "except for the modern "M" prefix". Secondly, if you look at the Pantsir air defense missile system, which today largely ensures the protection of Russian territory from Ukrainian kamikaze drone attacks, then in 1990 only the design specifications for the R&D work were issued. Both the main part of the development and the deployment of large-scale production were carried out in the post-Soviet era.
      Compare the saturation of the USSR Air Defense Forces with Shilkas in 1975 and their analogues, also from the USSR, in the USSR now?
      And yes, ZU-23 was in abundance, even in our Internal Troops, in the motorized rifle regiment, there were 4 ZUs in the warehouse.

      From 1964 to 1982, about 6,5 thousand ZSU-23-4 were produced.

      From 1957 to 1977, about 11,5 thousand ZU-23 were produced, and from 1977 to 1993, about 18 thousand units.

      For comparison, in the USA from 1941 to 1945, 124,7 thousand 20 mm Oerlikon anti-aircraft guns were produced.

      Both the ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23 are extremely ineffective today against modern aircraft-type kamikaze drones, as are other Soviet anti-aircraft weapons.
      And finally, it’s somehow strange to write about technology, but with their “galoshes” the USSR or the RSFSR separately were a high-tech country, unlike the current situation.

      In 1983, the United States put the world's first hypersonic (meaning controlled flight with maneuvering of the means of destruction at hypersonic speed in the atmosphere) missile system "Pershing-2" into service. The USSR did not have hypersonic missiles at that time. Today, hypersonic missile systems have been adopted by the Russian Armed Forces, the Chinese Armed Forces, even the Iranian Armed Forces, and if my memory serves me right, the DPRK Armed Forces (at least they were tested). The United States does not have any hypersonic missiles in service today.

      High tech situations can be strange, can't they?
      For example, we can compare the production capacities required for the production of high-tech products: the presence of robots in the USSR and now, the production of machine tools (group A) then and now, optics then and now, basic electronics then and now

      At one time, the USSR was unable to establish mass production of thermal imaging receivers. The tank sights of Soviet tanks, even the sighting systems of Soviet Mi-24 combat helicopters did not have thermal imaging channels. Today, Russia mass-produces its own cooled and uncooled (microbolometric) matrix thermal imaging receivers, and NATO's nighttime advantage in sighting equipment over domestic forces no longer exists.
      1. +1
        15 June 2025 14: 01
        Everything is cool. Only this one, which did not produce thermal imagers, which produced less ZU-23 than 20 mm anti-aircraft guns "Oerlikon" of the USA during the Second World War (and why so many USSR?) and allowed the flight of Matius Rust, was located on the Elbe, and not far from the Dnieper. And the saboteurs did not launch anything at the strategists, as well as at the civilian population. How is this possible? And without thermal imagers?
        P.S. and yes, there were no iPhones in the USSR
        1. -2
          15 June 2025 15: 59
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          Everything is cool. Only this one, which did not produce thermal imagers, which produced less ZU-23 than 20 mm Oerlikon anti-aircraft guns of the USA during the Second World War (and why did the USSR need so many?) and allowed Matius Rust to fly over, was located on the Elbe, and not far from the Dnieper.

          It stood for 45 years. And then the USSR leadership gave it all up, without any threats, sanctions or ultimatums from the West.

          http://old.redstar.ru/2005/04/27_04/1_02.html

          "The withdrawal of our troops from Eastern Europe is a betrayal on the part of Gorbachev and Shevardnadze! I, the Minister of Defense, was not invited to the negotiations in Arkhyz, where they met with Kohl and Genscher."

          Do you regret the collapse of the USSR? You have a heart. Do you want the USSR to be restored to its former form? You have no head.
          and yes, there were no iPhones in the USSR

          In the USSR there were mobile phones by L.I. Kupriyanovich. But they did not go into production. Just as the Soviet "Internet" - the General State Automated System of Accounting and Processing of Information (OGAS) by Academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences V.M. Glushkov - did not see the light of day.

          In the USSR there was a mobile telephone system "Altai" (from "Altai-1" to "Altai-3M"). Only for important management. Not for ordinary Soviet citizens.

          "In the mid-1960s, the USSR was ready to make a scientific and technological breakthrough into the future, turning from systemic anti-capitalism into real post-capitalism, but this was not in the interests of either the Soviet nomenklatura or the top of the world capitalist class. The breakthrough was firmly blocked, and the rise in oil prices and detente ("relaxation of international tension") brought a sense of calm and deep satisfaction to the Soviet elite. We often remember the Brezhnev era with affection - stability, confidence in the future. And in the short term, this was true, but in the medium term, not to mention the long term, the Brezhnev era was a squandering of the future, a time of missed historical opportunities. "Baggy old men ... afraid of their own wives" (E. Neizvestny) squandered the future of the system - it was dying in them and through them. And this despite the fact that in the multi-layered USSR there was a super-powerful scientific and technical complex, which was supposed to to rush into the future no later than the beginning of the 1990s. However, if the impulse of the 1960s was cut off by detente and oil, then the second one was cut off by perestroika and the destruction of the USSR, which was based on the banal desire of a part of the Soviet nomenklatura to "enroll in the bourgeoisie" historian A.I. Fursov

          Do you still want to go back to the Brezhnev and Gorbachev USSR?

          P.S. You really can't understand why the USSR Armed Forces would need a huge number of MZA guns during the Great Patriotic War? Think about why the German Armed Forces needed almost 50 thousand 2 cm FlaK 30 and FlaK 38.
          And the saboteurs did not launch anything at the strategists, nor at the civilian population.

          The losses of the Red Army Air Forces on June 22, 1941 are estimated at 1,2 thousand combat aircraft, of which more than 800 were on the ground. The number of Soviet civilians killed on June 22, 1941 is uncountable, but I think no less than several tens of thousands of people.

          Why? Because the USSR "did not give in to provocations", did not dare to strike first at the Nazis, "the bearers of European culture", so to speak.

          It was this “groveling”, the self-perception of one’s own secondary status in front of the West and the “orientation towards Western values” that ultimately destroyed the USSR.

          But now this is not the case.

          Still want to go back to the USSR? To the era of Western mass culture fanaticism and lust for Montana jeans? Many farmers from the former Ukrainian SSR still have this fanaticism and lust. They die for it.

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        8 September 2025 19: 09
        searchlights and small, training, sports aviation - is this a joke for you? And you've gone too far with high-tech. An altimeter and GPS, that's all the technology
        1. 0
          8 September 2025 19: 38
          Quote: Pandemic
          Searchlights and small, training, sports aviation - is this a joke for you?

          You described the technologies that the Kyiv regime's formations use today to combat UAVs. I don't know why you decided that someone was joking, but the Soviet Yak-52 and a gunner with a light machine gun in the second cabin are really an effective means of combating some UAVs. Not those that carry a good explosive charge, of course.
    2. +1
      16 June 2025 09: 04
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      As an example, we can compare the production capacities required to produce high-tech products:

      But the Rvst quietly rumbled onto Red Square - having shit on the heads of the marshals who were incapable of even a school excuse (since they were so afraid of the ICAO!) "Disappeared from radar screens. Possibly fell and drowned in the swamps. We are looking for it!!!!"
      Nooo, the marshals and degenerals did everything to make the whole world see that the SA leadership was incapable of managing the army. After which the USSR itself collapsed.
      1. -1
        16 June 2025 10: 43
        marshaloids and degenerals

        It’s a pity that you are not a general or a marshal, otherwise we would be seeing a new Jomini or Moltke.
        wassat
        1. +1
          16 June 2025 10: 58
          Quote: Edward Vashchenko
          marshaloids and degenerals

          It’s a pity that you are not a general or a marshal, otherwise we would be seeing a new Jomini or Moltke.
          wassat

          So you think that all the people involved did everything correctly? Do I understand you correctly?
          Well, so what if it flew where it wanted and landed where it wanted...
          And then this mass of canticle lovers, leg-pullers, plate polishers and snowdrift rakers pretended to be rags "There was no order!" - when the USSR was torn to pieces...
          1. 0
            16 June 2025 11: 12
            pretended to be a rag" There was no order!"

            So we are talking exclusively about alternative air defense, and not about what you are writing.
            Marshal Sokolov S.L., in my opinion, a soldier, coped with his task 100%, he was not the one who launched the changes...
            1. 0
              16 June 2025 11: 56
              Quote: Edward Vashchenko
              pretended to be a rag" There was no order!"

              So we are talking exclusively about alternative air defense, and not about what you are writing.
              Marshal Sokolov S.L., in my opinion, a soldier, coped with his task 100%, he was not the one who launched the changes...

              The USSR air defense in the form in which it existed was incapable of coping with a UAV attack on Orenburg, for example, or any other city located at the same distance from the USSR border.
              For example, there was a ZRP in Kushka - but it was folded up. And if such UAVs had come from Afghanistan - it simply wouldn't have had time to deploy launchers and other things to repel the attack.
              That is, the regiment was there, but virtual. lol
              And so the whole SA. Somewhere there was something, somewhere there was a hole. When in Afghanistan the Minister of Defense raised a mutiny - we had 1200 soldiers in the division in Kushka - after cadreing. On the other side in Turugundi there were 980 people in the regiment feel lol
              And our regiment commander was rushing around with a tattered broom, unwrapping two Grads right in the park - because there were no soldiers to carry charges.
              Division eprst.....
            2. +1
              21 July 2025 13: 58
              Marshal Sokolov S.L., in my opinion, as a soldier, coped with his task 100%

              It was against him and the General Staff officers who hated the "marked one" that this provocation of the "Marked Combine Operator" and the "Iron Lady" - M. Thatcher - was started...
              And in the end, everything was blamed on the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Defense, Marshal of Aviation, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, combat pilot and front-line soldier (with the call sign "Sorcerer" in the air) A.I. Koldunov.
              Who personally shook my hand and said warm words, thanking me for my service... To me, a conscript sergeant, senior ACS operator 1st class
              and to my entire calculation of ACS operators:
              "You guys have no idea what you've done..." - his words.
              There, in the steppe, right at the position... At the testing ground in Sary-Shagan "Soyuz-79".
              And before that - "Dal-78", also six months, also in the steppe, in tents...
              But then our RTC worked in conjunction with the 79th air defense brigade (S-200)...
              Ground launches, launches from carriers... But I was a young junior sergeant then, just after "boot camp" (school of junior specialists - 4 months in Yelets and 2 months of internship in St. Russa), then back - to the 6th Yaroslavl RTV brigade of the 3rd Air Defense Corps... (now disbanded "Taburetkin". Like the 2nd Gorky, 1st Rzhevsky...). Corps, guys... With all the anti-aircraft missile brigades, IA regiments, RTV brigades with low-altitude companies subordinated to them (here it is, the so-called "devil in the details", from which the "solid radiolocation field" was formed, which is so lacking now).
              And to restore... It's long, expensive, tedious, costly...
              p/s: And the article is really weak... Too many inaccuracies, inconsistencies, just heresies...
              For whom did the "marked one" steal (take and not return) the flight maps from Koldunov, which were used to plot the flight route of this schoolboy (along the boundaries of the "areas of responsibility between the IA and ZRV" and how they differ, why were the Cessna's tanks almost full - where could he refuel, why did an oil slick float to the surface of the sea, simulating a crash, when did they start searching... There are many different "whys"....
  7. +6
    14 June 2025 07: 18
    If there had been the vertical management structure that existed in the USSR, not to mention the one that existed under Stalin, the problem of combating UAVs, like the problem of eliminating the Kyiv regime, would have been solved quickly and with high quality.

    The further we go, the stronger the assumption becomes that these issues cannot be resolved under the current system.
    1. +2
      14 June 2025 17: 07
      Quote: avia12005
      Given the vertical management structure that existed in the USSR

      What do you mean? Some drone like "Lyuty" landed on Red Square?
      1. +2
        15 June 2025 05: 15
        Under Gorbaty, there was no longer a vertical management structure, dear sir.
        1. 0
          15 June 2025 09: 45
          Quote: avia12005
          Under Gorbaty, there was no longer a vertical management structure, dear sir.

          Koldunov, Sokolov, the heroes of WWII also sold out to the enemy? Or did the vertical collapse under them?
          1. 0
            15 June 2025 12: 29
            It was under Mechen that all the people you mentioned were dismissed (if not expelled) from the USSR Armed Forces. And many, many others.
            1. -1
              15 June 2025 12: 30
              Quote: Kasatik
              It was under Mechen that all the people you mentioned were dismissed (if not expelled) from the USSR Armed Forces.

              After Rust sat down in the square, the service was well organized.
      2. +2
        15 June 2025 10: 53
        And have you forgotten about the UAV strikes on the Kremlin?
        1. 0
          15 June 2025 11: 22
          Quote: Eskobar
          And have you forgotten about the UAV strikes on the Kremlin?

          I remember that the heirs are sitting like that, the same nomenklatura members.
      3. -1
        15 June 2025 13: 03
        [Story about time travelers on]

        Comrade Stalin would have been killed by an FPV drone explosion right on the platform of Lenin's Mausoleum during the parade on May 1, 1941. Thus, the problem would have been overcome by the vertical.

        [Story about time travelers off]
  8. +7
    14 June 2025 07: 40
    There was another anti-drone weapon. How long would a state that risked attacking the USSR with several thousand drones have survived?
    The best anti-drone weapon is the tanks and infantry of the USSR in the capital of this state.
    1. +2
      14 June 2025 17: 08
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      There was another anti-drone weapon. How long would a state that risked attacking the USSR with several thousand drones have survived?

      The Chinese killed 32 of our border guards, and eventually took the island, but it seems to still exist.
      1. +2
        15 June 2025 00: 32
        Learn history. Soviet border guards defended their territory. Damansky Island went under water, naturally, the PRC carried out fill work. This conflict took the lives of 58 of our soldiers. M.S. Gorbachev signed an agreement with China in 1991, according to which Damansky Island passed to China. The agreement was ratified by the Supreme Soviet in 1992. China set up a military memorial and museum on Damansky.
        1. 0
          15 June 2025 09: 41
          Quote: Vlad Gor
          Learn the story.

          Quote: Vlad Gor
          How long would a state that risked attacking the USSR with several thousand drones have survived?

          So how did it end?
    2. 0
      15 June 2025 13: 06
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      The best anti-drone weapon is the tanks and infantry of the USSR in the capital of this state.

      Do you think that FPV drones would be ineffective against tanks and infantry of the Red Army? And those produced in millions of copies?
    3. +1
      16 June 2025 09: 06
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      There was another anti-drone weapon. How long would a state that risked attacking the USSR with several thousand drones have survived?
      The best anti-drone weapon is the tanks and infantry of the USSR in the capital of this state.

      For 3 years China has been killing our border guards at Zholonashkol and Damansky. Probably excursions to to the ashes Are they driving Beijing??
  9. +3
    14 June 2025 09: 19
    Despite its developed air defense, the USSR (as serious experts estimated) was not capable of repelling an attack by thousands of cruise missiles.
    1. +2
      14 June 2025 14: 48
      was not able to repel the attack of thousands of KR.
      Depends on what. Since in the late 70s these cruise missiles were Tomahawks with VRDs, one of the options was to cause large areas of thermal unevenness along their route, which would cause a flow breakdown in the VRD compressor. Naturally, this series of airborne nuclear explosions had to be carried out either over enemy or neutral territory.
      1. +1
        16 June 2025 09: 08
        Quote: Aviator_
        was not able to repel the attack of thousands of KR.
        Depends on what. Since in the late 70s these cruise missiles were Tomahawks with VRDs, one of the options was to cause large areas of thermal unevenness along their route, which would cause a flow breakdown in the VRD compressor. Naturally, this series of airborne nuclear explosions had to be carried out either over enemy or neutral territory.

        Why do an air detonation of nuclear weapons? over enemy territory - if you can tear the enemy apart with this nuclear weapon? Considering the speeds, you would have to hit first
  10. +6
    14 June 2025 14: 23
    If grandma had ..., she would be a grandfather!
    What is this article about?
    But if in 45, and if earlier...
    Silly!
  11. +4
    14 June 2025 16: 30
    Quote: Aviator_
    was not able to repel the attack of thousands of KR.
    Depends on what. .....Naturally, this series of aerial detonations of nuclear weapons had to be carried out either over enemy territory or over neutral territory.

    There were many proposals at the idea level, but they were not or could not be implemented.
  12. +3
    14 June 2025 16: 55
    Good day! Soviet air defense of the 1970s and 1980s was the strongest air defense in the world in history: 4 meter, decimeter and centimeter range radars (SNR), 000 SAM launchers and 10 fighter-interceptors were capable of repelling any attack. In the early 000s, it dawned on the Americans that almost all NATO and US Air Force pilots: fighter-bombers, strategic bombers - were potential dead men. 2 - 500 Americans, British, French, Germans with expensive higher educations would have simply burned in the cockpits of their planes, and the output would have been millions of tons of non-ferrous scrap metal on the territory of the USSR and millions of kilograms of burnt human flesh from the elite of the NATO armed forces. A decision was made to deploy 1980 Tomahawk cruise missiles on US Navy ships, including 6 nuclear-armed and 000 land-based Griffons, to at least somehow deplete the Soviet air defense and keep at least some of its pilots alive during a nuclear strike on the USSR. As a target for the Tomahawk air defense, something like (according to the RCS) the Soviet La-7 target, the first Tomahawks (BGM-000 A/B/C) had a fuselage, wings, stabilizer feathers made of aluminum alloys, with an RCS approximately like the La-4 and from the frontal and flank projection. Of the 000 km of the flight route, the missile flies at an echelon of 758 meters (464% of the route) and only the last 17 km to the target does it fly at an altitude of 109 meters. For the Soviet air defense, it's not a target, but a candy that flies into your mouth. We could use an air defense like that now.
    1. +1
      16 June 2025 09: 11
      Quote from sergeyketonov
      10 SAM launchers and 000 fighter-interceptors were capable of repelling any attack.

      And what would this give if 1000 UAVs were flown daily for a month, for example?
  13. +3
    14 June 2025 17: 53
    "...during the Soviet era, this simply couldn't happen." It could. In 1987, Rust did.
    1. +3
      14 June 2025 20: 05
      There is a complicated story with Rust, where responsibility for the shooting down was shifted from one hand to another, and then back and forth several more times.
      Well, time has been wasted.
      What to take - the times of Gorby and Raika the spies.
      Nobody wanted to take responsibility for not losing their hats.
      1. +3
        14 June 2025 21: 31
        Yes. The traitors rebuilt it in their time. They surrendered the state...
      2. -1
        15 June 2025 13: 21
        Quote: Billi Bons1972
        There is a complicated story with Rust, where responsibility for the shooting down was shifted from one hand to another, and then back and forth several more times.

        Rust was approached once by a MiG-23 of Senior Lieutenant Puchnin. The pilot visually identified the Cessna as a sports plane. For a MiG-23 jet fighter pilot, such a slow, small-sized and low-altitude target was quite difficult... and then the Soviet air defense repeatedly lost Rust's plane, confusing it with a flock of birds, taking it for other light aircraft, already Soviet ones. So he flew from the border to Vasilievsky Spusk in a few hours without any obstacles.

        https://www.kp.ru/daily/27397/4593465/

        "When Rust was in the Pskov area at 15.00:23, the "friend or foe" code number was changing according to the schedule. And we had training flights of air regiments there. And our duty lieutenant assigned the "friend" sign to Rust's plane. By the way, Puchnin's fighter was also lifted into the air by the duty lieutenant, who insisted on lifting this MiG-XNUMX without waiting for the order of the senior commander.

        - So Rust was approaching Moscow already having the “one of our own” sign, assigned to him by an officer of our air defense?

        - Yes. And in the Moscow District zone there was an automated control system (ACS) that could have dealt with this, but it couldn’t."
    2. +2
      14 June 2025 22: 16
      For fun, Rust would bring a model of a nuclear warhead to Red Square - the raw one would be much larger in scale
  14. +3
    14 June 2025 22: 57
    Sorry guys, but as I understand it, those who talk about the destruction of the AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM of the USSR era do not mean the equipment of the 70s, but the system itself - a deeply echeloned UNIFIED AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM, and not separate, practically unconnected air defense districts. That is, all information about the air situation should be collected in one place. So that the center knows in real time what is happening in each separate district. What needs to be done to prevent the breakthrough of air defense systems through this district or, in extreme cases, so that these air defense systems are knocked down in the next one if they accidentally break through. In general, there was no need to DESTROY THE SYSTEM ITSELF, but to transfer it to a new technological level. But what can you do. You can’t throw Taburetkin out of history like Pasha Mercedes and all the rest of them. crying
    1. 0
      21 July 2025 22: 56
      I agree, bravo!
      In general, there was no need to DESTROY THE SYSTEM ITSELF, but to transfer it to a new technological level. But what can you do? You can't throw Taburetkin out of history, just like Pasha Mercedes and all the rest of them.

      And this is like the icing on the cake!
      And what is this "deeply echeloned air defense system", I hesitate to ask? Why was it necessary to destroy it? Money... New economic relations... When the ACS operator could issue "upon notification" the coordinates of the same SR-71 for destruction by local air defense thousands of kilometers away...
      Or call for help a couple of interceptors from near Yaroslavl, help a pilot with equipment failure and his plane turned inland, turn on the distress signal for the radar operators "WHO WILL SEE"...
      "Saw" our meter range station operator ("Lena", 113, I think - sorry, I don't remember) - gave the information to the duty officer at the control panel in Yaroslavl "for making a decision"... Then it was a matter of technique. The exact coordinates in the air ("minutes" in azimuth, +_- meters in altitude and range) of the "lost" were already given by our RTC. Why not directly, from "screen to screen"? The ACS does not work in the meter range... That only goes to the command post tablet, or to the duty officer's remote indicator for visualization. Not for guidance...
  15. +2
    14 June 2025 23: 13
    The human brain (or AI) produces all sorts of wild ideas.
    Firstly, Ukraine was part of the USSR and, accordingly, its air defense was too.
    And secondly, in the times of the USSR, attack drones had not yet been invented. Huge Tupolev UAVs were flying, but they were reusable
  16. +1
    15 June 2025 08: 58
    Shilka, ZU-23-2, ZPU 14,5 mm, DShK 12,7 mm. There are many thousands (tens of thousands???) of these barrels in warehouses, this is irrelevant against modern aviation, but why not against UAVs? Together with detection means - acoustic and optical.
    But until now all our oil depots, factories are not protected by at least such weapons!!! They will tell me - it is ineffective? Were tests conducted, shooting (at different types of UAVs from different calibers, with a comparison of efficiency by types and calibers)? If so - no questions. So were they conducted or not?????????????
    1. 0
      15 June 2025 17: 08
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      There are many thousands (tens of thousands???) of barrels in warehouses

      We had a lot of things and probably still have them. And there are probably millions of small arms in warehouses. And how much ammunition for them, which it turns out becomes unusable over the years... And how many rounds did non-specialized servicemen in the SA shoot from machine guns and why so many?!
      1. +1
        16 June 2025 09: 20
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And how much ammunition do they have, which, it turns out, become unusable over the years... And how many rounds did non-specialized servicemen in the SA fire from a machine gun and why so many?

        lol but they "pulled the leg", polished the buckle, beat off the edging, leveled the snowdrifts along the ritheka, and did other obscene things
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        8 September 2025 19: 18
        I don't know what's in the warehouses, but I saw the fighters being equipped with AKMs on the news. Draw your own conclusions.
    2. +2
      16 June 2025 09: 18
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      Shilka, ZU-23-2, ZPU 14,5 mm, DShK 12,7 mm. There are many thousands (tens of thousands???) of these barrels in warehouses, this is irrelevant against modern aviation, but why not against UAVs? Together with detection means - acoustic and optical.

      There are 42 bridges and overpasses in the Russian Federation, if we take the calculation of 000 people (+ transport and other) - then only for bridges we need at least 3 million people aged 1 to 18
    3. P
      -1
      8 September 2025 19: 16
      Zushka with a trained conscript operator shoots down a Grad shell. Lyuty would have been torn to pieces immediately and would have gone on leave
  17. +1
    16 June 2025 15: 05
    Do you regret the collapse of the USSR? You have a heart. Do you want the USSR to be restored to its former form? You have no head.

    Don't want the USSR to be restored? You don't have the head, but it's inevitable.
  18. 0
    16 June 2025 15: 15
    Quote: your1970
    There are 42 bridges and overpasses in the Russian Federation, if we take the calculation of 000 people (+ transport and other) - then only for bridges we need at least 3 million people aged 1 to 18

    1. 3 people per 42 thousand objects is 126 thousand people, which is an order of magnitude less than 1 million people. Transport and other things for these 126 thousand people will be approximately 10-12 thousand.
    2. There is no need to protect all 42 thousand bridges. It is enough to protect several thousand important bridges and other important objects. There are no more than 10 thousand of them all together.
    3. They will not allow truck bombs to roam the country and especially not onto the Crimean Bridge.
  19. 0
    21 July 2025 19: 12
    One thing can be said with certainty: traditional air defense systems, no matter how modern they are, are not capable of completely solving the problem of long-range kamikaze drones.

    I completely agree with this, Andrey (author).
    No air defense system in the world can guarantee this... Especially when the head of "ROSTEKH" S. Chemezov simply calls them "cheap Chinese children's toys" in an interview with the media... His deputy Artyakov is quite a "personality". I personally met him at a meeting with Vitaly Andreevich Vilchik - at that time the director of the SKP (assembly and body production) of AvtoVAZ...
    Maybe they're just "out of place", both of them...
  20. 0
    2 September 2025 07: 41
    ...the S-25 and S-75 systems could not operate against low-flying targets, since their minimum engagement altitude was about three kilometers... Regarding the S-75, I disagree with you. Already during my service (1970-72), our division had the ability to fire at low-flying targets. During my time, improvements were made (a group of engineers was assigned to the division), and the ammunition loadout was supplemented with products capable of operating even against ground targets. Subsequently, work against low-flying targets depended on the capabilities of the SRC (P-12), which was not very effective in detecting low-altitude targets.
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    8 September 2025 18: 52
    small aircraft, aerostats would have worked in 1975 and 2025 approximately equally well. But the USSR could have made them and put specialists in them, and the Russian Federation destroyed its (not its own, of course, stolen from the USSR) potential and concreted the ground where it could have appeared
  22. 0
    9 September 2025 23: 41
    What is needed here is not a corncob, but something like the I-15 biplane, which had amazing vertical maneuverability due to its design. The maximum speed of 400 km/h would be more than enough to destroy any drones with a piston engine.