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Moscow struck training strikes on US missile defense facilities

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Moscow struck training strikes on US missile defense facilities

Russian strategic bombers Tu-22M imitated strikes with cruise missiles at a number of US missile defense systems in the Asia-Pacific region. One of the targets was the American warship, which is located off the coast of Japan.


“Russia continues aggressive offensive exercises in the Pacific against the United States and its allies,” said retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney. - You need to understand that they look at the "reset" is not the way we do. They perceived it as the return of the former status of a superpower, as under the USSR, and our administration is striving for unilateral disarmament. ”

The Pentagon refuses to comment on the incident in any way, reports InoTV. The American side wonders what caused this operation. However, this means that Russia is aiming at US missile defense facilities, which, due to the tension in the DPRK, were brought on high alert.

Russia does not hold such exercises for the first time. Moreover, such operations almost always coincide with political events. Now Washington is linking the exercise with the upcoming visit of American national security adviser to the president, Thomas Donilon, to Moscow. He will come to Russia to resume talks on missile defense.

Recently, Pentagon chief Chuck Hagel announced that missile systems would be deployed in Poland as part of the European missile defense system. These systems will protect against short-range and medium-range missiles, rather than intercontinental ballistic missiles, as previously planned. The US military explained that the decision was made in connection with budget cuts in the country and a reassessment of the threat posed by the DPRK.
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  1. Bronis
    Bronis April 8 2013 13: 18 New
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    The American side is perplexed at what caused such an operation.

    Perhaps the deployment of missile defense facilities along the perimeter of the borders of the Russian Federation? smile
    Unless, of course, such exercises were carried out.
    1. VAF
      VAF April 8 2013 13: 35 New
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      Quote: Bronis
      Perhaps the deployment of missile defense facilities along the perimeter of the borders of the Russian Federation?


      If it is precisely to “send” Tu-22M3 to missile defense facilities along the perimeter of the borders of the Russian Federation, and even as in the photo in the article with the FAB-3000M54, then they will .. stay there forever!
      And the X-22 missiles for these purposes ... are not adapted. If only with YaBCH!

      And so only on ships with Aegis! And then without air cover. And if the goals (missile defense ships will stand within 300-400 km from their territory, then ... and there will be .. sadness!
      1. Bronis
        Bronis April 8 2013 13: 53 New
        +3
        Yes, my impression is that if it was, then the action is purely political, without emphasis on real effectiveness from a military point of view. The same "Iskanders" are not the answer of the US missile defense, but of the United States and its satellites (politics). Established Iskander missiles will not be able to hit half of the missile defense facilities in Europe in range, and the CD of the DBs in terms of speed characteristics is not very good - they will be able to get to the parsing.
        For the same Tu-22M - Japan - the best "aircraft carrier" for the United States. There they have quite a lot of combat aircraft concentrated. And the self-defense forces will not stand aside ... The conclusions are clear - the Tu-22M has little chance, especially considering their number. More chance of SSBN. But even this, provided that we start a war ...
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto April 8 2013 14: 39 New
          +3
          With something such a howl raised our bosom-foreign friends? Or is their destroyer with missile defense systems a cruise ship, which is not "worked out" in a patsian way ?!
        2. VAF
          VAF April 8 2013 17: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Bronis
          Yes, my impression is that if it was, then the action is purely political,


          Yes, this is not a single action, but ordinary scheduled route flights, with training tactical launches, and the amers raised a howl just to ... raise it.

          And in general it’s a PRO .. hat is a complete .. divorce for suckers, here are some of our leaders .. are “underway”.

          And why hit the Iskander missile defense facilities ???? Only PSU translate.

          With the second part of komenta (WHERE ABOUT THE Aircraft Carrier) I AGREE!

          1. Bronis
            Bronis April 8 2013 19: 56 New
            +2
            And in general it’s a PRO .. hat is a complete .. divorce for suckers, here are some of our leaders .. are “underway”.

            By itself and in its current form - yes, still a hat hi But potentially a thing can become dangerous (a matter of time and price). Especially coupled with the "Fast global strike." However, in recent years, 30 has been thrown and resumed many times ... with well-known results. Here, in many respects, the traditional "American complexes" take place - a thirst for the invulnerability of their territory. At least imaginary. Politics is the same. At the same time, the same radars located in Europe are, in fact, SPRN. And this is a competitive advantage - they will see before, calculate where the gift will fly. The main thing in counteracting the American strategy is the development of the MDL in both the BR and the KR. And the presence of a sufficient number of hard-to-hit carriers for retaliatory / counter strike - SSBNs, BZHRK, "Yars" and others.
            The main thing is that in order to successfully complete the missile defense mission, it must be many times greater than the enemy's strategic nuclear forces. And in this situation, you can stay without pants ... expensive and technically difficult.
            1. Land
              Land 7 May 2013 20: 26 New
              0
              In your article, everything is “encrypted” - one reduction. For example, I realized that you are very well in the subject! Only, not really, divulge all secrets. The enemy is cunning and treacherous !!! ABVGD Hedgehogs ICL!
      2. Don
        Don April 8 2013 14: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        And the X-22 missiles for these purposes ... are not adapted. If only with YaBCH!

        And the X-55 on the Tu-22 can not be placed? Or are they only for the Tu-160 and Tu-95?
        1. Bronis
          Bronis April 8 2013 14: 12 New
          +5
          Exactly. X-55 is not RCC. It is very difficult for her to destroy the destroyer ... But X-22 was created precisely for this.
          1. VAF
            VAF April 8 2013 17: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Bronis
            X-55 is not RCC.


            This is true, but on its basis it was designed and tested exactly as the anti-ship missile system. It’s called the X-65, but the truth is that it still doesn’t exist in the troops, and the warhead like the X-22 (a hundred kilograms less, though) is still for the destroyer or cruiser URO quite .. enough !!!

            1. Bronis
              Bronis April 8 2013 21: 47 New
              +1
              By the way, the X-65 range seems to be less than the "strategic" counterpart. Something in the 500 km area.
        2. VAF
          VAF April 8 2013 17: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Don
          And the X-55 on the Tu-22 can not be placed? Or are they only for the Tu-160 and Tu-95?


          No, you can’t unfortunately .. firstly, constructively, and secondly ... BEBO does not allow it!

          The experimental work was ... hang on the 4th under the plane, but ... so they remained in ... conception!

          So only X-22, well, before X-15th (in the belly)!

          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 8 2013 21: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            No, you can’t unfortunately .. firstly, constructively, and secondly ... BEBO does not allow it!


            Sergei! I heard such a thing that they are going to upgrade it under the KR X-32 and then he will not have to enter the air defense zone as in Georgia. The tests of the X-32 anti-ship missiles were successful already in the late 90s. Long-range aviation worked here in conjunction with the sailors: they willingly gave their old vessels for firing. And what? In the early 2000s, everything stalled! X-32 is still not in service. And for Tu = shek she is just good!
            1. VAF
              VAF April 9 2013 00: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              I heard such a thing that they are going to upgrade it under the KR X-32


              Hi Stanislav! I heard the same thing from my ear, but ... no more. and even more so. that no one really saw her in the army at all.
              In 2004 was on the anniversary of our division. just in Shaikovka. I was talking with the guys from the "Long" regiment .. the same picture .. not by hearing.
              And in general .. in my opinion this is a "duck", because the principle of the GOS operation is not understandable for her at all ... PNA simply doesn’t see such a range, and the control center is from a satellite, so there are no such satellites yet, and by the time they appear. then the planes will already be in circulation .... by "age"!
              By the way, all the photos in this article with the Tu-22m3 are just all Shaikov’s (November-December 2012) as you can see only x-22'e!
      3. Su24
        Su24 April 8 2013 16: 40 New
        -1
        You can sometimes be difficult to understand. Why dots, omissions?
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 8 2013 14: 33 New
      +7
      It is as if NATO itself is training on cats ... The same is practicing an attack on military facilities in Russia ... innocence itself, at a loss they are ... hypocrites!
      1. zanoza
        zanoza April 8 2013 16: 26 New
        0
        Apparently, the message was about the US destroyer of the Arly Burke project with the Aegis system, upgraded to the ability to solve missile defense problems, and not just traditional air defense.
      2. Норд
        Норд April 8 2013 16: 57 New
        +3
        First: the Tu-22M has never been a strategic bomber.
        Secondly: in the picture the FAB and not the KR.
        Thirdly: the retired general came up with a new type of exercise - "aggressive offensive", and he probably spent the entire service "peaceful retreat."
        Fourth: Thomas Donilon in connection with such an erection, oh sorry - Washington’s reaction is to gather not in Moscow, but in Burkina Faso and there to hang up noodles about the missile defense designation, because by definition such hysterical idiots can’t be negotiated by definition.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 9 2013 10: 27 New
      0
      It was carried out more than once ... a fool would have become clear what was happening ...
  2. smart ass
    smart ass April 8 2013 13: 19 New
    +4
    This news has already been
  3. Gregazov
    Gregazov April 8 2013 13: 19 New
    +1
    It is very interesting who it can get to Poland with short- and medium-range missiles. After all, this missile defense is not directed against Russia in any way. Probably Transnistria was chosen as the likely aggressor.
  4. Vtel
    Vtel April 8 2013 13: 20 New
    +2
    Recently, Pentagon chief Chuck Hagel said that missile systems would be deployed in Poland as part of the European missile defense system. These systems will protect against short- and medium-range missiles, rather than intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    Yes, in Poland there are a lot of kosher ponds, we will rub our ears with pshek, that all this is for our own good.
  5. treskoed
    treskoed April 8 2013 13: 22 New
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    Bringing the US missile defense facilities into combat readiness in connection with the actions of the DPRK gives us a unique opportunity to identify these objects and practice their destruction. It was a sin not to take advantage of this! Well done !!!
    1. Prokop
      Prokop April 8 2013 13: 30 New
      +7
      Absolutely right! Not every day there are such flashes, but we really need to train!
    2. VAF
      VAF April 8 2013 13: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: treskoed
      gives us a unique opportunity to identify these objects and practice in their destruction.


      And what identify them then? belay they have long been all .. "identified" and Amerovsky and Dzhampovskie! bully
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv April 8 2013 13: 45 New
        +3
        And what identify them then? belay they have long been all .. "identified" and Amerovsky and Dzhampovskie!

        Moreover, most likely, the complex exercises with a probability of 147% under water, the mineral carrier also reached the launch line.
    3. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 8 2013 20: 22 New
      0
      And where is the guarantee that the “Zulu dancing” around Eun is not a hidden preparation for an attack on Russia?
      What are we? we simply designated "guys, do not fuss, the miracle shield giving +100 protection in this case will not fail.
  6. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 8 2013 13: 30 New
    +4
    I hope there was massive diarrhea on the American ship laughing
    1. dmitry46
      dmitry46 April 8 2013 13: 32 New
      +3
      and then massive constipation! laughing
    2. aksakal
      aksakal April 8 2013 13: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I hope there was massive diarrhea on the American ship

      - Well, just a little trolling amers on this topic, like rockets and bombs streaming onto their heads, is possible and even necessary. That would be in good shape were remembered that they are not the only ones on the planet who can bombard the enemy with bombs at most do not indulge! laughing
      1. WWW.budanov
        WWW.budanov April 8 2013 14: 50 New
        +1
        And I think, why are the amers in August 2008 brought in for transport on the upper deck transport non-paper rolls of paper?
      2. vilenich
        vilenich April 8 2013 15: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: aksakal
        Well, just a little troll amers on this topic

        Yes, it probably won’t stop muscles from playing!
      3. Krapovy32
        Krapovy32 April 8 2013 15: 27 New
        +4
        aksakal

        It was necessary to fly past them throwing plush toys on them yes That would be citizens s not spoiled laughing
        1. Bekzat
          Bekzat April 10 2013 11: 33 New
          +1
          Greetings to all, for Krapovoy32, thank you, laughed laughing
  7. Melchakov
    Melchakov April 8 2013 13: 36 New
    +1
    Something recently often began to repeat articles. what
  8. Logician
    Logician April 8 2013 13: 46 New
    +2
    that is, we carried out this "bombing" during their full combat readiness?
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 8 2013 20: 41 New
      +1
      I realized that YES. No, of course, ours can also be taken aback, but still it’s especially nice here
  9. bord731
    bord731 April 8 2013 13: 48 New
    +1
    Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney. - You need to understand that they look at the "reboot" not like us.
    General, let's call a spade a spade - not a "reboot" - but an OVERLOAD ... As you call a boat, it will float ...
  10. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 8 2013 13: 49 New
    +1
    ))))) A retired general issued a “pearl”. Probably I learned from Eun!)))))))
    1. SSR
      SSR April 8 2013 14: 06 New
      +3
      “Russia continues aggressive offensive exercises in the Pacific against the United States and its allies,” says retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney. - You need to understand that they look at the "reboot" not like us.

      Really Pearl)))
      But they are all vector people .. and everyone gives out their pearl ..
  11. Logician
    Logician April 8 2013 14: 06 New
    +1
    as they say obosratushki-pryatryushki !!! laughing
  12. vmnss
    vmnss April 8 2013 14: 08 New
    +4
    How long has the Tu-22M become strategic?
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 8 2013 20: 42 New
      +1
      In general, let’s say this, he ceased to be it when they cut down the dose adjustment system ((
  13. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 8 2013 14: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: vmnss
    How long has the Tu-22M become strategic?

    From this morning.
  14. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 8 2013 14: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: vmnss
    How long has the Tu-22M become strategic?

    From this morning.
  15. 1976AG
    1976AG April 8 2013 14: 26 New
    +2
    Another thing is interesting. What is the likelihood that the Tu-22M3 will be able to really deliver such attacks, given that even in Georgia it was shot down?
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 April 8 2013 14: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: 1976AG
      that even in Georgia was shot down?

      Yes, even Macedonia or Albania ..... if there is an air defense system and trained people, then you can’t do without losses in the air (unless of course you destroy super precision bombs or missiles, or with a sabotage group.) The percentage of losses is even put into the exercises.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG April 8 2013 15: 12 New
        +1
        Percent loss? If Georgia’s air defense was shot down, then it seems that not a single one will break through NATO’s air defense.
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 April 8 2013 15: 29 New
          +3
          Quote: 1976AG
          then it seems like no one will break through NATO’s air defense.

          God forbid, bring the situation to such an extent that it breaks through NATO air defense, and yes, if a situation like this happens, then most likely the NATO air force will break through Russia’s air defense, rather than vice versa sad
  16. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 8 2013 14: 30 New
    +3
    We must also "screech" smile raise, for example: regarding the exercises of the Georgian army - they rehearse a blow to Moscow or interpret the increase in the military budget of the Baltic states as preparation for the capture of the Pskov region. Let them make excuses. Although they c ... s in the eye, everything is "God's dew."
    But seriously - everything is correct. Sweat is better than blood. The readiness of the Armed Forces should be such that any aggressor, even more powerful, having estimated the possible results, immediately abandons the desire to stick to someone else’s pie.
  17. zao74
    zao74 April 8 2013 14: 31 New
    0
    Yes, what are they pissed off. Discussed at each of our teachings.
    1. serzhserzh86
      serzhserzh86 April 8 2013 14: 55 New
      0
      to the joy of the proctel and gamble company with their diapers ...
    2. patsantre
      patsantre April 8 2013 15: 26 New
      +1
      Yes, they are not pissed off, but you are the standard of naivety.
  18. Gunner
    Gunner April 8 2013 14: 53 New
    +2
    And when did the Tu-22M become a strategic bomber? The article is unprofessional.
  19. Canep
    Canep April 8 2013 14: 58 New
    +2
    If the Tu-22 really simulated attacks on missile defense bases and ships, then the Americans are silent about it and not screaming all over the world. Because it turns out their missile defense is not able to respond to the plane, because they needed to collect and analyze intelligence. data to establish the fact of simulated attacks. And if there wasn’t any imitation, then there shouldn’t be any conversations. The fact of this statement is another shot in the information war.
    In October 2000, on October 17, 2 Russian SU-24 reconnaissance aircraft were photographed by the American Kitty Hawk strike peacekeeper with such detail that welds were visible on his deck, not to mention the admiral resting in a chaise lounge. One of the aircraft even made an imitation landing. And our pilots sent pictures to the site of this carrier of democracy with untranslatable expressions. So about this Americans are not much spread.
    1. Manager
      Manager April 8 2013 15: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      If the Tu-22 really simulated attacks on missile defense bases and ships, then the Americans are silent about it and not screaming all over the world. Because it turns out their missile defense is not able to respond to the plane, because they needed to collect and analyze intelligence. data to establish the fact of simulated attacks.


      TU 22 could not do absolutely anything with a missile defense if he wanted to. Yes, and he is not a strategist (TU 22)
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 8 2013 15: 21 New
        0
        and who then? Front-line attack aircraft? and why can’t they destroy the missile defense? A supersonic long-range bomber-missile bomber ------ will it work like that?
      2. Army1
        Army1 April 8 2013 15: 33 New
        0
        According to Wikipedia, how else can
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5-15
      3. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 8 2013 21: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Manager
        TU 22 could not do absolutely anything with a missile defense if he wanted to. Yes, and he is not a strategist (TU 22)

        And on the ultra small? lol

        1. VAF
          VAF April 9 2013 01: 06 New
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          Quote: Ascetic
          And on the ultra small?



          Stanislav, these are the Volchars passages in Soltsy, it was beautiful .. it was real 8-10 meters, but nothing can be dropped from such a height (the X-22th has a drawdown after a cord 300-400 meters before the start engine enters the mode, well and bombs ... you understand ... even with TU it won’t work, but simply with a slowdown, it will jump like a frog or a pebble with a pancake and it will fly back into the bomb bay! "

          This film is completely .. how it prepared and went out .. without cuts. It is more interesting here, because clearly all the moments with missiles and in the ranks and under ... "control and escort"!

          [media=ТУ-22М3.%20ПОЛЁТЫ%20НА%20ПМВ%20(%20ПРЕСТУПНО%20-%20МАЛОЙ%20ВЫСОТЕ%20)]
        2. VAF
          VAF April 9 2013 01: 10 New
          0
          Stanislav, these are the Volchars passages in Soltsy, it was beautiful .. it was real 8-10 meters, but nothing can be dropped from such a height (the X-22nd has a drawdown after a cord 300-400 meters before the start engine enters the mode, well and bombs ... you understand ... even with TU it won’t work, but simply with a slowdown, it will jump like a frog or a pebble with a pancake and it will fly back into the bomb bay! "

          This film is completely .. how it prepared and went out .. without cuts. It is more interesting here, because clearly all the moments with missiles and in the ranks and under ... "control and escort"!

        3. VAF
          VAF April 9 2013 01: 15 New
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          [media=http://video.yandex.ru/#search?text=Ютуб%20Ту-22М3%20полёты%20на%20ПМВ%20
          (crime-low% 20 high) & filmId = 269CTQoc8gE]
    2. Atrix
      Atrix April 8 2013 20: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Canep
      In October 2000, on October 17, two Russian SU-2 reconnaissance aircraft were photographed for the American Kitty Hawk strike peacekeeper

      And so what ? If it had a combat alert and all the planes were raised, and Su 24 broke through, then I understand that it was damn hard to do. And there is nothing outstanding to fly over a peacefully marching aircraft carrier in peacetime, something that fellows found.
    3. stjrm
      stjrm April 10 2013 12: 32 New
      0
      SW Saner! According to the signed agreements between us and the Americans, even in the 70s, the agreement "On measures to prevent ..... at sea ..." Sorry, I don’t remember the full name .... It is forbidden for aircraft to go down while passing over ships below 600 meters, hover over the deck, simulate an attack, cross the ship in close proximity at low altitudes ... and there it is ...
      If, as you say, there would be an emulation of a landing or something like that, I assure you that there would always be a note of their State Department to our Foreign Ministry .... smile

      Well, the fact that they took place in the immediate vicinity of the aircraft carrier took pictures, even the fact that the Americans seemed to have missed the approach of air reconnaissance - maybe .....
  20. Romch
    Romch April 8 2013 14: 59 New
    0
    Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney. - You need to understand that they look at the "reboot" not like us. They perceived it as a return to the former status of a superpower, as under the USSR, and our administration is striving for unilateral disarmament ”

    You need to call a spade a spade, “we have run out of money and the budget is bursting at the seams, the dollar is just a piece of paper we can’t compete with anymore” So it should sound, otherwise it’s healing about a reboot.
  21. ABV
    ABV April 8 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    what a news! super! the news, of course, is good, it’s been going on for 3 days all over the Internet ...
    with the efficiency of US fans of the site!
    this is not trolling, this is sadness ...
  22. shinobi
    shinobi April 8 2013 15: 14 New
    0
    It was a hint. Such a thick hint. The Kh-55 is certainly good, but the RF has a cooler device. And when the generals are asked what we can counter a potential adversary, these generals begin to bitterly complain about underfunding and other things, but at the same time In general, I personally had the impression that recently, when the military began to sob about a lack of weapons, this suggests that there was a new deadly toy to play with very well. Actually, Mr. GDP once proclaimed the concept of asymmetric answers. As noted one of the respected members of the forum Iskander missiles can not be reached everywhere, and I completely agree. But I draw his attention to the Russian club K complex and its derivatives, which just easily solve the problems of hacking any missile defense and not only. But this is my personal opinion and not fact that true.
  23. smsk
    smsk April 8 2013 15: 52 New
    +1
    In general, where is the infa from? Is there evidence from official sources?
  24. LeXXSkAt
    LeXXSkAt April 8 2013 16: 25 New
    0
    Well, I took this Old from Interfax, after googling North American news. Here is my link http://www.interfax.ru/world/news.asp?id=299846
  25. irka_65. irina
    irka_65. irina April 8 2013 16: 44 New
    0
    lol Well, nothing, it’s useful to pee amers and boiling water, otherwise they feel very invincible.
  26. e-froloff
    e-froloff April 8 2013 16: 51 New
    0
    There is nothing wrong with that. We need such teachings as air. Everything is within the bounds of generally accepted rules.
  27. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal April 8 2013 16: 52 New
    +4
    “Russia continues aggressive offensive exercises in the Pacific against the United States and its allies,” said retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney. - You need to understand that they look at the "reset" is not the way we do. They perceived it as the return of the former status of a superpower, as under the USSR, and our administration is striving for unilateral disarmament. ”


    - Is it really WE who are looking at a reboot not like us?
    - Is it WE DO NOT comply with all UN conventions?
    “Is it really WE putting missile defense systems near their borders?”
    - Is it really WE who are trying to constantly destabilize the political, economic and other situations in the USA and other countries?
    - Is it really WE trying to impose our policies on other states?
    - Is it WE arrange local conflicts around the globe?

    - Guys! I can not vouch for myself, in which case =))
    - You always give such teachings !!!
  28. WS
    WS April 8 2013 17: 07 New
    +3
    Study, study and study again ! Let them practice.
  29. redwar6
    redwar6 April 8 2013 18: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: LaGlobal
    “Russia continues aggressive offensive exercises in the Pacific against the United States and its allies,” said retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney. - You need to understand that they look at the "reset" is not the way we do. They perceived it as the return of the former status of a superpower, as under the USSR, and our administration is striving for unilateral disarmament. ”


    - Is it really WE who are looking at a reboot not like us?
    - Is it WE DO NOT comply with all UN conventions?
    “Is it really WE putting missile defense systems near their borders?”
    - Is it really WE who are trying to constantly destabilize the political, economic and other situations in the USA and other countries?
    - Is it really WE trying to impose our policies on other states?
    - Is it WE arrange local conflicts around the globe?

    - Guys! I can not vouch for myself, in which case =))
    - You always give such teachings !!!
    I totally agree, it's never too late to learn!)
  30. gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 8 2013 19: 17 New
    +2
    But would it be interesting in a real war that the American missile defense would allow delivering a real, rather than training, strike by enemy planes in its system? Would you be able to fly these planes at least to the range of their missiles? After all, you can imitate anything, and then laugh wildly at the "stupid Americans". He himself somehow participated in simulating an enemy air attack on an 81 West exercise and observed the dashing actions of real fighter aircraft and air defense systems to repel this simulated raid. Already trembling took. True, it was noticed that the 3 / 4 / control systems for air defense and air defense units simply “hung” at the most interesting moment and the control of air force and air defense units was carried out by voice communication on the basis of the “hear-control” principle. To see it did not work. So imitation is, of course, a good thing, so that the enemy doesn’t click and vigil in vain, you know. Still to be ready for real. Of course, I wildly apologize for some negative of my comment, but it’s better to negate now, and then positive, than vice versa
    1. Atrix
      Atrix April 8 2013 20: 31 New
      0
      Quote: gregor6549
      But would it be interesting in a real war that the American missile defense would allow delivering a real, rather than training, strike by enemy planes in its system?

      You big + All of these imitations are complete nonsense. I also want to imagine how the Tu-22M passes air defense and enemy fighters, when the Avax (track everything in a radius of 400 km) in the air or what they have there in service to control airspace, I think there will be a sad outcome for this venture (
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 April 9 2013 09: 06 New
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        In addition to AWACS, the United States and its allies have a host of other means of early detection and warning of an air attack, including over-the-horizon radars, satellite detection systems, fighter radars capable of exchanging data on the network, and much more, which allows Americans to build a multi-layer air defense / missile defense system and move the boundaries of interception at a considerable distance from the protected objects. So, for the AUG, such lines can be extended to a distance of 1500 km or more from the AUG core (aircraft carrier). In addition, it is necessary to distinguish between the degree of readiness of air defense and missile defense systems in peacetime and in a threatened or military period. An example of this is the current events on the Korean peninsula, when even the not entirely well-founded threats of North Korea to deliver a nuclear strike on US military bases in the Pacific region "put on the ears" all those involved in US air defense and missile defense and their allies in the region. You can recall the recent conflict between Israel and the Palestinians from the Gaza Strip, when all the air defense and missile defense systems of Israel were in a state of full combat readiness and, in principle, coped with their task quite decently.
        And the detection, tracking and interception of small targets such as Katyusha shells is still a much more difficult task for air defense / missile defense than intercepting strategic bombers with a full load. You can also give other examples of how both American and Soviet warriors fooled each other and what came of it. And it came out differently and with varying success. It came to the "ramming" attacks of the USSR nuclear submarines on the US aircraft carrier due to the mutual disorder of their crews. They are people and people in Africa, and it will be difficult for them to “watch” all the time. According to my observations, a person is only enough for a couple of hours of intense "bedezh" after which he is drawn to sleep or to beer with cigarettes. And automation is not yet fully able to replace a person in air defense / missile defense systems, and they do not allow this replacement. Decisions at all stages of the detection, tracking and interception of air targets in such systems are made by a person. This is an axiom. Deviation from this rule of death is like
    2. Don
      Don April 10 2013 13: 17 New
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      Quote: gregor6549
      But would it be interesting in a real war that the American missile defense would allow delivering a real, rather than training, strike by enemy planes in its system? Would you be able to fly these planes at least to the range of their missiles?

      If you mean the attack of a missile cruiser of the type "Ticonderoga" or "Arly Burke" then you really could, in principle, as well as missile defense in Poland. Only with accompaniment.
  31. SVL23
    SVL23 April 8 2013 20: 33 New
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    A bit of humor
    This story happened during the time of the ardent friendship of the USSR and Cuba.
    Then, our long-range strategic Tu-95 bombers regularly circled around Cuba and did aerial photography of everything that is possible, and what is impossible, too. By the way, the Americans in this area kept their warships, including several aircraft carriers.
    So, one Tu-95 flies over the ocean (By the way, who does not know what the Tu-95 is: it is a huge colossus, with a wingspan of about 50 meters - wider than the deck of an aircraft carrier, with 4-healthy engines and 8-th 3-meter screws), flies nobody touches, and an American interceptor flies up to him from the side (just at the Tu-95 course there was a state aircraft carrier).
    The pilot showed the signs “open the bomb gate” (you never know, suddenly there is a bomb near the carcass and he flies to sink his airfield). Our pilots opened him a bomb gate. The pilot flew up from below, seeing that there was nothing there except for the camera, calmed down. Again, catching up with the carcass, he smiled, winked, and then showed the belly of his plane along with air-to-air missiles, to which the carcass menacingly turned its 8 guns (exchange of courtesies, so to speak). But the pilot did not calm down and decided to joke - he showed the command "Sit down!".
    Our asked again:
    “Sit down ?!”
    - “Yes!”
    - “to an aircraft carrier ?!”
    - “Yes!”
    “Ok,” the Russians said, and on approaching the aircraft carrier they went to land ...
    But how did they go on landing ... ..
    Reduced altitude and speed ... put forward all their flaps and slats .... They lifted their nose ....
    They even released the chassis !!!
    So the American sailors, seeing that now this colossus will sit on them and leave the deck from the deck, planes, people and buildings, started to jump into the water !! And the height is unpleasant - from about 9-story building. Ours of course did not sit down, and at the last moment turned to the side and flew at the minimum height to hide from enemy locators.
    1. Army1
      Army1 April 8 2013 21: 03 New
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      Hurray to our pilots!
    2. mamba
      mamba April 9 2013 10: 13 New
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      Quote: SVL23
      But how did they go on landing ... ..
      Reduced altitude and speed ... put forward all their flaps and slats .... They lifted their nose ....
      They even released the chassis !!!

      Like this:

      But aerial hooliganism sometimes ends badly:
    3. gregor6549
      gregor6549 April 10 2013 06: 10 New
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      Good joke. But this could not be by definition because outside the borders of the US airspace or their bases in other countries, American pilots did not have the right to force other people's aircraft to land. Fly close please. Show your weapons as much as you want but no more. because during such “joint flights” everyone tried not to cross a line beyond which a very real, rather than imitated, battle could ensue followed by an escalation before a full-scale war. Especially if the attack was simulated on a nuclear weapon which was the TU95. Well, the invitation to board the aircraft carrier and the acceptance of such an invitation testifies to the complete moronism of both the American and Soviet pilots, but they did not suffer from it then and are unlikely to suffer now. Well, the last. Even if the TU95 went on landing, it would hardly have reached the take-off landing deck, as aircraft carriers and other warships have the so-called "NO GO" zone, the violation of the borders of which is considered as an attack, followed by the immediate use of all possible weapons. And there are more than enough of them both for the aircraft carrier and for the ships accompanying it, especially against such a "fat" and low-speed "carcass" which only the lazy one will not get into when landing.
  32. demon
    demon April 9 2013 09: 27 New
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    Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!
  33. stjrm
    stjrm April 10 2013 12: 12 New
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    Yeah, but Washington conditionally repelled these same blows ....... smile
  34. Stalinist
    Stalinist April 16 2013 12: 11 New
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    All points on the “I” are already placed and we need to learn to smile dazzlingly (and more often am ) Yankees with a decent club behind their back so that diarrhea becomes chronic.
  35. WOTP
    WOTP April 18 2013 19: 25 New
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    Quote: evgenii67
    Quote: 1976AG
    then it seems like no one will break through NATO’s air defense.

    God forbid, bring the situation to such an extent that it breaks through NATO air defense, and yes, if a situation like this happens, then most likely the NATO air force will break through Russia’s air defense, rather than vice versa sad

    Quote: iblis
    Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!

    Amateurs, stop writing nonsense! ...