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"Storm-333" or as stormed the palace of Amin

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The operation to seize the Taj Beck palace, held in December 1979 of the year in Kabul, is unparalleled in the latest stories.


"Storm-333" or as stormed the palace of Amin


Forces for this action were formed gradually. In mid-September, immediately after the seizure of power by Hafizullah Amin, 17 officers from the special forces of the KGB of the USSR, headed by Major Yakov Semenov, arrived in Kabul. They settled on one of the villas of the Soviet embassy and worked for a time in various departments.

On December 4, at a meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the CPSU, it was decided to send to Afghanistan a trained detachment of the GRU of the General Staff with a total of about 500 people. This was the so-called "Muslim" battalion under the command of Major X. T. Khalbaev, which consisted of representatives of the indigenous nationalities of the Central Asian republics. December 9 and 12 from the airfields of Chirchik and Tashkent were transferred to the Bagram air base. All officers and soldiers were dressed in Afghan military uniforms, sewn on samples sent by military intelligence. In early December, two more subgroups of the special group of the KGB Zenit (30 people each) arrived in Bagram, and the December 23 special group Grom (30 people) arrived. They had such code names in Afghanistan, at the Center they were called differently: the group “Thunder” - division “A”, or, according to journalists, “Alpha”, and “Zenith” - “Vympel”. The number of "Zenit" in Afghanistan, together with previous arrivals, reached more than 100 people. They were led by A. K. Polyakov.

Around mid-December, the forced transfer of small army units to Afghanistan began. One of them illegally arrived Babrak Karmal, who settled in Bagram under the protection of the staff of the 9-KGB headquarters headed by V. Shergin. Here were A. Vatanjar, S. Gulyabzoy and A. Sarvari, associates of the former NDPA secretary general N.M. Taraki. In mid-December, it was planned to remove Amin, and the new leadership by the time of the coup was to be in Afghanistan.

December 11 Deputy Commander of the Airborne Forces Lieutenant General N. Guskov set the task to capture the “Oak object” - the residence of Amin in the center of Kabul. There was no plan of the palace, no system of its protection. It was known only that the palace was guarded by about two thousand guardsmen. Assault entrusted only twenty-two "Zenit" and the company "Muslim" battalion. December 13 in 15.30 personnel received an order to fight. In an hour, the fighters were to move from Bagram to Kabul and take the Amin residence by storm. It is not known how this adventure would end, but, fortunately, the “hang up!” Command followed in the 16 watch.

The employees of Zenit V. Tsvetkov and F. Erokhov shot sniper rifles at 450 meters — it was from that distance that they intended to shoot at the Afghan leader. Choosing positions on the regular route of Amin in Kabul, they set off duty, but were prevented by enhanced security along the entire route.

The assassination attempt on Amin 16 December ended in failure. He was slightly injured, and his nephew Asadullah Amin, the chief of the Afghan counterintelligence, was seriously wounded and after the operation done by the Soviet surgeon A. Alekseev, the plane was sent for treatment to the Soviet Union. The An-12 plane flew from Fergana behind the opposition leaders led by B. Karmal from Fergana, who flew to the USSR again.

Only late in the evening on December 17, the “Zenit” and “Muslim” battalions were tasked to move from Bagram to Kabul to the Dar-ul-Aman area, where the new residence of the head of the DRA moved. December 18 Colonel V.V. Kolesnik, who previously led the preparation of the "Muslim" battalion, received an order from the head of the GRU, Army General P.I.Ivashutin, to fly to Afghanistan to perform a special government task. Together with him they sent Lieutenant Colonel O. U. Shvets. In December 6.30 19 they set off from the Chkalovsky airfield through Baku and Termez to Bagram. Two more fellow travelers flew from Termez - the KGB officers Major General Yu.I. Drozdov and captain 2 of the rank of E.G. Kozlov.

Kolesnik and Shvets went to the location of the battalion, which is located about a kilometer from the Taj Beck Palace, in an unfinished building, with windows without glass. Instead, they pulled a raincoat, set the stove, "stoves". That year the winter in Kabul was harsh, at night the air temperature fell to 20 degrees of frost.

On the eve of Amin, he moved to the Palace of the Taj Beck and was under the "wing" of the "Muslim" battalion.

The security system of the palace was carefully and thoughtfully organized. Inside, Amin's personal guard, consisting of his relatives and especially trusted people, served. They also wore a special uniform that was different from other Afghan soldiers: white caps, white belts and holsters, white cuffs on sleeves on caps. The second line consisted of seven posts, each of which housed four sentries armed with a machine gun, a grenade launcher and machine guns. Their change was made after two hours. The outer guard ring was formed by the deployment points of the battalion of the guard brigade (three motorized infantry and tank). They were located around the Taj Beck at a short distance. On one of the dominant heights, two were buried. tank T-54, which could shoot direct-fire terrain adjacent to the palace. In total, the guard brigade consisted of about 2,5 thousand people. In addition, there was an anti-aircraft regiment nearby, armed with twelve 100-mm anti-aircraft guns and sixteen anti-aircraft machine-gun mounts. There were other army units in Kabul: two infantry divisions and an armored brigade.

December 21 Kolesnik and Khalbayeva called the chief military adviser, Colonel-General S. K. Magometov and ordered to strengthen the guard of the palace with units of the "Muslim" battalion. They were instructed to take up defense between guard posts and the line of disposition of the Afghan battalions.

22 and 23 December, the Soviet ambassador informed Amin that Moscow had satisfied his request to send Soviet troops to Afghanistan and are ready to begin their entry on December 25. The Afghan leader expressed gratitude to the Soviet leadership and ordered the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan to assist the troops injected.

According to Magometov, when he spoke on a special connection with D. F. Ustinov, the defense minister asked him: “How is the preparation going to fulfill the plan to remove Amin from power?” But Magometov did not know anything about this. After some time, the representative of the KGB of the USSR, Lieutenant-General B. Ivanov, apparently after talking with Yu.V. Andropov, invited Magometov to himself and showed him the plan developed by the KGB officers. The chief military adviser was indignant afterwards, saying that it was not a plan, but a “filkin letter”. I had to develop an operation to seize the palace again.

Directive No. 312 / 12 / 001, signed by Ustinov and Chief of the General Staff N.V. Ogarkov on December 24, defined specific tasks for the deployment and deployment of troops on Afghan territory. Participation in hostilities was not provided. Specific combat missions of the units and units to suppress the resistance of the rebels were set a little later, in the directive of the Minister of Defense of the USSR from December 27 No. 312 / 12 / 002.
To conduct all activities related to the introduction of troops in the DRA, was given less than a day. Such haste naturally entailed additional losses.

... Magometov and Kolesnik arrived at the field telephone exchange, which was deployed at the Club-e-Askari stadium not far from the American embassy, ​​on the evening of December 24. By government communication, they called the army general SF Akhromeev (he was in Termez as part of the Operational Group of the USSR Ministry of Defense). The first deputy chief of the General Staff ordered them, by morning of December 25, to cipher the solution with two signatures. A report was immediately written at the communications center, and by two o'clock in the morning the encryption was sent. Kolesnik was appointed by the USSR Ministry of Defense as the head of the operation, which received the code name Storm-333. It was entrusted to Y. Drozdov to direct the actions of the special units of the KGB. By giving him the task of HF, Yu.V. Andropov and V.A. Kryuchkov pointed out the need to think through every detail, and most importantly, to ensure the safety of the participants in the operation as much as possible.

Amin, despite the fact that in September he deceived Brezhnev and Andropov himself (N. Taraki promised to save his life when the latter was already strangled. As a result, the Soviet leadership was “bargaining” with X. Amin for two or three days already dead by the time the leader of the April revolution), oddly enough, trusted Soviet leaders. He surrounded himself with Soviet military advisers, consulted with high-ranking representatives of the KGB and the USSR Ministry of Defense under the relevant agencies of the DRA, completely trusted only doctors from the USSR and hoped ultimately to our troops. I did not trust the Parchamists, I was waiting for an attack either from them or from the Mujahideen. However, he became a victim of political intrigue from a completely different side.

The plan of the operation envisaged not to allow the advancement of the Afghan battalions (three motorized infantry and tank) to the Taj-Bek palace. Against each battalion was supposed to act a company of special forces or paratroopers. The commander of a paratrooper company was Lieutenant Valery Vostrotin. According to Drozdov, the paratroopers stood out for their bearing, smartness and organization. I would like to make a special note about the Orient. In Afghanistan, he fought three times. First, the company commander. He was badly wounded in one of the fights in July 80. Then commanded a battalion. Another wound. At the final stage of the war, he commanded 345-th separate parachute regiment and became a Hero of the Soviet Union.

One of the most important tasks was the capture of two buried tanks. For this, 15 people were assigned, headed by the deputy commander of the "Muslim" battalion, Captain Satarov, and also four KGB snipers. The success of the entire operation depended largely on the actions of this group. They started first. To teach Afghans prematurely not to arouse suspicion, they began to carry out demonstration actions: shooting, going out of alarm and occupying established defense sectors. At night, let the lighting flares. Since there were severe frosts at night, the engines of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles were warmed up according to the schedule, so that they could be started immediately upon a signal. At first it was a concern. When the rockets were launched for the first time, the location of the battalion was instantly illuminated by the anti-aircraft regiment's searchlights, and Major Dzhandad, the palace security chief, arrived.

Gradually, the Afghans became accustomed to and stopped being wary of reacting to such "maneuvers" of the battalion. The new task in the battalion was known only to Kolesnik, Shvets and Khalbaev.

Soviet military advisers and specialists who worked in the DRA Air Defense Forces established control over all anti-aircraft weapons and ammunition storage sites, and temporarily disabled some anti-aircraft installations (they removed their sights and locks). Thus, unimpeded landing of airplanes with paratroopers was ensured.

On the night of December 24, the Commander of the Turkestan District, Colonel-General Yu.P. Maximov, by telephone, reported to the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff about the readiness of the troops to perform the task, and then sent a cipher telegram to them addressing readiness.
At 12.00:25 on December 1979, 40, the troops received an order, signed by USSR Minister of Defense D.F.Ustinov, on the passage and passage of the state border of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan by the XNUMXth Army and aviation The Air Force to begin at 15.00:25 on December XNUMX (Moscow time).
The scouts and the airborne assault battalion of Captain L.V. Khabarov were the first to cross, which was to occupy the Salang Pass, and then the rest of the 108 Motorized Division went along the pontoon bridge under the direction of General K. Kuzmin.

At the same time, the military transport aviation began airborne transport and landing of the main forces of the 103 airborne division and the remnants of the 345 separate parachute regiment to the airfields of the capital and Bagram. Unfortunately, there were no casualties - on December 19.33 25 crashed into a mountain on landing in Kabul and Il-76 (commander - captain V.Golovchin) exploded, carrying the 37 paratroopers. All paratroopers and 7 crew members died.

On December 27, the airborne units of the 103 Division, Major General I. F. Ryabchenko, and the assigned forces from the KGB of the USSR went to important administrative and special facilities in the capital and “strengthened” their guard.

Parts of the 108 Motorized Rifle Division by the morning of December 28 were concentrated in the area north-east of Kabul.

For the general public, it remained a long secret what happened then in Kabul. About this operation many different opinions were expressed, the most incredible rumors circulated. I happened to meet and talk with many participants of those events, they perceive them differently even now. Their stories are subjective and often contradict each other. Summarizing various versions and facts, I tried to restore at least an approximate picture of that day.

On December 26, advisers for the personal security of Amin - employees of the 9-th Directorate of the KGB of the USSR - were able to conduct reconnaissance saboteurs into the palace, where they all examined them carefully, after which General Drozdov compiled a floor plan of Taj Beck. The officers of the “Thunder” and “Zenith” M.Romanov, Y.Semenov, V.Fedoseyev and Z.Mazayev conducted a reconnaissance of the area and reconnaissance of firing points located at the nearest altitudes. Not far from the palace on a dais was a restaurant where the highest officers of the Afghan army used to gather. Under the pretext that the Soviet officers allegedly required to book a place to celebrate the New Year, the special forces visited the restaurant, from which the Taj Beck was clearly visible.
In the morning, 27 began direct preparation for the assault.

The Taj-Bek Palace was located on the outskirts of Kabul in Dar-ul-Aman, on a high steep hill overgrown with trees and bushes, which was also equipped with terraces, and all the approaches to it were mined. To him led a single road, heavily guarded around the clock. Its thick walls were able to hold back artillery. If we add to this that the area around the palace was sweeping, then it will become clear what a difficult task the army special forces and special groups of the KGB of the USSR faced.

Our military advisers received different tasks: some December 27 had to stay in the units for the night, organize a dinner with wards Afghans (for this they were given alcohol and a snack) and under no circumstances prevent the Afghan units from launching against the Soviet troops. Others, on the contrary, were ordered not to linger in the subdivisions for a long time, and they went home earlier than usual. Only specially appointed people remained who were instructed accordingly.

In the morning of December 27, Drozdov and Kolesnik, following the old Russian custom, washed themselves in a bath before the battle.

In the middle of the day, they once again went around the battalion’s positions, informed the officers about the plan of the operation, and announced the procedure. The commander of the "Muslim" battalion, Major Khalbayev, the commanders of the special groups M. Romanov and Y. Semenov set combat missions to the commanders of subunits and subgroups, and organized preparations for the assault.

At this time, Hafizullah Amin was in euphoria: he finally managed to achieve the cherished goal - the Soviet troops entered Afghanistan. In the afternoon of December 27, he gave a magnificent dinner, taking in his luxurious palace members of the Politburo, ministers with their families. The formal reason for the celebration was the return from Moscow of the Secretary of the PDPA Central Committee Panjshiri. He assured Amina: the Soviet leadership is satisfied with the version of Taraki’s death set forth by him and the change of the country's leader. The USSR will provide military assistance to Afghanistan.

Amin solemnly said: “Soviet divisions are already on their way here. Everything is going fine. I am constantly on the phone with Comrade Gromyko, and together we are discussing the question of how best to formulate information for the world about the provision of Soviet military aid to us. ”

Day expected performance of the Secretary General on the Afghan television. The top military ranks and the chiefs of political agencies were invited to the Taj Bek palace. However, during dinner, many guests felt bad. Some fainted. Completely "disconnected" and Amin. His wife immediately called the commander of the presidential guard, Jandad, who called the Central Military Hospital (Charsad Bistar) and the clinic of the Soviet Embassy. Products and pomegranate juice were immediately sent for examination, the suspected cooks were detained. Enhanced security mode.

When Soviet physicians, therapist Viktor Kuznechenkov and the surgeon Anatoly Alekseev, arrived at the external guard post and, as usual, began to take weapon, they were additionally also searched, which had never happened before. Something happened? Our doctors immediately identified: mass poisoning. Amin lay stripped down to his underpants, with a hanging jaw and rolling eyes. He was unconscious, in a heavy coma. Died? They felt the pulse - a barely perceptible beating.

Colonels Kuznechenkov and Alekseev, without thinking that they were violating someone’s plans, began to rescue the head of the “USSR-friendly country”. First, the jaw was inserted in place, then breathing was restored. They took him to the bathroom, washed and began to do a gastric lavage, forced diuresis ... When the jaw stopped falling and urine went, the doctors realized that Amina was saved.

At about six o'clock in the evening Kolesnik summoned Magometov to the connection and informed him that the time of the assault had been rescheduled and that he needed to start as soon as possible. After 15-20 minutes, the capture group led by captain Satarov drove away in a GAZ-66 machine in the direction of the height, where the tanks were buried. The tanks were guarded by sentries, and their crews were in the barracks, located at a distance of 150-200 meters from them. The sentries were supposed to shoot V. Tsvetkov from Zenit or D. Volkov from Thunder.

Colonel Grigory Boyarinov, who was at the Zenit’s command post, was noticeably worried because he arrived in Kabul only the day before and was not yet accustomed to the new situation. Seeing this, the captain of the 2 rank, Ewald Kozlov, decided to help him, although he was not supposed to be in the assault groups. Neither Kozlov nor Boyarinov could assume that after the storming of the palace they would become Heroes of the Soviet Union, and the colonel was not destined to return from this battle.

When Satarov's car drove up to the location of the third battalion, there suddenly came the firing of small arms. Colonel Kolesnik immediately ordered: “Fire!” And “Forward!”

The first direct fire on the palace at the command of Captain Pautova opened fire anti-aircraft self-propelled guns ("Shilki"), bringing down a sea of ​​shells. Automatic grenade launchers hit the location of the tank battalion, preventing the crews from approaching the tanks. The first to the palace according to the plan was to nominate a company of Senior Lieutenant Vladimir Sharipov, ten of which had infantry combat vehicles as subgroups of the “Thunder” led by O. Balashov, V. Yemyshev, S. Godov and V. Karpukhin. They were led by Major Mikhail Romanov. Major Yakov Semenov with his “Zenith” on four armored personnel carriers received the task to break through to the front part of the palace, and then make a throw on the pedestrian staircase that led up to the Taj Beck. At the facade, both groups were supposed to connect.

However, at the last moment the plan was changed, and the first to the building of the palace on three armored personnel carriers were the Zenit subgroups, whose elders were A. Karelin, B. Suvorov and V. Fateev. The fourth subgroup of “Zenith” headed by V. Schigolev was in the column “Thunder”. Fighting vehicles shot down external guard posts and rushed along the only road leading to the site in front of the palace. As soon as the first car passed the turn, large-caliber machine guns hit the building. All the wheels of the first armored personnel carrier were damaged, and Boris Suvorov's car immediately caught fire. The subgroup commander himself was killed, and his people were injured.

"Zenit" were forced to lie down and shoot at the windows of the palace, some of them with the help of assault ladders began to climb up the hill.
At a quarter past eight in the evening, strong explosions thundered in Kabul. This subgroup of the KGB from Zenit (the elder Boris Pleshkunov) undermined the communication “well” by cutting off the Afghan capital from the outside world.

The commandos quickly rushed out to the site in front of the Taj Bek. O. Balashov, the commander of the first subgroup of the “Thunder”, was broken through by a bullet-proof vest; in the midst of the fever, at first he did not feel the pain and rushed along with everyone to the palace, but then he was sent to the medical battalion.

The first minutes of the battle were the hardest. The KGB special groups went to storm the Taj Beck, and the main forces of the company of V. Sharipov covered the outer approaches to the palace. Other units of the "Muslim" battalion provided the outer ring of cover. Hurricane fire from the palace pressed the special forces to the ground. They rose only when the "Shilka" put down the machine gun in one of the windows. This did not last long - maybe five minutes, but it seemed to the fighters that an entire eternity had passed.

The most difficult was to break into the building itself. When the fighters advanced to the main entrance, the fire intensified. Created something unimaginable. G. Zudin was killed on the approaches to the palace, S. Kuvylin and N. Shvachko were wounded. In the very first minutes of the battle, Major M. Romanov wounded an 13 man. The commander of the group was contused. The situation was no better at Zenit. V. Ryazanov, having received a wound through the thigh, he bandaged his leg and went on the attack. A. Yakushev and V. Emyshev rushed into the building among the first ones. Afghans from the second floor threw grenades. Having barely started climbing the stairs leading to the Taj Bek, Yakushev fell down, struck down by shrapnel grenades, and Emyshev rushed to him was seriously wounded in his right hand. Later she had to be amputated.

E.Kozlov, M.Romanov, S.Golov, M.Sobolev, V.Karpuhin, A.Plusnin, V.Grishin and V.Filimonov, and also J.Semenov with fighters from Zenit V.Ryazantsev, V.Bykovsky , V. Makarov and V. Poddubny were the first to break into the building of the palace. A.Karelin, V.Shchigolev and N.Kurbanov stormed the palace from the end. The commandos acted desperately and decisively. If they didn’t come out of the premises with their hands up, then the doors would be smashed, grenades would be thrown into the room, and then, without discrimination, they would shoot from machine guns.

The officers and soldiers of Amin’s personal guard, his bodyguards (there were about 100-150 people) resisted desperately and did not surrender to captivity. From blows "Shilok" on the second floor of the palace began a fire. This had a strong moral effect on the defenders. The soldiers from the protection of Amin, having heard the Russian language and the mat, began to surrender to the highest and just strength. As it turned out, many of them studied in the airborne school in Ryazan, where, apparently, they remembered the Russian mate for life. J.Semenov, E.Kozlov, V.Anisimov, S.Golov, V.Karpuhin and A.Plusnin rushed to the second floor. M. Romanov had to stay down because of a strong concussion.

Soviet doctors in the palace hid where they could. At first they thought that the Mujahideen attacked, then the supporters of N.M. Taraki. Only later, having heard the Russian mate, they realized that they were attacking their own. Alekseev and Kuznechenkov, who were supposed to help Amin’s daughter (she had a baby), found “shelter” at the bar counter. Soon they saw Amin, who was walking along the corridor in white Adidas shorts, holding in high hands, twisted with pipes, like grenades, vials of saline. One could only imagine what kind of effort it cost him and how the needles pierced into the cubital veins were pricked.

Alekseev, having run out from the shelter, first of all pulled out needles, pressed the veins with his fingers so that blood did not ooze, and then brought the secretary general to the bar. Amin was leaning against the wall, but then there was a child crying - from somewhere in the side room, his five-year-old son was walking, smearing his fists with tears. Seeing his father, rushed to him, clasped his legs, Amin pulled him to him, and the two of them sat down against the wall.

Amin ordered his adjutant to call and warn Soviet military advisers about the attack on the palace. At the same time, he said: "The Soviet will help." But the adjutant reported that it was the Soviet ones who were shooting. These words brought the secretary general out of himself, he grabbed an ashtray and threw it at the adjutant: “You can't lie!” Then he tried to call the Chief of General Staff, the commander of the 4 tank brigade, but there was no connection.
After that, Amin quietly said: "I guessed that, that's right."

At a time when assault groups broke into the Taj Beck, the fighters of the "Muslim" battalion created a hard ring of fire around the palace, destroying everything that resisted, and cutting off the influx of new forces.

When the special forces broke through on the second floor, there was a female cry: “Amin, Amin ...” His wife, apparently, screamed. N. Kurbanov from Zenit, the only fighter who knew the local language, began to translate Semenov. Soon, the special forces saw Amin lying near the bar.
The battle in the palace did not last long (43 minutes). “Suddenly, the shooting stopped,” Yakov Semenov recalled, “I reported on the radio station Wookie-Toki to the leadership that the palace had been taken, many dead and wounded, to the main end.” After the oppositionists A.Sarvari and S.M. Gulyabzoy identified the corpse, the remains of the Afghan leader were wrapped in a carpet ... The main task was completed.

Kolesnik gave a cease-fire command and moved his command post directly to the palace. When they and Yu. Drozdov rose to the Taj Bek, the commanders of the assault groups and subunits began to approach them with reports. V. Karpukhin approached them with a helmet in his hands and showed a bullet stuck in triplex: “Look how lucky you are.” Wounded and dead were evacuated on infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.

In total, five people were killed in the KGB special groups directly during the storming of the palace, including Colonel Boyarinov. Almost everyone was injured, but those who could hold a weapon in their hands continued to fight. In the "Muslim" battalion 5 people died, injured - 35. 23 fighter, injured, remained in the ranks. For example, a senior lieutenant V.Sharipov wounded in his leg continued to lead the company entrusted to him. The seriously injured battalion physician, Captain Ibragimov, transported to the BMP in the medical battalion and the Kabul hospital. I do not know the fate of the 9-th Directorate of the KGB of the USSR, who carried out the direct protection of X. Amin. According to some reports, all of them managed to evacuate in advance.

It is likely that some of our compatriots suffered from their own: in the dark, the personnel of the "Muslim" battalion and the KGB special groups recognized each other by their white sleeves, the password "Misha Yasha" and ... mat. But after all, they were all dressed in the Afghan military uniform, and often they had to shoot and throw grenades from a decent distance. So try to keep track here at night, in the dark, and even in such a mess, who had a bandage on his sleeve, and who hadn’t ?!

During the night, the special forces carried the guard of the palace, as they feared that divisions and a tank brigade stationed in Kabul would go to attack. But this did not happen. Soviet military advisers and units of the airborne troops deployed to the Afghan capital did not allow them to do so. In addition, the security services in advance paralyzed the control of the Afghan forces.

The capture of the remaining key facilities in Kabul was calm and with minimal losses.

In the evening of December 27, Yu.V. Andropov got in touch with Babrak Karmal at the aerodrome in Bagram. From himself and “personally” from Leonid Brezhnev, he congratulated Karmal on the victory of the “second stage of the revolution” and his appointment as the Chairman of the Revolutionary Council of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Karmal immediately ordered to transport him to the capital.

On the night of December 28, another motorized rifle division that had previously been deployed to Kushka (commander General Yu.V. Shatalin) entered Afghanistan. She went to Herat and Shindand. One regiment of this division was stationed at the airfield of Kandahar. Later it was reorganized into the 70 Brigade.

The killed Afghans, including two young sons X. Amin, were buried in a mass grave near the Taj Bek Palace (later, since July 1980, the headquarters of the 40 Army was located there). Amin's corpse, wrapped in a carpet, was buried there, but separately from the rest. No tombstone was delivered to him. The surviving members of his family were put in Puli-Charkhi prison, replacing the Taraki family there. Even daughter Amina, who had her legs smashed during the battle, found herself in a cell with a cold concrete floor. But mercy was alien to people whose relatives were destroyed by order of X. Amin.

In the evening, an incident occurred that nearly cost the lives of all the direct managers of Operation Storm-333. They returned to the location of the battalion in the government "Mercedes" and, although they had agreed in advance with the signals from Lieutenant General N.N. Guskov, they were fired at by the paratroopers near the General Staff building. Years later, Major General Vasily Vasilyevich Kolesnik recalled: “A rifle rang out. The car suddenly stopped and stalled. We began to shout that our own. And after the exchange of passwords, the shooting stopped. ”

When they got out of the car and raised the hood, they saw that there were five machine-gun holes. “A little higher - and everyone would die. So ineptly, ”said General Drozdov (he passed the Great Patriotic War as a front-line officer, then was resident in the United States, China and other countries).

Drozdov, Kolesnik and Shvets moved into Khalbaev’s armored personnel carrier, took the Mercedes in tow, in which Kozlov and Semenov were left, and drove to the battalion location.

Upon arrival at the site decided to "celebrate" success. “Five of us drank six bottles of vodka,” Kolesnik told me, “and it seemed as if they hadn't drunk at all. And the nervous tension was so great that, although we did not sleep, probably more than two days, none of us could fall asleep. Some analysts rated spetsnaz actions as treacherous. But what was to be done in such a situation? The question was - either they are us or we are theirs. ” And no matter how many years have passed, every special forces assault on the palace of X. Amin will remain in memory forever. It was the climax of their whole life, and they honorably fulfilled the task of their government.

Closed by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, a large group of KGB officers (about 400 people) was awarded orders and medals. Colonel G.I. Boyarinov was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union (posthumously). The same rank was awarded to V.V. Kolesnik, E.G. Kozlov and V.F. Karpukhin. Yu.I.Drozdov was awarded the Order of the October Revolution. The commander of the group "Thunder" M.M. Romanov was awarded the Order of Lenin. O.Shvets and Ya.F.Semenov were awarded the Order of the Red Banner. They also received government awards around 300 officers and soldiers of the "Muslim" battalion, of which 7 people were awarded the Order of Lenin (including Khalbaev, Satarov and Sharipov) and the order of 30 - the Order of the Military Red Banner (including V.Vostrostin). "For the storming of the palace of Amin", Colonel V.P. Kuznechenkov, as a warrior-internationalist, was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of the Army (posthumously). A. Alekseev was given a Certificate of Honor upon his departure from Kabul to his homeland.

The participants in the storming of the palace, carrying out the order, risked their lives (some were killed and injured). Another thing - for what? After all, soldiers are always pawns in someone's big game and the wars themselves never start ...
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  1. Kurbashi
    Kurbashi April 13 2013 08: 25 New
    +3
    How not to write and how not to voice it, and Amin believed “advice” and even in the last minutes of his life tried to warn the same Soviet advisers about the attack ... I think this is not a pure game to say the least ...
    1. Army1
      Army1 April 13 2013 11: 52 New
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      http://soulyga.blogspot.ru/2009/12/afghan-333.html
      Here is an interview with security officer Amin.
    2. Mihailo
      Mihailo April 13 2013 13: 46 New
      +6
      and when he hung noodles on his ears with advice, it means you think it’s good, he got what he deserved ....
    3. Denis_SF
      Denis_SF April 15 2013 09: 30 New
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      Amin studied in the USA, was the head of the Afghan community, more than once flew to America after studying. He himself admitted that he was recruited, but said he did it to avert his eyes, as there was no choice. It seems naive to me to think that Amin was not led by sworn friends from the West.
  2. fenix57
    fenix57 April 13 2013 08: 30 New
    +7
    With almost five times the superiority of the defenders to fulfill the order, you cannot call it AN EXPERIENCE. soldier
    But the last three lines did not understand ....- with his "conclusions" the author wanted to desecrate the memory of the dead ......Will not work.
    1. poligraf
      poligraf April 13 2013 23: 11 New
      +6
      Look at how healthy men are. Once upon a time there was a phrase "on the shoulders of the enemy they entered or took." People like them, true heroes, took the palace really on the shoulders of the enemy.
      By the way, on the topwar there is an article about a Muslim battalion taking the amin’s palace with Thunder.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 24 New
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        poligraf hi

        Quote: poligraf
        Look at how healthy men are.


        this is truly one of the best special operations in the 20th century.


        Quote: poligraf
        By the way, on the topwar there is an article about a Muslim battalion taking the amin’s palace with Thunder.


        down there is your humble servant and comrade Prapor Afonya, as well as comrade erased recommend a couple of books where everything is described much more objective and more detailed than in this article. hi
  3. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 13 2013 09: 08 New
    +6
    Here you should not admire such. And even more so by killing children. “As one of the participants in the assault recalled, all the carpets in the corridors of the palace were saturated with blood, when they stepped on them, they squished:“ I don’t know what caused such cruelty, but there was an order not to spare anyone. ”A large number of Afghans died during the storming of the palace, who, dying, could not believe that their best friends were killing them, until the last second, President Amin didn’t believe it. He was killed along with his five-year-old son, whom Amin saw, crying, in the corridor, hugged and hugged him. his sons. Amin’s daughter was wounded in both legs. ... "I have never seen so much blood in my life," recalled Colonel Shvets. "A wounded Afghan guard was lying in one of the palace’s premises and asked him to be shot in good Russian. Help they didn’t show him - there were so many of their wounded that they didn’t manage to process and evacuate them. "
    1. Kurbashi
      Kurbashi April 13 2013 09: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: Nayhas
      Here you should not admire such.

      I think this is nothing more than a betrayal ... Friends and Amin believed in friendship and then treacherously killed ... and there are no excuses.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary April 13 2013 10: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Kurbashi
        I think this is nothing more than a betrayal ... Friends and Amin believed in friendship and then treacherously killed ... and there are no excuses.

        They killed not treacherously, but as a result of the assault ...
        They were friends, but Amin brazenly lied to friends that Taraki was alive, while holding the phone between his shoulder and ear, and pinched the throat of an agonizing corpse ...
        It was Amin who treacherously killed Taraki ... For the deceitful nature of the traitor and paid the same.
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka April 13 2013 11: 22 New
          +3
          It was a lot of stupidity.
          1. Those who were replaced, were not better.
          2. After these events, many allies wondered what awaited them. And they said they can’t be trusted.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 13 2013 17: 14 New
            -2
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            It was a lot of stupidity.
            1. Those who were replaced, were not better.
            2. After these events, many allies wondered what awaited them. And they said they can’t be trusted.


            ah-ah-ah, now do we have to repent to the whole world?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 13 2013 19: 32 New
              +6
              Children could not be killed !!
              And then to recoup on relatives, as it seems, nothing has changed for centuries!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 13 2013 20: 07 New
                +5
                Yarbay Welcome hi

                Quote: Yarbay
                Children could not be killed !!


                there was a battle, a grenade was thrown into the room, then it was shot,
                I don’t understand, of course, that it was necessary to declare by "matyukalnik":
                - Amin, now the Soviet units will begin the assault, we demand that all civilians be withdrawn from humanism, we give 10 minutes!

                But it does not happen.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 13 2013 20: 36 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  there was a battle, a grenade was thrown into the room, then it was shot,
                  I don’t understand, of course, that it was necessary to declare by "matyukalnik":

                  Hi fighters)))
                  Yes, I understand that...
                  I wrote a little inaccurate, if those children had survived, they would have been imprisoned at best in prison !!
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 13 2013 20: 38 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Hi fighters)))
                    Yes, I understand that...

                    drinks


                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I wrote a little inaccurate, if those children had survived, they would have been imprisoned at best in prison !!


                    my opinion, they would be killed, the specifics of the region.
                  2. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 14 2013 07: 25 New
                    +3
                    Yarbay
                    Us classics, the audience never spoiled their attention sad

                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Hi fighters)))


                    Now there is an opinion that the most awesome wrestlers are supposedly Caucasians winked

                    from personal experience I’ll say:
                    - The hardest thing was to fight the Koreans, but Caucasians are not a fig, not a gift, stubborn as hell - to give up, it’s a shame for them.
                    when I went against the Caucasians, I knew that until he lost consciousness, he would fight.
                    but Caucasians or Koreans are garbage - when they released wrestlers from the Urals on us, it was a - ATAS !!!
                    classic wrestling, or as it is now called - Greco-Roman is the best sport for boys bully
                    as a classic, I will responsibly repeat:
                    - a good classic can be:
                    and a great sambo wrestler, a great judoka and a great freestyle wrestler, and not even a bad boxer!
                    but a good sambo wrestler, wrestler, judoka, boxer will never become a good classic!
                    THIS IS AN ADVERTISEMENT OF THE CLASSICAL FIGHT! give children in the Greco-Roman wrestling section!



                    THIS IS AN ADVERTISEMENT OF THE CLASSICAL FIGHT !!!
                    KARATE, WUSHU, KUNGFU, THEKVANDO, MUAI-THAI and everything else - garbage!
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn April 14 2013 07: 44 New
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                      Roshchin Anatoly Alexandrovich.
                      ROSHCHIN Anatoly Alexandrovich was born on March 10, 1932 in the village of Gaverdovo, Ryazan Region, a Soviet athlete (classical wrestling), Honored Master of Sports (1963). Olympic champion of the XX games in Munich (1972), silver medalist of the 1964 and 1968 Olympics. Three-time world champion in 1963, 1969 and 1970. European Champion 1966 Champion of the USSR 1962, champion of three summer Spartakiads of the peoples of the USSR. He was awarded the Order of Lenin, the Order of the Red Banner of Labor and the medals "For Labor Valor" and "For Valiant Labor in the Great Patriotic War."
                      1. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn April 14 2013 07: 46 New
                        0
                        Zaikin, Ivan Mikhailovich.
                        ZAIKIN Ivan Mikhailovich (1880-1948), Russian athlete (classical wrestling, weightlifting), aviator. Champion of Russia in weightlifting (1904), then a professional wrestler. In the 1910s demonstrated air flights in many cities of Russia.
                      2. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn April 14 2013 07: 53 New
                        0
                        Ivan Poddubny-
                        Real name: Ivan Maksimovich Poddubny
                        Known as: “Champion of Champions”, “Russian Bogatyr”, “Ivan Zhelezny”
                        Height: 184 see
                        Weight: 120 kg
                        Chest circumference: 134 cm
                        Biceps: 45 cm
                        Date of birth: September 26 (October 8), 1871 (village Krasenovka, Poltava province)
                        Died: August 8, 1949 (Yeysk)
                        Professional career: 1896 - 1941
                        Wrestling style: Russian wrestling on belts; Greco-Roman (classical, French) wrestling
                        Titles and awards
                        Honored Artist of the RSFSR (1939)
                        Order of the Red Banner of Labor (1939)
                        Honored Master of Sports (1945)

                        Biography in numbers
                        In 1893-1896, he was a port loader in Sevastopol and Feodosia.
                        In 1896, in the Feodosia Beskaravayny Circus, Poddubny defeated very famous athletes of that time - Lurikh, Borodanov, Razumov, Italian Pappi. From that moment began his career as a fighter.
                        Since 1897 he performed in circus arenas as a weight-lifting athlete and wrestler (he began with the Russian wrestling on belts, switched to the classical (French) wrestling in 1903. Repeatedly performed on tours abroad, visiting about 50 cities in 14 countries. Repeatedly won “ world championships ”in classical wrestling among professionals, including the strongest of them - in Paris (1905-1908).
                        In November 1939, in the Kremlin, he was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor and awarded the title of Honored Artist of the RSFSR for truly outstanding services “in the development of Soviet sports”.
                        The carpet left in 1941 at the age of 70.
                        He was buried in Yeysk, in the city park, now bearing his name. There is also a monument to him, and nearby are the Museum of I.M. Poddubny and a sports school named after him. In addition, a ship based in Theodosia port was named after him.

                        the worst thing in my life is when wrestlers from the "Poddubny School" were released on us - belay
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 14 2013 10: 51 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    THIS IS AN ADVERTISEMENT OF THE CLASSICAL FIGHT !!!

                    Freestyle wrestling is more beautiful and dynamic!)))))))






                    an excellent freestyle freighter, the classic will not become after a certain number of years)))))) I know you will argue, but it is))))
                  4. bunta
                    bunta April 15 2013 19: 02 New
                    +1
                    Not. Sambo is not bullshit. The rest is garbage. I agree.
            2. воронов
              воронов April 13 2013 23: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              And then recoup on relatives

              If you do not understand the specifics of sabotage operations, do not meddle with your stupid comments
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 14 2013 00: 57 New
                +3
                Quote: voronov
                If you do not understand the specifics of sabotage operations, do not meddle with your stupid comments

                Read Voronov carefully, but don’t like not to read!
                I wrote about local customs, not about sabotage operations!
                unlike you, I am not a * expert * in all possible questions!
                I am writing what I know and what interests me!
                and you turn to your friend in the beer shop !!
                1. воронов
                  воронов April 14 2013 12: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  unlike you, I’m not a * expert * in all possible questions! I write what I know and what interests me! and you turn to your friend in the beer shop !!

                  I do not pretend to be a “connoisseur of all possible questions,” these are just your idle speculations. I also try to comment on topics and questions that are less familiar to me on the basis of my knowledge in higher educational institutions and in the military academy, as well as long-term military service, but sometimes I get carried away, I go beyond the scope of a familiar topic, maybe I’m mistaken somewhere, but this is my subjective opinion and I’m no longer in the army, since 2009. retired, and to express my opinion and thoughts on this site has not yet been banned. Well, in the future, I will contact you at “YOU”, but you poked me in your comments first and even in this comment. And last, I I do not like beer, I prefer vodka and alcohol
                  1. vilenich
                    vilenich April 14 2013 12: 38 New
                    0
                    Quote: voronov
                    in VU and VA

                    And if it’s not a secret, then what years did you finish?
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 14 2013 14: 57 New
                    +1
                    Quote: voronov
                    I do not pretend to be a “connoisseur of all possible questions,” these are just your idle speculations. I also try to comment on topics and questions that are less familiar to me on the basis of my knowledge in higher educational institutions and in the military academy, as well as long-term military service, but sometimes I get carried away, I go beyond the scope of a familiar topic, maybe I’m mistaken somewhere, but this is my subjective opinion and I’m no longer in the army, since 2009. retired, and to express my opinion and thoughts on this site has not yet been banned. Well, in the future, I will contact you at “YOU”, but you poked me in your comments first and even in this comment. And last, I I do not like beer, I prefer vodka and alcohol
                    We are all wrong!
                    This is normal and there is no big problem!
                    After one of our discussions, you took it as your fashion to be rude to me for each of my comments, I think this is dishonorable, especially in the issue with which our debate began You can not be aware more than me!
                    I have been in stock since 2003!
                    If you still have a claim to me, please unsubscribe to me in the face!
              2. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 14 2013 01: 11 New
                0
                Quote: voronov
                If you do not understand the specifics of sabotage operations, do not meddle with your stupid comments


                Before being rude to old-timers, take an interest in the baggage of their knowledge, and only then crawl with your comments - you can’t be silly and stupid!
                1. воронов
                  воронов April 14 2013 11: 53 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  Before being rude to old-timers, take an interest in the baggage of their knowledge, and only then crawl with your comments - you can’t be silly and stupid!

                  By the level of rudeness, I’m far from your protégé Yarbay, read at least his insulting comments about me. Are you the main manager of this site, or do you own 90% of its shares? Judging by the information from your profile, you’re still away from this site for a year, and you’re getting into veterans there. My comments, if you don’t like it, don’t read, but your comment is likely to be rude. Compete here with your knowledge I’m not going with anyone, but the existing higher military education and experience of long service in the army, including participation in real databases allows me to comment on individual military topics and issues, and as far as I know when registering on this site, filling out the questionnaire is not necessary, is it not.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 14 2013 15: 03 New
                    +4
                    Quote: voronov
                    By the level of rudeness, I’m far from your protege Yarbay, read at least his insulting comments addressed to me

                    If you are somehow offended by this involuntarily in this topic, I apologize to you, but did not have such a goal!
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 13 2013 20: 08 New
            0
            still want to repent is?
          3. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka April 13 2013 22: 24 New
            -1
            If you want to repent, if you want not, this is your own business.
            And then they created a bunch of problems for themselves, this is not a well-thought-out solution, it is a fact.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 10 New
              +2
              Vovka levka

              unlike you, I don’t look at the graves of the fallen like you, how Kurbashi As Nayhas , for me, internationalist warriors are Heroes (I apologize for the pathos), so that when joining the ranks of the SA, we would be able, as athletes, to get to a limited contingent first and foremost, we would collect a bunch of papers for the military enlistment office like this:
              - characteristics from the School of Olympic Reserve;
              - characteristics of the place of residence;
              - characteristics from high school;
              - a binder of all medical boards that we passed before the competition;
              - extract from the documents of sports schools with which we began our sports career;
              - and a few more pieces of paper, I don’t remember everything no
              at the same time, we were recommended in the military enlistment office to join the military-patriotic club of internationalists, if anyone remembers them, the Afghan warriors organized as sports sections for preparing youth for the army.
              So do not tell me about:

              Quote: Vovka Levka
              And then they created a bunch of problems for themselves, this is not a well-thought-out solution, it is a fact.


              - You can continue to enjoy the presence of Afghan heroin in the city you live in.

              But the feat of soldiers and officers who conducted an unprecedented operation, asking the home strategists not to dirty their speculation and stupid comments.
              1. Vovka levka
                Vovka levka April 14 2013 00: 19 New
                0
                There are no questions to the soldiers and officers; the army is following the order. She carried out the order, period.
                And the fact that the Pandora’s box was opened is a fact. And no one knows how this will end.
              2. Vovka levka
                Vovka levka April 14 2013 00: 52 New
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                Your profile has:
                About himself writes: Year of release - 1976
                Made in USSR.
                The last prize in Afghanistan in 1971. Something I probably don’t understand what it is for:

                so that when joining the ranks of the SA we would have the opportunity, as athletes, to get into a limited contingent as a priority, we would collect a bunch of papers for the military enlistment office like this:
                - characteristics from the School of Olympic Reserve;
                - characteristics of the place of residence;
                - characteristics from high school;
                - a binder of all medical boards that we passed before the competition;
                - extract from the documents of sports schools with which we began our sports career;
                - and a few more pieces of paper, I don’t remember everything
                at the same time, we were recommended in the military enlistment office to join the military-patriotic club of internationalists, if anyone remembers them, the Afghan warriors organized as sports sections for preparing youth for the army.
                So do not tell me about:
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn April 14 2013 01: 19 New
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                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  Your profile has:
                  About himself writes: Year of release - 1976
                  Made in USSR.


                  So what? in 1987, I and several other members of the School of the Olympic Reserve of the USSR applied for voluntary enlistment of a limited contingent.
                  we were all from officer families, we were all at exercises and shooting ranges more than once, and we didn’t know about Afghanistan from rumors, we thought that we were more prepared than the guys from villages and cities, we thought that we would bring more sense to the motherland - what’s wrong?




                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  Last Prizes in Afghanistan 1971


                  Why lie so impudently?
                  1. ramzes1776
                    ramzes1776 April 14 2013 01: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    in 1987, I and several other members of the USSR Olympic Reserve School applied for voluntary enlistment of a limited contingent

                    At 11 years old?
                    1. Vovka levka
                      Vovka levka April 14 2013 02: 06 New
                      -1
                      Probably young avengers.
                    2. ramzes1776
                      ramzes1776 April 14 2013 02: 32 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Vovka Levka
                      Probably young avengers.

                      good Son of a regiment pancake laughing
                    3. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn April 14 2013 02: 41 New
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                      Quote: ramzes1776
                      Son of a regiment pancake


                      I became a “son of a regiment” only at a military base near Khabarovsk, before that I was a “son of a battalion” at a military base near Blagoveshchensk and a little earlier near Belogorsk, and before that I was a “son of a company” - in Kolyma, Kolyma district, Magadan region, urban settlement Susuman.
                      my father drove me to the shooting ranges much earlier than I learned to read, and I learned to read any earlier than you, dear, ironic ramzes1776 yes
                    4. воронов
                      воронов April 14 2013 12: 43 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      Quote: ramzes1776
                      Son of a regiment pancake


                      I became a “son of a regiment” only at a military base near Khabarovsk, before that I was a “son of a battalion” at a military base near Blagoveshchensk and a little earlier near Belogorsk, and before that I was a “son of a company” - in Kolyma, Kolyma district, Magadan region, urban settlement Susuman.
                      my father drove me to the shooting ranges much earlier than I learned to read, and I learned to read any earlier than you, dear, ironic ramzes1776 yes

                      As far as I know, there was a special regime penal colony in Susuman, wasn’t your dad the commander of the guard company of this colony, and you mean her son? No, don’t think anything bad, I have nothing against the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, each has its own tasks , and just clarify. laughing
                    5. ramzes1776
                      ramzes1776 April 14 2013 17: 17 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      and I’ve learned to read every time before you,

                      Well, the story is silent about this. You still measure the size of a member in absentia.
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      What actually bothers you?

                      Bothers me
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      in 1987, I and several other members of the School of the Olympic Reserve of the USSR applied for voluntary enlistment of a limited contingent.

                      And what are you at 11 years old
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      yes at 11 years old

                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      upon joining the ranks of the SA, we had the opportunity, as athletes, to get into a limited contingent as a priority, we collected a bunch of papers for the military enlistment office like this:

                      I don’t believe what Stanislavsky said. They took me right into the soldiers in 1987. Please explain to me, maybe I’m not catching up with something.
                2. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn April 14 2013 02: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  Probably young avengers.


                  no, just patriots of their country.
                  It’s hard for me, it will explain to you what the Soviet pioneer, the representative of the USSR Olympic Reserve School, is experiencing, having won first place at the international, friendly meeting of junior national teams, what you experience when the USSR flag is above all thanks to your efforts.

                  it will also be difficult for me to explain to you exactly why we went to submit applications to the military enlistment office.

                  it will be very difficult for me to explain to you that the oath that I gave — the Octobrist, pioneer and Komsomol member — is unbreakable for me.

                  and I think it will be almost impossible to explain to you how we felt — Soviet juniors, children of officers — passing monthly standards that exceeded entrance standards for exams in all the higher military educational institutions of our country.
                3. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka April 14 2013 02: 51 New
                  -5
                  No need to explain anything to me, this kindergarten of the same Soviet Army was cured. I must say, very fast and efficient.
                4. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 14 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  No need to explain anything to me, this kindergarten of the same Soviet Army was cured.


                  Well, right away I had to say:
                  - that you hate the Soviet Army and everything connected with it.


                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  I must say, very fast and efficient.


                  I say:
                  - and I am an integral part of the SA and people like you - I despise as flawed individuals, I think we no longer need to communicate.
                  Goodbye Karlsonn.
                5. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka April 14 2013 03: 32 New
                  -3
                  The Soviet Army taught to look at life soberly. You have written a lot about yourself, let's see if this is true or not.
                6. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 April 14 2013 04: 05 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  . You have written a lot about yourself, let's see if this is true or not.

                  Will you watch the barrel? laughing
                7. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 25 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Will you watch the barrel?


                  the main thing is not in the "Curtain".
              3. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 24 New
                +3
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                The Soviet Army taught to look at life soberly. You have written a lot about yourself, let's see if this is true or not.

                in the comment above I got excited - sorry hi , You are right. I wrote a lot about myself - I am ashamed in what I have written (not what I am ashamed of - I am not writing); The Soviet Army, corny of course, I grew up in it, want to watch or check? com tsu world, mine liber friend. drinks
              4. Vovka levka
                Vovka levka April 14 2013 12: 11 New
                -1
                drinks There were times that I also rode a light rail 1 and 3.
          4. воронов
            воронов April 14 2013 12: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Karlsonn
            I am an integral part of SA

            And yet, do you specify the integral part of the SA, or the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR? I tell you in advance that I respect both those and others, as well as the PV of the KGB of the USSR, the police, the police, and everyone who wears and wore epaulets. soldier
  4. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 02: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: ramzes1776
    At 11 years old?


    yes, at 11 years old, to my shame, I became the USSR CCM at only 10 years old and eleven months old, then when my classmate became the USSR CCM acrobatics at nine years old, and at nine years and six months I achieved the honorary title of the USSR CCM track and field athletics.
    What actually bothers you?
  5. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 35 New
    +5
    Quote: Karlsonn
    to my shame, I became the CCM of the USSR only in 10 years and eleven months,

    All mother would be ashamed of their soul good hi
  6. Yarbay
    Yarbay April 14 2013 02: 39 New
    +6
    Quote: Ruslan67
    All mother would be ashamed of their soul
    I agree)))))
  7. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: Ruslan67
    All mother would be ashamed of their soul

    Ruslan67

    You can’t even imagine how shocking it was!
    the first CCM in the class is a girl --- AAAA !!!
    although she, the boys, stimulated us above the roof.
  8. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: Karlsonn
    You have no idea

    Listen up! not familiar day fellow Maybe stop poking? hi
  9. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 35 New
    +2
    Ruslan67

    I'm only for me Yarbay scared, well repeat that he’s used to everyone on YOU, and since I have unsubscribed in my profile, it’s better for me to say “you”.
    by the way:
    - Alexey, we will be familiar drinks
  10. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 44 New
    +2
    drinks As one of my acquaintances, the Ensign with a capital letter, said because there are few specials, we will live with you -V ...., e! I will dry! I will expel! wassat
  11. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Yarbay scared me, well

    This one can! am bully drinks
  12. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 26 New
    +4
    to be honest, I’m afraid of warrant officers from infancy recourse .
  13. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 17 New
    +5
    Quote: Karlsonn
    I am afraid of ensigns since infancy

    Well yes! there are among them the senior ensigns belay soldier
  14. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    there are among them the senior ensigns


    I’m afraid of them until horror, when I went to poke cartridges and cartridges they scared me before repeat
  15. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 02: 54 New
    0
    Who is against, well done.
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 02: 05 New
    +1
    The year 1970 was wrong.
    At 11, childhood plays in the pope. And it feels like playing now.
    As a rule, someone who trends a lot, then sits in the bushes for a long time, and cannot completely empty himself.
    And about the "home strategists", in 1987 already wore uniforms. And in December 1987 I looked at the barrel of an AK47, which was sent to my head.
    I did not spare time, read your comments, it’s time for you to finish your childhood.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 14 2013 02: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Vovka Levka
      And about the "home strategists", in 1987 already wore uniforms. And in December 1987 I looked at the barrel of an AK47, which was sent to my head.

      I do not consider this an argument in discussion !!
      Alas, after the collapse of the USSR, in view of the circumstances, many can say the same thing as you, the difference will be in years!
      You see, I think it doesn’t matter who fought, someone doesn’t, it is important that a person has in his heart!
      I know many * warriors * who will never give up their hands!
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 14 2013 02: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Yarbay
      Alas, after the collapse of the USSR, in view of the circumstances, to say the same thing as you, the difference will be in years!


      I do not agree.


      Quote: Yarbay
      I know many * warriors * who will never give up their hands!


      I agree.
    3. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka April 14 2013 03: 02 New
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      The problem is that there is no discussion.
    4. vilenich
      vilenich April 14 2013 08: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Yarbay
      I know many * warriors * who will never give up their hands!

      Good morning Alibek!
      It’s not sad to realize, but here you are really absolutely right! Perhaps the role played by the fact that in the DRA a sufficient number of people were sent "on the fly", i.e. in the form of punishment and for others to be disgraced
    5. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 14 2013 09: 03 New
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      OH REALLY?
    6. vilenich
      vilenich April 14 2013 10: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Karlsonn
      OH REALLY?

      But do you deny such cases?
    7. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 14 2013 11: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Karlsonn
      OH REALLY?

      Alexey, it was also, dear Vitaliy is right!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 14 2013 11: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: vilenich
    the number was sent to the people "by flight", i.e. in the form of punishment and for others to be disgraced.

    You are absolutely right in this !!
    Especially in recent years!
  • vilenich
    vilenich April 14 2013 11: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    Especially in recent years!

    You know, when I wrote the post, in the first edition I wrote "especially in the second half of the 80s," but then rummaged through the memory and removed this text. Because, in addition to the deployment of troops by military units in full force, such a practice was applied throughout the entire stay of a limited contingent.
  • воронов
    воронов April 14 2013 13: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: vilenich
    in DRA, a sufficient number of people were sent "on the fly", i.e. in the form of punishment and for others to be discouraged.

    "on the fly" they sent to the disbath, at worst to the zone, do not write nonsense, I personally knew many officers and soldiers who wanted to get out of the river, wrote reports and refused to many. I personally, after I arrived from there, reports of officers and soldiers he simply tore his battalion and did not give them a move, but because he did not want to take responsibility on their parents and families.
  • воронов
    воронов April 14 2013 13: 01 New
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    Quote: Yarbay
    I know many * warriors * who will never give up their hands!

    Rather, this applies to you. laughing
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 02: 33 New
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    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Wrong 1970.


    why are you lying so impudently?
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 03: 42 New
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    This is the year of birth of the soldier
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 28 New
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    Quote: Vovka Levka
    This is the year of birth of the soldier


    I won’t go far, the last in Afghanistan were the border guards - 88 draftees.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 39 New
    +5
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    And in December 1987 I looked at the barrel of an AK47, which was sent to my head.

    The barrel is at the gun! You are our honored warrior bully Anyone who served will say either to the barrel or to the pupil request
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 02: 45 New
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    Do you try?
    And then tell me if you're lucky.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 51 New
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    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Do you try?

    If you are to me, the pupil is very small and dark. And still hot.
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 03: 13 New
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    No dear, at that moment it is very large, and you remember nothing except him.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 14 2013 03: 20 New
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    Quote: Vovka Levka
    No dear, at that moment it is very large, and you remember nothing except him.

    smiled))))
    Maybe you're right)))))
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    Maybe you're right)))))


    yeah, if you foolishly look from the other end laughing
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    at that moment it is very large, and apart from it you remember nothing.

    Subjectively request
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 39 New
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    Quote: Ruslan67
    Subjectively


    I am only for --- to mock, nnnooooo ....
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 03: 44 New
    -1
    Probably you know better.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 30 New
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    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Probably you know better.


    Do not be offended, I just recently downloaded a photo of myself on a working laptop, where a soldier in training looks with enthusiasm into the barrel of an AK, well winked inspired.
  • vilenich
    vilenich April 14 2013 08: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Karlsonn
    where the soldier in training looks enthusiastically at the barrel of AK

    It would be nice to add this photo to the post.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 09: 05 New
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    Quote: vilenich
    It would be nice to add this photo to the post.


    vilenich I’ll stick this photo for you personally.
  • vilenich
    vilenich April 14 2013 10: 37 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    I’ll stick this photo for you personally

    I would be very grateful!
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 14: 07 New
    -1
    The offended carry water.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Ruslan67
    The barrel is at the gun! You are our honored warrior


    Yes, everything is clear there wink , it remains to ask where and why the pencil case in AK, but I'm afraid the patient will run into Google.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: Karlsonn
    it remains to ask where and why the pencil case in AK,

    If you mock it is better where the AKS-74 is and how the AKM-63 and AKSU-74 pouches differ
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    If you mock it is better where the AKS-74 is and how the AKM-63 and AKSU-74 pouches differ


    and if he doesn’t find it in Google and his brain will burst? are you and me to answer for a child?

    wassat ay was not, let's ask what is the "shoe" better than the previous version, not by Google but in practice bully
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: Karlsonn
    let's ask what is the “shoe” better than the previous version,

    Lord well, the same degree what He’s going to try on his wife’s boots right now wassat
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    He’s going to try on his wife’s boots right now


    witnessed in the exercises:
    - In short, the headquarters regiment decided to throw a grenade in front of a company of soldiers - supposedly show the class belay --- without removing or unfastening the overcoat request swings and he has an auto-dislocated shoulder sad , he drops a grenade, but because of a pain shock he does not have time to slip into the trench (well, I understand that now, and then the folder is for me - a shkibar and to the bottom of the trench - figs!)
    in short, the headquarters regiment died. so well it in figs - let there be wife's boots.
  • vilenich
    vilenich April 14 2013 09: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    In short, the headquarters regiment decided to throw a grenade in front of a company of soldiers

    An elementary violation of security measures by the headquarters regiment (although it’s actually not his business to throw grenades), but it’s a shame that then, probably, the commanders — the leaders of the occupation, suffered without exception!
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 09: 10 New
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    Quote: vilenich
    Elementary breach of security measures by the head polkan


    the whole division was shaking because of this goat.

    Quote: vilenich
    (although actually it's not his business to throw grenades)


    stop the staff officer FIG.


    Quote: vilenich
    but it’s a shame that then probably the commanders — the leaders of the lesson suffered without exception!

    almost everything was raked out, not only our division - the whole district stood on its ears because of this ram.
  • vilenich
    vilenich April 14 2013 10: 08 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    the whole district on the ears stood because of this ram.

    And in what district was it?
    Quote: Karlsonn
    stop the staff officer FIG.

    Most likely it’s not a “staffer”, but the fact that there are no brains, but the ambition is higher than the roof.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 02: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    The year 1970 was wrong.


    Well, don’t write fuin figs.




    Quote: Vovka Levka
    As a rule, someone who trends a lot, then sits in the bushes for a long time, and cannot completely empty himself.


    Oh really?


    Quote: Vovka Levka
    And about the "home strategists", in 1987 already wore uniforms.


    was it scary? Well, I’ve lived in the barracks almost from birth, so what?


    Quote: Vovka Levka
    And in December 1987 I looked at the barrel of an AK47, which was sent to my head.


    Dear, let me ask you:
    - how many gunshot wounds do you have and how many from edged weapons?
    I just want to clarify the topic of childhood.
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 03: 17 New
    +3
    He lay down for three months, saved his leg.
    Edged weapons are good, but knowing how many cartridges are left in the store is even better.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 14 2013 03: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    He lay down for three months, saved his leg.

    We wish you all health !!
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 03: 36 New
    +2
    Thank you, and you also do not get sick.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    We wish you all health !!


    join in

    I already regret that he was rude.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    He lay down for three months, saved his leg.


    well, for the earlier inflicted rudeness - I apologize.

    unfortunately I have a blind gunshot wound to the head (to my chagrin inoperable), therefore I perceive malice in my account very belligerently stop , no


    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Melee weapons are good, but knowing how many cartridges are left in the store is even better


    unfortunately, the cartridges tend to run out - that's why there are several wounds from ho in the collection that also people who do not know what the first aid is in their skin but who try to tell me what kind of a dreamer I am - I am skeptical.
    and I also don’t really like all those who blaspheme the Soviet sport and the Soviet Army - I accept comments only from professional officers, with a rank not lower than a captain, I very boldly send all the others ... as having been at least more in the USSR army.
    something like that. hi
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 04: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    for earlier inflicted rudeness - I apologize.

    But I will not request I respect the people who served and know what it is -NO1 I do not digest APLOMB with a capital letter -I know everything I know I experienced and you are somewhere out there -The situations are different and in peaceful St. Petersburg in 95 you can look into the pupil He is small and hot hi soldier
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 45 New
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    Quote: Ruslan67
    But I will not

    and from me, as from a goose - water bully .


    Quote: Ruslan67
    I respect the people who served and know what it is


    respected before everyone a priori, reality adjusted. no


    Quote: Ruslan67
    and in peaceful St. Petersburg in 95, you can look into the pupil. He’s small and hot


    I have to admit that you are right:
    - if in my childhood I tried to get to hot spots in order to defend my homeland, then in the mid-90s there was no homeland left, but the hot spots were right at the threshold, taking into account immersion in sports what I don’t know - I didn’t see the muzzle, but the rest had enough life for three.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 04: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: Karlsonn
    I don’t know - I didn’t see the barrel

    Thank God!
    Quote: Karlsonn
    if as a child I sought hot spots to protect my homeland

    Theologically, but the first six months in special forces, dope was knocked out of my head
    Quote: Karlsonn
    the hot spots were right on the doorstep,

    In general, I was lucky with this heroic idiocy - got into the Ministry of Internal Affairs from 93-99 to the UVO fool It was a show that is now to be remembered. belay When in the middle of the night an F-1 flies into a car dealership on Moskovsky Prospekt through a window good For a lifetime heals both romance and democracy am And if you survived and in flight from the second floor I managed to press the alarm button that you were given to hold so this is some kind of holiday fellow wassat
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Thank God!

    I agree!

    Quote: Ruslan67
    Theologically, but the first six months in special forces, dope was knocked out of my head

    grandfather knocked me nonsense --- proudly pacing ---


    Quote: Ruslan67
    In general, I was lucky for this heroic idiocy - got into the Ministry of Internal Affairs from 93-99


    everything turned out to be more complicated for me, unfortunately.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 07 New
    +5
    Quote: Karlsonn
    grandfather knocked me nonsense --- proudly pacing ---

    I, too, the old NKVDshnik defended Leningrad in blockade soldier Probably the wrong nonsense was knocked out if, instead of law school, I ended up in the GRU part where his eldest son served during the war, my own uncle request
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Ruslan67
    I, too, the old NKVDshnik defended Leningrad in blockade

    I have one grandfather who set my brains through the back gates - a personnel paratrooper, but the second - a "bloody ghoul" - a personnel security officer of the USSR, starting with the FER Cheka and ending with the KGB of the USSR.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    I have one grandfather,

    Quote: Karlsonn
    but the second - "

    I wrote below, the liberalists will not understand us request Do not understand
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    I wrote below, the liberalists will not understand us


    Well, when everyone was petty, after watching the film "In the Special Attention Zone" they wanted to go to Ryazan, - I personally said:
    - no, I’ll go to the green caps! soldier
    this is what - liberalists ready to drown with barges. lol
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 06: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    I'll go to the green caps!

    I even brought an elite pure German puppy. I died from the Olympic sweater. crying
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 06: 24 New
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    Quote: Ruslan67
    I even brought an elite pure German puppy. I died from the Olympic sweater.


    well, since I was 8 years old I wanted to become a border guard officer, and since childhood I knew what it is - a company, in the middle of nothing - in the best case, Tajikistan, at worst something like the hills of Transbaikalia go Sakhalin, but I wanted this (in I secretly hoped that the GB squad would go after the captain in operas) - I stole a spotted mustache, I want to believe that he will come to Kiev to present the film, the producers of which are Leon DiCaprio, --- then that's all right. wink
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 06: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Karlsonn
    and from the age of 8 I wanted to become a border guard officer,

    Do you know what the joke is? My wife’s grandfather is a border guard. The name of the patronymic coincides with my grandfather. Both fathers are Nikolai Nikolaevich. Her grandmother, who, together with her husband, had a war at the border post this year, will be 94. request soldier
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 06: 57 New
    -1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    My wife’s grandfather is a border guard. The name of the patronymic coincides with my grandfather. Both fathers are Nikolai Nikolaevich. Her grandmother, who, together with her husband, had a war at the border post this year, will be 94.


    good
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 14 2013 10: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Like reaches for like

    Strongly said !!
    Interesting formula))
  • воронов
    воронов April 14 2013 13: 22 New
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    Quote: Vovka Levka
    in December 1987, I looked at the barrel of the AK47, which was sent to my head.

    And what is such an AK47 machine? During 30 years of service in the army, I dealt with AK, AKM, AKMS, but I didn’t meet AK47. You probably saw him in Internet shootings, or Amer films about SA laughing
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 14: 13 New
    -1
    For me, they are of two types, depending on the cartridge. And the name, that spit, who wanted to understand.
  • воронов
    воронов April 14 2013 19: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    For me, they are of two types, depending on the cartridge. And the name, that spit, who wanted to understand.

    Yes, dear, for those who did not spit in the army, they are well versed in assault rifle models and many still remember the numbers of their assault rifles without even looking at a military ID. "AK47" This slang is used by young men in the army who picked it up from Internet and amerskih films about our army. For your information there is no such machine "AK47".
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 14 2013 22: 35 New
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    If you think you did not serve, then so be it.
    I’ll tell you such a story.

    The evil spirits gathered to help our soldiers internationalists.
    Gathered and fly. The Goblin looks around, and Baba Yaga flies behind. Where are you old hag, asks Leshy. I will be nice to provide sexual services to our soldiers, says Yaga. Yes, who will climb on you old hag. She replies, it’s me the old hag Union, and I’ll be the beautiful Vasilisa across the river.

    And the fact that you tore the report, you did it right. Health to you.
  • воронов
    воронов April 14 2013 23: 33 New
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    Quote: Vovka Levka
    If you think you did not serve, then so be it.
    I’ll tell you such a story.

    The evil spirits gathered to help our soldiers internationalists.
    Gathered and fly. The Goblin looks around, and Baba Yaga flies behind. Where are you old hag, asks Leshy. I will be nice to provide sexual services to our soldiers, says Yaga. Yes, who will climb on you old hag. She replies, it’s me the old hag Union, and I’ll be the beautiful Vasilisa across the river.

    And the fact that you tore the report, you did it right. Health to you.

    Quote: Vovka Levka
    If you think you did not serve, then so be it.
    I’ll tell you such a story.

    The evil spirits gathered to help our soldiers internationalists.
    Gathered and fly. The Goblin looks around, and Baba Yaga flies behind. Where are you old hag, asks Leshy. I will be nice to provide sexual services to our soldiers, says Yaga. Yes, who will climb on you old hag. She replies, it’s me the old hag Union, and I’ll be the beautiful Vasilisa across the river.

    And the fact that you tore the report, you did it right. Health to you.

    Quote: Vovka Levka
    If you think you did not serve, then so be it.
    I’ll tell you such a story.

    The evil spirits gathered to help our soldiers internationalists.
    Gathered and fly. The Goblin looks around, and Baba Yaga flies behind. Where are you old hag, asks Leshy. I will be nice to provide sexual services to our soldiers, says Yaga. Yes, who will climb on you old hag. She replies, it’s me the old hag Union, and I’ll be the beautiful Vasilisa across the river.

    And the fact that you tore the report, you did it right. Health to you.

    Quote: Vovka Levka
    If you think you did not serve, then so be it.
    I’ll tell you such a story.

    The evil spirits gathered to help our soldiers internationalists.
    Gathered and fly. The Goblin looks around, and Baba Yaga flies behind. Where are you old hag, asks Leshy. I will be nice to provide sexual services to our soldiers, says Yaga. Yes, who will climb on you old hag. She replies, it’s me the old hag Union, and I’ll be the beautiful Vasilisa across the river.

    Ayuam.
    I don’t say this, but it’s strange how usually those who served in motorized rifle, tank, artillery, in general, all those who directly had to deal with machine guns are well versed in their modifications, with the possible exception of builders and railroad workers. And those who serve never use the term “AK47 ", he doesn’t apply in the army. Thank you for the bike, laughed heartily, sorry if that is not so. Good luck !!!
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 15 2013 20: 06 New
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    Honestly, I don’t know what kind of machine it was. Definitely not AKM. It so happened, the situation was such that it was unhealthy to consider.
    Those who run slowly will be carried even slower. And not any heroism.
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 14 2013 02: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Karlsonn
    in 1987, I and several other members of the School of the Olympic Reserve of the USSR applied for voluntary enlistment of a limited contingent.

    And what did they take? And you, however, are a respected visionary. laughing I was also born in 1976, and my son is now 11. In 1987, I ran with the boys along the street and played war games, and only in 1993, when I was 17 years old, did I enter the first year of military school.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 14 2013 02: 56 New
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      Quote: ramzes1776
      And what did they take? And you, however, are a respected visionary.


      Yes sir soldier


      Quote: ramzes1776
      In 1987, I ran with the boys along the street and played war games


      Well, I had no time to play war games - I was in Soviet sports, and in addition to high school I had 11 coaches for weeks, this is in addition to training camps, sports camps and competitions (with preliminary preparation for them).

      Quote: ramzes1776
      in 1993, at the age of 17, I entered the first year of a military school.


      Well, I took the oath of the USSR, on this I considered it impossible to join the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on this I entered in 1993 wassat - Now it’s called the National Aviation University, where I was a teacher from the first year at the Department of Physical Education, well, I received two higher educations in passing, now I’m finishing the third - but you understand wink these are all my fantasies. laughing
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 20 New
      -1
      Quote: ramzes1776
      And what did they take?


      two letters for the first place and four for the second.
  • воронов
    воронов April 14 2013 12: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Karlsonn
    so that when joining the ranks of the SA, we would be able, as athletes, to get to a limited contingent as a priority, we should collect a bunch of papers for the military enlistment office such as: - characteristics from the School of Olympic Reserve; - characteristics by place of residence; - characteristics from high school; - filing of all medical commissions that we passed before the competition; - extract from the documents of sports schools with which we began our sports career; - and a few more pieces of paper, I don’t remember everything

    Quote: Karlsonn
    so that when joining the ranks of the SA, we would be able, as athletes, to get to a limited contingent as a priority, we should collect a bunch of papers for the military enlistment office such as: - characteristics from the School of Olympic Reserve; - characteristics by place of residence; - characteristics from high school; - filing of all medical commissions that we passed before the competition; - extract from the documents of sports schools with which we began our sports career; - and a few more pieces of paper, I don’t remember everything

    Quote: Karlsonn
    so that when joining the ranks of the SA, we would be able, as athletes, to get to a limited contingent as a priority, we should collect a bunch of papers for the military enlistment office such as: - characteristics from the School of Olympic Reserve; - characteristics by place of residence; - characteristics from high school; - filing of all medical commissions that we passed before the competition; - extract from the documents of sports schools with which we began our sports career; - and a few more pieces of paper, I don’t remember everything

    And you didn’t beguile, probably you collected these certificates for sending into space? For example, after graduating from VU, after 7 months, I found myself behind the river without any information, and the soldiers of my platoon, as far as I know, did not collect any information. laughing
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 14 2013 02: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    If you want to repent, if you want not, this is your own business.
    And then they created a bunch of problems for themselves, this is not a well-thought-out solution, it is a fact.

    And how would you think ??
    On the basis of what conclusions would you decide not to send troops into Afghanistan?
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka April 14 2013 02: 34 New
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      Live a little there, get to know them and understand.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 14 2013 02: 48 New
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        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Live a little there, get to know them and understand.

        I lived there for about 6 months! Kabul,
        Vezir Akbar Khan Street!
        but much later!
        And what should I understand?
        In 1979, I do not think that you lived there and could understand !!
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka April 14 2013 03: 23 New
          -2
          That there is nothing flattery there, is theirs country.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 14 2013 03: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            That there is nothing flattery there, is theirs country.

            I do not agree!
            They did not see such a keen sense of patriotism !!
            Much more religious feelings, which seem to have played the special services of Pakistan and Western countries !!
            And in 79, hardly anyone could think like you now!
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 25 New
          -1
          Yarbay

          here it’s already useless - there the channels for receiving information about fifteen years ago are tightly welded.

          Quote: Vovka Levka
          Live a little there, get to know them and understand.
          request there, as an informative exchange, only tactical nuclear munitions can be made, I personally suggest “Tulip” good
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 14 2013 03: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Karlsonn
            here it’s already useless - there the information reception channels are still fifteen years ago tightly welded

            Probably not believe it, but it was !!
            Somehow, with a friend, we witnessed a terrible drinking of Afghans, drank whiskey in iron cans, like beer houses and washed down with some kind of dregs, plus smoked dope !!
            Then they left the house and a friend said, I understood why they were so able to resist the USSR and the Russians, so it’s impossible to drink like that !!)))))
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 48 New
            -1
            Quote: Yarbay
            Somehow, with a friend, we witnessed a terrible drinking of Afghans, drank whiskey in iron cans, like beer houses and washed down with some kind of dregs, plus smoked dope !!

            there are enough of them in Kiev sad
            you will not believe, one of your relatives, from yours - if you don't lie - fought what
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas April 13 2013 14: 52 New
    0
    It was an internal showdown, Amin acted as an ordinary dictator, he clearly believed that the USSR would still cooperate with which of them, damn the east ...
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 13 2013 17: 13 New
    -4
    Quote: Nayhas
    Here you should not admire such. And even more so by killing children.



    Quote: Kurbashi
    They were friends and Amin believed in friendship and then treacherously killed ... and there are no excuses for this.

    belay what?

    What did you want to say? request
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 20: 09 New
      0
      ah-ah-yi betrayed the friendship of Amin, treacherous bloody Soviet ghouls !!! wassat
  • Army1
    Army1 April 13 2013 11: 33 New
    +8
    Unfortunately, there was no other choice, they shot from all sides, the specialists acted on the machine gun, and do you think our white and fluffy ones? In the West, they are afraid of SPECIALIZATION, he acts clearly, toughly, professionally, even in the GRU the officers can "remove" the civilian if he interferes with the operation. But this does not mean that our thugs who shoot unarmed, children, etc.
    Yes, and Amin’s guards were "not made with a finger", they studied at the Ryazan school of airborne forces
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 13 2013 14: 49 New
      +6
      Undoubtedly, it is impossible to accuse specialists of treachery, just as the service people they carried out the order. Completed efficiently, no words. Only the consequences for the country were catastrophic. Pandora's box was clogged with death.
  • bunta
    bunta April 13 2013 09: 32 New
    +1
    Please announce the company number of Lieutenant Vostrotin!
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 17: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: bunta
      Please announce the company number of Lieutenant Vostrotin!


      bunta hi

      The 9th parachute assault company of the 345th regiment - 87 people (commander - Senior Lieutenant Vostrotin).
      1. bunta
        bunta April 13 2013 21: 02 New
        +4
        That's right. But this is the same company - the NINTH 345 COMPANY of the Guards Separate Parachute Regiment, known to everyone from the Bondarchuk film! Now there is no regiment or company. Then I just have no words.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 13 2013 22: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: bunta
          Absolutely.


          Did you check me out ?!
          --- I run away with a howl into the forest ---


          Quote: bunta
          But this is the same company - NINTH COMPANY


          Yeah drinks


          Quote: bunta
          Known to everyone from the Bondarchuk movie!


          this is not a film - but a liberal bluesbot, slandering the courage and heroism of our soldiers and officers!

          and to this reptile the government gave more money for a film about Stalingrad crying am

          Puchkov, of course, tried to convey to the masses how it was, but the audience of the grip was unfortunately small. sad
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 13 2013 22: 20 New
            +4
            axis it if someone has not seen hi



            1. Pushkin
              Pushkin April 14 2013 00: 51 New
              0
              A set of surnames of the 9th company is indicative. There are Georgians. And in the group of fighters who Victory Banner over the Reichstag raised the Georgians. What are all sorts of scum doing with us doing to us
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 14 2013 01: 25 New
                +3
                Quote: Pushkin
                A set of surnames of the 9th company is indicative. There are Georgians. And in the group of fighters who Victory Banner over the Reichstag raised the Georgians. What are all sorts of scum doing with us doing to us


                for me personally it makes no difference - Georgians, Chechens, Ukrainians or someone else!
                there were Soviet people - who did not spare their lives for us.

                but sukaashvili, Plume, Zhoposhkevich, guanochuchka and other former political workers who decided to cash in on grief and blood like a hereditary bloody ghoul is ready to execute personally repeat - for free.
            2. Ulysses
              Ulysses April 14 2013 19: 40 New
              0
              Bondarchuk (Jr.), a glamorous, faithfully learned to remove nonsense and outright blizzard in the best Hollywood traditions.
              In Hollywood (a dream factory), this is modestly called "ON MOTIVES."

              You take a specific hero, or a situation, and sculpt any crap according to your depravity.
          2. bunta
            bunta April 15 2013 19: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Did you check me out ?!

            No, I recently found out about it myself. A friend of mine served in Vostrotin’s company; for those events he received a Red Star.
            And the movie is really shitty..y.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 13 2013 22: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: bunta
          9th Parachute Airborne Company of the 345th Regiment


          I beg your pardon sad , of course:

          SEPARATE GUARDIAN RED-BANNED
          ORDER OF SUVOROV OF THE THIRD DEGREE
          345 airborne regiment
          NAMED AFTER THE 70th ANNIVERSARY OF THE LENIN KOMSOMOL.

          once again - sorry, reported.
  • erased
    erased April 13 2013 09: 55 New
    +5
    Something is missing, but generally true. The details of the assault are well described in the books of M. Boltunov and S. Kozlov.
    As for the conclusions - there was a cold war, the USSR and the USA were pulling the rope of influence. Afghan became a bargaining chip. Like Korea, Vietnam, Egypt, Angola and others. With all the miscalculations and mistakes made before and after, it is still better to fight in someone else's territory than in your own.
    The USSR was clearly convinced of this when, leaving Afghanistan, it received Karabakh, Sumgait, and then completely crumbled.
    As for the soldiers and officers - they performed their duty, for which they honor and glory! But the operation "Storm-333" went down in history, in the West for a long time no one could understand what exactly happened and how the Russians took the palace.
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 April 13 2013 10: 22 New
    +1
    Excellent operation of the KGB of the USSR !!!
    1. erased
      erased April 13 2013 10: 30 New
      0
      Not only the KGB, but also the GRU of the USSR Ministry of Defense.
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 April 13 2013 10: 37 New
        0
        The main phase of the KGB
        1. erased
          erased April 13 2013 10: 50 New
          +1
          The final plan of the operation was developed by Colonel GRU Kolesnik. After the assault groups Zenit and Thunder literally stood at the entrance to the palace due to heavy fire, while losing at least half the wounded, fighters of the 154th special forces detachment (musbat) went to their aid. And already they went further together. Initially, only KGB officers were supposed to storm.
          The participation rate is difficult to calculate. But everyone worked, and everyone suffered losses.
          1. krokodil25
            krokodil25 April 13 2013 11: 08 New
            0
            Duck, I don’t argue that the group participated there, but the final “plan” is not a plan anymore; as the saying goes, the map has laid down.
            1. erased
              erased April 13 2013 11: 41 New
              +1
              Read S. Kozlov’s book “GRU Special Forces”. Everything is spelled out from the very beginning.
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth April 13 2013 23: 36 New
                0
                M. Boltunov "Alpha did not want to kill." Memoirs.
          2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
            NOBODY EXCEPT US April 13 2013 15: 35 New
            +1
            I just wanted to write about it, but you got ahead, plus you, in the article about it it is somehow silent, if the commander of the mus.bat didn’t violate the order, they don’t intervene yet it’s not known how everything turned out .....
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 13 2013 17: 31 New
          0
          Quote: krokodil25
          The main phase of the KGB


          nonsense!!!

          WHO TAKE TAJ BEK?

          - And by what forces should our palace be taken?

          - From our side, the combined forces of the Ministry of Defense and the KGB of the USSR took part in the operation to capture the Taj Beck Palace: the “Thunder” group - 24 people (commander - Major Romanov), the Zenit group - 30 people (commander - Major Semenov), the Muslim battalion - 530 people (commander - Major Halbayev), 9th parachute company of the 345th regiment - 87 people (commander - senior lieutenant Vostrotin) and anti-tank platoon - 27 people (platoon commander - senior lieutenant Savostyanov). The head of the operation was appointed Colonel of the GRU special forces Kolesnik, and his deputy - the head of the KGB illegal intelligence department, Major General Drozdov.

          - And who developed the assault plan?

          - The operation plan was compiled by Colonel Kolesnik. Here is how he told about this: “The plan, worked out on the map and signed by me, I brought for signature to Magomedov and Ivanov (respectively, the chief military adviser to the Ministry of Defense and the main adviser to the KGB of the USSR. I. T.). However, having approved the plan verbally, neither one nor the other put their signature on the plan. It was clear that at the time when we were deciding how to accomplish the task set by the country's leadership, these tricks were thinking about how to avoid responsibility in case of failure of our action. Then, in their presence on the plan, I wrote: “The plan is verbally approved. They refused the signature. " He set the time, date and his signature, after which he went to the battalion ... General Drozdov arrived with me. None of the performers, except us and Khalbaev, was initiated into the true plans that we had to realize ”...
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 13 2013 10: 44 New
    +3
    Yes, a lot has been written about the capture of Amin’s palace, but someone please explain to me why this operation is only assassinated with the KGB special forces? But what about the leader of the operation, the colonel of the GRU, more than 3 hundred soldiers of the GRU, paratroopers? A simple layman may have the impression that they were at best surrounded in a cordon, and yet they made the main breakthrough, how so?
    1. krokodil25
      krokodil25 April 13 2013 11: 01 New
      -4
      Because the operation was developed by the KGB and the assault of the palace directly carried out by groups "A" and "B".
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 28 New
        0
        Quote: krokodil25
        Because the operation was developed by the KGB



        Quote: Karlsonn
        The operation plan was compiled by Colonel Kolesnik.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      But what about the leader of the operation, the colonel of the GRU, more than 3 hundred soldiers of the GRU, paratroopers?



      Quote: Karlsonn
      - From our side, the combined forces of the Ministry of Defense and the KGB of the USSR took part in the operation to capture the Taj Beck Palace: the “Thunder” group - 24 people (commander - Major Romanov), the Zenit group - 30 people (commander - Major Semenov), the Muslim battalion - 530 people (commander - Major Halbayev), 9th parachute company of the 345th regiment - 87 people (commander - senior lieutenant Vostrotin) and anti-tank platoon - 27 people (platoon commander - senior lieutenant Savostyanov). The head of the operation was appointed Colonel of the GRU special forces Kolesnik, and his deputy - the head of the KGB illegal intelligence department, Major General Drozdov.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 13 2013 11: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: krokodil25
    Because the operation was developed by the KGB and the assault of the palace directly carried out by groups "A" and "B".

    Dear, read the story:
    firstly, the KGB representatives refused to sign the plan of the assault, it was only signed by Kolesnik
    secondly, KGB groups were part of the GRU special forces crews.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 13 2013 11: 15 New
    0
    Quote: krokodil25
    The main phase of the KGB

    The Chekists' task included the physical elimination of Amin (who had already passed away safely by their arrival), and the capture of documents necessary for the Union then!
  • Smoke
    Smoke April 13 2013 11: 38 New
    -3
    Amin believed us to the end .... it didn’t work out like that, as a matter of fact, at first they spent 10 years with the lives of their boys and still drug trafficking collects its tribute for that ill-conceived decision.
    1. erased
      erased April 13 2013 11: 43 New
      +2
      "Popatzansky" only punks argues and acts. The Central Committee of the CPSU and the Ministry of Defense of the USSR are not sub-public trash.
      1. rate
        rate April 13 2013 13: 53 New
        -3
        Treachery will be more accurate. Andropovsky handwriting.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: normal
          Treachery will be more accurate. Andropovsky handwriting.


          I apologize, but where are you writing from?
        2. vilenich
          vilenich April 14 2013 09: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: normal
          Treachery will be more accurate. Andropovsky handwriting.

          This is apparently the official point of view of the State Department!
    2. воронов
      воронов April 13 2013 14: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Smoke
      Amin believed us to the end .... it didn’t happen like that

      Soviet and Afghan blatars had different see "boyish" concepts laughing
    3. воронов
      воронов April 13 2013 15: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Smoke
      Amin believed us to the end.

      Amin was ready to lie down under the Americans, we were literally ahead of them by several days, if not hours. Amers would enter Afghanistan, place their missiles there, not even ballistic ones, but Pershing missiles of medium range (see Pershing range) and 60% of the territory of the Union would have been in their guns. Our troop deployment to Afghanistan, in that world political situation, was justified. soldier
      1. hommer
        hommer April 13 2013 20: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: voronov
        Amin was ready to lie down under the Americans, we were ahead of them in just a few days

        Not a fact.
        Quote: voronov
        Amers would enter Afghanistan

        Well, to hell with them, let them come in.
        A second Vietnam would be guaranteed. If the p.in.do.sov would be mowed by the hands of the Mujahideen, China would most likely help.
        Tests of our MANPADS on a freebie, in world opinion - Americans - aggressors, other nishtyaki ...
        With the Pershings - would they place it, wouldn’t place it - even if they did (what much did they place now in Afghanistan or Iraq?) - what a good object to attack the Afghan Mujahideen!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 13 2013 21: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: hommer
          Well, to hell with them, let them come in.

          This is now after what we know, we can say that, and then few people thought like you!
          1. hommer
            hommer April 13 2013 23: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: Yarbay
            few people thought like you!

            Greetings, dear!


            Yes, we are all backward strong, but then there were powerful analytical departments in the special services of the USSR!
            Where did they all look?
            After all, they had to calculate and report this option to the management! And reported - it could not be otherwise!
            I think that arrogance, growing senility and hatred in the highest echelons of power let me down.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 13 2013 23: 32 New
              0
              Quote: hommer
              Yes, we are all backward strong, but then there were powerful analytical departments in the special services of the USSR!

              Hi dear!
              I think the question was different!
              Look before the invasion of Afghanistan, there has long been no war!
              In principle, the Soviet special services apparently had very strong positions among the elite!
              The authorities, in principle, had pro-socialist forces and they did not have strong resistance among the population !! I think these moments played a key role !!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Look before the invasion of Afghanistan, there has long been no war!
                In principle, the Soviet special services apparently had very strong positions among the elite!


                experience has shown that the rulers of Tipo Amin always tried to sit on two chairs, for example: - Saddam.
                so it’s not as straightforward as the liberals yell about the senseless war in Afghanistan.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 33 New
          0
          Quote: hommer
          Well, to hell with them, let them come in.
          Second Vietnam would be guaranteed


          that more than two facts are difficult to keep in mind?
          tricky question:
          - here amers entered Afghanistan, what happened to us?
          1. hommer
            hommer April 13 2013 23: 48 New
            +1
            Facts and events should be tied to a specific time.
            Do not compare the current entry of NATO troops supported including Russia and the situation in 1979.
            Your backfill question is incorrect.
            Quote: Karlsonn
            that more than two facts are difficult to keep in mind?

            And follow the style of your appeals to opponents, please. As a Kazakh, I am very sensitive to such things. Moreover, by the nature of my work, I have to constantly keep in my head a disproportionately more than two facts.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 14 2013 00: 04 New
              +5
              Quote: hommer
              Facts and events should be tied to a specific time.

              I completely agree with this !!
              Therefore, I think that the analyst who at that time would have given the conclusion that the war would be long and bloody would have little faith!
              On what equipment would he give such a conclusion ??
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn April 14 2013 01: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: hommer
              And follow the style of your appeals to opponents, please.


              I always follow, if you involuntarily offended you - I apologize.


              Quote: hommer
              As a Kazakh, I am very sensitive to such things.


              Like Russian, I immediately rush into battle.


              Quote: hommer
              Moreover, by the nature of my work, I have to constantly keep in my head a disproportionately more than two facts.



              Quote: hommer
              I think that arrogance, growing senility and hatred in the highest echelons of power let me down.


              why then write frank stupidity?
            3. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 54 New
              +2
              Quote: hommer
              by the nature of his work, he is constantly forced to keep incommensurably more than two facts in his head.

              That is, the instantaneous functionality you have not yet lost? wassat
        3. воронов
          воронов April 13 2013 23: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: hommer
          With Pershing - would have placed, not placed

          And why should they now place their Pershing? The Great Union collapsed, and while the amers beat Russia
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: voronov
            The Great Union collapsed, while the amers scored on Russia

            yeah - they scored laughing You do not understand or how? Do you really believe that Tipo missile defense in the Czech Republic and Poland is against Iranian and North Korean missiles?
          2. hommer
            hommer April 13 2013 23: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: voronov
            The Great Union collapsed, while the amers scored on Russia

            I think that even if they scored, they will soon regret it.
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 13 2013 21: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Smoke
      Amin believed us to the end ..

      he hardly believed it was a cunning man and trusted almost no one !!
      1. воронов
        воронов April 13 2013 23: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        he was a pretty cunning person and trusted almost no one !!

        And you served in his diaries that you know him so well laughing
        1. hommer
          hommer April 14 2013 00: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: voronov
          Quote: Yarbay
          he was a pretty cunning person and trusted almost no one !!

          And you served in his diaries that you know him so well


          Batman is written without a soft sign.
          And why do you allow yourself to insult a stranger to you?
          Yarbay has long been on the site and its judgments are often controversial, but always interesting.
          1. воронов
            воронов April 14 2013 01: 08 New
            -1
            Quote: hommer
            Well, once he said, you all heard Rimbaud))) What a bore you are! A connoisseur of an army of horseradish! You don’t know anything !!

            This is in my address, Yarbay wrote in the comment. Of course, the orderly is written without a soft sign, I apologize for the typo, if this word is insulting to you, then I advise you to refer to S.I.Ozhegov's "Explanatory Dictionary of the Russian Language and at least one objective "you are our fighter for justice"
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: hommer
            Yarbay has long been on the site and its judgments are often controversial, but always interesting.


            with comrade Yarbay I do not always agree, but this does not prevent me from communicating fruitfully with him, if something is wrong for someone --- do not communicate.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 14 2013 04: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: Karlsonn
              I don’t always agree with Yarbay comrade, but this does not prevent me from communicating fruitfully with him,

              So we're kind of here for communication and going to fellow
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Ruslan67
                So we're kind of here for communication and going to


                I tried to convey the idea that it’s interesting for me to communicate with a person - I’m talking, but being rude and rude if the person I’m not interested in is silly.
    5. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Smoke
      Amin believed us to the end ....

      hug and cry crying


      Quote: Smoke
      it didn’t popazanski like that


      in politics, and even more so in geopolitics, "patsansky" concepts do not rule!


      Quote: Smoke
      and still drug trafficking collects its tribute for that ill-conceived decision.


      aha laughing compare mortality from drugs from 1979-89 and now.
  • Smoke
    Smoke April 13 2013 11: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: erased
    "Popatzansky" only punks argues and acts. The Central Committee of the CPSU and the Ministry of Defense of the USSR are not sub-public trash.


    You are right now all the guys who served there in Afghanistan just called sub-scum ....
    1. erased
      erased April 13 2013 12: 32 New
      14
      Soldiers and officers of the Soviet Army served in the DRA. Warriors, defenders of the interests of the motherland.
      And "pure kankretny boys" is from another opera. The one where booze, partying, showdown, graters, kankretny bazaars, assaults and presentations.
      Warriors have battles with the enemy, ambushes and raids, reconnaissance, guarding facilities, and garrison service.
      Catch the difference?
      1. воронов
        воронов April 13 2013 14: 45 New
        0
        Quote: erased
        Warriors have battles with the enemy, ambushes and raids, reconnaissance, guarding facilities, and garrison service.

        Smoke on a youngster did not learn this laughing
    2. воронов
      воронов April 13 2013 14: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Smoke
      all the boys who served there in Afghanistan

      The boys in the zone are serving time, the soldiers serve in the army
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik April 13 2013 12: 21 New
    +3
    It can be seen that Amin returned as a boomerang what he did with Taraki. (God is not a fryer). Ah, why stormed if Amin asked and waited for the troops to enter? And then he was almost poisoned: give the doctor a command, and he would finish everything quietly. They threw the guys into the embrasures ... For what?
    1. Smoke
      Smoke April 13 2013 12: 53 New
      -1
      plus to you, rummage) The assault and troop deployment was not appropriate, Afghanistan was almost 16 republics anyway, Amin could be removed in a quiet and everything would be normal in Afghanistan. I think this is our ministry of defense who decided to "run in" the young in a small war room, but it turned out as it happened.
      1. воронов
        воронов April 13 2013 14: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Smoke
        Afghanistan was already practically 16 republic

        You have beguiled Afghanistan with Mongolia, and this is far from the same thing
    2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US April 13 2013 15: 49 New
      +1
      You didn’t take into account that KGB agents poisoned Amin, and our doctor didn’t know this and actually saved Amin, as the doctor wrote in his memoirs. Amin and his son were killed in front of his eyes. And he miraculously escaped with a friend and a paratrooper burst into the room, we shouted that ours, he furiously turning his eyes thinking for a second jumped back into the corridor "but in general the KGB agents who were directly in Afghanistan warned that the invasion was not desirable and Amin pretended to be desires of the Afghan people and that the people would not tolerate the occupation and could take advantage of this in the West ... but everyone was sure "what bearded men in bloomers can do against such cars" from talking at the Kabul airfield ......
      1. воронов
        воронов April 13 2013 23: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
        KGB agents

        Agents are in the CIA and the FBI, and in the KGB, employees
  • Smoke
    Smoke April 13 2013 12: 40 New
    -5
    Quote: erased
    Soldiers and officers of the Soviet Army served in the DRA. Warriors, defenders of the interests of the motherland.
    And "pure kankretny boys" is from another opera. The one where booze, partying, showdown, graters, kankretny bazaars, assaults and presentations.
    Warriors have battles with the enemy, ambushes and raids, reconnaissance, guarding facilities, and garrison service.
    Catch the difference?


    Well, yes, these soldiers and officers themselves suddenly appeared suddenly .... just like all the other boys grew up in the yards and lived the boy’s yard life before being drafted. Do you catch the difference?
    By your logic, children grew up on their own from birth to 18 years old and then already in the Army a comrade politician once and all of a sudden all the guys enlightened and enlightened what is good and what is bad and the guys RIPED and became WARS OF GOOD AND LIGHT
    1. erased
      erased April 13 2013 13: 09 New
      +1
      What is a "boy's life"?
    2. воронов
      воронов April 13 2013 14: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Smoke
      .... just like all the other boys

      Actually, "boys" is a concept in the colonies for youngsters, in the army it is not acceptable, there are fighters soldier
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 13 2013 19: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: voronov
        Actually, "boys" is a concept in the colonies for youngsters, in the army it is not acceptable, there are fighters

        Well, once he said, all of you heard Rimbaud)))
        What a bore you are!
        Connoisseur of horseradish army!
        You don’t know anything !!
        1. воронов
          воронов April 13 2013 23: 47 New
          -2
          Again, this Turkish bashbuzuk appeared. Do you recall Ishmael? laughing
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 13 2013 23: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: voronov
            Again, this Turkish bashbuzuk appeared. Do you recall Ishmael?

            ))))))))))) made laugh)))) + for humor))
            Well, honestly, you often get boring!
            It’s clear, after all, that not all officers were here, but they took all kinds of hooligans from the 70s, too! I hope they’re not offended !!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 13 2013 13: 13 New
    0
    According to the photo nifiga is not special forces. Pure men on the hunt.)))
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 13 2013 13: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      According to the photo nifiga is not special forces. Pure men on the hunt.)))

      Normal, good photo. Real men. And what, it was necessary to show all the Rambas, with bare torsos? The men worked competently and professionally. Do not add - do not turn it down. Honor and praise!
    2. George
      George April 13 2013 18: 58 New
      +4
      Lieutenant Colonel Sergey Kuvylin. Member of the Alpha Group in 1978-2002 He was seriously injured during an operation in Kabul in the 79 year. He was a member of the hostage rescue team during the operation in Sarapul. In 1992, he refused to swear allegiance to Yeltsin and resigned.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 14 2013 10: 09 New
        0
        Quote: GEORGE
        In 1992, he refused to swear allegiance to Yeltsin

        But what, did they force Yeltsin to swear?
        1. George
          George April 14 2013 11: 21 New
          +1
          Hello Vitaliy.
          What kind of men do you get the hell out of, but in general, after the collapse of the USSR, everyone took new oaths (look on the net). And many refused.
          By the way, here's another photo:


          Senior Lieutenant Alexander Plyusnin was a member of the Alpha GRU special forces group in 1977-1982. He took part in the Kabul operation of the 79 year. Namely, he completed the main task - the elimination of President Amin.
          1. vilenich
            vilenich April 14 2013 11: 40 New
            +1
            Hello Yuri!
            Just as far as I know, Russia was not forced to take the oath of the Russian Federation additionally, but how the legal successors of the USSR counted the oath already taken. In contrast, in Ukraine, for example, the people of Ukraine were forced to take an oath separately.
            Quote: GEORGE
            Senior Lieutenant Alexander Plyusnin

            Quote: GEORGE
            Colonel Alexander Repin

            The guys honestly performed their duty, as the youth now says: respect to them and respect! The most important thing is that the homeland does not forget them, as we, unfortunately, often do!
            1. George
              George April 14 2013 13: 54 New
              +1
              Apparently such structures as Alpha swore:
              Major Victor Lutsev, member of the Alpha group in 1982-1992. He fought in Afghanistan, destroying particularly significant goals. Later he was a member of the hostage rescue group, participated in operations in Ufa, Sukhumi and Saratov. In 91, he participated in events in Vilnius and stormed the main television tower of Lithuania. In 92, Lutsev, along with a dozen commandos, refused to swear allegiance to Yeltsin and resigned in protest.
              The photo is not added. The site is completely buggy.
              1. vilenich
                vilenich April 14 2013 21: 12 New
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                Quote: GEORGE
                In 92nd, Lutsev, along with a dozen commandos, refused to swear allegiance to Yeltsin and resigned in protest.

                Apparently, there was still in mind some other form of confirmation of loyalty to the Yeltsin regime, but not an oath.
    3. George
      George April 13 2013 19: 00 New
      +5
      Colonel Alexander Repin was a member of the Alpha group of the GRU special forces. He was seriously injured in the Kabul operation of the 79 year, during the storming of Amin's palace. Later he took part in the rescue of the hostages during the terrorist attacks in Budennovsk and Pervomaisk.
      This is one of many of our specialists who are ready to protect the interests of our country at any time, anywhere.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov April 13 2013 13: 51 New
    0
    The whole history of Afghanistan since the year 74 is a KGB provocation in favor of their homeland - the USA, where Glen Miller (Andropov) grew up.
    Until the year 74, Zakir Shah ruled in Afghanistan, everything was calm and Russian botanists (Vavilov) and geologists walked and traveled everywhere with one guide.
    Then the Chekists staged a coup and set up Daud, Zakir Shah became an Italian exile.
    A little later they organized the “April Revolution” and Taraki and Amin began to rule, then Amin or someone else killed Taraki.
    Then the thing described in the article happened, a few years later Karmal was replaced by the local Chekist Najibullah, then Afghanistan was abandoned in a civil war, Najibullah held on for 3 years, but was blocked and hanged without supplies, even the Chekists did not save.
    Then, for several years, the country was ruled by field commanders, the Russian Federation sympathized with Masouda, then Masuda was blown up.
    Then the Americans staged a performance with skyscrapers and, with the help of the Russian Federation and the Northern Alliance, occupied the country.
    Now it is an American evacuation (non-flooding) area and territory of the war with 2 goals - the genocide of local people and the confrontation of the Nazis, who even earlier sought in the Himalayas.
    If the Russians asked the question “why” before doing something, the world would be better.
  • воронов
    воронов April 13 2013 14: 31 New
    0
    “Another thing - for what? After all, soldiers are always pawns in someone’s big game and they never start wars themselves ...” With these last words, the author ruined everything, so to speak, paid tribute to our shit and liberals
  • I think so
    I think so April 13 2013 16: 49 New
    0
    Having such opportunities to do everything QUIETLY and PURE arranged such a tararam ... It was enough to warn or physically detain the doctors for an hour and a half and this kind of turmoil would not have been required ... Rather, it seems like dishonesty than an operation ... Here is the United States using Chavez as an example ... quietly ... peacefully ... and you won’t dig ...
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 13 2013 17: 41 New
    +2
    If someone is interested in the fate of the “Muslim battalion” - 154 OSPN, I recommend the book: Igor Yuryevich Stoderevsky
    Autobiography (Notes by GRU officer)

    http://artofwar.ru/s/stoderewskij_i_j/text_0010.shtml

  • kNow
    kNow April 13 2013 19: 23 New
    +1
    you could just poison ...
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 13 2013 19: 40 New
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      Quote: kNow
      you could just poison ...

      Tried !!
      Not poisoned))))))
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 20: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: kNow
      you could just poison ...


      polonium !!! laughing
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 13 2013 20: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Karlsonn
        polonium !!!

        The story is silent about this))))
        but the fact that he was saved by a doctor who did not know about the operation seems to be a fact)))))
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 52 New
          +2
          Yarbay

          let's better remember the "Muslim battalion" - HEROES!



          unfortunately, the photos of the first squad in the right amount, the one that stormed the palace, were not preserved, the video uses photo 154 OOSPN after the second entry. sad
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 14 2013 00: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: Karlsonn

            let's better remember the "Muslim battalion" - HEROES!

            In general, I believe that everyone was HEROES there!
            I have left my personal grief and pride from those times!
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn April 14 2013 01: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              I have left my personal grief and pride from those times!


              while we can pass this on to our children, we are one.
    3. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth April 13 2013 23: 47 New
      +2
      He as Rasputin did not take poisons)))
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 13 2013 23: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Was Mammoth
        He as Rasputin did not take poisons)))

        They say experts believed that the only option with an enema))))))))
        1. vilenich
          vilenich April 14 2013 10: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          They say experts believed that the only option with an enema

          It is advisable to use the military version of the PK-100ZHPT enema (regimental enema per 100 zhopotochek). wassat
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 14 2013 01: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Was Mammoth
        He as Rasputin did not take poisons)))


        well what then the ice ax is the choice of the craftsmen.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Karlsonn
          then the ice ax is the choice of the craftsmen.

          I love classics too fellow But maybe in our age it’s time to switch to unmanned ice axes what wassat
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 14 2013 02: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            But maybe in our age it’s time to switch to unmanned ice axes


            piu-piu --- vamPP !!! fellow laughing
  • mox
    mox April 13 2013 19: 46 New
    -2
    The beginning of the war, which led to the collapse of the Union and the death of 15 thousand guys!
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 20: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: mox
      The beginning of the war, which led to the collapse of the Union and the death of 15 thousand guys!


      Well, firstly, the USSR did not fall apart because of the war in Afghanistan;
      secondly, according to various sources, the USSR’s losses were 13 --- 900 people (from 14 to 500, Vietnamese lost 1959 people to the USA);
      thirdly, at the moment, only in Russia 100 people die from Afghan narcotic drugs a year, we add here even the deceased from the remaining former 000 republics and we consider ----- 14 thousand people in ten years and, at best, from 14 500 people.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 13 2013 19: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    If someone is interested in the fate of the “Muslim battalion” - 154 OSPN, I recommend the book: Igor Yuryevich Stoderevsky
    Autobiography (Notes by GRU officer)


    I, in turn, would recommend books: E. Belyaev-Muslim battalion and S Kozlova-Special Forces GRU. 50 years. In this book are memories of participants in that event.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 20: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      I, in turn, would recommend books: E. Belyaev-Muslim battalion and S Kozlova-Special Forces GRU. 50 years. In this book are memories of participants in that event.


      as for the participation of the "Muslim battalion" in the storming of the palace - yes, I agree.
      But as for the history of this part from the day of its formation, then personally my opinion with Stoderevsky is described in more detail. hi
  • hommer
    hommer April 13 2013 20: 51 New
    0
    Quote: hommer
    Quote: voronov
    Amin was ready to lie down under the Americans, we were ahead of them in just a few days

    Not a fact.
    Quote: voronov
    Amers would enter Afghanistan

    Well, to hell with them, let them come in.
    A second Vietnam would be guaranteed. If the p.in.do.sov would be mowed by the hands of the Mujahideen, China would most likely help.
    Tests of our MANPADS and other weapons for free. In world opinion - the Americans - the aggressors, the information war on all fronts in the offensive version, the United States - the evil empire, other nishtyaks ...
    With the Pershings - would they place it, wouldn’t place it - even if they did (what much did they place now in Afghanistan or Iraq?) - what a good object to attack the Afghan Mujahideen!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 13 2013 22: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    I, in turn, would recommend books: E. Belyaev-Muslim battalion and S Kozlova-Special Forces GRU. 50 years. In this book are memories of participants in that event.


    as for the participation of the "Muslim battalion" in the storming of the palace - yes, I agree.
    But as for the history of this part from the day of its formation, then personally my opinion with Stoderevsky is described in more detail. hi


    I don’t argue, I didn’t read it, but if this topic is interesting, then I recommend these books for multilateral consideration from the point of view of the people participating there, and thank you for the info, I will definitely read the book you recommend!
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 18 New
      +2
      Prapor Afonya and thank you, I didn’t read the book you recommended repeat , already downloaded, as soon as possible I will read. soldier
  • Rusal
    Rusal April 13 2013 22: 56 New
    -2
    Yes neher there generally climbed
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 13 2013 23: 19 New
      0
      Quote: rusal
      Yes neher there generally climbed


      if you don’t understand geopolitics --- don’t ... get into such discussions.
  • yacht
    yacht April 14 2013 01: 04 New
    0
    Killing children is very bad, but it is not the special forces who blame it, but those who gave the order. Special Forces HAS BEEN OBLIGED TO FULFILL - OTHERWISE IT IS NOT SWAT.
    Unfortunately, those who give orders often remain as if nothing to do with. They gave the order to send troops to Afghanistan and ... they raked in full. But who is the hack? Of course, the performers, and those who gave this order seem to be white and fluffy.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 14 2013 01: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: yacht
      Killing children is very bad, but it is not the special forces who blame it, but those who gave the order. Special Forces HAS BEEN OBLIGED TO FULFILL - OTHERWISE IT IS NOT SWAT.

      This we discussed above!
      Look at Amin’s daughter with shot legs, then the local * new * authorities kept in prison!
      I am sure that at best the boys would have expected the same fate or would have been trite to kill!
      The chief account of the order does not think so, I think any officer or soldier would be indignant by a direct order * KILL CHILDREN *!
      Recently I read a story here about a group of US fur seals and how they tracked down and tried to capture one of the Taliban leaders!
      During the assignment, not far from the goal, we met shepherds, among whom was a 14 year old guy!
      According to a story like they had nothing to bind the shepherds, so they began to think, kill or let go! The group commander decided to make a decision by voting !! Let them go! After half an hour the Taliban detachment arrived there, a battle ensued and three of the four died! One of those who voted survived, to let him go, his voice was decisive! There he says that he really regretted his act, but I think that the story is untrue, but in any case they could not know how to end and in my opinion they acted correctly! There is much more torment for a normal person in tom sl Learn when you know that you killed unarmed! This is my opinion!
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 14 2013 01: 46 New
        +3
        Yarbay

        My friend, to be honest, I’m afigrating with today's children, against the background of how they dealt with the entire Saddam family, how they treated the Gaddafi family, and the background of the whole history of Asia and the East, how they treated families — the ruling dynasties (I’m not talking about the custom of carving all the boys taller than the axis of the arba); Are Soviet fighters, officers and their commanders blamed for their cruelty? belay
        request it’s time for children to give lectures on Medieval history (since they overslept and missed these lessons), on the bombing of Leningrad, Murmansk, Stalingrad, Dresden, Hiroshima from Nagasaki --- ep belay What are children doing at school?

        Quote: Yarbay
        The chief account of the order does not think so, I think any officer or soldier would be indignant by a direct order * KILL CHILDREN *!


        as practice has shown - not any.
        - Zina Portnova;
        - Valya Kotik;
        - Nadia Bogdanova;
        - and many, many others
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 14 2013 01: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: Karlsonn
          as practice has shown - not any.
          - Zina Portnova;
          - Valya Kotik;
          - Nadia Bogdanova;
          - and many, many others

          Here I do not argue, maybe wishful thinking!
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay
            Here I do not argue, maybe wishful thinking!

            Hi Alibek hi The reality is more complicated: even in the Waffen SS there were people who claimed, we are soldiers and not executioners request and were shot for failure to comply with the order
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 14 2013 02: 07 New
              +4
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Hi Alibek The reality is more complicated: even in the Waffen SS there were people who claimed that we were soldiers and not executioners and were shot for not fulfilling the order

              I know Ruslan !!!


              Private Joseph Schultz served in the 714th Wehrmacht Infantry Division, which carried out occupation service in Serbia. On July 19, 1941, after stripping in the village of Orahovac, his platoon received orders to act as a firing squad. 19 people were required to be executed on suspicion of participation in the partisan movement. The usual story. Unusually its ending. Joseph Schultz refused to participate in the execution. And after he was reminded that a military tribunal relied on disobedience, he laid down his arms and stood in a row with the executed. And he was killed with them. This historical fact impressed Serbs so much that Schultz was mentioned in Serbian school history books, and he was even erected a monument. A photo taken by one of the shooters has been preserved. Schultz goes to the Serbs.
              1. alitet
                alitet April 14 2013 02: 23 New
                +3
                There are real people in every nation. Schultz of them. This is the real MAN.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 29 New
                  +4
                  Quote: alitet
                  This is the real MAN.

                  And as a result, executed
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 14 2013 02: 42 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    And as a result, executed

                    But agree, we all admire his act, although we don’t know we ourselves could do the same!
                    as long as there are Schultzs in the world, evil will never triumph!
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 47 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      But agree, we all admire his act, although we don’t know we ourselves could do the same!

                      drinks soldier
                    2. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 15 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      But agree we all admire his act

                      Alibek! You know my attitude to everything with pluses and other things. But I would like to look into the eyes of the one who put against my post above am
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 14 2013 03: 18 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Alibek! You know my attitude to everything with pluses and other things. But I would like to look into the eyes of the one who put against my post above

                        Of course I know your attitude !!))))))
                        But I think who put the minus, I did not understand what you wrote!
                        A man who does not know you could take your koment for cynicism !!
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 39 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        A man who does not know you could take your koment for cynicism !!

                        Unfortunately, the share is very large request The best people leave first and this doesn’t change at all. And every ... well, you know
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 14 2013 15: 12 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        The best people leave first and this doesn’t change at all. And every ... well, you know

                        It is very pleasing and reassuring, especially when I recall our excellent health with you !!)))))))))))
                  2. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 07 New
                    +1
                    wink where to equalize?
                  3. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 04: 31 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    where to equalize?

                    Alexei ! yes nowhere request It’s just that sometimes you really want to look into people's eyes and understand, bastard or just?
                  4. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 02 New
                    +1
                    guano, it’s even in the Central Russian highlands, even in Africa - guano.
          2. alitet
            alitet April 14 2013 03: 01 New
            +2
            God forbid to be in his place. This is what you need to have in your soul to commit such an act !!! I have always been convinced that we are all people, we want peace. Some CIs decide for us that we are better than others or worse.
          3. vilenich
            vilenich April 14 2013 10: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And as a result, executed

            Yes, he was executed, but his memory lives on, and who now remembers the executioners who shot him!
      2. vilenich
        vilenich April 14 2013 10: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        Private Joseph Schultz

        A very interesting and significant fact, I did not know this.
        Thanks for the information!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 15 2013 14: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: vilenich
          A very interesting and significant fact, I did not know this.
          Thanks for the information!

          What is still important in my opinion is that everything happened in the year 41, that is, the German army was still invincible and the poleurope was already under the boot!
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: Yarbay
    I really regretted my act, but I believe that the story is untrue,

    Full of crap and you brother know it bully
    Quote: Yarbay
    they could not know how to end and in my opinion they acted correctly

    Sorry, but now you write correctly but don’t think request
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 14 2013 02: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Sorry, but now you write correctly but don’t think

      I can not say!
      But I know for sure that I could not !!
      I am too emotional person!
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 14 2013 02: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        I can not say!

        Do not need! This is not something worth writing on the forum. hi
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 14 2013 03: 07 New
          +1
          what can I say - Germany unconditionally capitulated, out of 27 USSR citizens only 000 soldiers died, I personally see no reason to leave the German nation on the planet, but nevertheless I admire the endurance and courage of all Soviet soldiers who went through the scorched villages and villages, through concentration camps, where tens of thousands of their comrades were killed, through all the evil - that civilized Europeans brought to our peoples and found the courage not to take root all civilized Europe.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Karlsonn
            personally, I see no reason to leave the German nation on the planet,

            Grip for a change? And then the forum is somehow boring request Goethe Bach Beethoven Feuchtwanger, etc. etc. But tell me what the Dresden Gallery is about.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Grip for a change?


              wink and then!
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 April 14 2013 04: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: Karlsonn
                and then!

                Well, it started bully And why is the German nation worse than the Anglo-Saxons?
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 03 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  And why is the German nation worse than the Anglo-Saxons?


                  you can’t go with trump cards like that! Germans in comparison with the English are children.
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 09 New
                    -1
                    I personally think that we did not need to play by the rules, we needed to cut out all civilized Europeans 200 years ago. am
                  2. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 14 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    we needed to cut out all civilized Europeans 200 years ago. am

                    And pick up children under 5 years old and they would be Russian now! But the liberalists will not understand us request Oh! will not understand
                  3. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 31 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    And pick up children under 5 years old and they would be Russian now! But the liberalists will not understand us. Oh! will not understand


                    judging by himself in the 13th century, the Pope blessed to slaughter our ancestors - they are supposedly animals.
                    Well, what do we look back at, what will they think of us? we are Russians! wild - Scythians - EPT !!! four times Europeans came to destroy us, and we all play in peace request Tactical and strategic long loafs are the best for Europe! soldier
                  4. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 39 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Well, what do we look back, what will they think about us

                    Yes, we especially do not look back what Now Berlin in ruins then in Paris booze bully
                  5. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Yes, we don’t really look back either. Berlin is in ruins, then in Paris it’s a booze

                    I do not agree.
                  6. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 49 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    I do not agree.

                    So I do not agree that we are leaving one and restoring another. And what are you doing?
                  7. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 14 2013 06: 12 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    So I do not agree that we are leaving one and restoring another. And what are you doing?

                    the French went twice to kill us, the Germans four times, the Russians entered Berlin as conquerors twice and once as liberators (from the point of view of Europeans), the Russians were in Paris once - they all had to be cut, Pope, when he blessed the Crusade on Russia, said:
                    - kill everyone who does not submit and does not accept our faith.

                    as a Russian man, son and grandson of the USSR's bloody ghouls, I will dishonor my ancestors, but I will say the following:
                    - Orthodoxy (I’m supposedly Orthodox-Zen-Buddhist (scary-communist-Stalinist)) is an orthodox Christian teaching, supposedly basic fundamentalist, Catholicism, Protestantism and everything else - there is heresy and a perversion of Christianity, and those who are really baptized and believe in God, obligated to destroy heretics, that is, to cut out all Europeans fellow laughing bully
                  8. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 06: 19 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    obligated to destroy heretics, that is, to cut out all Europeans

                    I agree! good Let's define the borders of Europe, at least according to FIFA and in the morning proceed soldier am wassat
                  9. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn April 14 2013 06: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Let's define the borders of Europe, at least according to FIFA and in the morning proceed

                    SO AS RUSSIAN FOOTBALL - NO! I propose clearing everything from the English Channel to the Mediterranean.
                    in, I want to show, peasant - apparently the first-class student among young men, there weren’t enough stars on the carpet, and so I decided to go against modern kids:

                    watch from 11:30 - dude lost his shape, but the classic’s grip is preserved good
                  10. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 14 2013 10: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    dude lost his form, but the classic’s grip is preserved

                    Well, I don’t know what was left of him, but I think any first-class athlete could strangle the pit bull at the beginning of the battle !! Too much messing around!
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Karlsonn
    you can’t go with trump cards like that!

    Well, this is only if there is no way to go with a buoy laughingAnd if there are trump cards? suggest walking with a spade? tongue
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    And if there are trump cards? suggest walking with a spade?


    yeah, since the Germans are alive, I propose to destroy the Angles winked
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: Karlsonn
    yeah, since the Germans are alive, I propose to destroy the Angles

    Inspired by Ugryumova love -Maybe his right flank. And I hit in the center? wassat
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Inspired by Ugryumova


    better like in the movie "High Rank" - a point artillery shock that demoralizes! I actually wanted to argue about the meaning of European civilization and value for us personally.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Karlsonn
    I actually wanted to argue about the meaning of European civilization and value for us personally.

    Sorry request This is not a question on which you can argue with me - most of my text will not be missed by the filter; the rest are moderators, but if briefly, it’s best to take Media out am
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 05: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    This is not a question on which you can argue with me - most of my text will not be missed by the filter; the rest are moderators, but if briefly, it’s best to take Media out


    crying crying crying
    gentlemen moderators, let us discuss the plan for the destruction of the British Isles, hypothetically, as the plot of an alternative, fantastic novel winked we with Ruslan67 we really will not eat to blow up dirty bombs in Britain - I promise soldier
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 05: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Ruslan67 and I really won’t go to blow dirty bombs to Britain - I promise

    Answer yes for your bazaar !? wassat As the current moment was explained to us at the time - Well, what is the British Isles vs Len VO? Spit on the map which of the used g .... and you can cover if there is no glue bully Well, what is there to discuss? wassat
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 06: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Answer yes for your bazaar !?


    if tomorrow they will not be - I'm not to blame !! no


    Quote: Ruslan67
    As the current moment was explained to us at the time - Well, what is the British Isles vs Len VO? Spit on the map which of the used g .... and you can cover if there is no glue


    they told me in due time:
    - RIGHT FLASH !!! YOU ARE WHERE THE ROCK, FALL !!!
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 14 2013 06: 34 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    if tomorrow they will not be - I'm not to blame !!

    That's always like that! And I'm the only one to disentangle this guano wassat
    Quote: Karlsonn
    YOU ARE WHERE THE ROCK, FALL !!!

    To spit on the map laughing
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 07: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    And I'm the only one to disentangle this guano
    so surely it's only you to blame!


    Quote: Ruslan67
    To spit on the map


    you just didn’t participate in GO Far East, when underground - figs understand where to throw your legs.
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 15 2013 00: 38 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    yeah, since the Germans are alive, I propose to destroy the Angles

    You are the most natural Troll !!! You, as a general before the general, have earned the mongrel you are bespontovy !!!
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn April 14 2013 04: 54 New
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    Quote: Ruslan67
    Grip for a change?
    wink
  • KuigoroZHIK
    KuigoroZHIK April 14 2013 03: 09 New
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    "they had nothing to tie !?" what nonsense?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 14 2013 03: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Kuygorozhik
      "they had nothing to tie !?" what nonsense?

      Of course nonsense!
      They wrote that they say they were unsuitable to tie straps even !!))
      I gave an example of a situation!
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 14 2013 03: 17 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        I gave an example of a situation!

        And the terrorists at one time left barefoot in the snow, and left boots in the trenches am wassat Well, aren't you scum? belay
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 14 2013 23: 13 New
    -2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    If you mock it is better where the AKS-74 is and how the AKM-63 and AKSU-74 pouches differ


    what if a person besides the “girl” didn’t hold anything else?
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS April 16 2013 08: 56 New
      0
      to whom is the word "girl" unfamiliar? Write a minusator so that the comments are not deleted. I will explain the meaning of the word, if you don’t know it. Gaps are being seen .... didn’t you encounter this
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 14 2013 23: 31 New
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    "If you mock it is better where the AKS-74 is and how the AKM-63 and AKSU-74 pouches differ"

    what if a man besides a “girl” didn’t hold anything in his hands?
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 15 2013 00: 12 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    The Soviet Army, corny of course, I grew up in it, want to watch or check? com tsu world, mine liber friend

    Are you the only one who has grown up in the army ???
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 15 2013 00: 16 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    two letters for the first place and four for the second.

    - no???
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 15 2013 00: 53 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    they told me in due time:
    - RIGHT FLASH !!! YOU ARE WHERE THE ROCK, FALL !!!

    At 11 years old and where do you fall ram? ???? At 11 years old, consider yourself a ram ??? Hard case !!!! drinks
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 15 2013 02: 42 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    they told me in due time:
    - RIGHT FLASH !!! YOU ARE WHERE THE ROCK, FALL !!!

    You drove one such topic? Are you our special forces.
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 15 2013 02: 46 New
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    Quote: ramzes1776
    I don’t believe what Stanislavsky said. They took me right into the soldiers in 1987. Please explain to me, maybe I’m not catching up with something.

    Can you answer? No?
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 15 2013 03: 15 New
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    Grip for a change?

    Let’s not with him !!! Come with me !!! You’re a cool guy. I’m calling you. You can’t really answer for yourself. You are our special forces. How about coming to visit ???
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 15 2013 06: 44 New
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      Quote: ramzes1776
      You are our special forces. How about coming to visit ???

      What are you all funny when you want)))
      1. Farik
        Farik April 15 2013 22: 48 New
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        [quote = Yarbay] What are you all funny, [/ qu
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS April 18 2013 22: 12 New
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      long bent? Listen .. ram - do not distort words
    3. O_RUS
      O_RUS 24 September 2013 08: 53 New
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      Quote: ramzes1776
      I'm calling you


      trying to become a youth ... will fail You are the hanger for your pants!
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 15 2013 22: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: Yarbay
    What are you all funny when you want)))

    You will see a funny clown in the mirror, any time you want !!!
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS April 21 2013 23: 59 New
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      Quote: ramzes1776
      You will see a funny clown in the mirror, any time you want !!!


      Won't you whine? Or just on the site ... indoor eagle
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 16 2013 09: 00 New
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    ramzes1776 can you not distort words?
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 16 2013 09: 00 New
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    ramzes1776 can you not distort words?
  • alitet
    alitet April 16 2013 21: 01 New
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    What are you biting, guys? While I read your comments, I forgot what they were talking about. One yells: “Come to me, and I will show how stern and strong I am,” the other vainly lays out his “intellect” as opposed to it. Is it under the chauffeur?