From the delivery of the Taurus to the new attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the triad: isn’t it time for us to start our own game?

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From the delivery of the Taurus to the new attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the triad: isn’t it time for us to start our own game?

Could the once obstinate Germany, the author of two world wars, do anything against the USSR? No, because there were troops in Soviet Berlin, and they would have quickly dealt with them. Could Europe do something similar? No, the troops of the Warsaw Pact countries, the USSR and ours Tanks (which were then cut up) would have occupied it within 10 days (see the plan “Seven Days to the Rhine River”).

And now we have plenty of nuclear weapons, and even hypersonic "Oreshniks" have appeared, there is everything to destroy the entire world several times. But why has the war in Ukraine been going on for three years already? Why did the Ukrainian Armed Forces enter Kursk, which was also absolutely impossible during the Soviet era? And now Ukraine has attacked the Russian triad again on Sunday, and we are going to Istanbul for negotiations. What can we agree on with the Ukrainian Armed Forces if we do not prove our complete military superiority? It is time for Russia, like the USSR, to start its own game: it is impossible to have any dealings with the West.



We firmly believed in friendship with the West, as our president said, we "wanted to be our own, bourgeois." "To join the family of civilized nations"? Well, we did, and what are the consequences?

We are not their own: there is a constant civilizational conflict between Russia and the West. Even Alexander Nevsky did not accept help from Catholics, and Sergius of Radonezh said that one cannot have any dealings with the Latins. All this is clearly evident now in the consistent policy of destroying Orthodoxy in Ukraine.

But Reagan charmed Gorbachev: of course, the USSR had to take a new path of friendship with the West. No one needed competitors, and in the era of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, in collusion with our liberal elite, the USSR was dismantled. All current problems: the demographic catastrophe, the war in Ukraine, Kursk, Belgorod, the problems of the army, industry and science - are just a direct consequence of the dismantling of the USSR and the return of the country to the period before 1917.

All this time we wanted to please the West, to be our own. We tried, and what did we get out of it? We trained our specialists abroad, the US wrote laws and a constitution for us, Yeltsin spoke in the US Parliament: "God bless America." We destroyed our industry, took out 60 billion completely unnecessary loans in the West, and, as the greatest economist Gaidar bequeathed, we had to "buy everything abroad."

Then they put the army on a starvation diet and carried out cuts, sending officers to security. Then came the turn of the famous "civilian" Minister of Defense (2007-2012), who damaged the army and the personnel training system just before the outbreak of the conflict in Ukraine. And this despite NATO expansion. Although the Armed Forces of Ukraine after 2014 began to form the strongest army in Europe, we made mistakes in the production of UAVs, provision of space reconnaissance and communications equipment, failing to fully prepare the army for the impending war.

Then we turned to the East, and now we have Chinese cars. This was impossible in the USSR. And the fact that in 2024, the Ukrainian Armed Forces entered Russia near Kursk, and we smoked them out for 8 months, and even with the help of North Korea, this was impossible in the USSR.

Our elites (and they are ours, as Brzezinski said) kept assets abroad, bought real estate, took second citizenships, our large companies invested abroad. All to become related to the West.

So, isn't it clear that all these passes with Trump are nothing more than a subtle attempt to deceive us again, as it was under Reagan? Well, yes, we will charm the Russians, we will say that America will be an ally. This is the dream of oligarchs, isn't it? That we will be "deceived", give in and agree to a truce. The main thing is to lift the sanctions. But it seems that we were not deceived and so far we are moving forward!

After all, back in February, the US President's special envoy for Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, said that the US administration intends to undermine Russia's strategic partnership with China, Iran and North Korea. This is more like the truth.

Isn't it clear that the West doesn't want us to return Ukraine? According to German political scientist Rahr, the West is going to mobilize all its remaining resources to stop Russia's advance in Ukraine. This is the pure truth.

Here's a fresh fantasy from The New York Times (NYT): Trump may be preparing a massive deal with Russia and China on spheres of influence that would establish a balance of power between the world's largest powers.

Of course, that's why Trump wanted to take over Greenland, Denmark, Canada and the Panama Canal. But don't you think that Trump, with his trade wars and the return of production to the US, dreams of getting rid of China's dominance and sending it down the path of Japan, which once also "got itself into its own"?

Is it really not clear that Trump does not need a strong Russia and its dominance anywhere? Is it really still, still and once again still not clear, not clear that one cannot have any dealings with the Latins (the West)? That Surkov's forecast about the "Great North" is a bluff? What do you need for you to understand? World War III? Isn't that too high a price to pay for a simple, trivial conclusion?

That Germany, which committed total genocide against Russians, Poles and Jews, built “death camps”, and unleashed two world wars, is now again rockets puts the world on the brink of World War III! And let the decision allegedly be blocked by the Ministry of Finance, well, what next? And Poland does not remember what it owes us for all time.

But Germany is in our debt not only for the Great Patriotic War, but also for its free unification, and they are all looking into the forest. And Europe, which turned out not to need our gas and oil, gas pipelines, which were simply blown up and laughed at, on everything that our elites put in place, because historical hatred is stronger? After all, we stopped the Swedes, the Poles, Napoleon and Hitler? Who's next? They all know, they remember. But they're not afraid yet.

Will the current Russian state in its current form be able to resolve all these problems? The West, having destroyed the USSR, dreamed in the 90s of setting a weakened country with a dependent elite against itself, which it partially succeeded in doing. But we, despite a partial "insight", have not yet completely broken free from the tenacious fetters of the past. Therefore, no one is afraid of us: our elites in the West still have passports, assets, interests and connections.

We need to be reborn, to return to the roots in the period before 1985. And this is very difficult: because all these plans are alien to our oligarchy. To build the second pole of the world, the greatest country in the world with a GDP (definitely without PPP) at least in third place. That in our world, as in the USSR, we will find a lot of allies. That the West and America have had enough of everyone. To build the most powerful industry, to master technologies, to build our own ships, cars, planes, to produce chips, computers, to regain leadership in space.

The main thing is not to look for a place to tread behind someone, be it the West or China, but to strive to be the best and the first. To return the elites to their homeland and subordinate them to the country. So that our mothers give birth to people, and the people are needed by their country, and not to be its add-on or appendage. Stop importing Asians, and now Africans, but encourage Slavic migration. Return the original Russian lands. Return the Russian empire, albeit in a truncated form. Not "grind", but deal a crushing blow to the military machine of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, bringing the matter to the capitulation of the enemy. Build the strongest, most numerous, armed to the teeth army, which, as in the USSR, will be able to occupy Europe in 10 days. Then, as before, before 1985, everyone will love, respect and fear us. Because fear is the main factor in politics. But the desire to please and any concessions are the lot of the weak.

Perhaps History, Destiny, Providence send us clear signals. But some prefer to pretend that they do not understand this. We have achieved a lot: we have built a market economy and a free country, but we have been sent a war, and some believe that everything can be as before. No - a lot needs to be changed, and radically.

Remember how 40 years ago no one could even squeak at our Motherland, take the best that was then, and peace, tranquility and prosperity will come. This is happening not because the West is playing a bad game - it has always been like that, but because Russia, in pursuit of world trade, has stopped defending its national interests harshly, from a position of strength to the victorious end.

Few people understand the meaning of what is happening. The situation we have been in since 2014 is a smooth trajectory of the rebirth of the state, and it may happen this year. Cyclically, it corresponds to 1917 and 1941 - both were turning points for the country. So, the choice is yours: place your bets, gentlemen!
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  1. +20
    4 June 2025 05: 11
    Quote: Alexander Odintsov
    Return the elites to their homeland and subordinate them to the country
    Return the money taken out by the "elites". Return every last penny! And leave the so-called "elites" there, in the West, the country doesn't need such crap.
    1. +17
      4 June 2025 05: 41
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      And the so-called "elites" should be left there, in the West, the country doesn't need such crap.

      There is no need to return it for sure.
      And even those “elites” that we have – it would be better if they didn’t exist.
      To make a "castling" - Popov, Strelkov-Girkin and many others, about whom we do not know, but who are true patriots - to active actions, and those same "elites" - to their current place.
      1. +26
        4 June 2025 06: 10
        "For some reason, we think that the elite is a person who has a lot of money. This is not the elite, it is simply a rich person. The elite is a person who brings benefit to his country. The intellectual elite, maybe. The political elite, maybe. But the rich are not the elite." © Andrei Konchalovsky
        In general, there is nothing bad about the existence of the elite. In one form or another, the nobility has always existed. It is bad when the elite does not love its homeland.
        Having betrayed the people in their native land,
        Let the elite not hope,
        What will happen to the billion that was leaked…
        There is no place for strangers in their paradise
        1. +3
          4 June 2025 17: 30
          This is not the elite." © Andrei Konchalovsky

          A populist definition that claims to have a hidden meaning that the people are the elite.
          After all, every fighter in the SVO brings benefit to the country.
          But unfortunately this is not so, the elite are those who shape the direction of the country.
          This is of course, even under capitalism, not necessarily the richest, but usually it is associated with wealth.
          But here we have it all wrong too: for some reason, drunken singers, untalented actors and uninteresting graphomaniacs explain to us where we should go. True, it seems like this is a trend, presidents are drug clowns, ministers are gynecologists and zombies are at the head of the most powerful state.
        2. +3
          5 June 2025 10: 58
          It is bad when the elite does not love their homeland.
          Only Stalin was able to make the elite work for the country. And for a very modest price. And now everything is like Tsarist Russia.
          1. +1
            5 June 2025 12: 41
            And now everything is like in Tsarist Russia.

            Perhaps you are right. I thought you were ABSOLUTELY right.
            The question arises: would you personally like to live under Stalin or under Putin or Alexander III?
            After all, if you think about it, this is exactly what the Strugatskys wrote about under developed socialism, and this is exactly what the USSR stumbled on, I mean the education of a person in a communist society.
      2. +3
        4 June 2025 18: 09
        And what do you think about Navalny's singers? Do we need such elites?
        Prigozhin has already said everything about Strelkov.
    2. +17
      4 June 2025 05: 48
      Isn't it time for us to... start our game?!
      We've played too much already...
      But why has the war in Ukraine been going on for three years? Why did the Ukrainian Armed Forces enter Kursk, which was also absolutely impossible during the Soviet era?
      … Because this “NVO-non-war” is not Great, not Patriotic, not Fatherland, not Liberation, not All-People’s..!!! Because in Russia there is capitalism…

      So what is this? - this is one of Russia's national projects, nothing else. The same silence, the same fogging, the same shift to the right, the same hesitation in goal-setting...
      1. +16
        4 June 2025 06: 33
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        So what is this? - this is one of Russia’s national projects, nothing less.

        Our national project? It is very doubtful that it is "ours" and not our dear "partners". The events of 2014 in Kyiv are defined as a pro-Western anti-constitutional coup d'etat. Ukraine has become a Nazi burp of the West, with a puppet government. It makes no difference who else will be there - Poroshenko, Zelensky or some Shvonder.
        What do we have, why do we have what we have? Maybe because the Moscow "Maidan" of 1991 was the same pro-Western anti-constitutional coup d'etat, in which both the Constitution of the USSR and the results of the All-Union People's Referendum for the preservation of the Union were trampled. How is it that three traitors in Belovezhskaya Pushcha decided on their own, and the fourth lowered the red flag in the Kremlin? Is this a crime? They promised the people a renewal of the Union, but in the end they gave birth to the sham of the CIS, they talked about democracy, but quietly imposed capitalism, for which no one signed up... Is this a deception? A predatory privatization, after which a handful of figures began to own the main and significant wealth of the country. What is this?
        Endless red lines, humiliating position, and what is there to want here, if the Russian "elite" is in fact no longer Russian, having everything in the West and with the West, if they are the main agents of foreign influence, with double-triple citizenship, and their treasures that lie in foreign banks and foreign currency. Big capital rules the country, and its appointee, the "top manager", only represents their interests, saying the right words for the people, and doing the right things for the chosen "celestials", the owners of factories, newspapers, steamships. Nuclear weapons...
        "Russia can have as many nuclear briefcases and nuclear buttons as it wants, but since the Russian elite's 500 billion dollars are in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is this your elite or is it ours? I don't see any situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential".

        This was said by the enemy Zbigniew Brzezinski, and he, the bastard, is most likely right, with the renegades, the bad boys who sold themselves into the coveted bourgeoisie, this is a pattern. Until we return the legitimate people's power and revive the great Soviet country, we can ask for a long time "for how long" and wipe our hands.
        1. +11
          4 June 2025 09: 09
          Our national project? It is very doubtful that it is "ours" and not our dear "partners".
          Everything is accurate, as the former adviser to the President of Ukraine “prophesied” to us back in 2009:
          “The Anglo-Saxons are imposing a new Crimean War on Russia - as another round of dismantling the Russian branch of civilizational development.
          Of course, ideally Ukraine needs to unite with Russia and give a joint response to the enemy. The whole point is not that the current Ukraine is led by a pro-Western government, but that a pro-Western government leads Russia itself. There is no one to unite with. Therefore, in the near future, we and the Russians will be killing each other, and the Anglo-Saxons will be rubbing their hands."
          1. man
            +6
            4 June 2025 11: 26
            Quote: Alexander Odintsov
            Our national project? It is very doubtful that it is "ours" and not our dear "partners".
            Everything is accurate, as the former adviser to the President of Ukraine “prophesied” to us back in 2009:
            “The Anglo-Saxons are imposing a new Crimean War on Russia - as another round of dismantling the Russian branch of civilizational development.
            Of course, ideally Ukraine needs to unite with Russia and give a joint response to the enemy. The whole point is not that the current Ukraine is led by a pro-Western government, but that a pro-Western government leads Russia itself. There is no one to unite with. Therefore, in the near future, we and the Russians will be killing each other, and the Anglo-Saxons will be rubbing their hands."

            Wow! This guy must have invented a time machine! hi
          2. man
            +4
            4 June 2025 12: 22
            We firmly believed in friendship with the West, as our president said, we "wanted to be our own, bourgeois." "To join the family of civilized nations"? Well, we did, and what are the consequences?
            We are not theirs
            Nobody needs competitors
            we don't need a strong Russia

            If you read the book by the great Zinoviev "The West", you will see that Alexander Alexandrovich foresaw this back in 1993 (!)
            I speak from memory: "And no matter how much the Russians apologize for their socialist past and how much they curse the communists, etc., it will not help them in any way, they will never become one of their own. The West does not need competitors."
            I can't vouch for the accuracy of the text, but I conveyed the meaning.
            1. +1
              5 June 2025 11: 02
              That's right. Zinoviev wrote: "They aimed for communism, but ended up in Russia." "Russia was killed because it had once carried out a great evolutionary revolution." Of course, that's why he was removed for the USSR.
          3. +1
            6 June 2025 03: 31
            Quote: Alexander Odintsov
            Our national project? It is very doubtful that it is "ours" and not our dear "partners".
            Everything is accurate, as the former adviser to the President of Ukraine “prophesied” to us back in 2009:
            “The Anglo-Saxons are imposing a new Crimean War on Russia - as another round of dismantling the Russian branch of civilizational development.
            Of course, ideally Ukraine needs to unite with Russia and give a joint response to the enemy. The whole point is not that the current Ukraine is led by a pro-Western government, but that a pro-Western government leads Russia itself. There is no one to unite with. Therefore, in the near future, we and the Russians will be killing each other, and the Anglo-Saxons will be rubbing their hands."

            Well, what a "seer"! Only when I left Ukraine in 1992 I said the same thing! Maybe not so "floridly", but essentially accurate!
        2. +4
          4 June 2025 10: 27
          When the enemy praises you in all the newspapers, the Internet and other media platforms for the "best economy", "grandmaster moves", for the exchange rate in our country, for everything. This means that the enemy is brazenly lying, deceiving and preparing to strike not only in the back, but also in the front. And if this is not understood in the country that the enemy praises, then we should expect something very bad and disgusting for the country. Well, whoever falls for this bait, define it yourself. You can use swear words. And don't expect miracles.
          1. man
            +4
            4 June 2025 11: 48
            Quote: Taimen
            When the enemy praises you in all the newspapers, the Internet and other media platforms for the "best economy", "grandmaster moves", for the exchange rate in our country, for everything. This means that the enemy is brazenly lying, deceiving and preparing to strike not only in the back, but also in the front. And if this is not understood in the country that the enemy praises, then we should expect something very bad and disgusting for the country. Well, whoever falls for this bait, define it yourself. You can use swear words. And don't expect miracles.

            You are saying obvious things, and unfortunately, they are true, but in our country it is not customary to upset the chief ostriches with inconvenient truths...
      2. 0
        5 June 2025 12: 45
        So what is this? - this is one of Russia's national projects, no less.

        It is. This is quite natural and it corresponds to the desire of the people.
        They did conduct a survey, I don't remember the exact wording, but they asked if you want a continuation of the SVO or the Second Great Patriotic War. The OVERWHELMING majority said they want a continuation of the SVO.
    3. AAK
      +4
      4 June 2025 10: 39
      Only the new elite can try (and even then only try) to return the money taken out by the "old" elite to the Motherland; the only question is whether it will want to do this or whether the accounts will remain in the same banks in the "partner West", only changing owners...
    4. man
      +2
      4 June 2025 11: 16
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Quote: Alexander Odintsov
      Return the elites to their homeland and subordinate them to the country
      Return the money taken out by the "elites". Return every last penny! And leave the so-called "elites" there, in the West, the country doesn't need such crap.

      It's hard to disagree with you, but... I'm embarrassed to ask, but how... to return... every last penny...?
      1. 0
        5 June 2025 09: 03
        Quote: mann
        and how... to return... to the last penny...?
        A soldering iron in the ass or an iron on the stomach. I understand that this method is not the most humane, but for the sake of the country's well-being, you can try. And entrust all this to some conventional Petrov or Bashirov. Or both at once wink
        1. man
          +1
          5 June 2025 17: 24
          A soldering iron in the ass or an iron on the stomach.
          "Shura, are you a Komsomol member? This is not our method!"
      2. +1
        5 June 2025 15: 35
        I think that without thermal anal cryptanalysis it is really impossible to get to those accounts.
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    6. 0
      5 June 2025 08: 58
      Russia... has stopped defending its national interests harshly, from a position of strength until the victorious end.
      Well, we dreamed… In the history of modern Russia there has been no other case than the “NVO-non-war”, when Russia so harshly, from a position of strength and preventive war… defended its national interests.
      Few people understand... the meaning of what is happening. The situation... since 2014 is a smooth (!!!!!) trajectory of the state's rebirth, and it may happen this year. Cyclically, it corresponds to 1917 and 1941 - both were turning points for the country.

      "A smooth transformation..." you say? Who is "smooth" - probably China after the "smooth" Cultural Revolution and Tinyanmen??? Or certainly South Africa and Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) after the "smooth" apartheid of oppression and flight of whites?? Or of course Yugoslavia "smoothly" disintegrated after wars of national and religious hatred and "NATO assistance"??? Or finally, the USSR "smoothly" flew like a rockfall of fragments into the infinity of the bottom of Gorbachevshchina and Yeltsism???

      There is no smooth transformation of even small states... Even the most successful Estonia and Lithuania have gone through a series of economic and interethnic crises. Even the silk metamorphosis of Czechoslovakia (let's not forget the results of the Prague Spring of 68!!) into the Czech Republic and Slovakia is a collapse!!! Perhaps Hungary and Poland made the least conflictual transition to capitalism and Western democracy - but let's remember "Solidarity" and Martial Law in Poland. And Hungary's opening of the border with Austria led to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the GDR (along with Gorbachev's de facto betrayal of the only true and loyal ally of the USSR)... perhaps it happened smoothly in Hungary, but this is an exception that emphasizes the rule.

      And this “cyclical nature of the turning point of rebirth” of 1917 and 1941 is by no means smooth, and I hope that nothing even similar, even close to catastrophic... than these two years and the Nineties... awaits Russia no more.

      Moreover, both in 1917 and 1941, Russia - the USSR firmly defended what was undoubtedly considered by the Russian people (except for revolutionaries), national interests. However, it was poorly prepared - and the Russian people survived the Time of Troubles of 1917, and the quasi-disastrous 1941... how many died with ignorance of the Victory in these inevitable years of 1941-1942...

      There is no need for new "smooth" by definition, and critical and destructive in form and content experiments on the people, the multinational people of Russia - the Empire in content, on the state-forming Russian people!!! There is no need to disturb the established balance between the Metropolis and the Periphery... Let the people live at least somehow in this "NVO-non-war" not Patriotic, not Patriotic, not People's, not Liberation, not Great... but in form, coverage, and even in content - a national project - with a shift to the right, fluctuations in goal-setting, underfunding and inefficiency. God forbid Russia from such "smooth transformations" and "turning points" of 1917, 1941, 1990-1995
  2. +7
    4 June 2025 05: 56
    Bring back the Russian empire, albeit in a truncated form. Don't "grind it down"
    So they have already returned it, in a castrated form, though, but here they have taken the word truncated in their own way...
  3. +15
    4 June 2025 06: 09
    When the author of the article writes that all current problems are a direct consequence of the dismantling of the USSR and the return of the country to the period before 1917, then a lot is left unsaid. Firstly, it is left unsaid that these same Yeltsinites, whose idol Yeltsin was the one who dismantled the USSR, are still in power. Many of them carried briefcases or umbrellas for Yeltsin or Sobchak from the cohort of destroyers of the USSR, and when Soviet troops were withdrawn from the GDR state they destroyed or from the independent Baltics they created, none of them even uttered a peep against Gorbachev and Yeltsin. They approved of all this. Secondly, if we talk about Russia's return to the period before 1917, then we must definitely emphasize the country's return to the period of Nicholas II, otherwise we might seem naive that the country is returning to eras like Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, that is, to those eras when Russia grew from the small Muscovite kingdom to the largest and most powerful empire in Europe! But under the spineless liberal Nicholas, the empire collapsed, as it did under the liberals Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
    Well, how can we solve the current problems if these same Yeltsinites are still in power???
    1. +1
      4 June 2025 07: 17
      Quote: North 2
      Today these same Yeltsinites are still in power
      And the Yeltsinites are former communists who changed their tune in the air. wink
    2. -1
      4 June 2025 08: 25
      Quote: north 2
      Peter the Great
      By the way, he was really smitten with the West.
      1. -5
        4 June 2025 12: 14
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: north 2
        Peter the Great
        By the way, he was really smitten with the West.

        Taki, yes!
        1. +1
          4 June 2025 18: 13
          So he said that we only need Europe for a couple of decades. And he planned expansion into Persia, etc. Besides, all the great powers were in Europe and Peter dragged Russia into their ranks. Do not darken the memory of a great man. His deeds were worthy.
    3. +10
      4 June 2025 09: 12
      then there is much left unsaid here. Firstly, there is much left unsaid about the fact that today the same Yeltsinites, whose idol Yeltsin dismantled the USSR, are still in power.
      We are still governed by people who worked with Yeltsin, and we follow the same liberal principles. And here is the "confession" of the former US ambassador to Russia in 2012: "We cooperate with the Russian government on hundreds of issues. So it is not anti-American, it is pro-American." Has much changed? It is clear from the West. And we have the same picture, except for the conflict and Crimea is ours. The Bank of Russia follows the instructions of the IMF, the Minister of Finance and the head of the Central Bank are IMF employees; we follow the trend of world government projects. Where do we get our constant import of migrants from Central Asia?
      Answer: Russia officially cooperates with the International Organization for Migration (IOM), acting on behalf of the UN, which has adopted programs for the resettlement of citizens of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan to Russia in order to reduce poverty in Central Asian countries. Joining the IOM was done as part of the implementation of the order of the President of the Russian Federation dated August 16, 2020 No. Pr-1311. In February 2021, the President submitted the organization's charter to the State Duma for consideration. In April 2021, Russia became a full member of the IOM.
      And how many of these "zh-zh not without reason"? Raising the retirement age and VAT, limiting the growth of foreign exchange reserves in gold, exporting it abroad are also fulfilled "recommendations" of the IMF.
      1. +2
        4 June 2025 10: 43
        Well, well, the damned West is to blame for everything, yeah. But what if it's not so? What if the "West's fault" is just a smokescreen, designed to distract the population and hide the real reasons and the real beneficiaries of what's happening? What if everything that's happening in the country is being done by those who have made their way to the top with the sole purpose of enslaving the people of the country, making sure that they, the people, don't yelp and keep their mouths shut, making the country their fiefdom and a permanent feeding ground for themselves, the irreplaceable ones, and their descendants? But what if it is so?
        1. +2
          4 June 2025 10: 51
          When Putin was younger, he used to say something like this

          But what if this is not so? What if the "West's fault" is just a smokescreen, designed to distract the population and hide the real reasons and the real beneficiaries of what is happening?


          V.V. Putin: - "I will tell you that, look, the constant pointing to foreign countries as the source of all our troubles is wrong. Wrong in its essence. All our troubles are within ourselves. Everything stems from our own carelessness and weakness. Look, wherever you go, we have Chechnya everywhere. And not only in the North Caucasus. I am speaking figuratively, right? If you poke your nose into our economy, there is nothing but trouble and grief. So, look at our international relations, at our relations in the near abroad. We have some kind of gaping hole, a problem everywhere."


          And in fact, nothing has changed in the country, and it’s strange (although probably not, it’s just time to “unite” and an external enemy is needed).
          1. -2
            4 June 2025 11: 03
            Quote: V.V. Putin
            I will tell you that, look, the constant pointing to foreign countries as the source of all our troubles is wrong. Wrong in its essence. All our troubles are in ourselves...

            Quote from 1999.

            Quote: Oldrover
            in fact, nothing has changed in the country

            Exactly. There is gangster lawlessness and seven-banker rule in the country, the military-industrial complex delays salaries for six months, etc. Nothing has changed, exactly.
            1. -2
              4 June 2025 12: 20
              Quote: Paranoid62
              Military-industrial complex delays salary for six months

              Lie! Sometimes it happens a day earlier.
              "Minus" to you for deceiving the people.
              1. +2
                4 June 2025 13: 20
                Quote: Rusich
                Quote: Paranoid62
                Military-industrial complex delays salary for six months

                Lie! Sometimes it happens a day earlier.
                "Minus" to you for deceiving the people.

                You are unfamiliar with the word "sarcasm"? Learn the language, "rusich" negative
            2. -1
              4 June 2025 13: 05
              What does salary and so on have to do with it? Putin said then:
              I'm speaking figuratively, right? If you stick your nose into our economy, there's nothing but trouble and grief. So, look at our international relations, at our relations in the near abroad. We have some kind of gaping hole, a problem everywhere.


              What has changed in 25 years, there are problems in the economy, international relations in the near abroad have become worse, there are also problems in demography, now the birth rate is even lower than in 1999, the population, if you believe the data on the Internet for 2024, is one million lower than in 1999.
              1. -1
                4 June 2025 13: 19
                Quote: Oldrover
                What has changed in 25 years, there are problems in the economy

                Are they comparable to those in 1999?

                Quote: Oldrover
                International relations in the near abroad have become worse

                They were even then - worse than ever. Where exactly, and what exactly - has become worse, in your opinion?

                Quote: Oldrover
                now the birth rate is even lower than in 1999, the population according to the data on the internet for 2024 is one million lower than in 1999

                Has nothing to do with the topic.

                You tactfully kept silent about the seven-banker regime. And why am I not surprised... laughing
                1. +2
                  4 June 2025 13: 42
                  Are they comparable to those in 1999?


                  But isn’t it true that, for example, there are more problems in medicine now than there were in 99; after all the optimizations and cuts, education and even the police have slumped, strangely enough.

                  They were even then - worse than ever. Where exactly, and what exactly - has become worse, in your opinion?


                  I don’t remember Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, etc. behaving so openly in 99, but it’s not a question of them remaining the same.

                  Has nothing to do with the topic


                  Of course it is inconvenient because it turns out that in 25 years of rule we have come to an even worse demographic position than in 99, this is probably due to good economic development.

                  You tactfully kept silent about the seven-banker regime. And why am I not surprised...


                  What can we say about her? Instead of them came Abramovich, Rotenberg, Potanin, etc.
                  1. -5
                    4 June 2025 14: 54
                    Quote: Oldrover
                    Isn't it true that there are more problems in medicine now, for example?

                    So laughing The level is clear.

                    You see, I already mentioned that I can troll too. But, firstly, I have no time, and secondly, I'm frankly lazy. Therefore, in order to save time and gray cells - let's stop right away? Well, that is, you will stop Yes

                    Quote: Oldrover
                    Of course it is inconvenient because it turns out that in 25 years of rule we have come to an even worse demographic position than we had in 99.

                    If my sclerosis doesn’t fail me, we’ve been moving there smoothly since 1970.

                    Quote: Oldrover
                    This is probably due to good economic development

                    Well, yes, of course (s).

                    Quote: Paranoid62
                    You tactfully kept silent about the seven-banker regime. And why am I not surprised...

                    Quote: Oldrover
                    What can we say about her? Instead of them came Abramovich, Rotenberg, Potanin, etc.

                    This is called - comparing a butt with a finger. The Seven Bankers were real oligarchs (see definition. On the Internet), those you listed are called oligarchs only by those who don't know the meaning of words. But you certainly know them?

                    Okay, let's chalk it up to my enthusiasm for controversy... the first time - it's forgiven wink

                    Total: I'm not very interested in you yet. And why you were put in "yellow pants" - I absolutely don't understand.
            3. man
              +1
              4 June 2025 13: 15
              Quote: Paranoid62
              Quote: V.V. Putin
              I will tell you that, look, the constant pointing to foreign countries as the source of all our troubles is wrong. Wrong in its essence. All our troubles are in ourselves...

              Quote from 1999.

              Quote: Oldrover
              in fact, nothing has changed in the country

              Exactly. There is gangster lawlessness and seven-banker rule in the country, the military-industrial complex delays salaries for six months, etc. Nothing has changed, exactly.

              It's true, I'll add that it wasn't only in the military-industrial complex. The governors "twisted" money with impunity...
          2. -2
            4 June 2025 12: 18
            Quote: Oldrover
            it's time to "unite" and an external enemy is needed

            I applaud!
          3. man
            +1
            4 June 2025 13: 10
            Quote: Oldrover
            When Putin was younger, he used to say something like this

            But what if this is not so? What if the "West's fault" is just a smokescreen, designed to distract the population and hide the real reasons and the real beneficiaries of what is happening?


            V.V. Putin: - "I will tell you that, look, the constant pointing to foreign countries as the source of all our troubles is wrong. Wrong in its essence. All our troubles are within ourselves. Everything stems from our own carelessness and weakness. Look, wherever you go, we have Chechnya everywhere. And not only in the North Caucasus. I am speaking figuratively, right? If you poke your nose into our economy, there is nothing but trouble and grief. So, look at our international relations, at our relations in the near abroad. We have some kind of gaping hole, a problem everywhere."


            And in fact, nothing has changed in the country, and it’s strange (although probably not, it’s just time to “unite” and an external enemy is needed).

            You are unfair. Young Putin really did a lot for the country and ordinary people. I remember those times very well, long delays in paying meager salaries and pensions, unlimited power and the impudence of the oligarchs (Gusinsky almost sent the Prosecutor General to hell), the lawlessness of the bandits, etc. Putin stopped a lot, the standard of living of the population under him grew every year. But in the fight against the oligarchs, he needed someone to rely on. So Putin chose officials, who else? There were clearly not enough friends for the entire huge country... With the help of officials, Putin managed to ensure annual economic growth. Another thing is that officials need to be kept in an iron fist, and at first Putin managed to cope... until 2014. And only then did the officials go crazy...
            This is short and simple..
            1. -2
              4 June 2025 16: 52
              Young Putin really did a lot for the country and ordinary people.


              I don’t even argue with this, if Putin hadn’t started to cheat with the constitution and hadn’t gone for a third term, then there wouldn’t have been problems with officials, in fact, they are a consequence of the fact that Putin built his vertical.
              1. -2
                4 June 2025 18: 23
                And I agree with the changes to the constitution. And about the third term, and about 6 years, and about not being subordinate to a foreign court.
                Is long-term certainty bad? And the fact that our legislation should not contradict the European one was also wrong. But what if Europe had passed a law that the earth's interior is not state property, but American property?
            2. +2
              5 June 2025 11: 08
              You are not fair. Young Putin really did a lot for the country and ordinary people. I remember those times very well, long delays in paying meager salaries and pensions, unlimited power and impudence of oligarchs (Gusinsky almost sent the Prosecutor General to hell), bandits' lawlessness, etc. Putin stopped a lot, the standard of living of the population under him grew every year. But in the fight against the oligarchs, he needed someone to rely on. So Putin chose officials, who else? There were clearly not enough friends for the entire huge country... With the help of officials, Putin managed to ensure annual economic growth.
              The President has merit. But the main thing is that we are now continuing Yeltsin's course, it's just that the price of oil has increased. The country has become richer. The President is not fighting the oligarchy. They, like the officials, are his support. Both classes have received the right to enrich themselves - raw materials harrows at the expense of the people's resources, and officials at the expense of the budget. Of course, we also get something.
              1. man
                +1
                5 June 2025 14: 10
                The President deserves credit. But the main thing is that we are now continuing Yeltsin's course, it's just that the price of oil has increased. The country has become richer.
                There are differences, and significant ones. There are attempts to produce ourselves, somewhere timid (industry), somewhere quite successful (agriculture), but the vector of development is obvious.
                And the rise in oil prices under the Yeltsinoids would only lead to even greater enrichment of the oligarchy, but not the country, I assure you. smile
                The president is not fighting the oligarchy. They, like the officials, are his support.
                He doesn't fight with his friends, of course, they are his main support. With the rest it's different. He got rid of the most rabid ones (Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, Gusinsky), ruined the disobedient ones (Ismailov), subdued the third ones. But there's trouble with the officials, he dismissed them after 2014... apparently he had other things to do... sad
  4. +7
    4 June 2025 06: 15
    Bravo, Author! I agree with you completely.
  5. +11
    4 June 2025 06: 29
    ...But why has the war in Ukraine been going on for three years? Why did the Ukrainian Armed Forces enter Kursk, which was also absolutely impossible during the Soviet era?...

    Because at the moment Russia, or rather our "upper crust", is more interested in a "deal" than Europe, Ukraine and the USA. It is worth admitting that there are both objective and subjective reasons for this...
  6. +9
    4 June 2025 06: 40
    isn't it time for us
    I have always been surprised by such use of pronouns. Who are we? The authorities live their own lives. When they pass laws, they say that it is for the good without specifying their good. Recently they posted a rating again, the rich got even richer...
  7. 0
    4 June 2025 06: 41
    We need to be reborn, to return to our roots in the period before 1985.

    How's that?
  8. +7
    4 June 2025 07: 32
    To play "your game" you need to have creative abilities. China has shown its worth in this. And they slipped us a constitution. It's interesting, we have a president, and China has a chairman (not a p-president). China plays its game with foreign notes, ours... trade. How similar we are to Ukraine, they squandered their power, and so did we.
    Compared to China, we are in a worse position. When will the gravity of the situation and the corresponding magnitude of the tasks be realized?
    1. +8
      4 June 2025 09: 14
      The Kremlin has not yet publicly voiced a global project for the return of the original Russian lands, although this motive was present in the President's address at the beginning of the SVO. As the majority of our population and patriotic politicians believe, they must be returned, which is the only guarantee of ending the conflict.
      Let's remove all illusions: there is no such plan, and it simply cannot exist ideologically. Although D. Medvedev periodically voices our "imperial plans", all this is more for the public. There also cannot be plans for a large-scale military operation in Ukraine.
      The entire course of the conflict since 2014 has been calculated with brilliant precision. "Crimea is ours" - saved the liberal system, which was ready to collapse from the deadlock of the 2011-2012 Bolotnaya protests. Then came the Minsk agreements, as a consequence of the SVO, and now the deal with Trump is coming. Whether we like it or not, in fact the operation is being carried out in the spirit of continuity of the 2014 course.
      1. +3
        4 June 2025 10: 03
        The Kremlin has not yet publicly announced a global project to return the original Russian lands, although this motive was present in the President’s address at the beginning of the Second World War.


        Why is no one voicing a project to develop the territories that we already have, so that the Far East would be as developed as Japan, for example, to make it so that the best minds and specialists from the West would want to move to us for permanent residence, and not vice versa.
  9. +8
    4 June 2025 07: 39
    But Reagan charmed Gorbachev

    "They fooled the fool with four fists," one person said sarcastically about Gorbachev. And he added that the West had fooled the then President of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev. And everyone then thought that it would be impossible to fool this man, a former FSB colonel!
    1. +8
      4 June 2025 07: 45
      Nobody deceived anyone, it's just that someone got offended by Western sanctions in 2014 and launched anti-Western propaganda. And the enemies of the USSR were happy with the new "image of the enemy". They don't care who to hate, as long as there is someone to hate.
    2. +5
      4 June 2025 09: 26
      Quote: Stas157
      And it seemed to everyone then

      "Ah what a man was
      This colonel
      ".
      1. +3
        4 June 2025 23: 17
        Quote: Per se.
        "Oh, what a man he was,
        "A real colonel."

        Against the background of "Ryazan sugar"? wink
        1. -1
          5 June 2025 06: 50
          Rather, this is related to the theme of a previously popular song from Pugacheva’s repertoire.
  10. +5
    4 June 2025 07: 45
    would have occupied it within 10 days (see the plan “Seven Days to the Rhine River”).

    These are plans that had a low probability of happening.
    And now we have a lot of nuclear weapons.

    Very little.
    there is everything to destroy the whole world several times

    It's not even enough for the USA.
    But why has the war in Ukraine been going on for three years?

    This is the state of the army and the level of weapons.
    We firmly believed in friendship with the West, as our president said, we “wanted to be our own, bourgeois.”

    They are already on their own there, all the president's wishes are fulfilled. Resources are being muddyed, money is being made, yachts and business jets are hanging out...
    "Enter the family of civilized nations"? Well, we did, and what are the consequences?

    Well, for example, the author can use the Internet to throw tantrums at the entire enlightened world.
    Isn't it clear that Trump doesn't need a strong Russia?

    What sincere naivety. Who in the world needs this except ourselves? Indonesia, maybe, or Peru?
    After all, Germany is in our debt not only for the Great Patriotic War, but also for its free unification.

    Sincere naivety - 2. The service rendered is worth nothing.
    We need to be reborn, to return to our roots in the period before 1985

    Be more specific please.
    Bring back the Russian empire, albeit in a truncated form.

    A, i.e. until 1917!
    Remember how 40 years ago no one could even utter a peep about our Motherland

    I strain my memory... 40 years ago China openly supported the Mujahideen of Afghanistan, armed them to the teeth, and conducted aggressive anti-Soviet propaganda. And before that, it killed Soviet border guards in 1969 at Damanskoye and at Lake Zhalanashkol.
    Place your bets, gentlemen!

    Gentlemen? Not comrades?
    P.S.: a pensioner's lamentations about his youth...
    1. +4
      4 June 2025 08: 27
      Yes, I also don’t understand - how does the author want to bring back both the Russian empire and the USSR at the same time?! wassat
    2. +5
      4 June 2025 09: 33
      Dear Evgeny, you have written a lot here. I will answer briefly. There was the USSR that won the Great Patriotic War and occupied half of Europe. Which had half the world as allies. Which had an army armed to the teeth and which EVERYONE took into account. Did you live at that time? Those who lived remember all this. Then they simply removed the USSR and put here people who would like to be in the same harness with the West. And many still want to. Our Course is a continuation of the 90s line, only with higher oil prices. Carefully disguised by patriotism and achievements from TV. That is actually the whole theory. But it explains 99% of what is happening from the problems in our army, the oddities of the NVO and our technological backwardness. I think no one will add anything here.
      1. +1
        4 June 2025 16: 09
        There was the USSR that won the Great Patriotic War

        Our Course is a continuation of the 90s line

        Don't you know that in the 90s it was already a completely different country?
  11. +14
    4 June 2025 08: 02
    We firmly believed in friendship with the West, as our president said, we "wanted to be our own, bourgeois." "To join the family of civilized nations"? Well, we did, and what are the consequences?


    So our president was the first to deceive not even the West, but his own people, he promised not to hold on to power, not to rewrite the constitution, he explained in detail that it is dangerous to be president for more than two terms, you lose your courage, a camarilla forms around you, and you can simply go crazy. Maybe the reason is not primarily in the West, by the way, at the beginning of his term Putin said that the reason for our troubles is not in the West, but in us.
  12. +5
    4 June 2025 08: 36
    From the delivery of the Taurus to a new attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the triad: isn’t it time for us to start our own game?

    so apart from "games" - we - see nothing: on the box they say one thing, but in our life it's completely different...
    aren't these games?
    yes, games, only with those who can't "give back"...
    and what the author suggests doesn't look like a game at all, most likely (from sports) it's a "fixed match"...
  13. +4
    4 June 2025 09: 02
    What surprises me more is not that "we were deceived."
    The fact is that the current elites of the West have lost the flexibility and cunning of their predecessors, who achieved more with flattery and promises than with trillion-dollar military injections.
    Why was it necessary to demolish Yanukovych, who was generally obedient to them, and organize a Maidan, trying to throw us out of Sevastopol, when the lease agreement for the base was ending in 2017, and it is clear that even Yanukovych and Azarov would not have extended it for us?
    No, it was necessary to arrange this whole explosion in 14, with an unexpected result: the tasty Crimea, for which everything was started, was gone forever and hopelessly!
    Was it because the "expert" and performer was a market woman, the impudent and stupid Vika?
    And why was it necessary to build third-rate "Forbes", wildly loyal and living in the West "our" alligators, parasitizing on our country and destroying it like helminths plucking? To arrest and squeeze out what they live for - from the yacht and "Chelsea"? Why was it necessary to force the creative "elite" occupying 80% of the theater, cinema and entertainment TV to stick out their pig snouts and angrily grunt at their source of fame and money?
    This is the barbaric level of Western experts, their impudence and self-confidence, when Biden is a giant of thought!
    Trump is smarter, but he is in a zuzwang situation: no matter what you do, everything will get worse!
    I hope that we have exhausted the limit of our costly mistakes, but the West has only just uncorked its own. At least, it does not yet admit them, but does not see them, and therefore does not correct them.
    So Estonian Kaka will continue to tell China who to deal with and what kind of business. Good luck to her in this field, the Chinese are waiting for her further instructions.
    1. +5
      4 June 2025 09: 42
      What surprises me more is not that "we were deceived."
      The fact is that the current elites of the West have lost the flexibility and cunning of their predecessors, who achieved more with flattery and promises than with trillion-dollar military injections.
      Dear Andrey, you are absolutely right. Why did they have to enter into conflict with us when it was clear that in 2012 we were looking for a United Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok? The answer is simple. They weakened us in the 90s and 2000s, both militarily and economically. They even appointed Serdyukov immediately after his speech in Munich (what a paradox, we say one thing and do the opposite) so that he could polish it all off. They thought that we would collapse. But it didn’t happen. The opposite processes have started, which will turn us back. In any case, the stronger the conflict, the greater our strength. The worse the relations with the West, the better for us. This is the opportunity for our change.
  14. -3
    4 June 2025 12: 26
    Then we turned to the East, and now we have Chinese cars. This was impossible in the USSR.

    Under the USSR, we wouldn’t have had Chinese cars, but crappy chariots that were 40 years behind global manufacturers.
  15. +2
    4 June 2025 12: 37
    After all, we stopped the Swedes, the Poles, Napoleon and Hitler? Who's next? They all know, they remember. But they're not afraid yet.
    and we also lost the rat war, the Russo-Japanese war, we shit ourselves in Afghanistan, and for 3 years and 3 months now we haven’t been able to smoke out the Bandar-logs from Donbass, we get juicy slaps in the face, one after another, we get outflanked, and the whole world laughs at it.
    1. +1
      4 June 2025 14: 05
      For 3 years and 3 months you have not been able to smoke out the Bandar-logs from Donbass, we receive juicy slaps in the face, one after another, we are dodging, and the whole world is laughing at this.
      Because it was planned that way: the West, having destroyed the USSR, dreamed of setting up a weakened country with a dependent elite against itself in the 90s, which it partially succeeded in doing. The main thing is that the SVO should have been launched not in 2022, but in 2014 - and we would have achieved obvious success: when the Ukrainian Armed Forces, even from the volunteer army of Donbass, fell from one cauldron to another, having lost their fighting spirit and motivation. Because Fate was preparing a gift for us, laying our enemies at our feet: but we consciously rejected this gift. Then everything would be fine now.
      1. +1
        4 June 2025 18: 42
        when the Ukrainian Armed Forces even found themselves in a cauldron with the Donbass volunteer army,

        I'll let you in on a tinny little secret... She received pot after pot from the Russian army.
      2. 0
        12 June 2025 20: 22
        Because that's how it was meant to be

        And because we have
        some people prefer to pretend they don't understand this
  16. +2
    4 June 2025 15: 32
    there is everything to destroy the whole world several times.

    The author is a dreamer, there is nothing like that.
  17. -3
    4 June 2025 18: 39
    For some reason the article stubbornly compares us with the times of the USSR. Why not with 1813? Or with 1721?
    And the rest is just snot and tears. And also an incomprehensible call to something.
    1. 0
      4 June 2025 19: 40
      You can also compare it with 1242...
  18. +2
    4 June 2025 19: 39
    The West, having destroyed the USSR, dreamed in the 90s of setting up a weakened country with a dependent elite against itself, which it partially succeeded in doing.

    Partially - the author, you are a very big optimist, I would say boundless

    So, the choice is yours: place your bets, gentlemen!

    The gentlemen have already made their bets, and we, not the gentlemen, are left to think about how to survive under the conditions of their bets.
  19. +3
    4 June 2025 21: 28
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    But what if everything that happens in the country is done by those who have climbed to the top with the sole purpose of enslaving the people of the country, making sure that they, the people, don't yelp and keep their mouths shut, making the country their fiefdom and a permanent feeding place for themselves, the irreplaceable ones, and their descendants? And what if that's true?

    And for this purpose start the SVO and create extra problems for yourself and the people? Somehow it doesn't fit with logic.
  20. Ana
    +2
    5 June 2025 10: 29
    The ebb and flow of History, they are regular as centrifugal and centripetal forces, ultimately balancing each other or destroying the system. As for the West? "Why do we love to hate Russia so much? The history of confrontation from Charlemagne to the Ukrainian crisis," Swiss journalist Guy Mittan wrote. Well, that's since the Council of Nicaea. What is not subject to Rome, since then we are together - apart. Elites, elites who have lost power as such, but have the opportunity to earn income on national territory, paying fair taxes. This is still our future elite. Of course, it will strive for power. And, of course, a system of checks and balances is needed. Perhaps the current conflict is part of the solution - a vaccine. The current pseudo-elite, in general, has significant problems. And don't worry about "giving birth", any normal woman will do it, create the most comfortable conditions so you know where to give birth. Except for yourself, of course.
    But Europe, by the way, became minimally toxic at the time when Catherine said that without my behavior not a single cannon would fire, well, such a dominant position on the continent may be excessive, in my opinion. And it will create too many rivals. In the 1s, the Soviet army, probably, could have reached the English Channel in 50 weeks, as they said, and it would not have been a fact that it would have stopped. A large country with gigantic potential, in fact, was dragged into burrows for women's beads, after all, there must be internal immunity to such things. At the level of law, at the level of anything, you can call it patriotism, including with a sense of strategic benefit. That's right, in order to receive a lot of income constantly, you need to protect the Country, in my opinion, this is obvious.
  21. +2
    5 June 2025 21: 13
    I recently read the memoirs of participants in the partisan movement in the Leningrad and Pskov regions.
    And there was an interesting phrase: “the best remedy for sabotage is sabotage.”
    The memoirs describe how partisan warfare in the deep rear tied down huge forces of the fascists. Which led to a significant weakening of sabotage activities against the Red Army.
  22. 0
    12 June 2025 18: 32
    It's time for Russia, like the USSR, to start its own game: it can't have any dealings with the West.

    Probably, if we continue the logical chain, then we will end up like the USSR? Is that what you want? All this reminds me of a disabled person: legs are long gone, but phantom pains still haunt me. And it is a lie that the USSR had no dealings with the West. From the first days of its existence, the Soviet government did nothing but deal with the West. The economy, destroyed to pieces after the revolution and civil war, left no other way out. Foreign companies and foreign specialists built hundreds of factories, technologies and licenses were sent to the country. Read Stalin's correspondence with Western leaders: constant and persistent requests and demands for the earliest possible opening of a second front, delivery of weapons, materials, food, etc. Of course, the contingent in the VO does not shine with intelligence - that's a fact. But we should not be taken for fools either. We are doomed to cooperate with the West (and not only with it), if we do not want to return to the caves. Firstly, we live on the same planet, and secondly, such is the course of evolution of human civilization. And we are part of both. Believe me, the East is no better than the West, but much more incomprehensible to us. Any businessman who deals with them will tell you this. We are children of the Christian world, and this is the West, first of all. I tell you as a convinced atheist
    1. 0
      12 June 2025 18: 40
      Perhaps, if we continue the logical chain, we will end up like the USSR?

      The USSR was doing just that, ideas about convergence were popular, the countries of the Soviet bloc were actively taking loans from the West, and everyone should know about the promises to Gorbachev hi