How the Soviet Union was broken

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How the Soviet Union was broken


counterrevolution


In 1987, when the program of radical reform of the Soviet state entered a decisive stage, Gorbachev defined this program:



Perestroika is a polysemantic, extremely capacious word. But if we choose the key one from its many possible synonyms, the one that most closely expresses its essence, then we can say this: perestroika is a revolution.

Thus, the top leadership of the country and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) saw the task not in gradual reform and modernization, but in change through the destruction of the old system.

It was a “revolution from above,” or more precisely, a counterrevolution., taking into account the fundamental anti-popular changes that took place in the country. The looming crisis of the USSR was resolved in favor of the nomenklatura, socially close groups. Breaking the previous political, socio-economic, national systems, way of life and culture of all citizens and peoples of the Soviet civilization.

At the same time, perestroika was part of a global conflict – the Third World War (the Cold War). In its development and use of the results, foreign political centers played an active and important role. The leaders of the collective West supported the idea of ​​convergence-merger of the two systems, inclusion of the Soviet top in the world elite. They flattered Gorbachev in every possible way, made him a wild advertisement, gave him a bunch of awards.

The completion of perestroika with the liquidation of the Warsaw Pact and the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA) and the dissolution of the USSR was seen in the West as a complete victory in the Cold War.

The driving force of perestroika was the union of different social groups: part of the party and state nomenklatura, which sought to resolve the crisis and maintain its position (even at the cost of changing ideology and destroying the USSR), and local and national elites joined it; a significant part of the intelligentsia, infected with cosmopolitanism, Western and liberal ideology (the ideals of freedom and democracy, images of “full shelves”); criminal layers, ethnic organized crime groups associated with the “shadow” economy.

All these social groups got everything they wanted. The shadow elite, the nomenklatura and the national elite received property and divided power, while the intelligentsia received freedom and “full shelves”.

The people experienced economic ruin, zones of inferno and civil war, the beginning of an era of socio-economic and cultural genocide, which caused the extinction of the Russian super-ethnos and most of the indigenous peoples of the Russian civilization.


General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee M. S. Gorbachev speaks at a press conference in the capital of Iceland, Reykjavik, during the Soviet-American summit. Iceland, Reykjavik. 1986

"Revolution in Consciousness"


The first stage of perestroika (before the direct dismantling of the Soviet state) was a “revolution in consciousness”, carried out in accordance with the theory of revolution of Antonio Gramsci (1891–1937, Italian philosopher, founder and leader of the Italian Communist Party and Marxist theorist; considered one of the founders of neo-Marxism).

This period was called glasnost. The social value of the principle of glasnost was first officially stated at the April plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU in 1985. At the XXVII Congress of the CPSU in February 1986, its main goal was seen as drawing people's attention to individual "shortcomings, weaknesses and gaps" in the existing economic system, with the aim of promptly eliminating them.

The word glasnost came into common use in 1987 as a designation for one of the key directions of liberal reforms in the country: "glasnost - perestroika - acceleration". At the same time, the slogans of the moment arose: "More glasnost! More democracy!" The formal beginning of the glasnost policy was laid at the 19th Conference of the CPSU in 1988.

Actually It was a major program to destroy the images, symbols and ideas that held together the cultural core of Soviet society, state and civilization.

This program was carried out with all the force of the state media, which ordinary citizens were accustomed to trusting. With all the authority of scientists, representatives of the creative intelligentsia, whom people trusted. At the same time, that part of the intelligentsia (conservatives, traditionalists-pochvenniks), which appealed to common sense, tried to criticize "glasnost - perestroika", was completely blocked. "Public dialogue" was also blocked, and the "reactionary majority" was not given a word. That is, glasnost was one-sided.

At the same time, for the sake of contrast, carefully selected, abridged and edited speeches were occasionally allowed, statements like the famous “letter from Nina Andreeva”: “I cannot compromise my principles” – a letter from Nina Andreeva, a teacher at the Leningrad Technological Institute, published in the newspaper “Soviet Russia” on March 13, 1988.

Not only Soviet symbols and heroes were subjected to denigration, but also pre-revolutionary ones. Up to Alexander Nevsky. In the style of the 20s, when Russian story.

To discredit the USSR, disasters (Chernobyl, the Admiral Nakhimov ship, etc.), various incidents (Rust's plane landing in Moscow) and bloodshed (Tbilisi, 1988, the pogrom in Baku, 1990, etc.) were intensively used. Plus interethnic clashes, which were organized, provoked, and then blamed on the center, the party, the army and the Russian "colonizers".

The widespread discussion of the infection of 20 children with AIDS in a hospital in the city of Elista in Kalmykia caused a great psychological shock. This case is indicative in that in the world and in the West there have been catastrophes, accidents, and incidents that were worse.

For example, at the same time in Paris they discovered that the National Blood Transfusion Service in France, buying up cheap blood from homeless people and drug addicts, infected 4 thousand people with AIDS. But the Soviet media kept silent about it. That is, they flaunted their own problems, and hushed up others'.

The so-called environmental movement carried out purely informational and ideological warfare tasks (as it does now). The media literally drove people to psychosis with their horror stories about the “nitrate boom,” the construction of nuclear power plants, etc. Soviet nuclear power plants were the safest and most advanced in the world, but Russia’s enemies were able to cover up a number of advanced, breakthrough developments in the peaceful nuclear energy sector.

A special type of information warfare were biased "public opinion polls". For example, the all-Union poll of 1989 "opinions on the level of nutrition". Thus, milk and dairy products in the USSR were consumed 358 kg per person per year. For comparison, in the "showcase of capitalism" of the USA - 263 kg per person per year. But in the polls 44% considered that they did not consume enough. In Armenia, there were 62% of such people, with consumption of 480 kg (noticeably higher than the all-Union level). In capitalist Spain at that time, they consumed 180 kg per person per year.

“Public opinion” was formed by the ideologists of perestroika and the media.

Eurocentrism


The informational and ideological core of perestroika was cosmopolitanism, Westernism, and Eurocentrism. The idea and worldview that European culture and history are central and superior to others. That Europe and Western civilization as a whole are the source of progress, development and universal values.

They say that Europe and the West are going along the "correct" high road. But Russia under the "Mongol" tsars and especially in the Soviet period (more precisely, under Stalin and Brezhnev) deviated from this path and fell far behind.

From this was deduced the concept of the need to return to the “correct” path, “to civilization,” “to the developed world,” and orientation toward “universal human values”The main obstacle on this path was the Soviet state, the Communist Party, socialism, and the main task was the liquidation of the “wrong” state.

As a result, In the USSR, almost all state institutions were denigrated and discredited, including the Academy of Sciences and the school. They threw mud at the state security forces, the army and the KGB with particular hatred.

Reforms of the state system


In order to increase chaos and facilitate the collapse of the USSR, in 1988, through the so-called constitutional reform, the structure of the supreme authorities and the electoral system were changed. A new supreme legislative body was established - the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, which elected from its members the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, the Chairman and the First Deputy Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.

Formally, the USSR Constitution with the amendments of 1988 and the new electoral law were less democratic than the Constitutions of 1936 and 1977. The elections of deputies were not entirely equal and direct. A third of the composition was elected in "public organizations", and by their delegates. In the districts, there were 230 thousand voters per mandate, and in "public organizations" - 21,6 voters (more than 10 thousand times less!).

The principle of "one person - one vote" was not observed during the elections. There were almost no workers or peasants among the deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, mainly administrative workers, scientists and journalists (intelligentsia).

In 1990, instead of the collegial system of supreme power that was usual for the Soviet state, the post of the President of the USSR was established with greater powers. The President of the USSR headed the Federation Council, which included the Vice President and the Presidents of the Republics. The President of the USSR was to be elected by direct elections, but for the first time he was elected by people's deputies, since in 1990 there was no hope that Gorbachev would win the presidential elections.

The Council of Ministers of the USSR was abolished and a new type of government was created – the Cabinet of Ministers of the USSR under the President with a lower status and narrower functions.

The 1990 Law "On the General Principles of Local Self-Government and Local Economy in the USSR" introduced the concept of "communal property" and determined that the economic basis of local councils consists of natural resources (land, water, forests, etc.) and property that serves as a source of income (enterprises and other objects). Councils entered into economic relations with them on a tax and contractual basis, received the right to set tax rates on profits, introduce local duties, taxes, fees, rent, etc.

This was an important step in the division of public property, the decentralization of power and the strengthening of local authorities.

To be continued ...
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  1. +11
    9 June 2025 04: 05
    All these social groups got everything they wanted. The shadow elite, the nomenklatura and the national elite received property and divided power, while the intelligentsia received freedom and “full shelves”.
    The people experienced economic ruin, zones of inferno and civil war, the beginning of an era of socio-economic and cultural genocide, which caused the extinction of the Russian super-ethnos and most of the indigenous peoples of the Russian civilization.

    "What they wanted" - those who started this criminal coup (whether through ignorance, stupidity, instigation, hatred and malice towards the socially just system with its mistakes and shortcomings, or due to a thieves' mentality) got it. The main part of the population, living by the principle: "those at the top know what is best", became witnesses to the destruction of a great country, thanks to their indifference.
    Today, it is no longer relevant to go over the nuances of this perestroika, but to draw conclusions about who benefits from the continuation of this shameful entity, in which miscalculations, mistakes and failures overshadow those small achievements that do not improve the situation, but are some kind of excuses and references to the fact that “everything is not as bad with us as the socialists say”...
    It is a strange situation when only one country in the world shared the hardships of the Soviet Military District with Russia. True, many guests came to the military parade, but if you look at the essence, this parade is the work of a generation of Soviet people, whose ideals and thoughts have been trampled into the dirt by the current elite, masking the visible symbols and attributes of the Soviet system with plywood shields and banners.
    So we are reaping what was given to us by the generous bourgeoisie, who show such excessive concern for the population that sometimes one is taken aback by the thought: “Where did you come from and why were you not recognized at the time when you swore to be honest and loyal...”
    1. +6
      9 June 2025 05: 21
      Quote: ROSS 42
      when you swore to be honest and loyal..."

      They swore allegiance to the Golden Calf...
      1. +5
        9 June 2025 07: 44
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        They swore allegiance to the Golden Calf...

        They bowed to the elephants and to the crystal in the sideboards. The bourgeoisie, the legacy of tsarist Russia, was never completely eradicated during the entire existence of the USSR and now it is cited as an excuse, like "this is the essence of the individual, nature. Man is weak."
        And since he is weak, it means he needs to be managed; “we are not slaves, we are not slaves” does not work under capitalism. wink
        1. -4
          9 June 2025 12: 18
          The perestroika generation always blames some stranger laughing
    2. +10
      9 June 2025 08: 20
      Quote: ROSS 42
      "What they wanted" - those who started this criminal coup got. The main part of the population - became witnesses of the destruction great country, thanks to his indifference

      Did the wishers come from Mars, just like the indifferent ones? No, they were born by the system itself.

      For the leadership, she was able to produce only... the marked ones, EBN, Kravchuks and Shevapnadzes - and this says everything about her
      .
    3. +5
      9 June 2025 09: 37
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Those who started it got what they wanted

      That's what I'm talking about. The shadow industry, as representatives of the creative industry, learned nothing and were simply eaten. The businessmen who came to power were not those who create and produce, but those who manipulate finances, or who are engaged in outright fraud.
  2. +9
    9 June 2025 05: 35
    Well, if the KGB was able to see even a small farce but was unable to discern not only the traitors Yakovlev and Gorbachev crawling to the heights of power, not to mention the small caliber of all sorts of Landzbergis in the republics, then with such an alliance of the CPSU and the KGB of the USSR, no country would have endured. By the way, the chairman of the KGB Andropov dragged Gorbachev into the Kremlin into power ...
    1. +8
      9 June 2025 05: 39
      I wonder how the communists and security officers could see their enemies in those who, for the sake of profit and career, pretended to be communists and their supporters for decades, and would have pretended until their death, if one of them, Gorbachev, had not come to power in the USSR?
      1. -3
        9 June 2025 07: 42
        Quote: tatra
        I wonder how the communists and security officers could see their enemies in those who, for the sake of profit and career, pretended to be communists and their supporters for decades, and would have pretended until their death, if one of them, Gorbachev, had not come to power in the USSR?

        if it was an unsolvable issue - maintaining the purity of its ranks, then the USSR would have ended sooner or later anyway... since one "enemy of the USSR" drags others along with him, and so on...
      2. 0
        9 June 2025 07: 48
        Quote: tatra
        I wonder how the communists and security officers could see their enemies in those who, for the sake of profit and career, pretended to be communists and their supporters for decades.

        It turns out to be a pun.
        Here's the thing, dear Irina - the communists and security officers themselves (their top brass) only pretended to be communists, and how could they see through those communists and security officers who pretended to be them? That is, what happens - some pretended, and others, such a vicious circle.
        Quote: tatra
        What if one of them, Gorbachev, hadn't reached power in the USSR?

        Gorbachev did not strive for power; he was smoothly and carefully brought to the very top by those very same communists and security officers.
        What else, it is impossible not to note that the topic of perestroika has become quite boring, as it seems to me, a short break is needed - there is no freshness, typical comments and the like.
        1. +1
          9 June 2025 08: 35
          This is stupidity. If all the communists and security officers in the USSR had only pretended to be them, then you, the enemies of the communists, even before your "Liberator" Gorbachev, would have captured the USSR.
          1. +1
            10 June 2025 06: 23
            Quote: tatra
            .... you, the enemies of the communists, even before your “Liberator” Gorbachev, would have captured the USSR.

            And who exactly here called Gorbachev a liberator? It must be the VOICES whispering or shouting
            1. -4
              10 June 2025 06: 26
              Ha, everything I write about you, enemies of the USSR, you have proven about yourselves. It was you who chanted in unison "Gorbachev gave us freedom", and in the line to say goodbye to Gorbachev, when people were asked why they were for him, everyone just kept repeating "he gave us freedom".
              1. +1
                10 June 2025 07: 24
                Quote: tatra
                ..... they chanted in unison "Gorbachev gave us freedom", and in the line to say goodbye to Gorbachev, when people were asked why they were for him, everyone just kept repeating "he gave us freedom".

                Where this lie came from is unclear. Visions and voices.
                1. -5
                  10 June 2025 07: 36
                  You, enemies of the USSR, are incorrigible, you lie about others, and even about what you yourselves have done, said and written.
                  Better not write to me anymore, I will not communicate with you. You are just a bot.
                  1. +2
                    10 June 2025 08: 38
                    I am not writing to you, but for everyone. I was born in 1985. My grandparents were teachers of the History of the CPSU and Marxism-Leninism. Then my grandmother at the LNPO Positron. A liberated party employee. Until their death, everyone was for the USSR. My parents are geologists. My mother has northern experience. Although from Leningrad.
                    And I am disgusted that you are accusing people you don't know, mainly military or scientific and technical employees. You called the 90s a revolution, I wrote a counter-revolution.
                    Grandfather went to war at 16, has awards, all older relatives fought. And what do you say? Or again voices about enemies. Why didn't they stigmatize cooperators? Or Gorbachev with EBN, while they were alive.. Or don't you expose writers and artists?
        2. +9
          9 June 2025 08: 36
          I wonder how long liberals will continue to equate the concepts of communist and member of the CPSU? what I understand that this is very convenient to the point of spitting on the communist idea itself, but it’s a lie. belay
          1. +1
            9 June 2025 08: 43
            To infinity, because the fear of the slightest responsibility for what they did is in the mentality of all the enemies of the communists, including those of them who, under the communists’ rule, pretended to be communists and their supporters.
            Hence, including, “The Tsar is good, but the boyars are bad.”
          2. +2
            9 June 2025 10: 12
            Quote: paul3390
            I understand that this is very convenient to the point of spitting on the communist idea itself, but it’s a lie.
            Until then, Pavel, until the very possibility of careerism in the ranks of the communists is nipped in the bud. The appearance and essence of the inverts in the photo.
            1. +5
              9 June 2025 10: 21
              It should not have existed from the very beginning. At least, that was the idea of ​​the founders. But after the October Revolution, the Bolsheviks faced a certain problem. An acute shortage of competent personnel in all areas. The Russian Empire, no matter how much some bruised citizens sang its praises, did not suffer from their excess. And it was necessary to attract to management characters who were not at all imbued with communist ideas. And the party had to take on functions that were not originally planned for it.
              It was considered temporary, until they managed to prepare their own, ideological cadres. And they did manage to prepare them, and at an accelerated pace! But then there was the war... And they all died then, in 41-45... They were the ones who had to implement Soviet power at all levels. They were the ones who had to, if not remove, then strictly control the nomenklatura. But since they really were the most ideological, honest and devoted, they were the ones who were the first to rush under tanks with a grenade. Considering it their sacred duty to defend the socialist Fatherland at any cost.

              And without them, both control and the power of the Soviets became impossible. It turned out to be unrealistic to prepare new ones within a reasonable time frame, and the nomenklatura gained unprecedented strength. Then turning it to the destruction of the Union and the seizure of public property.

              So - when they claim that the collapse of the USSR was supposedly inevitable from the start - they are lying. If it weren't for the Great Patriotic War - everything could have been completely different. Comrade Stalin rightly postulated: PERSONNEL DECIDES EVERYTHING!
              1. +7
                9 June 2025 10: 31
                Quote: paul3390
                An acute shortage of qualified personnel in all areas.
                Many of the tsarist specialists were decent people and patriots of Russia. The point is that not everyone should have been accepted into the party. Better fewer, but better... Where did so many members come from who quickly became former members, and where was the brain of the party, that is the question.
                1. +2
                  9 June 2025 10: 39
                  Nobody argues. But here - it is not enough to just be a decent person.. You also need to accept a new ideology and new principles of management. And this is difficult for many.

                  Exactly. Remember - it was not in vain, oh it was not in vain that the party was purged before the war. And Lenin wrote correctly - the party cannot be big, it should only have the best and the most ideological...

                  But after the establishment of the power of the nomenklatura, everything went its natural way. For any bureaucracy always strives to expand its zone of influence. And the party one was no exception. And how can it expand its zone? Only by a total expansion of the number of characters directly subordinate to it! That is, members of the CPSU. With all the ensuing consequences.
                2. +3
                  9 June 2025 11: 11
                  Quote: Per se.
                  ........Many of the tsarist specialists were decent people and patriots of Russia........

                  Yes. And almost all of them died in 1917, not from the Bolsheviks or anarchists, and not from foreign spies, but from ordinary punks, when the provisional government headed by Kerensky liquidated the police!
                  1. 0
                    10 June 2025 18: 54
                    And almost all of them died in 1917,
                    Dmitry, where do you get such fantasies? Yes, there was a rampant banditry, but later, and it affected all layers of the population. And the specialists worked, both under Kerensky and under Lenin, and the dissatisfied ones ran away abroad.
                    1. +1
                      10 June 2025 21: 40
                      I meant the police specifically. There was a program that after February specifically criminals killed who they knew and found. Then the Bolsheviks took measures
                      1. +1
                        10 June 2025 21: 57
                        I meant the police specifically.
                        Be more specific, I thought you were talking about technical and financial specialists. Well, the policemen got it back then, and not only from the punks, but also from the common people - only 1905 years have passed since 12.
                      2. +1
                        10 June 2025 22: 01
                        In general, in difficult times for the country, crime becomes more active. That was then, that after the Great Patriotic War, that in the 90s.
                      3. +1
                        10 June 2025 22: 30
                        It is not the criminals that are becoming more active, it is the state forces that are being directed towards other goals, thereby weakening the pressure on the criminals. And it is always necessary to suppress them, otherwise they will eat you up.
              2. +1
                9 June 2025 11: 47
                Quote: paul3390
                And all of them - lay down then, in 41-45... It was they who were supposed to implement Soviet power at all levels.

                Sometimes I am visited by crazy thoughts in which I solve questions: could any of the current "United Russia" members not renounce their ideals, standing in the cold under a stream of cold water, like D. M. Karbyshev; would they direct their burning plane into a column of enemy equipment, like N. F. Gastello...
                And that's it...Further, all the moral principles of these liberals and their life principles crumble like a house of cards.
                1. +2
                  9 June 2025 11: 52
                  No, it's just that all the previous concepts are being replaced by one single thing - money. The possession of which will allow one to realize and cherish the basest human inclinations. After all, being a Human is very difficult and troublesome, but being a beast is so easy and pleasant...

                  It was precisely Humans that the Soviet government desperately tried to make us. And it is for this reason that it is so fiercely hated by those who believe that cattle is a natural state of being.
                  1. +3
                    9 June 2025 14: 22
                    Quote: paul3390
                    It was precisely Humans that the Soviet government desperately tried to make us.

                    and what happened? judging by everything, not very much...
                    Quote: paul3390
                    And it is for this reason that she is so fiercely hated by those who believe that being a beast is a natural state of being.

                    For example, I am neutral about the USSR, because I don't know how the Soviet power affected people - I was too young.. but as a person of the next - post-Soviet generation, I don't understand why I should hate something that no longer exists? and in the end - the Humans didn't turn out to be mass at all, and the cattle didn't go anywhere.. this is practice, fact, reality.. the rest is theory.. so it was good under the USSR, but according to the results of the experiment - "the ward died".. and, even if many don't like it, it remains a fact..
                    1. +2
                      9 June 2025 14: 52
                      and what happened? judging by everything, not very much...

                      Well, why not? I personally know quite a lot of truly Soviet people. And you know, I am proud that I had the chance to be acquainted with them. Another thing is that for various reasons it was not possible to educate them in the quantity necessary for the further development of socialism. But this is something that can be acquired.

                      As for the dead - you shouldn't be so categorical. Look at history - how many centuries did it take for capitalism to replace feudalism? How many feudal restorations were there? That's it.. The USSR was the FIRST experience in human history. And you want it to immediately become planetary. It doesn't happen that way.

                      Lenin wrote for a reason - the path to communism will be very long, revolutions and counter-revolutions, ebbs and flows are inevitable. It has always been like that. Alas - we have had to live in the era of counter-revolution, but this does not mean that development has stopped there!
                      1. +2
                        9 June 2025 14: 59
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Well, why not? I personally know quite a lot of truly Soviet people. And you know, I'm proud that I had the chance to be acquainted with them.

                        so I don't deny that they existed at all, that's why I wrote it
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                        Quote: paul3390
                        Regarding the death, there is no need to be so categorical.

                        Well, it's like this country no longer exists for 35 years now.
                        Quote: paul3390
                        The USSR was the FIRST experience in the history of mankind.

                        Well, these are pure hopes and theories... just faith in something... you can believe in anything - for example, I don't believe in the return of the USSR, but I believe in many of the postulates of globalists governing the world... that the USSR came about - by and large - the Bolsheviks and Lenin were lucky - they were in the right place at the right time and a huge bunch of other things coincided... it's very unlikely, although it's possible of course that "all the stars will align" again...
                      2. -3
                        9 June 2025 15: 07
                        No, it was the enemies of the USSR who were lucky enough to seize the State at the expense of what was created, produced, and built, in which they have been parasitizing and enriching themselves for all 33 years.
                        And from their highly paid “work” there is only harm and losses to the country and the people, and huge sacrifices of the people.
                      3. -1
                        9 June 2025 15: 38
                        That is, you reject Lenin’s thesis about a revolutionary situation? what

                        But in general, it’s a funny position to write off the creation of one of the two planetary superpowers as pure luck... laughing
                      4. +2
                        9 June 2025 15: 53
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Do you reject Lenin's thesis about a revolutionary situation?

                        and why shouldn't I reject him? his theory about a state where "new people" will grow up en masse - didn't work, the country which was based on the covenants - fell apart... for you he is a dogma, but for me he is a philosopher-theorist of the last century...
                        Quote: paul3390
                        But in general, it’s a funny position to write off the creation of one of the two planetary superpowers as pure luck...

                        let's put it this way.. did the Bolsheviks do it so that the provisional government would shit itself? well, you have to admit - no.. in general, the revolution - Lenin? also not at all exclusively his merit.. is this not luck? calculation? absolutely not...
                      5. +2
                        9 June 2025 16: 12
                        No - it's just phenomenal! I bow down.. To claim that the creators of a superpower were wrong practically out of nowhere - that's really a big deal... You say they couldn't educate people? And who then won the Great Patriotic War, created a nuclear bomb and were the first to fly into space? Mercenary Americans or something??

                        Hmm... That is, you do not recognize the objectivity of conditions caused by historical processes? Well, then there really is nothing to discuss... The entire history of mankind is simply a stupid series of accidents...
                      6. +2
                        9 June 2025 16: 34
                        Quote: paul3390
                        the creators of the superpower made mistakes almost out of nowhere - this is really a big...

                        and how then did the USSR end up being the only country in history that dissolved itself at the behest of these very "communists" who were raised by the very same communists (normal ones) who won the Great Patriotic War?
                        Quote: paul3390
                        You don't recognize the objectivity of conditions caused by historical processes?

                        listen, you can tell us the facts... 1. The February revolution is not the merit of the Bolsheviks exclusively, or rather to a lesser extent the Bolsheviks than the others... moreover, there are noticeably fewer of them than the Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, 100 against 500, as I recall, at the Congress of Soviets. Am I not right? How is that not luck or a coincidence?
                        2. The fact that the Provisional Government was unable to improve life - is it also the merit of the Bolsheviks? or of them? Then other questions arise and about who plunged the country into the Civil War too... i.e. the inability of the Provisional Government - what does it have to do with the actions of the Bolsheviks? This is luck, otherwise there would be no VOR..
                        3.
                        Quote: paul3390
                        You say you couldn't educate people?

                        in exactly the same way, people brought up in this way destroyed and sold the country in the 90s - isn't that right? I repeat, some new people emerged, but without mass participation, there is no point in it, and mass participation did not work out.
                        Quote: paul3390
                        To claim that the creators of the superpower were mistaken almost out of nowhere is really a big...

                        let's be completely honest, Lenin did not create a superpower - it was created by Stalin and not exclusively according to the precepts of Ilyich.. Lenin created the October Revolution, taking advantage of the circumstances.. he has a conditional relation to further development (rather declarative), because purely according to the precepts - I think it would not have been possible to act, since they are a concept, but not a guide to action.. but these are already nuances - who created - we seem to have started talking about who destroyed hi
                      7. 0
                        10 June 2025 14: 18
                        You are a strange person. What - is this case unique in history?

                        Take the French Revolution - all the brave ones, well, who survived, the Jacobins and revolutionary generals, after only 10 years, completely calmly became imperial marshals and peers of France... And Bernadotte - aaaand the Swedish king!!

                        Take the English Revolution - TWO years after Cromwell's death, Charles II was solemnly invited to the throne. The same characters who had bullied his father.

                        And so on and so forth...
                      8. +2
                        10 June 2025 13: 49
                        Quote: paul3390
                        No - it's just phenomenal! I bow down.. To claim that the creators of a superpower were wrong practically out of nowhere - that's really a big deal... You say they couldn't educate people? And who then won the Great Patriotic War, created a nuclear bomb and was the first to fly into space? ......

                        In the comments to one of Vyacheslav Olegovich's articles, I was surprised at how quickly the Bolsheviks were able to explain to the population what they were proposing. And literally from the first days, people saw the implementation of this program. An ideology was quickly created, which was shared by the majority. With that technology. Opportunities were used. There was a Victory in the Civil War. Which is also surprising given the size of the country, the lack of everything and those means of communication. Many remarkable things were created before the war.
            2. +1
              9 June 2025 12: 02
              How so? Do you know the methods? Don't you think that other people think differently?
            3. +2
              9 June 2025 12: 42
              Even the Great Mao compared Khrushchev to a radish - "red on the outside, white on the inside". ))) My grandfather told me about this in about 86. And translated it to Gorbachev. At the same time, it's even strange that I remembered it then. After all, I was only 14 years old and politics interested me much less than the intensively growing secondary sexual characteristics of my classmates))))
              1. +2
                9 June 2025 12: 43
                It was Stalin who compared Mao to a radish.
          3. +2
            9 June 2025 11: 36
            Again, the liberals are to blame for the fact that two communists always have the same enemy. Tell me, who was the real communist, Stalin or Beria. One of them must definitely be the enemy of the communists?
            And so the matter is not in the communists, but in man in his imperfections and vices such as dependency, jealousy, thirst for power, glory, personal hostility, etc. And the second point is inequality from birth, unfortunately all people are already born in unequal conditions and it does not matter what kind of state system.
            1. +1
              9 June 2025 11: 43
              That is, you think that it is useless for a person to work on himself, on the contrary, he should cultivate all these qualities in himself? Because only they contribute to the achievement of the goal of each individual's existence - the acquisition of money at any cost?
              And Fukuyama was right - liberal capitalism is like the end of history, because it is the crowning achievement of human society?
              1. +4
                9 June 2025 12: 37
                That is, you think that it is useless for a person to work on himself, on the contrary, he needs to cultivate all these qualities in himself?


                Did I write such a thing? I think that socialism or some subspecies of it has a rather distant future, but it is definitely the future. And now, unfortunately, capitalism fits the current human society most optimally.
      3. +8
        9 June 2025 08: 47
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote: tatra
        I wonder how the communists and the Chekists could see their enemies...

        They got a good look at their enemies.

        The 20th Congress of the CPSU quite specifically defined the enemy - "exposed" the cult of Stalin's personality, which they themselves had created during his lifetime. This was followed by a purge of Bolsheviks in the party, in the power structures (KGB, army, police, etc.) of the authorities and in production - in the national economy... At the same time, the "vacated" positions were occupied by party members, but by mentality - Trotskyites-Vlasovites...

        It was Andropov who sent young reformers to Switzerland to improve their skills in destroying the USSR.

        Khrushchev's "perestroika" did not work out with his hasty executions of workers, but he succeeded in removing the people from governance (by holding closed party meetings), and thanks to this he carried out a "purge" of the party...

        They took a different path. Brezhnev weaned the people off work and got them drunk. The leaders of the republics gained more and more independence. During perestroika, they wanted to become presidents themselves...

        Gorbachev, Yeltsin - they hammered the last nail into the coffin.

        To understand why perestroika “happened,” one must understand that it was a consistent, targeted effort over 40 years aimed at destroying the USSR.
        1. +8
          9 June 2025 10: 05
          Quote: Boris55
          that this was a consistent, targeted effort over 40 years aimed at destroying the USSR.

          Boris Leontyevich, the West never needed a strong Russia, neither with the Tsar, nor with the Communists, nor with the Democrats. This has never stopped, and will never stop, they have been goats and will continue to be goats. The Empire with Nicholas II was dragged under England, with the good gold standard imposed by Witte, instead of the silver ruble under Alexander III. That is why, despite England's sponsorship of Japan, pitting them in the Russo-Japanese War, which the autocracy lost, Russia harnessed itself to the Entente, taking out loans. Everything would have worked out for the Anglo-Saxons after the pro-Western February, but the Bolsheviks appeared, who saved the country from the Chubais and Gaidars of that era, built a superpower, the USSR. Gorbachev lost to the West, destroyed the Union, proving to be even more incompetent and weak-willed than the last autocrat.
          You have outlined the projects for the destruction of the Soviet Union well below. Only, with the last phase, when the discrediting of capitalism by an alcoholic, an "elephant in a china shop" became intolerable, the "successor" scheme, "rising from the knees", with fireworks and holidays, took place. The apotheosis, the conflict between Russia and "anti-Russia". It was brilliantly played out, of all the stupid and harmful things that could have been done, so it was done for Russia with the wasted trump cards in 2014 and eight years of chewing snot, while pumping up Ukrainian Nazis and purging pro-Russian forces in Ukraine. Now, "grinding", three years of frontal assaults, the devastation of our warehouses and arsenals, the loss of our men at the front. The States, which started the whole mess, suddenly became overseas "peacekeepers", and new cannon fodder is maturing in Europe for the final bleeding of Russia, and its surrender to a shameful agreement, the liquidation of our last and main trump card, the Strategic Nuclear Forces, which must fall under external control under reconciliation with the West. It is not possible to defeat a mobilized Europe and the Nazis in Ukraine by conventional means, but the oligarchs will not agree to bomb their accounts, apartments, yachts with a "nuclear babe", that is not why the USSR was destroyed and billions stolen.
          Yes, we cannot win without Bolshevism, but not with those who believe that the USSR only made “galoshes,” and that Marxism-Leninism is a dangerous and harmful fairy tale.
          1. -3
            9 June 2025 10: 48
            Quote: Per se.
            but the oligarchs won't agree to bomb their accounts, apartments, yachts with a "hot babe"

            No one will ask them. Putin has demonstrated more than once that he has iron Faberge. It is not oligarchs who are behind the buttons of the Strategic Nuclear Forces and the order of the commander in chief will be carried out.

            The West measures Russia's strength by the oligarchs, which are all in their banks, but, as before, they will get a thrashing from the people, whom they do not take into account.

            Under the tsars, Russia supplied Europe mainly with food. With the construction of railways, natural resources in the depths of Russia became accessible. Their appetites grew. During perestroika, they gained full access to them. With the arrival of Putin, this tap is closed and the more it is turned off, the more aggressive their intentions.

            Unlike Putin, the West carried Gorbachev and Yeltsin in their arms. They offered to carry Putin out of the Kremlin either in rapturous arms or on a gun carriage... They even offered him the post of UN Secretary General...
            1. +7
              9 June 2025 12: 09
              Quote: Boris55
              Unlike Putin, the West carried Gorbachev and Yeltsin in its arms.
              I didn't want to argue with you, but I would like to understand... Has the essence changed much after Yeltsin? Of course, Boris Nikolayevich did not frown on the bridge of a submarine, did not dive for an amphora, and did not fly with cranes, such blatant PR was not observed. He was an ordinary renegade who betrayed the party, and even banned it for a year. But he was not from Sobchak's counter-team, a protégé of the traitor and thief Chubais, he did not say one thing and do another. It was not under him that the retirement age was raised and they joined the same MOM, for the import of migrants from Central Asia. Finally, he was not a KGB officer, and this is even more than just being a member of the CPSU. It can also be noted that against the background of Yeltsin, as he openly disgraced Russia, anyone would have seemed a genius, and, especially, with the inflated image, the stretching of ratings and the open PR of achievements. Duty and immediate responsibility, this is not a great favor to the people and not feats in the "galley".
              Who is our Central Bank under, you say, not under the IMF/Fed? The Central Bank officials assure us of this, but the essence has not changed. Our oligarchs have been moving assets abroad, and they continue to do so, and the Central Bank is lending to its economy so much that it doesn’t need enemies, at such interest rates.
              The cherry on the cake is the SVO, read the fiery speech at the beginning, and compare it with reality... It seems that the West should not only, and not so much, carry Yeltsin or Gorbachev in its arms. Personally, I like your faith, let's say, if, of course, it is sincere, and not "such a job", there are many online claqueurs and thematic "firewalls" from the bourgeois authorities here, but, I think, time will show how right someone is in their assessments, or, as Gorbachev said, "who is who". The hard times will not allow us to lie and pretend any longer.
      4. +5
        9 June 2025 09: 27
        Quote: tatra
        I wonder how the communists and security officers could see their enemies in those who, for the sake of profit and career, pretended to be communists and their supporters for decades, and would pretend to be until their death...

        The communists and security officers were not naive children. Some of them remembered WW1, the Revolution, industrialization. They had to discern it due to their official duties. And due to their special party education. After all, there were "purges" of the nomenklatura. They examined it. There were social elevators. But when Khrushchev began to fight against the deceased Stalin, the social elevators ceased. The nomenklatura began to dream of property and wealth, to bequeath to their children. And the children of the nomenklatura began to receive specialties accordingly. For enrichment and trips abroad. Don't you really know?
        1. -2
          9 June 2025 09: 29
          Well, explain how the communists could see their enemies in Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who for 30 years pretended to be “loyal communists”, “with firm conviction in their voices” saying the same things as the communists?
          1. +3
            9 June 2025 09: 47
            The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

            Quote: tatra
            Well, explain how the communists could see their enemies in Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

            No way - they were NOT enemies to them. They were their own (see my post above).

            As a result of perestroika, the leaders of the republics became presidents - respected people all over the world, with their own planes and all the other bells and whistles. The first secretaries received regions and districts to feed. Even the cleaning lady of the district committee received a paid toilet...

            I won’t write about two Volgas from Chubais and two barrels of gasoline for each Volga from Glazyev.
          2. 0
            9 June 2025 11: 43
            Quote: tatra
            Well, explain how the communists could see their enemies in Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who pretended to be “loyal communists” for 30 years, ......
            some simple communists saw it. But it was not accepted out loud. But in the organs ---- they should have noticed, because special theoretical classes were held for all levels of party workers, special literature was mocked ...... After all, the ideological struggle, it theoretically continued ..... After all, everything was known about Gorbachev's behavior. To those at the top. For what merits he rose. And EBN also had a slow career growth and drunkenness.
        2. +1
          9 June 2025 10: 34
          For enrichment and travel abroad.
          Dmitry, in my first year (1972) I was struck by the words of our track and field coach, Alexander Ivanovich Polunin. He told us then that the Stalin era in sports was over. The athletes' highest dream was to get into the USSR national team in order to go to international competitions and bring back stuff for black marketeering. He told us this in 1972, but it probably started in the 60s.
          1. 0
            9 June 2025 11: 52
            Quote: Aviator_
            ......(1972) the words of our track and field coach were striking, ......... the Stalin era in sports was over. The athletes' highest dream was to get into the USSR national team in order to go to international competitions and bring back stuff for black marketeering. He told us this in 1972, but it probably started in the 60s.

            Of course, someone saw and understood, but they didn't say it out loud. They thought that whoever needed to would figure it out. After all, there were exposures of trade workers and their imprisonment for 3 years. I communicated with such a group of pensioners at work. And you know, the socialism of trade workers was very different from the socialism of other professions.
            And what about Andropov's time? In our city, people were detained in stores. They thought that the top brass were watching too.
            1. +1
              9 June 2025 11: 53
              After all, there were then revelations of trade workers and their imprisonment for 3 years.
              In the "Yeliseevsky" and "Ocean" cases, the main ones were executed. This was in the 70s.
              1. +1
                9 June 2025 12: 07
                Hello Sergey Ivanovich hi Sorry, I read and answer with short breaks and greeted you only mentally wink ,
                You see, I've been to Yeliseyevsky several times, to look at the interior. Somehow I never read about these things, I kept putting it off... and I talked to retired former trade workers myself. But not yesterday either. They've probably died already. They'd be 85-100 years old now.
                1. 0
                  9 June 2025 12: 27
                  In Moscow and St. Petersburg there were two absolutely identical Eliseevsky stores. The wine department in the St. Petersburg store was on Rakova Street. The traders "fought for their rights" en masse. So in Zhukovsky, when I arrived there in the fall of 1972, the main grocery store No. 30 worked until 22 p.m., and a couple of years later - until 21 p.m. There were no XNUMX-hour stores at all, according to rumors, there were a couple of such stores in Moscow.
                  1. 0
                    9 June 2025 13: 24
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    ...... There were no 24-hour stores at all, according to rumors, there were a couple of such stores in Moscow.

                    Yes, so already at the turn of the century a generation appeared that did not believe that if at night you suddenly wanted to buy something to drink or eat at 2-3 in the morning, then there was nowhere to buy it.
                    Is it really true? What to do?

                    After all, 90-hour kiosks appeared first. In the early XNUMXs. We had them right around our house.
                    1. -1
                      9 June 2025 14: 10
                      After all, 90-hour kiosks appeared first. In the early XNUMXs.
                      Yes, that's right. Small private owners have filled the niche of 24-hour stores.
                      1. +1
                        9 June 2025 20: 43
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ..... Small private owners filled the niche of 24-hour stores.
                        There was chaos and all sorts of violations. It's indecent to say. And the bread wasn't in individual packages. How else did the buyers not get infected with something? And there was also some kind of alcohol in a small plastic bag. I forgot the name. That's also wrong. And they drank right on the street. This was during my school years. And at first they sold tonics to children. Then they banned it, though.
          2. +1
            9 June 2025 18: 31
            The athletes' ultimate dream was to get into the USSR national team in order to travel to international competitions and bring back junk for black marketeering.

            Oh, how easy it turns out to be to open the box! You completely dismiss the sports component, right? The main thing is to go, fill your suitcases with clothes, *wink* at customs and that's it? I wonder, where then, may I ask, did the gold, silver, and bronze at the Olympics and World Championships come from? Did it come from a curve? Where did the serious fights between our hockey players and the Czechs come from (please don't remember '68), where did those same tears of joy on Rodnina's face come from??? Not everything is so simple and by no means rests on the notorious humodans with clothes, pride for one's country also took place. That's how it is.
            1. +1
              9 June 2025 18: 37
              where do those same tears of joy on the face of the Motherland come from???
              Well, Rodnina actually didn't know how to do anything else except dance beautifully on the ice. And her "pride for the country" quickly converted into American real estate. And in the Duma, she and Valka Tereshkova are two peas in a pod. I mean, neither Kuts, nor the Bolotnikov brothers, nor Vorobyov (weightlifter, former rector of the Malakhov Institute of Physical Education) - no one brought junk from there to sell. And Rodnina, I suppose, did the same back then. And then she got what was hers, she didn't waste her time on trifles.
              1. +2
                9 June 2025 18: 49
                And Rodnina too

                I'm talking specifically about THAT time! I know very well what some of the Great, truly Great athletes turned into.
                Well, Rodnina actually didn’t know how to do anything else except dance beautifully on the ice.

                What else was she supposed to do if she was a figure skater? laughing
                Nobody brought junk from there to sell. And I suppose Rodnina didn't either.

                Many carried it, the overwhelming majority. Why? Well, you yourself know the reason very well. bully
                1. -2
                  9 June 2025 20: 36
                  Many were carrying it, the overwhelming majority.
                  Well, there you go, you answered it yourself. Why did you object to my original post? I think that if Rodnina's overseas property were confiscated now, her tears would be bigger than during the USSR and more sincere.
                  1. 0
                    9 June 2025 20: 40
                    Well, there you go, I answered it myself,

                    Yes, it was just a *bonus* from the state!!! The goals were by no means to go for clothes.
                    property, then her tears will be larger than during the Soviet era and more sincere.

                    Talk about those times! What does her current foreign real estate have to do with it?
                    1. +1
                      11 June 2025 22: 25
                      Talk about those times!
                      Phil, back then there was a slogan: "Freedom for Korvolan and Ivan Dvorny!" Ivan Dvorny, a member of the USSR national basketball team, went to jail for black marketeering. Who is Korvolan - look it up on the Internet if you don't know.
                      1. +1
                        12 June 2025 07: 16
                        Ivan Dvorny

                        Well, he spent a little time in *chemistry*, got out on parole, then continued playing. The guy just got under the stream.
                        Who is Corvolan? Look it up on the Internet if you don't know.

                        I probably look a lot like an idiot, don't I? bully Ask the younger generation questions like these, okay?
                        *Exchanged the hooligan for Luis Corvolan*. And in general - *Freedom for Angela Davis!* Not at all from *Brother 2*. laughing
                      2. +1
                        12 June 2025 09: 29
                        By the way, do you know what Angela was in prison for? Someone was shot with her revolver. In the end, the defense acquitted her. They recently showed an interview with her - a lively black old lady. When asked why she came to the USSR but never to Russia, she answered: have I never seen capitalism? Why should I come to you and look at it?
                      3. 0
                        12 June 2025 10: 24
                        Why come to you and look at it?

                        And this is said by a completely respectable professor from the University of California? laughing
                        Someone was shot with her revolver. In the end, the defense acquitted her.

                        Well, yes, she bought a revolver (supposedly), gave it to her friends from the *Black Panthers* to use out of friendship, for a while, and then she, bam, went to jail for 16 months! But? The American legal profession is strong!
                        *well, and then at the Kanatchikov dacha, where, unfortunately, the service is intrusive. Even in my delirium, I kept watching programs where I stood up for Angela Davis.*Vysotsky V.S.
      5. +1
        10 June 2025 11: 28
        Quote: tatra
        I wonder how the communists could security officers(????!!!) belay see your enemies in those who, for the sake of profit and career, have been fighting for decades pretended(!!) communists and their supporters, and would have pretended to be so until their death, if one of them, Gorbachev, had not come to power in the USSR?

        - if you - by chance probably!!!! - don't know then MAIN the task of the Cheka/OGPU/NKVD/KGB has always been to search HIDDEN(!!!) enemies.
        If they were unable
        Quote: tatra
        to see your enemies in those who, for the sake of profit and career, have been pretending for decades
        - the KGB is not even a herd of sheep, but of saigas (they are even dumber than sheep).
        And they were paid salaries in vain, and medals were hung on them for nothing...
        They were unable to protect not only the people (who had not said a word to anyone at that point) - but themselves and their power.
    2. +3
      9 June 2025 09: 38
      Quote: north 2
      By the way, KGB Chairman Andropov dragged Gorbachev into power in the Kremlin.

      I was always interested in Andropov's role in the collapse of the USSR. He brought in too many people who destroyed the country. And his department somehow suspiciously slept through it all.
      1. -5
        9 June 2025 09: 49
        Andropov's short reign is radically different from what Gorbachev did. Andropov had "strengthening labor discipline," a large-scale fight against corruption, while Gorbachev had chaos, freedom for criminals - from embezzlers to bandits and separatists.
        1. +4
          9 June 2025 09: 54
          I don't remember any changes during Andropov's reign concerning the deficit or any changes in the quality of life in general. People were caught, I saw checks, but nothing more. Everything Andropov did was superficial, he didn't touch on the deep problems of the USSR crisis. And his investigations were conducted only on certain groups, and again didn't go beyond certain people. Maybe if he had lived longer, something would have changed, but his people started to dump everything too quickly.
          1. -4
            9 June 2025 10: 03
            Well, Andropov ruled for only a little over a year, half of which he spent in the hospital, but I wrote about the fundamental difference between the rule of Andropov and Gorbachev.
            And blaming Andropov for what Gorbachev did is like blaming Alexander III for the fact that Nicholas II ruined the Empire.
            1. +3
              9 June 2025 10: 06
              Quote: tatra
              And blaming Andropov for what Gorbachev did is like blaming Alexander III for the fact that Nicholas II ruined the Empire.

              And why not. Both, with seemingly strong power, were unable to raise a successor. It's like, in your opinion, parents should not be responsible for their children, but that's not true.
              1. -5
                9 June 2025 10: 11
                It is stupid to blame some people for what other people did. And Nicholas II could have not done what he did, and Gorbachev could have not handed over the country and the people who were entrusted to him to their external and internal enemies.
            2. 0
              12 June 2025 11: 09
              And blaming Andropov for what Gorbachev did is like blaming Alexander III for the fact that Nicholas II ruined the Empire.

              Irina, the argument you have made is absolutely incorrect. Nicholas II was the eldest son and heir to the throne, which you certainly know. Andropov? Well, did he really not know who he was bringing to power? He had a lot of options, believe me. Or? Or was that the plan? By the way, I agree with your opponent about Andropov's role in the collapse of the country, there really are a lot of questions for those *heroes of the Politburo*. hi
    3. +4
      9 June 2025 11: 26
      Quote: north 2
      Well, if the KGB was able to see even a small-time farcester but was unable to discern not only the traitors Yakovlev and Gorbachev crawling to the heights of power, not to mention the small-caliber Landzbergises of all sorts in the republics

      But since the time of Khrushchev, hasn’t the Committee been prohibited from working on the leadership of the CPSU without permission from the party organs?
      In general, it is as if the OBKhSS were required to obtain permission to work for directors of stores and bases from the management of the trade. laughing
      1. 0
        12 June 2025 12: 02
        But since the time of Khrushchev, hasn’t the Committee been prohibited from working on the leadership of the CPSU without permission from the party organs?

        And that's true, but? Was it really not clear who was being *dragged* into power, were there really no signals? Who prevented Andropov from coming to the Politburo with a report? What was that? But there was still time before Gorbachev's rule.
  3. +5
    9 June 2025 06: 57
    The author was hasty regarding advanced nuclear power plants.
    Considering the fact that the USSR budget for 1986 is still secret, it is safe to say that, in an economic sense, the Union was slammed by the Chernobyl accident.

    Gorbachev himself repeatedly said that if there had been no accident, the USSR would have remained intact. But they had to start a new NEP. They were forced to. wink
    1. +3
      9 June 2025 08: 31
      The marked man lied, as always. The USSR economy was slammed by the permission to cash the non-cash ruble. Immediately, all the funds of enterprises, working capital, depreciation, salary, development, etc. were transferred to cash, which in turn, uh-uh, was stolen. The enterprises, left without working capital and other money, were declared ineffective for such a case and subject to privatization. It's all banal and simple.
      1. +3
        9 June 2025 09: 30
        Greetings Vasily hi Shock therapy was for people as well as for factories, plants, and research institutes. That's what.
        1. 0
          9 June 2025 09: 40
          Greetings! hi Uh-uh... And Vasily - is it you or me? what
          1. +2
            9 June 2025 09: 46
            I apologize! hi Pavel! Vasily----this is Alf, I recently answered him in another article.
            We need to remember that time. Sometimes. I recently read that Perestroika was the globalists' attack on the USSR. Is that true? recourse unclear .
            1. +2
              9 June 2025 10: 13
              There is only one reason. About which all the classics warned - Plekhanov, Lenin, Trotsky, and even Comrade Stalin. The degeneration of the ruling elite of the party. Who wanted to take ownership of the national economy and, as a consequence, to receive and pass on by inheritance all those goodies that the richest circles of the West have...

              The USA, at least the sane characters there like Bush Sr., were generally strongly against the collapse of the Union. Weaken - yes, gnaw - with pleasure, but to destroy... Why? An old convenient familiar enemy is much better than a mess on the territory with nuclear weapons and other nice resources...
              1. +1
                9 June 2025 11: 59
                You know, Pavel, I don't really understand this. Our nomenklatura assumed that we would be on equal terms with them. And then what? Either they changed their minds, or ours showed their stupidity and they were pushed aside. After all, their plans could change with the arrival of new people. Again, ours showed their worst sides.
                1. +2
                  9 June 2025 12: 04
                  It's just that in the West they respect strength and only strength. And our nomenklatura has rejected it. Plus - epic greed, when for the sake of getting the coveted dough they would destroy even the most necessary things.
                  Well - and the natural disgust of the Western elite towards such a public. How can one consider as an equal someone who sold out his own country and betrayed his own people?
                  1. +2
                    9 June 2025 12: 14
                    Quote: paul3390
                    ..... the natural disgust of the Western elite towards such a crowd. How can they treat someone who sold out their own country and betrayed their own people as an equal?

                    Maybe the disgust is also because there have been aristocrats there for hundreds of years. They didn't accept the Russian Empire, the USSR, in any way. They didn't even consider the family of Nicholas II as their own.
                2. +2
                  9 June 2025 12: 26
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  You know, Pavel, I don't really understand this. Our nomenklatura assumed that they would be on equal terms. And then what? Either they changed their minds, or ours showed their stupidity and they were pushed aside.

                  And then they decided that such a chance only happens once in a lifetime. And they simply smashed the geopolitical enemy, getting a unipolar world. Nobody wanted to play the long game.
                  The military-industrial complex and the army, of course, had a hard time, but ten years later they were given a new toy - "international terrorism".
                  1. 0
                    10 June 2025 07: 18
                    hi Probably, the communist nomenklatura looked like the victors in the Great Patriotic War from afar. But when you get closer - they were small fry, money-grubbers. So they were treated accordingly
      2. +5
        9 June 2025 11: 01
        Quote: paul3390
        The marked one lied, as always.

        I'll add. I remember arguments with my brother-in-law. He then went to a cooperative and was happy with salaries that were higher than at state enterprises. The arguments that they did not pay taxes and did not support social services were not understood.
      3. ANB
        +1
        9 June 2025 12: 02
        . permission to cash out non-cash ruble

        There was no such direct permission.
        But instead, enterprises were allowed to enter into contracts with cooperatives. And cooperatives, according to the law on cooperation, had no restrictions on cashing out. Contracts were concluded immediately with the purpose of withdrawing money from circulation and stealing it.
        Although, briefly, you wrote it correctly. Cashing out and stealing working capital. This immediately killed the economy.
        Plus, the stolen cash was used to start a mass purchase of consumer goods for the purpose of exporting them abroad and getting currency. Which led to a massive deficit of everything. Although there were several reasons for the deficit. And most of them were organized under Gorbachev.
        1. 0
          9 June 2025 12: 06
          What difference does it make - the main thing is the result? And how it was presented is of secondary importance.
          1. ANB
            +1
            9 June 2025 13: 47
            And how it was furnished is of secondary importance.

            How to say.
            Now I think about it - almost all the harm was buried in laws and regulations that, at first glance, should have benefited the people.
            This means that experienced lawyers and psychologists worked on the texts.
            In the USSR they didn't really teach such things.
            1. +1
              9 June 2025 13: 58
              And that's always how it happens - reality must be carefully masked and fed in small portions. And then suddenly the people realize what's happening and hang everyone on lampposts?

              But in general - it all started back under Khrushchev. Both from the ideological point of view - the abolition of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and from the economic point of view - wild reforms, like the introduction of the profit parameter as the main indicator into the socialist economy. Yes, there are plenty of examples. Planning for the death of the Union began back then.
              1. ANB
                +1
                9 June 2025 17: 47
                . wild-type reforms, like the introduction of the profit parameter into the socialist economy as the main indicator.

                What irritates me more about Khrushchev is something else. Why did he force villagers to cut down their gardens by introducing wild taxes? And then nothing was planted back.
                1. +1
                  9 June 2025 17: 53
                  This parasite has shit practically everywhere. No matter what he does.
                2. +1
                  10 June 2025 11: 42
                  Quote: ANB
                  . wild-type reforms, like the introduction of the profit parameter into the socialist economy as the main indicator.

                  What irritates me more about Khrushchev is something else. Why did he force villagers to cut down their gardens by introducing wild taxes? And then nothing was planted back.

                  It's all simple - at that time there was a shortage of food in the cities - Novocherkassk didn't fall from the sky!! - and the peasants quickly realized that it was significantly FAVORABLE grow and sell your own on the market than toil on a collective farm - which will pay off in the devil's time and will not even give everything back in money. Therefore, everyone began to produce the minimum labor and that's it
                  In all the films of that time about the village there are always shots of collective farmers going to the city market with food during working (!!) hours.
                  That is why it was necessary to tax everything to the maximum and create maximum obstacles (like handing over pig skins) - so that collective farmers were forced to work on the collective farm.
      4. +1
        10 June 2025 11: 36
        Quote: paul3390
        The marked man lied, as always. The USSR economy was slammed by the permission to cash the non-cash ruble. Immediately, all the funds of enterprises, working capital, depreciation, salary, development, etc. were transferred to cash, which in turn, uh-uh, was stolen. The enterprises, left without working capital and other money, were declared ineffective for such a case and subject to privatization. It's all banal and simple.

        And also the miners on Vasilievsky Spusk, who demanded the privatization of the mines by collectives, 90% of ruble and 50% of foreign currency earnings.
        They were not shot on the spot and were given a free pickaxe.
        And everyone understood - even the stupid saiga in the steppe - that in this country you can do whatever you want, POWER is not able to protect itself.
        And before that there was Rust, who showed that the army was no longer fit to defend the country....
  4. +6
    9 June 2025 07: 05
    How the Soviet Union was broken
    It should be said right away that, according to the results of the All-Union referendum, the overwhelming majority voted for the preservation of the USSR. Who was Gorbachev, a "Kremlin dreamer", a chatterbox or a conscious enemy? Most likely, initially a chatterbox, which eventually became a betrayal.
    I would add to the author's words an omitted phenomenon - in May 1985, the perestroika anti-alcohol reform began. The ideologists of the campaign "Sobriety is the norm of life" are a typical example of how "the road to hell" can be paved with good intentions... As a result, the amount of moonshine and various surrogates only increased, instead of good wine, with the cutting down of vineyards. Another example, from "they wanted the best", perestroika and acceleration, which even gave rise to a joke at the time.
    Perestroika and acceleration, Gorbachev arrives at the plant,
    he sees a man running around the workshop with an empty car.
    Mikhail Sergeevich calls out to him:
    - Why are you running so fast?
    - So, acceleration!
    - Well done, but why is the car empty?
    - Well, they don’t have time to apply it...

    The biggest mistake was the hope for peaceful coexistence with the antagonist, the mortal enemy, Gorbachev's flirting with the West, which understood and took into account only force. These are stupid, unforgivable concessions, one of the main ones here is the withdrawal of the GSVG, believing the "gentlemen" at their word not to expand NATO. All these dances also gave rise to faith and hope among the people that the West is a good lamb that was demonized, to the faith in Western "democracy" was added the fetish of everything "Made in not ours", especially against the background of empty shelves. The finale, three traitors in Belovezhskaya Pushcha spontaneously declared the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Gorbachev, instead of hanging these Judases on poles, lowered the red flag in the Kremlin, and did not forget to call Washington, to notify... That's how, long before the unconstitutional coup d'etat in Kyiv (2014), the Moscow "Maidan" (1991) took place, both the Constitution and the results of the All-Union referendum were trampled. The grandiose deception of the people was completed by the "renewal", where instead of a new Union they cobbled together a sham "CIS", instead of the promised "democracy" they quietly imposed capitalism, with a predatory "privatization". By the way, no one signed up for capitalism, and in general, what happened is, in fact, a crime without a statute of limitations. For now, we have what we have, with fat cats, who are the main agents of foreign influence, with money in foreign banks and foreign currency, and double or triple citizenship.
    1. +3
      9 June 2025 19: 58
      GSVG withdrawal,

      By the way, but happy holiday to all who served in the GSVG! Today is June 9, GSVG Day. Torgau-Schneekopf 81-82. soldier
    2. 0
      10 June 2025 11: 50
      Quote: Per se.
      The biggest mistake was the hope for peaceful coexistence with an antagonist, a mortal enemy, Gorbachev’s flirtation with the West, which understood and took into account only force.

      Yeah, but ALL gas pipelines, oil pipelines and ammonia pipelines were built under Brezhnev.
      And gasification of the FRG was completed by 1980, and in the USSR 6% (taking into account the cylinder belay gas) in rural areas by 1986.
      "Damned capitalists" lol in the 1990s, when the country was in total disarray, they installed more gas than in the blessed USSR from 1972 to 1986
      1. -1
        10 June 2025 13: 48
        Quote: your1970
        Yeah, but ALL gas pipelines, oil pipelines and ammonia pipelines were built under Brezhnev.
        Is that really all? "Turkish Stream", "Nord Stream", "Nord Stream 2", "Power of Siberia", "Power of Siberia 2". As if you don't know this, but, of course, "and you hanged blacks", if this somehow makes it easier, then thank God.
        1. +1
          10 June 2025 14: 32
          Quote: Per se.
          Quote: your1970
          Yeah, but ALL gas pipelines, oil pipelines and ammonia pipelines were built under Brezhnev.
          Is that really all? "Turkish Stream", "Nord Stream", "Nord Stream 2", "Power of Siberia", "Power of Siberia 2". As if you don't know this, but, of course, "and you hanged blacks"If this makes things any easier, then thank God.

          Well, don't say that now the Russian Federation is trading with its enemies, but the USSR wasn't like that - it only traded a little bit, half a cone...

          "Despite Washington's opposition Supplies of Soviet natural gas to Europe increased 20-fold over 35 years. By the end of the 1980s, 15% of all gas burned in France came from the USSR, and in Germany this figure reached 30%. The Soviet Union put Europe on the gas needle, but at the same time provided it with rapid economic growth."
          https://dzen.ru/a/Yy1hlVJdb2sXmiKV


          Quote: Per se.
          It seems like you don’t know this, but of course, “and you hanged blacks,” if that somehow makes it easier, then thank God.

          Can you add anything about the volume of gasification of the country under the people's USSR?
          1. +1
            10 June 2025 14: 43
            Quote: your1970
            Can you add something?
            Of course, back then the money didn't end up in the pockets of billionaires, and assets didn't flow abroad to work for someone else's economy. Our Soviet Central Bank didn't ruin its economy with draconian interest rates.
            By any chance, under the "old regime", you didn't teach the history of the CPSU, you had changed so much...
            1. +1
              10 June 2025 15: 02
              Quote: Per se.
              Of course, back then the money didn’t end up in the pockets of billionaires, and assets didn’t flow abroad to work for someone else’s economy.

              Well, yes, selling gas for Deutschmarks to one NATO member (Germany) in order to buy grain from another NATO member (the USA) - that's true, that's not for someone else's pocket...
              The only funny thing is that before the sanctions, the Federal Customs Service provided 62% of the country’s budget revenues – mainly export duties on raw materials.
              And yes daily direct pension payments - 28 billion. Of the money that the Federal Customs Service took from the oligarchs - apparently from its own pocket - that's 62%.

              Quote: Per se.
              Our Soviet Central Bank did not ruin its economy with draconian interest rates.
              Whether he destroyed it or not, or kissed the heels of industry, the result is the same - the USSR is dead.
              If he were alive, then it would be worth praising the work of the Soviet State Bank, but as it is...
              Throwing money to the wind, as they did in those days, doesn't require much intelligence...
  5. +2
    9 June 2025 07: 12
    The driving force behind perestroika was the union of various social groups: part of the party and state nomenklatura, which sought to resolve the crisis and maintain its position (even at the cost of changing ideology and destroying the USSR), and local and national elites joined it; a significant part of the intelligentsia, infected with cosmopolitanism, Western and liberal ideology (the ideals of freedom and democracy, images of “full shelves”); criminal layers, ethnic organized crime groups associated with the “shadow” economy

    Following Perestroika and the collapse of the USSR, Yeltsin ruled "seven bankers" (Boris Berezovsky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Vladimir Gusinsky, Vladimir Vinogradov, Vladimir Potanin, Mikhail Fridman and Alexander Smolensky), whose executors and "sixes" were precisely the characters and groups that the author called "the driving force of perestroika."
  6. +1
    9 June 2025 07: 53
    The driving force of perestroika was almost all of us. There is no point in shifting the blame here. Everyone wanted changes. And most of all those who suffered the most: the entire academic community. All sorts of artists, but they did not suffer with rare exceptions.
    And almost everyone else.
    1. +5
      9 June 2025 08: 34
      Changes are not all the same.. Few of us wanted THIS. Do you remember under what slogans perestroika began? More socialism! And so on..
      1. +3
        9 June 2025 09: 18
        Of course. Everyone wanted only the best. And EVERYONE thought that it was only about the CPSU.
        The people were naive and trusting. They quickly succumbed to psychosis. Even now many think along those lines.
        1. +7
          9 June 2025 09: 23
          No, it’s just that no one could have imagined, even in their worst nightmares, that we would be sold out by our own leaders...
          1. +3
            9 June 2025 09: 31
            Well, well! And they downvote even more. I'm almost certain that those who were most in favor of change back then.
          2. 0
            9 June 2025 09: 37
            The enemies of the USSR justify all their meanness and crimes with "good goals". So Gorbachev, having become the General Secretary of the USSR, immediately began to prepare a counter-revolution, and lied to the people that he was building "socialism with a human face", removed real communists from the highest echelons of power in the USSR, and justified this by "rejuvenation" of the highest echelons of power, launched a total slander against the Bolshevik communists with automatic justification of the crimes of their external and internal enemies, and called it Glasnost.
          3. +6
            9 June 2025 09: 40
            Quote: paul3390
            No, it’s just that no one could have imagined, even in their worst nightmares, that we would be sold out by our own leaders...

            The nomenklatura degenerated. They considered themselves aristocrats and the rest serfs
          4. 0
            9 June 2025 13: 08
            Quote: paul3390
            No, it’s just that no one could have imagined, even in their worst nightmares, that we would be sold out by our own leaders...

            BUT then everyone celebrated Judas.
            Nobody (in the mass) stood up for the Motherland in 1991.
            Nobody (in the main) supported the House of Soviets in 1993.

            Neither the army, nor the police, nor the damned KGB (do you think all this would have happened without its knowledge? It probably took part as the SBU), nor the hordes of former/current pioneers/Komsomol members, nor all those who were in the party, nor all those who served (swore allegiance) to the Motherland, in fact, no one.
            No one came unstuck after the fact like the DPR/LPR (Chechnya is different, firstly there was a different reason for coming unstuck, and secondly, they brought weapons depots there, it seems, from Georgia and left them unguarded, it looked as if the new government itself helped the US arrange what happened there).

            And what’s more, there were those who even jumped in support of the alcoholic Borka.
            1. +5
              9 June 2025 13: 15
              What did you expect - for the suddenly enlightened masses to self-organize and storm the Kremlin? That doesn't happen.

              As for the Motherland - I remember those events well. No one even suspected what was happening.. After all, what were we told - the CIS is the same USSR, only the participants have slightly more rights, you won't even notice the difference.. And it will be the same socialism, only with elements of the market.. Alas - the Soviet government raised us in hothouse conditions, we didn't even imagine that our own leaders could lie to us SO brazenly...

              The events of '93 - do you really think that we should have stood up against Yolkin for Khasbulatov and Rutskoy??? Well, well... The guys were simply dividing up the money and power - what did we have to do with it?
              1. -1
                9 June 2025 13: 34
                in greenhouse conditions

                That's right. I don't really like Soviet films. The characters have some kind of excessive childish naivety. It's only now that it's suns ...
                1. -1
                  9 June 2025 13: 53
                  And the more I re-watch Soviet films, the more I am amazed by the real amount of outright anti-Sovietism in seemingly everyday things and moments. As the unforgettable Winnie the Pooh said: "It's not for nothing that it's zzzzzzzzz."
                  1. -5
                    9 June 2025 14: 02
                    And the enemies of the USSR, by what they themselves created, increasingly prove that the USSR was not so totalitarian. The people had much more freedom after Stalin's death than under the enemies of the USSR, there were a lot of political jokes among the people, there were a lot of satirists and satire on the shortcomings of the USSR.
                    1. 0
                      11 June 2025 21: 14
                      Quote: tatra
                      And the enemies... prove that the USSR was not so totalitarian. The people had much more freedom after Stalin's death than under the enemies of the USSR, there were a lot of political jokes among the people, there were a lot of satirists and satire on the shortcomings of the USSR.

                      What is this? "freedom after Stalin's death"
                      This is all your lies and complete misunderstanding.
                    2. 0
                      11 June 2025 21: 16
                      This was not freedom! This was slander under the pretext of criticism and self-criticism. This was for the destruction of the USSR. The real and invisible enemies of the USSR were trying to
                  2. +1
                    9 June 2025 19: 13
                    Quote: paul3390
                    And the more I re-watch Soviet films, the more I am amazed by the real amount of blatant anti-Sovietism in seemingly everyday things and moments.

                    And me too... Starting from "Volga-Volga" and "Carnival Night" to "The Irony of Fate" and "Kidnapping, Caucasian Style" and "Garage"... People felt in their gut that something was wrong here!
                    1. +2
                      9 June 2025 19: 51
                      "Garage"..

                      Ha, ha, ha! Vyacheslav Olegovich, please name me the positive hero of the film *The Irony of Fate*? By the way, our Eldar Ryazanov is not doing very well with positive ones, is he? laughing
                      1. +3
                        9 June 2025 20: 24
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        positive hero

                        What do you mean positive? Where have you seen only positive or only negative characters in life? Normal people are a mix of everything...
                      2. -1
                        9 June 2025 20: 32
                        mixed up

                        This is understandable, but in cinema there are positive and negative characters. For example: Lukashin? Nadya? Ippolit? It's scary to even mention *Garage*. laughing
                      3. 0
                        10 June 2025 06: 25
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        Lukashin? Nadya?

                        To them ++. To Ippolit - --
                      4. 0
                        10 June 2025 06: 28
                        To them ++. To Ippolit - --

                        To them--.Ippolit++
                      5. 0
                        10 June 2025 06: 30
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        To them--.Ippolit++

                        Ha! From the point of view of preserving the foundations - yes! People who want something strange are always dangerous.
                      6. +1
                        10 June 2025 06: 33
                        People who want something strange are always dangerous.

                        Oh yes! One drunkenly flew to St. Petersburg and instantly forgot about his bride in Moscow, the other one didn't fly anywhere and forgot about her groom. Of course...strange people. laughing
                      7. +1
                        10 June 2025 06: 33
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        .Of course...strange people.

                        Love is blind!
                      8. -1
                        10 June 2025 06: 36
                        Love is blind!

                        That's true, but there's little positive about them in this *strange couple*. Ippolit? He's reliable as a rock, but we learned so little about him from the film. Unfortunately, Ippolit's image wasn't really revealed.
                      9. 0
                        10 June 2025 06: 38
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        He is as reliable as a rock,

                        And yes, there were many of those. But... strength is also inflexibility. And the Japanese say: what bends can straighten out. What doesn't bend breaks!
                  3. 0
                    10 June 2025 06: 58
                    Quote: paul3390
                    ..... I am amazed by the real amount of outright anti-Sovietism in them in seemingly everyday things and moments.. As the unforgettable Winnie the Pooh said - "This zzzzzzz is not without reason.."

                    Just now I saw your comment, Pavel. So who made these films? Creative intellectuals! Who showed themselves during perestroika.
                  4. +1
                    10 June 2025 14: 02
                    And the more I re-watch Soviet films, the more I am amazed by the real amount of blatant anti-Sovietism in seemingly everyday things and moments.


                    So maybe at some point the reality itself in the USSR became anti-Soviet? Or that people didn't take out the sideboards and paid extra (from The Irony of Fate) or the market director didn't have connections (from Garage) or the hotels didn't have what they showed in Mimino, etc.
                2. -1
                  9 June 2025 20: 36
                  The heroes have some kind of excessive childish naivety.

                  It is not excessive, it corresponds to the realities of THOSE days! In forty years they will also say about you, my God, how naive he is. It's simple, time will judge everyone.
                  1. +1
                    9 June 2025 20: 50
                    Naivety, that's if the films are about peacetime. And about wartime, everything is correct. And if you look at today's youth, they don't have naivety, but something worse.
                    1. 0
                      10 June 2025 06: 26
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      And if you look at today's youth, they don't have naivety, but something worse.

                      Dmitry! Don't generalize without having precise information. There are all sorts of...
                      1. 0
                        10 June 2025 06: 30
                        Greetings Vyacheslav Olegovich! How many young people have fallen for the scam. That's what I'm talking about. It's good if relatives helped with money. For nothing. And if loans. Again, it's good if relatives can.
                      2. -1
                        10 June 2025 06: 32
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        How many young people have fallen for the scam.

                        And how many? Not even 1000 thousand. For several million people. Whereas during the Great Patriotic War, every 10th soldier (if we take into account that 10 million people were called up) turned out to be a traitor and went over to the enemy's side.
                      3. 0
                        10 June 2025 06: 37
                        And how did you calculate it? It's the other way around! They consider it a coincidence. It's nicer than considering yourself a loser.
                      4. -1
                        10 June 2025 06: 40
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        How did you calculate it? It's the other way around!

                        So this is well-known data. It is on the Internet. And again, 80% are idiots, I write about this all the time. But 20% (including young people) is enough for progress.
                      5. 0
                        10 June 2025 06: 49
                        In the USSR, the naive studied, worked in research institutes, factories, went to construction sites or "for the fog and the smell of the taiga." That's what. And now ---- there are much worse things than
                        idiots 80%
                        and probably, you and I ask different questions on the Internet and get different answers accordingly
                      6. -1
                        10 June 2025 07: 02
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        In the USSR, the naive studied, worked in research institutes, factories, went to construction sites or "for the fog and the smell of the taiga."

                        Not naive. But LITTLE KNOWLEDGE. Nowadays people know much more and behave accordingly. In much knowledge there is much sadness!
                      7. +1
                        10 June 2025 07: 06
                        Vyacheslav Olegovich, I actually meant those who fulfill the demands of the ukroterrorists for promises and paltry ₽ or give it to the scammers with their own hands. And what about you? request
                      8. 0
                        10 June 2025 08: 17
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        I actually meant those who, for promises and paltry ₽, fulfill the demands of the Ukrainian terrorists or give it to the scammers themselves with their own hands.

                        The same. But both of them in % of the population of the corresponding ages are negligible.
                      9. +1
                        10 June 2025 08: 46
                        I think your statistics are greatly understated. Some people won't admit to themselves or others that they've been screwed. Or give money when they get a job. Or work for free for 6 months. Job seeker. And a lot of things... laughing
                    2. 0
                      10 June 2025 06: 30
                      naivety, and what's worse.

                      And haven't you noticed that the world has become much more cynical? That's why young people are trying to keep up... so as not to get their 91st.
                      1. -1
                        10 June 2025 06: 33
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        much more cynical

                        I would say it more pragmatically.
                      2. -2
                        10 June 2025 06: 34
                        More pragmatic

                        And this is correct, and I myself don’t really like generalizations. I am for healthy individualism.
                      3. -1
                        10 June 2025 06: 36
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        I am for healthy individualism.

                        Exactly! The whole world is a complex of my feelings. I just had a dream: that I started a business: to take people around Penza and the surrounding area on an exact copy of an American mail coach. And at 5 am to race along the highway to Moscow with the wind in a team of four horses. It was so great! I didn’t want to wake up, it was all so real.
                      4. +1
                        10 June 2025 16: 03
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        ...... So the youth tries to keep up...so as not to get their 91st.

                        Many people have so much nonsense on their ears
                    3. +4
                      10 June 2025 12: 07
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Naivety is when the films are about peacetime. But about wartime everything is correct. belay .

                      Yeah, especially "Die Hard" with Solomin...
                      1. -1
                        10 June 2025 12: 42
                        Do I sense sarcasm? But I haven't watched this movie. I can't watch everything. Take GARAGE, for example. It started ---- some kind of crap. I turned it off.
                      2. +2
                        10 June 2025 14: 18
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Do I sense sarcasm? But I haven't watched this movie. I can't watch everything. Take GARAGE, for example. It started ---- some kind of crap. I turned it off.

                        You just haven't delved into "Garage" - that's it. quite accurate description of relations in Soviet society at that time.
                        It turned out to be impossible to eradicate "materialism" - and this is shown
                      3. -1
                        10 June 2025 15: 32
                        You just haven't gotten into "Garage" yet.

                        To understand *Garage* you simply have to LIVE in that time, and Dmitry is familiar with it purely from stories and articles.
                        It turned out to be impossible to eradicate "materialism" - and this is shown

                        That's it. It's like putting, for example, branded jeans and a product called *Vereya* next to each other. laughing Of course, not everything can be measured in jeans, but at that time everyone wanted to wear them, well, almost everyone. And that's a fact.
                      4. +1
                        10 June 2025 15: 53
                        live in that time

                        hi exactly so, Sergey hi What happened. In the Far East in childhood there was some deficit and it was connected with navigation. And everyone lived in it and I somehow understood, little one.
                        the ship didn't bring
                        .
                        And Leningrad 91-92. Yes, there was a deficit somehow. But I didn't notice. After all, it was a move, everything was different. And when I had my own money --- there was no deficit.
                      5. +1
                        10 June 2025 15: 45
                        Understand that recourse In the USSR there was a different money, their order. That's why many people don't understand that life now. And the deficit too. Why shout and get mad? Go buy it if you need it. Or there are plenty of paid parking lots there. recourse It's also unclear what's behind the boots choked. Or for sheepskin coats. Now it's nonsense. I mean, I accept it with my mind, but it's still wild.
                        But if after the Revolution and the Civil War there was nothing. They built from materials from destroyed houses. This is understandable. And I saw all those houses, they are architectural monuments now. Or the specialists died. It is understandable. Or the war, the blockade, the fascists, the famine. This is also understandable. And I have a lot of books. And the GARAGE or the underwear from under the counter three from the top or there are tights five from the top --- I don't understand. What nonsense.
                      6. +3
                        10 June 2025 15: 53
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        And the GARAGE or panties from under the counter three on top or tights five on top --- it's not clear. Some kind of nonsense

                        To understand this, you had to live in it. I had time, I understand. You didn't have time, so it's not clear to you. It's simple.
                      7. 0
                        10 June 2025 16: 00
                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        ...... I made it, I understand. You didn't make it, so it's not clear to you. It's simple.

                        And how to combine the fuss over rags with the fact that minerals were being mined, construction was underway, airplanes were being built, rockets into space, new housing was growing more and more. Two USSRs. recourse I think Ilf and Petrov have some words about this. hi
                      8. -1
                        10 June 2025 16: 11
                        And how to combine the fuss over rags with the fact that minerals were being mined, construction was underway, airplanes were being built, rockets into space, new housing was becoming more and more. Two USSR. recourse It seems that Ilf and Petrov have some words about this hi

                        How ordinary! Dmitry, good household appliances, clothes, yes, many things wanted to wear, have, buy EVERYTHING, including those who built what you listed. But not everyone had this opportunity.
                        Ilf and Petrov? Not an example at all, because? Morals were slightly different at that time. If you want to better understand the time of the seventies and early eighties, just type in the search engine the phrase *Shortage in the USSR* and you will be happy. hi
                      9. 0
                        10 June 2025 16: 39
                        Thank you, Sergey! You advise about Shortage in the USSR? Thanks, but ---- NO! I'd rather type in something about the Revolution. Or about construction after the Great Patriotic War.
                      10. +1
                        11 June 2025 22: 32
                        Two USSR. recourse I think Ilf and Petrov have some words about this
                        Ilf and Petrov said: "There is a big world and a small world. In the big world, the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station was built and long-distance flights were made, in the small world, the "plenipotentiary" style of trousers, the song "Bricks" and the screaming bubble "Go away, go away" were invented."
                      11. +1
                        11 June 2025 22: 36
                        Yes, that's right! Sergey Ivanovich. And what surprised me was that it seemed that these two worlds coexisted in one person at the same time. Or rather, they could coexist. That's what.
                      12. -1
                        10 June 2025 16: 21
                        And I have a lot of books

                        In the Union, books were also in short supply, you know. laughing
                      13. +1
                        10 June 2025 17: 18
                        It is quite clear about the book shortage. Even now you can't always find some necessary or interesting books right away. And now the print runs are small and they don't always get reprinted later. I often dreamed about books that I hadn't seen and couldn't buy later.
                      14. +1
                        10 June 2025 22: 31
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        And the GARAGE or panties from under the counter three on top or tights five on top --- it's not clear. Some kind of nonsense

                        Have you ever seen Soviet women? UNDERPANTS have you seen?
                        Not synthetic panties - which can be washed in case of leaks, but cotton UNDERWEAR - which is almost impossible to wash out of blood?!
                        Feminine hygiene was limited to either a roll of cotton wool or a roll of old rags.
                        The scope of husbands' desires when they see their wives in leopard-print panties from regular washings?
                        Women suffered with this, although there was plenty of synthetics in the country, they were produced...

                        And so it was in everything that concerned people.
                        My parents wanted to buy me Chinese sneakers for graduation.
                        Naturally, to make it in time, we started at the end of the 9th grade belay
                        To get a coupon for them, you had to hand in 100 kg of butter. The purchase was 30-40 kopecks lower than the sale. They collected from relatives.
                        Then they came and bought them. But the size naturally was not the right one - they brought 5 pairs to the area. And then no one was told that I had a 45 - but they brought 39. And my mother spent 4 months through friends in other areas finding the same ones who bought the wrong size and exchanged some for others.
                        And so for 4 months in a row.
                        You can come now to to a complete stranger and tell him "Let's exchange sneakers? I'll give you mine that's not my size and you give me yours that's not yours? I know who yours would suit" (c)???
                        In general, I managed to enroll and study for about a month - while all this was completed. What the hell graduation....

                        Do you understand now? SIZE the guy's connections - who could get it in size right away??!!! They wanted to be friends with him ALL...
                        Now I can’t even imagine a person who would be equal in [b]opportunities[/b to the banal Soviet “director of a store”
                      15. +1
                        10 June 2025 22: 55
                        Quote: your1970
                        My parents wanted to buy me Chinese sneakers for graduation

                        A funny epic, I haven't seen it myself, but for some reason it's easy to believe. I'll add a little:

                        I got my first sneakers in my third year at the institute, and I was 3. I bought them from a Bulgarian who brought jeans and sneakers with him for sale. Amazing German (then) sneakers, Romika, cost me 22 (one hundred twenty) rubles, 120 model, well, I worked while studying full-time... how? Well, I know how laughing

                        Jeans - a hundred, from the same Bulgarians. In the shops, even though it was Moscow (I studied there, yes), there was nothing special. But you could buy the right underwear for yourself and your girlfriend, having run a little, though laughing

                        Ah, youth, youth request
                      16. 0
                        11 June 2025 05: 59
                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        Wonderful German (then) sneakers, Romika, cost me 120 (one hundred twenty) rubles, 1981 model,

                        Chinese were worth 32 rubles 1987
                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        In stores, though Moscow (I studied there, yes), there was nothing special.
                        - 1 200 km from Moscow..That's why people went to Moscow for things, but not often - 23 hours 45 minutes one way.
                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        But you could buy the right panties for yourself and your friend by running around a bit, though.
                        - Where were the men supposed to run in the middle of the steppe? feel
                      17. +2
                        11 June 2025 07: 35
                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        Funny epic

                        Ride 70-100 km by hitchhiking, go into the first house you come across and ask "Let's swap sneakers!!!" (C) - then we'll discuss as far as did you find it funny...
                      18. +1
                        11 June 2025 18: 33
                        Quote: your1970
                        then we'll discuss how funny you found it...

                        You see, judging by the nicknames, I'm about 12 years older than you. And I've seen more interesting things, believe me laughing

                        The word "funny" has many meanings for me... however, not everyone needs to know this hi
                      19. 0
                        11 June 2025 09: 46
                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        ..... In the shops, even though it was Moscow (I studied there, yes), there was nothing special. But you could buy the right panties for yourself and your girlfriend, if you ran around a bit, though laughing .....

                        This is all just clear and correct. And this is the 80s. There are doubts here. recourse some time passed and no one was pushing for jeans anymore. This was already in my time. Well, they were proud of their jackets, shirts. That is, somehow everything appeared. Time passed. And at the beginning of the century, in about 2005, at work, the management said that it would be better if I dressed more decently, and not in jeans request
                      20. 0
                        11 June 2025 00: 06
                        Director? I wrote there about pensioners from the trade recourse so they were cooler, it turns out recourse
                        But there are still some doubts. recourse Probably, in the Far East it was better with supplies. Especially in the wilderness. I had little ones - boots, felt boots ---- a little extra. Parents ... half of their lives either in tarpaulin or rubber. The other half of their lives in felt boots. But they mapped out supplies for 50-80 years ahead.
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                      22. +1
                        11 June 2025 01: 35
                        Sergey, I think you have it all mixed up. Novocherkassk is the 60s? Sneakers are the 80s? And panties when? As for panties, I think you yourself are to blame for everything. Guess why. And don't be like V.O.Sh. (he has a topic about pads)
                      23. +1
                        11 June 2025 06: 51
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Sergey, I think you have it all mixed up. Novocherkassk is the 60s? Sneakers are the 80s? And when are the underwear?
                        This attitude towards people was at least the case throughout the entire post-war period.

                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        As for the panties, I think you are to blame for everything. Guess why. And don't be like V.O.Sh. (he has a topic about pads)
                        You didn't understand the problem and its size.
                        It seems like a small thing - but when this small thing is multiplied by a hundred million women belay - this is a problem. Perhaps a global one.
                        In our region, 6 people went to war - 000 with some change returned (including those with varying degrees of disability, even "samovars"). And the men became sharply picky.
                        And for women who are unattractive, without access to food or alcohol, with a small salary, and in such panties - there was no chance after the war - NOTHING.
                        These are wild complexes, nervous breakdowns and broken lives - for several million women.
                        On the other hand, men, due to the easy accessibility of women (Well, at least that's how it is - but mine) went left en masse. And how many families fell apart because of this or didn't have children yet.....
                        On one side of the scale are cowards, and on the other are several million unborn (gone to another/went to others) children.
                        The state measured everything in millions of tons of cast iron - and here it is exactly like you
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        And there is no need to be like them
                        "a seemingly minor question" - hit the USSR in the gut - when the birth rate went down...
                      24. +1
                        11 June 2025 09: 32
                        There were no panties, I think. For women. There were padded panties and huge bras and there was a show of the products of this factory. When foreign delegations saw them, they laughed. It seems that those at the top thought about it then. But Soviet women sewed a lot of things themselves and, as I heard, made something like pads themselves. From bandages, gauze, etc. And if ever a woman wrote about such suffering! They don’t remember this! And I heard about women’s suffering because of small shops. In order to buy everything, you had to stand in lines in several of them and drag bags. And there were no shopping carts. As well as delivery.
                        And tampons were invented by an Englishman for his wife and were later named after him. I told V.O.Sh. earlier that we should have thought of it ourselves.
                        Somehow women, now many old ladies, do not remember the horrors of socialism! But they remember the 90s, how there was nothing to eat and no time for clothes. Then it seemed to get a little better, but 98 brought everything down. At work, they sometimes remember that time. Who worked then. How 2 of our female employees were almost raped early in the morning on a tram. Between Obukhovo and Proletarskaya (Piter.)
                      25. 0
                        11 June 2025 15: 52
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        And if only some woman would ever write about such suffering!

                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Somehow women, now many old women, do not remember the horrors of socialism!

                        You don’t understand the difference in upbringing - I was born much later - when I go to a pharmacy, I wait until there’s no line and only then ask for condoms.
                        I'm embarrassed...
                        And women of pre-war and post-war years would cut out their own tongues - but they wouldn't talk about panties or critical days. It was fuu ...

                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Somehow women, now many old women, do not remember the horrors of socialism! But they remember the 90s, when there was nothing to eat and no time for clothes.

                        There was no food until 1993 - then there was an abundance of food, but no one had money in the 1990s (until about 2001) for this food...
                      26. +1
                        11 June 2025 22: 40
                        There were padded panties and huge bras
                        Where did you get that from? What, did all our women have huge busts? There were a lot of ateliers back then, and they sewed a lot, including themselves. As for women's pantaloons - in 1957, I think, a French singer with a mouth came - Yves Montand. Mark Bernes even sang a song about him: "Montand's thoughtful voice / sounds on a short wave..." In general, peace, friendship, chewing gum. But while in the USSR, he bought women's underwear and organized an exhibition of it in Paris, showing off his caveman intellect of a "European".
                      27. +1
                        12 June 2025 14: 36
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ...... while in the USSR he bought women's underwear and organized an exhibition of it in Paris, showing off his caveman intellect as a "European".

                        That's probably what they were talking about, that everyone abroad laughed. And then ours held a fashion show and everyone liked the boots and colored scarves and fur coats and fur hats...... I don't remember where I read that. And before, women wore boots and "boots". But we probably wore felt boots too. And men wore them underneath too. In the Far East. But now --- no one. Then, ladies and girls definitely wore pantaloons.
                      28. +1
                        12 June 2025 14: 54
                        We have cold winters, so warm pants were in use.
                        that all the foreign countries laughed. And then ours held a fashion show and everyone liked the boots and the colorful scarves and the fur coats and the fur hats......
                        But their opinion should have been ignored, they always want to show their exclusivity and superiority over the Russian barbarians. And they themselves shit themselves in WWII, fought with the Germans for 40 days. After the war, it suddenly turned out that they were all in the Resistance and if they worked for the Germans, then only as Stirlitz. A vile country.
                      29. +1
                        12 June 2025 16: 08
                        Yes. No one understood or appreciated Russian nobility and magnanimity. Or rather, they understood and became even more furious. They still can't calm down from their anger.
                        In vain do our people continue this nobility towards hoopoes. request But that is another topic. hi
                      30. +1
                        12 June 2025 16: 14
                        1957 ---- ........ Yves Montand ....

                        Did they become friends under Khrushchev? He mocked Stalin and under him, the Russians. And then the foreigners laughed at Khrushchev himself. At his behavior and his shoes. And then at the marked man and the one who had shit himself.
                      31. +1
                        12 June 2025 16: 26
                        Did they become friends under Khrushchev? He mocked Stalin and under him, the Russians.
                        Yes, this is Khrushchev's time. I don't know anything about his mockery of Stalin, but considering his complete brainlessness, like most artists, I fully admit it.
                      32. +1
                        12 June 2025 17: 19
                        Yes, all the debunking of the "cult of personality" isn't mockery. Then it's like self-criticism, I think. And Stalin tried to give himself credit. Different houses and Khrushchev-era buildings were built, and the problem was solved. But the search for solutions began immediately after the Civil War and experiments continued. The largest construction was under Stalin, both before and after the war.
                      33. +1
                        18 June 2025 16: 02
                        There were no panties, it seems. For women.
                        and women don't have panties even now! These three strings with a petal for the pussy can hardly be called panties! Rather, they are loincloths like those of primitive women)))))
                      34. 0
                        18 June 2025 16: 38
                        Women used to wear knee-length pants. That's what
                      35. +1
                        11 June 2025 10: 56
                        women ..... in such panties

                        You have nonsense anyway. Women walked the streets in beautiful dresses. Not just panties. And men didn't stick to panties. They could quickly take them off and hide them. Even relatively recently, there were Soviet fashion magazines from the 50s-60s. I threw it away 10-15 years ago. There were ads for underwear, plain by today's standards, but normal. My mother just remembered that even before I was born, she sent her friends German sets from vacation in Leningrad ---- slip + panties. There were plenty of them in Leningrad. They cost about 20 rubles. The difficulty was that everyone would get a different color, and not the same. This was the 80s, give or take three years. She said that when I see something different, I buy it and send it by parcel post. When she comes back from vacation, everyone smiles at her and is happy. But they say there was Baltic knitwear and some of our own, also women's sets.
                      36. 0
                        11 June 2025 16: 00
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Mom just remembered that even before I was born, she sent German sets ---- slip + panties -- to her friends in the Far East from her vacation in Leningrad. There were plenty of them in Leningrad. They cost about 20 rubles..

                        The difficulty is that you don't understand the price relationship - in principle.
                        The average salary for women was 120, and a woman could afford to spend 20 of that on underwear no more than twice in her life.
                        It's like buying underwear for 15 thousand now. Can many people afford such underwear now?
                        And those who received the then minimum wage of 60 rubles could not buy it in principle.
                        I had lunch in Moscow at a dumpling shop every day when I was studying - for 90 kopecks. That was exactly 20 rubles. Calculate how much it costs now
                        Women in the Far East could afford luxury due to all kinds of extra payments
                      37. +1
                        11 June 2025 16: 24
                        What about these sets? There were German ones for 15, but they were made of viscose, not nylon. And there were some very simple ones of ours for up to 10 rubles. But the sizes were "capricious". No one and all of a certain size, no matter how hard you try. It turned out, as she said, that she sent viscose ones 3 times, and nylon ones in large quantities. And she sometimes bought and sent children's tights for little ones from one year to school. Our Leningrad factory made them. Krasnoye Znamya. But these were also in short supply, they cost about 1 ruble. Baltic tights were very rare. And also knitted rompers. That's what. It's a pity none of this has survived. It would be interesting to see
                      38. +1
                        18 June 2025 15: 59
                        That is, what you have
                        In the region, 6 people went to war, and only 000 returned
                        Is Stalin and the CPSU personally to blame for this?
                      39. 0
                        11 June 2025 12: 36
                        And there was a movie PROKHINDIADA. That's what I understand. And I saw this in real life in the 90s. And there was another movie with Gurchenko, about traders. I forgot.
                      40. -1
                        10 June 2025 15: 35
                        "Die Hard"
                        *Zhenya, Zhenechka and Katyusha* are from the same opera. It is not entirely clear what the directors were guided by when filming THIS.
                      41. 0
                        11 June 2025 07: 43
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        "Die Hard"
                        *Zhenya, Zhenechka and Katyusha* are from the same opera. It is not entirely clear what the directors were guided by when filming THIS.

                        "Die Hard" is the Soviet "Hitler kaput!"
                        This is not humor (in "Only old men are going to battle" or "They fought for their country" there is real humor) - this is just mockery and lowering the level of the tragedy of the Great Patriotic War to the everyday level
                      42. +1
                        11 June 2025 22: 44
                        this is just mockery and lowering the level of the tragedy of the Great Patriotic War to the everyday level
                        I agree. And there is also a wretched wartime film "Antosha Rybkin" from 1942, but "Die Hard" is simply a masterpiece in comparison.
                      43. 0
                        18 June 2025 16: 44
                        This film was recently advertised on some Russian film website.
          5. +1
            10 June 2025 11: 59
            Quote: paul3390
            No, it’s just that no one could have imagined, even in their worst nightmares, that we would be sold out by our own leaders...

            Do you seriously think that the people didn't see Novocherkassk, or the Ryazan experiment, or the miners on Vasilievsky Spusk, or "I didn't send you there!" (c), or promises of either communism or apartments by the year 2000??
            People USED ​​TO to the fact that everything that is said from above is blah-blah-blah-blah. That they say one thing, do another, promise a third, in the kitchen they discuss a fourth, think a fifth
  7. +4
    9 June 2025 08: 24
    The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

    Harvard Project:

    "During the first five years from 1985 to 1990, "Perestroika" will take place. Its goals are as follows:

    1. Glasnost
    2. The struggle for socialism “with a human face”
    3. Preparation of reforms “from socialism to capitalism”.

    “Perestroika” must be led by one leader, presumably the General Secretary.

    The second volume was devoted to “Reform”, its time was 1990-1995, and its goals were the following:

    1. The elimination of the world socialist system.
    2. The liquidation of the Warsaw Pact.
    3. The elimination of the CPSU.
    4. The elimination of the USSR.
    5. The elimination of patriotic socialist consciousness.

    The “reform” was to be led by a different leader.

    The third volume is called Completion.

    1. The elimination of the Soviet army.
    2. The elimination of Russia as a state.
    3. The elimination of the attributes of socialism, such as free training and medical care, and the introduction of the attributes of capitalism: you have to pay for everything.
    4. The elimination of well-fed and peaceful life in Leningrad and Moscow.
    5. The elimination of public and state property and the introduction of private property everywhere.

    The “completion” was accompanied by the freezing of the hungry population of Russia, the construction of good roads to sea ports, along which raw materials and wealth of Russia were to be exported abroad.

    The “completion” was to be led by the third leader, his time was 1996-2000."

    Source: The Harvard Project on the Soviet Social System

    "THE HOUSTON PROJECT"

    The "Houston Project" is a detailed elaboration of the "Completion" stage. It is connected only with Russia and there is no longer any talk of dismembering the USSR (as in the Harvard Project, according to which it has already taken place).
    Here we are already talking about the dismemberment of Russia into small states. According to these same plans:

    1. Siberia should go to the USA,
    2. North-West - to Germany,
    3. The South and the Volga region - to Turkey,
    4. The Far East - to Japan, in order to establish direct control over the raw materials of Siberia and the Far East."

    Part of the “Houston Project” was published in the newspaper “Soviet Russia” on June 20, 2002.
    1. -1
      10 June 2025 17: 53
      Harvard Project:

      Nonsense. Besides the newspaper, they write a lot of things on fences. Yes, and I am writing here. Conspiracy theories are thriving. Of course, the US has always sought to liquidate the USSR and Russia. But, of course, these projects have not been made public.
  8. +4
    9 June 2025 08: 39
    ...Europe and Western civilization as a whole are the source of progress, development and universal values...

    A striking example of such admiration was shown in the satire “The Twelve Chairs” by Ilya Ilf and Yevgeny Petrov.
    Ellochka the Cannibal is a phenomenon, our "everything"! An ideal, modern consumer. laughing
    Here are the fans of Ostap-Suleiman-Berta-Maria-Bender-Bey and they have been ruling for at least 40 years, managing like a herd, "Ellochkas" through gilded strainers (materialism) and the more of these "Ellochkas" there are, the easier it is to manage the rest, Gref will not let me lie. wink
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  11. -2
    9 June 2025 10: 56
    Quote: Aviator_
    The athletes' ultimate dream was to get into the USSR national team in order to go to international competitions and bring back junk for black marketeering.

    Sorry, but the coach didn't tell about version 2.0 of the Soviet athletes' strategy: go to international competitions - escape from the USSR team - make a profit in the West with your abilities and talents)))
  12. +4
    9 June 2025 11: 21
    For example, the all-Union survey of 1989 "opinions on the level of nutrition". Thus, milk and dairy products in the USSR were consumed 358 kg per person per year.

    Oh yeah... lies, damned lies and statistics ©.
    In 1979, with a stock of meat of 453 tons, 240 tons were sold to the population; 60 tons for war veterans and diabetics; 153 tons were spent on social services. In January February, with a meat limit of 80 tons, sales using coupons amounted to 70 tons at 0,5 kg per person per month.

    In 1979, 265 tons of animal oil were sold to the population, with a stock of 337 tons. In January, oil was not traded due to lack of resources. In February-March, 30 tons were sold using coupons, with a limit of 37 tons of 200 grams. per person per month.
    © Letter from the Deputy Head of the Trade Department of the Perm Regional Executive Committee I.N. Volkov to the Perm Regional Committee of the CPSU about the results of the audit of the Chusovsky auction. April 11, 1980

    And then they are surprised that the people have lost faith in the bright future towards which they are moving under the wise leadership of the Communist Party, and wanted something strange.
  13. 0
    9 June 2025 12: 38
    Their indignant minds are seething. It's a pity there is no laughing smiley here.
  14. 0
    9 June 2025 12: 55
    That is, the publicity was one-sided.

    It was not glasnost.
    It was about level 404 brainwashing.
  15. +1
    9 June 2025 15: 42
    One of the reasons, as I see it, for our country's problems is the swing from one extreme to another. Sometimes we walk around with portraits of the Tsar, sometimes we shoot him in the basement. Sometimes the USSR is a rotten scoop for us, sometimes it's the country's golden age. There is no reasonable middle ground. China is smarter in this regard, perhaps. Take even the fate of the last emperor of Manchukuo.
    The ex-emperor spent the last years of his life in Beijing – he got a job at the Botanical Garden, where he grew orchids. He no longer claimed or asked for anything. He was polite, courteous, and modest with people. And he even found another life partner.
    The role of an ordinary Chinese citizen did not upset Pu Yi very much. He did what he liked: growing flowers and worked on his biography, entitled From Emperor to Citizen. The book pleased Mao Zedong, was published in China, and sold widely. On the wave of this success, in 1961 Pu Yi even joined the Communist Party and became an employee of the State Archives, and then became a member of the Political Consultative Council of the PRC. This was a new sharp turn in his unusual life.
    When he died, the Communist Party paid for all funeral expenses, thus showing respect to the last emperor of China. The body was cremated.

    Remembering the fate of Nicholas II with his chopping wood in the yard, it seems that his life could have ended the same way)
    1. -1
      9 June 2025 16: 41
      If the English had accepted him, his life could have ended the same way. But they first agreed to accept him, and then refused.
  16. 0
    10 June 2025 17: 46
    . Dogmas are chased by dogmas. The main thing is the economy. A good economy means there is money. And if there is money, then no one cares or keeps quiet about the fact that someone at the top is eating babies. The collapse of the USSR is an economic phenomenon, from the inability to manage and develop the economy. But the author did not reveal this.
    1. 0
      18 June 2025 15: 44
      The collapse of the USSR is a phenomenon of inability to manage and develop
      So for 70 years they were unable to manage and develop the economy, but at the same time in the 40s they managed to defeat a united Europe in 4 years?
  17. -1
    15 June 2025 00: 53
    ...This was an important step in the division of public property, in the decentralization of power and the strengthening of local authorities.
    To be continued ...

    "Perestroika" itself is a continuation, ... not even a continuation, but the penultimate episode. Soviet managers (who, unlike ordinary workers, were not limited to TV and newspapers to know about the state of affairs in the country) realized that "it's all over". And they began to solve the urgent problem in the usual way for several decades (only on a much larger scale) - "buy abroad" (this time THEIR commodity-money relations).
    The content of the article does not correspond to the title!
  18. -1
    17 June 2025 17: 57
    Stop whining about the USSR. Not everything is fine with Russia, and he keeps whining about the USSR!
    1. 0
      18 June 2025 15: 40
      Not everything is right with Russia

      The fact that not everything is well with Russia is precisely the consequence of the destruction of the USSR!
  19. +1
    18 June 2025 11: 32
    If you want to delve deeper into the topic, read the books by Kara-Murza. Which is Sergei, do not confuse with the politician Vladimir. His "Manipulation of Public Consciousness" sheds light on the times of the collapse of the USSR.
    1. 0
      18 June 2025 16: 46
      I think I have it. I'm ashamed. I haven't read it. recourse
  20. 0
    18 June 2025 15: 38
    Как
    ideals of freedom and democracy
    contradict the ideas of communism?