How to Defeat Nazism with One Question

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How to Defeat Nazism with One Question

Not long ago the question was raised again about the absurd prohibition, that is, punishment for propaganda or public display of Nazi symbols. The list of cases of application of this law includes patriotic performances in schools and publication of archival photographs. Incidentally, this law has already led to the mass destruction of these very archival photographs, which can be considered a large-scale falsification stories.

But that's not even the point.



Such a law is, in essence, a complete capitulation of the state in the ideological struggle with this very Nazism. In the event that the ideological battle is won and Nazism is ideologically defeated, then the interest in it, which is precisely what causes propaganda and the publication of symbols, quickly fades. This topic becomes the property of a rather narrow circle of historians.

Well, for example, would the publication of symbols of, say, Napoleon's army, the monogram of Napoleon I or his portrait cause a public outcry? It is absolutely obvious that it will not.


Doesn't this image evoke shock, anger, hatred?..

This is so because even in those days everything that Napoleon tried to bring to Russia on his bayonets was categorically rejected by Russian society: both by the nobility and by the common people. The topic was closed, and we do not even study it due to lack of interest. For the same reason, symbols of the Napoleonic empire and army are not promoted, published, manufactured or distributed.

This was not the case with German Nazism and its successors. From this point of view, the banning law is nothing more than an imitation of an ideological victory, its external sign, introduced in some hope that people will forget about it, or something... At the same time, the law itself does not completely eradicate Nazism. It is not so difficult to find numerous closed communities where there is so much of this symbolism that it is shocking to those unfamiliar with it. Lovers of Nazi symbols will survive the period of persecution in the underground just fine, and then come out into the light as soon as the circumstances change.

By the way, it should be recalled that there were also fans and supporters of German Nazism in the USSR with its harsh ideological brainwashing of the population. If 50 years of almost daily political brainwashing did not put an end to them, then how can one hope that a ban on displaying symbols will eradicate them?

"Short circuit in the brain"


The most striking thing about this story is that the ideological defeat in the fight against Nazism occurred under conditions when it was almost impossible not to win. The point is that in order to topple Nazism, neo-Nazism and all its other varieties that have their origins in German Nazism, you only need to ask one question: "If the Nazis were so great, why did they suffer such a crushing defeat?"

Any answer to it from the Nazi side means the collapse of his worldview. Either he will have to admit that the Nazis were not at all remarkable, and then the question of the advisability of following such an ideology inevitably arises. Or it will be hysteria caused by an insurmountable contradiction between the worldview and reality. This kind of hysteria, caused by an irresistible argument, is what I sometimes call a "short circuit in the brain." Click, and smoke goes up in smoke.

But these are only the initial external effects. The question requires an answer, and this answer is the ideological destruction of Nazism as an idea and ideology. As we know, the German Nazis were very strong, very sharp, had many advantages, but were completely defeated. It is not surprising, one country will not be able to fight the whole world. Not only the largest and most powerful powers - the USSR, the USA, Great Britain - but also almost all the independent countries of the world at that time came out against Germany. By May 1945, 54 countries declared war on the "Axis". They had too many enemies.

Why did this happen? Because what the German Nazis were carrying was absolutely unacceptable to everyone, and this unacceptability was rooted in the Nazi ideology itself, specifically in the ideas of German exceptionalism and “blood and soil,” from which it followed that no people could get along with them.

This was a characteristic feature of the Nazis, in whose worldview other nations with their needs and rights were completely absent. Their ideology had no doctrinal provisions from which one could derive some kind of program in relation to other nations, even in the format of "kulturträgerstvo". Of course, during the war the Nazis had to invent something, especially in the department of Alfred Rosenberg, but these constructs did not fit with the Nazi doctrine and contradicted it. The Nazis, who initially acted through disinformation, did not particularly care about this.

This was what worried everyone else. As soon as the population of the occupied territories became more familiar with Nazism, the question of struggle arose. It would be possible to study in detail the development of occupation propaganda and compare it with the growth of acts of resistance in various forms, and thus understand when and how the Nazis alienated the occupied population; in different countries it was slightly different. But this is impossible, it is prohibited as sedition and a politically dangerous topic.

Because resistance is also an exchange of information, not only in the format of posting Sovinformburo reports, but also in the format of reports on the atrocities of German troops and occupation authorities. Information about the Nazi "new order" leaked behind the front lines and gradually found its way into the newspapers of non-belligerent and neutral countries. That is how the whole world learned about it.


Pictures like these made many wonder if it was worth living under the Nazi regime, and whether they would be next.

It was on this basis that the general resistance to Nazism arose, which led to the military collapse of the Axis.

By the way, don't underestimate the exchange of information in wartime. I was once struck by the fact that one of Hong Kong's English-language newspapers in late November 1941 published an article about the feat of... Junior Lieutenant Viktor Talalikhin.

Thus, the reason for the defeat and fall of Nazism was their own ideology, in the chauvinism put at the forefront and brought to the extreme, which generally denied the rights of other peoples to exist. And this was an irremovable reason. If this extreme chauvinism is removed from Nazism, then all of Nazism disappears.

National disaster


Of course, I may be told that the Nazis supposedly did this for the Germans... Of course, this refers to the pre-war period, but the supporters of Nazism do not want to consider the war and its destructive results.

The Nazis did a lot for Germany. For example, 8,5 million killed in the armed forces alone. For a country that barely reached 1937 million people in total population before 70, this is a lot. About 30% of men. Until the prisoners returned, Germany probably did not have more than half of the male population. It was a major bloodletting.

Now the next question is foreign workers, of whom there were particularly many in Germany at the end of the war. This is usually considered from the point of view of the crimes of the Nazi regime, but for a supporter of Nazism we will offer another point of view to try: the Fuhrer takes, say, a purebred German from a peasant farm and sends him to fight in the East, where tank the caterpillars mix it with mud, and instead of it, in the same farm - a Pole, a Frenchman, an Italian. So what is this - population replacement? Then why are today's Nazis outraged by the Arabs, Turks and Africans in Germany? This policy was founded by their leader and idol.

It turns out to be absurd, even from the point of view of the Nazi racial theory. Since the Fuhrer killed more than 8 million purebred Germans, they had to be replaced, excuse me, with "subhumans". What, was that what they were aiming for?

Well, and so on, the little things: 66 cities burned and destroyed by bombing, occupation of the country, disarmament, division into two states for 40 years, construction of a wall in the middle of the capital.


Cologne in 1945. How much the Chancellor and Fuhrer of Germany has done for his people!.. There is no need to get into a war with the whole world!

The results of the war for Germany, and, as a consequence, the policies of the Nazis who started this war, cannot be defined as anything other than a national catastrophe. This is not news, this was also said by Walter Ulbricht and Wilhelm Pieck. For those who don't know, the first of them was the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED). In the Soviet occupation zone of Germany in 1946, German communists and German social democrats united into one party, and the Central Committee settled in the former Reichsbank building. The second was the first and only president of the GDR. By the way, he was a long-time communist, personally knew Liebknecht, Rosa Luxemburg and Lenin.

Hence the moral. You can get as high as you want on Nazi symbols, but you have to remember that Nazism in any form is a path to national catastrophe.

The Ukrainians tried it. Yes, that's where it leads.

On the foundation of fear


Finally, another important question: Nazism, which was based on intimidation, was, in essence, a mirror image of the fear that firmly possessed the Nazis.

The logic is very simple. Any politician, choosing the tools to achieve his goals, chooses the tools that he considers the most effective and efficient. This choice shows the influence of his own worldview, as well as the worldview of his supporters, with which they agree. The politician considers the political tool the most efficient because he believes that it would have the most efficient effect on him.

It turns out then that by choosing intimidation as a political tool, the Nazi himself is subject to this intimidation to the greatest degree, that is, he himself is overcome by fear.

Of course, no one will admit this, but if we assume that the internal drive of Nazism was the fear that was ingrained in the people who came to the Nazi party, then the phenomenon itself becomes much clearer.

All sorts of historical and psychological subtleties, interesting in themselves, should be considered another time. For our topic, it is important that the person who fell into Nazism was unable to cope with his fears, which is why he went looking for external means to muffle them.

This, by the way, means that in order to eradicate neo-Nazism in all its manifestations, not only arguments like those described above are required, but also a kind of psychotherapy that removes fears. This applies not only to Nazism, but also to all political ideas in which violence and intimidation play a large role. They are all built on fears in one way or another.

Well, as we see, it wasn't so difficult to ideologically overthrow Nazism and all its modern variants? All it took was a few well-known facts, a little logic and a bit of polemical impudence.
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  1. 14+
    2 June 2025 04: 50
    The most striking thing about this story is that the ideological defeat in the fight against Nazism occurred under conditions when it was almost impossible not to achieve victory.

    The author is wrong. Any country where nationalism flourishes automatically produces Nazis. If the idea is imposed on society that a certain nation is superior to others, then expect swastikas and sieg heels. Superiority may not be imposed directly, it is enough to broadcast about a special national soul that no one in the world understands and everyone admires. Or about the incredible work capacity of a certain nation, which turned the country into a world leader. And you can also say that people of a certain nation (usually newcomers) are stupid, ignorant and clearly of a lower order, which of course causes a feeling of superiority in people of the native nation, which is tied precisely to nationality, and not to the established social system that ensured this superiority.
    Therefore, the remedy proposed by the author does not work and will not work, because arguing with a believer is useless; he will not accept any arguments.
    1. -3
      2 June 2025 11: 57
      In this case, you have outlined the credo of ideological capitulation to the Nazis. laughing
      1. +2
        2 June 2025 12: 47
        Dear author! You wrote how many countries fought against the Nazis. But why didn't you write that fascism, which became the forerunner of Nazism, affected virtually all of Western Europe. Fascists even appeared in Britain. They (including the French and the Spanish) fought against our country. But the roots of evil were not completely torn out. Now the old evil has returned to Europe...
        1. -1
          2 June 2025 23: 29
          It is precisely because everyone was emotional, demonstrating their high moral standards, etc., instead of summing up and asking: “What have you achieved?”
          1. +1
            4 June 2025 08: 33
            It was not Germany that fought, but fascist Europe, because all European production was working for the Germans. And not all of it was done under duress.

            And besides, today's fascism-chauvenism is based not so much on nationality as on ideology. Today's uber-Men are some kind of pan-Europeans, bringing "universal human values" to the rest. And whoever does not want to accept these values ​​is not a human being, and humanitarian law does not apply to him...
      2. -1
        3 June 2025 03: 46
        Quote: wehr
        You have outlined the credo of ideological capitulation to the Nazis.

        What is capitulation? If people do not divide themselves by nations, then there will be no reason for Nazism. You suggest appealing to the reason of those who use it for other purposes.
        1. +2
          3 June 2025 07: 43
          Therefore, the remedy proposed by the author does not work and will not work, because arguing with a believer is useless; he will not accept any arguments.


          This is capitulation.
          It will be, it will be perceived, you just need to choose special arguments.
        2. +1
          5 June 2025 14: 35
          Hole puncher
          If people do not divide themselves by nations, then there will be no reason for Nazism
          A gross mistake! An attempt to sew panties onto slippers.
          Any person is constantly among a large group of people, which is called a nation. Representatives of one nation speak the same language, so they understand each other. They look at the world in approximately the same way, so they can interact. It cannot be otherwise. People live only within nations.
          An attempt to move to another nation is associated with colossal difficulties. At least because the language of this nation will never be native. Only children will be able to assimilate. People cannot live without nations.
          And that's very good! It provides cultural diversity. From my own experience, I can say that it's very interesting to learn other languages, try to speak them, travel to other countries and find out how people live there! That's great!
          The reasons for Nazism are completely different. I won't repeat myself - I wrote about it several times in other messages
      3. -1
        14 June 2025 09: 56
        The author did not notice an interesting thing - despite the existence of a ban on Nazi symbols, and the conclusions of the Nuremberg Tribunal, an organization openly operates in the Russian Federation that repeats the crime of Nazism - "assigning numbers to people". Which is recognized as criminal, along with forced medical actions on people.
        So the spirit of Nazism remains, only the symbolism has been defeated.
        The second problem is that, for example, Islamism is also a variant of Nazism, in which there are “superhumans” - the Islamists themselves, and “subhumans” - everyone else.
        But the ideology of “moral brotherhood,” that is, internationalism originating from the USSR, has also not yet led to anything good.
        And "multiculturalism" has also failed.
        It's just progress.
        1. kpd
          0
          16 October 2025 09: 28
          Excuse me, but could you explain how to use computer databases without assigning people these notorious "numbers"? This still applies to first, last, and middle names.
    2. +4
      3 June 2025 13: 56
      The author is completely out of the loop and does not understand the essence of Nazism. Nazism is an ideology and it cannot be defeated on the battlefield. Nazism is an ideology of national or racial superiority and discrimination by means of laws, state apparatus, media of one part of people over others. By what signs - it is of secondary importance. Where is the battlefield here?
      There is German Nazism, there is Jewish Nazism, Anglo-Saxon. And here we have white and black racism. How to fight them? How to win?
      The easiest thing to fight is Nazi symbols. But this is not a fight against Nazism.
      1. -1
        3 June 2025 14: 21
        What's "on topic"? Squealing something like: "It's useless to argue with them...", or what? laughing
        Cowardice and stupidity in one bottle.

        Nazism, as a policy for ensuring the future of any nation, has failed completely and caused far more damage than it promised to avoid.
        You have to be a complete idiot to not be able to explain this.
        1. 0
          3 June 2025 16: 46
          Quote: wehr
          You have to be a complete idiot to not be able to explain this.

          Are you out of order in your head or logic?...What and to whom can a cretin explain?
          Quote: wehr
          Nazism, as a policy for ensuring the future of any nation, has failed completely and caused far more damage than it promised to avoid.

          What did you mean?
          The ideology of Nazism did not go away after the Second World War. There are plenty of Nazis in any country to this day. The same Ukraine.
          Under the right conditions, they can again come to power, legally or illegally. For the idea, the ideology, has not disappeared and has not been defeated on the battlefield.
          1. -2
            3 June 2025 19: 26
            That's right! That's why many people, including you, say that you shouldn't argue with them, you shouldn't prove anything to them, because....
            So I wonder if you might secretly sympathize with the Nazis?
            1. +2
              4 June 2025 09: 44
              Which Nazis are you arguing with? Where?
              Only with imaginary ones. They don't read VO that way.
              The problem is that you are not arguing, but ranting, expounding incoherent nonsense at the level of a young man in his pubescent years. One aplomb and self-confidence with a complete lack of logic. As not only I, but also other readers of VO have pointed out to you.
              With one blow, with one question, Nazism can be defeated only by a pale youth with a gaze burning only in his immature consciousness. Which you have successfully demonstrated here.
              1. -1
                4 June 2025 12: 10
                Here. Everyone reads everyone. In Ukraine, there are definitely special people who read "VO" every day and report on the content. So we penetrate their consciousness. laughing
                The "blind transfer" method. You are so knowledgeable and advanced, I won't explain what it is. laughing
                I have been working on this issue for many years and have come to the conclusion that people who, like you, shout that "you can't argue" and "they won't hear you" actually don't know how to do it themselves, but by chance they have latched onto some budget for ideological struggle and really don't want to let go of the pacifier, while realizing that the effectiveness of their work is zero. Are you one of them by any chance?
                This could have been forgiven if it had not bordered on aiding the same Nazis. The people who blocked the discussion on the overthrow of the Ukrainian Nazis before the war, who did they turn out to be? Essentially, accomplices of these same Ukrainian nationalists.

                Who is telling me about the lack of logic, excuse me? The readers of VO? Are they the same ones who can't figure out basic concepts? laughing They got confused about a hundred years ago, and they still can’t unravel it, to the laughter of those same Nazis.
                Don't disgrace yourself, "mature-logical" ones, ... (an expressive expression banned by Roskomnadzor)! laughing
                1. 0
                  4 June 2025 13: 16
                  Quote: wehr
                  Are these the same ones who can't figure out basic concepts?

                  First of all, you yourself cannot understand the basic concepts.
                  I'll explain it on my fingers. There is a chair. And there is the idea of ​​a chair. A chair can be broken, burned, destroyed. The idea of ​​a chair cannot be destroyed. It lives forever.
                  Now you understand?
                  If not, I advise you to read Plato. If you have heard anything about him. It is never too late to fill in the gaps in knowledge.
                  1. -1
                    5 June 2025 12: 53
                    You have distinguished yourself! laughing For an accomplice to expound such high philosophy is the first time. You deserve your hryvnias. laughing

                    My article is like a warning on a power pole: "Don't climb! It will kill you!"
                2. 0
                  5 June 2025 14: 43
                  wehr
                  There are definitely special people in Ukraine who read "VO" every day and report on its content. So we penetrate their consciousness
                  Are you serious? laughing Why should they read "VO" at all? Is there some kind of intelligence information here? Is this where the overwhelming majority of Russians sit?

                  And even if they do read it, they will only laugh at your naivety... There are different concepts there: grandmas-grandmas-grandmas-...cool-cool-cool!

                  I have been dealing with this issue for many years.
                  I wonder what kind of one? Do you write articles for sites like VO? And why should we consider you an "expert on Nazism"???

                  blocked discussion on overthrow with Ukrainian Nazis
                  What is the meaning of this phrase? I can say for sure that the rules of the Russian language are definitely violated in it...
        2. 0
          5 June 2025 14: 36
          wehrThat's why the SVO is going on...
          Nazism, alas, was not defeated and continues to live and flourish.
          Only the German regime suffered defeat.
          The most important thing is that the idea did not fail...
  2. +2
    2 June 2025 05: 21
    The author should first define what "Nazism" is and how it differs from healthy nationalism. And in general, the word "nation" in many languages ​​has a slightly different meaning than in Russian. For example, the ancient Romans considered everyone to be barbarians and killing one of them was considered no more than killing a cockroach. Were the Romans Nazis? Or the American South before the Civil War? And the Mongols, who exterminated all Tatars, just because they were Tatars? Was Genghis Khan a Nazi? wink
    1. +4
      2 June 2025 05: 54
      I agree with Mikhail and Evgeniy!
      I'll add something from myself. From the article.
      By May 1945, 54 countries had declared war against the Axis. They had too many enemies.

      If the Axis powers had been one step away from victory, the picture would have been just the opposite!
    2. +8
      2 June 2025 06: 55
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      what is "nazism" and how is it different from healthy nationalism

      Nationalism is the basis of Nazism. You draw analogies with the ancient world where nations did not exist at all. There was no such definition. There were tribes, societies united by language or way of life and religion.
      The Romans are not a nation, they are a society united by the presence of Roman citizenship.
      The Mongols at that time were not a nation, just like the Tatars. The Tatars were a tribe and were no different from the Keraits or Naiman. There were no French or Italians before. Nationality is a fiction, there is a species of Homo sapiens, which, due to different climatic conditions, acquired different external differences and, due to the remoteness of its residence, acquired a certain dialect. Everything else is the levers of control of Homo sapiens.
      1. +2
        2 June 2025 08: 47
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote: Puncher
        Nationalism is the basis of Nazism.

        And Nazism is the basis of fascism.
        Let me give you the definitions of what is what:

        "National self-awareness - awareness of the originality (uniqueness) of their people (first of all, as a bearer of culture) and the differences of their culture from the cultures of other peoples, which also have originality and significance in the history of mankind common to all peoples.

        Nationalism this is the awareness of the unique identity of one’s people and their culture, combined with the denial, mostly thoughtless, of the uniqueness and significance for humanity and its future of other cultures and peoples, carrying them in the continuity of generations.

        Nazism- attempts to destroy other cultures and / or peoples that created them.
        This understanding of nationalism and Nazism means that they can exist in society both under a monarchy and under a republic (types of statehood), under a slave system, under feudalism, under capitalism, and under socialism (economic orders). Nationalism and Nazism can cover both individual groups of the population and spread to the whole society.

        Fascism - This is one of the types of culture of public self-government, possible only in a crowd-"elite" society. Fascism is one of the expressions of psychic Trotskyism.
        The essence of fascism as such, regardless of how you call it, what ideas it covers up and what methods it exercises power in society, in the active support by a crowd of “little people” - on the ideological conviction of themselves or lack of ideality based on animal-instinctive behavior - the system of abuse of power by the “elite” oligarchy, which:
        - represents unrighteousness as supposedly true “justice”, and on this basis, distorting the worldview of people, with all its power, cultivates unrighteousness in society, preventing people from becoming a person;
        - under various pretexts, with all the power at its disposal, it suppresses everyone and anyone who doubts the righteousness of itself and the policies it implements, and it also suppresses those whom it suspects of this."

        In our country, fascism is actively promoted by the Ilyin Center (a former active participant in the ideological apparatus of Goebbels, and then in Vlasov) under the leadership of Dugin...
        1. -3
          2 June 2025 13: 05
          Boris55
          Everything has been distorted. Healthy nationalism, without ideas of national superiority and xenophobia towards other nations, is a way for a nation to survive, especially in difficult conditions and in a hostile environment. Russian nationalism has been suppressed in every possible way, and we are chronically lacking it, especially now.

          Nationalism is not equal to Nazism at all! Nazism has defamed all the healthy ideas that were in nationalism.

          By the way, German Nazis suddenly included Tibetans, and even "necessary" blacks and Jews, among the "true Aryans"! (see the origin of the leaders of German Nazism).

          Dugin has long since changed his tune and is expressing quite sensible thoughts. As far as I understand, it is precisely the Russophobes who accuse him of Nazism.

          The problem with fascism is that it is a chameleon, an amoeba, which no one has yet managed to define clearly. Even its founder, Mussolini, could not clearly explain what it was. Italian fascism was simply Mussolini's plaything, and did not contain any special ideas.

          In fact, fascism is a form of dictatorship, where the interests of the people are nothing compared to the interests of the ruling dictatorship. To achieve their goals, the dictator and his entourage try to unify people, to fit them into one template. Ideally, if everyone wears a military uniform and marches under the command of leaders and micro-leaders. Any dissent is harshly suppressed. That is, ideally, fascism is a society turned into an army, with army methods of governance.

          But in reality, no "fascist regime" has been able to achieve such an ideal. And all of the above applies to a lot of political regimes.

          Moreover, the “achievement” of the beginning of the 21st century is liberal fascism, Islamic fascism and other LGBT fascisms
        2. -1
          3 June 2025 16: 59
          Quote: Boris55
          In our country, fascism is actively promoted by the Ilyin Center (a former active participant in the ideological apparatus of Goebbels, and then in Vlasov) under the leadership of Dugin...

          Do not smack nonsense. She is in pain.
          Ilyin was never on the staff of Goebbels and Vlasov.
          Dugin has nothing to do with the promotion of fascism in our country. There is not a single such fact.
      2. +1
        2 June 2025 10: 36
        Hole puncher, you haven't answered the main question, what is Nazism? Especially since in German these are the same concepts. And I don't agree with you about Rome. Only Latins by birth had citizenship in Rome and no one else. I mean the republic, not the empire, where any barbarian could get citizenship
        1. +2
          2 June 2025 13: 07
          In the United Arab Emirates, only Emirati Arabs by birth can obtain UAE citizenship, and no one else))
        2. -1
          2 June 2025 21: 48
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Puncher, you haven't answered the main question: what is Nazism?

          It is obvious that Nazism is when it is bad, and nationalism is when it is good. We fought against the bad Nazis, who killed Jews and experimented on Gypsies and Slavs. And on our side were the good Americans with their racial laws, experiments on blacks, who traded in the skulls of Japanese soldiers and collected necklaces from ears. The British and French, it seems, were doing less crazy things by that time. That is why it is difficult with definitions, they may not give you a green card later request
        3. +2
          2 June 2025 22: 06
          "didn't answer the main question, what is Nazism?" - when you encounter something vague or not completely defined, it makes sense to pay attention to its essence. The essence of fascism is the division of people into classes and the oppression of some people by others. The essence of Nazism is the division of people into classes based on the use of an ethnic criterion. The essence of nationalism is the division of people into classes based on a cultural-political criterion. That is, in essence, these are all ways of "divide and rule", no matter what noble clothes they dress up in.
          1. +1
            5 June 2025 10: 36
            And yes, and no. "Division of people into classes and oppression" was carried out in slavery, feudalism, and even more so in the capitalism that dominates today.
            Fascism is the subordination of individual citizens to the state, depriving them of their individuality. The leader (Fuhrer) makes decisions, and everyone is obliged to obey him. "Whoever is not all", we will punish. In essence, the state-army, where all citizens are soldiers.
            Nazism is fascism, where "citizen-soldiers" are "supermen" to whom people of other nations must submit.

            Nationalism is the recognition of the value of one's nation. Healthy nationalism is expressed in mutual support and assistance of representatives of one nation to each other. Unhealthy nationalism is the assertion of the superiority of one's nation over others.

            The problem lies precisely in the fact that there is no clear and specific definition of Nazism and fascism.
            1. 0
              5 June 2025 11: 04
              The lack of definitions is definitely not the biggest problem! laughing By the way, why not? There are. Yes, not all of them are correct and convenient, in modern times. For example, Dimitrov's definition was considered practically a standard during the USSR. Although, from a scientific point of view, it is, of course, difficult to consider it a strict definition.
              I repeat: if there is no clear understanding, it is advisable to pay attention to the essence. Fascist regimes were not only in Italy and Germany, so talking about the features of fascism only on their example is not entirely correct.
              Yes, the division of people was also inherent in other, earlier forms of governance. And it is not for nothing that Dimitrov calls fascism the most reactionary. That is, the essence remains the same - division, but new distinctive features are added. And they are precisely the criteria used for division. In general, the original term "fascism" is of Italian origin: fascismo, from the Latin fascis - "bundle, bunch". That is, there is a "bundle of our own" with their goals and interests, and "everyone else", whose fate is either to submit and follow the "elite" or to be rejected.
              Leaderism - yes, it can also be attributed to distinctive features, although it is not the main one.
              "Nationalism is the recognition of the value of one's nation" - well, this is precisely one of the noble clothes in which they try to dress Nazism. After all, in practice, how does one "recognize the value of one's nation"? Only by ignoring or downplaying the value of "others". Therefore, "healthy nationalism" is an oxymoron, a combination of the mutually exclusive. The same as "a smart (due to censorship blocking, say) fool" or "a healthy sick person".
              1. +2
                5 June 2025 11: 20
                Dimitrov's definition was considered the most correct in the USSR only for ideological reasons, and also because he managed to fight back brilliantly in court.

                But it did not reflect the essence. I repeat, in my opinion, fascism is the transformation of society into an army, with army rules. In the army, everything is unified and painted in one color. Everyone is obliged to obey the charter. There is a strict hierarchy of commanders and subordinates. A subordinate is obliged to carry out any order of the commander. If he does not agree, he must first carry it out, then he can appeal. This is written in the Charter. This concept has been developing for centuries and works perfectly in combat conditions.
                But fascism turns ordinary civil society into an "army". Pay attention to all the "Parteigenosse" and "Scharführers" at all levels. Everyone wears a military uniform and insignia. Those who disagree go to a camp where they are "re-educated through labor".
                Inevitably, above all this stands the commander-in-chief - he is also the leader and political instructor.

                Nazism is the idea of ​​the superiority of one nation over another. The extreme and most radical form of nationalism. And Nazism is best realized in a fascist state.

                Likewise, Islam or Christianity are not bad in themselves. But radical Islam leads to all sorts of "Islamic states" (banned in the Russian Federation). By the way, an Islamic state is quite Nazi and fascist. It is often considered as such.

                Christian radicalism once led to the Crusades and the Inquisition. And yes, a "Christian state" roughly analogous to ISIS does exist.

                Healthy nationalism is when representatives of one nation are proud of their people, do everything for its development and prosperity, and help each other. For example, look at how Jews help each other. And not only them. What's wrong with me being good enough to be Russian? And it doesn't mean that someone is worse. This is healthy nationalism. And what's wrong with that? But healthy nationalism also implies the unification of people of one nation against an enemy that threatens them.

                Have I made the concepts any clearer for you?
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                  5 June 2025 13: 31
                  Have I made the concepts any clearer for you?
                  Yes, your interpretation is quite clear. And I completely agree that fascism is a strict control of one's own population in the style of an army (or police), and that Nazism is an extreme manifestation of nationalism. Of course, some points remain debatable. For example, the assessment of what is good and what is bad. Any assessments are relative. Good and bad - for whom? "Islam or Christianity are not bad in themselves" - well, Nietzsche's teaching is simply wonderful in itself: to bring the development of an ordinary person to the capabilities of a superman! laughing The only question is what this translates into in practice and what means for achieving the goal “become good.”
                  In the same way, "healthy nationalism" is a spherical horse in a vacuum. Nationalism is a dynamic phenomenon. That is, it requires constant development and "raising the temperature". Otherwise, it simply ceases to be nationalism. There is not a single historical example where nationalism would stop at what it has achieved and say something like: "we have already taken enough care of ourselves, now let's take care of others." Nationalism always assumes that it is necessary to improve care for "our own", even if they are already doing well enough. "We must be better!" - to whom and what does nationalism prove in this case? Why "must"? How are others worse? And the given example with Israel - how Jews, helping each other, destroy Palestinians - is the most striking illustration of the fact that "healthy nationalism" does not exist in nature...
                  Well, about pride: of course, there is nothing wrong with a developed sense of self-identification. However, in the "Bible" pride is the most terrible mortal sin. I wonder why? wink Maybe because "You will know a man by his deeds" and not "You will know a man by his nationality"?
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                    5 June 2025 14: 03
                    BMP-2
                    some points remain debatable. For example, the assessment of what is good and what is bad. Good and bad - for whom?
                    That's right!
                    Here, like freedom, it is good only until the moment when it does not interfere with other people.
                    There are two political aspects - external and internal. Look, Franco was smart enough not to get involved in the Second World War - and his almost fascist regime survived until Franco's death. Surprisingly, shortly before his death, Franco summoned the future king Juan Carlos and set him the task of moving the country to constitutional democracy.
                    A fascist regime can exist in its own country as long as it doesn't interfere with its neighbors. Russia turned a blind eye to the Nazis' advances in Ukraine until they started the war.
                    Internal aspect – fascism can suit the population of the country quite well if it conducts a thoughtful social policy. So what if everyone goes on command, and in military uniform, but at least they are well-fed and shod. But… There are so many “buts” here that a separate article needs to be written. First of all, such a fascist country has no prospects. And a trickle of fugitives will flow from there.
                    Nietzsche's teaching...: to bring the development of the common man to the capabilities of the superman! The only question is what this results in in practice
                    Here I disagree. Nietzsche originally meant not a "person with superpowers", but one who does not care about others. The idea of ​​exclusivity and contempt for the "lower" was laid down. That is why his teaching appealed to the Nazis.
                    Nationalism is a dynamic phenomenon… it requires constant development and “raising the temperature”. There is not a single historical example where nationalism stopped and said: “we have already taken enough care of ourselves, now let’s take care of others”. Nationalism always assumes that we need to improve care for “our own”, even if they are already doing well enough
                    Firstly, it is never perfect... Secondly, only the strong can really take care of others. The "weak" simply have neither the will nor the resources for such care.
                    When I served in the Soviet Army, I constantly observed how people from the Caucasus and Central Asia constantly helped their own. And that's why they were strong. For Russians, "compatriot" is only if you're from your own city. Russians rarely stuck together. And that's why they couldn't resist stronger... I won't use that word.
                    Although, in fact, Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs, Udmurts... yes, many others, actually form a large Russian super-ethnos. In the same army, I did not observe any special differences in mentality with the same Tatars.

                    We must be better
                    I didn't say that. I said that we should help each other so that our lives would be better. Well, here's a trivial question: if you have to choose, who should you help first - your neighbor, or the "starving" blacks in Africa? Of course, provided that the neighbor is "good" and "adequate"))))

                    example with Israel
                    One of the historical problems of the Jews is precisely the opposition of Jews to other nations. The idea of ​​the "chosen people" was invented by the Jews thousands of years before the death of the Jews.
                    Zionism is essentially Nazism. And Israel was initially created as a fascist state. Another issue is that the newcomers, the dominant Europeans, brought democracy and liberalism there. Therefore, a chimera emerged – a democracy for Jews, which mainly elects Nazi politicians.

                    However, in the "Bible"
                    Exclusively a historical monument. But more than a dubious book from a moral point of view. Just don't tell me about "millions all over the world". That's another, and also a very huge topic.

                    "You will know a man by his deeds" and not "You will know a man by his nationality"?
                    Without a doubt.
                    And finally. I once spoke to an Afghan war veteran from Samara. He is a retired colonel. He has an Asian Mongoloid appearance. His mother is Kazakh, his father is Belarusian. But he told me: "I am Russian, and I am proud of it."

                    Maybe it is precisely pride in one's nation, without any imposition of oneself on others, that is considered healthy nationalism? Vladimir, what do you think?
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                      5 June 2025 18: 09
                      Well, why "almost"? Franco's regime was fascist. As was Salazar's regime in neighboring Portugal. Another thing is that now they want to whitewash them, passing them off as "almost democratic".
                      As for the fact that a fascist regime can exist for as long as it wants within a single country, I disagree: both fascism and Nazism are expansionist regimes. That is, they can exist and provide some acceptable standard of living only through expansion. Why is that? Well, because the internal dissatisfied, at whose expense the primary redistribution of goods in favor of the "elite" occurs, very quickly run out, and there is a need for new "second-class people", slaves and resources. That is why there is not a single long-lived fascist regime in history. The record holder in this regard is the Portuguese one. But forty years by historical standards is just a moment.
                      It may seem surprising, but for most of its history, humanity existed without any aspirations for national self-identification (it was clear that there were more pressing and noble goals laughing ). German philosopher Johann Gottfried Herder (1744-1803) in his work "Ideas for the Philosophy of Human History" (1784-91) was one of the first to introduce the concept of a nation, arguing that "human societies naturally strive to form nations as the basis for their social structure." It is clear that this was done not because life was good, but in an attempt to explain the economic success of neighboring France. But then this theory, like a snowball rolling down a mountain, began to acquire clarifications and additions, which today focus on two points: ethnic and cultural-political. Does this mean that the naive theory of an envious German determined the feelings of most of the current population of the Earth? Well, generally speaking, no: it was simply helped to gain popularity, because, as it turned out, the idea of ​​​​nationality is essentially a reincarnation of the idea of ​​​​religion. The goal of religion has always been "to unite in order to rule." It's the same with a nation: at the initial stage, there is a consolidation "within" with a clear separation from everyone "outside". And this is extremely necessary precisely for subsequent expansion.
                      Regarding the "Bible" - well, yes, it is a historical monument. But I am not talking about the entire text, but only about one specific thought. And if the thought is correct - what difference does it make where and when it was written? You would not reject Archimedes' law or Pythagoras' theorem just because they are also historical monuments, and were created by people who, by today's standards, were mainly creators of errors?
                      Well, as for your friend from Samara - doesn't this example show that nationality is absolutely unimportant to him, and what is important is what he defended in the war: those values, those ideas of justice, correctness, which he designates for himself by the concept of "Russian"? After all, he didn't say that it is the Russian nation that needs to be taken care of, and let the Kazakhs, Belarusians and Mongols take care of themselves? wink
        4. +1
          3 June 2025 04: 00
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Puncher, you haven't answered the main question: what is Nazism?

          The superiority of a nation over others and this superiority is by birth, not by achievements.
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Only Latins by birth had citizenship of Rome and no one else.

          And not only that. Citizenship could be obtained by adoption, liberation from slavery, or by a state act. Moreover, citizenship could be lost.
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          I mean a republic, not an empire.

          And that in the empire they divided Roman citizens into nations?
        5. +1
          3 June 2025 17: 01
          Talking about nationalism when nations have not yet formed is simply stupid. There were no nations in the times of Ancient Rome. They only emerged in bourgeois society in the 19th century.
      3. +1
        2 June 2025 16: 32
        Nationalism is not the same as Nazism.
        Nationalism is the integrity of the people

        Nation - from Latin - nation - people

        A nation is a community of people by language, faith, culture, and tradition.

        ...with the ancient world where nations did not exist at all.


        A nation is a people.
        But the peoples existed.

        The Romans are not a nation, they are a society united by the presence of Roman citizenship.


        The Romans are a people

        The Romans are a people who originated in the territory of the Apennine Peninsula, in the region of Latium.
        And since the people are a nation.
        So the Romans are a nation.


        There were no French or Italians before.


        So there were no people once either.
        The dinosaurs were running.

        Nationality is a fiction


        And?
        What's wrong with the existence of nations?


        there is a species Homo sapiens,


        Which is divided into subspecies / nations.

        Which, due to different climatic conditions, acquired different external differences


        Not quite.
        Each nation keeps its own set of mutations that make the nation individual.
        Each subspecies of Homo sapiens acquired its own set of mutations.
        For example
        Europeans acquired their mutations over the course of 7 thousand years.
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          3 June 2025 04: 11
          Quote from stelltok
          Nationalism is not the same as Nazism.

          Well, communism is not the same as socialism, but one cannot exist without the other.
          Quote from stelltok
          A nation is a people.
          But the peoples existed.

          This is what they decided now, but before that there was no people. There were clans and tribes, as well as subjects of some ruler, who could have been an outsider.
          Quote from stelltok
          So there were no people once either.

          We are discussing a topic that concerns humanity specifically.
          Quote from stelltok
          What's wrong with the existence of nations?

          It's nothing.
          Quote from stelltok
          Which is divided into subspecies / nations.

          There are no subspecies, all subspecies like Denisovans or others died out and did not survive to this day.
          Quote from stelltok
          Each nation keeps its own set of mutations that make the nation individual.

          All people have a set of some mutations and nationality does not affect their set. The area, climate, and nutrition affect them.
          1. +2
            3 June 2025 08: 22

            That's what they decided now,


            So we live in the 21st century after all.

            and before that there was no people. There were clans and tribes,


            People - from the word - our Family.

            There are no subspecies,


            Is.
            From a genetic point of view, Homo sapiens is divided into subspecies - haplogroups and subclades.
            These are the subspecies.

            all subspecies of the Denisovan type


            You don't understand well because you have a narrow outlook.

            Denisovans are not a subspecies.
            Denisovans are a separate species.
            Denisovans do not belong to the species Homo sapiens.
            Learn the mat part.

            All people carry a set of some mutations and nationality does not affect their set in any way.


            Substitution of concepts.
            Russian people have their own haplogroups and subclades.
            Asians have their own.
            And the carriers of their haplogroups and subclades have their own set of mutations.
            There is no need to make a substitution of concepts
          2. +1
            3 June 2025 17: 02
            Quote: Puncher
            Well, communism is not the same as socialism, but one cannot exist without the other.

            Have you seen communism and socialism?
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              5 June 2025 10: 39
              I saw socialism. Communism - I saw only the word in old books)))
    3. +5
      2 June 2025 08: 09
      Good morning!
      Nazism, like any variety of fascism, is not a formational substance, but a system of governance, with a certain ideological design. under capitalism or its formation (as in Romania or Hungary) with a clearly expressed terrorist orientation against class and ethnic "enemies".
      All the fascist leaders in different countries considered themselves to be the most “healthy nationalists.” am
      1. -1
        2 June 2025 10: 42
        Quote: Edward Vashchenko
        Nazism, like any form of fascism
        In this case, it would be more correct to say "national socialism", because "Nazism" is a word that arose in the Russian language to denote the ideology of national socialism itself. The word "Nazi" arose in the West as an abbreviation of the word "national socialism"
        1. +3
          2 June 2025 11: 55
          "national socialism" because "nazism"

          It is worth remembering that Hitler's party was also a "workers' party" laughing laughing laughing
          and the "labor" party is in power in England, and the late Zhirinovsky was the main "liberal" and "democrat" in the country, of course after Novodvorskaya laughing
          Words, just words, that do not change the essence of a phenomenon that in the Russian tradition is called “fascism”.
          P.S. I'm always touched by people who start a record: there were no fascists in Germany, there were Nazis or National Socialists, study history wassat

          hi
          1. -3
            2 June 2025 13: 18
            The Ghibli party was "workers'" because it recruited primarily representatives of the working class. Moreover, after Ghibli seized power in 1933, a mass of "communists" suddenly changed their colors to "Nazis".
            Zhirinovsky is quite a liberal and democrat (without quotation marks). What are the doubts?

            Nazism is fascism with elements of radical nationalism - no one has ever hidden this
          2. 0
            2 June 2025 16: 52
            Quote: Edward Vashchenko
            learn history
            Look up what borrowing is. In linguistics hi
            1. 0
              2 June 2025 17: 58
              Look up what borrowing is. In linguistics

              Yes, just like that good
              hi
        2. 0
          2 June 2025 13: 13
          Dutchman Michel
          The founders of "national socialism" (and this is not Hitler), indeed, were "socialists". But they very quickly moved away from "socialism". More precisely, "socialism" remained only for the top Nazis, and for the rank and file "Parteigenosse" only the "promise of socialism" remained.
          By the way, compare with Zionism...
          The abbreviation "Nazi" was invented by the Nazi stormtroopers themselves to distinguish them from "commies" (communists). In fact, National Socialism remained only in the name of Hitler's party and the loud speeches of its leaders. But in reality, Nazism became synonymous with National Socialism
      2. +4
        2 June 2025 11: 19
        Quote: Edward Vashchenko
        Nazism, like any variety of fascism, is not a formational substance, but a system of governance, with a certain ideological design. under capitalism or its formation (as in Romania or Hungary)

        Neither the Antonescu dictatorship in Romania, nor the similar Horthy dictatorship in Hungary had anything to do with the ideology of fascism - they were classic totalitarian regimes. If we talk about the fascists in these countries, then all the supporters Iron Guard in Romania were in prison, and those who managed to escape from Antonescu found refuge in socially close Italy, with Mussolini. Approximately the same thing happened in Hungary, where Horthy killed half of all the fascists from Crossed Arrows sent to prison, and shut the mouths of the other half. By the way, even the swastika was banned in Hungary... P.S. Later, when Horthy decided to leave the war and come to an agreement with the USSR, a coup took place in Hungary and those fascists you are talking about came to power. But that's a completely different story...
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          2 June 2025 13: 22
          Luminman
          You forget several well-known facts. About the atrocities against representatives of other nations, both Hungarians and Romanians on the Eastern Front, which even the Germans were shocked by. No less atrocities were committed in these countries.
          As for all the "internal squabbles" - this is a common thing for such regimes. Look at how the killer slaughtered the stormtroopers from the SA, to whom he owed a lot. Look at the squabbles in Ukraine. All this does not make the above-mentioned regimes "non-Nazi"
          1. +2
            3 June 2025 06: 12
            Quote: futurohunter
            You forget several well-known facts. About the atrocities against representatives of other nations, both Hungarians and Romanians on the Eastern Front, which even the Germans were shocked by.
            I don't forget anything, but I want to remind you of the genocide of the Tutsi people in Rwanda in 1994, the total extermination of their compatriots by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, etc. As you know, there was no hint of ideology there - just ordinary genocide...
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              5 June 2025 14: 11
              Look: African tribalism is a form of traditional African nationalism. Exactly, without any ideology. You see, they have been slaughtering and selling their neighbors into slavery for centuries. They are not used to it any other way. Where does Nazism come from?

              The Khmer Rouge - that was the Maoist ideology, reinterpreted by the mad Pol Pot. And they killed, as you rightly noted, their own compatriots. Rather, it is closer to some kind of village fascism. Closer, but it is neither fascism nor Nazism. Just a bloody dictatorship, of which there have been many in history.

              Genocide in itself does not speak of either fascism or Nazism. There are plenty of examples of "soft" fascist and even Nazi regimes. As well as bloody democracies.

              Let me emphasize once again: Nazism and fascism are too complex phenomena that have not been cured. Therefore, in order to fight them, you need to understand what they are. Otherwise, everything is in vain. Nazism has risen in Ukraine... In Germany, it has almost risen
      3. -1
        2 June 2025 13: 08
        Edward Vashchenko
        Nazism is primarily directed against "ethnic" enemies. Otherwise it is not Nazism. "Fascist leaders" can consider themselves whoever they want! Hitler, for example, considered himself a genius
        1. +2
          2 June 2025 13: 40
          Anatoly, you are seriously mistaken, all fascists came to power primarily in the fight against the "red plague" and the "liberal" connected with the "reds", whether Horthy, Hitler or Franco.
          If very primitively, Nazism or fascism - not because against other ethnic groups, but to provide economic opportunities and preferences to their own. The fact that class enemies turned out to be of the wrong nationality, just so happened. Just as the war was fought for resources, including methods of total destruction of those who possessed them.
          hi
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            4 June 2025 23: 47
            Edward,
            Your ideas are too simplistic. Namely, primitive ideas like "a fascist/Nazi is just a scoundrel and a villain" make it very difficult to fight the Nazi-fascist infection.

            all fascists came to power primarily in the fight against the "red plague"
            This is just a pretext. The "Reds" were simply rivals in the struggle for power. And in Spain, everyone distinguished themselves with atrocities, both the "Reds" and the "fascists". Even the "fascists" fought among themselves there.

            "liberal"
            This is a big misconception. Fascism is a direct product of Western liberalism. Look it up, there are many scientific works written on this topic. And yes, that same territory 404 is the kingdom of liberal Nazism.

            If we put it very simply, Nazism or fascism is not against other ethnic groups, but to provide economic opportunities and preferences for oneself.
            Another big mistake. Although most wars are fought for resources "for their own", not every aggressor is a Nazi.

            Fascism is the subordination of individuals to the state in the person of its leader (in short). Nazism is a further development of fascism, adding the selection of "our own" and the enslavement and destruction of "others". That's it, in short.

            The problem is that fascism and Nazism cannot be described in short phrases. It is a whole form of anti-life. Cannibalism with a philosophical justification.

            class enemies
            Nat/fascist is not about "class struggle" at all. There is no such thing in nat/fascist society. There you are either "one of our own", no matter what "class", or "another".
      4. 0
        5 June 2025 10: 45
        Fascism is a rather vague concept of a totalitarian "state-army". Even Mussolini, who coined the word, did not give a clear definition. Hannah Arendt and Umberto Eco listed only the signs of fascism, but they overdid it, and virtually any dictatorship falls under their signs. But a dictatorship is not necessarily fascist. Conventionally, some UAE is also a dictatorship, but there is no smell of fascism there. Yes, fascism is a system of governance, but the ideology there is very vague. Look for ideology in the same Mussolini... It is rather weak.

        Nazism is not a system of governance. It is an ideology that presupposes the existence of "supermen" of a certain nation and the enslavement of the rest of the "submen". The system of governance under Nazism is precisely fascism, with the addition of ideological structures (the party) and ideological police (the Gestapo)

        "Leaders" can consider themselves whoever they want... Moreover, not all "leaders" were "leaders". Most were just usurpers of power
    4. -1
      2 June 2025 12: 52
      Dutchman Michel
      You are confusing the Tatars with the Mongols for some reason... The Mongols were no more cruel than the Europeans of those times - read the bloody history of Europe. Unlike the Europeans, who destroyed "non-Christians" (and "heretic Christians" at the same time), the Mongols did not destroy people for religious reasons. A slight exception is the "yellow crusade", but, again, they destroyed mosques there, but did not kill people "for their faith".
      As for the Romans - well, yes, the seeds of fascism and Nazism were sown there... For example, the "Roman salute" was borrowed from there. But there was no ideology there.
      1. +2
        2 June 2025 17: 00
        Quote: futurohunter
        For some reason you are confusing Tatars with Mongols.
        I don't confuse anything or anyone. Genghis Khan destroyed them all, leaving only children :wink
        Quote: futurohunter
        For example, the "Roman salute" was borrowed from there. But there was no ideology there.
        Well, how could it not be? And the exclusivity of Rome chosen by the gods? And the bringing of light and culture to other peoples, of course, under Roman leadership (Pax Romana)?
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          4 June 2025 23: 54
          Dutchman Michel
          In Ancient Rome there was no more ideology than any tribal chieftain who shouts that his tribe is "the coolest of all." But that is not ideology.

          Ideology appears when:
          1. A detailed logical justification for the idea appears (philosophical work/code/holy book, etc.)
          2. Political institutions appear that develop and spread this ideology.
          3. The state (or the leaders of a group of people) carries out (1), using (2)

          Was it in Rome? Not at all!

          We can say that ideology appeared among the ancient Jews. But in reality, ideology appeared only when Christianity became the dominant religion in most of the ancient world, i.e., when the Roman Empire was living out its last centuries. And the state ideology of the Roman Empire was not the "pax romana" at all, but Christianity.
    5. +1
      2 June 2025 17: 03
      Well, in general, yes, this is exactly the same Nazism.
  3. +8
    2 June 2025 05: 53
    If the argument in the style of "if you're so smart, then why are you so poor" worked, then there would be no one yearning for the USSR. Why should the defeat of the Third Reich be more convincing than the collapse of the Soviet Union?
    1. -2
      2 June 2025 15: 43
      Because the Nazis held to their ideas until the very last moment and were broken by force of arms. They cannot be accused of cowardice, or hesitation, or anything else that led to the Soviet communists abandoning their ideology.
      If so, then the reason for the collapse of Nazism lies within itself.
      1. +2
        2 June 2025 18: 14
        Any neo-Nazi will say that most Aryans betrayed the interests of their race. Because their elites were bought by world Jewry. And the Germans did not drag them into one. And how will you convince him? And what is the reason for the communists' rejection of their ideology? The ideology itself has nothing to do with it?
      2. 0
        5 June 2025 10: 47
        The only reason Nazism collapsed was because it was defeated by a much greater force, the USSR and its allies. If the USSR had not existed, the world would have been Nazi.
  4. +8
    2 June 2025 07: 29
    There is only one question to ask: "If the Nazis were so wonderful, then why did they suffered such a crushing defeat? '.
    This question can be asked about all those who suffered a shortened defeat.
    1. 0
      5 June 2025 10: 48
      Exactly! Probably the first time I agreed with you 100%))
  5. +7
    2 June 2025 08: 06
    Doesn't this image evoke shock, anger, hatred?..

    It evokes completely different associations...
    1. +4
      2 June 2025 11: 24
      Quote from solar
      It evokes completely different associations...

      Или:
  6. +5
    2 June 2025 08: 25
    "If the Nazis were so great, why did they suffer such a crushing defeat?"

    But if you ask yourself another question - what if Hitler, instead of reaching an agreement with the USSR, had reached an agreement with Poland and England with France and attacked the USSR? What would have happened next?
    1. -2
      2 June 2025 09: 24
      The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

      Quote from solar
      What if Hitler, instead of reaching an agreement with the USSR, had reached an agreement with Poland and England and France and attacked the USSR?

      He "made a deal" not only with all of Europe but also with the USA and attacked the USSR.

      Quote from solar
      What would happen next?

      And then there was May 9, 1945.

      Yesterday at "Evening at Solovyov's" Simonyan raised the issue of teaching Russian history. I agree with her on this issue. In the US, they study the history of their own country from the first grade. Here, we study the history of everyone except the history of our own country...

      This is fertile soil for digging the Black Sea, Issyk-Kul, Baikal...
      1. 0
        5 June 2025 14: 19
        Boris55
        Here both you and Solar are wrong. Gibler had made an agreement with the USSR at first. And then he grossly violated his agreements. In essence, he betrayed his business partner.
        Although, it was clear to everyone that this would happen sooner or later. And respect to Stalin for delaying the inevitable war for at least a couple of years.

        He "made an agreement" not only with all of Europe but also with the USA.
        Not so. Although Europe was sick with fascism at that time, it conquered it first. And it very willingly began to work for it and even supply soldiers. Moreover, not only Hungary or Romania, but also "conquered" France or Norway.
        The USA... We didn't negotiate directly. Only on a business-to-business level. You forget that before the Second World War, the USA was sick with communism. For example, among the participants of that very Manhattan Project, there were many not just former, but also real communists!

        And then there was May 9, 1945.
        Exclusively because Russia became the USSR. Tsarist Russia would not have been able to cope...
        1. -1
          19 October 2025 11: 43
          Gibber initially reached an agreement with the USSR.

          Czechoslovakia 1938?
          And this is not counting other treaties that were prohibited by the Treaty of Versailles...
          1. 0
            20 October 2025 11: 38
            What's the point of this question? The USSR did not participate in the Munich Agreement, and, on the contrary, was categorically opposed. Moreover, the USSR offered assistance to Czechoslovakia, which was ruled by the Beneš government, which was friendly to us but, unfortunately, cowardly. And the Poles refused to allow our troops to pass through their territory.
            That we would have to fight Germany became clear even during the Spanish War. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact allowed us to at least somewhat delay the war when the USSR was unprepared. But what else could we do when Great Britain and France, despite their mutual obligations to the USSR, did nothing to stop the Nazis? And, conversely, were hatching plans for war with the USSR? Politics is the art of a very subtle game.
            Incidentally, pre-war cooperation with Germany even yielded certain benefits for the USSR. Firstly, we were familiar with German tanks and aircraft. Some technical solutions were even later used by our aircraft designers. Modern production equipment was purchased from Germany. And we even purchased a fully-fledged warship from the Germans, which later fired at the Germans.
            1. -1
              21 October 2025 13: 45
              К
              why this question

              К
              Gibber had initially reached an agreement with the USSR. And then he flagrantly violated his agreements. Essentially, he betrayed his business partner.

              If we count the non-aggression pact between the USSR and Germany, which Hitler agreed to, then what does Munich 38 count as? And that's not counting Germany's earlier pacts/treaties with other countries...
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                22 October 2025 01: 03
                It seems you were paid for a worthless topic, since you're crossing cucumbers with crocodiles.
                I remind the liberal/CIPSO agent of the difference between the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the Munich Agreement.
                1. In Munich, Hitler, along with the English and French, decided the fate of Czechoslovakia without its participation. Molotov and Ribbentrop essentially agreed not to fight each other for several years, but to cooperate.
                2. The British and French actively pushed the Nazis toward the USSR. They themselves hatched plans for war with them. The USSR didn't push anyone, but merely delayed the inevitable war, which became obvious after the Nazis came to power.
                3. In 1938 (the year of the Munich Agreement), the Nazis and French had ample opportunity to defeat the Nazis. The USSR, in 1939 (the year the Russia-Germany Pact was signed), no longer had such opportunities – the Nazis had already captured Austria and Czechoslovakia.
                4. When Chamberlain, heading the British delegation, returned from Munich, even Churchill said he brought "shame and war." Munich is a disgrace for Great Britain and France, one they will never be able to wash away. It's effectively capitulation. The pact with Germany was honorable and beneficial for the USSR—I've already written about that, so I won't repeat myself. I suggest the ignorant study history and stop playing empty and useless games.
                1. 0
                  22 October 2025 23: 52
                  Could you tell me the account where the money (that I was paid) is located?
                  However, there is an easier question, from the field of mathematics (since the chronology doesn’t reach you), at the same time we’ll learn about the ignoramuses
                  Which number is greater: "1938" or "1939"?
                  1. 0
                    23 October 2025 01: 20
                    The CIPSO guy is clearly up to something. You asked the question, so answer it yourself. And rejoice in your own "brilliance."
                    About the bill. Who, besides you and your employers, knows your bills?
                    And learn Russian.
                    1. 0
                      23 October 2025 22: 56
                      I wanted to test your knowledge of mathematics. Since we couldn't even agree on this issue, there's no point in arguing.
                      And here's the question: at school or at work, if someone disagrees with you, does he automatically become an enemy agent?
                      1. 0
                        24 October 2025 21: 48
                        I just didn't give you a chance to check anything with me.
                        am

                        And I constantly notice this thesis "if someone disagrees..." among liberals and foreign agents, or Russians who are actually anti-Russian.
                        Everyone's "handwriting" is the same. Like yours. Turning long-known facts inside out. I have no interest in discussing anything with virus-people, and it's pointless anyway.
                      2. 0
                        25 October 2025 00: 18
                        You just started turning inside out
                      3. 0
                        25 October 2025 15: 22
                        So what were you getting at? I still don't get it. Sometimes it's "mathematics," sometimes it's years, sometimes it's something else. What's your plan? And whose Crimea is it?
                      4. 0
                        25 October 2025 16: 09
                        So what were you getting at? I still don't get it. Sometimes it's "mathematics," sometimes it's years, sometimes it's something else. What's your plan? And whose Crimea is it?

                        The fact that you made a mistake, but do not notice it, and attempts to correct you are perceived with hostility and rejected outright.
                        I noticed. It's just that chronologically, Czechoslovakia (Munich) 1938 comes before the 1939 non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR. That's why there was a question about math, to see how you're doing with numbers. Clearly, not so much.
                        Correct you.
                        Russian (our)
                      5. 0
                        26 October 2025 01: 03
                        It's not clear what you're doing.

                        chronologically, Czechoslovakia (Munich) 1938 comes before the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR of 1939
                        You're reading this extremely inattentively. And, as far as I understand, you've already made up your mind before I even wrote it. So, I'll repeat part of my message:

                        3. In 1938 (the year of the Munich Agreement), the Nazis and French had ample opportunity to defeat the Nazis. The USSR, in 1939 (the year the Russia-Germany Pact was signed), no longer had such opportunities – the Nazis had already captured Austria and Czechoslovakia.


                        So there was a question about mathematics
                        All your math boils down to the square root of minus one.
                      6. +1
                        27 October 2025 23: 27
                        It seems I really didn't read carefully.
                        Gibber had initially reached an agreement with the USSR. And then he flagrantly violated his agreements.

                        и
                        3. In 1938 (the year of the Munich Agreement), the Nazis and French had ample opportunity to defeat the Nazis. The USSR, in 1939 (the year the Russia-Germany Pact was signed), no longer had such opportunities – the Nazis had already captured Austria and Czechoslovakia.
  7. +3
    2 June 2025 08: 41
    The author is gravely mistaken about the "harsh ideological processing in the USSR". In 1961, at the CPSU congress, the dictatorship of the proletariat was rejected. And only horns and legs remained from the ideology. Most Soviet propagandists were in fact anti-Soviet.
    1. -1
      2 June 2025 08: 50
      Anti-Sovietists are those who, for all 107 years of the Soviet and anti-Soviet periods, have been raging against everything Soviet, slandering the Soviet/communist, and instilling malice and hatred in their propaganda and ideology.
      And for their country and people, over all these 107 years, they have not had anything or anyone good.
  8. 0
    2 June 2025 09: 28
    if we assume that the internal drive of Nazism was fear

    not fear, but a feeling of national humiliation, which was played on well.
    In Germany it was inflated by the defeat in WWI, with the subsequent economic crisis. In Ukraine - by economic backwardness and low standard of living, compared to the EU. "Dignity" - that's what became the ticket to Nazism for most of the jumping.
    1. 0
      5 June 2025 14: 25
      Not only fear. Note that none of the countries with a high enough standard of living at that time became Nazi. Both Versailles Germany and country 404 became impoverished. And Nazism promised practically the only social lift to the top. Note that all these "stormtroopers" and "banderlogs" were from the margins. What did they have in life? Nothing! And in the Nazi parties they felt their "power", plus, they got the opportunity to make a career.
      You will probably say about the intelligentsia. Well, they also had a profit in the form of a career - to become various kinds of propagandists and "fuhrers".
      For some reason, those who write about Nazism and fascism never write about what I just said. "The superego of a little man." But both Gibbler and Mussolini understood this very well. Both were from the environment of such "little men."
  9. +7
    2 June 2025 09: 44
    Strange article, I still don’t understand, did we win or lose?
    Nazism is a very special case of chauvinism, which in turn stems from nationalism, which any nation has one way or another. Taken to the point of absurdity. Radical nationalism.
    So any idea, even a transnational one, such as Christianity or Islam, when brought to radicalism, turns into the Inquisition and Crusades, into Wahhabism, or, for example, into Pol Potism or a cultural revolution like Marxism in Cambodia or China.
    That is, it is precisely the extreme forms of any idea that are dangerous, including boundless liberal monetarism - they all always lead to war and destruction.
    And the worst thing about counter-propaganda of radicalism is to simply ban it without explaining anything, and when boring C-grade students come forward to the ideological front, not smart, not erudite, not witty, with a dull, lifeless eye, incapable of conducting a polemic, captivating attention, captivating and attracting without “I’ll ask in the office.”
    Against the background of such jumping on the square, shouting simple loud slogans "We are the power here!" or "Yu-shchenko!", marching at night with torches, especially financed and prepared by someone, a boring state propagandist, and even one who speaks poorly and lies, no matter for what reason, is simply defeated by a score of 20:0. We all know where the mass of youth and passionaries will go.
    And the balance is that those who did not go to the order should no longer be consoled, those first ones will then catch these second ones one by one and busify them, force them to die for their cocaine chimeras.
    1. -2
      2 June 2025 13: 31
      faterdom
      The article makes you think, and rightly so!
      Doesn't it seem strange to you that all these fascisms and nazisms appeared and grew up in the West? Although in Russia there were both the "Black Hundreds" and Blavatsky, who contributed their own to European nazism and fascism. But fascist and nazi ideas did not take root on Russian soil. And all the "Russian fascists" ended up in Europe, and fought on the side of the killer.
      And Nazism only gained a foothold in Ukraine when its leaders turned to the West? And even Russian Nazis left to fight "for Ukraine"?
      But the completely Western ideas of socialism and communism were realized in Russia!
      Don't you find this surprising?
      There are many scientific works that show that the highest point of Western civilization is precisely fascism. The highest point of Russian society is the social state (socialism and communism)
      1. 0
        2 June 2025 13: 47
        What you call "scientific works" are not such.
        Just as “Marx’s teaching is omnipotent because it is true” is not an axiom at all, and is unlikely to correspond to the truth at all.
        There is a suspicion, and a very well-founded one, that fascism is only an intermediate stage, like the slave system before it. To something more dense, sticky and all-encompassing on the part of the Power in relation to the plebs.
        A digital concentration camp where you can simply be erased from the machine's memory, and you will die of hunger and cold. If they decide that "it has to be that way", without explaining to whom it has to be done and why it has to be done.
        Or biological programming, the same vaccines with mRNA, where you are programmed for iron health during the working period, and a quick death after it is over. Like apoptosis in plants: winter has come, the leaves have died, voluntarily according to the program.
        And these will be Western actions, and Eastern ones, or Southern ones - what difference does it make?
        By the way, most of our household and production items, transport and even ideological ideas are Western, so what? Including Christianity, it is also Western in relation to us. But Islam, which comes from the same places, is southern and even eastern for us, we have had contact with it that way.
        1. -1
          5 June 2025 00: 02
          faterdom
          What you call "scientific works" are not such.
          And have you read them? Judging by your statements, you haven't even heard of their existence.

          There is a suspicion, and a very well-founded one, that fascism is only an intermediate stage.
          No, this is precisely the final stage of development of Western "civilization". Although there may be rollbacks to liberalism again, but then it will return to fascism again.

          Everything you write further about concentration camps and programming is fascism.

          Most of our items are...western
          Wrong judgment! International, both Western and Eastern! Learn history!

          Including Christianity, it is also Western in relation to us.
          Christianity itself is "Eastern". It appeared in the East. In Asia.

          Islam came from exactly the same places as Christianity. Both are varieties of Judaism adapted for other peoples. Christianity is for Europeans, Islam is for Arabs. And in Rus', they have been in contact with Muslims almost since their appearance.

          Learn history and cultural studies!
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        1. 0
          2 June 2025 17: 05
          I'll cut you off by giving you a minus: the English were the ones who did the most serious damage to themselves and each other, the nobles during the time of the Scarlet and White Roses, but during the bourgeois revolution and enclosure, they drove the peasants off their lands and then hanged them en masse for vagrancy.
          And the Germans during the Protestant Wars, after which the population remained about 30% of the original, both sides willingly robbed and burned the population of the German principalities. Not others, but their own.
          Having already trained in genocide of foreigners, both the English and the Germans are champions here.
          1. 0
            5 June 2025 17: 07
            I don't understand why you gave me the minus and what you responded to.
            The bloody history of Europe and early capitalism is well known. And, in fact, fascism is the highest and most extreme form of European civilization. An army-society under the leadership of capitalist "leaders". About the blood. Let me seem cynical, but blood was spilled:
            1. For entirely pragmatic reasons - to make opponents afraid
            2. Because from the point of view of a European, the enemy is generally a non-human (heretic, etc.)
            3. Judging by the public executions in the Middle Ages, Europeans enjoyed it - such a perverted show
            Nazism (once again I apologize for the cynicism) brought a certain wild aesthetic to the process of human murder.

            So Europe has been moving towards both fascism and Nazism for a long time. For centuries. Since the time of the Roman Empire. And only in the 20th century did various anti-human elements come together to form a fascist anti-civilization. Modern Western society is also becoming increasingly fascistized and Nazified. Only here we have "supermen" - the golden billion, and "untermenschen" - all the rest.
            1. 0
              5 June 2025 17: 17
              If you don't understand, then don't be eloquent.
              Responded to what was removed by the moderator.
  10. +4
    2 June 2025 09: 57
    The Soviet people understood from the tragedy of their country and people what Nazism and fascism are, and the enemies of the USSR simply stick these “labels” on those they are against.
    1. +2
      2 June 2025 10: 39
      The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

      Quote: tatra
      The Soviet people understood from the tragedy of their country and people what Nazism and fascism are...

      Yes, the generation of that war felt all the “charms” of fascism on their own skin, but they are not eternal...

      By banning Hitler's "Mein Kampf", we essentially banned the Soviet people from not only studying, but even becoming familiar with this ideology and its consequences...
      As a result we got skinheads, Ukraine...

      Today, the "blurring" of fascist symbols deprives us of the opportunity to recognize the enemy...
      1. -1
        2 June 2025 13: 37
        Boris55
        Meinkampf isn't exactly banned here. I saw it for sale in the 90s. And it's available on the Internet - search, download, read.
        The problem is not this at all. For decades we have been indoctrinated with the values ​​of consumerism, "cool" and rich life... And they continue to be indoctrinated...
        Against this background, "Nazis" are perceived by a significant part of the youth simply as some kind of subculture, like punks or metalheads. By the way, do not forget that a significant part of "Nazis" has always and everywhere been occupied by football fans (in Ukraine it also started with them)
    2. 0
      2 June 2025 13: 33
      tatra
      Irina, with all due respect to you, unfortunately, I don’t understand.
      After all, Ukrainians were also part of the Soviet people. And Uzbeks and Tajiks too.
      1. +1
        2 June 2025 13: 46
        The people of all 107 years of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods are divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet people, who are radically different in everything without exception. And these are not Soviet people after Gorbachev "liberated" us from the power of the CPSU, rushed to tear down Soviet monuments, drive Russians out of the national republics of the USSR. All this was done by the anti-Soviet people.
        1. -2
          2 June 2025 15: 57
          A provocative question for an expert: what nation do I belong to?
          1. +1
            2 June 2025 18: 15
            What's so provocative about that? Once you define what you mean by "people", the answer will be immediately apparent.
  11. BAI
    +3
    2 June 2025 09: 59
    If the Nazis were so great, why did they suffer such a crushing defeat?

    But is it devastating if we were able to revive?
    And out of the 54 "winning" countries, how many joined the camp of the winners after the outcome of the war became clear?
    By the way, a large number of countries were colonies of England. And they followed her like a locomotive. Nobody asked their opinion
    1. +1
      2 June 2025 11: 53
      The countries that were independent at that time were listed.
      Colonies, protectorates, etc. are not included in this list.
  12. +6
    2 June 2025 10: 33
    This is so because even in those days everything that Napoleon tried to bring to Russia on his bayonets was categorically rejected by Russian society: both by the nobility and by the common people.

    Nothing of the sort. High society was thoroughly pro-French, and French was the official language of the aristocracy. Russian officers on reconnaissance raids were forbidden to communicate with each other in French, lest the peasants impale them with pitchforks. wassat
    You can't deny yourself. laughing

    And in general, comparing Bonapartism and Nazism is absolutely incorrect, Napoleon was essentially a fighter against slavery, it was he who brought the idea of ​​the Republic to the world, most countries in the world now live by his code, including us. hi
    1. -1
      2 June 2025 13: 41
      Napoleon is just an ordinary European conquering monarch. By the way, he was not at all averse to concluding an alliance with the Russian Empire to challenge the hegemony of the British. And Tsar Paul I, who wanted to conclude this alliance, was killed with the direct participation of the British.
      In a way, Russia made a geopolitical mistake. After all, all those whom Russia helped defeat Napoleon soon turned against it. Including defeat in the Crimean War
      1. +1
        2 June 2025 20: 27
        A typical struggle for spheres of influence. When Nikolai was climbing into the Balkans and reaching for the straits, what else did he expect? Or Alexander II later. Well, at least there it didn't come to an open confrontation. Diplomacy tied his hands. Do you think it would have been different if Napoleon had gored England? Ha ha three times.
  13. +6
    2 June 2025 11: 20
    The point is that in order to bring down Nazism, neo-Nazism and all its other varieties that have their origins in German Nazism, you only need to ask one question: “If the Nazis were so great, then why did they suffer such a crushing defeat?”

    Any answer to it from the Nazi side means the collapse of his worldview.

    Pffff... a Nazi will immediately explain to you about the world Jewish conspiracy, about crowds of Ivanovs thrown to the slaughter, driven by barrier detachments of commissars of a certain nationality, and about a stab in the back from the fifth column of the not fully cleaned out Zionists in the Reich. In general, the world Zionist capital crushed the fighters for a bright Aryan future with the meat it hired.
    1. -1
      2 June 2025 11: 52
      Great!!
      So the Jewish conspiracy is stronger than the Nazis. It follows that the Nazis should submit, put on a kippah and study the Torah diligently. laughing
      1. +3
        2 June 2025 15: 21
        Quote: wehr
        Great!!
        So the Jewish conspiracy is stronger than the Nazis. It follows that the Nazis should submit, put on a kippah and study the Torah diligently. laughing

        No. They will explain to you that the Nazis needed to cleanse their ranks more thoroughly so that Zionists would not sneak in and ruin the whole thing. smile
        Oh, and there's also the nasty Englishwoman who has been pitting Russia and Germany against each other for centuries. Although she too is ruled by plutocrats of a certain nationality, this family was even given barons in the 19th century.
        In general, they will explain to you that you just need to prepare more thoroughly.
        1. +2
          2 June 2025 15: 56
          From which it follows that the Nazis have no significant advantages.
          In general, this is a typical technique for diverting attention.
          If the Zionists penetrate everywhere, including the Nazis, it follows that the Nazis themselves are not able to distinguish their own from others, that is, they do not have a decisive feature that serves as a distinction.
          If all tricks are beaten by cunning, then wouldn't it follow that it is precisely cunning that is worth developing? laughing
    2. 0
      2 June 2025 13: 43
      There is a global conspiracy, alas. And the Zionists play one of the first violins in it. And it is impossible to refute. But this does not say at all that "all Jews are ...". Ordinary, simple Jews, for "them", are the same cannon fodder.
      They say that crime has no nationality
  14. +3
    2 June 2025 11: 25
    "Not long ago, the issue of absurd prohibition, that is, punishment for propaganda or public display of Nazi symbols, was raised again."
    In my childhood, the most offensive thing was to call someone a fascist. And we drew swastikas on destroyed enemy tanks or planes. It turns out that according to the current law, we were promoting Nazism.
    Childhood perception associated the swastika not with Aryan origin, but with four Russian letters connected at the base: Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Goebbels.
    It's strange that there was no comment - fascism is one thing, and Nazism is another. It seems like Italians are one thing, and Germans are another.
    Nazism is a component of fascism. Be it Germans, Italians, Hungarians, or Croatians...
    1. 0
      2 June 2025 13: 52
      You are confused. This is Nazism - a further development of fascism.
      For all the vileness of Mussolini's regime, there was no Nazism in Italy. Moreover, the main banker of this regime was a Jew.
      Simplified, stereotypical perception is very dangerous. Political manipulators, taking advantage of people's illiteracy, can declare anyone a fascist. And themselves - "fighters against fascism." Remember the "antifa" who helped black bandits in the US rob whites.
      And there are also political movements, for example, Islamic radicalism, which no one calls Nazism, but, in essence, it is Nazism. And wasn't the terrorist regime of Dudayev-Maskhadov in Chechnya Nazi?
      It is precisely understanding the essence of phenomena that allows us to prevent their repetition...
      And don't talk about "tanks and a plane on board". This is a primitive example. Such graphics are drawn in any fighting army. Including the Ukrainian Wehrmacht...
      1. +1
        2 June 2025 17: 29
        Quote: futurohunter
        And don't talk about "tanks and a plane on board". That's a primitive example.

        It is necessary. At an early age, a person forms "what is good and what is bad."
        Quote: futurohunter
        For all the vileness of Mussolini's regime, there was no Nazism in Italy. Moreover, the main banker of this regime was a Jew.

        Oh, and there was also a king. You might be wondering how many of those same Jews were exterminated in Italy.
        And in Ukraine there is a Jew, Zelensky.
        An attempt to separate fascism and Nazism is tolerance, i.e. a disease.
        Quote: futurohunter
        Political manipulators, taking advantage of people's illiteracy, can declare anyone a fascist. And themselves - "fighters against fascism."

        As in Ukraine - "Russian fascists". "From a sick head to a healthy one".
        P.S. Think about why the third "Axis" state is called militaristic. The state that killed and tortured more people than all the fascist states of Europe combined. And they are Nazis of the highest order.
        1. -1
          5 June 2025 11: 03
          Was mammoth
          At an early age, a person develops “what is good and what is bad”.
          "Airplanes and tanks on board" - here - secondary. You know, the Nazis also drew them... We need a comprehensive system of education, so that children understand this "good-bad".

          how many of the same Jews were exterminated in Italy
          I wasn't interested. In Germany, anti-Semitism was part of the state ideology. In Italy, no. Only at the everyday level. And in medieval Spain, even more Jews were exterminated - was there Nazism there, too?

          Don't confuse the bitter with the nasty!

          An attempt to separate fascism and nazism
          It is necessary, because the “medicines” for them are completely different.

          Like in Ukraine - "Russians are fascists"
          You wanted to write one thing, but wrote another! And you hit the nail on the head! That's right! All Russian fascists are in Ukraine! Have you heard of the RDK? And the Ukronazis are also Russian, in fact! Look at the names of Budanov and others.

          Regarding Japan. You are confusing a lot. Japan was militaristic! That is, a paramilitary state. But it was neither Nazi (there was no ideology of national superiority) nor fascist (it was a capitalist state, and not a corporate dictatorship). As for how many "the Japanese killed", well, Pol Pot and the medieval Inquisition also killed a lot. But they were neither Nazis nor fascists.

          You lump everything together, but these are different diseases. You can't treat oncology and syphilis with the same medications.
          I repeat that one of the reasons why it is so difficult to fight Nazism, fascism and totalitarianism is people’s misunderstanding of the essence of these different phenomena.
          1. 0
            5 June 2025 19: 37
            Quote: futurohunter
            An attempt to separate fascism and nazism
            It is necessary, because the “medicines” for them are completely different.

            There is only one cure. And our fathers knew it.
            "If your house is dear to you,
            Where have you been nourished by the Russians,
            Under a log ceiling,
            Where are you, swinging in the cradle, sailing;

            If the roads in the house are volumes
            You have walls, stoves and corners,
            Grandfather, great-grandfather and father
            It has well-groomed floors;

            If you love the poor garden
            With may color, with bees buzzing
            And under the lime tree a hundred years ago
            In the ground buried by my grandfather's table;

            If you do not want sex
            In your house, the fascist trampled,
            So he sat down at the grandfather's table
            And I broke the trees in the garden ...

            If mother is dear to you -
            You are breastfeeding,
            Where for a long time already there is no milk,
            Just stick your cheek;

            If you endure no strength,
            So that the fascist, standing to her,
            On the cheeks wrinkled beat,
            Scythe wound on the arm;

            To the same hands her,
            What carried you into the cradle,
            Washed his clothes
            And made him a bed ...

            If you did not forget your father,
            What shook you in your arms,
            What a good soldier was
            And disappeared in the Carpathian snows,

            What died over the Volga, beyond the Don,
            For the motherland of your destiny;
            If you do not want him
            Turned in a coffin,

            So that a soldier's portrait in crosses
            The fascist took it and tore it to the floor.
            And my mother's eyes
            He stepped on his face ...

            If you do not want to give
            The one with whom he walked together,
            The one that long to kiss
            You did not dare - so loved her -

            So that the Nazis will be alive
            They took it by force, holding it in a corner,
            And the three of them crucified her,
            Naked, on the floor;

            To get three of these dogs
            In groans, in hatred, in blood
            All that holy shroud you yourself
            With all the power of male love ...

            If you are a fascist with a gun
            You do not want to give up forever
            The house where you lived, your wife and mother,
            All that we call homeland -

            Know: no one will save her,
            If you do not save her;
            Know: no one will kill him,
            If you do not kill him.

            And while he did not kill him,
            You keep silent about your love,
            The land where you grew up, and the house where you lived,
            Do not call your homeland.

            Let your brother kill the fascist,
            Let the neighbor kill the fascist, -
            It's your brother and neighbor who take revenge,
            And you do not have excuses.

            Behind someone else's back they do not sit,
            They do not take revenge on someone else's rifle.
            Since your brother killed a fascist, -
            It's him, not you soldier.

            So kill the fascist, so that he,
            And you did not lie on the ground,
            Not in your house to moan,
            And he stood by him in the dead.

            So he wanted, his guilt, -
            Let his house burn, and not yours,
            And let not your wife,
            And let him be a widow.

            Let her cry out not yours,
            And his born mother,
            Not yours, but his family
            Ponaprasnu let him wait.

            So kill at least one!
            So kill him quickly!
            How many times will you see him,
            So many times and kill him! "
            K. Simonov

            Quote: futurohunter
            I repeat that one of the reasons why it is so difficult to fight Nazism, fascism and totalitarianism is people’s misunderstanding of the essence of these different phenomena.

            Aha! I've already heard that people were narrow-minded and didn't understand. But today's "thinkers"...
            1. 0
              6 June 2025 01: 08
              I don't share your pathos. Yes, the grandfathers fought back. But did they destroy fascism and Nazism? Who is our country fighting again now? Not only did they not cure them, they also let the infection in...

              people were narrow-minded and didn't understand
              Being narrow-minded and not understanding are two different things... For example, you don’t understand, but do you consider yourself narrow-minded?

              "Today's thinkers" have not proposed anything...
              1. 0
                6 June 2025 14: 06
                Quote: futurohunter
                I don't share your pathos. Yes, the grandfathers fought back. But did they destroy fascism and Nazism? Who is our country fighting again now? Not only did they not cure them, they also let the infection in...

                This is not pathos. This is the history of my country, my people, my family.
                "From the stove". Fascism can disappear only with the disappearance of capitalism. It is its brainchild. Destroy it in one place, and it will appear in another. An economic and organizational terrorist structure with the ideology of Nazism. Note that the enemy of the Nazis was not the Jews, not the Gypsies, not the "subhumans", but the communists. Their ideological enemies, at least in Italy, Germany, Spain, Chile, Ukraine...
                You've already agreed that fascism can be kind in a particular country. Did you come up with that yourself?
                1. 0
                  6 June 2025 14: 26
                  And what are you going to do with this capitalism? After all, we also have capitalism, and the most blatant one at that...

                  Note that the Nazis' enemy was not the Jews... "subhumans", but the communists.
                  Generally speaking, Jewish Nazism also exists - it is radical Zionism - the essence of Israeli politics.

                  Regarding the communists. It's all very complicated. Both in Italy and in Germany, the communists were very strong at the time when the fascists/nazis were striving for power. For them, it was the main obstacle in seizing power. By the way, note that most of the "commies" in Germany suddenly became "nazis" after Giebler came to power.
                  If you dig into the biographies of most Ukrainian Nazi politicians, you will suddenly discover that they were members of the CPSU.
                  Soviet Russia was the strongest geopolitical enemy for Germany. But the Gibbler managed to cooperate with us for some time. And both sides understood that this was a temporary "friendship".
                  From an ideological point of view, yes, the communists with their idea of ​​human equality were definitely ideological and philosophical opponents of those who believed that “they were superior.”

                  You've even gone so far as to say that fascism can be kind in a particular country.
                  You came up with this yourself. I didn't say "kind". I said that, as a rule, fascism came to power in countries with a difficult economic situation. And one of its deceptions was the promise of social benefits to those who supported it. This was the case with Mussolini and in Germany ("Strength through joy"). It is difficult to resist state terror alone. Note that there were no partisans in Germany. They were in Italy, but not particularly strong. And they appeared as a result of serious miscalculations of the Mussolini regime.
                  But relatively "soft" fascist regimes are also known. Read about the Salazar regime in Portugal. What is curious is that he put an end to the most brutal dictatorship that existed before him, and even solved a number of economic problems. He was able to avoid participating in World War II (his neighbor Frankov could not). And even radical fascists and Nazis were subjected to repression under Salazar. I do not praise this regime - it discredited itself, and would have been overthrown by the people. But this is an example of the diversity of fascism. That is why its many-faced chimera is dangerous.

                  And the self-righteousness has already led us to the Great Patriotic War in 1941, and to the SVO in 2022... Therefore, I have spoken out about the pathos... And the end of the SVO is not yet in sight...
                  1. 0
                    6 June 2025 15: 02
                    Quote: futurohunter
                    And what are you going to do with this capitalism? After all, we also have capitalism, and the most blatant one at that...

                    Study Marxism-Leninism. The answers are there. wink
                    Fascist regimes have national characteristics. For example, the Italians did not kill Jews en masse, but sent them to Germany, to the ovens of concentration camps. But these regimes have one thing in common - the power of large financial and industrial capital.
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                      9 June 2025 15: 43
                      It's a bit late to study Marxism-Leninism now... Doesn't it seem strange to you to directly use a teaching that was created over 100 years ago? Stalin already made changes to it, which we modestly hushed up. And look at China, which is ahead of the rest of the planet. Is it "Marxist-Leninist"?
                      The future lies in a mixed economy with state control over the most important enterprises and industries.
                      Regarding fin-industrial capital - I agree. But, still, what exactly should be done? You didn't write
                      1. 0
                        9 June 2025 16: 12
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        It's a bit late to study Marxism-Leninism now... Doesn't it seem strange to you to directly use a teaching that was created over 100 years ago?

                        Doesn't it seem strange? Is it strange that they teach arithmetic?
                        Marx wrote a work that considered the development of society from a class point of view. Has this lost its relevance? Lenin and Stalin developed philosophically and applied their thoughts in practice. Which led to the creation of the first socialist state. and its power. Unfortunately, after the philosopher Stalin, dogmatism led to the death of the USSR. Quotes, not understanding. The Chinese communists have institutes that study the experience of the Soviet Union.
                        Who knows, if you study and comprehend Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism and the deeds of the Chinese communists, you will find the path to a just society. For me, this path is through socialism.
                      2. -1
                        9 June 2025 16: 21
                        Class states are left somewhere in India, or poor countries. Nothing prevents you from opening your own business and hiring workers, becoming a capitalist. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this, and I've already been in this role.
                        You are confusing socialism with a welfare state. The USSR was a welfare state. But China, with the Communist Party at the helm (!), is also a capitalist and welfare state! In my opinion, the Chinese communists have already taken everything positive from the USSR experience, and if they are studying anything now, it is only the mistakes of the USSR. And they are actively building capitalism - and each regional committee head has a budget for building a business.
                        So you are wrong.
                        A just society is a regulated society with a mixed economy and a powerful social sphere. There was no "pure" socialism even in the USSR - there were cooperatives, artels and even private owners.
                        The whole question is what can be given into private hands and what should remain in the hands of the state.
                        And yes, here's a question. More precisely, a bunch of questions at once. Have you been abroad, for example, to Turkey? And if you have, have you seen German pensioners from the most capitalistic Germany, who, having retired, easily travel around the world? And can ours afford this? pensioners, who don't always have enough for a piece of bread? And could pensioners in the USSR, who only had enough for a piece of bread, afford something similar?
                      3. 0
                        9 June 2025 18: 34
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Class states remained somewhere in India or poor countries.

                        I am sure that you have heard something about Marxism somewhere, but you have not read or understood anything about it yourself. It happens. wink
                      4. 0
                        9 June 2025 23: 11
                        Then please answer a few questions:
                        1. Can you open your own business? (i.e., do you have such an opportunity under Russian law?)
                        2. If you opened your own business, can you hire staff for it?
                        3. If 1 and 2 are possible, then it is bad?
                        4. If you do 1 and 2, will you immediately become a capitalist and an exploiter?
                      5. 0
                        10 June 2025 10: 33
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        4. If you do 1 and 2, will you immediately become a capitalist and an exploiter?

                        According to Marx, it depends on the ownership of the means of production and on the surplus value.
                      6. 0
                        10 June 2025 11: 23
                        Well, look. Let's take two entrepreneurs:
                        1. Pays its employees a fairly fair salary (possibly even above the market))), social package, all sorts of perks (coffee, free lunches, etc.). However, it does not forget about itself, it pays itself a salary, dividends, and from profits, etc.
                        2. Pays the minimum to workers, mercilessly fines for every "offense". Pays himself the maximum. At the same time, he does everything within the framework of labor and other laws - you can't find fault.
                        Both the "good" and "bad" owner are capitalists, you can't argue with that. It's just that no one gave the second one a punch in the face. And both can be considered exploiters, because they exploit other people's labor.
                        Is not it so?
                        And both create jobs, etc.
                        You are completely off base with the means of production. Perhaps there were no joint-stock companies in Marx's time? Well, I think there were.
                        So, only very small businesses have the "means of production" completely in the hands of the capitalist. Large and even medium-sized businesses are not made with the money of the "capitalist", but with the money of investors and bank loans (which existed even in the USSR). The workers themselves can serve as shareholders of their enterprise. But the capitalist still remains one.
                        If you do not own the means of production at all, then you are simply a hired manager.
                        Surplus value exists in all commercial organizations. Even value added tax (VAT) is collected from it. And, by the way, when you go to the store for groceries, it is you who pays it, not the "capitalist", although he is from the surplus value.
                      7. 0
                        10 June 2025 13: 00
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Both the "good" and "bad" owner are capitalists, you can't argue with that. It's just that no one gave the second one a punch in the face. And both can be considered exploiters, because they exploit other people's labor.
                        Is not it so?
                        And both create jobs, etc.

                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Surplus value exists in all commercial organizations.

                        A. Who should punch you in the face? If the laws are created by the ruling class?
                        The capitalist puts the surplus value in his pocket, under socialism, part of it is returned to the workers in the form of social benefits. Everyone understands justice in their own way. In the USSR, it was a "social contribution". A miner earned several times more than a salesman. Stalin earned less than an academician.
                        P.S. Every Soviet tenth-grader had a subject - Social Science (or social science, I don't remember). It introduced the currents of philosophical thought, I think, from Ancient Greece.
                        We've come a long way! wink
                      8. 0
                        9 June 2025 16: 23
                        I will add. The Soviet experience should also be studied from the point of view of why such a good undertaking collapsed so ingloriously. And the seeds of its demise were sown at the time of the creation of the USSR, and no one has eradicated them.
  15. +1
    2 June 2025 12: 46
    "Guardians" who start "campaigns for truth" on such occasions are the most harmful creatures, causing colossal damage to the state. No enemy, no spy is simply capable of causing such harm. The USSR is an example of this. I hope Russia will not follow the same path...
    1. +1
      2 June 2025 14: 53
      I agree. The best remedy against Nazism and other fascisms is understanding what they are and why they are dangerous. Order in the minds of the peoples.
      But we cannot in any way exclude human vices, which are also the breeding ground for any radicalism, including Nazi-fascist
      1. +3
        2 June 2025 14: 56
        That's true. But order in the people's minds leads to questions being raised about their government. Since the overwhelming majority of the government has climbed there to satisfy their basest passions, order in the people's minds is terribly inconvenient for them...
        1. -3
          2 June 2025 15: 31
          Bast and bast, but pro-Western "liberals" always dig under the authorities
          1. +5
            2 June 2025 16: 07
            Yes, Herr Blockführer!
            Any call to use one's head is treason to the Motherland!
            Any sidelong glance towards the authorities is a call for the violent overthrow of the existing order, holy and infallible!
            1. 0
              5 June 2025 00: 06
              Only instead of calling to "turn on your brain", they try to put on light filters of a characteristic brown color (( ... and turn off your brain completely.
              Here the topic was completely different. And a Westernoid (the term is taken from Zinoviev) is always "against the authorities". Especially when he drinks vodka.
            2. 0
              27 June 2025 21: 05
              For it is said in the scriptures: “Slaves under the yoke must consider their masters worthy of all honor, so as not to blaspheme the name of the Lord!”
          2. +1
            3 June 2025 14: 37
            Foie gras-croissants, and the guards discredit all the authorities, the people watch, laugh, and do not trust the authorities any more...
  16. +3
    2 June 2025 15: 36
    Well, the author somehow doesn’t emphasize that many “teams” can play such “games” at once.
    The internet is full of photos of Grozny. In the USSR. And after the 0s. Look, they say, what they did to the city.... who?
    Photo of Artemovsk. Peaceful life until 2022. And demolished non-residential after 2023-4.
    And I remember "our Russia" - "and who did this, who did this...."

    And so, for each chapter given, examples can be given...
    1. -2
      2 June 2025 15: 51
      No matter how much any nationalist loves his nation and no matter how much he wishes for it all sorts of privileges and preferences, he must still be a realist: his nation lives surrounded by other nations, whose existence must be taken into account.
      Otherwise, you can get into a war with an obviously stronger enemy and get smashed in the ass, like the Ukrainians.
      1. 0
        3 June 2025 09: 59
        Well, for some reason they immediately turn a blind eye to this in cases like: Gaza, Syria, Venezuela, Jordan and all sorts, Iraq and Iran, Taiwan, Korea, etc...
        be realistic, next to the strong... don't snatch...
      2. 0
        5 June 2025 10: 27
        You are right and wrong here. The "Ukrainians" themselves, as a people, did not "get involved" in this war. They were driven into this war by the politicians who commanded them. And the people did not resist.
        Although, "to be honest", there is no point in talking about the people here either... Ukrainians are a part of the Russian people artificially torn away by scoundrels...
  17. +6
    2 June 2025 16: 24
    The trouble is, if the cobbler starts the cakes,
    A boots stitch a cakeman
    The author may be good at facts about military history and the history of weapons, but in ideology he gets a two and needs to retake the exam.
    1) The fact of military defeat does not prove anything and cannot be a refutation of Nazism (as it cannot refute anything). Moreover, in history, everything new has made its way with difficulty and suffered defeat at first. Was the defeat of the French Revolution a defeat of the ideology of civil society and capitalism? It is simply ridiculous to ask such questions now. Real Nazis will simply laugh at such arguments.
    2) Moreover, the fact of military defeat itself is not so simple. It was a consequence of Hitler's personal miscalculations (which was a consequence of his fanatical anti-communism), it has nothing to do with ideology. If Germany had not attacked the USSR, there would have been no "anti-Hitler coalition". And no alliance of all states against Hitler was even close to being observed in 1940-1941.
    3) It was not the love of the USA for Germany (very relative, by the way) that was primarily connected with their attitude to the Jews (already practically omnipotent in the USA at that time). But the ideology of Nazism authorizes us only to the idea of ​​superior and inferior nations, their hierarchy, and not at all to anti-Semitism (fascism did not have it). If Hitler had declared only Slavs, Gypsies and some Chinese to be inferior, and the Jews to be normal guys, he would have had no problems at all.
    3) The ideology of Nazism itself is a logical consequence of the crisis of Western capitalism and the old European civilization as a whole ("God is dead" according to Nietzsche). Its essence is to transfer the class struggle to the struggle of nations, to transfer it to a horizontal plane and to take it beyond the borders of one's own country. And in one's own country to create an artificial unity of individuals again united into a single people, a unity without plutocracy and social discord. Hence the name - National Socialism. This idea is organically connected with the war against the weak with the aim of robbing them for the benefit of one's own nation. But it cannot be "refuted".
    For Russia it is unacceptable because it does not correspond to our very cultural foundations - our people have not become individuals, have not gone through the crucible of capitalism, they did not need to be artificially united, and then Russia has no chance of robbing anyone, the place of the leader in Western capitalism is taken and we will not be allowed there. That is, for us Nazism is simply impractical.
    1. +3
      3 June 2025 17: 15
      Here I completely agree with you. The author of this immature opus about Nazism became a victim of Soros's textbooks and bad upbringing. To defeat ideology with one question is not just stupid and arrogant, but very dumb. The man does not understand what an idea is. And he rushes to write articles without any doubt in his powers and knowledge.
      1. 0
        5 June 2025 00: 08
        ABOUT! Right!
        And such a question can convince only an immature schoolboy. But certainly not a "savvy" Nazi...
  18. +3
    2 June 2025 18: 33
    A politician considers a political instrument to be the most effective because he believes that it would have the most effective impact on himself.

    Absolutely wrong statement. Doesn't work even in primitive trade marketing. The tool of influence is chosen based on the assessment of its influence on the focus group.
    And politicians - cynical and pragmatic people - do not try out instruments of influence on themselves (this is not effective), only on the model of society, a group of society or specific individuals.
    1. 0
      2 June 2025 23: 37
      Then we will have to admit that the Nazis had erroneous models of the societies of the countries they were going to invade.
      If their own ideology does not promise anything good to their neighbors, and their ideas about their neighbors contain gross errors, then they were basically doomed to failure.
      1. +2
        3 June 2025 14: 16
        "Then we will have to admit that the Nazis had erroneous models of the societies of the countries they were going to invade."[B] [/ b]
        Yes, it must be admitted that for those countries and people whom the Nazis tried to conquer, the prospect of destruction certainly did not inspire optimism.
        To paraphrase a well-known expression, one can say that any ideology is not a dogma, but a guide to action. In Germany, National Socialism was adopted for domestic use in the 20s. And it turned out to be an effective tool. However, it was not possible to modernize it for a unifying imperial strategy to build an empire. With German rationalism and love to bring everything to its ultimate state, the idea developed in the direction of hatred and division and destruction of people.
        The idea of ​​superiority helped to take power in Germany and conquer Europe by force, but then there was a failure.
  19. +1
    3 June 2025 11: 55
    Nazism is one of the forms of fascism. And fascism is an open dictatorship of national capital in a separate imperialist state for the military defeat of competitors and the establishment of world domination through war.
    Fascism and Nazism in particular can be irreversibly defeated only in a new social formation after capitalism. And we have observed this very well. Only in socialist countries could fascism, including Nazism, not exist.
  20. 0
    3 June 2025 17: 35
    Well, as we see, it wasn't so difficult to ideologically overthrow Nazism and all its modern variants? All it took was a few well-known facts, a little logic and a bit of polemical impudence.

    Well, that's it. Nazism is now defeated forever. Respect and admiration to the author. A bronze monument in the Motherland, the title of Academician and so on, so on, so on. The topic is closed. Hurray! We won!
  21. 0
    27 June 2025 11: 18
    Quote: "The Fuhrer takes, say, a purebred German from a peasant farm and sends him to fight in the East, where tank tracks mix him with mud, and in his place on the same farm - a Pole, a Frenchman, an Italian"
    …No hints here, please! :)
  22. 0
    10 October 2025 23: 43
    I think in life, everyone strives to be better than others. Governments. I often see similarities between my behavior and that of politicians in Russia, China, or Armenia. In short, yes, everyone wants to be better, and if you want to get rid of the desire to be better than others, you may have to get rid of everything that generates this desire, like money, women, and everything else. And on that day, the entire foundation of life may collapse. This is a bloody birth. This is how a new order is formed, both in the political sphere and in personal life. Perhaps robots and artificial intelligence will be able to do this, destroying jobs.
  23. 0
    12 October 2025 14: 44
    Nationalism and Nazism are different. Nazism is based on the humiliation of all other peoples, while nationalism is based on protecting the interests of one's own people. A people without nationalism is like a person without immunity. They will be devoured from the inside by insolent aliens.
  24. 0
    22 November 2025 21: 26
    • Symbols and propaganda are used to create conditions for the fascistization of the country.

    • Symbolism hides evil so that it can only be appreciated after the crime has been committed.

    • The ban on displaying Nazi symbols on television and other media is used to recruit young people and create conditions for fascism within the country.

    • The tricolor used in the parade raises questions about who defeated whom and in what war.

    • The use of the tricolor at the Victory Parade may be perceived as recognition of the victory of traitors and collaborators, and not as a victory for Russia.