Concentration camps of the "beacons of democracy"

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Concentration camps of the "beacons of democracy"

One of the favorite topics of domestic and foreign "fighters for democracy" to this day is the deportation of small peoples of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War by the "horrible totalitarian Stalinist regime." However, they shamefully keep silent about the fact that the "beacons" of freedom in the USA and Canada did not disdain the same thing since the First World War. The victims of the repressions were local citizens of Japanese, German, Italian, etc. origin, who were quite loyal to their country of residence.

Even earlier, during the Anglo-Boer War of 1899-1902, the British pursued a policy of mass deportation and imprisonment of the civilian population of the Boer republics in concentration camps, which led to a huge number of victims from hunger and disease. In total, about 200 thousand people passed through the camps, 27 Boers died from hunger and disease. In general, every fourth prisoner died.






Exhausted Boers, prisoners of British concentration camps in South Africa

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, hundreds of thousands of Europeans poured into Canada in search of a better life and played a vital role in the local economy. In 1914, there were about 170 Ukrainians living there alone. However, with the outbreak of World War I, many of them became “enemy aliens” under the War Measures Act of August 22, 1914.

The definition of “enemies” was rather strange: along with people from countries that were at war with the British Empire (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey), there were “allied” Russians and Serbs, as well as Jews.

80 were ordered to register as "enemy aliens" and report regularly to local authorities. Of these, 000 were interned in 8 internment camps located in remote and sparsely populated areas of the dominion, where they were held from 579 to 24. The internees' property was confiscated and they were used for unpaid forced labor. The bulk of the internees (about 1914 people) were Ukrainians, mostly from Austro-Hungarian Galicia.




Internees at forced labor in Canada during World War I


Monument to Ukrainians interned in Canada during World War I

The harsh living conditions in the camps caused discontent among their inhabitants, which was expressed in various forms of protest. This was most clearly demonstrated in the form of an open mutiny in Kapuskasing (Ontario) in May 1916, in which 1200 people took part. Three hundred armed soldiers were deployed to suppress it.

The United States followed a similar policy. President Woodrow Wilson passed laws in 1917 that placed certain restrictions on U.S. citizens of German descent. The 250 males affected were required to register and were subject to a number of restrictions. In April 000, these requirements were extended to women.

About 6300 "enemy aliens" were arrested, thousands were investigated and interrogated. 2048 were placed in two internment camps, where they remained until 1919-1920, despite the fact that the war had ended in 1918. In addition, about 2000 crew members of German merchant ships in US ports were interned.

Among the internees were prominent scientific and cultural figures, including 29 musicians from the Boston Symphony Orchestra.

With the outbreak of World War II, the steamroller of repression against their own citizens, who suddenly became “enemy aliens,” resumed its work in the United States and Canada, but on a much larger scale.

According to the 1940 census, there were about 12,2 million Germans living in the United States, either born in Germany or with one or both parents born in Germany. By the time the United States entered World War II, there were 695 Italian immigrants living in the United States. There were 127 Japanese on the mainland, and 150 in Hawaii, accounting for a third of the population.

After the United States entered World War II in December 1941, Presidential Proclamations 2525–2527 were issued, enforcing the Alien Enemies Act, which targeted people of German, Italian, and Japanese descent. In January 2525, all “enemy aliens” were required to undergo a registration process, including fingerprinting, photographing, and issuance of an appropriate document (“enemy alien registration cards”). They were prohibited from living in several dozen areas on the West Coast (the Exclusion Zone).

The US War Department demanded that all "enemy aliens" (Germans and Italians) living in coastal areas be moved to the interior regions under the pretext that they were a threat to national security. However, the government did not take such radical measures and limited itself to moving only a portion of these "enemy aliens".

11 persons of German descent were interned and placed in camps of the United States War Department and the United States Department of Justice. In addition, under pressure from the American authorities, a number of Latin American countries, with the exception of Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Mexico, deported more than 507 persons of German descent to the United States and placed them in internment camps. Among them were German Jews who fled Nazi persecution. Some of the internees were held in the camps until 4500. Eleven Latin American countries also interned citizens of the Axis powers on their territory. It is interesting to note that only 1948 to 11 percent of German citizens living in the Americas were members of the NSDAP.

The repression also affected people of Italian descent: 1881 of them were arrested and 418 were interned. In addition, 288 people were deported from Latin America and then interned. On September 8, 1943, Italy capitulated, and a few months later, most of the internees were released.

The most severe fate awaited the "American" Japanese. On February 19, 1942, President F.D. Roosevelt approved Executive Order 9066, which gave military authorities the right to designate eviction zones and evict any persons from them.


A Japanese boy with a tag awaiting deportation to a camp, California, 1942


Japanese children swear allegiance to the United States before being sent to a concentration camp

As a result, 112 people of Japanese descent out of 127 living on the West Coast, 62% of whom were U.S. citizens, ended up in concentration camps. Even people with 1/6 Japanese blood, including children, could end up in the camps. Of the significant number of Japanese in Hawaii (150), only about 2264 were interned, as they played an important role in the local economy. In addition, 1944 Japanese were deported to the United States from Latin American countries. In XNUMX, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of internment, arguing that limiting the civil rights of a racial group is permissible if “public necessity requires it.”


Japanese Internment Camp, Hawaii

However, the Japanese charges of espionage and sabotage proved unfounded. A State Department report commissioned by President F.D. Roosevelt found that most ethnic Japanese and 90-98% of Japanese Americans were loyal.

On March 11, 1942, the Office of the Alien Property Custodian was established, which could dispose of this property at its own discretion. Many Japanese were deprived of all or part of their property.

The Japanese internment camps were located in remote, sparsely populated areas, mostly on Indian reservations. They were barracks with no running water, no sanitation, and no kitchens. The camps were surrounded by barbed wire fences and guarded by armed sentries who had the authority to open fire if internees attempted to escape.


Internment camp in the United States during World War II


In a camp for internment of Germans during World War II, USA

On January 2, 1945, the expulsion laws were lifted and internees were able to return home, but the last camp was not closed until 1946. Those released received $25 and a train ticket.

From 1948 to 1992, the American government passed a series of decrees providing partial compensation to the Japanese for the loss of property, and in 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed a document in which the U.S. government apologized for the internment, which was caused by "racial prejudice, war hysteria, and political failure."

The Canadian government pursued a similar policy towards “enemy aliens” during the Second World War. On August 25, 1939, the War Measures Act came into force, giving the Minister of Justice the power to detain any person “whose actions posed a danger to public safety or the security of the state.”

As a result, about 40 people of German and later Italian descent, most of whom were Canadian citizens, were detained in more than 24 internment camps. In addition, about 000 people of German and Italian descent were subject to mandatory registration, reporting to the police every month.


Internment camp in Canada during World War II

In the summer of 1940, they were joined by more than 3000 Jewish refugees from Germany and Austria. Ironically, they were often held in camps with German prisoners of war.

After Canada entered the war with Japan in December 1941, it was the turn of the local Japanese, although they had been subject to mandatory registration since March of that year. It was believed, in particular, that they could facilitate the Japanese takeover of the province of British Columbia.

720 Japanese were arrested, and on February 24, 1942, the Canadian cabinet issued an order for the removal of people of Japanese descent from a 100-mile zone adjacent to the Pacific coastline into the interior of the country. 21 people, 000% of whom were Canadian citizens, were separated by sex and placed in internment camps. They were allowed only carry-on luggage; all other property was confiscated.


Deportation of Japanese in Canada

The internees were housed in primitive housing without running water, sanitation or electricity and were used for agricultural work. They often went hungry, which required the intervention of the Red Cross for food aid.

Tens of thousands of people deported from other British territories on the American continent and Great Britain itself, as well as crew members of enemy merchant ships captured in ports, also ended up in Canadian camps.

Internment was also carried out for political reasons. Along with 850 Canadian fascists, members of the Canadian Communist Party and other labor leaders were in the camps.


Arrest of an Italian in Canada during WWII

It was only in the late 80s that the Canadian government's position on these events began to change. And in 1988, the prime minister issued an official apology to the interned Japanese, and each of them who was still alive was paid $21 in compensation.

It is interesting to note that the property losses of the interned Germans and Italians were not compensated.
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  1. +4
    6 June 2025 04: 39
    Normal practice, as for me. Both in the USSR and among the Anglo-Saxons. And Stalin didn't apply the laws of that time, otherwise the resettled people would have had a noticeably worse time.
    1. -9
      6 June 2025 08: 27
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Normal practice,

      for cannibals.

      By the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of August 28, 1941, it was stated that
      "among the German population living in the Volga region, there are thousands and tens of thousands of saboteurs and spies, who, upon a signal given from Germany, must carry out explosions in areas populated by Volga Germans."
      , which is why the Germans were deported.

      Although it was a stupid lie

      CITIZENS were robbed and sent to hard labor children for.. nationality.

      Citizens of the USSR - Germans, NOT convicted - at the coal mines of Karpinsk:

      A week later, when we went to work in the morning, we saw that our barracks were surrounded by barbed wire, there was a guard booth at the gate, and four towers with armed guards - "popki" - in the corners.

      This is how Soviet Germans were turned overnight into prisoners, “zontsy”, deprived of all civil rights, freedom, human dignity, and communication with their families.

      Among us were people of all ages - ot 14 to 65 years old, there were women with small children and not young (my mother was 51 years old). Many men were demobilized from the front by Stalin's order, with orders, medals, scientists from Leningrad, Moscow, doctors, German communists- internationalists, many elderly people who seemed like old men to us young people.

      guards, the guardhouse, the abuse of the authorities. The head of the zone, Petrakov, was evil, stupid, cynical. He enjoyed seeing us humiliated, spiritually trampled. People had a very hard time being separated from their loved ones, from their families. It seems to me that the main barbarity of the entire system of "zones" was precisely that under no circumstances could a husband and wife, a mother and children, etc., be placed together in the same zone.

      We all had to work only the hardest jobs, no matter what illnesses we suffered from. We were not entitled to any "indulgences", no medical examinations, no sick leave! But there were so many heart patients, ulcer patients, rheumatics patients among us... All without exception - only for "direct" work! Stripping coal mines, manual coal mining


      The comparison with the Japanese is funny - half of them are Japanese citizens, and the other half are first-generation US citizens.

      Soviet Germans lived in Russia for centuries
      1. 0
        6 June 2025 08: 31
        They insulted the USA, the Anglo-Saxon has come to its defense. How are things going with the rehabilitation of Nazi collaborators, like Krasnov?
        1. -4
          6 June 2025 10: 51
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          They insulted the USA, the Anglo-Saxon came to the defense

          insulted Russian Germans, excellent citizens of the USSR.
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          How is the rehabilitation of Nazi collaborators going?

          the most terrible Nazi collaborators and spies of Tukhachevsky, Yakir, Uborevich, Bukharin, etc. (and they handed over to the Nazis the STRATEGIC plans of the Red Army, prepared the fronts and territories for surrender - according to Stalin's statements and the courts) and were acquitted long ago.

          they could have known
          1. +5
            6 June 2025 12: 37
            insulted Russian Germans, excellent citizens of the USSR.
            Read about these "excellent citizens of the USSR" in Vershigora's work "People with a clear conscience". It is about German villages on the route of his raid. And how Kovpak dealt with the Banderites. After the first destruction of his scouts - for the Banderites it suddenly turned out to be a surprise that this game can be played by two. And the Banderites began to bypass Kovpak's units.
          2. + 10
            6 June 2025 16: 11
            It is astonishing that to put their citizens behind barbed wire without trial is in one case unworthy of mention, and in another cannibalism.
            Perhaps cannibalism is a case when the country's territory is practically not threatened by invasion? Of course not, for Russophobes, and an anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe, for them the invasion of an enemy, strong and frankly cruel nation is not a reason for defensive actions, in the form of resettling representatives of this nation.
            How two-faced are the anti-Sovietists when they defend their Anglo-Saxon mistresses.
            1. -9
              6 June 2025 17: 27
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              they are being invaded by a hostile, powerful and downright cruel nation

              We did not fight with the nation - see Stalin, July 3, 41 - we fought with Hitler's fascist Germany and
              Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain.
              Stalin
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              , in the form of resettlement of representatives of this nation.

              they did not represent anyone except themselves, they did nothing, but were criminally slandered in betrayal andpunished for non-existent crimes.
              1. +6
                6 June 2025 19: 03
                Quote: Olgovich
                We did not fight with the nation - see Stalin, July 3, 41 - we fought with Hitler's fascist Germany and

                Oh, and who made up the population of this very Germany, weren’t they Germans?
                Russophobes obviously don’t know about Simonov’s poem “Kill Him”.

                Russophobes either know nothing about Russian history or are completely dishonest.

                Quote: Olgovich
                They represented no one but themselves, did nothing, but were criminally slandered for treason and punished for non-existent crimes.

                This is how touchingly Olgovich wrote about the Japanese. After all, Japan did not invade the territory of the USA, did not kill hundreds of thousands of peaceful Americans, did not squeeze every drop of blood out of living children, and poor American citizens were driven behind barbed wire for nothing.
                Olgovich, you look so pathetic defending your Anglo-American mistresses that it’s just disgusting.
                1. -7
                  7 June 2025 08: 15
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Oh, and who made up the population of this very Germany?

                  Stalin officially answered you: reread it until you get it.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  , and the poor of american citizens were driven behind the barbed wire for no reason

                  of citizens Japan-almost half are among the internees, the other half are yesterday's citizens of Japan

                  . Our Germans-Russian citizens during centuriesWhen will you learn it?
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Olgovich, you are so

                  Russophobes' assessment - "very valuable" lol
                  1. +3
                    9 June 2025 05: 20
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Stalin officially answered you: reread it until you get it.

                    Comrade Stalin could have been wrong. Or are all of Comrade Stalin's statements and decisions infallible?
                    No, in the order, in addition to “they come and go,” there are also such words.
                    Of course, the Red Army has to destroy the German fascist occupiers because they want to enslave our homeland, or when they, being surrounded by our troops, refuse to throw down their arms and surrender. The Red Army destroys them not because of their German origin, but because they want to enslave our homeland.

                    And this order was from February 23, 1942, and the deportation of Soviet Germans was completed by May of the same year. And "Kill him!" ("If your home is dear to you...") was written in June-July of the same year. So, Olgovich, only enemies of Russia, and deeply ignorant or mendacious ones at that, can shed tears for the innocently repressed.
                    By the way, for some reason the Germans from the Far East and Siberia were not deported anywhere or even imprisoned, why? Maybe because it was not a deportation, but an evacuation, albeit a forced one? That's exactly it. After all, it is obvious, but not to a Russophobe who ignores history and common sense, that the German Nazis would certainly have mobilized the remaining Soviet Germans.
                    Millions of Soviet citizens went deep into the rear, were they also deported?
                    The Germans were hated in the country, this is obvious, but not to a Russophobe who ignores history and common sense, another matter is whether it was deserved or not.
                    So it was obviously impossible to house deported/evacuated Germans in cities and villages, like evacuated other citizens. That is why they were resettled at a distance, in barracks.
                    But what's more, the Germans were MOBILIZED for army labor, and not sentenced to a labor camp. In fact, this is how they mobilized a lot of citizens of the USSR, for digging ditches and trenches, for example, under Nazi air raids, with losses.
                    So the attitude towards Soviet Germans differed little from the attitude towards other citizens.
                    This is obvious to anyone, but not to a Russophobe who ignores history and common sense.


                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Japanese citizens make up almost half of the internees, the other half are yesterday's Japanese citizens

                    However, they were US citizens.

                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Our Germans-Russian citizens for centuries. When will you learn?
                    Even if it took millions of years, handing over hundreds of thousands of potential soldiers to the enemy is an obvious crime. The USSR, in the person of its leadership, and therefore Stalin, did not commit it.

                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Russophobes' assessment - "very valuable"

                    An anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe. And especially one like you, who, in an attempt to protect your Anglo-American mistresses, spits on facts, history, and common sense.
                    1. -5
                      9 June 2025 10: 13
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      The Red Army is destroying not because of their German origin, and in view of the fact that they want to enslave our homeland

                      here you have it, "nation" - Stalin told you again
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      So there are tears for the innocently repressed

                      cannibals have a law::
                      Article 1. Rehabilitate all repressed peoples of the RSFSR, recognizing illegal and criminal repressive acts against these peoples
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      and evacuation, even if forced?

                      Such advisers should be evacuated with their families to a camp - see above.
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Millions of Soviet citizens went deep into the rear, were they also deported?

                      Did their NKVD leave behind barbed wire, like the Germans?
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      So it was obviously impossible to house deported/evacuated Germans in cities and villages, like evacuated other citizens. That is why they were resettled at a distance, in barracks.

                      It was precisely the citizens who hated the Germans, and not the authorities.
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      So the attitude towards Soviet Germans differed little from the attitude towards other citizens.
                      This is obvious to anyone, but not to a Russophobe who ignores history and common sense.

                      belay fool behind barbed wire?
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Anti-Soviet - always Russophobe

                      The advisor is always a Russophobe: return Russian Odessa and other parts to Russia, which you have turned into a ukodesa.
                      1. +2
                        9 June 2025 14: 12
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        here you have it, "nation" - Stalin told you again

                        You can spit in the eyes of lying Russophobes... Stalin wrote this in response to accusations from people like you, only from Europe, of wanting to exterminate Germans. It is obvious, but not to Russophobes, that resettlement is not extermination.
                        And it was Stalin who signed off on Beria’s reports on the need to resettle the Germans.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        cannibals have a law::
                        Article 1. Rehabilitate all repressed peoples of the RSFSR, recognizing the repressive acts against these peoples as illegal and criminal.

                        The shameful ignoramuses do not know, and the lying Russophobes are not interested, that the "rehabilitation", including of the current Banderovites, was carried out by Khrushchev, and he also gave Ukraine and Crimea to these same Banderovites.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Give back Russian Odessa and other parts of Russia, which you have turned into a ukodesa.

                        So don't be hysterical, Odessa is a snivelling place thanks to those who worry about the "innocently repressed" like you.
                        By the way, the Germans, of whom there were many in the western regions of Russia, were much more willing to collaborate with the occupiers. So, again, a tear of a Russophobe...
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Such advisers should be evacuated with their families to a camp - see above...
                        ...their NKVD, like the Germans, went behind barbed wire?

                        Only lying Russophobes continue to lie about "barbed wire". Because, as it turns out, the Germans were resettled on collective farms using the method of compaction. Whoever succeeded.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        It was precisely the citizens who hated the Germans, and not the authorities.
                        The same tearful tales from the 90s as about "barbed wire that appeared overnight."

                        Although what can you expect from a Russophobe who doesn't care about the current replacement of Russians by migrants, who doesn't care about the fact that for decades now there has been a criminal mistake about admitting the USSR's guilt in the mass extermination of Poles by the Nazis, who keeps squealing about a deliberate famine, just like Banderovites. The Anglo-American housewives are happy, Olgovich should be proud.
                      2. -4
                        10 June 2025 11: 34
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        You can spit in the eyes of lying Russophobes.

                        That's why I see you don't see what Stalin wrote lol [
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        It is obvious, but not to Russophobes, that resettlement is not destruction.
                        And it was Stalin who signed off on Beria’s reports on the need to resettle the Germans.

                        the reasons for the eviction were stupid criminal lie and the deportations themselves are recognized as a CRIME in the USSR - learn and respect
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        The shameful ignoramuses do not know, and the lying Russophobes are not interested, that the "rehabilitation", including of the current Banderovites, was carried out by Khrushchev, and he also gave Ukraine and Crimea to these same Banderovites.

                        You completely ignored school, even the false Soviet one: Novorossiya and Malorossiya, Petropavlovsk, etc. were forcibly cut off from Russia YOUR leaders with 1918 on 1940
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        So don't be hysterical, Odessa is a snivelling place thanks to those who worry about the "innocently repressed" like you.

                        Go to school, 4th grade - who allowed you to hand over Odessa to Ukraine in 1918?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        "barbed wire"

                        examples are above.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        , who doesn't care about the current replacement of Russians by migrants

                        You will find Russians on the banks of the Pechora, Yenisei, under the sleepers of the Northern railways and on the banks of canals, in the pits of the magnetic fields and the mines of Kolyma, where you drove them by the millions from 1917 to 1953, including CHILDREN
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        about the deliberate famine,

                        not intentional, but the result of the immense stupidity and illiteracy of the so-called leadership
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        The Anglo-American housewives are happy, Olgovich should be proud.

                        Better continue about yours bankrupt, who took over EVERYTHING - the country, the army, the people, everything...
          3. +3
            7 June 2025 19: 19
            It has long been known to all literate people that Tukhachevsky and his ilk (they even tried to involve Kalinin) were preparing, together with German generals (Beck and others), simultaneous coups d'état in the USSR and Germany. The assassination of the USSR leadership was planned during a parade on Red Square. And everyone was rehabilitated under Khrushchev and Gorbachev, hence the enormous problems for the country to this day.
            1. -5
              9 June 2025 10: 30
              Quote: Alexander Mitrofanov
              It has long been known to all literate people that Tukhachevsky and his ilk (they even tried to involve Kalinin) were preparing, together with German generals (Beck and others), simultaneous coups d'état in the USSR

              These literate people don't need documents, they want fairy tales, the illiterate need documents, which you DO NOT have.
              Quote: Alexander Mitrofanov
              But everyone was rehabilitated under Khrushchev and Gorbachev, hence the huge problems for the country to this day.

              destroyed everyone in a row for... once year (NOWHERE in the world has this happened), hence the huge problems for the country to this day.
        2. Des
          +1
          6 June 2025 20: 13
          Olgovich - Right. Labor camps for Soviet Germans are a concentration camp. That's how it was. But - war.
          1. +1
            7 June 2025 19: 35
            A labor camp and a concentration camp are not the same thing.
            1. Des
              -3
              8 June 2025 06: 25
              Quote: Alexander Mitrofanov
              A labor camp and a concentration camp are not the same thing.
              Of course. But since I know from a person who was there (a German), I can compare.
          2. +1
            9 June 2025 05: 24
            Quote: Des
            Olgovich is right. Labor camps for Soviet Germans are concentration camps. That's how it was. But - war.

            Olgovich is lying, and therefore wrong.

            By the way, for some reason the Germans from the Far East and Siberia were not deported anywhere or even imprisoned, why? Maybe because it was not a deportation, but an evacuation, albeit a forced one? That's exactly it. After all, it is obvious that the German Nazis would have certainly mobilized the remaining Soviet Germans.
            Millions of Soviet citizens went deep into the rear, were they also deported?
            The Germans were hated in the country, that's obvious, another matter is whether it was deserved or not.
            So it was obviously impossible to house deported/evacuated Germans in cities and villages, like evacuated other citizens. That is why they were resettled at a distance, in barracks.
            But what's more, the Germans were MOBILIZED into labor armies, and not sentenced to ITL. In the end, those who were not sentenced had to be fed. But in general, they mobilized a lot of citizens of the USSR, for digging ditches and trenches, for example, under Nazi air raids, with losses.
            So the attitude towards Soviet Germans differed little from the attitude towards other citizens.


            Giving hundreds of thousands of potential soldiers into the hands of the enemy is an obvious crime. One that the USSR, in the person of its leadership, and therefore Stalin, did not commit.
            1. Des
              -2
              9 June 2025 05: 46
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              So the attitude towards Soviet Germans differed little from the attitude towards other citizens.

              You wrote this yourself. We'll end the topic.
              1. +1
                9 June 2025 14: 18
                Quote: Des
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                So the attitude towards Soviet Germans differed little from the attitude towards other citizens.

                You wrote this yourself. We'll end the topic.

                Is that all you saw?
                Other citizens were evacuated, mobilized, and if necessary, and this happened, they were imprisoned. So nothing special, except that a lot of Germans survived thanks to the mass resettlement.
                And concentration camps are a lie, as it turned out, Germans were actually resettled on collective farms. Fairy tales from the 90s are just fairy tales.
      2. +1
        6 June 2025 16: 21
        for cannibals

        Unfortunately, this is not a practice in wartime, it is simply "game theory" that for a state to resettle a certain number of people is nothing, and it will be much more difficult to overcome the consequences if a certain number of people begin to collaborate with the enemy.
        Personally, I am against collective responsibility and as a citizen I condemn any deportations, be it the deportation of the Japanese by the Americans or the Koreans, the Germans to the USSR, or even the Tatars and Chechens. But I do this already having the hindsight of how it all happened. Take the Americans, the war had just begun, there were fears that the Japanese would land on the coast, who would guarantee that the population with Japanese roots would not cooperate, for the same reason the Koreans were deported to the USSR and then the Germans. Yes, then all this can be recognized as a mistake, even compensation paid, but in wartime they think differently, since the price of a mistake is too high.
        1. +1
          6 June 2025 17: 06
          even Tatars and Chechens.
          These accomplices would have been cut out by the surviving partisans and local residents who were under occupation. But Joseph saved them from retribution, the locals did not appeal to the Hague court, they would have dealt with it themselves. But these "innocently repressed" even multiplied in the places of exile.
          1. 0
            6 June 2025 17: 26
            These are all emotions, no one would cut them out.
            1. +4
              6 June 2025 20: 14
              These are all emotions, no one would cut them out.
              Really? Especially the surviving partisans would have remembered everything, would have sent them to Turkey on foot across the sea. And absolutely everyone. You can hardly imagine what the Tatars did in Crimea during the occupation.
              1. +2
                7 June 2025 19: 33
                And quite a few more after their rehabilitation and return to Crimea. I heard a lot of stories from Crimeans back in the 80-90s
              2. -5
                9 June 2025 10: 35
                Quote: Aviator_
                what the Tatars did in Crimea during the occupation.

                children?
                1. +2
                  9 June 2025 10: 38
                  And were only children exiled? Or should they have been sent to orphanages? And they lived with their parents until reproductive age, just look at the former chairman of the Crimean Mejlis.
                  1. -5
                    9 June 2025 10: 46
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    And were only children sent into exile?

                    and only men went into exile?
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    And they lived with their parents until reproductive age,

                    the bulk of those who died during transportation and at the beginning-children
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    it was necessary to

                    it was necessary to judge and shoot criminals, and not punish everyone afterwards.
                    1. +3
                      9 June 2025 10: 53
                      It was necessary to judge and shoot the criminals, and not punish everyone afterwards.
                      In wartime, there are neither the strength nor the means to conduct investigative actions for several months, leaving Nazi collaborators in the immediate rear. This is the practice of absolutely all warring countries. So don't talk about "a tear of a Tatar child" here. It won't work. Better write something about the Russian Empire.
                      1. -4
                        9 June 2025 11: 11
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        In wartime, there is neither the strength nor the means to conduct investigative actions for several months, leaving Nazi collaborators in the immediate rear.

                        what, in, the immediate rear? learn, try.
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        This is the practice of absolutely all warring countries.

                        Well, go ahead and tell a lie about each country.
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        . So don't talk about "a tear of a Tatar child" here.

                        I don't segregate children by nationality and color, unlike you
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        It would be better to write something about RI.

                        Better yet, practice on cats(c0
                      2. +2
                        9 June 2025 11: 30
                        And is there no more material in the manual about beloved Kolya #2? So there won't be anything about the Russian Empire? You're doing well with the "innocently repressed peoples" too. Contemporaries knew better what had to be done and with whom.
                      3. -6
                        9 June 2025 11: 41
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        And about my beloved

                        and about the eviction of the peoples who assisted the Nazis from the rear, for example, in Germany, Romania, Hungary, etc. - will there still be nothing?
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        More about "innocently repressed peoples"

                        Let's talk about "winely repressed peoples", but for you and your "contemporaries" there is the Soviet LAW:
                        Article 1. Rehabilitate all repressed peoples of the RSFSR, recognizing the repressive acts as illegal and criminal against these peoples.

                        the point is made.
                      4. +3
                        9 June 2025 11: 45
                        Well done! Get some candy from Khrushch Kukuruzny and Gorby Marked, who rehabilitated everyone with lists! And EBN even repented for the Poles in Katyn, despite the conclusions of the Burdenko Commission during the war.
                      5. -5
                        10 June 2025 11: 55
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Well done! Get some candy from Khrushch Kukuruzny and Gorby Marked, who rehabilitated everyone with lists!

                        they rehabilitated dozens of years old, and yours shot 682 thousand and planted 1,5 million people IN A YEAR! Do you realize how many SECONDS "they considered the fates of PEOPLE"?! Try it on yourself...
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Burdenko commission during the war.

                        from the commissions to you in the Nuremberg tribune: in the tribunal's verdict the Katyn episode no, the Soviet version was rejected
                      6. +2
                        10 June 2025 13: 14
                        they rehabilitated for decades,
                        Are you serious?
                        682 thousand were shot and 1,5 million people were imprisoned in a YEAR!
                        laughing laughing laughing Talking to a sick person is useless. And not in a year, but in a day. Even your favorite "Memorial" doesn't write such things.
                      7. -5
                        11 June 2025 07: 52
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Are you serious?

                        You learn the question - rehabilitation is still ongoing.
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Talking to a sick person is useless. And not in a year, but in a day. Even your favorite "Memorial" doesn't write such things.

                        Well, I'm not telling you, but others. For the year 37-38 - see documents-PAVLOV'S certificates

                        Do you realize how many SECONDS "they considered the fates of PEOPLE (life or death, camp, confiscation, eviction of the family, confiscation, children in the orphanage, etc.)?! Try it on yourself...
          2. -6
            9 June 2025 10: 34
            Quote: Aviator_
            the surviving partisans and local residents who were under occupation

            examples of this. THERE ARE NO..

            no one touched the returning policemen
            Quote: Aviator_
            And so these “innocently repressed” people even multiplied in places of exile

            It's not cattle, but people and children who make up the bulk of the dead.
            1. +3
              9 June 2025 10: 36
              Are there any documents about the deceased children? As for the cattle, it's a moot point, considering what they did under the Germans, including with the children of partisans.
              1. -5
                10 June 2025 11: 59
                Quote: Aviator_
                Are there documents about deceased children?

                see deportation documents, Zemskovsky, Tolmachev, etc.
                Quote: Aviator_
                As for cattle, it's a controversial issue.

                It is not for you and yours to judge: respect the Soviet LAW:
                Article 1. Rehabilitate all repressed peoples of the RSFSR, recognizing the repressive acts against these peoples as illegal and criminal.
                1. +3
                  10 June 2025 13: 11
                  see deportation documents, Zemskovsky, Tolmachev, etc.
                  And "Memorial - why did you suddenly forget?
                  1. -6
                    11 June 2025 07: 45
                    Are the others not enough for you?
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    And "Memorial - why did you suddenly forget?

                    learn them first.
        2. -9
          7 June 2025 08: 27
          Quote: Oldrover
          and it will be much more difficult to overcome the consequences if a certain number of people begin to cooperate with the enemy.

          citizens of the ussr were accused of NON-EXISTENT crimes (see Decree) x and were punished for them.
          Why not Georgian, for example? What would have happened if Hitler had gotten there?
          Quote: Oldrover
          because the cost of error is too high

          where is this price paid?
        3. +3
          7 June 2025 19: 27
          I think the American leadership understood that the landing of the Japanese on US territory was complete nonsense. Except maybe in Hawaii. By the way, President Trump's grandfather was also German.
        4. +3
          7 June 2025 19: 42
          The resettlement of the hostile population in the FRONTLINE zone and adjacent areas (Chechens, Crimean Tatars, Kalmyks) made sense. For example, all Crimean Tatars of male gender and draft age (at least 30 thousand) fought on the side of the Germans.
          1. 0
            13 November 2025 09: 47
            In January 43, Nalchik was liberated from the fascist invaders.
            The Balkars were repressed in February 1944.
            And where is the frontline zone?
            Before writing articles, study the dates.
      3. 0
        6 June 2025 20: 23
        Where did you get the firewood? Link to the original source please
      4. +7
        7 June 2025 04: 02
        Quote: Olgovich
        Soviet Germans lived in Russia for centuries

        Firstly, in 1941, the Soviet power was only 24 years old! And where are the centuries here? Secondly, they were not placed in concentration camps, which was done by the same Finns, who in 1944 changed their colors, almost allies! And in Petrozavodsk there is still a district called the 5th district. And it was a concentration camp, and a children's one at that! So, we have to be careful with history! Otherwise, we can remember a lot, and Arkhangelsk in 1918 and the Japanese in the Far East in 1918-22 and much more!
        1. -7
          7 June 2025 08: 32
          Quote: non-primary
          Firstly, in 1941, Soviet power was only 24 years old! Where are the centuries here?

          and what is the fault of the hundred-year-old Russian Germans in the infancy of Soviet power?
          Quote: non-primary
          Secondly, they were not placed in concentration camps,

          read above and the story in general
          Quote: non-primary
          remember a lot

          The worst thing is the concentration camps for THEIR UNCONVICTED citizens.
          1. +3
            8 June 2025 02: 43
            Quote: Olgovich
            Quote: non-primary
            Firstly, in 1941, Soviet power was only 24 years old! Where are the centuries here?

            and what is the fault of the hundred-year-old Russian Germans in the infancy of Soviet power?
            Quote: non-primary
            Secondly, they were not placed in concentration camps,

            read above and the story in general
            Quote: non-primary
            remember a lot

            The worst thing is the concentration camps for THEIR UNCONVICTED citizens.

            Firstly, I pointed out to you the inconsistency of the expression "Soviet Germans" and said nothing about Russified Germans. Learn to express your thoughts correctly! The other points have the same impression, just throw it on the fan!
            1. -8
              9 June 2025 10: 41
              Quote: non-primary
              Firstly, I pointed out to you the inconsistency of the expression "Soviet Germans" and said nothing about Russified Germans

              Your instruction is worth nothing - after the VOR everyone became Soviet.

              Learn to express your thoughts correctly! The other points have the same impression, just throw it on the fan!
      5. +5
        7 June 2025 19: 07
        I wonder where this information came from? From "Memorial"?
        1. -5
          9 June 2025 10: 39
          Quote: Alexander Mitrofanov
          I wonder where this information came from? From "Memorial"?

          from USSR
        2. 0
          13 November 2025 09: 51
          What's the difference between Memorial and Volodin? They're birds of a feather.
    2. +3
      13 October 2025 18: 11
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Normal practice, as for me. Both in the USSR and among the Anglo-Saxons. And Stalin didn't apply the laws of that time, otherwise the resettled people would have had a noticeably worse time.

      Captured Ukrainian terrorists and other lackeys of the Ukrainian Nazi regime, like the Ukrainian Armed Forces, certainly shouldn't simply sit in captivity and consume budget funds for their upkeep. They should work and justify their continued existence. This is best achieved by restoring the infrastructure of Donbas and other regions and looking into the eyes of the residents whose children and relatives were recently killed.
      And, in general, all the disloyal newcomers need to be weeded out. Loyal Ukrainians should be understanding; it's also about their safety. Otherwise, we're having a security recklessness festival for the sake of grand gestures and pretty poses like "we're not like that." It doesn't matter what those are; what matters is the effectiveness of actions and the safety of citizens.
  2. +7
    6 June 2025 05: 20
    The author somehow did not emphasize this point. In the society of the USA, Canada, Australia and Great Britain, no one disputes the criminality and illegality of the described actions. In our society, on the contrary, it is approved and encouraged.
    1. -4
      6 June 2025 07: 50
      Yes, the author came up with the classic “but you have blacks being personally treated”, but in wartime any state system begins to “think” in other categories.
      1. +4
        7 June 2025 20: 21
        You should also remember the Indians. To this day, most are on reservations.
        1. -5
          8 June 2025 01: 34
          Do you know what these pictures have in common? They are all Indian reservations...
        2. -2
          13 November 2025 09: 52
          And you should remember the genocide of the Circassian people.
    2. +2
      7 June 2025 20: 18
      Who exactly are we talking about?
  3. +4
    6 June 2025 05: 33
    No one remembers where the Volga Germans went? Who (or rather, their ancestors) came to Russia at the invitation of the German Sophia Augusta Frederica von Anhalt-Zerbst, in Orthodox baptism Ekaterina Alekseyevna Romanova, nicknamed the Great. And even Peter himself, also nicknamed the Great. And naturally many generations of no other country besides Russia, did not know.
    1. +4
      6 June 2025 05: 39
      Quote: Nagan
      And naturally, many generations did not know any other country besides Russia
      There were persistent rumors that active Nazi propaganda was carried out among them and that they were evicted to be on the safe side. Although the Germans who had lived in Russia for several generations were no longer distinguished from the local population, except perhaps by their last names. Or maybe this is all slander. Who knows?
      1. +9
        6 June 2025 06: 21
        On the other hand, if the Crimean Tatars or the same Chechens had been deported in advance, there would have been fewer victims, both among those they killed while serving the Germans and among them themselves. But there would have been many times more cries about the crimes of Stalin's bloody satraps.
      2. +2
        7 June 2025 19: 51
        At that time, Soviet Germans still protected their identity, and the Autonomy of the Volga Germans with its capital in Engels greatly contributed to this - German schools, technical schools, universities, theaters, etc.
      3. +1
        7 June 2025 20: 25
        I haven't heard about Nazi propaganda there.
    2. +1
      6 June 2025 06: 53
      I remember we had a whole company of these blond beasts, Werle, Beise, Diez. They all felt fine until the 90s, until they were persuaded to go to the Fatherland. But even though they were Germans, they were still Russian.
      1. + 12
        6 June 2025 08: 01
        Gardamarin, I am one of these "beasts", as you called them. I don't know why you have so much hatred, people are so rarely called. Or do you not consider them people? They were all born in the Union, studied, served, worked. And they worked conscientiously.
        In our battery there were (as far as I remember) 7 "beasts". The battalion commander said in front of everyone that the Germans were good soldiers. And he himself was a participant in the war.
        And many left (including me) because after the collapse of the Union (and even before) it was impossible to live and work honestly. And the majority could not live any other way. And even here, the older generation, are rooting for Russia.
        And Russia has lost a lot, having lost several million honest and conscientious workers.
        I could tell you a lot, but I don't think I could convince you. You wouldn't want to talk to a "beast."
        Have a good day .
        1. +2
          6 June 2025 11: 28
          Well, you shouldn't have done that. I just remembered a quote from a poem. Besides, that blond guy in the photo is me from about forty years ago. So if you want, I can do it myself.
        2. +1
          7 June 2025 19: 58
          It seems that the author of "beasts" did not insult. And they left, in the vast majority, not because of love for the Reich, but from the chaos of the 90s and the hope for illusory happiness "overseas".
        3. -1
          13 November 2025 09: 56
          I had Germans serving with me, normal guys. I later visited them in Germany.
          Russian Germans, yes Russians, there in Germany they consider themselves Russians.
          And how many citizens of Russia and the USSR have left to live abroad? Are they traitors?
    3. +4
      6 June 2025 07: 50
      Does anyone remember where the Volga Germans went?

      if there are so many minuses, it means they remember...
  4. +6
    6 June 2025 06: 31
    Quote: Alexander Mitrofanov
    President Woodrow Wilson passed laws in 1917 imposing certain restrictions on U.S. citizens of German descent.
    For many years, German settlers were considered a well-integrated and respected part of American society, but all this changed with the outbreak of war, and especially with the sinking of a passenger steamship by a German submarine. Lusitania, after which the situation of German-Americans immediately worsened. Fuel was added to the fire by a letter from the German Foreign Minister, intercepted by the British secret service, in which he proposed to the Mexican government to return the lost Mexican territories...

    After the declaration of war, President Wilson immediately declared all German citizens foreign enemies, who were forbidden to live near military installations, in port cities, and in the capital. Citizens of German descent were subjected to outright lawlessness - they were dragged out of their homes at night, forced to kiss the American flag and sing the national anthem, and the most heinous case was the lynching of a German by an angry mob in 1918. So the concentration camp for German-Americans was something like a sanatorium...
  5. -6
    6 June 2025 08: 46
    Interning the Ukrainians in 2022 would decapitate the SBU. How many would remain intact.
    1. +2
      6 June 2025 09: 59
      Yeah, and what about Ukrainian pilot Pavel Ivanov in an American F-16?
    2. +2
      7 June 2025 20: 02
      And I am 50% Ukrainian, but a supporter of the SVO - me too?
      1. -4
        8 June 2025 02: 12
        Yes, too. You are a supporter of the SVO, and how many of your fellow countrymen are delivering explosives around Russia and obtaining intelligence?
        The Italians in Britain on the Isle of Man sat out the war and didn’t complain.
        1. -1
          15 November 2025 18: 44
          Historically, due to the brutal and totalitarian suppression of criminal freedom of movement and the sale of military and state secrets across borders by each state, conscious Banderlogs have long emerged and persisted among border anthropos. These are creatures who greatly love any kind of freedom, especially from criminal punishment, and they are conscious, that is, they recognize and know under what criminal statutes they can be prosecuted.
          As national borders change, the habitat of the conscious Bandar-logs expands significantly, corresponding to the shift of border territories. And with the advent of the internet and mobile communications, this habitat can reach any capital city or government.
          The spread of Svidomo ideas from the Bandar-logs is most effective among the typical lazy and obtuse philistine, who is known in French as "bourgeois," in German as "burgher," and who was succinctly called "petty bourgeois" by the Russian writer Maxim Gorky. This is simply because the Bandar-logs' ideas are just as petty bourgeois and primitive, and don't require complex memorization.
          The age-old enemy of the Bandar-logs and the outskirts has always been the legalists and statists representing science, culture, and tradition. And in today's, not-so-distant times, these are also those same dreamers of some kind of universal order and equality for everyone. They are so disliked by the average person, who adores oligarchs and big bankers and is ready to woo them everywhere and in every locale.
          But the greatest enemy for any conscious Bandarlog is the communists. It was the communists who once intended to abolish state borders and thereby bring about the total liquidation of the outlying lands through a so-called unification with the central governments, which would have led, in a totalitarian manner, to the degeneration and disappearance of the Bandarlog tribes in all territories. Or maybe they didn't intend to, they simply dreamed of it.
          But this was enough for the desire to continue, leading to the outskirts' greatest friends always being those living next door to them, but across the border—Banderlyakhs and other Banderpeytsy. Or the conscious Banderitans and Banderikans, living far beyond the seas and oceans, but also not indifferent to beauty. Especially to foreign lands, financial savings, and works of art belonging to others, for lack of their own.
          Thus, the outlying and other villagers, often called roguly for their stubbornness and narrow-mindedness, although divided by cruel and intolerant border troops, have always been drawn to one another, have repeatedly loved one another, which meant a process, not a feeling, and have constantly helped each other in any way they could in opposition to their non-pluralistic capitals, as well as the political and cultural centers of their own states.
  6. +1
    6 June 2025 08: 51
    The events described are not something special even in our time. In the 2000s, in the plans of events, when martial law was introduced, actions were also provided for the registration and isolation of citizens who had "roots" with those states, because of the conflict with which it was introduced. Yes, I think that this is planned now, and not only in our country
  7. +2
    6 June 2025 10: 22
    In total, about 200 people passed through the camps, 27 Boers died of hunger and disease. In total, every fourth prisoner died.

    Unusual mathematics. Euclid would die of envy.
    1. +1
      7 June 2025 20: 05
      Sorry, we are talking only about the BOERS. There were also black Africans in the camps.
  8. +4
    6 June 2025 10: 40
    Anyone who has read "Švejk..." probably remembers how his housewife, Mrs. Müllerova, was sent to a concentration camp. wink
  9. -4
    6 June 2025 11: 41
    All this came from the colonial conquests of the 16th-17th centuries. It was colonialism that was the progenitor of Nazism. The main ideas were formulated by England, then the splashes flew, by the beginning of the 20th century concentration camps had already appeared. Unfortunately, Stalin's USSR also lit up in this disgrace, and how, although there was no Nazism there at all, the basis was different - class. And today these ideas have not lost their followers, first of all Ukraine and the Baltics, partly Poland.
  10. +7
    6 June 2025 12: 09
    There were no death camps in the USSR. Soviet ITLs were prisons with a softer regime, and certainly not a place for exterminating people. Only the British and Germans organized death camps for exterminating people.
    1. -5
      6 June 2025 21: 51
      WE can criticize our history! And enemy propaganda must be suppressed along with the propagandists. For some reason, Mr. Kostadinov does not write about concentration camps in the West in Western media. He got into our trouble. Hypocrite!
  11. -1
    6 June 2025 21: 49
    We need to learn from the successful and not engage in prudishness.
  12. +1
    7 June 2025 09: 35
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Normal practice,

    for cannibals.

    By the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of August 28, 1941, it was stated that
    "among the German population living in the Volga region, there are thousands and tens of thousands of saboteurs and spies, who, upon a signal given from Germany, must carry out explosions in areas populated by Volga Germans."
    , which is why the Germans were deported.

    Although it was a stupid lie

    CITIZENS were robbed and sent to hard labor children for.. nationality.

    Citizens of the USSR - Germans, NOT convicted - at the coal mines of Karpinsk:

    A week later, when we went to work in the morning, we saw that our barracks were surrounded by barbed wire, there was a guard booth at the gate, and four towers with armed guards - "popki" - in the corners.

    This is how Soviet Germans were turned overnight into prisoners, “zontsy”, deprived of all civil rights, freedom, human dignity, and communication with their families.

    Among us were people of all ages - ot 14 to 65 years old, there were women with small children and not young (my mother was 51 years old). Many men were demobilized from the front by Stalin's order, with orders, medals, scientists from Leningrad, Moscow, doctors, German communists- internationalists, many elderly people who seemed like old men to us young people.

    guards, the guardhouse, the abuse of the authorities. The head of the zone, Petrakov, was evil, stupid, cynical. He enjoyed seeing us humiliated, spiritually trampled. People had a very hard time being separated from their loved ones, from their families. It seems to me that the main barbarity of the entire system of "zones" was precisely that under no circumstances could a husband and wife, a mother and children, etc., be placed together in the same zone.

    We all had to work only the hardest jobs, no matter what illnesses we suffered from. We were not entitled to any "indulgences", no medical examinations, no sick leave! But there were so many heart patients, ulcer patients, rheumatics patients among us... All without exception - only for "direct" work! Stripping coal mines, manual coal mining


    The comparison with the Japanese is funny - half of them are Japanese citizens, and the other half are first-generation US citizens.

    Soviet Germans lived in Russia for centuries

    Trust memoirs less.
    And now the facts that became known to the leadership of the USSR:
    1. Ethnic Germans living en masse in the Odessa, Kherson and Nikolaev regions actively welcomed the arrival of the Wehrmacht, and German troops held ceremonial meetings.
    2. The evacuation of cattle, horses and MTS equipment from areas of compact German residence was completely disrupted by sabotage.
    3. Hundreds of people (all sorts of accountants, agronomists, teachers, employees) instantly appeared in the uniform of Wehrmacht soldiers and openly declared that they had been covert agents of German intelligence, dating back to the First World War.
    4. In Nikolaev and Kherson, ethnic Germans from among the workers of shipbuilding and ship repair plants largely thwarted the destruction of slipways, slipways and dry docks.
    5. Well, and the icing on the cake - immediately after the Germans occupied the Northern Black Sea region, so-called "squads" emerged from German youth who joined the SS auxiliary police.
    So there is no need to chatter that the villainous villain Stalin innocently repressed the white and fluffy Germans.
    Maybe you have never even heard of the "United Party of Caucasian Brothers", which swore allegiance to the rabid Fuhrer and led the sabotage war against the USSR in the Caucasus?
    1. 0
      7 June 2025 20: 08
      You are right! Especially in relation to shipyards.
    2. -1
      13 November 2025 10: 00
      And how many Russians served the Germans, one, two, maybe a couple of million.
      And now who's blowing up ATMs, setting fires, planting explosives? It's all about the idiots.
      They are not Russians. They are from the Moon.