Behind the pages of documents. Or once again about something very strange…

A still from a very interesting film, "Cruelty" (1959). A Chekist commits suicide. A loyal young man devoted to the cause of the revolution. But why he did it and what he was disappointed in - that's what the film is about. The director, however, was required to include a personal motive, love, in the reasons for the suicide, well, of course, otherwise... But anyway, why it happened was clear to everyone.

But a bishop must be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, chaste, respectable, honest, hospitable, and a teacher.
3 Timothy 2:XNUMX

History in documents. We live in a world of oddities and contradictions. Moreover, if we look into the archive documents, we will see that there are countless of them there too. Moreover, there are countless of them on the pages of the newspaper Pravda, and in those same 30-40s of the last century it was controlled in so many ways. After all, this organ was the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), and therefore, it is blameless in all respects. But even there there are discrepancies, inconsistencies and direct contradictions in abundance. Although, in principle, this should not be.

As a child, I, of course, had no idea that there could be something “wrong” in newspapers and magazines. Until I found an old thick calendar from 1941, and there some photographs and articles were underlined by my grandfather, and under Beria’s portrait there was even an inscription (the article said how wonderful he was!): “Enemy of the people. Shot, the dog!”

Following the calendar, I came across a thick file of the newspaper Pravda (and how Grandpa wasn’t too lazy to file it!). I started looking in it and, of course, found a lot of photographs tanks and other weapons, but again, what surprised me most was the underlining. My grandfather must have made them after 1953, or maybe even 1956. And in them, with references to other "Pravda" articles, it was precisely these kinds of inconsistencies that were pointed out.

For example, I noticed a 1942 article about Germans in Germany starving and eating surrogates. But a 1944 newspaper wrote that they were gorging themselves, that boxes of French cognac, Strasbourg pates, salami, Danish cheeses were found in their apartments... For some reason, such comparisons in Pravda seemed very... shameful to me. As if I had peeked into something indecent, so I immediately abandoned further digging in that file.

So I never got around to asking my grandfather how, why and for what purpose he searched for such "inconsistencies" in newspapers, underlined and made cross-references. And then it all disappeared somewhere, so now I have to restore all these interesting finds. But what is important is that smart people who "laid their lives" on the altar of the Fatherland (and my grandfather was awarded the Order of Lenin and the "Badge of Honor" for his work during the war) were generally involved in such things.

In any case, there have been, are and will be oddities in everything that concerns the information surrounding us. And this time my visit to the regional party archive brought one such extremely interesting find. This time they brought me a folder for work with the minutes of closed meetings of the bureau of the city committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) with the results of the votes for January-November 1937.

Cover of this folder

I didn't expect to find anything particularly new there. Well, it's clear what the high-level bureau meetings were devoted to at that time. Of course, the fight against the enemies of the people, who were found almost everywhere that year.

Here, for example, is the accident in the boiler room of the Frunze plant...

And it happened because “the director did not show due attention…”, and the team was contaminated with anti-Soviet elements who were engaging in anti-Soviet conversations.

Anti-Soviet elements were found and it was proposed to remove them from the plant!

And there were also 20 people who had been previously expelled from the party working there (apparently, there was simply no one to replace them - V.O.'s note), and that's where the trouble happened! But here's the question: if everyone is expelled, who will work?

This is how the certificates from the Bureau of the City Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) regarding expulsion from the party looked like at that time.

And here there were a lot of excluded people at once...

And here's what's strange. First they tried to recruit as many as possible, then they tried to exclude as many as possible. These were the methods of selection and placement of party personnel back then![/ Center]

And then this document falls into my hands.

It reads:

KUIBYSHEV REGIONAL COMMITTEE OF THE ALL-RUSSIAN FEDERATION/BOLSH/
TO THE ACTING SECRETARY OF THE REGIONAL COMMITTEE OF THE ALL-UNION CPSU/6/ - comrade POSTYSHEV P.P.
Today afternoon, after being released after interrogation by the NKVD, the former head of the 3rd workshop of Plant No. 50, a member of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), committed suicide.
Since 1935, KUZNETSOV K.V. KUZNETSOV went to his cousin's apartment, where KUZNETSOV, as reported, drank a little with him and, going into the restroom, shot himself in the temple.
KUZNETSOV is accused of deliberately covering up defects, defective work, drawing up fictitious reports on defective parts as if they were good, and of concealing the sabotage of his assistant UTEHAN and shop foreman NIKULINA, who carried out sabotage work in the shop.
KUZNETSOV confessed to the charges brought against him during interrogation at the NKVD.
KUZNETSOV's suicide gives reason to assume his actual guilt.
Earlier, KUZNETSOV was tried in April 1934 for allowing defects in tractor parts and was charged under Article 109 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR*. He was acquitted by the court.
In April 1936, he was removed from the position of head of the 3rd automatic workshop by the plant director for mixing defective parts of the IFV and 6 MD-8 detonators with suitable ones.”
In mid-May, on the eve of the NKVD investigation, KUZNETSOV was dismissed by the director from his position as head of the 3rd workshop for allowing defective products into the storeroom and handing over defective products as suitable.
KUZNETSOV was a member of the Zavodskoy District Party Committee and was active in the life of the factory party organization, working as a propagandist.
At the meeting, KUZNETSOV actively spoke out against the plant director...

But the “enemies” said that Kuznetsov suffered for the truth...

This is truly a gift to some of our commentators on VO, who like to write about how something could not have happened because it could never have happened, and that the author most likely made it all up.

Let's look at the facts of the case: a man is summoned for interrogation to the NKVD, where, judging by the text of the interrogation (it is long, boring, uninteresting, so there is no point in citing it here in full), he confessed to his anti-Soviet, sabotage activities. Moreover, having allowed such a suspicious person into the NKVD building, he was not even searched, and the entire time he was being interrogated there, he had a pistol with him. The note even states such a detail that he "had a little drink with his brother", but it does not say that he took the pistol from him. And there is no information that his brother had weaponIt is unclear why they let him go at all if he said so much about himself?

Well, and then the conclusion: since he committed suicide, it means that he can be assumed guilty and that he wanted to hide the accomplices of his crime. That's how simple everything was then. There was no need to prove anything special. The fact of suicide was enough!

It's a very strange thing, isn't it? And if it wasn't supported by documents, it would be very difficult to believe in it. But it turns out that such things happened in 1937...

And what else could you get kicked out of your job and the party for in 197? It turns out, for correspondence with relatives abroad. And also if among your wife's relatives were those executed for counterrevolution. Sympathetic statements about Gamarnik's suicide...

Judging by this document, the entire cavalry school was destroyed and depopulated. And who was left to teach what after that? And what kind of cavalry officers came out of it after that?

The topic of denunciations "to the right place" is always very interesting. Who wrote them, the content... It turns out that they were written, among other things, by lecturers-propagandists.

It is interesting that, despite the exceptionally powerful information pressure on the citizens of the USSR from the party apparatus and the media, there were people in it, including workers, who dared to question everything said by those same propagandists. And, most likely, they got the full measure of it!

And this is a letter to the party organization of the shift foreman's shop.

He should have observed how this woman worked, whether it was good or bad. And whether her “immature thoughts” prevented her from fulfilling, or perhaps even overfulfilling, the plan. But no! He immediately reported “where necessary” to remove her from the enterprise. And how else? People! Be vigilant! Identify all those who doubt, waver, and ponder. There is no place for them in our close-knit society!

Comments

[Richard]

from a very interesting film "Cruelty" (1959). A security officer commits suicide. A loyal, devoted young man to the cause of the revolution. But why he did it and what he was disappointed in - this is what the film is about.

Well, to be honest, Nilinsky Veniamin was not a Chekist, but an employee of the RCM.

The film director was required to add a personal motive, love, to the reasons for the suicide, well, how could it be otherwise...

No, Caliber. The film "Cruelty", based on the story of the same name by P. Nilin, is valuable because the script is exactly the same as the text of the book. There is no directorial "amateurism" there. Quite a rare case in Russian cinema. Similar films include "Twenty Days Without War", "They Fought for Their Country," "Heart of a Dog" and a few others.
Have you yourself, Caliber, read this story by Nilin?

[Richard]

Why did V. Malyshev shoot himself?

Why? Let's listen to the author P. Nilin himself:

The hero of my story "Cruelty" Venka Malyshev is the embodiment of the Russian national ideal of Truth and Justice. About what a person in power should be - honest, fair, selfless and kind. My Venka, although outwardly in character is somewhat similar to the hero of our main "Lives of the Saints" Pavel Korchagin, but at the same time his antipode.. Korchagin N. Ostrovsky - the image of the "Red Jesus", a martyr and ascetic. And Malyshev is not a saint, but a living Russian man in flesh and blood. With his mistakes and weaknesses, but alive. "Red Jesus" - P. Korchagin would never have shot himself in a moment of weakness, but Venka broke down, could not withstand the injustices and mockery that flooded him. And he broke down because he could not, though not his fault, keep the promise given to the former bandit Lazar Baukin. Plus his incompetent, illiterate immediate superiors seeking only personal glory, a vile journalist and unhappy love. (c)

[Richard]

Interesting : The candidacies of the film's actors G. Yumatov (V. Malyshev) and B. Andreev (former bandit Lazar Baukin, mortally tired of all this senseless and useless struggle with the Soviet power) were personally recommended to director Skuyubin by P. Nilin. In his opinion, the psychotype and characters of the book's heroes and these actors are "extremely similar" (c).
Interesting : Pavel Nilin is the author's pseudonym of Pavel Filippovich Danilin

[kalibr]

Quote: Richard

Have you yourself, Caliber, read this story by Nilin?

I just saw the movie...

[andrewkor]

I saw "Cruelty" as a child and was very impressed. Even as a child I correctly (positively) assessed the protagonist's actions. And what personalities and their characters are drawn by the Author!!!

[Richard]

The film is certainly good. But I still recommend the book. I agree with you, Andrey, completely - Nilin is a subtle master of drawing the characters and personalities of his heroes. The author of the remarkable stories "Cruelty", "Probationary Period", "Foolishness", "Married for the First Time", "The Big Life", "Through the Cemetery", Varya Lugina", "The Last Theft" and others, which were used to film masterpieces of Soviet cinema.

[not main]

Aren't you surprised that the "case" folder had the typographic font 196...g, but 1937 was written by hand? What is this? The NKVD was preparing for repressions for decades? I already wrote I DON'T BELIEVE IT! It's all far-fetched! Although for a propagandist this is normal.

[kalibr]

Quote: non-primary

What is this? The NKVD was preparing for repressions for decades?

What's strange about that? The folder is worn out. It was replaced. You've just never been to an archive, you haven't seen how quickly documents deteriorate there, even when stored carefully.

[bober1982]

We live in a world of oddities and contradictions because all people are sick, absolutely. Everyone has an impure heart, vile thoughts. No theory of Marxism-Leninism, or belonging to any privileged category of citizens, can change a person for the better. The help of the Church is needed.

[Richard]

P. Nilin himself was born in 1908 near Irkutsk in the family of an exiled settler. From the first days of Soviet power he served in the criminal investigation department in Tulun near Irkutsk. From 1927 he worked as a journalist. Wrote books. Laureate of the Stalin Prize in 1941. Communist. Order bearer.
He spoke at an extended meeting of the Presidium of the Board of the Union of Writers of the USSR on October 27, 1958, which condemned B. Pasternak, and said that with all due respect to Pasternak’s talent, one must remember: there are only two sides to a barricade
Member of the board of the USSR Joint Venture since 1971.
He was buried in Moscow at the Vagankovskoye Cemetery.

[ln_ln]

P. Nilin himself was born in 1908 near Irkutsk to a family of exiled settlers. From the first days of Soviet power, he served in the criminal investigation department in Tulun near Irkutsk.

At 10 years old or something?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from: ln_ln

At 10 years old or something?

At 10, he started working, due to his father's death. But not wanted, of course.

[paul3390]

And is the church fully staffed with heavenly angels?

[Sensor]

In 2009, I was in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, there were more than a dozen cash registers working in a row, it was unpleasantly surprising, and Pink Floуd's "Money It Is Gas" started playing in my head.

[Amateur]

This organ was the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), and therefore, it was blameless in all respects. But even there there were discrepancies, inconsistencies and direct contradictions everywhere.

And how many inconsistencies and contradictions are there in the most immaculate of immaculate documents in history called "The Bible"? Although perhaps the party propagandist Shpakovsky has not read the Bible.
ps Vyacheslav Olegovich! I remember that you promised to sue me and live off my pension for the rest of your life. I can't wait. And here's another reason for you:
New "slop" from Shpakovsky.

[kalibr]

Quote: Amateur

New "slop" from Shpakovsky.

I don't want to waste time. I remembered Confucius: sit still and the corpse of your enemy will float down the river in front of you.

[Amateur]

Sit still and the corpse of your enemy will float down the river in front of you.

I'm already sitting. Quietly. And looking at the river.

[anatolv]

Comrade propagandists, as practice shows, are distinguished by enviable health and longevity! So he will still dance on your grave!

[BAI]

About the river. Inspired by:
Last year I was in Severodonetsk. And in a conversation with the locals it turned out that they don't eat fish from the local river (I don't remember the name, but the Seversky Donets is also nearby).
Why?
Answer: I went fishing and I see an old man sitting there. He caught a fish and released it, caught it and released it. Why do you do that?
Come sit next to me.
Sat down.
After 10 minutes the corpse floats. Another 5 minutes - another corpse.
Grandpa - do you understand everything?
Yes.
Well, something like this.
(Whose corpses are unknown).

[Grancer81]

If grandpa caught burbots, then maybe he did the right thing. Well, catfish also eat rotten stuff...

[paul3390]

You know, looking at you, among others, I understand more and more the reasons for 1937...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: kalibr

I remembered Confucius: sit still and the corpse of your enemy will float down the river in front of you.

Somehow, this principle did not help him very much throughout the history of China.

[kalibr]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Somehow, throughout the history of China, this principle did not help him very much.

Well, I had this in my personal experience...

[bober1982]

Regarding the inconsistencies in the Bible, in my opinion, you are wrong. Firstly, what is the Bible - it is the books of the Old and New Testaments. Secondly, frankly speaking, the Old Testament is not our mind. Our great father John of Kronstadt, as he teaches........ faith believes directly, but does not reason, does not conclude, does not look for optical lenses for its vision. Reason has its own area, faith is not its area, not its business. As for the article, it is interesting, why are they so against the author, it is not clear.

[paul3390]

Yeah. Just like Tertullian - that's why I believe it, because it's absurd....

[man]

As for the article, it is interesting, but it is not clear why they are so against the author.
Probably because of the author's last name, don't you know that the military doesn't like "shpaks" Joke

[Million]

New "slop" from Shpakovsky.

Exactly! That's his job.

[Doctor]

And how many inconsistencies and contradictions are there in the most immaculate of immaculate documents in history called "The Bible"? Although perhaps the party propagandist Shpakovsky has not read the Bible.
ps Vyacheslav Olegovich! I remember that you promised to sue me and live off my pension for the rest of your life. I can't wait. And here's another reason for you:
New "slop" from Shpakovsky.

I read it. 100%. The epigraphs to the articles are from the Bible, including this one.

[Aviator_]

(and my grandfather was awarded the Order of Lenin and the Badge of Honor for his work during the war)

I would like to hear more from this point. To receive the Order of Lenin in the rear - that was something very useful that had to be done.

For example, a 1942 article about Germans in Germany starving and eating surrogates caught my eye. But a 1944 newspaper wrote that they were gorging themselves, that boxes of French cognac, Strasbourg pates, salami, Danish cheeses were found in their apartments…

A typical propaganda campaign. You might also want to watch the 1942 film "Antosha Rybkin" (starring Boris Chirkov), a comedy on a war theme. Propaganda, however. A professional propagandist shouldn't feign surprise here.

[kalibr]

Quote: Aviator_

I would like to hear more from this point. To receive the Order of Lenin in the rear - that was something very useful that had to be done.

Should I show you, as well as some other readers who don't believe that I knew Shpakovsky well, a photo of my grandfather with the order? Will that be enough? Because I don't know how and for what he got it. I was young, I wasn't interested. I know that during the war he headed the Penza city education department. And, by the way, both he and his brother Vladimir, a math teacher, also received the Order of the Badge of Honor.

[Aviator_]

No, it is not enough. I am not talking about the presence of the order, but about what such an award was for. It is surprising that nothing has been written about my grandfather, who received such an award from the USSR. For a professional historian, this is very strange. The Order of the Badge of Honor was not such a high rank, but it was also not given out for free. And what does this have to do with me and "disbelief in your stepfather Shpakovsky"?

[kalibr]

Quote: Aviator_

It is surprising that nothing has been written about his grandfather, who received such an award from the USSR. For a professional historian, this is very strange.

As a child I wasn't very interested in his biography, let's say, I didn't like him very much, and I learned about his past not from him, but by chance from my mother's stories. Then I wrote about him in the novel "If Hitler had taken Moscow". But no documents were preserved in the family. And it didn't occur to me to look for them in the archive.

[Richard]

There were no documents preserved in the family. And it didn't occur to me to look for them in the archive.

No problem. You can find out in a simpler way: There is a website on the Internet with the alphabetical full names of all holders of the Order of Lenin. Enter your grandfather's full name there and you will find out in what year and for what he was awarded it, or for what he was deprived of it.
link: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Категория: Кавалеры_ордена_Ленина http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Орден_Ленина

[kalibr]

Quote: Richard

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Орден_Ленина

I looked and there was P.K. Taratynov... no. I found this on some local history website: The brother of Alexey Taratynov, Nadezhda's great-great-grandfather, Petr Konstantinovich Taratynov worked during the Great Patriotic War as the head of the education department in Penza, and later as the director of the school for working youth. Under Taratynov's leadership, the schools launched socially useful work. There is a photo of my grandfather with these two orders... I couldn't find anything else.

[Aviator_]

Alexey Taratynov's brother, Nadezhda's great-great-grandfather, Petr Konstantinovich Taratynov worked during the Great Patriotic War as the head of the education department in Penza, and later as the director of a school for working youth. Under Taratynov's leadership, schools began socially useful work. There is a photo of my grandfather with these two orders... I couldn't find anything else.

Strange. Was the award given in the Great Patriotic War, or on the occasion of an anniversary, like "Dear Leonid Ilyich"? That's not the same status, you can only get the "badge of honor" at this level.

[kalibr]

Quote: Aviator_

A typical propaganda campaign. You might also want to watch the 1942 film "Antosha Rybkin" (starring Boris Chirkov), a comedy on a war theme. Propaganda, however. A professional propagandist shouldn't feign surprise here.

I know. And I watched Rybkin. But you need to understand that cinema is ART, and the newspaper "Pravda" is a DOCUMENT of the Central Committee. These are different things.

[Aviator_]

newspaper "Pravda" - DOCUMENT OF THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE. These are different things.

A document of the Central Committee is its resolution. And the newspaper "Pravda" is a propaganda tool, you also need to understand this.

[kalibr]

Quote: Aviator_

And the newspaper "Pravda" is a propaganda tool, you also need to understand this.

I understand exactly. But the newspaper in which the Resolution is published automatically becomes a document and can be cited as a source.

[Nikname2025]

and the newspaper "Pravda" is a DOCUMENT of the Central Committee.

The documents of the Central Committee are the resolutions of the plenums, the resolutions of the Presidium of the Central Committee, etc. And the newspaper "Pravda" is the main mouthpiece of propaganda. And as history shows, not all who blow into this mouthpiece, that is, the propagandists, are distinguished by their intelligence and resourcefulness. You don't have to go anywhere for examples, they are right there. It is surprising that for you, as an old party agitprop member, this raises a question.

[kalibr]

Quote: Nikname2025

the main mouthpiece of propaganda.

In historical science, this is considered a document. And I have no questions about it. I have already written about this in the POISONED PEN series and in a number of articles about the outright stupidities in Pravda. It is strange that you do not remember.

[Nikname2025]

In historical science, a material object, in this case a newspaper, which contains information about the past and is involved in the process of scientific research, is called a historical source. As for the concept of a document, historical science has not yet clearly defined this term for itself.

[gsev]

Quote: Nikname2025

As for the concept of a document, historical science has not yet clearly defined this term for itself.

There is no clear definition of the degree of reliability of any source or document. The science of history, studying historical sources and documents, tries to create a less complete model of the world on their basis.

[Million]

So Shpakovsky is also SMERSH and almost a Hero of the Soviet Union.
A plot for a joke.

[kalibr]

Quote: Million

So Shpakovsky is also a SME

And you take a look at the documents. They are on the Internet...

[paul3390]

What else could you get kicked out of your job and the party for? in 197 year?

Well, for example, for refusing to make sacrifices to the genius of Emperor Septimius Severus...

[man]

Quote: paul3390

What else could you get kicked out of your job and the party for? in 197 year?

Well, for example, for refusing to make sacrifices to the genius of Emperor Septimius Severus...

I hope, our era? Because before our era there was no party yet

[Melior]

Petka is reading a book about Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece, he didn’t understand something -
I went to ask Vassily Ivanych.
- Vasily Ivanovich, but here it is written that “the patricians arranged orgies with
"heterae", and what are "orgies"?
- Well, orgies, Petka, are drinking parties.
- And who are the "hetaera"?
- These, Petka, are whores.
What about "patricians"?
- Patricians? Hmm... No, Petka, there's a typo there, not "patricians", but party members.

[man]

I wasn't a party member, so I don't know anything about it. I read about Komsomol orgies in Yuri Polyakov's book... I'm sure if he knew what would follow, he would have considered it innocent pranks...

[bober1982]

...... if he knew what would follow...... He repented long ago, by the way, he is a good writer, he also had the perestroika mess, something connected with hazing and the love of a fighter, and he repented for that.

[man]

Quote: bober1982

...... if he knew what would follow...... He repented long ago, by the way, he is a good writer, he also had the perestroika mess, something connected with hazing and the love of a fighter, and he repented for that.

Yes, we have gone through the same path. I have never missed a single one of his works, except for the last ones... the book font has become chalk for the eyes... and I don't like reading online

[paul3390]

Parties have always existed! Before our era - for example, the populares and optimates in Rome.

[man]

Quote: paul3390

Parties have always existed! Before our era - for example, the populares and optimates in Rome.

Sorry, I meant communist

[oleg Pesotsky]

So what is the article about? It's a jumble of all sorts, but there's no sense to be seen /well, except for another anti-Soviet woven into the fabric/ Facts are thrown in, scans of documents are provided, but what's the point? Journalism is the author expressing his point of view, not making a vinaigrette of incompatible components. In this case, the author has ordinary anti-Soviet propaganda disguised as a documentary.

[paul3390]

They destroyed and depopulated the entire cavalry school. And who was left to teach what after that?

And let's say the mass destruction of Soviet military schools by Serdyukov doesn't bother the author?

[kalibr]

Quote: paul3390

And let's say the mass destruction of Soviet military schools by Serdyukov doesn't bother the author?

Was it necessary to insert this into the text? And then... under Serdyukov they were simply closed. But at the time it meant something else. Why did people even shoot themselves in the toilet...

[paul3390]

I told you a long time ago - you, my dear sir, are a complete liar and anti-Soviet... Time after time using a simple trick - a certain case is taken, framed with a bunch of scans of some documents, apparently to give it a scientific appearance and credibility, and as a result - it is presented as an example of the terrible realities of Soviet power. Although any more or less educated person will tell you - judging the whole by individual facts is a gross methodological error. So - either you have a really bad education, or a bad conscience... Your choice.

[kalibr]

Quote: paul3390

Judging the whole from individual facts is a gross methodological error.

The fate of the delegates of the 17th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) is also an isolated fact? And by the way, Pavel, you have a bad sense of logic. Just as one can tell from a drop of water that there is an ocean somewhere, so such "isolated facts" show us life at that time on different levels, not bare figures, but the specific fates of specific people. So I am fine with the methodology.

[Aviator_]

Just like a drop of water tells you that there is an ocean somewhere

You can't conclude from a drop of water that there is an ocean somewhere. It's the same as saying from the presence of a microgram of metallic hydrogen that it exists somewhere in the form of millions of tons. The effect does not scale, you can't mindlessly transfer data from a micro object to a macro object. But what am I talking about? They didn't teach this at the M-L department.

[kalibr]

Quote: Aviator_

You can't tell from a drop of water that there is an ocean somewhere.

But philosophy says that it is possible.

[Aviator_]

But philosophy says that it is possible.

You can talk about it. You can't do it. On a drop, only capillary surface waves are possible, in the ocean - all sorts, including solitons.

[paul3390]

And as always - you are wrong. One can make an ASSUMPTION.. Not a conclusion at all. But - for you, apparently, the difference is inaccessible...

[paul3390]

Yes. A single one. On the scale of the entire country. Which won the greatest war and became a superpower. Your methodology is bad...

Besides, look around... What do you think - if you really cared about the fate of the country, would it be worth repeating those events? Or not?

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

Yes. Single. On a national scale. Which won the greatest war and became a superpower. Your methodology is bad...

Unit MSG to scale country.
Unit EBN on a scale country.
Unit Chubais on a scale country.
They are against the country (including 16 million members of the CPSU and 35 million Komsomol members).
And the superpower stands in an indecent pose, and it is torn to pieces

Quote: paul3390

What do you think - if you really cared about the fate of the country, would it be worth repeating those events? Or not?

I think that when they start cutting down forests in our country, they fly not chips..
Here was the case of 6 million defective 45 mm shells. Were all engineering and technical workers and plant management wreckers or were they just following the plan?
According to the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926, they all had to be shot - within the framework of the current law "An organized group of persons, by prior agreement, caused harm to the state and its defense capability." A real bouquet of articles...
Moreover, the evidence of sabotage is not unfounded, but 300% proven and documented by them themselves.
So what to do?

This particular Kuznetsov
"In April 1936, the director of the plant removed him from the position of head of the 3rd automatic machine shop for mixing of unusable parts IFV and 6 MD-8 detonators are suitable" -
Is he an enemy of the people, a saboteur or was he simply fulfilling a plan?

And in today's reality - local commentators would happily clap their hands - "Hooray, they put Korolev S.P. in jail!!! The bastard squandered government money!!! He sold the state crap!!"
Well, maybe there will be a different last name.

[Amateur]

So, either you have a really bad education or a bad conscience.

Mr. Shpakovsky is a candidate of historical sciences since 1988, associate professor since 1995. His education is quite sufficient.

[paul3390]

This is what scares me... The results lead to sad thoughts about the quality of education even back then... Not to mention today.

[kalibr]

Quote: paul3390

The results give rise to sad thoughts about the quality of education even at that time.

You can't even imagine, Pavel, what it meant at that time to teach the history of the CPSU in a higher school and take a candidate's exam in two exams. And you've already got "sad thoughts". Where did they come from? I would understand if you had worked as a teacher at a university for at least a year. But as it is...

[paul3390]

I can very well imagine... That's why I'm amazed by the results.

[kalibr]

Quote: paul3390

I can very well imagine it..

And how long have you been working at the Higher School? Maybe you are also an author of textbooks for universities? Or maybe we have already met, even, say, in Sochi, during this event? I remember my daughter and I received such a "paper" for a textbook there. And you, then, are also involved in this, right? I am always glad to meet a colleague!

[man]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: paul3390

I can very well imagine it..

And how long have you been working at the Higher School? Maybe you are also an author of textbooks for universities? Or maybe we have already met, even, say, in Sochi, during this event? I remember my daughter and I received such a "paper" for a textbook there. And you, then, are also involved in this, right? I am always glad to meet a colleague!

First you fooled people under socialism, and now you continue to do it under capitalism...

[man]

The results give rise to sad thoughts about the quality of education even at that time.
Wait a minute, you forgot to add the word "historical" to education.
The technical stuff was quite good, and most importantly, we were taught to think.

[Edward Vashchenko]

Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich,
The fact that people shot and are shooting is more a question, as it seems to me, of a psychological factor and mental stability, and not a feature of the 30s.
Recently, the vice-governor of the Leningrad region handled weapons carelessly... People are leaving the Investigative Committee building through the window...
In my humble opinion, here (to the formulation of the problem) the problem is still the psycho-emotional state of a person and society, and not vice versa.
It is significant that even in the late USSR there were more suicides than in Europe, 100 per 12,4 thousand, now 24,1 (5th place), but for comparison, France: 1,1 – 12.
Unstable and stable ethnopsychological basis, climate and pressure drops?
Heightened ethno-psycho-emotional perception?

[cpls22]

Quote: Edward Vashchenko

Unstable and stable ethnopsychological basis, climate and pressure drops?
Heightened ethno-psycho-emotional perception?

Most likely, the increase in the share of suicides in the death statistics depends on the general measuredness, averageness of life, which does not provide an outlet for the manifestation and satisfaction of ambitions. In extreme conditions for survival - suicide is rare. Such thoughts come later, when it becomes clear that what seemed achievable is no longer in sight. As for officials, the option with ambitions is also working here.

[Senior seaman]

And what else could you get kicked out of your job and out of the party for? 197 year? It turns out for correspondence with relatives abroad.

If our era, then for the connection with Christians
if - before, - then with the Macedonians))))
But seriously, in real life all sorts of things have happened...

[Gardamir]

Was it worth digging through the archives? When today is the same. They freeze without gas, then we trade with them ourselves.

[kalibr]

Quote: Gardamir

When today is the same.

That's exactly it. And now, thanks to digging in the archive, you know this absolutely for sure.

[man]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Gardamir

When today is the same.

That's exactly it. And now, thanks to digging in the archive, you know this absolutely for sure.

In order to know THIS, it is not at all necessary to dig through the archives

[kalibr]

Quote: mann

there is no need to dig through archives

Absolutely necessary. You can't use human memory as evidence, but a reference to a document from that era allows you to compare its content with the present on an evidentiary basis, to compare and contrast.

[man]

Quote: Gardamir

Was it worth digging through the archives? When today is the same. They freeze without gas, then we trade with them ourselves.

This is purely out of humanism.

[Sgt.]

Does anyone still read this author's libels? How can this even be published?

[kalibr]

Quote: Sergeant

Does anyone still read this author's libels? How can this even be published?

More than 6000 people have read it so far. Not bad at all. But there will be even more by the evening. Because who else will you see genuine archival documents, and not retellings by other authors without references to sources. This is our history and we should not brush it aside and close our eyes to its events.

[man]

Quote: Sergeant

Does anyone still read this author's libels?

Well, sometimes it happens when you want to spit...

[kalibr]

Quote: mann

Well, sometimes it happens when you want to spit...

The main thing is that you read and comment. That's the only benefit. What you put + or - doesn't matter.

[man]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: mann

Well, sometimes it happens when you want to spit...

The main thing is that you read and comment. That's the only benefit. What you put + or - doesn't matter.

Everyone has their own opinion about the country... about the era... Of course, the USSR had serious shortcomings, otherwise I wouldn’t have gone to the White House in August 1991.
The fact that the USSR also had colossal advantages I saw later, I simply could not imagine that they would disappear under capitalism...
You had a short period when you also mentioned them... without hiding the fact that you liked capitalism better... Well, people are different... it happens...
You didn't last long... It's all black stuff again...
I read mostly comments and for a long time refrained from judging... this time they got me...

[kalibr]

Quote: mann

It's all black stuff again...

This is not a dirty story, but documents of our history. Confirming that my words are not unfounded, but are based on facts. And there are many such documents, I physically cannot cite them all. I will say now that the creation of a new society in Russia was the greatest experiment in the history of all mankind, and honor and praise to us that we decided on it and achieved certain results. But for a number of objective reasons, the experiment ended in failure. And I wonder what these reasons are, where they came from, what can be used from the existing experience in the future. You yourself write - "there were serious shortcomings." And what is the point then in singing hosannas to the advantages, if the shortcomings ultimately outweighed them? So we need to understand what the root and root cause of these shortcomings is, why they were not noticed and eradicated in time. It is stupid to turn a blind eye to all this, as some commentators do here.

[man]

for a number of objective reasons the experiment failed. And I wonder what these reasons are, where they came from, what can be used from the existing experience in the future. You yourself write - "there were serious shortcomings". And what is the point then in singing hosannas to the advantages, if the shortcomings ultimately outweighed them?
You're distorting things again. Because even the advantages that remained then significantly outweighed the disadvantages! Only the overwhelming minority, of which you are a part, has gotten better, and you cannot help but understand this... The country is doomed, it is still only holding on thanks to Soviet nuclear weapons...their term will expire and they will start tearing it apart... Only a miracle can save her and you know it...

[kalibr]

Quote: mann

You're distorting things again Yes, because even the advantages that remained at that time significantly outweighed the disadvantages! It only got better for the overwhelming minority, of which you are a part, and you can't help but understand this... The country is doomed, it's only holding on thanks to Soviet nuclear weapons...their term will expire and they will start tearing it apart...only a miracle can save it and you know it...

You are writing nonsense. It has become better for everyone, it is just that not everyone understands it, because 80% of people in any society are stupid. There are also purely Soviet remnants and consequences - not to trust the authorities, who once deceived, and not to see positive changes around, to live in the past, where everything was good. On the one hand, this is bad. On the other hand, such people are very easy to control. And we do not need any miracle and we do not need to be saved from anyone. You write "the advantages outweighed the disadvantages". Then where did 91 come from? "They snuck in and destroyed" - for some of the 80%, this is an excellent argument. It is a pity that you are afraid to read my textbook for universities "Technologies of Public Opinion Management". You would understand a lot ...

[man]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: mann

Well, sometimes it happens when you want to spit...

The main thing is that you read and comment. That's the only benefit. What you put + or - doesn't matter.

You are frank in your cynicism...

[kalibr]

Quote: mann

You are frank in your cynicism...

This is not cynicism. This is the truth. You always accuse me of some kind of distortion, of deception. You simply do not understand, apparently, that in my position I do not need to deceive anyone, including you. Deception is always low, it humiliates the one who deceives more than the one who is deceived. Look how many sites reprint my materials. There are dozens of them! And the people there are no stupider than you. And they do not consider the information contained in them to be a deception. My books are read on all five continents. And so for some reason I will "distort" and deceive you in particular. It is funny. That is why I write the truth, even if you personally do not like it.

[KVU-NSVD]

And why in the photo "The Case... Started, Finished..." are the dates filled in by hand for 1937, but with typographic printing for 196...? Is the cover itself a replica?

[kalibr]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Is the cover itself a replica?

Of course it's new. It even says: Started in 196... That is, it was changed somewhere in the 60s... The archive constantly replaces worn-out covers and sometimes reprints the files themselves, because the thin paper they were made on can't stand it. The issues of PRAVDA have become so worn out over the years that the pages literally fall apart in your hands.

[Melior]

This means that something was cleaned up in the 60s.

[kalibr]

Quote: Melior

This means that something was cleaned up in the 60s.

Changing the cover is not an erasure. You can't imagine the complexity of such archival work, it was not at all like Orwell's "1984" at that time.

[Maks1995]

Well, we see how familiar it is.
Propagandists are still pulling the wool over people's eyes with impunity. (I especially remember the promises: the moon by 2015, Mars by 2019 - HE SAID IT)
And deaths. Navalny is dead. Prigozhin is dead. Strelkov is sitting. All of the elite are alive and untouchable. (both Sobchaks and Friedsmans)

[Doctor]

In my youth I went to the Ministry of Internal Affairs library, there was a huge archive of periodicals there.
Files of all newspapers, including Pravda, were stored by year, and no more than 4 years' worth were issued at a time.

The filing for 5 years was considered, like, secret, although this is funny.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Aviator_

This document is a purely historical document and was written by different authors approximately like a letter from Uncle Fyodor to the city from Prostokvashino.

It has little to do with real history and is, in general, pure plagiarism.

[BAI]

Moreover, having allowed such a suspicious person into the NKVD building, they did not even search him, and the whole time he was being interrogated there, he had a pistol with him. The note even states such a detail that he "had a little drink with his brother", but it does not say that he took the pistol from him. And there is no information that his brother had a weapon.

From this we can draw 2 conclusions:
1. The NKVD was very loyal to citizens and did not initially see them as enemies of the people.
2. The country was full of unaccounted weapons and constant vigilance, even suspicion, was necessary, although this contradicts point 1.

[Nord11]

As a rule, in 37, exclusion from the party and the label "enemy of the people", "saboteur" and "wrecker" was a sign that you were put on the waiting list for the firing squad or in a camp barracks. The NKVD decides when and where.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

So I read this article and I understand that V. Shpakovsky is conducting extremely harmful and subversive activities.

[kalibr]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

So I read this article and I understand that V. Shpakovsky is conducting extremely harmful and subversive activities.

Give me the address of the FSB for the Penza region or find it yourself on the Internet. Call me immediately, saying, I am a vigilant citizen... I have discovered... I demand that it be stopped immediately!!!

[Nord11]

The trouble with modern society is that it completely lacks ideology and morality. Even if building communism is a utopian goal, it is a goal. And today's "Get rich as you can" is not an ideology, it is a call for marauders.

[deddem]

Quote: anatolv

Comrade propagandists, as practice shows, are distinguished by enviable health and longevity! So he will still dance on your grave!

What's more, like the previous "comrades" propagandists, he will personally perform the funeral service in church.

[Jager]

It's curious that only two of the sheets presented have seals and signatures. The rest is just plain old garbage, which even I could type.