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Russian planes will be built from unique materials

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The head of the United Aircraft Corporation, Mikhail Poghosyan, is confident that the domestic aviation may well compete in the global market.


Mikhail Pogosyan, President of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), announced that composite materials will be actively used in all promising domestic aircraft.

According to him, for example, for passenger MS-21 projected wings based on composites. "They are sometimes called black in the color of carbon fiber, which forms the basis of this synthetic material. In order for aircraft manufacturers not to have problems with new materials, and of the highest quality, we are building two AeroComposite factories in Kazan and Ulyanovsk," the Russian the newspaper "Pogosyan. According to him, the assembly of the first composite wing MC-21 is scheduled for next year. “By the way, the main elements of the wing for this aircraft will be manufactured according to fundamentally new, so-called infusion technologies,” added the head of the UAC.

According to experts, the main difference between composite materials is the presence of reinforcing elements: threads, fibers, flakes of more durable materials. By combining the volumetric content of the components, it is possible to obtain materials with the desired values ​​of strength, elasticity, resistance to high temperatures, and so on. The production technology of wing elements, fuselage parts and other structures made of composite materials are currently considered among the most advanced in the global aircraft industry. Experts add: “black wing” gives a significant gain in weight of the aircraft, allows you to improve aerodynamics, which will make flights more economical.

Answering the question about what production volumes are necessary for the aviation industry to become a profitable industry in our country, Mikhail Pogosyan, in particular, noted that "we must have a production volume in the industry of at least three hundred billion rubles a year." "This is our plate. We have to go to it in 2015 year. This year we plan to reach 220-230 billions. Next year - to 260-270 billions, and starting with 2015, we should work with profit," said Pogosyan.

In his opinion, Russian liners may well be competitive. “We monitor global trends and try to be at a high level,” the head of the aviation corporation confirmed.

He also assured that the most advanced technologies are being actively implemented in domestic aviation. For example, the UAC President noted, “one of the basic requirements for fifth generation fighters, which distinguishes them from the fourth, is a low level of visibility.” "Therefore, we try various spraying and coatings that reduce the visibility of aviation complexes, including a golden color," the head of the United Aircraft Building Corporation explained.

He also said that the fifth-generation fighter, which will be built on the basis of the PAK FA test samples, will truly embody the most advanced technologies. “It will be a really breakthrough plane,” noted Mikhail Pogosyan, not without pride.

Recall that the newest Russian fighter Su-35 will be demonstrated abroad for the first time - at the 50 air show in Le Bourget (France). Aviation salon will be held in June of this year. About this today, 5 April, the official representative of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), Boris Krylov.

According to him, "UAC will present two combat aircraft in Paris: the Yak-130 and the Su-35, which have never before been shown abroad." “It will be a foreign premiere,” Krylov explained. He also noted that these aircraft will take part in the flight program of the exhibition.
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  1. vadimus
    vadimus April 8 2013 13: 22 New
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    It's time to get out of hibernation !!
    1. Gray-haired
      Gray-haired April 8 2013 14: 14 New
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      "President of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Mikhail Pogosyan announced that composite materials will be actively used in all promising domestic aircraft." - the article was written by an outspoken moron - composite materials have been used for more than one decade not only in aviation, but also in shipbuilding, it's a shame to read.
      1. soaring
        soaring April 8 2013 15: 23 New
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        That's for sure, here the author of the article is either not competent or write with the expectation of, to put it mildly, boobies, far from the aircraft structure .... fool
        1. redwar6
          redwar6 April 8 2013 18: 20 New
          +1
          So, unfortunately, most articles are written ..
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 9 2013 10: 41 New
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          They write with an emphasis on the word "active" and at the same time take into account the average level of education ... so everything is written normally.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal April 8 2013 16: 27 New
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        Quote: Gray
        that composite materials will be actively used in all promising domestic aircraft. "- the article was written by an outspoken moron - composite materials have been used for more than a decade not only in aviation, but also in shipbuilding, it's a shame to read.
        - were applied and are being applied very fragmentarily and in not so critical and loaded details, like a wing. The composite was used to lighten the body, for example. If a very thin aluminum sheet is glued from the inside with a fiberglass mesh, then we get a composite that is superior in strength to the same aluminum sheet from a much thicker aluminum. At the same time, the composite sheet is also twice as light! You are right, this kind of application of composites has taken place for decades.
        In this case, Poghosyan under the "active use of composite materials" meant a completely different level of use of composites, when loaded and heavily loaded parts are already made from composites. Boeing's Dreamliner was the first with such widespread use of composites. You did not quite understand the message of the article, or rather, you pretended not to understand the message of the article. For what purpose? Yes, just to douse Poghosyan with dirt, this is now the rule of good form on this resource. The instigator of this fashion is the VAF, which enjoys considerable authority. By the way, I recognize the authority of the VAF, but I am in no hurry to follow the fashion set by it, because I am not strongly subject to the herd instinct. The VAF is trying to make it fashionable to speak badly about another significant person in the Russian Federation, but so far it has not been entirely successful (without names). Esauls knock down fashion, such bastards -))))). Okay, lyrics.
        Gray-haired, it is not very good to call a moron a man who has headed one of the most successful aviation companies in the world for two decades. For overly aggressive actions in the Russian market against competitors, against the same MiG, you can condemn him, you can even dislike it, and you can even seek his departure. But he is definitely not a stupid person and he certainly knows more about aircraft construction than you do. Let's refrain from such unfounded assessments, especially since these assessments are made on the basis of a generalization of the use of composites for a long period since their invention, while Pogosyan talks about the use of composites in a specific detail - read more carefully about the "black wing".
        1. VAF
          VAF April 8 2013 17: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: aksakal
          In this case, Poghosyan under the "active use of composite materials" meant


          Hello Aksakal "! +! The gray-haired is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !!!!

          And from this article and Poghosyan's statements .. so "Boeing" rushing .. not covered up, that even read .. disgusting !!!

          Grannies run out of time with MS-21 .. start "rip off". wassat



          Already Boeingists "bungled" the composite Dreamliner ... you know the result? And you ... the black wing ... wassat
          And the repair of the composite is aware of how it is happening ???? And especially with us ???? bully

          And his so-called representative is not in the know. that the Yak-130 already debuted abroad Farnborough or once .. is this not considered ??? Yes, and the Su-37 is the same .. happened, sir, you know!
          so the article MINUS !!!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal April 8 2013 18: 45 New
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            Quote: vaf
            Gray-haired ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !!!!
            - Greetings, WAF! Let about Gray-haired disagree precisely on the content of what he has expressed. He specifically spoke out
            Quote: Gray
            that composite materials will be actively used in all promising domestic aircraft. "- the article was written by an outspoken moron - composite materials have been used for more than a decade not only in aviation, but also in shipbuilding, it's a shame to read.
            ... You assert that Sedoy is right on the basis of Poghosyan's intentions with regard to MS-21. But Sedoy's statement and your suspicions about Poghosyan are actually different things, don't you think? If Sedoy spoke in the spirit of, like, "Poghosyan rubs beautifully about composites, but he rubs in order to" master "R&D money for his pocket and therefore Poghosyan is a radish", it would seem to beat his position with your defense. And so - I remain in my position - Sedoy tore the quote out of context and accused Poghosyan of unprofessionalism. I don't see him right here.
            Quote: vaf
            Already Boeingists "bungled" the composite Dreamliner ... you know the result? And you ... the black wing ...
            - I know, moreover, I am sinful, because I gloated. But nevertheless, composites are a more promising material than traditional aviation materials that are currently used. The tensile strength of high-alloy steel with a cross section of 1 sq. Mm surpasses the mass of materials created recently - some types of nylon, almost all types of aramid fibers ("kevlar" refers to them, ultra-high modulus polyethylene. The record breaking tensile strength is boron-based fibers. also created a mass of materials superior in this indicator to the same steel. About aluminum I generally keep quiet. About fatigue resistance (and hence, the durability of the airframe), I also generally keep quiet. About the specific gravity (and therefore the mass of the aircraft at the same or I am also silent about the shortcomings - the high cost of these materials and the technological complexity in repair, there are a number of nuances. Aramids, for example, are afraid of moisture. But in general, composites are more promising material, and Dreamliner sores - the usual sores of the first-born, there is no way without it ... Poghosyan is right about composites. Another question is whether to introduce this to Poghosyan? th question. And he hits a little with SABZH.
            VAF, but why is Poghosyan so disliked by you? Premium reptile stripped? For what?
            1. VAF
              VAF April 8 2013 20: 20 New
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              Quote: aksakal
              Let about Gray-haired disagree precisely on the content of what he has expressed. He specifically spoke out


              Once again, welcome!
              They correctly say that haste is needed only when ... well, in short, in some cases!
              Therefore, I did not pay attention to the fact that in your answer to Sedom there was basically a "washing" of bones to me, and not a specific answer to Sedom ... so I will immediately answer your two .. "messages":

              To the first (answer to Gray), yes ... and by the way, Gray very clearly formulated his idea about who wrote this article, and more .. what did you "try" to bind in the future, I did not notice something, well it is ..by the way!!!

              And as far as I know, gold plating has nothing to do with composites .. besides this, for some reason, how many details of the center section are not voiced for some reason, the vdrg changes to "native" aluminum on the T-50-m .. maybe you tell me ???

              What have I "doused" Misha with mud? That he is. having collected a "gopkompaniya" and hooked Bobikov.svarganil Super-Duper, whose funds practically completely "killed" our aviation industry?
              Now about the other person? Has the witch hunt begun? The person and his Decisions are not exactly the same .. I understand that there is a moment when you have to answer for your promises ... but not the same degree?
              Or do we already have freedom of speech and thought ??? Is everything like in the Pinfloyd’s wall, all faceless and soulless with the universal Odobryoms? (About the magic pipe and the rat-catcher I won’t .. too hard).
              So you think Esaul is a buffer, so to speak ??? well .. the flag in your hands
              Well, for fashion, as you say sorry, well, never chased !!!
              it is clear that the arguments end, but .. not in the same ways, dear?

              Now, according to your second comment, to me personally:

              Once again read the comments of Sedoy, the article and my answer, everything is clearly described there .. Misha drives .. "over the ears" (for what .. well, here everyone thinks how he can and how he knows) ... but all this is repetition- "we made it digitally "and that's it ... is there anything else to say?
              For everything else, I already answered you .. about composites and aluminum on the T-50th .... after all, the Super-duper bastard doesn’t fly at all to the Range that is declared ....
              Why don't we love Misha? I blame him for the fact that he "ditched" in the first place the RSK MiG, and secondly .. all the other design bureaus, he has little left .. to crush Irkut under him and then for sure .. another megamogat, only aviation!
              When I flew, then Misha ... in general was still in the process of becoming, so no bonuses depended on him.
              Well, and the extreme .. if you are so sick of reading my comments, then ... well, do not read, or it will probably be easier for all of you that I would .. leave the site.
              Yes, for God's sake ... listen and read on .. garish speeches, only then what will you do?
              For sim let me take my leave! hi
              1. aksakal
                aksakal April 8 2013 20: 50 New
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                Don’t be offended, WAF!
                Not at all like that. Well, he pricked a little - immediately offended, as then about the lovers that Noah’s ark was built, and the pros that the Titanic built -)))).
                You’re right, I didn’t dispute this, I agreed with you,
                Quote: vaf
                Why don't we love Misha? I blame him for the fact that he "ditched" in the first place the RSK MiG, and secondly .. all the other design bureaus, he has little left .. to crush Irkut under him and then for sure .. another megamogat, only aviation!
                - This is a very bad situation and I also really do not like it. Monopolies are rotting, and this we see from Boeing. Rotting due to lack of competition, this is an objective law. I do not dispute your statement that Poghosyan says one thing - beautifully about composites, but in fact does not apply them, and this is evident in the T-50. And therefore, it does not fly far, because all of the traditional structural materials are made, and composites there for show on minor details that do not affect the mass of the airframe in any way. I agree with you here.

                Quote: vaf
                and by the way, Gray-haired very clearly formulated his idea about who wrote this article,
                - here I can not agree. You have very clearly formulated your idea about who wrote this article, and Sedoy dug into the phrase, taking it out of context. I just pointed out that if Sedoy wanted to talk about which Poghosyan, then he should have said about the same as you said. And it looks like Sedogo’s like, since Poghosyan says that composites are cool, that means composites are actually guano. But this is not so!
                And about the fact that you are a legislator on this resource - so this is not an insult, but a compliment, I thought you would take it that way. The only wish is that since you are a trendsetter and have such an influence on young minds, you just need to be more responsible about this. Remember that somewhere you will say something on emotions, but they will take it at face value and as an order for action -))))). I just wanted to say this -))) And about the prize - this is so, jokes -))))
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal April 8 2013 21: 17 New
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                  AU, WAF !!!!! Waiting for an answer to the post! I apologize! Aw!
                2. Atrix
                  Atrix April 9 2013 19: 58 New
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                  Quote: aksakal
                  Monopolies rot and we see it from Boeing

                  Since when did Boeing become a monopolist?
              2. evil hamster
                evil hamster April 8 2013 22: 11 New
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                Hello dear VAF, let's talk about him .. about sore smile
                After all, the Super-duper bastard, by no means, flies to the Range that is declared ....
                How is it that the first Armenian board flew from Yerevan to Paris and Madrid? or was it not the right superjet?
                1. VAF
                  VAF April 9 2013 01: 41 New
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                  Quote: evil hamster
                  Hello dear VAF, let's talk about him .. about sore


                  And what can I say .... after all, no one will tell the truth ... how many landing tickets were sold? Correctly, only 66, i.e. no longer possible, because when flying Yerevan-Madrid, the payload is not 9800 kg, but only 6600 kg.
                  Accordingly, you can refuel about 12 tons, and not 8680.
                  But these additional 3,2 tons are more than 2 hours of flight on a flight level with a flight weight of 35-38 tons.
                  That is an additional at least 1700 km.
                  That is, if with 98 passengers the range is 2470 km, then with 66 passengers the range is more than 4200 km.
                  Everything converges for the flight Yerevan-Madrid.

                  and if 10 people total plant. then generally..super news about Super-duper- non-stop flight Yerevan-Washington wassat

                  Quote: evil hamster
                  or was it not the right superjet?
                  1. evil hamster
                    evil hamster April 9 2013 22: 46 New
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                    Good evening, dear WAF
                    Quote: vaf
                    And what can I say .... after all, no one will tell the truth ... how many landing tickets were sold? Correctly, only 66, i.e. no longer possible, because when flying Yerevan-Madrid, the payload is not 9800 kg, but only 6600 kg.
                    Accordingly, you can refuel about 12 tons, and not 8680.

                    This is understandable, no one actually claims that he flew for more than 4 thousand with a full cabin.
                    Quote: vaf
                    But these additional 3,2 tons are more than 2 hours of flight on a flight level with a flight weight of 35-38 tons.
                    That is an additional at least 1700 km.
                    That is, if with 98 passengers the range is 2470 km, then with 66 passengers the range is more than 4200 km.
                    Everything converges for the flight Yerevan-Madrid.

                    Does not work. Let's take the empty curb weight of 27730 + 6600 load + ANZ of about 1800 total: 36130 and it has already sat down. That is 35-38 tons on the echelon does not work, rather 38-44 for this flight actual weight. In order for 3200 kg to be converted in more than 2 hours, it is necessary that the hourly consumption is less than 1600 kg / h - you are flattering to him :) of course, at the end of the flight, before the start of the flight, he went out for something like that, but the rest of the time IMHO the figure is 1800 more real, and this is 1.78 hours or 1400 - 1500 km. Thus they ate to take your number 2470 as a basis with full load, and take into account that up to Madrid 4040 in a straight line, and probably 4200 on the routes, but if there is a little wind in the face, then the actual flight range can be 4400 light, then it won’t reach will not reach. This of course is all spheroconin in a vacuum, maybe. the actual refueling is not known and what was the remainder at the landing, how many Armenians really wrote to themselves in ANZ. But judge for yourself flew to Madrid with 66 pax - the actual range is 4200-4400 (if the wind is at least 40 km / h in the face), flew to Barcelona with 74 passengers - 3550 you can safely write 3700 actual in a straight line, 76 flew to Marseille with 3250 in a straight line of 3400 actual, why should he not fly over with 98 actually 3000? By the way, the GSS claims that the LR version will fly 4500 with 98 people, while there will be virtually no changes in the design, they will simply raise the engine thrust and provide a maximum takeoff of 49 tons with something, so they will simply provide a full refueling with a full cabin, this is not the case now . I strongly doubt that they are engaged in profanity, more expensive for themselves.
                    Quote: vaf
                    and if 10 people total plant. then generally..super news about Super-duper- non-stop flight Yerevan-Washington wassat

                    No, it won’t work, tanks of 12300 kg maximum. so at least 66 at least 10 the difference is not great smile hi
              3. alexng
                alexng April 9 2013 02: 13 New
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                Hi, Serge! hi
                Don't get so excited. Everyone speaks to the best of their "wikipedia". I remembered one anecdote, I think it will be in the topic for your dispute. Probably even defuse the situation a little and extinguish the "tempest in a glass": wink

                A bold and decisive act was committed by student Vladimir Volfovich. Upon entering the dean, he banged his fist on the table and expressed everything that he thinks about the dean !!! Leaving the dean's office, he politely greeted the dean, who was returning from lunch.
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal April 9 2013 14: 06 New
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                  Quote: alexneg
                  Don't get so excited. Everyone speaks to the best of their "wikipedia".

                  - Well, a little increased -))) We have a weakness -))). You’re at least with understanding, and there’s a wanderer below 72, I’m gritting, immediately to insults, the white-bearded old man, I’ll go over to the VAF laughing laughing Over VAF throat overload! But the VAF denies that it forms a (negatively tuned) grouping or fashion, no matter in terms. How can a VAF deny it? Here's a stranger72 posted, now I'm afraid of my life. laughing Is this not evidence?
                  True, the VAF is also partly to blame - in the heat of the dispute, it agreed to deny the composites, which was immediately accepted by the forum users with hostility, and the VAF itself understands that all the same, the composites are tomorrow for aviation, but in the heat of the moment it was chopped off - and I'm to blame -))))) .
                  I am only for an open mind and objectivity. Okay in politics - there we should be for our countries, this is bias and subjectivity, but in technical matters it should not be. The rejection of Pogosyan personally turns into a rejection of composites, because Pogosyan spoke for composites -))))
            2. Snake4
              Snake4 April 9 2013 16: 51 New
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              I will add that the perfection of the composites is still clouded by structural strength in the arrangement of the fibers, the same oriented material will work worse in other load planes, but this is more a matter of design than of course.
              Of the drawbacks of composites, delamination, an analogue of fatigue strength, has not yet been defeated, and, just as colleagues noticed earlier, repair.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal April 9 2013 17: 53 New
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                Quote: Snake4
                Of the drawbacks of composites, delamination, an analogue of fatigue strength, has not yet been defeated, and, just as colleagues noticed earlier, repair.
                - I will add - in my work, a large and still unresolved disadvantage of plastic-based composites is the impossibility of heat dissipation if a part from this material bears loads + work associated with friction. Super-high modulus polyethylene, for example, has simply chic anti-friction and strength properties (in other words, a very slippery, even artificial skating rink skating rink made of this plastic can be made), but you want to get rid of metal parts that require lubrication. It doesn’t work out - the metal easily partes with the heat, there is no problem of heat removal with it, and you won’t just take the heat away from plastic ... If you dig this way, composites still have a lot of minuses, but progress does not stand still. Anyway - the composites will steer, I have no doubt. Here Poghosyan is right, according to Sabzh, he is right, although Poghosyan himself as a manager and aircraft manufacturer is in doubt.
          2. vjhbc
            vjhbc April 9 2013 02: 15 New
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            According to you, it turns out that we still have to build airplanes from canvas and wood (after all, the first aluminum parts for airplanes were also shit and probably were like you said I copy you with a change in the names of materials and airplanes (Already -------- "bungled" the aluminum ------... do you know the result? And you ... the aluminum wing ....
            And aluminum repair is aware of how it is happening ???? And especially with us ???? )
            1. aksakal
              aksakal April 9 2013 12: 25 New
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              Quote: vjhbc
              Already -------- "bungled" aluminum ------... you know the result? And you .. an aluminum wing .... A repair of aluminum in the course, how it happens ???? And especially with us ????

              - a little healthy conservatism will not hurt yes When you cheat on this conservatism - offended (WAF) request . Oh, and how now to post - before this ten times to apologize?
      3. Backbone
        Backbone April 8 2013 16: 42 New
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        So after all, it is written: ... actively ... What everyone has been applying for a long time is known to everyone. It is precisely the more massive use of carbon fiber and composite materials that it is high time to apply.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 8 2013 19: 53 New
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          Quote: Skeleton
          So after all, it is written: ... actively ... What everyone has been applying for a long time is known to everyone. It is precisely the more massive use of carbon fiber and composite materials that it is high time to apply.


          They make carbon fiber missile cases, I won’t say the thickness of the PM that you can’t penetrate closely, the bullet is stuck, checked ... Of the more serious weapons, we did not dare ... to bully winked The missile was from the decommissioned Temp-2S complex. TPK Topol and Pioneers were also made of carbon fiber, they were manufactured at the Avangard plant in Safonovo (Smolensk region), hell knows from time immemorial.
          We have a case reinforced carbon fiber (an example of OTRK Oka). amers technology was different. They had a composite of special fiberglass impregnated with resin was applied by a spiral-ring winding method on a special matrix. And then, it seems, they came to the conclusion that carbon fiber is more durable and reliable material just for some reason, right after the collapse of the Union in the early 90s .. request
          1. afpaz
            afpaz April 9 2013 00: 37 New
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            TPK and "Temp-2S" - fiberglass, "Oka" - "black".
      4. afpaz
        afpaz April 8 2013 20: 18 New
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        "Black" (carbon-carbon) fenders on the MC-21 are really the first time, everything is correct in the article, I myself worked with "black" gas-dynamic rudders in the mid-80s.
      5. Nick
        Nick April 8 2013 20: 31 New
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        Quote: Gray
        the article is written by a frank moron - composite materials have been used for more than a decade, not only in aviation

        The fact that you insult the author does not color you. Moreover, the author has nothing to do with it. He quoted the words of Mr. Poghosyan. This is, firstly, and secondly, Poghosyan said that composites will be used more actively in connection with the use of new technologies for their manufacture and obtaining new properties of composites ...
      6. Simon
        Simon April 8 2013 20: 36 New
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        It's time to switch to advanced technology yes hi
      7. afpaz
        afpaz April 8 2013 23: 43 New
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        In the article everything is written correctly - the first composite "carbon-carbon" wing on the MC-21. And I worked with small gas-dynamic rudders made of this material back in the mid-80s.
      8. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW April 9 2013 08: 45 New
        +1
        So Pogasyan to technology, like Serdyukov to the Army, guys on the cutting specialists !!!
    2. CAMS
      CAMS April 8 2013 14: 14 New
      +2
      THEY DO NOT SLEEP THEY COUNT
    3. auswais
      auswais April 8 2013 22: 26 New
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      totally agree-hare to sleep !! hi
  2. treskoed
    treskoed April 8 2013 13: 25 New
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    Well done, keeping up with today's requirements! And what does Chubais prepare with nanotechnology?
    1. Jackyun
      Jackyun April 8 2013 13: 36 New
      +9
      Chubais hurries nano-steps into the nano-future
      1. Nick
        Nick April 8 2013 20: 42 New
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        Jackyun:
        Chubais hurries nano-steps into the nano-future
        In the sense of becoming smaller? ... laughing
    2. Prokop
      Prokop April 8 2013 13: 40 New
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      Quote: treskoed
      Well done, keeping up with today's requirements! And what does Chubais prepare with nanotechnology?

      Chubais, except for the next terrorist attack against Russia, is not able to cook anything. Although nano, at least anything else, only anti-Russian dishes are obtained from any ingredients in his kitchen!
      1. Simon
        Simon April 8 2013 20: 42 New
        +1
        He can only come up with vouchers to cheat people. yes
    3. Zubr
      Zubr April 8 2013 13: 40 New
      +3
      And Chubais, ordered Romnano's development strategy from Romney .... request fool
      Started another dirty trick ....
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 8 2013 13: 42 New
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      Quote: treskoed
      And what does Chubais prepare with nanotechnology?

      His corporation incurred losses, that's all NANO.July 13, 2012 - For 2011, Rusnano brought a net loss of 3 billion. Moreover, 120,6 million - in the first quarter of this year. In 2012, another billion, although in another Chubais does not happen.
      1. opkozak
        opkozak April 8 2013 15: 46 New
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        That's the joke happened. Another scandal arose around the Skolkovo innovation center, also known as the Russian Silicon Valley, located near Moscow. As Skolkovo security officer A. R. Borodach told reporters, during a night walk around the premises, he discovered damage to the lock doors in the nanotechnology block and broken gates of the aviary with nanorobots, and the aviary itself was empty. When it became clear that one of the experimental nanorobots escaped, a state of emergency was declared immediately on the territory of the complex, a special unit “Alpha” was called from the capital, and the 55th Moscow Internal Troops Division was put on alert.
        Fortunately, a fugitive was soon found. Nanorobot stuck in a hole in the fence while trying to squeeze into it. On their own, security officers managed to stun and pull out the innovative development.
        According to the Center’s management, the nanorobot did not receive significant damage and returned to its native Nanoblock after replacing several lamps.
        An official audit has been launched on the fact of the incident, and the State Duma of the Russian Federation will soon consider the possibility of providing additional funds for the modernization of Skolkovo security systems.
        1. soaring
          soaring April 8 2013 16: 19 New
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          Super!!!! I love humor !!! good drinks
      2. Jin
        Jin April 8 2013 16: 58 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        July 13, 2012 - For 2011, Rusnano brought a net loss of 3 billion. Moreover, 120,6 million - in the first quarter of this year


        Welcome all! ! And what, in the government they do not seem to see it at all? the more I learn, the nausea it becomes ...
    5. Gray-haired
      Gray-haired April 8 2013 14: 10 New
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      Nanochubais is working on converting a torch into Ilyich’s bulb. He says that things are going, it remains to establish in which direction this is moving.
    6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 8 2013 14: 28 New
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      Under the leadership of Tolya Ryzhy, our nanotechnology will remain at the nanoscale for many years to come ...
    7. Nitup
      Nitup April 8 2013 14: 29 New
      +5
      The chief nanotechnologist Chubais and Dmitry Nanotolevich with his Skolkovo-Raspilkovo have not yet introduced new products.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 8 2013 15: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Nitup
        until new products have been presented.

        What guidance, such and results.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup April 8 2013 16: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What guidance, such and results.

          If this is a hint of Putin, then I do not agree with you. In Russia, not everything is as clear as it seems. For example, Chubais has such a roof that Putin is not trying to touch it yet. And only removed away from the government. But I personally have no doubt that Chubais is waiting for such an end, like Leib Davidovich Bronstein in due time.
          1. the polar
            the polar April 8 2013 16: 44 New
            0
            Well, call Chubais's "roof" by his last name, or is it also scary, like Putin the president?
            1. Nitup
              Nitup April 8 2013 17: 12 New
              +1
              No one is afraid, just a lot depends on it. By family name you can see those who are members of the Bilderber Club, which includes Chubais.
        2. Rider
          Rider April 8 2013 16: 41 New
          0
          I'm afraid, as if for the sake of this, they put him there.
          when I found out that they put innovation on innovation,
          I thought it right away.
    8. lazy
      lazy April 8 2013 16: 28 New
      0
      Chubais prepares a nano bolt from the tip of the middle finger to the shoulder
  3. bord731
    bord731 April 8 2013 13: 33 New
    +3
    The program "Polygon" very interestingly told (and shown) about the Yak-130 aircraft. Excellent cars, I would like to wish them good luck at the Avivsalon ... good
  4. Vtel
    Vtel April 8 2013 13: 34 New
    0
    Give Aviakhim! Hit the composite wing on the road!
    Men often do not insert pictures, is it a sight that has gone astray?
  5. Sirocco
    Sirocco April 8 2013 13: 42 New
    +2
    Russia steers on titanium alloys for aviation, confirmation of the Dremliner, which is created from our spare parts, partly with our hands. I hope that Russia will become a world leader in composite materials as well as with titanium. The touches to us from the USSR on composites were not bad. These materials were used in ballistic missiles, and that says a lot.
  6. DAOSS
    DAOSS April 8 2013 13: 43 New
    +1
    Taki gold planes will be)) In both senses laughing
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 8 2013 13: 55 New
      0
      If they put production on an industrial basis, then the cost price will decrease significantly.
  7. erased
    erased April 8 2013 13: 43 New
    0
    Flag in hand! Such a thing always causes only approval! If only there was a result! And if only our technologies did not flow to the side.
  8. fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 8 2013 13: 47 New
    18
    And yet ... Don't say "gop" until ....
    I liked the way it was in the USSR better. On what-thread Le Bourget as they roll out the four-thread, as they fly off, all "friends" have angina for a month. Or how something will sweep across the border, the enemy's air defense oh..et. On the next lazy statement, TASS said, so they say, they tested the latest blah-blah, completed the task, the design team was presented for government awards ...
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 8 2013 17: 00 New
      +2
      Don't just like it. This approach is our one and only chance. We will never begin to buy high-tech products at the highest international standards. Never. They won’t even take it for nothing. Our products will be bought only in one case - if the standards do not reach it!
      If we are on the level - they will destroy us, there is no need to build illusions. Our chance is only one - we must be unattainable the best! I can’t imagine how to do this when the supreme authority relies on thieves, scammers, dumber - effective managers and other greedy dubai ...
  9. Romch
    Romch April 8 2013 13: 55 New
    0
    I don’t like Poghosyan’s remark “that the domestic aviation may well compete in the world market”. She cannot, but competes and quite successfully, I would even say that she is in the lead. IMHO
    1. TAGIR
      TAGIR April 8 2013 14: 13 New
      +3
      This refers to passenger aircraft
  10. bubla5
    bubla5 April 8 2013 13: 56 New
    +7
    When a high-ranking and - from says to go out and master at the level of several hundred billion rubles, and not the quantity and quality of aircraft, the impression is made of pre-ditched and stolen funds
  11. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 8 2013 13: 57 New
    0
    So material science and sopromat will come in handy!

    In general, I think that the future is behind compasses (A good option for investment in production!)
  12. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross April 8 2013 13: 59 New
    0
    It's time to make your own composite materials, build factories that work for military and civilian aircraft and other consumer goods, so that everything pays off ...
  13. CAMS
    CAMS April 8 2013 14: 11 New
    0
    CHEAP AND ANGRY HERE ANSWER AND IT'S Crap
  14. rpek32
    rpek32 April 8 2013 14: 20 New
    +5
    Factories are gut! New production is new jobs. good
    1. Backbone
      Backbone April 8 2013 16: 47 New
      0
      But I don’t like that the construction of factories will be in the same cities. For me, this is how we need to build more in Siberia so that not a single enemy missile reaches them.
      1. Gemar
        Gemar April 9 2013 09: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Skeleton
        it is necessary to build more in Siberia so that not a single enemy missile reaches them.

        China
  15. Alikovo
    Alikovo April 8 2013 14: 29 New
    +4
    the construction of the plant itself is already jobs
  16. evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 8 2013 14: 29 New
    0
    Hello everyone! Since when is the Yak-130 combat aircraft love As for the construction of factories, certainly a plus.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 8 2013 15: 15 New
      +1
      Stupidly from Wiki
      UPK-23-250 cannon containers with 23 mm cannons and 250 rounds of ammunition in each - 2-4 pieces.
      The combat load: 3000 kg
      Guided missiles: class air-to-air melee R-73, R-77 - 2-4 pcs.
      Unguided missiles: B8M-1 blocks with S-8 unguided missiles - 2-4 pcs.
      Bombs: Adjustable and Ordinary Bombs

    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 8 2013 15: 21 New
      0
      If bags with sausage and bread hang under this airplane’s wings, then this is a food airplane laughing
  17. sokoloff4791
    sokoloff4791 April 8 2013 14: 47 New
    +1
    THERE ARE THE NEW WINGS OF THE HOMELAND REVIVAL !!!!!!!! ON WHICH IT WILL TAKE NEW HEIGHTS OF ITS GREATNESS !!! I'm madly glad drinks
  18. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 8 2013 14: 48 New
    0
    we are building two plants "AeroComposite" in Kazan and Ulyanovsk "

    the key word is BUILD.not BUILD, i.e. in the future, but already built, i.e. in the present.
    who wants to object that no factories are being built in Russia? or do you need factories for the production of underpants or curtains?
    1. KuigoroZHIK
      KuigoroZHIK April 8 2013 17: 23 New
      +3
      Well, we also need panty and curtain factories! And it is desirable that they open in the same quantities as shopping centers!
    2. stranik72
      stranik72 April 8 2013 21: 01 New
      +2
      In Russia, factories are being destroyed, then new ones are being built to absorb budget money, and then markets for the sale of consumer goods from China are created at the constructed factories. Where they sell panties and curtains are also Chinese.
  19. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 8 2013 14: 56 New
    +3
    Something is not observed in the Su-35 composites, compared with the Su-27, the mass has grown by two tons, where are the composites?
  20. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 8 2013 14: 58 New
    +1
    It is nice to read such articles when something is being done, built, created. The main thing is that it would be a constant trend. We can do everything!!! smile
  21. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 8 2013 15: 20 New
    +3
    It seems to me that the T50 will soon rise across the throat of the American raptors drinks
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 April 8 2013 20: 58 New
      +2
      "It seems to me that the T50 will soon get in the throat of American raptors."
      There is nothing to get up, he will get across the throat of our Air Force and the budget. In order to create the future, you need to build something in the present, and the repentance has not built anything in the present.
  22. Professor
    Professor April 8 2013 15: 35 New
    +9
    That's what effective managers mean, plants are still being built, and the company can already compete in the global market. fool
  23. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik April 8 2013 15: 42 New
    +4
    Poghosyan added his son, you can think about composites, the money in the family is not superfluous ... With the arrival of such managers, so far only blah-blah-blah ... They try not to remember the Superjet at all, especially about the "mastered" money. Now she feeds the people with promises about MC21.
  24. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK April 8 2013 15: 59 New
    +2
    It would be nice to put specialists in this area at the head of a specialized office. And the Kremlin is more likely to like effective managers at the head. And specialists are secondary. Therefore, we live as we are now. And we chat about the planned successes of the other. What is still in abundance in Russia is Fools in power (read crooks) and bad roads. I would like the other way around. Here I would live to see my grandchildren before this ... In one of the comments, titanium was mentioned for the Dreamliners. The United States got it from us, Verkhne Salda Metallurgical Plant.
  25. Simple
    Simple April 8 2013 17: 15 New
    0
    "... UAC Mikhail Pogosyan, who is organizing the meeting in Novosibirsk, told Izvestia that the corporation is now interacting with Skolkovo in several areas.

    - We have a program for innovative development, it has key areas - for example, composite materials. And we are looking for opportunities to use the tools offered by Skolkovo, in our interests and to solve our problems in creating high-tech industries, - explained the head of the UAC, while not discussing the details of the meeting ... ":
    19.03.2013

    http://izvestia.ru/news/546824
  26. Simple
    Simple April 8 2013 17: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    Already the Boeingists have made a composite Dreamliner.


    Sergey, good day, your reaction is quite understandable.

    Quote from http://www.boeing.ru/enBoeing----Russia/O- Decreased Boeing----Russia/Constructors-Center:


    "... Over its almost 10-year history, the Boeing Design Center in Moscow has taken an active part in more than 250 projects, and since 2000 has been participating in all Boeing Civil Aircraft programs, including such large-scale projects as the 747 Boeing Converted Freighter, Boeing 737-900ER, Boeing 777-200LR / 300ER, Boeing 777F, Boeing 767-200SF / 300BCF, Boeing 747LCF, new 747 family aircraft - Boeing 747-8, as well as the newest airliner - 787 Dreamliner ... "
  27. ioann1
    ioann1 April 8 2013 18: 06 New
    -3
    Rogozin well done! It is felt that his support for the military-industrial complex is on top! With God!
  28. afpaz
    afpaz April 8 2013 18: 38 New
    +1
    "Black" (carbon-carbon) fenders on the MC-21 are really the first time, everything is correct in the article, I myself worked with "black" gas-dynamic rudders in the mid-80s. "Superjet", despite the name, do not find fault. Good domestic design, better than foreign counterparts. "Growing pains" like any new technology, but less than in Soviet times. And production has always been more difficult for us than design. Moreover, they regretted money from the budget for the development of production.
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik April 8 2013 21: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: afpaz
      Superjet ", despite the name, do not find fault. Good domestic design, better than foreign


      laughing good That's the line behind them lined up .. laughing
      1. afpaz
        afpaz April 8 2013 22: 03 New
        -1
        The queue is big - 153 firm orders plus 73 options.
  29. Simple
    Simple April 8 2013 20: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Ascetic
    amers had a different technology


    As an example:

    [media = 787:% 20Game-Changing% 20innovation]
  30. Simple
    Simple April 8 2013 20: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Ascetic
    amers had a different technology


    As an example:




    In Russian:
    http://www.boeing.ru/%D0%9C%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B
    8% D0% B0 # gallery / 787Gamechanginginnovation
  31. stranik72
    stranik72 April 8 2013 20: 54 New
    -2
    aksakal
    "Yes, just to pour Poghosyan's dirt on, this is now the rule of good form on this resource. The instigator of this fashion is the VAF, which enjoys considerable authority."
    I have arguments, so I immediately turn to insults:
    Dedok, in Russia everyone who is associated with the creation of Russian aviation considers Poghosyan a cunning and insignificant manager the burial of Russian aviation, behind the back of this gentleman only the collapse of ANYTHING worthwhile, he did not create, and at the moment, the UAC is bankrupt, no ideas, no money. Well, the appointment of his son to the post of deputy of the UAC for finance at the age of 27, says that his morality is also weak. About composites in the USSR, we were the first to make rockets out of them, and in 2000, not without the participation of this gentleman, the plant in Korolev was closed, "as unnecessary" when the government proposed to include this plant in the UAC. So don't be a kid and listen to your elders.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal April 9 2013 12: 34 New
      0
      Quote: stranik72
      Yes, just to dousing Poghosyan with grzyayu, this is now the rule of good taste on this resource. The instigator of this fashion is the VAF, which enjoys considerable authority

      - well, you would not rip a quote out of the context, in general, the message of the article there is different, in short - "perhaps Poghosyan is guano, but in this case SABG - and the use of composites in Russian aircraft, let's discuss SABG and discuss Poghosyan's words within the framework of his statements. " Is this clear? How to explain it differently?
      Quote: stranik72
      therefore, I immediately turn to insults:

      Quote: stranik72
      So don't be kidding and listen to the elders

      “Did you think well before posting it to me?” I advise you to beware and still think again No.
  32. afpaz
    afpaz April 8 2013 23: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Gray
    "President of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Mikhail Pogosyan announced that composite materials will be actively used in all promising domestic aircraft." - the article was written by an outspoken moron - composite materials have been used for more than one decade not only in aviation, but also in shipbuilding, it's a shame to read.

    In the article everything is written correctly - the first composite "carbon-carbon" wing on the MC-21. And I worked with small gas-dynamic rudders made of this material back in the mid-80s.
  33. afpaz
    afpaz April 9 2013 00: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Ascetic
    Quote: Skeleton
    So after all, it is written: ... actively ... What everyone has been applying for a long time is known to everyone. It is precisely the more massive use of carbon fiber and composite materials that it is high time to apply.


    They make carbon fiber missile cases, I won’t say the thickness of the PM that you can’t penetrate closely, the bullet is stuck, checked ... Of the more serious weapons, we did not dare ... to bully winked The missile was from the decommissioned Temp-2S complex. TPK Topol and Pioneers were also made of carbon fiber, they were manufactured at the Avangard plant in Safonovo (Smolensk region), hell knows from time immemorial.
    We have a case reinforced carbon fiber (an example of OTRK Oka). amers technology was different. They had a composite of special fiberglass impregnated with resin was applied by a spiral-ring winding method on a special matrix. And then, it seems, they came to the conclusion that carbon fiber is more durable and reliable material just for some reason, right after the collapse of the Union in the early 90s .. request

    "Temp" is made of fiberglass, "Oka" is "black".
  34. afpaz
    afpaz April 9 2013 00: 31 New
    0
    TPK from "Topol" is fiberglass, "Black" is expensive.