Soviet Generals Prepared for Nuclear World War II

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Soviet Generals Prepared for Nuclear World War II


World War II with Nuclear Missiles


The military elite of the USSR professed a strategy that was ruinous for the country, ineffective and stupid. Soviet generals, unfortunately, were preparing for a new edition of World War II – tank avalanches, large-scale aviation battles, plus a nuclear war. It was strategic schizophrenia, very ruinous for the state and the people.



In fact, The Soviet Union was preparing for practically two wars. The first was a nuclear missile war., using strategic aviation, ocean fleet (primarily nuclear submarines-cruisers), intercontinental missilesIn this war we had to hit the USA, which was out of reach for our armored armies.

The second is a land war in Europe. The main scenario is World War II with powerful tank wedges, a breakthrough of the front, massive air strikes. But with a nuclear addition.

Having detected signs of an attack by the NATO bloc, the Warsaw Pact forces launched a preemptive strike. Dozens of nuclear warheads were dropped on areas where enemy divisions were concentrated. The enemy's defenses were breached for 50-100 km. Airborne divisions were thrown into the rear of the demoralized enemy, which captured important bridges, bridgeheads, etc. At the same time, GRU special forces units, also transferred to the enemy's rear, destroyed headquarters, eliminated the enemy's "brain centers", disrupted communications, and captured missile bases. Then, armored strike forces from several Soviet fronts began an offensive in West Germany.

In two weeks, it was planned to completely capture the FRG, Denmark, Holland and Belgium. Then the Soviet troops would regroup and launch two powerful attacks: in the south of France with an exit to the Spanish border and in the north of France with the capture of Normandy.

In fact, this was Genghis Khan's strategy - an exit to the "last sea", to the Atlantic coast. For this, the Red Empire kept very expensive and powerful groups of the Soviet Army in East Germany, Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Plus it armed the allied armies of the Warsaw Pact members.

Obviously, in such a scenario, Europe would turn into a terrible battlefield, a real cemetery. Even worse than during World War II. Territories contaminated with radiation. Destroyed cities. Soviet divisions, caught in a retaliatory missile-nuclear, bomber-assault strike by the enemy Air Force, suffered huge losses. Terrible losses of civilians.

Obviously, this was a strategy of containment. Western Europe knew that a war would completely destroy their countries, so they would never dare to attack. But this strategy was monstrously expensive for the Soviet Union.

It was necessary not only to maintain powerful strike groups in Eastern Europe, constantly modernize them, conduct an arms race, but also to build mountains weapons - tanks, armored vehicles, guns, increasingly expensive missiles, which very quickly became obsolete.

By 1991, the USSR had 64 thousand tanks (two and a half times more than NATO countries), 67 thousand guns and mortars (twice more than NATO), 76 thousand infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 6 thousand aircraft (1,5 times more than NATO) and 437 combat ships of the 1st and 2nd ranks.

Conservative thinking


Soviet generals (like the Russian ones at the beginning of the Ukrainian campaign of 2022, who slept through the onset of the era of military drones) could not forget the era of World War II. My youth. That wars need to be fought differently. That new technologies have emerged that devalue previous military methods.

The first to suspect this was Khrushchev, whom I disliked very much, who started the first "perestroika" of the USSR, including in the military sphere. Khrushchev decided that with the advent of nuclear missile weapons, hundreds of divisions and an ocean fleet were not needed. Why overload the economy with the maintenance of a huge army and navy, churning out mountains of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, guns, etc.

True, Khrushchev messed things up here too. The army was cut thoughtlessly and hastily, throwing out hundreds of thousands of combat officers, professionals with vast war experience. Military programs for the creation of advanced aircraft and ships that the country needed were put under the knife. New ships and aircraft that had already been built were put under the press. The Air Force and Navy, which were precisely what was needed in a modern war, were cut! It is not surprising that the military elite supported the palace coup of 1964, when Khrushchev was sent into retirement.

After this, the quantitative build-up of the USSR Armed Forces resumed. A major role in this process was played by the First Deputy Chief of the General Staff, Chief of Staff of the United Armed Forces of the Warsaw Pact member states Sergei Shtemenko. He was Chief of the General Staff in 1948-1952, but was removed from his post by Stalin. According to the memoirs of Konstantin Simonov, Shtemenko wrote denunciations of the USSR Minister of War Vasilevsky, which did not please Joseph Vissarionovich.

Interestingly, after Stalin's death, Shtemenko was again accused of informing. Thus, the USSR Minister of Defense Bulganin claimed that Shtemenko "reported various gossip to Stalin through Beria about some leading military officials." Shtemenko had to justify himself to Khrushchev.

After Stalin's death, Shtemenko was returned to Moscow, and he held a number of high staff positions: Chief of Staff of the Siberian Military District, Chief of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff, Chief of the Main Staff of the Ground Forces - First Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, Chief of the Main Organizational and Mobilization Directorate - Deputy Chief of the General Staff.

His successor was the Chief of the General Staff and First Deputy Minister of Defense, Marshal Nikolai Ogarkov (1977–1984). Ogarkov became the author of the doctrine of integral militarization and general, permanent mobilization of Soviet industry, which was a blow to the Soviet economy.

On the one hand, Ogarkov's plans were bold and decisive. In general, they copied the German blitzkrieg (the experience of the Second World War), but in a strengthened, larger-scale version. Before the offensive in Poland, on the Western Front and in the USSR, the Germans used special forces and paratroopers.

Numerous special forces and airborne troops were to work ahead of the advancing Soviet motorized rifle and tank divisions. At the decisive hour, special forces and paratroopers were to occupy headquarters, key command and transport system points, and destroy political and military decision-making centers. They planned to land special forces 500 km deep. Entire airborne divisions were also planned to be landed behind enemy lines. The USSR acquired the largest airborne troops in the world. No one thought about how many transport planes and people would be lost to enemy anti-aircraft fire.

Spetsnaz units were formed in all military districts and fleets of the USSR, the General Staff had its own spetsnaz. Spetsnaz units were constantly trained, studied the theater of military operations in Europe under the guise of sports, tourist, trade union and cultural delegations. Their actions were to be supported by agents on the ground, "sleeper cells" created in advance.

On the other hand, the USSR in peacetime supported a huge mass of people who did not produce anything, supported and produced a lot of military equipment. It supported huge land groups, which took a lot of money, fuel and scarce resources. The Union was preparing for two wars: a nuclear missile war and a land war. For a war on two fronts: against NATO and China. Divisions ready for war were kept on a huge front from Europe to Mongolia, Amur and the Kuril Islands.

The policy of maintaining huge, excessive ground forces continued into the 80s, when the Reagan administration launched a war of economic exhaustion against the USSR, a Star Wars-style information war that drew Moscow into an arms race.

These resources were then insufficient for breakthrough space programs that gave the Red Empire a perspective, a future (not counting the secondary influence on the development of civilian industries). For the development of Siberia and the Far East. For housing construction, science and education. For the village and the sanatorium-resort program. For the development of the food and light industries.


Chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces N. V. Ogarkov inspects Soviet troops in Syria, 1984

Preparing for a war on two fronts


Soviet generals were sure that the war with the West would be protracted (the moral trauma of World War II). In order not to repeat 1941, it was necessary to churn out more armor and equipment in advance, and for industry to be able to make even more. As a result, they were preparing thousands of units of equipment that were no longer needed for a war that would not happen. Because NATO was not going to attack in the style of Hitler. They were developing plans for nuclear missile strikes on the USSR.

As a result, they created a powerful, colossal land army with 64 thousand tanks, but this did not save the country, since it was destroyed by the rotten top brass of the USSR.

The Soviet generals, instead of finding an innovative solution to the problem, were constantly looking to the past. Usually they took quantity, not quality.

For example, in the early 80s, there was a threat of war with China. China began to grow economically when it signed an agreement with the United States, and the population of the Celestial Empire grew rapidly. There was a threat of the Chinese absorbing Vietnam and Mongolia. Given the enormous demographic potential of China, which could potentially field up to 30 million soldiers, something had to be done.

Reasonable people understood that there was no serious threat. The possible huge armies of the PRC were very vulnerable. China did not have a developed transport infrastructure like it does now. Their aviation, tanks, artillery and missiles - obsolete types. Therefore, the offensive will be easy to stop, disorganize with missile strikes, you can hit the vanguards with tactical nuclear charges. The Soviet Air Force will quickly seize air supremacy and simply wipe out all the obsolete Chinese armadas. You can create a threat of a strike on the decision-making centers, scaring the Chinese leadership.

That is, to counteract the potential Chinese threat in the 80s, it was enough to create a relatively small mobile group in the Far East, reinforced by the Air Force, high-precision weapons, and missile units.

However, Soviet generals began to act in the style of the 30s. They proposed to create a system of fortified areas on the Far Eastern border, like Finland, France or the USSR in the pre-war period of the 30s. And in a short time. At the same time, the USSR was engaged in an arms race with NATO and was fighting in Afghanistan.

It is good that these plans were not implemented. On the initiative of the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR Kosygin, the military proposals were transferred to the Academy of Sciences for independent examination. A mathematical model was built at the Institute of Systems Analysis of the USSR Academy of Sciences, taking into account the dynamics of China's population, its economic growth, and military capabilities. The calculations were brought to specific numbers - the number of divisions, tanks, aircraft, etc., which the country will have in a 20-year perspective (by the year 2000) under various development scenarios.

As a result, it became clear that there was no need to create fortified areas and deploy a number of new units. China could not afford to prepare for war with the USSR, as this would lead to the destruction of the economy. Moscow was able to save a lot of money and resources. In this particular case, military bureaucrats were able to be reined in.

Thus, the late USSR Armed Forces were infected with the virus of bureaucracy. The interests of officials in uniform turned out to be higher than the interests of the state and the people. It was a real bureaucratic Golem, absorbing the resources of our civilization and playing into the hands of our Western enemies.

Unfortunately, after the collapse of the USSR, things got even worse. In addition to the military bureaucrats and peacetime generals, careerists and opportunists, there were also outright corrupt thieves. The skills of waging war, even in the style of the Second World War, were lost. They began to copy Western reforms to turn the Armed Forces into police and punitive contingents.
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  1. + 20
    6 June 2025 04: 15
    The Soviet generals, instead of finding an innovative solution to the problem, were constantly looking to the past
    "Generals are always preparing for the last war"
    1. +9
      7 June 2025 19: 32
      Yes, the author is completely wrong. But it is possible that the article was commissioned. The USSR was lagging behind the USA, and therefore, practically, it was defending itself. And that is why our grandfathers and fathers created the Strategic Missile Forces not for war, but for deterrence, for parity of forces. If the USSR dreamed of fighting with nuclear weapons, it would not have built expensive AWACS stations. They are one of the main components of defense. But the USA scattered its nuclear weapons all over the world, all over, almost 1000 military bases and it is unknown from which base the...
      But since at that time all the missiles of the Strategic Missile Forces already had flight missions for US cities and NATO countries, the enemy was afraid to press the button and tried to create an ideal defense, even moving the attacking and defensive elements into space. Unfortunately, in 1994 Yeltsin removed the flight missions and the missiles stood like firewood.
  2. + 16
    6 June 2025 04: 34
    The military elite of the USSR professed a strategy that was ruinous for the country, ineffective and stupid. Soviet generals, unfortunately, were preparing for a new edition of World War II – tank avalanches, large-scale air battles, plus a nuclear war. It was strategic schizophrenia, very ruinous for the state and the people.

    We watch the Gulf War and the war against Yugoslavia and we understand that the author, to put it mildly, is wrong.
    1. +7
      6 June 2025 05: 05
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The second one is, to put it mildly, wrong.

      The author simply doesn’t know how it should have been, he knows that what happened was wrong.
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Watching the Gulf War

      I'm already tired of looking at it and realizing that no one at our General Staff even tried to take it apart.
      1. +6
        6 June 2025 09: 46
        Quote: Puncher
        I'm already tired of looking at it and realizing that no one at our General Staff even tried to take it apart.

        If you start to analyze it, it won’t turn out well at all, in 1991 the 7th US Army Corps, against which our troops were supposed to operate in Europe, went to take exams for professional suitability in the Gulf, three years later in 94 we had our first Chechnya, from captain and above all the officers were still Soviet.
        1. +5
          6 June 2025 12: 03
          Quote: Skif3216
          Three years later, in 94, we had our first Chechnya, and from captain on up, all officers were still Soviet.

          Yes. But our units of the GSVG, as well as those in the Belarusian and Kiev military districts, should have been considered equal to the 7th Army. And not what we left for ourselves after the collapse of the USSR.
          1. +5
            6 June 2025 12: 21
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Yes. But our GSVG units, as well as those in the Belorussian and Kiev military districts, should have been considered equal to the 7th Army.

            Was Chechnya in 94 really at the level of Iraq in 91?
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            And not what we left for ourselves after the collapse of the USSR

            Do you mean that all the smart warrant officers, officers, generals and managers remained abroad?
            1. +3
              6 June 2025 12: 48
              Quote: Skif3216
              Was Chechnya in 94 really at the level of Iraq in 91?

              And were the Russian Armed Forces really on par with the US Armed Forces in terms of funding in 1994? Or should we remember that 15 people had to be gathered from scratch for the first assault on Grozny? And yes, the Chechens - not even the Iraqis - fought to the death in the city.
              Quote: Skif3216
              Do you mean that all the smart warrant officers, officers, generals and managers remained abroad?

              Intelligence is not enough. Soldiers also need to be trained in military affairs and have well-coordinated units.
              1. +1
                6 June 2025 13: 00
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Were the Russian Armed Forces really at the same level as the US Armed Forces in terms of funding in 1994?

                No, but it was the same in the 80s and 70s, should the Yankees wait? Well, to be fair.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                And yes, the Chechens - not the Iraqis at all - stood to the death in the city.

                Did the Arabs fail again? They still say that the forcibly mobilized TRoshniks are fighting to the death.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Or should we remember that 15 people had to be gathered from scratch for the first assault on Grozny?

                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Intelligence is not enough. Soldiers also need to be trained in military affairs and have well-coordinated units.

                Who should do this? Scientists? Agronomists? Turners? Or are there people in the state to whom it has been giving enhanced rations for many years and providing early retirement, in 91 it was still okay, there was no order, we were deceived, and in 94, where did everyone go? After all, they took the oath, after all, everyone in the country had a hard time.
                1. +4
                  6 June 2025 13: 25
                  Quote: Skif3216
                  No, but it was like that in the 80s and 70s too.

                  Excuse me, but I have some vague doubts... How old are you, if it's not a secret?
                  In the 80s, the GSVG was hell on wheels. They sent top military and political fighters there and drove them very seriously. Things were a little worse in the border districts, but even there they supplied and trained fighters conscientiously. That is, there were highly combat-ready and well-coordinated units there.
                  Next, we allow Germany to reunite, the GSVG is practically destroyed - it was simply disbanded with discharges to the reserve. The most combat-ready districts go to Ukraine and Belarus - newly formed states. With all supplies, military equipment, etc.
                  And the Russian Federation is left with training schools and regular units, which are already being staffed from reserves for the second wave of the general missile-nuclear war. And there is no money for the few regular divisions with more or less full staff. In those years, they tried to organize 5 (FIVE) full-fledged brigades for all ground forces, and even then there was not enough money. And that's it. No exercises, no training - nothing. And so - for several years in a row. The result - if my memory serves me right - out of 9 regiments that went to storm Grozny - 6 officially combined. And unofficially, to staff ALL the units, they pulled fighters from wherever they could. Well, they gathered a crowd from different units, the officers do not know their soldiers, they do not know their officers, they have never acted together because they have never acted at all, except for the basic skills of assembling and disassembling a machine gun or driving a tank - basically nothing.
                  Quote: Skif3216
                  Who should do this? Scientists? Agronomists? Turners?

                  This is primarily required to be done by the country's leadership, which must finance the Armed Forces at an acceptable level. If it does not do this, then nothing will happen.
                  The question is not "who", the question is "with what money", because, excuse me, any training is a bit like fuel/ammunition/equipment resource consumption and so on and so forth. If this is not the case, then the question "who" loses its meaning.
                  1. +7
                    6 June 2025 13: 54
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    The GSVG is practically destroyed - it was simply disbanded with discharges to the reserve. The most combat-ready districts are going to Ukraine and Belarus - newly formed states. With all supplies, military equipment, etc.

                    Who fought in Afghanistan? Where did they go? During the stay of Soviet troops in Afghanistan (from December 25, 1979 to February 15, 1989), about 620 thousand servicemen went through the war, in the GSVG I practically did not see them for 2 years, although we really did go on a lot of exercises, though mostly for show.
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    And the Russian Federation is left with training schools and cadre units, which are already being staffed from reserves for the second wave of the general missile-nuclear war. And there is no money for the few cadre divisions of more or less full staff. In those years, they tried to organize 5 (FIVE) full-fledged brigades for all ground forces, and even then there was not enough money.

                    Was the elite brought to Chechnya? Or are there different people there?
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Well, they gathered a crowd from different units, the officers don't know their soldiers, the soldiers don't know their officers, they've never acted together because they've never acted at all, except for the basic skills of assembling and disassembling a machine gun or driving a tank - basically nothing.

                    Are the generals responsible for this or not?
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    The question is not "who", the question is "with what money", because, excuse me, any training is a bit like fuel/ammunition/equipment resource consumption and so on and so forth.

                    Afghanistan is the beginning, columns are moving without reconnaissance, they are falling into ambushes, there are losses (my brother served there), they stopped driving without reconnaissance, Chechnya is the beginning, columns are moving without reconnaissance, the Second Chechen, the same picture, 2008 Georgia, columns are moving without reconnaissance, commander Khrulyov meets danger head-on. 2022........
                    Is it really a money issue here?
                    1. -2
                      6 June 2025 14: 08
                      Quote: Skif3216
                      Who fought in Afghanistan? Where did they go?

                      Dembel - came out in '89
                      Quote: Skif3216
                      Was the elite brought to Chechnya? Or are there different people there?

                      What elite?:)))) They gathered everyone they could scrape together
                      Quote: Skif3216
                      Are the generals responsible for this or not?

                      No. If a general does not have the means to maintain and train his units, it is not the general's fault.
                      Quote: Skif3216
                      Chechnya has begun, columns are moving without reconnaissance

                      There is no way to get away from the elements of debauchery in the army. The US is not protected from this - see friendly fire losses
                      1. +3
                        6 June 2025 17: 44
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Dembel - came out in '89

                        Warrant officers, officers, generals, are they all demobilized? Double basses?
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        What elite?:)))) They gathered everyone they could scrape together

                        Who fought against us? Where did so many quality fighters who "fought to the death in the city" come from? All mercenaries? Or former fighters of the Soviet army?
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        If a general does not have the funds to maintain and train his units, it is not the general's fault.

                        I agree, you can’t train tankers and pilots like that, but you can teach infantry to shoot and act as part of a unit; there are millions of rounds of ammunition in the warehouses, there was food, meager but there was food.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        There is no way to get anywhere in the army without elements of debauchery.

                        I agree, but is it the same thing over and over again? There is already a system here, the wars were fought with a difference of 5-6 years, almost all senior officers were on the ground and yet one gets the feeling that all the experience was forgotten as soon as the war ended.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The US is not immune to this - see friendly fire casualties

                        Yes, we haven't even mentioned the connection yet, there were problems with WWI. The Americans have enough problems too, but after Vietnam, conclusions were made.
                      2. -1
                        6 June 2025 18: 57
                        Quote: Skif3216
                        Warrant officers, officers, generals, are they all demobilized? Double basses?

                        Well, 2 divisions out of 4 limited contingents remained with Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. With the third we got Pasha-Mercedes. And with the rest of the units - in different ways, many also remained in the neighboring countries.
                        Then they scraped together double bass players from the bins - combined regiments, combined battalions.
                        Quote: Skif3216
                        Who fought against us? Where did so many quality fighters who "fought to the death in the city" come from? All mercenaries? Or former fighters of the Soviet army?

                        Yes, many served in the SA.
                        Quote: Skif3216
                        but infantry can be trained to shoot and act as part of a unit

                        That's how they taught. Only an infantry unit is not very serious, in street battles of those years you had to be able to use tanks, infantry and artillery. But what if even the infantry here is a mixed bag, not working together?
                        Quote: Skif3216
                        here the system is already visible

                        Of course, who can argue with that?
                        Quote: Skif3216
                        Yes, we haven’t remembered the connection yet, there are still problems with WWI.

                        It is what it is
                        Quote: Skif3216
                        The Americans have enough problems too, but after Vietnam, conclusions were drawn.

                        That's not the case in everything - they have enough of their own problems. They pulled out Storm in a Teacup thanks to the excellent work of the Air Force, the superiority of the equipment (they shot at the tanks with thermal imagers from where the Iraqis couldn't see them, and the complete passivity of the Iraqis).
                      3. +2
                        6 June 2025 19: 48
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Of course, who can argue with that?

                        The current situation is an example of this, what were the gentlemen generals doing there? They have been pouring money into the army since 2010, training as much as they want, we knew what it was all heading towards since 2019, there was the example of Karabakh.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        They pulled out Storm in a Teacup thanks to the excellent work of the Air Force, the superiority of the equipment (they shot at the tanks with thermal imagers from where the Iraqis could not see them, and the complete passivity of the Iraqis).

                        Well, in theory, this is the job of the General Staff - to create technical and material superiority.
                    2. -1
                      6 June 2025 15: 45
                      Quote: Skif3216
                      Was the elite brought to Chechnya? Or are there different people there?

                      There were simply no people in Chechnya. On paper, before the first assault on Grozny, Pulikovsky had a brigade and two regiments with reinforcements. But in fact:
                      In total, the group consisted of 4097 people, 82 tanks, 211 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), 64 guns and mortars.

                      The combined detachment of the 131st Brigade under the command of Colonel I. Savin numbered 1469 personnel, 42 BMP-2, 26 T-72A tanks and 16 artillery pieces.
                      The 81st regiment under the command of Colonel A. Yaroslavtsev numbered 1331 people (including 157 officers, it is characteristic that 66 officers in the platoon-company link had only a military department of a civilian university behind them), 96 infantry fighting vehicles, 31 tanks (T-80BV and several T-80B) and 24 artillery pieces (self-propelled guns "Gvozdika").
                      The 276th regiment, under the command of Colonel A. Bunin, numbered 1297 men, 73 BMP-1s, 31 tanks (T-72B1) and 24 artillery pieces.
                      1. +2
                        6 June 2025 17: 54
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        There were simply no people in Chechnya.

                        This is understandable, but there was also plenty of outright sloppiness. I meant where did so many motivated, trained fighters come from on that side of Chechnya?
                        Andrey did mention that
                        The most combat-ready districts go to Ukraine and Belarus, while the Russian Federation is left with training centers and cadre units.

                      2. -2
                        6 June 2025 19: 00
                        Quote: Skif3216
                        I meant where did so many motivated, trained fighters come from on that side of Chechnya?

                        Chechens, sir! Their adats, methods of education, morals and customs - a very big force in terms of motivation. SA gave them skills. But in general, when they started to fight intelligently, as it should be, they were broken.
                    3. 0
                      11 June 2025 16: 48
                      No, it's not about money. It's about "our best traditions". And it's always been like that - the Great Patriotic War, both Chechens, the SVO...
              2. +1
                6 June 2025 13: 22
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Chechens - not even the Iraqis, they fought to the death in the city

                No amount of courage or bravery will help against a trained army.
                1. +3
                  6 June 2025 13: 27
                  Quote: Puncher
                  No amount of courage or bravery will help against a trained army.

                  And to train the army you need a little money. Which you didn't have.
                  1. +2
                    6 June 2025 13: 31
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    And to train the army you need a little money. Which you didn't have.

                    Andrey, there is a saying, "A hat fits a man." If you can't maintain an army capable of winning, don't start a war.
            2. 0
              3 October 2025 02: 49
              After being withdrawn to the open fields of the Urals and Siberia, the soldiers from the GSVG quit their jobs.
        2. +3
          6 June 2025 17: 09
          There was a bloody storming of Grozny, but it is not the soldiers and officers who are to blame, but those who sent them to storm it.
          By March 1995, the Chechens were backed up against the wall, but police checkpoints appeared again, which let everyone through for money, deals and betrayal of the country's leadership. Then there was August 1996, when the Ministry of Internal Affairs again screwed up Grozny, and the Swan bird appeared with Khasovyurt.
          When Budyonnovsk was attacked, there were no military units within 200 km. Not counting two aviation regiments and a school for border guard dog handlers.
    2. +1
      6 June 2025 06: 34
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      tank avalanches, large-scale air battles

      Basically, high-quality high-tech products of the military-industrial complex had to be profitably traded and the markets for such equipment squeezed out of Western countries. For example, it was possible to supply weapons to the Chinese instead of developing local industry there, the GDR, a number of developed and solvent countries of foreign Asia, Asia and even the rebellious Europeans. Then this is not a burden on the economy and a factor in its development. And this must be done now, otherwise it is even more impossible to maintain a military-industrial complex that ensures security relevant to realities. Therefore, it is important, for example, to abandon the practice of transferring obsolete equipment to any other countries - it must be only new, effective and exclusively purchased by them, and not received as a gift, and not at all exhibits that are given truancy in museums.
      1. +1
        6 June 2025 06: 37
        Well, trade, and especially the transfer of weapons, is absolutely not the prerogative of the generals...
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  3. -3
    6 June 2025 05: 11
    Soviet generals, unfortunately, were preparing for a new edition of World War II – tank avalanches, large-scale air battles, plus nuclear war.

    The Soviet generals were preparing for the war that the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee had planned. The Soviet generals could not show any initiative, they only trumped and said "Yes!" Therefore, the accusation against the Soviet generals (and marshals) was clearly unfair.
    1. +2
      6 June 2025 13: 59
      Quote: Puncher
      Soviet generals were preparing for that war

      No one even tried to twitch against our country! Remember the events in Hungary, Czechoslovakia... Did anyone from the Western world twitch to help the rebels? The army was five million. I served in the Central Group of Forces... They drove us, to training grounds, exercises... The latest technology, trained units...
      1. +6
        6 June 2025 14: 03
        Quote: 30 vis
        No one even tried to attack our country.

        Well, there was no “our” money in Western banks back then.
  4. +7
    6 June 2025 06: 04
    1. The main victory of the USSR in the Cold War was achieving REAL nuclear parity with the USA and NATO by 1975. After that, there was an unspoken rule that the USSR and the USA competed relatively peacefully in economics and propaganda (with other space races and sports Olympics), and fought "head-on" only in Third World countries and then with the hands of Arabs, blacks and other Asians.
    2. It is wrong to claim that the USSR Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces were only capable of global thermonuclear massacres or the classics with tank wedges and carpet bombings. There was also a competently conducted "proxy war" in Vietnam, and "healthy man's NVO" in Czechoslovakia.
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      0
      7 June 2025 22: 19
      Quote: severok1979
      The main victory of the USSR in the Cold War was the achievement of REAL nuclear parity with the USA and NATO by 1975.

      And I, without bending or trying to catch up, would like to celebrate May 9 as the USSR’s main victory.
      Leave the parity and semantic content of "his arrival" for the study of your History by your descendants.
      The Cold War, over which the (non)pathologist leaned, cannot be exhumed, it is premature... soldier
      What victory was spoken about here?
      Thanks to every combine operator for his work.
  5. +4
    6 June 2025 06: 13
    We must remember that it was capitalism that gave the world two world wars. Capitalism that went haywire in its development. The author's reproach is partially right. There was an arms race. Our diplomacy nevertheless took a peaceful position. "Better a thousand days of negotiations than one day of war" - Gromyko. We had many allies only due to the peaceful direction. The reproach about drones is also in vain. The launch of the Buran drone opened up great opportunities that we did not use.
    1. +1
      8 June 2025 11: 28
      We must remember that it was capitalism that gave the world two world wars.


      Capitalism is not some kind of monster, capitalism is people and it was people who started these wars and people fought with each other long before capitalism and the reason for any war is people, their ambitions, their conflicts

      The launch of the Buran drone opened up great opportunities that we did not use.


      And what opportunities did it open up?
  6. +4
    6 June 2025 07: 27
    But wasn't the same thing happening in the West? And that's where the 2 world wars came from.
    1. man
      +4
      6 June 2025 09: 20
      Quote: Olgovich
      But wasn't the same thing happening in the West? And that's where the 2 world wars came from.

      So the USSR was right? I can't believe my eyes, have you finally found anything positive in the Soviet Union? smile hi
  7. +7
    6 June 2025 07: 56
    Soviet Generals Prepared for Nuclear World War II

    Some kind of flashy tabloid style headline. As if we already had nuclear weapons before WWII :((
    1. man
      +6
      6 June 2025 09: 23
      Quote from solar
      Soviet Generals Prepared for Nuclear World War II

      Some kind of flashy tabloid style headline. As if we already had nuclear weapons before WWII :((

      Yeah... and in general the author does a better job with the Russians... much more fun
  8. 0
    6 June 2025 08: 02
    The author forgot about the main bureaucrats of that time in the army and navy, about the political officers-chatterboxes. If we translate them into their analogue in the civilian life of the Brezhnev USSR, then there are words about them in the song from the film "Forgotten Melody for Flute": - "We do not plow, do not sow, do not build, we are proud of the social system ..." So are these, only in the army and navy. And about denunciations. If Shtemenko wrote denunciations on the Minister of Defense, then you have no doubt that your Shtemenko is only from among the political officers, someone must have been in a regiment in the army or on a large ship in the navy. Line officers and even special officers in regiments and on, for example, cruisers of project 68-bis were afraid of them. There was also a regular special officer there.
    As for the developments in the Brezhnev era for the army and navy, the design bureaus, military research institutes, etc. also had their own political officers, who were called party organizers. Also from the cohort ... we don’t plow, we don’t sow, we don’t build ... By the way, about sowing. The collective and state farms also had their own political officers, who were also called party organizers and they were from the same cohort ... And we wanted the USSR to exist for a long time with such an invasion? . It’s still good that it lasted fifty years after the Great Patriotic War on the foundation laid
    Stalin's Bolshevik commissars and Stalin's political instructors. They should never be confused or compared with Brezhnev's political officers and party organizers. Incidentally, it was precisely the latter who, under Yeltsin, very quickly and skillfully changed their tune right in the air, fell to their knees at the altars and on the porch, crossing themselves and renouncing the fact that they had recently been proud of the social system. It must be taken into account that even now they do not sow, do not plow, do not build and are already proud of the current system...
  9. + 13
    6 June 2025 08: 15
    Oh, mein Gott! Alexander is now not only telling an alternative history, he has also taken up an alternative military case...
    1. +2
      6 June 2025 23: 51
      I understood who the author was from the first paragraph, highlighted in bold, and did not continue reading. Another chapter of alternative history, this time the whole truth about Soviet generals. For me, this is equivalent to contemplating the works of abstract artists. Woe from Wit (I am talking about myself).

      P.S. It will be interesting to read the history of Soviet hockey from Samsonov.
  10. +9
    6 June 2025 09: 02
    But after 1991 all the mistakes were corrected. Russia has a small army, it has missiles that no one else in the world has. But it had to fight with Ukraine and it turned out that there was no one and nothing to break through the front.
    1. 0
      6 June 2025 09: 31
      Quote: hermit
      and it turned out that there was no one and nothing to break through the front with.

      We should gather all the armchair strategists and analysts and break through the front.
      Well, we are not fighting with Ukraine, but with the West, and they have admitted it: a proxy war, if in fashion. This is when the Kokhlyak pig meat fearlessly breaks through the front line, at the behest of its Western friends.
      As for the article, it, the article, is simply stupid.
    2. +1
      6 June 2025 14: 07
      Quote: hermit
      But after 1991 all the mistakes were corrected.

      Sarcasm?
      1. 0
        10 June 2025 18: 10
        He is the one. How else can you react?
  11. +5
    6 June 2025 09: 11
    A, Samsonov, spoke very incoherently about the Soviet generals, infected in his opinion with the virus of military bureaucracy.
    In my opinion, it was the armadas of our tanks and planes that held back the enemy invasions.
  12. -5
    6 June 2025 10: 11
    Interesting topic. The author, as usual, compiles different sources, seasoning them with his chaotic emotionality. But the main idea, alas, is correct. Late Soviet The military strategy was wrong and ruinous. Its main problem was that it took as its main message a situation that could never happen (and which did not happen) - an invasion of NATO ground forces into Eastern Europe. With the simultaneous accumulation of ever-increasing quantities of nuclear weapons (to insure against a US attack), chemical and biological weapons, and with the simultaneous increase in the ground grouping in the Far East to repel a major invasion from China (which no one had planned either). And all this with the official policy of peaceful existence. This made an absurd impression, and in fact it was.
    However, the reason for this is not the rigidity of thinking of Soviet generals or the “military bureaucracy”; military strategy is always a derivative of political strategy, and decisions were not made by generals.
    The problem is in the accumulation of errors in the entire foreign policy strategy of the USSR, starting with Khrushchev. Incorrect and contradictory goals began to be set, and the military strategy began to fail, just like the system of training and selection of party and ideological personnel, the economy, etc.
    That is, if the author is already describing the consequences (the fallacy of military doctrine), he should describe the reasons - why it was adopted, where and why the failure occurred.
    1. 0
      6 June 2025 18: 12
      Quote: Belisarius
      Its main problem is that it took as its main message a situation that could never happen (and which did not happen) - an invasion of NATO ground forces into Eastern Europe.

      Actually, it did happen, but not quite as large-scale as people thought. Yugoslavia was a kind of European rehearsal. As for the negative impact of defense efforts, the mistake there was in the fact that it was necessary to systematically grow and expand the civilian consumer economy, ahead of its military-industrial sector.
  13. +7
    6 June 2025 10: 31
    Shame. Not an article, but a laughing stock. Nothing is said about the aggressive actions of Western countries. Repeating the mistakes made by Ukraine. Under any circumstances, if there is a threat, it is necessary to strengthen the borders. I can only be glad that I have only a mediocre relationship with the current government. On the other hand, I am simply afraid for my country, Russia, and not the Russian Federation.
  14. +9
    6 June 2025 10: 41
    What a strange feeling this article evokes!
    "The generals were preparing for a war that would never happen..."
    It's as if he were a time traveler, confusing cause and effect. Maybe it didn't happen because the generals were preparing, and so was the country.
    Assessing the psychology of a people who have just experienced the breath of their own destruction is quite an occupation. Are you sure, Alexander, that you, having received death notices for almost all the men in the village, with the exception of three invalids, or having survived among the almost completely destroyed inhabitants of Novgorod, would not consider that nothing would be a pity in order to prevent something like this from happening again?
    But our enemy was even more powerful and serious than the Third Reich with its satellites - all of Western Europe and the USA with Canada, Japan, Turkey, and then China was added, which was quite dangerous.
    Was there another option?
    Was!
    And, unfortunately, we followed it, Gorbachev and Yeltsin effectively capitulated, destroyed the country, and it cost us no less than the Great Patriotic War.
    I do not idealize Soviet generals, I have seen all sorts, including fantastically greedy, or surprisingly for such ranks illiterate, thoughtlessly cruel to those below, blatant criminals. Although, Leonid Govorov's son Vladimir, who rose to the rank of army general, from whom I even have a medal, is a living exception to the stereotype of "sons", a very real general in all respects.
    But let's look at the result.
    Did they want to destroy us, dismember us, push us aside, colonize us?
    And how!
    Have they even made a move, not counting the test proxy wars in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Angola?
    Even during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
    But now we've been fighting with Ukraine for four years! If you told those generals back then, they'd have killed you with a prize revolver for an unfunny joke.
    1. -1
      6 June 2025 12: 03
      Quote: faterdom
      Assessing the psychology of a people who have just experienced the breath of their own destruction is a rather difficult task.

      You have a good message. Emotion, lyricism, poetic anguish, everything is touching. But absolutely not to the point. If we talk about military strategy based on the emotions of an individual, we will immediately come to a complete failure.
      Quote: faterdom
      Was there another option? And, unfortunately, we followed it, Gorbachev and Yeltsin effectively capitulated, destroyed the country

      I will also write with the help of lyrical analogies. Here is a man who got sick, not very badly, but got sick. And then he jumped from the 15th floor and died. Is his suicide "another option" regarding his illness? And does the fact of suicide cancel out the very existence of this illness? I still think that it does not. Suicide is not an alternative, and "another option" regarding a real illness is health.
      Quote: faterdom
      But now we've been fighting with Ukraine for four years! If you told those generals back then, they'd have killed you with a prize revolver for an unfunny joke.

      And that's true. I'll say even more: if you told someone in 1985 that the RSFSR would fight the Ukrainian SSR, they wouldn't even consider him a spy, they would immediately put him in a madhouse. However, the market-capitalist reality is crazier than any darkest dystopia. However, the problem is that the current criminal madness does not cancel out the fact of mistakes in the past. The fact that the current generals are nothing compared to the Soviet ones does not cancel out the mistakes in the old military strategy (for which, by the way, the generals are not to blame).
      Quote: faterdom
      Maybe it didn’t happen because the generals were preparing, and so was the country.

      The problem here is that the author was unable to coherently explain what the essence of the Soviet post-war strategy actually was. Therefore, he was unable to identify the cause of the errors.
      The topic is big, but in short, the decision to create large groups in Eastern Europe hanging over Western Europe was made during the time of Stalin and was on that moment absolutely correct. We didn't have nuclear weapons and the point was that in the event of a nuclear attack on the USSR, our group of troops would then break through the weak defense and take Europe. That is, it was a safety belt in the conditions lack of nuclear weapons and reliable means of delivery.And with the concept of incompatibility of the two systems. However, in the 1970s-80s, we already had more than 10 warheads in strategic nuclear forces alone, not counting countless tactical, chemical weapons, etc. Under these conditions, maintaining huge land groups in Europe and the west of the country (and also accumulating equipment in storage in gigantic quantities) would have made at least some sense if we ourselves were planning to attack Europe. But this is precisely what did not happen. On the contrary, the concept of peaceful existence, peace to the world, etc. was adopted. Within the framework of this concept, this simply did not make sense. The same is true for China. Such gigantic groups were completely excessive for defense, but no one was planning to attack China themselves.
      1. +3
        6 June 2025 12: 36
        There were strategic vacillations (not among the generals, of course), from the fact that we have powerful and very unkind patient enemies (which is a priori true), to the fact that we have no enemies, everyone is friends, and we are not going to beat them (despite the fact that they have never even uttered or written such nonsense).
        But in matters of building the Armed Forces, there were correct (as is now clear) paths, there were dead ends, there were ruinously expensive dead ends, both for us and for them.
        For example, there was a series of brilliant articles about how we, having the best algorithms and mathematicians, lost the race in electronics and computers, although we could have either had parity or won... Here, personalities in the scientific and ministerial environment played a role. In connection, also indirectly for these reasons.
        Khrushchev's voluntarism also stopped the development of artillery, which we are actually faced with now, 60 years later.
        But missiles "began to be made like sausages", which Marshal Brezhnev already faced: should they continue to make many and cheap "like sausages", or should they focus on the quality and complexity of missile systems? They chose the latter, thanks to which we now beat the Americans in almost all classes of missiles, from strategic to operational-tactical.
        In reality, without intending to attack anyone (not in words), we have always prioritized developing air defense - the result is on the scoreboard, we were ahead and are ahead.
        In aviation we could not out-number them, but the quality of our combat aircraft and helicopters is at least no worse, and I think it will be better in combat.
        They didn't make aircraft carriers? And if you consider that this would have been instead of air defense systems, or a nuclear submarine fleet, then maybe it was right?
        Well, here's the cherry on the cake: well, here we are, hello, we don't have millions or large ground forces, fully equipped and trained, well, here they are, 2000 km of front, in the era of the next century after nuclear weapons, here is Stalin and AI, the birds are pecking painfully, and almost a positional war, with increasing efforts (and costs) on both sides.
        And let's answer ourselves honestly: what if there had been this million in 22, or even more so in 14, "everything could have been completely different"?
        So we insist that the post-war generals and politicians were... not like the current tribe?
        1. -3
          6 June 2025 16: 29
          Quote: faterdom
          But in matters of building the Armed Forces, there were correct (as is now clear) paths, there were dead ends, there were ruinously expensive dead ends, both for us and for them.

          Everything you write is true and wonderful. But you are going down a level, to the level of building individual branches of the military. There were, of course, major mistakes here, but overall everything was correct.
          The author writes about a grand strategy. Systemic errors have been accumulating here since the time of Khrushchev.
          The post-war situation was difficult, even the peaceful expansion of socialism was no longer possible, due to the US dominance at sea, in finance and the presence of nuclear weapons, it was necessary to compromise, to stop the revolution in Western Europe, but Stalin found the right way - the idea of ​​​​the incommensurability of systems, but at the same time strengthening the Soviet state, and very carefully squeezing the West out of the 3rd world through national liberation struggle. In military strategy, this is the creation of its own nuclear weapons, a group of troops in Europe as insurance while it is not there, and friendship with the PRC. But then his followers began to make mistakes, it was not betrayal, but simply mistakes.
          Khrushchev declared a policy of peaceful coexistence and economic race (in itself erroneous), but at the same time sharply increased aggressiveness in building socialism in the spirit of the 20s and quarreled with the PRC, Brezhnev removed aggressiveness in the 3rd world, reducing everything to a policy of detente. But at the same time he began to prepare for all wars simultaneously.
          But this is impossible, and simply unreasonable. It was necessary to choose one strategy, to understand what we really want.
          1. 0
            6 June 2025 19: 17
            I haven't gone down a level from the topic of the article: what and how the Soviet generals were preparing for. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
            But the generals did not determine the political and ideological direction, diplomacy and strategy in world politics, there the cult of personality of the General Secretaries ruled, and so we were thrown back and forth, back and forth and back again in accordance with each new personality in this post.
            I would actually erect a monument to Konstantin Chernenko; of all the General Secretaries, he turned out to be the most harmless.
  15. +3
    6 June 2025 10: 43
    Preparing for World War II with rockets,
    and we got World War I with drones.
  16. +6
    6 June 2025 10: 48
    The article contains a photograph and a caption underneath it: "Chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces N. V. Ogarkov inspects Soviet troops in Syria, 1984." You can clearly see the marshal getting out of the "bobik." And what kind of cars does our Chief of the General Staff drive? I remember Pasha-Mercedes was the trendsetter of driving Mercedes. And what about the current one? laughing
    1. 0
      9 June 2025 10: 18
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      The article contains a photograph, and under it the caption: "Chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces N. V. Ogarkov inspects Soviet troops in Syria, 1984." You can clearly see the marshal getting out of the "bobik." And what kind of cars does our Chief of the General Staff drive?

      So this is an inspection "in the field". The current generals also go to such places in some "Iveco".
      It would be strange if Ogarkov dragged the limousine he was entitled to by virtue of his position to troubled places. What did the Chief of General Staff have according to the Soviet table of ranks? A ZiL-4104?
  17. 0
    6 June 2025 12: 14
    The first to suspect this was Khrushchev, whom I disliked very much, who started the first "perestroika" of the USSR, including in the military sphere. Khrushchev decided that with the advent of nuclear missile weapons, hundreds of divisions and an ocean fleet were not needed.

    There is an opinion that the reduction of the army and navy were carried out as conditions for rapprochement with the States (Eisenhower). So to speak, the first detente, which did not take place.
  18. +5
    6 June 2025 12: 14
    Military programs for the creation of advanced aircraft and ships that the country needed were put under the knife.

    Quite the opposite. The programs for creating equipment for the last war were scrapped - cannon fighters, "cast iron" bombers and torpedo bombers, artillery ships.
    At the same time, fighters with air-launched missiles, air-launched missile carriers and missile ships were not only not reduced, but were actively built. Moreover, even old machines, modernized for missiles, continued to be built.
    Already built new ships and planes were put under pressure. The Air Force and Navy were cut, which were exactly what was needed in a modern war!

    They reduced what would become self-propelled targets in a future war.
    Let's take the Navy. The purely artillery cruisers of the Project 68-bis and the cruiser Project 82 went on the needles. Ships designed for the last war. If we take the 68-bis, then this is generally a slightly redesigned pre-war Project 68 with air defense, inferior even to foreign cruisers of military construction.
    But at the same time, the missile versions of the EM Project 56 and 57 continued to be built. The missile cruisers of Project 58 quietly entered service. Moreover, it was under Khrushchev that the mass construction of the BPK Project 61 was launched.

    The most interesting thing is that the Navy itself is largely to blame for the cessation of construction of the Project 68-bis cruise missiles. The Navy was presented with two projects in advance for converting these cruise missiles into air defense cruise missiles - with a complete replacement of the main battery with a SAM launcher or with the replacement of only the aft group of turrets. The Ministry of Shipbuilding Industry, which was usually at odds with the Navy, was even ready to begin work on the projects. But the documentation ended up in the Navy's carousel of modifications and improvements - and as a result, the cruise missiles remained artillery ones and fell under Khrushchev's steamroller.
    1. 0
      10 June 2025 02: 00
      Artillery ships were designed "for the last war", but they served until perestroika. Don't you see the contradiction?
  19. +4
    6 June 2025 12: 25
    On the other hand, the USSR in peacetime supported a huge mass of people who did not produce anything
    I wonder how it is nowadays, isn't it? What do the service sector and managers produce?
    1. +4
      6 June 2025 14: 11
      Quote: Aviator_
      What does the service sector and managers produce?

      The rules about swearing don't allow me to answer. hi
    2. +3
      6 June 2025 15: 47
      Quote: Aviator_
      What does the service sector and managers produce?

      What do you mean? GDP, of course! laughing
    3. 0
      10 June 2025 11: 17
      The service sector at least increases the depth of the division of labor. And the military not only produced nothing, but also consumed cyclopean volumes of metals and fuel.
  20. +1
    6 June 2025 18: 08
    To sum it up. The USSR did not understand how to fight, that's why they had a large army. Now they understand how to fight, that's why they don't have enough forces to finally defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine with powerful blows in the fourth year. The USSR churned out mountains of unnecessary weapons, tanks, missiles, artillery, armored vehicles. Now they understand how to fight. That's why everything is produced in small batches, practically invisible to the naked eye, and weapons of the red era of T-54 and M-46 technologies found in yet another forgotten storage facility are presented as uber-weapons crushing the Western Ukrainian demons into dust. And the loss of titans like the T-95MS is an irreparable loss for the empire. Of course, I try to adhere to the imperial doctrine, but for some reason I am gradually overcome by some vague doubts.
  21. +1
    7 June 2025 07: 00
    The military elite of the USSR professed a strategy that was ruinous for the country, ineffective and stupid. Soviet generals, unfortunately, were preparing for a new edition of World War II – tank avalanches, large-scale air battles, plus a nuclear war. It was strategic schizophrenia, very ruinous for the state and the people.

    And who is Samsonov anyway? What gives him the right to write like that about the Soviet army?
    * (then the author is addressed with a large and long list of words prohibited for use on VO)
  22. +3
    7 June 2025 08: 51
    After reading the article, I was left with a feeling of disgust and revulsion.
    In reality, Soviet generals prepared for war so well that no one wanted to test this readiness in practice, and the country enjoyed a peaceful life for half a century. At the same time, the country made a breakthrough in space and ensured a much higher standard of living for the population than it does now. When the Soviet Army was tasked with conducting the SVO in Hungary or Czechoslovakia, it was done quickly, clearly, and with almost no losses. The Soviet Army even captured Afghanistan overnight. For comparison, the US and its NATO sixes occupied Afghanistan in 2001 only after three months of carpet bombing, and they captured it not by themselves, but with the help of the "Northern Alliance" (Masoud's Army).

    At first I thought that the author was writing in Aesopian language and was in fact simply mocking modern Russia. After all, everything he mentioned - generals, the army, weapons, space programs, the development of Siberia and the Far East, housing construction, science, education, the village, health resort programs, food and light industry - in modern Russia, all of this is just a pathetic, dim shadow of the former Soviet greatness.

    And most importantly, he still accuses the USSR of producing a lot of weapons. And this is after modern generals, having spent Soviet reserves (even T-2 tanks!) in 54 years of the SVO and not having achieved any results, are forced to ask North Korea for weapons and ammunition. And that only the Soviet missile and nuclear shield saved Russia from the fate of Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq.

    All this is so obvious that I was sure that it was a deliberate mockery: like in the fable where a pig and a donkey are talking, but everyone understands who they are really talking about.
    But having reached the end and read the author’s name, I realized that no, and that he himself believes in his schizophrenic graphomania.

    I don't even know what to say here. To compare him to locusts that despise the peasant whose crops they have eaten would be too crude. Perhaps it would be better to compare him to a talentless, lazy son who squandered his father's inheritance, did nothing himself, and now reviles his late father for leaving him little and the wrong things.
    1. 0
      9 June 2025 10: 32
      Quote: The Meaning of Life
      Even Afghanistan was captured by the Soviet Army in one night. For comparison, the USA and its NATO stooges occupied Afghanistan in 2001 only after three months of carpet bombing, and they captured it not by themselves, but by the hands of the "Northern Alliance" (Masoud's Army).

      The USSR simply captured a friendly country. As they used to say back then - embarked on the path of socialist developmentIt would be like the US deciding to invade Honduras or Liberia in the 80s.
      Quote: The Meaning of Life
      And most importantly, he still accuses the USSR of producing a lot of weapons. And this is after the modern generals, having spent Soviet reserves (even T-2 tanks!) in 54 years of the SVO and not having achieved any results, are forced to ask for weapons and ammunition from North Korea.

      Or maybe if the USSR had produced less weapons, the SVO wouldn't have been needed? There are tons of weapons, and the cities that produce them have already switched to a rationing system.
      We, workers of the Ural Chemical Plant, cannot buy anything in our stores. There is absolutely nothing to feed the family. Is it really impossible to somehow improve the nutrition situation in our time? We demand to improve the supply of food products and be sure to introduce coupons for meat and dairy products, as was introduced in the cities of Sverdlovsk, N. Tagil, Kizel, Gubakha, Gorky, Izhevsk and others. Only then will we be able to somehow buy groceries after work.
      © Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the CPSU Central Committee and local party bodies with a request for the introduction of food stamps. May 1979
      And yes, in 1981 the Soviet press reported on the introduction of rationed distribution of butter in Chelyabinsk as well.
      1. -1
        9 June 2025 17: 45
        The USSR simply captured a friendly country. As they used to say, one that had embarked on the path of socialist development.
        In this "friendly country" a civil war was already raging. Moreover, the Soviet Army had to overthrow this very "friendly" regime of H. Amin. So the SA had no allies at all during the capture. Both the rebels and the government troops resisted.

        Or maybe if the USSR had produced fewer weapons, then the SVO would not have been needed?
        Are you even sane? The Soviet Union did not need the SVO. But Russia, which has almost stopped producing weapons (in comparison with the USSR), did. And for this it has to beg for weapons from North Korea and Iran!

        Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the Central Committee of the CPSU and local party bodies with a request to introduce food coupons.
        You'd think workers wouldn't ask for a pay raise these days. And how many workers are left anyway? What happened to that plant and thousands of others? Where did the people who worked there go?

        In 1981, the Soviet press reported on the introduction of rationed distribution of butter in Chelyabinsk as well.
        Give a link to this Soviet press. Although in principle it is possible, but still on average people ate better then. And such scenes were not observed.
        1. +3
          10 June 2025 10: 38
          Quote: The Meaning of Life
          In this "friendly country" a civil war was already raging.

          So the USSR did not seize areas with civil war. It seized pro-Soviet Kabul and Afghan army bases loyal to this Kabul.
          And only then did he get involved in a civil-religious war.
          Quote: The Meaning of Life
          Are you even sane? The Soviet Union didn't need the SVO.

          And that's what I'm talking about. If the USSR had thought less about selfless aid to countries that had embarked on the path of socialist development, and about catching up and overtaking both NATO and China at once - and had thought more about its own citizens, then the SVO would not have been needed simply because the USSR survived. The refrigerator would not have prevailed over the television, in which...
          The eyebrows are black and thick,
          long empty speeches.

          Quote: The Meaning of Life
          You'd think that workers aren't asking for a pay raise these days.

          That's the point, the factory workers were happy with their wages. What wasn't happy was that there was nothing to buy with them.
          Just think: the Moscow Olympics are about to begin, Soviet power has been around for more than half a century, the war ended 35 years ago. And in the world's first state of workers and peasants, these same workers are asking for coupons to be introduced so that they can get food. Moreover, they refer to the experience of large defense centers of the RSFSR, where such coupons have already been introduced.
          And all this against the backdrop of reports of steady growth and overfulfillment of collection and milk yield plans. smile
    2. 0
      10 June 2025 01: 58
      In general, everything was perfect, and the Martians carried out perestroika.
      1. 0
        10 June 2025 04: 58
        There is never anything ideal. There were many, many screw-ups. But everything is known in comparison. If you compare this with what the perestroika people did... And the most disgusting thing is that these same anti-Sovietists, having shit themselves from head to toe, make claims that they got a bad inheritance from the country they hate.
        1. +1
          10 June 2025 11: 14
          So did the perestroika people fly in from Mars or did they mature inside the Soviet system, like an abscess?
          For example, would the people have supported perestroika if there had been a chronic deficit in the USSR? And would there have been criminal and corrupt clans in the country that fed off the shadow economy if there had not been the same deficit?
  23. 0
    7 June 2025 15: 21
    Samson, it is very easy to evaluate things that happened almost 100 years ago! In general, the material is a pamphlet with a tearful liberal tone and no specific ideas. You are obviously young and think that you know everything better! But alas, you are far from the truth. Read more and draw the right conclusions, first of all for yourself.!.
  24. +1
    7 June 2025 21: 19
    Quite a controversial article. It is good to talk about the past now, when all the dots have been placed, but now many can predict what will happen even in the near future? Military affairs are a very responsible thing and it was necessary, and still is necessary, to play it safe. Who could have thought 6-8 years ago that the main weapon on the battlefield would be some small drone, that it could cause a lot of trouble? No one, I'm afraid that in the West, although this idea was developed, it was accepted with caution. And what happened? Powerful armored units, designed to break through enemy defenses, are covered by some chicken coops and are afraid to go out onto the battlefield without reconnaissance. This is equivalent to the invention of the machine gun, when only 4 machine guns were able to stop thousands of advancing aborigines in Africa. Time will pass and again they will come up with something out of the ordinary for war. Such is life.
    1. 0
      10 July 2025 10: 39
      easy

      In fact, drones are a very old idea. The first experiments with them began in the USSR, Germany and the USA even before World War II. During World War II, drones were already used by all these countries. Yes, the USSR also used drones. These were teletanks and unmanned bombers. However, without much success. The German work on drones is well known - V-2 rockets and gliding guided bombs. But this is because the Germans made a very noisy advertisement.
      Generally speaking, the Americans started using drones more or less on a massive scale during the Vietnam War. Their initiative was picked up by Israel in the 80s. The USSR also used several models of UAVs.
      But the truly massive use of drones began with the war in Donbass, in 2014. So, there was no revolution, but simply a smooth evolution. Firearms also evolved, compare the "Kalashnik" with ancient arquebuses and arquebuses. It's just that the process of evolution of firearms took centuries, and the process of evolution of drones - a little less than 100 years.
    2. 0
      15 September 2025 19: 51

      Who could have thought 6-8 years ago that the main weapon on the battlefield would be some small drone?

      In the late 70s, I worked with one aircraft modeler, and he, in response to the frivolity of his hobby, objected that aircraft models would give rise to means of reconnaissance and cargo delivery. We worked in a fairly large department of computer technology and automation and had an idea of ​​how to make a flight control panel from the existing component base.
  25. 0
    10 June 2025 01: 56
    The details are debatable, but overall it is correct.
  26. 0
    11 June 2025 15: 54
    Well... Samsonov is quite the strategist...
  27. 0
    11 June 2025 16: 51
    Quote: Skif3216
    Was the elite brought to Chechnya? Or are there different people there?
    They weren't taken out, they were brought in. By 95, there were no elite units left in the army....
  28. +1
    14 June 2025 09: 35
    Quote: Skif3216
    about the idea that this is the job of the General Staff to create technical and material superiority

    I disagree. The job of the General Staff is to keep officials from passing laws that interfere with the creation of new types of weapons and new technologies. And this should be done with the help of special forces and everyone else, except perhaps nuclear charges. (Although it may be applicable to a very large cluster)
    The US won in the Gulf twenty years earlier when it passed a law according to which all inventions made with a military grant remain the property of their authors, who are free to use them in civilian products.
  29. 0
    10 July 2025 10: 33
    "Corrupt thieves" appeared back in the days of the USSR. They couldn't "suddenly" appear in Russia, which essentially became a fragment of the USSR. The grabbers from the Soviet Army simply transferred to the RF Armed Forces. Theft existed even when I served in the Soviet Army.
    The author mentioned the Institute of Systems Analysis. But it was a pro-Western organization created by Western "agents of influence". And this "institute", as well as a number of figures, for example G.P. Shchedrovitsky (with his students), Shevardnadze, the "US Institute", etc., played a significant role in the collapse of the USSR. They did not personally collapse it, but they created a "mess" in the minds of those who later collapsed it.
  30. 0
    13 August 2025 22: 46
    What World War II are you idiots clucking about? World War II ended in '45.
  31. 0
    14 August 2025 09: 53
    The article is a rare savagery of the perestroika era.
  32. 0
    15 September 2025 19: 42

    The military elite of the USSR professed a strategy that was ruinous for the country, ineffective and stupid. Soviet generals, unfortunately, were preparing for a new edition of World War II – tank avalanches, large-scale air battles, plus a nuclear war. It was strategic schizophrenia, very ruinous for the state and the people.

    Apparently, after every fight in his dreams, the author always emerges victorious.
    In such global plans as strategic planning for a future war, many factors must be taken into account, and the reliability of many of them is questionable. Nevertheless, the task at hand must be accomplished, and many decisions are made intuitively, based on existing experience.
  33. +1
    3 October 2025 02: 54
    This article is completely wrong. They did what they could; they were on par with NATO in many respects. Without such an abundance of weapons, WW3 might have begun during the Brezhnev era. It was a necessary measure. It's easy to look at the past with modern hindsight. And why don't you consider the Cuban Missile Crisis?! The Warsaw Pact and NATO were constantly targeting each other! But Ogarkov was striving for something slightly different: communications and computers.
  34. 0
    13 October 2025 20: 43
    The whole article reads like a liberal propaganda piece for simple-minded fools. It's full of clichés about the USSR, like vodka-accordion-matryoshka dolls. There's nothing to discuss with the author.
  35. 0
    17 November 2025 14: 25
    Who financed this article once.
    Who is the author of Samsons?
    Two.
    I just want to drive a stake down the author's throat.