Strategic High-Altitude Reconnaissance Aircraft: From RQ-4 Global Hawk and WZ-7 Soaring Dragon to Saetbyol-4 and RQ-180 White Bat

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Strategic High-Altitude Reconnaissance Aircraft: From RQ-4 Global Hawk and WZ-7 Soaring Dragon to Saetbyol-4 and RQ-180 White Bat

At all times, intelligence has been one of the main factors determining victory in wars and armed conflicts. At present, strategic intelligence in the interests of the armed forces (AF) of the world's leading military-technical powers is carried out by reconnaissance satellites, manned high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, and reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

A separate niche can be allocated to stratospheric UAVs – pseudo-satellites that can potentially hover for months at an altitude of over 25 kilometers, solving reconnaissance tasks, relaying communications equipment, and even issuing navigation signals.



In Russia, there are certain problems with all of the above-mentioned strategic intelligence tools, we previously discussed this in the article The Ukrainian Armed Forces' daring forays are a consequence of the Russian Armed Forces' lack of modern reconnaissance satellites and high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, we also missed the topic of pseudo-satellites, although Russian stratospheric UAVs La-251/252 "Aist" could be first among equals.


UAV La-251 "Aist" and model of UAV La-252

It can be assumed (and one would like to hope) that the efforts of the Russian Armed Forces are now focused on the development of reconnaissance, navigation and communication satellites that could be produced in an assembly line manner and deployed en masse in orbit – at least, they appear periodically news on this topic, inspiring cautious optimism.

However, even the presence of highly effective reconnaissance satellites does not eliminate the need for strategic high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft. Today we will once again recall the existing capabilities of our adversaries in terms of high-altitude reconnaissance, and also talk about their promising developments, as well as the developments of our partners and allies.

USA


Since 1957, the US has operated the Lockheed U-2 high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, capable of conducting surveillance from a height of about twenty kilometers, which became infamous after one of these aircraft was shot down by a Soviet anti-aircraft gun. rocket complex (air defense missile system) in the Sverdlovsk region, and its pilot F. Powers was taken prisoner.

However, the vulnerability of Lockheed U-2 aircraft to SAM fire did not make them useless at all - flights were simply carried out along borders, without violating airspace, and the enormous flight altitude allowed the U-2 to look hundreds of kilometers deep into the territory of a potential enemy. The latest modification of the U-2S Dragon Lady reconnaissance aircraft is still in service, and since their appearance, their flight performance characteristics (FPC) in terms of flight range and tactical and technical characteristics (TTC) in terms of reconnaissance equipment capabilities have increased significantly.


U-2S Dragon Lady

True, there are rumors that the U-2S Dragon Lady may be decommissioned next year, but the US Congress may well block this decision – this happens often there.

In 2004, the US Armed Forces acquired another high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft – the RQ-4 Global Hawk strategic reconnaissance UAV. Despite the fact that the RQ-4 Global Hawk’s performance in terms of flight altitude, which is about 16 kilometers, is somewhat worse than that of the U-2S reconnaissance aircraft (21 kilometers), it has a significantly greater range and flight duration – its patrol time can reach up to 36 hours.

We are faced with the consequences of this machine’s existence in practice – strategic reconnaissance UAVs RQ-4 Global Hawk regularly “hang around” over the Black Sea and the territories of NATO countries near the borders of Ukraine, and given the possible range of their reconnaissance equipment, God knows how many attacks on our military and civilian facilities are planned taking into account the information they provide.

By the way, based on the range of patrol routes of the RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV, it is possible to roughly determine the capabilities of the reconnaissance equipment of this machine.


RQ-4 Global Hawk Strategic Reconnaissance UAV

Also currently in the US, in an atmosphere of heightened secrecy, there is and is being operated the RQ-180 reconnaissance UAV from Northrop Grumman. It is believed that it was the appearance of the RQ-180 UAV that caused the US Air Force to abandon the further development of the RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV line.

There is very little information about the RQ-18 UAV, the prototype RQ-180 made its first flight on August 3, 2010 from the American military airfield in Nevada - Area 51. It must be a fairly large machine - satellite images of Area 51 show large hangars that can accommodate aircraft with a wingspan of about 40 meters. According to open data, the first serial RQ-180 entered service in January 2017.

The development of the RQ-180 UAV was financed from a classified US Air Force budget, the contract for development was concluded in 2008, judging by the financial statements of Northrop Grumman, the contract value was about 2 billion US dollars.

The key feature of the RQ-180 UAV is its reduced visibility from all directions, in all wavelength ranges, primarily radar visibility in a wide range of wavelengths. At the same time, the RQ-180 UAV glider has the highest aerodynamic perfection, previously available only to sports gliders.


Proposed appearance of the RQ-180 UAV

It is believed that this is a new generation of high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft capable of operating in an area saturated with air defense systems (Defense) of the enemy. Presumably, the RQ-180 UAV was designed to perform missions previously performed by the high-speed reconnaissance aircraft SR-71, only it must penetrate enemy airspace not due to its superior speed, but due to its extreme stealth.

The RQ-18 UAV is believed to carry active and passive reconnaissance capabilities, including an active phased array (AESA) radar. In addition, the RQ-18 UAV is equipped with electronic warfare capabilities (EW), most likely designed to disrupt attacks by enemy air-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs).

It can also act as a communications relay for B-2, B-21 bombers and F-22, F-35 fighters, and possibly other combat units. The RQ-18 UAV is capable of patrolling for 24 hours at an altitude of up to 18 meters, covering a distance of 000 thousand kilometers.

In November 2020, the first photo of what is believed to be an RQ-180 emerged, with the UAV seen flying at high altitude over Edwards Air Force Base, and in September 2021, a second photo emerged showing the UAV over the Philippines.


RQ-18 UAV over Edwards Air Force Base

China


In China, an analogue of the American RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV has been developed and is being mass-produced – the Chengdu WZ-7 Xianglong / Soaring Dragon strategic reconnaissance UAV with a so-called annular wing – a lower wing of normal sweep and an upper wing of reverse sweep with downward-curved flaps, with the help of which the upper wing is connected to the middle of the consoles of the lower wing.

The length of the WZ-7 Chengdu Xianglong UAV is 14,3 meters, the wingspan is 25 meters, the height is 5,4 meters with a takeoff weight of 7,5 tons and a payload of up to 650 kilograms. The turbojet engine provides the WZ-7 UAV with a speed of up to 950 kilometers per hour and a flight range of up to 7000 kilometers at an altitude of over 18 kilometers. The reconnaissance range using an AFAR radar is 550 kilometers.

As we can see, on paper, the Soaring Dragon is not inferior to the Global Hawk. By the way, the Chinese have also developed a naval analogue of the WZ-7 UAV, just as there is a naval analogue of the RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV – the MQ-4C Triton UAV.


UAV WZ-7 Chengdu Xianglong

North Korea


It is funny and somewhat humiliating for Russia that North Korea has developed its own analogue of the RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV – the Saetbyol-4 (“Saebyeol-4” or “Rising Star-4”) strategic reconnaissance UAV, and the analogue is visually very close to the original.

Of course, the performance characteristics and flight characteristics of the Saetbyol-4 UAV are unknown, some sources even claim that this machine is based on the Chengdu J-7 fighter (a copy of the Soviet MiG-21), although this seems unlikely, as are the capabilities of the reconnaissance equipment installed on it, but this UAV flies, that is, at least in the form of some kind of prototype it exists.


UAV Saetbyol-4

Conclusions


At present, Russia has no direct analogues of the above-mentioned reconnaissance aircraft and UAVs.

As strange as it may sound, it seems that at the moment the easiest and fastest way to use strategic high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs in a special military operation (SMO) is to rent them from North Korea, since we are now allies.

Or invite the North Koreans to conduct field tests of the Saetbyol-4 UAV, for example, somewhere over the Black Sea, as a means of searching for unmanned boats (UBC), or in the area of ​​the line of combat contact in the Kursk or Belgorod regions in order to minimize the possibility of a repeat invasion.

Nevertheless, Russia has every opportunity to create its own strategic high-altitude reconnaissance UAV, comparable in characteristics or even superior to the high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs of its adversaries, partners and allies. However, this is a topic for a separate conversation, to which we will definitely return later.
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  1. +8
    24 May 2025 04: 20
    Everything is possible - the main thing is desire and ability
    The US invests in intelligence because it pays off and brings in income.
    In Russia, everything is the other way around (SVO showed it to the whole world).
    1. -3
      24 May 2025 06: 25
      The easiest and fastest way to use strategic high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs during a special military operation (SMO) is to rent them from North Korea, since we are now allies.

      These are Andrey Mitrofanov's conclusions in all their glory. What kind of people would come up with such a thing? To replace modern intelligence with methods of communist propaganda? And how does it work? They have a group of satellites with modern receiving and transmitting equipment in real time? It's not funny. How should one feel about the author after such conclusions?
      1. +2
        24 May 2025 13: 47
        Treat it normally! I'm still surprised why the author didn't mention the current state of affairs with the A-100?
    2. +9
      24 May 2025 14: 33
      Quote: ximkim
      Everything is possible - the main thing is desire and ability

      No, the main thing is the availability of specialists, production facilities and financial resources. For how many years now we have been unable to develop a replacement for the "maize" aircraft, and look where you are aiming - strategic unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, powerful satellite reconnaissance groups... And Mr. Ataman has no capital. Mr. Ataman's buddies have capital, but it is all in foreign banks. And our aviation industry is eating its last horseradish without salt, for the second year not a single serial passenger aircraft has been sold to our own airlines - and this is the first time in a hundred years! And here you are telling fairy tales about an interplanetary chess congress.
      Just by the way: a relative from the Saratov region told how she and the old women emptied their cellars to send something tastier to the boys at the front, they even canned borscht in three-liter jars. And this relative herself has problems with electricity in her village, with water supply, there is no street lighting. And after all, under the "damned communists" all this existed.
      My wife, like a wind-up toy, knits and knits woolen warmers for amputees, and her friends knit hers too. And they keep asking for more and more, and there's no end in sight. People are helping the guys at the front as much as they can - but they can't build reconnaissance planes. That would require a lot of what was destroyed and stolen.
      Of course, it is not obvious from Moscow that the country is poor and falling further and further behind. In Moscow, Sobyanin builds and builds the metro like a clockwork, evil tongues joke that they are building the Teply Stan - Tajikistan-Pakistan line. Sobyanin is a good man, but Moscow is not all of Russia. And people live outside the Moscow Ring Road, too.
      I understand that I have gone off topic, but over the last three decades I have become so sick that I have no strength left. And this whole war is also the result of betrayal of the people by the elites who went for the Belovezhskaya conspiracy and divided the country as if it were a slaughtered pig.
      1. 0
        25 May 2025 08: 36
        As I understand it, your relatives have been voting with their hearts for the blessed capitalism in Rus' for all 35 years?
        1. +3
          25 May 2025 20: 45
          As I understand it, your relatives have been voting with their hearts for the blessed capitalism in Rus' for all 35 years?
          When in the history of Rus' did voting somehow affect the chaos and lawlessness at the local level? Palace coups and some revolutions did not change anything. In some places, a village head without any canclave can declare himself a governor with his Word and Deed.
      2. 0
        3 June 2025 17: 22
        the main thing is the availability of specialists, production capacities and financial resources
        I'm afraid you're very wrong. The history of "sea" and "non-sea" powers shows very well that the main factor is motivation. Everything else comes later. If necessary, even the Austro-Hungarian Empire made battleships, and not the worst ones. But if we don't give a damn, we know a lot of examples of rich countries that couldn't, despite having all the resources. The Russo-Japanese War is a clear example.
      3. DO
        0
        8 September 2025 23: 11
        For how many years now have we been unable to develop a replacement for the "maize duster"?

        I'm so fed up with this cliche that keeps wandering from one comment to another.
        It's just that some former UZG repair plant was tasked with developing an aircraft for some reason. And not only an aircraft to replace the An-2, but also, for example, a heavy UAV, the Altius.
        The aforementioned developments were predictably failed by UZGA. Why predictably? Because to develop an aircraft, a team of aircraft developers with competence and positive experience in aircraft construction is needed. And where can repairmen get all this, and not developers?
        Why were these orders assigned to the Uzga? The question is for the one who assigned them. We will not voice guesses.
        But is the list of Russian aircraft design bureaus limited to this very Uzga?
  2. + 13
    24 May 2025 05: 29
    The paradox is that the government is full of security officers and intelligence agents, and the intelligence is in a very bad way. The Altair seems to have died somewhere in UZGA, the Helios-RLD exists as a model, all aerial reconnaissance is a maximum of a thermal imager on the Orion, and there is no news about flying SIGINT.
    1. +8
      24 May 2025 06: 09
      Just a few years ago, it was written right here on VO that the Russian Federation has lost the ability to mass-produce anything due to the collapse and destruction of related industries and the loss of competencies and the range of components and materials produced. Therefore, only prototypes and small series from improvised materials are produced at a very slow pace. Mass production is not available, since it would be necessary to invest in related industries, deploy assembly lines, etc. - long and expensive, and most importantly, there are no competencies in terms of personnel, both workers and managers.
      1. +9
        24 May 2025 06: 26
        deploying assembly lines, etc. is long and expensive
        Well, the most expensive thing for us is financing important people from the trough. Chemezov is always ready to take money and then pretend that nothing happened. Trillions have been and are going in an unknown direction, there is no demand for this money at all.
      2. 0
        25 May 2025 20: 49
        Just a few years ago, it was written right here on VO that the Russian Federation had lost the ability to mass-produce anything due to the collapse and destruction of related industries and the loss of competencies and the range of components and materials produced.
        Because everything we want will be sold to us for petrodollars.
        Small and medium-sized ones still develop and produce something. The big guys live with the Soviet megalomania that people will come crawling to them for their unique products.
    2. +3
      24 May 2025 08: 48
      Quote from alexoff
      The paradox is that the government is full of security officers and intelligence agents, but the intelligence service is in very bad shape.

      The fact that we do not have high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs like the US ones does not speak of Russia's technological and design wretchedness, but of the active opposition of the fifth column. There is no other way to explain this.
      The same applies to the development of civil aviation.
      1. +6
        24 May 2025 15: 23
        Altair showed this quite clearly. The development was received by the son-in-law of the State Duma committee member Rinat Khairov. This son-in-law - Tsvetkov - lived in London together with the deputy's daughter, spent the money for the drone on a jewelry salon in Cyprus. Then they gave it to UZGA, which is simply a black hole for projects and belongs to Technodinamika, which belongs to a banker.
      2. +2
        25 May 2025 20: 54
        The lack of high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs like those in the US does not speak of Russia’s technological and design inadequacies, but of active opposition from the fifth column.
        There is no need to blame it on someone's sabotage if everything can be easily explained by stupidity and indifference. There are plenty of examples to prove it. Even after the start of the SVO, there was a series of articles on VO about how UAVs are not needed and that they can easily be clicked from aircraft cannons by an aviation unit that specially patrols around the clock. In the comments, they vilified everyone who agreed. So there is no point in blaming the mirror.
        1. 0
          26 May 2025 07: 52
          Quote from barbos
          There is no need to blame someone's sabotage if everything can be easily explained by stupidity and indifference.

          This idea about the stupidity of our designers and technologists was hammered into your head by those who put "spokes in their wheels". And this is not the stupidity of officials, this is a deliberate act.
          Pay attention to how, after the start of the SVO, not only the design, but also the production of UAVs sharply went uphill. What, were designers brought from Mars? Were they not present in Russia before the SVO? It's just that, by a strong-willed decision from above, some "activists" were ordered to finance this work. And things started to go. Why didn't they go before? Because the fifth column didn't get a magic kick from above, and the Minister of Defense was either hunting and fishing, or organizing tank biathlons, he had no time to deal with the development of UAVs.
          Quote from barbos
          there was a series of articles about how UAVs are not needed and that they can easily be shot down by aircraft guns specially patrolling

          Frank lie
          1. 0
            1 June 2025 19: 41
            This idea about the stupidity of our designers and technologists was hammered into your head.
            Вообще речь шла о таком явлении как бритва Хэнлона (https://ru.ruwiki.ru/wiki/%D0%91%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%A5%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0)

            You will notice how, after the start of the SVO, not only the design, but also the production of UAVs sharply went uphill.

            1 not after the start, but after several months, when the fighters began to buy on their own or with the help of volunteers on Chinese marketplaces.
            2 What exactly prevented you from starting to design and produce independently before the start of the SVO? What were the reasons?
            3 Why do movements begin only and only then when some “activists” are ordered by a strong-willed decision?

            Why didn't it work before? Because the fifth column didn't get a magic kick from above
            I don't know what column it was, but people were partying and having fun at parties of varying degrees of nudity, completely ignoring the situation in the country. If you watch entertainment programs on federal channels, you can see those same columnists.

            Frank lie
            If I cite at least one such article (for example https://topwar.ru/109340-tehnika-na-grani-nenuzhnosti.html), are you ready to buy 1000 FIOCCHI 12 HV 4/0 - BB BUCK 12/70 cartridges at your own expense and send them to the fighters to fight these very drones? Are you ready, if you are so categorical?
            1. +1
              1 June 2025 20: 21
              Quote from barbos

              2 What exactly prevented you from starting to design and produce independently before the start of the SVO? What were the reasons?

              The stupidity of our Ministry of Defense, which does not understand the importance of UAVs, and as a result, the lack of funding
              Quote from barbos
              but the people were partying

              What does the people have to do with it? The people should have forced the Ministry of Defense to pay attention to the development of UAVs and allocate funds?
              Quote from barbos
              federal channels, you can see those same colonists.

              These are not as scary as those you won’t see on TV, but who are at the helm, on whom much, if not everything, depends.
              In short, you are babbling like a child. Sorry. hi
              1. 0
                7 June 2025 23: 29
                The stupidity of our Ministry of Defense, which does not understand the importance of UAVs
                Again, the generals are bad! And the tsar and the boyars for company. It's been more than a year since the beginning of the SVO. It seems like the Ministry of Defense has gotten smarter. It is engaged in development and implementation for the needs of the SVO. And now the locals should relax and not worry?
                Why is it absolutely necessary to have a visit from the Minister of Defense, followed by the removal of heads that are not even thinking about moving in their localities?

                In short, you are babbling like a child. Sorry.
                So what about an adult conversation about a thousand rounds of ammunition for the needs of Russian fighters to protect against Ukrainian UAVs? Are you ready for a real adult conversation with an answer for every word? It seems that you are deviating from it because these rounds will be used to shoot down your Ukrainian Armed Forces drones.
      3. 0
        26 May 2025 15: 37
        The absence of high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs like those in the US speaks of the opposition of the fifth column.


        And this also shows that yesterday's black marketeers and speculators, who started the books "Dunno on the Moon", in principle, cannot create anything for the country and the people. It is not their nature. And they are also stupid. Very stupid. And they are constantly "cheated" by their "partners". For all 40 years, starting with the cretin Gorbachev, they have been deceived... And the electorate, with the persistence of patients in a psychiatric clinic, vote with their hearts for "socially responsible" capitalists and their direct proteges. And then this same population is surprised: "what's so bad?" Schizophrenics, no other way.
        1. +1
          26 May 2025 19: 51
          Quote: cast iron

          And this also shows that yesterday's black marketeers and speculators, who started the books "Dunno on the Moon", in principle, cannot create anything for the country and the people.

          That's the whole point, they are not creators, they are managers who have seized key positions in the state. And their task is not to create, but to "put a spoke in the wheel" of the creators, to slow down the development of Russia. You ask - why do they need this? It's simple - they pray to the West and the USA and they received the task precisely there - to slow down the development of Russia in every possible way. And their bank accounts there are regularly replenished
    3. 0
      25 May 2025 08: 37
      You've got it all wrong. These aren't spies, but career black marketeers. Full-time suitcase porters.
      1. +1
        25 May 2025 09: 33
        It is sad that the KGB Higher School recruited careerist black marketeers who were interested in nothing more than lining their pockets.
        1. +2
          25 May 2025 21: 05
          It is sad that the KGB Higher School recruited careerist black marketeers who were interested in nothing more than lining their pockets.
          Well, why weren't you interested? And what about the races on cool cars around Moscow a few years ago? They were organized by graduates of this godly organization, though.
          1. +2
            25 May 2025 23: 02
            Well, it’s clear that not everyone is interested in money itself, but in the goodies bought with it and the show-offs thrown with this money!
            By the way, I saw that procession from the window of my former job, I thought that they would probably tell me on the news who they were, since I was expecting some kind of Caucasian wedding, but a guy of Slavic appearance was sticking out of the hatch
            1. 0
              26 May 2025 09: 06
              but a Slavic-looking fellow was sticking out of the hatch
              With such comrades there is no need for enemies.
  3. +4
    24 May 2025 05: 36
    RQ-4 Global Hawk UAVs regularly “hang around” over the Black Sea and NATO countries

    In Finland, as a NATO country, the first FLIGHTS of the RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV began...now the Pentagon, with the help of the Finns, is scanning the territory of Leningrad, Kronstadt and other places deep in Russia in sufficient detail.
    Things are bad...the enemy's capabilities have increased, and ours have worsened.
  4. -1
    24 May 2025 06: 27
    RQ-4 Global Hawk reconnaissance UAVs regularly “hang around” over the Black Sea

    For strategic intelligence, the boundaries of application should be expanded to 400+ km from the physical state border. Especially during war! And if an intelligence officer violates the 400+ border, then this should be considered a fact of aggression.

    Do you think the US would allow an enemy reconnaissance drone to fly near its border? Especially if that reconnaissance drone was transmitting coordinates to someone who would then strike the US territory with strike weapons!
    1. +4
      24 May 2025 07: 51
      The Chinese aerostat showed clearly))))
    2. +2
      24 May 2025 12: 16
      Quote: Stas157
      For strategic intelligence officers, the boundaries of application should be expanded to 400+ km from the physical state border. Especially during war! And if an intelligence officer violates the 400+ border, then this should be considered an act of aggression.

      So our intelligence officers won't be allowed to fly over St. Petersburg or Murmansk? NATO will consider this an act of aggression.
      1. 0
        24 May 2025 12: 48
        Quote: Skif3216
        So our reconnaissance aircraft will not be allowed to fly over St. Petersburg or Murmansk?

        Do we have them, AWACS UAVs? We have a problem with airplanes.
  5. +2
    24 May 2025 11: 51
    The RQ-180 UAV has the highest aerodynamic perfection
    The term "Aerodynamic quality" is commonly used.
    Aerodynamic quality is a dimensionless parameter that characterizes the efficiency of an aerodynamic shape in generating lift relative to the drag it creates.
    The higher the aerodynamic quality, the more efficiently the wing or aircraft generates lift.
    High aerodynamic quality means that with less energy lost to drag, more lift is created, which is important for saving fuel and increasing flight range.
    Application:
    In aviation, lift-to-drag ratio is used to evaluate the efficiency of wings, gliders, drones, and other aircraft.
    Aerodynamic quality is a key indicator that determines how efficiently an aircraft uses aerodynamic forces to maintain flight with minimal energy expenditure.
    For example, a glider with a quality K=30 can fly 15 km, losing 500 m of altitude during this journey (15 / 0,5 = 30).
    Modern gliders have a maximum aerodynamic quality of approximately 35 to 60, depending on the model.
    1. +2
      24 May 2025 21: 16
      Well, the concept of aerodynamic quality could have been described much more simply.
      The aerodynamic quality number is equal to the horizontal gliding distance of an aircraft/glider with a loss of altitude (vertical) of 1 km.

      K = 12
      This means the glider will fly 12 km, losing only 1 km in altitude.
      K = 57
      This means the glider will fly 57 km, losing only 1 km in altitude.
      K = 4
      This means the glider will fly 4 km, losing only 1 km in altitude.
      etc.
  6. +4
    24 May 2025 11: 53
    I repeat: a strategic UAV needs its own satellite-repeater in geostationary orbit. Otherwise, the entire "strategy" of the UAV will be limited to 200 km of direct radio visibility (or, well, to carry out a flight according to a program not with transmission, but with recording of data).
    1. 0
      24 May 2025 13: 51
      What's wrong with Gazprom's satellite internet? Enough flying over Europe
    2. +2
      24 May 2025 15: 26
      Where are you going to send them, non-existent spies? To fly along the West Coast of the USA, to check the mansions of our officials and their children? Here they should at least start flying over their own country and look at their crazy neighbors...
      1. 0
        24 May 2025 16: 32
        Quote from alexoff
        At least we could start flying over our own country and looking at our crazy neighbors...
        What's strategic about that then? Regular intelligence officers are enough for that.
        1. +1
          24 May 2025 16: 57
          To look at a depth of 300-400 km. And if you fly over Crimea, Kursk and Belarus, then it will cover most of Sumeria.
          Quote: bk0010
          For this, ordinary scouts are enough.

          If only we had reconnaissance SIGINT or flying radars...
    3. +2
      24 May 2025 21: 21
      Well, as a last resort, you can use a relay plane.
      Or, a flying command post
      But in fact, yes - you need to have your own satellite constellation for communication/control
      This connection can be used for a soldier to transmit data about the enemy to the operation command (which is a couple of hundred kilometers from the contact line). It also allows a reconnaissance officer behind enemy lines to transmit data directly to the intelligence headquarters, located thousands of kilometers from the enemy. And it also allows you to control a drone in real time when the drone and the pilot are in two different corners of the planet.
      Having your own communications, data transmission and control area is a very useful and necessary tool.
      But you can't show off a satellite constellation at a parade, so they don't really develop it.
  7. 0
    24 May 2025 16: 45
    Quote: astepanov
    Quote: ximkim
    Everything is possible - the main thing is desire and ability

    No, the main thing is the availability of specialists, production facilities and financial resources. For how many years now we have been unable to develop a replacement for the "maize" aircraft, and look where you are aiming - strategic unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, powerful satellite reconnaissance groups... And Mr. Ataman has no capital. Mr. Ataman's buddies have capital, but it is all in foreign banks. And our aviation industry is eating its last horseradish without salt, for the second year not a single serial passenger aircraft has been sold to our own airlines - and this is the first time in a hundred years! And here you are telling fairy tales about an interplanetary chess congress.
    Just by the way: a relative from the Saratov region told how she and the old women emptied their cellars to send something tastier to the boys at the front, they even canned borscht in three-liter jars. And this relative herself has problems with electricity in her village, with water supply, there is no street lighting. And after all, under the "damned communists" all this existed.
    My wife, like a wind-up toy, knits and knits woolen warmers for amputees, and her friends knit hers too. And they keep asking for more and more, and there's no end in sight. People are helping the guys at the front as much as they can - but they can't build reconnaissance planes. That would require a lot of what was destroyed and stolen.
    Of course, it is not obvious from Moscow that the country is poor and falling further and further behind. In Moscow, Sobyanin builds and builds the metro like a clockwork, evil tongues joke that they are building the Teply Stan - Tajikistan-Pakistan line. Sobyanin is a good man, but Moscow is not all of Russia. And people live outside the Moscow Ring Road, too.
    I understand that I have gone off topic, but over the last three decades I have become so sick that I have no strength left. And this whole war is also the result of betrayal of the people by the elites who went for the Belovezhskaya conspiracy and divided the country as if it were a slaughtered pig.

    A lot of things happened under the "damned communists".
    I will never forget Samara - everything that worked for aviation and space, everything destroyed.
    And those up there have no desire or opportunity to create or restore all of this anew.
  8. +2
    24 May 2025 21: 25
    In general, a high-altitude (more than 15 km) unmanned reconnaissance aircraft is a very useful and multifunctional thing. If we create an analogue of the RQ-4 but with the ability to fly like the Dragon Lady (20-22 km), we will be able to conduct reconnaissance to a depth of hundreds of kilometers beyond the border and the line of contact with the enemy. And by changing the equipment sets, you can find a lot of useful things. Air defense positions, troop movement columns, command centers, enemy equipment and infantry concentrations, field military power plants, field airfields, etc.
    And in combination with low-orbit, compact reconnaissance satellites, it will allow it to quickly and efficiently find the enemy’s potential weak and strong points.
  9. +2
    24 May 2025 21: 41
    Unfortunately, all this is bullshit.
    They have it, we don't.
    And the only one is unclear what kind, but large, a UAV from Korea...
    oh, they just won't give it to us, because a) there's only one of them 2) it's in Korean...