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Development Program of the Far East: scrape the bottom of the barrel

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The Minister of Development of the Far East, Viktor Ishayev, got into a difficult situation after last week’s meeting of the state government commission in the capital of the Sakha Republic (Yakutia). The meeting addressed the issue of financing the project for the development of the Far Eastern Macro-region, along with Transbaikalia and part of Eastern Siberia.


Dmitry Medvedev (right) led the state program for the development of the Far East through the ranks of the profile state commission participants. Photo: Alexander Miridonov / Kommersant


Viktor Ishayev was appointed to his current position in May 2012 of the year - after Vladimir Putin as one of his priorities identified the need for serious investments in the Far East in order to develop the region in full-scale. Minister Ishayev and was supposed to be the general manager of the entire Far East project. Obviously, the main task for Viktor Ishaev was to control budget funds, which will flow into the economy of the Far East and Transbaikalia.

It was originally planned that no less than 16 trillion rubles would be sent to the Far East, but this figure immediately raised a number of questions from government representatives who understood that they simply could not get that kind of money. Someone even began to recall Alexei Kudrin, who at one time said that, they say, if we release 20 trillions to modernize the army, then all other projects will have to be corrected, to say the least. The most interesting thing is that we really had to correct it, because the program for the development of the Far Eastern macro-region was eventually cut by exactly one third. Instead of the trillions of funds originally designated 16, the program was squeezed to 10,6 trillions, as was reported by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev the other day in Yakutsk.

It would seem that 10,6 trillion is an impressive amount to start the implementation of the development program for the Far East, Eastern Siberia and Transbaikalia, but another important “but” surfaced. This “but” lies in the fact that 10,6 trillions are the sum of the budget and private investment in the project. In other words, this amount has yet to be found ... Who will look? .. That's why Minister Ishaev, apparently, had to fidget in his chair during a meeting of the state commission ...

Moscow is going to allocate trillion rubles for the implementation of the Far Eastern project 3,8, and the remaining 6,8 trillion. must be made up of private investment, as well as borrowed funds. Who are the authors of the funding project going to borrow? Dmitry Medvedev tried to answer this question, stating that they would borrow from the Pension Fund and seek additional funds from the financial management of the National Wealth Fund. From such words, many clearly glanced at each other, scratching their heads. After all, the fact is that the Pension Fund, in which the government is going to borrow something, has its growing deficit, which is estimated at over 2 trillion rubles. And if we take into account that the Pension Fund itself claims to eliminate the deficit already this year with the help of funds from the federal budget, it becomes quite unclear how the government will borrow from someone whom it itself is trying to keep afloat by financial injections ... A similar analogy emerges: in order to make repairs in your apartment you are going to borrow money from a neighbor, for whom they themselves have set aside the amount needed for life tomorrow. The scheme, the transparency and feasibility of which can be long and extensively reason.

If we touch upon the words of Prime Minister Medvedev that it will be possible to use the management tools of the National Wealth Fund (NWF) to finance the program for the development of the Far East, then everything is not so smooth and simple. These roughness at the meeting outlined the Minister of Economic Development Belousov. In particular, he said that the National Wealth Fund gives about 70-80 billion rubles a year, and full implementation of Far Eastern projects as part of extra-budgetary financing (excluding private investment) will require at least 100 billion rubles annually. A misty prospect arises, connected with the fact that even with the use of money from the National Wealth Fund, it will be necessary to take 20-30 billion rubles more every year until the end of the project.

Well, the most difficult segment of making the idea of ​​developing the Far Eastern macro-region a reality is attracting private investment. These investments are necessary as air, but the ministers themselves declare that it will be extremely difficult to attract them in full. Why is it difficult? The fact is that the entire development project, in the framework of which several individual projects are being laid (Transsib development, construction of a new BAM branch, development of regional air links, construction of roads, port infrastructure and power industry development), will not pay for itself immediately after these projects . For example, in order to pay off the 80-billion-dollar project for the construction of the 3-kilometer bridge over Lena, which will actually link Yakutsk with BAM and the Trans-Siberian railway, it will take at least 5-6 years (with favorable economic conditions). And now tell me, who in our country from the representatives of big business will decide to allocate tens of billions of rubles to the fact that, if they start making a profit, then only a few years after commissioning? The correct answer is: no one, if the classical system does not work, often worked out by top political leadership. Such a system is popularly called voluntary-compulsory: you don’t want to invest - as in the famous film, “turn off the gas” (well, or shut off the oxygen) ...

But if such a trick may work with our businessmen, and they will eventually “invest” their funds, then this scheme will not work to attract foreign investments. And it’s possible to say that foreign investors themselves are interested in large-scale investments in Russian Far Eastern projects, as long as possible, only the business climate in Russia is still far from the optimal options for long-term investment projects. Although it seems that today it is far from the best options almost all over the world: take at least Cyprus, where government mechanisms were found for private capital.

What is the result? And it turns out that the development program, it seems, has been adopted, but in some kind of semi-fire version. Who will look for means for its realization, from what real, rather than metaphysical sources will be made, who will be held responsible in case of her (program), God forbid non-realization - all this remains secret even after the meeting of the state commission. In fairness, it should be noted that the federal ministers themselves, headed by Dmitry Medvedev, acknowledged that the development program for the Far East and Transbaikalia is crude, and that it needs to be improved. How good is the improvisational potential of our government in terms of translating these ideas into reality? - today, it seems, no one knows, and the Cabinet itself, including. Therefore, I would like to hope that the program of development of the Far East did not turn into a phantom, which looked very attractive even before it began to translate into reality, and then turned into an “unknowable little animal” with extremely cut financing and waiting for private capital off the coast of the Pacific Ocean ...
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  1. lemal
    lemal April 9 2013 08: 26 New
    10
    With such faces ... and?
    1. Asgard
      Asgard April 9 2013 10: 40 New
      17
      Neighing too. I will give a natural insane ... and to match him there are rye-human-like horses. Therefore, when the time comes, it will be easy to cope with them .... (centaurs mother their feet)))
  2. Dante
    Dante Alighieri April 9 2013 08: 36 New
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    Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin should be appointed to the post of manager of all Russia, then we will implement all the projects, we will raise the economy, and we will settle the Far East.
    1. Nesvet Nezar
      Nesvet Nezar April 9 2013 09: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Dante
      Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin should be appointed to the post of manager of all Russia, then we will implement all the projects, we will raise the economy, and we will settle the Far East.


      They won’t be able to shoot, if only a world war would happen in which we would participate by selling weapons ... And also demographics. Stalin did not solve demographic issues. Even with the prohibition of abortion, the birth rate did not increase ... But I believe that we have no problems except demographics.
      1. 120352
        120352 April 9 2013 09: 50 New
        +4
        It's right. I am even ready to participate in its decision.
      2. CTEPX
        CTEPX April 9 2013 17: 19 New
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        Quote: Nesarya Nesvet
        in which we will participate by selling weapons ...


        However, it will not work)). The Anglo-Saxons dragged through the UN an arms deal.
        Work ahead of the curve, scum)).
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx April 9 2013 09: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Dante
      Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin should be appointed to the post of manager of all Russia, then we will implement all the projects, we will raise the economy, and we will settle the Far East.

      Yes, and also money will remain
      1. 120352
        120352 April 9 2013 09: 53 New
        -1
        By the way, the Gulag was never self-sustaining and cost the country a lot. Bonded labor is the most inefficient, and also protection must be maintained + transportation costs ...
        1. Takashi
          Takashi April 9 2013 13: 07 New
          +3
          I don’t know how about self-sufficiency, but during the construction of Komsomolsk-on-Amur - but if you take the accounting numbers, then it says the following:
          the implementation of the plan by Amurlag - 110-130%, while the freed - 80-90%. In particularly difficult jobs, freelancers barely fit into 50-60%. Closer to the amurlag in terms of productivity, there were only construction battles.
          Camp money also mastered faster.
          The road Khabarovsk (Volochaevka) - Komsomolsk (~ 400 km) - was built in 8 months !!! (without any mechanization from Scratch !!! Even faster, rails were laid along it.
          For reference: the modern road Khabarovsk-Komsomolsk was built for 6-8 years (this is only a gravel road) with surveys of 2 years and much more money was spent. And then it was paved for 10 years :) :)
    3. 120352
      120352 April 9 2013 09: 49 New
      -4
      Settle. But the form of residence will be the Gulag.
    4. rolik
      rolik April 9 2013 23: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Dante
      Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin should be appointed to the post of manager of all Russia

      Comrade Beria has already been appointed to the post of manager of all Russia. This was a really effective manager, remember the programs that were raised and made under his leadership. And Comrade Stalin, was an effective leader in a country called the USSR.
      The half-educated ones, who imagined themselves to be great leaders and managers, safely collapsed. And the consequences of the activities of which we are currently raking. And to be honest, from the moronic teddy face is already sick. This is probably a specially created intrigue. As with a stool, remember when it was removed, the whole country stood on its ears with joy. So, probably, it will be with this KindleRayphone, as they will remove, a holiday for the whole Russkaya Mother.
      1. Dante
        Dante Alighieri April 10 2013 08: 02 New
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        Well, if at all to be exact de jure, the official leader of the country was Mikhail Kalinin, although in reality the power always belongs to the one who puts the last signature, therefore Joseph Vissarionovich was the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.). But the rest I agree with you. The retinue makes the king in many ways - this is another stone in the garden of GDP.
  3. krasin
    krasin April 9 2013 08: 51 New
    +6
    There are attempts, it seems, but there is little work.! What has been done ??? !!!
    (excerpts from materials)
    The final decision was made under pressure from Medvedev personally. On the eve of his visit to Norway, he asked to see what inconsistent problems are in the coffin of Russian-Norwegian relations. And - a suitable problem was found. Instead of dividing the Barents Sea gradually - gaining something in the northern zone, losing something in the southern one - Medvedev cut the Gordian knot in one fell swoop. As a result, Russia has lost everything.

    The current division line of the Barents Sea lies entirely on Medvedev’s conscience. I propose to call it that way - the Medvedev line - by analogy with the 1991 Shevardnadze-Baker line (agreement between the USSR and the USA on the demarcation of economic zones and the continental shelf in the Chukchi and Bering Seas; in fact, Shevardnadze gave the Americans 34 thousand square miles of oil-bearing region sole by decision, and then led him through the Politburo - “SP”). Otherwise, you cannot call such agreements shameful.
    The 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which Russia ratified on March 12, 1997. As a result, the border of our homeland, so familiar from textbooks from the 1980s, stretching from the western part of the Kola Peninsula to the North Pole and from it to the strait between Chukotka and Alaska, was transformed into a narrow 12-mile strip (22,2 kilometers) along our northern shores. This means that the vast water area of ​​the Arctic Ocean, on which only our icebreakers had the legal right to go 30 years ago, is now, as it were, “no man's” waters. Glory to Yeltsin!
    Sharing of islands claimed by Japan is now planned.
    All the rulers of Russia gathered the country - “Russia is strong on the outskirts.” Liberasts destroy, plunder, and after all plunder in the end, as they say, and do not go to the grandmother.
  4. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak April 9 2013 08: 56 New
    +3
    "Now tell me, who in our country among the representatives of big business decides to allocate tens of billions of rubles to the fact that if it starts to make a profit, then only a few years after commissioning? The correct answer: no one, if the classical system doesn’t work, often worked out by the highest political leadership. Such a system is popularly called voluntary-compulsory: you don’t want to invest - as in the famous film, "turn off the gas" (well, or turn off the oxygen) ... "
    Why such businessmen and such a system? Is this a normal system? We have the Perm-Tomsk road, more precisely, the section of the road between the Sverdlovsk region and the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug which year is being built. Year of completion 2009, then 2010, and to this day the unfinished section of about 30 km remained. I know that two years ago people flew through Harbin to Moscow — it was cheaper. I wonder now how? And our programs are accepted all the time, then they are edited and accepted again. Grandiose plans are announced. Remember GOELRO-2? Hehe ... Although, of course, I would like it to become a reality. And on the other hand, you will look at the faces of people who should realize these plans ... a lot of things become clear.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 9 2013 09: 29 New
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      Quote: Nagaibak
      Is this a normal system? We have the Perm-Tomsk road, more precisely, the section of the road between the Sverdlovsk region and the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug

      System......
      Under the current system, the development program for the Far East may be a bluff.
      The motivator in the topic will explain a lot.
      1. 120352
        120352 April 9 2013 10: 01 New
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        The current system is, sorry, a thieves' system. The Krestovsky Stadium, the costs of the Vladivostok "Potemkin villages", Sochi ... These are all simple devices, not even mechanisms, for theft of the budget. Including, the Far East will not receive a fig. All funds allocated there will be neatly laid out in the pockets and accounts of a "group of people", and for the population, maybe somewhere on Lugovoi, for reporting, the lantern will be hung.
      2. CTEPX
        CTEPX April 9 2013 17: 33 New
        +2
        Yes, situevina ...
        And in order to “raise” the Far East, it is enough to ensure that energy resources are sold locally, not at “world” prices, but with only 100% profitability, despite the pressure of general people)).
        Those.:
        electricity - 20kop. per kWh
        gasoline-92 - 7rub each. Hall.
        gas...
        coal...
  5. kostella85
    kostella85 April 9 2013 09: 03 New
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    Regarding the Far East, Zhirinovsky once suggested: Make a tax-free and tax-free zone from the Far East; Free from conscription (to attract young people); to unite the regions of the district into one entity and "issue" immediately passports to compatriots living abroad who wish to return to their homeland

    In my opinion, quite sound ideas, although quite bold.

    PS I myself am not a fan and supporter of Zhirinovsky, but the ideas are quite interesting!
    1. krest.ros
      krest.ros April 9 2013 10: 08 New
      +1
      Any sane person has this kind of idea, and not just Zhirinovsky. The question is not what ideas need to be put into practice, but how to break them through the existing system of power? But you can’t break through, because this power is vicious! So it is necessary to change the system itself, and at the same time this "power". This system cultivates monsters for itself and paves the way for degenerates. A normal person will never get along in it! First you need to understand what form of government is most suitable for Russia and its people, and what kind of person and with what moral principles should lead this power. The system has a trump card - a lie. Through Putin's lips, someone inspires the population (and not without success!) That Russia has chosen the democratic path of development, in other words, the path to nowhere. Therefore, the main question is: how to tear people out of the clutches of the system and return them to the path of normal and saving development? This path - without a doubt - Orthodox!
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 9 2013 10: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: krest.ros
        This path - without a doubt - Orthodox!

        So be it.
        But the state is not only a religion, it is primarily an economy.
        What is the economic way, in your opinion? Couldn’t it be if the religion of the economy comes in some way?
        1. krest.ros
          krest.ros April 9 2013 10: 39 New
          +2
          But the state is not only a religion, it is primarily an economy.

          Incorrect reasoning. Hierarchical laws are unknown to you. First of all, the state is a religion, and everything else afterwards. Your principles live ochlocracy and the oligarchy, for which the economy is "above all." Religion and economics should be interconnected, especially in a country like Russia.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 April 9 2013 11: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: krest.ros
            First of all, the state is a religion, and everything else afterwards.

            Thank you for your reply.
            The good thing is that very few people think so. hi
            1. krest.ros
              krest.ros April 9 2013 11: 41 New
              +1
              Take words out of context. Not good...

              The good thing is that very few people think so
              “Do not be afraid, small flock, for your Father has pleased to give you the kingdom” (Luke 12, 32).
              And the last one. I advise you to read the book "1000 years of Russian entrepreneurship." Maybe the thoughts and deeds of our great ancestors will set you in the right way. hi
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 April 9 2013 13: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: krest.ros
                Take words out of context. Not good

                And what did I take out of context?
                This is your complete offer.
                Quote: baltika-18
                Ochlocracy and the oligarchy live by your principles,

                Do you know me and my principles? Do we know each other?
                Quote: krest.ros
                Religion and economics must be interconnected,

                And how do you imagine this?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding April 10 2013 14: 41 New
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                  Quote: krest.ros
                  Religion and Economics Must Be Interconnected

                  Quote: baltika-18
                  And how do you imagine this?

                  Apparently, this refers to the mental relationship.
                  On healthy soil, healthy plants grow.
                  Savva Morozov, Savva Mamontov, Demidovs, Stroganovs grew on the basis of Russian Orthodoxy ...
                  Who can you put next to these names from the galaxy of modern business people ???
          2. kostella85
            kostella85 April 9 2013 12: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: krest.ros
            Religion and economics should be interconnected, especially in a country like Russia.


            So we have just complete order with this. Our church is doing excellent business !!!!, but "first of all, religion" !!!! wink smile
            1. amber-50
              amber-50 April 9 2013 14: 28 New
              +5
              Absolutely. Something too often, our church became involved in various scandals. Yes, and true believers, I think the percentage is not large. So, she doesn’t pull on the role of a leader. In general, I’m afraid to imagine how much money will be stolen if they’ll decide to highlight all the same. I’m comparing with the APEC summit.
    2. 120352
      120352 April 9 2013 10: 09 New
      -11
      I’m afraid that even the most experienced veterinarian will not be able to help Zhirinovsky. The Far East is a completely self-sufficient system that can easily do without Moscow. Without Moscow, it will be even easier for him, it will be possible not to send collected taxes there and then they will be enough for everything. As for the draft, the Far East must somehow defend itself. And he can handle it. The patriotic spirit of those guys is much higher than that of Muscovites. And there are even more young people there than in the Central Resource Center (for those who do not know the Central Resource Center, these are the central regions of the country).
      So, the best for that territory will be its liberation from the yoke of the central government. Enough to wait for commands and permits from Moscow, which has no idea what the Far East needs and how to solve it!
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak April 9 2013 10: 58 New
        +2
        120352 "So, the best for that territory will be its liberation from the yoke of the central government. Stop waiting for commands and permits from Moscow, which has no idea that the Far East needs and how to solve it!"
        Well, that burst !!! Another separator. For such slogans, it would be nice to introduce a firing article to introduce hehe ... The good gentleman themselves have been dumped from there, and are you inciting the people to independence?
        1. amber-50
          amber-50 April 9 2013 14: 52 New
          -1
          NAGAYBAK. If you want to know, this opinion more and more often slips in conversations. The Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories are quite self-sufficient and can feed themselves. That's the problem with the population, it’s not enough for such a territory. And by the way I have been living in Primorye for 50 years, I’ve seen and far better times, but I’m not going to run.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 April 9 2013 11: 00 New
        +5
        Yeah, Gaddafi also thought that he could cope without Moscow. He called all brothers and sons. And how did it end for him?
        How long do you think this "self-sufficient system" will last, surrounded by sharks such as China, Japan, the USA?
        And at the expense of taxes, so they have all been going to Moscow for a long time. There, all head offices are registered. And here only taxes and fees on the wage bill. We already have nothing of our own; everything goes to Moscow. It’s disgusting, of course, but I’m afraid that with any other neighbors it will be worse.
      3. lazy
        lazy April 9 2013 14: 24 New
        +1
        without nuclear deterrence, the local population will have only one way to the partisans, they brought jamshuts to the construction sites of the summit, and look at the faces in Vladivostok’s buses, how many Slavs are now and how many others and not even Chinese. Independent Far East is dangerous nonsense.
      4. Belogor
        Belogor April 9 2013 18: 18 New
        0
        such slogans are used by those who want to dismember Russia, or ignorant gorlopans. In general, the idea is below all criticism, on the second day after disconnecting from Russia, the Far East will be attached to .....
      5. DAEDALUS
        DAEDALUS April 9 2013 21: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: 120352
        The patriotic spirit of those guys is much higher than that of Muscovites.

        It seems to me, or in any region, the patriotic spirit of youth is higher than that of Muscovites?
  6. ole
    ole April 9 2013 09: 04 New
    -4
    China will invest, first of all, green sea wrappers in it, and secondly, it is necessary to develop its original provinces of Siberia.
    1. 120352
      120352 April 9 2013 10: 16 New
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      China will not go there. There were attempts. The border is perfectly fortified. A 150mm gun sticks out of each boulder. Each village has two garrisons: a frontier and an army. It is, of course, advisable to add the southern part of the Khabarovsk Territory to Primorye, including Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Bolshoi Kamen. Then there will be a supply of submarines, and aircraft. And the North of the Khabarovsk Territory, including the Okhotsk urban settlement, can either be autonomized or included in the Magadan Region. Why am I reasoning about this? Yes, I was there for a while, from 1974 to 2007. 33 years.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 10: 18 New
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        Quote: 120352
        The border is perfectly fortified. A 150mm gun sticks out of each boulder. Each village has two garrisons: a frontier and an army.

        This is where it is so fortified, I’ll go at least with a peek laughing
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 10: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: 120352
        The border is perfectly fortified. A 150mm gun sticks out of each boulder. Each village has two garrisons: a frontier and an army.

        This is where it is so fortified, I’ll go take a look at least with one eye laughing
        Quote: 120352
        It is, of course, advisable to add the southern part of the Khabarovsk Territory to Primorye, including Komsomolsk on Amur.

        In fact, scream, Komsomolsk-on-Amur in the north of the Khabarovsk Territory, with regards to the Big Stone, it’s so in Primorye that it should be included there wassat
        Quote: 120352
        Yes, I was there for a while, from 1974 to 2007.

        Where are the veins if not a secret, since a large stone was expelled from Primorsky Krai. Komsomolsk was pushed to the South on the Amur wink
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 9 2013 11: 11 New
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          Komsomolsk is the center of HC, the north is Okhotsk, Ayan, well, wherever Nikolaevsk went. And the rest is correct.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 11: 13 New
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            Quote: alicante11
            , the north is Okhotsk, Ayan, well, wherever Nikolaevsk went.

            Well, this is quite north.
        2. Doctor Evil
          Doctor Evil April 9 2013 14: 49 New
          +1
          Take me with you, I want to look at an invincible stronghold.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 April 9 2013 11: 09 New
        +4
        What are you talking about? Which one kilometer from the center of Khabarovsk passes? Something I did not see at the crossroads 150mm, maybe for a long time I did not go to the city. And UR on Bolshoi Ussuriysky does not work, alas. In the spring and autumn periods there can generally be only by helicopter, and even then only during the day, they won’t make a normal site. In autumn, the child died, who could not be taken out to the city for medical assistance; helicopter pilots did not dare to fly at night. And the Chinese have already finished building a bridge on their part. What a defense here.
        Yes, and I do not consider it necessary all of these URs. The Manerheim line, the Maginot line and all other "lines" at one time broke through with a bang, if taken properly. We have here roads one or two and miscalculated. So with small forces with good fire support, you can delay any army. Further Khabarovsk, Blagoveshchensk and the southern part of Primorye, the Chinese do not poke. But here they can be knocked out of here, only by the strength of the Russian army, and not by local forces. If the population of the entire Far East is no more than 6 million people, how many “bayonets” will it be possible to set?
      4. spok
        spok April 9 2013 12: 08 New
        0
        Man, everything has long been cut into metal and sent for the development of another country that is nearby. And the fact that not cut everything rusted.
      5. lazy
        lazy April 9 2013 14: 27 New
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        one more nonsense
    2. lazy
      lazy April 9 2013 14: 26 New
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      they were never iconic provinces, name at least one Chinese city that existed in Siberia before we- Russians came there
  7. zambo
    zambo April 9 2013 09: 16 New
    +1
    In this situation, the Minister for Development of the Far East Viktor Ishaev will be a whipping boy, all the dogs will be let down. But it’s a pity a good person and leader, a worthy track record with him.
    1. 120352
      120352 April 9 2013 10: 17 New
      -1
      This minister is no longer needed for anything other than whipping. There are governors. They can handle it. It should be reduced altogether, and the salary for pensioners should be distributed.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 9 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        Yeah, especially the sprat can handle it. Under Ishaev, the region was the best in the Far East, and now in full ass. Open the public procurement website and be horrified. And 5 years ago it was the other way around.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 11: 15 New
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          Quote: alicante11
          Yeah, especially the sprat can handle it.

          They call him Shprotina in his city, from where he was elected, but the Khabarovsk residents are more loyal to him.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 9 2013 13: 05 New
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            And I heard that they only call him that all over the region. For the eyes, of course.
  8. Heccrbq
    Heccrbq April 9 2013 09: 30 New
    +1
    The gang agreed on something, they smile, they live well .....
  9. pensioner
    pensioner April 9 2013 09: 57 New
    0
    What is the result? But it turns out that the development program, it seems, has been adopted, but in some kind of semi-fire variant. Who will seek funds for its implementation, from which it will be made real, not metaphysical sources, who will be responsible in the event of its (program), God forbid unrealization - all this remains a mystery even after the meeting of the state commission. In fairness, it should be noted that the federal ministers themselves, led by Dmitry Medvedev, recognized that the development program of the Far East and Transbaikalia is crude, and that it needs to be further developed. Yes, thank God that they even moved. So be it for starters. In the process, it will be clear that something is wrong, they will correct it. Not to be late - that’s the main thing.
  10. Amur
    Amur April 9 2013 10: 25 New
    +1
    All the Ishayevs and Medvedevs are far from the people, and all this burda, which is presented to us from the pages of the media about the development programs of the Far East, is nothing more than a distraction from real problems that no one is solving. We are raising the economy of China and drowning our own, here is an example: http://forum.amur.info/viewtopic.html?pid=4758367#p4758367

    April 1, 2013 marks exactly one year since the commissioning of the transformer substation, which transfers energy from Russia to China, the Partners website reports. According to the Heilongjiang Provincial Electricity Company, China received 1,8 billion kilowatt hours during this time.
    This is the first such project of cooperation between the China National Electricity Network Corporation and foreign partners. It was officially launched on July 12, 2007 and put into commercial operation on April 1, 2012. According to experts, the Sino-Russian cross-border transmission line of electricity can increase the level of resource use in the Russian Far East region, expand cooperation between China and Russia in the field of energy and promote the creation of an electric network in Heilongjiang province.


    Why are we creating power networks in China (for which we have found funds), but for ourselves we are keeping the level of use?
  11. Amur
    Amur April 9 2013 10: 29 New
    0
    All this "rattle" about the allocation of money and the development program, only a distraction from really significant things that are not directed at all at the "raising" of the far east of Russia. Guess for yourself, here is an example:
    http://www.amur.info/news/2013/04/08/12.html
    April 1, 2013 marks exactly one year since the commissioning of the transformer substation, which transfers energy from Russia to China, the Partners website reports. According to the Heilongjiang Provincial Electricity Company, China received 1,8 billion kilowatt hours during this time.

    This is the first such project of cooperation between the China National Electricity Network Corporation and foreign partners. It was officially launched on July 12, 2007 and put into commercial operation on April 1, 2012. According to experts, the Sino-Russian cross-border transmission line of electricity can increase the level of resource use in the Russian Far East region, expand cooperation between China and Russia in the field of energy and promote the creation of an electric network in Heilongjiang province.
  12. hunting
    hunting April 9 2013 10: 29 New
    +2
    ROLLBACK is our EVERYTHING! While it will be, there will be nothing, and if it is, then it will be more expensive in xxxxx.
  13. Region65
    Region65 April 9 2013 11: 38 New
    +4
    for the development of the Far East, you don’t have to scrape around for any guts, there are enough of your resources here, you just need to stop putting extra profits from gas, oil, marine bioresources, coal, wood, and so on into the pockets of officials and thieves from Moscow and money will be enough to develop whole region. There is another option - to stop prohibiting residents of the Far East from using their natural resources under pain of prisons and executions, and then we will not need your investments, Kremlin handouts and Kremlin bastards and scrapes, we will redeem ourselves in chocolate.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver April 9 2013 12: 51 New
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      Quote: Region65
      ... There is another option - stop prohibiting residents of the Far East under pain of prisons and executions use their natural resource and then we don’t need your investments, Kremlin handouts and Kremlin gimmicks and scrapes, we redeem ourselves in chocolate.

      Stop prohibiting the development of which specific resources?
      Due to what the Far East can be in the "chocolate"?
      I am very interested, I am from Khabarovsk.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary April 9 2013 14: 12 New
        0
        Quote: BigRiver
        For example, stop prohibiting the development of which specific resources?
        Due to what the Far East can be in the "chocolate"?
        I am very interested, I am from Khabarovsk.

        Well, finally gathered countrymen ????????
        Due to what?
        1. I want to say to that comrade right away. that Zhirinovsky is blaming up there - do not carry nonsense if there is no opportunity to reflect and evaluate ...
        Quote: BigRiver
        I’m afraid that even the most experienced veterinarian will not be able to help Zhirinovsky. The Far East is a completely self-sufficient system that can easily do without Moscow. Without Moscow, it will be even easier for him, it will be possible not to send collected taxes there and then they will be enough for everything

        Zhirinovsky suggested:
        - exempt the Far East from taxes of all levels,
        - interest-free loans to residents with full repayment at birth;
        - oblige enterprises of the forestry sector to cooperatively produce houses using Canadian technology at the expense of the budget for young professionals and their families, immigrants and residents of the region who have lived continuously for more than 5 years in the Far East,
        - abolish the military duty of military service, but with the participation in the development of the region,
        - convicts under parole who decided to move to the Far East to reward,
        - automatically give citizenship to immigrants, and depriving them of citizenship when they flee,
        - urgently build a passage (tunnel) to Sakhalin,
        - combine all nine subjects into one,
        I would still leave here the lion's share of customs duty, and parole convicts in western regions not according to bloody articles, I would give, not half, but a third / quarter + specifically for raising families and building ...
        In addition, for many years there has been a general infringement of loggers and wood processors - I personally understand for what purpose ...
        Everything around the new Forest Code of forest land and arable land. Squeeze local and relatively poor in favor of the rich from other regions, including for the PRC. from whose citizens it’s very easy to take cache-kickbacks ...
        In general, everything, of course, is not easy to understand without a bottle ... Yes, and I'm too lazy ...
        But you can and should understand!
        And then, after all, the state finally turned to the Far East ... As recently, a worthy comment was - "often, when the state in Russia turns to the people, people are horrified" ... (c)
        Zhirinovsky about the Far East - http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/944037/
        In general, I think so that the Far East, for many years in various fields of activity of ordinary people, has been driven into such a swamp that the mid-90s (in fact) looks much better ... IMHO
        Here, housing and communal services - 10 thousand for the ancient kopeck piece ...
        And the opportunity to conceive a decent business related to obtaining permits,
        competitors from the center of Russia and China are especially lobbying,
        And transport, in the sense of inaccessibility of territories,
        And the price licentiousness of merchants,
        And the purchase price is sq. meters of housing - for the same reason
        Today, visiting nouveau riche thinking that there is a long ruble, they come to milk the market, and not to develop the region ...
        Etc. - tired of snagging already ...
        1. Region65
          Region65 April 9 2013 16: 34 New
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          fully approve, s and support!)))
      2. Tartary
        Tartary April 9 2013 14: 12 New
        +1
        CONTINUED:
        In short, that Medvedev, that Ishaev (joke), that Shport (your joke), and who else is there ??? They’ll carry all kinds of crap, but they’ll see nothing sensible ...
        You know how in a terrible fairy tale, imagine (!) - carts with bread, butter, meat, honey and honey are being transported along the highway, and people in terrible frost at the curb with hungry eyes, look and dream like wolves - suddenly it falls unexpectedly, but in a snowdrift, so laziness turned out to be the one who, with the reins and the red mug, bends to raise ... Yes, what the hell will fall, vagabonds (!) - everything is clearly packed, popped, yes tied ... Yes, and "drunk with a muzzle "the horseradish will let the reins go, although it’s drunk, and the horse is full, and sleeps in the warm stables of every inn, so the horseradish will stumble ...
        Good luck, fellow countrymen!
      3. Region65
        Region65 April 9 2013 16: 31 New
        +1
        NOT DEVELOPMENT and USE of resources. For example, it is elementary to catch the same salmon during Putin's. Two poaching fishermen earn 500-600 thousand rubles for themselves in a couple of months; they are only salmon, there is still crab, scallop, smelt, flounder and much more. If these could be done legally without poaching, these guys even in the local budget taxes would be unfastened, all as expected. And so only garbage is fed from them. However, under the current laws, only garbage, febos, border guards can catch fish, in general, all who are in uniform and come in large numbers, who buy catch quotas for rabid grandmothers. Local residents are put behind bars for a couple of tails, even riot policemen shoot at juveniles by minors if they collide on rivers. Soon, people will start shooting at OMON and other “powerful people of this world”, their own oil, their own gas, their own coal, a lot of their own but again the same parasitic policy of Moscow - back in 2002 Muscovites “bought up” all coal on a voluntary basis cuts, the same thing is happening with the fishing industry and forest management.
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak April 9 2013 13: 44 New
      +2
      Region65 "for the development of the Far East, you don’t have to scrape around for any guts, you have enough of your resources here, you just need to stop putting extra profits from gas, oil, marine biological resources, coal, wood and so on in the pockets of officials and thieves from Moscow and enough money will be enough to develop the whole region. "
      If you think that everything will stop at this, then it is in vain ... Then the Far East will also be split up under approximately the same sauce hehe ... After all, this was already in our history. Then your island will be divided in half. So living in the north of the island will not want to share with those in the south. You say I have exaggerated, perhaps, but when the collapse begins in a country like Russia, all evil spirits out. Any local prince imagines himself a sovereign, his entire region. As a result, everything results in the fact that every crank in the letter M thinks of himself as Beethoven and the state breaks up. Then the Chinese, Japanese, and other friends will come. How to divide our territory, they will quickly discuss among themselves. Establish their order, dissent outweigh. It is necessary to study the experience of the Civil War with its republics, fathers, etc. It was an interesting time, the main thing is we went through it all.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver April 9 2013 14: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Nagaibak
        Region65
        If you think that everything will stop at this, then it is in vain ... Then the Far East will also be split up under approximately the same sauce hehe ... After all, this was already in our history. Then your island will be divided in half ....

        You should not take Comrade Region65's phrases to heart and draw far-reaching conclusions wink
        The socio-economic situation in the region is such that it cannot have an alternative path of development. This refers to the mythical inner possibilities. Only the will of the Center and public investment can get the region out of depression.
        The entire region’s GRP in 2011 amounted to 2,3 trillion rubles. In 2012, it will be about 2,5 trillion. And the development program, even in a truncated form, is announced for more than 10 trillion. rubles.
        There are NO quick resource sources for earning chocolate pollen in the region. They are all long, requiring long-term investments.
        1. Region65
          Region65 April 9 2013 16: 42 New
          +1
          nevertheless, the sale of biological resources to Japan by border guards and febos in the Kuril Islands to the dark (the murder of General Gamov was committed on this occasion, prevented someone), everything is set up there, everything is set up there. Fishing vessels of the Russian Federation under vigilant surveillance, under the roof of the FSB sell to the left to the Japanese fishermen most of the prey left, everything is set up there, everything is seized. Why does the same poaching flourish? Yes, because THIS IS FAVORABLE TO YOUR CENTER that you are talking about. The ban raises the price, therefore the Center can eat sweeter and sleep softer. It is not profitable for the center to return the free catch of the same fish as before. When it was possible, everyone caught himself as much as needed and did not grab too much. A living example of two years ago - on the coast, a group of bi-poachers stupidly dug two tons of caviar in the sand because they could not find a momentary buyer. Raw 500 rubles a liter, a total of one million rubles was stupidly thrown into the trash and about the damage to nature, I just do not say anything. Now, Caviar costs a liter on Sakhalin more than in Moscow, acquaintances of Muscovites tease, offering to send to Sakhalin the hotel with caviar :)))) if you legalize the catch of fish to mere mortals, the price tag will drop, which is not beneficial for the center. So I had your center right in the center. It’s with the center, that without the center, all those who have long been in chocolate (in particular epaulettes) and directing this into a lawful and beneficial direction for the region are not profitable for the center or the place.
  14. Takashi
    Takashi April 9 2013 13: 33 New
    +1
    1. The funny thing is, last summer, Ishaev already made an organizational conclusion from Putin. Remember, there was even news here and discussed already.

    2. The fact that Ishaev and Shport again received a comment tells us only one thing: pundits (economists) themselves do not know how to develop the Far East. That so turned around, that way - one word: Well ...
    One thing is clear: enterprises, due to poor management, high energy tariffs, eke out a miserable existence, fish both flowed abroad and are flowing away (you can see a refrigerator with Far East more expensive to drive than from Norway (across the border with the duty)), people leave like that keep leaving ..

    3. the development of any region (development) begins with roads, then energy, and so on.
    Personally, it seems to me that the first thing to do is to start and pave the way to Yakutia \ Magadan \ Okhotsk \ in Kamchatka. Finally connect Sakhalin and the mainland. All these projects are quite costly and economically long-term, but their implementation must be done as the BAM was built - (and not as a bridge in Vladik and the Russian Island - where migrant workers from South Asia built and they still didn’t pay money, but it turns out right now - and there stole) :) :)
  15. Letnab
    Letnab April 9 2013 13: 58 New
    0
    It sounded here that mainly enterprises are registered in Moscow, where taxes are paid. Indeed, if entrepreneurs are forced to register their enterprises locally, incl. in the Far East, I think that some kind of improvement in the development of the regions will be ..! An example of this is the well-known Abramovich ... from which Chukotka won a little, i.e. there is a sample. Well, and the example is again from China, where, as I heard, most of the taxes remain in the field, which makes them live well. It turns out that it is not necessary to reinvent the wheel, to amend the legislation, only many rich Pinocchio will not like it ...
  16. Proud.
    Proud. April 9 2013 15: 34 New
    +2
    In order to control budget funds, it is not enough to carry out the “scrape on the gophers” action. Further, it is simply necessary to perform the following action, “scrape (knock) on the gophers”. For the proper use of these funds.
  17. jambo79
    jambo79 April 9 2013 15: 38 New
    +3
    I live in the Far East, there is an opinion on this issue. Around a mess and collapse, people are fleeing to the western regions of the country and beyond the border, an economy in stagnation that smoothly turns into calabs, life from paycheck to paycheck - will 10 trillion rubles (half of which will be stolen) help cope with all this? For me, a native of the Far East, the answer is obvious! I never thought about moving from here, but recently such a desire has embraced more and more crying!
  18. sven27
    sven27 April 9 2013 15: 43 New
    +1
    WELL AND HORSE))))
  19. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik April 9 2013 18: 09 New
    0
    I was there a couple of times, only invest there in the road laughing However, as elsewhere. And so nice and beautiful.
  20. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz April 9 2013 21: 02 New
    +1
    Photo - out !!! Dimon jokes through his lip. Sneakers neigh, faithfully look into the eyes (even fat from behind !!!), wag their tail under the coat. They think about the people!
  21. PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 10 2013 00: 49 New
    +1
    I’m wondering, does Medvedev even think of what he is doing? or does he, according to liberalism (dictated by the Yankees and lemongrasses), want to surpass the wino-fight?
  22. nod739
    nod739 April 10 2013 02: 14 New
    0
    There was once a country - BAM was built without any investment climate
    it was just necessary for the country to combine eastern and western parts, it was necessary to develop the South-Yakut fuel and energy complex, and then raise metallurgy and other industry
    yes - the trouble didn’t have time, only the BAM with the unfinished fuel and energy complex remained,
    and they began to sell coal to the Japanese

    Political will is needed for everything, but the current government has little
    and investment is like: to find an uncle who would finance.

    but no will!
    1. Tartary
      Tartary April 10 2013 04: 44 New
      0
      Quote: nod739
      There was once a country - BAM was built without any investment climate
      it was just necessary for the country to combine eastern and western parts, it was necessary to develop the South-Yakut fuel and energy complex, and then raise metallurgy and other industry

      You at least understand what you are writing about ???????????
      Built BAM without an investment climate ?? Well, it’s necessary to say such a thing ...
      Just came men, Komsomol members, but "convicts" - BAM! and built BAM ...

      Uncheck the box and put the correct one.
  23. fenix57
    fenix57 April 10 2013 02: 24 New
    0
    Quote: 120352
    The Far East will not get a fig. All funds allocated there will be neatly laid out in the pockets and accounts of a "group of people", and for the population, maybe somewhere on Lugovoi, for reporting, the lantern will be hung.

    Yes, if it were not for theft ... I offer you:
    "The Auditor of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation Sergey Ryabukhin commented on the results of the audit of the use of public funds allocated for the design and construction of summit facilities within the framework of the APEC forum, the official website of the Accounts Chamber reports.
    The total investment amounted to 690 billion rubles, of which: 239 billion rubles - budget investments; 451 billion rubles - extrabudgetary sources. The total volume of investments was mastered by 99 percent.
    At the time of the audit, 23 of the 67 verified facilities of the summit financed from budgetary funds were commissioned.

    Nevertheless, we note that the volume of violations identified by the Accounts Chamber based on the results of all inspections amounted to 15 billion rubles, or 2% of the amount spent. This is not theft or theft. We are talking about a long (more than a year) finding on the accounts of contractors of budget funds. These contractors are constructing two 5-star hotels and a theater in Vladivostok. "
    Apparently, these 15 billion have already been "forgiven" by contractors ...
  24. Tartary
    Tartary April 10 2013 04: 53 New
    0
    I already wrote a long time ago, as my friend, now living in Moscow, participated in a tender for the construction of two stations (platforms), in the region of Ussuriysk, a highway ...
    Won ...
    The organizers asked for a rollback such that he says that if you pay, you will have to sell personal property acquired by "overwork".
    Refused ...
    I didn’t pay them to you, although I lost a lot because of this, I don’t pay and I won’t pay!
    And people like me know a lot (but how much I don’t know?), But almost all of them are "out of business" ... Who needs us such ?????????

    Guys!
    Blue is not a drop of sperm, but not a ruble of money to the bribe takers!

    If this slogan becomes our credo, much will change ...
  25. NIK 163
    NIK 163 April 10 2013 07: 32 New
    0
    Well, they open another feeder for offshore. It is also necessary to make up for losses after Cyprus.
  26. Bigriver
    Bigriver April 10 2013 08: 14 New
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    I read the shortened transcript of the meeting of the State Commission for the Program.
    The number of force application vectors and subprograms is impressive.
    The main "swing", as I understand it, the efficient use of resources. To this end, they will be involved in the development of transport infrastructure and the reduction in the cost of generating electricity.
    Here, in general, everything is clear.
    http://toz.khv.ru/newspaper/ob_etom_seychas_govoryat/programma_razvitiya_dalnego
    _vostoka_nachinaet_deystvovat /
  27. zav
    zav April 10 2013 08: 33 New
    +1
    No development of DV is intended. We are talking about the banal pumping of raw materials from the region using the old and newly created transport infrastructure. I don’t know how for anyone, but for me there will be a big difference in how my son will manage to earn a living: scrubbing coal from the walls of the carriage or working with smart equipment. Moscow decided that our children and grandchildren must swallow coal dust before the end of the century, not forgetting to thank the authorities for their care. It would be much more beneficial for residents of the Far East and, eventually, for residents of all of Russia, if even a small part of the promised trillions was allowed to create modern enterprises, social projects, etc. This can already be started with the existing transport network, gradually expanding both industrial and agricultural production, and transport.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver April 10 2013 12: 42 New
      0
      Quote: zav
      No development of DV is planned. We are talking about the banal pumping of raw materials from the region using the old and newly created transport infrastructure.
      For residents of the Far East, and over time for residents of all of Russia, it would be much more beneficial if even a small part of the promised trillions were allowed to create modern enterprises ...This can already be started with the existing transport grid..

      Such statements must be somehow argued.
      It is about creating a million jobs in 10 years. A million "white robes" in clean and bright workshops - this is certainly beautiful. But first, please tell me, what will this million produce? And due to what resources? Imported from China? wink
      In itself, the development of resources is not a shameful occupation for any country. The main thing to clarify is to what extent it will be processed in the territory.
      Second.
      The existing capacity of 16 million tons of BAM does not meet the real needs of the Russian economy. Transsib also. To know about the state of the road network in the region, you need to live here. And you are not local laughing
      In general, the theme of the Trans-Siberian Bridge between Asia and Europe is an interesting topic.
      Would you rather?
      1. zav
        zav April 10 2013 14: 30 New
        0
        The capacity of the Trans-Siberian Railway and the Baikal-Amur Mainline would be in full compliance with the normal - non-resource-based - state economy. That is, when Russia itself would recycle its resources, satisfying domestic demand, and send some surpluses - their benefit is unmeasured - sent for export. Moreover, not just in order to earn extra money, but exclusively for the purchase of high technology.
        By the way, you ask: “And due to what resources? Imported from China? ”
        What material resources do we bring from China? We have quite enough of our own.
        Mr. Ishaev’s plans over the past ten years to increase the export of bulk cargo (coal, iron ore) through Vaninsky Tr. knot up to 108 million tons per year.
        And the former Deputy Minister of Economy of the Russian Federation, Ivan Starikov, has the idea of ​​building a new Eurasian road from Hesan (Korea) to Rotterdam (Holland) to transport 40 million containers.
        Of course, the creation of “clean and bright workshops” does not fit into these plans in any way, since it is obvious that there are not enough workers and money for everything.
  28. Smoke
    Smoke April 10 2013 09: 21 New
    0
    when the construction of ESPO-1 and ESPO-2 was in progress, I often visited those regions (Amur Region, Khabarovsk Territory, Primorye) at work. There local thump .... not even thump, and B U H A T. Complete indifference to life. Such an impression has developed.
    1. Tartary
      Tartary April 10 2013 13: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Smoke
      when the construction of ESPO-1 and ESPO-2 was in progress, I often visited those regions (Amur Region, Khabarovsk Territory, Primorye) at work. There local thump .... not even thump, and B U H A T. Complete indifference to life. Such an impression has developed.

      I put you in “+” in advance, hoping that where you come from here, tell us that you need to build different industries, give people work and give each family a cottage at two levels (at least), but better at three and with independent power supply - well, there are windmills, panels for heat and light ...
      In addition, we missed here on good roads, not expensive good cars, and not expensive gasoline / diesel fuel ...
      Isn’t it really that we really miss nonsense? Especially from October to May, and who from September to June, inclusive ...

      And you are all about the same thing - thump, ahhh, they thump there ...
      Yes, not just thump, but thump!
      Oh well....
      1. Smoke
        Smoke April 10 2013 16: 24 New
        -1
        Listen, well, I live in Tomsk - also not the central regions of the country. Not even central at all))

        Your parasitic attitude is funny: YOU BUILD ALL FOR US AND GIVE MONEY. Spin yourself, the more you have rich edges, there is something to climb.
        I talked with the owner of a small sawmill in the Amur region. So he said: what thread does a man get to work, I naturally offer him piecework payment, and the more he cuts in a month, the higher the salary will be. And this man will cut himself 12-15 thousand rubles for 2-3 weeks and all ... no longer sawing, the question why you are not drinking, the answer follows, AND IT IS ENOUGH TO HIM.
  29. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 10 2013 10: 21 New
    +6
    Cool funded! They promised the main thing fool
  30. WS
    WS April 10 2013 19: 25 New
    0
    Everywhere in our country we SHOULD, maybe this is an antidote. I’ve never taken a booze, I haven’t even a booze, not a little bit, but I’m sick of some kind of garbage. Maybe not for nothing that the pirates (sailors) mixed water with alcohol so as not to spoil.
  31. gameover65
    gameover65 April 10 2013 19: 30 New
    0
    Region65Do not drizzle. if we don’t want to feed our center, we will feed someone else’s, Chinese or Japanese. by analogy with the army. It’s stupid to live on the periphery and dream of life in the center. Yes, for twenty years a lot of filth has divorced, especially with us, but this is not a reason to shout that we have everything and we can do everything, and the center only bothers us. let's take a sober look at what is happening!
  32. gameover65
    gameover65 April 10 2013 19: 37 New
    +1
    I talked with the owner of a small sawmill in the Amur region. So he said: what thread does a man get to work, I naturally offer him piecework payment, and the more he cuts in a month, the higher the salary will be. And this man will cut himself 12-15 thousand rubles for 2-3 weeks and all ... no longer sawing, the question why you are not drinking, the answer follows, AND IT IS ENOUGH TO HIM.

    Smoke, and maybe this man, neither like this owner, understands that what he does is to the detriment of the state and people, well, accordingly, there is no desire to destroy the forest at an accelerated pace?
    it’s not a secret for anyone where all the wood from the seaside goes.
  33. Tartary
    Tartary April 11 2013 05: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Smoke
    Listen, well, I live in Tomsk - also not the central regions of the country. Not even central at all))

    Since we are already at YOU, can we confess to the peasants that they switched to "you" after a long joint binge?

    Quote: Smoke
    Your parasitic attitude is funny: YOU BUILD ALL FOR US AND GIVE MONEY. Spin yourself, the more you have rich edges, there is something to climb.

    What kind of nonsense? What are parasitic relationships?
    My post was in the context of an article where huge money was promised for the development of Siberia and the Far East ...
    What are you going to develop?
    It is clear, as they have already commented on here - the transport structure and extractive industries ...
    And about the people, about 8 million souls, where is it written? Maybe between the lines?
    After all, the number of new jobs does not guarantee the employment of the local population ...
    Just yesterday (since 1995, to be exact), large enterprises are bringing guest workers from various republics of the former USSR here ... I’m silent about today - the preparation for the APEC summit is evidence of this.
    In addition, the main incomes of the population of remote villages were logging activities of a heap of large timber industry enterprises in the Far East and not only ... Where are these enterprises? There are none of them.
    But even this is not the main thing ...
    Take a look at the Forest Code and you will understand that it is of no use to the local people — all tries, nothing to do — kulubnik (logging) lowering, mushrooms lowering, lowering nuts, wild garlic lowering, wild grasses lowering, beast lowering, lowering fish .. Nanai, etc. it seems like by law all this is mona, except for industrial logging, but all the same nizya.
    To unite in communities under the roof of the Nanai, to whom something is mona, except for forest management - nizya ...
    But we come to the nouveau riche mona almost everything, but Tokma for the Tugrik ... And where to get the Tugrik to local people, if nothing is lower?
    Question! Where to go to the poor "peasant" ???????????????

    Now he is combined with the same tramps and let's catch the fog in my head, often with a palette made by those who are mona ...
    Soon, probably the rest will join - for fun it will be ...............

    If you advocate that the locals and plump too nizya, then what?
    What to inject? If so, where do you advise to inject? Not by chance ... in a leather syringe, are you our guardian of morality and employment amazing?